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After years of having his case hung up in federal courts, Abu Zubaydah could finally be given the opportunity to tell his story.

The Supreme Court is currently hearing the cause of United States v. Abu Zubaydah, which deals with the largely known details of a Palestinian man who was captured in Pakistan by the CIA and tortured in a barbaric fashion.

In 2002, Zubaydah, a veteran who previously fought the Soviets in Afghanistan, was shot and transferred to the CIA. It is believed that he was transported to CIA black sites, referred to colloquially as “dungeons,” in Poland, Thailand, and other countries, where he was subjected to crimes against humanity.

Zubaydah, who the CIA has admitted played no role in Al Qaeda, has been held in a secret facility within the Guantanomo Bay prison camp. The federal government has admitted that they cannot prosecute the man for any crimes, yet he has been held and cut off from the outside world (with the exception of his lawyers) as an “enemy combatant,” which many suspect is due to fear that he may go public with his story.

According to a brief filed with the Supreme Court, Zubaydah was waterboarded at least 83 separate times in one month, had his head repeatedly smashed against the wall, and was sleep deprived for 11 consecutive days.

Additionally, he was stripped naked and hung from hooks and stuffed into a small box for hours. The disturbing practice of “rectal hydration,” where prisoners are essentially sodomized, was also utilized.

In a 2014 Senate investigation regarding the practice, CIA torturers were exposed as using “rectal feeding” — which experts have held has no medical or physiological use — as a means to sadistically rape men by grinding up food from their lunch trays and forcing it up their rectums.

Zubaydah lost his left eye and received brain damage during his brutalization at the hands of the CIA.

Zubaydah’s attorneys have for years been battling the government to subpoena and force testimony from the two CIA psychologists who developed the torture program, James Elmer Mitchell and John “Bruce” Jessen, who so far have been able to invoke the “state’s secrets” rule to keep the atrocities they oversaw from the public eye. The two men were paid over \$80 million dollars to develop experimental torture techniques intended to force prisoners to “collaborate.”

While the CIA’s network of torture dungeons, including the Polish facility where Zubaydah says he was abused, have been acknowledged in court cases in Europe and by Poland’s own government, the Biden administration is fighting tooth and nail to prevent Mitchell and Jessen from being forced to publicly testify under oath.

In a moment that shocked Biden administration lawyers during a hearing last week, three Supreme Court justices asked if Zubaydah would be able to testify to his torment. The victim’s attorneys stated that their client was being held incommunicado in America’s prison camp in Cuba and was not allowed to. The lawyers representing the US government did not have a proper response for why Zubaydah could not testify and promised to have an answer at a later date.

Though disturbing information regarding the CIA’s torture program is public, it is widely believed that the full extent of the savagery is still a closely guarded secret.

If the Supreme Court rules against the state secrets doctrine and forces the CIA to hand over privileged documents regarding their torture program, this could provide information that would allow the world to see the United States in a whole new different light.

Zubaydah’s testimony could also be a game-changer. So far, he has only been able to provide disturbing drawings of what he endured and witnessed to his legal team, which have been used in court arguments, such as the one below.

(Republished from National Justice by permission of author or representative)
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  1. Anonymous[121] • Disclaimer says:

    Pakistan’s fault, they should have known better than to trust the CIA at their word and help hand this guy over. Don’t really expect much out of the CIA, par for the course of you read about what they were involved with in South America.

    Prediction: nobody will lose a job or paycheck over this and the sociopaths involved probably won’t lose any sleep.

  2. roonaldo says:

    President Biden, when asked about Zubaydah’s case exclaimed, “Are you kidding me! Hunter’s laptop videos gimme more of a hard-on than Zubaydah’s.”

    Kamala Harris cackled, “I wish I’d known those CIA techniques when I was humpin’ Willie Brown!”

    Obama noted–“Those Zubaydah clips are real artsy-shmartsy.”

    Hillary Clinton said she “Had a ball givin’ him those rectal feedings!”

  3. If I recall correctly, the whole issue of using torture to interrogate prisoners came up — and, surprise of surprises, the israeli government volunteered to torture Palestinians and other Arabs for US … for a large fee, of course.

    Just showing that their hearts were in the right place and all …

    • Agree: Tjoe, Iris
    • Replies: @anon
  4. And the US wonders why it has been deleted from world history.

    • Agree: Iris
  5. “”….Causes Biden Administration to Tremble””

    right. because certainly the republicans who were in charge in 2002 when this occurred will never be held to account.

    • Agree: profnasty
    • Replies: @profnasty
  6. Jiminy says:

    What the hell has America become?
    Not bad those drawings though. It’s hard getting the perspective right with only one eye.

    • Replies: @Fr. John
  7. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Torture? I thought it was “enhanced interrogation”. That’s what they called it, anyway. The US govt apparently has a category of employees on its payroll who are torturers. Wonder what the official cover job title is. There must be a school where people get training for this sort of thing, a rather grisly idea but it must be a reality. It didn’t just start recently, the US being involved in this for a long time. There was the Dan Mitrione case back in ’70 where torture techniques were being taught and practiced. Yep, they hate us for our freedoms so just torture them in return.

    • Replies: @zendeviant
    , @showmethereal
  8. This picture tells a thousand stories.

    Then there is the horrific treatment of Jan 6th prisoners, and other patriots held in super max detention. The ongoing psychological torture of Assange.

    Any moral authority America once had is long gone. Its a criminal nation.

  9. It’s sickening and scary…they will want to use these techniques on US whites… if they are not already. All the same goals could have been achieved humanely by NOT ACCEPTING IMMIGRANTS FROM MIDDLEEASTERN COUNTRIES. Or any nonEuropean country.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  10. Exile says:

    Imagine the U.S. government’s reaction to Russia or China doing this to a prisoner.

    Can the CIA tell us what vital information it is seeking in torturing this guy for this long? Can they point to one life saved in their entire torture program since 9/11?

    “Those are secrets, citizen – just trust us.”

    We don’t. These organizations have burned through all the public trust and goodwill they ever had decades ago.

  11. “Rectal hydration”while being waterboarded is rather emblematic of the CIA. A self-defeating perversion which has become commonplace, these days.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  12. I don’t know anything about that man until now, and I don’t trust Muslims to be fair to us for a minute if they gain the upper hand in a society.

    But if the CIA can do this to him, they can do it to us. And they will gladly do so. God bless this man and save him and the other prisoners from further agony and terror.

    THIS IS NOT MY GOVERNMENT. I AM SORRY. They do not represent us; they rule us.

    Abolish the CIA and FBI and let us fully defend our families, homes, schools, businesses, neighborhoods … and national borders on our own. We’d be better off, as would victims like this man who has become an object of amusement for devils wearing “my” country’s uniforms (or suits).

  13. @Bruce Arney

    Gotta wonder about the manhood, the sexuality, as well as the sanity, of “men” doing this to other men.

    As much as I fear divine punishment for my own sins if there is a Hell, this makes me hope anew that there is such a place or state of being.

    Better, though, if we could find a way to take this most terrifying vicious kind of hatred, torture for sport, out of the hearts of all men. I guess not.

    • Thanks: jim bob beers
  14. Trinity says:

    Good lawd, what kind of demented freak do you need to be to work for the CIA? I remember how as a naive young adult of late teens to early 20s I used to respect titles like CIA, FBI, General so and so, Senator so and so, and then you find out the truth. Talk about a wake up call. IF another citizen were to do this to another citizen, the perpetrator would be locked up ASAP unless of course they were a Kennedy, a Clinton, or some Jew movie producer like Roman Polanski.


  15. Al Kayder says:

    Hi Striker,

    You might not like this message. But hear me out for a second. The most important task white nationalists have is not fighting jews, or blacks, or mexicans.

    The most important task of white nationalism is destroying the white/jewish alliance. None of the shit jews do would ever have happened without white support.

    if you think about this seriously you know i am right.

  16. Rabbi Stanton, the new Barbara Lerner Specter, tells the congregation why the regime comes down hard on Whites, and why the Charlottesville UTR demonstration was a call to action:

    You needn’t look farther to explain where we are today.

  17. @RadicalCenter

    I prefer the term “costumes”…lol

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
  18. anon[303] • Disclaimer says:

    This is big. CIA’s going to put the laser dots back on Roberts’ head, but even the bribed and blackmailed hacks of the Supreme Court know that judges got tried at Nuremberg. Because the question here is the demonstrated crime against humanity of systematic and widespread torture. Crimes against humanity is a term of art that means stuff Nazis do. And US responsibility for torture is the consensus of the whole world. Treaty bodies, charter bodies, and special procedures have converged on this grave US crime as a matter of highest urgency. You will never ever hear about this but you can watch the screws tighten on Burns’ nuts here:

    The universal jurisdiction law of torture is the most tightly drafted part of jus cogens. The US is bound by the customary international law of UDHR Article 5, the only absolute prohibition in an instrument that’s requisite for sovereignty. The US is bound by ICCPR Article 7. And the US is bound by the Convention Against Torture. Every CIA torture coward is an enemy of all humanity, a fugitive in universal jurisdiction with no statute of limitations. Without prosecution or extradition of CIA torture cowards, R2P applies.

    The CIA regime will lose all influence as their military power shrivels up like Bolton’s dick at a Plato’s Retreat reunion. De’Andrea has paid his debt to society, NYEEaumm ka-FOOM. That’s what happens to torture cowards. Remember Dan Mitrione? The CIA regime will ultimately be forced to throw a series of virgins into the volcano. But who’s first? I vote for Alfreda! Then Gina!!! Let the psychocunts grovel in tearful remorse in the dock. That’s why these dumb cunts got their jobs, as ablatives for the highest levels of government, the DO SIS dead-enders. We’ll get to them, be patient.

    CIA’s programme of torture was carried out in pursuit of illegal war propaganda: to torture a false casus belli out of random muzzies. So it is the first step to prosecuting CIA’s crimes against peace, the highest crime of all. Command responsibility for this crime resides with CIA. That’s because the people in charge are the people who can torture you to death and get away with it. That’s CIA.

    You want to know why CIA is going to start and lose a war with the SCO? That’s the only way they can keep their impunity going. They have to roll out a state of exception to stay in power at home. CIA’s only chance is to get this war over and lose it, then hide behind their nukes.

  19. Trinity says:


    Cue: Ain’t Gonna Bump No More ( With No Big Fat Woman) by Joe Tex

  20. Phibbs says:

    When the white, Christian patriots rise up, they should collect the all F.B.I. and C.I.A. terrorists they can find and hang every single one of them. The bodies of these terrorists and murderers will be placed in toxic waste drums and placed with radioactive barrels underground in the Utah desert.

  21. Anon[406] • Disclaimer says:

    Biden was a Senator in 2002. He and his administration are not responsible for what happened. Neither is Obama or Trump

    • Replies: @brostoevsky
    , @mocissepvis
  22. @Happy Tapir

    ‘…All the same goals could have been achieved humanely by NOT ACCEPTING IMMIGRANTS FROM MIDDLEEASTERN COUNTRIES. Or any nonEuropean country.’

    How would that have led to our not supporting Israel?

    • Replies: @Happy Tapir
  23. anon[198] • Disclaimer says:

    Phibbs, if White Christian patriots hog all the fun they’ll give up a lot of enthusiastic expert help. Everybody hates those scumbags.

    • Troll: Trinity
    • Replies: @Trinity
  24. Trinity says:

    Yeah the Jews hate them as well. Nice try, troll.

  25. Anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:

    The U.S. needs to butt out and let the various Sand Peoples sort thing out on their own.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  26. smetana says:

    Commenter ‘Phibbs’ consistently advocates illegal actions here at Unz Comments.

    He’s a Fed or else he’s a submoron. Either way, perma-ban him.

  27. anon[740] • Disclaimer says:

    Yeah, Phibbs, as Hezbollah would say, “Show us what you can do.”

    We presume you’re a harmless fabulist but we are charmed by your imagination.

  28. @Colin Wright

    Granted, but we wouldn’t need to resort to extraordinary methods to prevent domestic terrorist attacks if they couldn’t come into our country. Or the interrogators would not have that excuse, at least. But obviously someone wants all this to be the case.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  29. @Happy Tapir

    ‘Granted, but we wouldn’t need to resort to extraordinary methods to prevent domestic terrorist attacks if they couldn’t come into our country. Or the interrogators would not have that excuse, at least. But obviously someone wants all this to be the case.’

    You’re right — but the cat’s out of the bag now.

    They may have developed these techniques on Muslims — but they’re using them on us now. Not the torture — so far — but the entrapment, the paid informants, the whole net that in the end has the effect of suppressing dissent, of forcing the acceptance of whatever measures they wish to impose.

    Those pathetic clowns who were baited into ‘plotting’ to kidnap the governess of Michigan: they weren’t immigrants. Keeping out immigrants is a good idea in any case — but it won’t get us back our freedom.

    • Replies: @Happy Tapir
  30. @Colin Wright

    “…not the torture…”

    Yeah, how do you know that?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  31. Torturing prisoners this way served no intelligence gathering purpose. It is more like the infamous Imperial Japanese Army Unit 731, who conducted lethal experiments on human beings, or North Korea murdering young college student Otto Warmbier.

    This CIA torture program was and is a crime against humanity, for which individuals have to be held to account.

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
  32. @Happy Tapir

    ‘Yeah, how do you know that?’

    Oh, I don’t. But it would hardly weaken my argument if it were happening.

  33. Jameson says:

    If Western Civilization wanted to survive, which clearly it does not, it would be impaling Muslim bad actors such as this guy, in the spirit of Vlad the Impaler. Such treatment would get the point across to the Muslims, don’t F with the West. Instead they carefully blended his Halal meal and stuffed it up his bum. So pathetic.

  34. Anon[385] • Disclaimer says:

    On March 13, 2018, President Donald Trump The Golem announced he would nominate Gina Haspel to be the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, replacing Mike Pompeo ….

  35. @beavertales

    jewmerica NEVER had any kind of moral authority, at least after 1800 or something. It has been always a criminal nation, jewish golem war machine which has destroyed the entire planet. It is arguably the worst nation ever existed in history.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Thanks: Trinity
  36. BorisMay says:

    Torture was used in Elizabethan England and even then was recognised as a useless method of getting information.
    Galtieri in 1970s Argentina used US torture techniques and got absolutely nowhere in discovering who, what and why his opponents were so successful in undermining his authority.
    Torturers only torture because they enjoy the power to humiliate. Torture is the only pleasure a psychopath has in life.
    Thus the US, Israel and everyone who uses torture are psychopaths trying to bring meaning to their banal, stupid and pointless existences.
    Essentially the US is banal, stupid and pointless and to prove it the CIA set up dungeons around the world to torture people whose lives had meaning, compassion and direction.
    The US is past its sell by date and needs to be put in the dustbin of history. The US is only an extrapolation of the equally vacuous UK and utterly pointless British Empire. You only need to read George Orwell on British torture techniques and the psychopaths that promoted torture to understand where the US came from.
    Sad how pathetic the rich and powerful are.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride, HdC, Iris, Biff
  37. Nancy says:
    @Al Kayder

    Agree, AK… but everyone has their price. For some, most of us?, it is pretty cheap, and Termites have all the gold. They bought the Vatican long ago. (Remember, Christ drove the ‘money changers’, i.e., cheats, out of the temple, and correctly named the Phairsees the Synagogue of Satan… any ‘Christians’ willing to name them today? Other than E. Michael Jones, of course 🙂

  38. TKK says:

    I have a fellow lawyer acquittance who took a Pakistani father and son’s case pro bono in 2006. They were being held in Cuba- Guantanomo Bay.

    You have two camps: lawyers who say it is the Marriott down there, and those who say it is inhumane. This lawyer was neither. He simply loves practicing law and is originally from hard scrabble Oklahoma. He is one of those unicorns who actually likes being a lawyer. Reads Law Review articles on the plane.

    He plugged along for years- for free- for these two men. Their extended family sent him gifts and also sent him paying clients.

    All along, he trusted the system. This fellow is the opposite of a red pilled conspiracy theorist paranoid. But, he started rattling cages when no charges were filed by 2011-2012. Getting actually mad about their treatment. At least produce some evidence they ARE/WERE enemy combatants.

    Next thing he knows, his IOLTA account is audited. Small errors are magnified. Two deranged former family law clients filed Bar complaints years after their cases were closed out. He was kicked off the Appellate Committee of the Bar, where he spent long hours writing outlines for new lawyers detailing how to file appeals. Responding to these disciplinary hearings took up considerable time and money.


    • Thanks: Bombercommand
  39. RobinG says:

    It’s the “white, Christian patriots” who are responsible for all this

    like the Dulles brothers and Ike
    and Charlie Wilson. and Zbig and Carter
    and GHW Bush,
    Clinton and PNAC (they weren’t all Jews)

    and see comment #15 above

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Troll: Trinity
    • Replies: @Robjil
  40. I think this is when the Supreme Court finally rules that anally raping a male is no crime, as it only “enriches” the subject and cures him of “homophobia”. Like cancer, liberal ideology is “progressive”, which means it never stops getting worse. First being a sodomite was illegal and punished; then it was illegal, but the law was not enforced; then it was no longer illegal, but socially stigmatized; then it became socially acceptable; then it became encouraged. The obvious next step: being a sodomite becomes mandatory. This also fits into the larger liberal tendency of making everything either banned or mandatory, and it’s always the good things that are banned while the bad ones become mandatory—for instance, the deadly and useless “covid” “vaccines” are mandatory, while harmless, effective Ivermectin is banned.

    The decisive factor, however, is that Jews want every goyish male to take it in the ass as punishment for not stopping the Holocaust ®, and in the US of A Jews always get their way. Sodomy will definitely become mandatory. As with the “vaccine” mandates—another form of non-consensual penetration of one’s body—if you don’t do it you will be made into a pariah and deemed a “homophobe”. You will not be able to attend school or get a job. Eventually, you will be killed because, after all, “homophobia” is murder.

    Or you can leave this hellish dystopia for a saner country, like Russia, China, or Mexico. If you choose to stay, stock up on the lube.

  41. @Jameson

    Christian warriors might impale Muslim aggressors, but “the West” is “enlightened”. Its entire identity revolves around not believing in God and not impaling alien aggressors. “The West” will fall and deservedly so.

    Just to be clear: I have no opinion on the individual featured in this article. Maybe he really is a bad actor who deserves gruesome punishment, but I don’t trust ZOG’s word on this or anything else; anyone who does is a fool. Moreover, some the Muslim enemies of the US government, such as Iran and the Taliban are much more deserving of sympathy and respect than ZOG or the individuals who serve it.

    • Replies: @Jameson
  42. Ghali says:

    I have always said, the CIA is the biggest, most sophisticated criminal terrorist organization on the planet. No other terrorist organization comes closer, maybe the Israeli Mossad.

  43. Anonymous[833] • Disclaimer says:

    “Funny thing,” we prosecuted numerous functionaries of the Third Reich for alleged war crimes, some serious, many rather less heinous. Seventy-five years later the victors of that conflict are still prosecuting file clerks and janitors who merely worked on the premises.

    I seem to recall them teaching me in school, way back in the 50’s, that the American Constitution did away will the possibility that such sadistic and barbaric acts could ever be administered against anyone in this great, punctiliously moral and free country, full of its exceptional rights and freedoms, not even against the “bad guys” who would do such dirty deeds against our own.

    Kings, Arch-Dukes and Lord High Inquisitors might still imprison without charge, starve, torture and kill their captives with impunity, but American presidents would never oversee such barbarity, because our country represented the “new order for the ages,” the “Novus Ordo Seclorum.” We would practice this moral code to a fare-thee-well and flaunt our superiority to the entire planet as both an example and a warning to all others.

    Such bunk was endlessly reiterated in an effluvia of heroic movies of the day glorifying our courage and moral rectitude in the struggle we purportedly led against “evil” at the behest of all who were “good” in the world. “Leaders of the Free World” we pronounced ourselves without a hint of deceit or irony, as long as reality remained obscured behind a veil of top secret “classifications” by the spawn of Satan otherwise known as the American intelligence establishment, kindred spirits to the Stasi, Savak, Mossad, KGB, MI5 and other faithful children of the Sicherheitsdienst (Aka the SD), Hitler’s prototype for the CIA.

    Now these devils are given license not only to surveil without limit, capture, detain and abuse whatever foreign national they may fancy (in a process known as “rendition,” no doubt implying some similarity to extracting, i.e., rendering, fat from a dead carcass at high temperature), but they are empowered now by simple decree of the U.S. president to nab and even kill any American or Western ally they wish to target. The sad fates of Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden and Julian Assange have made it quite clear that the Bill of Rights is a dead issue even for Americans or the citizens of our most favored vassal states. In other words, nobody has rights any longer unless explicitly granted such by the nominal president of this former democratic republic. Henceforth, in any siege situation with American police or the American military you will, without exception, be shot dead or incarcerated for life in an invariable sequence of events. Just think of it as streamlining government to meet the challenges of the modern world. Uh, they’ll also want you to thank them.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  44. @beavertales

    How disgusting is it that Jews were allowed to take Anglo surnames like “Stanton” in order to pose as Christians when convenient? I guess that was more “enlightened” freedom of speech from “our democracy”.

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  45. Muttmerica, nation of satanic subhumans. God is now allowing the devil to unleash his globohomo demons uppn these human trashes. 1945 payback, bitches!
    Max the spics, the moslems and the negroes consume you all.

  46. @Anonymous

    Probably this guy was a first-hand witness to the death of Osama bin Laden in the caves of Afghanistan, or to some such incident that will blow the cover off the “War” on Terror.

  47. @anonymous

    It’s called “School of the Americas”–maybe rebranded now. A shameful, disgusting reality.

    • Replies: @Ace
  48. This is your Zionist-jewish country, Americans.

    Interesting to see Americans here cheering on their own barbarity.

  49. padre says:

    Yeah, and his, what was he doing in Pakistan, when there are so many better places to be!

    • Replies: @cohen
  50. smert says:

    “the state always reflects the values and desires of its people” E Durkheim
    most recent IPSOS study—only 15% of amerikans moral enough to believe torture never justified
    their peculiar cult, sensitivity training, has failed to train none of them how to feel

  51. Schuetze says:

    These are merely the same tactics used by the “Ritchie Boys” to extract fake confessions from Germans before and during the “Nuremberg” proceedings. The US has a long, sordid history of war crimes including torture and bombing of civilians, or as the US tranny army calls it today, “Collateral Damage”.

    “Following reports that defendants were tortured at the Malmedy massacre trial, the US Army formed the “Simpson Commission” to investigate the alleged misconduct. Judge Edward L. Van Roden was part of this commission. According to Van Roden’s book, American Atrocities in Germany, out of 139 cases of treatment of alleged German “war criminals” who were investigated by the commission ”and who were subsequently put on trial by the American Military Tribunal in Dachau after World War II ”

    137 of these Germans were tortured by having their testicles crushed.”

    “Ritchie Boy begins to interrogate German prisoners”

    • Agree: HdC
    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @cohen
    , @HdC
    , @JackOH
    , @lee
  52. Jameson says:
    @Ray Caruso

    The overall main point that overrides all else is simply that the West must keep Islam out of the West or the West will be destroyed. If we have total separation from Islam it makes it much easier to deal with it. We can ignore it, to the extent it does not impact us, or we could use absolute full force, the likes of which the world has never seen, using nuclear devices to destroy vast areas, with zero effort made after to rebuild. We are playing with fire bringing Islam into the West, and most naively think that it will be different here, our civilization won’t be destroyed like all of the other civilizations were that Islam spread in. My guess is that after the West becomes third world, then Islamic, it will be the Chinese who take care of the problem. Notice all the hand wringing in the West over their treatment of the Muslims in their land. God of the Bible has a sense of humor, and he is allowing the West, who have rejected Him, to reap the whirlwind. As for the Jews, it is a problem that they strangely support the spread of Islam in the West. The Muslims are already driving the Jews out of Europe. The Muslims are in Europe to finish the job Hitler started.

  53. Ace says:

    This guy really, really hates white people.

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  54. Ace says:

    The SOTA trained police officers. It’s taken as a given that torture was an integral part of that training but I’ve never seen that proven.

    I never understood that fighting leftist scum in South and Central America was a natural career choice for ex-choir boys and drama majors. My own training at Ft. Bragg and elsewhere was focused on killing our enemies but torture was never part of the curriculum.

    Not my issue but the School of the Americas became theschooliftheamericas in modern American leftist mythology, just like all we’ve ever heard since Sen. McCarthy has been “excesses” of the “Red Scare.” And how mean he was when he was on the HCUA. QE bleeping D.

  55. onebornfree says: • Website

    “Though disturbing information regarding the CIA’s torture program is public, it is widely believed that the full extent of the savagery is still a closely guarded secret.”

    “If the Supreme Court rules against the state secrets doctrine and forces the CIA to hand over privileged documents regarding their torture program, this could provide information that would allow the world to see the United States in a whole new different light.”

    Anyone who genuinely believes that “the full extent of the savagery ” of CIA torture will ever be revealed is “a cup and saucer shy of a full set”, in my estimation.

    Likewise, for anyone who truly believes that the bought and paid for Supreme Court is ever going to make decisions that would have a negative effect on the CIA.

    This “just” in:

    1) the CIA is a wholly criminal subset of a larger criminal org., the US government- itself a wholly criminal org.:

    2) “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    3) “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock

    Solution? :

    the CIA is unconstitutional. Abolish the CIA, and 10s if 1000s of other entirely criminal, entirely unconstitutional federal agencies , and cut the federal government back down to its original constitutional limitations, THEN KEEP IT THERE!

    This would not be a perfect solution. I’m an anarcho- capitalist(ie “voluntarist”), and so the solution offered is far from perfect, but at least it’s a step in the right direction (I.e. no government) , I.e. towards a far smaller, far less intrusive, far less powerful, central government.

    That much smaller federal government would still be 100% criminal (see quotes (2) and (3) above), but at least temporarily far less able to interfere in the lives of citizens worldwide.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Avery
  56. gotmituns says:

    Our SCOTUSis a joke anymore. Even the so-called “conservatives” on the court are radical leftists.

    • Replies: @Orville H. Larson
  57. cohen says:

    Very intelligent question? What was this guy doing in Pakistan.
    Dumb Answer! Probably looking for Israeli agents disguised as US Citizen in intelligence agencies and State Departments.

    You can also ask your Saudi friends (the Barbarians despite their wealth and glamour) and their friend of trucial states who funded his travel.

  58. Ian Smith says:

    I’d like to think things have changed, but in the W. years it was white Christian patriots who were cheering this stuff on!

  59. geokat62 says:

    The overall main point that overrides all else is simply that the West must keep Islam out of the West or the West will be destroyed. If we have total separation from Islam it makes it much easier to deal with it.


    One word substitution and you would’ve been bang on:

    The overall main point that overrides all else is simply that the West must keep Zionism out of the West or the West will be destroyed. If we have total separation from Zionism it makes it much easier to deal with it.

    • Replies: @Jameson
  60. cohen says:

    And dont forget torching 60 German cities by unstoppable bombing and incinerating live civilians during the good war. According to new documents the attacks on German civilians were made long before. It was Churchill who initiated civilians bombing against the advice of his military officers.

    The Germans are afraid and to talk about such “heroic”bombing especially of Dresden.
    The Berlin library has all the records of WWII. After all this Covid BS is over that would be my next project to visit the library.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  61. Robjil says:

    All these people were flunkies since 12.23.1913.

    The power above these flunkies are the real deal – the FED and western MSM.

    Who is in control of both? The Top people are the most responsible.

    MSM’s control of free speech is the main problem of this planet.

    MSM’s only true fear is freedom of speech. Everything else is fluff to it.

    Blaming any one but the real people at the Top is OK with our rulers. It has worked like a charm since

    WWI happened soon after that date. Bolshevik Revolution, WWII, Nine Eleven, and now Covid.

  62. Jihadijew says:
    @Al Kayder

    Here is how the Israeli General, prime minister, and freedom fighter died in his bed.

    If not doctored the video should be a guidance for war lovers.

    Perhaps there is some justice in Lord’s court

  63. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    ISIS- K if had a state,it would be Pakistan, Bulgaria, Thailand,Nigeria offerring services and even anticipating whats needed and how to stay ready like a Pavlovian dog. Dogs are getting old. USA badly needs new charecters. ISIS is ready to serve UK- USA’s needs.

    By the way,did CIA invent or did it learn from Israel?

  64. Fred777 says:

    Are the people of Thailand and Poland upset that their government has made them a potential target reprisals?

  65. TGD says:

    If there is a culprit in the CIA torture and rape allegations, it’s the US Congress. Every year they vote in a bipartisan way for the “National Intelligence Program” budget, which is at least \$80 billion. How much is allocated to the CIA is not known. The US Congress is tasked with overseeing what goes on with the CIA but in actuality the CIA does what it wants without political interference.

  66. There is no way the SC will rule in favor of this guy. After their pro CIA ruling, torture will be permissible in the US. It’s how the deep state game works. Then the feds will really get serious about going after white working class America, the unvaccinated, and whoever else our overlords don’t like.

  67. Trinity says:

    While I find this story disgusting and I am embarrassed by it, I figured it would bring out the muh I Murica types. Glad in an earlier post that I declared that America AND THE WORLD were run by sick, sick freaks. It isn’t as if Jew run America has any special hold on evil against other humans. I would venture to say that this world has become so sick that 65-75% of the population would probably treat another human inhumanely if they were in position or had the power to do so. GUARANTEED. Take a look at some of these comments or look at all the crazy comments that one sees on the internet each day. And think about what is going on inside the average freak’s head out there?

  68. gte757n says: • Website

    Just how independent is the CIA ? ?

    Is there any oversight or control over the CIA, DOJ, FBI, DHS, DEA, etc. ?

  69. Jameson says:

    Very much have to disagree. Take a look at the number of Nobel Prizes won by Christians and Jews vs. Muslims (about two or three and that includes Arafat). The Jews, whatever problems anyone may have with them, and the hate goes all the way back to the Bible, it is nothing new, are productive members of society. The Christians need to be of their own will and not let any supposed Jewish goals interfere with saving Western Civilization. Even just in politics it is insane the way most Jews support the Democrats. There are many things that are not understandable. But believing that Jews are a bigger problem than Muslims is total abject insanity.

    Jews in Israel are the canary in the coal mine, should be a warning to the West, that you cannot peacefully coexist with Islam, but instead many in the West blame Israel for the troubles there. The problem is Islam.

    • Disagree: HdC
    • Troll: Justrambling
    • Replies: @geokat62
  70. Ross23 says:

    This is old news and any revelations will simply be drowned out by by the MSM with the usual distractions like evil Trump, white privilege or the latest from the celeb world.

    Those who were interested already know, those who are brain dead zombies are not interested.

  71. @Al Kayder

    Interesting point. I never looked at it that way. Such a small group of people holding so much power over a larger group to their detriment. It’s a shame and embarrassment. My ancestors were Vikings. Brave, ingenious and proud. Now all of us are cucked.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  72. @Anon

    All of the above presidents were and are a joke. But you’re right in a way as the FBI, CIA and NSA are a government unto themselves, not accountable to anyone including he US government. The alphabet soup boys are a bad group of nasties.

  73. @Anonymous

    The UK/US empire kicks ‘allies’ to the curb with dizzying regularity. Saddam Hussein was useful one way. Then became useful another. Tony Blair brougth Quaddafi in from the cold. Then Hillary had him murdered and wrecked the country. I think that ‘Panamanian Strongman” is still incommunicado for life. He was useful to help CIA smuggle cocaine until they needed a dummy to kick around and test out exotic weapons on civilians. Blinken flies off to Tajikistan to look for air bases to run ISIS K missions from and wisely they said no. This series of puppets in Ukraine will be stabbed in the back. They’re set up for it from go. They’re Nazis who relish in playing Waffen SS volunteers from WW2. Easiest people in the world to target. “Oh hey! it’s come to our attention that there are anti-semites in the Ukrainian government.” And then it’s all over for Azov Battalion. They should enjoy their very brief time acting as guarentors of Anglo-American domination until such time as they are needed as a foil in a pysch-op.
    Dance with the devil and you will come to regret it.

    • Replies: @Dingo bay rum
  74. Just a few everday normal events for Palestinians in their own country.
    Palestinians are required to demolish their own homes, or the municipality will demolish it then send them a bill.
    As for people picking their olive harvest …

    These Russian etc Jew invaders are your rulers, America.
    Perhaps you thought it was your Congress/Senate etc …. ?

    In June, Israeli forces and settlers raided the Bedouin village of al-Araqib in the Negev region with bulldozers and destroyed every single Palestinian house.

    Kisan – some 18km (11 miles) south of Bethlehem – is surrounded by several illegal Israeli settlements and outposts, including Ma’ale Amos, Mizpe Shalem and Abei Hanahal, constructed on large tracts of private land expropriated from Palestinian owners.

    Attacking children on their way to school … four on one knife attacks …
    Those Jews are real heroes.
    That’s why America keeps on funding them

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  75. HT says:

    More proof that the Jewocracy has been running our government longer than we thought.

  76. Bookish1 says:

    So does his congregation and most other jews.

  77. Bookish1 says:

    what that jew is talking about is war with white people. Whites better wake up and get ready.

  78. Bookish1 says:
    @Ray Caruso

    that is why it was always important to identify jews with things like yellow stars and other required identifying emblems.

    • Thanks: HT
    • Replies: @Jameson
  79. Maddaugh says:

    Zubba Dubba Doo was not anally raped. He had his eye plucked out and was skull fucked. Call me cynical but he only took it in one eye and seems none the worse for the act. He looks even more handsome.

    In all fairness he should be given \$70M ( ie George Floyd x 2) and US citizenship. In this way he could apply for immigrant status for all his wives and his hundreds of direct and indirect relatives scattered all over the ME.

    This is only fair and I believe Yabba Dabba Zabba would feel adequately compensated for his debasement and abuse.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  80. anon[147] • Disclaimer says:

    Wikileaks was quoted few days ago favorably by BBC regarding corruption in a 3rd country . It suited BBC .It did. One time it suited Trump and some guys in Fox .They oozed out of some orifices .But then soon their holes ran dry.
    Wikileaks did what this guy can’t .Wikileaks exposed the fantasies , works and the imaginations that even a raw putrid flesh consuming child rapist murderer can’t picture .

    Can Assange lawyer rake up he testimonies and exposures by Snwoden / Wikileaks and of Guantanamo detainees to prevent extradition to USA ?

  81. Maddaugh says:

    Supreme Court Hearings On Palestinian Man Anally Raped and Hung from Hooks By CIA Causes Biden Administration to Tremble


    Breaking News: Biden has been trembling for a number of years !

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  82. rgl says:


    Yes, yes it is your government. You may not have voted for Biden, you may not have even voted at all, however the fact remains that this government was elected, and sworn by Americans. Perhaps not *for* Americans, but by Americans nonetheless.

    The crimes committed by the USA are enabled by the people who put the criminals in power – the electors.

    • Agree: RobinG
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  83. “…the two CIA psychologists who developed the torture program, James Elmer Mitchell and John “Bruce” Jessen, who so far have been able to invoke the “state’s secrets” rule to keep the atrocities they oversaw from the public eye. The two men were paid over \$80 million dollars to develop experimental torture…”

    You don’t need to pay eighty million dollars to those two sick bastards, just go to Chelsea in Manhattan and to find the needed perverts to anally rape prisoners.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  84. Maddaugh says:

    I agree with you. It must be wonderful to be innocent and look at this world through the eyes of a child. The game of conflict, direct or not, is a zero sum affair. The US and other Western countries award prizes for second place but no other country does.

    These people, whether their cause is just or not, need to think before they join up because if captured, everyone except Alice in Wonderland knows there is no such thing as mercy. Here in the US, we moan and groan about the southern border and berate Israel their draconian border control. One cannot have it both ways.

    This Palestinian enrolled in the battle and thought what ? That if caught he was going to be accommodated in the Presidential Suite at the Hilton ? Hookers, room service, a chauffeur, bubble baths ? People need to always remember Once these fellows get the upper hand in the West (and many of them already have) they will be no different.

    I dont really care whether what he got up the blow hole, whether a Halal bone, a fat Kosher sausage or a CIA dildo. He knew or should have known the rules of the game before he sat down at the table. In any case, he probably laid back and enjoyed it ! I hope it was as good for him as his handlers. This fellow is as stupid as the tourist visiting Harlem, getting beaten and robbed and complaining about the criminality of the Ghetto residents.

    If we dont harden ourselves against all this nonsense guess who will be the next race taking it in the ass ? There is no softness in war, direct or indirect, covert or overt and anyone who thinks fairness and righteousness should rule must be living in La La Land. Brutality rules. That is the way it has always been !

    • Replies: @Weaver
  85. It would be poetic justice is every member of our current regime and its media and financial enablers had to endure what this man did.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  86. HdC says:

    Also, look up “London Cage”.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  87. This is just one more act of barbarism that expose alphabets as sick perverted sadistic parasites who have no passion for life unless it’s their own filthy kind, and even they are betrayed.
    This is what’s planned for white Americans in the coming days under the ‘Domestic Terrorism Act of 2021, cruel and unusual punishment for questioning the narrative and giving them the same power that tortured innocent Muslims.
    I hope Abu reaps tens of millions in settlements and 1000 CIA thugs are incinerated as payback.
    Sorry, I meant ‘incarcerated, my bad. Hehehe, don’t wanna be a hater now do we? No no no, bad dog, bad bad dog.

  88. Schuetze says:

    Of course Germans aren’t the only Amalek’d people to be afraid to discuss or seek revenge against the Hebrew. Both Al Queda and ISIS never attack Israel or Jews. One could argue that the Muslim “resistance fighters” are afraid of Jewish Power, but it seems far more likely that they are really just taking the shekel.

    Germans, on the other hand, are still paying for the holofraud, and will keep paying until the last one is interbred with a sub-Saharan untermensch.

  89. @Maddaugh


    We are occupied by an illegitimate Regime run by GlobalHomoZioBIGs3MIC filth.

    That’s 2SLGBBTQQIAPWXYZ+ – Two Spirit, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Beastiality, Transgender, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Asexual people, and Pedophiles. + added to cover the overlooked., Zionists, All BIGs, All three Military, Medical and Monetary Industrial Complexes.
    Make January 6th Great Again

    • Agree: Mike Fridelle, Maddaugh
  90. Notsofast says:

    take all who participated in this, all the way up the chain of command and human centipede them.

  91. gotmituns says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    just go to Chelsea in Manhattan and to find the needed perverts to anally rape prisoners.
    There’s quite a few fags in Brooklyn Hts. that’ll do the job as well.

    • Agree: A Half Naked Fakir
  92. @anon

    The CIA and it’s operational arm is untouchable in Washington and not in the least bit vulnerable. At best they’ll throw out some low-level guy as a scapegoat and that’s as far as it will go. They have too much information and leverage with the powerful. Remember they can legally kill anyone they want at any time so nothing can be done about CIA atrocities.

  93. @RadicalCenter

    But if the CIA can do this to him, they can do it to us.

    They don’t use the CIA to do it to Americans, but this crap is already being done.

    Read some accounts of prisoners on how the guards in state and local facilities torture prisoners, most recently the Jan 6 prisoners in the DC jails. G. Gordon Liddy wrote about it back in the 1970’s recounting his time in the DC jails. The FBoP plays the same games.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  94. Coming to a school board meeting near you. Or is that a water-school board? Ba-boom!

  95. The worst part is being tortured under the administration of that drooling clown Biden; there’s just no dignity in that.

    • LOL: Weaver
  96. Agent76 says:

    Sep 30, 2006 The Secret Government

    It aired on PBS in 1987 and is as good as anything on the tape (must see). He interviews many different people involved with the CIA and other government agencies. His documentary gives quite an overview of what has actually happened in the last 50 years regarding the CIA and the cold war (including Iran, Guatamala, Cuba, Viet Nam and Chile).

    • Thanks: RichardDuck
    • Replies: @RichardDuck
  97. Weaver says:

    If you imprisoned the people currently in charge and placed those currently imprisoned in office, the US would likely be better managed.

  98. Weaver says:
    @Chris Mallory

    The frightening thing is in an open borders “nation of immigrants,” the CIA views US citizens roughly the same as foreigners. Legally, they can’t do such a thing to an American, but they’d have no moral problem with it.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  99. Schuetze says:

    I know all about it. Lets face it, this tribe has been committing blood sacrifice on Goy babies for centuries. They murdered hundreds of millions of Christian Europeans in their wars for Israel. They even bite off the foreskin of their own baby boys. The only real question that we need answered is how many sadistic torturers through out history were not Jewish.

    • Agree: Mike Fridelle
    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  100. You do good work, Striker. I applaud your efforts for building a news organization for us gentiles among a sea of pro-Zionist garbage. When we look back on these times you will stand out as someone who led the way when the going was extremely difficult. I’ve always been a fan, most people can’t match your passion or energy when it comes to these issues.

  101. Weaver says:

    No one condemns Israel’s border control except relative to America’s. ADL demands open borders for the US but not for Israel. It’s the hypocrisy people condemn. The ADL is “frightened” that whites might not die out.

    The US is supposed to be against torture. The US has no threats except from mass immigration. We don’t even know why this man was captured. Clearly, he’s not part of al Qaeda. White people get blamed for torture such as this. It fuels anti white racism.

    In game theory, you do not excessively torture your neighbors, because they’ll come to view you negatively as a result. The US has zero threats. There is no cause to torture anyone here.

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
  102. @Jameson

    Muslims are anenemy and have been for a long time, but they are not the enemy. It’s tempting to say Jews are our worst enemy, but even that’s not quite true, as they are only our worst external enemy. The worst enemy of Christendom is called “the West”. That’s the godless, relativistic, feminized anti-civilization that has sought to destroy and replace Christendom. Its ruling ideology is “the Enlightenment”.

    I notice that you, like many others, talk about “the West” as something you belong to rather than the enemy. Not me. I look forward to the well-deserved destruction of “the West”, which now appears both inevitable and imminent. By the grace of God, a neo-Christian civilization may rise in its place. Until then, however, there is no hope of repelling our external enemies. It was “The West” and its “Enlightenment” that made it possible for them to infiltrate our countries in the first place. Only when we acquire a new mindset—which is actually an old mindset, that of the medieval European Christian—will we able to rid ourselves of the Jewish bloodsuckers, the Mohammedan thugs, and the sub-Saharan apes in our midst.

  103. @Schuetze

    Yes, Virginia, there is a religion of dick-sucking.

    The only people more contemptible than Jews are Jew lovers.

  104. @Arthur MacBride

    As horrible as that is, at least they’re not in White Christian countries. If all Jews decided to migrate to Israhell in order to enjoy visiting diabolical torments on Arabs, White Christians should logically be happy.

    • Disagree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Jameson
  105. @gotmituns

    The U.S. Supreme Shysters are nine unelected, unaccountable, ethics-free megalomaniacs. They manufacture “constitutional law” according to their own whims. They’re all millionaires.

  106. Jameson says:

    Muslims did that long before Hitler was even born.

  107. Jameson says:
    @Ray Caruso

    Read Joan Peters book, From Time Immemorial. The Muslims had abandoned the Holy Land, even Mark Twain commented on it after visiting the region. And it wasn’t until AFTER Jews BOUGHT LAND and then started building and developing the area that Muslims flowed in from surrounding Muslim lands to take advantage of the development they could never do, as Muslims.

  108. Anne Lid says:

    You and that Maddough fellow will make two good little slaves for the Jews once they each get their 1200 goy slaves their holy men promised them.

    They stoke Muslims against historically Christian nations, and vice versa. I have no desire to see more immivasion to Europe or countries derived from us, but that does not mean I don’t give a fig about the would-be-immivaders’ abuse. I don’t know why a Palestinian fought with Afghans, but I am guessing solidarity with corelogionists. He is hardly worse than American contractors in Iraq and elsewhere, doing whatever they do for money.

    Recommended reading for you: Don Isaac Abravanel by Benzion Netanyahu. Also a little clip floating gently somewhere in the ether by rav Touitou.

    • Replies: @Jameson
    , @Maddaugh
  109. Iris says:

    Israeli trolling is now beyond scraping the barrel of stupidity; the end is near.

  110. Jameson says:
    @Anne Lid

    You must love Muhammad, there were Jews in Arabia before he invented Islam then went on to kill the Jews. He accomplished in Arabia what Hitler FAILED to accomplish in Germany!

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
  111. American citizenry = an incredibly naive, thumb-sucking four-year-old little girl. That four-year-old girl loves her daddy. She climbs up in his lap for a bedtime story every night. Little does she know, her daddy is a blood-soaked, murdering psychopath.

    America committed horrible war crimes against the German people in WII. Study the bombing of Dresden. That was but one of some 1100 German Cities indiscriminately carpet-bombed / firebombed in the middle of the night – By our American Boys. Movies made of their Heroism.

    Then study what we did to the German People after the war.

    Then study how we rigged the Nuremberg Trials; we tortured for confessions. To rewrite history and invent the Holocaust Hoax. To forever Demonize the German people and enslave them to perpetual Jewish Holocaust reparations. To create, “The Axis of Evil”.

    Then we rolled right into Japan conducting the same indiscriminate firebombing campaigns. Culminating with two Nuclear Bombs murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians (families, women, and children). They still today suffer the effects of the nuclear holocaust unleashed on a population. Only America has used such a weapon.

    Fast forward today and you have the CIA extracting confessions in support of the complete, fraudulent, “War on Terror”. This is no different from the Nuremberg tortures —A desperate attempt to wash our hands of any guilt. The Holocaust extermination confessions were all extracted by extreme TORTURE (Sleep deprivation, testicle crushing, and threats of killing their families). The victims were then SLOWLY hung by the neck (Wilhelm Keitel took 28 minutes to die) to silence them forever.

    Fast forward today and we just finished up 20 years of the “War on Terror”, in which we invaded and obliterated five countries, slaughtering millions….ALL UNDER A LIE —ALL Dead for REVENGE taken on an enemy that never took part in 9/11. 20 years of War Propaganda – Glorifying and Sanitizing the murder and destruction of millions. Their fathers and husbands rise up to expel the foreign invaders and we call them “Terrorists”. All of these countries had stone age armies, offering little to no resistance to the world’s leading Super Power. We are indeed a country of cowards, bullies, and sociopaths hiding behind our petrodollar and sophisticated war machines.

    History, once again, must be sanitized for America’s consumption. The 4-year-old girl needs a bedtime story she can be proud of. Now she is told of, “Islamic Jihad”, “The Clash of Civilizations” and “A New World Order”.

    With the 9/11 wars over and no new budget justification on the horizon…the CIA, FBI, and DHS turn inward to cultivate a new product to sell; “Domestic Terrorist”… and so we begin eating our own. False flags on American soil begin again. MSM Propaganda will fire off story after story of terror cells in America – evidenced by angry school board meetings. Drone Strikes will take place on American soil. Americans will be arrested under the Patriot Act and shipped to CIA dark sites for “questioning”…none of them will ever live to tell their story.

    America is doomed. There will be hell to pay. The Jews have absolutely corrupted our Nation. We are a Godless nation of debauched sociopaths –sodomizing our children, cutting the penises off our little boys – so they can be raised as girls. We are driven insane by the parasite feeding on us. We begin eating our own flesh. We are no better, in fact, worse than Israel now. We are rightly hated and despised the world over.

    Retribution is coming. Our county will one day be invaded. We will face a foe just as powerful and then America will know true defeat. Israel will turn on America in her time of need. The little girl will be ravaged by the yellow hordes, her father watching with indifference. We will fight to defend her and WE will be labeled the “Terrorist”. And we will deserve every bit of it.

    • Replies: @Weaver
    , @Iris
  112. Weaver says:

    Israel just destroyed a 4300 year old Canaanite cemetery. They’ve been knocking down old neighborhoods in Jerusalem, burning cemeteries.

    People need to count how many have been killed by these wars for Israel, but if it hasn’t passed 6 million, it soon will. Holocaust museums need to be replaced with museums for Palestinians and victims of Bolsheviks.

    Never forget. Never again.

    • Replies: @Jameson
  113. anon[109] • Disclaimer says:

    Not true. My Arabic speaking neighbor, now deceased , was there in the 1930’s. He noticed houses going up that were a different style from what was originally there. He asked some native Arabs; what’s going on? They replied; don’t you know. They’re coming here from Europe, Zionists are and they’re building everywhere!

    • Thanks: Weaver
  114. @RadicalCenter

    Keep marching in circles.

    You relinquished your Civilization when you let the Jews get away with 9/11.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  115. Weaver says:
    @Mike Fridelle

    Some part of the Holocaust must be true, because I’ve talked, recently with an old Polish woman whose uncle, I think, was somehow tortured by the Germans. The guy had clear damage around his, I want to say, shoulders. I think she said the guards were just bored.

    She said something about another relative, maybe more than one, dying in Russia. But her focus wasn’t on Russia. I’d mentioned Ukraine, to start with. That was how the topic began. She’s not Jewish, but very pro-Jewish, also against US wars.

    So, some degree of bad things happened in those camps. However, maybe Syrians are mistreated today in Turkey. Palestinians are obviously mistreated in Palestine.

    Serbs claim they were killed in the Holocaust. Something happened even if much less than what’s recorded.

    • Replies: @Mike Fridelle
  116. Avery says:

    {Abolish the CIA,….}

    All organisms do their utmost to survive. CIA is no different: it has grown too entrenched and too powerful for anyone to abolish it. Not even US Congress can do it.

    Apparently John F. Kennedy is reported to have said his intention to “…. to splinter the C.I.A. in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.” Many books have been written persuasively arguing that CIA had a hand in JFK’s lead poisoning.

    But CIA is only the publicly visible part of the Deep State.
    The apparatus is so vast (e.g. NSA*, DIA, Homeland Security, FBI, BATF, ……ABC, …,XYZ,), and its tentacles have spread to so many parts of America’s body, that it will even survive the death of America.

    [Deep state undermined Trump presidency: Glenn Greenwald]

    How did Covid-19 appear at just the “right” time for President Trump, who was a shoe-in for a 2nd term, to lose to a man visibly suffering from mental degradation? Maybe it was a coincidence. Or maybe it wasn’t.
    * how many DON’T remember how NSA was spying on Tucker Carlson, because he was talking about the evil Deep State?

  117. Iris says:
    @Mike Fridelle

    ALL Dead for REVENGE taken on an enemy that never took part in 9/11.

    It can never be repeated often enough: zero, zilch, no Muslim took part in the WTC 9/11 attacks, since no plane whatsoever was involved.

    The bombing was real, curtesy to Silverstein and his Mossad explosive experts, but the “planes” were computer-generated and added onto the explosion footages.

    All these crimes, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, Iraq, Libya, Syria, had no justification whatsoever.

    The reckoning of 9/11 is ineluctable: the Israeli perpetrators who executed this crime of unprecedented proportions have left too many loose ends and forensic evidence. This reckoning will destroy what is left of America’s credibility for covering it up.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
  118. Anne Lid says:

    I am grateful to Hitler that at least he tried to protect me and mine from the degeneration that is everywhere. You keep on mocking if it pleases you, it doesn’t matter to me.

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
    , @Avery
  119. Trinity says:
    @Zorton the Cruel

    And get away with 9-11 is what (((they))) did. UNBELIEVABLE. And (((they))) are probably saying, we don’t care IF you know (((we))) did 9-11, the question is what are you going to do about it.

  120. Jameson says:

    1. The Caananites were destroyed in the Old Testament when the Israelies moved into the Holy Land, on orders from God. The so-called “Palestinians” have ZERO to do with the Caananites.
    2. Muhammad never set foot in the Holy Land, he “flew” there in a “dream” on a freak animal donkey contraption.
    3. The Muslims should be evicted from the Temple Mount.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Weaver
  121. Anne Lid says:

    Oh, my, that old canard, that miserable piece of Zio propaganda, “From time immemorial”! Finkelstein had his promising carrier cut short for exposing that particular bunch of lies.

  122. We need to revive the Church Committee Hearings on the CIA and other Intelligence Agencies.

    Is there not one politician who could lead this and not be afraid?

  123. Alden says:

    If all the Muslims abandoned the Turkish colony of Palestine, why did the Turkish government still pay tens of thousands of Palestinian government workers to maintain irrigation the train and city buses roads sewers water supply electricity police teachers Drs nurses hospitals medical clinics tax collections that paid for it all right up to 1922? If the territory were abandoned? Somebody farmed , built and repaired buildings owned retail stores to pay all the taxes for all those government services.
    If Muslims abandoned Palestine why the need for the trains roads and farms if there was no one to eat the food drink the water ?

    Not every Palestinian was a Muslim. It was 30 percent Christian. They were treated as badly as the Muslims. When I was growing up most of the small stores and businesses now owned by Asian and Hispanic immigrants were owned by Palestinian refugees from Jewish confiscation of property , murder and threats of more murders if they didn’t leave.

    A land without people for a people without land is one of gazillions of lies perpetrated by the Zionist conquerors.

    How would you like it if some armed thugs walked into your house and told you to leave with just what you could carry, no car , wheel barrow baby buggy or cart allowed in exactly one hour?

    That’s what happened to Sirhan Sirhan’s Family.

    Jean Peters is a Zionist shill.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @lee
  124. Iris says:

    But if what you say were true, why had Isreal set as a policy to systematically destroy and desecrate all Christian Holy sites it invaded Palestine in 1948?

    Why were these crimes called by Israeli minister Moshe Sharrett “a disgraceful page full of filth,”, because the invading Jewish soldiers turned places of worship into places of filth, into toilets, and covered the floor with their feces, burning the Holy sites afterwards?

    It is not possible to imagine what was done: desecration, conscious desecration, contamination, breaking of symbols, tearing of fingers off statues in order to steal some ring, theft of precious stones and pearls from monasteries, dirt, ripping of books, theft objects, objects for sacred use used as fuel for heating, and so on and so forth.”

    Why did Isreal have to destroy Christian Palestinian Churches if they did not exist in the first place? Why is there a book on the topic?

    Why is Israel still burning and destroying Christian Palestinian site to the day?
    Above: The Church of the Multiplication of the “Loaves and Fish,” is where Jesus is said to have performed the miracle of feeding 5,000 followers in the hillside on the shore of the Sea of Galilee. It was burnt to the ground in 2015.
    Above: the destruction of the Saint Stephen’s Church graveyard, Beit Jamal Monastery near Jerusalem.

    Why so much destruction has to take place in what was allegedly an empty country, Hasbara ?

  125. anon[296] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anthony Aaron

    Wonder what options are open to the Supreme? The Supremes are appointed by those corrupted into one of the 527 positions that manages the USA? Most likely, the Supremes will not order Air Force to take the victim for a flight visit stop to every American city in order for the victim to tell his story. So what can the Supremes do but ask the victim to join Julian Assange in London for a life time of exile?

  126. Weaver says:

    I appreciate the reply, but Jerusalem is appropriately a city for all three religions. The Temple Mount might not even be the Temple Mount, of course. It might just be a Roman fort. Stop destroying the past and instead study and appreciate it.

    Christians in the region, some who are almost certainly descended from the original Jews, are fully opposed to Israel’s current policies, as you know.

    Many of these Palestinians are likely at least partially so descended. It’s probably, in a sense, Jewish heritage and history you’re destroying.

  127. jkk says:

    jews are the lowest form of life. And America will be judged by history for having served these spawn.

  128. Jameson says:

    Not worth even arguing about this. It is a waste of life moments. I look at the big picture. I see that Islam is the problem. There is no peace with Islam, it has destroyed WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Christian communities than the Jews have even dreamed of doing. The Muslims need to move on. Every single land the Muslims control is OCCUPIED TERRITORY. What sort of idiots end up with 99% of their population all following the same religion? Islam, because it is based on evil, and it forces people to follow. Any non-Muslim defending Muslims, even in so-called “Palestine” is the biggest sucker and fool the world has ever known. The Christians of Palestine have been run out by other Muslims just like everywhere else the Muslims are. Even IF it was true that the so-called “Palestinians” had their precious land stolen by the mean old Jews, GET THE F OVER IT ALREADY, every single land in the world is controlled by some people who took it from some other people. But we have to hear the pathetic Muslims crying about this decade after decade. The idiotic Muslim trash in Saudi Arabia wouldn’t have even known how to get the oil out of the ground, WESTERNER’S HAD TO DO IT FOR THEM. Screw the Muslims, screw Islam. Islam out of the West now. And let the Jews take care of business and be done with this already.

    • Troll: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Weaver
  129. RobinG says:

    Thanks, Alden.

    Even though “Jameson” is an obvious Zionist troll, maybe a bot, there’s value to exposing their lies – especially for any new reader who may be fooled if these propagandists are left unchallenged.

  130. Fr. John says:

    “What the hell has America become?”

    An antichrist Talmudic shabbas goyim state.

  131. @rgl

    Actually, this time that may not be true. And when you have some non-violent solution to this regime in mind, let me know.

    No, it’s not my government.

  132. Jameson says:

    A bit off topic, but have the hard-core Muslim defenders on the forum heard about the Muslim invasion of India? It is estimated some 80 million, 10x the holocaust, Hindu were killed through the years as Islam destroyed those beautiful ornate temples and savaged the land. Finally India gave the Muslim trash a big chunk of land for Pakistan, but STILL the Muslims attack in India, it is never enough for Islam.

  133. Iris says:

    Of course, box cutters and remote Afghanistan cave-planning is all that is required to bring the Nr1 world super-power to its knees.

    In April 2000, over a year before the September 11 attacks, Larry Silverstein held a meeting to discuss plans to replace World Trade Center Building 7. This meeting was revealed during a 2014 speech which Silverstein gave to a pro-Israel group and has been widely circulated.

    Those rag head Muslim cave-dwellers had even secretly taken control of the mighty US Israel lobby WAYYYYYYYYYY ahead of 9/11. Who would have thought…

    • Thanks: Just another serf
  134. @Phibbs

    Aaaaand there’s the government provocateur right on schedule. I disagree and I reject unlawful violence.

    • Agree: acementhead
  135. geokat62 says:

    The Jews… are productive members of society…

    But believing that Jews are a bigger problem than Muslims is total abject insanity.

    So true!

    “But combine them together with the relatively tiny size of worldwide Jewry, around 16 million prior to World War II, and the inescapable conclusion is that in per capita terms Jews were the greatest mass-murderers of the twentieth century, holding that unfortunate distinction by an enormous margin and with no other nationality coming even remotely close. And yet, by the astonishing alchemy of Hollywood, the greatest killers of the last one hundred years have somehow been transmuted into being seen as the greatest victims, a transformation so seemingly implausible that future generations will surely be left gasping in awe.” – Ron Unz

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  136. anon[268] • Disclaimer says:

    Disgraced scumbag Shreve Ariail’s got a hairy gynecomastia tit caught in the crimes against humanity wringer. He’s been mob lip for CIA torture cowards, fabricating legal pretexts for manifestly illegal acts, so the pedo’s trying to sheepdip himself as a ordinary crooked shyster scumbag for a while, and hope people will forget he’s an enemy of all mankind under the Nuremberg Principles. And a pussy coward weasel.

  137. Weaver says:

    The thing about Israel is the US provides the money and resources. So, the US is partly to blame.

    Corruption tends to create more corruption. If the corruption of US support of Israel is ended, then maybe the drug company corruption can be reduced.

  138. @Agent76

    Those are the people and agencies poor Julian is up against!

    I have witnessed all that happen over the years but without understanding it was all planned secretly hidden from the public eye. I have heard so many lies from politicians already. The problem is that hard working people have not much time to cut through the deception and and see what is really going on behind the politician’s rhetoric.

    The fight for democracy. What a sad joke it is.

    Each step going down the slope is just annoying but I feel we are slowly sliding down into a trap from which it will be quite painful to get out. There seem to be no moral ideals pointing our administrators in an uphill direction.

    The ideal government according to Confucius practices social virtue. It’s hard to believe that a virtuous administration would resort to torture since if it is has nothing to hide.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  139. How many CIA torture dungeons are there in Australia? Are there none? How do we know?

  140. profnasty says:

    So true. The BushBastard was in charge for all of this.
    Biden is torturing White Americans in DC.
    The song remains the same.

  141. Weaver says:

    A lot if not most of the CIA and FBI are good people, obviously. Those are huge organizations. Similarly, most in the military are good people.

    • LOL: Arthur MacBride
    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  142. Why does the CIA still exist? How does it benefit the average citizen?

    • Replies: @Weaver
  143. @beavertales

    It would be interesting to read a reaction to this from Fred Reed. Or Ben Shapiro for that matter.

    • Replies: @mocissepvis
  144. @gte757n

    Not that I can see. All are unconstitutional and should be abolished.

  145. Weaver says:

    A large polity like the US is safe. There’s no excuse for the US torturing anyone. 3000 died in 9/11. Most Americans believed we went into Iraq to stop that from repeating. 1m die in Iraq. It’s completely unbalanced.

    I doubt that guy is even guilty of anything, but maybe he is. They probably broke him physically and mentally, then realized they were wrong to.

    • Replies: @RichardDuck
  146. Weaver says:
    @Semi-Employed White Guy

    I dunno, but consider that “conservatives” have tended to support the warring and torture while it’s only conservatives who are also against mass immigration.

    I don’t think immigration can be reduced until conservatives fully and completely reject torture and empire. Because others see all of those things linked together as racism. They won’t see us as good until we become good people. Torture isn’t what a good person does.

  147. This is the fate that awaits all those ‘who get in our way’, if I might quote the Zionazi capo di tutti capi, Jabotinsky.

  148. Spanky says:

    Pakistan’s fault… Anon121

    Bullshit. It’s our fault.

    And it falls to this generation to set it right.

    Before it consumes us…

  149. @Weaver

    Most of those in the SS, Gestapo and MOSSAD were and are ‘good folks’, too. No doubt about it.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  150. @geokat62

    Once again the moronic ‘the Jews’ rubbish, as if Jews were an undifferentiated mass of uniform cogs in some hideous machine. Some Jews are productive members of their host societies, and others are not.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  151. geokat62 says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Once again the moronic ‘the Jews’ rubbish…

    Could you give just one example of a Western country that isn’t under the yoke of Jewish Supremacist wokeism and isn’t being flooded by mass immigration engineered by JSOs?

    • Replies: @Weaver
  152. HT says:
    @Al Kayder

    Misguided Christian whites think they are aligned to godless Jews religiously thanks to false biblical teaching. It is sickening to watch white Christians alignment themselves to Jews who would cut their hearts out.

  153. JackOH says:

    Schuetze, it’s worth noting that Abu Zubaydah was tortured at a Polish facility at the Szczytno airport, which had once been a Luftwaffe airfield in the 1930s before that part of Germany was turned over to the Poles in the scandalous Yalta deal-making.

    I’ll leave it to novelists and philosophers to tease out the morality of a supremely aggrandizing America outsourcing its dirty work to countries eager for its attention and good offices.

    • Thanks: Schuetze
  154. Weaver says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Very possible. I want to disband the CIA, cut funding, and reduce many things. Opponents are often not “evil.” The US shouldn’t have a standing army, but military people are often wonderful.

    It’s easy for you to point around at others as bad. Whatever group you support can likely be pointed to in a similar manner. It’s not productive to be filled with hatred. You should focus on results.

    I think it’s very good to expose every crime the CIA has committed. They should not be above the law. But I suspect a great many in that group aren’t party to such things.

    Similarly, if some soldier in another country or activist in a different group meets a member of a different country/group, the assumption shouldn’t be that the other is evil. It is evil to excessively divide the world into good vs evil, in a sense.

  155. Weaver says:

    Greenland, haha. It’s an Amerindian nation but Western in a sense. Danish. Is Hungary Western? The term keeps changing.

  156. @beavertales

    Almost all the comments on your video are hammering the jews. Good. It won’t be long now.

  157. Gilles says:

    Wow, recommending Joan Peter’s book that was thoroughly debunked by Norman Finkelstein and years on is currently acknowledged as a hoax… that takes some nerve.

    Most can read into your postings in spite of your anglicised handle.

    From Time Immemorial is not well-regarded even in Israel — both Porath in Israel and Hertzberg of the AJC also excoriated Immemorial as a fraud as well.


  158. @Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg

    Hey, we have been playing this game before the nazis.. We learned it from the english.

  159. Weaver says:

    It is humiliating as I understand things to be currently.

    1066, the Viking French brought Jews into England. Neither group was kind, at least as we have the history.

  160. lee says:

    It never happened—–bogus claims advanced by a junior Senator from Wisconsin—Joe McCarthy.
    He would do or say anything for publicity and when called out for his accusations would then backpedal by calling his critics liars. How many Hollywood types would he ruin by his accusations in just a few years after this trial ? Good read at link.

    In its final report ( the Malmedy probe), issued in October 1949, the subcommittee criticized the military for using mock trials with a fraction of the prisoners to elicit confessions or soften up suspects (“a grave mistake”), and for the official use of mass military trials that lumped officers with subordinates (“they should be indicted and tried separately”). But it was even more plain-spoken in its primary conclusions: There was little if any beating, kicking or other brutalization of prisoners. They’d been given plenty of food, water and medical attention. Their trials were fair. And, most important in explaining why such charges had been raised, then re-raised, the subcommittee said they sprung from a coordinated campaign of misinformation involving ex-Nazis and possibly Communists in Germany, along with an “extreme” pacifist organization in America, the National Council for the Prevention of War.

  161. @Weaver

    It is a very complex story…the Jews have been rewriting history for almost 80 years now.
    There are a couple very good source sites:

    Also look up a site called: www. The site has long since been scrapped numerous times by the Jews, but it is a treasure trove of point, by point exposure of the Holocaust Hoax.

    The Jewish Holocaust Hoaxters (Israel and all the Jews) are making the incredible claim the Hitler and the National Socialist Party devised a secret plan to exterminate all the Jews in the world, only stopping at the magical number of 6 Million because of Allied Forces intervention.

    They state these six million were systematically gassed and cremated. 4 Million were supposedly gassed and cremated at Auschwitz alone. An impossible feat.

    Holocaust denial is denying this claim of a State-Sponsored highly organized plan to systematically exterminate the Jews. Germany had no such plan. The German people were Christians.

    The Jews were rounded up and interned in labor camps, very similar to what was done to the 200,000 Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor. The Jews in Germany were Bolshevik Communists. They were wreaking havoc on the German Military with murders, sabatoge, bombings and destruction. They were actively trying to overthrow Germany. This why they all had to be rounded up. You could not trust any of them.

    Internement is not Extermination. Emigration was the plan…not extermination.

    • Thanks: Weaver
    • Replies: @Weaver
  162. lee says:

    Alden said:

    How would you like it if some armed thugs walked into your house and told you to leave with just what you could carry, no car , wheel barrow baby buggy or cart allowed in exactly one hour?

    That’s what happened to Sirhan Sirhan’s Family.

    There is nothing in SS bio to suggest that this happened. SS and his family immigrated to the US in 1956.

    • Troll: Iris
  163. Jameson says:

    The real bottom line issues with regard to Jew-haters and their “take” on the so-called “Palestinian” issue are as follows. Firstly, they don’t understand Islam, that Jew-hatred is a central core aspect of Islam, it is part of the core texts of Islam and goes all the way back to Muhammad, and that Muslims hate Jews more than they (the infidels) do. That the Muslims actually hate them, the infidels, more than the Jew-hating infidels hate Jews (this one is sort of funny actually). Secondly, and this one is a bit pathetic really, the infidels love railing against Jews, not only because of the ancient hatred for Jews found in the Bible, driven by the fact that God used the Jews to bring awareness of Him to the world, but also largely because the infidels know a bit about Islam, and they know that those who criticize Islam are often attacked and even killed, famous critics have to live in hiding, but those who criticize Jews know that the Jews are civilized and won’t attack or kill them, so it is simply much safer to just continue those attacks and ignore the many problems with Islam whether directly related to the so-called “Palestinians” or just in general, even as Islam is being allowed to spread in the West where it will cause ALL of the same problems it causes in Israel.

    • Replies: @Weaver
  164. Meanwhile, somewhat related —

    It seems that “certain forces” may be attempting to re-ignite Civil War in Lebanon, as well as propping up a corrupt and indolent govt, starving the Lebanese population.

    I wonder who could be doing things like that ?

    A senior Lebanese journalist has identified a US embassy employee as one of the snipers who opened fire at supporters of Hezbollah and Amal movements who were marching peacefully towards the Palace of Justice in central Beirut.

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Jameson
    , @RobinG
  165. @Weaver

    I agree on the unbalance. 3000 dead on 911 is a very large number but yet it is small compared the number of casualties we see when the US military get into action after we include all of the “collateral damage”.

    The point of all of this is that guerrilla warfare as the CIA does it and the apparent retaliation that 911 was have no real political impact. It just creates chaos and suffering. This is to be contrasted to a decisive military campaign that results in real political change and some stability afterward which the war in Afghanistan didn’t achieve.

    So torture and CIA type of operations and terrorist acts are not useful tools if we just want to be safe. I believed then that covert operations might help but I now realize I was wrong. I also thought that a thorough international police investigation of 911 would have been much more effective than the “war on terror” that Bush initiated.

    • Thanks: Weaver
    • Replies: @Weaver
  166. Maddaugh says:
    @Anne Lid

    LOL Annie. We want to make you our slave and sell you to some Moslems. Unfortunately, for an obese porker like you Jameson and I might have to trade you for a Falafel sandwich…if we bargain hard enough. You should be doing housework instead of hanging around men;s sites. An Islamic husband is just what you need to keep you busy.

    Recommended reading: The Koran and The Joys of Moslem Polygamy by Fatima Aziz.

    • Troll: Iris
  167. Maddaugh says:
    @Anne Lid

    Anne Lid is hungry to share a big Moslem sledge with 5 other crones. Note: Hitler in the later stages of the war raised several Moslem units. Far from protecting you, he was more than willing to toss some old German meat to the Mohammedans so he could maintain his power.

    He was a complete idiot and after wasting the flower of German youth, shot himself, had someone burn his body and turned over German women to be old spunkers for the communists and other occupying powers including the Africans in the Allied Forces.

    It would be wise for you to get a DNA test. You might find you are part Congo.

    • Replies: @Anne Lid
  168. Jameson says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    Lebanon, was largely Christian before the invasion of Islam and the resulting civil war, and trouble continuing to this day. Should be a warning to the West to keep Islam out.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  169. Maddaugh says:

    No one condemns Israel’s border control except relative to America’s. ADL demands open borders for the US but not for Israel. It’s the hypocrisy people condemn. The ADL is “frightened” that whites might not die out.

    I agree and disagree. They condemn Israel;s border wall just as they do having one on our southern border. They also go into a tizzy when the IDF kneecaps border jumpers, deports them or places them in hardcore prisons. I agree there is the hypocrisy. However, knowing there is a double standard we should do the same. Immigrants be warned : Cross the Rio Grande and you will be shot, imprisoned and deported. Illegal immigration issue solved ! If the Jews dont give a shit about world opinion why should we. As for whites not becoming extinct, this is all nonsense. No parasite kills its host !!

    You said : The US is supposed to be against torture. The US has no threats except from mass immigration. We don’t even know why this man was captured. Clearly, he’s not part of al Qaeda. White people get blamed for torture such as this. It fuels anti white racism.

    I say: Sorry my friend. If you have ever been on a battlefield you will soon realize that human sentiment is the first to disappear. It is replaced by hate, fear, revenge, sheer terror and primitive savagery……….on both sides. Tell me, what is the difference between roasting an enemy combatant with napalm and hanging him on a meat hook. All is fair and right or wrong is as out of place in conflict as morals are in a brothel. In the ME, beheading is a favorite past time and they consider it just because the Koran says so. Well, both sides can play the game. Combatants on both sides, from every nation and in every era indulge in this type of brutality. Sad to say it is the dark side of man and it aint going away, not ever !

    I dont condone it by any means but in a fight everything goes. When your opponent bites, goes for the balls, gouges and chokes you cannot abide by the rules of boxing Las Vegas style. That is just the way it is !

    You: In game theory, you do not excessively torture your neighbors, because they’ll come to view you negatively as a result. The US has zero threats. There is no cause to torture anyone here.

    See above ! But whether justified or not, whether fair and square or not, every nation or ethnic group view the next nation or group negatvely. This is a fact !

    • Replies: @Weaver
  170. Weaver says:

    I get the impression the CIA fails a lot. They succeeded in Ukraine I suppose, but that doesn’t even help the US.

    In Syria, there was an attempt by the US to replace Assad with… a guy from Texas. He was technically Syrian, but Syrians didn’t like the guy. Then the US tried with a variety of jihadis. The US has been supporting al Qaeda openly at times against Assad. And Saddam was an enemy of al Qaeda.

    It’s a mess is the point I want to make. And yea, if 9/11 was meant to frighten the US into exiting the MidEast, it sure failed. Whatever the truth of the events that happened, as a general rule I believe many horrible acts and also many wars and revolutions are fought by people who, if they knew the impact of their actions, would not have participated.

    A great many violent, revolutionary actions are wasteful and even counterproductive towards the intentions of those who do them. History is told badly in that we hear of great revolutions but not how participants regret the results. I personally expect the US would have been better off had it not left Britain. The British might have been far better off also, not needing India and Africa for resources, perhaps.

    It surprised me that Ruth Bader Ginsburg condemned those kneeling for the US flag at football games. She’s held up as a leftist reformist, but she didn’t like where the US is headed currently. I expect a great many of the doers don’t like the results.

    Anyway, an investigation would have been best. The Taliban claimed willing to hand over bin Laden if provided evidence he was behind 9/11. The dancing Israelis and Saudi links to the attackers, also how some were in the US illegally (broken immigration/visa system) and how they planned in Germany are details rarely mentioned.

    One poster wrote a pretty good analysis on what an effective Afghan strategy would have been, but had that been undertaken (divide and conquer strategy of giving Pashtuns and others ethnic states, breaking up Afghanistan), it might have resulted in a bad way for the US. Politics is hard.

  171. @Jameson

    Are you concerned about Christianity in the ME, “Jameson” ?

    Jews are always very concerned about “minority” groups, isn’t that true ?

    So have you expressed concern to your govt in Tel Aviv about the destruction of Christian sites in Israel and such charming expressions as Jews spitting on Christians ?

    I’m sure Naftali Bennett will share your obviously genuine concerns.

  172. Weaver says:

    The ADL wants a mixed race host. Attacks on Israel from the right are made under the assumption that Jews want a homogenous, white Israel and a mixed US. It’s made under the assumption that the Jews who want an all white Israel, with token acceptance of black and mixed Jews, are in power in the US. This assumption might be false.

    Also, the Right hates being linked with the bad things Israelis do. Jews like to blame others for Jewish actions.

    I disagree that every group hates every other group. There are significant, nuanced differences to what you say. Torture is a bad policy for the US. It’s good maybe for Israel, Turkey, Egypt, Saudi, Syria, etc. But not for the US.

  173. Weaver says:

    The right wing view is that Jews are expelling Muslims from the MidEast and bringing them into Europe. Jews seem akin to suicide bombers, willing to destroy themselves if only they can destroy Europe. Too much hatred.

    Cutting funding for Israel to zero is probably the only hope Europe has for escaping Islamic conquest. And it might already be too late.

  174. anonymous[397] • Disclaimer says:

    Good advice, but the innate supremacist evil of you pagan godless albino-ni88ers would never allow for it. You kind’s goal has always been to plunder from everywhere, and establish hegemony by any means. The more evil, the better to subjugate those considered lowly.

    Therefore, your spiritually accursed evilisation must be destroyed from within.

    So, if you wish to salvage yourselves, you need to destroy yourselves first. May you achieve that soon. God willing.

  175. The biden failministration “ain’t worried ’bout nothin’.” biden is a semi-senile puppet of the Deep Shit. Other than removal by the military he will not be leaving before the next rigged election.

  176. RobinG says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    I wonder who could be doing things like that ?

    Fuktoria Nuland.

    “Exclusive: #Lebanon’s Ministry of Interior: ‘Lebanese Forces started the shooting.’ A top-level meeting concluded that the right-wing LF opened fire first, but the Lebanese army changed that story after a meeting with a US official.”
    Lebanon’s Ministry of Interior: ‘Lebanese Forces started the shooting’

    N.B. “Lebanese Forces” is a Christian militia, not a part of the state.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  177. @Anon

    In a word, BULLSHIT. They are ALL part of the corrupt, criminal machine. Thus they are ALL responsible for what’s been happening.

  178. If the Supreme Court rules against the state secrets doctrine and forces the CIA to hand over privileged documents regarding their torture program, this could provide information that would allow the world to see the United States in a whole new different light.

    Not gonna happen. The CIA will just repurpose the same tactic it used against the SCOTUS in the wake of the 2020 Presidential Election when Texas filed its lawsuit:

    “Hey there, Mr. Roberts, Mizz Barrett. Nice families you have there. Would be a damned shame if some ill were to befall them.”

  179. Weaver says:
    @Mike Fridelle

    I’m convinced the Holocaust narrative is weak now. Things have changed. I know this goes against my earlier post.

    1. Internet is here.
    2. Muslims are here.
    3. Those programmed by the tv are dying.
    4. Jews have committed terrible crimes in more recent history, for Israel.
    5. Israel is losing support, is seen as an aggressor.
    6. Info from Russia about Jewish Bolshevik crimes (they might be blamed for more than is fair, which would be a mistake.)
    7. Armenian genocide seems to be Jewish. If it’s not, then the truth should win out.

    I think the myth will be exploded this decade. I’m not of German descent; so, it had never seemed important to me to contest.

    The myth that whites have done horrible things, which has some truth to it, is currently very popular and likely to grow in popularity. However, Muslims are here. Israel is losing support. All factors together make me think the Holocaust story is weak.

    I haven’t visited those links yet, but I’ve saved them. I want to visit on a different computer. We need the Muslims to help us. “Arab lives matter” tied to truth about the camps.

  180. All the CIA agents have to plead at any potential war crime trials is that the US wasn’t actually a sovereign state at that time and was under secret multi-state occupation (which it is) during the crime. However, given the circumstances, there won’t be any trials. Ever.

  181. @Semi-Employed White Guy

    It would be interesting to read a reaction to this from Fred Reed. Or Ben Shapiro for that matter.

    No, it wouldn’t be interesting at all; it would be perfectly predictable. And ludicrous.

  182. @RobinG

    Yes, Robin.
    There are signs, however, that Fuktoria’s (lol) tribal plans are coming unstuck.
    The corrupt Lebanon regime, servant of the US ambassador, will not last.
    Maybe they will be able to get away with some bags of money, like in Afghan, and they should take that option while they can …
    But the plan to engulf Hezbollah in Civil War for Greater Israel will not fly.
    The connection with Iran will grow stronger.
    Naftali has been weeping and wailing about it.

    Meanwhile crypto-jew oilrich KSA has been pounding little and poor Yemen with hi-tech aircraft, assisted by Perfidious Albion, for years … horrific death/injuries/damage …
    But the latest is —

    Yemeni army troops and fighters from the allied Popular Committees have managed to liberate 3,200 square kilometers of land and inflict heavy losses on Saudi-led militants during the latest advances in Yemen’s strategic provinces of Shabwah and Ma’rib.,-Marib-in-major-offensive-

    Possible USUK, who are leading ISIS-Daesh in Yemen, will call for a ceasefire “on humanitarian grounds” but unlikely Houthi will fall for this old trick.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  183. Jameson says:

    For the delusional Muslim-defenders there is a website that you should read, check it daily, and let it gradually sink in, Islam is not your friend, the Jew is not your enemy. Since 9/11 there have been over 40,200 Islamic Jihad attacks.

  184. @anon

    The US and Israeli mass torture programs are quintessential examples of ‘Western Moral Values’ and the ‘Rules-Based International Order’. The Five Eyes, plus or minus ‘treacherous’ New Zealand, make the Nazis look like beginners.

  185. @Phibbs

    Then you will become the same as them-if you aren’t already.

  186. @Maddaugh

    Mad Dog in his hydrophobic stage.

  187. RobinG says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    Possible USUK, who are leading ISIS-Daesh in Yemen, will call for a ceasefire “on humanitarian grounds” but unlikely Houthi will fall for this old trick.

    I’m told KSA has been pressing for ceasefire, but the Houthis have terms abhorrent to KSA. Due to small (\$400.) suicide drones that evade KSA defenses, Houthis are playing a strong weak hand, as you say… gaining objectives on the ground.

    • Replies: @Weaver
    , @Arthur MacBride
  188. Anne Lid says:

    Am not German. Funny, in a failbook group in place of reasonable arguments I was called unf.cked, frigid, in need of a passionate gypsy/black lover or, alternatively, enjoying the company of a well endowed Arab (or a whole flock of Arabs). One of these fakebookers was a gypsy woman, the others turned out to be partly or fully Jewish men. (And a few disappeared before it could have been ascertained.)

    I am not giving my genetic data as a gift to shady companies. I know where I am from and comfortable with it. Would be comfortable if there were a few Negros on my family tree, too, but there aren’t any. Kumans, mongols, Turks, various Slavics and a droplet of Germanics are more likely, and I’m fine with all of them.

    I have heard that a whole fortress full of Jews committed suicide, but before that they genocided their own families. For some unfathomable reason these madman are held up as heroes.

    Hitler gave a last, bitter finger to his would be captors. His decision was understandable. Anyhow, we all die. Where we shall spend eternity is more important than the way we exited earthly life.

  189. Weaver says:

    The KSA are the original aggressors. Houthis seem in the right still. KSA wants their oil currently.

    I just want the US out, but I assume the Houthis are better than KSA, could be wrong.

  190. Avery says:
    @Anne Lid

    {I am grateful to Hitler that at least he tried to protect me and mine from the degeneration that is everywhere.}

    You are grateful to the wrong guy.
    You could have had a case, IF Hitler had stayed within Germanic lands after taking Austria and Sudetenland.

    But he had dreamed about those rich, fertile lands in the East — inconveniently already populated by Slavic peoples — since he wrote Mein Kampf in 1925.
    Hitler and his delusional Nazi gang are the reason that Germany today is prostrate under the jackboot of Anglo-American SorosaReptiles. Instead of a proud and independent Germany she could have been.

    You should be grateful to Stalin and the Red Army.
    Undeniable fact: East European countries are the only European countries left that are still proudly nationalistic, European and Christian (e.g. Poland, Hungary,…). While whatever ‘European’ is left of Western Europe is relentlessly being sucked into the putrid muck of the SorosaSwamp. And being filled with non-European Muslims.

    Whatever the faults of Communism – and there are many – it somehow inoculated Eastern Europeans against the SorodaVirus.

    Don’t believe me?
    Check this map of mosques in Germany – West vs. East

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  191. Smith says:

    All support to Palestine!

  192. @anonymous

    In reality – in extreme circumstances – all governments can or will torture to get information. What turns people off the most is that the US pretends to be so virtuous but is just the same – but dressed up.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  193. @RobinG

    Turks report that peace-loving USA wants peace, no doubt to protect the ISIS-Daesh forces they and UK are leading in Yemen and which are being smashed by Houthi.

    Perfidious Albion sells arms to KSA, provides instructors for aircraft strikes, involves its servants in UAE, Oman, even provides spies/saboteurs.

    2019 report on US weapons provided for ISIS in Yemen.

  194. JackOH says:

    What turns people off the most is that the US pretends to be so virtuous but is just the same – but dressed up.


    America has an extraordinary talent for concealing what in other countries might be regarded as atrocities, human rights violations, terrible blunders, etc. The methods for concealing those atrocities are numerous and probably known to most readers here.

    Just a very few I’ll mention: outright classification as government secret; rhetorical deceit of all sorts; threats to potential whistleblowers, including career-busting and prosecution; “captive-opposition” front organizations secretly bankrolled by the offending party(ies); strategic lawsuits against public participation; spreading of economic and other incentives to induce people and institutions to play ball; etc., etc.

    You really have to look at specific laws, policies, and actions in detail to make a temperate judgment about how bloody odious America can be in specific respects.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  195. Mevashir says:

    The CIA tortures described in this horrifying article seem reminiscent of those deployed by the Dominican monks in the Spanish Inquisition. It would be the HEIGHT of irony if a SCOTUS with 7/9 Catholic (in)Justices were to decide to blow open this sadistic program. Maybe Pope Francis is having an effect on Catholic consciences even here in the Unconscious States of Awareness.

  196. Mevashir says:

    America is like a Madison Avenue advertisement: all glossy and fine but in reality grotesque and fatal.

  197. Mevashir says:

    Whatever the faults of Communism – and there are many – it somehow inoculated Eastern Europeans against the SorodaVirus.

    What is Soroda? Your points are very well taken. Check this out about the price Germany had to pay after the war:

    It seems that at Mendelssohn’s instigation, the British (and more reluctantly the Americans) did indeed ‘come to their senses’. The Americans (in a hangover from the Morgenthau Plan) had wanted the separate German regions (Länder) to have separate currencies: indeed until July 1947 the US occupation policy was governed by a Joint Chiefs of Staff directive that forbade their authorities “to take any steps to strengthen [the] German financial structure”.

    In contrast Abs (with British backing) successfully proposed that there should be a common German currency – the Deutsche Mark, introduced in the three western zones of Germany (British, American and French) on 20th June 1948. Soviet opposition to this new currency led to the Berlin Blockade from June 1948 to May 1949, which had to be countered by an airlift of supplies after the Western allies insisted the new currency should be used in West Berlin.

    The introduction of the Deutsche Mark was one of the ways in which Hermann Abs shaped the postwar world, along the lines suggested by Robi Mendelssohn to British intelligence: what could be termed an anti-Morgenthau Plan. Instead of permanently weakening the German economy, the Western allies should take steps to build up the Federal Republic. Hermann Abs’s other major contribution to this plan was his successful renegotiation of German debts (including both pre-war debts and reparations for the First and Second World Wars): the London Debt Agreement (Londoner Schuldenabkommen) was signed in February 1953, with Abs leading the German side. Not coincidentally, at almost exactly the same time the West German Bundestag ratified an agreement for long-term German payments to the new Israeli state.

    Within Germany, Abs became the leading official in the Credit Institute for Reconstruction (Kreditanstalt für Wiederaufbau), established in 1948 to distribute 20 billion marks in ‘Marshall Aid’ for German reconstruction, though it was not until November 1949 that he was permitted to travel to the USA for the first time since the war.

    Abs then became the key man in protracted negotiations during the 1950s for the return of German assets frozen in the USA. In a separate chapter, I shall analyse this process and some of the individuals and interests involved. In summary, it appears that a tacit agreement was reached in the late 1940s – an agreement that held until roughly 1990. German political and business leaders would agree (in general terms) that they and their nation were ‘guilty’ of whatever their enemies wanted to allege. They would act as the military frontline of the Cold War, and to some extent finance it, while giving up any notion of an independent German foreign and defence policy. And they would hand over huge amounts of money, goods and technology to the new state of Israel.

    In return Germany’s enemies agreed that a line would be drawn after the first phase of Nuremberg trials. There would be no endless witch-hunt against those who had held political or economic influence during the Third Reich, and Morgenthau-style plans for the complete crushing of the German nation would be shelved. While the German Reich would still be fractured into East and West, and remains fractured to this day even after the so-called ‘reunification’ thirty years ago, a substantial part of Germany would be allowed to become something resembling a ‘normal’ country. No constitution, no real sovereignty, no independent diplomatic or military role – but for pragmatists such as Hermann Abs and Konrad Adenauer, the Federal Republic was at least some semblance of ‘normality’, a far cry from the utter devastation promised in various ways by the plans of Henry Morgenthau, Earnest Hooton and Theodore Kaufman.

    What Abs didn’t realise when achieving this partial post-war settlement was that by 1990 the deal would have expired. With the end of the Cold War and the slow passing of the wartime generations, Germany’s enemies (in fact Europe’s enemies) chose to restart the witch-hunts. Instead of a general acknowledgment of German ‘guilt’, followed by a drawing of the line and ‘moving on’, there began a worldwide obsession with the ultimate crime – the ‘Holocaust’ – and a search for surviving individuals to place again in the literal dock of war crimes trials or the metaphorical dock of history. And acknowledgment of this ultimate crime was no longer a step towards rebuilding Germany and Europe (as Abs and Adenauer had intended), but a justification for flooding the White world with immigrants from every other race on Earth.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  198. RobinG says:

    Do you wonder, who is this “Raches” character who’s been given such a platform here? And what motivated Ron to do so… His adulation of Hitler has drawn all the NSDAP fanboys-&-girls, like flies to honey.

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