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Owen Benjamin and his fans have prevailed in their legal battle with Patreon.

According to reporting by Mike Cernovich, the Judge in the case has finalized a ruling ordering Patreon to pay at least $10,000 in arbitration fees to Benjamin and 100 of his fans.

Patreon banned alt comedian Benjamin for his political views last year. When Benjamin and his fans opened up arbitration over tortious interference in accordance to Patreon’s Terms of Service, the tech giant changed its rules in the middle of the dispute and counter-sued to intimidate the complainants.

Cernovich and other lawyers are estimating that silencing Benjamin could cost Patreon up to $20 million dollars in legal fees this year. If other victims of Patreon censorship, like Carl Benjamin (‘Sargon of Akkad’), were to pursue arbitration, they could bankrupt the company.

Various payment processors like Paypal also have arbitration clauses in their terms of service. The Paypal monopoly is one of the most aggressive political censors on the internet, as reporting by National Justice has shown.

Victims of suppression should flood the California courts with lawsuits and arbitration requests as soon as possible, as it is likely the tech companies will try to get politicians to change the law sooner or later.

So far, Benjamin’s case has been the only counter-punch against the tech totalitarians to land. The Republican Party and Donald Trump have demonstrated a l ack of will to punish Silicon Valley due to the fact that companies like Google and Facebook have bribed them into throwing the fight. Political dissidents may find that smart and tactical litigation is a much better and more effective route.

For the first time, the saying “get woke, go broke” has come true.

(Republished from National Justice by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Ideology • Tags: Censorship, Internet, Judicial System 
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  1. Comedians are assholes. They are not funny because they try to be funny and trying to be funny isn’t funny. Pure logic.

    So they sue to have the right to be more assholy. Wow. What a victory.

    • Disagree: Wade
  2. anon[142] • Disclaimer says:

    Obviously what Patreon needs is a GoFundMe campaign to pay off these bills.

    • LOL: paranoid goy
  3. R.C. says:

    This will be appealed and reversed.

    Note: For a MSM claim that the result of three weeks ago is other than above, see this:
    Alt-right comedian asked his fans to sue Patreon. It backfired
    https://www.dailydot.com/debug/patreon-suing-owen-benjamin-fans/

    Again, to the extent this is being characterized as a final victory, it’s wrong.

    This will be appealed and reversed.
    R.C.

  4. @R.C.

    Did you read the judge’s order? If not, then you have no idea whether it will be appealed at all, let alone reversed.

  5. @obwandiyag

    So how long have you worked for patreon?

  6. anon[796] • Disclaimer says:

    Patreon got wrecked.

    • Replies: @Orangepaws
  7. Tim Pool also did a video on this
    I was thinking of signing up for Patreon to promote my novels , but now? No way!

    And I wonder when Medium is going to start feeling the heat….

  8. Good for Owen. But $10,ooo to Patreon is just a tip at Starbucks.

    It would help, too, if he could avoid looking like Ted Cruz.

    • Replies: @johnlocke445
  9. @obwandiyag

    You are the asshole. But even you have free speech. Be grateful, not hateful.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  10. The Republican Party and Donald Trump have demonstrated a lack of will to punish Silicon Valley due to the fact that companies like Google and Facebook have bribed them into throwing the fight.

    No, it’s because they’re afraid of Jews.

    Antifa didn’t bribe the GOP, but the GOP does nothing because Jews are behind Antifa.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  11. @R.C.

    Did you read the article or not? The countersuit was mentioned and dismissed? Duh!
    But I do agree, they will probably find a reason not to pay, as it would admit guilt to all the rest.

  12. @Reg Cæsar

    It’s not $10,000. It’s $10,000 per claimant. Owen has 100 claimants. That’s why he wants other injured parties to enter into this complaint, such as Carl Benjamin (aka Sargon). Remember, this is Patreon’s fault. It was their terms and conditions that allowed this. Woops!!!

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  13. Exile says:
    @obwandiyag

    The point is that this is a good thing for the opposition to Globoshlomo – which presumably includes you. Stop being snarky and nihilistic for Internet Points and look at this from a pro-social perspective.

  14. Exile says:
    @R.C.

    I write appellate briefs – Patreon has a particularly lousy case on the merits and the judge is well within the law.

    It’s possible this gets reversed just like it was possible for the whole Ninth Circuit to openly prostitute itself in order to throw out Jared Taylor’s case against Twitter – but it will make more people Notice that the system is illegitimate if this case gets similar lawless treatment.

    What is the point of this defeatist-posting? If you think this is hopeless, why do you bother to post?

    Nihilism is the biggest single factor we can control for in opposition.

    Readers, learn to filter out comments like this. Defeatism is a symptom of extremely online personalities and the socially dysfunctional. If you feel this way, keep it to yourself and get help for your personal issues.

    Black-pillers and glow-in-the-dark demoralizers need to be shamed, bullied and shunned. Don’t be that guy – do better.

    • Thanks: Gordo
    • Replies: @Sterling Archer
    , @anon
  15. @Exile

    I hope there is more logic in your “appellate briefs” than there is in your post. If the “system is illegitimate” (your words) then there is no point to challenging it on its own terms. Even if this “victory” is not overturned, will it bring back all of the social media “cancelled” from the dead? That’s what “a massive blow to tech censorship” would involve, just for starters. Your little Mighty Ducks fantasy about a fat, balding “conservative comedian” (a perfect oxymoron) triumphing over the Big Boys doesn’t really qualify.

    Thanks, by the way, for your accusing those of us who know that is hopeless of being all but mentally ill. A nice touch. Recognition of the hopelessness of the situation does not necessarily breed defeatism; this is an assumption on your part. Knowing the truth (that the government is corrupt to the core, not reformable through the courts or the ballot box, etc.) might inspire the sweaty masses to do what needs to be done, a project I doubt you’re man enough to participate in.

    Back to those appellate briefs! Your country needs you!

  16. @johnlocke445

    It’s not $10,000. It’s $10,000 per claimant.

    Okay, that’s a million. Still sofa change to Patreon and the like.

    • Replies: @Pay The Man
  17. @Sterling Archer

    “conservative comedian” (a perfect oxymoron)

    Conservatives make the worst satirists. True reactionaries make the best. Ever since Aristophanes.

    • Replies: @RodW
  18. Woah! Bunch of cry babies in the thread below. Good call on this censorship bs. Americans have the right to free speech whether you like it or not. It’s an unalienable right that will never be taken. They will try but freedom will prevail. Don’t like it, don’t listen to it.

  19. @anon

    Patreon is getting a lesson in lawyers and their fees.

  20. @Sterling Archer

    Another Patreon employee? Or just another new “fellow commenter” here to deal out black pills?

    Lol! If you really have no hope, then why not just hide in the basement smoking dope? Or is that where you’re at now?

    Pathetic troll. Really pathetic.

    • Agree: Exile
    • Disagree: Kali
  21. @Reg Cæsar

    @Reg, you continue to miss the BIG PICTURE.

    First, with respect to this particular arbitration, Patreon is on the hook for $2,750 each time they are pulled into EACH arbitration. Each user coughs up $250.

    So, 100 x $2,750 = $275,000. They OWED these fees within 30 days of each filing.

    Patreon has deplatformed bigger sites with larger audiences.

    In other words, this is the proverbial tip of the iceberg.

    Spend some time and watch the videos above and you might have a better understanding of what you are talking about.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  22. @Pay The Man

    Spend some time and watch the videos above and you might have a better understanding of what you are talking about.

    I understand the legal wedge business. I’m just not convinced any monetary penalties will be felt until they reach ten or eleven figures.

  23. PokerFace says: • Website

    PayPal closed our account after 1000s of transactions and Zero complaints. We were only guilty of political Wrong Think. This was 5+ years ago ahead of lots of those that have been cancelled since Trumpies been in office. We have always been the proverbial canaries in a censorship mine. Same on FB and Twt.

    I would love to find a lawyer to represent us in these Tortious Inteference cases. If ur a lawyer reading this please contact me at
    [email protected]
    I would like to sue the shit out of these Bolshevik platforms.

    • Replies: @Wade
  24. Wade says:
    @PokerFace

    Hey, I just realized: you’re *the* PokerFace. I remember hearing you get interviewed on the Mike Piper RBN show.

    Good luck with that lawsuit!

  25. Ingot9455 says:
    @R.C.

    We are a long, long way from appeal.
    Patreon hasn’t even ‘lost’ yet.
    However, they DID lose the preliminary injunction, which means that the 73 individual arbitration cases go forwards, which costs them somewhere between $215k and $730,000 in up front money.

    They can continue with their court case and go into discovery, where Owen and his group get to read Patreon’s emails and Patreon gets to read Owen and his group’s emails. And then try to go to actual trial based on the facts.
    That would be very dumb, based on the preliminary injunction, but they can do it.

  26. the ((( international cockroaches ))) time is coming to a rapid close

  27. anon[331] • Disclaimer says:
    @Exile

    Black-pillers and glow-in-the-dark demoralizers need to be shamed, bullied and shunned

    Absolutely. The closer we get to the election, the more of them will show up.

  28. @Youyourselfandyou

    Don’t feed trolls; use the “Ignore commenter” feature and starve them.

  29. Victims of suppression should flood the California courts with lawsuits and arbitration requests as soon as possible, as it is likely the tech companies will try to get politicians to change the law sooner or later.

    Maybe I have misunderstood the law, but I don’t believe they can backdate the new laws they make that are more Patreon friendly.

    Those who have have a case under the old laws will likely have time to seek redress under the old laws.

  30. @Peripatetic Commenter

    Some media outlets are suggesting that Big-Tech will challenge California’s laws in this area all the way to the SC.

    https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/07/dissident-us-comedian-set-to-deal-massive-legal-blow-to-big-tech-censors-owen-benjamin/

    Jewish organizations will not allow their most powerful tool for stifling debate to be nullified without a fight. There is a strong possibility that if Benjamin and the other plaintiffs are successful, California’s arbitration laws could be challenged by Big Tech all the way up to the Supreme Court.

    It is not clear to me that the SC will overturn California in this matter, although I guess it only takes a court in CA to overturn the laws in question and then for the CA DoJ to decline to challenge the decision.

    We will see.

  31. anon[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Maybe I have misunderstood the law,

    Looks that way.

    but I don’t believe they can backdate the new laws they make that are more Patreon friendly.

    You are confusing “law” with “Terms of Service” for a start. Big difference.

    Those who have have a case under the old laws ToS will likely have time to seek redress under the old laws ToS.

    Since you mentioned it, seems the party is just getting started. I wonder how many followers she had when Patreon dumped on her, and how many will decide they want arbitration also?

    https://nationalfile.com/exclusive-lauren-southern-taking-first-steps-to-sue-patreon/

    The “piss on your customers because Woke reasons” model of business has flaws, as Patreon is discovering. What the Woke capitalists want and what the customers want can be two different things.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  32. @anon

    Maybe I have misunderstood the law,

    Looks that way.

    I was referring to suggestions that big-tech would try to change the law, which should have been clear based on the part I quoted.

  33. @R.C.

    The author of the article you pointed to seems unable to understand English.

    The Patreon ToS said that users had to talk to Patreon first and then had to use arbitration if they were unhappy, and specified JAMS.

    That is what Owen Benjamin got his followers to do. They did not sue Patreon, they invoked the provisions in Patreon’s ToS.

    Unfortunately, Patreon had not thought it out and then abrogated its own ToS and sued its customers who were seeking arbitration under its own ToS.

    Further, if you think it will be appealed and reversed, perhaps you can cite the relevant case law under which it will be reversed.

  34. @Bill Jones

    Yes, it seems he did, but only by a little bit.

    This link works for me. Yours does not.

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-08-08-op-21649-story.html

    I noticed this in the article by the LA Times:

    Clinton’s tax increase, misleadingly termed a deficit-reduction plan, is a blatant assault on Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution, which explicitly forbids retroactive law. Moreover, it is contemptuous of all legal precedent.

    However, it seems that the SC does allow retroactive tax laws within certain limits.

    https://archive.is/SidBq

    I doubt they would allow a non-tax law to be back dated to before the law was introduced into the legislature.

  35. Exile says:
    @Sterling Archer

    Defeatist nihilism is either a cope or deliberate subversion.

    Exposing the illegitimacy of the existing system is one of the most important things that anyone in opposition can do. Your advice, such as it is, is perfectly wrong and every radical and revolutionary in history would agree.

    Stop trying to fit me for the conservative clown suit – every comment I’ve ever made here or elsewhere proves otherwise.

  36. Kali says:
    @Sterling Archer

    If the “system is illegitimate” (your words) then there is no point to challenging it on its own terms.

    Ahhh, some “out of the box” thinking! Welcome brother! 😀

    Let me just repeat for emphasis “there is no point to challenging it on its own terms.

    I could not agree more! Using an illigitimate system to beat the self same ligitimate system only serves to legitimise and empower that system!

    Knowing the truth (that the government is corrupt to the core, not reformable through the courts or the ballot box, etc.) might inspire the sweaty masses to do what needs to be done,

    I’m not so sure this is where our hope lies though. The masses, sweaty and otherwise, suffer Stockholm Syndrome (or as the American users of this site like to say, are “cucked”) to such an extent that they have no idea of their own strength or potential to create change, or even that change is needed or possible. Those of us who recognise the problems we face cannot rely on the masses for anything but opposition and condemnation.

    We actually have to go out and litterally create alternative social and economic structures by which first we, then others, can live and sustain ourselves. If/when challenged, then we use their system to deflect their attack by questioning/denying its jurisdiction, amongst other useful legal tools at our disposal.

    That said, it’s already very late in the game (I’ve been yelling this same message for almost a decade). Their genius “coronavirus” tactics may put pay to ambitions to create balance, fairness, equilibrium, for generations to come. .. well, unless the sweaty masses wake up and, errr…. do what needs to be done… lol

    Ah well, my little mountainside Freetopia is defensable, from the ground at least, is abundant in resources and is open to all family, friends and like-minded rebels.

    What will be, will be.

    With love,
    Kali.

  37. For the first time, the saying “get woke, go broke” has come true. Um, go talk to The A&E Network! Ha! Their viewership is down 49%

  38. @Priss Factor

    “they’re afraid of Jews”, more to the point, they are Jews.

  39. Coincidence. A Benjamin wants a second Benjamin to join the suit.

    “Benjamin (Hebrew: בנימין, Binyāmîn, “Son of the right side”) was the last-born of Jacob’s thirteen children (12 sons and 1 daughter), and the second and last son of Rachel in Jewish, Christian and Islamic tradition. He was the progenitor of the Israelite Tribe of Benjamin.In the Hebrew Bible unlike Rachel’s first son, Joseph, Benjamin was born in Canaan.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin

  40. RodW says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Peter Simple being a great example of a wonderful reactionary satirist.

  41. Another analysis of the Patreon lawsuit result!

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