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There is a strong anti-China current being promoted in right-wing circles and some neo-liberal ones in light of the coronavirus epidemic.

These forces are seeking to redirect real criticisms of globalization – deindustrialization, stolen intellectual property, and trade deficits – and utilize them for support for regime change operations and possibly even war against China for the financial self-interest of a few American oligarchs. It’s similar to how anti-immigration sentiment was swerved into concerns about Islam’s illiberalism in hopes of advancing Israeli interests in Europe and promoting neo-conservative wars in America.

While the Trump government’s tariffs are a welcome policy in the national interest, it also refuses to fix any of the domestic problems that allow for China to always win due to the plutocratic stranglehold American capitalists have on the US government.

The US elite is divided on China. On the one hand, there is a steadily weakening wing that seeks to continue America’s relationship with the Asian superpower in hopes of keeping a foot in the door and gradually liberalizing it.

On the other side of the debate, there are figures like George Soros, Peter Thiel, and disgraced and exiled billionaire criminal Guo Wengui who see the Chinese pseudo-National Socialist system as antifragile in the face of the passive liberal subversion that helped take down the Soviet Union.

Neither Soros, Thiel, Trump or Wengui are interested in combating globalization, but only in destroying what they perceive to be a barrier to it. For Soros, he shrouds his personal financial interest thwarted by the Chinese state in the language of “human rights” familiar to the liberal-left. Thiel has tapped a number of “alt” right-wing personalities and phony populists to try and construct a civilizational and even implicitly racial clash narrative to support his business interests in India and America. Wengui’s weapon has been Steve Bannon, who has been making his appeal to whoever will have him as a neo-con jingo, reviving silly language about “liberating” the Chinese people even though we Americans have no freedom ourselves.

Anti-China? Yes. Pro-America? No.

It’s easy to mistake the discourse of China hawks for sincere patriotism. While Donald Trump ran on a platform of bringing American industry home, the Trump administration’s actual policies in recent years have not achieved this.

The Chinese government’s international message, that its nationalistic command economy provides for superior development in comparison to liberal-capitalism, appears self-evidently true. This is a problem for American plutocracy, which tells its own citizens and those of other nations that in fact free trade and liberalization are the path to prosperity.

Rather than copying what works for the Chinese economic model (nationalizing industry, strong regulations against foreign influence, etc), American capital and the Trump administration have worked to win over Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who is an advocate for mass privatization, weakening the state, and deregulation, a strategy the phony nationalist refers to as “minimum government, maximum governance.”

In Asia, economic prosperity and stable growth is more compelling than military power, and America’s elites have begun making overtures towards India in hopes of creating a counter-weight to China.

Last year, the US-India Strategic and Partnership Forum announced that 200 American manufacturers were interested in moving their supply chains from China to India, not America. The big barrier appears to be India’s low quality infrastructure and the lack of an existing free trade agreement with the US.

According to reports in Hindu press from two months ago, the Trump administration has gone into talks with the Modi government to develop a new free trade agreement that will produce $500 billion in trade between the US and India. When all these pieces are put together, the end-result will be that the US’ economically disastrous trade deficit with China will simply be shifted to benefit India.

India’s Modi is eager to turn India into a full-blown satellite of the United States. The mass privatization of the country after the fall of the Soviet Union has not significantly bettered the average Indians life and his nation is unstable and dysfunctional. The Belt and Road Initiative threatens to spread the Chinese Corporatist development model all around nations Indian oligarchs see as being rivals or subjects: Pakistan, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Nepal, etc.

The Belt and Road Initiative is also an existential threat to international Jewish finance. Nations across Asia, Africa, Russia and Europe have signed on or expressed interest in the BRI due to its exclusive focus on real assets and Keynesian infrastructuve-led growth, as opposed to neo-liberal models that impose the primacy of financial “assets” and selling off your country to international corporations.

India has refused to join the BRI, but the nations around it are all on board. If successful, the Belt and Road Initiative will create a counter-weight to Manhattan high-finance, and thus a potential economic partner for nations uncomfortable with the cosmopolitan, hedonistic Jewish values Washington demands its subjects take up in the name of “democracy.”

Donald Trump is trying to curtail the potential liberation of these nation’s from Wall Streets cultural and economic influence by creating the Blue Dot Network, or U.S. Free and Open Indo-Pacific Strategy (FOIP), which so far only has Australia, Japan, India and America as signatories.

Safe to say, this pact will require more foreign aid and trade deficits, and nothing that will financially benefit the people of America. A national industrial policy that looks to overturn neo-liberal reforms that have turned our economy into an overfinancialized basket case is the medicine we need. Instead, we are being drafted to fight a war to save an increasingly dysfunctional and discredited economic model that benefits only a few.

George Soros: The Open Society Against China

The international Jew George Soros has made much of his fortune collapsing the Bank of England and causing the Asian financial crisis. Most Western countries fear him due to his economic power, which he uses passively through speculative attacks or directly when he finances private coups against governments that defy him, known as “color revolutions.”

China, one of the only states in the world strong enough to put billionaire criminals to death, directly threatened George Soros with harsh legal repercussions when he saw the Chinese economy was flagging and began attacking the renminbi and Hong Kong dollar. According to the South China Morning Post, he was “sent packing.” Previous inroads were attempted by Soros’ Open Society Foundation, which helped organize the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, but was heavily infiltrated by Chinese agents and driven out of the country in its aftermath.

For Soros, the Open Society (inspired by writings by the Jewish globalist Karl Popper) is an important tool for international finance to deploy in order to control nations around the world. Soros’ global octopus of “foundations” promote racial incoherence, cosmopolitanism, immigration, homosexuality, feminism and other values that undermine social order and weaken national sovereignty or ethnic majorities so that they become vulnerable to his aggressive financial moves. Any collective identity, to Soros, is a threat to the liberal-Jewish outlook, and thus its hegemony.

Ever since China knocked Soros back, he has been active in trying to undermine its interests all over the world.

At the 2019 Davos conference, Soros pegged China as the “most dangerous opponent to the open society.”

Last February, Soros wrote an op-ed demanding European governments boycott a summit scheduled for this September with Chinese leader Xi Jinping. In it, the notorious Trump-hater praised the administration’s aggressive posture towards China, and warned European nations that China’s anti-liberal values were a threat to the European Unions “open society” ideology. Nations Soros has targeted, like Poland, have shown interest in the Belt and Road Initiative, and the United Kingdom has expressed its intentions to deepen ties with China to make up for the potential loss in export markets in Europe after Brexit.

Steve Bannon and Soros are unlikely allies, but they supported the astroturfed Hong Kong protests as average Americans yawned. China has also made “global cooperation” in sanctioning and destroying Russia, Iran or other perceived enemies of liberalism impossible. Maximum pressure sanctions intended to starve the Iranian people into submission have been thwarted by Chinese investment and aid. In Venezuela, when the CIA sabotaged the country’s power grids in an attempted overthrow of Nicolas Maduro, the Chinese immediately offered to fix it.

China and Russia’s non-compliance with directives from Washington and New York have by and large brought an end to “regime-change” as default foreign policy – setting back Soros’ dream of a raceless, borderless new world order significantly. The Chinese-Russian alliance has largely neutralized America’s military dominance in the Asia-Pacific, and new blocs of different levels of resistance have become emboldened (Wisegrad Group, anti-Zionist blocs in the Middle East, etc).

This is an opportunity to charter a new foreign policy path where we capitalize on our safe geostrategic position and mind our own business or focus on developing our own country, but Washington and the Jewish goons like Soros simply cannot accept it.

Steve Bannon: “Populist” For Hire

Another figure engaging in hamfisted agitation against China is Steve Bannon, a once-interesting civic nationalist who was dismissed from the White House by Trump and Jared Kushner and now appears to be a full time special interest lobbyist.

Bannon’s anti-China crusade is financed by exiled Chinese white collar criminal Guo Wengui, who in 2014 fled to America after he was discovered to be engaging with bribery and fraud, as well as rape and kidnapping. Wengui fell afoul of the Chinese Communist Party after Xi Jinping began an anti-corruption campaign in 2012.

Initially, Donald Trump announced he would deport the billionaire fugitive back to China, but changed his mind last minute. Now Wengui has been busy using his wealth to try and mobilize professional conservatives in Washington to create popular and political interest in the overthrow of the Chinese government.

Recently, Bannon has attempted to make overtures to the anti-woke left, which is hungry for alternatives to left-liberalism. On the Red Scare podcast, Bannon blew his chance at bridging right-wing and left-wing populists by focusing almost exclusively on promoting neo-conservative talking points about “freeing the Chinese people” and spreading unfounded conspiracy theories like the idea that the coronavirus is a genetically engineered Chinese bioweapon. The latter theory was invented by a Wengui funded propaganda outfit, G News.

When asked about healthcare, Bannon refused to support a national health system for all, even though most GOP voters like the idea. After Bannon called ethno-nationalists and white nationalists “clowns,” one of the hosts of the podcast asked why he supports Israel, to which he responded with desperate and logic-free Jewish bootlicking.

When Bannon attempted to pivot back to how oppressed Chinese people are, another host questioned why Americans oppressed just as harshly by our own plutocracy should give a shit, leaving with nothing but platitudes about a liberal utopia that doesn’t exist.

Some of Bannon’s rhetoric about China’s impact on America’s economy is true. But Bannon’s ties suggest he may be merely advancing the shift from dependence on China to dependence on Indian supply-chains, which is even more absurd as India’s infrastructure is awful.

Evidence suggesting this is Bannon’s role as the co-chair of the “Republican-Hindu Coalition,” an advocacy group close to the Modi government.

Naturally, Bannon’s Hindu coalition supports Trump’s call for a “merit-based” immigration system that would be the H1-B program on steroids and would grant current H1-B holders citizenship. This program would be seen as a massive betrayal by Trump’s base and impoverish America’s tech workers as unemployment explodes, so it is unlikely to be put into effect until after the 2020 election.

This is shaping up into a cynical strategy to replace China with India as the new trade deficit recipient, rather than bringing our industries home where they belong. Both Trump and Bannon are desperate to use bait-and-switch tactics to redirect anger at the failures of globalization into simplistic and impotent anti-Chinese chauvinism in order to advance the business interests and lobbies that support them, but don’t put America first.

Peter Thiel: The Alt-Billionaire Who Has Been Locked Out of China

Peter Thiel is by far the most influential in trying to mobilize dissidents and conscript them into the China crusade.

He is close to figures like the Zionist Yoram Hazony, Mencius Moldbug, Eric Weinstein (who manages Thiel’s investment firm, Thiel Capital), Bannon, China hawk and fake populist Josh Hawley (who received $500,000 from Thiel) and Donald Trump himself.

At the Israeli Hazony’s 2019 “National Conservatism” gathering, where a liberal form of phony nationalism was presented as an alternative to ethno-nationalism (in white countries, not Israel), Thiel gave a speech attacking Silicon Valley for its work with the Chinese government. Thiel is correct in this specific instance, but why is Google privately owned instead of state-owned like Huawei is? His only solution is to investigate the company for Chinese spies.

Thiel, who now fashions himself as an “American Nationalist” and is known to have had contact with a few “alt-right” figures currently trying to advance anti-China talking points, has shady ties with foreign governments that gratuitously spy on the United States. His patriotism comes into question when one looks at his investment in Carbyne, an Israeli spying firm believed to be controlled by the IDF’s Unit 8200. Thiel, along with Jeffrey Epstein and Erik Prince, were all involved in the shady project.

“Former” officials from Unit 8200 are strongly represented among CEOs of Silicon Valley companies. The Israeli’s insolent and aggressive spying on the United States was seen recently in a quickly memory holed story, where in 2019 devices were planted by Israeli intelligence to spy on the private phone conversations of Donald Trump and other prominent people in Washington. Shockingly, the US refused to respond or address the scandal.

Thiel’s specific animosity towards China is both ideological and a question of financial self-interest. While in the past he has carefully praised China, he has also made predictions that have not come true.

As the Soviet Union teetered on collapse, Milton Friedman asserted that China must fully liberalize or fall besides the Russians. While the Chinese did promote policies to encourage private initiative in some spheres, it ultimately doubled down on its planned economy when it came to the big picture. When Trump complains that it is “unfair” for the Chinese state to control the value of its currency, the Chinese ignore him, as they know that for now the US government is not strong enough to do what it takes to rein in the selfish American capitalists China plays.

The rise of artificial intelligence has created the potential to plug the holes of traditional centrally planned economies, something libertarians like Thiel are not fond of (note that his complaint about Google and China was over an AI program they were working on). It isn’t only workers who can be replaced by automation and AI, but private economic planners, aka capitalists.

Thiel’s predictions in Zero to One about China, like resource prices making them incapable of reaching Western standards of living, have not come true. The median monthly wage of Chinese workers in its major cities is currently on par with European countries like Croatia, and unlike the stagnating West, they seemed to have the wind in their sails until the pandemic hit.

Thiel has complained on multiple occasions about the many barriers the Chinese government puts in the way of foreign investors, which is common sense for any country interested in defending its sovereignty. This has made Thiel’s chess-inspired, counter-intuitive investment strategies difficult, and it is making him upset that the Chinese government is not allowing outside capitalist interests to fully partake in its growing prosperity.

It seems to have recently dawned on libertarians and neo-liberals, that after decades of denial, China remains a nationalist and socialist country and has only been using the prospect of accessing its massive market to cock-tease Western capital into providing the initial push it needed to rise. The worldviews of shot-callers like Soros and Thiel are going to be challenged if ascendent China surpasses declining America in quality of life.

On the economic front, like Bannon, Thiel appears to have an interest in pushing America closer to India. The ridiculous “Howdy Modi” spectacle, where Trump and Modi met, was sponsored by both Walmart -eager to enter the Indian market – and OYO Homes & Hotels – an Indian start-up Thiel personally funds and supports.

On the 5G front, the Trump government appeared to be doubling down on a “free market” alternative to Huawei, but this has been fruitless. Thiel’s company, Rivada, is looking to try and enrich itself with an idea to fight the potential for “Chinese espionage” via a Department of Defense selloff that would give it “open access” to its airwaves, but historically privatization schemes like this have consistently failed.

Trump appears to contradict himself and his spokesmen. Trump is now planning to campaign on nationalizing 5G, which is the true patriotic option.

All in all, it is important to make a distinction between an accurate diagnosis of the symptoms arising from our relationship with China, and the actual problem. Moving factories from China to Vietnam, India or Taiwan will leave the American people just as poor and jobless. Wasting energy following conservatives in their idiotic crusade to change how Chinese people live in China will provide no benefit to the white worker. American liberalism is collapsing because it is an unnatural and dysfunctional system.

The real conversation should be focused on the legitimacy of money power that rules us, and whether it benefits us. The answer is that it doesn’t, which is why they would like your eyes on China, rather than them.

(Republished from National Justice by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. An excellent analysis. Two niggles:

    1. why is Google privately owned instead of state-owned like Huawei is? ZTE is state-owned. Huawei, as far as I’m aware, is collectively owned and does not even have a government agency as an investor. That doesn’t mean it’s independent of the government, of course. Nothing in China is.

    2. The worldviews of shot-callers like Soros and Thiel are going to be challenged if ascendent China surpasses declining America in quality of life. That rethink is coming up fast. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will own a home and have an income, plenty of food and clothes, better education than Americans, safe streets, health insurance, a pensions, and old age care. By then, 300,000,000 urban Chinese will have more net worth and disposable income, PPP, than the average American, their mothers and infants will be less likely to die in childbirth, their children will graduate from high school three years ahead of American kids and live longer, healthier lives and there will be more drug addicts, suicides and executions, more homeless, poor, hungry and imprisoned people in America than in China.

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  2. Aquinas says:

    [citation needed]

  3. Anonymous[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Hello comrade Godfree (I am not being facetious or ironic, we both support socialism for a better present and future)

    you and partial comrade Eric striker(sorry Eric but all the americas from its birth would end up as a multiracial continent, can’t undo history. Europe is a different story though) might find this article about socialism in the 21st century and big data(awful corporate buzzword) interesting https://monthlyreview.org/2020/04/01/democracy-planning-and-big-data/

  4. antibeast says:

    Excellent article, easily ranks as one of the best I’ve read here on UNZ.com. Just to add a few points:

    On the other side of the debate, there are figures like George Soros, Peter Thiel, and disgraced and exiled billionaire criminal Guo Wengui who see the Chinese pseudo-National Socialist system as antifragile in the face of the passive liberal subversion that helped take down the Soviet Union.

    The Chinese System is what I’d call “Corporate Socialism” because it allows foreign Capital to participate in its so-called “Socialist market economy” with the Chinese State acting as the business partner to foreign MNCs in order to serve the interest of the Nation. The term “National Socialism” carries very different connotations because of its association with Nazi Germany.

    It seems to have recently dawned on libertarians and neo-liberals, that after decades of denial, China remains a nationalist and socialist country and has only been using the prospect of accessing its massive market to cock-tease Western capital into providing the initial push it needed to rise. The worldviews of shot-callers like Soros and Thiel are going to be challenged if ascendent China surpasses declining America in quality of life.

    The Western neo-liberals promote political liberalization in the name of “freedom and democracy” and social liberalization in the name of “human rights” because they want power and control over non-Western states and societies. Economic liberalization which China agreed to upon its accession to the WTO is not enough for Western neo-liberals because they want access to political power and social influence over non-Western client states, as in the case of Modi’s India.

    China and Russia’s non-compliance with directives from Washington and New York have by and large brought an end to “regime-change” as default foreign policy – setting back Soros’ dream of a raceless, borderless new world order significantly. The Chinese-Russian alliance has largely neutralized America’s military dominance in the Asia-Pacific, and new blocs of different levels of resistance have become emboldened (Wisegrad Group, anti-Zionist blocs in the Middle East, etc).

    Upon his accession to power, Xi early on recognized the dangers of political and social liberalization which is why he sought to assert the primacy of the Party in both the ideological affairs of the State and civic life of Society. A good example of what could happen is HK with its liberal politics and open society which makes it highly susceptible to political subversion and easy prey to social nihilism. Putin has also belatedly acknowledged this problem in Russia where he is now trying to pull off something similar to Xi’s strategy. Both Xi’s China and Putin’s Russia are impediments to the Globalist NWO agenda of the Deep State running the USA Empire because the two Eastern Powers represent the permanence and immutability of Sovereign Nation-States in the international arena.

    One more thing, the biggest existential threat to the Globalists is neither China nor Russia but the populist movement known as Trumpism. Love him or hate him, Trump is quite consistent in his nonchalance if not opposition to military adventurism and imperial games and multinational institutions, which makes him an anti-Globalist. That would explain why the Deep State has been so hostile to Trump since day one of his Presidency.

  5. This flat out one of the best articles I’ve read on Unz.
    Kudos to striker for writing. Things are now coming into view for me about how these mendicants like Soros and Theil operate.

  6. The Chinese System is what I’d call “Corporate Socialism” because it allows foreign Capital to participate in its so-called “Socialist market economy” with the Chinese State acting as the business partner to foreign MNCs in order to serve the interest of the Nation.

    I think China, with national and public ownership of land and natural resources, and abundant SOEs, is a “socialist country with capitalist characters”.

    The U.S. on the other hand, with its policies of corporate welfare, bailing out the wall street at the expenses of main street, and privatizing profits and socializing losses, is a country with “corporate socialism”.

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  7. Tor597 says:

    Great hard hitting article.

    1) But not all manufacturing should be brought back to America. The high value manufacturing should be brought back to America while the low cost manufacturing should be relocated mainly to Mexico and Latin America.

    You don’t want to manufacture everything, or else our American cars will cost $50k a piece. Let the Mexicans do basic low cost work. Also, this will help keep more Mexicans in Mexico and not having to come to America as immigrants.

    2) Agree 100% on India. I want nothing to do with these people and it has more to do than lack of infrastructure. In order to manufacture you need to have a wide base of workers who can be compliant and work together. India is the opposite. Indians are good at being lawyers and pundits, but little else.

    Also, if you think the Chinese are scammers, wait till you see India try to trade with us. Hell No!

  8. SDC says:
    @antibeast

    One more thing, the biggest existential threat to the Globalists is neither China nor Russia but the populist movement known as Trumpism. Love him or hate him, Trump is quite consistent in his nonchalance if not opposition to military adventurism and imperial games and multinational institutions, which makes him an anti-Globalist. That would explain why the Deep State has been so hostile to Trump since day one of his Presidency.

    H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 11, 2019

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  9. BRITISHBRAINSIZE1325ccLOL
    You were going good till you showed what you think of china with two words, and you know what they are, you are just another yellow fevered white scum nationalist loser ,us chinese have contempt for losers like you.

  10. Another ringer from Eric! Keep ’em coming, brother.

  11. @Anonymous

    Thanks.

    The 2020 GFC (since that is what it will be, regardless of what triggered it) will prove or disprove his analysis…

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  12. The end game of the wars in the Middle East was always Russia and China and the wars were a pretext to balkanize the Middle East and establish US bases for the expansion of the Rothschild Colony of Israel while containing Russia and China. Russia recognized they were next on the globalist hit list if they allowed Syria and Iran to fall and they stopped Rothschild in Syria and Crimea before they found themselves alone without any allies. Israel would be at the center of world trade, which is why they stole Palestine instead of going with Uganda or Argentina. Both Russia and China don’t want an expansionist nuclear colony that would dominate their economies on their doorstep. 5G is just an arms race, citizens health be damned.

    “Those who stand ready to furnish this money, are the real rulers. It is so in Europe, and it is so in this country (the US). In Europe, the nominal rulers, the emperors and kings and parliaments, are anything but the real rulers of their respective countries. They are little or nothing else than mere tools, employed by the wealthy to rob, enslave, and (if need be) murder those who have less wealth, or none at all. The Rothschilds, and that class of money-lenders of whom they are the representatives and agents – men who never think of lending a shilling to their next-door neighbors, for purposes of honest industry, unless upon the most ample security, and at the highest rate of interest – stand ready, at all times, to lend money in unlimited amounts to those robbers and murderers, who call themselves governments, to be expended in shooting down those who do not submit quietly to being robbed and enslaved.”
    ― Lysander Spooner, No Treason No VI: The Constitution of No Authority, p. 48, 1867

  13. Yee says:

    controls media = controls public opinions
    controls public opinions = controls politicians

    Media is the modern equivalent of Church, a brainwash machine.

    This is why it’s so important that every country in the world must have “free press and democracy”, because who controls media controls governments.

  14. Nations across Asia, Africa, Russia and Europe have signed on or expressed interest in the BRI due to its exclusive focus on real assets and Keynesian infrastructuve-led growth

    So we’re all Keynesians now? Was Nixon prescient?

    • Replies: @Robert White
  15. antibeast says:
    @last straw

    The U.S. on the other hand, with its policies of corporate welfare, bailing out the wall street at the expenses of main street, and privatizing profits and socializing losses, is a country with “corporate socialism”.

    The US banking bailouts are more like “crony capitalism” because the US government did not have any ownership stake in the TBTF banks. If Obama had nationalized those TBTF banks in exchange for the TARP bailouts, then the US would have something akin to China’s system. But, alas, the Obama Administration ended up socializing those public debts for US citizens while privatizing the profit gains for his Wall Street benefactors. History is now repeating itself under the Trump Administration with $2T of bailout funds going to Wall Street banks.

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  16. @eastkekiisawhiteguy

    We inventors of Western Civilization and all its unparalleled accomplishments have nothing but a seething hatred for you dog-eating, God-hating heathen filth.

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  17. antibeast says:
    @SDC

    H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump)

    Trump was never against legal immigration per se but he was always against illegal immigration. Besides, he thought that the USA needed to change its immigration laws from family ties to favor merit which is badly needed for certain industries such as healthcare and technology.

    The largest source of immigrants (both legal and illegal) in the USA today are low-skilled immigrants from Mexico and Central America. That’s not what Trump wants. He wants talented, wealthy or beautiful immigrants like his two Eastern European wives.

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  18. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:

    @ SDC

    The commentator antibeast is 100% correct. Trump is taking America back to 1998. If you’re happy with America returning back to what it was in the 1990s you’ll be happy with the Trump presidency.

  19. Kim says:

    Let’s say that we have annual global growth of 2%. We don’t have anything like that, especially not now under the coronahoax, but let’s just play with the idea.

    From that 2% growth a year, the world has to subtract the basic costs of running a population that is currently 7.5 billion. What is left after we do that, we can use to pay down an outstanding global debt of $255 trillion. Of course, clearly, there is not enough surplus production to pay down that debt. In fact the opposite is the case: to continue to consume, the world is going to have to add to that $255 trillion.

    So that is one side of the entire equation, and we can play “commie good, capitalist exploiter bad” and “my billionaire oligarchs are better than your billionaire oligarchs” all day long, but that is not going to make the debt go away, especially as none of the greedy and corrupt oligarchs of every race, whatever political flag they are waving, is doing anything to address the debt problem or to address the issues that mean that every country that is mentioned here is going to go down, further and further, faster and faster, and it does not matter a hairpin what “politics” a country claims to have.

    Because what could they possible do anyway?

    The other side of the debt equation is energy. Again let’s assume that we somehow in the future we again enjoy that 2% global growth. That means that in the next 36 years leading up to the year 2056, the world will consume as much energy (in particular oil) again as we have already consumed in the period since 1859, when oil first came out a gusher in Titusville, Pennsylvania.

    Is that possible? Of course not. Anyone who thinks that it is possible, that there is there is as much super-cheap or even just cheap oil available to the world today as there was in 1859 should immediately post himself off to the booby-hatch.

    Why do I raise this issue in an article which is basically a false flag, that pretends to fly the flag of the common people – they represent or protect us! – but in fact flies the flag of global oligarchs?

    I raise these issues because the common person should stop giving his allegiance and belief to these evil clowns. They are leading you astray and away from your own real interests. The entire assumption of all of these discussions, “America will be great again!” “No China will be the new global hegemon!”, “Trump is for heritage America!”, “Xi Jin Ping and the Princelings care about the average Chinese!” are just the most ridiculous bumpf.

    Forget these guys. They are not going to help you. They can’t! Only you can help yourself and you can do that only if you focus on your own personal situation and face reality.

    The past certainly was not what you expected it to be and for reasons that are opaque even in hindsight. Well, let me advise you that – for reasons that are perfectly clear and that I irrefutably outlined above – the future even moreso is going to be much less glorious than any one of any political stripe is trying to sell you.

  20. Mefobills says:
    @antibeast

    Corporate socialism is what the US has. Recent bailout of corporations rather than the people should be abundantly clear by now to all.

    China is nationalist socialist and people need to get over the boogey man. NSDAP economy had a lot of merit. We poke out our own eyes to spite our face when we refuse to deal with facts. Fact is….screw Jewish paranoia about the Nazi boogey man or Russian Cossacks coming to get them.

    • Replies: @Ondra Hada
  21. Mefobills says:
    @antibeast

    The Chinese System is what I’d call “Corporate Socialism”

    Socialism for corporations is what the U.S. has. Are the bailouts going to the people or to corporations? The U.S. is a plutocracy… a finance plutocracy to be more correct, and this plutocracy wants to own everything, and also be backstopped with taxpayer bailouts. Heads I win, tails you lose.

    The term “National Socialism” carries very different connotations because of its association with Nazi Germany.

    National Socialist Germany or NSDAP economy had a lot of merit. I would even go so far as to say the wrong side won in World War 2. The international forces of finance capital won in WW2. How is that working out for you now?

    Get over your brainwashing… you have been programmed from birth about the evil Nazi’s, when revisionist historians are now showing most of it was fake news… war time propaganda that never got corrected, and then Hollywood (jewlywood) built on the fake news to promote their new religion of holocaustianity.

    Holocaustianity inverts Christianity by making the Jew the perpetual victim nailed to the cross, while the devil is the white german or now any white male doing the torturing.

    The Chinese system is a form of National Socialism. I have argued here at Unz review, China is actually running the American System of Economy of Henry Carey (and the founders).

    That my fellow American’s are now 180 degrees out of phase with the wishes of the founding fathers is something to behold.

    Grow a pair. Jewish fears of a Nazi hangman or the thundering hooves of Russian Cossacks are a collective psychosis, because we now live in usury derived Jew world, and are afraid to utter terms like “National Socialism,” even when it is accurate.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @GeeBee
  22. gotmituns says:

    International Finance is code for Jews. Go to barter economy and no one needs those turds.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  23. What a shame that influential money power oligarchs, politicians, and journalists for big corporate media appear to be either pro-Israel, pro-China, or pro-India, yet in any case for open borders to facilitate mass migration into Europe and North America and destabilize their societies.

    …spreading unfounded conspiracy theories like the idea that the coronavirus is a genetically engineered Chinese bioweapon.

    This is certainly the most plausible explanation. Though it might have been released from the lab in Wuhan accidentally, the actual “warfare” occurred later, due to the refusal of Chinese authorities to have closed down the airport in Wuhan, once the dangerous threat was realized, and having instead decided to let it remain open for another two to three weeks, thereby having allowed the virus to spread throughout the world by unwitting flight passengers during this crucial period; so in any case they bear primary culpability for the current epidemic.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Disagree: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @denk
  24. Fight USSR, team up with China.
    Fight China, team up with India.
    Fight India, team up with whom? Alien?

    ‘ The worldviews of shot-callers like Soros and Thiel are going to be challenged if ascendent China surpasses declining America in quality of life. ‘
    This worldview challenge thing won’t happen, not saying that the surpass won’t happen, but that Soros and Thiel don’t care that much about America quality of life.
    Like India, like America, like cocktail. Up layers and down layers don’t mix. Why should top layers care the base layers?

  25. Biff says:

    At the 2019 Davos conference, Soros pegged China as the “most dangerous opponent to the open society.”

    Soros’ definition of an open society is a democratic one where you can buy elections, politicians, and law makers, so you can write the laws yourself – thank you very much. Another words, a feudal system dressed up as a liberal democracy.
    Doesn’t work with China, or anywhere else that gave the hair brained idea of national elections, lobbying, and tax deductible think-tanks the heave-ho.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @bluedog
  26. US-Western goons bashing China, Chinese bashing the US, each blaming coronavirus on the other

    The bigger red pill is that big power conflict is often fake

    Half a century ago Antony Sutton showed the USA was transferring tech to the old Soviet Union, to create ‘The Best Enemy Money Can Buy’, Soviet elites got funds, Hollywood movies, latest washing machines too

    China is full of Chabad centres, Beijing Chabad has a direct hotline to Jared Kushner’s rabbi at Washington DC Chabad, and ‘Putin’s rabbi’ Berel Lazar at Moscow Chabad

    A whole bunch of European Jews were involved in creating Mao’s China, some even joining the ruling politburo

    Billionaire Sheldon Adelson, USA’s biggest Jewish political kingmaker, makes most of his money in Macau China, is quite close to Beijing … Adelson funds Trump and Republicans, Beijing doesn’t touch Adelson tho, despite his own direct White House hotline

    It’s all a show, good friends, like rival high school football teams

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  27. Anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:

    Thiel has tapped a number of “alt” right-wing personalities and phony populists to try and construct a civilizational and even implicitly racial clash narrative to support his business interests in India and America.

    A good example of this is the alt-right personality “Bronze Age Pervert”.

    Like Thiel, Bronze Age Pervert is gay. He is also Jewish, and his background includes a university that is the intellectual home of neoconservatism and the neocon think tank the Claremont Institute. He was briefly in the White House and now works for a closeted gay congressman.

  28. Excellent analysis. The liberal-globalist elites cannot take a live-and-let-live attitude to countries taking a different path (China, Hungary etc.), for fear that their bluff will be called. The point was made by a certain deplorable author in a certain deplorable book some time ago, but in reference to the Soviet Union versus fascist/nationalist Japan:

    ‘Within this great herd of denationalised colonial territories, a single independent state might still wreck the whole work at the eleventh hour. For a Bolshevistic world can exist only if it embraces everything. If only a single state is preserved in its national strength and greatness, the world empire of Jewish satrapies, like every tyranny in this world, must succumb to the force of the national idea’.

    Replace ‘Bolshevistic’ with ‘liberal multi-culturalist’ and Japan with China and you have a perfect description of the present time.

  29. Tor597 says:

    If Americans were shocked by how Corona Virus dismantled their country, I think they will be even more shocked by what their crusade against China will bring them.

    1) America can only really exist in a unipolar world. By confronting China so openly will lead to a multipolar world that will put the petro dollar at risk.

    Printing off a trillion dollars here and there all of a sudden becomes that much more difficult.

    2) China has no reason to hold back now. They tolerated American interference in HK and Taiwan. What is to keep China from playing that same game? They could mobilize black people, Mexican gangs, antifa to divide America.

    3) America will not only lose control of China, they will lose control of Asia too. Anti China rhetoric in the west has already spilled over to general anti-Asian sentiment.

    If American consumers aren’t going to have the money to spend, Asia really doesn’t need America for anything.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  30. Kim says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    It is commonly observed that comparisons are invidious. After all, we cannot compare apples and oranges, but people nonetheless still often do try to, for their own political or private psychological reasons.

    Now, China and the USA are very different places. One of the more obvious differences is that China is racially relative homogenous and is a tightly controlled, authoritarian one-party state.

    In contrast, the USA is a patchwork of federalized states with quasi-open borders and with a vigorously competitive political culture and is heavily weighed down by a nigger population of around 30 million and an illegal imigrant population of around the same number.

    Keep that in mind: a similar demographic in China (1.3 billion) would give you 100 million niggers and 100 million illegal, low IQ, uneducated beaners. How would you think matters would stand in China is 1 in every 5 people were a nigger or a beaner?

    Anway, with that background mostly behind us:

    1. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will own a home

    Utter bullshit. Even if you said “will have a home loan” it would still be utter bullshit.

    2. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have an income

    Obviously. In what dimension does that not apply?

    3. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have plenty of food and clothes

    At last the CCP deals with the mass nudity problem! Indeed it has been a glorious 70 years!

    [MORE]

    4. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have better education than Americans

    A stupendously tendentious statement*. How do you measure that? I hate to enter into this kind of ludicrous, values-laden discussion, but aren’t the world’s top universities mostly in the USA? Don’t China’s oligarchs send their princlings to the USA to get their educations?

    *leaving aside the nigger and beaner issue and its impact on schooling

    5. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have safe streets.

    China does not have niggers or mass immigration. Would China like them? Please contact our local jews and communists to find out how to do it

    6. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have health insurance, a pensions, and old age care.

    If you set the quality and price low enough, everyone can “have” everything.

    7. Next year 300,000,000 urban Chinese will have more net worth and disposable income, PPP, than the average American.

    PPP is a concept of very limited usefulness. In fact, outside of its application to a very simple basket of consumer goods, it is worthless. For a start, it can only be applied to a basket of equivalent goods. Leaving aside Big Whoppers and flat screen tvs, a vast selection of goods that are available to citizens of the United States are simply not available to the Chinese people: a nice, free-standing house in a clean, green, uncrowded and unpolluted suburb; unpolluted drinking water and air; free speech (increasingly rare); travel without political permission; the right to live or work anywhere one wishes in one’s own country without a required permission or pass; religous freedom; the right to participate in politics without the fear of arrest (again, more rare nowadays); the hope that one can make something of oneself without having to become involved with politically corrupt CCP; freedom from ubiquitous everyday, small-scale corruption . And so on.

    8. Their children will graduate from high school three years ahead of American kids.

    What does this even mean?

    9. live longer, healthier lives

    Internationally, China ranks 54th in life expectancy and the USA 38th. As to “healthier”, how does one measure that? China has terrible figures for things like diabetes and lung cancer. It is a heavy smoker’s paradise. This is a worthless comment to make.

    10. Mothers and infants will be less likely to die in childbirth

    Figures are notoriously unrelaible. For example, one of the lowest infant mortalities in the world is in Cuba. Because they simply abort potentially difficult pregancies.

    11. More drug addicts in USA.

    You are right about this. Please stop trying to destroy america by sending fentanyl and providing Mexican meth labs with chemicals.

    12, Suicides.

    No accurate figures are available. Remember, China is a one-party, authoritarian state.

    13. Executions

    I wish the USA did have more executions. I would begin by death sentences for drug dealers. But that aside, you must be must be joking. Does your asssertion take account of those incarcerated in the Xinjiang re-education camps? (Where people are just re-learning the ABC) or the deaths of prisoners used for their organs?

    14. More homeless

    This is impossible to say but you could well be right. This is downstream of the drug problem. Again, China should stop encouraging the US drug problem. Stop the fentanyl smuggling.

    15. More poor

    This is bullshit. Rural China is incredibly, 3rd world level poor.

    16. Hungry

    The only people in the USA who are hungry are mentally ill

    13. More imprisoned people in America than in China.

    First, China is itself a huge surveillance-state prison. Does your assertion take account of China millions of political prisoners? For example those imprisoned in Xinjiang, the Fa Leuhn Gong, the Uighurs, the Tibetans?

    Second, China does not have niggers nor a failed narco state (supported by China) on its southern border, nor mass illegal immigration (thanks to jews and international communism)

    Thank you for you attention.

  31. The similarities to the runup to WWII are getting discomforting …

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  32. @last straw

    Corporate socialism? You kidding me? Corporate Communism! The Yanks are communist, not socialist. Please show me where corporations share the product of labour fairly. Come on, show me. I am really getting peed off with the Zionist habit of equating socialism and capitalism. The “Jews of the world” never declared war on Adolph Hitler in 1936, they declared war on Germany, with the express purpose of “wiping the memory of National SOCIALISM from the human mind…” I paraphrase, of course.
    So, please, get with the program: Liberalism leading to communism leading to Zion’s One King anointed by their god, the one they refuse to name explicitly. Capitalism is merely one of the business plans to collect all assets under one account.
    Corporate socialism, indeed!
    Protocols, babies, Protocols of Ziooo-oon! Get to know them, it is the new law…

  33. China’s Xi Writes Thank-You Letter to Bill Gates for Virus Help

    China and India are both a part of this Rothschilds-Soros false virus flag psyop, as are Japan and South Korea. Of course the 5 eyes countries are in it up to their necks. EU too. Israel’s IT and high tech industries are deeply involved in the OBOR “security”. Europe would not be allowed to implement Huawei 5G if Mossad and group 8200 didn’t have ample back doors.

    As in any of the hundreds of Talmudic dialectic conflicts of the last few centuries, ultimately both sides are owned and controlled by the same small group of hebrews who will win no matter which tribe of goyim loses.

  34. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:

    There is no anti-China crusade. China is responsible for what is considered the worst pandemic and economic disruption for 100 years, is widely suspected to have lied about and misrepresented it for their own ends and have got away with it, they’ve been let totally off the hook.

    China is now back to normal and selling other countries huge amounts of supplies for a virus that they are responsible for spreading, and other countries are still more than happy to deal with China. There is no anti-Chinese sentiment, considering the circumstances China is being treated with utmost respect and is incredibly lucky that people are not boycotting them.

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
    • Replies: @Biff
    , @bluedog
    , @showmethereal
  35. Herald says:
    @antibeast

    Trump is quite consistent in his nonchalance if not opposition to military adventurism and imperial games and multinational institutions, which makes him an anti-Globalist.

    I hope that anti-Globalist Trump remembers what you have said and then he might soon start moving his unloved and unwanted troops out of Syria and Iraq, for starters. More importantly, will this anti-Globalist manage to steer the US clear of an apparently impending and likely disastrous war with Iran? This will be a really difficult task if he wants to keep his overarching Zionist credentials intact.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  36. Realist says:

    Lots of very low volume commenters on this article…strange.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @bluedog
  37. @antibeast

    IOW, like all our “elites” Trump wants to replace the historic nation, but turn a nice profit in the process.

    Yet, different as the route is, the destination remains the same: national self-destruction.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  38. Biff says:
    @Anonymous

    China is responsible for what is considered the worst pandemic and economic disruption for 100 years,

    Nobody know’s for sure where the virus originated from, and the window to find patient zero has been closed for a while, so give it up man – nobody’s gonna buy your flyer…

  39. @Kim

    Let’s take those in order:

    1. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will own a home. Utter bullshit. Even if you said “will have a home loan” it would still be utter bullshit. Why? Because we cannot manage to feed and shelter our own people? Here are the figures from a (very British) corporation with zero interest in Communism:https://i.imgur.com/fArHjL7.jpg

    2. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have an income. Obviously. In what dimension does that not apply? What % of our bottom 50% has a steady income?

    3. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have plenty of food and clothes. What % of our bottom 50% has plenty of food and clothes? Have you walked the streets in San Francisco or LA lately?

    4. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have better education than Americans. A stupendously tendentious statement*. How do you measure that? I hate to enter into this kind of ludicrous, values-laden discussion, but aren’t the world’s top universities mostly in the USA? Don’t China’s oligarchs send their princlings to the USA to get their educations?https://i.imgur.com/djll25R.png

    5. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have safe streets. China does not have niggers or mass immigration. Would China like them? Please contact our local jews and communists to find out how to do it.

    [MORE]

    6. Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will have health insurance, a pensions, and old age care.If you set the quality and price low enough, everyone can “have” everything. Yeah, but this:

    7. Next year 300,000,000 urban Chinese will have more net worth and disposable income, PPP, than the average American. PPP is a concept of very limited usefulness. In fact, outside of its application to a very simple basket of consumer goods, it is worthless. For a start, it can only be applied to a basket of equivalent goods. Leaving aside Big Whoppers and flat screen tvs, a vast selection of goods that are available to citizens of the United States are simply not available to the Chinese people: a nice, free-standing house in a clean, green, uncrowded and unpolluted suburb; unpolluted drinking water and air; free speech (increasingly rare); travel without political permission; the right to live or work anywhere one wishes in one’s own country without a required permission or pass; religous freedom; the right to participate in politics without the fear of arrest (again, more rare nowadays); the hope that one can make something of oneself without having to become involved with politically corrupt CCP; freedom from ubiquitous everyday, small-scale corruption . And so on. Yeah, and they’ve got more money than us.

    8. Their children will graduate from high school three years ahead of American kids. What does this even mean?American educator Wendy Kopp[1] observed, “A couple of decades ago, Shanghai’s school system was plagued by the same problems we’re facing. There were significant disparities between the achievement levels of native children and the children of migrant families and overall educational levels were low. Today, the best international measures show that Shanghai has the highest levels of educational excellence and equity in the world and their fifteen year olds are three grade levels ahead of kids in Massachusetts, our highest performing state.” [1] Wendy Kopp, founder of Teach for America, to graduates. May 1, 2014

    9. live longer, healthier lives Internationally, China ranks 54th in life expectancy and the USA 38th. As to “healthier”, how does one measure that? China has terrible figures for things like diabetes and lung cancer. It is a heavy smoker’s paradise. This is a worthless comment to make. Uh huh.

    10. Mothers and infants will be less likely to die in childbirth Figures are notoriously unrelaible. For example, one of the lowest infant mortalities in the world is in Cuba. Because they simply abort potentially difficult pregancies. Like you’d know.

    11. More drug addicts in USA. You are right about this. Please stop trying to destroy america by sending fentanyl and providing Mexican meth labs with chemicals. The US, with five percent of the world’s population, consumes eighty percent of its opioids. Of 229 trafficking cases–in which 537kg of fentanyl-related substances were seized between last October and March–only seventeen seizures, weighing 6kg, originated in China. US fentanyl seizures show China is not the main supplier, Beijing drugs official says. The US Department of Justice says, “China has made great strides and the Department is encouraged by China’s recent class-wide controls of fentanyl-like substances.”
    Americans consume opioids because of bribery, weak regulation, poor enforcement, over-prescription, and endemic social despair. There’s not much China can do about that.

    12, Suicides. No accurate figures are available. Remember, China is a one-party, authoritarian state. Sure, sure. If China were authoritarian it would
    an autocratic state there would be

    • warrantless surveillance of private phone and email conversations.
    • SWAT team raiding homes;
    • thousands of shootings of unarmed citizens by police
    • harsh punishment of schoolchildren in the name of zero tolerance
    • endless unpopular wars
    • secret bans on 50,000 people from flying and refusing explanations
    • imprisoning 2,000,000 people witout trial
    • executing 2,000 people each year prior to arrest.
    • out-of-control government spending with little benefit to citizens
    • heavily armed, militarized police;
    • roadside strip searches;
    • roving border sweeps that imprison citizens and non-citizens
    • privatized prisons with a profit incentive for jailing citizens;
    • fusion centers that collect and disseminate data on citizens’ private transactions
    • militarized agencies with stockpiles of ammunition
    * confiscate all citizens’ wealth (https://youtu.be/dVUwb-yvdBg%5D

    The Chinese government does few of these things, its police are unarmed, its legal system is highly trusted, and its government’s policies are very popular.

    13. Executions I wish the USA did have more executions. I would begin by death sentences for drug dealers. But that aside, you must be must be joking. Does your asssertion take account of those incarcerated in the Xinjiang re-education camps? (Where people are just re-learning the ABC) or the deaths of prisoners used for their organs? Justice Department report estimates nearly 2,000 “arrest-related deaths” annually in US https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/12/19/poli-d19.html

    14. More homeless. This is impossible to say but you could well be right. This is downstream of the drug problem. Again, China should stop encouraging the US drug problem. Stop the fentanyl smuggling.

    15. More poor. This is bullshit. Rural China is incredibly, 3rd world level poor.

    16. Hungry. The only people in the USA who are hungry are mentally ill. You need to get out more.

    13. More imprisoned people in America than in China. First, China is itself a huge surveillance-state prison. Does your assertion take account of China millions of political prisoners? For example those imprisoned in Xinjiang, the Fa Leuhn Gong, the Uighurs, the Tibetans? Second, China does not have niggers nor a failed narco state (supported by China) on its southern border, nor mass illegal immigration. Riiiight.

  40. antibeast says:
    @Mefobills

    National Socialist Germany or NSDAP economy had a lot of merit.

    I think the term “National Socialist” is a misnomer because “Socialism” implies State ownership of the means of production but what the NSDAP advocates is more of what I’d call “National Capitalism”. Now let’s take an objective look at the economic program of the NSDAP:

    The problems with today’s private banking system are clear. Bank presidents receive hundreds of thousands in pay for their supposed vastly important work; each member of the board of directors, which usually meet only once a year, often receives tens of thousands. The responsibility of bank presidents and boards of directors is shown by the fact that the state had to pay 1 1/2 billion marks for their foolish speculations and bad investments. Bank presidents do what they want, and the state pays the bills.

    We therefore demand that the banking system and the money and capital systems be nationalized, just as the railroad and postal systems were fifty years ago, when under Bismarck’s leadership the transportation of persons, goods, and communications were taken under state control.

    As a result of the state support since July 1931, through which the Reich covered 1 1/2 billion marks of foolish speculation on the part of the big banks with tax money, more than half of the German credit bank system is already in the hands of the Reich.

    As preparation for the nationalization of the banking system, we demand the right of the state to supervise and intervene, and a requirement that banks report to the state.

    The supervisory capacity must give the state the possibility of fully understanding everything that happens in the banking system, and the right to intervene must make it possible to introduce measures in the banking system that are in the interest of the economy. The reporting requirement will insure a monthly statement on all positions and important changes.

    Only these measures will make it possible to stop foolish investments. Only they will make it possible to reduce interest rates to the necessary degree and break the slavery of interest. And only these measures can create the foundation for financing the job creation program.

    Furthermore, the head of the Bank Office will have the authority to make the organizational changes he thinks necessary to prepare for and implement the nationalization of the banking system.

    Monopolies that are not dissolved must immediately come under direct state administration, i.e., be nationalized. A monopoly can be run just as well by the state as by private industry. State control, however, assures that the profits benefit the nation, not finance capital.

    Stock companies must be placed under state supervision, which will largely follow the model of bank control.

    Objection: Any state intervention is harmful.

    Response: State intervention, on the contrary, is necessary to protect the economy from the worst damage by the interests of finance capital. State intervention has gotten a bad reputation only because the Marxist parties always intervened in the wrong places. Although the state can administer monopolies much better than private industry, the Marxists gave them over to finance capital (the Dawes and Young Plans gave away the former German Railroad, the match monopoly was given to the big capitalist swindler Kreuger by the Social Democratic Minister of Finance Hilferding), whereas countless unnecessary government concerns were maintained that only competed with craftsmen and manufacturers, producing goods much more expensive and of lower quality than those of private industry.

    The NSDAP economic program advocates for the State control but not ownership of the means of production with the exception of some industrial sectors such as transportation, telecommunications, banking, etc. which are natural monopolies.

    The Chinese system is a form of National Socialism. I have argued here at Unz review, China is actually running the American System of Economy of Henry Carey (and the founders).

    That’s where I disagree with you because the Chinese system is highly internationalist unlike the pre-war USA system which was highly nationalist characterized by high tariffs, protected industries, domestic production, closed markets, etc. China is very open today to foreign capital but they’re subject to control by the State. Same with the Chinese market which is open to all kinds of foreign brands, made locally or imported from abroad.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  41. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kim

    Forget these guys. They are not going to help you. They can’t! Only you can help yourself and you can do that only if you focus on your own personal situation and face reality.

    Okay Kim, I am listening intently. Let’s pretend that you are giving solicited advice to someone who’s in his early 20s, expects to live for say another 60(ish) years, and is wondering how he can “focus on his/her personal situation and face reality” – paraphrasing your words.

    So, exactly what are the steps someone takes to live a relatively secure and prosperous life?

    Give some concrete, specific advice.

    • Replies: @Kim
  42. antibeast says:
    @Herald

    I hope that anti-Globalist Trump remembers what you have said and then he might soon start moving his unloved and unwanted troops out of Syria and Iraq, for starters. More importantly, will this anti-Globalist manage to steer the US clear of an apparently impending and likely disastrous war with Iran? This will be a really difficult task if he wants to keep his overarching Zionist credentials intact.

    That’s the Zionist wet dream which is not what the Globalists want. What the Deep State fear the most is Trump withdrawing the USA from NATO because that would mean USEXIT which implies the end of the US Empire.

    By the way, lots of people confuse those two ideologies: Zionism and Globalism. Kushner is a Zionist but not necessarily a Globalist while Bill Gates is definitely a Globalist but not a Zionist. So Trump may be pro-Zionist (can’t be sure with such an amoral character) but he’s definitely anti-Globalist.

  43. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @nokangaroos

    The similarities to the runup to WWII are getting discomforting …

    Oh yes indeed, we are getting to a very nasty time both domestically and globally.

    This time though, seems to me that we have the American “alliance” (including all “Anglo” nations, plus Israel, Saudi Arabia and sundry puppets in Latin America) as the expansionist aggressors.

    We should remember, the World War II-era aggressors lost and were crushed utterly.

    We’re not learning the right lessons from Germany (the economic ones), instead we want to do everything they did wrong in diplomacy and war.

    We’re flooring the gas – straight to the abyss

  44. Last year, the US-India Strategic and Partnership Forum announced that 200 American manufacturers were interested in moving their supply chains from China to India, not America.

    Talk about jumping from the frying pan into the fire. I think I trust the Indians even less than the Chinese.

  45. @antibeast

    The US banking bailouts are more like “crony capitalism” because the US government did not have any ownership stake in the TBTF banks.

    Actually, it’s even worse than that. It turns out that the Big Banks have an ownership stake in that part of the US government known as the Fed. In fact, the Fed is 100% owned–every last share–by its own ‘member banks’ (i.e., Wall Street).

    If Obama had nationalized those TBTF banks in exchange for the TARP bailouts, then the US would have something akin to China’s system. But, alas, the Obama Administration ended up socializing those public debts for US citizens while privatizing the profit gains for his Wall Street benefactors. History is now repeating itself under the Trump Administration with $2T of bailout funds going to Wall Street banks.

    As the Italian economist Gaetano Salvemini used to say: privatized profits, socialized losses.

    • Agree: Mefobills
    • Replies: @antibeast
  46. @Kim

    +1. It’s gotten embarrassing how many commentators here are nut-huggers of the CCP’s capitalists. I know Roberts is a paid shill, what are the excuses of the rest? Pretty sad. They apparently can’t (rightly) oppose the US imperium without kowtowing to China.

    In fact, the globalists love the Chinese SYSTEM: state capitalism masquerading as socialism, creepy privatized surveillance (“social credit”) that makes Facebook look like Jeffersonian vigilance, and enforced population control (infanticide that mainly applies to females, and the Western feminists cheer it on). What they don’t like is the Chinese NATION; to their credit, the north Asian countries maintain their sense of national/ethnic identity, and this is what globalists/liberals despise. In that sense China deserves some support, but anyone who admires their system is a fool (at best).

    • Agree: Iva, Thomasina
  47. Can only add to the superlatives. This is a superb article. Unz found a gem with this guy.

  48. @gotmituns

    Sounds great. Except for the minor fact that the vast majority of the population would starve to death under such a system.

  49. Smith says:

    Eric Striker remains one of the rare nationalist voices in America.

    As much as I’m anti-China, if the USA just ships the outsourcing to India, it wouldn’t fix anything, it would just remake the globalist supply chain without China.

    The stuff going on with Steve Bannon is disgusting though.

  50. @brabantian

    Exactly. Corona is not being weaponized by US against China, or vice versa, but rather by both governments against their own people.

  51. @eastkekiisawhiteguy

    Chinese guys are so spazzy when they go off.

    • Replies: @eastkekiisawhiteguy
  52. @Tor597

    1) America can only really exist in a unipolar world.

    CORRECTION: America–the country–can exist just fine in a multi-polar world; it’s (((the globalists))) who can’t.

    • Agree: Meimou
  53. The worst part of all this is that if China, quite rightfully, jailed Soros for financial crimes, the U.S. would start an earth destroying war to save him in spite of what he’s done to America.

  54. Iva says:

    “freeing the Chinese people”.????????…..CFR and other globalists/zionists/kommunists did everything in their power to stop american general to fight communists and place communists in power. Now they pretend that they want to “free” Chinese .

  55. @Kolya Krassotkin

    Yup. In fact, importing a new upper-class is in some ways even worse than importing a new lower-class. The smart immigrants are far, far more dangerous to us than the Mexicans are.

    If anyone here still doubts what I’m saying, just ask yourself one question: wouldn’t America have been better off if we’d kept all the Jews out?

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  56. NPleeze says:
    @Kim

    One of the more obvious differences is that China is racially relative homogenous and is a tightly controlled, authoritarian one-party state.

    LOL, US is a much more tightly controlled, authoritarian one-party state – only difference is the US gives its party two names, Democrats and Republicans, just to fool the idiots – which encompasses, of course, a large percentage of Americans.

    the USA is a patchwork of federalized states with quasi-open borders and with a vigorously competitive political culture

    Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! I suppose there is some competition between Democrats and Republicans as to who is more corrupt and who is the greatest brown-noser of the inherited oligarchic dictatorship of the West. But on the plus side, China’s dictatorship isn’t inherited, and isn’t even any more of a dictatorship than the failing West.

    low IQ, uneducated beaners

    Every one of which is better than low IQ, pompous, uneducated, evil rednecks like you.

    • Replies: @Kim
  57. GeeBee says:
    @Mefobills

    Absolutely spot on Sir! I had a comment of mine blocked (I think – although it’s most unusual on Unz review) saying much the same thing on the tragic article dealing with the murder of that seven-year-old girl by a Somalian immigrant a few days ago. Don’t know how I can check if it was actually blocked. I might re-post it here and see ehat happens.

    • Replies: @anon
  58. antibeast says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Actually, it’s even worse than that. It turns out that the Big Banks have an ownership stake in that part of the US government known as the Fed. In fact, the Fed is 100% owned–every last share–by its own ‘member banks’ (i.e., Wall Street).

    Sorry, you’re wrong. The US Federal Reserve System is not an agency of the US Federal Government. It’s a private Central Bank owned by its member banks, mostly in Wall Street. But its biggest stockholders are the British Capitalists in the City of London.

    I will give you a hint of who (((they))) are: their surnames start with the letter “R”.

  59. They are all in cahoots with one another, including the CCP. With a few exceptions the international bankers own the institutions formerly nation state. The rest is crony theater for the marginalized 99%. The China drumbeats are just a fundraiser for the deep state. Your dreams of national socialism is music to the bankers’ ears. They’ll finance you just like they did Mao, Lenin, Hitler, Wilson, and so. Going debt free is the only solution, and that’s a dream at this point.

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Agent76
  60. Let a nuclear war between the Hindoos and the Chinks be the end of the two wannabes … we can watch the fireworks from the sidelines with a bucket of popcorn and a sarsaparilla.

  61. Agent76 says:

    Jul 4, 2019 Koch and Soros Team Up For World Peace! WTF?

    In case you haven’t heard, George Soros’ Open Society Foundation and the Charles Koch Foundation have teamed up to help launch a new Washington think tank.

    Mar 29, 2019 David Icke Exposes The Man Who You Dare Not Peak His Name!

    Nov 15, 2016 George Soros Interview Where He Admitted He Was A Nazi Collaborator

    George Soros these days wants very much to hide his real roots from people as he goes about spending millions on fomenting race riots.

  62. Agent76 says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    This is verification of your post!

    June 13, 2016 Which Corporations Control The World?

    A surprisingly small number of corporations control massive global market shares. How many of the brands below do you use?

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44864.htm

    “Control the oil, and you control nations. Control the food, and you control the people.” Henry Kissenger

  63. Kim says:
    @Anonymous

    Wrote a long reply. Lost it. Here is my answer in fewer words.

    Few 20 year olds will have secure and prosperous lives. Few will live to 80.

    Advice depends on circumstances and goals. Big question is if mr 20 wants kids and posterity. If he does, then he should know that at some point he has to be able to take his family out of the city and feed and protect them.

    If he cares not for posterity, he can make different choices. Maybe he should just shrug, make money today and live for pleasure.

    For guidance, look at Venezuela, imagine it without international support and that it is an ever-worsening situation. That is a very mild example of the future. We are having one step down to that at this very moment. More such steps will follow.

    Best job or career? Gangster? Colonel of National Guard? Farmer in the mountains?

  64. Kim says:
    @NPleeze

    You might like to check my other long comment in this thread and you’ll see that your reply is very misguided.

  65. @Been_there_done_that

    Notice how this troll disguises himself as grandma to get closer to deliver his message: which is to throw the mark off the trail of where this really started: Fort Detrick Maryland. And notice how Fauci did nothing until the cover could be firmly established for the big lie.Like virus getting inside a cell. A protein coating to hide the poison inside.

  66. Smith says:
    @Realist

    It’s hard to disagree with what said in this article.

    • Agree: Realist
  67. Anon[421] • Disclaimer says:

    Dr.Shiva Ayyadurai, MIT PhD.( Inventor of Email):

    “America is going to become an indentured servant of very wealthy elites in China who are connected with the Chinese Communist Party.”

    • Replies: @naill
    , @Ber
  68. Z-man says:

    Evidence suggesting this is Bannon’s role as the co-chair of the “Republican-Hindu Coalition,” an advocacy group close to the Modi government.

    Philo-Zionists and Hindus have something in common, their hatred for Muslims.
    I read somewhere that the Indian Sub continent has the greatest concentration of airborne fecal matter anywhere in the world. Talk about plague…(wry grin), and fat heads like Bannon want India to make our Tylenol. ROFL

  69. India’s Modi is eager to turn India into a full-blown satellite of the United States. The mass privatization of the country after the fall of the Soviet Union has not significantly bettered the average Indians life and his nation is unstable and dysfunctional. The Belt and Road Initiative threatens to spread the Chinese Corporatist development model all around nations Indian oligarchs see as being rivals or subjects: Pakistan, Myanmar, Bangladesh, Nepal, etc.

    This is being done for a good reason, China’s main weakness is the fact that it is highly dependent on oil and that this oil passes through the Malacca Strait, which can be easily blockaded by Indian forces. To get around this, China is building a ‘String of Pearls’ to encircle India as well as building a pipeline through the Xianjing region and Pakistan to circumvent India all together.

    The nations you talk of like Myanmar, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal etc are fairly poor countries that can easily be entrapped in debt. I do not think China will actually lift them out of poverty using its own developmental model as this would not be in China’s interests, like many Third World nations, the politicians of these countries are extremely corrupt and are likely just selling out their country.

    The Crown Jewel of China in South Asia will definitely be International Port City Gwadar.

    https://www.geo.tv/latest/163721-chinese-company-to-invest-500m-in-gawadar-to-build-homes

    [MORE]

    LONDON: A leading Chinese investment company announced to invest $500 million in Gwadar in the first phase of a project aimed at building homes for around 500,000 incoming Chinese professionals expected in Gwadar by 2023.

    […]

    Zeeshan Shah gave the example of a Chinese city Shenzhen which was a poor village in 1979 but it was developed on the Gwadar model.

    He said the population of this town is now over 30 million, its annual growth stands at $250 million.

    China is doing the same in Gwadar, its population will be going up by half a million in next six years, he remarked, adding “Gwadar offers tremendous opportunities. Once completed, it will become the most important port city in the World from both an economic and geopolitical perspective.”

    The person in the article mentions Shenzhen, but ask yourself, did Shenzhen become what it was because of geography and good ideas of a few people or did it become what it was because of th demography, i.e. human capital?

    Here is the website for the planned city.

    http://ipcgwadar.com/international-port-city-gwadar/

    And here are some photos

    Of course the key point here is that China will not just be exporting its jobs to Pakistan, but also its *labour*. This is where the West really messed up, China knows it is not enough to export good, but it also has to export people. The article says 500,000 Chinese will be moving to this city on the Pakistani coast, for comparison, in the 1921 census of British India, there were only around 176,000 Europeans. We can already see what will befall these people from this incident in Pakistan between locals and Chinese workers

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1399531

    This sort of Chinese ethnostate would not be unprecedented, there is already one closer to completion in Malaysia, in a location just across the city-state of Singapore

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/china-is-outsourcing-its-cities-on-man-made-islands-in-malaysia

    Of course all is not fine and dandy with BRI, they have faced soem setbacks in Malaysia

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/malaysia-cancels-two-massive-chinese-projects-fearing-they-will-bankrupt-the-country/2018/08/21/2bd150e0-a515-11e8-b76b-d513a40042f6_story.html

    in Africa…

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/27/tanzania-suspends-10-billion-port-project-new-blow-chinas-belt/

    and now the Sri Lankans seem to be getting cold feet about leasing our their port to the Chinese for 99 years

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3040982/sri-lanka-wants-its-debt-trap-hambantota-port-back-will-china

    Chinese are known as the Jews of the East for a reason. Striker lets his anti-Jew Capitalist feelings get the better of him and assume that everyone who is not a Jew or allied with Jews is somehow good and pure and has no bad intentions.

    Also, the Jewish subverters in the US establishment forced American aerospace companies to enter a joint venture with Israel in developing the IAI Lavi fighter jet. Of course the Jews in Israel just sold this tech to the Chinese who made it into the J-10 which is the PLAAF’s current multirole fighter.

    Stolen Jewish jet:

    given to the Chinese:

    • Replies: @denk
  70. @Mefobills

    In another thread username Kim was talking about how the Small Business loan portion of the Stimulus is basically the Banks borrowing from the FED at 0-1% interest rate and loaning it out at 5.25%. My question for you is, isn’t that what the Banks are always doing? Using low interest inflationary FED bucks to cover withdrawals? ( yes I know that’s not a proper sentence. )

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  71. I am not a specialist in finance. But here is my common sense take: if scum like Soros is against China, every decent person must be for China. It’s that simple.

  72. PeterMX says:

    I find it hard to believe that Peter Thiel is interested in advancing Zionist interests. He appears to have close contacts with Jews and maybe has Jewish friends and that can affect people’s politics but having these close contacts, including hiring Jews for his firm, I think is due to the fact that Jews now have a prominent place in Silicon Valley. Thiel was the only prominent person from Silicon Valley that supported Trump when he began his run for president and Thiel came out in favor of Trump when Trump was voicing his concerns about the US trade deficit, its endless wars, illegal immigration and saying many other things Zionists did not like. The fact Trump was unable to succeed in what he wanted to do and now appears to be a prominent Zionist himself is not the fault of Thiel. In the few interviews I have seen Thiel in, the interviewer has usually been Jewish but I don’t think he is consciously seeking close contacts with Zionists. The arch Zionist and war monger Bill Kristol interviewed Thiel but I think Kristol sought that interview.

    I have never heard Thiel express concern for Israel nor his native Germany (which he, nor any prominent German would never do, only Jews and others can show loyalty to their people) but I did see Thiel in an interview in which the philosopher Carl Schmidt was mentioned, a German from the first half of the 20th century who I believe is considered politically incorrect (he was a loyal German) and it appeared Thiel had a not unfavorable interest in his writings – a little surprising to me if I understood things correctly. To further clarify things, like Trump (whose grandparents on his father’s side were both German immigrants, and obviously spoke German themselves), Thiel, as is typical among most German immigrants to the US has never expressed any interest in advancing Germany’s interests. If anything, Trump is anti-German, but I think it is more that like many or most Europeans, when they move to the US, that is the country they are concerned about and loyal to, except when that immigrant is Jewish. Only Jews have Adelsons and many others so openly advocating on their own behalf and the behalf of a foreign country (Israel) and only Jews can do this without it raising questions as to what country are they are loyal to. Like Adelson, the other megadonor to presidential politics is Jewish and is actually an Israeli citizen and outspoken Zionist who said Israel is his “only” concern, but Haim Saban doesn’t raise any eyebrows with statements like that and no one says Israel is colluding with presidential candidates to affect the election and US foreign policy, which is exactly what they are doing, instead the Jewish media says Russians and President Putin are working to take over America and its politics.

  73. phil says:

    A lot of commentators seems to think that this is a great article. It isn’t. Striker suggests that a national command economy and protectionism is preferable to free and open markets. He says that a large trade deficit is a disaster.

    Economists general support free and open markets for good reasons. They contribute to faster economic growth. If one puts the degree of capitalism on a scale from 0 to 10, a closed national economy with a rating of just 2 or 3, as China had before 1979, is especially harmful. China’s average living standards were comparable to Nigeria, Kenya, and Mozambique. Now China is at 6.4. It is well understood among analysts that the country is very corrupt and dictatorial, but the fact that there are not regular investigative reports coming out of the country helps to contribute to a perception among gullible people outside of China that everything runs smoothly.

    Average living standards are still below Mexico’s. However, the China has been growing fast, mainly because of high average IQ and an ability to quickly adopt technologies developed by other countries, especially the US. Venezuela now has a degree of capitalism that is below 3, and its average IQ is less than 90. Disaster.

    A large trade deficit did not prevent the US unemployment rate from falling to 3.5 percent. Service jobs replaced a lot of manufacturing jobs. Wages have been suppressed to some extent by mass immigration, but average living standards in the US are the highest in the history of the world for any country of at least 10 million people. Yes, there has been increased corruption in Washington as the US Constitution was re-interpreted to allow more and more centralized control, which means that it is in the self-interest of businesses to try to influence the controlling mechanism.

    The political problem is overly-centralized control and an undermining of the Rule of Law.

  74. Yee says:

    ‘’America is going to become an indentured servant of very wealthy elites in China ‘’

    How? Are the “very wealthy elites of China” opening sweatshops in America?

    Americans are cowards. They dare not hate their own elites who financalized the economy, they’d only take order from their owners to hate China.

  75. India is key here. This is probably where Organized Jewry will set up shop after they jettison (or are jettisoned by) their American host. It’s been pointed out here before: no one is more butt-hurt over China’s rise than the Indian Deep State.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  76. 30.Kim says:

    “Next year every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will own a home. Utter bullshit. Even if you said “will have a home loan” it would still be utter bullshit.”

    If trying to convince others, it’s better to have facts that are real. About 90% of all Chinese now own their own home. Granted they aren’t all mansions, but that isn’t the point. They are not renters. Further, only a small percentage of homes in China have mortgages, in spite of Citibank’s best efforts to promote debt as a way of life. Chinese who need money for a home will normally borrow debt-free from within the extended family – grandparents, parents, uncles, cousins . . .

    China’s national government last year built another about 75,000 new homes in Tibet which they gave away free to the residents to elminate poverty, raise the standard of living, and put people into real communities. The government (NOT the “Communist Party”) does this regularly in all the poorest areas, and most Chinese SOEs build communities of new apartments and villas and sell them essentially at cost, as a contribution to the country and its people. They build and pay operating costs of new schools too.

    And so on.

    American ignorance about China is truly appalling.

    And everyone please forget about “freeing” the Chinese. In everything that matters, they are more free than people in the US. Scream all you want. It’s the truth. And they’re a hell of a lot safer and generally happier too.

    And unlike Donald Trump, China’s President doesn’t discover what he thinks by opening his mouth and listening to what comes out.

    *
    For Mr, Striker, China’s system is People Socialism. Corporate Socialism is Fascism, which is what the US is. Opposite sides of the same coin. In terms of nanny-states, China baby-sits the people, while the US baby-sits Goldman Sachs and Wal-Mart.

    Does anyone remember the cartoon ‘Wizard of Id’? In one strip, the peasants are complaining to the King, “I thought you declared war on poverty?” The King: “I did”. The Peasants: “Then why are we still poor?” The King: “Because you lost.”

    Welcome to America, the land of the morally-superior, non-brainwashed, uneducated destroyers of nations on every continent. But hell, what do I know?

    • Agree: Denis
  77. melpol says:

    Expect a famine in China as over a billion go hungry. Those that control the food supply will become wealthy. Small grocery shops will have the food and control local political power. Needed bowls of rice with a few scraps of pork will sell for a days labor. The smart and talented will rise above the pack and be well fed.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  78. @AnonFromTN

    Soros is a Jew and a finance oligarch. He just wants to colonize China so Jewish oligarchs can take over key industries. Read Super Imperialism by Michael Hudson and replace the words “finance capitalists” with Jewish oligarchs and you will understand why China is demonized.

  79. @Anonymous

    The USA only became multi racial around 50 years ago. History is not over and you have to go back.

  80. Yee says:

    “China’s main weakness is the fact that it is highly dependent on oil and that this oil passes through the Malacca Strait, which can be easily blockaded by Indian forces.”

    Who the hell care about Indian forces? Malacca can be blocked by US force in Singapore base.

    Indians are useless militarily. However, they have a very good chance to take over America and manage Americans. Managing other people is what Indians good at. Enjoy it.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  81. Anonymous[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @Z-man

    High caste Hindus and Sikhs are very much like Jews in their mentality, and appeal to the same sort of whites who look up to and pander to Jews.

    In my experience the sort of native British people who have a positive opinion of Jews normally have a positive opinion of Indians too, and usually despise Muslims.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  82. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    The author appears to be saying that to compete better with China America needs more state control of industry.

    Rather, what America needs is competitive free market capitalism.

    That would mean busting up the monopolists, such as microsoft, Google, and Boeing, letting mismanaged giants such as Chrysler and General Motors go bust when they run into trouble, while introducing tariff walls to allow swarms of new businesses, particularly manufacturing businesses, to compete furiously with one another for an American market vacated by vendors of the products of Asian sweat shops.

    That way, Americans would regain the skills, engineering know-how, the respect for serious technical education, and the competitive edge they have lost during the era of globalization.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  83. FvS says:

    What We Should Do:

    1.) Enact nationalist trade policy.

    2.) Increase defenses against Chinese hacking attacks.

    3.) Ban Chinese nationals from U.S. universities.

    4.) Ban Chinese investment in U.S. real estate.

    5.) Ban Chinese immigration to the U.S.

    6.) Ban Chinese lobbying in the U.S.

    7.) Criticize unregulated Chinese wet markets and black market exotic animal trade.

    What We Shouldn’t Do:

    1.) Just shift manufacturing from China to other countries instead of back to the U.S.

    2.) Foment color revolutions in China.

    3.) Antagonize China by sailing U.S. warships in the South China Sea.

    4.) Try to spread liberalism in China.

    Also, how independent of Jewish International Finance is China really? Jews played a role in the formation of the CCP, but I don’t know how much influence they still have. And even Netanyahu has been at odds with Soros. Does that mean that Jewish International Finance is on an anti-Israel crusade?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  84. Mefobills says:
    @antibeast

    That’s where I disagree with you because the Chinese system is highly internationalist unlike the pre-war USA system which was highly nationalist characterized by high tariffs, protected industries, domestic production, closed markets, etc. China is very open today to foreign capital but they’re subject to control by the State. Same with the Chinese market which is open to all kinds of foreign brands, made locally or imported from abroad.

    There are degrees of differences of course. These small degrees of differences do not change the category. Below are three categories that define today’s types of economies.

    1) American System: High External Tariffs/Low Internal Tariffs/Public Spending/State Money

    Kaiser Imperial Germany: Ditto
    NSDAP: Ditto
    Fascism: Ditto
    China: Ditto

    2) International Capital:

    Finance Capitalism: Low external tariffs, high internal friction for rake offs, private spending, private money.

    Bolshevism:
    Ditto

    3) Communism is a third category, but still a pyramid system similar to “International Capital.”

    __________
    The U.S. during the American System period (1865-1912) also accepted foreign capital and foreign inputs – did it not? It would be foolish to completely wall off from the world. High tariffs are to allow your own industry to develop. China uses protection schemes instead of tariffs, but the effect is the same.

    Autarky is good up to a reasonable extent. Something like what Russia is forced to do now, where Russia makes all essential goods for itself and buys what it cannot make from others. Is Russia having trouble finding masks or ventilators?

    International finance DOES NOT WANT to lose control of private money power to state credit. International finance makes its gains on international transactions. Money is power, and the ability to control its creation, and channeling redounds to the benefit of a few. What is the quality of the people who the money power redounds too?

    The Crimean war was a early example of the “international” funding a bloody war to make illicit gains.

    Buy up everything when there is blood in the streets. It is even better – even God like – if you can maneuver events from behind the scenes to create situations to then make gains (Soros anybody?).

    • Replies: @antibeast
  85. @Reg Cæsar

    Asset inflation is Keynesian answer to irrational exuberance in the face of increasing debt-to-gdp and bureaucratic complacency. Instead of Dialing for Dollars we now have Printing for Dollars by the central bank.

    Nixon was a crook and crooks are never prescient. Nixon was just greedy for petrodollar supremacy and control of the energy oligopoly via petrodollar hegemon status.

    Asset inflation borne out of successive Greenspan Puts that prevented mean reversion system wide only forestalled the inevitable. Nixon was not prescient whatsoever given that he claimed the petrodollar system was temporary as he launched the bait & switch for US hegemony.

    Nixon ushered in the tin pot dictator third world republic of the United States of America.

    Trump is the dictator and the USA owes foreign creditors $24 trillion that it can never pay back.

    If anyone thinks that the imprimatur of the USA & trust in God will honour those unserviceable debts they are mistaken.

    Neither imprimatur of state or God can redeem the fraud which is USD.

    RW

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  86. @AnonFromTN

    A and B both are bad but because I don’t like A so I must be for B … what kind of logic is it?

    This is not a situation where the enemy of my enemy is a friend because this supposed ally will do you in just as fast as it can after it has dealt coup de grâce to its first enemy.

    Caveat emptor!

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  87. @Beefcake the Mighty

    The people who are most butthurt about Chinese rise are Anglos, the Indians literally do not care as they have their spat with the pakis, the only enmity they feel towards the Chinese is because of the fact that the Chinese support Pakistan, as a sort of counterbalance to India which itself is being used by America to try and contain China.

    Anglos are butthurt because they have historically been at the top of the world, now that era is going away as the Chinese century begins.

  88. Mefobills says:
    @Ondra Hada

    My question for you is, isn’t that what the Banks are always doing? Using low interest inflationary FED bucks to cover withdrawals?

    The private banking system brought the FED into existence as a money trust, starting in 1912 with a rigged election.

    The private banking system has instability built in, and they wanted to socialize their losses and privatize their gains.

    All private central banks are the lender of last resort to the private banking system. So, central banks are the tail of the dog, not the dog. The private system is the dog. TBTF (too big to fail banks), and in the U.S., the Federal Reserve Bank of New York could be considered the head.

    New York Fed is there so that money from banking system could be swept into the stock market, to then make illicit gains as a rake off on the public.

    Private banks do not use the FED to cover withdraws, but instead private banks use the FED to cover their behinds when they get into trouble with their bets by socializing their losses (passing the costs onto you). The 16’th amendment was part of the money trust, to then tax you to bail out private finance and the corporations they own.

    • Replies: @Ondra Hada
    , @MrFoSquare
  89. @Yee

    Chinese have only managed to win a war against Third World India back in 1962. Otherwise China has a history of humiliation at the hands of various European powers and Japan, the latter of which would have colonised all of China if it were not for the Jews starting WW2.

    Chinese military is totally dependent on Russian expertise.

    Chinese are still coming to the West en masse to learn the White Man’s ways, if we were to impose a sanction on ethnic Chinese, China would fail to innovate in anything as all their achievements have been built upon European genius, Chinese have invented almost nothing.

    I don’t get why we just don’t annihilate China and other Third World countries and take over, you people are utterly useless and just serve to annoy White countries and retard their progress. White inventors are not seeing a return on their inventions as our Jew politicians just send it all off to China and the chinks take all the profits.

    Turner Diaries needs to happen soon.

    • Troll: showmethereal
  90. Learner says:

    Great article, thank you.

    • Agree: Mefobills
  91. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    Soros is 89. I think China will outlast him.

  92. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Anglos are butthurt because they have historically been at the top of the world, now that era is going away as the Chinese century begins.

    You think that the Chinese dictatorship, which is already as old as the Soviet system, will last another 100 years?

  93. Excellent –and timely– piece.

    I had noticed Bannon’s devolution into blatant and obvious hucksterism — mobilizing the plebes against adversaries of the globalist plutocrats. He was a GS guy after all, muppet-handler extraordinaire might be his nick, fits the pastiche he wears.

    Tragically, there is no intellectual framework — thinktanks etc. — devoted to the national interest in America, just variations on the pretense, in actuality serving the plutocrats; a subset of some of whom, by the way, subscribe to their own bs, i.e. some of them do think of themselves as ‘patriotic’, serving a tradition.
    They will point to Chomsky’s mostly valid assertion that America has always been run by a few plutocrats as evidence of a continuity of sacred tradition. A lot of these people are died-in-the-wool Calvinists, or have that eschatalogical imprint. They just think the universe chose them to rule, and that’s that. Counter-examples will arrive too late for their education, but their descendents may grok a bit of it, in years to come.

  94. @CanSpeccy

    Why wouldn’t it? There seems to be no internal instability and unless their economic growth comes to a standstill, then it will last a very long time.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  95. Anonymous[444] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Are you talking about kees van der pijl’s analysis.

    the article I sent you is behind a time/paywall it will be available in full online on april 20th. the last sentence of the interrupted article is

    For at least a generation, the notion we live in the era of the transition from capitalism to socialism went down with the lowering of the hammer and sickle flag on the Kremlin in 1991.

    this is not the conclusion of Kees Van Der Pijl’s analysis.

    Hope to read your thoughts once the article becomes available to you. it is also interesting that the remarks that sparked the article were spoken at Shaanxi Normal University, Xi’an, and China University of Politics and Law, Beijing.

  96. @Really No Shit

    I am no fan of Chinese leadership or China’s practices. However, the destabilization and destruction wrought by globohomos, including the Empire and its financial elites, exceeds any harm done by China by at least an order of magnitude. China and Russia act sensibly while pursuing their interests, whereas the Empire became the bane of humanity. It’s like a choice between plague (imperial elites and their vassals) and flu (China). It’s a no-brainer. You don’t need to be a fan of China or have any illusions to make this choice.

    • Agree: Sam J.
    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  97. antibeast says:
    @melpol

    Expect a famine in China as over a billion go hungry. Those that control the food supply will become wealthy. Small grocery shops will have the food and control local political power. Needed bowls of rice with a few scraps of pork will sell for a days labor. The smart and talented will rise above the pack and be well fed.

    Do you know what causes famine? It’s not lack of food but lack of access to food. That’s why famines are almost always localized to regions which don’t have access to food.

  98. @Mefobills

    Thanks. I have a follow up question. How do the Private Banks get away with creating so much credit via loans? I believe I’m not mistaken in saying that most of our Money Supply originates from Private Banks issuing loans. Is it just that they have huge Reserves or that Withdrawals are always a very small % of whats on their ledgers, or both? If the Too-Big-To-Fail Banks are responsible for most of the Money in our economy like the Bank of England admits, then how do they not run into problems providing the money?

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @KA
  99. @Just Passing Through

    The Anglos are so butt-hurt that they literally created China’s current debt-predator system, in exchange for the capitalists of the CCP pimping out their captive population as cheap labor for the Anglo oligarchs. Yes, I can perfectly well see what they’d be upset about. (Granted, they might be peeved, like Dr Frankenstein, that the monster decided to freelance, but that’s a different story.)

  100. Mefobills says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    Corporate Socialism is Fascism, which is what the US is.

    Corporatism is what the U.S. is. Finance Corporations are stock owned banks. Who are the stock owners, especially at the top?

    When Mussolini came into power, one of the first things he did was nationalize the banks in 1926.

    The Italian stock market was being “swung” with absentee stock voting. Bank insiders had been given absentee rights to vote stocks, and they were colluding to swing the stock market, and then rake-off profits to themselves.

    The Fascists were voted into power to then control the excesses of “finance capitalism.” The Itailian people were over the corporations in Fascism. Fascism, NSDAP Germany, and even Communism was a response to finance capital trying to take over the world.

    The symbol for fascism is a bunch of sticks bound together to make the whole of the country stronger, as if the sticks are stronger together as a unit, than individually. Fascism was a threat to the “international” in the same way as was NSDAP Germany, as was Imperial Japan, as was Tsar Russia.

    If you could go back in time and ask Italians how they liked their facism, what do you think the answer would be?

  101. @Anon

    Soros is 89.

    He does look like he died a few weeks ago, but no such luck. Besides, there is more scum like him in the financial elites.

  102. @Anon

    But will they outlast his tribe?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  103. Over at Breitbart they’re now claiming that Chinese are incinerating people still live at crematoria.

    I am no fan of the PRC, but the smear job by the usual suspects is going over the top.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  104. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:

    I have no love for Jews, Muslims or Chindians, they all need to GTFO of the West. The best scenario would be for a complete decoupling from China, with manufacturing returning to the US(not to other Asian countries). This pandemic gives us an opportunity to rise up and take back the country from the globalists, who are most responsible for spreading this virus everywhere, with the following actions:

    1) A new EO ordering all “essential manufacturing” to return to US soil, from medicine to medical equipment, all high tech manufacturing incl. chips, iPhones, computers, all defense equipment incl. parts and supplies. Give them 1 year to bring it all back, with tax breaks for associated cost for the move.

    2) Reinstate the “Buy American Act” dismantled by Clinton to require all federal government purchases to be made in USA, and all government employees incl. contractors must be US citizens.

    3) Using an EO, instate an immigration moratorium for the next 5 years in light of anticipated job losses. No more work/investor visas or refugees. Send all existing ones packing.

    4) Ban all Chinese nationals from entering the US to study/work/visit/immigrate, send all currently in US packing, until they pay all compensatory damages for Covid-19, i.e. the $2B stimulus. Start by nullifying the $1.1Trillion in US treasuries that they hold.

    5) Impose a 90% tax on all incomes after $500k to help pay off the national debt. Anyone who earns over $500k today can be assumed to have benefited from globalization. Lower the threshold to $250k for all those working on Wall Street, incl. Financial Services, Investment Banking and Law. These vampire squids are the foremost champions of outsourcing and offshoring that killed off our industrial base.

    6) Impose a 50% tax on all international flights both inbound and outbound.

    7) Impose a 25% tariff on all goods imported from non-OECD countries.

    It’s time to make the globalists pay for what they wrought.

  105. Yee says:

    Just Passing Through,

    “I don’t get why we just don’t annihilate China”

    Oh, must be the kindness of your heart…

    White people have killed their way through every continent in the past 200 years. I know you’d kill if you can.

    Every country has up and downs. China always makes a comeback, thank you.

  106. @Z-man

    When manufacturing moves from China to India, imports will not simply continue to be made like crap, they’ll now come covered with it, also.

    The rush to the bottom foisted on our countries by our “elites” contines apace.

    • Agree: Z-man
  107. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Come then, show me what passes for fury among your misbegotten, dying kind.

  108. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    If China is that great, why are their people clamoring to emigrate to the US? There’s hardly a place you could go in the US without bumping into an FOB Chinese, esp. in the West Coast and NE, but also increasingly in FL and Texas.

    their children will graduate from high school three years ahead of American kids

    You mean Chinese kids start college at age 15/16? Somehow I doubt that. Regardless, the quality of education must not be so great considering how many of them are clamoring to enter US universities. There are now over 420,000 Chinese kids in US universities, and most of them are not the best students, cheating is rampant. Last year 8,000 of them were expelled from US universities for cheating. Also the dream school of every Chinese kid(or at least parent) is Harvard or Stanford, not any Chinese university which most people outside of China can’t even name.

  109. Anonymous[456] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tor597

    This is hardly the place to praise Idi Amin. He expelled Indians en masse from Uganda. They completely controlled the economy of an African country. Idi Amin called them the East African Jews.

    It is worth bearing in mind that Indian indentured laborers took the reins of power in Guyana. Mauritius, although it is an island off the East African coast and a member of the African Union, is basically ethnic Indian. Because of their high birth rates, they were set to take over the government of Fiji. It was the indigenous Fijian military that rejected the idea of majority rule and took back their country. Given the chance, Indians could take over the Arabian Gulf states, as they easily outnumber the locals. And in the US, they already outnumber the Jews. With the recent expressions of Hindu nationalism during Modi’s visit to the US, a new furtive force is in the making in America. Look out fellas!

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  110. @Beefcake the Mighty

    My theory is that they underestimated the Chinese and thought that while they were competent enough to work in the factories efficiently, they were not smart enough to copy the Western tech. It came as a big surprise to then when companies like Huawei started popping up.

    • Agree: Mefobills
  111. Anonymous[776] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kim

    Devastating rebuttal, Kim, but no need to reply to morons, it only encourages them to reply to you and around it goes.

  112. d dan says:
    @CanSpeccy

    “You think that the Chinese dictatorship, which is already as old as the Soviet system, will last another 100 years?”

    One thing that most people in the west misses is the incredibly flexible political system Chinese government has. If you look at Mao, Deng, Jiang and Xi era Chinese governments separately, you may not recognize them to be from the same country or from the same party. Chinese government tries to reflect the thinking of its people: therefore they are pragmatic and NOT ideological. They remain agile when they evolve and amend their constitution constantly while taking in consideration of popular demands and changing circumstances. They are much more responsive to new developments than most of the governments in the world. US political system, in contrast, remains ossified and incapable of self-renewal or adaptation.

    I can spend another two hours providing links, examples and evidences to support my claims, but have neither the inclination nor time to do so.

    Obviously it is hard to predict 100 years from now. But if CCP would cease to exist tomorrow, I am willing to bet with 1 to 2 that the transition of power would be peaceful, and China’s rise would continue thereafter. Call me an optimist or a China shill – it doesn’t matter

    • Agree: Sam J.
    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  113. @The_MasterWang

    Whites have genocides millions, we can attain our greatness once again. What the Japanese did to you is small potatoes compared to what Whites could do. China can only hope to bet Third World India, it is totally dependent on Russian expertise and cannot advance technology.

  114. @phil

    If memory serves me, living standards in the US were much higher in 1959 than they are now. Employment in the US has become ricksha pullers and delivery boys. And the population is certainly much stupider.

  115. antibeast says:
    @Mefobills

    1) American System: High External Tariffs/Low Internal Tariffs/Public Spending/State Money

    I would call that system “National Capitalism” as in Imperial Japan, German NSDAP, Italian Fascism, Kaiser Imperial Germany because the State directs private Capital to serve the national economy. China’s State-sector accounts for over half of its GDP with the rest divided between family-owned SMEs and State-directed Capitalist enterprises. Again, China’s system is unlike those of the above precisely because its Socialist market economy is still dominated by State-owned enterprises. State-directed Capitalist enterprises are few and far in between but they might grow in number and influence in the coming decades as China becomes more and more Capitalist.

    2) Finance Capitalism: Low external tariffs, high internal friction for rake offs, private spending, private money.

    This is the current US system based on consumption financed by debt owed to Capitalists. The USA has a high GDP of $60K per capita, even higher than export powerhouses such as Germany and Japan but that high GDP is based on debt spending by government, corporations and consumers. That system has turned the USA from being the world’s biggest creditor nation to becoming the world’s biggest debtor nation.

    3) Communism is a third category, but still a pyramid system similar to “International Capital.”

    This statement doesn’t make sense. Communism is anti-Capitalism, whether international or not.

    The U.S. during the American System period (1865-1912) also accepted foreign capital and foreign inputs – did it not? It would be foolish to completely wall off from the world. High tariffs are to allow your own industry to develop. China uses protection schemes instead of tariffs, but the effect is the same.

    The USA did allow foreign capital and technology inputs for domestic industries but they were protected from foreign companies. China does not protect its domestic industries from foreign competition, unlike the prewar American System.

    Autarky is good up to a reasonable extent. Something like what Russia is forced to do now, where Russia makes all essential goods for itself and buys what it cannot make from others. Is Russia having trouble finding masks or ventilators?

    That’s a good description of the American System: Capitalist Autarky. China’s system under Maoist Communism was Socialist Autarky.

    International finance DOES NOT WANT to lose control of private money power to state credit. International finance makes its gains on international transactions. Money is power, and the ability to control its creation, and channeling redounds to the benefit of a few. What is the quality of the people who the money power redounds too?

    That’s the Wall Street/City of London model of Financial Capitalism which is the current US system where production is outsourced to lower-cost countries while consumption is allocated to higher-cost countries by incurring debt financed by Capitalists who minimizes taxes while maximizing profits.

  116. gotmituns says:
    @Robert White

    USA owes foreign creditors $24 trillion that it can never pay back.
    ————————————————————————–
    Exactly – Now we’ve got them right where we want them.

  117. @Anonymous

    Exaggerated fearmongering, the Hindus are just the Jews’ puppets as the immigrant class are fairly smart and more importantly foreign looking so the goyim will vent his rage at the wrong people.

    In the Gulf States, the Indians are just labourers and live as third-class citizens.

    As for East Africa, I think anyone except from aboriginals could dominate over the blacks. The Ugandan economy collapsed after the expulsion and the blacks couldn’t even run corner shops properly, just look what happens in Detroit when someone tries to set up a store.

  118. Mefobills says:
    @Ondra Hada

    Thanks. I have a follow up question. How do the Private Banks get away with creating so much credit via loans? I believe I’m not mistaken in saying that most of our Money Supply originates from Private Banks issuing loans. Is it just that they have huge Reserves

    Banks are not reserve constrained. If you show up to a bank to become hypothecated, you will get a loan (which is new money).

    There are no reserve constraints. Banks are not reserve constrained, they are capital constrained. The quality of the capital is you… your debt instrument… how good you are for your life energy and the ability to pay back.

    Banks find reserves on the overnight market, usually at the last minute, and at the lowest price (interest rate) they can find. If they cannot find reserves from other banks, then they go to the FED discount window and get reserves there. The FED is lender of last resort.

    Reserve ratios are set by BIS basel rules. For example, if you hypothecate yourself to buy a house, the reserve ratio is set so low, it could be your first payment to the bank will give said bank enough profit, to then stuff their reserves and hence back up their capital commitment. The rest of your life energy is surplus profit taken as interest rake off, or say the next 30 years of interest payments.

    If you ever hear the term “bank stress test” that is a stress test of the quality of the capital – meaning how the loans are performing.

    To be fair, some of bank interest does flux outward toward paying bank employees and buildings, but a large component then goes on toward speculation and insider trading. These negative flows, or channeling, have gotten even worse since Graham Leach Blily act took down Glass Steagall firewalls. (Insurance/Commercial Banks/Wall Street Banks) were fire -walled under Glass Steagall to prevent risk transfer. Savings and Loans were not banks, but lenders of existing saved money, thus protecting home ownership.

    The debt money system was constrained and in much better control with Glass-Steagal and forcing home-loans to issue through Savings and Loans.

    Finance Plutocracy has take over the U.S., and it did it with idiotic sloganeering like “free market.”

    Finance Capital doesn’t want to be constrained, it wants to make illicit gains on you, and to socialize its losses – onto you.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  119. Anonymous[458] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    It’s rare that Breitbart target anyone other than Muslims, normally Breitbart posters have a positive opinion of the Chinese because of their policies in Xinjiang against Muslims.

  120. antibeast says:
    @Anon

    There are now over 420,000 Chinese kids in US universities, and most of them are not the best students, cheating is rampant. Last year 8,000 of them were expelled from US universities for cheating. Also the dream school of every Chinese kid (or at least parent) is Harvard or Stanford, not any Chinese university which most people outside of China can’t even name.

    Those are kids who can’t get into the top Chinese Universities. So they apply to US party-schools where they party all day and night using Daddy’s monies. And, sometimes, they also bribe their way to the Harvards and Stanfords of the Western World, just so they can party with the in-crowd like the Kushners or the Trumps.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  121. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Roberts kiboshed you point for point with actual facts and yet you persist in “argument” by assertion, in other words just spouting off whatever dumb prejudices you got off of TV.

  122. @Mefobills

    It’s true that individual banks aren’t reserve constrained (they can issue loans first and acquire reserves later), but the banking system as a whole is reserve constrained. Individual banks still hold (precautionary) reserves, even in systems without a formal or legal reserve requirement.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  123. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    But will they outlast his tribe?

    Their race has been around longer than his tribe.

    Draw your own conclusion.

  124. @Just Passing Through

    What is wrong with you stooping to his level? Also the “Rape of Nanking” which I’m sure you’re alluding to in part when you mention what Japanese did to China, is a complete fabrication. Holohoax-tier but way less intellectual and physical energy went into the fraud. All of the photos used in Iris Chang’s book have been shown to be not of Nanking but other events. The Chinese did the same with unit 731, using photos from the Jinan incident many years prior and passing them off as Japanese war crimes. Completely Shameless. Today you can find in China a museum where they showcase the 300,000 ( Chinese Nanking number, not unlike the 6 million of the Holocaust ) raped and murdered Chinese by occupying Japanese forces in 6 weeks. Funny how the Chinese Nationalist Government was not talking about this horror to the Chinese and only using their paid Western shills Miner Bates and Patrick Timperley to spread this falsity to America for Chinese sympathy! Why in none of their adresses from 1937-1938 did the Chinese leaders mention Nanking War Crimes by Japanese? Because they knew that it was an easily verifiable hoax! Not so easy to verify for newspaper and book readers in America.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Troll: showmethereal
  125. Thanks for the timely and illuminating article.

  126. A very excellent piece of writing. Sounds like Eric Striker has been reading Michael Hudson.

  127. bluedog says:
    @Biff

    Seems we all know the problems but outside of a revolution there is no answer, for they learned long ago that if you can keep the majority of the people fed then they are happy, regardless of the squalor that they live in.!!

  128. @AnonFromTN

    It’s more like reoccuring coronavirus which will kill just as many people in repeat cycles just a plague would at one go … a Hobson’s Choice at best!

  129. Alden says:

    Joke going around.

    What Chinese import lasts the longest?
    Coronavirus.

  130. @Ondra Hada

    Yes. No one in the West ever talks about the Yellow River flood of 1938, when the Nationalist government dynamited a dam to slow the Japanese advance, but all it did was flood the peasant villages in the way, it easily killed way more people than could be credibly claimed at Nanking.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  131. bluedog says:
    @Anonymous

    Blah blah blah just more right wing neocon bullshit coming out of the bleachers,as of yet I have to read one creditable source outside of Trumps mouth (if you can believe anything that comes from that) that says that this originated in China, or where the first documented case came from.As far as the economy that was headed for the septic tank anyway the virus just came along at the right time to accept the blame.!!!

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  132. bluedog says:
    @Realist

    I was thinking of that when I read your post.!!!

    • Replies: @Realist
  133. Excuse my small brain. I thought I was seeing literary genius combined with screwed and knotted logic, even possible deception, till, on the BRI, I came to:

    … its exclusive focus on real assets and Keynesian infrastructure-led growth, as opposed to neo-liberal models that impose the primacy of financial “assets” and selling off your country to international corporations.

    Wow! Thanks, Eric Striker! Absolutely! US financialists killing the host, Michael Hudson? Absolutely! De-privatize? Absolutely!

    Will the Friedmaniacs ever get out of the bottle Milton put them into and realize that Keynes was right all along? That Friedman, perhaps not incidentally a Jew, was at best wrong?

  134. @Johnny Smoggins

    AUSTRALIAN COWARDS MAIN REAASON FOR LOSS OF BRITSHIT EMPIRE ARE HEROINES OF BROWN PEOPLE.
    What does spazzy mean, tell me so I can give you a appropriate response.

  135. Alden says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    If China has such wonderful old age medical care and old age pensions, why is every senior center, Medicare clinic, social security and welfare office, subsidized senior housing food bank meals on wheels full of elderly*1 Chinese that arrived in America just months before and have never worked in America and contributed to those benefits from their first teenage park rec chaperone, , McDonald’s, whatever paycheck.

    I’m not the dumb ignorant White trash bigot you think we all are Mr Roberts. I’m a very well informed San Franciscan. Ive been familiar with the importation of old*2 Chinese to supplement the family income with unearned SSI free food, free bus passes, subsidized housing all my life.

    Just one example. As non White immigrants get priority in subsidized senior housing. But they don’t move in. They remain with their families and rent out the low income government housing at free market prices. So they pay the local housing authority say, $300 a month out of their $1,000 a month SSI check.

    But they rent the apartment out for day $1,200 a month thus ripping off the American taxpayer for a $900 a month cash profit to add to their $1,00o, SSI check, free food, free bus pass, cheap poor senior rate for utilities including landline and WiFi.

  136. Getaclue says:

    I find the ChiCom apologists here a bit much, yes the NeoCon NWO types in the USA are dreadful but that doesn’t make the ChiComs wonderful as a result– they are very much on board with the NWO agenda and the NWO Globalists are the ones who basically transferred USA Manufacturing over to them for their “Miracle” of development that is pimped here endlessly as being due to their great “system” — the actual history of how things came about (just as Mao’s involvement with Yale, Wall Streeters etc. isn’t mentioned…) has little to do with the wonderfulness of the ChiCom Government and much to do with the NWO Globalists at work….– no of course the ChiComs could not and would not do anything like releasing this Virus accidentally or otherwise, just not possible we are told here and in the Mainslime Media… Sorry they could — the “would” “did” question is pending: https://rairfoundation.com/breaking-salvini-demands-answers-does-a-2015-italian-documentary-prove-the-coronavirus-was-created-in-a-chinese-lab-watch/

  137. Getaclue says:
    @bluedog

    There’s actually a video of the ChiCom’s abilities in this area that was put out in 2015 in Italy (there’s a lot of other evidence also but this is enough for anyone not brain dead or a ChiCom/”Socialist” Propagandist to at least admit that they “could” have released this Virus– accidentally or otherwise): https://rairfoundation.com/breaking-salvini-demands-answers-does-a-2015-italian-documentary-prove-the-coronavirus-was-created-in-a-chinese-lab-watch/

    — I actually came upon this Video a little while ago while researching this question of ChiCom ability to release such a Virus, accidentally or not, and found it strange it was not being referenced by anyone — I posted it here, on one of the ChiCom Cheerleading “they couldn’t and wouldn’t” articles we see popping up nearly daily now on UNZ — and the silence was deafening….

  138. Mefobills says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Individual banks still hold (precautionary) reserves, even in systems without a formal or legal reserve requirement.

    Yes, but that is a distinction without a difference. The quality of the reserves, to then backstop any loans (capital) that goes bad is what matters. Private banking has even worked out schemes to bail-in to preserve their capital ratio. Capital ratio is what they operate under now, not reserves.

    Nobody is denied a loan because an individual bank is lacking in reserves. System wide – you are right, the banks have a legal reserve requirement. But even then they have no problem finding reserves to meet the requirement. They always find reserves post facto.

    The days of U.S. Treasury controlling private banks through reserve loops are long gone. In the “old days” reserves were gold, silver, T-Bills, or Greenbacks.

    Today, bank reserves include FRN’s (federal reserve notes) which are themselves bank credit. Dollars issued from the FED’s keyboard are effectively FRN’s.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  139. @Ondra Hada

    I am not familiar with Sino-Japanese War revisionism so cannot comment, but I was referring to what the Chinese *think* the Japanese did to them. That is small time stuff compared to what Whites could do to China. Chinese armed forces are pathetic and have not won anything since 1962. They couldn’t even beat Vietnam in 1979, yet they still have the chutzpah to claim the won after retreating from Cambodia and Vietnam.

  140. @Alden

    The funny thing is, Roberts lives in Thailand, a known CIA listening post. God only knows what he’s up to there.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  141. Karl Popper was a Christian. Very much so. Brought up as one. His parents were converts. It’s a pity that people who wanted Jews to convert to Christianity still call them Jews when they did.

    That Soros called his book “Open Society” mimicking the title of Popper’s “The Open Society and Its Enemies” … By open society they meant different things.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
    , @sarz
  142. Mefobills says:
    @Alden

    But they rent the apartment out for day $1,200 a month thus ripping off the American taxpayer for a $900 a month cash profit to add to their $1,00o, SSI check, free food, free bus pass, cheap poor senior rate for utilities including landline and WiFi.

    If your country is run by an elite, who don’t give a damn about the population, then you will get the above.

    The U.S. elite want to de-racinate the population. They want borders wide open, so the historic american nation is destroyed. They want language, borders and culture to be wiped out.

    They want globo-homo, to keep you occupied and confused so you don’t look up at who your true masters are.

    The Chinese, Indians, and Mexican’s and others who work out various schemes to steal from the public welfare, well that is us allowing it, because “us” is no longer us.

    Focus instead on the real parasite. (((He))) has been plying his game for a long time. Who funded and pushed the 1965 immigration act into existence?

    You cannot fix a problem if you cannot identify it.

    Yes, I get it, most people don’t like getting screwed over, and when you see old dot heads who came to America with chain migration, and then start sucking up public moneys they never earned, it pisses you off. The same goes with Chinese immigrants or any other in-group working to self aggrandize themselves at your expense.

    • Agree: MrFoSquare
    • Replies: @Alden
  143. @Mefobills

    Not every banking system has a legal reserve requirement (Canada eg, if memory serves), so the point is that individual banks hold reserves for basically the same reason that the flawed textbook examples portray. The fact that they can acquire reserves later depends on an entity (the central bank) ultimately creating such reserves ab initio (leaving aside interbank lending and such, which is second order). Capital ratios depend on the overall market, which is not independent of the actions of the central bank. Fractional reserve banking is still at the heart of the matter.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  144. @Just Passing Through

    They fought the US to a standstill in Korea…

  145. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @d dan

    Chinese government tries to reflect the thinking of its people: therefore they are pragmatic and NOT ideological.

    I don’t disagree. Or at least I have not basis of knowledge to disagree. Back in the 80’s, a student from Wuhan set me up with a subscription to a publication called “China Reconstructs”. This I took to be a propaganda publication. However, if propaganda, it was perfectly sensible propaganda and for the most part, it probably portrayed what was actually happening in China. As a practical and pragmatic person I enjoyed reading it.

    But 100 years is a long time in the life of any nation. I was born while Britain still ruled the largest empire the world has ever seen. Today, Britain is falling apart. Scotland seeking to depart, Northern Ireland under an EU customs regime and bound to split once the Papists outnumber the Prods; while London is alien-occupied territory that would, if it could, immediately separate from the UK for union with the EU.

    China, likewise, has undergone extraordinary change in little more than 100 years: 1912, Hsian-T’ung the Chinese Emperor abdicated; 1931, Japan occupies Manchuria; 1949, China goes full totalitarian Communist; 1978, Deng restores capitalism in China.

    Altogether a pretty wild ride. I wish the Chinese people health, wealth and happiness, but they should not be complacent about the way things are about to unfold.

  146. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    And on my interpretation Popper was not a globalist, but I didn’t thoroughly read his book. At this point, considering the era when he wrote it, I think he meant “open” in contrast to Nazism and Bolshevism. THEY were the enemies of an open society.

    • Replies: @Fatidicus
  147. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Just Passing Through

    Why wouldn’t it? There seems to be no internal instability …

    Famous last words. Cf, Nikita Khrushchev 1962 message for America: “we will bury you.”

  148. Mefobills says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Fractional reserve banking is still at the heart of the matter.

    If you consider money to be the “blood stream” of a civilization, then creating bank money at fractional reserve is a fraud, and hence taints the blood stream.

    What I am saying is that the former “fractional reserve system” was in more control in the past than it is now. What we have now is worse.

    Money’s true nature is law, and fractional reserve was not lawful, nor is what we have today. Both were usurpations of the common weal.

    The first articles of the Constitution are there to say … these are important, don’t screw with me. Of course they were later modified by amendments and other schemes.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei

    The first articles were usurped including the money power, in section 8, which was given to the people through their congress, and not privateers.

  149. Alden says:

    Since about 1950, when the USA cut off relations with China because of Mao’s government, through the endless quality press articles about “ how can the US ignore 1/5 of the earth’s population, through Richard Blum and other west coast multimillionaires lobbying to recognizing China through the 1975- present moving all production to China, the commercial industrial above all financial elites have been totally in love with China, its government, its means of production, methods, environmental standards or lack of, labor discipline fast highway railway and city building, everything about China.

    The Jewish community newspapers were madly in love with China and looking forward to a Jewish Chinese coalition against the stupid, lazy, goyim for decades. I read numerous articles about the ancient Persian Jew community in what’s now Macao, Jewish towns along the old Silk Road that welcomed Chinese caravans, etc.

    There were lots of articles about how much jews and Chinese have in common; family values, hard work, high intelligence, entrepreneurship aka lie cheat and steal, enthusiasm for Jewish man Chinese woman marriages etc . I assumed that having destroyed America the Jews were preparing another invasion of their next victim, China. SOP for 2,000 years, 5,000 if you believe their bible which I don’t.

    But I haven’t noticed these articles in the last 2 years. So maybe the Chinese have notified Soros, Wall Street, City of London and Israel that they’re not welcome.

    • Agree: Sam J.
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  150. Alden says:
    @Mefobills

    I’ve identified the problem. I just can’t find any allies to help solve the problem.

  151. Mefobills says:
    @Mefobills

    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

    _____________________________________________

    Article 1 section 8. The above is where it went wrong.

    Thomas Jefferson on his death bed wanted one do-over in life.

    One of the smartest men who ever lived, had a deep desire to undo that ability of US to borrow its own credit from private banks.

    This is where the fraud of fractional reserve banking took hold, because the banks never really had the money, they created at fraud. It was a confidence game.

    Ultimately, the people themselves are guarantors of all money.

    We live in clown world now in large part because of those 10 false words.

    • Agree: MrFoSquare
  152. Realist says:
    @bluedog

    I was thinking of that when I read your post.!!!

    I have 6262 posts to your 1021. When I read your post I was thinking that only a dumb fuck couldn’t see the 5241 difference.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  153. Alden says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I don’t believe Godfree Roberts the government of China advertising man any more than I believe the latest miracle diet pill
    advertised on late night TV and the Ad pages of National Enquirer.

  154. @Beefcake the Mighty

    He says he has been “China watching” for 50 years, maybe he is some kind of Vietnam vet now holed up in S.E. Asia with a waifu? That would explain the love for all things yellow he and commentators like John Derbyshire have.

  155. The most important part the author got right. There is no curry ceiling in the USA.

    India will take 10 (most optimistic estimate by me 😎) or more years to be able to replace the Chinese supply and manufacturing chains.

    By that time, China would be done with it’s transitioning away from American supplies with it’s made in China 2025.

    The curry flavor is pretty strong in the USA now it seems.

  156. Erebus says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The 2020 GFC (since that is what it will be, regardless of what triggered it)…

    A GFC certainly, but I think we’re looking at something much bigger than a simple GFC. More like The Fourth Turning on a cocktail of steroids and Captagon.

    The West generally, and the US in particular is going to have to redefine itself. The old paradigms have fallen.

  157. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    But I haven’t noticed these articles in the last 2 years. So maybe the Chinese have notified Soros, Wall Street, City of London and Israel that they’re not welcome.

    Oh, they are absolutely still welcome, but they have to do business like all other foreigners.

    They are one tribe among many foreign ones in China to include white Europeans, white Americans, Russians, Persians, Arabs, Africans, and fellow East Asians.

    Everyone plays on an equal footing, and plays by Chinese rules. The Tribe will not find special favor, and will not be allowed any sort of power in China (but the same goes for ALL foreigners). They don’t like it?

    Tough.

    In a way, I admire China for its forthrightness. It’s message to everyone is simple – If you want to make money, and LOTS of it, China is open for business. If you want to somehow affect China’s course, not gonna happen.

  158. @Realist

    Your comments have on average less words than @bluedog’s comments.

    Average words per comment

    @Bluedog: 58.96

    @Realist: 33.34

    • Replies: @Realist
  159. “…which is why they would like your eyes on China, rather than them.”

    And why is it that you would like our eyes on them, rather than China?

  160. @Anon

    If China is that great, why are their people clamoring to emigrate to the US? Competition.

    You mean Chinese kids start college at age 15/16? Somehow I doubt that. Regardless, the quality of education must not be so great considering how many of them are clamoring to enter US universities. It means that in STEM subjects, their high schoolers graduate with the equivalent of a junior college BSc. The only ones clamoring to get into US undergraduate programs are those who can’t get into a good Chinese university and whose parents have money. Jack Ma struggled to get admitted to a teachers college.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  161. @Mefobills

    Yes. I would also say FRB is theft, as the banks unjustly extract interest from the economy (interest as such is not illegitimate, only the means by which it’s obtained is).

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  162. Mefobills says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    (interest as such is not illegitimate, only the means by which it’s obtained is

    Yes, sometimes interest is illegitimate – sorry – don’t fall for lolbertarian BS.

    I’ve discussed before systems that have interest, and it is not illegitimate. For example, NSDAP mefobills had interest paid on them.

    The interest fluxed outward from Reichsbank and toward the bill holder. Bill holder in turn was industry, so labor was paid the bill amount, plus interest. Hence, it was non usurious.

    Our ancestors, who were not as brainwashed as us, figured things out.

    https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2014/11/10/usury-faq-or-money-on-the-pill/#23

    Interest is forbidden on mutuum loans. But modern man is so far gone, he cannot discern the difference between debt types. Modern man is far gone, because he has been hoaxed with false narrative since birth. We actually believe that all debts should be paid, as all debt types are equal.

    This is why we now live in clown world, where everything seems upside down.

    In Ancient Venice, before a creditor/debt contract (loan) was made, it was examined for mutuum.

  163. fish says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Jesus….first reply! That oughta earn you a nice bonus of Xi bucks Godflee!

  164. Alden says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    There are some ridiculous headlines on drudge today. Allegedly live Chinese patients are being thrown into cremation furnaces to make room for new patients.

    I don’t believe those headlines any more than I believe anything you write about China.
    If China is so great, why can’t it build more universities and colleges to accommodate the nation of 1.5 billion geniuses?

    The USA, Canada, Mexico, Latin America western and soviet occupied Europe and Persia all vastly expanded their college community college and university systems after 1945 to accommodate the increased population.

    Iran was probably the greatest expansion of high schools and universities in a short time maybe 1950 to 1975 the world has ever seen.

    Surely 1.5 billion geniuses could do the same in China.

    Husband keeps telling me not to be so bitchy about the Asian invasion. The more Asians invade, the more we can increase the rents and less we need to spend on maintenance and repairs.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  165. @fish

    He’s working hard for the renminbi. Been red so long all he sees is green!

  166. @Alden

    why is every senior center, Medicare clinic, social security and welfare office, subsidized senior housing food bank meals on wheels full of elderly*1 Chinese that arrived in America just months before and have never worked in America and contributed to those benefits from their first teenage park rec chaperone, , McDonald’s, whatever paycheck. Because they are entitled to do so.

    • Replies: @Alden
  167. @Mefobills

    The 16’th amendment was part of the money trust, to then tax you to bail out private finance and the corporations they own.

    Yes indeed! Well said. As Thomas Robertson phrased it so eloquently in his magnum opus Human Ecology: “Taxation follows in the shadow of Usury.”

  168. @Just Passing Through

    They couldn’t even beat Vietnam in 1979,??

    That was never their intention. Here’s what happened:

    Lee Kwan Yew begged the US to kick Vietnam out of Cambodia because it was their first step to taking over ‘Indo-China’ and Lee saw where that was leading. But the US wanted out of SE Asia for obvious reasons so Lee turned to the PRC. After the PRC got the green light from the US and the USSR it warned the Vietnamese for 6 month that it would conduct a 30-day punitive expedition if it didn’t pull out.

    The punitive expedition lasted 28 days and Vietnam has still not recovered from the horrific damage the PLA wrought.

    None of this would have happened had Mao been alive, but Deng was a different cat entirely.

  169. @Alden

    If China is so great, why can’t it build more universities and colleges to accommodate the nation of 1.5 billion geniuses?

    Because competition. China has 350,000 people with IQs of 160. Jack Ma could only get into teachers college. If you want to understand just how far ahead their education system is read this remarkable story of a typical middle-class guy who failed in China and became a start at Cambridge and then at Goldman’s: The Western Elite from a Chinese Perspective. By Puzhong Yao. American Affairs.

    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017/11/western-elite-chinese-perspective/

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Rdm
  170. @Godfree Roberts

    Godfree sure gets a hard-on writing about the hellfire China unleashed on those gooks. Oh wait…

  171. @Godfree Roberts

    “ China has 350,000 people with IQs of 160.“

    And you ain’t one of them. Can you even grasp how pathetic your nut-huggery is?

    • Replies: @fish
  172. Here are the coords to Peter Thiel’s bolthole near Wanaka, New Zealand:

    -44.6942489, 169.0952533

    The citation which reveals this is here:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/88734658/wanaka-lifestyle-block-purchased-by-facebook-billionaire-peter-thiel-a-new-zealand-citizen

    The house is not anything all that special (just another McMansion, really), but what is interesting (and criminal) is that the property extends for many hundreds of acres to the west and contains the only waterfall in the entire area, something which should have been a public reserve. NZ is, however, one of the most aggressively privatised nations in the world (yes it is, but it tries to hide the fact), so such a natural feature was sold off to the highest bidder, long before Thiel ever showed his ugly face. He merely bought it from the previous owner, but the NZ government did grant Thiel fast-track citizenship –that is, without any waiting time– citing that his entrepreneurship would bring jobs to NZ. Hah! In other words, Thiel paid them off.

  173. Hibernian says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Mr. Roberts, why is your name spelled Godfree instead of Godfrey, as in Godfrey Cambridge?

  174. @Beefcake the Mighty

    No, Bargraphee Roberts is not a paid shill. He provides proof. If his comparative statistics are wrong, give us the correct figures, don’t just scream “shill”. You know? Tell us how you know.

    • Replies: @Theophrastus
  175. Decent article from the alt-right guy. Thumbs up.

    George Soros and family were Nazi collaborators. He was also one of the key players in the Ukraine fascist coup that empowered the neo-Nazis there. Soros is a capitalist/fascist. All the Nazi fanboys should keep this in mind when cheerleading for Hitler. Nazis were no different then than they are now. Puppets of the CIA and international financiers.

    This is probably what he’s referring to with Thiel. I’ve always thought the alt-right was a “deep state” and Zionist creation. This kind of stuff pretty much confirms that. Yeah, I know its Huffpost, a libtard fag rag, but that doesn’t make it not true.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/clearview-ai-facial-recognition-alt-right_n_5e7d028bc5b6cb08a92a5c48

    Heres the podcast mentioned. The two girls do a pretty good show most of the time.

    http://redscarepodcast.libsyn.com/war-room-red-scare-w-steve-bannon

    John Pilger, who does lot of damn good documentaries made this one on the new cold war with China.

  176. Alden says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    No reader of this website believes a word you write. Because your glorification of China is so egregiously over the top.

    It also completely contradicts what Chinese immigrants, students and researchers say about China.
    For instance, when I worked at UCLA I was in the cafeteria line and chatted with a Chinese researcher I knew. He said he was going to take his lunch outside to eat.

    It was 110F that day. So I asked him why he wanted to eat outside in the heat. He told me he’d just gotten back from his every 2 years month long vacation in China. And he hadn’t seen the sky the entire time he was there due to the pollution. He just wanted to see the blue sky.

    Or my friend Xiabo aka Bob. He’s about 40 now, born in 1981. He’s only 5’3. His Mom and her sisters are all about 5’4. His Dad’s 5’9.

    Why is Xiabo only 5’3? Because for the first 6 months of his life he lived on rice water boiled with sugar. At 6 months he started solids, sugar, rice water and boiled to very soft rice. They eat that sweet rice cereal in Mexico too, but it’s not the entire day’s menu, only for breakfast.

    Born in 1981, not during the famine years. His mother was so starved she had no milk for him. No other mothers had milk to share. There were no goats or sheep around for baby milk. Can’t digest cow milk till about a year old. And I guess the wonderful caring, socialist take care of everyone PRC wasn’t making baby formula in n 1981 when Xiabo needed it. Probably a good thing considering Chinese buy their baby formula in Hong Kong rather than risk the poisonous baby formula turned out by the People’s Republic of China factories.

    You may consider me a dumb White trash ignorant prole because I don’t believe your advertising campaign about China. Put your talents to advertising OTC testosterone or diet pills.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Biff
  177. denk says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    it might have been released from the lab in Wuhan accidentally, the actual “warfare” occurred later,

    2011
    The movie contagion depicted a global pandemic originated from HK.

    [[[mofo]]] couldnt forget ‘their’ HK, just happened to be ground zero for the SARS attack.

    Jan to Aug 2019,
    There was this excercise Crimson Contagion, in which an outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-outbreak.html

    Oct 19
    The Bill Gates foundation hosted a high level simulation exercise in JOhn HOpkins Centre.
    Event 201 predicts an outbreak of global pandemic which kills 65 millions worldwide.

    These cascade of ‘coincidences’ cumulated in an eerie grand finale….

    Nov 2019,
    Barely one month before the shit hit the fan in Wuhan,

    In a Netflix documentary, Bill Gates, the spokesman for vaccination and depolulation, practically primed us to be ready for a global pandemic originated from wet markets in China, which are ‘de facto factories for virus.’

    YOu like to talk prob theory, what do you think is the odd that these are all coincidences ?

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  178. Seraphim says:
    @Hibernian

    Maybe because he wants to stress that he is ‘God-free’, an atheist in other words?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  179. Alden says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Please explain why Chinese immigrants who have never contributed to SSI and Medicare entitled to receive these benefits within days of arrival in this country?

    And please explain why Chinese old people come to America for pension medical care housing and other old age benefits if the Chinese pension old age care is so wonderful?

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  180. Alden says:
    @Hibernian

    He probably spells it Godfree to advertise his proud atheism.

    • Agree: Gleimhart Mantooso
    • Replies: @denk
  181. @Seraphim

    Brain-free would be more appropriate.

  182. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    You are correct, Ann. Well said!

    Some people, it seems, “got muscles in his head that aint ever been used”, to quote the one and only John Prine.

  183. naill says:

    Well done for exposing this lot and their greedy motives!

    This is what good journalists do.

  184. @Alden

    I don’t consider you a dumb White trash ignorant prole because you don’t believe what I write.

    I consider you a dumb White trash ignorant prole because what I write requires no belief–just the ability to discriminate between anecdotes and data, and between allegations and evidence.

    And to use logic and be able to tell time. Your friend was born in a very poor part of China 40 years ago, when the US kept China under trade, finance, and diplomatic emerges. So what?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Mary Marianne
  185. KA says:
    @Ondra Hada

    UK’s example-

    “the ratio between commercial bank money and base money increased so much that in 2006 there was £ 80 of commercial bank money for every £ 1 of base money.* This creation of money fuelled much of the unsustainable credit boom running up to 2007 [ it was possibly 10-20 pound for every 1 pound in 70s]

    When banks create credit, and hence expand the money supply, whether the money is used for GDP or non-GDP transactions is crucial for determining the impact on the economy. Unproductive credit creation (for non-GDP transactions) will result in asset price inflation, bursting bubbles and banking crises as well as resource misallocation and dislocation. In contrast credit used for the production of new goods and services, or to enhance productivity, is productive credit creation

    Ryan-Collins, Josh; Tony Greenham; Richard Werner; Andrew Jackson. Where Does Money Come From? (p. 39). The New Economics Foundation. Kindle Edition.

  186. @Hibernian

    Watch My Man Godfrey sometime. The male character was a butler. I was my Spiritual Master’s butler and he gave me my name.

  187. Wally says:
    @Just Passing Through

    sad:
    “Whites have genocide[d] millions …

    – No they haven’t, and you have no proof they have.

    – Sorry, but Hollywood movies are not proof.

    • Agree: Ondra Hada
  188. @Just Passing Through

    Big talk for a race that invites aliens into their land to rape and murder their sons and daughters while living off your resources. What COULD your sick, misbegotten kind do to us, really? All I see is impotent rage.

  189. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    India, once a sepoy, always a sepoy.

    Indians have been fukus sepoys ever since the days of eight nations alliance/Opium wars.

    India has big plan , it figures that the shortest path to ‘greatness’ is thru the great satan.

    ‘George W. Bush has a cat named India. In New Delhi, about thirty activists of the Hindu Right’s political formation, the BJP, stood before the US Embassy outraged with this news. “We are not cats,” said one man, “we are lions.”

    And lions don’t lie with the lamb, or with the goat.

    Which is why the Hindu Right government does not want to make nice with Pakistan, and much prefers the other lions in the region, such as Israel, and the big lion of the planet, the USA. ‘

    https://zcomm.org/zcommentary/hindutva-and-zionism-comprador-states-of-pentagon-inc-by-vijay-prashad/

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  190. Fatidicus says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Yes, his work was in line with the Frankfurt school. Their objective was to make sure white people never act on their collective interests or in an authoritarian manner ever again.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  191. denk says:
    @Alden

    He probably spells it Godfree to advertise his proud atheism.

    Do you know whats so great about gawd’s army ?

    U.S. Brigadier General William Looney,
    ‘If they turn on their radars we’re going to blow up their goddamn SAMs [surface-to-air missiles]. They know we own their country. We own their airspace…. We dictated the way they live and talk. And that’s what’s great about America right now. It’s a good thing, especially when there’s a lot of oil out there we need.’

    With gawd like this, who needs the great satan ?

  192. 85.FvS says:

    What We Should Do:

    1.) Enact nationalist trade policy. – The US already has a very aggressive “nationalist trade policy”. Should China enact a similiar one against the US?

    2.) Increase defenses against Chinese hacking attacks. – China constantly experiences hacking attacks by the CIA and NSA. When China announced their new supercomputer that was five times faster than the best in the US, they were instantly hit with hundreds of thousands of attacks by the NSA trying to find the details for the Chinese CPUs. It happens every day. The reason you don’t know is because your media give you only one side of the story.

    3.) Ban Chinese nationals from U.S. universities. – There are at least several hundred thousand Americans studying at Chinese universities. The reason you don’t know is because your media give you only one side of the story.

    4.) Ban Chinese investment in U.S. real estate. – Americans and American companies have been buying everything in sight in China for more than 30 years. The reason you don’t know is because your media give you only one side of the story. Should they now all be banned and kicked out, as you suggest?

    5.) Ban Chinese immigration to the U.S. – I agree. Chinese who move to the US for a better life, are uninformed and ignorant. Life is much better in China.

    6.) Ban Chinese lobbying in the U.S. – This is bullshit. Chinese lobbying in the US is minimal. You want overwhelming “lobbying”, especially political, come here and see what the Americans are trying to do. They are desperately trying to change everything in China to suit their political advantage. The reason you don’t know is because your media give you only one side of the story. The US Embassy in Beijing has more than 1,200 staff, three of whom are actual diplomats and the remaining 1,197 are CIA interference and lobbyists. US interference inside China is deafening.

    7.) Criticize unregulated Chinese wet markets and black market exotic animal trade. – Wet markets are live seafood markets and no reason to ban them. There is no exotic animal trade in China, at least nothing legal. The reason you don’t know is because your media fills your heads with shit. And Americans should stop eating rattlesnakes, possums, squirrels, black bears, raccoons, armadillos and a whole lot of other stuff.

    American ignorance about America, and about the rest of the world, is just appalling. Maybe look to your own faults before pointing fingers.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  193. sarz says:

    Thanks, Eric Striker, for all the material you have put together to show this new development, the globalist move away from China.

    It looks like the split between what Saker calls National Zionists (but truly, pretend-nationalist Zionists) such as Trump and the Rothschild-led Jewish money-power faction is coming to an end. The big Jews (including crypto-Jew Trump) are as united post their latest big false flag as they were after 9/11, of which Trump was and is an accessory after the fact. (Compare his detailed snalysis on the evening of 9/11 showing correctly that bombs must have been involved thereby shooting to shit the hijacker story, with his singing, a mere day and a half later, the Judaic tune about hatred and kerosene fire bringing down a massive steel structure. 9/11 was on a need-to-know basis and one of Trump’s friends such as Giuliani or Silverstein must have clued him in.)

    It’s now back to one big happy big-Jew family, like with 9/11. The globalists are now saluting Trump’s enmity with China, as reflected in this piece in the Atlantic:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/consider-possibility-trump-right-china/609493

    Money is flowing over the big Jews in an infinite stream. The tension now is over how far the larger Judaic agenda of Bill Gates (one more crypto-Jew) of vaccine and injectable chipping and immunity passports will be allowed to wreck the economy and Trump’s re-election chances. So the scenes with Trump and Fauci.

    • Replies: @anon8383892
  194. Biff says:
    @Alden

    For instance, when I worked at UCLA I was in the cafeteria line and chatted with a Chinese researcher I knew. He said he was going to take his lunch outside to eat.

    It was 110F that day. So I asked him why he wanted to eat outside in the heat. He told me he’d just gotten back from his every 2 years month long vacation in China. And he hadn’t seen the sky the entire time he was there due to the pollution. He just wanted to see the blue sky.

    That’s the polite way of saying “I want to go outside to get away from you.”

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  195. Alden says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Dumb White trash ignorant proles don’t graduate from one of the top 5 universities in the United States, Stanford.

    Of course I got in when the main criteria was SAT test scores, not checking some black Asian Hispanic non White box.

    Rice water and sugar the first 6 months of his life and 6 inches shorter than his father. Even the poorest parts of Africa the mothers have enough milk to feed their babies for the first 6 months. Neither his mother nor any other woman in the vicinity had milk for their babies.

    It was a lifetime of starvation that made it impossible for his mother and the other women of her generation to produce enough milk to feed their babies.

    And how do you know where Xiabo was born and lived the first 9 years of his life? How do you know it was a very poor part of China? His parents actually had enough food to grow to adult hood. So it couldn’t have been the ooorest part of China.

    Dad and Mom are both Chinese university grads and engineers. What kind of a country is it that 2 engineers can’t buy enough food so the mother can’t produce milk for her baby. Africa, Myanmar, Indian untouchables, mother’s are fed well enough to produce milk for their babies.

    But non of the mothers produced milk when Bob was a baby?

    Being ignorant of such things, you don’t know the depth of starvation for decades it takes for entire towns of new mothers unable to nurse their babies. Even during the worst of the 1919/1950 food shortage days in the Soviet Union, mother’s could feed their babies.

    Where’d you go to college by the way? Eastern Arizona state? Being a San Franciscan, I probably know more Chinese people than you do.

  196. sarz says:

    Since you are being autobiographical, may I ask, are you using the term Spiritual Master in joke fashion, to refer to some sort of materialist, or was that someone from a recognisable spiritual lineage, ie, someone we would refer to as some sort of mystic?

    I include atheists among possible mystics, for example Sarmad, who was beheaded for reciting only half the kalma: “There is no God…”

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  197. Erebus says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    And unlike Donald Trump, China’s President doesn’t discover what he thinks by opening his mouth and listening to what comes out.

    Great line. I’m gonna steal it as soon as an opportunity presents. Mutatis mutandis, of course.

  198. @denk

    These cascade of ‘coincidences’ cumulated in an eerie grand finale….

    People have been regularly talking about biological virus attacks for over a decade already, and also modeling strategy exercises, because they know there are have labs doing research on viral weapons, so that an accidental release from these labs is always a looming possibility.

    I saw the video of the 201 Event analysis, sponsored by Bill Gates, featuring those multicultural actors, and the lesson was that governments were basically unprepared for an outbreak. Also, the N.Y.Times piece you linked to concluded this:

    …drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.

    In light of all that, it doesn’t appear very likely at all that agents from a country completely unprepared to deal with the crippling effects of an outbreak would then suicidally choose to initiate such an attack anyway, though some deluded fanatics appear to desperately want to believe that is what they did.

    These fanatics seem to be trying to fit elements of the July 7, 2005 London Bombing scenario – a false flag operation disguised as a so-called “drill” that went live – into the current viral outbreak situation, but this is different from that event 15 years ago. Their putative “logic” appears to be as simplistic as: Ft. Detrick research lab was closed in the summer; therefore the Wuhan virus must have come from there, unleashed at the Military Games. This type of reasoning obviously ignores accounting for the rapid exponential viral outbreak pattern that inevitably would have become evident much earlier than was actually the case.

    Yet, as I pointed out, the more important – and criminal – aspect was the refusal by China to close the Wuhan airport for nearly three weeks in order to allow the virus carriers to fly to other countries and let it spread throughout the world. From the perspective of military game theory this approach made sense to them in early January: Either China immediately closes down airports to stop the viral spread, in which case they take a big hit to their economy during the containment process because they will bear the main burden, compared to other economies; or they allow the virus to also transfer to everywhere else for nearly three weeks and have it spread from new hot-spots, in which case they will come out ahead, comparatively, because they knew all these other countries are more poorly prepared than they were.

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    , @denk
    , @Anonymous
  199. @Anonymous

    Do Sikhs have caste? That’s news to me. Bad news.

    • Replies: @Malla
  200. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Be careful with the term “free markets”. When Uncle Shlomo uses it he means the opposite, captive markets. A real free market makes regime change essential. The very problem with Venezuela.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  201. sarz says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Karl Popper was a Christian. Very much so.

    Okay. Presumably this shows up in his work. How? A lot of ‘conversion’ just switches the club from synagigue to church. The culture remains ‘cosmopolitan’. I had a friend from a converted Jewish family from one of the posh suburbs in Connecticut. She married a friend from an old WASP family whose Christianity was pretty attenuated. They were thoroughly nice people and they were great aesthetes. They went all over Europe to hear choral music. One would hardly call them Christian in any serious sense.

    I would say that Popper is fairly characterised as a Jew, because culturally that’s what he very much was. His concerns are Jewish concerns. Atheist Jewish concerns. Being a nominal Christian is neither here nor there.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  202. @Beefcake the Mighty

    China is not a debt predator. Read The New Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: The Shocking Inside Story of How America Really Took Over the World, by John Perkins, Ebury Press (Penguin) 2016. Then come back and tell us who the debt predator is.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  203. Malla says:
    @Just Passing Through

    the Indians literally do not care as they have their spat with the pakis

    B.S. As an Indian I can tell you, India and most Indians are greatly butt hurt by China’s rise. Of course the Pakis are enemy number 1 but India wants to be something bigger than just ‘enemy of failed state Pakistan’.

    Some years back, I had fellow Indians boast about how (super talented super IQ) Indians will only do all the intellectual jobs in the World like IT and export to the USA, Chinese (being dumb and lowly worker caste people) will do lowly manufacturing work & export to the USA, and (fat, dumb, loose with slutty women) Americans will just consume products and services. Somehow this triad is how the World economy will run forever, boasted many of my Indian friends, chest thumping. But when China kept on rising further, the boasters were sweating & full of hatred for China.

    Earlier we Indians would explain away the backwardness of the country by the excuse of our “big population”. But when China, a country with even more people, zoomed ahead, suddenly we Indians got some inferiority complex feelings, many felt in their heart ‘Are we loser monkeys?’ as the big population excuse was falling flat. Besides Indians will never stand China overtaking the USA in technology because according to most Indians, USA became a superpower because of “Indian Talent”. Indeed all first world countries such as Australia, Japan, Germany etc… are rich and successful ONLY & ONLY becuz of ‘Indian Talent’. As they say “Indian Talent” makes the world go round.
    Of course Indian talent fails to work in India “because of corruption of politicians.”
    So the rise of the China over the USA would be “Indian talent” failing to those Chinese and that is unacceptable to most Indians. Most Indians believe that White Americans are a fake, dumb, lazy people with no culture except sex and violence. White Americans cannot run America without the brains of superior Indians according to most Indians.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  204. Smith says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Why would the Vietnamese pull out of Cambodia at the times when Cambodia was hosting Pol Pot (an US-Chink funded actor) who massacred vietnamese.

    And bullshit, Mao wanted Vietnam too, he referred to Vietnam as once chinese territories. He didn’t invade because the North depended on him and the USSR and the US was there.

    @ Denk

    Pakistan is hostile to China, not vice versa. It’s like asking why China doesn’t make nice with India or the USA.

    China is hugely friendly to Israel as well, ever care to mention that?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  205. Malla says:
    @Just Passing Through

    BTW we Indians got nukes way before Pakistan got nukes. Indeed Pakistan got nukes as a response to India getting nukes, they had to, they were going to. And thus those nukes (many of them tested were duds BTW) has actually equalized Pakistan with India, Pakistan which was inferior to India in conventional weapons, has now become India’s equal because both can nuke each other.

    So why did India take thus stupid decision? China? Maybe? Or because we dream of being a super power. From childhood I am hearing about this theme of India becoming a Superpower.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  206. @denk

    You are the chink who is shook by Third World India. It is pathetic as India should be of no concern to China as the latter steamrolled them in 1962 and China is much smarter. Despite this you are still talking about them. Could it be to do with how this Third World pseudo-nation humiliated your paki friends in 1971 by splitting their country in 2? Could it be to do with how they took over Sikkim?

    From wiki

    Sino-Indian relations were somewhat bruised in 2000 by an event in Sikkim which challenged China’s longstanding claim of Sikkim as an independent country. The unusual event was the escape of Ogyen Trinley Dorje from Tibet to Dharamsala, India. Ogyen Trinley Dorje is one of the two rival claimants who seeks recognition as the 17th Karmapa, the head of the Black Hat branch of Tibetan Buddhism (see Karmapa controversy). The two claimants did battle in the Indian court system for control of the considerable funds collected by the 16th Karmapa for the restoration and maintenance of Rumtek Monastery, located in Gangtok, Sikkim. The Chinese, who recognise Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the true Karmapa, were unhappy about the court outcome which awarded the monastery funds to the other rival. However, the Chinese government was in a quandary as to what to do about it, as any protest to India would mean an explicit endorsement that the high court of India holds jurisdiction over Sikkim.

    In 2003, with the thawing of relations between the two nations, Indian sovereignty over Sikkim was finally recognised by China. The two governments also proposed to open the Nathula and Jelepla Passes in 2005.

    Or perhaps you are angry about this

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_China–India_border_standoff

    One can only expect China to outsource it’s fighting to the Pakistanis as the latter are much braver and have the warrior spirit, unlike Chinese who are meek and timid. The Chinese of today are also very different to the Chinese of 1962 and have been feminised and their testosterone lowered.

    Also, Chinese are the biggest philosemites

    https://forward.com/culture/344669/why-are-the-chinese-so-obsessed-with-the-jews/

    Chinese are called the Jews of the East for a reason, they are a slimy, silver-tongued devil race that will backstab at the first opportunity.

    Coronavirus has ruined your Confucius Institute propaganda operations and now you people are back to square one in trying to convince us that you are not a treacherous race.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @showmethereal
    , @Malla
  207. @Malla

    That feeling was probably a thing a decade or so ago when both countries were touted as being the next big thing, but since then China has pulled ahead and Indians realise they cannot compete. That is why they are the largest market for Chinese smartphones. Could you imagine them buying Pakistani smartphones? (if such a thing existed)

    I think many Western companies are going to transfer manufacturing to India as it says in Eric Strikers article, because they know Indians will not be smart enough to copy and innovate the product and then make their own versions like China has done. This transfer will not be some dramatic event but a slow diversification so that all their eggs are not in China’s basket. This is better than nothing for the Indians I suppose.

  208. @fish

    Your comment suggests that you trust our media, which makes you a member of a very tiny minority–six percent in fact.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/ap-poll-just-6-percent-of-people-say-they-trust-the-media-2016-4

    Not only that, but you trust them to tell the truth about something you cannot verify and which represents a mortal threat to the billionaires who own those media.

    Because China is a threat to them, our oligarchy is willing to pay good money to needy journalists, editors, authors, politicians and academics to lie about China. The money is good, too.

    Western governments pay scholars to rationalize their policies, excuse their blunders, and denigrate their rivals. Carl Bernstein[1] revealed that more than four hundred American journalists and virtually every major US media outlet, including ABC, NBC, the AP, UPI, Reuters, Newsweek, Hearst, the Miami Herald, and the New York Herald‑Tribune had secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency.

    The CIA’s Victor Marchetti[2] testified that the Agency spent a quarter billion dollars annually on non-governmental organizations, NGOs, like The Asia Foundation for “Anti-communist academicians to disseminate a negative vision of mainland China[3].”

    Udo Ulfkotte[4], Editor of the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, says that no significant journalist in Europe, including himself, is free of CIA influence.

    Publishers purvey government-approved disinformation[5], too, says Ann Lee[6], “A reporter and friend of Michael Massing[7] who worked at the Beijing office of The Wall Street Journal told him that the editors in Washington regularly changed material information and opinions in his articles. Given the twelve-hour time difference, by the time his stories went to press in the West, the editors had replaced all the Chinese interviews with statements from American talking heads who work at think tanks promoting anti-China perspectives.”

    As far as I can tell, the PRC doesn’t give a damn what anyone here says about them. They prefer to let their deeds do the talking. That is starting to pay off, too, as this suggests:



    [1] “The CIA and the Media: How America’s Most Powerful News Media Worked Hand in Glove with the Central Intelligence Agency and Why the Church Committee Covered It Up.” Carl Bernstein. Rolling Stone, 1977.
    [2] The CIA and the cult of intelligence – 1976. by V. Marchetti. (It is the first book the US Government ever went to court to censor before its publication).
    [3] Some of those writings resurfaced in 2017 when China’s censor asked Cambridge University Press to retract three hundred journal articles about a non-existent massacre in Tiananmen Square. Claiming academic freedom, Cambridge refused and the censor yielded.
    [4] Gekaufte Journalisten (Bought Journalists), Udo Ulfkotte. Kopp Verlag. 2014. The English language edition, Journalists For Hire: How The CIA Buys The News, has been suppressed.
    [5] CIA’s Mockingbirds and Ruling Class Journalists. New America.Tuesday, 25 April 2017
    [6] What the U.S. Can Learn from China: An Open-Minded Guide to Treating Our Greatest Competitor as Our Greatest Teacher, by Ann Lee, 2012
    [7] Michael Massing Edited The Columbia Journalism Review.

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  209. GeeBee says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    Well said. Regarding ‘wet markets’ it strikes me that the MSM has deliberately portrayed these as being somehow primitive, unwholesome and bad. We need not be surprised of course to discover that reality is precisely the opposite. Here in France, our local supermarket has a section where it is possible to buy live lobsters, crabs and other sea-food. They are kept on full display in tanks of water. Anyhing like this would be unthinkable just across the channel in the UK, but in France (and Italy) it is the norm.

    Contrast this supply of fresh, healthy food with all the processed junk that fills American supermarkets.

  210. @Smith

    China is hugely friendly to anyone who doesn’t sick a finger in their eye. Since the richest Jew on earth depends upon China for his wealth and is also the biggest donor to Republican candidates, it’s a smart policy.

    Pol Pot (an US-Chink funded actor) who massacred vietnamese? Do tell!

    Mao wanted Vietnam too, he referred to Vietnam as once chinese territories?? Get a grip! Mao had enough problems without taking on Vietnam’s.

    He didn’t invade because the North depended on him and the USSR and the US was there?? No, you’ve got it ass-backwards. The US didn’t invade North Vietnam because Mao told them that, if they crossed the 17th parallel he’d kick their asses the same way he did in Korea.

  211. Well this article is written by some Pro china and the comments which are written in the comment section are written by chinese who are using English names in disguise what a crap the writer sucks

  212. @Alden

    What a waste of a good education. Herbert Hoover must be turning in his grave.

    Do you think Xiabo might have been pulling your leg? The stats do not support his tale: average height, longevity, etc., all continued their smooth rise to today’s level. Maybe he’s just a runt.

    Whatever happened to him is now irrelevant. By next summer, the tables will be turned. Every Chinese in the bottom 50% income bracket will own a home and have an income, plenty of food and clothes, better education than Americans, safe streets, health insurance, a pensions, and old age care.

    By then, 300,000,000 urban Chinese will have more net worth and disposable income than the average American, their mothers and infants will be less likely to die in childbirth, their children will graduate from high school three years ahead of American kids and live longer, healthier lives and there will be more drug addicts, suicides and executions, more homeless, poor, hungry and imprisoned people in America than in China.

    Break the good news to Xiabo.

    • Replies: @Alden
  213. Malla says:

    That feeling was probably a thing a decade or so ago when both countries were touted as being the next big thing,

    Yup, 2000s and early 2010s. By late 2010s, ironically with the coming of super nationalist Modi to power, the realization set in and Indians were resigned to a China way ahead of India.

    but since then China has pulled ahead and Indians realise they cannot compete.

    And has created a lot of bitterness.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  214. Yee says:

    Alden,

    ‘’His mother was so starved she had no milk for him. ‘’

    Another one with a “Chinese friend whose mother had no milk”… Seems there’re lots of Chinese whose mother had no milk living abroad. I’ve certainly heard this story quite a few times by now. I wonder if this is one of the standard story for the dissident groups abroad.

    Really, if his mother was so starved, she wouldn’t be able to conceive, let alone carry to full term.

    I thought that was common knowledge.

    A similar example for this would be young women who go too far on a diet to lose weight. They will stop menstruating. Women don’t get pregnant if they don’t menstruate. The foetus will be lost even if they do. This is the same rule with other animals too. A drought year with less grass will breed fewer lambs.

    Anyway, I’m glad people like your Chinese friend become American, no longer Chinese. Everybody happy.

    • LOL: Biff
  215. @Malla

    The current cope is that America helped China, they do have a point as virulent Jew Kissinger sold our America’s then mostly White working class to insect people in the East, it started with Japan then moved on to Korea and now we are finally at China.

    As I have said in other comments, if we were to ban all racial foreigners from our top companies and educational institutions and also refuse to collaborate with them, progress would more or less halt on the other countries, perhaps China could keep the flame brining for a decade or two more but after that nothing will materialise.

    Look at all the research journals sorted by impact factor, they are all Western. China doesn’t do novel research anywhere near to the level of White nations.

    Anglo-Americans are the most butthurt about China because they know how easy it would be to crush China.

  216. antibeast says:
    @Alden

    Dumb White trash ignorant proles don’t graduate from one of the top 5 universities in the United States, Stanford.

    From the way you think, people might suspect that you graduated from a trailer park: the kind of gringo who drive trucks, own guns, watch porn, do drugs, swap wives, hate niggers, fuck dogs and read the Bible.

    • LOL: Parfois1
    • Replies: @Malla
  217. sarz says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    You speak of China’s actions as shaped by game theory, but your analysis of American motives just above that is is much shallower. Lower IQ?

  218. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Hence a distinction between free markets and capitalism.

  219. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    The problem (one of many) with the Team China retards here is that they fail (or refuse) to comprehend that the US and China exist symbiotically, not antagonistically (TV bits aside)

    BTW, if I had dime for every idiotic “China isn’t X because the US is 2X” statement made here, I could pay for two or three Green New Deals.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
    , @Malla
  220. Quintus says:

    A tour de force, Eric Striker! I have been waiting for someone to write a piece in the Unz Review accounting for the United States’ hostility to China beyond the vague, yet partially accurate principle of Thucydides’ trap. I have always suspected that there had to be a J./Wall Street angle to this concerted antagonism, something along the lines that the masters of discourse and finance do not control the Middle Kingdom to the same degree as they control the West. ES has shed much-needed valuable light on this important topic. We need more investigations of this kind.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  221. @Alden

    “And please explain why Chinese old people come to America for pension medical care housing and other old age benefits if the Chinese pension old age care is so wonderful?”

    Does this actually happen in the US? Elderly immigrants (no one over 50 should be allowed to immigrate in my opinion) can just show up and immediately qualify for a pension and health care even though they’ve never worked a day in the US?

    • Replies: @Rdm
  222. denk says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    YOur rant evades my question.

    You and I both know its highly unlikely that all those prior warnings happen to be just coincidences.

    When did those [[[sobs]]] started hatching this diabolical plan ?
    Here’s a clue…..
    Way back in 2008 , Dean Koonz wrote a book on global pandemic, he called it ...Wuhan 400 !

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  223. @Quintus

    Considering the US State Department has been infested with Jews for a long time, literally all foreign policy actions taken by America will have a “Jew angle” to them.

    Just remember that it was Jew Kissinger and Clinton’s Jewish dominated State Department that gave China the edge. Do you think it was goys sending out jobs to China? You think people like Henry Ford would advocate for such a suicidal measure?

    • Agree: Quintus
  224. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I also read an article somewhere, IIRC it might have been in The National Interest, written by a specialist focusing on Asian military history.

    After extensive research, it seems that China’s intention was to send a message to Vietnam, not to take over the country. So the clash was basically a punitive raid.

    Very contrary to popular belief, the PLA actually inflicted more casualties on the PAVN (People’s Army of Vietnam) than they took, something like 26,000 PLA casualties to 35,000 PAVN.
    At the culmination point of the war, the Chinese had opened the road to Hanoi with no more PAVN forces in the way, those forces having been cleared out.

    That was that, message sent, so the Chinese left.

    The whole thing was a wake up call to China about the weak, backward state of their military, having taken such losses against a fellow developing nation.

    But it was not the one-sided massacre of the Chinese that is often glibly cited by popular journalists and armchair historians.

    On a side note, normally I would consider Vietnam the underdog here, but they were also trying to carve out their own Indochina Empire by invading neutrals Laos and Cambodia, so showing themselves very expansionist. IMHO, Vietnam was not a victim here.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  225. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Whao, gobbling up minuscule Sikkim is your idea of HIndutva greatness , LOL.

    YOu missed out a whole lot more of your motherland India’s glorious achievements…..like invading Maldives,
    Sri Lanka, Blockading Nepal, raping BHutan.

    You HIndutva warriors were very brave in beating up defenseless tiny nations, but when you tried on someone your size in 1962….hehhehehe

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  226. Realist says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Your comments have on average less words than @bluedog’s comments.

    Average words per comment

    @Bluedog: 58.96

    @Realist: 33.34

    My comments are concise and logical…not inane and rambling.

    Verbosity and circumlocution are not quality characteristics.

  227. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Intelligent people do not own guns, read the bible or hate ghetto blacks? What? How stupid is that?
    As far as porn, seriously? You think your average professor in Harvard or Stanford never ever saw any porn? Yeah rite.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  228. Parfois1 says:
    @Biff

    That’s the polite way of saying “I want to go outside to get away from you.”

    That’s precious!!! In other words: “How to get away from a bullshit artist”.

  229. @Malla

    Pakistan has traditionally had the technical edge over India due to them being the bulwark against Communism. Pakistanis helped the CIA a lot during the Soviet-Afghan War. Nixon and Kissinger initiated the thawing of relations with China and so a US-Pakistan-China axis was formed. Pakistan has received American equipment while India has received crappy Soviet equipment with a smattering of French gear which is of good quality.

    When East Pakistan was on the brink of withdrawing from West Pakistan, both the US and UK sent their carrier groups to the bay of Bengal in support of the Pakistanis the Soviets also sent their navy but by that time it was all over.

    I have read that India got its nuclear weapons by misusing a Canadian civilian nuclear reactor for military purposes however they did design the nuclear bomb themselves. This is due to the fairly large number of Indian Oxbridge scientists hanging over from the colonial era.

    Pakistan on the other hand got its nuclear reactor and nuclear weapons designs by either being given them or stealing them (AQ Khan network) I have never heard about any Pakistani nuke tests being duds though, I thought all of them tested successfully.

    Anyway, Pakistanis have shown themselves to be more incompetent that Indians. India is a pseudo-nation whose foundations are built on very soft sand. They do not have a unified language, religion or ethnic group.

    Look at the rankings of countries by diversity. India is one of the most diverse and therefore should be very unstable.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level

    Despite this Pakistanis have still not managed to humiliate India and seal it’s breakup by taking Kashmir, which is majority Muslims to add salt to the wounds.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.ZS?locations=IN-PK&most_recent_value_desc=true

    Pakistan’s parity with India has come at a cost, it spends 18.5% of its annual budget in the armed forces while zindia spends 8.7%.

    Both government are likely controlled by Jews, Modi is obviously very friendly with Netanyahu while Khan married a mischling Jewess.

    Here he is with Epstein’s henchwoman Ghislaine Maxwell

    Afghan Taliban are trying to liberate Pakistan from Jewish control which is why the US just will not leave, Imran Khan came out of nowhere and is likely a Jew puppet.w

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @GeeBee
  230. @sarz

    Okay, you’ve caught me out. We’ve just moved house and I’ve rummaged through the stacks of books on the floor without finding either volume of his Open Society and its Enemies. I’m pretty sure that in some supplement at the end I’d find something very Christian. Nothing of course in The Logic of Scientific Discovery. The index of The Open Universe has no “Christ…” entry. Several in Conjectures and Refutations but touching briefly and objectively on related matters, nothing personal or passionate. Another I can’t find.

    The closest I can get currently is the section “The Approaching War; The Jewish Problem” in his autobiography, Unended Quest, where he mentions his family:

    My parents were both born in the Jewish faith, but were baptized into the Protestant (Lutheran) Church before any of their children arrived. After much thought my father had decided that living in an overwhelmingly Christian society imposed an obligation to give as little offence as possible—to become assimilated. This, however, meant giving offence to organized Judaism. It also meant being denounced as a coward, as a man who feared anti-Semitism. All that was understandable. … moreover, many Jews did merge with the population: assimilation worked.

    So, nothing personal or passionate there either, but it proves he was not a Jew.

  231. Malla says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Do Sikhs have caste?

    Officially Sikhs do not have caste but Brahmanist ideas have infiltrated Sikhism.

  232. @denk

    Speaking of big nations beating up tiny defenceless countries, remember in 1979 when China (population 1 billion) could not beat Vietnam (population 55 million)? Vietnamese liberated Cambodia from bloodthirsty Chinese backed Khmer Rouge, who actually commited genocide unlike fake Chinese tales of Japanese atrocities, and China sperged out and invaded Vietnam, China was thrown back by the Vietnamese but still claims victory.

    This is after the Americans had murdered millions of Vietnamese, Chinks couldn’t even beat a nation 20 times smaller than them who were already ravaged by a war.

    Let’s hope this doesn’t happen to Chinese ICBMs on the fateful day

    https://www.space.com/china-long-march-7a-rocket-launch-failure.html

    hehhehehe

    • Replies: @denk
    , @denk
  233. Malla says:

    But Bannon’s ties suggest he may be merely advancing the shift from dependence on China to dependence on Indian supply-chains, which is even more absurd as India’s infrastructure is awful.

    As an Indian author/scholar Mr. Jayant Bhandari sez, India will NEVA EVA catch up with China. Too barbaric, too tribal, too feudal, too backward. Whatever problems China has, multiply it many times to get the situation in India.

    Jayant Bhandari | India Is Not Next China

    Tribal India Can’t Be Fixed. Savagery and Barbarism is Inevitable. Jayant Bhandari Discusses

    According to him, India is the next Hindu version of fail state Pakistan in the making not China.

    The Indian deep State is elated with the Coronavirus pandemic and it smells opportunities in this pandemic for its gain and to screw China’s image. Even tho the Indian Government was nearly bankrupt and the economy was tanking even before the Coronavirus pandemic.
    One more thing, Indian deep state has always been staunchly pro Russia till now, even trying to balance the USA and Russia at times for the last decade but recently it has started to take a slight anti-Russian stance. Russia which had always been popular among the Indian masses for decades, is losing its popularity now. Are we not surprised, green light for India to get even closer to Uncle Sam.
    Not that China and Pakistani deep States is not a scorpions, they are but the US and the Indian deep states are first grade scorpions, both will sting and back stab each other. No wonder the Pakis are happy that USA is tilting towards India, they know how the American deep state can sting & backstab and the Americans know how the Pakis can sting too.
    I had written many times on Unz about the Brahmanical/Hindutva and Zionist deep states of India and the West resp. soul mating with each other and how it will increase further. It is all coming true.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  234. Yee says:

    Astuteobservor II,

    “India will take 10 (most optimistic estimate by me 😎) or more years to be able to replace the Chinese supply and manufacturing chains.”

    Your “most optimistic” is way too optimistic…

    India runs an economy quite similar to the US one – high on service sector, low on manufacturing. India actually is a poor version of America. There’s no economic complementarity with the two country. To put it simply, America has little to give India even if she wants to.

    What holding up China’s manufacturing isn’t some American big brands, but millions of small local suppliers that make components. America doesn’t have those to move to India. India have to build those herself. Well, if India could, she would have built them already, since no one sets barrier to India trade.

    India-America partnership is just for show. If not, then the Indian leadership is dumber than I thought.

    • Replies: @anon8383892
  235. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    the more important – and criminal – aspect was the refusal by China to close the Wuhan airport for nearly three weeks

    Respectfully but . . . that is absolute nonsense.

    No one on the scene, or in the world, knew anything at all about this new disease. There was NOTHING known off its origin, of who patient zero was, of its transmission, of its infectiousness, or of its course and progression.

    So far as was medically known at the time, it came from a market selling freshly-slaughtered animals as food, a human had eaten an animal and gotten sick, it could not be transmitted among humans, and for someone to be contagious, he or she had to be showing symptoms. ALL of those things, every last one, turned out to be 100% wrong.

    In light of that, the Wuhan and national authorities instituted immediate and effective contact tracing and testing, looking for patterns. The expectation was that the one thing in common that infected people would have was a trip to the market, where they would have gotten it.

    When a single cluster of IIRC 8 infected people, none of whom had gone to the market in the last month was detected, the possibility of human-to-human transmission was clear.

    Almost no time elapsed from that detection, maybe 1 or 2 days at most, to the total quarantine of Wuhan with no notice to its residents. This was followed almost immediately by the lock-down of the whole province of Hubei, and then of the isolation of any and all parts of the whole country as needed.

    China could have done even better, quarantining Wuhan in early January, jumping the gun with no info, instead of the end of the third week. That would have helped the world, but perhaps not by much. Remember, it’s not known where Covid19 cames from, not to this day.

    The much better question is: what did the U.S. government do, at the national, state and municipal levels, from January 23 until a week ago, to prepare for Covid-19?

    The Chinese government fumbled then acted effectively, ours saw the catastrophe coming from miles away, and did nothing.

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  236. @Godfree Roberts

    Lee Kuan Yew is a liar. The story about Soviet Union use Vietnam to invaded the whole South East Asian is nothing more than a hoax. From what I learn from my Vietnamese history and Vietnamese veterans, Vietnam never had any intention to invaded the whole South East Asian (This is insane), Vietnam is an independent country not part of Soviet Union then Soviet technically did not have right to turn Vietnam into a invasion spot. Vietnam wanted peace instead.

    About the diary, let me tell from what I understand: normally, people just write diary for themselves only to keep remind that what they truly have done, think, feel, etc. and they never share diary to anyone. Published diary is often problematic in honest and ethical, I mean the people who publish their own diary would not have guts to told their wrong doings. This is reason why I say if people trust Lee Kuan Yew diary then they should trust the 9/11 official narrative.

    The reason China withdrawn from Vietnam in 1979:

    [MORE]

    1. International pressure especially the Soviet Union

    2. Chinese soldiers fighting quality was completely inferior to North Vietnamese Militant (Combination of Vietnamese Arm Polices, Militant, and low number of border soldier more correctly). Chinese “human sea” tactics causes many Chinese soldiers death for nothing. Even Chinese blogs or Sohu admitted that the invasion on Vietnam in 1979 was a Chinese shameful and military disaster. Usually, 10 Chinese solders died to kill 3-5 Vietnamese Soldiers. Vietnam also called the OFFICIAL Soldiers from Cambodia to fight the Chinese army. Chinese army went to Vietnam deep more then die more.

    3. Majority of Chinese general had no experience since the Korean War meanwhile Vietnamese military had so much experience thank for the constantly year of war. Few example:

    a. Deng Xiaoping also said when he plan to attack “Little Imperial Vietnam”, big mouth: Breakfast at Hanoi, Lunch at Hue, Dinner at Saigon.

    b. Xu Shiyou, the notorious general that causes many Chinese Soldiers died, overconfident said: Just take two hours to take the whole Hanoi.

    c. Many Chinese Soldiers used tank to carry them and they even tied their luggage into the tank to avoid being fall off from the tank, and many cases that whole of the tank and soldier died when they ‘ate’ the Bazooka (or something like that) from Vietnamese Militant.

    d. Chinese did not dare to use their air force during the February, 1979 because Vietnamese Air Defense was more experience than China Airforce (Vietnam shoot down B52).

    4. Deng Xiaoping invaded Vietnam:

    a. By US order (suggestion), to prove that China was new friend to US.

    b. Try to save the Polpot (Polpot was a half-Chinese himself, China funded Polpot same to China funded Mujahideen).

    Vietnam MUST INVADED AND INSTALL PRO VIETNAM GOVERNMENT INTO CAMBODIA because Vietnam cannot survive with two hostile regime, China in North and Khmer Rogue in South. Khmer Rogue invaded Vietnam first in May 4, 1975 Phu Quoc island in the Gulf of Siam, and massacred 500 civilians. You can read more for detail:

    https://thesaker.is/special-report-vietnam-between-the-us-russia-and-china/

    According the Vietnamese Military White Book: “Vietnam-China Relationship During 30 years” that is published in April 1979, China was the want to invaded the whole South East Asian to build a China Empire, this is reason why China want to keep Vietnam weak as much as it can like divided Vietnam because the main point here they wanted to do anything they wanted without being interfere and this is reason why China had made good deal with US on the 17th Parallel because they want to invaded the whole South East Asia with being interfere by US. Who know what China would do if the plan success?

    Read here and use translation software or ask someone else who speak Vietnamese to explain to you:

    https://sachhiem.net/LICHSU/NXB_ST/NXBSuThat.php

    From the way you think and response, I have to give you feedback on this (being criticize more exactly):

    You read Chinese historical record and understand them so greatly but you are completely failed to investigate what truly happen behind the historical records (behind the curtain) or mental (Personalities and traits) of the Chinese Leaders. You trust the Chinese record immediately without consideration or investigate.

    For example, historical records said that Ho Chi Minh agreed with Mao Zedong about Vietnam 17th Parallel many people think or conclude immediately that Ho Chi Minh trusted Mao Zedong. However, this is a “beautiful curtain”, Ho Chi Minh and Mao Zedong always had the conflicted at each other behind the curtain, Ho Chi Minh agree with 17th Parallel because he could not destroy Vietnam-China peaceful relationship and both leaders did not dare to contradict themselves in front of commoners. This is reason why Ho Chi Minh entrust his second hand Le Duan, the person that Vietnamese said “Ho Chi Minh is number one then Le Duan is number two”, to handle many important things especially on preventing China influence on Vietnam during the Resistance War Against US.

    The problem here you are being stuff on the believe “China is 100% Pure like Gods or Deities”. This is reason why you seem trust anything that protect on China.

    I know my feedback is pretty ad-hominem to you but this is the problem you have. I’m so sorry but I have to inform you that if you keep believe anything that have “protective on China” elements like Lee Kuan Yew diary then you are a crazy China fanboy (Same to Kpop fan) or toxically, a Sinophilia.

    I’m so sorry for my harsh language but I have to tell you what wrong with you.

    • Replies: @Malla
  237. Malla says:
    @Just Passing Through

    I have read that India got its nuclear weapons by misusing a Canadian civilian nuclear reactor for military purposes

    Yup but strangely Canada still remained very friendly to India even after we breached their trust. India truly is a teflon nation.

    I have never heard about any Pakistani nuke tests being duds though,

    No, some of the Indian nukes tested in the desert might have been duds or the output was much less than claimed.

    Anyway, Pakistanis have shown themselves to be more incompetent that Indians.

    Total failed state. Unless they get saved by CPEC.

    Both government are likely controlled by Jews,

    Yup.

    • Replies: @KA
  238. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    After the beating you got from China, you silly HIndutva took solace in the western./VN agitprop….’China was beaten by VN IN 1979′; even sent your top brass to understudy in Hanoi from those military genius, LOL.

    In 1962, the PLA routed the jawans in no time, with Delhi in sight, the Chinese declared mission accomplice and withdrew.
    In 1979, the PLA could’ve marched to Hanoi
    after demolishing the VN, again it voluntarily withdrew, mission accomplish.

    There’s a difference tho.
    The pLA advance in Nam met stiff resistance from the VN, who’r much more tougher fighters than your HIndutva jawans.
    The PLA took some serious casualties by they prevailed in the end, hell, the PLA were the mentors of the VN PLA. after all !

    Its silly Hindutva like your ilks who keep wallowing in the ‘China beaten by VN fairy tale’ to soothe your bruised ego.

    hehhehe

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
  239. GeeBee says:
    @Just Passing Through

    ‘Imran Khan came out of nowhere and is likely a Jew puppet’

    Well he certainly married one (Jemima Goldsmith)

  240. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    What was it you say in an earlier thread ?

    Im not a China basher.

    I want China to rise to the top.

    What a lying piece of cow dung, !

  241. @denk

    You and I both know its highly unlikely that all those prior warnings happen to be just coincidences.

    Aside from the Hollywood movies, which tend to sensationalize anything imaginable to screenplay writers and producers, these kind of contingency events you alluded to have likely been held with such regularly (planned and not coincidental) that many officials did not even take them seriously any longer, if they ever did, thinking that they would deal with it once something like that ever happened.

    You seem convinced that there must be some direct yet unspecified causality of these events associated with the outbreak of the Wuhan virus, that because there had been prior warnings about the possibility of another pandemic, that somebody simply decided to intentionally make it happen, simply for the thrill of it, I suppose, though I have seen no specific indications that this release was nefarious. It’s just wild conjecture, far too vague.

    Compare that with the 9/11 event, after which it was possible for critical observers to know within half a day who was behind it.

    • Replies: @denk
  242. KA says:
    @Malla

    Pakistan has about 3 millions low pay menial immigrant workers in Saudi
    It has another 2 millions in UAE Kuwait and Qatar .

    Pakistan is always afraid of being flooded with these migrants workers on a days notice by Arab . Pakistan can’t escape USA- Israel . Saudi will send th migrants home and destabilize Pakistan

    .

    • Replies: @Malla
  243. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Intelligent people do not own guns, read the bible or hate ghetto blacks? What? How stupid is that? As far as porn, seriously? You think your average professor in Harvard or Stanford never ever saw any porn? Yeah rite.

    You didn’t get my sarcasm, did you?

    • Replies: @Malla
  244. @denk

    See @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN’s comment regarding the Sino-Vietnam war. “China beat by VN” is reality and not a fairly tale, perhaps you are getting this confused with an *actual* fairy tale, that of the “Four Great New Chinese Inventions”,

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2106865/talent-invention-chinas-media-tries-lay-claim-other-countries

    In August 2017, Xinhua described high-speed rail, electronic payments, bike sharing and online shopping as China’s “four great new inventions”. However others pointed out that none of the four were actually invented in China, with modern high-speed rail originating in Japan in 1964, e-payment systems originating in the United States in the 1990s, bike sharing invented in Europe in the 1960s and online shopping invented by the Briton Michael Aldrich in 1979.

    Will Chinese be claiming they invented the iPhone next?

  245. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    You didn’t get my sarcasm, did you?

    Not that I was interested. You did not get the gist of my post.

  246. Malla says:
    @KA

    Thanks, very interesting. Never thought of that.
    Yeah if the Arab states did that, it would truly be a disaster for them. Pakistan seems screwed big time, their only hope is if CPEC works but again, there is the risk of debt to China.

  247. @Just Passing Through

    “ Will Chinese be claiming they invented the iPhone next?”

    If they don’t, Godfrey Roberts will.

    • Replies: @denk
  248. @Malla

    What caste is the leadership of the current Indian government? Also am I right in saying that you area Muslim from South India?

    Is it true that Muslims in India are more loyal to Pakistan like Jews in the West are more loyal to Israel? Is Hindu nationalism actually working in forging a common Indian identity?

    I have heard conflicting reports, some say Modi will usher in the balkanisation of India while others say he is preventing it. Would like to get a first-hand opinion of someone who lives there.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
    , @Malla
  249. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Hey Patel, you lying piece of cow dung,

    Can you offer evidence to back up black sheep’s claim , else its just hot air. ?

    About that space mishap,

    I really admire your Hindutva gall, after stabbing China’s back many times, Bharat has the cheek to apply for a seat in the up and coming Chinese space station !
    hehehehhe

  250. @denk

    It should be noted that the war did not end afterward, either.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflicts,_1979%E2%80%931991

    China continued her campaign with increasing success over the decades. Someone more observant would note that this is one reason why the Vietnamese were so bitter about Chinese incursions, because even the “war” was over, they continued to be forced to fight a long and costly war with a “peacetime” China.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/1979-sino-vietnam-war-was-crucible-forged-chinas-new-military-110951

    The two regiments assigned to assault Zheyinshan fared better. Flexible command allowed the attacks to be postponed until the opportune time, and the attack was a great success, with all Vietnamese positions being captured. The divisional commander in charge of those regiments was soon promoted to command the Eleventh Army, and the attack was cited as a textbook example of what the PLA could now accomplish.

    The Vietnamese launched counterattacks in the MD-84 Campaign in an attempt to reclaim the positions they lost in the Laoshan offensive. Counterattacks occurred against the Chinese positions at Laoshan throughout June and July. After-action reports from these offensives suggest that Chinese military modernization proved to be a possible reason for success. Vietnamese veterans recalled being shelled by Chinese artillery even at nighttime, due to the deployment of new Chinese night-vision devices to the frontline. In addition, Chinese logistics achieved new levels of efficiency. One Chinese artillery commander remarked that in repelling the counterattacks, he could execute as many fire missions as he wished without worrying about ammunition supply for the first time in his career.

    Although costly on a tactical level, from a strategic level, China has accomplished basically everything she sought for in Vietnam.

    • Agree: denk, Godfree Roberts
  251. @Anonymous

    Almost no time elapsed from that detection, maybe 1 or 2 days at most, to the total quarantine of Wuhan with no notice to its residents.

    Your comments do not withstand closer scrutiny.

    Here is an entry in a timeline provided by China “apologist” Godfree Roberts in a parallel thread:

    Jan. 3, 2020–China reports 44 suspected patients with the mystery pneumonia. National Health Commission classifies it as a highly pathogenic, orders all labs without high pathogen licenses to destroy or transfer samples to secure labs.

    If it the pneumonia was was so mysterious, and biological labs were given specific orders, the proper precautionary measure on that date would have been to close the Wuhan airport immediately.

    In another entry for January 9, even the WHO had put out a public warning, which I had linked to days ago in a different thread, and indicated that passengers at other international airports coming from Wuhan had also shown similar symptoms.

    One could argue whether it was justified to have closed the Wuhan airport on January 3, based on the information that was internally available then already, or January 9, at which time authorities had a clear duty to close the airports, but the fact remains that they didn’t, and in mid-February plenty of local bureaucrats were officially “demoted” by Leader Xi.

    I had written that China is primarily responsible for having allowed or encouraged the virus to spread to the rest of the world. There are plenty of politicians in various countries who are secondarily responsible for their negligence in taking adequate defensive measures.

  252. @denk

    He’s not Hindu, he’s a wignat, and not a person worth spending time on. This is his type.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-alt-right-is-dead/

    As TPM reported, Heimbach, 26, was arrested early Tuesday morning and charged with one felony count of domestic battery in the presence of a child under 16, and one misdemeanor count of battery.
    The arrest followed a bizarre sequence of events stemming from an extramarital affair Heimbach was conducting, according to the police report.

    The white nationalist leader is married to Brooke Heimbach, the step-daughter of Matt Parrott, the Traditionalist Worker Party’s chief spokesman. Matthew Heimbach was also carrying on an affair with Parrott’s wife, Jessica Parrott. Per the police report, when Brooke Heimbach and Matt Parrott confronted Matthew Heimbach about the relationship, Matthew physically attacked both of them.

    The group all live in the same trailer park compound in rural Paoli, Indiana, where the Traditionalist Worker Party is based. In statements to the police, all four listed their professions as “white nationalists.”

    As my friend Karlin quipped, “Only the very best people.”

  253. @denk

    Let’s not play this game of “give me proof”. The Khmer Rouge were Chinese backed monsters who were swept away into the pages of history by the Vietnamese. This resulted in border clashes and China ultimately having to withdraw having failed to capture Cambodia and re-install it’s puppets.

    Also, it is rather telling you think O am an Indian, I suppose that US containment strategy using India as a pawn must be getting to the 50 cent army, you are truly neurotic when it comes to Indians, you have accused me of being an Indian in this thread for absolute no reason at all, perhaps it was because I exposed your governments One Belt, One Road project for what it really is, this is what really annoyed you.

    Looking back at my original comment, it is obvious to anyone that I was in fact admiring China for its recognition of the necessity of exporting it’s people as well as it’s goods to truly gain power. Yet you for some reason got triggered by this?

  254. denk says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Your application for a seat in the Chinese space station has been rejected.

    Sorry about that. 🙁

  255. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    China didnt invent high speed rail, but it
    built up its own from zero to world’s no 1 in a mere decade.

    As for your motherland India, I heard its collaboration with jp to build Shinkanxian is not going on too well ?

    hehehhe

  256. @Just Passing Through

    Incorrect, China achieved her goals despite abysmal tactical performance.On a strategic level, however, China could and did force Vietnam to capitulate(something that the Vietnamese have never been happy about).

    Armed conflict only ended in 1989 after the Vietnamese agreed to fully withdraw from Cambodia. Both nations planned the normalization of their relations in a secret summit in Chengdu in September 1990, and officially normalized ties in November 1991.

    Cambodia is one of the most pro-Chinese SEA nations.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2018-08-17/cambodias-troubling-tilt-toward-china

    https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/cambodia-backs-china-hong-kong-protests

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Cambodian

    So in sum: you’re totally wrong. But that’s typical.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  257. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Prove that VN defeated China in 1979, idiot.

    obvious to anyone that I was in fact admiring China for its recognition of the necessity of exporting it’s people as well as it’s goods to truly gain power

    What a lying piece of shit.

  258. fish says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Perhaps it should be Manservant Godflee…..dressed snappily in his traditional Chinese garb…..tending the masters garden and always happy in his place!

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  259. @Daniel Chieh

    But on the other hand Vietnamese troops remained in Cambodia, which was the primary reason China attacked in the first place, so…

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  260. @fish

    He’s a white coolie, definitely.

  261. @Beefcake the Mighty

    As noted, Vietnamese troops ultimately were not able to remain. Vietnam also had to return all border lands in 1999 to China, while having to also lose the Paracel and Spratly Islands. Cambodia moved solidly into the pro-Chinese camp to this day.

    Its difficult how to see it isn’t a total strategic victory in the long run.

    All Chinese goals have been realized at this point. No Vietnamese goals have been realized, while strategic locations had to be ceded.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  262. @Daniel Chieh

    So 10-20 years after the fighting ended, Vietnam finally cleared out? Yes, you’re right, a smashing Chinese victory! It’s a bit like saying Germany “really” won WW2 because of Germany’s current control of the EU. Apparently “long run” is very long indeed.

  263. @Beefcake the Mighty

    That was my point, though; trace up the links. The fighting didn’t totally end in 1979, it ended in 1991 so the connection to Vietnamese withdrawal is a lot clearer.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflicts,_1979%E2%80%931991

    This is actually a significant point of Vietnamese bitterness, because China was basically opened up to the world by the 1980s and onward, doing “normal business” with the world and expanding economically, while Vietnam had to put a significant amount of treasure and attention until they couldn’t take it anymore.

    So despite abysmal military performance in the beginning, China got exactly what they wanted. WW2 comparison is inaccurate, China really lost nothing of the like: no cities destroyed, no government collapse, and no depopulation.

    It was in fact, a single continuous Chinese policy that essentially got them exactly what they wanted. Notably, dragging things out over a long time and relying on essentially a form of economic/attention attrition warfare and low-level aggression is, more or less doctrinal Chinese strategy. You can see the same pattern right now over the South China Sea strategy.

    • Agree: antibeast
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  264. Sam J. says:
    @phil

    “…Economists general support free and open markets for good reasons. They contribute to faster economic growth…”

    Maybe but the question is “for who”. It’s certainly not for the average person. And what we have is certainly not some free and open economy.

    Thee are at least four economies that have followed a different path that we can go by. The USA in our earlier years, Germany under Hitler, Japan after the war and China. All have had excellent economic growth and dramatic rises in the standard of living for their citizens. I’m not saying I want their system but I sure don’t want what we have now which is eventual guaranteed peonage for everyone not connected. It wouldn’t hurt to nationalize many of the large scale functions in the economy. California used to have one of the best electric systems in the world now they start fires from zero maintenance that cost the citizens billions of dollars and no one goes to jail. The banks loot us in the most elaborate ways. Plenty of large scale projects can be run by governments. Maybe not at maximum efficiency but there not likely to burn down the whole city like the private electrical service in California either.

  265. @Beefcake the Mighty

    And in fact, playing on the long-run is very much Chinese strategy as well. I discount notions of extremely long runs(20 or 100 year strategies), its not really like Made in China 2025 has been a smashing success – though it has had its successes. However, the Chinese government is aware that they’re able to keep focus for longer, though, for say five or seven years; most rivals can’t seem to stay on track on anything for more than two years, if that.

    Democratic nations with their need for elections, campaigns, financing, etc, get distracted even faster.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  266. naill says:
    @Anon

    Please explain how this might be even possible, o gullible one.

  267. @sarz

    He was genuine Realizer who benefited from a prominent spiritual lineage but transcended its limitations (emphasis on subtle yogic phenomena).

    • Replies: @sarz
  268. @Tor597

    The main problem with India is that the Raj was a British construct. To this day they are still trying to figure out what their nation should be.

  269. @Just Passing Through

    You’re a bit late. India was balkanized in 1947. Most Muslims didn’t want it.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  270. @Just Passing Through

    The Khmer Rouge were such monsters that, in 1978, I recall, George McHovern, arch-peacenik and 1972 Democrat presidential candidate, was calling for the US to take active military action against them.

  271. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    This much is well known to serious analysts.

    Basically, the Chinese military performed poorly, especially in the early stage. But the clashes continued at a lower intensity, and the PLA learned and performed markedly better as time went on.

    But it wasn’t the Chinese army that was decisive, they were but the visible tool. It was the Chinese state that slowly wore down the Vietnamese state.

    It didn’t help Vietnam that China became an efficient market economy, while Vietnam chose to stick with Communist doctrine.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh, antibeast
  272. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    The Muslims in Muslim heavy areas didn’t want it and formed the Dominion of Pakistan which consisted of West Pakistan and East Pakistan (now known as Bangladesh)

    By 2050, India will have the largest population of Muslims in the world, around 170 million Muslims still reside in India.

  273. Great article
    I’m waiting to see how long unz can hold out before all out deep state subversion.Aside from these financial attacks bear in mind too that deep state is also gearing the west up for actual attacks on China and allies. Fake news of such old trick, absurdly stupid nature has come out of Breitbart recently that one wonders how anyone literate can believe it.

    There was an article stating that the CCP were throwing live corona patients into incinerators (in Wuhan) .No evidence just old file photos of incinerators and a photo on a pile of really out dated cell phones said to be belonging to the victims. This is such lame ZOG propaganda I’m surprised even Breitbart would stoop to that level. Live people in ovens , they’re banking on the hope that enough people still believe that was true in WW2 . Next up is the pile of old phones, just like the shoes at Auswitz museum.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Anonymous
  274. It isn’t only workers who can be replaced by automation and AI, but private economic planners, aka capitalists.

    That nonsense belongs in the same trash-bin as Zeitgeist (which is the same thing, but viewed positively).

    Economic planning fails because there is no way to forecast consumer preferences or sector-level technological change.

    Take something as simple as a decision about whether to grow coriander (cilantro) or parsley: they are very imperfect substitutes as final goods. The production process that generates them can be transformed from one to the other pretty much 1:1 – they have the same (approximate) input cost.

    To make an ‘AI’ decision about how much land to dedicate from one vs the other, depends on expectations about relative prices – and not much more than that.

    Relative prices, however, depend on consumer preferences: you could produce coriander at half the price of parsley, but if fuck-all people wanted fresh coriander you would be wasting your time (in that market: obviously you could let it go to seed and mitigate your losses by selling the seeds).

    And the relative flexibility of the production process is conditional on current technology: that might not be the optimal technology for one or the other, and it’s not possible to forecast changes in technology that might reduce the cost of production of one relative to the other (in which case the input cost bundle for each would diverge).

    Forecasting changes in consumer preferences and technological change is pretty much impossible – even for something as basic as fresh herbs.

    The best sector-level CGE modelling think-tank in the world is the Centre of Policy Studies (now at VUT, formerly at Monash University).

    They’re the guys who built China’s CGE model and trained China’s CGE modellers (both in the 90s, when I was there as a grad student and Junior Minion/Factotum). The Chinese government took them very seriously. Later, the CoPS team built USAGE – the US ITC’s CGE model of the US.

    (Interestingly, when I was there we also trained a few people from the CIA’s Joint Warfare Analysis Centre – quite talented PhD economists whose role at JWAC involved getting a handle on how war affects the economies of both participants).

    Anyhow… point is that forecasting the pattern of production requires forecasts of technological change (on the production side, and also for intermediate demand – e.g., coriander in restaurants) and consumer tastes (on the final demand side).

    That shit is hard, and the way those things are forecast is labyrinthine and fudge-factor-ish.

    I love AI (e.g., DL and ML done right – which is rare in HelloWorld-world); I’ve been a fan of it since the 90s (the old ‘expert system’ days when it was about trying to process-ify things).

    If it was remotely possible to forecast consumer tastes using ML or DL, I would be all over that shit – even though I have no desire to be in academia.

    Instead, we are up to our ball-sacks in charlatans who pretend that it can be done.

    In general, what is produced is poorly-executed OLS (ML) and poorly-executed PCA (DL) – where the confusion matrix is the primary model validator, and nobody gives a fuck if the statistical properties are garbage.

    The end result is that AMZN’s recommenders – coded by HelloWorld bindhis – wind up suggesting refrigerators when you just bought a fucking refrigerator; headphones when you just bought fucking headphones. Same with AliExpress, Baidu etc.

    • Thanks: Godfree Roberts
  275. Malla says:
    @Just Passing Through

    What caste is the leadership of the current Indian government?

    The Indian deep state has always been brahmanical.

    Also am I right in saying that you area Muslim from South India?

    Actually I am a Hindu from North India.

    Is it true that Muslims in India are more loyal to Pakistan like Jews in the West are more loyal to Israel?

    Some Indian Muslims are loyal to Pakistan. The loyalty of Indian Muslims to India is always suspect whether it is justified or not.

    Is Hindu nationalism actually working in forging a common Indian identity?

    In some ways yes, in some ways no. In some ways it may be breaking India apart.

    I have heard conflicting reports, some say Modi will usher in the balkanisation of India while others say he is preventing it.

    The idea that Modi will balkanise India further is Pakistani deep state analysis which may be true.
    Listen, irrespective of the fact that the British created this modern conglomerate of India, except a few regions on the borders of India (Kashmir valley, North East Region and maybe the Sikhs in Punjab) there was not much risk of India breaking apart. Most people in the regions outside the above mentioned areas were happy to be part of India. India is a federal state, very EU like in demographics and ethnic diversity and the tendency has been to give each and every ethnic group its own state, its own polity, within the Indian Union. And that had/has kept everybody happy. Of course you always have new ethnic groups wanting their own state from a larger current state but with time such statehoods may be granted. but obviously there are many political calculations (political parties, votes etc…) in deciding such moves.
    The Maoists in the central regions of India, who are fighting the Indian State are not secessionists, they are tribals who are angry at rich Indian oligarchs looting out forests regions without sharing that loot with the forest tribals.
    But most people are happy to be in the Indian Union. The fear of the outsider (Pakistan, West, Islamic World, China, Whole World) wanting to destroy and break India, an idea promoted by the deep state in the population further creates an emotion of unity amongst the people. But pushing Hindutva or North Indian Hindi language will alienate Muslims, Kashmiris, North Easterners who are predominantly Christians, Sikhs in Punjab, South Indians as a whole who oppose Hindi been made into a national language. The Hindu fundamentalists eventually want English kicked out of India and want it replaced with Hindi. South Indians and North Easterners oppose this move, South Indians preferring English as a national language as they consider pushing Hindi as a type of North Indian colonialism.
    Anyways the Hindu fundamentalist BJP came into power by bringing the lower caste Hindus on board by targeting Muslims. Traditionally mostly upper caste Hindus like me voted for the Hindu right winged BJP. Most lower caste Hindus were weary of the BJP because of its high caste support base as well as because the BJP was also the baniya (merchant class/caste) party. The poorer lower caste prefered the more socialist Indian National Congress or some other regional parties. Without the lower castes and their votes, there was no chance the BJP could have come to power, as we upper castes do not have the numbers. Therefore by creating fear among lower castes Hindus with the Muslim issue, using the Muslims (and to a lower extent Indian Christians) as punching bags, they could get the votes of the lower caste Hindus and thus come to power. This (lower castes used as pawns by the upper castes) is something lower caste rights leader like Ambedkar had foreseen would happen decades ago and hence wanted a separate electorate for lower castes during the last decades of the British Raj. But Gandhi used cunning and trickery and this was denied.

  276. Malla says:
    @Just Passing Through

    If that is true, Russia should be weary of China too. India, Vietnam and Japan are weary of China anyways. But so should Russia in the long run.

    • Replies: @Smith
  277. @Daniel Chieh

    With China going from strength to strength, and with the highly skewed sex ratio (which causes political instability as many men will have nothing invested in life) it is only inevitable that such Chinese ultranationalist thoughts will seep into the national mainstream.

    Chinese still have scores to settle, they were meted out the 100 years of humiliation, those gweilo’s smashed their illusions about China being the centre of the earth and they are out for revenge. Those in China connected to its history, as many undoubtedly are, see this period as a chance to get one back and humiliate the Whites.

  278. Malla says:

    Whao, gobbling up minuscule Sikkim is your idea of HIndutva greatness , LOL.

    You HIndutva warriors were very brave in beating up defenseless tiny nations, but when you tried on someone your size in 1962….hehhehehe

    We did not even conquer Sikkim militarily. We just engineered a takeover by using the Sikkimese Congress dominated by the Nepalese Hindus (brought to the Kingdom of Sikkim by the British Raj) against the Buddhist Chogyal (Sikkimese King, who had a high honourary position in the Indian Army BTW, he was back-stabbed by the Indian Govt of Indira Gandhi) as well as against the Buddhist native Bhutias & Lepchas of Sikkim. Right out of the CIA playbook.
    There was also some rivalry in between the King and Kazi (pro Indian but later in life, regretted Sikkim being gobbled up by India) as well as rivalry in between the wife of the kazi and Queen of Sikkim (wife of the King) who was American.

    • Replies: @eastkekiisawhiteguy
  279. Smith says:
    @Malla

    Russia is friend with China because the US is against them.

    The moment the US is out, Russia will go back to being a rival to China.

    It’s impossible for great powers to be “friends”, especially when China wants to gobble more, not less.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @anon8383892
    , @antibeast
  280. @Been_there_done_that

    More three months after the virus had been detected and its DNA decoded, it R value determined and its lethality calibrated, the US still refuses to shut down any of its airports and STILL refuses to provide the details of its index case (Patient Zero).

    Why?

  281. @Just Passing Through

    News flash: the highly skewed sex ratio is just another anti-China myth. Under Family Planning guidelines second children were encouraged after birth spacing (third children attracted a fine). Though minorities, rural farming families, and families with disabled parents or siblings were exempt, children were often not registered at birth and most unregistered siblings were girls. Thus was born the myth of the ‘missing girls’ which, like ‘ghost towns,’ captured imaginations but left political scientist John Kennedy[1] dissatisfied. “Thirty-million girls–the population of California– are missing from the population and they think they’re just gone?” After comparing 2010 census figures with girls’ enrollment and graduation in 2016 he reported:

    Most people are using a demographic explanation to say that abortion or infanticide are the reasons girls don’t show up in the census and that they don’t exist, but we find there’s a political explanation. The point of contention is the interaction between the central state’s capacity to influence local officials and local officials’ willingness to implement central policies–especially unpopular policies. We find that millions of unreported female births ‘appear’ in older cohorts [school enrollment years], and this also reflects a cultural shift regarding the value of girls in China. The ‘preference for sons’ cultural argument suggests that parents see sons as necessary for elderly care and contributions to family income while daughters are viewed as a burden.

    However scholars suggest that, over the last few decades and especially since the introduction of economic reforms, daughters have contributed more to their natal families (i.e., increased their value). Still, the 1990, 2000 and 2010 censuses show that unreported male births are overwhelmingly registered between the ages of one and ten years old but that the vast majority of children registered after the age of ten are females. This implies an administrative bias towards sons whereby they are registered earlier than daughters, rather than a strict son preference (i.e., fewer daughters).

    Kennedy interviewed a farmer who introduced his elder daughter and son by name but referred to his middle daughter as ‘the non-existent one.’ “He told us that his first daughter was registered but that when his second child, another daughter, was born they did not register her and instead waited to have another child. The third child was a boy and they registered him as the second child.” To keep the peace village officials, often blood relatives, turned a blind eye to children born outside family planning limits and left them unreported. Though the government relaxed the rural one-child policy in the 1980s, Kennedy found that village-level enforcement had already bypassed it and thirty-million girls were where they should be: in school.

    Today, more girls graduate from university than boys and, when we normalize data for job position and seniority, gender and wage gaps almost disappear. Modern women keep their surnames after marriage, take International Women’s Day off, enjoy up to twelve month maternity leave, and retire younger. They also enjoy official favoritism in promotions and unofficial preference in transfers:

    My father was the deputy director of labor department in my hometown ten years ago. I still remember my father got phone call in the very early morning many times, maybe 3–5 AM, associated with issues of overtime production and the illegal use of child labor (the factory owners think no one would inspect them overnight and in the very early morning). No alternative option and no excuse like “it’s not office hours.” He just had to go and do his work. Afterwards, no compensation like extra bonus and day off would be offered to him. Another example is my high school classmate. He is the officer of a rural village right now. Even though the village is not far from his own home which is located in the more developed town, he must live in the village as required during weekdays and only be allowed to stay at home during weekend. Being an officer means you have the power that the public cannot have, but at the same time it forces you to sacrifice many personal benefits.

    I just read a news item months ago: two female officers refuse to be deployed into a poor village because they just do not want to give up the convenience and better life quality of the city. CCP cannot fire them because the policy requires a certain percent of female officers in the organization. CCP also cannot use Party principles to punish them too much because they are female. The only thing CCP can do is never promoting them. But they don’t care because salary would not increase too much along with the promotion of your position and they are satisfy what they earned. But if they are male, the story would be thoroughly different. They would be punished based on the Party principles and even be kicked out of the Party and their whole political career would be over. To sum up, there is no FREEDOM and HUMAN RIGHT for male officers in the CCP’s organization if some people still want to find a perspective to criticize CCP’s organizational principles.


    [1] Delayed Registration and Identifying the ”Missing Girls” in China. The China Quarterly, Volume 228. December 2016, pp. 1018-1038

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  282. Smith says:

    The USSR “social imperialist” and North Vietnam “Indochina Empire dream” are some of the biggest copes from Maoist/chink shills.

    They can’t even make up good causes but attack their allies because they disagree with them (how dares the USSR order Mao around when Mao tech is all imported Soviet tech, how dare Vietnam be an ally and not a vassal), the fucking chink arrogance knows no bound. Then again, I blame the american nigger jews who normalize relationship with them and give them western technology, if not for them, they would have remained a backwater shithole with nukes like Pakistan nowadays. The 1979 chink troops were worse equipped than a North Vietnam one, you are talking about SKS vs AKM.

    And denk, Vietnam beats China in 1979 because Vietnam managed to drive the chinks away from Vietnam, you chink might say you leave willingly, but that’s a cope just like the americans “winning by leaving”, in fact, your retreat is so fast that you leave some troops behind to be captured by North Vietnam militia, meanwhile the Vietnam army in Cambodia manages to topple Pol Pot regardless of chink meddling.

    The situation post-1979 deteriorates mainly because Vietnam’s biggest ally, the USSR, went kaput, and Vietnam has no choice but to play along with China, the american nigger jews are simply untrustworthy in a fight and Japan is currently castrasted by the american nigger jews. Meanwhile the Cambodian cozy up with chinks because they still hate viets for annexing ancient Champa, still, the cambodians selling themselves to own viets will prove to be their demise, as chinks have no willingness to build Cambodia and now they are a backwards Corona-chan hotspot.

    So yes, chinks might have beat the viets diplomatically in 1991, but we viets kicked their ass in 1979, and know that both north viets and south viets have the differences but will unite on a heartbeat against China.

    There are two cancers in the world, US in the West and China in the East.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Daniel Chieh
    , @denk
  283. antibeast says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    I had written that China is primarily responsible for having allowed or encouraged the virus to spread to the rest of the world.

    All the empirical evidence so far suggests that China is NOT the vector of Covid-19 transmissions in South Korea, Italy and the USA because the hardest hit areas in those three countries are hardly visited by Chinese tourists nor inhabited by Chinese immigrants. In the USA, NY has ten times the number of Covid-19 cases than California where most Chinese immigrants live and where most Chinese tourists visit in the USA. In Italy, small cities in Northern Italy where hardly any Chinese immigrants live were the hardest hit: Bergamo and Codogno in Lombardy, Padua in Veneto, etc. while the two Italian cities with the largest number of Chinese immigrants — Milan and Prato — were not. Same case with the touristy areas visited the most by Chinese tourists: Rome, Florence, Naples, Venice, etc. In South Korea, Daegu has ten times the number of Covid-19 cases than Seoul which is the city visited the most by Chinese tourists.

    The Western Media keeps promoting this “fake news” that the Covid-19 pandemic somehow started in China and then spread all over the world. But the facts disprove that “fake news” narrative.

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  284. @Yee

    What holding up China’s manufacturing isn’t some American big brands, but millions of small local suppliers that make components.

    This is what I’ve been trying to convey to my American countrymen. Our industrial revolution 2.0 / industrial renaissance would be best served by a decentralization into a broad-based cottage-industry pattern; garage industry, organized into complex supply chains. Ironically, the pioneer of this model was Albert Speer in the 1940s, who needed to preserve German war-manufacturing against the onslaught of strategic bombing. He decentralized and dispersed component manufacture, assembly.

    The psychopathic douchebags running America favor their cult-of-personality model, so you have absolute shitfaces like Elon Musk and his “Megafactories.” We combine the absolute worst of classic Soviet mass industry and group-think conformism with a nihilistic devil-may-care ethics; and then some ‘think-tank’ attempts to rationalize it ex-post-facto.

    Idiocracy meets Eyes Wide Shut, that’s our elite leadership. Enjoy the accelerationism, we’re due for quite a show.

  285. antibeast says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    So 10-20 years after the fighting ended, Vietnam finally cleared out? Yes, you’re right, a smashing Chinese victory! It’s a bit like saying Germany “really” won WW2 because of Germany’s current control of the EU. Apparently “long run” is very long indeed.

    I think you’re confused because you seem to view that “war” from a “Vietnam vs China” lens, as do some pro-Vietnam posters here. The reason why China started that punitive raid (hardly a “war” which lasted only one month) into Vietnam in 1979 was not to conquer Vietnam but to punish them for invading Cambodia which was part of Deng’s strategy of aligning China with the USA and ASEAN against the Soviet Bloc. As part of his “deal” with the USA during the Cold War, Deng also started a border “war” against Russia and supplied weapons to the Muslim rebels in Afghanistan.

    Since the purpose was not to conquer but to harass Vietnam as part of the Cold War against the Soviet Bloc, Deng switched tactics and decided to launch a campaign of intimidation against the Vietnamese including shelling positions near the border which forced them to spend their scarce resources on their military for the rest of the 80s. The Vietnamese thought the Chinese would return again but they didn’t. Instead, Deng launched the Economic Reforms which catapulted the Chinese economy ahead of both the Soviet Union and the rest of Asia. After the Soviet Union collapsed, Vietnam became isolated and agreed to depart from Cambodia. That signified the end of the Cold War.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  286. @Smith

    Russia is friend with China because the US is against them.

    The moment the US is out, Russia will go back to being a rival to China.

    It’s impossible for great powers to be “friends”, especially when China wants to gobble more, not less.

    Yes, everyone is playing a balanced game, by necessity. I don’t mean to discount the genuine and heartfelt solidarity generated in recent years between those two nations, but as you allude, the game afoot is finite sum, and agendas will clash.

    However, I believe that the maturity in their respective diplomatic cultures is generating a new grand-strategic philosophical rubric which seeks to harmonize and preserve diverse nations into a sustainable planet capable of attaining the stars.

    The old, archaic Victory (now only the victory for the weak-minded and evil) was victory under nature against one’s rivals in a kind of bloodsport. We are now over nature, responsible for her (the ecosystems, the bees, the forests, etc), and the old forms of victory no longer confer honor. This is the level the Kremlin is operating at, and I believe elements of the CCP as well. It would seem that our own elites are too destroyed spiritually by child-rape festivals to embody such subtleties of paradigm; so we are priveliged to witness and partake of a great moral drama unfolding before us.

    Nevertheless, at base level, you are absolutely correct. In real-politik terms, once the immediate danger of PNAC is subdued, there will be structural tensions. I’m not blind to the dangers, but I am optimistic that their schools of political-philosophy are working sincerely on a solution. They understand the game is different now.

    (We need a common treaty on population/demographic explosion. No one on my team wants Georgia Guidestone inpsired genocide, nor generalized castration of the populace, but we do need to preserve a quality of ecosystem and life, and so will need to be careful about planning demographics.)

  287. @antibeast

    No, I get it: it was a grand master plan by China that worked out perfectly, as it could not have otherwise (since the CCP is infallible).

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @antibeast
    , @denk
  288. @sarz

    […] after 9/11, of which Trump was and is an accessory after the fact.

    Sad, true, and a bitter pill for me one of the set of whom were pulled into a hopeful dubious support based on the immense hostility real or staged emanating from the deep-state.

    We’d hopiumed that the complicity was merely tactical, that truth and reconciliation would have its day. Certainly that was the intent of many so called “white hats”, perhaps the man himself. Clearly though, he is captured, insulated, isolated, controlled. We may never know what his true intentions were.

    If we are powerless at the grass-roots level, there can be no republican democracy, only a truman-show facsimile there-of. Our rulers are cryptocrats and their media-star stalking horse ‘visionaries’ like Musk.

    Counter-intelligence with enforcement has to be manifested from the grass-roots up, that is the only way, outside of just hoping for very good luck.

    I was going to say Russia is a counter-example to this thesis of mine. Surely they don’t have grass-roots counter-intelligence capacity ? They are merely lucky to be served by a non-degraded civil service, right? Actually I think it’s some of both. Their population still has the benefits of the Soviet educaion system, which in many ways was exemplary on classical terms. Everyone has housing, so everyone has the luxury of civic engagement and intellectual discourse. Whereas the elites in the USA rule over a de-racinated and diseased (multiple meanings) populace, the Russian populace is quite engaged, and bs likely would not be tolerated for long. Their President truly has the mandate of the people.

    The Chinese also, are more intellectually engaged civically than Americans, and (in spite of the oft-touted lower average testosterone) much more liable to civil unrest and rioting than Americans. Americans are docile AF, outside of the African-American population; of which the low-brows here like to point to as inferior to themselves, whereas it seems to me, this potential and ability for rioting points to their greater elan vital / spiritual fortitude than the utterly castrated suburban and urban ‘whites’.

    At any rate, Trump can’t save us, and the white-hats are not winning, so radically outnumbered are they by the apathetic, conformist, opportunistic, as well as the genuinely malevolent. That’s my prognosis.

    If you want some good news: immortality of the soul, fear only the almighty, nothing and no one earthly can harm you. Do your duty and leave the outcome to heaven.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Smith
  289. Malla says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Hey buddy check this out.
    Now I have targeted my own country India, rightfully so, for acting as a brutal, imperial power crushing down on Kashmiris, North Easterners like the Nagas, Mizos etc…, Sikhs, sneakily taking over a nice peaceful kingdom like Sikkim (part of the North East too), bullying nations like Bhutan, Nepal, Sri Lanka etc… And yet lying through the teeth about “evul British”, trying to hide all the good thing s the British did in Indian subcontinent and inventing lies.
    You have Indonesia lying about “evul Dutch” while crushing the Acehnese or Western Papuans/Irian Jayans, the same story of hypocrisy.

    India’s arch rival and enemy P.R. China kind of does the same too. Lying through the teeth about the “evul Japanese” while crushing the independence of Tibetans, Uyghurs/Xinjiang/ Easter Turkmenistanis, Hong Kong folk etc…. Well you can add the Mongols of Inner Mongolia to that list too.


    China Doesn’t Want You To Know About This Place
    The Mongols too are not very happy about Han rule and Han Chinese taking over their lands.

  290. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    The USSR “social imperialist” and North Vietnam “Indochina Empire dream” are some of the biggest copes from Maoist/chink shills.

    Sorry but you’re wrong. Deng switched sides against the Soviet bloc during the Cold War. As part of the Soviet bloc, Vietnam’s invasion and occupation of Cambodia was seen as “expansionist” by the USA and ASEAN which prompted China to launch the punitive raid into Vietnam in 1979. There was a real fear in ASEAN at the time — especially Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore — that the rest of Southeast Asia would be the next target of Vietnam which was part of the Soviet bloc. Vietnam became a pariah throughout the 80s until the collapse of the Soviet Union forced the Vietnamese to withdraw from Cambodia.

    The pro-Vietnamese propagandists would like to paint Vietnam’s invasion and occupation of Cambodia as “peaceful”. Nam Viet started out as a small Kingdom but has had its own history of waging colonialist/imperialist wars of aggression against its Southeast Asian neighbors — Khmer, Thai and Champa — the last one being completely absorbed by Nam Viet in what is now Southern Vietnam. Southeast Asians know their history of their own countries fighting against Nam Viet not China.To somehow insinuate otherwise is just wishful thinking among anti-China trolls here.

  291. @Just Passing Through

    China has many scores to settle, but they also don’t think in the same manner on how to settle the scores at all.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  292. @Beefcake the Mighty

    It didn’t work out perfectly at all, but it worked out sufficiently. Many(most?) wars are like that.

  293. antibeast says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    No, I get it: it was a grand master plan by China that worked out perfectly, as it could not have otherwise (since the CCP is infallible).

    It was part of the Cold War, nothing more, nothing less.

  294. Malla says:
    @anon8383892

    and (in spite of the oft-touted lower average testosterone)

    Northern Chinese folk have a reputation of being very tough and macho and they along with Mongols are said to be similar to Eastern Slavs like Russians, Ukrainians etc… in temperament. Southern Chinese have a reputation of being more quite but also very business minded and clannish.

    • Thanks: anon8383892
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Daniel Chieh
  295. antibeast says:
    @Tinfoil bat

    I’m waiting to see how long unz can hold out before all out deep state subversion.

    Their paid trolls are already here at unz.com.

  296. @Smith

    Its a lot of words to observe that you still lost at everything in the end.

    • Replies: @Smith
  297. Alden says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Bob’s about my height, 5’3. I learned to hate liberals at Stanford. When I was there it was all Marxism and civil rights for blacks. The animals in the local black ghetto were beloved by the Marxist professors as angels in need of saving.

    The professors were madly in love with Mao’s China. America didn’t have relations with China then. Professors were all for diplomatic recognition of China.

    Only good thing about it was the library. The library where I learned the professors were liars.
    Well the men were good too. Thousands of tall handsome blue eyed young men. They finished their master’s in STEM and moved east to Mountain View where they invented Silicon Valley. 20 years later, after they invented Silicon Valley, they were all fired and replaced by Chinese and Indian coolies.

    Stanford invited Jesse Jackson and his thugs to rampage around campus beating up White women. Not men, but women.

    Hey ho, hey ho. Western civ has got to go the black thugs chanted. Ostensibly the black thugs meant the western civilization required course. Most colleges have eliminated that course. What the thugs and their Jew handlers really meant was eradication of European Christian and all white people.

    Most of the professors admired Mao and China and carried around Mao’s Little Red Book.

    American colleges and universities are the enemy, a very successful, enemy of Whites. I’d like to do to them what Henry 8 of England did to the catholic monasteries.

    Other than listening to the professors it was fun. All those gorgeous young men and more men than women. And a great library where I began my life long learning of the truths never taught in schools or colleges.
    Frankly, I’m surprised colleges haven’t burnt all the books published before 1980 in their libraries. The information in those libraries contradicts what’s currently taught in those colleges.

    I always read 2 different viewpoints on every subject. Unlike you, the advertising man for China. Really, your writings about China remind me of advertisements for the newest miracle diet pill.

    • Thanks: Malla, Miro23
    • Replies: @Malla
    , @S
  298. Smith says:
    @anon8383892

    When was the last time you see a chink riot in China?

    Ask yourself, aside from the free HK movement, most of the other uprisings were from Xinjiang’s Uighurs or anti-Deng Maoist rurals who don’t like the state government.

    Most of them are dealt with exactly like the HK rebels where immediate attempts are made to calm the people down (withdrawning bill, firing the current state official), then the leader of these dissident movements are immediately culled/martyred/shipped elsewhere. Meanwhile on Weibo and Wechat, there will be chinese voices telling people that these rioters are America/CIA spies. Even the staff that did a protest/strike for that Southern China Airlines got fired/demoted silently after the fact.

    China will not have internal problem as long as there exists foreign enemies that can be pointed finger to or the economy still going good. The government there deals with opponents with ruthless efficiency, this is why Hong Kongers fear of the extradition bill.

    The USA even wishes that it deals with political opponents the same way. Julian Assange would have biten the bullet if he was China’s political enemy.

  299. @Godfree Roberts

    Some people don’t understand that 40 years is a long, long time and countries can change vastly in such a period. If the China of today is still the China of 40 years ago, would the USA have even bothered with the Tariff Wars, the Pivot to Asia, the Indo-pacific Strategy, etc.? If the USA of today is still the USA of half a century ago would the current slumming of Skid Row be tolerated at all?

    The Chinese still call themselves “communist”, but are they REALLY communist? The USA calls itself a “republic” and a “democracy”, but is it REALLY those things?

    Rather than staring ourselves blind on the labels put on those countries, we should look at what policies they implement and the data on what effect those policies have.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  300. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    Wishful thinking.

    Ever hear of the SCO? That’s the world’s largest regional security organization, far larger than NATO.

  301. GeeBee says:

    ‘Compare that with the 9/11 event, after which it was possible for critical observers to know within half a day who was behind it.’

    Half a day? You knew it was done by Mossad/US deep state using Saudi ‘patsies’ in just twelve hours? Pray tell how this was possible…

  302. Caltrop says:

    Hitler summed it up –

    “Those by secret ballot elected by the fooled “majority” call themselves representatives but cannot name their principals. The process is called “democracy”. In a democracy Christian wisdom counts for nothing and majorities for everything.”

    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false” CIA Director William Casey Feb 1981

    Excerpts from Adolph Hitlers’ book “Mein Kampf” pages 138 and 139

    [MORE]

    “……….If we consider the attitude of various Governments towards a whole series of really pernicious phenomena in public life, we shall at once recognise the fearful significance of this policy of half-measures and the lack of courage to take responsibilities. I shall single out only a few from the large numbers of instances known to me.

    In journalistic circles it is a pleasing custom to speak of the Press as a ‘Great Power’ within the State. As a matter of fact its importance is immense. One cannot easily overestimate it, for the Press continues the work of education even in adult life. Generally, readers of the press can be classified into three groups:

    First, those who believe everything they read;

    Second, those who no longer believe anything;

    Third, those who critically examine what they read and form from their judgements accordingly.

    Numerically, the first group is by far the strongest, being composed of the broad masses of the people………………….

    ………………………………………………The third group is easily the smallest, being composed of real intellectuals whom natural aptitude and education have taught to think for themselves and who in all things try to form their own judgements, while at the same time carefully sifting what they read. They will not read any newspaper without using their own intelligence to collaborate with that of the writer and naturally this does not set the writer an easy task. journalists appreciate this type of reader only with a certain amount of reservation.

    Hence the trash that newspapers are capable of serving up is of little danger —— much less of importance——-to the third group of readers. In the majority of cases these readers have learnt to regard every journalist as fundamentally a rogue who sometimes speaks the truth. Most unfortunately the value of these readers lies in their intelligence and not in their numerical strength, an unhappy state of affairs in a period where wisdom counts for nothing and majorities for everything. Nowadays when the voting papers of the masses are the deciding factor; the decision lies in the hands of the numerically strongest group; that is to say the first group, the crowd of simpletons and the credulous…………………………

    ………………………………Particular attention should be paid to the Press; for its influence on these people is by far the strongest and most penetrating of all; since its affect is not transitory but continual. Its immense significance lies in the uniform and persistent repetition of its teaching. Here if anywhere, the State should never forget that all means should converge to the same end. It must not be led astray by the will-o’-the-wisp of so called ‘freedom of the Press’, or is talked into neglecting its duty, and withholding from the nation that which is good and does good. With ruthless determination the State must keep control of this instrument of popular education and place it at the service of the State and the nation………………………….

    ………………………..Was it not the German Press that understood how to make all the nonsensical talk obout ‘Western democracy’ palatable to our people, until an exuberant public was eventually prepared to entrust its future to the League of Nations? Was not this Press instrumental in bringing a state of moral degredation among our people? Were not morals and public decency made to look ridiculous and classed out of date and banal,until finally our people also became modernised?……………………………..

    …………………………………The function of the so called liberal Press was to dig the grave for the German people and Reich. No mention need be made of the lying Marxist Press. To them the spreading of falsehood is as much a vital necessity as the mouse is to a cat. Their task is to break the national backbone of the people, thus preparing the nation to become the slaves of international finance and its masters, the Jews……………………

    …………………………………….And what measures did the State take to counteract this wholesale poisoning of the public mind? None, absolutely nothing at all. By this policy it was hoped to win the favour of this pest—–by means of flattery, by a recognition of the ‘value’ of the Press, its importance, its ‘educative mission’ and similar nonsense. The Jews acknowledged all this with a knowing smile and returned thanks.”

    From page 132, “……….Of course it would be out of the question to enter into an arguement with these liars who deny at one moment what they said the moment before. I should waste no further words on them were it not for the fact that there are many thoughtless people who repeat all this in parrot fashion, without necessarily being inspired by any evil motives. But the observations I am making here are also meant for our fighting followers, seeing that nowadays ones spoken words are often forgotten and twisted in their meaning..”

    http://www.rollintl.com/roll/grsettle.htm

    • Agree: Ondra Hada
    • Thanks: Malla
  303. Yee says:

    Smith,

    “The moment the US is out, Russia will go back to being a rival to China.”

    That’s Indian thinking… Chinese leadership is much smarter.

    Geographically, Russia’s core region is in Europe, thousand of miles from China-Russia border, but China’s core region is much closer to the border.

    This means China would be much more vulnerable than Russia if we have a conflict. So it’s always in China’s interest to stay friendly with Russia. And, Russia’s heart and mind is in joining Europe, not picking fights in Asia, just don’t povoke them. This is why China and Russia settled all border dispute in 1998, way before the US turn agsinst Russia. It’s in both country’s interest to avoid conflict.

    India face the same geographic situation with China, but doing exactly the oppisite. From China-India border to New Delhi, a few hundred kilometers; to Beijing, 10x of that. Yet the Indian leadership keep trying their hardest to stir up anti-China.

    You know why India has no future? Because they’re stupid.

    • Agree: Miro23
  304. @antibeast

    …transmissions in South Korea, Italy and the USA because the hardest hit areas in those three countries are hardly visited by Chinese tourists nor inhabited by Chinese immigrants.

    It is already sufficient that the initial carriers (most of them in January), irrespective of their ethnicity, had come from Wuhan. If subsequently specific areas were harder hit than others is a different issue and relates more appropriately to the effects of so-called “super-spreaders”.

    Transmissions in Korea were initially confined to the city of Daegu, where religious sect members infected one another.

    The first recorded cases in Italy were attributed to two Chinese tourists, who had visited Rome.

    In the US the West Coast infections came from China; East Coast infections came primarily from Europe.

    One would have had to track the movements of all international passengers who had flown from Wuhan airport over a period of at least three weeks prior to its closing on January 23 this year.

    It would be instructive to take a look at Taiwan; they happen to know the Chinese from Mainland China the best and therefore distrust them the most, so their response to the viral outbreak in Wuhan was most immediate. According to today’s figures the Worldometer they have reported a total 380 cases and five deaths.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  305. sarz says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Thanks for answering a personal question. Your background comes as a surprise. It puts your statements about China in a different—and welcome—light. I would like to know how you evaluate China from spititual perspectives. I imagine that the leadership is consciously guided by Confucian ideals, such as is implicit in the image of the emperor facing due south, but I wonder about Taoist or Buddhist notions. I think it is necessary to rise to that level to find common ground with Tibet and Sinkiang, and indeed with Iran and Russia. It is important to not confuse historical (dialectical) ‘materialism’ with metaphysical materialism. I’d like to know where the Chinese elite are on these issues.

  306. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tinfoil bat

    EXACTLY. The Deep State is cranking up all the old tropes and images, feeding into the very stereotypes they manufactured in the first place.

    China, Russia, the whole Eurasian landmass – these places are so immensely vast, and so very distant, that anything can be highlighted or outright invented about them, then repeated over and over, that people will believe it.

    There were stories published in World War One about the Germans systematically bayoneting babies in the Netherlands, Belgium and France. All absolute fabrication. The Germans of World War One were brutal, ruthless soldiers, but never outright murderers.

    In 1990, the story circulated of Iraqi soldiers forcibly throwing babies out of incubators. After the war, serious investigation of the”atrocity” revealed that nothing like that ever took place.

    There was an article stating that the CCP were throwing live corona patients into incinerators (in Wuhan) .No evidence just old file photos of incinerators and a photo on a pile of really out dated cell phones said to be belonging to the victims.

    Anyone with a basic understanding of propaganda sees right through this. It’s trying to evoke what worked in the past, the horror people naturally feel at such practices.

    But there’s a COLOSSAL problem with such reports: There’s not only zero evidence, there’s also zero suggestion of any “live cremations” from the substantial foreign medical presence in Wuhan, nor from any independent observers.

    The Deep State deceptions will NOT work.

  307. @Malla

    This is called “brown privilege”, when brown Indians oppress groups in their territory, it is not very activism-worthy for Western ethno-masochist liberals.

    The UK Labour party at one point began shilling for Kashmir (initiated by the large Pakistani contingent) and started losing their Indian voting blocs support. Oddly, despite being on average richer than Whites, Indians in the UK still vote overwhelmingly for Labour, although that might have changed recently as the Tory parry has started putting Indians in its top leadership (2 out of 4 highest elected positions are held by Indians)

    Jews deciding to flood the West with Muslims is also good for those oppressing Muslims as people have less tendency to believe tales of Muslim oppression when they hear Muslims on their own country whining about not being able to wear the burka in a bank or when Muslims blame poverty as a reason for rape gangs.

    • Replies: @Malla
  308. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    While it is good that China has a more balanced view of the value of women, it is not a good trend that they are tilting in the other direction.

    A more long-term harmonious solution would see equal treatment of both sexes and no preferences either way. Meritocracy uber alles.

  309. @Yee

    Russia will not be able to mobilise troops to its Eastern regions that quickly and it is highly unlikely they would use nukes if China were to simply invade that barren land. Your deceptions are good but China is very much capable of taking Eastern Russia without much trouble.

    Russia is currently on China’s side as they given them great economic stability in exchange for White technology. You don’t know how hard America is going against Russia at every turn, it is much harder than they are going against China meaning the two nations have a common foe. This is also why Russia continues to arm India, despite the latter increasingly falling into America’s sphere of influence it is as a guarantee against China.

    Russia are still going beyond the call of duty by offering Indians nuclear submarines, why would they be bolstering India’s second strike capabilities?

    The hard truth of geopolitics is that the goal is either to come out as a superpower in a unipolar world or if you cannot do that, create a multipolar one.

    And by the way, it is irrelevant how close the borders are to the capital, if the armies of either nation were making a drive to each others capital, nuclear weapons would be used. So if anything, the nation which has its capital closer to the border is at an advantage because they can use nuclear weapons much quicker.

    Hence, China has a huge advantage over Russia. Russia would never engage in a nuclear exchange over some barren land and would attempt to regain it by conventional military force. China meanwhile would be spooked if Russians invaded their Northern frontier as they would be very close to Beijing.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Daniel Chieh
  310. @Mary Marianne

    China is a people’s republic (in contradistinction to an elite republic, like Rome’s and America’s) that was founded by the Communist Party.

    It’s not and does not pretend to be a communist country. At some point in the future, perhaps as soon as 2121, it will become communist, but that requires enormous maturity of the entire population, which will take time.

    In the meantime its economy is mixed socialist/capitalist but, starting on June 1 of next year, will become increasingly socialist again until its Gini coefficient is below Finland’s. They hope to reach that point by 2035.

    My point is that China never is something. It’s always in the process of becoming something (he not busy being born is busy dying).

    • Replies: @fatmanscoop
  311. @sarz

    Only when the granary is full can virtue be practiced, and China will be filling her granary until 2049.

    It’s not that virtue will be ignored until then.

    The Social Credit program is part of the foundation for a virtuous society because the Chinese know that changing behavior changes subjectivity.

    By 2050 the plan is for everyone to have leisure time for the arts and contemplation and we will see radical Taoism come to the fore: the realization that the Nature of Existence is inherently and tacitly obvious if we remain in a state of pleasurable oneness with whatever and all that presently arises.

    Hence the need for leisure.

  312. antibeast says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    It is already sufficient that the initial carriers (most of them in January), irrespective of their ethnicity, had come from Wuhan. If subsequently specific areas were harder hit than others is a different issue and relates more appropriately to the effects of so-called “super-spreaders”.

    Sorry but the hardest hit areas such as New York, Lombardy and Daegu are NOT cities with lots of Chinese immigrants or tourists. If your “super-spreader” theory is true, then San Francisco, Milan, Prato and Seoul should have been hit the hardest because those cities have the highest number of either Chinese immigrants or Chinese tourists. New York City has ten times the number of Covid-19 cases as San Francisco where 25-30% of the population are Chinese. Moreover, San Francisco is visited by 15M tourists every year including Chinese tourists from mainland China. The numbers don’t make sense at all.

    Transmissions in Korea were initially confined to the city of Daegu, where religious sect members infected one another.

    Yes but Chinese tourists don’t visit Daegu nor are there Chinese immigrants living there. So where did the Covid-19 virus come from?

    The first recorded cases in Italy were attributed to two Chinese tourists, who had visited Rome.

    Rome is outside of Lombardy which is in Northern Italy, the center of the Covid-19 outbreak. So how come Rome didn’t get hit the hardest considering it sees millions of tourists during the peak winter season?

    In the US the West Coast infections came from China; East Coast infections came primarily from Europe.

    If that were true, then California not New York should have been the hardest hit. Besides, the outbreak in Lombardy and Veneto in Northern Italy were not in big cities like Milan but in small cities like Bergamo, Codogno, Padua, etc. How many Italians from those small cities visit New York?

    One would have had to track the movements of all international passengers who had flown from Wuhan airport over a period of at least three weeks prior to its closing on January 23 this year.

    That’s not needed. All that needs to be done is to do massive testing for Covid-19 antibodies in New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Virginia, Rhode Island, Connecticut, etc. to collect the statistical data of where and how the viral transmission took place in the US Northeast. If a substantial number of people in the US Northeast had already been exposed to and subsequently developed antibodies against Covid-19, then the timeframe for the viral transmission can be mapped using regression analysis.

    It would be instructive to take a look at Taiwan; they happen to know the Chinese from Mainland China the best and therefore distrust them the most, so their response to the viral outbreak in Wuhan was most immediate. According to today’s figures the Worldometer they have reported a total 380 cases and five deaths.

    Almost all the touristy areas in Asia had a few hundred cases at most. That’s why I am discounting the “Out-of-Wuhan” theory because these Asian cities such as Bangkok, Singapore, Taipei, Seoul, Tokyo, Phuket, etc. should have been the hardest hit areas in the world. Lots of Chinese immigrants and/or Chinese tourists visit, live or work in these Asian cities. But hardly any viral pandemic. Same with San Francisco, Vancouver, Los Angeles, etc. in North America.

  313. @Daniel Chieh

    That’s all well and good for now, but as China rises and America falls, there will be less and less reasons for China to hold back on military action. For now it is projecting the image of peace and development of the Third World. But the truth is that it is not in China’s interests to see the Third World developed, as they would lose their captive market.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  314. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    From what I have seen, there are these main cultural factors in play in today’s China.

    First, there is the stereotypical willing obedience and organized nature of the society. This whole natural tendency to hierarchy and unified action has its closest Western parallel in aspects of German culture. If the Chinese were ONLY obedient and organized, then they might only be a version of Japan or Korea, but there is definitely something else at work:

    Second, they exhibit a sort of endurance and willingness to work under the harshest conditions, a toughness and persistence in mastering challenges which reminds me of the Russian mind set. For example, they will build infrastructure anywhere, and keep building whether it’s in the mountains, in the deserts, in tropical humidity or in harsh winter conditions. They will get things done, whatever the thing is.

    Third, they have this attitude that they can and should attempt to do anything, because they think everything is possible, nothing is impossible. Anything can work, any goal can be achieved, and an ambitious and visionary person or company just has to make the right moves, put in the work and have a bit of luck. The closest Western parallel to this is a sort of frontier American ethos.

    Think of a society in continuous dynamic transformation, undergoing extremely rapid change. That is China

    • Thanks: Malla
  315. @GeeBee

    Who else could it have been?

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  316. antibeast says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Russia will not be able to mobilise troops to its Eastern regions that quickly and it is highly unlikely they would use nukes if China were to simply invade that barren land. Your deceptions are good but China is very much capable of taking Eastern Russia without much trouble.

    China has very little reason to take Eastern Russia. That part of Eurasia suffers from extreme weather during cold winters which hardly makes them ideal for human settlement. Even Russia has a hard time convincing Russians to settle there. The habitable areas are cities all the way to the Sea of Japan like Vladivostok which is now turning into a tourist trap for Chinese, Japanese and South Korean tourists.

    Russia is currently on China’s side as they given them great economic stability in exchange for White technology. You don’t know how hard America is going against Russia at every turn, it is much harder than they are going against China meaning the two nations have a common foe. This is also why Russia continues to arm India, despite the latter increasingly falling into America’s sphere of influence it is as a guarantee against China.

    Your view is absurd. The USA has NATO setup against Russia in Europe while the USA has to rely on Japan and South Korea against China in the East. If you’re talking about sanctions against Russia, that’s because US corporations are hardly invested in Russia unlike China. India? They’re a fair-weather friend just like Vietnam. In fact, both India and Vietnam are looking at the USA as potential allies against China. But that pisses off Russia who’s their historical ally going back to the days of the USSR.

    Russia are still going beyond the call of duty by offering Indians nuclear submarines, why would they be bolstering India’s second strike capabilities?

    See above.

    The hard truth of geopolitics is that the goal is either to come out as a superpower in a unipolar world or if you cannot do that, create a multipolar one.

    Both Russia and China are the founding members of the SCO which is the largest regional security organization in Asia. The SCO has the potential of becoming the Asian equivalent of NATO in the coming decades, with or without the rapidly declining USA Empire. Same as the EU nations which are expected to form their own security organization independent of NATO.

    And by the way, it is irrelevant how close the borders are to the capital, if the armies of either nation were making a drive to each others capital, nuclear weapons would be used. So if anything, the nation which has its capital closer to the border is at an advantage because they can use nuclear weapons much quicker.

    The idea of nuclear warfare against neighboring nuclear-armed States is idiotic nonsense. You might as well commit mass harakiri.

    Hence, China has a huge advantage over Russia. Russia would never engage in a nuclear exchange over some barren land and would attempt to regain it by conventional military force. China meanwhile would be spooked if Russians invaded their Northern frontier as they would be very close to Beijing.

    China has very little need to acquire those frigidly cold areas in Eastern Russia other than the natural resources there such as oil, natural gas, etc. which can be traded with manufactured goods from China. Same case with Japan and South Korea. Trade and investment is the name of the game. That’s the rationale for China’s BRI.

  317. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @sarz

    such as is implicit in the image of the emperor facing due south

    The ruler facing south is not an original Confucian concept. It is more an ancient Chinese idea.

    It goes back thousands of years before Confucianism, and most directly comes from Geomancy/Feng Shui, stemming directly from ancient shamanist/Daoist concepts of the Cosmos.

  318. Malla says:
    @Just Passing Through

    This is called “brown privilege”, when brown Indians oppress groups in their territory, it is not very activism-worthy for Western ethno-masochist liberals.

    Very true, it is this hypocritical behaviour of the Western Left is how I woke up from being a libtard myself many years ago. I supported the liberals once as I believed in a world of equality (I was an idiot then) but a lot of things about the Western libtards were just weird and suspicious. I realized the Western libtards are some of the biggest racists on this planet, anti-White racists.

    Oddly, despite being on average richer than Whites, Indians in the UK still vote overwhelmingly for Labour,

    Non Whites tend to vote for leftard parties such as Labour in the UK and Democrats in the USA even tho these parties support wierdo and leftard policies like promiscuous behaviour, anti-family policies, homosexuality etc… polices which the conservative immigrants themselves oppose for their own families/communities because they instinctively know that these leftard parties are the traitor parties, traitors to their own nations. Hence the vote for leftard parties.

    But these days both the Right and the Left parties are traitors to their own nations. That is because the Right supports Globalist Capitalism over the interests of their own nations while the new Left no longer cares about the local Working classes. The White working classes were used in the past by the Left to gain political power but now they have been tossed away like used toilet paper.

    Jews deciding to flood the West with Muslims is also good for those oppressing Muslims as people have less tendency to believe tales of Muslim oppression

    Agree

  319. Malla says:
    @Yee

    You know why India has no future? Because they’re stupid.

    Unfortunately that is true. Some of the Indian deep State folk are so childish especially w.r.t China, it scares the shit out of me. Add to that the rising arrogance of the low IQ masses all blabbering about India, this most ancient land has being humiliated by the Entire World, India needs to take her rightful place was Jagat-Guru, “World Teacher” or basically “World Leader”. You have a childish deep state and their army of low IQ zombie chattering masses.

  320. Malla says:
    @Alden

    Most of the professors admired Mao and China and carried around Mao’s Little Red Book.
    Hey ho, hey ho. Western civ has got to go the black thugs chanted. Ostensibly the black thugs meant the western civilization required course.

    How many of these misfits i.e jew marxist profs and their pet black thugs, actually escape “evul White America” and escape to the paradise of Mao’s China or jump across the Berlin Wall going to the East or swim off to Cuba? Not many, I am guessing. It is strange how the Western lovers of Marxism rarely live in outright Communist countries but still prefer to live in “evul Capitalist West”.

    Stanford invited Jesse Jackson and his thugs to rampage around campus beating up White women. Not men, but women.

    Freakin Disgusting.

    • Replies: @S
  321. @Beefcake the Mighty

    It’s not “because”, it’s “but”.

    China is not a debt predator BUT the USA is, IS a debt predator, and provides an appallingly EXTREME example of a debt predator.

    Looking at China, yes, they are lending, but not more than necessary which is precisely what the US economic hit men are for. China is assisting infrastructure development along the belt and wherever they lend. And China has shown itself capable of writing off debt.

  322. @Fatidicus

    Evidence, please. Not just wild accusations. The. Frankfurt school were Jews, he was not. That there was a joint conspiracy between him and them is not credible in the absence of evidence. He obviously had a lot on his mind, but it was not Frankfurt School economics.

    • Replies: @Fatidicus
  323. denk says:
    @Smith

    moron,

    The PLA withdrew at their own leisure, mission accomplished.

    If they were retreating with VC at hot persuit, that’d be a rout, the way your sugar daddies left Nam.

    USA a cancer’

    And yet…..
    https://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/uss-theodore-roosevelt-arrives-in-vietnam-becoming-second-us-carrier-to-visit-since-the-1970s-1.621313

    Three millions Vietnamese sacrifised their lives to kick out the great satan, for nuthin.

    How pathetic.

    P.S.
    Why cant you reply to me directly, why so shy ?

    • Replies: @Smith
  324. denk says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Hey idiot,

    What’r all these craps about the war in 1979 ?
    Is this a misdirection ?

    WTF are you still doing in Syria, Afghan, Iraq Okinawa…..?
    You aint wanted , get the fuck outta there pronto.

    You’r the cancer of the planet, get it ?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  325. @Just Passing Through

    Hence, China has a huge advantage over Russia. Russia would never engage in a nuclear exchange over some barren land and would attempt to regain it by conventional military force.

    This shows even less understanding of Russia.

    https://thebulletin.org/2014/03/why-russia-calls-a-limited-nuclear-strike-de-escalation/

  326. @Just Passing Through

    China did have hegemonic power in Asia for a millennia; the most significant intervention was just to counter the Japanese invasion of Korea. Then as now, the Chinese don’t have that particular conception of dominance; it usually comes from cultural belief of “greater civilization” to which force has been typically seen as barbaric – there are a few papers on it, which note the generally negative perception of warriors in China as opposed to Europe or Japan(as an outlier). This is why despite Uyghur’s practicing unhesitant genocide of the Han when they had power, even the Communists haven’t attempted to “reduce the Uyghur” population even through expropriation like Myanmar on Muslims. To “convert a population” or if one wants to see it as such, to “destroy their cultural distinctiveness” is a higher, more noble and more significant victory than to simply kill.

    As a nation does engage in irredentism, but on a much slower level with unusual considerations(to others). For example, I’m still oddly grateful to Germany since my ancestors were directly assisted by Germany(and even Nazi German):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German-trained_divisions_of_the_National_Revolutionary_Army

    And beyond that, China has never been as united as suggested. While the familial clan has declined, it still is a giant nation of many factions. Racial and co-ethnic unity is extremely minimal (and in many ways, explicitly discouraged due to Sinic tonghua tradition).

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Grahamsno(G64)
  327. @Malla

    Being part Mongol myself, I’ve always wondered why other Chinese seem so obsessively passive. I’m reminded of what an ancient traveler said of the Chinese: “Men of great strategy and cleverness with no valor whatsoever. It is as if cowardice is a virtue for them.”

    What is valor and what is bloodlust, I suppose, is a matter of opinion and framing.

    • Thanks: Malla
    • Replies: @Malla
  328. @denk

    Yup, paying for more Green New Deals here. Gracias!

  329. GeeBee says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Ha! Very good. But that kind of ‘logic’ apart, it’s an extraordinary statement to make. It took me a decade to get my head around it all (and I still don’t think I quite have, actually).

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  330. @Godfree Roberts

    At some point in the future, perhaps as soon as 2121, it will become communist, but that requires enormous maturity of the entire population, which will take time.

    Ah so you really are delusional

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  331. S says:
    @Alden

    Frankly, I’m surprised colleges haven’t burnt all the books published before 1980 in their libraries. The information in those libraries contradicts what’s currently taught in those colleges.

    Yes, I’m surprised about that too. I’ve been amazed at some of the stuff I’ve come across at the two ‘Making of America’ sites (online, scanned in, largely 19th century libraries of US journals, magazines, and books) each sponsored by a northern US college.

    But then, what do the powers that be have to fear? Modern US society has been increasingly dumbed down and ultimately few take the time to read and digest these old books and journals.

    Relatedly, I have heard it suggested that tptb do tell us (if at times a bit cryptically) what their plans are, which I lean towards being the case.

    I’ve concluded, sadly, that they can get away with doing that because far too many people everywhere (myself certainly being far from perfect in this regard) all too often have an aversion to hard truths, and would rather either tell themselves, or, have others tell them, comforting and reassuring (though not necessarily truthful) platitudes.

    In regards to old books being burned, should the United States experience it’s own Red October 2.0, followed by a vicious Russian style ‘Civil War’, something I think quite likely, we may yet see those old college libraries burned.

    And, in the future, Brave New World like, only a ruling council of so called self declared ‘progressive’ sorts would have access to the old writings which survive, which are kept ‘safely’ hidden away from most everyday people in a vault.

  332. @GeeBee

    No one does, it was the mind-fuck to end all mind-fucks (although Corona might give it a run for its money). Still, the main contours are reasonably clear.

  333. @fatmanscoop

    “Delusional” doesn’t even remotely describe the guy. I’m not even sure “insane” would.

    • Troll: Godfree Roberts
  334. denk says:

    On the other side of the debate, there are figures like George Soros, Peter Thiel, and disgraced and exiled billionaire criminal Guo Wengui who see the Chinese pseudo-National Socialist system as antifragile in the face of the passive liberal subversion that helped take down the Soviet Union

    .

    Dont forget the brain behind Trump’s trade blitzkrieg

    Pete Navarro,
    The Most Dangerous Man in Trump World
    How Peter Navarro could lead us into a global depression—or worse.

    Controlled demolition of the world economy.
    Mission accomplished ?

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/peter-navarro-trump-trade-china-214772

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    , @denk
  335. d dan says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    “Then as now, the Chinese don’t have that particular conception of dominance; it usually comes from cultural belief of “greater civilization”…”

    You write in excellent English, but I am afraid your writing is too “Chinese” for most western people to appreciate.

    Anyway, thank you (and several other posters) for your attempts to rebut some of the trolls and haters here. Hopefully you guys’ efforts manage to educate other more intelligent and neutral readers.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Thanks: Daniel Chieh
  336. Fatidicus says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    “Frankfurt School economics”

    The frankfurt school had little to do with economics. And I never said anything about a conspiracy. His philosophy is simply very compatible with Frankfurt schoolers. A big contribution that meshes perfectly with them is the paradox of tolerance which is the rationalization used by the neoliberal system to just handwave away the fact that it uses power to enforce itself just like any other system.

  337. @Malla

    Do you think bhutan can stay independent or is China finally wise to the Indian cunning youknow, fool me once.

  338. @Tor597

    Agree 100% on India. I want nothing to do with these people and it has more to do than lack of infrastructure. In order to manufacture you need to have a wide base of workers who can be compliant and work together. India is the opposite. Indians are good at being lawyers and pundits, but little else.

    Then if you don’t want us to complain, complain to your politicians and CEO’s who pick our best students from our best colleges and give them jobs. Why should corporate executives do this? Ask them instead of piling on us we after all aren’t Mexican mules.

  339. @denk

    Just shut the fuck up you’re just like that Holocaust wally a single minded simpleton.

  340. @eastkekiisawhiteguy

    The Chinese on these boards have told me that China is a nation of peace and that territorial expansionism is not part of their ethos.

    Why would China ever infringe on the sovereignty of a small nation like Bhutan? Surely China is a counterweight to the evil USA imperialists and only has the Third World’s best interests in mind when they foist huge loans upon low-IQ nations?

    Or is China not as harmless as they say?

  341. @Daniel Chieh

    Chinese don’t have that particular conception of dominance; it usually comes from cultural belief of “greater civilization”

    I actually believe that – Your ancient civilization didn’t glorify warriors unlike the militarism of the ‘Knights of Europe’ or the Samurai of Japan. Your civilization was always bureaucratic – the inventors of Bureaucracy – fast forwarding to the modern world I mean now how retarded is it to throw all the non basket case countries into America’s arms, fuck Trump but the Geopolitical record shows that you’ve with your immense power thrown all the countries that matter in Asia into American arms – Vietnam, South Korea, Japan and India – Australia also though that doesn’t matter – Where’s your ancient diplomatic skills – You’re in the eyes of the world a Wealthy North Korea – that’s all that it is. A Wealthy shithole like Dubai with nukes – You’ll never fire the imagination of the world with your politically embarrassing system – fucking Xi Jin Ping apps OMG give me a break Winnie the Poobah, how on earth after Mao could you again get into a cult of personality – that’s why nobody will take you seriously with your alternative model in today’s internet world we will speak and not be arrested.

    Throw money at the world but money can’t buy you love – I’m so glad that India didn’t fall for yor belt and road project – sounds like a psycho B grade horror movie.

    How fucking shameful it is to again get into a personality cult after Mao again don’t you Chinese intellectuals have an ounce of integrity?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Malla
    , @denk
  342. @Malla

    Look Malla,

    Deeply into the mirror, smearing your hair with shit and wearing blue contact lenses doesn’t make you a blue eyed blonde , how you wish you were but you aren’t , so stop degrading yourself amongst these people who calls you a ‘Streetshitter’ a ‘Wog’, have some self confidence BOY, you rant against Jews and Blacks what have they done to you in India, have you met a fucking Jew who screwed you financially or a black who shot you or your relatives – I bet not, why do you post such white nationalist shit if you’re in India, what an piece of shit you’re. Nobody respects you if you don’t respect yourself.

    I’ll give you a compliment white cocksucker – a complete waste of brains.

    • Troll: Malla
    • Replies: @Malla
  343. @Grahamsno(G64)

    Self awareness isn’t your strong suite.

  344. Malla says:
    @eastkekiisawhiteguy

    Do you think bhutan can stay independent

    Bhutan is not 100% independent. India controls it too much.

  345. Malla says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    It is definitely not about blond hair, blue eyes, vampire fangs and elvish ears. It is not only about Yemen or India or Egypt or Brazil on one hand nor only about Britain, Germany or Japan on the other. It is not about greedy kikes looting you out and masturbating to World Rule porn nor about niggers going nuts and burning down their own block.
    It is about the fuckery of the third world. A fuckery which kills ones soul, some admit it some do not. And the horror is seeing the first world inevitably (it is INEVITABLE as things look now a days) moving in the direction of the “great brotherhood of third world shitholes”. Welcome to the brotherhood, but there will be no going back if you do not like the soul killing room overlooking the slums, after checking in. It will be till the end of time.

    • Replies: @fatmanscoop
    , @S
  346. Malla says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    why other Chinese seem so obsessively passive.

    We Indians have a similar reputation too. The turbanned Sikhs of the North Western parts along with other (more Caucasoid looking) populations of the North West of the subcontinent such as the Jats, Pathan, little bit into the interior you get the desert dwelling Rajputs and the Maratha of the hills (Both still in the North West region) and the Gurkhas of the Nepali hills as well as other more Mongoloid looking North Easterners are the tough ones of the Indian subcontinent.
    The rest of the population while not passive are very thuggish but not a population good at war, indeed quite pathetic at war. They are tough and rude with each other, bully each other but when facing a real enemy army, have a reputation of peeing on the battle field and running away, screaming. Kind of, like most niggers. I blamed our Australoid ancestry for this but there might be something else at play too.

    It could be the masses of some regions of China and most of India were predominantly farming populations with huge populations. Populations lucky in owning some of the best richest agricultural real estate in the world hence larger Malthusian limits. Populations having grain heavy carbohydrate diets, populations farming the soil and bowing down to who ever is boss. Populations invaded by and conquered by and lorded over by pastoralists of the North (in China’s case Mongols, Manchus etc… in India’s case Sythians, White Huns, Turks, Mughals/Uzbeks/Mongols/Uyghurs) but populations who by sheer inertia and numbers would end up digesting its more vigorous ruler ethnics via breeding with time.

  347. Malla says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    immense power thrown all the countries that matter in Asia into American arms – Vietnam, South Korea, Japan and India – Australia

    Just like “peaceful, Gandhian, yoga & meditation and land of mysteries” India by her actions and arrogance is throwing all other South Asian countries like Nepal, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Bangladesh into Red China’s arms. I do not even bring Pakistan to the table.
    Bhutan would make the jump to the other side in a second too but they do not control their own foreign policy, Indian do it for them. The same Indians who complain about those paternalistic Brits who once ran the Government of India for them. Wot woz dat word again…. hypo… what…hypocrisis something.. hypocricket…

    • Replies: @Anon
  348. Smith says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Lost at everything? We still have our land.

    That’s not losing everything, considering we didn’t even have our land just 50 years prior.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  349. Smith says:
    @denk

    Except the USA withdrew on their own pleasure, while chinks were running so fast they leave some of their own get captured by vietnamese militiamen, as shown in the picture above in my post.

    And we sacrificed to get our independence, not to get controlled by either USA or China. China doesn’t want to free us, they just want the US out so they can invade instead. US-China then teams up to fuck viets.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @antibeast
  350. @Malla

    @Grahamsno(G64) is taking the typical Jew position. They will tell you that Jews are wonderful and whitey is evil and you need to let the Jew take you under his wing because the white man is so dangerous and you the poor brown need protection. If you’re unwilling to take that protection they hurl abuse at you.

    He’ll tell you that the white man calls you a “street shitter” but you’re supposed to ignore that the benevolent SJW is calling you an “idiot”, a “cocksucker”, and a “piece of shit”.

    These are the benevolent types that are trying to protect you from evil whitey. LOL.

    • Replies: @Malla
  351. @Smith

    You also have your stupidity and inability to comprehend but China has no interest in acquiring either.

    • Replies: @Smith
  352. Yee says:

    Just Passing Through,

    ‘’but China is very much capable of taking Eastern Russia without much trouble.‘’

    Talks like a greedy little Indian who can’t see beyond what he can grab within reach of his hand. What is grapping a little piece of land compared to the general rise of the whole country?

    It’s also typical Indian thinking to imagine the whole world is on India’s side … LOL

    Of course distance to your core region matters in a war. Because it means whether it’s possible to keep your country still running. War is not just weapons, it’s supplies and logistic.

  353. denk says:
    @denk

    Pete ‘lets smash China’ Navarro, most dangerous man in the Washington cesspool

    BUt you aint seen nuthin yet…

    [[[They]]] would bring on a global depression….or worse.

    Do you know what uncle sham does for a living ?
    He operates a demolition outfit.

    We offer a wide range of services,
    Controlled demolition of buildings,
    Controlled demolition of markets,
    Controlled demolition of the entire planet,
    Just name your price !

    The U.S. is run by xtian nutjobs who believe that [[[they]]] are gawd’s chosen ones to rule the world, its their prerogative to bring on a final conflagration in which the righteous will vanquish the wicked.”

    Exihit A
    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/mike-pence-mike-pompeo-belong-doomsday-cult-may-trying-bring-apocalypse/

    • Replies: @fatmanscoop
  354. Anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    If India was arrogant, they would’ve given support to Hindus in Bangladesh and Tamils of Sri Lanka.

    India is run by naive liberal retards. So instead of using Hindus to take over Bangladesh, they let 30 million Bangladeshi Muslims into their country.

    There’s no way British would’ve been stupid enough to let the Muslim Bangladeshi govt slaughter millions of their people. The British don’t hesitate to send their military everywhere (often slaughtering many innocents), Indian govt hesitates to send the military next door.

    India is a clown country.

  355. denk says:
    @Smith

    Wow, some stragglers lost their way got waylaid by VC militias, big deal.

    murkkans left by their own pleasure,

    ROTFLMAO, !

    You’r an even bigger idiot than I thought,
    Look at that pic, the murkkans were fighting to get on that last chopper leaving Nam.
    ‘At their pleasure‘ your ass.

    US-China then teams up to fuck viets.

    I heard as soon as the Roosevelt docked in Nam Port, thousands of GI’S fanned out to screw Viet chicks, their fav sports.
    Like Saigon in the 60’s, oh the nostalgia.

    All that sacrifice to kick out the murkkans , but back to square one now.

    Sigh….

  356. @Malla

    It is about the fuckery of the third world. A fuckery which kills ones soul, some admit it some do not. And the horror is seeing the first world inevitably (it is INEVITABLE as things look now a days) moving in the direction of the “great brotherhood of third world shitholes”. Welcome to the brotherhood, but there will be no going back if you do not like the soul killing room overlooking the slums, after checking in. It will be till the end of time.

    Could you expand a bit on what you’re referring to here, perhaps? Your posts are great reading, BTW.

    • Replies: @Malla
  357. Anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    India didn’t crush Kashmir. Kashmiri Muslims used violence to force out Hindu Pandits. Then Kashmiri Muslims started terrorism to get an independent country.

    The weak, cowardly, liberal Congress Party permitted all of this.

    White countries are more violent and nationalistic, so they take revenge for terrorist attacks. Congress are liberal retards, so they and liberal Hindu media scream about “communalism.”

    Congress retards are more anti-BJP than they are anti-Muslim.

    Sikhs killed Indira Gandhi. They waged terrorism to drive out Hindus.

    I agree with you about northeasterners, especially Bhutan. Bhutanese shouldn’t have to live with the barbarism of Hindus and even more barbaric Muslims.

    • Replies: @Malla
  358. @denk

    The U.S. is run by xtian nutjobs who believe that [[[they]]] are gawd’s chosen ones to rule the world, its their prerogative to bring on a final conflagration in which the righteous will vanquish the wicked.”

    Evangeli-idiots have a subordinate role, it’s clearly not correct to say that they have serious influence or “run” the USA. They just suborn themselves to the order – e.g. making fools of themselves by completely misreading the Bible in order to demonstrate their submission to Jewry.

    • Replies: @denk
  359. Smith says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    If China has no need to acquiring Vietnam, China wouldn’t occupy and vassalage Vietnam.

    You are speaking bold lies despite the historical precedence and modern history. Government changes, but the geopolitics remain the same.

    Also, for the chink shills who continue to repeat the lies about how Vietnam “expansionist”, please list the formal complaints of other nations to the UN against Vietnam when Vietnam invaded Kampuchea to remove Pol Pot (who attacked Vietnam first btw).

    This bold lie continues to be peddled here and I will be here to question every freaking times, and show how the chinks betrayed the Marxist/Commienism world in the 70s by siding with americans to fuck Vietnam and USSR by proxy.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  360. @Smith

    If China has no need to acquiring Vietnam, China wouldn’t occupy and vassalage Vietnam.

    Its adorable that you think that you’re so valuable, but Annam was a time when land equaled wealth. That isn’t the case anymore.

    This bold lie continues to be peddled here and I will be here to question every freaking times, and show how the chinks betrayed the Marxist/Commienism

    I am literally the descendant of Chinese trained and armed by fascists who killed commies their entire life.

    This “betrayal” of Marx hurts me deep, it really does.

  361. @Anonymous

    Worst pandemic in 100 years??? H1N1 killed more people than this.

  362. denk says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    I’m so glad that India didn’t fall for yor belt and road project – sounds like a psycho B grade horror movie.

    Agreed.
    You Hindutva habors an exceptionalism just like your anglo cousins.
    If you dont run the show, no deal.
    Every regional initiatives were wrecked by your participation /absence.

    SAARC
    OBOR,
    BRICS
    RCEP
    YOu name it.

    Your absence is welcomed.
    Goodbye and good riddance.

    After all, you guys always prefer to brown nose your anglo cousins innit ?

    https://www.island.lk/2006/03/01/features7.html

  363. Malla says:
    @fatmanscoop

    Could you expand a bit on what you’re referring to here, perhaps?

    Well you can say my main philosophy is ‘First Worldism.’ You could say Ryan Faulk is my guru of sorts because his ideas seemed the most sensible to me. Maybe Mr. Unz could invite him to write articles here. What I mean is that the populations of Third World nations ON AVERAGE make choices choices due to which we remain third world shitholes full of despair, poverty, depression, suffering and fuckery. And these tendencies are more common in brown black populations both culturally and genetically. And I am brown and I have lived/traveled for years in the Third World both India and other countries as well as many First World countries.
    And with time, I see the West becoming more and more third world (because of the falling percentage of White population, race mixing & third world like behaviour pushed by the Satanic Cultural Marxist media). There will be fewer First Worlds to escape to in case you get tired of the Third World.

    Your posts are great reading, BTW.

    Many thanks for your kind words.

    • Replies: @fatmanscoop
  364. Malla says:
    @Anon

    India didn’t crush Kashmir.

    We did. Our Government just did not tell us. I came to know all this much later. But that is what happens in many nations. See how brain washed many Chinese are here. Their Govt will not tell them what they do in Tibet or Xinjiang. Even Bangladesh has its own separatist problem, where the Chittagong Hill Tracts people want independence from Dhaka and the Bangladeshi Govt brutally suppresses them.

    Kashmiri Muslims used violence to force out Hindu Pandits.

    The Pundits were considered traitors by the other Kashmiris who want independence from India. Anyways what was done to Kashmiri Pundits was wrong and they should be given justice too.

    White countries are more violent and nationalistic, so they take revenge for terrorist attacks.

    Sometimes they do, sometimes they do not. When London was bombed, not many Muslims living in the UK were attacked by native Brits. There was no large scale anti-Muslim riots.

  365. Malla says:

    If India was arrogant, they would’ve given support to Hindus in Bangladesh and Tamils of Sri Lanka.

    We do interfere in our neighbouring countries. Our external secret service RAW (Research & Analysis Wing trained by the CIA after the 1962 war debacle with P.R. China) engineers election victories in places like Sri Lanka and Nepal for parties more friendlier to India. We sneakily tried to screw PM KP Sharma Oli of Nepal and Mahinda Rajapaksa Govt of Sri Lanka. If a neighbouring nation tries to chalk a more independent path for themselves we cannot stand it and try to interfere. There are many many such cases which are rarely spoken about in our media but if you check out Nepali, Sri Lankan or Bangladeshi media or some Bhutanese blogs, you come to know all this. And the more we interfere, more they run to China’s scaley dragon arms.
    Posters DB Cooper and denk have many posts on this subjects and most of them are true.

    The British don’t hesitate to send their military everywhere (often slaughtering many innocents), Indian govt hesitates to send the military next door.

    Sending the military actually makes you look bad and history will record you as an aggressor. Better to us secret services to get your work done.

    So instead of using Hindus to take over Bangladesh, they let 30 million Bangladeshi Muslims into their country.

    Yeah those 30 million should be kept out. By the way the Sheikh Hassina Govt (Awami legue party) of Bangladesh is more secular and thus more friendlier to non Muslims like Bangladeshi Hindus. Many Bangladeshi nationalists/ Islamists consider her a traitor to Bangladesh and stooge of India.
    Even Indian media like the print.in write about this
    https://theprint.in/opinion/global-print/why-india-supports-the-invincible-sheikh-hasina-who-is-censoring-democracy-in-bangladesh/171970/
    Why India supports the invincible Sheikh Hasina—who is censoring democracy in Bangladesh

    [MORE]

    Bangladeshi newspaper Dhaka Tribune on how the present PM claimed that the anti-Indian Bangladeshi party BNP was close to RAW too. How close the Indian external secret service RAW was with the now opposition Bangladeshi party, the BNP (Not the British BNP political party or the French banking corporation BTW, dis 1 is da Bangladesh Nationalist Party ) when they were in power.
    https://www.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/politics/2017/03/11/raw-agent-bnp
    PM: A RAW agent was always in BNP office

    Posted by Raisuddin Anwar on Tuesday, December 31, 2013

    Some low IQ muslim fundu from Bangladesh on Facebook. LOL
    SHEIKH HASINA IS AN AGENT OF INDIAN POLYTHEISTS AND THE U.S. CRUSADERS
    These low IQ Muslim fundus and our low IQ Hindu fundus are quite a bunch.

    https://scroll.in/article/939979/in-bangladesh-a-students-murder-opens-a-window-on-rising-anti-india-sentiment-across-the-border
    In Bangladesh, a student’s murder opens a window on rising anti-India sentiment across the border
    Rising anti-India sentiment amongst Bangladeshi youth because of India’s close interference in Bangladeshi affairs.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  366. Malla says:
    @suicidal_canadian

    Hey thanks for your post.

    He’ll tell you that the white man calls you a “street shitter” but you’re supposed to ignore

    The same B.S. Uncle Tom B.S. Truth is the truth “Street shitter” or “head wobbler” Facts are facts and I will continue sayin it.

    Jew take you under his wing because the white man is so dangerous and you the poor brown need protection.

    This brown man needs protection from Whitey is prime grade B.S. Actually the Brown man needs to team up with Whitey and Yellow man and Red man and even Black man to protect us from becoming slaves of the (((chosen))).

    I do not know who this Grahamsno(G64) is. He however does not seem Jewish as he has written about the holohoax B.S.
    Maybe he is Indian. There may be more Indians on Unz than I thought.

  367. @antibeast

    Lots of Chinese immigrants and/or Chinese tourists visit, live or work in these Asian cities.

    Your reasoning is simplistic and deceptive because you keep referring generically to “Chinese tourists” and “Chinese immigrants”. Most Chinese tourists do not come from Wuhan, as you appear to insinuate, which is not even among the five most populated cities in the country, whereas Chinese immigrants could not have been carriers if they had not just recently visited Wuhan. Infected hot spots develop from secondary and tertiary carriers, and so on; Chinese people are not required for this infection process chain.

    One unknowingly infected person sneezing into the air within a crowded soccer stadium on a windy day, or at a Carnival parade crowded with onlookers, can infect far more people than an infected Chinese tourist from Wuhan visiting museums and town centers.

    Regarding your questions about Italy, you will find some clues in this recent article, elsewhere on this site:

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/coronavirus-devastates-italy-is-it-the-result-of-globalism-and-free-trade/

  368. antibeast says:
    @Smith

    Except the USA withdrew on their own pleasure, while chinks were running so fast they leave some of their own get captured by vietnamese militiamen, as shown in the picture above in my post.

    The USA withdrew because the US military could never win a guerrilla war in Vietnam despite deploying all its hardware and firepower against the country and its people. That’s the lesson that the French and Americans learned the hard way after two decades fighting a faceless enemy during the Vietnam War.

    Mao invented the protracted “People’s War” which the Vietnamese copied from the Chinese Communists. But Deng made a tactical decision to launch a frontal assault against the Vietnamese who then adopted guerrilla warfare after the PLA punched through the Vietnamese frontlines. When the Chinese discovered that the Vietnamese were using civilian militias to attack PLA soldiers, Deng then realized his tactical mistake and ordered an abrupt withdrawal.

    How do you fight a country and its people?

    The answer: you don’t. Deng changed his tactics by adopting the Maoist strategy of fighting a war of attrition: constantly harassing the Vietnamese by luring them to the Sino-Vietnamese border, intermittently shelling the border towns, launching surprise lightning attacks followed by abrupt withdrawals, supporting anti-Vietnamese rebels in Cambodia, etc. That kind of long-duration, low-level conflict wore down the Vietnamese to the point that their border towns suffered much damage while their economy sputtered from their military expenditures.

    Westerners view this type of “asymmetric warfare” as cowardice but that’s a very Chinese way of warfare as enunciated in Sun Tzu’s Art of War. By the way, Chiang also adopted this strategy of fighting a war of attrition against the Imperial Japanese Army after having lost his best divisions during the Battle of Shanghai. He knew that the Chinese Nationalist Army could not beat the Japanese head-on so he fought them using the vastness of China as his strategy of “space-and-time” against the Japanese. That strategy wore out the Japanese who then made their biggest mistake by attacking Pearl Harbor and invading Southeast Asia.

    The rest, as they say, is history.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  369. denk says:
    @fatmanscoop

    OK, may be [[[they]]] aint real xtians.

    But it remains that the [[[deep state]]], CIA, MI5, are crawling with such satanists who believe in the biblical notion of breaking the seals and release the four horsemen apocalypse , thats [[[their]]] idea of salvation.

    Exihibit B

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/no-weapon-left-behind-the-american-hybrid-war-on-china/#comment-3743459

  370. antibeast says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Will Chinese be claiming they invented the iPhone next?

    Apple didn’t invent anything, not even the smartphone. The only thing Apple did was to design the software and market the iPhone brand and then outsource everything else to East Asian manufacturers.

    Almost all the electronics technology that goes into the iPhone are sourced from East Asia. I mean — literally everything — chipsets, lcd screen, sensors, battery, PCBA, components — come from East Asian companies — which are then assembled in China by East Asian contract manufacturers.

  371. @phil

    Average living standards in China are below Mexico by what measure??? You confuse nominal GDP with living standards. So by what measure?? Not life expectancy – not safety – not healthcare – no education – not transportation – not economic growth – not savings – not retirement benefits… China is ahead of Mexico in all those quantifiable measures – if with a lower US dollar – nominal GDP.

  372. @Ayatollah Smith

    What you say about mortgages and owning homes is very true… Though Chinese have begun to use mortgages more often. Same with cars and credit cards. A generation ago no one financed or leased a car and no one used credit cards. They do now though. Granted it is FAR below US levels – and still less than Germany and Japan – but it has crept up. The government will need to keep a watch on that.

    But yeah – most Americans have absolutely no clue about China.

  373. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    China did not want to commit to endless counter-insurgency in Vietnam, which would have been stupid. Why conquer a country you can’t keep? So they backed off.

    Vietnam is now adopting the Western tactic of verbal shaming of China for “cowardice”, but of course such things have no effect in Asia.
    Vietnam was smart to use insurgency against the United States, and China was smart to withdraw from Vietnam. End of story.

    The attrition strategy employed by China was certainly not out of choice. Even Sun Tzu himself was against any kind of prolonged warfare, unless the alternative is losing. Then, if attrition is the last option, don’t hesitate to use it to the full.

    China would probably admit that the extended conflict, consisting of cross-border raids, shelling and short incursions by armored forces, followed by quick withdrawal, was in fact more costly in lives and expended resources, than an outright decisive victory in 1979. But it was a far less risky strategy to employ.

    China made full use of its strategic advantages, while at the same time letting the People’s Liberation Army learn how to fight the People’s Army of Vietnam. As the 1980’s wore on, the PAVN advantage in combat experience waned, while the PLA became increasingly efficient.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @antibeast
  374. @FvS

    2) LOL – the NSA is the top hacking entity in the world. China has been busy trying to catch up (and may have).

    3) US universities desperately need the high tuition rates Chinese students pay

    4) Many local governments heavily rely on the sale of real estate to Chinese investors.

    Now that revenue could be subsidized if from your don’t list – the US gov stops trying to confront China militarily in Asia. If that money is funneled back into the US – as it should be – then 3 and 4 might work.

  375. @Malla

    & third world like behaviour pushed by the Satanic Cultural Marxist media

    It’s a cult/religion that flows from the myth of the holocaust, and it’s pushed by every single dominant body. In my country (Britain), this Cultural Marxist cult completely grips the whole government apparatus, and is actually written into law so that its tenets dominate every single government decision. The British people (relatively quiet, not prone to rebellion) keep on strongly signalling their dissent… but this encourages deep state cultists to assert the deranged ‘logic’ of their cult ever more strongly. I see them in action every day in the work that I do.

    It’s very distressing and is the fuckery of the (supposedly) first world, and demoralising to the point that white Americans seem to be close to having given up.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @S
    , @denk
  376. @antibeast

    In many ways you are correct. The WIPO just announced in the past couple of weeks that China has replaced the US as the nation with the most international patent filings. For a “fun” exercise I would love to see what percentage of those patent filings has people who went to US schools. I personally don’t think it will be that high (especially considering they are a small percentage of overall college students in China).

    • Replies: @antibeast
  377. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Well the West has to keep up the propaganda that the Nationalists were the “good guys” against the “evil communists”. They never mention that for 40 after they fled the mainland to Taiwan that they had the longest running martial law recorded. Those are inconvenient facts.

    As to pretending the Japanese didn’t commit atrocities against Chinese… Give it a rest – there were Japanese who admitted regret at Nanjing. But most famously are the letters of a certain Nazi who was living there who saved Chinese people from the Japanese (he was NOT the only foreigner) and even wrote back to his fellow Nazis that maybe they should rethink partnering with people as brutal as the Japanese.
    It wasn’t in mainland China only. Go throughout all of South East Asia and you will find records of people who lived it that noted the Japanese specifically targeted ethnic Chinese. Japan had a centuries and even millennia long resentment against the Chinese – who looked down at the Japanese as barbaric pirates. Aside from the fact they prevented Japan from taking Korea in the past. The Japanese were trying to eliminate as many Chinese as possible. Nanjing was but once instance.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  378. @Just Passing Through

    Huh? China held on to a piece of Vietnamese territory until the 1990’s when they made a formal peace agreement… Then China gave it back. There was shelling going on for a decade but Vietnam couldn’t take it back. In the interim – China also completely dislodged Vietnam from the Paracel Islands. You don’t read the real history.

  379. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    China did not want to commit to endless counter-insurgency in Vietnam, which would have been stupid. Why conquer a country you can’t keep? So they backed off.

    Correct. That was exactly my point.

    Vietnam is now adopting the Western tactic of verbal shaming of China for “cowardice”, but of course such things have no effect in Asia. Vietnam was smart to use insurgency against the United States, and China was smart to withdraw from Vietnam. End of story.

    Correct. Westerners tend to view Asia from their Western lens which has disastrous results as proven time and again not only in Vietnam but in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. In fact, some Western historians even condescend to such kind of “fake war” which the Chinese have long mastered as their Art of War. The Vietnamese should know better because they copied the Chinese Art of War against the French and later the Americans.

    The attrition strategy employed by China was certainly not out of choice. Even Sun Tzu himself was against any kind of prolonged warfare, unless the alternative is losing. Then, if attrition is the last option, don’t hesitate to use it to the full.

    The Korean War was where the PLA actually learned not to engage a superior enemy in prolonged conflict. The PLA punched through the US frontlines and succeeded in pushing back the US military all the way to the 38th parallel. Instead of withdrawing, Mao made the tactical mistake of continuing to attack the US military behind enemy lines. That allowed the US military to fight back using their superior firepower against the combined Chinese and the North Korean Armies which sustained heavy losses from the border battles. That war ended in a stalemate as Mao realized the futility of continuing to fight the US military.

    China would probably admit that the extended conflict, consisting of cross-border raids, shelling and short incursions by armored forces, followed by quick withdrawal, was in fact more costly in lives and expended resources, than an outright decisive victory in 1979. But it was a far less risky strategy to employ.

    The Chinese soldiers had to fight civilian militias who were indistinguishable from the local population. That was guerrilla warfare which the Vietnamese employed against the French and Americans. So what’s the point of holding captured territory if you had to deal with the people as your enemy? If the Chinese behaved like the Americans then you would have seen My Lai type massacres all over again.

    China made full use of its strategic advantages, while at the same time letting the People’s Liberation Army learn how to fight the People’s Army of Vietnam. As the 1980’s wore on, the PAVN advantage in combat experience waned, while the PLA became increasingly efficient.

    The Chinese economy was already booming during the 80s after Deng’s market reforms. So the PLA now had better equipment, more resources, higher morale, etc. compared to the economic deprivation of the 70s. In Vietnam, the opposite was true: its decrepit economy was rapidly deteriorating from the constant need to maintain war readiness, its political isolation as a diplomatic pariah deprived it of geopolitical allies, and lastly almost four decades of constant warfare sapped the political will of the CPV and the PAVN. After the Fall of the Soviet Union, Vietnam had no choice but to submit to the will of the world, literally, the WORLD.

  380. @Malla

    When will India start flooding Kashmir with Hindus is what I want to know. I read they recently passed a law declaring that anyone who has lived there for 15 years is a “Kashmiri” and can have the same rights as old stock Kashmiris, this seems like weak sauce to me considering even Western nations pursue the replacement of their own population with more zeal judging from the fact that one can gain citizenship on the UK after living here for merely 5 years, in Germany it is 8.

    And hasn’t Pakistan done something similar to its portion of Kashmir? Here in the UK I hear a lot of Pakistanis claiming to be Kashmiris but on further research it seems most are Punjabis, but then again, these shape shifters also claim to be “British” when it suits them so this sort of deception is not too surprising. So such a move would be not unprecedented.

    It will be hilarious seeing the Western media complain about demographic changes in Kashmir, no doubt they will be talking about the importance of preserving the “Kashmiri identity” as opposed to denouncing them all as far-right neo-Nazis like they do to those who oppose demographic changes in Western nations.

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  381. @showmethereal

    It wasn’t in mainland China only. Go throughout all of South East Asia and you will find records of people who lived it that noted the Japanese specifically targeted ethnic Chinese

    And not just Chinese.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimizuka

    The Mimizuka (耳塚, “Ear Mound”, often translated as “Ear Tomb”), an alteration of the original Hanazuka (鼻塚, “Nose Mound”)[1][2][3] is a monument in Kyoto, Japan, dedicated to the sliced noses of killed Korean soldiers and civilians[4][5] as well as Ming Chinese troops[6] taken as war trophies during the Japanese invasions of Korea from 1592 to 1598. The monument enshrines the severed noses of at least 38,000 Koreans killed during Toyotomi Hideyoshi’s invasions.[7][8][9] The shrine is located just to the west of Toyokuni Shrine, the Shinto shrine honoring Hideyoshi in Kyoto.

    Japanese chroniclers on the second invading campaign mention that the ears hacked off the faces of the massacred were also of ordinary civilians[14] mostly in the provinces Gyeongsang, Jeolla, and Chungcheong.[2]:pp. 475–476 In the second invasion Hideyoshi’s orders were thus:

    “Mow down everyone universally, without discriminating between young and old, men and women, clergy and the laity—high ranking soldiers on the battlefield, that goes without saying, but also the hill folk, down to the poorest and meanest—and send the heads to Japan.”

    It essentially became policy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Alls_Policy

    The Three Alls Policy (Chinese: 三光政策; pinyin: Sānguāng Zhèngcè, Japanese: 三光作戦 Sankō Sakusen) was a Japanese scorched earth policy adopted in China during World War II, the three “alls” being “kill all, burn all, loot all”

    Asians have long memories. The Koreans very much remember the Japanese for their actions.

    The first recorded anti-Japanese attitudes in Korea were effects of the Japanese pirate raids and the later 1592−98 Japanese invasions of Korea. Sentiments in contemporary society are largely attributed to the Japanese rule in Korea from 1910–45. According to a BBC World Service Poll conducted in 2013, 67% of South Koreans view Japan’s influence negatively, and 21% express a positive view. This puts South Korea behind mainland China as the country with the second most negative feelings of Japan in the world

    South Korea attitudes toward Japan have worsened since then.

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  382. S says:
    @Malla

    How many of these misfits i.e jew marxist profs and their pet black thugs, actually escape “evul White America” and escape to the paradise of Mao’s China or jump across the Berlin Wall going to the East or swim off to Cuba? Not many, I am guessing.

    Not many is right.

    One ‘misfit’ who did was Lee Harvey Oswald. Of course, after a few years, he returned to the United States as the ‘worker’s paradise’ didn’t entirely agree with him. [Yes, I think Oswald may have been ‘guided’ by hidden hands towards the assassination of the progressive John F Kennedy, those guiding hands either being elements, possibly ‘rogue’, of the US or Soviet establishment. I also think, as a microcosm, that Oswald was perfectly capable of the assassination all by himself.]

    [MORE]

    In the ‘black thug’ category was the convicted rapist and ‘revolutionary’ Eldridge Cleaver who went to Cuba. IIRC Cleaver was the one who concluded (paraphrasing slightly) that Communist Cuba was ‘one great big prison’. Like Oswald, he too would ultimately return to the United States.

    While I don’t care for, or approve of, a great many of his life actions, Cleaver should be given some credit for his willingness to publically acknowledge past errors, something most people (whatever their race or ethnicity) are not prepared to do.

    Some quotes of Cleaver in regards to Communism, after having some first hand experience with that system.

    “Pig [police] power in America was infuriating, but pig power in the communist framework was awesome and unaccountable.”

    “I have taken an oath in my heart to oppose communism until the day I die.”

    Thought I’d throw in Cleaver’s thoughts on the actual ‘motivation(s)’ (from a Black male perspective) which is ‘often’ behind the Black male/White female relationships, motivations which he describes as being of a ‘bloody’, ‘hateful’, ‘bitter’, and ‘malignant’ nature.

    “I know that the black man’s sick attitude toward the white woman is a revolutionary sickness: it keeps him perpetually out of harmony with the system that is oppressing him. Many whites flatter themselves with the idea that the Negro male’s lust and desire for the white dream girl is purely an esthetic attraction, but nothing could be further from the truth. His motivation is often of such a bloody, hateful, bitter, and malignant nature that whites would really be hard pressed to find it flattering.”

    https://www.inspiringquotes.us/author/4117-eldridge-cleaver

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  383. @Just Passing Through

    Not that truth makes any sense to you… But testosterone in males has been dropping for at least 2 generations in the United States… Simply type it into your web browser to find a plethora of studies.

  384. @Anonymous

    From non biased sources – your explanation seems to be closest to the truth of what happened. Let’s be honest – the people who claim that China got beat by Vietnam or that China wanted to occupy Vietnam are just upset that the US had to leave Vietnam. Even worse knowing that China was helping North Vietnam against the US – based on their experience in Korea.

  385. S says:
    @Malla

    Welcome to the brotherhood, but there will be no going back if you do not like the soul killing room overlooking the slums, after checking in. It will be till the end of time.

    In regards to race and race mixing, far too many folks amongst the Euro people’s (ie ‘Whites’) seem to have this weird unspoken idea that changing your race is merely like changing your clothes, ie no big deal. One wonders if those of this mentality think they can simply change back racially if they don’t like their new racial suit of clothes? Of course, one can’t, as you indicate. Should the forces behind this racial change ultimately succeed, it is indeed intended for the end of time.

    I’ve commented before about the political and spiritual forebears of today’s self described ‘progressives’ of the Anglosphere as having been the slave dealers/owners of England and New England, ie powerful elements and hangers on of the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish people. Needless to say the Anglosphere has had a very great influence on this so called ‘progressive’ global movement, in both it’s Capitalist and Communist manifestations, leading the way as it were towards these closely paralleling economic systems synthesis in global Multi-culturalism.

    As a related aside, when exactly did these described elites and hangers on reform themselves in regards to slavery? Was it when they simply distilled chattel slavery and it’s trade to it’s financial essence, ie monetized it, with the 19th century introduction of the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, much more accurately called wage slavery, under cover of ‘abolitionism’, or, was it when they adopted the term ‘migrant stock’ for the ‘immigrants’ they claim to care so much about?

    ‘Stock’ is first and foremost defined as ‘merchandise’.

    https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/migration/data/estimates2/estimates15.asp

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  386. @Beefcake the Mighty

    China held Vietnamese territory until they signed an accord in 1991. China also removed Vietnam from the Paracel Islands in that time. Cambodia quickly pivoted away from Vietnam to China today. China apparently fights more wisely. China achieved all of that and didn’t have to bomb millions of civilians and cause their deaths. Oh and for the record – the US also backed the Khmer Rogue (though covertly as usual rather than bravely and openly) for the same reason China did… To prevent further Soviet influence in the region. Now even China and Russia have made amends. Vietnam has to ask US help in the South China Sea. So please explain in what way or fashion did Vietnam win anything against China.

    • Agree: antibeast
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  387. A qualification to my previous commentary, and addressing the general thesis of this article:

    While it may be a largely or wholly correct interpretation of e.g. Alex Jones’ anti-‘Chicom’ crusade that it is a finance-capital/oligarchic program to eliminate a rival in the CCP/non-central-bank-owned China –which Jones has merely gotten on board with for one reason or another — I must recognize the plausibility and even high probability that the CCP is engaged in subversive and destructive activity in the USA. For example, but only a limited example, to the extent the Trump faction wanted to re-industrialize and re-nationalize away from the globalist program, it is highly likely that the CCP would use active measures to counteract this. The same way the USA imperial apparat empowers compradors in countries to deracinate and loot, it would be only logical that the CCP would do the same thing here. Feinstein, Wall St, etc.

    This is the other side of the story here, and it should not be considered mutually exclusive with Striker’s excellent portrayal of the hypocrisy and mendacity of the oligarchs and their front-men, and certainly does not imply that we should take up a crusade to dislodge the CCP from power in China. We can play defense, get our own house in order, take corrective measures and put them back in their own yard.

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  388. @antibeast

    One quibble… NYC has the largest Chinese population in the western world…. That said – it is proven that the virus got to NY from Europe and not China.

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  389. S says:
    @fatmanscoop

    The British people (relatively quiet, not prone to rebellion) keep on strongly signalling their dissent… but this encourages deep state cultists to assert the deranged ‘logic’ of their cult ever more strongly. I see them in action every day in the work that I do.

    I liken it to the scene in Logan’s Run where Logan and Jessica attempt to tell the people about to undergo ‘Carousel’ (where no one in reality, despite expectations and what they are told, comes out alive) that they don’t have to die at 30. The ‘candidates’ listen for a moment, then dutifully go back to submitting to their own carefully conditioned self-destruction.

    That Anglo-Saxon ‘Founding Fathers’ of the Capitalist United States such as Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, apparently Ben Franklin as well, the heaviest hitters, were also quite involved with the French Communist Revolution of 1789, should by itself tell a person ‘there’s something rotten in the state of Denmark’ in regards to the whole so called ‘progressive’ Capitalist/Communist, ‘Right’/’Left’, conservative/liberal, paradigm which has been at play since those times.

    It’s the power of the Big Lie that so many people continue to take seriously in any way this centuries old manufactured Hegelian Dialectic.

  390. Miro23 says:
    @Malla

    B.S. As an Indian I can tell you, India and most Indians are greatly butt hurt by China’s rise. Of course the Pakis are enemy number 1 but India wants to be something bigger than just ‘enemy of failed state Pakistan’.

    Indian hubris is spectacular. I’m not sure why.

    Can’t they see that see that Chinese infrastructure is far superior to anything that India has put together, and Chinese depth in manufacturing skills and supplier networks is also light years ahead of anything in India.

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  391. Miro23 says:
    @GeeBee

    “Compare that with the 9/11 event, after which it was possible for critical observers to know within half a day who was behind ‘it.’

    Half a day? You knew it was done by Mossad/US deep state using Saudi ‘patsies’ in just twelve hours? Pray tell how this was possible…

    I’m quite well informed, and read the 9/11 Commission Report, but it took me years until I discovered the Building 7 fakery and put the pieces together.

  392. denk says:
    @anon8383892

    I must recognize the plausibility and even high probability [SIC] that the CCP is engaged in subversive and destructive activity in the USA

    murkkan projection knows no bound…

    or rather,

    Wolf crying out wolves.

  393. denk says:
    @fatmanscoop

    this encourages deep state cultists to assert the deranged ‘logic’ of their cult ever more strongly. I see them in action every day in the work that I do.

    Ever heard of The Fellowship ?
    I understand [[[they]]] are embedded deep inside the [[[five liars]]] deep state.

    ‘“Genghis Khan’s genius”,

    [MORE]

    David went on, “lay in his understanding that there could be only one king. When Genghis entered a defeated city, he would call in the local headman. Conversion to the Khan’s cause was not an option, as Genghis was uninterested in halfhearted deputies. Instead, said David, Genghis would have the man stuffed into a crate, and over the crate’s surface would be spread a tablecloth, on which a wonderful meal would be arrayed.

    “And then, while the man suffocated, Genghis ate, and he didn’t even hear the man’s screams.”

    David stood on the couch, a finger in the air. “Do you know what that means?”

    To their credit, my brothers did not. Perhaps on account of my earlier insight, David turned to me. “I think so,” I said. “Out with the old, in with the new.”

    Yes, he nodded. “Christ’s parable of the wineskins. You can’t pour new into old.” One day, he continued, some monks from Europe show up in Genghis Khan’s court. Genghis welcomes them in the name of God. Says that in truth, they worship the same great Lord. Then why, the monks ask, must he conquer the world? “I don’t ask,” says Genghis. “I submit.”

    David returned to his chair. “We elect our leaders,” he said. “Jesus elects his.”

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/#comment-3703229

  394. Malla says:
    @Just Passing Through

    When will India start flooding Kashmir with Hindus is what I want to know.

    There are talks of doing that Israeli settler style soon. The recent cancellation of Kashmir’s special status within India is a step in that direction. However Kashmiri Pundits do really have a right to live there as they were kicked out by the majority muslims. So if Kashmiri Pundits can somehow go back, it will be justice. but they could be easily settled in the region called jammu in the state which is majority Hindu anyways.

    And hasn’t Pakistan done something similar to its portion of Kashmir?

    Yes, that is what I have heard. Am not surprised, if they did. Pakistan did the same thing in Baluchistan, flooded the black with Pastuns/Pathans and reduced the percentage of Baloch in their own lands.

    It will be hilarious seeing the Western media complain about demographic changes in Kashmir, no doubt they will be talking about the importance of preserving the “Kashmiri identity” as opposed to denouncing them all as far-right neo-Nazis like they do to those who oppose demographic changes in Western nations.

    True, Western libtards are idiot hypocrites.

  395. Malla says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    The problem (one of many) with the Team China retards here is that they fail (or refuse) to comprehend that the US and China exist symbiotically, not antagonistically (TV bits aside)

    What is interesting is that the relationship of China with the USA of today w.r.t the rest of the world, looks so similar to the relationship in between the USA & USSR to the European Colonial Powers of the post WW2 period. China is this new Messiah nation bringing development to the world as against the old senile power of the USA. Many decades back USA & the USSR were these great messiah powers, young and cool, with their own ideas of the development for the world as against the senile, falling Euro-Jap Colonial Powers. History repeating it self.
    Will India be tomorrow’s Messiah? Is this whole thing a freaking scripted play? Will Israel be the Last and Final Messiah, THE Messiah.

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  396. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    In many ways you are correct. The WIPO just announced in the past couple of weeks that China has replaced the US as the nation with the most international patent filings. For a “fun” exercise I would love to see what percentage of those patent filings has people who went to US schools. I personally don’t think it will be that high (especially considering they are a small percentage of overall college students in China).

    In the 80s and 90s, most of the Chinese students from the PRC went to the top Western Universities for their PhDs, mostly in STEM disciplines. Now there are still PhD students from the PRC but they’re outnumbered by the spoiled brats who can’t get into the highly competitive State-funded public universities in China who then apply for and get admitted to expensive private colleges/universities in the USA. They hardly major in anything, just some BS in anything, and spend all their time and money partying with their sports cars, luxury goods, opulent mansions, etc.

    There’s a myth that Chinese scientists/engineers must have acquired their technology from the West, either by copying or theft. That happened during the 80s and 90s when China was catching up to the West. But in emerging industries such as AI, electric vehicles, 4G/5G telecommunications, cloud computing, etc., Chinese scientists/engineers have managed to create their own indigenous technologies after learning from the West. There are Western MNCs today who hire Chinese scientists/engineers who were locally-educated/trained to do R&D in China. As China’s economy shifts from infrastructure and manufacturing industries to technology and services industries, this trend will accelerate over the next three decades.

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  397. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    One quibble… NYC has the largest Chinese population in the western world…. That said – it is proven that the virus got to NY from Europe and not China.

    Not NYC but the San Francisco Bay Area.

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  398. Malla says:
    @S

    In regards to race and race mixing, far too many folks amongst the Euro people’s (ie ‘Whites’) seem to have this weird unspoken idea that changing your race is merely like changing your clothes, ie no big deal.

    They are idiots. Even a street kid in India would know race is deep. Here we take it for granted that different ethnic groups have different tendencies on average.

    Needless to say the Anglosphere has had a very great influence on this so called ‘progressive’ global movement,

    Why is the Anglospere so much into this phenomenon? Is it a type of protestant Christianity which drives this? Are some of these Anglo elites really Anglo or are are they secret marranos/conversos/ mixed with Jews?

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  399. Malla says:
    @Miro23

    Indian hubris is spectacular. I’m not sure why.

    Hubris is very common in the brown black world & this is what Jew media hides from Westerners. According to the Satanic marxist lying Western media, brown blacks are all wise kind people living in harmony with nature or with each other, full of ancient wisdom or some B.S. while Whites especially Nords or East Asians especially Japs are these evil, racist, aggressive, backward people who need to get over their privilege. Obviously that is a B.S., there is more hubris and survivalist xenophobia in the brown black (& Jewish) world. As with most things in Hollywood, we see an inversion of reality.
    The brown black world has more of this chest thumping, big man tendencies. Blacks show these tendencies more than us browns. Add to that superiority inferiority complex feelings w.r.t the White world and even the Yellow world up to some extent.
    Even the Chinese show such hubris w.r.t the Japanese for example. But still far less than what we have in India.

    As far as India in particular, this is old stuff, this is old tradition.

    The Great Persian philosopher Al-Beruni in his book on India wrote about us about a 1000 years ago:

    “In the fifth place, there are other causes, the mentioning of which sounds like a satire—peculiarities of their national character, deeply rooted in them, but manifest to everybody. We can only say, folly is an illness for which there is no medicine, and the Hindus believe that there is no country but theirs, no nation like theirs, no kings like theirs, no religion like theirs, no science like theirs. They are haughty, foolishly vain, self-conceited, and stolid. They are by nature niggardly in communicating that which they know, and they take the greatest possible care to withhold it from men of another caste among their own people, still much more, of course from any foreigner. According to their belief, there is no other country on earth but theirs, no other race of man but theirs, and no created beings besides them have any knowledge or science whatsoever. Their haughtiness is such that, if you tell them of any science or scholar in Khurasan and Persis, they will think you to be both an ignoramus and a liar.

    Old habits die hard!!

  400. Malla says:
    @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    Vietnam to invaded the whole South East Asian is nothing more than a hoax.

    Yeah, this Vietnam planning to conquer all of South East Asia sounds like B.S. to me. Especially after all the loss of life and property in the war against the USA (& even France). Yeah conquering all of South East Asia, taking on the armies of Thailand, Burma/Myanmar, Indonesia, Malaysia etc… after the devastating war with the Americans. Ya rite!!! Only an idiot would believe something like that.

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  401. Malla says:
    @S

    If I am not mistaken when Lee Harvey Oswald asked for citizenship in the USSR, the Soviet authorities though that he must be nuts for wanting to leave the USA and wanting to get Soviet citizenship. But you are right, the guy was most probably a controlled patsy.

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  402. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    It were Chinese nationalist troops who committed atrocities which was pushed on the Imperial Japanese via propaganda.
    After the battle, many Nanking citizens, who had abhorred bad deeds done by the Chinese military in the city, welcomed the Japanese military. This is a photo of Japanese soldiers and the Nanking citizens giving cheers, on the day of the Japanese military’s ceremonial entry into Nanking (Dec. 17, 1937, 4 days after the fall of Nanking). The citizens are wearing armbands of the flag of Japan, which were given to all civilians of Nanking to distinguish them from hiding Chinese soldiers in civilian clothing.

    Japanese soldiers distributing gifts to Chinese citizens in Nanking. Photo from the British newspaper North China Daily News, published in China in English on December 24, 1937, eleven days after the Japanese occupation of Nanking

    Japanese soldiers playing with Chinese children in Nanking using toys, and their parents wearing armbands of the flag of Japan. Photo taken on Dec. 20, 1937, seven days after the occupation, and published in the pictorial book, Shina-jihen Shasin Zensyu, in 1938.

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    Japanese soldiers nursing Chinese wounded soldiers. Photo taken in Nanking on December 20, 1937, seven days after the occupation, by the correspondent Mr. Hayashi; placed in the Japanese pictorial magazine, Asahi-ban Shina-jihen Gaho, and published on January 27, 1938.

    Nanking citizens with armbands of the flag of Japan selling vegetables on the street on December 15, 1937.

    Chinese boy smiling and Second Lieutenant Takashi Akaboshi, who led a fight along the Yangzi River. Photo taken near the walls of Nanking just after the Japanese occupation (courtesy of Takashi’s wife).

    When Japanese soldiers distributed food and sweets, Chinese adults and children gathered together. (December 18, 1937, in Nanking. From the Tokyo Nichinichi Shimbun.)

    Chinese citizens rejoicing to receive confectionery from Japanese soldiers on December 20, 1937, in Nanking. (From Asahi-ban Shina-jihen Gaho, published on January 27, 1938.)

    Liu Qixiong, a Chinese soldier who was hiding in the Nanking Safety Zone and caught as a POW. He was used as a coolie for a while, but later became the commander of a brigade for Wang Jingwei’s pro-Japanese government.

    Japanese soldier handing paper money to a Chinese family in the Nanking Safety Zone. Photo taken on December 27, 1937, fourteen days after the Japanese occupation, by the correspondent Mr. Kageyama; from Asahi-ban Shina-jihen Gaho, published on January 27, 1938.

    Chinese merchants selling to Japanese soldiers in Nanking. Photo from the pictorial magazine Mainichi-ban Shina-jihen Gaho, published on February 1, 1938.

    Chinese women coming out of an air-raid shelter and protected by the Japanese military. Photo taken on December 14, 1937, the day after the fall of Nanking, by the correspondent Kadono, and published in the Asahi Shimbun on December 16, 1937.

    Citizens celebrating the start of Nanking’s self-government on January 3, 1938, waving the Japanese flag and the Chinese five-color flag.

    YEAH quite a massacre!!!!!!

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  403. Malla says:
    @Malla

    More on the Nanking Massacre Holohoax

    Biased Reports of John Rabe

    Masaaki Tanaka, the ex-secretary of General Iwane Matsui, claims that there are many contradictions in John Rabe’s descriptions. For instance, according to him, General Matsui ordered a cease-fire on December 9, distributed to the city surrender recommendation handbills, and waited until noon of December 10 for the answer. Tanaka then points out, “Rabe wrote in his diary that the combat was continuing and Rabe did not mention anything about the cease-fire or the handbills.”

    Rabe wrote that he saw here and there “dead women who had canes rammed in their vaginas”; however, such a practice was Chinese, not Japanese.

    James McCallum, a medical doctor in Nanking, wrote in his diary on December 29, 1937, “We have had some very pleasant Japanese who have treated us with courtesy and respect. Occasionally I have seen a Japanese helping some Chinese, or picking up a Chinese baby to play with it.” However, Rabe did not write any such things, and only wrote that the Safety Zone had been like a hell full of fire and rape every day. Tanaka thus argues that Rabe’s descriptions are not reliable. Tanaka writes, “Rabe’s descriptions were very biased fishy stories. I think I can understand the reason why Adolf Hitler did not trust his report, but rather imprisoned him.”

    Professor Higashinakano also points out that James McCallum wrote in his diary on January 8, 1938 that he had heard a Chinese refugee testify, “I can prove that the rape, looting and arson were committed by Chinese soldiers, not Japanese soldiers”; however, Rabe reported as if all of the rape, looting and arson had been committed by only Japanese soldiers. Higashinakano claims that Rabe’s report was a similar-natured one to the anti-Japanese maneuvering of the Chinese officers he had sheltered.

    P. Scharfienberg, the secretary general of the German Embassy to China, who returned to Nanking on January 9, 1938, tried to investigate himself the facts about the alleged Japanese atrocities mentioned in Rabe’s report. Scharfienberg wrote to the German Embassy at Hankow on February 10:

    “Rabe is still actively trying to counter the bloody excesses of Japanese looters, which have unfortunately increased of late. To my mind, this should not concern us Germans, particularly since one can clearly see that the Chinese, once left to depend solely on the Japanese, immediately fraternize. And as for all these excesses, one hears only one side of it, after all.”

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  404. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Vietnam militarily conquering South East Asia was obviously a fantasy.

    But Vietnam conquering Laos and Cambodia, that was very possible. At the very least, they wanted to turn the Cambodian and Laotian governments into puppets, serving Vietnam and not their own people.

    It would have recreated the old French Indo-China colony, and before that the kingdoms of Annam and Champa.

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  405. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    Well the West has to keep up the propaganda that the Nationalists were the “good guys” against the “evil communists”.

    B.S. The West while supporting the Nationalists on the surface, backstabbed them leading to the Communists coming to power. Even Stalin did not want a 100% Communist China, he wanted the Chinese mainland divided into Communist-Capitalist half like Vietnam and Korea because he knew that more Communists countries would need Soviet help and just after WW2, the Soviets did not have the resources. But he was forced by the Rockefeller family to support Mao for a 100% Communist mainland China, who had always wanted a Communist China for along.

    Stalin’s reluctance in creating Communist China

    Check from 3:14 minutes to 5:03 minutes of the above video

    Stanton Evans – US State Dept put Mao in power
    http://letsrollforums.com//imagehosting/69125743245025d01.jpg

    YALE SPURS MAO’S EMERGENCE

    Without Yale, there would have been no Chairman Mao, yup Yale of Skull and Bones, Yale of Opium Money.

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    , @showmethereal
  406. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Apart from certifiably insane people like Godfrey Roberts, no one in the West would regard China as any kind of messiah, and I’m pretty sure most Asians don’t have a very positive view of them either (tactical alliances aside). China may be a regional power, but it can never become a global power.

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  407. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Are you sure? P.R. China’s rise and reduction of its poverty has been very remarkable. Bringing millions of people out of poverty with a combination of Communism and Capitalism. Many countries could have looked to emulate that. Add that China’s BRI, building excellent infrastructure in many parts of the world. Sure there are issues like debt, Central Asians unhappy about Han labour been used instead of locals etc…
    Sure there are many in Asia who are weary of China, there are many like Pakistan or Iran who seem to be happy with China’s rise. China is very popular in Africa and South/Central America. But that was before the COVID Pandemic. China’s reputation may tank through out the world irrespective of who is really responsible for the pandemic. People through out the world, out of anger at losing livelihoods and lives of loved ones will blame China and lash out at China. Human nature, you see.

  408. Malla says:
    @Just Passing Through

    One can only expect China to outsource it’s fighting to the Pakistanis as the latter are much braver and have the warrior spirit,

    Yeah, the Paks are so brave with warrior spirit that 93,000 Pakistani soldiers surrendered to our Indian Army in the 1971 Indo-Pakistan War /Bangladesh War of Liberation from Pakistan.

    BBC – 93,000 Pakistani troops surrender Rare footage of 1971

  409. S says:
    @Malla

    I’ve read that too, that the Soviets purportedly rejected Oswald’s initial defection, which surprised me a bit. Oswald then did a suicide attempt, possibly somewhat half hearted, that got the Soviets to change their mind and take him in.

  410. S says:
    @Malla

    Why is the Anglospere so much into this [progressive] phenomenon? Is it a type of protestant Christianity which drives this?

    Well, a special type of ‘Christianity’, if it can be exactly called that.

    [MORE]

    There was an unfortunate (and absurd) belief called ‘British Israelism’ (see excellent article linked below) which some powerful Anglo-Saxons and hangers on bought into, and very likely still do. Queen Elizabeth is said to believe in it even now. Basically it is that that the Anglo-Saxons were (somehow) of the lost tribes of Israel.

    They of course should of simply stuck to the truth that they were of the forests of Northern Europe, ie Germany.

    Cromwell’s 17th century Puritans were practically living out of the Old Testament of the Bible, which explains the origins of many Anglo-Saxon names for both men and women which can be found even today, whose origins are in the Old Testament. It wasn’t much of a transition from belief in Puritanism,and then to British Israelism. Of course, it was the Puritans who first settled Massachusetts and much of modern New England.

    While many of the English Puritan’s descendants today don’t retain much of a belief in God, they still often have their old zealous fanatacism in regards to their so called ‘progressivism’.

    It was elements of the New England Puritan elites and hangers on that got into the slave trade (and often enough, personal slave owning for household work) in a big way. I submit this is where this unhealthy (and cynical) ‘liberal’ fetish for ‘people of color’ originated from.

    When commercially minded New England (along with England itself) simply monetized chattel slavery and it’s trade (mis-naming it ‘abolition’) with the 19th century introduction of the so called ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration system, this fetish for the chattel slaves was simply transferred to their new wage slaves, ie the ‘cheap labor’ ‘immigrants’.

    A healthy concern for their own Anglo-Saxon people (and ultimately themselves as individual slave dealers/owners) got lost in the shuffle in this horrid slavery (chattel
    or wage) business.

    Are some of these Anglo elites really Anglo or are are they secret marranos/conversos/ mixed with Jews?

    Many powerful (and not so powerful people) with Anglo names, are not in anyway Anglo-Saxon, but are in reality Jewish, or significantly so. Wikipedia will often, though not always, tell what the original name and actual origin of a person is. Names were often changed (‘Anglacized’) after arrival in the United States, and it wasn’t ‘just’ Jewish people who did that.

    As for ‘mixing’ of Anglo-Saxon and Jewish, a person can see that in roughly real time with both Bill Clinton’s daughter Chelsea and Trump’s daughter Ivanka, each having married Jewish men. Of course there was Clinton’s sordid relationship with Lewinsky.

    I think empires are a bad business and ultimately destructive. When a people engage in empire building, they do so typically at other’s great expense. They don’t like to tell themselves that their empire building often consists of stealing other’s homes, land, and wealth. So, they tell themselves platitudes along the lines that they are ‘civilizing barbarians’. For the Anglo-Saxons this rationalization for empire the past centuries has been British Israelism, and more recently, so called ‘progressivism’.

    That’s not to say the world doesn’t have many real problems, just that there are other better ways of dealing with them than through empires.

    As for the unhealthy long term relationship that has existed between the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish people, bad ultimately for both, I think amicable if at all possible separation from each other is the way to go. I’d like to think I’d say exactly the same thing if I was Jewish.

    http://www.revneal.org/Writings/Writings/british.htm

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  411. S says:
    @Malla

    B.S. The West while supporting the Nationalists on the surface, backstabbed them leading to the Communists coming to power

    Yes, I just got through doing some reading on US general Joseph Stilwell, who wanted to give the bulk of US support to Mao, ostensibly as they were supposed to be fighting the Japanese better than Chiang’s forces. At Chiang’s insistance, Stilwell got replaced when he attempted to take command (in the name of the United States with Roosevelt’s approval) of all of Chiang’s armies.

    Interesting the alleged connection of Mao with Yale, as Sun Yat Sen of the Kuomintang IIRC was also US educated. After maximum profits have been taken first (naturally), and depending how purist they might be about the Capitalist/Communist Hegelian dialectic, I think the general idea might be that the US/UK and Russia/China ultimately more or less destroy each other in WWIII

    Purportedly Anthony Sutton wrote the below in 1984:

    “By about the year 2000 Communist China will be a “superpower” built by American technology and skill.”
    Antony C. Sutton, American Secret Establishment published 1984

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  412. Malla says:
    @S

    as they were supposed to be fighting the Japanese better than Chiang’s forces.

    The Nationalists Chinese and the Imperial Japanese fighting each other only strengthened the position of the Chinese Communists. Is that why you had incidents (Marco polo bridge incident, sneaky murder of Japanese Lt. Isao Oyama in Shanghai etc… ) which actually caused war in between the two parties to the benefit of the third (CCP)? Who knows?

  413. Malla says:
    @S

    I think the general idea might be that the US/UK and Russia/China ultimately more or less destroy each other in WWIII

    That seems lika possibility. Actually these are exactly the nations (Europe incl Russia, Western World outside of Europe, North East Asia ) who should not be fighting any such devastating wars at all due to fall in birth rates. But they might be pushed against each other, anyways, let us see.

  414. @S

    Cromwell’s 17th century Puritans were practically living out of the Old Testament of the Bible, which explains the origins of many Anglo-Saxon names for both men and women which can be found even today, whose origins are in the Old Testament. It wasn’t much of a transition from belief in Puritanism,and then to British Israelism. Of course, it was the Puritans who first settled Massachusetts and much of modern New England.

    While many of the English Puritan’s descendants today don’t retain much of a belief in God, they still often have their old zealous fanatacism in regards to their so called ‘progressivism’.

    Just to add, there is a direct link between English Puritans’ Jew-centric beliefs in ‘Jewish Restoration’ and then the American Protestant Evangelicals’ Christian Zionist/Israel restoration belief system, and also their focus on the Old Testament.

    You could argue that this comes from the fact that uber-ambitious Cromwell wanted to invite Jews back into England so as to benefit from their money skills. The Netherlands, England’s main competitor, were benefiting from their financial expertise at that time. Accordingly, a religious rationale for their inclusion and for why they should be tolerated had to be engineered within the Puritan belief system.

    Again to add to your points on slavery, I think within the Anglosphere – and as per Cromwell’s initial impetus – the elite has required that the plebs be disciplined and versed in the wonders of “tolerance n’ inclusion n’ diversity” so that the same elite is able to bring in foreigners who have good skills and make them part of the elite, as per the Jews.

    But it’s all gone wrong and corrupt now, for various reasons. Not least because the Germans (mother nation) have consistently showed us for at least the last 100 years that they can comprehensively outperform us, without requiring the ancillary expertise of Jewry. The British/anglo/American elite refuses to accept this reality, leading to global catastrophe which they then have to rationalise and justify in perverse ways.

  415. As for the unhealthy long term relationship that has existed between the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish people, bad ultimately for both, I think amicable if at all possible separation from each other is the way to go. I’d like to think I’d say exactly the same thing if I was Jewish.

    Obviously totally agree with this. It took me quite a while to realise what a bizarre relationship the Anglo elite has with Jewry, and the length of time during which we have accorded them golden child status. See the Don Pacifico affair – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Pacifico_affair.

    Just to point out that this relationship has had a strongly deleterious effect on the northern European people as a whole, and has crushed the German people to the extent that they accepted millions of invaders. And Sweden.

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  416. Rdm says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Chinese IQ is way overblown.

    Coz I damn well know that I am Chinese.

    Over 500 years, genetic makeup of Han Chinese has considerably changed. The most adventurous genetic composition has spread to South East Asia (SEA) while regular rung of the mill “Yes, Sir” copycat gene pool has spread far and wide in mainland China.

    If you’re interested, I can lay you the scenario as follow.

    China dynasty has undergone many bouts of conflicts and war. Whenever war broke out, scholars from ruling Dynasty fled the scene first because they were not warriors. They’re only servants in Imperial Palace. A haven from fleeing from those warring states was southern part of the Dynasties (Fujian, Guangdong) because of mountain like natural barriers exist between northern and southern China. That’s why you’d see a significant accent change between Northern and Southern Chinese.

    The other motivation to flee south was they could take a marine route to escape. The first islet to host those scholars was now known as Taiwan. So you wonder why majority of Chinese overseas are above average Joe in American perspective. It’s because their genetic composition was already propagated from those scholars fleeing, adventure seeking traits from olden days.

    Lee Kuan Yew, founding father of Singapore
    Jerry Yang, Yahoo co-founder (Taiwanese origin)
    Steven Chen, Youtube co-founder (Taiwanese origin)
    Jensen Huang, NVIDIA co-founder (Taiwanese origin)

    In 21st century, you can easily take a flight Airbus380 and land in newfound land. You’d see some blokes from mainland China whose sole idea was to make money in anyway possible – an asset to personal freedom. So personal emotion, feeling, they have no fucking clue. Interpersonal skill is abysmal. Their motivation in life

    – get green card
    – make money
    – get married
    – have children
    – their children MUST take care of them when they get old.

    So this list of commandment is ingrained when they’re born. This commandment has been recycling for how many generations in Chinese, especially in mainland China? It’s because they have been stripped of their personal freedom for 100 years. The genetic composition has become stale.

    That’s why, you’d see when it comes to making money,

    Mainland Chinese has one rule, only one rule.

    Make money.

    So you’d see Jack Ma, a billionaire exposed as an idiot when he argues with Elon.
    Robin Li, a billionaire of Baidu, has no charisma on stage when talking about Baidu.

    Those are qualities of Mainland Chinese.

    So IQ?

    Just give them money and they will inflate to 160.

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  417. antibeast says:
    @Rdm

    Chinese IQ is way overblown. Coz I damn well know that I am Chinese.

    IQ is relevant only if the social and political environment is conducive to economic prosperity. For most of Western history, the Germanic/Nordic tribes of Northern Europe were backward peoples compared to the Latin/Celtic tribes of Southern Europe. It was only after the Protestant Reformation and the political unification of Germany did Northern Europe succeed in surpassing Southern Europe. Their IQs didn’t change; what changed was their social and political environment which made possible the economic revolution in Northern Europe in the 20th century.

    Over 500 years, genetic makeup of Han Chinese has considerably changed. The most adventurous genetic composition has spread to South East Asia (SEA) while regular rung of the mill “Yes, Sir” copycat gene pool has spread far and wide in mainland China.

    This is false. There are two provinces in China with a history of emigration: Guangdong and Fujian. Fujian Province is the ancestral homeland of most of the so-called “Overseas Chinese” entrepreneurs in Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia and Southeast Asia while Guangdong Province is the ancestral homeland of most of the Chinese immigrants in the USA, Canada, UK, Australia and HK. What is the difference between the Fujianese and the Cantonese? The Fujianese has a 1,000-year history of trading from the time of the Song Dynasty while the Cantonese has a 150-year history of coolie work from the time of the Opium Wars during the Qing Dynasty.

    China dynasty has undergone many bouts of conflicts and war. Whenever war broke out, scholars from ruling Dynasty fled the scene first because they were not warriors. They’re only servants in Imperial Palace. A haven from fleeing from those warring states was southern part of the Dynasties (Fujian, Guangdong) because of mountain like natural barriers exist between northern and southern China. That’s why you’d see a significant accent change between Northern and Southern Chinese.

    This is total BS, for two reasons:

    1. While it is true that the Confucian Scholar-Officials came from Northern cities which were the centers of power in Imperial China, Confucian Orthodoxy was quite hostile to merchants. But the Northern invaders — Mongols, Turks, Manchus, Khitans, Liaos, etc. — were warrior tribes who had assimilated to the Han Chinese population over a period of two thousand years to become Northern Chinese. They were the ones who moved the centers of power from the West (Xi’an) to the North (Beijing). This is equivalent to the Germanic conquests of the Roman Empire which germanized whole parts of Southern Europe that had grown too soft from their material wealth and cultural sophistication. The same thing happened in Northern China but with the difference between that the Northern invaders assimilated to Han Chinese society while the Germanic invaders destroyed Roman society.

    The other motivation to flee south was they could take a marine route to escape. The first islet to host those scholars was now known as Taiwan. So you wonder why majority of Chinese overseas are above average Joe in American perspective. It’s because their genetic composition was already propagated from those scholars fleeing, adventure seeking traits from olden days.

    This is a blatant lie. The guy who escaped to Taiwan was a half-Japanese, half-Chinese Fujianese named Zheng Chenggong who was born in Nagasaki, Japan to a Fujianese father and a Japanese mother. His Fujianese followers who rebelled against the Qing Dynasty established by the Manchus also fled with him to Taiwan. Chiang Kai-shek took the same escape route to Taiwan following his defeat by Mao Zedong in 1949. Both Zheng and Chiang were warriors.

    Lee Kuan Yew, founding father of Singapore
    Jerry Yang, Yahoo co-founder (Taiwanese origin)
    Steven Chen, Youtube co-founder (Taiwanese origin)
    Jensen Huang, NVIDIA co-founder (Taiwanese origin)

    Li Ka-shing (HK), Robert Kuok (Malaysia), Henry Sy (Philippines), and lots and lots of Asian tycoons of Chinese descent in HK, Singapore, Thailand, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Taiwan, etc. trace their ancestry to Fujian Province. Li Ka-shing comes from Shantou in Guangdong Province which was a city settled by Fujianese immigrants. They speak a Min-nan dialect similar to Fujianese and Taiwanese. The Cantonese who settled in the USA, Canada and Australia during the Gold Rush were mostly coolies while the Taiwanese who immigrated to California’s Silicon Valley were engineers-turned-entrepreneurs, most of whom moved back to Taiwan to start their hi-tech companies in the Hsinchu Science Park.

    In 21st century, you can easily take a flight Airbus380 and land in newfound land. You’d see some blokes from mainland China whose sole idea was to make money in anyway possible – an asset to personal freedom. So personal emotion, feeling, they have no fucking clue. Interpersonal skill is abysmal. Their motivation in life

    – get green card
    – make money
    – get married
    – have children
    – their children MUST take care of them when they get old.

    So this list of commandment is ingrained when they’re born. This commandment has been recycling for how many generations in Chinese, especially in mainland China? It’s because they have been stripped of their personal freedom for 100 years. The genetic composition has become stale.

    That’s why, you’d see when it comes to making money,

    Mainland Chinese has one rule, only one rule.

    Make money.

    So you’d see Jack Ma, a billionaire exposed as an idiot when he argues with Elon.
    Robin Li, a billionaire of Baidu, has no charisma on stage when talking about Baidu.

    Those are qualities of Mainland Chinese.

    So IQ?

    Just give them money and they will inflate to 160.

    Move to the USA, the biggest debtor Nation in world history? You must be joking, right? Mainland Chinese are responsible for building high-speed rail, nuclear reactors, ballistic missiles, fifth-generation fighter jets, hypersonic missiles, rocket engines, space station, lunar probe, quantum satellites, superconductive maglevs, supercomputers, electric vehicles, 4G/5G telecommunications, GaN semiconductors, EUV photolithography, biotech, robotics, AI, fintech, etc. And you want to tell me their life-goal is to acquire a cheap green card to the world’s biggest debtor Nation full of stupid gringos who can’t even make their own shoes, toys, clothing, furniture, cars, PCs, smartphones, etc. who then blame “Communist China” for stealing their factory jobs?

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  418. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    I essentially agree with you, antibeast.

    As a foreigner and an outsider, I am always amused at the attempts by some Overseas Chinese to claim that they are the “real, authentic bearers of Chinese culture”.

    They make arguments, often long convoluted ones, about how the Mainland Chinese are lost, are descended from barbarians, are no longer truly Chinese, while of course, they (the Overseas) are.

    The closest parallel I have of this is if Australians suddenly started thinking of themselves as the true and only descendants of genuine British culture, while denigrating present day Britain as being “too Americanized and tainted by proximity to France and Germany”.

    The Hong Kong population is an example of this ludicrous tendency, often citing their wealth as proof of superiority. Predictably, as China has gotten much more advanced, the Hong Kong people have had their pretensions destroyed – which has made them suicidally angry.

    No wonder Chinese have lost all respect for Hong Kong.

    (This is just my foreigner’s perspective.)

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  419. Ber says:
    @Anon

    V. A. Shiva Ayyadurai (born Vellayappa Ayyadurai Shiva,[2] December 2, 1963)[3][4] is an Indian American scientist, engineer, and entrepreneur. He is notable for his widely disputed claim to be the “inventor of email”,[5] based on the electronic mail software called “EMAIL” he wrote as a New Jersey high school student in the late 1970s.[6][7] Initial reports that repeated Ayyadurai’s assertion—from organizations such as The Washington Post and the Smithsonian Institution—were followed by public retractions.[6][8] These corrections were triggered by objections from historians and ARPANET pioneers who pointed out that email was already actively used in the early 1970s.[4]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai

  420. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    The closest parallel I have of this is if Australians suddenly started thinking of themselves as the true and only descendants of genuine British culture, while denigrating present day Britain as being “too Americanized and tainted by proximity to France and Germany”.

    A better analogy would be the relationship between the USA and the British Empire during the 19th century. The USA was a struggling country back then while the British Empire ruled the world. So naturally, the British looked down upon the Yanks whom they viewed as uncouth cowboys while they reigned as the civilized rulers of the British Empire. But their positions reversed during the 20th century when the British had to beg the Yanks to save them from the Germans TWICE. The British really had to swallow their pride after WWII when the USA became one of two world superpowers while the British Empire waned and faded away into the sunset.

    The Hong Kong population is an example of this ludicrous tendency, often citing their wealth as proof of superiority. Predictably, as China has gotten much more advanced, the Hong Kong people have had their pretensions destroyed – which has made them suicidally angry.

    I think it’s just envy just like White Westerners who get angry when someone praises China, even right here on UNZ.com. You see this also in the behavior of the Trump Administration in how they reacted to the rise of Chinese tech companies such as Huawei. When you’re used to being on top and the person beneath you suddenly rises above you, it strikes your sense of self-respect because you feel like losing to someone whom you’ve deemed to be inferior in so many ways. As China prospered, the mainland Chinese ended up buying HK property in bulk and shopping for Western luxury goods in droves in HK malls. This has grated the HK Chinese to no end after seeing their inferiors becoming their superiors. To their credit, the mainland Chinese have remained gracious and generous enough to accommodate the HK Chinese but it’s the latter who have betrayed their own fragile sense of self-respect, after their century-and-a-half of Western colonization. I think this is just human nature, pride and envy being two of the seven deadly sins.

    No wonder Chinese have lost all respect for Hong Kong.

    The world has lost all respect for Hong Kong. The only way that Hong Kong can regain that respect is to swallow their pride and show some humility to their new mainland Chinese superiors because the sun has already set on the British Empire in the past 20th century while the sun is now rising on China in this 21st century.

  421. Rdm says:
    @antibeast

    IQ is relevant only if the social and political environment is conducive to economic prosperity.

    Looks like you agree to what I’m saying. But you must have thought that it debunks what I’m saying. That shows the difference between your IQ and mine. Again, I’m not saying my IQ is high. I’m just deducing your IQ from your reply.

    1. If social and political environment is conducive to ramping up the IQ, you basically saying mainland Chinese who faced a great famine and those overseas Chinese whose new political environment and social stature must be fundamentally different when it comes to IQ, isn’t it?

    This is false.

    Ouch … the best comeback I never expected. Then went on to talk about totally different things. Chinese strategy. The gene pool available in mainland China has been stale over 500 years.

    You probably know that Korean and Japanese borrowed words from min-nan, the dialect that originated in Fujian, rather than those “Xie Xie” Mandarin, right?
    Give you a tip
    Thank you in Korea “Cam Sia Mee Ta”
    Thank you in Min-nan “Cam Sia”

    Those mainland China who flagellating themselves as if Koreans and Japanese copies Mandarin needs to study QuanZhou.

    This is total BS, for two reasons:

    1. While it is true that the Confucian Scholar-Officials came from Northern cities which were the centers of power in Imperial China, Confucian Orthodoxy was quite hostile to merchants.

    I’m not sure your strategy in arguing what I’m saying. Total BS and it is true.

    If it is true or partially true, it shouldn’t be “total” BS. It should be only BS. ugh…Chinese way of arguing. You hear all the noise, but the nitty gritty part of the discussion was lost.

    This is a blatant lie. The guy who escaped to Taiwan was a half-Japanese, half-Chinese Fujianese named Zheng Chenggong who was born in Nagasaki, Japan to a Fujianese father and a Japanese mother.

    So for all the escapers during wartime, you came up with one guy, THE ONLY one guy who fled to the south?

    Jesus … I must have missed that one guy count in my history lesson.

    Move to the USA, the biggest debtor Nation in world history? You must be joking, right?

    The same old tactics, the biggest debtor Nation, the most corrupt country, the most authoritarian nation on earth, bla bla bla

    Have you forgotten the time you picked up a booklet “How to apply a green card in the US?” ?

    If China is so great and the US is a debtor nation, why you guys come here?

    Mainland Chinese are responsible for building high-speed rail, nuclear reactors, ballistic missiles, fifth-generation fighter jets, …

    I will teach you one thing so that you can reflect the way you think in the future. Not right now, of course. But eventually and gradually you’d change the way you think. Maybe 200 – 300 years from now, your progeny can thank me for enlightening their future.

    1. If you flagellate yourself, basking in the glory of the past 1000 years ago, Remember dinosaurs also once roamed the Earth.

    2. ugh… high speed rail, bla bla bla, always a proud moment in history when a coolie from Guangdong lifted a sleeper stone and built an entire rail track.

    AI, STEM? hahaha

    https://papers.nips.cc/paper/4824-imagenet-classification-with-deep-convolutional-neural-networks.pdf

    The most ground breaking image recognition that revolutionizes the way computer vision works. Alex the guy and a British guy, Gregory, father of AI. Then Chinese copies the net and do massive surveillance at home. Always a proud moment to tell the world “Chinese are responsible for building AI.”

    I can bring up all the papers with Chinese name on it, it’s always a copycat version. Change the number, tweak this and that, boom, you publish a paper. You wonder why mainland Chinese are publishing like crazy, jacking up the quantity.

    So don’t flagellate on those numbers because they are not true indicators of one’s true achievement.

    Comparing Bezo and Ma in true entrepreneurship mindset or Steve Jobs and Ren Zengfei in innovative mindset. Granted, they all are billionaires. But the true genetic composition, their innate drive, the way they see the world are day and night.

    So America will still lead in those departments because this is the place where cut-throat competition with IP protection will nurture ground-breaking innovation.

    In China, they still think doing something deviating from traditional norms will be ridiculed as

    好笑 with spitting on the street.

    If you have kids at home, tell them to brush their teeth, will ya?

    • Troll: d dan
  422. Rdm says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    It happens more prevalent than you would have believed.

    That’s why you go to China town in the US, even in the middle of nowhere with a bit of Chinese community, you’d see old Chinese speaking in only their language. Their English is bare minimum. When I say bare minimum, it’s literally bare minimum.

    If they’re below 65, they have medicaid. Go and sit in China market for a day and learn what kind of payments those old people are using at the market. You’d see clearly.

    But those at slightly above average middle earners from mainland China, have different opinions. They become chest thumping once they obtained green cards, then spew out how awesome their homeland is, forget about a large proportion of their backward fellow countrymen either at back home or here in the States.

    But compare to this medicare and medicaid abuse, Mexicans can still top the Chinese. So news about Chinese is still under the radar.

  423. @Daniel Chieh

    Indeed… Those same forces that claim China is lying about Japanese atrocities have basically told South Korea to just shut up too about Japanese atrocities against them… South Koreans resent that.

  424. @Beefcake the Mighty

    I didn’t miss the point… I laid out an argument against each false point you tried to make.

  425. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Germanic invaders destroyed Roman society.

    The Germanics like the Ostrogoths recreated Roman society and culture.

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  426. @antibeast

    Agreed… Which is why there is so much anger against China. They are as smart as Japanese and Koreans – but much much bigger – which means they can move the market.

  427. @antibeast

    I’m sorry – but that’s not correct. NYC’s metro area Chinese population is nearly twice that of the San Francisco Bay Area.

    https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/chinese-immigrants-united-states/

  428. antibeast says:
    @Rdm

    If social and political environment is conducive to ramping up the IQ, you basically saying mainland Chinese who faced a great famine and those overseas Chinese whose new political environment and social stature must be fundamentally different when it comes to IQ, isn’t it?

    I didn’t say that, you did. People like you always bring up the IQ (genetics) vs environment dialectic. I am not going to fall into your genetics trap on whether Northern Chinese vs Southern Chinese have higher IQs. All I am saying is that IQ is irrelevant if the socio-political environment is not conducive to economic development.

    Ouch … the best comeback I never expected. Then went on to talk about totally different things. Chinese strategy. The gene pool available in mainland China has been stale over 500 years.

    You probably know that Korean and Japanese borrowed words from min-nan, the dialect that originated in Fujian, rather than those “Xie Xie” Mandarin, right?
    Give you a tip
    Thank you in Korea “Cam Sia Mee Ta”
    Thank you in Min-nan “Cam Sia”

    Those mainland China who flagellating themselves as if Koreans and Japanese copies Mandarin needs to study QuanZhou.

    Ahhh…the myth of the Chinese ants who all look alike. China has always been an ethnically diverse Empire and a multicultural civilization since the Han Dynasty expanded westward and annexed the Xibu region in what is now Xinjiang. Did you know that Buddhism came to China from Tocharians (who were Indo-Europeans) during the Han Dynasty when the Silk Road passed through the Xibu region? Over time, all kinds of people settled in China — Persians, Uyghurs, Mongols, Manchus, Tibetans, Liaos, Khitans, Turks, Arabs, etc. — bringing with them all kinds of religions, cuisines, cultures, languages, customs, etc. After the Mongol and Manchu conquests, the Chinese Empire became much more militaristic and expanded massively during the Yuan (Mongol) and the Qing (Manchu) dynasties.

    Your knowledge of East Asian history is highly superficial. Japan and Korea have had the most contact with Chinese traders from Fujian, the Southeastern province close to Taiwan, which has a 1,000-year history of trading with Asia. Quanzhou was the trading port of the Maritime Silk Road, sort of like HK starting from the Song Dynasty, all the way to the Spanish Galleon Trade. That’s how Min-nan words came to Japan and South Korea, both of which had adopted Classical Chinese Culture from the Mainland Chinese not from the Southern Chinese. As Fujian (Min) and Guangdong (Yue) were never the centers of culture and power in Imperial China, they have had little ideological and cultural influences on Japan and South Korea with the exception of Zhu Xi (Father of Neo-Confucianism) and Zheng Chenggong, both who were from Fujian.

    I’m not sure your strategy in arguing what I’m saying. Total BS and it is true. If it is true or partially true, it shouldn’t be “total” BS. It should be only BS. ugh…Chinese way of arguing. You hear all the noise, but the nitty gritty part of the discussion was lost.

    The problem is that you can’t come up with factual statements to support your conclusions. All you’re doing is making conclusions based on your premises which is the logical fallacy of circular logic.

    So for all the escapers during wartime, you came up with one guy, THE ONLY one guy who fled to the south? Jesus … I must have missed that one guy count in my history lesson.

    Red herring. I didn’t say that one guy moved to Taiwan; I said he led the revolt against the Manchus and fled to Taiwan, together with his followers. That’s how large-scale settlement of Taiwan from Fujian started which is why Taiwanese is in fact a version of the Min-Nan dialect spoken in Fujian. That’s ethno-linguistic proof that Taiwanese are mostly descendants of Fujianese immigrants not Mainland Chinese immigrants as you claim. It was only later after Chiang fled to Taiwan that his KMT followers (mostly Mainland Chinese) settled in Taiwan.

    The same old tactics, the biggest debtor Nation, the most corrupt country, the most authoritarian nation on earth, bla bla bla. Have you forgotten the time you picked up a booklet “How to apply a green card in the US?”? If China is so great and the US is a debtor nation, why you guys come here?

    Work. The same reason why Westerners come to China. Taiwanese immigrants to California’s Silicon Valley DID move back to Taiwan to start their high-tech companies in the Hsinchu Science Park. So did the Cantonese immigrants in San Francisco who moved back to Guangdong Province to invest their earnings there. It used to be mostly Cantonese immigrants who work in the restaurants, groceries, laundry shops, etc. in San Francisco. But nowadays, Mexican illegals have largely replaced those Cantonese immigrants. What has happened over the last 20 years is that mainland Chinese immigrants have moved into California while the Cantonese and Taiwanese immigrants have moved back to mainland China. But I see this trend reversing in the coming decades as the mainland Chinese immigrants move back to China.

    This is part of the globalization of the Chinese economy. Nothing particular about this phenomenon which is not unique to China. Mexico also experienced massive waves of emigration due to the globalization of the Mexican economy.

    I will teach you one thing so that you can reflect the way you think in the future. Not right now, of course. But eventually and gradually you’d change the way you think. Maybe 200 – 300 years from now, your progeny can thank me for enlightening their future.

    1. If you flagellate yourself, basking in the glory of the past 1000 years ago, Remember dinosaurs also once roamed the Earth.

    2. ugh… high speed rail, bla bla bla, always a proud moment in history when a coolie from Guangdong lifted a sleeper stone and built an entire rail track.

    AI, STEM? hahaha

    The high-tech industries I cited in my last reply emerged in China during the last 10-20 years, which were accomplished by mainland Chinese, just to disprove your claim that they’re mostly low-IQ (genetics again) mainland Chinese coolies who only want a green card from the USA.

    The most ground breaking image recognition that revolutionizes the way computer vision works. Alex the guy and a British guy, Gregory, father of AI. Then Chinese copies the net and do massive surveillance at home. Always a proud moment to tell the world “Chinese are responsible for building AI.”

    Sure. More power to them. I never claimed otherwise, you did. All I did was to rebut your arguments about mainland Chinese being low-IQ coolies due to centuries of warfare forcing high-IQ scholar-officials to migrate southward and overseas. I am sure the mainland Chinese studied and learned from the scholarly work of Western AI scientists but the fact remains that the mainland Chinese DID succeed in creating their own AI systems — from chipsets to devices to software to apps to services — separate from Western achievements in AI which I didn’t deny. The Japanese did the same thing as what the mainland Chinese are doing now — studying and learning from Western scientists and then creating their own world-class technology industries.

    I can bring up all the papers with Chinese name on it, it’s always a copycat version. Change the number, tweak this and that, boom, you publish a paper. You wonder why mainland Chinese are publishing like crazy, jacking up the quantity. So don’t flagellate on those numbers because they are not true indicators of one’s true achievement.

    I think you misunderstand East Asians just like a lot of Westerners who make the mistake of conflating Western Science with East Asian Technology. The Japanese didn’t create the Western Science of internal combustion engines (that was the Germans) but they did invent their own East Asian Technology of automotive manufacturing. The Japanese didn’t create the Western Science of semiconductor physics/chemistry (that was the Americans) but they did invent their own East Asian Technology of semiconductor manufacturing. The Japanese didn’t create the Western Science of electric locomotives and railways (that was the Germans) but they did invent their own East Asian Technology of high-speed rail.

    Well, guess what? The mainland Chinese are now doing the same thing in the high-tech industries listed above by creating their own East Asian Technologies based on Western Science. This tendency to favor Technology over Science in East Asia has nothing to do with genetics but with economics. East Asians went about industrializing their economies by investing in world-class technology industries. The Russians/Eastern Europeans, in contrast, invest more in world-class science industries but East Asia succeeded in becoming economically prosperous while Russia/Eastern Europe stagnated economically even though Russia/Eastern Europe have better science industries than East Asia.

    Doing scientific research and publishing papers are nice to have because they give you bragging rights about having higher IQs. But East Asians want to make money not brag about having higher IQs. The Russians/Eastern Europeans can brag about their chess players and particle physicists and abstract mathematicians all they want but they’re not going to make a lot of money bragging about their higher IQs.

    Comparing Bezo and Ma in true entrepreneurship mindset or Steve Jobs and Ren Zengfei in innovative mindset. Granted, they all are billionaires. But the true genetic composition, their innate drive, the way they see the world are day and night.

    Jeff Bezos and Jack Ma are both Capitalists not Technologists unlike Steve Jobs or Ren Zengfei. Steve Jobs is half-Syrian so his success has nothing to do with genetics but more likely due to the environment in Northern California. If he had grown up in Syria, I don’t think Steve Jobs would have been able to do much in a war-torn country in the Middle East. Same with Ren Zengfei. If Deng didn’t allow private enterprises, then Chinese technologists like Ren would have languished in some State-owned Enterprises, bottling up his business acumen. As it were, Ren started out by setting up shop in Shenzhen where he began his entrepreneurial career importing and distributing foreign-made telecom equipment before branching out to manufacturing and later investing in technology R&D. Another Chinese entrepreneur by the name of Pony Ma started a small company in Shenzhen doing messaging software and later branching out to online video games. That company which later became the world’s largest publisher of online video games is called Tencent. Guess what is the market cap of HK-listed Tencent? US$450B.

    So you’re now claiming that both Ren Zengfei and Pony Ma are low-IQ mainland Chinese peasants who only want a US Green Card?

    So America will still lead in those departments because this is the place where cut-throat competition with IP protection will nurture ground-breaking innovation.

    Xi/Li are fixing that problem which the Chinese authorities have acknowledge as impeding the development of world-class technology industries in China. Remember Deng’s market reforms? Well, China lacked the institutional mechanisms to deal with private entrepreneurs operating in a market economy after Deng introduced those market reforms. That’s what gave rise to endemic graft and corruption after China liberalized its economy. The solution is not more “homo rights”, “freedumb” and “dumbocracy” which is what the Western World has today but more State control of the economy. Now, I didn’t say State ownership but State control of the economy. That means more State-directed industrial policies aimed at creating world-class technology industries in China which is exactly what other East Asian industrialized economies such as Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore went through. My prediction is that China will become MORE not LESS Capitalist as the Chinese State creates its own class of homegrown Chinese MNCs operating globally and competing against Western and East Asian MNCs.

    In China, they still think doing something deviating from traditional norms will be ridiculed as

    好笑 with spitting on the street.

    If you have kids at home, tell them to brush their teeth, will ya?

    Anti-social behavior is frowned upon but it takes a while to socialize Chinese tuhao peasants into becoming urbane sophisticates. This cultural norm, however, is neither unique to China nor pejorative to the Chinese. In fact, it’s part of Confucianist East Asia, from Japan all the way to Singapore, which emphasizes social harmony over and above individual freedom.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh, d dan
  429. @Rdm

    Another hopeful looking forward to follow in the coattails of Gordon Chang.

  430. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    The Germanics hated the Romans so much so that they destroyed Roman Civilization after the Fall of Rome. The Germanics never became romanized by the Romans and thus remained barbarians. The Germanic Kingdoms they founded on the ruins of Roman Civilization were barbarian Kingdoms without the benefit of Roman Law, Roman Government, Roman Science, Roman Engineering, Roman Technology, Roman Philosophy, Roman Politics, Roman Art, Roman Architecture, etc. The only entity that saved the remnants of Roman Civilization was the Roman Catholic Church and the only people who studied, read and spoke Latin were Roman Catholic Priests. Outside of the Church, the Western World descended into the so-called “Dark Ages” for a thousand years.

    • Replies: @Malla
  431. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rdm

    LOL, I read the whole spiel by this Rdm.

    If he/she is not of Chinese descent, then most of Rdm’s views on the relative intelligence and capacities of Mainland versus Overseas Chinese reads like it comes from very limited personal experience (exposure to only Overseas Chinese), popular stereotypes of China, and/or extremely outdated thinking.

    If Rdm however IS somehow connected to an overseas Chinese community (does Rdm live in the Bay Area” Is he/she pro Taiwan?) then here’s the TLDR:

    “I use convoluted and faulty logic, cite spurious “examples” and insist that Overseas Chinese are superior to Mainlanders, that they are smarter for sucking up to the white man, that they made the right choice to give up their race and culture – and most of all, I am DEEPLY insecure about China’s rise and hate that they are overtaking my beloved Overseas Chinese.”

    You can almost here him/her thinking:

    “Dammit, Overseas Chinese had to give up their homes, their racial self-respect and their whole identity to have material wealth. Now these Mainland Chinese, who gave up none of that, who retained their racial and cultural integrity and feel in no way inferior to anyone, still achieve stunning success anyway! Life’s not f*ckin’ fair!”

    Just IMHO, having lived in China itself, and among Overseas Chinese – and observed their attitudes.

  432. @Malla

    The scary thing is you actually believe the stuff you read… Very similar to the Nazi apologists.
    Everyone with sense knows the common people didn’t like the Nationalists…. Most turned to the CCP and not the Japanese. The Nationalists got run off the mainland because the CCP guerilla tactics did a better job against the Japanese. Even Nationalist soldiers defected to the CCP. One thing Nationalists and Communists held in common was there disdain for what Japan did ALL OVER China. And it happened all over South East Asia as well. To deny it makes it seem you are devoid of reality.
    The Nazis could also produce propaganda photos of Poles and even Russians “welcoming” and “cheering” them too. It’s pathetic really. You are from India??? The Brits can produce those of Indians who loved them too.
    It would be a joke – but the scary part is you believe it.

    • Agree: d dan
    • Disagree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Malla
  433. @Malla

    Wow! you are Waaayyyy out in left field. Mongolia as a nation exists today because the west made a deal with Stalin. The Nationalists didn’t like it – but since when did white men care what Chinese wanted…??? In case you didn’t realize – the Nationalists also had good relations with the Soviets and Nazis. Mao and Stalin never got along. But to claim the west wanted the CCP in power is complete stupidity… I’m sorry… Even while the Nationalists and “Cash my Check” for clearly fleecing the US for all their financial support – they still kept supporting them. That’s the only reason Taiwan is not under complete control of the PRC right now. Taiwan remains the main source of tension today between the PRC and the USA. Taiwan was the main CIA station for decades and multiple plots to overthrow the PRC were launched from their. That is not conspiracy… Those are declassified documents. Some don’t even need to be… Such as the fact the US was giving the ROC in Taiwan U2 spy planes – and drones – which were shot down by the PRC.

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  434. @Anonymous

    It’s actually not just the Cantonese in Hong Kong. The Cantonese on the mainland can behave similar. Ask any Hakka or Taishanese that lived in Cantonese areas. Generational wars were fought. Hong Kong is a concentrated and extreme form of it.

  435. d dan says:
    @showmethereal

    I never pay attention to this poster Malla until I saw your reply. Yes, quite ignorant person. Don’t forget India supported Nazi, and even today, some still think it is a good thing that Japanese invaded China and massacred Chinese. They could be more fanatic than Japanese when given a chance.

    • Troll: Malla
    • Replies: @Malla
  436. Malla says:
    @d dan

    Don’t forget India supported Nazi,

    Idiotic comment. It was Shubhash Chandra Bose who supported the National Socialists because he wanted independence from Britain. Officially India did not support the Axis forces.

    They could be more fanatic than Japanese when given a chance

    Actually most Indians think the same about the Chinese. Indeed most Indians (1.3 billion of us) look at China as a colonial power, British 2.0. I do not agree with this dumb analysis of most of my countrymen….

    But such stupid analysis is not restricted to my countrymen. A billion people on the other side of the Himalayas are prone to the same.

    • LOL: d dan
  437. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    But to claim the west wanted the CCP in power is complete stupidity…

    It sounds like stupidity, but it is reality. Indeed the Western elites have repeatedly supported Communist regimes. The U.S. State department also supported Castro. The world is not as simple as you think…..

  438. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    The scary thing is you actually believe the stuff you read…

    No I do not. I do not belive the stuff you write sometimes.

    Listen, during WW2, there was a lot of propaganda against the Axis and since the Axis lost a lot of that anti-Axis propaganda has crystallized into “historical facts”. We should be able to revise everything in history.
    In India, all Indians think that during the 1962 Indo-China war , China invaded India after backstabbing us, that China was jalous of a rising India and wanted to keep us down. But if you were to show them the truth that it was India which invaded China, most Indians would think you are a madman and tell you “The scary thing is you actually believe the stuff you read…” or “To deny it makes it seem you are devoid of reality.”
    To 1.3 billion Indians, China attacked India because of jealousy of India and to keep India down. if you say reality the response you will get is “To deny it makes it seem you are devoid of reality.”

    Everyone with sense knows the common people didn’t like the Nationalists

    Everybody with sense????

    The truth is we believe what our governments via education and media (which is always controlled) and academia, want us to believe.

    • LOL: d dan
  439. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    That is a very simplistic understanding of European history of that period. The truth is, the Roman Empire would have fallen from it’s internal troubles anyways, Germanic or no Germanic invasion. Besides, many Germanics had already Romanised to create a type of Germano-Roman culture. Indeed Belisarius, in his conquest of Italy for the Byzantinians had commented on how well the Ostrogoths had preserved Roman institutions, Roman law and Roman culture. And the concept of “Dark Ages” is a new concept, at most a couple of centuries old. the Medieval Europeans did not call themselves the “Living in the Dark Ages”, this is a modern description of that period. Also, the idea of Goths as “barbarians”, much like the idea of Gauls as “barbarians”, would continue to flourish in Italy, its continuance, in fact, would become the ammo of the Byzantine propaganda machine during Empreror Justinian’s reconquest.

    Let us understand the life of Theoderic, the OstroGoth, who conquered Rome at the “fall” of the Roman Empire.

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    Theoderic was the son of the Ostrogothic sub-king Theodemir, who had become a federate of the eastern emperor Marcian in the 450s and had settled in Pannonia which had a huge Goth population by then. Theoderic was born in a Gothic region in Pannonia and hence within the boundaries of the Roman Empire. The Pannonian Goths to which he belonged had already been undergoing a process of Romanization for generations at this time and were continuing to do so into the sixth century, a process that was rendering them provinicialized to an extent that could be more or less recognizable as Roman to other Romans. Very early in his youth, sometime around the age of eight, the young princeling Theoderic was sent to Constantinople as a hostage, ensuring the conditions of a treaty established between King Valamir (his uncle) and Emperor Leo I.Here he remained for a decade, at which time he returned to Pannonia and eventually inherited from his father his uncle’s position as a king.
    As a royal hostage of the imperial court, Theoderic had run within aristocratic circles and been reared as essentially the son of a Roman dignitary, exposed to all the luxury and high culture available in the eastern capital.

    It was Greece, according to Magnus Felix Ennodius, the Gallo Roman bishop of Pavia, not Rome, which had raised Theoderic, and it was the eastern Empire and its customs in which Theoderic claimed he had been steeped. As a representative of the East, therefore, Theoderic was at times considered east Roman or alternatively foreign and “Greek” depending on the context by the Western Roman elites. His situation thus closely resembled that of Anthemius or Julius Nepos, rather than that of Ricimer and Odovacer. Like these “Greeks,” Theoderic ran the risk of being construed in Italy as an imperial appointee from Constantinople, selected without Italian consultation. This caused a lot of resentment & could be extremely divisive, reminding those in Italy of their “true” Roman pedigree and the “provincial” or semi-barbarous status of others including the “Eastern Greeks”. Fear of oriental rule had a long history in Italy, but the significant role played by such oriental rulers during the perceived decline of the Empire in the fifth century exacerbated such feelings.

    Even in the eyes of a Grecophile Romans like Cassiodorus, eastern Romans were seen as stereotypically negative Greeks of their time, with typical middle Eastern traits i.e. effeminate and weak, manipulative and scheming, and prone to despotism. Indeed Eastern despotism was often contrasted with Western liberty. It was eastern despotism which marginalized the Italo-Roman aristocracy and its Senate; eastern despots who coveted and successfully plied away Italian lands in the Balkans; and eastern appointees who failed to defend the western Empire and continued it along its decadent path, an affirmation, perhaps, of their Eastern Greek effeminacy. Such sterotypes of the Eastern Romans by the Western Roman aristocracy caused easterners who were proudly Roman to have their Romanness called into question. Theoderic inherited this “bungled” Greek legacy and was therefore vulnerable (especially at the beginning of his reign) to rejection on account of his perceived “Greekness”. It was his “Eastern Greekness” which was causing more of a problem for his acceptance by the Western Romans than his Gothness. Military Victory, would however continue to legitimize Theoderic in Italy, both among his Goths and Western Romans, though interestingly enough he would not lead any armies personally after 493.

    However, Theoderic’s credentials as an east-Roman statesman were exceedingly illustrious, designated by his offices having earned him the highest rank available in the Empire, Virinlustris. This career had begun in 475, when the emperor Zeno had been deposed by the usurper Basiliscus and Theoderic had furnished the military aid necessary to restore him to the throne. An apparently grateful Zeno then commissioned Theoderic in 476 with a high military command in the Balkans, granting him the office of Magister Militum Praesentalis and making him a patrician. He likewise proclaimed him as an imperial friend (amicus) and adopted him as his son-in-arms. A period of intermittent hostilities, political manipulation, and open rebellion typified the close of this decade and the beginning of the next, but by 483 Theoderic and Zeno had again come to a peaceful agreement.

    Besides, marriages in between Celtic/Germanian nobility and Roman nobility was quite common for some time. It allowed the Visigoth Athaulf to father through his Roman wife, Placidia, an heir to the Theodosian purple, aptly named Theodosius. Poet Apollinaris Sidonius, lauded the marriage alliance struck between the Germanic Ricimer and Anthemius, the Western Roman Emperor, drawing specific attention to Ricimer’s impressive royal pedigree. The scion of two royal parents, one Gothic and the other Suevic, “two kingdoms summoned Ricimer to rule,” allowing Anthemius to be “blessed through his son-in-law.” Ricimer was Suevic on his father’s side and Visigothic on his mother’s, his maternal grandfather being Wallia, King of the Visigoths & his Suevic father was a son of Hermeric, the king of the Suevi. Ricimer’s royalty was also correlated with the emperor’s own, Sidonius avowing to the new Augustus, “your maiden is royal, so too is my Ricimer: both glitter with nobility.” Indeed, not only had Germanic Ricimer’s royal blood made him a virtual equal of Roman Emprorer Anthemius, but it had allowed him to become the representative of the West, a west-Roman, in a marriage alliance understood to strengthen the ties between both halves of the Empire.

    Much like Ricimer, Theoderic’s royal lineage served to legitimize him before elite Roman audiences. Theoderic’s arrival, it could have certain restorative properties, returning dignity to the western Roman Empire by reestablishing the rule of an especially noble man. The absence of such a ruler had always troubled Rome’s senators, but particularly those of the early sixth century, who believed that the stewardship of the Empire by exceedingly ignoble and ignorant men had contributed to its decline and decadence over the course of the fifth century.

    Theoderic’s royal descent was very important for Magnus Felix Ennodius, the Gallo Roman bishop of Pavia (and by extension other Italo-Romans)
    “When,” he asked in The Panegyric of Theodoric, “has such a man, begotten from kings renowned since the very infancy of the world, been chanced upon by a reader?”, highlighting the antiquity, so important to western Romans, of Theoderic’s noble line. The eastern consul and later western princeps was more than just a born king; he was a king descended from kings famous from the beginning of time, a pedigree of duration unsurpassed in the West. Known members of Theoderic’s family-tree were thus esteemed by all, and their nobility, in fact, obliged their descendant to “nobly defend the deeds of his house,” something that many descendants of illustrious families often failed to do.

    Already in the first decade of the sixth century, then, Ennodius was associating Amal descent with Gothic victory and valor, but again, such ideals were not oppositional or ambivalent to Romanness; they were understood to be ancient Roman virtues necessary for the restoration of the western Empire. Indeed, this episode suggested that the Amals (and by extension all the Goths) were an important attribute for Roman emperors and their soldiers which had been lost over the course of the fifth century through a process of feminization. The presence of Theoderic and his Goths, however, now changed this. Theoderic could rightly claim to his mother that the battlefield would “make known the gender of your son, since you begot a [real] man at the happy time of my birth.” Such words clearly highlighted the virtus (manliness, courage, valor) that the Amals and their Goths both represented and restored to Italy. Though Gothic, this collective virtus nonetheless restored the Roman Empire to its former limits of the Republic,”while his sword, which decorated his side along with his fine robes, was described as “the defender of liberty.” And by this, of course, Ennodius meant Western Roman liberty.
    Theoderic’s royal birth thus served two very important purposes within Ennodius’ writings. Its antiquity and fame validated his claims to rulership, much as its lack in his predecessors, immediate and not so immediate, had invalidated theirs. Secondly it evoked Theoderic’s Gothicness, but in a way complementary to his already recognizably noble and Roman qualities. The combination made him an ideal ruler in the West: pedigreed, cultured, and, most important given the military failures of the fifth century and their blow to Roman prestige, victorious. Royal birth, according to Ennodius, made Theoderic a king, but it was his valor and judgment that asserted it. Likewise Theoderic’s noble pedigree won him approbation in Rome, but his conduct on behalf of the Republic demonstrated that he was truly “worthy to be joined among the emperors.”

    • Replies: @antibeast
  440. @Tor597

    It’s all relative. A single income factory worker could afford two cars and a nice house in a good neighbor when we produced everything.

  441. Smith says:

    @ antibeast
    @ Daniel Chieh

    Regardless of the flaunted victory of China, their backstabbing of the USSR and Vietnam will be remembered by Russia and Vietnam. There are honey words now from China but there are constant chinese probing (Senkaku islands, South East Asian sea), and this will in turn militarize Vietnam, Japan and India further.

    Meanwhile, Vietnam has keep its mainland integrity, and its government, while friendly to China, isn’t controlled by China, this is a huge blow to the chinese strategy, because as long as Vietnam, Japan and India breath and have independent government, China cannot control Asia.

    And quit with the anti-Japanese act, no one except chinks and koreans hate Japan, and they hate them because they are competing powers, not any for flimsy massacres.

  442. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Let us understand the life of Theoderic, the OstroGoth, who conquered Rome at the “fall” of the Roman Empire.

    Wrong, it was Odoacer who conquered Rome and deposed the last Roman Emperor, Romulus Augustulus in 476AD. But the Germanic Warlord Alaric led the VisiGoths (Western Goths) to sack Rome in 410AD while the Vandals sacked Rome again in 455AD. Theodoric then led the OstroGoths (Eastern Goths) to seize Rome from Odoacer in order to revive the Western Roman Empire but his reign was short-lived. So the “Fall of the Roman Empire” occurred over a period of 66 years (410-476AD), with Roman culture revived by Theodoric in Italy which was finally annexed by the Byzantine Empire.

    You’re correct that Theodoric admired Roman culture and tried to revive it in Italy but he never learned to speak, read nor write Latin even though he was raised in Constantinople. The Germanic Kingdoms did what they knew best which was to fight and kill each other — all the time — outside of the Roman Church, where Catholic Priests preserved the remnants of Roman Civilization in the form of Canon Law (Roman Law), Clerical Government (Roman Government), Catholic Saints (Roman Deities), Christian Cathedrals (Roman Architecture), Scholastic Philosophy (Roman Philosophy), Medieval Latin (Classical Latin), etc. The West regressed to Medieval Feudalism while the East prospered for a thousand years until the Italian Renaissance when Commerce and Industry, Science and Technology, returned to the West.

    So who created Classical Western Civilization? The Romans. Who saved Medieval Western Civilization from the Germanic barbarians? The Roman Christians. Who revived Modern Western Civilization? The Italians.

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  443. @Smith

    The cope is strong in this one. But he still can’t figure out how to use the reply button.

    • Replies: @Smith
  444. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Wrong, it was Odoacer who conquered Rome and deposed the last Roman Emperor, Romulus Augustulus in 476AD.

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    Thanks for the correction. but again Odoacer was an officer in the Roman Army. Odoacer was not a barbarian invader but a fed-up general turned populist-strongman who built a following among disparate disaffected groups within the empire who had the one thing in common of being utterly exasperated with the elite families vying with each other for the throne.
    Also, Odovacar established his political power with the co-operation of the Roman Senate, and this body seems to have given him their loyal support throughout his reign. Odovacar regularly nominated members of the Senate to the Consulate and other prestigious offices: “Basilius, Decius, Venantius, and Manlius Boethius held the consulship and were either Prefects of Rome or Praetorian Prefects; Symmachus and Sividius were consuls and Prefects of Rome; another senator of old family, Cassiodorus, was appointed a minister of finance.” Historian Arnold Hugh Martin Jones in his book “The later Roman Empire, 284-602 : a social economic and administrative survey” writes that under Odoacer the Senate acquired “enhanced prestige and influence” in order to counter any desires for restoration of Imperial rule. One example of this renewed prestige, for the first time since the mid-3rd century copper coins were issued with the legend S(enatus) C(onsulto). Jones describes these coins as “fine big copper pieces”, which were “a great improvement on the miserable little nummi hitherto current”, and not only were they copied by the Vandal Kingdom in Africa, but they formed the basis of the currency reform by Emperor Anastasius I Dicorus of the Eastern Empire.

    Alaric led the VisiGoths (Western Goths) to sack Rome in 410AD

    Alaric gathered together an army of Goths, Huns and freed slaves and crossed the Alps into Italy. His army was well-organized, not a mob. Honorius was incompetent and completely out of touch, a so-called “shadow emperor” – emperors who ruled in the shadow of the military. He didn’t even live in Rome but had a villa in nearby Ravenna.

    Alaric sat outside the city, and over time, as the food and water in the city became increasingly scarce, Rome began to weaken. Alaric had never wanted war but only land and recognition for his people, entered Rome in August of 410 CE. He would stay for three days and completely sack the city; although he would leave St. Paul and St Peters alone. Honorius remained totally blind to the seriousness of the situation. While temporarily agreeing to Alaric’s demands – something he never intended to honor – 6,000 Roman soldiers were sent to defend the city, but they were quickly defeated.

    But the fact is the Western Empire didn’t actually “fall”. It mutated. The “barbarians” who took over , took up Roman culture to create a Germano)Roman Culture — and many if them became Christians! Also, the local provincials — and even most of the lower orders of Italy — considered them liberators. It was really only in Britain where the invasion of pagan Angles,Saxons & Jutes overthrew the Gallo-Roman culture of what became England, driving the Romanised Celtic Britonic refugees into the hills of Wales. By contrast, the Vandals out-cultured and out-engineered the Romans. The Lombards would later give Italy the most stable, effective, and benevolent government it has seen in centuries. But then Justinian had to come in and destroy both the Vandal and the Lombard kingdoms just to for his own vainglory.
    The great Belgian historian, Henri Pirenne observed that the early “barbarian” kingdoms were very much continuations of Roman civilization, even if weakened, fragmented, and under new management, and the formal termination of the Western emperorship in 476 was of little significance,

    The Visigoths built a fine culture in Iberia and Southern France that well fused Germanic, Celtic, Romance, and Hellenistic elements. And it would last until the Moslem invaders destroyed it.

    Visigothic Brilliance: Pre-Islamic Spain’s Thriving Intellectual Life

  445. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The “fall” of (Western) Rome was complicated. Many causes have been advanced on this issue. For example, English historian Edward Gibbon, points to the rise of Christianity and its effect on the Roman psyche for the collapse of the Roman Empire. Historian Polybius, a 2nd century BCE writer, pointed to a dying republic (years before it actually fell) – a victim of its declining moral virtue and the rise of vice within. Edward Gibbon supported this sentiment as he blamed rise of Christianity as a factor in the “tale of woe” for the empire. He held the religion sowed internal division and encouraged a “turn-the-other-cheek mentality” which ultimately condemned the war machine. When the Roman Empire started, there was no such religion as Christianity. When Constantine established a state-level religious tolerance in the Roman Empire, he took on the title of Pontiff. Although he was not necessarily a Christian himself (he wasn’t baptized until he was on his deathbed), he gave Christians privileges and oversaw major Christian religious disputes. He may not have understood how the pagan cults, including those of the emperors, were at odds with the new monotheistic religion, but they were, and in time the old Roman religions lost out.

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    Over time, Christian church leaders became increasingly influential, eroding the emperors’ powers. For example, when Bishop Ambrose (340–397 CE) threatened to withhold the sacraments, Emperor Theodosius did the penance the Bishop assigned him. Emperor Theodosius made Christianity the official religion in 390 CE. Since Roman civic and religious life were deeply connected—priestesses controlled the fortune of Rome, prophetic books told leaders what they needed to do to win wars, and emperors were deified—Christian religious beliefs and allegiances conflicted with the working of empire.

    However the problem with Gibbon’s theory is that the Eastern Roman Empire survived as a Christian civilization and many of the invading Germanics were Christians too. However in his support we note that, in the West, a career in the Church became a potential path to political power and wealth, as during the pre-Reformation Church. Bishops were getting appointed to political office (Sidonius Appolinaris, the bishop of Arles in the mid 5th century for example). Clergy were exempt from military service, so many became priests or monks to avoid it. Senators didnt want to pay for a strong army, but gave huge sums to the Church. In the East, the Church was under tighter control by the emperor (a system known as Caesaropapism) and this was less of an issue.

    After the Dacian Wars in the Second Century there was little opportunity to win wars that brought in gold and silver to Rome without great military expenditures. The Germanics at times were embraced by Rome, who used them as suppliers of tax revenue and bodies for the military, promoting them to positions of high power. But Rome also lost territory and revenue to some of them, especially in northern Africa, which Rome lost to the Vandals at the time of St. Augustine in the early 5th century CE. At the same time the Vandals took over the Roman territory in Africa, Rome lost Spain to the Sueves, Alans, and Visigoths. The loss of Spain meant Rome lost revenue along with the territory and administrative control, a perfect example of the interconnected causes leading to Rome’s fall. That revenue was needed to support Rome’s army and Rome needed its army to keep what territory it still maintained.
    The decay of the Roman army, according to the 5th-century Roman historian Vegetius, came from within the army itself. The Roman army grew sissified, weak and would often flee from battle. There was cessation of the discipline & rigorous drills. Vegetius said the leaders became incompetent and rewards were unfairly distributed.

    Some scholars have even suggested that the Romans suffered from lead poisoning. Check out this paper by Delile, Hugo, et al. “Lead in Ancient Rome’s City Waters.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America.
     Apparently, there was lead in Roman drinking water, leached in from water pipes used in the vast Roman water control system; lead glazes on containers that came in contact with food and beverages; and food preparation techniques that could have contributed to heavy metal poisoning. The lead was also used in cosmetics, even though it was also known in Roman times as a deadly poison and used in contraception.

    Other reasons blamed include was population decline from intensified epidemic disease. Environmental degradation and climate change may also have worsened conditions, but disease was particularly destructive of dense populations and continuity, whether Roman civilization vs. outlying regions, Roman cities vs. countryside, or traditionally educated elites vs. new and spreading religions. This decline started in the 1st century and reached a nadir in the 600s with populations lower than any time since, or for millenia earlier.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  446. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The West regressed to Medieval Feudalism while the East prospered for a thousand years until the Italian Renaissance when Commerce and Industry, Science and Technology, returned to the West.

    This “backward’ Medieval Europe is B.S. trope, now rightfully challenged.

    Was Medieval Western Europe “Not Advanced”?

    How Dark Were the Dark Ages?

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Anon
  447. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    The English are anti-Catholic as are their Anglo-American descendants in the USA. So that could explain why the English historian Edward Gibbon viewed Roman Christianity negatively. But I agree with you that the “Fall of the West” occurred over an extended period of time which could be aptly called the “Decline of the West”. In addition to the legalization and adoption of the new Christian religion, the fact that Emperor Constantine moved the Imperial Capital of the Roman Empire east to Constantinople would also indicate “decline” of the Western Roman Empire giving rise to the Eastern Byzantium.

    After the Hunnic invasions of Northern Europe forced the Germanic tribes to settle southwards to the margins of the Roman Empire, the Romans treated the Germanic barbarian tribes with contempt by enslaving them or keeping them out. Decades later, the Romans recruited Germanic warriors such as Alaric and Odoacer as mercernaries (foederati) into the Roman Army to help defend the Roman Empire from the Germanic barbarian tribes. But as Roman society degenerated morally, the Germanic warriors themselves became thoroughly disgusted with the vices, violence and venality of the Romans. That’s why after the Germanic barbarian tribes descended into the Western Roman Empire in England (Angles, Saxons), France (Franks), Iberia (Visigoths), Italy (Ostrogoths) and North Africa (Vandals), the Germanic warriors in the Roman Army led by Alaric and Odoacer rebelled against the Roman Empire by sacking Rome and killing the Romans while the oppressed and subjugated White slaves rejoiced and welcomed their Germanic liberators.

  448. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    I didn’t say that the Islamic Kingdoms which invaded and destroyed the Visigothic Kingdom were more “advanced” than the Medieval West.

    The Visigoths invented the Visigothic Code which was exemplary at the time because the Germanic barbarian tribes possessed an oral legal tradition unlike the Romans who codified their legal system. To codify the Germanic customary law into written form, the Visigoths came up with the legal principle of “equal protection of the laws” which applied the law equally to everyone, regardless of ethnicity. As per Wikipedia:

    The code abolished the old tradition of having different laws for Romans (leges romanae) and Visigoths (leges barbarorum), and under which all the subjects of the Visigothic kingdom would stop being romani and gothi instead becoming hispani. In this way, all subjects of the kingdom were gathered under the same jurisdiction, eliminating social and legal differences, and allowing greater assimilation of the populations. As such, the Code marks the transition from the Roman law to Germanic law and is one of the best surviving examples of leges barbarorum. It combines elements of the Roman law, Catholic law and Germanic tribal customary law.

    This was one reason why the Germanic warriors of the Roman Empire hated the Romans who had two sets of laws, applied differently for the Romans and the Germanic barbarians. When Rome “declined”, the Germanic warriors rebelled against the Roman Empire and sacked Rome.

  449. Smith says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I don’t see the cope, my mongol friend.

  450. Why no mention in this article of Sen. Tom Cotton who is leading the charge against China?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  451. @Minnesota Mary

    Because then they’d have to ask what the Israeli angle is in all of this, and that would interfere with their knob-bobbing of the CCP.

  452. @Smith

    Senkaku was only given to Japan by the US to be a thorn in China’s side.

    And no – many in South East Asia remember what Japan did. They are just poor or small or weak and can’t say anything like Korea or China or Russia (who adamantly refuses to give back islands it got from Japan at the end of WW2).

    • Replies: @Smith
  453. Smith says:
    @showmethereal

    Senkaku was kept by the japs after WW2, and they are willing to keep it, the fact chinks constantly probe it is a sign of chink aggression, and nobody in Asia like it.

    And what south east asians exactly? Can you point me to some south east asians that are adamantly anti-japs? It’s funny because I’m south east asian myself, and if I trust the words of chink shills, basically everyone in SEA would love chinks and hate japs and vietnamese, which is the opposite of reality here in SEA.

    Then again, if chinks really believe the whole SEA hating viets for being “indochina imperialist”, they can believe anything.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  454. @Smith

    You obviously have no clue about anything. Japan’s terms of surrender limited what territory she could keep. It’s not just Diayou/Senkaku… Okinawa (Ryuku) should have been given independence. There are other small islands close to Taiwan that were given to her by the US. The sole purpose for all of that was to be a thorn in the PRC’s side. The Treaty of Taipei stated that Japan had to give back the Spratly and Paracel islands to the Republic of China. As per the Potsdam and Cairo Declarations – Japan had NO SAY in anything. It was all the “allies” who got to decide. They figured the Naitonalists would hold on to the mainland against the CCP – which is why they allowed Japan to surrender those South China Sea islands. Those Declarations state clearly that “minor islands” would be given to Japan at the “as we determine” (we – being the allies). Had the KMT held mainland China – the Diayou/Senkaku islands would not have been given to Japan in the 1970’s. Okiwnawa would be an independent Ryuku – and those minor islands near Taiwan would never have been given to Japan either.

    Russia wasn’t weak – so Russia just flat out refuses to this day to give back the islands Japan still claims in the north. And frankly – based on terms of surrender – Japan isn’t really entitled either…. Just like they weren’t entitled to Diayou/Senkaku. You simply don’t mention those Russian possessions because your hatred is reserved for the Chinese. Up to last year Abe wanted to negotiate and Putin said: “NO”

    As to the people of South East Asia. I already explained why they aren’t boisterous against Japan. Reading comprehension is important.

    • Agree: d dan
  455. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    India was at least as advanced.

    • Agree: Malla
  456. fish says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Oh Goflee…..I certainly don’t trust the American or European “mainstream” media any more than I trust Chinese media and I most especially don’t trust you!

  457. anon[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @GeeBee

    I’ve never had a comment approved by this bloke.
    Wouldn’t mind reading your comment though.

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