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Thousands of communists, anarchists, and international NGOs have descended on Athens to celebrate a Greek court’s decision to declare nationalist opposition party, Golden Dawn, a criminal organization.

The ruling is a historic departure for post-war liberalism, which traditionally frowns upon putting members of parliament in prison for their beliefs. All 18 elected MPs, including Golden Dawn’s leader Nikos Michaloliakos, now face a minimum of 10 years in prison.

In total, 68 defendants have been convicted for incidents stemming from 2012 and 2013, such as a confrontation with foreign nationals illegally fishing in Greek waters, a brawl with members of PAME (the paramilitary wing of the Greek Communist Party), and the death of Pavlos Fyssas, a local “antifa” rapper who was stabbed while part of a mob attacking low-level Golden Dawn activist, Giorgios Roupakias, at a bar.

A leftist group retaliated for Fyssas death by murdering two Golden Dawn members in a drive by shooting shortly after. The case remains unsolved and the country’s government has shown no interest in finding the killers.

Golden Dawn caused problems for the Greek government in 2012 when the party entered parliament with 7% of the vote amidst an economic crisis on an anti-immigration and anti-corruption platform. The party then rose to become the third most popular party in Greece.

The decision to arrest Golden Dawn’s parliament members was made in 2013 by the conservative government of New Democracy, led by Antonis Samaras, who decided to make the highly controversial move shortly after a meeting with the World Jewish Congress and other American and European Jewish organizations. Benjamin Netanyahu, Shimon Peres, and other Israeli officials also lauded the crackdown.

Greek law grants members of parliament with legal immunity, a clause that has allowed the political class to get away with decades of rampant corruption and crime. Shortly before the arrests, the communist, liberal and conservative parties in the Hellenic parliament voted to strip Golden Dawn members of this right while keeping it for themselves. The Greek state is considered one of the most corrupt in Europe, with a corruption perception index of 48 — higher than African nations like Senegal (45).

The prosecutorial theory behind declaring Golden Dawn a criminal organization asserts that it is a National Socialist organization, thus it adheres to the Leader Principle (Fuhrerprinzip). Lawyers representing the state argued that this makes Nikos Michaloliakos and the rest of the party’s leadership personally responsible for everything their members and supporters do.

To gauge the absurdity of this case, in the years of the supposed criminal wrongdoings 50,000 Golden Dawn members marched at their yearly Imia rally in 2013. Almost half a million votes delivered them to parliament in 2012. Parliament members being held liable for the actions of all these people is untenable. It was a bad faith argument by people who just wanted to put them in prison for their ideas.

Last year, a number of throwaway “far-right” and pseudo-populist parties such as Greek Solution, which peddles in conspiracy theories, along with conservative defections by Ilias Kasidiaris and Ioannis Lagos (who were both convicted today), have been able to shave enough votes away from Golden Dawn to keep them from re-entering parliament. In spite of this, Golden Dawn is still widely resented by the ruling conservatives of New Democracy for pressuring them into taking harder stances against mass immigration and Turkish military aggression, positions they will promptly drop now that the coast is clear.

Left-wing extremists and frightened members of the ruling class around the world have been energized by this conviction. They have accepted that they have lost the intellectual debate and are now eager to use their tools in the state to declare nationalists criminals and put them in prison wherever they exist. If it can be done in EU member Greece, it can be done anywhere.

Conservatives by and large are either staying silent on the verdict or supporting it. Last week The Spectator, which in 2013 published an article (now deleted) by Taki Theodoracopulos defending Golden Dawn, published a piece by Yanis Baboulias urging they be locked up for being “Nazis.” Perhaps the cowardly right believes if they take this position, they will be imprisoned last.

(Republished from National Justice by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: Antifa, Democracy, European Right, Greece 
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  1. The Taki Theodoracopulos article defending Golden Dawn, although deleted from The Spectator website, can still be read at:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20130724203339/http://www.spectator.co.uk/life/high-life/8964451/taki-golden-dawn-came-into-being-because-of-pc/

    • Thanks: Richard B
    • Replies: @ANONymous
  2. Nicoletta says:

    Yeap…it is still happening right outside my home.
    I live by the Court …. and thousands of people are gathered…

  3. Gunga Din says:

    If the democrats in the U.S. regain power, they will do this to the repubs.

    • Agree: Z-man, Agent76, TWS
    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @sally
    , @G J T
    , @Johnny Rico
  4. Cutler says:

    That is depressing news, Surely appeals and a well attended rally by GD supporters have to be arranged.

    • Replies: @Fr. John
  5. fnn says:

    Fuhrerprinzip is really no different in practice from the Marxist-Leninist “concept” of democratic centralism. So the same legal theory could be used against Communists (and maybe others) if an anti-globalist Right ever returns to power in Greece.

    • Agree: El Dato
  6. Exile says: • Website

    This is the naked criminalization of political opponents. If anyone is demonstrating dictatorial intent here, it’s the Rainbow Empire.

    This is a test case. Expect more of this elsewhere. There is no level of optics-cucking, donations, or denouncing hate, Nazis or White Supreemises that will save you from this power-grab.

    Whites either have the will to live and the will to take power in the face of Jewish led and financed anarcho-tyranny or they don’t.

    There is no other option – sides have already been drawn.

    Jerusalem and Antifa are saying you’re either with us or we’re going to smash you. Organize accordingly, Whitey.

  7. Rahan says:

    Keeping in mind that:
    a) Ireland’s (and not only) political parties evolved from nationalist terrorist groups and militias, and
    b) Every contemporary strand of social democracy and socialism, has also evolved from terrorists (social democrats had murdered I think up to 15 000 people with bombings and shootings before 1917)
    …applying similar criteria to the political landscape of Europe today should instantly erase at least two thirds of the spectrum.
    Only classical conservatives and classical liberals will remain, everyone else is a terrorist group pretending to civilized.

  8. Kuraudo says:

    More proof that democracy was always a lie. In order to protect democracy, they must prevent democracy. If the will of the people demands an end to corruption, well, they’re dumb workers anyway and don’t know what’s good for them so throw them in the gulag.

    All pretenses are off: this is your future if you oppose jewish power. Act accordingly if you choose not to give up in the face of kosher boot coming for your neck, because it will seek you out whether you oppose them or not.

    • Agree: true.enough, Alfred
  9. R.C. says:

    The arrest of elected representatives (Group A) because the accusers (Group B) claim that a killing of Person C by Person D was somehow related or caused by Group A, without more, reveals the blatant lies behind this anti-nationalist* op by B, as ordered by the PTB.
    This is where, folks in Group A should follow T. Jefferson’s advice.
    R.C.
    *It sounds like that though I’m not versed in the politics.
    RC

  10. This tyrannical action shows the power of the Zionist syndicate at work in all countries of any consequence. They control the media and and the overwhelming majority of the politicians through a myriad of Jew organizations such as the ADL and aIPAC in Jewmerica. They will no doubt have even more power in the financially plundered state of Greece.

    The Zionist Jews are always among the biggest contributors to both the Zionist controlled Dem. and Rep. parties. We are approaching a similar situation here. A majority of states have unconstitutional laws that limit speech or boycotts against the terrorist state of Israel (Palestine). In the state of Texas shabbos goy Governor Abbot got the lakies in the legislature to vote that no state employee could speak out against Israel or join the BDS mov. The Texas Supreme Court has correctly ruled this to be a violation of first Amendment rights. Kansas and N.M supreme courts have done the same.

    The Zionists really began this program to limit our freedoms in this manner with the so called “civil rights movement” which was run by the Jews with their black proxy warriors and front man, the drug addict and whore monger MLK. We don’t get our rights from civil authority but rather they are unalienable natural God given liberties. Next came the “hate laws.” All totalitarian states seek to divide everyone into groups as a divide and conquer technique whereas the Constitution is clear, we are all supposed to be equal before the law.

    Recently shabbos goy Trump signed an Ex. order limiting free speech on college campuses by restricting speech against “anti-semitism”, since even the ivory tower academics were beginning to see the truth about the Kazar hucksters in Israel. In Canada and in many European countries people can be imprisoned for saying something against the Kazar criminals. That is where Jewmerica is headed unless the people stand up for there most valuable possession, their individual freedoms.

    This same Zionist criminal syndicate contrives the wars, the fake shootings, the fake Floyd frauds, the staged riots, the theft of trillions by their banking cartel and now the fake virus with the fake test and the fake numbers to further humiliate and condition the livestock. This same group of elite parasites that placed the put options before the demolition of 911 to reap millions of payoff money have already made billions off of the fake virus and are lined up to make billions more on the fake vaccine. The CDC had already begun to let out contracts to their Pharma vaccine makers before the covid19 was even announced. Like in the AIDS “epidemic” Covid 19 has not been identified or isolated by any real laboratory using a scientific method much less the standard for pathogens, the Koch’s postulates.

    The Zioinist syndicate has financial control of most of the world. As all the cucks walk around with their face diapers on, breathing their own waste products, the Zionists are moving the herds into the corral.

    • Agree: Katrinka, Druid, Ugetit
    • Replies: @ANONymous
  11. This is totally contradicting every jurisprudence on the face of the earth.
    Blaming all group for the action of individual is definitely no no!
    It was main crime of fascists when they put Jews into internment indiscriminately without even trying to prove any guilt.

    • Replies: @Ss
    , @Ugetit
  12. Wielgus says:

    PAME is a trade union confederation, not a paramilitary wing. The Greek Communists are actually fairly toothless in militant terms these days, though smaller left groups and anarchists are less so.
    In their days of splendour Golden Dawn spokespeople were capable of assaulting opponents on camera in TV studio discussions. I believe this individual, Kasidiaris, is one of those jailed.

    If that is how the leaders behave with the cameras rolling, it is hardly surprising the underlings are up for a murder or two.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @ANONymous
  13. geokat62 says:

    The decision to arrest Golden Dawn’s parliament members was made in 2013 by the conservative government of New Democracy, led by Antonis Samaras, who decided to make the highly controversial move shortly after a meeting with the World Jewish Congress and other American and European Jewish organizations. Benjamin Netanyahu, Shimon Peres, and other Israeli officials also lauded the crackdown.

    In 1947, Greece was the only European country to vote against UN Partition Plan for Palestine and in 2020 it finally bowed down to Zionist pressure to convict members of a political party on trumped up charges. Sadly, during those intervening 73 years, Greece has clearly lost its sovereignty.

    • Agree: Alfred, Franz
    • Thanks: Ugetit
  14. What a complete travesty of justice. They can’t prove that Michaloliakos (or anyone) ordered or even condoned any criminal actions, but he is sentenced anyway because he “must” have done so. Since he’s an evil Nazi, they don’t even need proof. It’s just so obvious.

    The only way they can get away with this is because the regime purged the police and military at around the same time as Golden Dawn was proscribed. Recall that several generals, senior police officials and the head of intelligence were removed in the same sweep. Samaras did not trust them to remain quiet.

    The investigation into the security services has so far led to the resignation of several police generals, the removal of the head of the intelligence service and members of the Dias units.

    https://greekleftreview.wordpress.com/2013/09/29/crackdown-on-the-golden-dawn/

    While I’m not an expert, I’ve seen several indicators that during those weeks there was a real chance something would blow up in Greece. However, the regime launched a silent coup first, and won. Now the puppets who replaced the patriots are completely loyal to the globalists rather than the people.

    In America, Obama already carried out the equivalent purge in his first term…

    • Replies: @John Regan
  15. @John Regan

    While I’m not an expert, I’ve seen several indicators that during those weeks there was a real chance something would blow up in Greece.

    Looking over my post again, I see I should perhaps clarify: What I meant here was, at the time there was a really big reaction to the extremely blatant corruption involved in the Golden Dawn case, and just after it there were hints that some people wouldn’t just shrug their shoulders at it. I obviously didn’t mean to suggest that Golden Dawn or anyone on their side was plotting a coup or something before they were attacked. Some of the shabbier globalist and regime shills tried to insinuate that, but they’ve never showed any evidence for it, then or since. So that line looks very much like the usual inversion and victim blaming à la Charlottesville.

  16. If the democrats in the U.S. regain power, they will do this to the repubs.

    That would be quite an own-goal for the Pedocrats. The Recucklickins have done a great job playing the Washington Generals against the Pedocrats’ Harlem Globetrotters for many a decade. They’re far worse than the imaginary “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” of Neo-Clown invention. Between Cocaine Mitch and Miss Lindsay, not to mention their faithful house-negro Tim Scott, the art of cucking and caving to Pedocrat demands has been perfected as never before in history. They are the very model of fake-opposition.

    As for the persecution of Golden Dawn, geokat62 nailed it. Samaras visited Murika shortly before the crackdown. Did he meet with some Greek-Murikan association who was upset at this? No, he had to visit the (((bond-holders))) who ordered him to arrest Golden Dawn. They don’t like Golden Dawn because Greek-Key looks like swastika.

    …and then, for no apparent reason, the Germans voted for Adolf Hitler in the 1933 election.

    Every. Single. Time.

    • Replies: @dindunuffins
  17. So has there been any condemnation by the EU, US, and others in the democratic West of this anti-democratic action of the Greek authorities? Perhaps the Belarus, Russian and some other governments could start rounding up opposition parties seeing such actions are now being condoned by the so-called international community.

    But I think it’ll get worse. They’ll ban you, shut you up, fine you and throw you in jail if you go against their NWO plans. In Italy they’re going to prosecute Salvini for kidnapping … immigrants.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  18. geokat62 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    In Italy they’re going to prosecute Salvini for kidnapping … immigrants.

    I thought you were being flippant until I did a search and found this Al Jazeera headline:

    Italy’s Salvini goes on trial, accused of ‘kidnapping’ refugees

    In 2019, the far-right leader, then interior minister, refused to allow more than 100 refugees to disembark from a ship.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/3/hold-for-anealla-salvini-trial-to-begin

    As I’ve repeatedly pointed out, no Western country is permitted to pursue ethno-nationalist policies. Jewish Supremacist Organizations have exerted tremendous pressure on these countries to repudiate all and any tendencies that only they themselves deem to be “fascistic.”

    So, kiss “blood and soil“ goodbye and say hello to “multiculti,” a system in which the dominant ethnic group is cast in the role of despised villain who mercilessly oppresses the members of the remaining population, POCs who are cast as the helpless victims. Needless to say, this horror film doesn’t have a happy ending for the dominant ethnic groups or their progeny, if they don’t manage to flip the script.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  19. Ghali says:

    As always, despicable and misleading fake news from “National Justice“. The convicts are criminals and have nothing to do with politics and “democracy”. In addition to the murder of several poor refugees, Dawn criminals chased and murdered an artist. Pavlos Fyssas, was not “antifa”member. He was an innocent artist exercising his rights.

    The Greek example of justice should be implemented in other European states with Neo-fascist criminal organisations, such as in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Austria, The Netherlands, Spain, Italy, etc.

  20. Anonymous[656] • Disclaimer says:

    Here the author makes a common mistake:

    “PAME (the paramilitary wing of the Greek Communist Party)”

    NO. The Greek Communist Party is the political wing of PAME.
    Similarly Sinn Fein is the political wing of the IRA.

  21. Anon[212] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wielgus

    To paraphrase Niemoller, “First they came for the right wing …….” be afraid, be very afraid

  22. @geokat62

    Agree. And against those others they do not control internally they’ll impose sanctions, start wars, and use any and every conceivable means to impose their will.

  23. GMC says:

    Poor Greece, they never should have been thrown in the Zionist EU. What I’ve read is that Goldman Sachs had to weasel their way into the Greek Gov and cook the books , so it looked like they could fit into ” Da Union”. But it’s location was what the EU wanted , not the people or a honest working Gov. I also heard that their Pensions in some cases have been cut almost in half, another IMF rule – not to mention that the EU uses Greece as a dumping grounds for more Immigrants. The US populace should look at what was done to Greece – a real hard look.

    • Agree: Ugetit
  24. @fnn

    … if an anti-globalist Right ever returns to power in Greece.

    The whole point of this is to ensure that never happens. The Overton Window keeps shifting to the point where anything right of centre-left will be criminalised.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
  25. “The prosecutorial theory behind declaring Golden Dawn a criminal organization asserts that it is a National Socialist organization, thus it adheres to the Leader Principle (Fuhrerprinzip).”

    Wasn’t it the Fuhrerprinzip that legitimized, The One, Barack Obama? This “prosecutorial theory” give us a handle to arrest BHO and hold him responsible for the attempted mass murder by James Hodgkinson. Remember him? The Democrat who was taking target practice at the GOP House members on a baseball field.

    What’s sauce for the goose…

  26. This article would be much more usefully informative if it gave some idea of what is likely to come next in the legal arena, and what the relevant procedural and substantive law might be. What comes first to my mind is an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights. If not possible, or not offering a remedy, why?

  27. Ss says:
    @Rahan

    Terrorists?
    You shillingly call those that resist occupation terrorists rather than those that are the occupiers.
    Typical Zionist drivel

    • Agree: Ugetit
    • Replies: @Rahan
  28. Ss says:
    @Zarathustra

    Those Pharisees declared war on host nation
    Also violently tried to export marxism

  29. Ugetit says:
    @Zarathustra

    It was main crime of fascists when they put Jews into internment indiscriminately without even trying to prove any guilt.

    Any proof to support that idea which appears as vacuous as it is glib?

    On the other hand, do you have any valid ideas about what the “fascists” were attempting to resist? Hint: Read the article to find out what happened to the “fascist” Golden Dawn.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    , @Johnny Rico
  30. The decision to arrest Golden Dawn’s parliament members was made in 2013 by the conservative government of New Democracy, led by Antonis Samaras, who decided to make the highly controversial move shortly after a meeting with the World Jewish Congress and other American and European Jewish organizations. Benjamin Netanyahu, Shimon Peres, and other Israeli officials also lauded the crackdown.

    • Replies: @Sokrates
  31. Ugetit says:
    @The Alarmist

    … if an anti-globalist Right ever returns to power in Greece.

    The whole point of this is to ensure that never happens. The Overton Window keeps shifting to the point where anything right of centre-left will be criminalised.

    Amen.

  32. Fred777 says:
    @Ghali

    European patriots in those countries would do well to start building their underground resistance, if they haven’t already.

  33. All things to the West come from Greece and now that it is going to Hades, the rest of us can’t be too far behind… RIP Greco-Roman derived cultures!

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Francis Miville
  34. @Exalted Cyclops

    Uncle Adolf WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  35. Z-man says:
    @Gunga Din

    To the pro Trump republicans only.
    Trump Must Win!
    America First! American Nationalist Party Now!

  36. Z-man says:
    @God's Fool

    True.
    Didn’t ‘Democracy’ start in Greece because it seems that it’s ending there..

  37. This is right odious : first of all the Golden Dawn movement has absolutely no chance of winning over enough voters even to become an opposition party like France’ FN. They were using their political representation only as a free speech tool. They are actually a regional party of Peloponese that identify more with ancient Sparta than with Athens, regrouping people who speak Tsakonian, not modern Greek. Their message is that Greek is not synonymous with Athenian and that Athens never won over the sympathies of a majority of Greeks until the 1820 revolution, as it was a renowned prostitute city.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  38. @Ghali

    Why aren’t the communists, leftists and anarchists defending the economic and human rights of the Greek workers, unemployed and pensioners? Why aren’t they organising to assist and feed the poor Greeks? Why aren’t they defending the oil groves and other properties from vandalism by the immigrants. Why aren’t they defending the borders of the country from invaders wanting to spread devastation everywhere they go? Do that first and then you can go hunting for the fascists.

    And how many immigrants have the Front National, Pegida, AfD, and other nationalist parties murdered as compared to how many locals have been killed by Arab and black criminals and Muslim terrorists? Did you do a balance sheet to see who are the bigger murderers and criminals? Surely those political parties and NGOs inviting the immigrants to murder, rob and rape European citizens are the real criminals and members of organised criminal gangs as they are responsible for all those murders, robberies, rapes and terrorist acts. Without their policies there would be none of this mayhem, and Europeans could live in peace going about their business unmolested and undisturbed as they used to before these government parties opened the flood gates and started persecuting and prosecuting anyone and everyone opposed to them and their anti-European policies.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  39. Rahan says:
    @Ss

    You shillingly call those that resist occupation terrorists rather than those that are the occupiers.
    Typical Zionist drivel

    Ye olde shillingly call.

    “Shillingly” does actually sound like some sort of Celtic tavern music genre.

    “Laddie tú ag imirt seo shillingly fidil maith go leor. A ligean ar a shéideadh suas teach tábhairne anois. Do cosmaí dlí agus cirt.”

  40. @God's Fool

    The Greek cause is a lost cause : this people should consider going back under Turkish rule.

    • Replies: @God's Fool
  41. Greek “conservatives” are as cowardly as their American counterparts in the Republican party.

    • Agree: geokat62
  42. sally says:
    @Gunga Din

    hope so..a great way to study sociology <=interesting to observe lower class jail bird change in behavior when integrated with upper class jailbirds in a collectively confined environment. What would be the charges? I have heard unwritten law exclusively exempts members of congress from lying, stealing, cheating, accepting bribes damages and from writing laws that rob, steal,, cheat on the governed, extort money from the governed, appropriate trillions from non corporate tax payer wealth in single swooshes if and only if, such wealth is given exclusively to one or more monopoly powered global corporations in need of a small boost, or to foreign nations <== provided that foreign nation makes something available to the recipient worthy of the gift. So for the life of me, if the unwritten laws are as I understand them, I am unable to think of a possible charge that could result in a court of the peers of the members willing to hear the case?

  43. geokat62 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Great response. Criticizing people who are trying to defend their homeland is like criticizing someone who tries to protect his home.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  44. G J T says:
    @Gunga Din

    If the democrats in the U.S. regain power, they will do this to the repubs.

    This is retarded. Golden Dawn was a real nationalist, opposition party. Republicans are in fact no opposition at all, and exist merely to one-up liberals on their liberalism and antiracism.

    • Agree: Malla
  45. Z-man says:
    @Francis Miville

    … Athens never won over the sympathies of a majority of Greeks until the 1820 revolution, as it was a renowned prostitute city.

    Big grin.

  46. ANONymous[699] • Disclaimer says:
    @Undocumented Shopper

    Please let me know if the following say anything to you.

    Protocol 19th

    “In order to destroy the prestige of heroism for political crime we shall send it for trial in the category of thieving, murder and every kind of abominable and filthy crime.
    Public opinion will then confuse in its conception this category of crime with the disgrace attaching to every other and will brand it with the same contempt.
    We have done our best, and I hope we have succeeded to obtain that the goyim should not arrive at this means of contending with sedition. It was for this reason that though the Press and its speeches, indirectly -in cleverly compiled school books on history, we have advertised the martyrdom alleged to have been accepted by sedition-mongers for the idea of the commonweal.
    This advertisement has increased the contingent of liberals and has brought thousands of goyim into the ranks of our live-stock cattle.”

    PS
    Installed, by this old communist bitch Angela Merkel, as prime minister of Greece, Mitsotakis (the bastard born out of wedlock of his mother Dora with some entertainer) yesterday met in his office with the “Greek” Jewry to celebrate the conviction as crime organization, of the former elected members of the Greek parliament.
    ELECTED, that is, by Greek citizens in open and fair elections on 2012.
    Back then they were not a criminal organization.

    • Thanks: Richard B
  47. Fr. John says:
    @Cutler

    “Surely appeals and a well attended rally by GD supporters have to be arranged.”

    Will we White Christian Europeans have to liberate our brethren in Greece from another (((Turkic))) invasion, again?

    ” Later in life Byron joined the Greek War of Independence fighting the Ottoman Empire and died of disease leading a campaign during that war, for which Greeks revere him as a national hero.[6] He died in 1824 at the age of 36 from a fever contracted after the First and Second Siege of Missolonghi.”

    • Replies: @geokat62
  48. @Ghali

    Fascism is definitely overkill. But fascism as any other political movement is the response to the existing condition in state.
    In my opinion we can expect now rise of fascism everywhere in the world with the exception of China. The Liberalism does have many destructive characters for the society which are now apparent even to the people with impaired brain functions.
    There will be blood on the street and that blood will be mostly blood of liberals.

  49. @Gunga Din

    No they won’t. Don’t be silly. What antifa have been killed in the States anyway?

    And according to UNZ dogma the Republican party is not a nationalist party but the same party as the Democrats and is controlled from Tel Aviv.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @fnn
  50. ANONymous[699] • Disclaimer says:
    @mark tapley

    What do you mean ………”We are approaching a similar situation here”?

    Already started in Michigan.
    “Plans to kidnap Whitmer, overthrow government spoiled, officials say”

    Open the link

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/10/08/feds-thwart-militia-plot-kidnap-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer/5922301002/

    and see the patsies.

    Plans to kidnap Whitmer?????
    I wouldn’t touch this bitch ewven with a ten feet pole.

    • Replies: @mark tapley
  51. @Ugetit

    You have to do better than that!

  52. @Ugetit

    Yeah. German history. Read much?

  53. geokat62 says:
    @Fr. John

    Byron joined the Greek War of Independence fighting the Ottoman Empire

    Byron’s heart was buried under a tree in Messolonghi, Greece.

  54. Malla says:
    @Z-man

    Didn’t Plato say something like Democracy is a scam run by oligarchs behind the scenes. It just gets the people more excited for the Oligarch agendas?

  55. @fnn

    god willing an anti-globalist right returns to power in greece a more sanguine response is in order.

    • Replies: @ANONymous
  56. Rurik says:
    @geokat62

    Criticizing people who are trying to defend their homeland is like criticizing someone who tries to protect his home.

    they arrest Americans today who try to protect their homes from marauding rioters who trespass and menace these people at their own homes today- in the Land of the free and home of the brave.

    protecting your home from those who would burn it to the ground, is racist, and now a punishable offence.

    But let me ask you Geo, as you’d know better than most, are there a lot of Greeks who take pleasure in sanctimoniously strutting their moral superiority over Germans?

    Like so many French and British and Russians and Americans do.

    Pretending and preening that they all saved the planet from the Nazi threat, only to end up eating Jewish ___ for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

    ‘yea, we have to commit depraved demographic suicide, and doom our children to a hell on earth, but at least we showed those Nazis a thing or two!’

    Something like that?

    And if so, is the ego pleasure they get from their status-whoring vanity over Germans, more important than their own children’s welfare?

    If it came down to it, would most Greeks prefer to suffer demographic dissolution, than ever admit that the Nazis were right about the Jewish question?

    (please keep in mind that I don’t believe for one second that the Nazis ever intended or attempted any kind of ‘final solution’. That was all just projection, because it’s very well known that many powerful Jews did demand the genocide of the German people off the face of the planet for all eternity.)

    • Agree: mark tapley
    • Replies: @geokat62
  57. @Z-man

    We are living in republic a parlamentary democracy inspired by rome not a direct democracy like ancient greece

  58. “Greek Solution, which peddles in conspiracy theories”…

    One ought to be very careful who one labels a conspiracy theorist. Tomorrow that label may be applied to you. The label has always been a smear. Originally it meant you were a crank. Pretty soon it will be a reason to put you in prison.

  59. geokat62 says:
    @Rurik

    … are there a lot of Greeks who take pleasure in sanctimoniously strutting their moral superiority over Germans?

    Like most other Western nations, Greece has not managed to successfully immunize itself from the cultural Marxist poison that has been injected into the West’s bloodstream.

    As another commenter mentioned, the late Lord Byron sacrificed his life to help liberate Greece from 400 years of Ottoman rule. He came to the aid of the Greek revolutionaries who sacrificed everything to liberate their country.

    If these honourable men could see how their descendants are selling their country out and once more enslaving their people to a foreign element, they’d be spinning in their graves!

    We need to do everything in our power to bring down this diabolical regime of Jewish Supremacy, resist it to the very end. Because, if we don’t, our progeny will curse the day we were born.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  60. ANONymous[699] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wielgus

    You ignorant communist Wielgus, they didn’t tell you the story correct.

    First the bitch who attack Mr. Kasidiaris, was the lesbian communist Liana Kaneli.

  61. Rurik says:
    @geokat62

    Thank you Geo,

    And Agree!

  62. @ANONymous

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention. This as you allude to is obviously an FBI false flag operation in order to smear all the real Americans that are fed up with this Zionist virus fraud used as a power grab to eliminate our natural God given rights. Just like fake Floyd, the staged riots and fake shootings these tactics are designed to instill fear and to condition the public to obey our shabbos goy politicians. All officials from top to bottom that have supported this unconstitutional fraud need to be removed from office. Just like the millions of dollars made on the short sales placed right before 911 you can bet that these political parasites are all lined up for kick backs from the coming fake vaccine.

    • Replies: @Sokrates
  63. It seems an alternative far-right party in Greece (but that isn’t neo-fascist/violent like Golden Dawn) has replaced the latter in terms of its voters:

    A new party on the far right, Greek Solution, less extreme and apparently less menacing, may have siphoned away rightist support. It is projected to have 10 seats in the new Parliament.

    https://apnews.com/article/c10782a0c6324824a76dd23dac6b8499
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Solution

    A similar thing happened in Germany – the more moderate Alternative for Germany replaced the National Democratic Party of Germany and in UK – the more moderate United Kingdom Independence Party replaced the British National Party (who themselves replaced the more extreme and openly neo-Nazi National Front), and so on.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  64. geokat62 says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    It seems an alternative far-right party in Greece… A similar thing happened in Germany… and in UK…

    Do you think this is a positive development?

    • Replies: @Oliver D. Smith
  65. @Rahan

    (social democrats had murdered I think up to 15 000 people with bombings and shootings before 1917)

    Where did you get those numbers?

    • Replies: @Rahan
  66. Greece = A look into the future of America. In fact its already guaranteed because the corruption here is so complete that there is no desire to change course. I can agree with a lot of the things Golden Dawn says, much of it I don’t. Its hard to feel much sympathy for the Golden Dawn people though. Just like the “alt-right” here, they seem to only want to attack symptoms and scapegoat and incite violence against other poor people instead of the system. Sure they have some good rhetoric, but in the end they favor things like low taxes for big business, union busting and being ruled by oligarchs, so long as they’re not “Jews”. Lots of race baiting and race war talk, but totally reject any talk of class war, in the end they’re just imperialists who hate the blowback.

    The rise of these neo-Nazi groups is a result of capitalist parasites taking advantage of the economic collapse they themselves caused. Then like termites they look to steal everything that holds a society together through privatization, austerity, massive theft of everything the working class has built. The corrupt governments response is just to spend more money on police and militarization to squash any dissent, when they should be using that money to improve peoples lives, for education, social services, public infrastructure, and try to maintain a descent standard of living. This alone tells you that both sides are tyrants who have no interest in doing their jobs, their only concern is protecting the rich and enriching themselves.

    The people who want to jail the Neo-Nazis are guilty of the same as far as I can tell. They’re only wanting to get rid of the symptom as well, not cure the disease. Though I can understand why communists would want the Nazis out, Haha… All the politicians who gave their country away to the IMF, banks and rich capitalists should be the ones rotting away in prison. From what I know the Greek communist party has little to no power, it is a capitalist country after all, The EU and IMF pretty much control the money and thus the means of production. The Greek story sounds exactly like something out of John Perkins Confessions of an Economic Hitman. Its criminal.

    None of this would be possible without a corrupt media that is controlled by the CIA, the capitalists, the Zionist, the 1%. They really are enemy numero uno.

    Pretty much the same thing going on here between the libtards and conservatives. Treating Trump as the problem, not the system. If only mean ol Trump goes away everything will be peaches and cream again. Thats the problem. When both the choices you’re given are the problem, you don’t have “democracy”. So of course people will look somewhere else, even Nazis, when everyone else has already fucked them. People on both sides just seem to be evil as fuck. No empathy at all.

    Many have been warning that another 4 years of this, whether under Biden or Trump is going to lead us to the same place. Posers like Bernie Sanders, the libtards and the media will be just as responsible for it as Trump/GOP. This is probably what they want anyway, might as well drop the “democracy” shtick and go full blown dictatorship since we’re already there anyway.

    They’ve been chipping away at our freedom, privacy, and liberty for a while now, especially since 9/11 and its only accelerating. With both sides now begging the National Security State to designate the other as terrorists, it won’t be long before everyone is a terrorist and no one has any rights or freedom.

    As far as the immigration problem that also helps fuel these Nazi groups, aside from the cheap labor and driving wages lower, I wouldn’t doubt that one of the reasons they are allowing so many in is to increase hostility towards the immigrant, to keep the natives busy fighting and blaming the immigrants instead of coming for their scalps. Seems to be a pattern in the capitalist countries lately.

    I guess the Golden Dawn guys would have been fine if they had just focused their anger towards the commies and Muslims. Being “anti semitic” is a bridge too far I reckon. Haha. Both the libtards, socdems, and even conservatives like to use the “far right” and Neo-Nazis as a boogeyman. But in reality the mainstream politicians are just as bad or worse in terms of policy, so they shouldn’t be surprised when people start siding with the Nazis. This actually makes the libtards and cons more dangerous than the Nazis IMO, at least the Nazis are somewhat honest about who they are.

    The sooner the US/NATO ends it wars in the Middle East, Africa and Asia the better. Killing Ghaddafi and destroying Libya was a huge mistake for the ordinary folks, that opened the floodgates for immigrants and refugees. Need to stop with the sanctions as well, places like Syria can’t rebuild under the sanctions, people will continue to flee for Europe, and the ones already there can’t return.

    I doubt that will ever happen, looks like the big war is coming, things about to get worse.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @fnn
  67. Anonymous[656] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Rico

    “What antifa have been killed in the States anyway?”

    You might want to get someone to read you a newspaper once in a while.

  68. @geokat62

    I don’t support far-right politics so none of it is positive in my opinion. However, I flirted with the far-right as a teenager so I understand some of the mindset and political strategy. If you had asked me that same question 10-15 years ago – I would have said it was a positive development because, back then – far-right parties across Europe (with very few exceptions such as the FPÖ) performed abysmal in elections, so what was the point in them? What became known as ‘right wing populism’ or ‘national populism’ in the 2010s (essentially an electoral-palatable far-right) never existed in the 2000s. The Swedish Democrats, Alternative for Germany, Finns Party, PVV in Netherlands, Front National and UKIP all made their electoral breakthroughs in the early-mid 2010s (while the FPÖ performed its best in 2016). I still know people involved in the far-right and nearly all of them support the populist route, even extreme hardliners (literal neo-Nazis).

    • Replies: @geokat62
  69. geokat62 says:
    @redmudhooch

    Europe is being swamped by a massive wave of migrants threatening to irreversibly alter the demographic makeup of these historic nations and this comment receives a golden frame because it refers to political parties that are serious about combatting this looming demographic threat as neo-Nazi or neo-fascist?

    No matter how much people wish to obfuscate the issue, the battleline for the next decades has been clearly drawn… it’s between the ethno-nationalists and the civic-nationalists. Supporters of the former simply wish to retain the demographic makeup of their country and they’re being called everything in the book for doing so: racist thugs, neo-Nazis, neo-fascists.

    Supporters of civic-nationalism, on the other hand, are ready to discard their heritage in favour of their countries being turned into multi-culti shopping malls, out of fear of being called evil racists!

    As the author of this article has pointed out, this phenomenon – whereby European countries have been transitioning from a homogeneous to a more diverse population – is not by accident. Behind the scenes, Jewish Supremacist Organizations have been putting tremendous pressure on European governments to abandon their ethno-states and embrace diversity. They’re urging them to turn their backs on the one element that has truly made their countries strong, a homogenous population.

    These JSOs are pulling out all the stops to ensure Never Again! by turning Europe’s great nations into dysfunctional nightmares. Since so much hangs in the balance in this conflict, the least we could do is to be a little more forthright about what parties like Golden Dawn, Patriotic Alternative, National Justice Party truly stand for and what they’re trying to achieve.

    Labelling them neo-Nazis or neo-fascists is simply disingenuous.

    • Replies: @ANONymous
  70. ANONymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @besarionis jugashvili

    What do you mean anti-globalist right? Mr.Stalin?

    You better say a military government comes to power.
    But this time the one in charge of the military gov will not allow the traitors to escape like George Papadopoulos.

    This time there will be the noose for ALL traitors.
    Politicians, Journalists, Judges, Oligarchs, Top Cops, Top Clergy all of these maaa-humpers

  71. geokat62 says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    I don’t support far-right politics so none of it is positive in my opinion.

    You’re confusing me. If you don’t support far-right politics, shouldn’t you view the splintering of the far-right vote by the creation of fake nationalist parties as a positive development?

    Let’s take Britain for example. You’ve pointed out that the British people previously could’ve voted for the National Front or its successor the BNP. Both these parties were ethno-nationalists in the sense that they wanted to retain the demographic integrity of the country by putting an end to mass immigration. And both of them were eventually disbanded.

    In time, new right-wing parties soon came on the scene that presented themselves as being nationalists but were really the milquetoast variety, civic-nationalist. I’m talking about For Britain, Britain First, and the one you mentioned earlier, UKIP.

    Who do you think is responsible for the creation of these faux nationalist parties, with the goal of splintering the right-wing vote and the continuation of mass immigration?

    Well, I think Nick Griffin of the BNP was the only one to disclose this information…

    Nick Griffin Offered Bribe By Zionist Neocons In 2007:

    The beginning of this video includes the following introductory information:

    Nick Griffin announced in 2013 that the BNP had been approached in about 2007 by American “neocons” (presumably Jews) wanting to take over the BNP. After their failure, they funded the EDL, various junk ‘think-tanks’, and at least one junk website.

    Speaking of the EDL, I believe it was Mark Collett of Patriotic Alternative who first exposed the fact that Tommy Robinson’s group was funded and founded by Jews. The EDL took pains to present itself as a British nationalist entity, but with time it became clear that it did not oppose mass immigration per se, it just was against Muslims who practiced the religion of radical Islam.

    The startling evidence of the origins of the EDL is presented starting @ 1:03:50 of this video:


    For those who can’t bother viewing the video, here’s the physical evidence Mark presented that proves Tommy Robinson (fake name to along with a fake group) applied to change the official name of the EDL from The English Defence League to The English and Jewish Defence League!

    How’s that for real British nationalism?

    … and faux-nationalist Tommy has no issue revealing where his true loyalties lie:

    Tommy Robinson: “If There Was a
    War… l’d be there fighting FOR ISRAEL”

    The same phenomenon is occurring all across Europe. True (ethno) nationalist parties are being demonized for simply wishing to put an end to mass immigration and are being mislabeled as neo-Nazi, neo-fascist criminals, just like Golden Dawn is.

    The fundamental truth, however, is no country in the West is permitted to retain their demographic integrity. Thanks to the efforts of Jewish Supremacist Organizations, they must trade in “blood and soil“ for a “multiculti” dystopia in which the indigenous people become the despised majority who supposedly lord it over the oppressed visible minorities… and they’re expected to embrace this future for fear of being called an evil nahtzeeee?

    “Blood and soil“ used to be mainstream and now it’s labeled as “far-right” thinking. How did this come about? Why is the Jewish state permitted to continue to brutally oppress the native population so they can preserve their “blood and soil” country, while no one blinks an eye, but if anyone in the West tries to emulate them, they’re vilified as evil neo-Nazis or “far-right“ neo-fascists?

    I’ll close by posing this simple question: are you comfortable disclosing whether you’re a supporter of the Jewish ethno-state?

    • Replies: @Oliver D. Smith
  72. fnn says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Rittenhouse killed three apparent Antifa (or BLM) who were trying to kill him.

  73. fnn says:
    @redmudhooch

    Sure they have some good rhetoric, but in the end they favor things like low taxes for big business, union busting and being ruled by oligarchs, so long as they’re not “Jews”…

    You’re describing literally no one who exists in the real world. At best, you’re a gullible true believer Antifa unwittingly disseminating Woke Capital (i.e., All Big Money) disinfo.

  74. @Francis Miville

    If the Greeks are forced back under the foot of their age old nemesis, the Turks, because we fail to succor them in their hour of need then how long before we, ourselves, are in the hot water … what’s is good for the goose is good for the gander, too!

  75. @Z-man

    It may have started there (at least, that is the consensus around the civilized world) but I am afraid it may end right here at home, if we’re not on guard.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  76. ANONymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    Lets NOT FORGET WHO created all this chaos to Europe with these illegal immigrants.

    On Sep 11 2001 19 bare ass “eye-rabs” came to America, full NORAD ( a billion dollar aero-defence system) hijack 4 planes with ….razor knives and obliterated 3 skyscrapers in NY with 3000 plus, innocent American lives gone.
    THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE.
    Traitor W. Bush start bombing the Middle East, with all this chaos and human tragedy we are witnessing to day in Europe.

    When the illegal and terrorist “state of Israel” was created, the Jews have a demographic problem.
    While ethno-cleansing, or expelling the Palestinian people from their own land, they realize they did not have enough Jews to occupy the vacant land.
    So what they did?
    They send into the Arab countries where Jews and Arabs live together peacefully for centuries, their Arabic speaking black agents and bomb Jewish markets, synagogues, places where Jews were gathering, etc to instill fear to these Jews so they can move to their new “country”.

    They did it in ALL Arab countries in the Middle East as well in North African countries.

    So, Jews are doing the exact same thing today. I addition to bombs, their “black agents” today are their MSM. They advertise not only in war torn countries, like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria etc., but also in ALL continent of Africa.

    Their sweet words in these countries, probably go like this:
    “Come to Europe. Escape tyrants, torture, war, famine, illiteracy and inequality. Joint free benefits, women rights, and equality for all”.

    So, you see the strange phenomenon, people from Syria or Iraq do not go to other Muslim and rich countries or do not go to Israel next to them, but they risk their lives to cross the Aegean Sea and come to Greece. And there, in the island of Lesvos you will see …israeli NGO’s to wait for refugees in order to comfort, protect, and instruct them where to go and how to survive while their Jew co-religionists bomb them in their countries.

    If you do not believe me
    listen to this “American” Jewess who has the nerve to talk about Europe, like she is talking about major renovations she plans to do in her own bathroom.

  77. ANONymous[161] • Disclaimer says:

    I mean deceive NORAD

  78. ANONymous[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghali

    Listen up you communist Jew Ghali .

    Two thugs were fighting over some football game in a coffee house in Greece.
    One thug pull a knife and kill the other thug.
    It is known that the killer Georgios Roupakias, was a communist years ago but when realizing that the KKE (Communist Party of Greece) is a bunch of bull for the poor people, he turn to be a voter of Golden Dawn.
    So, how come some murder, has to do with an elected political party and its leaders, not only in Greece but ANYWHERE IN THE CIVIL WORLD?

    Understand the difference or you want me to make it loose change?

    Cause, if this is the way the Justice system works around the world, then any murderer must be examined FIRST as to WHAT IS HIS POLITICAL IDEOLOGY and then convict the leaders of the party and why not its followers as well.

    Years ago (1991) there was a similar brawl in Greece involved a communist math teacher named Nikolaos Temboneras and two members of the today ruling party of New Democracy (or New Kleptocracy).
    One or the both of them murder the communist teacher, Temboneras.

    Prime minister at the time was Kostas Mitsotakis the grandfather of this communist thug who governs Greece today. Τhose two people arrested for the murder, one tried and convicted to prison.

    I DIDN’T SEE THE LEADERS OF THE NEW DEMOCRACY TO BE ACCUSED AS THE LEADERS OF A CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION.

    What da ya think?

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  79. Sokrates says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Correct.

    Europe is governed by the European Jewish Council now.

  80. Sokrates says:
    @mark tapley

    See the pre-testing of the tolerance of American people, with the cases of the 1993 World Trade Center “bombing”, Waco Texas Holocaust and the Oklahoma bombing.

    These three cases and the indifference of the majority of the American people, set the conditions for 9/11 and the following slaughter house we live in today throughout the world.

    Reminder:
    President at the time of ALL three incidents, the traitor, child rapist and butcher of Yugoslavia, piece of shit, named Bill Clinton.

  81. @geokat62

    You’re confusing me. If you don’t support far-right politics, shouldn’t you view the splintering of the far-right vote by the creation of fake nationalist parties as a positive development?

    There’s not much splintering since far-right parties that don’t moderate their image for public appeal are very quickly replaced by the right-wing populists. Alternative for Germany replaced the NDP within a few years, not a long time. It’s rarely the case that there’s two or more far-right parties splintering the vote in multiple elections. Alternative for Germany for example got 5,317,499 votes (12%) in 2017 compared to the NDP’s 45,169 (0.1%) and had already crushed the NDP in the local 2016 state elections. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Saxony-Anhalt_state_election With so few people voting for the NDP there was minimal to negligible split of the far-right vote.

    UKIP used to perform far worse than the BNP in the 2000s (excluding in the EU elections), but this is because Farage was not running the party at that time with his brand of populism. The 2000s UKIP was a party for single-issue Eurosceptic ex-Conservative Party voters, hence they did terrible in non-EU elections since its voters supported the Conservatives in those, and were embarrassingly beaten by the BNP; there was nothing populist about UKIP back then and it barely even discussed immigration. In fact, this is why the party Veritas (led by Robert Kilroy-Silk – who had a history of criticising multiculturalism) split from UKIP in 2005; Veritas adopted a policy of a complete ban on all immigration for 5-years, but the party became soon defunct and its members re-joined UKIP.

    As for my own views – I support proportional representation voting in UK (most countries in Europe have this already but UK doesn’t). Until PR is introduced – politics is a waste of time in Britain. I would be interested though if Farage creates the ‘Reform Party’ – it’s two policies would be PR and abolishing the undemocratic House of Lords. Such as a party could win cross-party support and a lot of voters from diverse backgrounds with very different views, but who only agree on these two things. However, if Farage’s Reform Party becomes UKIP 2.0 I’d have zero interest in it.

    Let’s take Britain for example. You’ve pointed out that the British people previously could’ve voted for the National Front or its successor the BNP. Both these parties were ethno-nationalists in the sense that they wanted to retain the demographic integrity of the country by putting an end to mass immigration. And both of them were eventually disbanded.

    In time, new right-wing parties soon came on the scene that presented themselves as being nationalists but were really the milquetoast variety, civic-nationalist. I’m talking about For Britain, Britain First, and the one you mentioned earlier, UKIP.

    Who do you think is responsible for the creation of these faux nationalist parties, with the goal of splintering the right-wing vote and the continuation of mass immigration?

    There was really very little difference between 2010s UKIP (under Farage) and BNP in its policy on immigration – both wanted to see massive reductions in net-migration and Farage did not only talk about economic concerns about immigration, but cultural. Furthermore, when the BNP knew it was in competition with UKIP for anti-immigration voters it tried to moderate its image. In 2012 its candidate for London Mayor was Carlos Cortiglia – an immigrant from Uruguay. Watch this interview:

    So I don’t buy conspiracy theories there were “Zionists” or another imaginary group who created the rise of UKIP when the BNP knew themselves they had to moderate their image or face electoral annihilation. It’s a complete waste of time thinking in terms the right-wing populists are “fake nationalism” since many of the traditional far-right nationalist parties themselves moderated to seek electoral success like the FN and Sweden Democrats. The latter were literally a neo-fascist in the 1990s and early 2000s. The hardliners left or were kicked out in the mid-late 2000s and the Swedish Democrats made their electoral breakthrough in the 2010s after moderating their image.

    Well, I think Nick Griffin of the BNP was the only one to disclose this information…

    Nick Griffin Offered Bribe By Zionist Neocons In 2007:

    Nick Griffin has always been an idiot who has clung to conspiracy theories. The reality is the demise of the BNP if you ignore the moderation issue was a lot to do with Griffin himself. Look at what happened in 2011 here –

    Speaking of the EDL, I believe it was Mark Collett of Patriotic Alternative who first exposed the fact that Tommy Robinson’s group was funded and founded by Jews. The EDL took pains to present itself as a British nationalist entity, but with time it became clear that it did not oppose mass immigration per se, it just was against Muslims who practiced the religion of radical Islam.

    The EDL never contested elections. It wasn’t a political party but a street protest movement and mostly attracted football hooligans and drunks; ask most people who showed up at an EDL protest what they were there for and they wouldn’t know – all they wanted is a punch-up with Antifa. The EDL never took away BNP voters like UKIP did (something Farage has admitted on multiple occasions), although a few people in UKIP in the 2010s supported Robinson/EDL, most notably Lord Pearson and Gerrard Batten, but most in UKIP at that time were staunchly opposed to Robinson and EDL including Nigel Farage and they put a ban on EDL members from joining UKIP.

    Patriotic Alternative are more or less BNP 2.0 (Collett is ex-BNP) and won’t get more than 2% of the vote like the BNP did at their height in 2010, that is, if they decide to contest elections (they’ve apparently had trouble registering with the electoral commission and are not a political party at moment). I don’t think anyone is worried about them -they’re not an electoral threat. Collett has even more baggage than Griffin as a self-admitted neo-Nazi.

    The same phenomenon is occurring all across Europe. True (ethno) nationalist parties are being demonized for simply wishing to put an end to mass immigration and are being mislabeled as neo-Nazi, neo-fascist criminals, just like Golden Dawn is.

    That argument doesn’t make sense since many of the neo-fascist and ethnic nationalist parties moderated their image and then went on the win massive levels of support like FN and Swedish Democrats. The more moderate right-wing populist parties have the same goal to end mass-immigration, so if you support that, it makes no sense to support a party that had no chance of doing good in an election.

    I should point out even a hardliner and self-admitted neo-Nazi like Collett knows this:

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Mark_Collett#United_Kingdom_Independence_Party

    If you are going down an ethno-nationalist route you might as well start a drinking club, as you’re not getting elected. If you’re going after electoral power, you need to go down the civic route.

    – Mark Collett

    This is why it surprised me Collett doesn’t want to moderate Patriotic Alternative.

    The fundamental truth, however, is no country in the West is permitted to retain their demographic integrity. Thanks to the efforts of Jewish Supremacist Organizations, they must trade in “blood and soil“ for a “multiculti” dystopia in which the indigenous people become the despised majority who supposedly lord it over the oppressed visible minorities… and they’re expected to embrace this future for fear of being called an evil nahtzeeee?

    “Blood and soil“ used to be mainstream and now it’s labeled as “far-right” thinking. How did this come about? Why is the Jewish state permitted to continue to brutally oppress the native population so they can preserve their “blood and soil” country, while no one blinks an eye, but if anyone in the West tries to emulate them, they’re vilified as evil neo-Nazis or “far-right“ neo-fascists?

    I’ll close by posing this simple question: are you comfortable disclosing whether you’re a supporter of the Jewish ethno-state?

    It’s not an ethno-state. That’s one of the many lies used by the far-right.

    How can Israel be an ethno-state if it has elected ethnic minorities in their parliament?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset

    Furthermore, according to census data – 18% of Israel’s population identifies as practicing Islam, while 2% Christian.

    A Jewish ethno-state with 20% non-Jews?

    I don’t personally have any interest in Israeli politics. I’m very unlikely to ever travel there.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  82. Jiminy says:

    A sad time for all, to think that this has happened in the historical birthplace of democracy. Clearly Greece has never recovered from the economic meltdown, and the lifeline that they have finally been given had certain caveats attached. One of them to thoroughly eliminate the alternate thinkers.

  83. Rahan says:
    @but an humble craftsman

    Where did you get those numbers?

    Thanks for this question.
    From a book on Russian/Soviet history, I used numbers from memory. Can’t be bothered to leaf through, however the Internetski has some easy data along similar lines. Online translate allows one to access super interesting stuff which is generally difficult to locate in the “free and democratic” western internets.

    Размах терроризма получил в начале 20 века. Историк Анна Гейфман, основная тема работ которой – политический терроризм на территории России, приводит данные о статистике терроризма в начале XX века.

    Так, в течение года, начиная с октября 1905 года, в Российской империи было убито и ранено 3611 государственных чиновников. К концу 1907 года это число увеличилось почти до 4500 человек. Вместе с 2180 убитыми и 2530 ранеными частными лицами общее число жертв в 1905—1907 годах Гейфман оценивает числом более 9000 человек. По официальной статистике, с января 1908 года по середину мая 1910 года произошло 19957 террористических актов и экспроприаций, в результате которых было убито 732 госчиновника и 3051 частное лица, при этом 1022 госчиновника и 2829 частных лиц были ранены.

    Полагая, что значительная часть местных терактов не попала в официальную статистику, Гейфман общее число убитых и раненых в результате террористических актов в 1901—1911 годах оценивает числом около 17000 человек.

    https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/graf_montecristo/post383232079/

    In Russia alone socialists, anarchists, and communists killed through terrorism around 17 000 people in just ten years 1901-1911. That’s not counting Europe and the US, where presidents, ministers, and kings were also prime target of leftist terror, and also every normal civil servant or businessman.

    Also nationalist terror where applicable, not just leftist terror.

    And let’s not forget, the socialists and anarchists continued their terrorism even after 1917, turning on the Bolsheviks. Lenin was shot by Socialist Jewess Kaplan for being the wrong sort of leftist.

    It took Stalin decades to root them out. He himself no doubt survived various plots from socialists and anarchists, but records are not open on this matter.

    More: https://aftershock.news/?q=node/370749&full

    According to some historians, political terrorism was invented by Jews during the Roman occupation: https://litbook.ru/article/13282/

    Bottom line: today’s leftists evolved from terrorists who were no less fanatical or cruel than the Islamist terrorists of the contemporary world. The Antifa shenanigans in 2020 USA is a very gentle reminder of what leftists were like before the learned to infiltrate institutions instead. The socialist, communist, or anarchist of 1890, or 1900, or 1920, or 1930, would gladly blow up 500 in a church just to possibly get one specific person on a target list, in order to make the world a better place.

    Even H.G. Wells has a short story about a young radical trying to wipe out England through a biological attack: https://americanliterature.com/author/hg-wells/short-story/the-stolen-bacillus

  84. Z-man says:
    @God's Fool

    What we have here is a Judaic dominated oligarchy.

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  85. geokat62 says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    You first write:

    There’s not much splintering since far-right parties that don’t moderate their image for public appeal are very quickly replaced by the right-wing populists.

    Then later write:

    Furthermore, when the BNP knew it was in competition with UKIP for anti-immigration voters it tried to moderate its image.

    You first write:

    There was really very little difference between 2010s UKIP (under Farage) and BNP in its policy on immigration – both wanted to see massive reductions in net-migration…

    Then later write:

    So I don’t buy conspiracy theories there were “Zionists” or another imaginary group who created the rise of UKIP when the BNP knew themselves they had to moderate their image or face electoral annihilation.

    Nick Griffin has always been an idiot who has clung to conspiracy theories.

    Are you alleging Nick Griffin lied when he claimed he was approached by a Zionist neocon clique to moderate their message to the British people?

    The EDL never took away BNP voters like UKIP did (something Farage has admitted on multiple occasions)

    One right-wing party took away voters from another right-wing party? Sounds like splintering to me. By the way, the EDL withdrew their support from BNP and backed yet another right-wing party, the British Freedom Party.

    I should point out even a hardliner and self-admitted neo-Nazi like Collett knows this:

    I checked your reference and it indeed attributes the quote to Collett, but it does so after posting this incredulous headline

    Mark Collett, formerly of the BNP, favours Civic Nationalism

    Does any rational Brit really believe this?

    [Israel is] not an ethno-state. That’s one of the many lies used by the far-right.

    Lies? Listen, do me a favour… why don’t you just for kicks try immigrating to the Jewish state? Now, when they ask you to provide your DNA results, try not to say anything bad in the media about their immigration policies being neo-Nazi or neo-fascist. They may not react well.

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  86. @Z-man

    And that’s the crux of the problem!

  87. @geokat62

    The BNP moderated its racist image in the early 2010s to compete against UKIP –

    – They dropped their extreme ‘indigenous-British-only’ membership policy (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8514736.stm)
    – They no longer wanted an “all white UK” (in fact, Nick Griffin first made this claim in July 2009: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8146585.stm).
    – They stood an Uruguayan immigrant candidate in the 2012 mayoral election.
    – Their leaflets and political broadcasts were much more moderate compared to 2000s.

    Nick Griffin decided to do all this – knowing he was in competition with UKIP who had become (under Farage’s leadership) more radical, populist and began to talk tough on immigration. By 2011, UKIP was widely seen as a “polite alternative” to the BNP for anti-immigration voters:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-attracts-anti-immigrant-vote-as-polite-alternative-to-bnp-2268617.html

    The years 2011-2012 saw the BNP compete against UKIP for the anti-immigration vote – the BNP by 2013 were badly beaten; Farage has boasted about destroying the BNP and taking a large amount of their voters:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-says-he-proud-have-secured-former-bnp-supporters-9227478.html

    There’s simply no need to cling to irrational conspiracy theories involving “Zionists” why the BNP were destroyed since Nick Griffin himself in the early 2010s moderated the party. Ironically, the same thing UKIP did to the BNP happened to them in 2019. UKIP were replaced with the Brexit Party. Farage quit UKIP in 2018 after the party began associating with Tommy Robinson; UKIP had became openly Islamophobic under the leadership of Gerrard Batten and Richard Braine (2018-2019).

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gerard-batten-ukip-mohamed-paedophile-tommy-robinson-protests-muslims-a8447741.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/12/new-ukip-leader-condemned-for-virulent-islamophobia

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  88. geokat62 says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    The years 2011-2012 saw the BNP compete against UKIP for the anti-immigration vote…

    Looks like you’re affirming my thesis: multiple civic-nationalist parties were formed to take votes away from the only legitimate ethno-nationalist party of the day. This phenomenon is widespread in Europe.

    Jewish Supremacist Organizations will never allow any ethno-nationalist party to succeed following the electoral path, period.

    They’re, consequently, leaving the indigenous populations very few options.

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  89. @geokat62

    As I already explained the ‘right-wing populist’ parties that quickly emerged and had an electoral breakthrough in the 2010s like UKIP did (under Farage) never split the vote since they took the vast majority of votes away from the traditional ethnic-nationalist and neo-Nazi parties. Alternative for Germany for example got 5,317,499 votes (12%) in 2017 compared to the NDP’s 45,169 (0.1%). If you look at UKIP in the early 2010s when they were competing against the BNP for anti-immigration voters (I’ll also show the results of far-right micro parties like the National Front), here’s what happened:

    [2012 local elections; sources: Ford & Goodwin, 2014 and Goodwin, 2014]

    UKIP 218,671 votes
    BNP 25,904
    NF 9,091
    DF 1,134
    BF 308
    BPP 257

    NF = National Front (neo-Nazis)
    DF = Democratic Nationalists (BNP-splinter group / ethno-nationalist)
    BF = British Freedom Party (EDL / anti-Islam)
    BPP = British People’s Party (neo-Nazis)

    A pretty interesting academic paper that touches upon what I’ve said is Matthew Goodwin (2014). “Forever a False Dawn? Explaining the Electoral Collapse of the British National Party (BNP)”. Parliamentary Affairs. 67. pp. 887–906

    Jewish Supremacist Organizations will never allow any ethno-nationalist party to succeed following the electoral path, period.

    The traditional far-right / ethnic nationalist parties fail because they’re not palatable to voters. There’s no need to come up with any other explanation which denies the obvious.

    ‘Right wing populism’ is a recent (2010s) thing. It was never around in the 2000s, 1990s and earlier. If your odd conspiracy theory is correct, how then do you explain the fact the National Front in UK have done so poor at the ballot box since the 1960s? At their height in the late 1970s they never even won a local council seat and polled no higher than 0.6% in a general election (compared to the BNP’s 1.9%). They had no ‘right-wing populist’ or ‘civic nationalist’ competitor for decades yet have always done terrible in elections. The most straightforward answer is voters aren’t attracted to parties with a fascist or football-hooligan/thug image. Early 2010s UKIP and BNP policies on immigration and EU were very similar so it’s less to do with ideological/policy difference but the image of the party.

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  90. geokat62 says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    the ‘right-wing populist’ parties that quickly emerged and had an electoral breakthrough in the 2010s like UKIP did (under Farage) never split the vote since they took the vast majority of votes away from the traditional ethnic-nationalist and neo-Nazi parties.

    Isn’t “taking the vast majority away” just another form a splitting, but taking it to the limit?

    The traditional far-right / ethnic nationalist parties fail because they’re not palatable to voters. There’s no need to come up with any other explanation which denies the obvious.

    They may not have been palatable to most voters in the past, especially when the distinction between civic-nationalism and ethno-nationalism was purposely blurred, but as most indigenous people are witnessing with their own eyes the lies Jewish Supremacist Organizations spouted about Diversity Being A Strength, they will be looking to the only solution to their demographic demise, the ethno-nationalists.

    ‘Right wing populism’ is a recent (2010s) thing. It was never around in the 2000s, 1990s and earlier.

    Exactly the point I’ve just made.

    If your odd conspiracy theory is correct…

    It isn’t a conspiracy theory and it IS correct.

    Oh, and to please their masters, the Greek court just handed down long prison sentences to the leaders of Golden Dawn:

    Nikos Michaloliakos: 13 years
    Ilias Kasidiaris: 13 years
    Ioannis Lagos: 13 years
    Ilias Panagiotaros: 13 years
    Artemis Mattheopoulos: 10 years
    Giorgos Germenis: 13 years
    Christos Pappas: 13 years

    Message sent, loud and clear!

  91. geokat62 says:

    As this note from Europa Terra Nostra illustrates, the key distinction is between faux populist parties, better known as “civnats,” and the real McCoy, the ethno-nationalist parties:

    The populist parties, who don’t pose any real threat to the power that be, still have some traction but are getting more and more liberalised and impotent in a try to gain approval from the anti-European establishment. The nationalist parties, on the other hand, are now facing repression because they know that they can never win against us with arguments.

    So, we have to be ready for a future with an even more repressive establishment and make sure to get organised while we still can. If you’re not a part of Europa Terra Nostra yet, there couldn’t be a better time than now.

    https://www.etnostra.com/

  92. The Jewish interest in making thought criminal is blatant. See: France, Germany, UK, Italy, USA, Canada and on and on. This news makes me want to be a Nationalist, but I will remain and Individualist, and just shake my head.

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  93. geokat62 says:
    @the grand wazoo

    This news makes me want to be a Nationalist, but I will remain an Individualist

    You’re in good company. “Radical Individualist,” Jordan Peterson, feels the same way…

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