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As a prominent Western journalist on Afghanistan and the rest of South Asia, Eric Margolis had long published a weekly foreign policy column in the Toronto Sun, one of Canada’s leading newspapers. When that tenure ended, he used his closing appearance to run this double-length piece in 2010 presenting his very strong doubts about the official 9/11 story, possibly the first and only time such views have ever appeared in any major North American media outlet.

NEW YORK – Ever since 9/11, readers keep asking me my views on these attacks. I have been barraged with emails until my head spins with engineering studies about melting steel, controlled explosions, claims about nefarious plots, and wreckage analysis.

One of the most colorful theories comes from Gen. Hamid Gul, former director of Pakistan’s intelligence agency, ISI. He insists that 9/11 was staged by Israel’s Mossad and a cabal of rightwing US Air Force generals.

I inspected the ruins of the New York’s Twin Towers, atop which I often dined, right after the attack. Downtown Manhattan was enveloped by a hideous, stinking miasma from the attack. I have never smelled anything so awful. It took me days to scrub the foul odor off my body. As a native New Yorker, I was shaken to the core by 9/11 – but hardly surprised, as I had predicted a major attack on the US nine days earlier.

While visiting the Pentagon to consult on the Mideast, I also inspected its outside wall hit by the third hijacked aircraft.

I saw photos of the impact site and could not understand what had happened to all the aircraft wreckage. There was almost none.

In 1993, I was hijacked over Germany on a Lufthansa flight bound for Cairo. The Ethiopian hijacker took us all the way back to New York City. The hijacker was threatening to crash our A310 jumbo jet into Wall Street.

Our flight was shadowed by US F-15 fighters that had orders to shoot, if necessary. Where, then, was US air defense on 11 Sept. 2001?

A day after 9/11, I was asked on CNN if Osama bin Laden was behind the attack. `We have yet to see the evidence,’ I replied. I maintain this position today.

Bin Laden denied he or al-Qaida was behind 9/11 and the death’s of nearly 3,000 people. The plot was hatched in Hamburg, Germany and Madrid, Spain, not in Afghanistan. A Pakistani, Khaled Sheik Mohammed, claimed he was the mastermind – after being tortured by near-drowning 183 times by the CIA.

While denying involvement, Osama bin Laden did say he believed the attack on New York was in part motivated by Israel’s destruction of downtown Beirut during its 1982 invasion of Lebanon that inflicted some 18,000 civilian deaths.

Tapes that appeared to confirm bin Laden’s guilt were clumsy fakes. They were supposedly “found” in Afghanistan by the anti-Taliban Afghan Northern Alliance, which was created and funded by Russian intelligence.

I had met Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and told CNN viewers that he was not the man in the tapes.

After 9/11, Secretary of State Colin Powell promised Americans the State Department would issue a White Paper detailing bin Laden’s guilt. Afghanistan’s Taliban government asked for this document before it would extradite bin Laden, as the US was demanding. The White Paper was never produced, and the US ignored proper legal procedure and invaded Afghanistan. We still wait for evidence.

I remain uncertain that Osama bin Laden was really behind the attacks. Much circumstantial evidence points to him and al-Qaida, but conclusive proof still lacks. One thing is certain: the attacks were planned and mounted from Germany, not Afghanistan. Of the 19 hijackers, 15 were Saudis, two from the United Arab Emirates, one an Egyptian and a Lebanese.

By the way, I’ve said ever since 9/11 that the danger and size of al-Qaida has been vastly exaggerated – as an explosive report this week by the London’s esteemed International Institute for Strategic Studies has just confirmed. Al-Qaida, dedicated to fighting the Afghan Communists, never had more than 300 members at its peak.

Today, according to CIA chief Leon Panetta, there are no more than 50 al-Qaida men in Afghanistan. Yet President Barack Obama has tripled the number of US troops in Afghanistan to 120,000 because of what to calls the al-Qaida threat. What is going on?

Many people abroad believe al-Qaida is an American invention used to justify foreign military operations. I do not share this view. Osama bin Laden was never a US agent, though his group indirectly received funds from CIA to fight the Communists.

Back to 9/11. I still cannot understand how amateur pilots could manage to maneuver in low to hit the World Trade Center and Pentagon. As a Pakistani intelligence agent told me, “if they were really amateur Arab pilots, they would have crashed into one another, not the World Trade Center!”

The arrest of Israeli “movers” filming the attack and dancing with joy, and the subsequent arrest of groups of Israeli “students” supposedly tracking the would-be hijackers remains a deep mystery. So does the immobilization of US air defenses.

The US 9/11 Commission was a whitewash, as are all such government commissions. They are designed to obscure, not reveal, the truth.

A 2006, a Scripps Howard/Washington Post poll found that 36% of the 1,000 Americans sampled believed the US government was behind 9/11. Many Americans still do not believe the official version of 9/11.

Neither do many Europeans. The entire Muslim world believes 9/11 was the work of Israel and far right American neocons, led by Dick Cheney.

If the official story about 9/11 is true, the attacks caught the Bush administration asleep on guard duty. Bush’s incompetent national security advisor, Condoleeza Rice, brushed off serious warnings of the impending attack and actually cut spending on anti-terrorism just before 9/11.

The White House and media were quick to blame Muslims who hated America’s lifestyle and values, launching the concept of “Islamic terrorism” – i.e. that the Muslim faith, not political issues, prompted the attacks.

This dangerous canard has infected America, leading to a rising tide of Islamophobia. This week’s continued uproar over a Muslim community center in downtown New York, and a Florida preacher’s threat to burn Korans, are the latest doleful example of cultivated religious hatred.

ORDER IT NOW

The suicide team that attacked New York and Washington made clear its aim was: a. to punish the US for backing Israel’s repression of Palestinians; and b. what they called US “occupation” of Saudi Arabia. Though they were all Muslims, religion was not the motivating factor.

As the CIA’s former bin Laden expert Michael Scheuer rightly observed, the Muslim world was furious at the US for what it was doing in their region, not because of America’s values, liberties or religion.

These motives for the 9/11 attack have been largely obscured by the whipping up hysteria over “Islamic terrorism.” The planting of anthrax in New York, Florida and Washington soon after 9/11 was clearly designed to promote further anti-Muslim furor. The perpetrators of this red herring remain unknown. But the anthrax attack hastened passage of the semi-totalitarian Patriot Act that sharply limited the personal freedoms of Americans and imposed draconian new laws.

Faked bin Laden videos and audio tapes. Planted anthrax. An intact Koran implausibly found at ground zero. Evidence in a hijacker’s bag that had somehow failed to make his ill-fated flight. Immediate claims that al-Qaida was behind the attacks. Those amateur kamikaze pilots and collapsing towers.

Perhaps most damning, tapes taken in London of meetings between President George Bush and PM Tony Blair revealed a sinister proposal by the US president to provoke war with Iraq by painting US aircraft in UN colors, then buzzing Iraqi air defenses until they fired on them, thus providing a “casus belli.” Bush also reportedly told Blair that after Iraq, he would “go on” to attack Saudi Arabia, Syria and Pakistan.

In 1939, Nazi Germany dressed up soldiers in Polish uniforms to provoke a border fire-fight to justify Berlin’s ensuing invasion of Poland. Bush’s plan was of the same ilk. A president who would contemplate such a criminal operation might go a lot further to achieve his imperial dreams.

As a veteran journalist, to me, all this smells to high heaven. There are just too many unanswered questions, too many suspicions, and that old Roman legal question, “cui bono” – “to whose benefit?”

On 28 February, 1933, fire, set by a Dutch Jew, ravaged the Germany’s parliament, the Reichstag. While the Reichstag’s ruins were still smoking, Adolf Hitler’s government declared a war against “terrorism.” A “Decree for the Protection of People and State” was promulgated suspending all legal protections of speech, assembly, property, and personal liberties. The Reichstag fire allowed the government to round up “terrorism” suspects without due process of law and made police powers near absolute.

Sound familiar? Here’s another startling coincidence. Two years before 9/11, a series of mysterious apartment building bombings in Russia killed over 200 people. “Islamic terrorists” from Chechnya were blamed.

Panic swept Russia and boosted former KGB agent Vladimir Putin into full power. Russian security agents of FSB were caught red-handed planting explosives in another building, but the story was hushed up. A former FSB agent, Alexander Litvinenko, who tried to reveal this story, was murdered in London by radioactive polonium.

Similarly, the Bush administration’s neocons shamelessly used 9/11 to promote the invasion of Iraq. Just before the attack, polls showed 80% of Americans erroneously believed Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11. Dr. Goebbels would have been proud.

So what, in the end, can we conclude? 1. We still do not know the real story about 9/11. 2. The official version is not credible. 3. 9/11 was used to justify invading strategic Afghanistan and oil-rich Iraq. 4. The attacks plunged America into wars against the Muslim world and enriched the US arms industry. 5. 9/11 boosted pro-Israel neoconservatives, formerly a fringe group, into power, and with them America’s totalitarian far right. 6. Bush’s unprovoked war against Iraq destroyed one of Israel’s two main enemies. 7. 9/11 put America in what may turn out to be a permanent state of war with the Muslim world – a key goal of the neoconservatives .

But I’ve seen no hard evidence to date that 9/11 was a plot by America’s far right or by Israel or a giant cover-up. Just, perhaps, the Mother of All Coincidences. In the end, it may just have been 19 angry Arabs and a bumbling Bush administration looking for someone else to blame.

(Republished from Sun Media by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: Classic, 9/11, Conspiracy Theories 
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  1. Mooser says:

    The collapse of the towers, the timing and manner of the collapse, is tremendously troubling, and has never been accounted for. I never thought Americans would accept that their skyscrapers would fall apart like that without very serious questions. But they did, with the help of the media.

    • Agree: Cking
  2. The media is so helpful!

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  3. Why so little talk about how America’s air defense (NORAD) was compromised on 911. No small feat, I think it safe to say that al Qeda could never have accomplished this.

    • Replies: @lee
    , @Cking
  4. Dan Hayes says:

    Many of the prescient questions posed by this 2010 essay still remain unanswered. And all the more reason to bring back its author full-time to The Unz Review (paging Editor-in-Chief Ron!)!

  5. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:

    Eric,

    Thank you for trying to be factual and neutral.

    My only narrow comment as a Professional Engineer familiar with the structure of the WTC Towers – “buildings don’t fall down like that”

    Hoya Saxa my friend

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  6. “Dutch Jew”

    Huh, where did this come from? It’s the first I’ve ever heard of Marinus van der Lubbe being purportedly Jewish. There’s no evidence that he was.

    Lubbe’s case underscores the problem with some conspiracy-scenarios. There was no question that Hitler had vowed to abolish the Weimar Republic and establish a one-man dictatorship with himself as Der Fuehrer. It was also clear that other people before Hitler such as Franz von Papen had prepared the legal terms for the Enabling Act with the intent of abolishing the Weimar Republic. Everything was set in place for an opportunity. But the setting of the Reichstag on fire really was just a one-man job. No National Socialists or Communists were involved. Lubbe did it himself and gave Hitler the opportunity which he had been on the watch for.

    This must then raise some questions about 911. It is clear that the incident was used to ram through things which had been planned for awhile. But the Reichstag fire incident underscores that this is not evidence in itself that everything was planned by either the Mossad or Pentagon or whoever. A lot can be accounted for as just a case of people with preset agendas jumping on an opportunity when it is there.

    • Thanks: RichardDuck
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Hubert
  7. But I’ve seen no hard evidence to date that 9/11 was a plot by America’s far right or by Israel or a giant cover-up. Just, perhaps, the Mother of All Coincidences. In the end, it may just have been 19 angry Arabs and a bumbling Bush administration looking for someone else to blame.

    The rest of this car-crash article was bad enough – questions raised but not answered, non-sequiturs galore, whole main critical related sub-topics not even mentioned – and multiple typos on top for good measure showing the level of proof-reading. But the final breath-taking idiocy quoted above is the last straw. I’m not even going to attempt to debate or answer trash of this magnitude, and I won’t be bothering to read any more articles by Eric Margolis.

    Is Ron Unz REALLY the only Jew in America who has both a working brain AND the skill and aptitude to write lucid, coherent English ?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @GeneralRipper
  8. Ron Unz says:
    @Dave Bowman

    The rest of this car-crash article was bad enough – questions raised but not answered, non-sequiturs galore, whole main critical related sub-topics not even mentioned…I’m not even going to attempt to debate or answer trash of this magnitude, and I won’t be bothering to read any more articles by Eric Margolis.

    I think you’re being much too hard on Margolis.

    From what I remember, the article you’re so bitterly complaining about ran in the Toronto Sun, one of Canada’s leading MSM newspaper outlets, roughly the local equivalent of the NYT or the WSJ, and was reprinted across the Sun Media syndicate. He’d been one of their longtime columnists, and when his column ended, he used his final appearance to get this important information into their publication.

    Obviously, getting something into the elite MSM is far more difficult than merely writing a post on some website somewhere, and necessarily involves much greater constraints. Have you ever seen anything like this article appear anywhere in an elite American newspaper?

  9. In 1993, I was hijacked over Germany on a Lufthansa flight bound for Cairo. The Ethiopian hijacker took us all the way back to New York City.

    still remember the name of the hijacker, nebiyu, but not the year. here are the coincidences if you care for deeper meaning.

    1993 – same year as the first attempt on the towers
    1993 – 8 years before 9/11. 8, enough said
    Nebiyu – in amharic literally means “the Prophet.” Demeqe, his last name, “Brilliance.” The brilliance of the Prophet Isaiah is known to all.
    Germany and Lufthansa – Hamburg plot
    detour from Egypt – “we have some planes… don’t make any stupid moves…”
    flying to NY – too obvious

    Dear Mr. Margolis, wish you could wright more often. 9/11 is Ethiopian new year’s day. happy New Year!

    https://ethiotewahido.blogspot.com/2020/08/behold-from-henceforth-all-generations.html

  10. @Anon

    My only narrow comment as a Professional Engineer familiar with the structure of the WTC Towers – “buildings don’t fall down like that”

    Well, not usually, no, but this was, in Margolis’s words, the Mother of All Coincidences. Well, he hedged. He said perhaps.

    Just, perhaps, the Mother of All Coincidences

  11. Weaver says:
    @Mooser

    I don’t think we accepted it exactly; it just became impossible to publicly question. With the Internet dominant, we can question. The attack wasn’t a big deal to me, but many were stunned by it. Stunned isn’t the right word, but that’ll have to do.

    It’s like questioning the Holocaust or Christ’s birth, too big. I still remember my thoughts: I didn’t know enough to question how the buildings fell. Others said it was impossible; I found that interesting, but I didn’t know.

    I was against all the wars at least.

    • Replies: @GeneralRipper
  12. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    Jews.

    Satan’s curse on Mankind.

    • Replies: @Weaver
    , @Deep Thought
  13. Weaver says:
    @Anon

    Look up what the Romans did to Carthage. A recent claim: they took from their libraries, destroyed the city, erased it, then created a new fake Carthage to further hide it, also seem to have created a fake Carthaginian language. The Romans destroyed Carthage utterly even if part of that isn’t true.

  14. 9/11: The Mother of All Coincidences”.

    Perhaps. President Franklin Roosevelt once said, “In politics nothing happens by accident. If it happens you can bet it was planned that way.” Hmmmm

  15. @Ron Unz

    A great one-two rubbish combo from Margolis, and then Unz. I used to read Margolis twenty-odd years ago because most hamburger chains in Canada gave away the Sun shit-rags for free, and the tabloid made for a mildly amusing five minutes while I drank my coffee on Sunday mornings.
    The notion of the Sun as the equivalent of the NYT or WSJ is beyond the pale of absurdity, so one, as usual, is left to ask whether Unz is wilfully or accidentally ignorant.
    With regard to Margolis, he still peddled a more or less mainstream view of 9/11 for at least the first few years afterward. I wrote to him once asking if he could take a stab at explaining the transformation of Hani Hanjour into el Kaydah’s Max Immelman.

    Typical of the shite concerning 9/11, Margolis falsely characterizes bin Laden, stating that he was not a “US agent”. He was, absolutely a US asset and he was involved in running both Moslem fighters and arms into the NATO destruction of Yugoslavia during the nineties.
    el Kaydah, as an entity bent on the destruction of Russian communists, never existed, and bin Laden’s relationhship to imperial intelligence and their post-Cold war World Circus of Chaos continued for at least ten years after the last Russian trundled off to Uzbekistan huffing diesel fumes.

    Margolis is certainly enigmatic. His mother was an Albanian OSS agent and his father was a Jewish lawyer involved in show-biz. Margolis the younger peddled snake-oil both figuratively with his “journalism”, and literally with his \$300-million Jamieson vitamins entity.

    He was the first writer that I ever read who wrote about the curious relationship of the CIA’s Edwin Wilson and Frank Terpil to Ghadaffi. Which leads to the funny relationship of the CIA and the rest of imperial intelligence to Ghadaffi and “terrists”. Mainstream sources still like to lie about the Green Berets who were in Libya, referring to them as “retired”, but superannuated World Terrorist Billy Waugh turned up in Afghanistn on active duty in the fall of 2001, twenty years or so after his work for the wicked Libyan dictator.

    What relationship Terpil and friends had to the destruction of the Pan Am plane over Lockerbie will likely never be known, but there’s little reasonable ground to accept the official ridiculous story of wicked Ghadaffi blowing up the airliner.

    Once one looks at the relationship of the CIA, MI6, etc. to folks like the IRA, then the links to Operation Gladio appear. Special Branch agents, were, according to at least one Italian Gladio operative, training with the various European Gladio monsters.

    Margolis’ fall-back routine is to go after the Reds, or, given their disappearance from the European picture thirty years, ago, the wicked Russians. No mention here by Margolis about one of the most apalling of all terrah episodes, that of the infanticide orgy in Beslan. That one just doesn’t get play on Margolis’ Golden Oldies review.

    The Chechen war shout-out makes no mention whatsoever of the wacky relationship of corpulent demon Richard Perle and friends to the Chechens, who went from a non-entity in the Soviet era to the forefront of radicalism via the usual Mohammeden pipeline operated by CIA and pals.

    And like a good boy, Margolis makes sure to mention the Litvininko fairy tale, but scarce is the analysis of the late great car salesman Berezovsky to the Chechen freedom-fighters.

    If anyone is interested in actually learning a few things about the kooky world of terrorism and it’s relationship to the Imperial project, I suggest abandoning effluent like this site, and learning some “facts”, or at least the relationship of purported facts to one another:
    http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

    • Agree: Mark Gobell
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  16. Ron Unz says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    The notion of the Sun as the equivalent of the NYT or WSJ is beyond the pale of absurdity, so one, as usual, is left to ask whether Unz is wilfully or accidentally ignorant.

    Actually, you might be right. I’m not too familiar with Canadian media, and I think I probably confused the Toronto Sun with the Toronto Star, Canada’s largest newspaper.

    https://www.agilitypr.com/resources/top-media-outlets/top-10-canadian-print-outlets/

    Still, the Sun seems to be Canada’s fourth largest newspaper, so certainly part of the MSM.

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
    , @Wokechoke
  17. GeneralRipper [AKA "The Griffins"] says:
    @Weaver

    It’s like questioning the Holocaust or Christ’s birth, too big.

    lol…Thanks for that one.

    Busted!

  18. Pancho says:

    Don’t miss this one just appeared: “9/11 and American Exceptionalism” at: https://newswithviews.com/9-11-and-american-exceptionalism/

  19. @Ron Unz

    Fascinating. You make a significantly inaccurate statement about something, and then say that I “might be right” when I point it out. And then you use the “moving the goal-posts logical fallacy”, pretending that the issue was whether or not the Sun is part of the MSM.

    Great source attribution. It seems that you didn’t even read the article to which you linked, as it ranks the Globe and Mail number one in Canada, and the Star second.

    The Star has frequently been referred to as the “Red Star” for it’s alleged left-wing bias, so Margolis was hardly going to be offered a platform for his red-baiting name-drops in that particular birdcage liner.

    Postmedia owns the Sun chain of tabloid fishwrap, and they also own most of the dailies that competed against the Sun at one time. They shrank the newsrooms to less than skeleton-strength and now the same stories are carried in all the Suns and all the other dailies owned by Postmedia.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  20. Trinity says:

    See that this article was written a long time ago. Perhaps the title would or should be changed now to:

    9/11: The Mother Of All COHENcidences.

    Not sure if COHENcidence was out there back in 2010. Been watching the (((tube))) all day and by boycotting these celebrations aka “memorials” all these years out of RESPECT for all the INNOCENT LIVES RUINED that day. I see (((the legacy media))) still hasn’t changed their tune. Same old song and dance. Fascinating how this TRAGEDY has a festive and PHONY feel set up by the dance masters. RIP to the victims of 9-11. Trump and Biden both CAMPAIGNING today in REALITY. SAD.

    (((Lucky Larry)))
    ((( 5 Dancing Shlomos)))

    Cue: The Break Up Song by Greg Kihn Band

  21. GeneralRipper [AKA "The Griffins"] says:
    @Dave Bowman

    Thank you, sir. Excellent comment.

    The American “far right”???

    Who are those guys? Are they like Franco or Pinochet or …GASP! Hitler?

    Can anyone name a “far right” (even populist) American politician who has had anything like the power the Uniparty (((Left))) now wields?

    The American “far right” consists of white working class people who would rather be left the fuck alone.

    Leftists lie as they breathe.

    • Agree: Alden
  22. Neither Unz nor Margolis bother to poke their noses into the relationship of the alleged hi-jackers to the US military/intelligence entity, and it’s moslem proxy forces that fought in Bosnia, Chechnya and Kosovo:

    [MORE]

    “1995: 9/11 Hijackers Alhazmi and Almihdhar Fight in Bosnia
    9/11 hijackers Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi fight in the Bosnian civil war against the Serbs. [US CONGRESS, 7/24/2003, PP. 131 pdf file] The 9/11 Commission will later say that the two “traveled together to fight in Bosnia in a group that journeyed to the Balkans in 1995,” but will not give any other details. [9/11 COMMISSION, 7/24/2004, PP. 155”
    http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a93alhazmialmihdharfight

    “Arms purchased by Iran and Turkey with the financial backing of Saudi Arabia made their way by night from the Middle East. Initially aircraft from Iran Air were used, but as the volume increased they were joined by a mysterious fleet of black C-130 Hercules aircraft. The report stresses that the US was “very closely involved” in the airlift. Mojahedin fighters were also flown in, but they were reserved as shock troops for especially hazardous operations.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/apr/22/warcrimes.comment

    At least some of the alleged hi-jackers were very definitely US assets.

    • Replies: @profnasty
  23. Ron Unz says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    You make a significantly inaccurate statement about something, and then say that I “might be right” when I point it out….Great source attribution. It seems that you didn’t even read the article to which you linked, as it ranks the Globe and Mail number one in Canada, and the Star second.

    Well, you certainly seem a quarrelsome fellow, and in this case, you seem to be the one who is mistaken. I stated that the Toronto Star was Canada’s largest newspaper, and according to the seemingly authoritative source I linked: “Toronto Star is Canada’s largest daily print newspaper, with the largest readership in the country.” Meanwhile, the Toronto Sun was ranked as Canada’s fourth most important newspaper.

    Being unfamiliar with Canada, I carelessly confused the Toronto Sun with the Toronto Star, but since you’re Canadian you obviously don’t have that excuse.

    But anyway, my substantive point still stands. Margolis’s candid and very provocative discussion of 9/11, rather supportive of “9/11 conspiracy theories,” appeared in one of Canada’s largest and most influential newspapers. Can you or anyone else find a similar example of an article along such lines appearing in any major American newspaper, or any other Canadian newspaper for that matter?

  24. Like most people who care to research, I’ve stumbled across dozens of facts that don’t fit the official story. Here is one from my blog:

    Jul 1, 2017 – Another 9-11 Error

    The standard tactic to dismiss anyone who questions the official 9-11 story is to demand answers: “Okay, you tell me what happened that day!” Of course lowly citizens have no idea since they are not briefed on ultra-secret operations. But anyone can perform simple Internet research when issues arise.

    For example, reliable sources agree that the maximum speed a B-767-200 commercial airliner can reach at 700 feet above sea level is 360 knots. It can fly faster at high altitudes where the air is one-third as dense. It can fly faster in a steep dive if crashing. But when flying level at 700 feet, 360 knots is the fastest it can fly with installed engine power because of drag limitations. The aircraft that hit the second tower on 9-11 flew in level at 510 knots, as noted in official reports based on radar tracking. https://web.archive.org/web/20071219230238/http://911myths.com/images/c/c1/Radar_Data_Impact_Speed_Study--AA11,_UA175.pdf

    [MORE]

    This proves that a B-767 did not hit the second tower! There are many articles and youtube videos that detail this, (the links have since disappeared)

    including some by airline pilots, and experts such as this retired NASA expert:

    “Based on analysis of radar data, the National Transportation and Safety Board reported the groundspeed just before impact as 510 knots. This is well beyond the maximum operating velocity of 360 knots, and maximum dive velocity of 410 knots.”

    (the link has since disappeared)

    I read comments at websites and watched youtube to see what CIA funded floggers say to debunk this fact. Some claim the B-767 can fly faster but is safety restricted to protect the airframe, known as “never to exceed speed.” This is true, but that precaution is to warn of potential damage in cases where a steep high-speed dive may be performed. This is not a problem at level flight because B-767 engines cannot push the aircraft near that limit. Pilots sometimes fly their aircraft at full throttle so they know how fast it can fly. Commercial aircraft are designed with efficiency in mind. They do not have extra big engines to produce extra power that it will never use.

    If you google “767 maximum speed sea level” this odd unsigned webpage linked to a dead website appears first. (link has since disappeared) It is full of lies, yet appears first in the world’s most used search engine, provided by a CIA affiliated corporation–Google. The rambling explanation states that a B-767 can perform the high-speed maneuvers as radar showed on 9-11 and falsely claims that pilots agree, with no mention that it lacks of engine power to reach 510 knots, .

    Since this airspeed issue is impossible to explain (unless it was a B-767 modified with different engines) protectors of the 9-11 fable resort to personally attacking those who raise this issue, or diverting the discussion to other topics. Why would the plotters make this mistake? First, in any operation there are hundreds of elements to consider. They may have confirmed that a B-767 can fly that fast, overlooking the required altitude of 35,000 feet.
    ______________________

    Note that thousands who saw aircraft hit the towers did not. Very, very few people happened to be looking way up at the top of the towers that moment and the speed of the aircraft means the noise from its engines would reach them when the explosion occurred. And an aircraft at that speed would be a blur from below. They heard an explosion, looked up, and saw one had occurred. They watched TV an hour later and saw images of aircraft hitting the towers, so merged that into their memory.

    The video evidence is easily debunked, but that’s another story best remembered by images of Wile E. Coyote.

    • Replies: @R.
    , @GMC
    , @MGB
  25. @Mooser

    I am in trouble –call 911–needed something catchy so this operation would be imprinted into the herd’s mind –just like today with unvaccinated getting Covid but thinking a miracle will arrive—

  26. @Ron Unz

    Canada has TRUE democracy-not the fake brand bandied around DC with a cabal operating a TV con man and the other in Attends. Follow Canada –election called 2 years early so the populace will be happy –with the DEBT. See—in Canada DEBT is beautiful —–the more the merrier and Canada likewise has room for dissatisfied Americans –Black being preferrable for relocation in Toronto–guns included. Debt and Dope and Dummies —-a perfect combo for societal integration—911 -phone if in distress…..

  27. R. says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    “maximum dive speed” isn’t maximum dive speed, it’s just the maximum safe speed for which the plane is certified. Obviously, planes aren’t constructed in a way that if you exceed that speed it falls apart immediately, but there’s possibly stress damage.

    A long shallow dive on full throttle is just the way to work up a very high speed.

    510 Vs 460 isn’t va big difference.

  28. saggy says: • Website

    One thing is certain: the attacks were planned and mounted from Germany, not Afghanistan.

    It is extraordinary that a journalist can write this without a presenting a shred of evidence. What in hell is the evidence for this?

    Tapes that appeared to confirm bin Laden’s guilt were clumsy fakes

    This is pure BS. You can see the vid here …


    and read about it here …. https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=80327&page=1 The article ids three people in the vid, Bin Laden’s doctor, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, Senior al Qaeda spokesman Abu Ghaith. and a Saudi sheik named al Ghamdi. If Margolis wants to claim it’s a fake he needs to do a detailed analysis. From the article …

    The Saudi ambassador to the United States said the tape displayed”the cruel and inhuman face of a murderous criminal” while UnitedArab Emirates Information Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zaidal-Nahayan said it “confirms [bin Laden’s role] in a way thatleaves no room for doubt.”

  29. The apartment bombings weren’t what precipitated the Second Chechen War, though Chechen terrorists were blamed for it. It was the invasion of Daghestan by the Chechens. Ten seconds of research would have told the author of this article that.

    As for Litvinenko, the tale of a defector who was up to his ears involved with the Mafia is very credible, right?

  30. profnasty says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    Hijackers? Paper airplanes?
    No plane to be seen in Pennsylvania.
    No plane at Pentagon. (Planes don’t make uni-holes.)
    First plane (at Gelatin location) obvious cheap CGI.
    Second plane; almost certainly pre-planned video.
    News vid from helicopter shows NO plane. Newslady declares ‘explosion’.
    Even evidence of ANY hijackings is sketchy.
    Only a Communist dictatorship could demand adherence to such a flimsy story.
    Story.

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  31. Ghali says:

    “9/11 was staged by Israel’s Mossad and a cabal of rightwing US Air Force generals”. Only naive and illiterate people believe the official Zionist story.

  32. Half Back says:

    For a person who is supposed to be informed I see some glaring mistakes.
    The Russian one about polonium from… The Muslim view of Israel and traitorous government official’s including elected ones are the real story…. no doubt what-so-ever.

  33. On 28 February, 1933, fire, set by a Dutch Jew, ravaged the Germany’s parliament, the Reichstag.

    That is news to me. A Dutch Jew? Do you mean Marinus van der Lubbe? Really? Did he really set fire to the Reichstag? Wasn’t it the nazis themselves that did it?

  34. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:

    Hard enough to read anything using a mirror, let alone when there are so many of them. It’s enough to make one’s head spin and then there’s all that smoke, so much smoke, enough to make one choke. This article made my eyes water or just maybe those were actually real tears.

    Yes Virginia, some people really are that disgusting.

    • Agree: Carolyn Yeager
  35. lee says:
    @grand wazoo

    GW said:

    Why so little talk about how America’s air defense (NORAD) was compromised on 911. No small feat, I think it safe to say that al Qeda could never have accomplished this.

    NORAD wasn’t compromised——–in 2001 there were only 14 aircraft on alert to cover the whole of the US.

    At the time NORAD was concentrating on threats coming from outside the country—not commercial airliners being high jacked and slammed into buildings inside the country.The high jackers cleverly turned off the airliners inflight ID systems so to AT control they all simply vanished creating even more confusion.

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  36. onebornfree says: • Website

    “But I’ve seen no hard evidence to date that 9/11 was a plot by America’s far right or by Israel or a giant cover-up. Just, perhaps, the Mother of All Coincidences. In the end, it may just have been 19 angry Arabs and a bumbling Bush administration looking for someone else to blame”

    You’re joking, right?

    It’s just “The mother of all coincidences”?

    You’ve got to be frickin’ kidding me. 😂😂😆😆

    Here are 3 simple, but admittedly hard to swallow, 9/11 facts that 20 years later, most people, including the atypical 9/11 “truther”, (and even including prominent 9/11 researchers such as Fetzer, Corbett, A.Jones, Icke, J.Wood, Kalezov at al), are all in complete denial of:

    1) 100% Fake Plane Crash Imagery:

    Fact 1: _All_ of the published video sequences and photos depicting the alleged collision of Fl. 175 with WTC2 , including all 5 of the original US MSM “live broadcast” sequences, are 100% digital fakes , ie. 100% prefabricated computer manufactured( CGI ) imagery.

    See:
    https://www.septemberclues.info/wtc_airplanes.shtml

    2) 100% Fake Tower Collapse Imagery:

    Fact 2: _All_ of the published video sequences and photos depicting the collapses of WTC2 , WTC1 , and WTC7, including all of the original US MSM “live broadcast” sequences showing those alleged events that morning, are also 100% fake , prefabricated computer manufactured( CGI ) “tower collapse” imagery.
    See:
    https://www.septemberclues.info/wtc_collapses.shtml

    3) 100% Faked Victim Imagery:

    Last (but not least), Fact 3: _All_ of the on-line 9/11 memorial victim list photos of the alleged 3000- odd 9/11 victims are very poorly made fake images created out of thin air via Photoshop or similar software and appear to be of entirely fictional characters that never even existed in real life.

    See: https://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims_photo-analyses.shtml

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Thanks: GMC
  37. The piece de resistance of ‘coincidence theories’ was,. for me, to be found in the sadly missed Rigorous Intuition blog. Called ‘A coincidence believer’s guide to 9/11’ or some such, it listed so many facts about the attack that confounded the Official Version, that it was, in the end, highly amusing. But, now, in the era of CoViD 19 lying, such concerted mendacity seems almost innocent, as if the liars then still suffered some pangs of conscience. Today the BigPharma thugs, their hideous trolls and their stooges in the various Western Medical Mafias make the SS look like children.

  38. GMC says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Good research C M. Another thing to remember is – people that are moving around in the big cities – are NOT looking up at the top of all those skyscrapers – they are looking where they are going – period. So the thousands that saw the planes hit the building, would have seen the tail section falling down the side of the buildings – For Sure – but did anybody claim to see any parts of these huge aircraft falling down to the ground? Did anyone die from these parts sailing around the Twin Towers area ? Because certainly there would have been some casualties. Thanks.

  39. @Anon

    Jews.

    Satan’s curse on Mankind.

    Jews are only occasionally involved. They are mostly non-Jewish whites:

    “US diplomats are trained to rely on a combination of cold, hard, strategic calculations and ruthless deal-making. While all nations have elements of realism in their geopolitical calculus, few can bring themselves to abandon morality and ethics on the scale that the US does. While other nations may be guided at least partially by human values – say, whether their decisions will lead to civilian deaths – US leaders are unconcerned by such trivialities. US bureaucrats are determined to get the job done and serve US hegemony – no matter the number of murdered children or destroyed cities they leave in their wake.”

    “In essence, the foreign policy of the US regime – and indeed, that of most western regimes from Britain to Nazi Germany – is merely a reflection of western values: institutionalized racism, a willingness to commit military aggression and even genocide to achieve goals, an unbridled nihilism disguised as vacuous optimism, a constant mistrust of others, an inability to appreciate differences, and a civilizational affinity for hypocrisy and deception”

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/533574-us-india-allies-against-china/

  40. Ron Unz’s account remains the most plausible. Only one country benefited from the 9/11 attacks.

    • Agree: JimDandy
  41. “Bush also reportedly told Blair that after Iraq, he would “go on” to attack Saudi Arabia, Syria and Pakistan.”

    I don’t believe Dubya said it because he was close to that Prince Bandar, who was the Saudi ambassador to the US but if did say it and would have acted on that threat, I do believe he would have been the greatest Christian hero since Richard the Lion heart!

    • LOL: Rufus Clyde
  42. _dude says:

    The second to last paragraph is at least reasonable. The article probably should have ended there as a call for readers to do their own further study and investigation.

    The final paragraph is absolutely preposterous and offensive. To suppose in 2010, after 9 years of extensive public scrutiny into innumerable inconsistencies (easily accessible on the maturing interwebs), that 911 was possibly a mere coincidence lacking any cover-up is astonishing.

    And the very last sentence is the pièce de résistance, a purulent, fetid glob of stuporous ignorance. I could care less how brave it was to print such an article in a mainstream newspaper. On the whole, I have to judge it as an absolute abomination.

    • Agree: dimples
    • Replies: @follyofwar
  43. Realist says:
    @Mooser

    I never thought Americans would accept that their skyscrapers would fall apart like that without very serious questions.

    The same goes for the Kennedy assassinations well as many other events.

  44. anon[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mooser

    Mooser.

    Could it be the mooser from Seattle and mondoweiss

  45. After 9/11, Secretary of State Colin Powell promised Americans the State Department would issue a White Paper detailing bin Laden’s guilt. Afghanistan’s Taliban government asked for this document before it would extradite bin Laden, as the US was demanding. The White Paper was never produced, and the US ignored proper legal procedure and invaded Afghanistan. We still wait for evidence.

    The hunt for the “evidence dossier” that was used by then NATO Sec Gen, George Robertson to invoke Article 5 of the Washington Treaty – collective defence – an attack on one member is an attack on all members, will prove equally elusive …
    https://www.nato.int/docu/speech/2001/s011004b.htm
    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm

    Event though the alleged attackers were non state actors …

    I sent many FOIAs to the US State Department, DoD, the UK Foreign Office & MOD and NATO requesting a copy of the dossier used by Francis. X. ( Frank ) Taylor, the US Ambassador at Large and Co-ordinator for Counter-terrorism to pursuade NATO of OBL & Al Q’s guilt for the 9/11 event – all to no avail …

    https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2001/1001/e1002a.htm

    MG

  46. You can argue about the details, but anyone who does not admit 9/11 was an inside job should be regarded as either dangerously ignorant or a traitor.

  47. @Hans Vogel

    They knew Van der Lubbe was going to do it and let him do it without any attempt to stop him, because Hitler needed a casus belli to install his own security state.

    Rather like, oh, say, certain people knowing that a bunch of terrorists were about to hijack some planes to use in a kamikaze attack, and making sure nobody interfered to stop or from happening so that there was a casus belli for a long planned mass war attacking multiple nations. Just a hypothetical and fictional example.

    • Disagree: Carolyn Yeager
    • Replies: @Republic
  48. Wokechoke says:
    @Patrick McNally

    Twenty people were in on the plot. At least. That’s a hard secret to keep.

  49. Cking says:
    @grand wazoo

    The summation above is disappointing. It’s possible the planes at the WTC were optical illusions created by sophisticated video simulation able to use the sky as back drop. In that case NORAD would provide no defense, since it could not possibly have noticed this phenomenon, on their ‘radar’. From the circumstantial evidence, the resulting ‘collapse’ of 2 of the 3 buildings, dusted almost all of lower Manhattan with powder resulting from the pulverized, disintegrated, tons of concrete, and fireman witnessing molten steel oozing from the wreckage. ( Dustification, per Dr. Judy Wood) From that point on, the official narrative ignored the circumstantial evidence. ‘it was an inside job’ is another false flag, dark alley, that cannot possibly solve this crime.’ Who benefited? indeed.

  50. In 1939, Nazi Germany dressed up soldiers in Polish uniforms to provoke a border fire-fight to justify Berlin’s ensuing invasion of Poland? A non sens. The author should revise his history and read Daving Irving’s book. The most upright historian.

    • Thanks: Carolyn Yeager
    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  51. @Deep Thought

    Jews are only occasionally involved

    What part of

    “Every part of incompetent domestic economic policy, deranged immigration policy, insanely aggressive American foreign policy and deeply dangerous deep-state security policy which spies on and targets its own loyal White people is designed, dictated, controlled and enforced by Zionist neo-con JEWS from the Pentagram to the White House”

    don’t you understand ?

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  52. @Ron Unz

    In fact, Yes, I can understand how it looks from that point of view.

    Being a Brit, I wasn’t aware of most of your information – and unfortunately when I read Margolis’s article for the first time I completely missed that the publication date was 11 whole years ago – therefore very little of the detailed forensic or factual information we have access to today was fully clear to any researcher or journalist at that time.

    On a full re-read I still think the overall structure of the article looks very loose and badly-rushed – and very much on the short side considering the depth and importance of the topic – and in my view his conclusion is absolutely wrong on every level. But my comments were far too strident and impulsive. I apologise.

    • Replies: @Ace
  53. @_dude

    The last sentence negates the rest of Margolis’ otherwise incisive article. I found it hard to believe that it was Margolis’ decision to end it in such a curious, disappointing way. It seems likely that the editors demanded that final sentence or they wouldn’t publish his article. Don’t editors always have the final say?

  54. Che Guava says:

    atop which I often dined, right after the attack

    That is a very amusing example of careless writing.

  55. Wokechoke says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, do you remember Colin Powell and the Israeli delegation storming out the Durban SA, UN anti racism conference? Happened in the first few days of September 2001. 6/11 or 4/11 if memory serves. Would love to see this given proper treatment in connection with the sigh of release from Likud and Bush about having to respect the basic National rights of the Palestinians. What a convenient get out of jail card that attack was for a beleaguered US Israeli alliance at the time. I suspect the green light was given after Powell’s theatrics.

  56. MGB says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    The standard tactic to dismiss anyone who questions the official 9-11 story is to demand answers: “Okay, you tell me what happened that day!” Of course lowly citizens have no idea since they are not briefed on ultra-secret operations.

    An important point. It is always easier to prove what didn’t happen. I am certain LHO did not shoot JFK based on the publicly available evidence. Can any amateur citizen sleuth prove that it was Frank Sturgis or Woody Harrleson’s dad? Of course not. It is piss poor logic to insist that things must have happened the way propagandists say because you don’t have access to the evidence to prove what really happened.

    • Thanks: Rufus Clyde
  57. @Dave Bowman

    I DO understand! Not that long ago, the whites blamed everything on the “Chinaman” too and then committed massacres against the latter– for committing no greater “crime” than out-competing the whites in coolie work. Today, they are blaming the “Chinaman” again– for out-performing them in high-speed train, 5-G communication, etc.

    You still don’t seem to understand. Even when Jews are involved, it is “enforced by Zionist neo-con JEWS from the Pentagram to the ‘White House’” (your own word)– NOT from the ‘Jew House’!!! Therefore, even when the whites are victims, it is the whites who mastermind, and are responsible for, it.

    • Replies: @Ace
  58. MGB says:

    An example of ‘what didn’t happen’. I have spoken to a few retired commercial pilots, conservative ex-military types, and there is no way that someone trained a few hours in a flight simulator and Cessna could perform anything like the maneuvers that were accomplished, crashing an airliner into the Pentagon flying perfectly parallel to ground. Was it a missile, etc.? We will never know. But it wasn’t some half an amateur pilot.

  59. Agent76 says:

    September 10, 2021 The Bin Ladens and the Bushes: On 9/11 George Herbert W. Bush Meets Osama’s Brother Shafiq bin Laden

    Lest we forget, one day before the 9/11 attacks [as well as on the morning of 9/11, the dad of the sitting President of the United States of America, George Herbert Walker Bush was meeting none other than Shafiq bin Laden, the brother of the alleged terror mastermind Osama bin Laden.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-bin-ladens-the-bushes-and-911-a-former-us-president-meets-osamas-brother-not-subject-to-anti-terrorism-legislation/5582436

    Sep 10, 2021 Reflecting on 9/11 by Bring Our Troops Home

  60. Trinity says:
    @Mooser

    White Americans have “accepted” a lot of things over the years.

    Integrating the “skoos” with “yufes” that would go on and DESTROY public schools in America

    Allow a small group of Jews to dictate DESTRUCTIVE foreign as well as domestic policies. Now it is OBVIOUS to EVERYONE who is not WILLFULLY IGNORANT, OR ON THE TAKE, that Israel/Jews have completely taken over America and riding Her hard before turning it into a wasteland. And numerous white traitor trash goons like Honest Joe and Slick Willie are cheering on the demise of Traditional America aka White America.

    Send billions of tax payer dollars to nations that absolutely HATE US. Israel of course at the top of the list of these nations on the gubmint dole. Yep, we are actually paying Israel to build their empire while they destroy what is left of ours. Nice.

    Send off thousands of their sons and daughters to be sacrificed for muh Greater Israel with chants of USA-USA-USA. Fox News covers the 5 Dancing Shlomos for a New York minute and America ignores it before it is quickly dropped in the waste basket. Trump reminds White Trumptards that he is helping Black, Brown, Yeller unemployment numbers and that he has moved the embassy to Israel. USA-USA-USA. Cue: hurling noises.

    Pappy Bush sits on his hands as Blacks and a few Browns run amok in Los Angeles attacking random Whites and Yellers, pummeling them in the streets. The most notable victim was Reginald Denny, a innocent White truck driver who happens upon the protests for “social justice.” Denny is beaten into submission and cucks hard by actually doing the “Christian” thing and forgives the “yufes” who nearly beat him to death by bashing his head in with a brick. Hmm, my guess it those “yufes” didn’t lose a wink of sleep about the welfare of Reggie Denny.

    OJ Simpson Verdict. Blacks cheer outside courthouse. Nuff said.

    USS Liberty, Lavon Affair, Pollard, JFK, etc., etc., etc., STOLEN ELECTION(s), etc., etc., CRT, etc., (((COVID))), man BIG PHARMA is making some dough, etc., etc., monuments of White dudes being torn down, nonwhites being ILLEGALLY and LEGALLY flooded into America…

    • Thanks: Katrinka, Ace
    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @Alden
    , @Alden
  61. Resartus says:
    @Cking

    and fireman witnessing molten steel oozing from the wreckage.

    Two chemists, working independently in different countries, noticed the oozing and determined it was aluminum from the a/c…. why the fire burned so hot…..

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Cking
  62. The Muslims did 9/11……………20 years of 9/11 Truther “Science” being demolished in debate…

    9/11 Trutherism is a 20 attempt to justify importing millions of LEGAL. immigrant Muslims into America so Muslims can enthusiastically vote the Native White Christian Working Class into a violently persecuted White Christian Minority within the borders of America…

    Infowarrior and 9/11 Truther Owen Shoyer was sentenced to Federal Prison last week by a Pakistani Muslim Federal Judge….

    • LOL: Rufus Clyde
  63. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Margolis is clearly a man of great courage and integrity. He has demonstrated this many times over and his article was truly remarkable for asking questions that no one else in the MSM or political leadership had the courage to ask.

    While he may not be RU in terms of cutting to the chase with his essays, his platform was fragile and he had to at some level be careful with his words if his words would have any chance of being in print.

    Margolis should be admired for the remarkable man he is.

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
    , @Anon
  64. Trinity says:
    @Trinity

    oops. Moved the embassy to JerUSAlem. USA USA USA…….

  65. Maddaugh says:

    Eric does not know what he is talking about and neither do any of you conspiracy theorists and experts here on UR. 9/11 was planned 5 years before and perpetrated by Osama hiding in a cave deep in the heart of the Hindu Kush accessible only by magic carpets.

    The logistics for this successful operation was undertaken with donkeys, mules and old Honda motor scooters that travelled from Afghanistan across the Bering Straight and down to NY. The box cutters were obtained at a flea market in exchange for some vintage Afghan clothing.

    Dont believe anything else. There was no conspiracy! You are being misled !

    • LOL: lavoisier, W
    • Replies: @RodAxel
  66. @profnasty

    If the US were a communist dictatorship, there would be universal health care and no legions of homeless in every city. I realize that the education system in the US went right in the toilet fifty years ago, but surely someone like you could at least learn a few basic facts about the difference between a communist totalitarian state and a corporatist totalitarian state.

    • Replies: @Resartus
    , @profnasty
  67. Where is Barbara Olson’s body?…Did Ted store Barbara’s body in the meat freezer down in the basement on the Bush Family’s Keneebunkport estate? Or was Barbara Olson’s body in a white wine sauce for matriarch Barbara Bush’s 90 birthday?

  68. @Resartus

    Molten steel runs red. Molten aluminum runs white/silver. The color red was noticed by the firemen. It wasn’t aluminum.

  69. @lee

    Aircraft have been intercepted over the continental US many, many times by NORAD forces. There is no evidence of any kind for this fable that the system only faced outward, as if continental air defence is like having the guns at Singapore pointing the wrong way.
    I watched a National Film Board Documentary a few weeks ago that showed Canadian CF-100 jets scrambling to intercept a rogue bush plane in about 1957. It was done all the time for forty-five years prior to 9/11, 2001. Your claims about a lack of intercept capacity in NORAD is simply not consistent with the known facts.

    Further, the usual suspects, Khaleid Sheikh Mohammed among them, were “caught” in a plot to use an airliner to destroy CIA headquarters in 1995, so the US military and the intelligence agencies were fully aware that some folks had serious notions about Kamikaze airliners being used in the US years before 9/11.
    http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=operation_bojinka

    Ramzi Yousef, the man supposedly behind Bojinka, seems to have worked for the CIA, and he also seems to have had contact with purported Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols.
    http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=ramzi_yousef

    Turning off the inflight ID systems absolutely did not make the 9/11 airplanes disappear from radar.

    Still, despite your total lack of factual basis, that was a great post.

    • Replies: @Resartus
    , @TomSchmidt
  70. Trinity says:

    Has Bill O’LIEly “written” a book about, “Killing Osama Bin Laden?”

    Osama Bin Laden’s death? Yet another fairy tale. USA USA USA….. OBL was probably dead years before “we killed him.”

  71. @Ron Unz

    If you’re unfamiliar with Canada, why would you claim that the Sun is the equivalent of the WSJ or the NYT? It was created as a tabloid with a principle focus on coverage of the local professional sports teams and local news like drug-busts and car-wrecks, a scantily-clad “sunshine girl” in every issue. That is the reason why Margolis was given a regular column. It is not a serious newspaper, by any estimation.
    Again, your link clearly ranks the Globe and Mail as the largest paper, with the Star second. The claim for the Star having the largest readership, if you had actually read the link, comes from the Star itself, and is false. While Margolis did at one time get published in big-boy newspapers like the NYT and the Globe and Mail, he had long been consigned to the Sun and seems to have pushed too far with his 9/11 reconsidertation, which isn’t really that given his inaccurate characterization of the relationship of bin Laden to the US military/intelligence apparatus.

    Here’s an example of Margolis’ sleight of hand, in which he discusses Gladio, reveals a few tid-bits about CIA involvement, and then wraps it up as if it was just some bad Italians who happened to be useful to CIA, who had to hold their noses to get the job done, rather than a single example from a myriad of false-flag terror events, particularly in the UK in that era, and US dominance of the international drug trade and money-laundering through entities like Nugand-Hand or BCCI.

    “In a notorious false flag operation, in 1980 Gelli’s agents detonated a bomb in Bologna’s train station that killed 85 people. As P2 hoped, the Communist Red Brigades were again blamed for this crime. Italy’s intelligence services, SISDE and SISMI, came under strong P2 influence. SISMI, which was close to CIA and Israel’s Mossad, later played a key role with American neocons in getting phony data about supposed sales of uranium to Iraq to the credulous US president, George W. Bush.”
    https://ericmargolis.com/2015/12/italys-puppet-master/

    The terrorists are always infiltrated by CIA, FBI, MI6, Mossad, or whichever franchise happens to be handling these psychological operations.

    • Thanks: Half Back
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  72. Resartus says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    If the US were a communist dictatorship, there would be universal health care and no legions of homeless in every city.

    Sure, not like the USSR spent more on Vodka than anything else and the avg woman had 16 abortions ……That was in the 80s before the collapse….

    Now abortions are basically illegal, along with homosexuality (it’s a wonder they haven’t joined the Muslims in tossed gays off roofs)…..

    Not unlikely that the mandatory military service wasn’t used to rid society of those who didn’t contribute…..

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  73. Resartus says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    It was done all the time for forty-five years prior to 9/11, 2001.

    Then again, we didn’t see a kid land a Cessna right in front of the Kremlin in the most paranoid country in the world……

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  74. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    But anyway, my substantive point still stands. Margolis’s candid and very provocative discussion of 9/11, rather supportive of “9/11 conspiracy theories,” appeared in one of Canada’s largest and most influential newspapers. Can you or anyone else find a similar example of an article along such lines appearing in any major American newspaper, or any other Canadian newspaper for that matter?

    It just goes to show the extent to which the ((Jewish)) and Zionist elite have the Anglosphere MSM in total lockdown. That same lockdown is today controlling the Big Gov/Big Pharma covid narrative.

    Big Business + Big Government + controlled media/controlled speech + rigged elections — we’re all Anglo-Jewish type fascists now, like it or not.

    Some call it Anglo-Zionism. I call it Judeofascism, because ((Jews)) have been by far the biggest beneficiaries of this toxic environment, at least until very, very recently.

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Trinity
  75. @ben tillman

    Quite simple actually, the media decides what’s true and then makes you decide accordingly. If your conclusion doesn’t coincide, then you become a conspiracy supporter and a lunatic.

  76. RodAxel says:
    @Maddaugh

    Now that is funny, good sir; a satirical look at a stultifyingly serious subject.
    KISS theory meets Occam’s Razor.

  77. Trinity says:
    @Chris Moore

    Those who call it, “Anglo-Zionism” are the same type of douchebags who call it, “globalists,” “the deep state,” or “the military industrial complex.”Call it for what it is and stop with the bull dookie. Another thing that throws off the normies is calling this operation an “inside job.” Seen bumper stickers that say “911 Was An Inside Job” but I have yet to see one that said, “Israel Did It.”

    “Judeofascism.” Thanks, I will borrow that one. Luv it because it gets to the point and truth. Certainly a better and more truthful phrase than “Judeo-Christian.”

  78. ivan says:
    @Mooser

    It was all accounted for. Two fuel laden 757s crashed into them. Everyone across the world saw it. And I know all about the “thermites” that are so troubling to some people : How did aluminum get into the steel structures built in the early 70s wonder the fuddy-duddies to create the tremendous incindeary effect, bright sodium light explosions and smoke. It must be them “dancing shlomos”. Well consider that each 757 was constructed out of maybe 30 tons of aluminum. But, but how could the temperature get so high . Well if the heat generated gets so high that it can’t dissipate the temperature will increase tremendously. Sugar factories have been known to burn at over 2000 degrees centigrade. High enough to melt steel. And the hydrocarbons that fuel the planes are just like the molasses. Steel will wobble long before that at 600 degrees. That is how iron is forged into various shapes. The the “mysterious” collapse of building 7.Dutch researcher said it is a controlled demolition and he died days later in a crash. Sounds pretty bad until one realises that in the all controlled demolitions we’ve seen they usually fall at angle , since it hard to get the explosive sequence perfect. But once again the dancing schlomos and their mover friends managed to pull off what professionals with decades of experience could not : make a building fall Right into it’s own footprint.

    And so on and forth…

    • Replies: @Ace
  79. @Rufus Clyde

    NYC was supposed to be defended from an airbase at White Plains, about 30 miles from the World Trade Center. Instead, the planes meant to defend NYC were launched from Cape Cod, 180 miles away. Those planes only got to NYC AFTER the second tower was hit. Perhaps if they had been based closer, the first tower might have been the only tower hit.

    One need no conspiracies for this, just the basic facts. When seconds counted, the Air Force was minutes or hours away, by design, and probably for money-saving reasons.

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @Ace
    , @Rufus Clyde
    , @Resartus
  80. Ace says:

    Ahh. “Totalitarian far right” and “far right.” Stark proof of Mr. Margolis’s powers of political analysis.

  81. Katrinka says:
    @Trinity

    I am pretty sure he died of kidney disease. He probably found it a struggle to lug around a dialysis machine in the caves of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

    • Agree: Trinity
  82. Ace says:
    @ivan

    Excellent point about heat dissipation.

    I don’t agree that controlled demolitions of buildings usually involves their falling at an angle. I’ve seen videos of buildings collapsing straight down and toppling over. The fewer buildings in the immediate area that could be damaged by the target building’s collapsing outside its foundation the less critical perfect placement and timing would be.

    I’m not a demolition guy but I doubt that the detonation was initiated with a Wiley Coyote hand plunger setting off detonation cord lengths of varying lengths. I suspect great care was taken precisely to avoid an unbalanced sequence.

    No one has alleged that the “dancing schlomos and their mover friends” were the ones who set the explosives. There were over 100 Israeli’s arrested post 9-11 and Israeli pressure got them repatriated to the Ancestral Homeland of the Jews before anything useful could be extracted from those tight-lipped lads. It’s not at all clear that none of them had any demolition experience or that other persons unknown had that experience and used it inside Bldg. 7.

    • Replies: @Half Back
    , @ivan
  83. @Cking

    An obvious query which should spring to mind for anyone scans this comment is “why weren’t optical illusions used for Building 7?” If we really believe that it is a simple matter to whip up some holograms for the attacks on the Twin Towers, and we really believe that Building 7 was brought down by pre-planted demolitions as were the Towers, then surely it would make the most sense for the conspirators to send a similar hologram into WTC 7. The fact that this was not done means that a minimum we must choose between:

    a) Building 7 was not intended to be destroyed but instead simply suffered damage and collapsed as a consequence of the collapse of the Towers.

    b) The Towers were hit by something real like a jet-plane, and maybe there was an intent to use Flight 93 in a similar fashion with Building 7.

    • Replies: @Cking
    , @Cking
  84. Ace says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Von Moltke or Frederick the Great IIRC observed that he who defends everywhere defends nothing. Would a suicide attack by hijacked airliners on some buildings in NY and WDC really spring to mind as one of the air defense scenarios that should be planned for?

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
    , @TomSchmidt
  85. Hubert says:
    @Patrick McNally

    We were only there to document the effect” also before that USS Liberty and Lavon affair. US also has it in then considering operation northwood. Lucky Silversteins meeting to the dermatologist is another clue.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  86. @Resartus

    The average woman had 16 abortions? Source? I can’t wait!

    • Replies: @awry
    , @Resartus
  87. @Resartus

    Great non sequitur. Second-most paranoid after the US.

  88. “Just, perhaps, the Mother of All Coincidences.”

    No, but “For sure, the Mother of All Manufactured Coincidences”, or
    “the Masterpiece of Occult Insanity” that never stops to surprise.

  89. Trinity says:

    Really getting my “normie” fix of WTC documentaries this weekend. A couple were actually pretty decent. One talked about the history of building the WTC, how they were largely unoccupied at first, and about a 3-alarm fire there in 1975, “coincidentally” a year after the movie, “The Towering Inferno.” Predictive programming and/or “conspiracy theories” in the 1970s? haha. Another good documentary was one on how comics handled doing stand up after 9-11. Will Ferrell in patriotic briefs talking about muh USA USA USA on some old SNL show was hilarious. lolol. Would Ferrell have worn Star of David briefs on (((SNL))) and performed an “edgy” piece about America’s subservience to that little nation in the ME? I DOUBT IT. Shit I have to replay that scene. Comedy gold, man. lolol. Laters.

  90. @Ace

    You mean like the Bojinka plot to which I referred in my post, in which recurring mooslem devils KSM and Ramzi Youseff planned to crash an airliner into CIA headquaters? That kind of suicide attack by hijacked airliners, which was exposed in 1995?

    This “who could have known” canard was a lie when Condoleeza Rice made the claim, and it remains a lie today.

    “Sometime between 1991 and 2001, a regional sector of the North American Aerospace Defense Command simulated a foreign hijacked airliner crashing into a building in the United States as part of training exercise scenario, a NORAD spokesman said Monday.”
    https://www.cnn.com/2004/US/04/19/norad.exercise/

    Apparently a domestic flight hijack constitutes a completely different concept than one originating somewhere else. American exceptionalism!

    • Replies: @Ace
  91. gabon 45 says:
    @Cking

    “and fireman witnessing molten steel oozing from the wreckage.”

    ….for more than 3 weeks – from way below ground– sub sub sub level of the tower !!!

    please — a plane did that ?…….no way

    • Agree: Cking
  92. @Ace

    Well, in 1994 the Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey French stormed a plane that had been hijacked by The Armed Islamic Group of Algeria who had planned to fly it to Paris to crash into landmarks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_8969
    “The terrorists murdered three passengers and their intention was to blow up the plane over the Eiffel Tower in Paris.”

    This happened, of course, the year after the first WTC bombing, which wound up saving thousands of lives by pointing out the need to light the stairwells in an emergency.

    So, Islamist terrorists using planes to target the tallest structure in a city… yes, that should have been figured out in the SEVEN years from 1994.

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
    , @Ace
    , @Olivier1973
  93. Ace says:
    @Deep Thought

    And if foreigners can out-compete against whites in their own country (or at home) then one’s just plain bigoted and a hater to object to having his country flooded by them (or their goods).

    One should graciously submit when one’s jobs, factories, culture, and political dominance are stolen or trashed.

  94. anon[284] • Disclaimer says:

    Ft Lee.

  95. @TomSchmidt

    You have simply ignored my point, which is that the use of hijacked airliners as missiles to be aimed at US facilities was already an aspect of a foiled terror plot from 1995, a plot allegedly cooked up by KSM and Ramzy Youseff. So US the US military and the US intelligence apparatus were well aware that this scenario was among the tactics of their purported mooslem terrist foes.
    I didn’t allege a conspiracy to keep US fighters away from NYC on 9/11, that’s your little logical fallacy.
    The US authorities were warned very clearly that a terror attack was imminent in the weeks before 9/11, and they knew that the el kaydahs had already cooked up one plot to use hijacked airliners to hit US targets.
    The fact that no apparent defence was available for Washington DC, nor NYC, given the prevailing climate of threat, and the particular apparent nature of that threat from el kaydahs revealed in the Bojinka affair, is certainly odd.

  96. awry says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    It was the main form of birth control in the USSR. Condoms weren’t widely available, were of poor quality and frowned upon as “reducing the enjoyment greatly”. Pills were primitive with serious side effects, also not widely available. After the Bolsheviks legalized abortion, it became the accepted form of birth control in Workers’ Paradise.

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  97. “But I’ve seen no hard evidence to date that 9/11 was a plot by America’s far right or by Israel or a giant cover-up. Just, perhaps, the Mother of All Coincidences. In the end, it may just have been 19 angry Arabs and a bumbling Bush administration looking for someone else to blame.”

    How Incredibly Insulting to every 9/11 Truther that has invested the time to get informed.

    It is clear to me that Eric Margolis is out of his depth. This man knows nothing of the 9/11 Truth Movement.

    He did not do his homework, he did not invest the time. He has not earned the right to speak on this matter.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  98. @Hans Vogel

    Another fake German — “Hans Vogel”.

    • Replies: @Hans Vogel
  99. @TomSchmidt

    Typical expression of the infinite ignorance of the US populace. The French would have to go some to out-surrender the US. There is nothing in US history to rival the French loss of life at Verdun, no US feat to compare to the taxis of the Marne. The surrender of the US forces in the Phillipines, who outnumbered their Japanese opponents, opponents who travelled by bicycle and were armed with third-rate weapons and whom the Russians had smashed at Nomonhan two years prior despite having decapitated their own officer corps, is one of the more disgraceful episodes in all of military history.
    Recent events in Iraq and Afghanistan speak for themselves.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  100. Ace says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    I do not question that America’s air defense system looked inward as well as outward. If C. Rice thought otherwise she was grossly uninformed though I doubt she would have been so clueless. If she, along with a lot of other people apparently, discounted attacks on less high-value targets I think that’s more justified.

    Any air defense alert scenario would prioritize defense of key installations IMO. The Congress, the Pentagon, the CIA, and such are highly likely to be targeted.

    If you also are prescient enough to consider that other buildings are likely to be attacked then the number of possible targets increases substantially, however, hence my point that if you try to defend all possible targets you spread yourself too thin and effectively have an ineffective plan. Every man and his dog would come up with a possible target list and it’s not clear to me that the Twin Towers are obvious targets. They are not the only high-occupancy buildings in the country. The opposite view would be that they had a particular prominence in NY. But there would still be many such possible targets. “General, defend EVERYTHING!”

    Bottom line, I’d have planned to defend vital military, political, and economic structures and devote fewer resources to cultural or symbolic targets.

    • Agree: Alden
  101. Republic says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    like the 1934 assassination of Sergei Kirov by Leonid Nikolaev as a pretext to start the great purge by Stalin.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  102. @awry

    Another Unz-tard reiterating fish-wife tales. What’s your source for the “reducing enjoyment greatly” claim? Regardless, your post is yet another non sequitur. I asked for a source for the “16 abortions per woman” claim, which is, like most of the derpish fart-clouds on this website, is simply an expression of ignorant sentiment. Keep up the good work.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  103. @fayez chergui

    There is no proof, nor even evidence, to back the claim of NS Germany “dressing up soldiers in Polish uniforms” to justify an invasion of Poland. Please read https://carolynyeager.net/gleiwitz-%E2%80%9Cfalse-flag%E2%80%9D-incident-pure-fiction

    But the Nuremberg prosecutors were accusing the SD of carrying out a crime against peace by staging so-called border incidents before the outbreak of the [German-Polish] war to give Hitler an excuse for starting the war. However, as the defense for the SD showed, nothing of the sort was carried out by the pertinent departments (Amt. III and VI). Naujocks explained this away by saying it was a personal request made to him by Reinhard Heydrich. No one in the appropriate SD departments had any knowledge of such an operation.

    • Thanks: Trinity
  104. Republic says:

    9/11 explained in 5 minutes

  105. @Hubert

    I think you meant “event” rather than “effect” in you sentence. The phrase is attributed to some Israeli agents saying that “we were only there to document the event.” The incident with these Israelis clearly shows that there was some level of pre-knowledge about 911. But the deductions which 911truthers make are unwarranted thus far.

    Whenever this point comes up the issue of “controlled demolition” and such always hangs in the background. If one is convinced that the collapses occurred because of pre-planted demolition charges then the fact that Larry Silverstein was reported to be good buddies with Benjamin Netanyahu means the most logical scenario to consider is one where Israeli agents plant the bombs in the building. In that case it likewise makes sense to believe that these Israelis who “were there to document the event” were likewise somehow tied with implementing the operation of 911, possibly playing a role in the planting of demolition charges. But this deduction only holds under the assumption that the demolition charges themselves have been established as fact, when they have definitely not been.

    If one backs away from the “controlled demolition” scenario for a moment and tries to evaluate this story of these Israeli agents “there to document the event” then the implications can potentially shift quite drastically. The obvious issue which comes up under such a scenario is “did the Israeli government under Sharon. Netanyahu et al make any serious effort to pass intelligence of this type onto the US government?” They very well may have. It’s been documented that the Bush II administration ignored warning signs which it got from the FBI, CIA and a bunch of others. So maybe Bush II also ignored warnings from the Mossad? That is certainly possible. But if true this would drastically change the meaning of the “dancing Israelis” story.

    It can’t be ruled out that the reason these Israelis were so quickly shunted off back home was because the Bush II administration knew that it had ignored warnings from the Israeli government about 911 and bringing this to light would have been embarrassing. Most 911truthers who talk about “dancing Israelis” tend to have in mind one of 2 scenarios:

    a) The Towers were blown up with demolitions and these Israelis were part of it.

    b) The Towers came down because Arab hijackers flew planes into them and the Israeli government knew this was going to happen but deliberately did not pass its information on to the US government.

    These 2 scenarios leave out at least a third possibility which is:

    c) The Israeli government did have some meaningful information about what was going to happen and did pass that information on to Bush II, but the latter ignored all of the warnings.

    I don’t actually know what the true scenario is that did in fact occur, but it’s obvious that most of the internet discussions about the “dancing Israelis” are strongly influenced by secondary assumptions which are not actually confirmed by evidence anywhere.

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  106. @Republic

    There is no similarity between Hitler’s Polish policy and anything to do with purges by Stalin. You are both historically ignorant, and never give any evidence of anything you say. Just opinion.

  107. Ace says:
    @TomSchmidt

    That’s a good point. The first attack should have put a spotlight on those buildings as future targets.

  108. @Ace

    How can you not be embarassed by your response? Ramzy Youseff, of Bojinka fame, had already attacked the WTC in 1993, with a little help from his FBI overseers. So WTC was already clearly on the el-kaydahs target list. Bojinka was aimed at CIA headquarters, so military/intelligence structures were on the list too.
    The sum total of the story is that it was long known that WTC and installations like the Pentagon were targets of the mooslems, and that they had planned to use airliners as missiles to attack such targets. Further, it was clearly established in the summer of 2001 that the mooslems were getting fired up to launch an attack. So your “defend everything” emission is absurd.

    • Replies: @Anon
  109. Sean says:

    Ah yes, Gen. Hamid Gul, former director of Pakistan’s intelligence agency

    https://www.khaama.com/gen-hameed-gul-the-father-of-taliban-and-brain-behind-pakistans-proxy-wars-1394/

    [MORE]
    In 2011 the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, testified to the Senate Armed Services Committee that the Taliban were a “virtual arm of the ISI” (Pakistani military intelligence agenc)y. Bin Laden at the time of his death was living a stone’s throw from the Pakistani military academy. The country with the greatest strategic interest in Afghanistan is Pakistan.

    Jamal Khashoggi was a Saudi secret agent who while under cover of being a journalist created the false legend of bin Laden as a successful military commander against the Soviets. The head of the Taliban Mullah Omar declined a personal invitation from the Saudi King (Custodian of the Two Holy Places) to make pilgrimage to Mecca. So Omar as a traditional Islamic scholar opposed the US army being in Saudi Arabia, which was also Osama Bin Laden’s main complain. Mullah Omar as head of the Taliban refused to hand bin Laden over repeatedly and the US fired missiles into Afghanistan at bin Laden associated targets in 1998. Every precaution was taken so as to not kill innocent civilians. Indeed that consideration saved bin Laden’s life.

    No one needed to stage9/11 as a pretext to to invade Iraq, The US, indeed the very same neocon personages such as Cheney, had in the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait a perfect justification for removing Saddam a decade previously but deliberately chose not to. They did not understand the rage that would be provoked against the Saud family dictatorship by having a US infidel army in Islam’s sacred land. Everything America does in the Middle East is about control of Saudi Arabia and petrodollars .

    On August 23, 1996, Osama bin Laden had declared war on the Saud family dictatorship for allowing an United States army to be stationed in Saudi Arabia, which was to protect it from Saddam (still in power in Iraq). The official narrative has an organization of Saudis led by bin Laden doing 9/11, and I see no reason to doubt that. In 1991 Bush the Elder by not ousting Saddam in Iraq , necessitated having a US army remaining in Saudi Arabia, and there created bin Laden as a terrorist leader.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Saudi_Arabia
    On April 29, 2003, Donald Rumsfeld announced that he would be withdrawing remaining U.S. troops from the country.

    The Mission Accomplished speech was on May 1, 2003 so rather obviously the invasion of Iraq was to get US forces out of Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden had done what he set out to do.

  110. Half Back says:
    @Ace

    Here is a clear fact that the Israeli Art Studenys Spies had explosive capabilities. Look at point 97 specifically.

    96. On May 3, 2001, the DEA Orlando District Office was visited by an Israeli art student at approximately 1:00 p.m. This subject was detained and identified as Peer SEGALOVITZ (DOB: 03-16-1974). SEGALOVITZ is a 27 year old male that has been in the United States since January 17, 2001. SEGALOVITZ is in the United States on a B-2 (visitation) visa which expires July 17, 2001. INS was contacted and INS requested that DEA detain SEGALOVITZ until they could arrive to take him into custody. FBI SA John Weyrauch also responded to assist with the interrogation. SEGALOVITZ was interrogated for approximately 4 hours while waiting for INS to respond. SEGALOVITZ was untruthful about his reasoning to be in the United States for approximately the first 3 hours. SEGALOVITZ finally admitted that he was one of approximately 30 Israeli art students who are currently in Florida. SEGALOVITZ would not admit what their purpose was in Florida, but did state that they were not here for legitimate means.

    97. SEGALOVITZ reluctantly stated that he was an officer of the Israeli military special forces 605 battalion in Golan Heights. SEGALOVITZ has the rank of Leiutenent and his military ID number is 5087989. SEGALOVITZ stated that he commanded approximately 80 men. SEGALOVITZ stated that he had been in infantry, but as a platoon leader he and his men specialized in demolition. SEGALOVITZ then began to explain the various types of explosives that he was familiar with and stated that his main purpose was to clear mine fields for Israeli tanks and soldiers. SEGALOVITZ acknowledged he could blow up buildings, bridges, cars and anything else that he needed too. SEGALOVITZ further stated that he was very familiar with small arms and had operational knowledge of tanks and other large military machinery. SEGALOVITZ stated that the only thing he was not trained to operate was military aircraft. SEGALOVITZ admitted that he had been in two (2) military actions in Lebanon involving explosives, these missions were to eradicate members of the Hezbolah. SEGALOVITZ asked agents not to divulge this information to Israel because it would lead to his immediate arrest in Israel,

    98. SEGALOVITZ stated that he was aware of Israeli Organized Crime, involvment in drug smuggling and weapons smuggling. SEGALOVITZ admitted that he was selling art and working for his brother’s company. SEGALOVITZ identified his brother as Dror SEGALOVITZ with an address of 8187 N. University Drive Apartment 129 in Tamarac, Florida. A search of Peer SEGALOVITZ and his vehicle found numerous deposit slips, paintings, receipts for art sales and art equipment. INS SA’s Nigel Jason and Bill Forester from the Orlando INS Office responded and arrested Peer SEGALOVITZ for violation of his B-2 (visitation) visa by working in the United States.

    https://cryptome.org/dea-il-spy.htmhttps://cryptome.org/dea-il-spy.htm

    • Replies: @Half Back
  111. Resartus says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Perhaps if they had been based closer,

    Which building would a shot down jet probably hit then…..
    The one shot down over Ukraine spread debris over 10s of sq miles….
    That was from 30+k ft…..

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  112. @Patrick McNally

    “I don’t actually know what the true scenario is that did in fact occur, but it’s obvious that most of the internet discussions about the “dancing Israelis” are strongly influenced by secondary assumptions which are not actually confirmed by evidence anywhere.”
    If the assumptions were confirmed by evidence, nobody would be engaged in these discussions. The confirmed evidence is that these guys were Israelis. At least two were known to be Israeli intelligence. They did make the statement about being present to “document the event”.
    It’s absurd on it’s face to imply that Israeli assets had information precise enough to warrant such “documentation” and yet Israel was unable to get the ear of US authorities.
    The fact that you’re using the pejorative “truthers”, a thought-terminating cliché if ever there was one, pretty much wipes out your pretense to objectivity.

  113. Resartus says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    Health reports put out in the late 80s……
    Plenty of stuff from decades ago, before the internet that gets remembered
    but rarely recorded in places like wiki…..

    You know things like that are going to make news when two sides are politely at war….

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  114. Alden says:
    @Trinity

    Great post. One of da yoofs ,Damon Williams who tried to kill Denny was the bastard ( of course) son of a career LA County worker in the welfare department. An even more badly injured victim in that intersection was Fidel Lopez. Supposedly the TV editors showed Denny because Lopez was covered in blood and looked worse than Denny.

    Lopez was driving a pick up truck full of \$3,000 construction supplies he’d just purchased. He didn’t own them. His employer did. Lopez used his employer’s credit card to buy the materials. After things settled down, some scum black preacher raised funds to reimburse Lopez for the building supplies but kept the money.

    The entire Rodney King riot was engineered by Stanley Shinebaum. Marxist economist Married to the Jack Warner movie studio fortune. A king maker. Never ran for office but preferred to fund political campaigns for other commie Jews and blacks. Used his wife’s inheritance for many pro black, anti White anti civilization purposes.

    Arranged the Helsinki accords some bogus peace treaty between Israel and Palestine. Israelis promised to be nice. But after massive publicity continued confiscating Palestinian property and killing Palestinians.

    He succeeded in becoming police commissioner. For the sole purpose of firing police Chief Daryl Gates and replacing him with a black chief, any black. He finally succeeded

    He was downtown the day it started. He stood behind the line of terrified officers guarding Parker Center police headquarters. Telling the officers that if they harmed a black rioter they’d be fired sent to prison sued civilly etc. Then after police had to retreat from downtown he had a police escort of several vehicles to escort him home to his mountain fortress in Brentwood.

    Shinebaum also paid the rent on the communist bookstore downtown where much of the unrest had been fomented since King’s arrest. King was a parolee who had a city job as grounds keeper at Dodger Stadium. Many people don’t realize how many civil service jobs are given out to black parolees and career criminals.

    The afternoon the riot started pick up trucks full of bricks were driving around downtown for the convenience of rioters.

    My source LA cops and goyim Whites involved in politics real estate business etc. I read some reports by LAPD intelligence division that were sent to San Francisco PD and DA offices.

    The King riots were the height of commie Jew and black power in Los Angeles. The non Jewish powers that be finally gave up in trying to civilize the blacks and replaced them with civilized Hispanics.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  115. Half Back says:
    @Half Back

    I bet his face was seem around NY city as elevator technician for a moving company weeks before 9/11

  116. But I’ve seen no hard evidence to date that 9/11 was a plot by America’s far right or by Israel or a giant cover-up.

    The hard evidence exists, only it does not exist for someone who wants to keep his eyes wide shut.

    About Litvinenko you are bringing the usual disinformation. Russia did nothing.

    https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/bombshell-french-counter-terror-boss-i-have-proof-who-killed-litvinenko-it-wasnt-russia

    • Agree: Half Back
  117. @Rufus Clyde

    Well here’s one example of an early report:

    http://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-sep-20-mn-47840-story.html

    —–
    FBI and CIA officials were advised in August that as many as 200 terrorists were slipping into this country and planning “a major assault on the United States,” a high-ranking law enforcement official said Wednesday. The advisory was passed on by the Mossad, Israel’s intelligence agency. It cautioned that it had picked up indications of a “large-scale target” in the United States and that Americans would be “very vulnerable,” the official said.
    —–

    Like most 911truthers you easily rant on about something without bothering to investigate. The reason a typical 911truther will dismiss the above is “controlled demolition.” Now, to be fair, if controlled demolition were to really be established (it has not been so far) then that greatly affect how the above report should be read. It would suggest that Israel was somehow giving out fake warnings while preparing a controlled demolition by subterfuge. But 911truthers will simply assume controlled demolition as an axiom and as a result they will easily miss readily available reports such as the above.

    • Replies: @W
    , @Rufus Clyde
    , @Olivier1973
  118. Alden says:
    @Trinity

    To continue with the ballad of Rodney King. After being checked out at the hospital King returned to work at Dodger Stadium. He wasn’t even hospitalized overnight. Just an ER check.
    Now; Dodger Stadium is about half a mile north of Santa Monica Blvd. a major street.

    The section of SMB below Dodger Stadium was notorious at the time for the skankiest of hookers lining the street for miles. So Rodney got off work and picked up a hooker. Hooker directed him to a convenient car port to do the deed.
    Now the apartments in that neighborhood were built in the 1950s when builders put the carports in the back of the building accessible via the alley, So all the alleys in the neighborhood were lined with carports on each side.

    Now children. Can you guess why builders had to uglify the apartment houses and the streets by putting the carports in the front of the buildings thus making mid century buildings even more hideous?

    Because of black criminals who lurked in the alleys robbing beating raping and murdering Whites parked in the carports behind the buildings.

    Now, the neighborhood was full of alley carport buildings. And skank hookers and skank customers using the carports to transact business. Neighbors were outraged to come home and find a hooker and customer in costumer’s car in their carports

    So residents and police made a plan to solve the problem. Residents set up a rotation to sit in the back of the apartments observing the alley and carports. When a hooker, customer and his car were spotted police were called and actually responded quickly.

    So Rodney and his hooker pulled into a carport and the observer called police who responded immediately. 2 cars responded. Blocked each end of the alley. Heard screaming and ran to the carport. Turned out the hooker was a man. When Rodney discovered this he started beating the hooker.

    Police saw it was Rodney. An oh \$hit moment. They backed off moved their car and Rodney took off. Police soothed the poor hooker.

    Rodney King George Floyd Mike Brown Trayvon Martin. Worthless critters made into saints by the Jewish media and subversive destructive non profit organizations.

    To be continued

    • Thanks: Trinity
  119. @Rufus Clyde

    The most interesting fact is that the vidéo taken to “document the event” was never released. Why?

    Fact: WTC7 was pulled down by control demolition.
    Fact: Explosives were wired inside the building.
    Fact: WTC belonged to Silverstein.
    Fact: only Silverstein could give order to install the explosives and that it will not be noticed by common people working there.
    Fact: Silverstein is part of the plot.

    Fact: two vans heading for the river (in a tunnel and on a bridge) were intercepted with explosives and Israelis.

    Conclusion: jews did nothing. ROTFL.

    • Thanks: Half Back
    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  120. @TomSchmidt

    “The terrorists murdered three passengers and their intention was to blow up the plane over the Eiffel Tower in Paris.”

    The intention of the terrorsits was never known as they were all killed. They only stated that they wanted to go to Paris.

    Tom Clancy is more to the point:

    http://911blogger.com/node/14694

  121. Anon[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    The 1993 attack was a car bomb going off in the buildings’ garage. The media made it out to be the biggest deal. Thousands injured screamed the head lines because people coughed getting out of that area. How many died. 4? When ten people died in a ferry crashed, the media quickly covered that up; barely talked about it and made excuses for the ferry’s captain. Thousands injured? Well they got their thousands after all years later. Crying wolf back in 1993 as the targets of the anti Semites[against Semitic Arabs] has always been to war and genocide Arab/Muslim people .

    • Troll: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Hibernian
  122. Hibernian says:
    @Anon

    That bomb would have taken down the North Tower in ’93 except the place where it needed to be parked for that “purpose” was already taken and the car bombers (actually van bombers) had to choose a nearby spot which was not “optimum” for their evil purpose.

    • Agree: Alden
  123. Trinity says:
    @Alden

    Thanks for the info. For the life of me I cannot remember a Hispanic being badly beaten but the riots are coming up on thirty years ago. Mr. Lopez receiving a more brutal beating than Denny makes me think of the saying, “you should see the other guy?” I still cannot figure out why Denny didn’t floor it?

    • Replies: @Alden
  124. Rambam says:

    Hey Margolis,

    Check your birth certificate and let Wikipedia know what year you were born.
    Thanks

    “Eric S. Margolis (born 1942 or 1943)[1] is an American-born journalist and writer.“

    Shalom

  125. W says:
    @Patrick McNally

    We mostly believe CD because the twin towers exploded. I don’t need to investigate whether or not concrete and steel can be pulverized in mid air by a fire.

    I’ve never had an 911 OS’er give a legitimate response to this..

  126. @Patrick McNally

    Your reply is a non sequitur. I didn’t mention controlled demolition. Like most dunces, you can’t put together a coherent argument.
    With regard to that report, there were not 200 terrorists slipping into the country, unless you’re referring to the Israeli intelligence group operating, the art students and mall helicopter salesmen among them, in the US during that period.
    The alleged 9/11 hijackers had entered and left and reentered the US long before August, 2001, a majority with help from one Shayna Steinger who gave 12 of them visas at the US consulate in Jeddah.
    Sending five men to “document the event” is hardly consistent with a vague warning about a “large-scale target” that is “highly vulnerable.” Keep on derping!

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  127. Anon[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier

    Right, and Santa Claus is a bigger distributor of children’s toys than Wal Mart.

  128. @Resartus

    Thanks for the confirmation that you pulled the claim out of your ass. High five!

  129. @Patrick McNally

    Now, to be fair, if controlled demolition were to really be established (it has not been so far)

    It has been. Only people without an education in physics could say that it has not been established.
    Explain the free fall.
    Explain the antenna on the North Tower beginning to fall before anything else.
    Explain the destruction of the UPPER floors of the North Tower before the lower floors.
    Explain the heat for several days at the base of the towers.
    Explain the tiny bone fragments found on the roof of the Deutsche Bank.

    Even Silverstein said it before it happened to the WTC7.

    You could begin here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentum#Conservation

    Thus, something went wrong when the North Tower had to fall on the WTC7, but failed because the plane hit too high. The way it could have been done is shown by the first part of the fall of the upper part of the South Tower.

    And now this one:

    https://thesaker.is/9-11-a-u-s-deep-state-insider-speaks/

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  130. @Trinity

    The bin Laden patsy murdered in cowardly cold blood by a typical Yankee ‘hero’, must have known that this day would come, his final curtain call in the pantomime performed after the real OBL’s death, sometime in 2001-2.

  131. Alden says:
    @Ace

    Makes more sense for an enemy to attack gas electricity water phone company TV radio communications internet and the civic center government buildings.

    Not office buildings far from the civic center and water and power stations. Even if there were many government offices in the buildings.

  132. @Mike Fridelle

    If he saw the ‘hard evidence’, of which there are truck-loads, he would be unemployable. Cut the presstitute some slack.

  133. Alden says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    I don’t believe the 16 abortions claim. But every Russian woman who left Russia claimed that abortion and withdrawal were the only forms reliable of birth control. Condoms and diaphragms were ad defective as other Soviet products. Abortions or a D&C are very effective and safe if done the third or fourth week of pregnancy or within 10 days of missing a period.

    Asian Standard Crowded housing was a birth control factor

    Russian medical people Russian women diplomats journalists students and other foreigners who lived in Russia all knew that abortion was the major method of birth control. Foreign women had to see Drs outside of Russia to get proper fitting diaphragms without holes.

    Just because you’ve never heard of defective birth control in Soviet Russia and can’t find it on the internet doesn’t mean it’s not true. Women talk to each other about these things. Like women diplomats to students from their home countries and the Russian women employed as local employees in the embassies and consulates.

    They also used the ancient remedies like penny royal tea to kill any zygotes floating around looking for a uterine wall to adhere to. There’s other birth control plants but I forget their names.

    Ignorance of some of the MEN OF UNZ never ceases to amaze.

  134. Alden says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    Well whadda ya know. Google has 3 pages of articles from pubmed.com and other medical sites about abortion as the main method of birth control in Russia even today.

    The ignorance and arrogance about their ignorance of some of the MEN OF UNZ never ceases to amaze.

  135. Extraordinary coincidence, isn’t it, that Larry Silverstein–the owner–didn’t have breakfast in the North Tower on September 11, as he did every day? Instead, he had a doctor’s appointment. Silverstein later collected \$4.5 billion in an insurance settlement.

    Extraordinary coincidence, isn’t it, that ZIM Israel International–a company half-owned by the Israeli government–moved its 200 employees out of the WTC one week before September 11?

    The “luck” that some people enjoy! . . .

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  136. @Hans Vogel

    No one ever doubted van der Lubbe´s guilt as he was nabbed in
    literally flagranti delicto. However he was a stereotypical antifa with
    fetal alcohol syndrome so everybody and his mama thought he was a patsy
    and Goering – then iirc Prussian minister of the interior and court president –
    tried to pin it on a certain Dimitroff & Co., (((Romanian))) bolshevik sleeper cell,
    and thereby an (((international))) conspiracy.
    The trial was an international spectacle, and when Dimitroff claimed Goering
    himself and the SA did it through a (not very existent) secret tunnel
    linking the Party headquarters and the Reichstag, all those who could not
    abide the Government of the National Uprising lapped it up (so forget it).

    Dimitroff BTW got away this time (i.e. the Natzees were very much into the
    rule of law, unlike say their opponents) but was executed by his own in 1941.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  137. @Ron Unz

    Obviously, getting something into the elite MSM is far more difficult than merely writing a post on some website somewhere…

    Not when the “something” further clouds an issue, while simultaneously collaborating the government’s ridiculous version of what transpired on 9/11.

    By 2010 (the date of the article), 9/11 had long-since been proven a false-flag operation, with little or no additional evidence emerging (or needed) since.

    • Replies: @Sean
  138. @Olivier1973

    The Harbor Authority had sat for years on the WTC but found no takers; pulling it would have been preferrable but prohibitively expensive as it was full of asbestos. So along came Silverstein and leased it for 99 years, next to no down, and proceeded to insure it for twice its value, all an eye-watering six months before the attack. What insurance investigator on Earth would let that stand? And who shorted all those airline stocks in the three days before? (((Deutsche Bank))) won´t say either.

    ROTFL indeed.

    • Agree: Cking
  139. Cking says:
    @Patrick McNally

    ‘We made the decision to pull it’; I am certain, Mr. Silverstein himself, called for building 7 to be destroyed. And his explanation has been examined many times. So I don’t know what you’re getting at.

  140. Cking says:
    @Patrick McNally

    ‘The smartest thing to do is pull it’ ‘We made the decision to pull it’ it’s reported Silverstein ordered building 7 to be destroyed with FDNY cooperation and his statements and explanations were subject to many examinations.

  141. Cking says:
    @Resartus

    You can’t be serious, The MSM shows that two towers exploded and turned to dust in midair. I referenced Judy Wood’s investigative work and explanation on the Dustification of the WTC buildings. That would be a better source to examine.

  142. @Deep Thought

    “In essence, the foreign policy of the US regime – and indeed, that of most western regimes from Britain to Nazi Germany – is merely a reflection of western values:

    Nazis Germany should have been be left out of it.

    It was Jewish controlled England and the United States who killed millions of civilians by fire bombing Tokyo, Dresden, Nuremburg, and Hamburg.

    Followed by dropping two atomic bombs over a 3 day period on a defeated, defenseless nation in the process of seeking surrender terms, along with murdering and maiming several million Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodian, Laotian Afghan, Iraqi, Libyan and Syrian civilians in indiscriminate bombing raids.

  143. @Rufus Clyde

    Thank you for pointing out the important point that Eric Margolis has/had been relegated to the tabloid. I decided that he was simply not to be trusted when he had quoted Stalin as saying to Churchill “Kaganovich is my Himmler” and it turned out to be an entirely made up quote sourced only to Margolis. Believing him is a bit like believing the satire by Manuel Garcia Jr just published in Counterpunch to be true as one sucker has just done.

  144. vox4non says:

    I must admit in the immediate aftermath, I believed what the MSM was putting out. However, upon closer readings of the buildings’ sudden collapse and the Pentagon attack, I began to have my doubts.
    Would you ever really know what happened?

  145. @Ace

    Bottom line, I’d have planned to defend vital military, political, and economic structures and devote fewer resources to cultural or symbolic targets

    Absolutely spot-on ! The military failures on the day to make very fast strategic decisions then act accordingly were inexcusable for sure – but I believe they were largely hamstrung by an effectively absent President.

    For me, 20 years on, nothing whatever can explain or ever justify Bush’s appalling, disgusting and treasonous failure to act immediately, as the President and Commander-in-Chief, as soon as his aides informed him of the attacks – which precise informing moment just happened to be captured on camera. That look of utter gormless, brain-dead incompetence and cluelessness on his face for about 15 godawful minutes of critical inaction was what convinced me more than anything else as a mere observer that the American Presidency had finally become nothing more than a powerless nominal office – a corrupt and worthless sinecure for old mates in the “business”. The real decisions – every decision which matters – are made far, far away. Bush should have been impeached and prosecuted for gross incompetence in Presidential office, and and I still carry some kind of hope that one day the son of the man who helped to assassinate Kennedy might be held accountable for the disaster of 9/11 in some other way.

  146. ivan says:
    @Ace

    New York is called Jew York for a reason. The Izzies have sayanim all over the place, that much I know. But for precisely the same reason, they are not going to be able to kill Jews working in WTC and get away with. I am sure there are many conspiracies involved in this. The main one that bothered me was the payout that Lucky Larry got. There seems to have been more than an element of “moral hazard” involved. But the Saudi angle was all over the place from day one.

    That George Bush chose instead to escort Bandar bin Sultan (whose exploits include threatening Putin with a renewed mujahideen insurgency in Russia) while holding hands with him was criminal. Now that is conspiracy that was never fully explored. With the recent release of documents from the FBI concerning the Saudi angle, there is no way around the fact that it was Saudis, perhaps not the official government, but surely the ones perpetually waiting in the wings who did this.

    As to conspiracy theories, they are often used to throw smoke . I am certain that as long as a significant part of “conspiracy theorists” concentrates on the “dancing schlomos” and “thermites”, George Bush who leveraged this to attack Iraq which had nothing to do with it, sleeps a lot easier.

    And BTW the Filipinos had warned the US after interrogating, elements of the international mujahideen set, way back in 1996 that the the flotsam and jetsam had a plan to crash planes into the WTC.

  147. @Orville H. Larson

    Luck runs out at the end of a rope.

    – – Copyright Dave Bowman 2021.

  148. @Rufus Clyde

    Do we really need the /sarc tag? I was pointing out that the French stormed a plane and stopped an Islamist terror plot to take down the tallest structure in their largest city. We did not, for whatever reason.

    That the “conservatives” at the National Review had the gall to call them Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys (after The Simpsons) was just one of the pleasantries of the time. Maybe you didn’t recall or were too young.

    • Agree: ivan
  149. @Resartus

    The second jet came in over the harbor at under 1000 feet. There are about 5 miles of Water to be crossed there. Maybe there?

  150. Alden says:
    @Trinity

    Traffic wasn’t moving. Rush hour 5 pm or so on a major city street. Traffic was always so slow at that intersection at that hour. If he had floored it he would have only gone a few feet before he crashed into the many vehicles in front of him.

    Friend was in the area about 3/30. Blacks with baseball bats blocked the intersection He floored it and got away. Because the traffic was light.

    From Roman times to medieval and early modern London to French Russian and American revolutions to the present day riots are never ever spontaneous. Pallets of bricks dumped a day before the St George Floyd 2020 riots pick up trucks full of bricks driving around Los Angeles city hall police headquarters county buildings in the Rodney King riots. It never changes.

    American riots usually start in the afternoon. So the after work commuters will see stores being looted and figure why not? Might as well pick up a new TV.. Lenin wrote some advice to Indian communists about riots. He thought the best time for an Indian riot was in the outdoor food markets in late morning. When the merchants would have full cash boxes from the morning shoppers. Knock over some stalls and throw the money around. The looters will swarm.

    The TPTB organize and plan. And wait for an incident.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  151. @Rufus Clyde

    I was simply pointing out that there is evidence of some type of warnings having been transmitted to the US government by the Israeli government, and there may be more that is still classified. If one is going to temporarily put aside the claims of controlled demolition and just focus on the matter of Israeli agents having tracked some hijackers then one must also keep in mind that such agents would have had no authority to conduct an arrest within the US the way that the FBI can. Hence the issue comes back to what sort of information was being relayed by the Israeli government to the US government. The fact that some Israeli agents were just documenting an event (which they may not have had a full knowledge about anyway) is beside the point. They would not be able to carry out arrests of suspects.

  152. @Olivier1973

    “free fall”

    Both Towers took about 17 seconds to collapse. That is not really free fall.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  153. @nokangaroos

    Georgi Dimitrov passed away in 1949. You must be confusing him with someone else.

  154. Sean says:
    @carroll price

    Blowing Up The WTC And And Me: This Kind Of Thing Is My Bag Baby!

    • Replies: @ivan
  155. Trinity says:
    @Alden

    Next year will be the 30th anniversary of Saint Rodney and the 10th anniversary of St. Trayvon. “Coincidence?”

    Can’t wait for all the (((documentaries.)))

  156. ivan says:
    @Sean

    The man ben Laden himself claimed it for al-Queda. But because he was sitting in a cave he could not have been involved according to the truthers. A geologist at that time made some effort to identify the location based on the stratigraphy of the rocks. I am certain that the Israelis knew that something big was about to happen, as I am certain that other agencies would have been too. They would figured it from the buzz through their informers. The Filipinos for example warned of a plot to take down the WTC by means of aeroplanes way back in 1996.

    And we have the constant mockery of any notion of the involvement of the Saudis as a bunch of towelheads taking down the towers “with some boxcutters”, forgetting perhaps that these cutters were used to kill the pilots and take over planes. The mendacity of some of these 9/11 truthers is breathtaking.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  157. @Ron Unz

    the sun is the newspaper of strippers and prostitutes, most of its pages dedicated to featuring ads for call girls. i guess someone has to take care of the oldest profession. the star was more serious until they got the memo and became the paper of Sodom and Gomorrah. (in my foolishness one day i called the star to make a complaint, they just laughed at me. some day, we shall all weep. who knows?)

  158. anon[116] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.jpost.com/opinion/are-the-taliban-descendants-of-israel-678995

    Zionist is trying to sidle up to the unsuspecting Taliban as cousin. Taliban shouldn’t allow them anywhere near .

  159. @Patrick McNally

    Both Towers took about 17 seconds to collapse. That is not really free fall.

    Sure! For it was necessary to detonate the explosive in a sequence and not all at the same time.

    You fail to explain the other points. Too bad.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  160. @Olivier1973

    Well, not so sure after reading this:

    https://file.scirp.org/Html/13-1721401_89496.htm

    For instance:

    The time of the free fall would be 9.13 seconds. From the available videos it can be seen that the collapse of the WTC1 building was slightly slower than the speed of free fall. We could thus estimate in concordance with many others that the collapse time of WTC1 was between 10 and 12 seconds.

    And:

    This is approximately twice of the observed time, and still no resistance of the columns was taken into account. It leads to the conclusion that the mechanics of the fall must be different than that supposed by the reports [NIST] and [Kuttler] and that the falling mass did not hit a motionless mass below it, but rather a mass which had started to fall before the impact of the falling mass occurred.

    Busted.

    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  161. @Olivier1973

    Videos do not support the idea of a collapse occurring in 9.13 seconds. The seismographic readings actually did give apparent collapse times in this range. This may be because debris falling from above took longer to reach the ground and score a seismographic reading. But even a more honest old-fashioned 911truther like Jim Hoffman noted that the full collapse takes longer:

    http://www.911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/collapses/freefall.html

    —–
    Consider the North Tower… The CNN video suggests that it takes about ten seconds for the bottom of the mushrooming dust cloud to reach the ground, and another seven or so for the top to reach the ground…

    10:28:33 Top of the North Tower starts to break apart
    10:28:31 Rubble starts to hit the ground (start of big signal)
    10:28:36 The heaviest rubble hits the ground (peak of big signal)
    10:28:39 Most heavy rubble has reached the ground (end of big signal)
    —–

    It seems like the sloppy writer you were quoting must have just looked at the seismographic readings showing about 10 seconds or less and just left it at that. Hoffman is more honest even if one may disagree with his conclusions.

  162. profnasty says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    Suh.
    The BA after my name refers to BA History, SUNYAB (Spec. Modern Communism, Russia, China.)
    I don’t pretend to be smarter than anyone else. But, your insult falls on deaf ears.
    You’re probably just a stupid engineer or the like.

  163. Robjil says:
    @ivan

    The mendacity of some of these 9/11 MSM believers is breathtaking.

    Israel and Zionists in US did 9 11, that is all folks. End of story.

    https://www.activistpost.com/2014/08/why-arent-isis-and-al-qaeda-attacking.html

    Robert Dreyfuss, a veteran journalist for The Nation, even wrote that,
    In the decades before 9/11, hard-core activists and organizations among Muslim fundamentalists on the far right were often viewed as allies for two reasons, because they were seen a fierce anti-communists and because the opposed secular nationalists such as Egypt’s Gamal Abdel Nasser, Iran’s Mohammed Mossadegh.

    “Why aren’t organizations like Nusra, al-Qaeda, and ISIS attacking Israel?” is quite simple – because Israel is partly responsible for funding and directing them.

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