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“I can’t do it.”

Jordan Peterson responding to someone who asked if he had read Solzhenitsyn’s history of the Jews in Russia, Two Hundred Years Together.

Many of you have seen the picture of Jordan Peterson shaking hands with Binyamin Netanyahu over dinner in Jerusalem with Ben Shapiro beaming in the background. Many of you know that E. Michael Jones has extensive contacts in the intelligence community in the United States. What many of you might not know is that he also has contacts in both the Mossad and Shin Beth, whose agents have turned against Netanyahu after he turned fellow Israelis into Pfizer lab rats.

My name is “Moishe,” and I am a disgruntled Shin Beth agent who converted to Catholicism after reading E. Michael Jones’s magnum opus The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. Rather than make my conversion public, I decided to become a mole who could provide the public with transcripts of important conversations like the one which took place between Shapiro, Peterson and Netanyahu in late 2022. I am here to testify to the truth of this transcript, which we now reproduce for the first time in full below. To those who doubt its authenticity, all I can say is that it is every bit as true as holocaust narratives like Elie Wiesel’s memoir Night or Mischa de Fonesca’s incredible story of traveling 900 miles across Europe in a pack of wolves to rescue her parents from Auschwitz. For those who doubt, no explanation is possible. For those who believe, no explanation is necessary.

The transcript begins here:

Ben: Bibi, I’d like to introduce you to my good friend Jordan Peterson. He’s the worlds smartest goy.

Bibi: Oy, what’s that? The world’s tallest midget?

Ben: Ha Ha. Always the comedian. No offense, Jordan. You should hear what he had to say about Donald Trump.

Jordan: What’s the Canadian word for goy?

Ben: Another comedian. Ha Ha. Anyway, Bibi, I just hired Jordan to work for the Daily Wire because we’ve got a serious problem that only the world’s smartest goy can solve. It’s called Logos.

Bibi: What do you mean?

Ben: Logos is the Latin word for reason, speech, whatever.

Jordan: Actually, it’s a Greek word.

Ben: Whatever. It’s become a problem which can no longer be ignored, ever since this shmuck E. Michael Jones confronted me at a right to life banquet and announced that abortion is a fundamental Jewish value.

Bibi: What’s wrong with saying that? It’s true.

Jordan: What’s the Canadian word for shmuck?

Ben: (to Peterson)I don’t know. I don’t speak Canadian. (Then turning to Netanyahu) Of course, it’s true but it’s not something a Jew wants to say at a prolife banquet in South Bend, Indiana. Shanda fa da goyim. And don’t ask me to translate that into Canadian, Jordan. Anyway, he wrote this book called Logos Rising, which is incredibly anti-Semitic, and in it he says that Jews rejected Logos when they killed Christ.

Bibi: No, actually, he said that in The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit.

Ben: How do you know that?

Bibi: I read the book. It’s a great book. I recommend it. Every Yid should read The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit.

Ben: (holding his ears) I can’t believe you just said that, especially in front of our new friend Jordan. Shanda fa da goyim.

Bibi: Yes, Jones and I grew up together in Philadelphia. We’re the same age. He attended LaSalle High School in the 1960s while I was at Cheltenham High School about two miles away.

Ben: You knew him then?

Bibi: Of course not. He was a nobody then. He’s still a nobody. He’s a. . .

Jordan: . . .Shmuck?

Ben: Ha, Ha. Didn’t I tell you he was smart, Bibi.

Bibi: I was more interested in Cardinal Dougherty High School. It was a lot closer. It was the biggest Catholic high school in the world at the time. It had 5.000 students in its heyday, and it was co-ed, which meant 2,500 shiksas, all wearing those sexy maroon Catholic school uniforms.”

(Bibi drifts off into a reverie.)

Ben: So, as I was saying, this shmuck Jones. . .

Bibi: Have you ever shtupped a shiksa, Ben?

Ben: Bibi, stop! Pay attention. Shanda fa da goyim. This shmuck Jones has written a book called Logos Rising, and it’s causing us a lot of problems.

Bibi: Logos Shmogos. I used to watch these shiksas shaking their tits on Bandstand. They drove every Jew boy at Cheltenham wild with desire, but we could never get to first base with them, and do you know why?

Ben: (hesitating, but interested) No, why?

Bibi: Because none of the Yids at Cheltenham high school knew how to dance. Dancing on Bandstand was a dago thing. You had to be from South Philadelphia to get on the show.

Jordan: What’s the Canadian word for dago?

Ben: (turning to Peterson) It’s wop. But that’s not important. (turning back to Netanyahu) The important word is Logos. It’s a Latin word which means reason, and Jones wrote a book about it called Logos Rising which is unbelievably anti-Semitic, and we’ve. . .

Bibi: (ignoring Shapiro and continuing) So, you know what I did? I sat in front of that TV and watched Bandstand every day until I learned how to dance. It took forever, but it was worth it. First, I learned how to do the Bristol Stomp.

(At this point Bibi jumps up and starts singing, “Kids in Bristol are sharp as a pistol when they do the Bristol stomp,” thumping on the floor until the wine glasses on the table start rattling. Ben grabs one glass; Jordan grabs another. Bibi finally collapses into his chair, trying to catch his breath, wiping the sweat from his forehead.)

Bibi: Then I learned how to do the Boogaloo,”

(Bibi jumps up again.)

Ben: Stop!

Bibi: And then I finally made it onto Bandstand and there was the shiksa of my dreams standing in front of me, and so I started to do the Twist, and do you know what happened?

Ben: (curious in spite of himself) No, what?

Bibi: She laughed at me because nobody did the Twist anymore.

Ben: That’s too bad.

Bibi: So, I gave up on shtupping shiksas and decided to screw the goyim instead.

Ben: Now we’re talking. This is where Jordan comes in. I got him this gig with Ralston College.

Bibi: What’s that?

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Ben: Some goy operation no one ever heard of, but, hey, they like the color of Jew money, so Jordan’s now chancellor there. Not only that, we’re going to fly him to Ephesus, put him in front of the library of Celsis and let him give a heavy duty speech on our definition of Logos, which is . . . Tell him, Jordan.

Jordan: The idea of Logos was that the divine element of the human was courageous exploratory communicator. That’s the Logos idea.[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

Bibi: What the fuck does that mean?

Ben: Bibi! (turning to Peterson) Explain what you just said Jordan.

Jordan: One element of the idea of the logos is that there is an element to the world that’s superordinate to the apparent order that’s more fundamentally real and that you can discover that order in contact with the world. And that’s the microcosmic world in some sense rather than the psychological world.[2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

Bibi: I still don’t get it.

Ben: Tell Bibi about Elvis Presley’s guitar, Jordan.

Jordan, It is not something that is made up of guitar atoms and guitar molecules.[3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

Bibi: I thought you said this goy was smart.

Ben: He is. He’s the world’s smartest goy.

Bibi: He doesn’t know shit from shinola. He doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the wall. I shtupped shiksas from Cardinal Dougherty who sounded like Socrates compared to the crap that comes out of this goy’s mouth.

Ben: It doesn’t matter. It’s better than “clean up your room.”

Bibi: Ben, I know you’re the world’s second smartest Jew . . .

Ben: Second smartest?

Bibi: Yes, behind Yuval Noah Harari.

Ben: That faggot? You’re comparing me to that faggot Harari?!

Bibi: Calm down. I’m trying to talk some sense into your head, Yiddel. If you put this putz Peterson in front of a camera and ask him to talk about Logos, you are going to destroy his reputation as the world’s smartest goy, and then what good is he to you? As soon as he opens his mouth, it’s going to be clear that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about and that he never got beyond telling incels to clean up their rooms.

Jordan: (overhearing their conversation) Clean up your room!

Bibi: (turning to Shapiro) What did I tell you? Jordan Peterson is a dumb shmuck who is going to end up being an embarrassment to the Jews who are promoting him, and that includes you and the Daily Wire, Yiddel.

Ben: Look, Bibi. I’ve been listening to Jordan more closely now that he’s writing for us, and nothing he says makes a lot of sense. But that doesn’t matter. In fact, that may be the point that you’re missing. Ever since we hired him at the Daily Wire, he’s been on board with the anti-Semitism thing. He just compared anyone who criticized Israel to rats coming out of a sewer.

Bibi: That’s precisely my point, Ben. He’s coming across as just another goy who is willing to lick Jewish boots to promote his career as a failing psychologist. Nothing he says makes any sense. Any shiksa from Cardinal Dougherty high school could see through him in a New York minute.

Ben: But that’s precisely my point, Bibi. You’ve got a whole generation of twenty- and thirty-year-olds who have spent their adult lives jerking off while watching porn in their mother’s basement. He’s had a lock on that audience ever since he told them to clean up their rooms. And now that those losers are starting to hear about Logos and starting to understand that there may be something important out there that they need to know, we need Jordan to take control of what he’s now calling the Logos narrative, in the same way that I took control of the prolife narrative until 140 Jewish organizations announced that abortion was a fundamental Jewish value, and those shmucks ruined my prolife gig.

Bibi: That goy can’t take control of anything. By the way, have you ever seen Jordan Peterson’s room?

Ben: (taken aback by the question) Actually, no, I haven’t.

Bibi: It’s a total schlamassel, full of clutter, just like his mind. Take it from me. I have sources. Do you want the Mossad photos? No, of course, not. That’s what I need to keep him in line. If this goy ever goes Kanye on us, we release the Mossad photos of his room, full of moldy oranges, empty cereal boxes, crumpled beer cans, and dog-eared copies of the collected works of C. G. Jung. Believe me, Yiddel, his room is a total mess, just like his mind.

Ben: Now it’s you who are missing the point. What better way to get those incels back into the basement jerking off again, than have them listen to Jordan’s incoherent rubbish. They will become totally disillusioned. They will struggle with lines like “If nothing’s placed in the highest place, then there’s nothing in the highest place,”[4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM and when they can’t make sense of it, they will become discouraged and conclude that the Logos is another myth like Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny, and the tooth fairy, and. . . .

Bibi: . . .the Holocaust.

Ben: Bibi! (holding his ears) Shanda fa da goyim! (Shapiro looks nervously at Jordan Peterson to see if he overheard what Netanyahu just said.) But again, you’re missing the point. No one can make sense out of anything that Jordan says about the Logos. Once the incels who idolize Peterson realize this, they’ll all go back to jerking off instead of thinking.

Bibi: (embracing Shapiro) You’re a genius, Yiddel! Now let me tell you about this other shiksa . . .

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At this point, the transcript breaks off. Peterson gave his speech on Logos at the library of Ephesus in late December 2022 under the auspices of Ralston College, where he is now chancellor. What follows is Jones’s response to that speech, which is now circulating among the network of Logos supporters in the Mossad and Shin Beth:

Jordan Peterson begins his lecture by making a category mistake when he claims that the two sources of western civilization are “the Greek stream” and the “Judeo-Christian stream.” To begin with, the term “Judeo-Christian” has no philosophical significance. It was political term popularized in the 1950s when Jews like Will Herberg, the author of Protestant, Catholic, Jew, tried to elbow their way into the mainstream of public life in America. Conservatives like William F. Buckley, who was always beholden to his Jewish fundraiser, appointed Herberg religion editor at National Review as way of appealing to Jewish readers and gaining access to their money.

What Peterson should have said is that Christianity united Greek philosophical thought with the Hebrew historical narrative of salvation history in the Gospel of St. John, which probably got written at Ephesus when John was living there with the Blessed Mother. Instead of pondering the metaphysical prologue of that Gospel or explicating the enigmatic statements of Heraclitus who was the first Greek philosopher to proposed Logos as the ultimate reality of the universe, Peterson comes up with his own definition of “the idea of Logos, which was that the divine element of the human was courageous exploratory communicator. That’s the Logos idea.”

Peterson turns another category mistake into a false dichotomy when he describes “science” as “the intrinsic logos of reality” as opposed to “the human being’s logos which interacts with that and produces intelligible order.”[5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

After announcing that his talk on Logos is going to take place in front of the library at Ephesus, where “Heraclitus first articulated the idea of logos as the basis of reality” and where “the apostle John lived and died,” Peterson rushes into yet another category mistake when he tells us that “the dual concept of the logos” arose from “the Greek and Christian side” when he should have said that the Christian understanding of Logos arose from St. John’s appropriation of Greek and Hebrew sources. Peterson then tells us that Logos describes “the intrinsic order of the universe” but renders that true statement meaningless by dissolving it into a number of pointless questions like “what do you mean by intrinsic, what do you mean by order, [and] what do you mean by cosmos.” Peterson undermines the truth of virtually every comprehensible sentence he utters by subjectivizing it, telling us that “the macrocosm,” which is “the external world which extends above us” is really “indeterminate because it depends on how you define reality.”

So, after giving himself the assignment of explaining Logos, which is what Heraclitus would have called the fundamental reality of the cosmos, and what St. John did call God, Peterson turns his audience into total skeptics by subjectivizing what both Heraclitus and St. John objectified. The smattering of philosophy which Peterson knows is resolutely post-Cartesian. John Maynard Keynes once said that every politician’s thought was determined by a defunct economist. Peterson goes on to prove the same thing with his philosophy. Like Locke, whom he never cites, Peterson believes that the mind apprehends ideas without understanding that both Heraclitus and St. John believed that the mind could and did apprehend being. Descartes’ division of the cosmos into the res cogitans and the res extensa led to the materialism of Spinoza and the idealism of Fichte and Hegel, but neither error has anything to do with either Heraclitus or St. John. Unfortunately, Peterson doesn’t know this, which leads him to ramble from one category mistake to another as he heads off into the cluttered room that is his mind and closing the blinds, never to emerge into the sunlight of rationality.

Having botched the fact that Logos unites the res cogitans and the res extensa in a way that Descartes did not understand, Peterson abandons any attempt to explicate the cosmos and switches to “the reality of pain,” which is “undeniable, and . . . not amenable to rational argumentation,” at least as Peterson construes it. That doesn’t matter because “there’s an ethical dimension” to pain, and “if you accept the reality of pain, there seems to come with a necessity to eliminate pain,” and “this then becomes the source of the moral impulse. . . especially in the case of infants.”[6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

Having flubbed his attempt to define the goal of pure reason as the truth and its first principle as the principle of non-contradiction, Peterson lurches into an attempt to articulate pain as the basis for practical reason. If he knew what he was talking about, Peterson would have said that the purpose of practical reason or morality is to achieve the good, and that its first principle is that good is to be achieved and evil avoided. But once again, it becomes clear that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. To disguise that fact from the unfortunate undergraduates from Ralston College, who have travelled all the way to Turkey to listen to his lecture, Peterson then launches into a discussion of epistemology via the “neuro-chemical system” known as the brain, explaining that “If all of your vision was as intense as the vision of your fulvia, you’d need to have a brain like an alien.”[7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM This means ultimately that “the hierarchy which is the heavenly cosmos . . . is also a psychological reality,”[8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM which brings us back to Heraclitus and St. John, who understood Logos as neither.

At this point, Peterson takes off his philosophical thinking cap and becomes a Scripture scholar, telling us that:

In the opening chapters of Genesis, which is where the Logos is highlighted above all else, you have this sense that whatever God is uses whatever the Logos is to extract habitable order from potential.

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As a point of reference, the author of Genesis, who was completely innocent of any understanding of Greek philosophy in general and the word Logos in particular, tells us that “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” St. John took this profound Hebrew insight and rendered it compatible with Greek thought when he said at the beginning of his gospel, “en arche een ho logos.” In the beginning there was logos. In other words, there was never a time when there wasn’t logos. Peterson misses this reality completely when he says that “God is uses whatever the Logos is to extract habitable order from potential,” a statement so stupid in so many was that it requires effort to unpack. God doesn’t use the Logos. God is the Logos. He didn’t “extract habitable order from potential,” he created heaven and earth. One of the many things that Jordan Peterson does not know is that creation is not change. Change is the movement from one state to another. Change is the movement from potentiality to actuality which occurs when an acorn becomes an oak. Change cannot explain creation because creation goes from nothing to something, a feat which only God can achieve. Greeks like Aristotle could explain change, but neither he nor Plato had any idea that the world was created. They thought the world was eternal, which to them meant that it was god, which meant that they were pantheists malgre lui, which meant that philosophy remained stalled until the Church fathers explained the Trinity. Genesis changed all that, and when St. John baptized Logos with the water of Genesis, he created the cutting edge of Logos in human history. Christianity gave us the beauty of Renaissance painting in Italy as well as the beginning of science derived from the secondary causality which Aquinas’s mentor Albertus Magnus discovered in nature.

Peterson understands nothing of this. Instead, he brings up the word “chaos,” which is the antithesis of what St. John said, when he wrote “In the beginning there was logos.” This means there was never chaos as the Greeks understood that term. God did not bring order out of chaos. God created heaven and earth out of nothing, if by making that statement we understand that there was never nothing and that Logos is eternal because Logos is God and only God can be a creator. Creatio non est cambio. Rather than figure any of this out, Peterson tells the befuddled undergraduates at Ralston College that in the beginning there was “Chaos,” which “is a weird intermingling in the linguistic sense of chaotic possibility of the world per se with confusion and psychological disorientation. And so it’s an amalgam. . . . God imposes a benevolent order upon that chaotic possibility, extracts from the chaotic possibility the habitable order that is good.”[9]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM God did no such thing. Peterson is confusing Genesis with Hesiod’s theogony.

At the end of his lecture, Peterson returns to the only area where he feels confident and competent when he tells us that “Generally your bedroom is so familiar that you don’t need to perceive it.” Suddenly we’re back in the cluttered bedroom that is the best metaphor for Jordan Peterson’s mind. As he snuggles into that rumpled, trash strewn bed, Peterson tells us that “what you perceive when you wake up in the morning is the horizon of possibility,” which may hide some truth behind its vagueness. More importantly, this leads Peterson to extrapolate from the messy bed which is the metaphor for his mind to the mind of God, when he tells the incels that “What you perceive is something akin to the chaos God perceived as the word at the beginning of time.”

At this point, Peterson once again confuses Genesis with Hesiod’s theogony, but this time he moves from stupidity to blasphemy. St. Thomas said that the nominalists of his day were guilty of blasphemy because they denied any knowable order to the mind of God. Isn’t Peterson doing something similar? Isn’t he telling us that in the beginning there was chaos, and that chaos preceded logos? Isn’t he really telling us here that logos is chaos, deliberately ignoring the fact that St. John told us that Logos is God? Isn’t he telling us that chaos is part of God’s nature? The key word in my accusation is “deliberately.” Nothing Jordan Peterson says ever rises to the level of deliberation. This becomes apparent as we watch him desperately scanning his cell phone during his talk as if it were some deus ex machina that is going to deliver him from the fact that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Jordan Peterson traveled all the way to Turkey to desecrate the birthplace of Logos in human history, not intentionally—he’s not educated enough to do that—but en passant as collateral damage arising from the deep-seated intellectual narcissism that has been the hallmark of his career. Like the Jews who have promoted his career, Jordan Peterson overplayed his hand when he moved from the admonition to clean up your room to explicating the metaphysical prologue to the Gospel of St. John. Like blind synagoga, who adorns the façade of the Strasbourg Cathedral, Peterson failed to see that it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool by saying “I can’t do it,” than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Notes

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

[5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

[6] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

[7] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

[8] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

[9] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ByjCwumwBM

 
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  1. Stozi says: • Website

    I can’t believe this benny addict who knows nothing about anything he talks about is still inescapable in YouTube suggestions. Sign of the times

  2. krm says:

    Peterson was never my cup of tea… Never trusted him…

    • Agree: William Gruff
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    , @Getaclue
  3. FKA Max says: • Website

    I just recently (again) discussed Peterson and his daughter here: https://www.unz.com/jtaylor/how-the-races-got-that-way/?showcomments#comment-5714831

    Israel is already a failed state and it will get even worse in the decades to come when high-fertility, low-IQ, inbred Orthodox Jews fully take over the government and dominate the country completely: “As it turns out, even a high school certificate is rare among the Haredi. Ministry of Education data shows that fewer than a tenth of 12th graders in Haredi schools qualify for a matriculation diploma, and barely 6 per cent have the marks to go on to university.” – https://www.unz.com/isteve/to-be-great-again-america-needs-immigrants/?showcomments#comment-1862905
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    Is Jordan Peterson the Incel Messiah?
    Streamed live on Oct 2, 2022 by The Rational Male Rollo Tomassi

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  4. High time Jordan Peterson had an accurate assessment of his insufferable stupidities handed to him with EMJ just the man to do it.

    Wonderful stuff !

    I look forward to JP’s considered reply but doubt he has what it would take. Shabbos-goy-shmucks are typically too full of themselves for ‘considered’ when faced with uncomforatble truths about themselves.

    • Agree: William Gruff
  5. Entertaining piece, until the descent into theological babble. The irony is that JP, with his pseudo-Christian dilation on Logos, is more likely to attract new interest in Christianity than Jones with his preaching Catholic dogma at people.

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    , @Icy Blast
  6. Anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:
    @silviosilver

    Entertaining piece, until the descent into theological babble. The irony is that JP, with his pseudo-Christian dilation on Logos, is more likely to attract new interest in Christianity than Jones with his preaching Catholic dogma at people.

    The kind of keep grace Protestant/Evangelical Christianity JBP flirts with is the antithesis of historical/liturgical Christianity found in Catholicism and Orthodoxy (The True Church, both East and West) which EMJ champions.

  7. @Anonymous

    So liturgical is more genuine than biblical? Hmm. You sound like E. Michael Fanatic.

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    , @Anonymous
    , @Seraphim
  8. Icy Blast says:
    @silviosilver

    EMJ’s analysis of Peterson’s gibberish is brilliant. It is a shame you aren’t in a position to appreciate this. In a very real way you are a knucklehead just like Peterson.

    • Agree: Emslander
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  9. When I recently saw a clip of Peterson on stage in Occupied Palestine gushing over Jews, I knew it was over for him–he had made a deal with the devil to get his career back. He was always a bit of a zionist, from what I am told, but recently he has gone full Shabbos Goy. I remember back in 2016 or so, thinking he was entertaining and might be good for young American males, however, he has repeatedly shown himself to be a buffoon and a clown and a shill. The idiocy of his presentation on stage, in front of a crowd of Talmudists, recently, is the nail in the coffin.

  10. Franz says:

    Logos is the Greek concept that became very widely known about 200 years before Christ and was already considered necessary to understanding Greek religion.

    Catholics borrowed it but only had a tenuous grasp of its significance. Probably this stems from the fact that Logos was just the Greek approximation of an older and more definitive Egyptian concept, Ma’at. That one goes way back. Ma’at means “true” as in straight, Justice, connection, and the binding atomic structure of the universe. When Obi wan Kenobi explains The Force, that’s Ma’at. And “Jedi” comes from another Egyptian word, Djed, which means order, stability, continuation. As in Djed pillar.

    Most scholars study Egypt perfunctorily — or not at all. It shows.

  11. Zane says:

    Thanks for the laugh.

  12. @Anonymous

    My point was that JP, regardless of how right or wrong his views on Logos are, is more likely to spark renewed interest in Christianity – especially among the irreligious – than musty and lame formulas of preaching Catholic dogma. Get them interested first, you can always work on them later to fit the ‘correct’ mold; and if they never manage to fit it, well, you’re no worse off than you are now.

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  13. Karl1906 says:

    Forget Peterson. He’s done. And now he’s selling out.

    • Agree: Weave
  14. Dream says:

    When you import low trust people:

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    , @dogbumbreath
  15. Glad to see that I am not the only who always perceived Jordan Peterson as a complete idiot. Though I don’t see the point of a demonstration.

    • Agree: William Gruff
  16. Anonymous[405] • Disclaimer says:

    Dick Clark’s Bandstand was for laughs, unless you were a dago from South Philly, NY, etc. The dance that captured the macho/slut teen buffoonery wasn’t so much the Bristol Stomp or Boogaloo, but the Stroll.

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    , @Liza
  17. lavoisier says: • Website

    Interesting piece from Dr. Jones. JP for sure has completely cucked to Jewish interests and this has been clear for some time. I recall when he was asked why Jews were so dominant in the media, finance, law, academia, etc, etc, and he flippantly responded that it is all because of their high IQ.

    No discussion of nepotism or how even if Jewish IQ on average was higher, which I think may well be true, it could possibly account for such overwhelming dominance of our nation by one very small ethnic group.

    In essence, JP claimed meritocracy was the sole reason for the overwhelming Jewish dominance of our cultural institutions. I thought then that he was a coward and have seen nothing recently to change my mind on that issue.

    RU became a hero to my mind after I read his classic The Myth of American Meritocracy.

    This essay should be required reading for anyone wanting to understand what has happened to the USA.

  18. Anon[743] • Disclaimer says:

    Great piece EMJ! Always wondered who stove piped Benny to the top.

    • Replies: @The Real World
  19. I’m old enough to remember when my Palestinian /American Professor of Islam at Temple being murdered in his Cheltenham township home. I believe his wife and daughter also suffered injuries. He was quite outspoken about the existence of the state of Isearel. An Indonesian student was later convicted of the crime, and subsequently died in prison.

    I had him for a survey course in Western civ, he was one of the most brilliant lecturers I had the pleasure of hearing speak. Being Temple U, it was mostly pearls before swine, Phila public HS grads, lol. Minds filled with Catholic things. Oh noes! did Professor just say all the Romans did was build a few roads? There were other civilizations before Rome? Who Knew?

    Reading Ron Unz’ takes on having a bias to normal thought upended, I have started to wonder about this crime in the same manner.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismail_al-Faruqi

    • Replies: @Rich
  20. Thanks for a good laugh, Dr Jones.
    And a thorough debunking of charlatan Peterson.

    Not just a charlatan.
    An openly for-sale charlatan, plenty of them around.
    Why the Jews exhibit such chutzpah … contempt for goyim cattle …

    Of course he is bound to respond to your challenge.
    Isn’t he ? LOL.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
  21. @Anonymous

    Catholicism and its “Church” was invented 200 years before Christ. That said, I believe anything can be re-formed by Logos, the Word. However, the most important re-formation must be the lingering paganism of the Trinity and its origin the temple of Apollo.
    The Black Pope will never allow it, too much wordly lust for wealth and power, so we all must wait for Jesus’ return when he will say: I never told you, or inferred, I was His son.

    • LOL: Emslander
  22. zumbuddi says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Anonymous wrote: “keep grace Protestant/Evangelical Christianity JBP flirts with is the antithesis of historical/liturgical Christianity

    **Historical** is an important modifier, and Yes, it is “more genuine” than evangelical.
    Parsing the biblical texts did not become a ‘thing’ for centuries; frankly, it has done little to improve the stature of Christianity. Quite the opposite.

    As for EMJ’s “fanaticism” and silviosilver’s original critique about “the descent into theological babble,” I agree with silviosilver, and the first part of the “transcript” was comedy genius. Kudos, EMJ.

    EMJ is an academic who worked hard to master Greek and philosophy; it is his strong suit; it’s what he has to offer the world.

    I grew up intensely Catholic and never thought the philosophical underpinnings were what motivated Jesus. I miss the old liturgy.

    • Replies: @c matt
  23. @One Nobody

    [56] Abraham your father rejoiced that he might see my day: he saw it, and was glad. [57] The Jews therefore said to him: Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? [58] Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am. [59]

  24. anon[299] • Disclaimer says:

    One of the worst pieces I have ever skimmed on Unz

    • Agree: Hulkamania, acementhead
    • Replies: @Tony Hall
  25. Che Guava says:

    Happy New Year y’all.

    I also enjoyed EMJ’s intro.

  26. @Stozi

    The Jews in Apartheid Israhell didn’t get the real jabs. They got saline water.

    http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2020/03/07/the-dirty-secrets-behind-covid-19/

    • Replies: @Clarity
  27. @Dream

    Not only welfare, they scam the system in the workplace as well. They stand around speaking in their foreign gibberish, ALL DAY LONG! And you wonder to yourself: “why are they not getting write ups?” Of course we know the answer, they’re not White.

    • Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
  28. This represents a remarkable historical resource. Many thanks to Moishe.

    • Agree: Pierre de Craon
  29. Yoyo says:

    Trans Jordan Peterson

    • LOL: Zane
  30. Anonymous[223] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    So liturgical is more genuine than biblical?

    There was only one church for 1500 years*. The Catholic Church and her liturgy existed prior to even the writing of the Gospels. And of course it was the Catholic Church which infallibly determined the canon of scripture (e.g., thumbs up on the Gospel of John and thumbs down on the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary, etc.).

    *While the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ in 33 AD, the Orthodox Church is also part of the True Church but sadly East and West are in schism for now. The Orthodox Church is the only other church which the Catholic Church views as legitimate with real sacraments. But still, Ss. Peter and Paul went to Rome, not Constantinople.

    • Thanks: Emslander
    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  31. SteveK9 says:

    I wish there were more places I could post a link to this.

  32. @Stozi

    One of his latest on YT is titled “The Importance Of Morality”. This was made presumably before he trousered little Ben’s shekels.

  33. Jordan Peterson’s meteoric rise from clean-up-your-room expert to Logos explicator is a classic example of the Peter Principle: people get promoted to their level of incompetence.

  34. Whether by Theogony or anything else, Ancient Greek paganism has tales of cosmogony too, the same way Abrahamic mythology does, and there’s no certainty about any ideas Aristotle or others might’ve held on such issue, since their ancient rants didn’t focus on the issue of primordial creation by divinity or otherwise, but rather on organising what already is. Furthermore, if official historiography is to be regarded, the builders of pyramids from Egypt to Central America had to have an idea or two about science to pull off such works, and in the very cradle of Jew-Christian-Islamic syncretism, pagan Phoenicians seem to have fared better at technical sophistication for their time period than those enlightened by the Jew god. Even then, Mohammendans too did better in the Middle Ages; Catholic Crusaderism, with cannibalism and all, coincided with the flourishing and significant contributions in, precisely, fields like mathematics and philosophy during the “golden age” of Islamic expansionism.

    Making it sound like medieval Catholic primacy was some sort of milk and honey utopia only helps to bolster the Jew’s position as birthers of the abortion of Christianity and victims of persecution by Christians.

    Alas, it’s precisely because of that very relativist scholastic background, where everything good is such because of god and the godly, and all bad the fault of the ungodly, of modern academia that today we’ve gotta suffer the existence of academics like that Peterson character idolising and fawning over stuff like eternal Holocaust victimhood like some crucified Jew from thousands of years ago.

    • Replies: @paranoid goy
  35. That E Michael Jones would pen a criticism of Jordan Peterstein’s understanding of Logos (along with the typical failed attempts at humor from Jones), when Jones himself has demonstrated a total lack of understanding of the Christian Logos himself, demonstrates all too common papist hypocrisy.

    In related papist news, the pederast former-pope Ratzinger, revered by low IQ papist conspiracy theorist Jones, is finally dead.

    Ratzinger is most well known for his act of open apostasy in the Blue Mosque, when he offered an ecumenical prayer to the papist/Islamic/judaic concept of the god of generalized monotheism. He is also well known for his pederastic tendencies, gawping at the gyrations of all the various young homosexual dancers who were hired to entertain him on the Satanic Vatican grounds.

  36. Agent76 says:

    DEC 21, 2022 CJPME: EXPEL ISRAEL’S AMBASSADOR TO SEND A MESSAGE TO ISRAEL’S FAR-RIGHT GOVERNMENT

    Montreal, December 21, 2022 — With the announcement of the formation of Israel’s 37th government, Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East (CJPME) is calling on the Canadian government to expel the Israeli ambassador to demonstrate that it is distancing itself from Israel’s new far-right regime.

    https://www.cjpme.org/pr_2022_12_expel_ambassador

    May 18, 2021 Message from Gaza massacre survivor Riyad Eshkuntana TRT TV, 18 May 2021

  37. geokat62 says:

    Excerpt from Andrew Joyce’s The Necessity of Anti-Semitism:

    … the Culture of Critique is not a declaration of open war, but the pursuance of war disguised as friendship, as medicine, as liberation. Boas tore down Western cultural confidence while claiming to set Westerners free from the errors and burdens of chauvinism. Freud perverted everything that was sacred about sex and marriage, and called it a cure. Marx called on the workers of the world to unite, and unite them he did — in the lines for food, in the gulags, and in the mass graves of a starved Ukraine. War has been noisily and bloodily waged, but it has been only silently and subversively declared.

    And still they wage it, even if they’ve already toppled “everything that people respect and venerate.” The churches are infiltrated, vanquished, mocked and disdained. The history of Christianity has been put through the Jewish intellectual meat grinder, and emerges today only as a tale of persecutions and slavery. It is a shell, co-opted for endless tolerance. Even discounting religion, no notable Western historical figure has survived the Culture of Critique. And when our uniquely insightful Jewish helpers tired of toppling reputations, they used their ethnic proxies to start toppling statues, removing names, and burning portraits. No aspect of Western culture was to be left standing. Its science, philosophy and moral systems were mocked, derided, and savaged, with every sonnet, concerto, and technological innovation leading obscurely but somehow definitely to a World War II camp in Poland where to this day, we are earnestly told, no birds sing.

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2019/09/27/the-necessity-of-anti-semitism/

  38. This was a good article for a laugh until the twisted explanation of the creation in Genesis. All these people that try to make a living twisting the definition of words are not worth reading. That goes for Jordan Peterson and E Michael Jones as well. I read Genesis and I understand it quite well without the garbage Jones and Peterson throw in.

    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @Dave hicks
  39. @Wubbawubba

    Why not? East Indians of a good caste are intelligent folks. If whites allow their women into worksplace, why a sane person would put into his work more mental effort than a woman woud?

    • Replies: @Dream
  40. Is saying this is as true as Wiesel’s Night really a good recommendation? I under stand that book to be at least partially fiction. I never heard of a girl traveling with a pack of wolves to the rescue of her parents in Auschwitz, but that also sounds like a crock. Not a very trust-building start.

    • LOL: Emslander
    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
    , @Anon
  41. @Arthur MacBride

    A. B.>. Peterson, whom I believe is sincere, is nonetheless done in by weakness and his barely beta male status. Outside of the academy, the Real World crushes people like him, who neither have the strength of Buddha, or the pugilistic trait of punishment of trespassers. His high pitch nasal voice grates my nerves.

  42. @Dream

    Eating things available at food banks “fills your stomach” BUT will ultimately shorten your life because what’s on offer has very low nutritional value and lots of additives.

  43. @RedpilledAF

    Peterson is a cuck, and what good he might have to say is buried under mountains of dishonesty. He is like Sean Hannity, only prissier.

    • Agree: RedpilledAF
    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    , @JimDandy
  44. Rich says:
    @Counsel of Bachelor Hamsters

    Of course, your mind being filled with ‘Talmud things’, you were much smarter than your classmates and their ‘Catholic things’ eh? There’s a reason no one at school liked you.

  45. @Jefferson Temple

    Yeah, really should have read a little more before commenting.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  46. Jordan “I Can’t Do It’ Peterson is the dumb shabbos goy’s smart shabbos goy.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  47. Anon[194] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    That’s the joke.

  48. Stephan says:

    How does an Israeli spy release a transcript like this without being caught.
    I can only assume there are a lot of people with access to the script which seems a little sloppy on the Mossad side.

  49. Tony Hall says:
    @anon

    E. Michael Jones is a genuine scholar defending major elements of the Roman Catholic heritage in a time and place so permeated by Jewish culture that it has largely been rendered invisible. Prof. Jones is also a satirist of note, in this instance making his points humorously through a cast of invented characters. It is far beyond the usual level of increasingly conformist narrative usually put before us in this increasingly censored web site. At UR, anything that might be associated with Ron Un’s idea of “anti-vaxx crackpottery” has been pushed to the side. Why? At what cost?

    • Agree: Pierre de Craon
    • Thanks: Emslander
  50. Very clever. Very entertaining. Jewish chatter is hilariously ethnocentric.

    As much as I respect EMJ however, countless non-religious Americans (most of us are former-Christians) are not going to be captivated by his argument which faults Jews (and other non-believers) as the eternal cultural/political outsiders due to their resistance to ‘logos’. This explanation does not wash with agnostics and non-believers. It’s too reliant on worn-out, esoteric myths.

    I, for one, don’t believe in any Jewish Man-God. Sorry. The ‘son of God’ thing does not compute for me. EMJ must confront this modern and widely held view.

    While I do respect the New Testament for (some) of its universal messages, I see all biblical yarns as made-up stories. So let’s get down to brass tacks, shall we?

    EMJ needs to confront the problem of racial differences and racial identity. For instance: Intelligence. Personality. Appearance. These distinctive markers endure. They matter.

    Human variations act as fundamental barriers. Humans are still animals. We have predictable behavior patterns and limitations. Plus, there are ongoing human differences in customs, language, history, and dogma. This list is long. Logos cannot eliminate these profound variabilities. It cannot unify the diverse (and very unequal) human family. Yes, birds of a feather do flock together. This also means that birds (and all animals) do deliberately separate themselves from others of their own species which are unequal, inferior, or too dissimilar. This process is how species (and races) maintain their health and distinctiveness.

    With these facts in mind, it should be noted that human racial preference (i.e., ‘kinship selection’) is a normal and natural mechanism which protects the (tribal, national) gene pool. This is nature at work.

    One of kin selection’s essential by-products is exclusion (i.e., ‘discrimination’.) Jews understand these mechanisms very well. Thus, even as they (Jews) dismantle White racial barriers, they (Jews) deliberately and systematically erect and fortify their own racial barriers against others. Check with the Palestinians about this. They found out the hard way.

    Jews are the masters of genetic domination and genetic subversion. File their shenanigans under ‘survival of the fittest’ via deception and cunning.

    Mystical Christian concepts (such as logos) do not protect a tribe or family from dilution, sabotage, or decline. This fact matters. Kinship selection on the other hand imparts s a genetic dimension to the binding glue of tribe, nationhood, and self-identity. Yet this natural propensity is no longer acknowledged in a positive way (among White gentiles). It’s ‘racist’ (and therefore ‘bad’.)

    But ancestry does matter, as every Jew will attest. The modern Trojan Horse of ‘anti-racism’ is nothing more than a sophisticated canard. It targets racial cohesion among European-descended peoples only.

    Is favoring one’s extended kin (race) inherently evil? Of course not. The ‘Jewish community’ knows this and acts on it each and every day. They work tirelessly for ‘Jewish continuity’. Meanwhile, they use film, education, advertising and TV to glamorize White miscegenation.

    Whites must therefore deconstruct the synthetic taboos which deny healthy racial kinship for European-derived peoples while, at the same time, allowing enormous loopholes (i.e., exceptions) for Jews, ‘minorities’, and others. The double-standards will only assure White dispossession and White decline.

  51. Billy Ash says:

    What are the Canadian words for boring piece of crap?
    BillA

  52. https://gemmaodoherty.com/compilation-of-sudden-deaths-among-athletes-since-rollout-of-injection/

    Thanks for the link to Gemma O’Docherty, Dr Jones.

    Gemma is a tireless fighter and an excellent lady.

  53. See, another clear case of buying a person of interest.

    If you can’t beat them, buy them. Everything and everyone has a price.

    I thought Peterson’s fight against feminism and pronouns was great. but that was it.

  54. @Stephan

    It just means Peterson has outlive his usefulness. They are done with him and he is now garbage that needs to be thrown out.

  55. @Franz

    No, Maat, Me etc. is Dharma or Tao, the Way of all things.

    Heraclitean Logos is almost identical to it, while Christian Logos is something completely different. St. John was onto it, but he, it seems, couldn’t comprehend it fully.
    Logos in Christianity bears uncanny resemblance to the universal trinity one finds in many “high doctrines” all over the world.

    Plotinus

    The One, Good, God

    Universal Intellect, Nous, “Male Principle” – Universal Soul, Psykhe, “Female Principle”

    Kabbalah, Judaism

    Keter, God

    Chokmah, “Male” – Binah, “Female”

    Sufism, Islam

    God, Allah

    Aql-i-Kulli, Universal Mind, “Male” – Nafs-I-Kulli, Universal Soul, “Female”

    Chinese synthesis, Neo-Confucianism

    T’ai Ch’i, God

    Chien, Male- Kun, Female

    Christianity

    God the Father

    Christ, Logos — Spiritus Sanctus

    India, Kashnir

    Paramashiva, God

    Shiva, “Male” – Shakti, “Female”

    Vajrayana Buddhism

    Shunya, Buddha Nature, Source

    Karuna, compassion, “Male” — Prajna, wisdom, “Female”

    • Replies: @Franz
  56. @Hulkamania

    The most protestant countries became the most debauched.

    In the time it took me to write that, 5 new prot denominations were born.

    I just can’t understand how prots still try yo intellectually defend themselves. The Prot Revolt was death knell.

  57. Emslander says:
    @Anonymous

    “Macho/slut teen buffoonery” was probably what got the majority of you guys conceived.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  58. Dream says:
    @Thelma Ringbaum

    Why not? East Indians of a good caste are intelligent folks

    Some people are not IQ nationalists, I guess.

    If whites allow their women into worksplace,

    Pretty much everyone does, not just whites.

    • Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
  59. Emslander says:
    @David Homer

    I read Genesis and I understand it quite well without the garbage Jones and Peterson throw in.

    You must have misread something. Jones was very clearly pointing out that John’s Gospel about creation (“In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God”) linked Genesis to Greek philosophy. It was important for Christians in the first century AD to explain that the brilliance of the thinking in 450 B.C. in Athens was compatible with the God made Man.

    Your hatred for the One True Church obviously blinds you to all sensible discussion in relation to it.

    • Agree: Joe Levantine, Getaclue
    • LOL: RoatanBill
    • Replies: @Goonter
  60. @Franz

    Thank you Franz. An excellent connection you make. Logos to Maat to Jedhi

  61. @geokat62

    Out of tags.

    Thanks, Geokat.
    And for your very many valuable posts.

    Happy New Year 2023.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Pierre de Craon
  62. Shamu says:
    @krm

    He is yet another high IQ guy in the Anglosphere raised to be an agnostic and accept that Anglo-Zionism is the only way of being allowed and that you cannot talk about it, who now is stumbling toward Truth. What about him do you not trust?

    A more important issue is whether ‘Moise’ converted to the silly Novus Ordo/Vatican II handmaiden to Liberalism or to actual Catholicism, which is Latin Mass Traditionalism.

  63. SteveK9 says:

    The introduction was hilarious. For the rest, I’m afraid I can never make sense of Jones … or Peterson. No matter how many times he says the word ‘Logos’ it remains nothing but a word for me. Yes, I know, I am stupid.

    • Replies: @Dube
  64. Zane says:

    ” shtupping shiksas ” ha ha ha. I’m loving it.

  65. geokat62 says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    Thanks and Happy New Year to you too, Arthur.

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
  66. @Swaytonious

    The most protestant countries became the most debauched

    Not really. Papist France and Brazil are much worse than anything you’ll find in Denmark or whatever. The only real problem with protestantism was that it wasn’t protestant enough, so it uncritically adopted much of flawed papist theology.

    The hierarchy of religions are thus:

    1. Orthodox Christianity
    2. The better branches of protestantism
    3. Islam
    4. Various Asian crap like Buddhism
    5. The worse branches of protestantism
    .
    .
    .
    N+1. Judaism and papism tied for last place, both being equally satanic

  67. Mac_ says:

    Though some points in the article to consider seeing through jive, yet keeps the frame always between their fake limits. There was not ‘one greece or rome. Places had many cultures over time. Their false frame, the double cons monothiesm relig and ‘govt state, centuries scheme destroy earth, which was our infinity -was. The old plan to destroy most, down to limited area, but since electronics, total. They despise nature because is spirit, (logos hint but then steers to mono con). Destruction done beyond what recognize, no ice, no cold no sky no fish no us. No ‘fix’ and no ‘coming back’ when die anymore. People way too casual.

    On us to stop, in-migration, ‘building’, gmos corn soy, poison ’roundup’. Proof mono relig con to destroy, ‘earth pass away’ n ‘new earth’ taunt by psychos, ‘new’ only means different, can also mean dead. Their dream, concrete, robots, nano themselves. The mono con and govt state same, ‘obey’. Suggest note questions. Some points in article but mono has to go. ‘converted to katholic is to feed their con. Can’t stop the cons until stop ‘obeying’ cons, mono and state.

    Also think they’re all fronts, including bibi. Keep people ‘watching’ so people fail to focus where we live.

    p.s. Priss at fifty one, been a while since saw page, image at top, thought best ever first time saw. And decent quotes etc, hadn’t seen this –
    “To be an enemy to America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal.” — Henry Kissinger
    Based, appreciate link.

  68. Shamu says:
    @Hulkamania

    What absolute stupidity. Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism are actually the same religion. The former is that of the Eastern Roman Empire and the latter of the Western Roman Empire. The basic divisions are all based on those two parts to the Roman Empire.

    Protestantism is another religion, one so steeped in Judaizing that it cannot help but produce endless Phil;osophical and moral perversion.

    • Replies: @Hulkamania
  69. @Jefferson Temple

    Yeah, [I] really should have read a little more before commenting.

    An excellent New Year’s resolution—and one that a great many other folks, not excluding myself on occasion, might profit from making.

    Happy New Year to you, JT, as well as to all my other fellow scratchers in the sand.

    • LOL: Jefferson Temple
    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  70. @Stephan

    It’s a satirical piece, ese…

    E. Michael Jones is going senile, and this type of creative writing is I guess what passes for leisure in his delusional, angry world.

  71. @Arthur MacBride

    Seconded in every detail! A very Happy New Year to both of you!

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
  72. FKA Max says: • Website
    @mark green

    You are spot on. Genetics are upstream from culture, and culture is upstream from politics.

    Genopolitics https://www.unz.com/isteve/is-the-cia-competent-enough-to-pull-off-psy-ops/?showcomments#comment-5282954 is the next and new frontier of scientific and social/spiritual/political inquiry, even transcends and trumps ethnocentrism, and is the reason why Israel is already a failed state, because there is a civil war going on between liberal (high dopamine and high estrogen) Jews and conservative (high serotonin and high testosterone) Jews:
    Hi-tech Leaders Warn Netanyahu’s Education Policies Will Make Israel a ‘Failed State’
    decision to substantially boost public funding for ultra-Orthodox institutions which don’t teach math or English could jeopardize the human capital required to maintain a modern knowledge economy https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-12-20/ty-article/.premium/hi-tech-leaders-fear-netanyahus-education-policies-will-turn-israel-into-failed-state/00000185-2fef-dcac-a185-bfef6b800000

    The same applies to the U.S. and any other country, but since the U.S. is much less densely populated than Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density we can actually avoid each other physically/spacially more easily and therefore the risk of a (hot) civil war is much lower here than in Israel, for example. As you can see in the following map, EMJ who lives in Indiana, which is a Builders or serotonin-dominated state, embodies exactly those character traits “tend to be traditional, conventional and cautious (but not scared); they observe social norms.” Whereas you as a non-traditional or non-religious American probably live either in a dopamine or estrogen dominated state; “Yes, birds of a feather do flock together“, indeed:

    FOUR NATURAL FORMS OF INTELLIGENCE – U.S. Geographic Distribution
    https://helenfisher.com/personality/ or https://archive.ph/IQkSw

    This map shows the responses of 39,913 American men and women who took the Fisher Temperament Inventory on the dating site, Chemistry.com, a subsidiary of Match. The group’s average age was 37; 56.4 % were women; 89% were heterosexual. Explorers (dopamine/yellow) were 26% of the participants; Builders (serotonin/royal blue) were 28.6%; Directors (testosterone/red) were 16.3%; and Negotiators (estrogen/green) were 29.1% of the participants. Data were analyzed by state. For example, those in California who took this test primarily expressed the traits in the dopamine system; they were, foremost, high-dopamine Explorers.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  73. A few years ago I found my son had a copy of Jordan Peterson’s recent book. Something about 12 rules for a good life… or something like that. So I asked to borrow it and began reading. When Peterson made a bloated comment that the Holocaust was the central event in all of human history I closed the book and dismissed him as a cuck and a fraud.

    • Replies: @Dave hicks
    , @Richard B
  74. BSDN says:

    There is only one problem with all this, regardless of the problems with J. Petersen.
    That is to say WADR to Dr. Jones, the Roman church unfortunately/essentially believes that John 1:1 reads:
    In the beginning was the Eucharist and the Eucharist was with God and the Eucharist was God.

    Rather the Logos tells us in Heb. 10:10, 12 that Christ offered himself “once for all”; that he “offered one sacrifice for sins for ever”.
    IOW Done. Finished. For ever. No more.

    Which is why there was such a thing as the Protestant Reformation.
    With/for good reason (logos).
    Transubstantiation/resacrifice of Christ in the Roman mass is a perversion of Christian doctrine/dogma/truth/logos/what Christ accomplished at Calvary/Scripture.

    As to the other objections, yes, to whom much is given, much is required, which arguably explains the declension of Prot countries as compared to . . . Roman?
    Maybe not.

    That Dr. Jones’s critique of Dr. Petersen according to the Logos may be correct, but that does not prove Romanism is faithful to the Logos, whatever she may claim to the contrary.

    cheers,

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  75. @Emslander

    “Macho/slut teen buffoonery” was probably what got the majority of you guys conceived.

    LOL. I think you may have struck a nerve here.

    I watched the video with the uncomfortable fascination that comes of a man’s being reminded of something from his youth that he thought (and hoped) had sunk without trace. After I noticed that no two of the kids were doing quite the same steps (i.e., what there were of actual steps), what next struck me was the sight of, first, one couple nearest the camera, then another, then yet another, deciding to move upstage between the columns of boys and girls. Did they do this on their own impulse, I wonder, or was the producer behind the rudimentary choreography?

    The point is that this particular pattern of movement is precisely what occurs in performing a classic polonaise—a dance that was popular for centuries among Europe’s aristocracy simply because, being essentially a “walking dance,” even those (like me) with two left feet or those too old to any longer exert themselves in more strenuous dancing (alas, again like me) could do it without making spectacles of themselves.

    Hmmm. The stroll as a mid-1950s version of the polonaise for déclassé white teens … surely there’s a Ph.D. waiting for some sociology student who can research and write a fifty-thousand-word thesis on this topic—especially if he or she can link it to white supremacism!

    Happy New Year, Emslander!

    • Replies: @Emslander
  76. Richard B says:
    @Stozi

    In this article we have E. Michael Jones, Jordan Peterson, Bibi and Ben, Will Herberg, William F. Buckley, Greek philosophical thought, Hebrew historical narrative, The Book of Genesis, The Gospel of St. John, the Blessed Mother, Heraclitus, Descartes, John Maynard Keynes, Locke, Spinoza, Fichte, Hegel, The Church Fathers, The Trinity, Thomas Aquinas, Albertus Magnus, Hesiod’s theogony, God and, of course, Logos.

    All of the above come to the reader as words spoken or written that discuss matters that can be reduced to two things – Explanation and Interpretation (linguistic and historical).

    Both Jones and Peterson discuss Logos by presenting their monolithic interpretations as truths (stated in the case of Jones, implied in the case of Peterson). So? Well, so, at no point is there any mention of a theory of historical interpretation.

    The reason for that is because a theory of historical interpretation depends on a theory of interpretation. And a theory of interpretation depends on a theory of meaning. A theory of meaning depends on a theory of language, and a theory of language depends on a theory of explanation. And a theory of explanation depends on a theory of behavior, verbal and nonverbal. Which in the end is all there is, human behavior. And now we’re back to interpretation. Because interpretation is a mode of verbal behavior.

    The point is, if Jones and Peterson had any of these theories (but preferably all) in reasonably satisfactory shape before writing or speaking, their thoughts about Logos would be a lot clearer, more interesting, and a lot more honest.

    But, more importantly, if we have these theories in reasonably satisfactory shape we won’t need to depend on these two “experts” to tell us what we would be perfectly capable of discussing with each other. Namely, the hidden assumptions of Jones, Peterson and anyone else who tries to present their interpretation of the world as the ultimate truth, so as to use that truth to control our behavior.

    Fortunately, that day is coming, sooner than later. Happy New Year!

    • Troll: Father Coughlin
  77. Liza says:

    all I can say is that it is every bit as true as holocaust narratives like Elie Wiesel’s memoir Night or Mischa de Fonesca’s incredible story of traveling 900 miles across Europe in a pack of wolves to rescue her parents from Auschwitz.

    I think that should be “Fonseca”.

  78. Liza says:
    @Anonymous

    Men doing that step strikes me as faggy somehow. JMO.

  79. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Addendum:
    Higher serotonin levels, like in EMJ’s case, actually make a person more deontological and less utilitarian:
    Can pills change our morals?
    https://thinkneuroscience.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/can-pills-change-our-morals/ or https://archive.is/LGNhw
    the SSRI made people significantly less likely to say it is morally acceptable to kill one person to save many others, especially in those emotionally salient personal scenarios. In other words, the drug made people less utilitarian. […] Pause for a moment and consider that the debate between utilitarians and deontologists has been raging for hundreds of years. Yet we were able to shift people’s judgments, from more utilitarian to more deontological, by manipulating their brain chemistry. Could the difference between Hume and Kant boil down to a few chemicals in their brains? And what implications might this have for other ethical questions? […] preliminary work suggests we ought to cultivate a healthy skepticism towards our own sense of right and wrong – it may well be vulnerable to factors below our awareness and beyond our control.

  80. @BSDN

    Rather the Logos tells us in Heb. 10:10, 12 that Christ offered himself “once for all”; that he “offered one sacrifice for sins for ever”.
    IOW Done. Finished. For ever. No more.

    Oy. This is why Prooftexting 101 is a noncredit course.

    “One sacrifice” means one bloody sacrifice. Does this really have to be explained? And are you unaware of the existence of Lk 19:22 and I Cor 11:24? What about Jn 6:48–58?

    Few things are as clear as the doctrine of the Eucharist, especially as regards its perpetuation in fact, not simply in recollection, of Christ’s actions at the Last Supper of giving his flesh to the Twelve under the veil of bread and wine.

  81. JimDandy says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    I remember they were clearly going to destroy him. And then he came out of nowhere with an attack on Kevin MacDonald. A lot changed.

  82. @Pierre de Craon

    Yes, PdC, maybe I should refrain from commenting indefinitely. Happy New Year to you and yours.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  83. Dube says:
    @SteveK9

    No matter how many times he says the word ‘Logos’ it remains nothing but a word for me.

    That’s an humble admission, and a creditable act of intelligence, as an appeal.

    I’ll offer a simplified history of the term. You might say the earliest sense is of change ocurring within a pattern, or rationale, which Heraclitus called logos. The later Stoics considered this pattern to be generative, indeed divine.

    The apostle John wrote of Jesus in 1:1 of his Gospel: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” In the original text, the term Word is Logos.

    John explains further (1:14) “And the Word [Logos] became flesh, and dwelt among us….”

    The term logos has variations, but here I hope is a useful start.

  84. @Shamu

    Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism are actually the same religion.

    Proving you know nothing of either religion. Are you a papist? I have found that most papists are willfully ignorant of the satanic pederast cult they follow.

  85. Franz says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Absolutely yes to Plotinus. And his logos was most certainly Ma’at.

    There is some argument in Egyptian Light and Hebrew Fire by Luckert that I want to agree with, but he loads the deck too much toward Israel and his Egyptian is only so-so. He is close tho.

    On the other hand, Prince and Picknell’s book Forbidden Universe actually nails it. They note (as Jan Assmann only does in passing) that Plotinus and a few other neo-Platonists were trying desperately to use Greek philosophy as a vehicle to save some of the elder traditions of Egypt.

    Your nod to Shiva is right too. Egyptian King Thutmose II conquered the Mittani War Axe people at the great bend of the Euphrates. Thutmose’ son married a Mittani princess.

    Recent archeological digs show beyond a doubt Mittani were a Vedic people. A very primitive figurine of Shiva was found at the site, so there is no doubt Egyptian would have brought some of those ideas into their world.

    Like Rome, Egypt was good at assimilating new ideas.

  86. rb 55555 says:

    Marshall McLuhan stated ‘the Egyptians gave us mathematics, the Greeks democracy and the Jews gave us god’. Israel is paying JP cucks to retain the Christ edifice in front of Judaism to hide their bankrupt ‘religious community’ project to rob the world/West… anyone who mentions god outside home or church community has little conception of science or public debate — spirit is a private domain except where highly refined and subjective — the logos of reason is the foundation of science, actually the original democratic achievement detailed so brilliantly by Plato — check out Plotinus for exact arguments here about origins … Jordan P. is so without depth as article identifies and now sides with the 1%…

    in balance though, the world is waking up… 99% of adult citizens potentially demanding their life and common rights, including to participating in wealth generation via citizen assemblies holding full accountability over traditional/digital bureaucracies/elites… with no more ***** private finance…!

  87. Rat City says:

    The skit was great. And like him or not, JP sure got those wingnuts’ knickers in a twist. Credit where credit is due. Beyond that I’d rather listen to a bunch of knuckleheads argue about sports. Open a window or something.

  88. @Jefferson Temple

    … maybe I should refrain from commenting indefinitely.

    I hope you won’t make so extreme a decision. The belief, going back to the Greeks, that wisdom is most often to be found in the aurea mediocritas, the golden mean, has a great deal to be said for it.

    • Thanks: Jefferson Temple
    • Replies: @geokat62
  89. @mark green

    While I agree with your excellent post, I find it imperative to point out that Logos transcends and exceeds human preoccupation with matters of race which are basically matters of survival.

    When EMJ claims that racialism is a construct of the mind rather than reality, he supports his argument by pointing out that before Blacks became a factor in Western societies, nobody spoke of a White race. While I agree with EMJ’s contention, I nonetheless disagree with him about the reality of race when it comes to the supremacy of human preoccupation with survival among all human endeavours, which is highly correlated with preserving what makes an individual unique with a strong sense of identity and belonging, primarily the preserving of race and culture.

    Still the idea of Logos from a pure philosophical perspective can be a universal tenet, for non believers, as hard as they may have tried to deny the Creator as the origin of all, they have failed miserably. EMJ’s Logos Rising puts an antithesis to all creative ways of denying the Creator that I am still waiting to see how the likes of Richard Dawkins could riposte to it.

    So could someone be a devout Christian or a believer in Logos and a racist at the same time. I say yes, provided that the Christian’s racism does not translate into an exploitative attitude towards other races, like the historic modus operandi of European colonialism and Jewish supremacism. Had that been the case, Black Africans might have been left to their own tribal ways and would never have become part of what should have been purely White societies. The Confucian/Taoist Chinese have traditionally acted like true racists but they avoided the pitfalls of colonialism with its resulting mixing of races, never intermarrying with Africans while calling the relatively backward White Europeans “barbarians”. But the reality check struck the Chinese by the 18th century when European advancements in science and technology were edging ahead of those of the Chinese civilisation.

    So any human who chooses Logos as his guiding light will not commit injustice against any other human, irrespective of differentiations of race, ethnicity or colour. As for those who deny Logos, they incur a higher chance of going the slippery slope of extinguishing or compromising that most important factor that differentiate humans from the animal world in our common struggle for survival, and that is conscience. Thus for Logos deniers who do not believe in the after world, the soul and the orderly cosmos, one is to use any means of satisfying his earthly desires, for everything ends with the death of the body.

    • Thanks: mark green
    • Replies: @silviosilver
  90. @Icy Blast

    The kind of audience that JP typically addresses is at best lukewarm to religion. Preach dogma to them, and their eyes glaze over. I would really think this is obvious. But if you take some element of Christianity and present it in a way that says “you don’t have to believe in Christianity, but Christian thinkers are onto something important here, it’s not all a load of baloney,” that softens the audience up. Some of them are likely to later take a deeper interest in their ancestral faith. (Well, technically, whites have been non-Christian for much longer than they’ve been Christian, but you know what I mean.)

    You’re right that I’m not in a position to appreciate how brilliant EMJ’s analysis of JP’s position on Logos is. But that’s irrelevant. I didn’t say EMJ is wrong to attack JP’s position. I said it’s ironic that JP is likely to do more to spark new interest in Christianity in spite of his incorrect understanding than EMJ with his correct (I’ll take your word for it) dogmatic understanding.

    Please note, I am not using “dogma” pejoratively here. That is simply how the Catholic church refers to various of its own teachings.

  91. KenH says:

    I thought Peterson might be ok but then he started attacking white nationalism and claimed that he “saved” thousands of white males from white nationalism. I doubt he could provide a shred of evidence for this claim. I don’t know how Peterson could have “saved” this many white males when Jew Dennis Prager claimed that there were only 400 white nationalists on the globe.

    Jordan Peterson was in a funny farm in Russia for an extended period of time, has thin skin and is prone to fits of crying so younger white males looking for manhood lessons should look elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Thelma Ringbaum
  92. SBaker says:
    @mark green

    A well reasoned and common sense assessment by a person with some knowledge of science. There are a fair number of diseases in the Jewish clan that have a genetic basis. Tay-Sachs disease is just one found with a high prevalence in Ashkenazi jews–1-in-31–carry this recessive gene. Many others exist in the jewish community because of the extensive inbreeding.

  93. Emslander says:
    @mark green

    EMJ had no intention of convincing the atheists of anything. He was simply showing how St. John, who lived and died in Ephesus, united Greek classic philosophy with the story of God made Man. The essay was triggered by Jordan Peterson’s performance in Ephesus.

    You think the Christian world gives a damn about your thoughts. Except in the abstract, it doesn’t. All of you can go your own way.

  94. Emslander says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    I don’t understand why the Stroll would make feel you uncomfortable, Pierre.

    The key to the dance is that it’s NOT choreographed, except in its basic conceptions. I like your coming up with the Promenade dances of France. What a couple did was get to the end of the parallel lines and then took it upon themselves to initiate their individual performances. It was a combination of the Promenade and the Greek line dance, I guess.

    Frankly, I don’t understand what the younger generation uses to initiate the human race part of their lives. It was very easy for us, wearing nice sports coats and the girls in light party dresses. The idea still gets to me. I can feel the crinoline against their lovely wastes. LOL

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  95. @Dream

    Industrilally Successful nations do not do it. Germans and Japanese, for example, do not let their womynfolks work. They resist it, drag their feet. Iranians too.

    Now, if locals are engaged in ruining their own country, by condining this or that harmful policy, why they whine about foreign immigrants not rushing to selflessly work to save it?

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  96. @KenH

    All of you are cruel people of Narcissist Dark Triade, or is it Dark Quadrangle or Dark Pentade already?

    How could you be so mean to JP.

    • LOL: KenH
  97. @Hulkamania

    Though I certainly agree with your take on the RCC, both historically and especially in its current openly masonic homo kike satanist form, there are decent Catholics around, some in this Commentariat.

    Sectarian bitterness, prolonged, achieves the kike agenda of yet more reasons for Euros to hate and even kill their neighbour.

    Northern Ireland is not the model.
    Pre-nakba Palestine is.
    As the west continues its slide into demonism and debauchery, Christmas (banned by kike “communists”) grows ever more popular in Russia.
    Jan 7, next Saturday, is Orthodox (“correct belief”) Christmas Day.

     There is a 40-day Lent preceding Christmas Day, when practicing Christians do not eat any meat. The Lent period ends with the first star in the night sky on January 6 – a symbol of Jesus Christ’s birth. Many Orthodox Christians go to the church to attend a Christmas liturgy that evening

    .
    https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/russia/christmas-day

    Best wishes for a Happy New Year 2023.

  98. @Hulkamania

    Jones has shown little reverence for Ratzinger, taking him to task for his role in Vatican II and his “passive aggressive” personality weaknesses as enabling trends that he openly opposed.

    I am sure we are all agog in anticipation for your own clear and comprehensive explication of “Christian Logos”. By all means, bring the water of wisdom to the thirsty.

  99. Goonter says:
    @Emslander

    I suspect the early Christians hired the Greek scholar St Saul to come give the new religion an intellectual veneer in order to draw pagan converts. Neoplatonism was fashionable among academics, so they imported as much as they could into the religion after the death of Christ.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
    , @Getaclue
  100. @Joe Levantine

    That’s well said and although I do not claim any sophistication when it comes to Logos, it is, at a basic level, the view I take of it. But if that is what you believe, then I’m curious what you “disagreed” with in my earlier post.

  101. geokat62 says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    aurea mediocritas, the golden mean

    That’s in Latin. The original Greek is Πᾶν μέτρον ἄριστον.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  102. I’ve never known what the Greek original was—till now anyway. Thank you. (But I certainly did know that the words I was quoting were Latin!)

  103. @Goonter

    Neoplatonism was fashionable among academics, so they imported as much as they could into the religion after the death of Christ.

    The fact that Neoplatonism flourished some two hundred years after the time of Saint Paul and the Twelve hardly matters, I suppose, when the mood to express your Christophobia descends upon you.

  104. @Emslander

    It wasn’t the stroll that made me uncomfortable. It was the reminder of something I had actively disliked so long ago (viz., the TV program). The sight of Dick Clark also gave me the creeps.

    • LOL: Emslander
    • Replies: @Father Coughlin
  105. anonymous[443] • Disclaimer says:

    Ouch!

  106. @Anon

    Listening to dweebish Shapiro is like fingernails on a chalkboard. Don’t know how anyone can stand it. His audience is probably the low information and low self-esteem types. Next….

  107. folkvangr says:

    About the essence of the Jew (a free paraphrase of Paul Mayer’s poem):

    “I play the games of my mature arrogance, very strange and subtle games, to veil the aims of my Asiatic blood. I drink your springs and I weigh your values. The skin of my soul became glatt under the weight of misdeeds for which I begged atonment. Still my brides rush to me, an outcast of a foreign desert.”

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  108. @silviosilver

    Quote: “ My point was that JP, regardless of how right or wrong his views on Logos are, is more likely to spark renewed interest in Christianity – especially among the irreligious – than musty and lame formulas of preaching Catholic dogma. Get them interested first, you can always work on them later to fit the ‘correct’ mold; and if they never manage to fit it, well, you’re no worse off than you are now.”

    I have been attacked, viciously sometimes, and ridiculed on this site by commenters for claiming that a Christian should abide by the truth for anything that deviates from truth is not in harmony with Logos. Some commenters claimed that the Christian religion is based on a pack of lies. I often brush off such attacks and I attribute them to ignorance or an innate bias against Christianity.

    Jordan Peterson is a pseudo intellectual and a fraud. Just seeing him weep and grovel in front of an Israeli audience is enough to convince me that the man is an opportunist and is not a man of truth. EMJ on the other hand is a very brave and proven intellectual who is uncompromising about his Catholic religious beliefs. Now if EMJ might sound boring or unappealing to young students, well Christianity is what it is, and bending the message as a way to get students interested is not the way to proceed. As a boomer I find EMJ extremely interesting and a fearless revealer of the truth.

    Getting the irreligious interested in Christianity under faulty theories is more of a threat than an opportunity to the faith. This is like when Pope Francis took a stand in favour of marriage for all through a public declaration on a flight while chatting with journalists, rather than through the Magisterium, to get gay people interested in Christianity. This amounts to cheap marketing that is designed to deceive rather than inform.

    Either one accepts the tenets of the Christian religion and abides by them or he/she stays out. All the Catholic women who committed abortion found their solace from their feeling of guilt by denouncing their Christian beliefs for as EMJ points out, abortion is a fundamental Jewish right. Christianity will always accept the re-entry of the apostates or the sinners into the fold as long as they repent. They cannot have it both ways.

    • Agree: Rich
  109. @folkvangr

    What is the name of the poem? (And who is Paul Mayer? Googling suggests a “nobody”, so I’m guessing either that is some outstanding paraphrase, or else he is a criminally underrated talent.)

    • Replies: @folkvangr
  110. Kylee D says: • Website

    Sounds like the usual anti-semitic drivel written for people who claim Israel is personally oppressigng them and is also trying to kill or enslave all the goy. So they are going to tell everyone how evil the Jewish people are and how they slandered poor Hitler.

  111. Clarity says:

    Cool story bro. I mean “Moishe”. Quite an active imaginary you have there.

  112. folkvangr says:
    @silviosilver

    Well, thank you. Please mind that I only paraphrased part of the poem and instead of “my brides” it should be “your brides” lol.

    Paul Mayer’s poems were published in “Die Aktion”, German literary and political magazine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Aktion)

    You can find some more in 1913 pdf copy here: (German)

    https://ia601306.us.archive.org/14/items/DieAktion03jg1913/DieAktion03jg1913.pdf

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  113. “We deserve some respect. You deserve some respect.

    You are important to other people, as much as to yourself. You have some vital role to play in the unfolding destiny of the world.

    You are, therefore, morally obliged to take care of yourself. You should take care of, help and be good to yourself the same way you would take care of, help and be good to someone you loved and valued.

    You may, therefore, have to conduct yourself habitually in a manner that allows you some respect for your own being—and fair enough. But every person is deeply flawed. Everyone falls short of the glory of God.

    If that stark fact meant, however, that we had no responsibility to care, for ourselves as much as others, everyone would be brutally punished all the time. That would not be good. That would make the shortcomings of the world, which can make everyone who thinks honestly question the very propriety of the world, worse in every way. That simply cannot be the proper path forward!”
    JP

    Jordan is flavor of the month for the uninspired, and speaking with Bibi was a analysis by JP, to actually “read” the leader of ZOG directly.
    Many levels to this man, most comments above barely scratch the surface of our best philosopher since Marshall Mac,
    Just how any man like Jordan can grow in the shadow of the Empire of Lies is remarkable!
    His take downs of leftists are classics.
    🇨🇦 GLG

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  114. A “good sense” of humor is always respectable and “Moshe” obviously has a good grip on the world processor moving forward. Lord knows E. Michael Jones has a better grasp on the epistemological reality being based on education in the classics, and having written a complete book on the idea which obviously has legs.

    Psychologically, when Peterson makes an unmitigated hash of his arguments, pretending to know something about what he seems to think he knows, posturing in front of a Roman Era (or earlier?) Public Forum to YouTube back to project his “REallY BiG ShoE” to the YouTube Goy…..oy vie….we can only hand it to back to E. Michael, right Bibi?

  115. “Are you a papist? I have found that most papists are willfully ignorant of the satanic pederast cult they follow.”

    Last time I did the numbers, not even 1% of the priests or clergy in general engage in molesting children. And that included unsubstantiated allegations. The Boston article was premised on a boat load of unsupported assumptions.

    The mere speculation of why x priest had been transferred or was missing from said parish — was unsupported conjecture.

  116. For those of you conflating Jewishness to Christian ethos and practice —

    Jesus never calls anyone to become a jew. He never calls anyone to the Torah. He never calls anyone to the Talmud. His one reference is to jews that they obey the leadership, but avoid their example.

    Might be equated to christians who should follow him in spite of the poor examples of christian leaders. but he never says, come unto the Torah, the Talmud, that ye might be saved.

    The constant jew blaming and by extension linking the faith and practice of christians is just fluff and top loaded with scriptural references out of context and this

    it absolutely robs citizens of the US of their own agency.

  117. BDC says:

    In parochial school I was taught that God has three primary characteristics:
    1. Omnipotent (All-Powerful).
    2. Omnipresent (Universal, Everywhere).
    3. Omniscient (All-Knowing). …
    If God is All-Knowing, how can there be free will?
    (Such would mean that our future is known, ergo not free willed.)
    One way (necessity): No need to know.
    Logos is Sentient Harmony with God.

  118. @Anonymous

    The leaked conversation gave me a much needed good laugh – thank you, Dr Jones.

    The most creepily plausible part of the (alleged) recording was the notion that Mossad actually has photographs of Jordan Petersen’s bedroom.

  119. (((Ralston College))) that Jordan is Chancellor of:

    Their college motto is “Free Speech is Life Itself”. I kid you not. Didn’t Abbie Hoffman say that? Or was it Lenny Bruce?

    And the Board of Visitors?? All I can say is E.S.T.

  120. unfortunately the footnoted YouTube links are all to the original video. Somebody needs to go through and find the exact quotes in this hugely long speech. Here is one of the most preposterous claims of JP:

    Is he just all gobbledygook all the time? What a great idea from the Jews to answer Jones: Take logos and flummox everybody so Jones’ message is obscured.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    , @Richard B
  121. @mark green

    So because I don’t believe in x, I can’t believe that y attacks z because of z’s belief in x?

  122. @Swaytonious

    1-Protestant Holland was the first country to legalize faggotry.
    2-There are some areas of the Midwest where the towns were founded in the 18th century by different colonies of German-speakers. To this day the Catholic towns are in better shape than the Protestant towns. Granted all small town America today is leaking oil. But the Protestant towns are more drug riddled and full of vice, dilapidated and ugly.

  123. Mad Doc says:
    @mark green

    I disagree with you because your argument is based on the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution is impossible because something cannot come from nothing. Everything in our world has been created ab initio, by God who has always existed.

    • Replies: @mark green
  124. @MacOisdealbhtoo

    I listened to the talk yesterday, after reading this article. Unsurprisingly, I thought JP made numerous excellent points, as he usually does. But also as usual, some statements that really strain credulity. Eg “We know perfectly well, perfectly well, that that’s a pathway to hell. And you might say, ‘well, I don’t believe in hell,’ and I would say that means you don’t know anything!” Why be so emphatic about that point? It makes you sound unhinged. Nothing would have been lost by merely saying “We know perfectly well that’s a pathway to a living hell,” and it would have avoided the inevitable eye-rolling.

    Is it fair to accuse JP of not knowing what he’s talking about when it comes to Logos? Well, logos is essentially a conjecture that you have to accept on faith, so claims that someone has an incorrect opinion on it are impossible to prove except with reference to what other people have already said about it. So in that sense it’s fair to say JP is wrong (if indeed he is, which I don’t know enough to say so). Catholics have a special reason to jealously guard their teachings on it against contamination, and they can claim that what Catholic thinkers in antiquity said about it was divinely inspired. But what about non-Catholic thinkers? Presumably they weren’t divinely inspired and they had quite a lot to say about logos. Well, if they were allowed to speak freely about it then why can’t JP? Who cares if his understanding differs from theirs? From a secular perspective, it shouldn’t matter at all.

  125. @FKA Max

    Re ‘Incel Messiah’. Rollo Tomassi is peddling his own ‘wisdom’ to the same crowd. I guess he’s upset by the competition.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  126. @folkvangr

    Thanks. You could have saved me some time by providing the poem’s title you know, but I managed to track it down all the same. 🙂

    Yes, “your” brides makes much more sense, though when I read it I thought the yids have so many varying streams, so many qualifications and exceptions, that you never really know, lol.

    I enjoyed your paraphrase very much. Should you use it again, may I suggest a couple of amendments to make it flow slightly more smoothly (imho) in English? (In bold)

    “I play the games of my mature arrogance, very strange and subtle games, to veil the aims of my Asiatic blood. I drink of your springs and weigh your values. My soul’s crust is smoothed under the weight of misdeeds for which I seek atonement. Still your brides rush to me, an outcast of a foreign desert.” [“Beg” sounds better than “seek,” but one does not really “beg” for atonement, although poetically it could be used.]

    Is there any chance you could translate or paraphrase more of the poem?

    My own attempt at a couple of stanzas (taking some liberties or simply mistranslating, since I don’t speak German):

    You sit tranquil by your woolly flocks,
    with sacred ardor plow the clod bequeathed you,
    while I slake the yearnings of my wanderlust with song.

    Now and again you tear at my frock and poke at my wounds,
    and I but reach for my walking stick and am free,
    and I rejoice because I am not bound like you.

    (If anyone cares, the poem is Ahasvers Froelich Wanderlied – something like “The Wandering Jew’s Song of Joy”)

    • Replies: @folkvangr
  127. Hibernian says:
    @BDC

    (Such would mean that our future is known, ergo not free willed.)

    That is a fallacy, and the basis of Calvinism. Along with the notion that free will is incompatible with God’s omnipotence.

    • Replies: @BDC
  128. @geokat62

    Comment no. 106 was written in reply to your comment linked here. Through inadvertence, however, I failed to hit Reply before writing it. Mea culpa.

    • Thanks: geokat62
  129. @Mad Doc

    I disagree with you because your argument is based on the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution is impossible because something cannot come from nothing. Everything in our world has been created ab initio, by God who has always existed.

    I think that you may misunderstand me. I reject the Jewish man-God myth. I do not categorically reject the notion of ‘God’–whatever that may mean.

    As for Darwin, his theory of evolution concerns the gradual change and emergence of separate species. It was a theory involving biology and earthly environment–not metaphysics (though it did undermine strict ‘creationism’.)

    In his seminal book, “The Origin of Species”, Darwin does not even use the term ‘evolution’. Like ‘survival of the fittest’ those terms came later. Darwin considered himself and agnostic, not an atheist.

    Darwin coined the term ‘natural selection’ to describe the process of gradual, cross-generational change among living creatures.

    There are countless mysteries about our origins as well as the age/birth/history of our expanding universe. These mysteries may never be solved. For me, God is an unknowable (and unprovable) concept with no fixed meaning. I think that can agree that there’s far more out there than we understand or will ever know. With that in mind, all human stories about God (and his ‘plans’ for humankind) are conjecture.

  130. folkvangr says:
    @silviosilver

    Thank you for your response and sorry for the title. To be honest, at first I took your answer as irony, or at worst as mockery (!), because I didn’t really bother with the accuracy of the translation, much less with poetic perfection.
    With its bottomless multiple meanings, German, unlike French, is actually one of the hardest languages to translate. So, this is the best I could produce for now and as close to the original as I think it is: lol

    “Behold, I am the rootless, the unbound one, and no homesickness narcotic would make my heart skip a beat, for I am a man steeled by suffering.

    Peacefully you sit lulled by your most sacred feelings, or plow your ancestors’ clod, while I cool my wander longing with a song.

    Sometimes you tug me by the frock, or you grieve my wounds, but I reach for the walking stick and rejoice again, for am free and unbound, unlike you.

    You drive me from your thresholds, yet I am the most desired one. Your jealous cries resound while I drink of your springs and judge what you cherish most.

    With a king’s gesture I give you my gifts to decorate your feasts with the best of what I have earned myself.

    The smooth skin of my soul keeps what I begged to redeem, yet my spoils accumulate and thy lovers cheer me, an outcast of a foreign desert.

    As a wise restaurateur, I incite you to vice for edification, yet you think that smoking a pipe after dinner is good for your priceless digestion.

    So I play the game of my mature arrogance, strange and very subtle, to reach the final secret goal of my Asiatic blood.”

    I really enjoyed your poetic transfromation. Thanks!

  131. Seraphim says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Anyone who has participated in a Church service knows that the liturgical texts are exclusively a collection of ‘biblical texts’ which are read or chanted round the liturgical year.

  132. @Pierre de Craon

    What do you mean? An argument could be made to Dick Clark was the smoothest human being alive from 1957 to 1997 or thereabouts. Best presenter/host ever. Bob Costas tries to emulate him but he’s a mere shadow of the master.

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  133. @BDC

    God knows what we will choose in advance but our will is still free.

  134. BDC says:
    @Hibernian

    That’s the point: “One way (necessity): No need to know.”
    There is no other way for both to be true.

    • Replies: @Catdompanj
  135. @Father Coughlin

    It’s too early in the year to argue—well, at least about TV personalities. Besides, I never could stand Bob Costas either.

    When he was at NBC, he was doing play-by-play for some baseball game or other in, I think, the seventies (maybe the early eighties), with Joe Garagiola doing color commentary. I no longer recall why I was watching the game, but I’ll never forget how much I couldn’t bear the sound of his voice and the sheer stupidity of what he said no matter what he was covering. But to get to the point, on this particular day, I could tell that Garagiola was growing as impatient as I was with Costas. Then, for some reason lost in the mists of time, Costas began talking about turning points—specifically, about how every game, in every sport, seems to have a turning point.

    In concluding this ridiculous ramble, Costas says, “So, tell me, Joe, what do you think?” Garagiola, pausing for no more than a second, replies, “Absolutely, Bob; I hear you. When I was playing with the Pirates in the fifties, the turning point of almost every game was the playing of the National Anthem.”

    I still think of Garagiola’s crack as one of the ten funniest things I ever heard anyone say on television. Maybe anywhere, actually.

    Happy New Year.

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  136. Icy Blast says:

    Dr. Jones has given us all a Christmas gift with this funny and very illuminating production. I wish him longevity and good health. I also hope he retains his humility, as befitting a proper Christian. He just might be the most in-demand intellectual in the United States right now, even though respectable types such as Tucker Carlson will never mention his name!

  137. @Pierre de Craon

    Thanks for the anecdote. It illustrates the point that boomers like Costas were basically cargo-culting baseball from the Silent Generation and the Greatest Generation. The Costases and the other wise-guy broadcasters from his generation thought they knew what was good, true and beautiful about baseball. But they could only do cringe, because they were self-absorbed boomers. Only a natural man like Garagiola, who was non-reflective, could authentically *be* baseball.

  138. Getaclue says:
    @Goonter

    LOL- this is so stupid as to really not be worth responding to….Yes, St. Paul took all those beatings, lashings, drownings, imprisonment etc. and finally beheading because? Well he didn’t really believe at all but was “hired” to “give an intellectual veneer”…if you want to know who the stupidest person in the room always is just make sure there’s a mirror.

  139. Clarity says:
    @Doug Ryler

    Then explain the five people (two dead) I knew personally who have had heart attacks in the last 2 years.

    Not saline.

  140. Richard B says:
    @Father Coughlin

    Is he just all gobbledygook all the time? What a great idea from the Jews to answer Jones: Take logos and flummox everybody so Jones’ message is obscured.

    You’re right. That’s obviously what they’re doing. And though it may have worked in the past, it doesn’t work so well anymore. It’s too obvious. Even for them. The gobbledygook is too thick, the claims too preposterous, and the attempt to obsure Jones’ message too transparent (not to mention transparently desperate)

    But also, they’ve repeated the various items in their bag of tricks so often that even those normally not all that interested are beginning to notice. Supremacy Inc. is in free fall.

  141. Richard B says:
    @Father Coughlin

    P.S.

    You responded to my other comment (#79) by simply clicking the Troll option.

    Fair enough. Or, it would have been had you provided an argument. But you didn’t because you can’t. And that makes you the Troll. Obviously. And a coward to boot.

    Looks like someone needs to work on their Catholic virtues. Just as a reminder, they are prudence (wisdom), justice, fortitude (courage), and temperance (self-control).

    Maybe next time you should reflect on your relationship with them before reacting to a comment from me.

  142. The first part of this article brought to mind Philip Roth’s novel ‘Portnoy’s Complaint’ which was hilarious when I read it at age 30. Today, over 60 yrs old, I’ll probably be disgusted by it if I read it again.
    This term “Logos” means many things to many people. To E Michael Jones it means God. According to Wikipedia —
    The sophists used the term to mean discourse. Aristotle applied the term to refer to “reasoned discourse”[8] or “the argument” in the field of rhetoric, and considered it one of the three modes of persuasion alongside ethos and pathos.[9] Pyrrhonist philosophers used the term to refer to dogmatic accounts of non-evident matters. The Stoics spoke of the logos spermatikos (the generative principle of the Universe) which foreshadows related concepts in Neoplatonism.[10]

    Anyway, it’s nice to know that E Michael Jones has a sense of humor.

    • Replies: @c matt
    , @Richard B
  143. c matt says:
    @zumbuddi

    It is similar to that NPC/midwit bell curve meme. Catholicism appeals to the peasant as much to the philosopher. The traditional liturgy and art was there for the simple to appreciate, the philosophical underpinnings for the philosophers to admire. The midwits aren’t sincere enough or smart enough to get it.

  144. c matt says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    Well, I think EMJ’s point is that to the Evangelist John it also meant God. Not sure what the point of Peterson’s lecture was – if it was to give the world his view of what Logos is, a podcast would suffice. If it was to explicate what John meant (or early Christians meant) then he knows not of what he speaks, and EMJ has shown that brilliantly.

  145. Hate to say it, but I like Bibi. He speaks for the common man somehow.

  146. Richard B says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    Thanks for arguably the best comment on this article. The reason I think it’s the best comment here is because it touches on a number of extremely important and related subjects – and in such a short comment. Well done! I’ll respond by putting your comment in italics.

    The first part of this article brought to mind Philip Roth’s novel ‘Portnoy’s Complaint’ which was hilarious when I read it at age 30. Today, over 60 yrs old, I’ll probably be disgusted by it if I read it again.
    A not uncommon experience of Gentiles in general and Whites in particular toward Jews. And the reasons for the change in perspective, especially among Whites would be interesting and worthwhile to explore. But not here.

    This term “Logos” means many things to many people.
    Bingo! This strikes directly to the heart of the matter, polysemy, or, multiple meanings to a word or utterance, or even to a nonverbal event, or action.

    To E Michael Jones it means God.
    Exactly, and before God is anything it’s a word, and words come from people, not Gods or God.

    That’s not to say that the word is meaningless, as everyone from the mid-20th century Logical Positivists to the early 21st century celebrity atheists and their misled followers have claimed. It’s just to say that, whatever the word God means to anyone, there’s no question that it is first and foremost an obvious deposit of human verbal behavior. And that the ulimtate function of the word is that it is used to control the behavior of those who believe in it, and if they have political power, not just them.

    In short, the word God functions as an explanatory regress, ie; a word that is used to stop the buck of explanation, as it were. Since today the most powerful explanatory system in the Western world is Identity Politics (itself a deposit of Supremacy Inc.) the explanatory regresses of that system are words like racist, sexist, antisemitic, homophobic, transphobic, Islamophobic, xenophobic, nativist, etc.

    Like the word God, they all are high-level abstractions that function as pseudo-entities. But, above all, they are used to control behavior. And today, unlike the word God, they are, unfortunately, very effective. Though the ultimate consequence of the constant use of those words in all of our institutions is cultural impoverishment and societal collapse.

    The sophists used the term to mean discourse. Aristotle applied the term to refer to “reasoned discourse”[8] or “the argument” in the field of rhetoric, and considered it one of the three modes of persuasion alongside ethos and pathos.
    From this perspective reasoned discourse is ordered discourse, or Logos.

    Pyrrhonist philosophers used the term to refer to dogmatic accounts of non-evident matters. And now we’re back to Jones’ use of the words God and Logos.

    The Stoics spoke of the logos spermatikos (the generative principle of the Universe) which foreshadows related concepts in Neoplatonism.
    In as much as Logos is synonymous with explanatory behavior it is the generative principle of the universe since we can’t understand anything without explanation.

    Anyway, it’s nice to know that E Michael Jones has a sense of humor.

    I agree. And he’s going to need it, and not just him. Because his contribution to the contemporary scene, and to any future public interest in his work, is not just that he is one of the more important voices directing attention to Supremacy Inc., but far more importantly as a result of his use of the word Logos he is directing attention to what unites all of us – explanatory behavior.

    And it does unite all of us. Not because I said so. Hardly. But because it is simply irreducible. Human beings turn the world into signs so they can respond to them. And they can’t talk about them unless that nonverbal behavior is turned into verbal behavior. And the most important attribute of verbal behavior is Explanation itself. Without which life for human beings is impossible. An obvious fact easily tested. So we have to be grateful to EMJ for helping direct attention to what none of us can avoid.

    Whether they know it or not, EMJ, et al (which includes TUR and its vibrant comment section) are all a part of a general cultural redirection that is leading irresistably to the need for a greater understanding of Explanation and Behavior – the two-fold irreducible surd of human existence. A fact that more of us, sooner than later, are going to have to face and come to terms with if we want to increase our chances of survival and improve the quality of life. It’s the least we owe to what is any culture’s most precious resource – the children. The readiness is all.

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  147. Johan says:

    I recall when he (Peterson) was asked why Jews were so dominant in the media, finance, law, academia, etc, etc, and he flippantly responded that it is all because of their high IQ.

    Concerning the Jews standing out very much, one should wonder when they became so dominant.
    They became so dominant during the rise of democracy, the people’s dumbocracies, and the accompanying steep decline of Western culture.
    It is a mix of fanaticism and self-assertion of a type which knows no counterpart, and they are sophist babblers, the type who like to hear themselves, the times of the people’s dumbocracies, which are ripe with goy bunglers, swindlers, narcissist and sophists are also perfect for Jew bunglers, swindlers, narcissist and sophists, the latter standing out in such things.
    To be dominant and on display in our times is all but a recommendation, in fact, it is an offense to intelligence.

    Issue cleared once and for all. But people are not going to like the idea that they live in the most worst of times ever, they consider themselves very intelligent, thus Jews must be intelligent too…

  148. FKA Max says: • Website
    @silviosilver

    No,
    he criticizes Peterson because Peterson gives guys the wrong advice or false hope by telling them that women are only socioeconomic status-oriented, when in fact height plays a much more important role than income in (especially younger) females’ sexual selection/mating preferences: https://www.unz.com/aanglin/the-massacre-continues-anglin-trends-on-twitter-after-laying-down-the-law-of-sex/?showcomments#comment-5714955

    Jordan Peterson Doesn’t Understand Hypergamy!

    Women View These “Short” Men As Liabilities!

  149. So, I just found out they are trying to take away Peterson’s license. LOL. I was spot on about them trying to get rid of him like smelly garbage.

  150. @Anonymous

    You’ve reached several levels of absurdity, probably deceit, there, Anon 223. Jesus founded a Roman church? Haha!

    Just a single point, on the record. There were monarchic bishops in Asia-Minor before there was one in Rome.

  151. @Richard B

    I commend your lucid and pertinent use of those pragmatic principles carried to their present level of clarity by that sometimes mordant but always challenging master, Prof. Morse Peckham. Clearly you are familiar with his Explanation and Behavior.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  152. Dumbo says:
    @Thelma Ringbaum

    You are wrong. Most German women have been working for ages, just the same as in all other Western countries. In fact, feminism is very strong there.

    As for Japanese women, there has been a sharp increase in women working even there, even if of course less than in the West.

    It has nothing to do with importing Indians to work in the West, except that part of the reason is the same — lowering wages, making people depressed, and destroying society.

    But I’d rather live in a white country with working women than in an Indian, Arab or multicultural country where women don’t work.

  153. Tundra says:

    Logos is my logo until it’s time to go, then it’s até logo.

  154. @sabretache

    I look forward to JP’s considered reply but doubt he has what it would take.

    He is melting into a big puddle of his own tears.

    Meanwhile Mikala has responded to Anglin’s accusation that Andrew Tate plated her by responding they are just friends.

    One thing to be said for Peterson: if we didn’t have his Wile E. Coyote stunts I would still be ignorant that in Russia you can get a drug addiction treatment where they stuff you into a coma for two weeks and run a drip of saline and glucose through you to wash out the dope. I hope he knows that straight edge for the next 12 years is the only rational possibility for him.

  155. @David Homer

    A little after genesis did you get the part about earth being stationary and immovable?

  156. @Big Iron 44

    100%, early in this article it starts with holocaust b.s., immediately stopped reading.

  157. Richard B says:
    @Big Iron 44

    A few years ago I found my son had a copy of Jordan Peterson’s recent book. Something about 12 rules for a good life… or something like that. So I asked to borrow it and began reading. When Peterson made a bloated comment that the Holocaust was the central event in all of human history I closed the book and dismissed him as a cuck and a fraud.

    Couldn’t agree more.

    Though I would say that, tempting as it is to dismiss him, or any cuck and fraud, it’s still worth directing attention to what is implied in his claim and how that implication undermines his authority as an Intellectual.

    First, never mind that his bloated comment, his hyperbole, makes the people he’s praising look and sound pathologically self-absorbed, a mob of dangerous meglomaniacs. In other words, never mind that he exposes Supremacy Inc. for what it is. Even more importantly, the implication is that he’s calling for the end of history itself. Specifically, the end of histriography. The study of History as a subject of learning. In other words, He severs the head of humanity from human history!

    This is the beating heart of their insane deflection and why he is promoted by them so heavily.

    He is praised as an Intellectual while killing the intellect.
    And he is killing the intellect by barring further inquiry into the central event in all of human history. And now we’re back to what we should be directing attention to.

    Instead of simply dismissing him as a cuck and a fraud, we should be directing attention to the fact that History is not about past events. It can’t be. And for a reason devoid of any complexity. Past events are inaccessible. History is about documents and artifacts written, read, or discussed (and in all three caes interpreted) in the present.

    Only if this obvious fact is understood can the subject of History have any intellectual legitimacy. Eliminating this easily verifiable fact from the historial process lowers the study of History to the level of gossip. When this kind of thinking enters our teaching-learning institutions and becomes a habit of thought and morality that can not be questioned – ever – the full and even relatively healthy functioning of our social institutions becomes an impossibility. The result is cultural impoverishment and societal collapse. Just look around.

    In short, what we need, like it or not, is a formal demonstration of exactly why JBP is wrong, and not just him. We could then extend and apply that formal demonstration to CRT, which intellectually is definitely operating on the level of gossip.

    What we need is a General Theory Of Historical Interpretation. But to have that we’d first need a General Theory Of Interpretation. We have many modes of interpretation. But no general theory, in the way we have one of Relativity, for example.* Without that, any talk about any final, absolute historical truth (as opposed to historical facts) should be regarded as intellectual comedy of the highest order (thought its unlikely the practioners of said comedy will see it that way).

    But that doesn’t mean that we can’t accumulate more data that can contribute to the increased reliability of our theoretical and historical constructs. But to do that we’d first have to accept the inherent instability of all knowledge, as modern science did over 100 years ago. Hence its explosion in the 20th century and our increased control over human and natural resources as a result (this is exactly why Supremacy Inc. wants to destroy modern science by having its useful idiots in Identity Politics associate it with whiteness; a pseudo-intellectual, anti-scientific construct if there ever was one).

    Until that happy day, though I’ve said it before, I will say it again, because it’s worth repeating: the fatal thing about celebrity intellectuals like JBP is that their mediocre minds are extolled as great by a credulous public devoid of judgment and a cynical power elite devoid of conscience.

    *There is a book with the title General Theory of Interpretation written almost 100 years ago. But, unfortunately, in spite of its title, it’s simply a mode of interpretation.

  158. Richard B says:
    @inspector general

    I commend your lucid and pertinent use of those pragmatic principles carried to their present level of clarity by that sometimes mordant but always challenging master, Prof. Morse Peckham.

    Thanks! And good to hear from you again.

    Clearly you are familiar with his Explanation and Behavior.

    Yes. Explanation and Power: The Control of Human Behavior. Great book.
    Highly recommended for anyone else who might be reading this.
    Speaking of which, you sound pretty familiar with Peckham’s work yourself.
    Did you study with him?

  159. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @sabretache

    I take it that you are completely unfamiliar with Voz Day’s book “Jordanetics,” which he published 5 years ago.

    The 2nd half, Jones response to Jordan’s speech could easily convince me that either Jones read Jordanetics, or Jones is another nom de plume used by the author known as Vox Day (who admits that he does game design work under different legal aliases.

  160. @BDC

    Yes God knows beforehand what you will do, but you don’t, thats the point. He knows what choice you’ll make, say in a situation three years from now. But you don’t. Hell you’re not even aware what this situation might be three years in advance. But the important part is that when the situation does arise, then you’ll have free will to choose an option. God’s foreknowledge of this decision has zero bearing on your freedom of choice. It’s like saying a seer or psychic knowing a football game’s result ahead of time removes the quarterbacks play calling ability or free will, thats absurd. I’ve never understood your position. You think it’s so deep, but explaining free will and it’s existence alongside God’s foreknowledge is very simple.

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  161. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Catdompanj

    Yes God knows beforehand what you will do, but you don’t, thats the point.

    No, even God doesn’t know beforehand, and that’s the point. Otherwise God would be bored to death/extinction/non-existence and there would be no purpose/excitement/evolution to creation/existence/intelligence. God only knows with a higher probability “what choice you’ll make, say in a situation three years from now.” Not the exact/actual choice/outcome “you’ll make.”

    The future is continually and progressively constrained by realization.” as per George F. R. Ellis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._R._Ellis

    It’s like saying a seer or psychic knowing a football game’s result ahead of time removes the quarterbacks play calling ability or free will, thats absurd.

    Seers and psychics also don’t have actual precognition which would enable them to see or tell the exact/actual future, they only have a higher ability than the average person to perceive and then predict higher quantum probability outcomes, super-/quantum-computers do the same thing. Christian de Quincey defines it as “precognition is not reading[/knowing] the future [it’s] a deeper reading of the present moment.

    Synchronicity with Christian de Quincey

  162. Jordan Peterson begins his lecture by making a category mistake when he claims that the two sources of western civilization are “the Greek stream” and the “Judeo-Christian stream.”

    Actually, I disagree. Jordan is absolutely correct. I’ve been analyzing this matter for a while.
    I’m trained in Eastern tradition. To describe what he is talking about, think of the Yin Yang symbol. If you were to divide the white half only, of the yin yang, crosswise, you’d get one half that is all white, the other half has a black dot. The Greek stream, or in my thinking, pure Christian, or Russian Orthodox christian would be the half without the black dot. The Judeo Christian half would be the bottom half, the one with the black dot. At the highest level, in the Judaic faith, there is worship of Satan going on, as well as God. The Jews believe that good and evil is the left and right hand of God. Hollywood jews are known to work with this dark force and there are Luciferian initiations inside Hollywood all the time. The pure Christian or Russian Orthodox faiths externalize evil and try to purify themselves of it, expose it, and sometimes try to destroy it, while the Judaic faith believes that evil is a force to be managed. Ironically the Catholics do as well. The evil is a negative polarity and the good is a positive polarity. The black in the yin yang is associated with the feminine and descends, the white with the masculine and ascends. The Catholics worship Mary, who obviously is Yin, and have occult practices, hidden from the public, as do Jews.

  163. werpor says: • Website
    @Hulkamania

    The Buddhist aphorism “do no harm” is a guiding light for those seeking enlightenment. This may incline some to the view “do no harm” intends passivity. However to “do” is not passive. But to “do no harm” is somewhat like a koan inviting one to contemplate the consequences of doing good.

    Those who “do good” are apt to be seeking reward for their good works and/or absolution for the evil manifestly evident in certain convoluted machinations done by those whose egos drive them to be noticed and to be seen to be important.

    The Sackler family comes to mind.

    Money worship is Jewish. Manifestly all action in the world said to be a good thing, soon enough manifests as it’s opposite. Financialization is merely more for its own sake. Rather than savings invested in betterment for all, financialization is a vampire dressed up in pretentious finery. Money lent within an exclusive group to buy up everything is vampirism.

    Onanism, in every guise, is disgusting. Emotional energy diverted from the true love of one’s fellow man, where one is mindful that help is often interference and genuine support nonexistent, is manifestly the true and ugly face of Judaism as practiced in America.

    Rampant greed is not a do good exercise — sucking the life out of society is evil. Tearing the good down, because deeply rooted envy wedded to money power and money leverage temporarily advantages that trajectory, soon enough backfires. It is far easier to burn down a building or a society than construct one.
    Financialization consolidates work done by others, but contributes nothing. Sooner or later counterparty debt sucks the productive energy
    out of every pocket leaving none for reinvestment, instead the money is spent servicing debt.

    At some point this results in enormous pools of rapidly depreciating purchasing power while the opportunities to invest such large tranches diminishes. Of course the military industrial complex where the output is destroyed and in turn destroys output, itself requires enormous “investment.” The aim then is to lay waste to the enemies output and replace it with one’s own. As they say, rinse and repeat. Meanwhile the process destroys the societies forced to support the destructive endeavours.

    There is an immense amount of “doing” when societies productive output is harnessed to destroy rather than build. The aphorism “do no harm” is not Jewish or Christian for that matter. Both impose on others freedom to be. Both impose an ideology of evil presumption — that certain people know better what is good for me than I know myself.

    I have no idea what is good for others. Although I most certainly do understand certain others want me to believe that they do know better. Do no harm!

  164. JackieG says:

    When Bibi landed in Ottawa in 2012 & was greeted by Canada’s queer foreign minister John Baird, it was a spectacle to behold.
    Bibi swaggered down the steps and greeted Baird with, “good to see you again, boy!”
    Bibi made sure YNET recorded it.

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