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“Die Eule der Minerva beginnt erst mit der einbrechenden Dämmerung ihren Flug.[1]The owl of Minerva only begins to fly when twilight arrives.
— G.W.F Hegel, Grundlinien der Philosophie des Rechts

“I am a scientist working to stop coronavirus. We should cancel all Masses.[2]
— Patrick O’Neill

Pestilence is portrayed in scripture as a punishment for sin. Yahweh forgave David after he committed adultery with Bathsheba and had her husband Uriah killed to cover up his original sin, but after David caved into the pride of the Israelites and decreed a census, the punishment which had been postponed became inevitable. But even here God relented and attempted to mitigate the punishment by giving David a choice. In the name of Yahweh, Gad the prophet offered the king a choice between three years of famine, “fleeing for three months from your pursuing enemy,” or three days of pestilence. Confronted with these options, David is forced to admit: “This is a hard choice. But let us rather fall into the power of Yahweh, since his mercy is great, and not into the power of men. So David chose pestilence” (2 Sam 24:14-5).

The question has relevance to the current coronavirus crisis. Did any of the world’s leaders choose pestilence? Genetically modified biological weapons did not exist in David’s day, but the fact that they do in our own gives new meaning to the idea that a ruler can choose pestilence. The two main suspects in this regard are the United States and China. Currently, two equally plausible but competing explanations are making their way through the media: 1) the coronavirus is a bio-weapon which was either released into the population deliberately or escaped by accident, or 2) the coronavirus pandemic is a manufactured crisis. These two alternatives, however, are not mutually exclusive.

In order to make the right choice, David had to distinguish categories of nature—between reality, the thing, the disease—and categories of the mind—things like politics, military strategy, policy, including the weaponization of the thing, etc.—before he could make an informed choice as ruler of the Israelites. Pestilence was a category of nature then, but it may not be that in an age when viruses have been weaponized.

Leaders in our day are facing similar choices. What they lack is the ability to distinguish between categories of nature and categories of the mind. Ever since the publication of Newton’s Principia Mathematica, political policy has been based on categories of the mind imposed by the state in the name of categories of nature. The Whig oligarchs weaponized Newtonian physics through Masonic lodges which were established on the continent to bring down the Bourbon monarchy under the direction of Jean Theophilus Desaguliers, who was a member of the Royal Society, a Freemason and protégé of Newton himself. Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations is another weaponization of Newtonian physics, with self-interest and competition taking the place of gravity and inertia, which allowed them to masquerade as forces of nature while promoting the interests of the Whig oligarchs who fostered Smith’s career. Feminism is a more recent example of the same thing. According to this ideological distortion, woman—an obvious category of nature which no one can deny—gets weaponized through the simultaneous creation and imposition of “women’s rights,” which includes, of course, abortion. If you acknowledge the existence of women, according to this line of thinking, you must admit the liceity of killing the fetus. Similarly, if you admit the existence of COVID-19, you must accede to the state’s guidelines in dealing with it. Science, as the Anglo-American tradition which derives from Newton tells us, is used to define what is real, which is to say all categories of nature. Religion now concedes to science the right to say what is real and what is not real. Pestilence, as a result, may come from God but its existence can only be validated by science, which establishes the guidelines which all politicians must follow. Those guidelines now trump all other guidelines, like those requiring attendance at Mass under pain of mortal sin.

Absent any assistance from the Church in distinguishing between acts of God and categories of the mind, the state wasted no time in taking control and not letting another crisis go to waste. Following the lead of governors in more important sections of the United States, Eric Holcomb, the governor of Indiana, declared a state of emergency, banning public gatherings in places like restaurants, which the local bishops then applied to their churches. Unlike David, Governor Holcomb declared that pestilence was war. The arrival of COVID-19 had created a state of war in the state of Indiana. “To those who think we are overreacting,” Governor Holcomb said, “I assure you we are not. We are at war with COVID-19 and we will win this war.”[3]

China agreed with the governor of Indiana, claiming that the United States had launched a biological warfare attack against them. On February 13, 2020, the Communist Party Committee of Beijing Centers for Disease Control issued a “wartime state order” requiring party members to recognize the fact that China had entered a state of war.[4] By mid-March, many commentators had abandoned the official story that COVID-19 had “originated in the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market in Wuhan”[5] in favor of seeing a biological weapon as the cause of the pandemic. Opinions differed on how the virus made it into the general population. Metallicaman said that the release was intentional.[6] Drawing from his years of experience in the CIA, Philip Giraldi said that the danger of unintentional contamination from the deployment of biological weapons was so strong that it effectively nullified its use.[7]

P-4 Biosafety Lab
P-4 Biosafety Lab

Those unusable weapons continued to be made, however, and one of the places they got produced was the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which houses China’s only P4-Level Biosafety Laboratory, a facility which is capable of storing, studying, or engineering Pathogen Level 4 microbes like the coronavirus. Coincidentally or not, the Wuhan Institute of Virology is only 8.6 miles from the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in China, causing Bill Gurtz of the Washington Times to report, “the deadly animal virus epidemic spreading globally may have originated in a Wuhan laboratory linked to China’s covert biological weapons program, according to an Israeli biological warfare expert.”

The Wuhan Institute of Virology was at the center of a web of top-secret biological warfare research and academic espionage that stretched around the world. In 2013 two Chinese virologists were caught stealing and smuggling some of the most deadly viruses on earth from the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg, Canada’s only Pathogen Level 4 virology laboratory, back to Wuhan, where both smugglers, virologist Dr. Xiangguo Qui and biologist Dr. Keding Cheng, were involved in China’s biological warfare program.[8] According to ZeroHedge, “the couple is responsible for infiltrating Canada’s NML with many Chinese agents as students from a range of Chinese scientific facilities directly tied to China’s Biological Warfare Program, including the Wuhan Institute of Virology and the Center for Disease Control and Prevention in Chengdu Military Region.”[9]

One of the bioweapons stolen from the Winnipeg lab was the coronavirus, which had arrived at the NML on May 4, 2013 for experimentation on animals. “It is from this stash of reserves,” Sir Adrian Bond writes: “that the coronavirus was stolen and smuggled by Dr. Qui, Dr. Cheng, and by alleged Chinese Biological Warfare Program agents recruited from the Wuhan Institute of Virology who were disguised as virology students at the University of Manitoba.”[10]

Dr. Charles Lieber
Dr. Charles Lieber

Other universities were also involved in the global bioweapons smuggling ring. In late January 2020, FBI agents arrested Charles Lieber, chairman of Harvard’s Department of Chemistry and Chemical Biology. Lieber was “charged with lying about his role in a Chinese talent recruitment program” and then was released from custody on January 30, but only after posting a \$1 million cash bond.[11] According to the Boston Globe, Lieber “lied about his links to the Wuhan Institute of Virology”[12] after China paid him hundreds of thousands of dollars to arrange not only for smuggling bioweapons but hiring the smugglers.

Lieber, who is Jewish,[13] was considered a flight risk because of his ties to Israel, causing authorities to demand that both he and his wife surrender their passports. Lieber is one of the founders of the bio-tech firm Nanosys, which is affiliated with Hebrew University in Jerusalem.[14],_fund...atents According to the indictment, “Prosecutors say Lieber agreed to conduct research, publish articles and apply for patents on behalf of China’s Wuhan University of Technology in exchange for \$50,000 per month and about \$150,000 in living expenses. He also received \$1.5 million to establish a research lab at the Chinese university. . . . Authorities say Lieber hid his involvement in the program from Harvard and told federal investigators in 2018 that he had never been asked to participate in the program.”[15] Lieber’s arrest followed the federal government’s growing concern over China’s efforts to steal U.S. research and technology, as manifested in programs like the Thousand Talents Plan, where:

scientists have downloaded sensitive research files before returning to China, filed patents based on U.S. research, lied on grant applications and failed to disclose money they had received from Chinese institutions, according to a congressional report issued last fall. . . . Federal prosecutors in Boston also announced charges this week against a researcher at Boston University, who is accused of concealing her ties to the Chinese military. Yanqing Ye, who prosecutors say is a lieutenant in the People’s Liberation Army, lied about her military service to get into the U.S. and researched U.S. military projects and gathered information on two U.S. scientists for the Chinese military . . . . Federal authorities suspect that both Harvard and Winnepeg were complicit in the smuggling of dangerous biological agents to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.[16]

According to a Facebook post, two Chinese “students” working as research assistants were also arrested after one of them, who was actually a lieutenant in the Chinese Army, was apprehended at Logan Airport while trying to board a flight to China while smuggling 21 vials of “Sensitive Biological Samples” on to the plane in his luggage.[17] Lieber’s connection with Wuhan and the “student’s” method of smuggling lend credence to the claim that the coronavirus escaped accidentally into the population there.


On the other hand, the production of those bioweapons was nothing if not deliberate and paid for by the United States government. Professor Zhengli, Senior Scientist and Principal Investigator at the Wuhan Institute of Virology for the past 20 years, was the recipient of millions of dollars from USAID and other agencies “of grant funding for the express purpose of researching and experimenting with coronaviruses—often receiving numerous, overlapping grants for the same time period.”[18]

The U. S. government, in other words, outsourced its bioweapons program to China by providing Prof. Zhengli with a \$665,000 grant from the National Institute of Health for a study named The Ecology of Bat Coronaviruses and the Risk of Future Coronavirus Emergence (NIAID R01 AI1 10964). Four days after issuing that grant, on January 10, 2014, Prof. Zhengli received an additional \$559,500 grant from the United States Agency of International Development for a research study entitled Emerging Pandemic Threats PREDICT 2_China (Project No. AID-OAA-A-14–00102).[19]

If the United States government paid for the weaponization of coronavirus in bats, it did so with some eventual use in mind, which means that it could have been planning an attack. In many ways, the ideal place to unleash an attack on China would be from one of its own laboratories, because by launching it in Wuhan the United States could hold the Chinese accountable for the attack which the U.S. had launched.

In the final analysis, Sir Adrian Bond, whose article we have been citing, concludes that “the likeliest source of origin for Coronavirus 2019-nCoV is the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory at the Wuhan Institute of Virology,” but he is unable to decide whether “there may be concerted efforts to conceal the precise nature of the virus, its source, and the parties responsible, or that, at worst, the dissemination of the epidemic coronavirus is intentional.”[20]

As Sir Adrian’s conclusion shows, focusing on the virus leads to more questions than answers at this stage of the game. Even if everyone agreed with the war metaphor, no one could explain how biological warfare gets conducted in our day if he confined himself to the minutiae of biological warfare. COVID-19 is a weapon; it is not a strategy. And that fact leads us to conclude that the question of whether COVID-19 is a natural occurrence or a bioweapon is irrelevant. After military martial law was declared, the big question: “Is the coronavirus real or is it being used as a pretext for a manufactured crisis?” bespoke an inability to distinguish between things, which have existence and categories of the mind, which gives those things meaning. The solution to resolving the real/manufactured crisis false dichotomy can be found in distinguishing the various parts of a campaign that is made up of both res et intellectum. If we are looking for a strategic explanation of what is happening now, we need to look into the measures which governments are now taking in light of the power the emergency has granted them. As always in situations like this, Rahm Emmanuel had the last word when he said: “Never let a crisis go to waste.”

The Rockefeller Foundation provides additional help in understanding how meaning and, therefore, action gets applied to a phenomenon of nature through what they call “scenario planning,” which they describe as an “important. . . component of our strategy toolkit,” which provides “a process of creating narratives about the future based on factors likely to affect a particular set of challenges and opportunities.”[21]

One of the “challenges and opportunities” the Rockefeller Foundation explored in 2010 was the outcome which flowed from “the pandemic that the world had been anticipating for years” which finally arrived in 2012. This new influenza strain, which the Rockefeller Foundation claimed as “originating from wild geese,” rather than bats, was:

extremely virulent and deadly. Even the most pandemic-prepared nations were quickly overwhelmed when the virus streaked around the world, infecting nearly 20 percent of the global population and killing 8 million in just seven months, the majority of them healthy young adults. The pandemic also had a deadly effect on economies: international mobility of both people and goods screeched to a halt, debilitating industries like tourism and breaking global supply chains. Even locally, normally bustling shops and office buildings sat empty for months, devoid of both employees and customers.[22]

Does this “scenario” sound familiar? Was the coronavirus pandemic of 2020 an act of nature or was it a category of the mind? Was it a bio-weapon which got released deliberately or escaped accidentally? Or, to get even more specific, was it a “scenario” confected by the Rockefeller Foundation which got imposed on the year’s normal flu outbreak as a way of imposing controls on populations which would have otherwise rebelled against accepting them? German pulmonologist Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg favors the latter explanation, describing the epidemic as “hype” (his word in German) which has taken on a life of its own in spite of the facts and therefore merits further consideration:

Every year we have new types of virus in the world. When tests were done in Glasgow coronaviruses were always present. In each year, coronaviruses were always part of the mix at a rate of 7 to 15 percent. In Wuhan they discovered a new strain of virus. Is this virus dangerous. . . . How can we know? It’s important to compare the current data with data from previous years. But even if we look at the 7 to 15 percent who have the virus, we can’t say that they died from it. The big question about mortality rates in Italy is where were the tests taken? If they were administered to severely ill people in hospitals, the death rate would naturally increase. The normal mortality rate for the seasonal flu is 0.1 percent. That means that one person out of a thousand dies every winter. It’s obvious that the virologists have created something very sensational here which impressed the Chinese government. The Chinese government made a big deal out of it. It was suddenly very important politically in a way that had nothing to do with virology, prompting face recognition in airports, spot temperature checks to see if people had fever. And those measures had international consequences. Politicians suddenly had to take a stand. Something was fabricated. A network of information and opinions developed in these groups of experts, and the politicians turned to these groups of experts and they internalized their information network and began operation within its parameters. The politicians have instrumentalized this network of information in order to determine what measures need to be taken. All of these decisions have been derived from these arguments. That means it’s going to be very difficult for a critic to say, “Stop, there’s nothing going on.” It reminds me of the fairy tale about the emperor’s new clothes. Only a small child was able to say he was naked. The politicians are playing along with the scientists who want to seem important because they need money to support their operations. We want to be important; we want to earn money. Didn’t the same thing happen last year? Is anything new going on here?[23] My translation from the German.

Reports from Italy confirmed Wodarg’s suspicions. On March 18, Italy’s national health authority released a statement which showed that more than 99 percent of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities have been people who suffered from previous medical conditions. The overwhelming majority of those who died while infected with the coronavirus were either old or had pre-existing conditions which made the virus worse. The average age of patients who succumbed to COVID-2019 was 81 years of age, about 20 years higher than the age of all patients who contracted the infection. The average age of women who died was 28 years higher. The greatest percentage of deaths (or 42.2 percent) occurred in the age group between 80 and 89 years, while 32.4 percent were between 70 and 79, 8.4 percent between 60 and 69, 2.8 percent between 50 and 59 and 14.1 percent over 90 years. Women who died after contracting COVI_D-2019 infection are older than men (median age women 83.4 – median age men 79.9). The average number of pathologies observed in this population is 3.4 (median 3, Standard Deviation 2.1). Overall, 15.5 percent of the sample had 0 or 1 pathologies, 18.3 percent had 2 pathologies and 67.2 percent had 3 or more pathologies. The most represented comorbidity is hypertension (present in 74.6 percent of the sample), followed by ischemic heart disease (70.4 percent) and diabetes mellitus (33.8 percent).[24] My translation from the Italian. Silvio Brusaferro, head of the Italian health service confirmed the fact that senior citizens and those with pre-existing conditions are more at risk. “We are talking about people who are very fragile and who live in close contact with others and the need to protect them as much as possible.”[25] My translation from the Italian.


It wasn’t difficult to tell where oligarchic sympathies lay. The Rockefeller Foundation admired the Chinese because of the draconian measures they took in fighting the virus and criticized the United States’ initial policy of “strongly discouraging” citizens from flying because it “proved deadly in its leniency, accelerating the spread of the virus not just within the U.S. but across borders.” The Chinese government’s “quick imposition and enforcement of mandatory quarantine for all citizens, as well as its instant and near-hermetic sealing off of all borders,” however, “saved millions of lives, stopping the spread of the virus far earlier than in other countries and enabling a swifter post-pandemic recovery.”[26]

Before long it becomes clear that the Rockefeller Foundation is proposing the Chinese authoritarian model of crisis response as the norm for the rest of the world:

China’s government was not the only one that took extreme measures to protect its citizens from risk and exposure. During the pandemic, national leaders around the world flexed their authority and imposed airtight rules and restrictions, from the mandatory wearing of face masks to body-temperature checks at the entries to communal spaces like train stations and supermarkets. Even after the pandemic faded, this more authoritarian control and oversight of citizens and their activities stuck and even intensified. In order to protect themselves from the spread of increasingly global problems—from pandemics and transnational terrorism to environmental crises and rising poverty—leaders around the world took a firmer grip on power. . . . Citizens willingly gave up some of their sovereignty—and their privacy—to more paternalistic states in exchange for greater safety and stability. Citizens were more tolerant, and even eager, for top-down direction and oversight, and national leaders had more latitude to impose order in the ways they saw fit. In developed countries, this heightened oversight took many forms: biometric IDs for all citizens, for example, and tighter regulation of key industries whose stability was deemed vital to national interests. In many developed countries, enforced cooperation with a suite of new regulations and agreements slowly but steadily restored both order and, importantly, economic growth.[27]

The Rockefeller Foundation wasn’t the only group of oligarchs involved in scenario planning for virus pandemics:

In October, 2019 the Gates Foundation teamed up with the World Economic Forum and the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security to enact what they called a “fictional” scenario simulation involving some of the world’s leading figures in public health. It was titled Event 201. As their website describes it, Event 201 simulated an “outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. The pathogen and the disease it causes are modeled largely on SARS, but it is more transmissible in the community setting by people with mild symptoms.”[28]

The United States Congress was also involved in the discussion. According to a Yahoo news report: “Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., is facing calls to resign after reports Thursday that the powerful Intelligence Committee chairman had privately warned well-connected donors of the dire impacts of the coronavirus pandemic last month while selling off up to \$1.6 million of his own stocks.” All of this lends credibility to the claim that the coronavirus pandemic was a deliberately taken act of war. This would also mean that the martial law which followed from this act was equally deliberate.

French President Emmanuel Macron
French President Emmanuel Macron

During the early months of 2020, the category of the mind which the Rockefellers confected during their scenario planning sessions in 2010 became a category of nature, as one government after another implemented their draconian regulations for control. One of the main beneficiaries of the global war on coronavirus was French President Emmanuel Macron. After years of yellow vest protests on the streets of Paris nearly toppled his government, Macron invoked the medical equivalent of martial law and confined his enemies to their homes by imposing quarantine on the entire French nation. When the French ignored his order, Macron countered by requiring the people of France to download forms from their computers for permission to go outside. “France’s ramped-up coronavirus measures,” we are told, “now require people to produce a document that justifies why they’re outside — even just to go a walk or to the shop — after people ignored the government’s pleas to stay at home.”[29]

Denmark took even more repressive measures, effectively shutting down the government, sending everyone home, banning any gathering of over 100 people, and closing all schools and universities. Not content with even these radical methods, the solons of Denmark then passed unprecedented legislation mandating compulsory testing and vaccination as well as approving rules of force which would allow the police, the military, and even private security firms to carry out their orders. Those orders remain in place until March 1, 2021. “Denmark isn’t at war,” announced one politician ominously, “but we will be shortly.” The announcement of government measures set off widespread panic as Danes stormed supermarkets to hoard food.[30]

In situations like this, history provides the best clues for what is going on in the present. The AIDS hysteria is a good case in point. AIDS began as a sexually transmitted disease which was limited to the homosexual population. The collapse of the homosexual’s immune system was traced to bad lifestyle habits which added further odium to the already unsavory reputation surrounding the homosexual lifestyle. The uproar in the media, however, prompted the government to act. As a result, Margaret Heckler announced in 1984 that the homosexual lifestyle disease was, in fact, caused by a virus, HIV, which was soon to be isolated, thereby enabling the production of a vaccine. The virus was never isolated, and the fact that no vaccine was forthcoming prompted AIDS activists like Mathilde Krim to propose azidothymidine, commonly known as AZT, the toxic chemo-therapy drug, as the cure.


After the approval of AZT got fast-tracked at the FDA at Krim’s urging, it was administered on a widespread basis to homosexuals and promptly killed them. The story of African AIDS is even more bizarre by comparison. The meddling of women like Krim and Heckler not only killed more homosexuals than would have otherwise died—compare Magic Johnson and Arthur Ashe for an example of what I mean—it also rehabilitated homosexuality and made it the paradigm of the ideal citizen which it is today. The oligarchs took the AIDS crisis and turned it upside down into a form of social engineering, proving that they knew how to derive political benefits from medical crises.

Understanding how the AIDS epidemic got instrumentalized to promote homosexuality is helpful, but the best paradigm for explaining what is happening now is what happened in Ramallah in 2002. The provisions of medical martial law which followed the announcement of the coronavirus pandemic present an uncanny replication of what happened in Ramallah in March 2002 when the Israelis took over Palestinian TV stations and began broadcasting pornography. Like the Palestinians, who were kept indoors by Israeli snipers, Italians, Frenchmen, and Danes were forced to stay in their homes by government edict. As in Ramallah, the coronavirus has created a world in which people are forced to stay at home with only electronic media as their source for understanding what is going on in the world. In Ramallah, the Palestinians had no choice in the matter. If they stepped outside to talk to their neighbors, they ran the danger of being shot by Israeli snipers. If they stayed indoors and turned on their televisions for news, they were forced to watch pornography.

Gilets Jaunes Protests
Gilets Jaunes Protests

Almost 20 years later, after countries like France were subjected to civil unrest in the streets much like the Palestinian Intifada, governments can now use medicine and science as the excuse to deprive their people of their rights, including their right to assemble and to worship. Church services have been suspended indefinitely, but premium access to pornography is now free of charge. The illusion of science and freedom of choice has been maintained, while at the same time, the reality of martial law has been imposed on the world in much the same way that Israel imposed martial law on the Palestinians. In a desperate attempt to maintain its hold on power, the globalist regime has used the crisis precipitated by the coronavirus pandemic to incarcerate entire populations, while simultaneously banning religious services and offering pornography in every cell.

The first step in carrying out the plan which the Israelis proposed in Ramallah was the promotion of pornography. According to a German report, the well-known pornography provider Pornhub has proposed a unique form of assistance to Italy as it suffers the ravages of the coronavirus by providing premium membership for its website at no cost. In addition Pornhub promised to devote part of its revenues to fighting COVID-19 lung infections across the world. Pornhub is devoting its March proceeds from Modelhub to support Italy “during this unfortunate time.” What they meant to say was “Unfortunate for everyone but the pornographers.” “Model earnings,” the compassionate folk at Pornhub tell us, “will remain untouched, this is coming straight from Pornhub’s share. To help keep you company during these weeks at home, Italy will have free access to Pornhub Premium throughout the month.”[31] Eight years ago, Pornhub was more forthcoming about the role it really played in the globalist network of political control when it wrote: “We’re always working towards adding more features that will keep your porno addiction alive and well.”[32]This message has been recorded by the Wayback machine at and was present on the PornHub website in 2012. Checking this fact will put you at risk of being exposed to pornography. You may alternatively find a screen shot of this at

Because of the coronavirus, Italy is under almost complete quarantine. Unlike the American population which reacted to the arrival of the virus by stockpiling ammunition and toilet paper, the Italians took to their balconies and started singing. The generally sunny disposition of the Italians stood in marked contrast to actions of their government which seemed determined to turn that country of 60 million people into a necropolis based on Edgar Allan Poe’s Masque of the Red Death. Online porn was booming[33] as people withdrew, via “social distancing” far “from the aid and from the sympathy of his fellow men” into the “deep seclusion” of their high-rise Wohnmaschinen. As Poe put it in 1842:

With such precautions the courtiers might bid defiance to contagion. The external world could take care of itself. In the meantime it was folly to grieve or to think. The prince had provided all the appliances of pleasure. There were buffoons, there were improvisatori, there were ballet-dancers, there were musicians, there was Beauty, there was wine. All these and security were within. Without was the “Red Death.”[34]

In keeping with Poe’s “courtiers,” “carefree youth” in Berlin were celebrating at what the English press were calling “lockdown parties” and “end of the world” drinking sessions as the disease spread across the Continent.[35] Berlin’s “corona speakeasies” had uncanny similarities to Poe’s Masque of the Red Death because “owners of closed bars have taped up the windows and locked the doors, only allowing in guests who have registered, or who deliver a specific knock on the door.”[36] But it had other literary resonances as well.

In trying to unpack the “immensely serious questions” which COVID-19 raises about “biopolitics. . . and bio-terror,” Pepe Escobar asks, “Where’s Foucault when we need him?”[37] French philosopher Michel Foucault is an important contributor to the plan of using sexual liberation as a form of political control which got hatched in the 1970s. 1n 1975 Foucault made his pact with the devil when he told the oligarchs: “Give us unlimited sexual liberation, and the Left won’t criticize your unjust economic system.” Foucault explained the principle that sexual liberation was a form of political control to the oligarchs in theory, but Pier Paolo Pasolini came up with the image which described it in detail in Salo, his last and most controversial film, which also made its appearance in 1975.

Pier Paolo Pasolini
Pier Paolo Pasolini

Like Foucault, Pasolini was a Catholic who became a Communist after his religious faith got derailed by his homosexuality. By the early 1970s, in the wake of the failed revolution of 1968, both men became disillusioned with traditional Marxism and turned to the sexualized version of Marx combined with Freud as promoted by people like Wilhelm Reich as an alternative. One of the seminal events in this regard was the release of Dusan Makavajev’s film promoting Reich’s conflation of Marx and Freud, WR: Mysteries of the Organism, which premiered in 1971. Inspired by the same Reichian Zeitgeist, Pasolini released his film Decameron in the same year as the opening shot in what would become his Trilogy of Life series of soft-core porn flicks. Pasolini’s Decameron takes a nostalgic look at the Italian Middle Ages, where religious devotion and innocent sexuality could exist side by side without contradiction, as in a canvas painted by Giotto. Not coincidentally, Pasolini appears in Decameron as Giotto, the artist who could bring all of these contradictions together through art.

Pasolini’s infatuation with the innocence of the Catholic Middle Ages stood in stark contrast to his disillusionment with the Communism of the 1970s. In May of 1971, after being put on trial for maligning the Italian armed forces, Pasolini said:

I can no longer believe in revolution, but I can’t help being on the side of the young people who are fighting for it. It’s already an illusion to write poetry, and yet I go on writing it, even if for me poetry is no longer that wonderful classical myth that heightened my adolescence. . . I no longer believe in dialectics and contradictions, but in pure opposition. . . . All the same, I’m increasingly fascinated by that exemplary combination, achieved by saints like St. Paul, of the active and contemplative life.[38]Enzo Siciliano, Pasolini: A Biography (New York: Random House, 1982), p. 345.

Pasolini saw how sexual liberation was progressing in Italy and knowing that he was one of the main forces propelling it filled him with mixed feelings. He was a homosexual in the grip of a vice which would eventually lead to his death but he, nonetheless, found abortion repugnant:

I am traumatized by the legalization of abortion, because like many I consider it a legalization of homicide. In dreams and everyday behavior—something common to all men—I live my prenatal life, my happy immersion in the maternal fluids, and I know that there I existed. I know . . . that the majority is, potentially, all for the legalization of abortion . . . Legalized abortion is in fact—no doubt about it—an enormous convenience for the majority. Especially because it would make coitus—heterosexual coupling—easier, and there would practically no longer be any obstacles to it. But by whom has this freedom of coitus of the “couple” as conceived by the majority—this wonderful permissiveness on its behalf—been tacitly desired, tacitly promulgated and tacitly made to become part, in a now irreversible way, of people’s habits. By the powers of consumption, by the new fascism. . . .[39]Siciliano, p. 374-5.

“Fascism” was the word leftists like Pasolini fell back on to disguise their inability to describe the new oligarchic ruling class as the sexually liberated proponents of capitalism, which was their new identity thanks to thinkers like Foucault. The Left reacted to the spectacle of a pro-life Communist homosexual with ridicule, claiming that Pasolini attempted to use deviance as the solution to the inconveniences of heterosexual coupling that could be solved by abortion. They also claimed that Pasolini was angry at higher wages because economic prosperity had jacked up the price he had to pay for the services of Rome’s ragazzi di vita, the Italian term for rent boy.[40]Siciliano, p. 374-5.

But Pasolini could see where things were going in a way that his equally lust-besotted contemporaries could not. His initial plan, after completing Arabian Nights, the final segment of the Trilogy of Life, was to do a film on the life of St. Paul. Pasolini was no stranger to religious films. His film on the Gospel of St. Matthew had garnered praise from the Vatican. Another possibility was something called “Porno-Teo-Kolossal,” which was probably as bad as it sounded. But that film didn’t get made either. Instead, Pasolini rented a villa near Mantua in the early months of 1975 and began filming Salo or The 120 days of Sodom.[41]Siciliano, p. 385. Bernardo Bertolucci, now famous for The Last Tango in Paris, which premiered in 1972, was filming his epic 1900 not far away, but the world had changed. The heady days of post-‘60s sexual liberation had passed and something darker had taken its place. In America the harbinger of change from sex to horror was The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which appeared in theaters one year before Salo in 1974. The cultural dam broke five years later with the arrival of Halloween and Alien and the flood of horror flicks and their sequels which followed for the next decade.


Pasolini was one of the few mainstream directors who understood the new direction the Zeitgeist was taking. The conventional trajectory for the year 1975 was clear. In Germany, the wave of sexual liberation which began with sex farces like Der Schulmaedchen Report and Lass Jucken, Kumpel went from soft to hardcore. Instead of heading in the same direction, Pasolini proposed an image of the future in which the oligarchs, whom Pasolini portrays as the fascists in charge of the last days of what was left of Mussolini’s regime after it had fled to the northern Italian town of Salo, commandeer sexual freedom and turn it into a sadistic fantasy perpetrated on the young at a hermetically sealed off location which had uncanny similarities to Italy under the coronavirus quarantine of 2020. Like the Israeli invasion of Ramallah and the quarantine of 2020, Pasolini’s Salo takes place in time of war. Allied bombers can be heard flying ominously overhead. The Italian version of Goetterdaemmerung is in the air, and the rulers of Salo are not going to let this crisis go to waste. They kidnap the most attractive young people they can find and then immure them in a mansion not unlike the one Prospero equipped in The Masque of the Red Death.

In the last year of his life, the same Pasolini who had dedicated his life to flouting sexual morality realized that the oligarchs were going to allow sexual freedom to happen on their terms and not the terms of the young people who were its prime victims. That meant that “consumerism” and “fascism” trumped anything Pasolini could conjure from Boccaccio. The sexual revolution was in reality a sadistic capitalist fantasy perpetrated by degenerate oligarchs on a group of unsuspecting victims in their teens and twenties, who were now being held captive in a luxurious concentration camp where pornographic fantasy was mandatory and religious practice punishable by death. After Foucault made his pact with the devil in 1975, he began teaching Austrian School Economics, and a whole generation of homosexuals in San Francisco, including Fr. Robert Sirico of the notorious Acton Institute, followed his lead, but Pasolini, in spite of his homosexuality, was still Catholic enough to protest, “This is not what I meant; this is not what I meant at all.” The extraordinary powers which martial law has granted to the government has resulted in a situation where sadistic pornographic fantasies get imposed on the population at large, but, as the president of the Republic of Salo announced at the beginning of that quarantine: “Any religious act is punishable by death.” Salo was, mutatis mutandis, the sadistic culmination of the ‘70s sexual revolution and, more importantly, the prophetic artistic description of the Italian quarantine of 2020 which would arrive 50 years after the fact as punishment.

Nineteen Seventy-five is also the year in which Pasolini died while cruising for ragazzi di vita amid the garbage dumps near Idroscalo, the seaplane basin at Ostia.[42]Siciliano, p. 3. A 17-year-old rent boy confessed to the murder, but those familiar with Pasolini’s injuries claim that a teenager wielding a stick could not have inflicted them, and that Giuseppe Pelosi was the fall guy for sinister figures whose identities remain unknown to this day. The oligarchs and their communist lackeys had motive enough to kill Pasolini for spilling the beans, but most people, especially the Catholics, were too obtuse to understand what Pasolini was really saying.

In both 2020 and 1944, war was the excuse to suspend the conventions of normal life, and the Left in both instances was incapable of describing, much less preventing what was going on. Both Foucault and Pasolini understood how the state was using “science” as a form of control; both rebelled against the party line. Both felt that the enlightenment state was the real enemy, primarily because the Church had internalized the Enlightenment’s command that science determined “ultimate reality” and had become as a result irrelevant. Pasolini got expelled from the party because of his homosexuality, but his Decameron is full of nostalgia for the Italian Middle Ages when sex was innocent and everyone was Catholic, and he was Giotto. Foucault longed for a Catholic Church which would punish him for his transgression, and when both state and church refused, Foucault punished himself in the S&M torture chambers in the bath houses of San Francisco. In an analogous scene in The Canterbury Tales, the second film in Pasolini’s Trilogy of Life, a homosexual gets caught in flagrante dilectu and then, with Pasolini’s approval, gets burned at the stake.

Salo is the most accurate artistic representation of the quarantine which has now been imposed on the entire world. Pornography, abortion, and drugs are now available to those in quarantine but not religious services. Salo is also an uncanny artistic premonition of what the Israelis did in 2002 when they invaded Ramallah and started broadcasting pornography overPalestinian TV stations. The entire world is being subjected to that regimen right now, mutatis mutandis. Religious services have been banned, but abortion, which is considered an essential service, is, along with pornography, freely available. Abortion clinics did not close during the lockdown in California,[43] but that state’s Catholic churches did.

Catholic reaction to this remarkable state of affairs depended largely on the writer’s relationship to the state in general and the American Empire in particular. In an article which appeared in America, the flagship of contemporary Americanism and Jesuit support of the regime, Patrick O’Neill stated in no uncertain terms “I am a scientist working to stop coronavirus. We should cancel all Masses.”[44] The article appeared on March 13 but was written when there were 1,700 confirmed cases and at least 41 deaths. O’Neill then takes that number and extrapolates, claiming that “the true number of infections in the United States is therefore now between 17,000 and 170,000.”

This is true. One week after O’Neill’s article appeared in America spreading panic among bishops in the United States the number of infections stood at 19,383, which is between the two numbers he mentioned but nowhere near the upper limit O’Neill used to scare the bishops. Of those infected 256 died. O’Neill claimed that the mortality rate for COVID-19 was 3.7 percent, but he forgot to tell us when that number applied. This is a significant omission because during the period which stretched from March 8 to March 20, 2020, the period in which the US bishops decided to suspend Masses in public, the United States fatality rate declined from 4.06 percent to 1.32 percent. This meant that while the total numbers increased from 22 deaths out of 541 at the beginning of that period to 256 out of 19,383 at the end, the gross numbers went up but the percentage of those who died went down. As of March 20, 2020 the death rate in Italy was 8.5 percent but the death rate in South Korea was 1.16 percent, which was close to the death rate in the U.S., which was 1.34 percent. The real picture becomes clearer if we look at total cases per million inhabitants. As of March 20, 2020, China had 56 total cases per million; the United States had 59 cases per million, but Italy had 778 per million.

Why is Italy different? The main reason may be demographic. Italy has one of the oldest populations in the world and the aged there and elsewhere are more likely to suffer from pre-existing conditions when subjected to stress from a new disease. But the reason may lie in the public health response to the epidemic. The dramatic difference between Italy and South Korea was largely the result of the different approaches each country chose in responding to the disease. Italy imposed strict quarantine of the entire population, whereas South Korea tracked known cases on their cell phones. As a result, the pandemic was nowhere as severe in South Korea as it was in Italy.

According to a study on how China responded to COVID-19 released by the World Health organization, those who come in contact with carriers who have tested positive have a 1-1.5 percent chance of coming down with the disease. This percentage increases, however, when “the majority of viral infections come from prolonged exposures in confined spaces with other infected individuals.” Under those conditions, “person-to-person and surface contact is by far the most common cause.” According to the WHO report, “When a cluster of several infected people occurred in China, it was most often (78–85 percent) caused by an infection within the family by droplets and other carriers of infection in close contact with an infected person.”[45] This means that quarantine may be making a bad situation worse and may explain the disproportionate number of coronavirus cases in Italy. Because the disease spreads before people show symptoms, Italian health authorities may have taken people who were already infected and placed them in the closed environment which was the ideal incubator for further spread of the disease. According to the CDC data based on the Princess cruise ship, transmission is facilitated in confined spaces, but “Daily growth rates declined over time across all countries regardless of particular policy solutions, such as shutting the borders or social distancing.”

O’Neill fears that the mortality rate may rise to 10 percent, and he is right, but only if the patient is subjected to the quarantine he is urging on the bishops of the United States. According to Dr. Paul Auwaerter, the Clinical Director for the Division of Infectious Diseases at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine: “If you have a COVID-19 patient in your household, your risk of developing the infection is about 10 percent…. If you were casually exposed to the virus in the workplace [or a Church] (e.g., you were not locked up in conference room for six hours with someone who was infected [like a hospital]), your chance of infection is about 0.5%.” According to a study released by the Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at Princeton University, “The current scientific consensus is that most transmission via respiratory secretions happens in the form of large respiratory droplets … rather than small aerosols. Droplets, fortunately, are heavy enough that they don’t travel very far and instead fall from the air after traveling only a few feet.” Italy, in other words, is enhancing the spread of COVID19 by confining Italians to their small apartments.

Early reports are always deceptive. By the time the bishops acted, the spread of the virus had declined. According to Nobel Laureate and biophysicist Michael Levitt: “Every coronavirus patient in China infected on average 2.2 people a day — spelling exponential growth that can only lead to disaster. But then it started dropping, and the number of new daily infections is now close to zero.” “When discussing diseases, it frightens people a lot because they keep hearing about new cases every day. But the fact that the infection rate is slowing down means the end of the pandemic is near.”

Patrick O’Neil
Patrick O’Neil

Patrick “I am a Scientist” O’Neill recommended “radical interventions: quarantining cities, disrupting daily life and restricting the movement of almost 800 million people” in China as “necessary to avoid complete infection” of the United States, but as the example of Italy showed, government measures had a way of making a bad situation worse by closing the barn door after the horse had already escaped. Or to be more precise, putting people who had already been exposed to the virus in its early days into quarantine where they were sure to spread it to other members of their families.

Of 44,145 people infected as of February 11, 2020, 1,023 died, meaning a mortality rate of 2.3 percent. “We still believe, looking at the data, that the force of infection here, the major driver, is people who are symptomatic, unwell, and transmitting to others along the human-to-human route,” according to Dr. Mike Ryan of WHO Emergencies Program. These numbers have been revised down to where only 1 percent of cases will be considered severe. As of March 20, 2020 Italy had 626 active cases per million inhabitants; the United States had 58.3 active cases per million, and China was down to 4.6 per million, indicating that the disease there was on the decline.[46] The CDC has consistently revised its fatality statistics down from the original 4 percent figure proposed by WHO, which is now suggesting 2.3 to 3 percent for all age groups. CDC estimates are even lower, ranging from 0.5 to 3 percent. After examining the data from China, Dr. Paul Auwaeter lowered the fatality rate there to 1.4 percent. Even a high risk environment like the Diamond Princess cruise ship, where an entire, closed population was tested, yielded a fatality rate of only 1.0 percent.

After John P.A. Ioannidis, professor of medicine, of epidemiology and population health, of biomedical data science, and of statistics at Stanford University and co-director of Stanford’s Meta-Research Innovation Center extrapolated that figure to the entire U.S. population, he concluded that:

the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%). It is also possible that some of the passengers who were infected might die later, and that tourists may have different frequencies of chronic diseases — a risk factor for worse outcomes with SARS-CoV-2 infection — than the general population. Adding these extra sources of uncertainty…[47]

The conclusion seems inescapable. The Italians made a bad situation worse by imposing quarantine. By going along with bad science compounded by bad government, the Church, following the bad advice of the Americanist Jesuits who now control the mind of her administrators, contributed to the deaths of thousands of Italian Catholics, something which would not have happened if they had not been cooped up in their stuffy apartments and had been allowed to go about their normal lives, including attendance at religious services.

Aaron Ginn concludes his article by citing the first rule of the Hippocratic oath: Primum no nocere, First and foremost do no harm:

Local governments and politicians are inflicting massive harm and disruption with little evidence to support their draconian edicts. Every local government is in a mimetic race to one-up each other in authoritarian city ordinances to show us who has more “abundance of caution”. Politicians are competing, not on more evidence or more COVID-19 cures but more caution. As unemployment rises and families feel unbearably burdened already, they feel pressure to “fix” the situation they created with even more radical and “creative” policy solutions. This only creates more problems and an even larger snowball effect. The first place to start is to stop killing the patient and focus on what works.[48]

General Quarantine has only made a bad situation worse:

With such little evidence of prolific community spread and our guiding healthcare institutions reporting the same results, shuttering the local economy is a distraction and arbitrary with limited accretive gain outside of greatly annoying millions and bankrupting hundreds of businesses. The data is overwhelming at this point that community-based spread and airborne transmission is not a threat. We don’t have significant examples of spreading through restaurants or gyms. When you consider the environment COVID-19 prefers, isolating every family in their home is a perfect situation for infection and transmission among other family members. Evidence from South Korea and Singapore shows that it is completely possible and preferred to continue on with life while making accommodations that are data-driven, such as social distancing and regular temperature checks.[49]

Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano

The Church’s capitulation to the state provoked the ire of Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, who unlike most churchmen, was able to distinguish between categories of nature and how they got transformed into weaponized categories of the mind by politicians with an agenda. “The ecclesial events of these hours,” Vigano tells us, “have manifested clearly — if there was still any need — the tragic subjection of the Church to a State that is striving and doing all it can to destroy the Christian identity of our Italy, by enslaving it to an ideological, immoral, globalist, Malthusian, abortionist, migrant agenda that is the enemy of man and of the family.”[50] By capitulating to the state’s definition of public health, the Church is jeopardizing “the salvation of souls” by depriving them of those supernatural gifts which make us “capable of facing trials here below, even the assaults of death, with the power of faith and that spark of inexhaustible and unshakable hope which comes to us from our yearning for the destiny of glory for which we were created.” The Italian Episcopal Conference capitulated to the power of the secular state and its hatred of religion by canceling “the totality of public liturgical celebrations in all the churches of the territory, helping to fuel fear and panic and depriving the faithful of the indispensable comfort of the sacraments.”[51]

The “tragic subjection of the Church to State that was doing all within its power to destroy Christian identity” soon spread from Italy to the United States, where one diocese after another shuttered its churches. One week after Chicago, Detroit, and New York closed their churches, Bishop Kevin Rhoades, ordinary of the diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend, announced on March 17 that they were suspending all public Sunday and weekday Masses over concerns about the COVID-19 virus until further notice.[52]


The Church did nothing to counter the panic being generated in the media. By closing her churches, the hierarchy poured gasoline on a conflagration that was already raging in the media. In an article which appeared on the website of The Atlantic on March 11, 2020 entitled “What Will You Do If You Start Coughing? ‘Stay home’ is not a sufficient plan,” James Hamblin writes:

This coronavirus is unknown to our species. Once it breaks into one of our cells, the extent of its spread through the body seems to vary significantly. The experience can slowly progress from the familiar—cough, congestion, fever—to a life-threatening inflammatory response as the virus spreads down into the lungs, filling the airways with fluid. Survivors can have permanent scarring in the lungs. The virus can also spread into other organs, causing liver damage or gastrointestinal disease. These effects can play out over longer periods than in the flu, sometimes waxing and waning. Some patients have begun to feel better, then fallen critically ill. The disease can be fatal despite receiving optimal medical care.[53]

Then after telling us “You’re likely to get the coronavirus,” our author adds, “None of this is meant to cause panic.”[54] Mort Zuckerman turned The Atlantic into a mouthpiece of Jewish oligarchic interests when he purchased what was once the flagship of Boston’s WASP establishment a few years back, and The Atlantic, true to its new masters, was determined eliminate the salvation of souls from public consideration by issuing a demand to “Close the Churches” and telling the nation’s rulers that “State and local shutdown orders shouldn’t exempt religious gatherings, and those communities should comply.”[55]

As of March 22, 2020, resistance to the ban on Mass which the hierarchy had imposed on the faithful was growing among dissident members of the same hierarchy. Raymond Cardinal Burke, former ordinary of the Diocese of LaCrosse, Wisconsin and former head of the Rota in Rome, stated that because “our first consideration is our relationship with God,” primary consideration in times of crisis must be given to having “access to our churches and chapels to the Sacraments, and to public devotions and prayers.”[56] That meant practically a refusal to “accept the determinations of secular governments, which would treat the worship of God in the same manner as going to a restaurant or to an athletic contest.” Rather than capitulate to the power of a state which has always viewed the Church as its enemy, bishops and priests “need to explain publicly the necessity of Catholics to pray and worship in their churches and chapels, and to go in procession through the streets and ways, asking God’s blessing upon His people who suffer so intensely.”

Bishop Athanasius Schneider, an auxiliary bishop from the diocese of Astana in Kazakhstan, had similar things to say:

Millions of Catholics in the so-called free Western world will, in the coming weeks or even months, and especially during Holy Week and Easter, the culmination of the entire liturgical year, be deprived of any public acts of worship due to both civic and ecclesiastical reaction to the outbreak of Coronavirus (COVID-19). The most painful and distressing of these is the deprivation of Holy Mass and sacramental Holy Communion. The current atmosphere of an almost planetary panic is continuously fueled by the universally proclaimed “dogma” of the new coronavirus pandemic. The drastic and disproportionate security measures with the denial of fundamental human rights of freedom of movement, freedom of assembly, and freedom of opinion appear almost globally orchestrated along a precise plan. Thus, the entire human race becomes a kind of prisoner of a world “sanitary dictatorship,” which for its part also reveals itself as a political dictatorship. An important side-effect of this new “sanitary dictatorship” that is spreading throughout the world is the growing and uncompromising ban on all forms of public worship. Beginning on March 16, 2020, the German government issued a ban on all forms of public religious gatherings for all religions. Such a drastic measure of strict prohibition of all forms of public worship was unimaginable even during the Third Reich.[57]

Like Archbishop Vigano, Roberto de Mattei sees the coronavirus as a punishment coming from God. Like Gad, “Saint Bernardine of Siena (1380-1444) told the leaders of his day that: Tria sunt flagella quibus dominus castigat: “there are three scourges with which God chastises: war, plague, and famine.” Like Pasolini, de Mattei draws on the Middle Ages as his theological beacon during a dark and stormy night. “Saint Bernardine belongs to a number of saints like Catherine of Siena, Bridget of Sweden, Vincent Ferrer, Louis Marie Grignon de Montfort, who warned how throughout history natural disasters have always accompanied the infidelities and apostasy of nations.”[58]

Roberto De Mattei
Roberto De Mattei

Just as the Black Death, which carried off 40 percent of Europe’s population in the mid-14th century, signaled the end of the Middle Ages in de Mattei’s eyes, so the coronavirus pandemic signals the end of the American Empire and the era of Globalization, as practiced by oligarchs like George Soros. Globalization is both the perpetrator and ultimate victim of the current crisis because it “destroys space and pulverizes distances.” But because God is in charge of history Globalization finds itself subjected to the cunning of reason which has created “social distance, the isolation of the individual and quarantine,” all of which are “diametrically opposed to the ‘open society’ hoped for by George Soros.” De Mattei believes that the pandemic is bringing an end to “the world without borders.”[59]

Globalization may have precipitated the current crisis, but its real source is a Church which is either too corrupt or too befuddled to address the forces which are now destroying the entire world. According to de Mattei, “the great sin which has brought down God’s wrath on our heads is the apostasy of the men governing the Church, who failed, either culpably or not, to denounce the schemes which the oligarchs have used to ensnare the entire world in sin. As a result of this failure, for the first time in many centuries in Italy, the churches are closed, Masses are suspended, and even Saint Peter’s Basilica is closed,” causing De Mattei to ask: “How can we not see in what the coronavirus is producing a symbolic consequence of the self-destruction of the Church?”[60]

Yet, God remains the master of history and in spite of the machinations of the wicked, God continues to use the coronavirus to bring about His intentions, one of which is using it as the “killer of Globalization.”[61] No matter how badly the Church reacts, there has never been a time when God was not in charge of human history. Both St. Bernardine of Siena and St. Catherine of Siena could preach with confidence because they understood Divine Providence. That providence, according to St. Catherine of Siena, has been active from the beginning of time until the present hour in providing man with everything he needs.[62]De La Providence by St. Catherine of Siena. My translation from the French. Self-love, however, obscures the intelligence of those who hope only in themselves and deprives them of the light of faith, ensuring that man proceeds not according to the light of reason rendering him blind to providence. Everyone is a beneficiary of providence, but there are those who do not comprehend because they don’t recognize it, and they don’t recognize it because they lack love. They see nothing but disorder like the blind man although everything is in order.

God, however, regulates what is appropriate for each thing at every moment. God’s providence determines everything down to the smallest detail, in particular, life, death, and the manner in which they arrive. He permits everything that happens to man, including hunger, thirst and the losses of fortune, nakedness, cold, heat, injuries, humiliations and affronts, without being the cause of the perverse will which does evil or inflicts injuries. God grants to man both being and time, not to offend me but to serve me faithfully because he serves God faithfully who serves his neighbor in charity. God permits evil to instill patience in the soul which suffers, so that the soul gets to know itself in humility.

Following the lead of the two saints from Siena, De Mattei concludes: “God is the author of nature with its forces and its laws, and he has the power to arrange the mechanism of the forces and laws of nature in such a way as to produce a phenomenon according to the needs of his justice or his mercy.”[63]

What looks like the end of the world as we know it is in reality the dawning of the world as God wants it. Logos is Rising. The wicked oligarchs who orchestrated the crash which the coronavirus conveniently disguised were rewarded with the money they sought so avidly, only to pass, sooner or later, from the scene leaving only wreckage behind. But the course of Logos in human history cannot be thwarted by the designs of the wicked. The moment of its apparent death in any age is in reality the moment of its eventual rebirth. Logos is always rising, no matter how it seems at any particular moment in time. History is an ascending spiral of rationality. God tolerates evil and error to bring about a greater understanding of the good and the true. With each historical cycle, the distinction between Logos and its opposite becomes more apparent. Because the distinction between Logos and anti-Logos in our day has never been more obvious, its victory has never been more certain.


[1] The owl of Minerva only begins to fly when twilight arrives.






















[23] My translation from the German.

[24] My translation from the Italian.

[25] My translation from the Italian.







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[38] Enzo Siciliano, Pasolini: A Biography (New York: Random House, 1982), p. 345.

[39] Siciliano, p. 374-5.

[40] Siciliano, p. 374-5.

[41] Siciliano, p. 385.

[42] Siciliano, p. 3.




















[62] De La Providence by St. Catherine of Siena. My translation from the French.


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  1. The article revolves around belief.

    In my experience, someone who believes something will believe anything.

  2. gfhÄndel says:

    Many thanks to the author.
    HIV denialism is but a slight taint on this otherwise superb article.

  3. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr. Jones, thank you for the very strong article!

  4. Pheasant says:

    Fantastic article.

    But isn’t the fact that Italy was encouraging people to hug Chinese visitors (also what about Italy importing Chinese workers) and was comparably late in enforcing lockdown a hole in Dr Jones’ theory?

  5. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Seems like government meddling often just makes things worse. In response to the disease airports shut down and thousands of people were herded into cramped, crowded areas of the airport. That’s a good way of dealing with a highly communicable disease, get frightened and cram thousands of people together so they really will get it. This to prevent it, you see.

  6. Kali says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The article revolves around belief.

    Actually it doesn’t. In fact though the author does give mention to his beliefs, (more-so during that introduction, which feels very “sermony”). Thankfully the sermon is swerved, and some excellent reporting beings.

    Well worth reading!

    With love,

    • Agree: Hibernian
  7. Hibernian says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    No, those who don’t believe in God will fall for anything.

  8. Hibernian says:

    You’re right but you should have left out the obscenity.

  9. @Godfree Roberts

    What? Newtonian physics caused feminism? Sheesh. What a load.

    • Replies: @4justice
  10. Saggy says: • Website

    I’m a huge fan of Jones, but this article is off the hook. It’s particularly weird that he sees ‘logos’ as the fundamental rule of the world, and then criticizes Newton ! Newton was/is logos manifest. Newton explained the lights in the sky, he elevated us humans to a level near the gods.

    I’m sure there is an angle from which Jones’s observations are insightful and telling, but the fact that he can’t acknowledge or even recognize the efficacy of closing the churches, i.e. mass meetings, in combating CV is …. offputting.

    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    , @Roger
  11. @Godfree Roberts

    In my experience, someone who believes something will believe anything.

    So if you believe this statement, you will believe anything?

  12. @Godfree Roberts

    Much of what Jones says is predicated on a shared Catholic belief. Eat, sleep and breathe Logos, ’cause Logos is the word, man.

  13. cortesar says:

    “God, however, regulates what is appropriate for each thing at every moment. God’s providence determines everything down to the smallest detail, in particular, life, death, and the manner in which they arrive”

    Lol does he also decide how much Goldman Sachs and how much Boeing will inherit of fiat dollars falling from the sky in abundance never seen before
    If such has been the case I charge your god with millions of deaths of innocents throughout history I charge him for all suffering that humans had to endure for this 2000 years.

    • Replies: @cortesar
    , @MichaelS
  14. I don’t do belief, nor does anyone need to. Working hypotheses are more than sufficient for day-to-day living and leave us open to revise our opinions, while belief discourages revision..

  15. Anon[548] • Disclaimer says:

    I wish we could shut down all Billionaires foundations and phony charities, fire all their employees and sieze the trust-funds that pay into them to pay down the national debt.

    Its giving inherited gazillionaires too much money to play with. Honestly, piddling around with weaponized viruses via private foundation grant money thrown at foreign scientists with dual loyalties and dual passports. When one of them decides he resents one country or the other, what is to stop him from releasing the viruses he has been researching?

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  16. nickels says:

    As usual, I feel much smarter having read another of EMJs books.

  17. cortesar says:

    Note also how stupid is to claim at the same time
    a- that god determines every single detail of human life
    b- that humans have free will
    and call that logos, reason and rational

  18. Please, do rescind the ban on celebrating Mass. Keep trusting in Jesus and praying to him to keep you safe from the virus. The rest of us will be so much better off if Christians stand strong in their faith, and die coughing up frothy pink bits of their lungs. It could be your personal Mea Culpa all for the evil your monstrous church has inflicted on humanity.

    • LOL: Nonny Mouse
  19. Hibernian says:

    a is Calvinistic, b is Catholic. As a Catholic, I believe that God is omniscient (knows all, knows how it will all turn out) and omnipotent (soveregn, capable of intervening as much as He wants to) and that Man has free will. The Calvinist cannot reconcile God’s sovereignty with Man’s free will. I can’t either, by myself, with my limited mind, but I trust His Church and I accept that it is a mystery.

    Reason illuminated by Faith. Faith illuminated by Reason.

  20. “The ecclesial events of these hours,” Vigano tells us, “have manifested clearly — if there was still any need — the tragic subjection of the Church to a State that is striving and doing all it can to destroy the Christian identity of our Italy, by enslaving it to an ideological, immoral, globalist, Malthusian, abortionist, migrant agenda that is the enemy of man and of the family.”

    I thought this bit was very important and more people would read it if it was close to the top of the article instead of down almost at the very end.

    Reality is not the correct term. Nature. Then spirit and soul and whatnot can be supernatural and outside of the domain of the state and the scientists and who cares if they don’t think it’s real. My church is not ruled by the pope and it isn’t closed. Communion and hand shaking are on hold and the old people are encouraged to stay home and they are getting house calls.

    Does your priest make house calls Mr. Jones?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  21. Will God punish people who invent new diseases? And their pay masters?

  22. cortesar says:

    EMJ claims, I believe, that both are true (a in this text b in a podcast that I listened to)
    If man has free will, man will act on his free will
    Multiple man acting on their free will shape the events therefore it is impossible for god to control every detail of human action/existence. It is as simple as that
    You say it is a mystery but EMJ calls it logos, reason and rationality.
    It is very far removed from any of these, lat us say, Greek categories

  23. Kim says:

    I think it is a weak attempt to snark on Chesterton’s famous

    “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.”

    Ironically, the truth of Chesterton’s quip can be seen throughout Mr Roberts’ state-worshipping comment history.

    • Thanks: SeekerofthePresence
    • Replies: @Tool Book and Rifle
  24. Kali says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The words “I believe” literally mean “I don’t know”.
    That said, it is perfectly possible for one to know God, once one dispenses with all dogma, be it religious, scientific or political.

    With love,

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  25. @Pheasant

    Yes, it was deep, as in, “put on your muck boots” .

  26. Coronavirus and COVID-19 won’t stop globalism; in fact, the global war on this virus makes globalism essential. Locking us down and force-feeding us the Left’s Holy Trinity (Drugs, Porn, and Abortion) while depriving us any alternative viewpoints and sanity checks with other living, breathing human beings in an environment that fosters trust,e.g. in person and face to face, is how they’ll grind us down to willing mind-numbed robots serving the New World Order in petty fiefdoms with imaginary borders designed to make it easier for the Criminal Elite to divvy up the loot they are at this very moment picking from our pockets in this Holy War against the pandemic.

  27. @Kali

    believe (v.) Old English belyfan “to have faith or confidence” (in a person), earlier geleafa (Mercian), gelefa (Northumbrian), gelyfan (West Saxon), from Proto-Germanic *ga-laubjan “to believe,” perhaps literally “hold dear (or valuable, or satisfactory), to love” (source also of Old Saxon gilobian “believe,” Dutch geloven, Old High German gilouben, German glauben), ultimately a compound based on PIE root *leubh- “to care, desire, love” (see belief).
    Meaning “be persuaded of the truth of” (a doctrine, system, religion, etc.) is from mid-13c.; meaning “credit upon the grounds of authority or testimony without complete demonstration, accept as true” is from early 14c. General sense “be of the opinion, think” is from c. 1300. Related: Believed (formerly occasionally beleft); believing.

    “it is perfectly possible for one to know God.” Precisely, but who wants that? Belief is so much easier.

    • Thanks: Kali
    • Replies: @Seraphim
  28. utu says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Old fool Godfree Roberts has spoken: “I’ve been studying China for 60 years and have never caught their government in a lie.”

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  29. Power and self-interest are as old as pestilence. They are the cause of continued war; they are the cause of the coming nuclear Armageddon. It is not the coronavirus that will destroy us – we will.

  30. Hibernian says:
    @Morton's toes

    In the Catholic Church in the USA in this era house calls are made by the laity.

  31. Trinity says:

    Great article. Keep ’em coming.

  32. @Godfree Roberts

    Belief is for the birds.
    This is Mr. Roberts belief.
    Jones must tremble before such ungainsayable dogma.

    • Replies: @!
  33. @Hibernian

    I agree.

    And I am a Catholic.

    But keep in mind that the Faith is not going to have any institutional support at some point in the very near future.

    • Replies: @Anon
  34. The usual EMJ scribbling that can be summarized as: everything is the fault of the Jews, and the RCC is the answer. As usual, EMJ is wrong.

    China is responsible for the Wuhan coronavirus. It is not a particularly dangerous virus, but it has been weaponized in America to destroy Trump. Here is a youtube from India that has a good explanation for what happened:

    Russia, other countries in Eastern Europe and Japan acted quickly to close their borders and are doing well. Trump’s travel ban on the Chinese in January was a good decision. Italy has problems with the Wuhan virus because of the many elderly and Chinese who work in northern Italy.

    Even if this virus resulted from bioweapons studies, whatever the creators had in mind, it failed. The virus is not lethal to most people. It is not a punishment from God. As usual, EMJ offers no solutions. Here is one. Start repatriating Chinese living in the West and put those few allowed in the West in quarantine before they enter Western countries. China is not a threat. It is collapsing. It is the fastest aging country in the world because of its high abortion rate. This is a good thing. China has caused a schism with the RCC. This is another good thing. China must be isolated as much as possible. Trump has renegotiated our trade deals with China so he has collapsed China. China was stymied by the Hong Kong protesters. Taiwan is well-armed and we can now see that China would have a difficult time if it tried to invade Taiwan. Another way to see that China is not a threat is to look at Japan. The Japanese are the only intelligent Asians. Japan is a first world, free and democratic country. They changed their constitution so that they can remilitarize whenever they want. They have no nuclear weapons so they do not see China or North Korea as threats. The day they do announce they have manufactured nuclear weapons will change everything. Japan would be a formidable foe against China.

    EMJ writes about the homos Foucalt and Pasolini. They are yesterday’s news. He does not deal with the homo priests, bishops and cardianls who now control the RCC. The homo Jesuit James Martin is a perfect example of most current RCC clergy. Again, EMJ offers no solutions to this homo infestation.

    The RCC in America has collapsed. This is why priests, bishops and cardinals quickly caved to the government when it announced quarantine measures. The Orthodox Church will be the church of the West.

    EMJ scribbles about Logos. IQ is needed for Logos. Caucasoids have the highest IQs, Mongoloids are a distant second and Negroids are last in IQ. The most mysterious and frightening sentence ever written is Genesis 1:27. EMJ needs to think about this verse.

  35. Just learned that Andrew Cuomo of all people is saying the same thing E. Michael Jones said about the error of quarantining sick old people with fit young people!

  36. @attilathehen

    The Orthodox Church will be the church of the West.

    Of all the lunacy and BS in your post, this line was my favorite, because it made me laugh.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    , @Kim
  37. Hibernian says:

    It is not a punishment from God.

    Well, it’s certainly not His way of rewarding us for being good.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  38. @Saggy

    la rouche has very interesting things to say on newton–that he was propped up as a genius by the ever-evil british govt, and was in reality a very average englishman. the same with locke. also that voltaire was very possibly a british agent, something which seems plausible in light of his letters from england and his high praise for newton and insulting treatment of leibniz, whom la rouche believed to be a very great genius and man. to this day it seems rather difficult to get much of leibniz’s writing, unless you subscribe to the very expensive yale u. series.
    i wish i knew more about this topic, and would welcome commentary by anyone who does.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  39. Saggy says: • Website
    @daniel le mouche

    i wish i knew more about this topic, and would welcome commentary by anyone who does.

    I know a lot about the topic, and La Rouche is a complete idiot. It’s odd to me that people consider Leibniz to be comparable to Newton. It is true that arguably both invented calculus, and while that is probably the most significant development in the history of mathematics, it is also true that I can explain to you or any high school student the basic principles of calculus in a one hour lecture. It’s simple after all. But, that was just the beginning for Newton, he went on to discover the laws of gravity and motion, and again, while these are the most significant developments in the history of physics, it is also true that they are easily explained in high school, I can explain them easily in one hour. If you took high school physics you already know them. But now it gets difficult – Newton went on to derive Kepler’s laws of planetary motion from the laws of gravity and motion. High school physics teachers don’t have a clue about this, they don’t even know it’s a problem. Kepler’s laws were descriptive but not explanatory. The derivation of Kepler’s laws is so difficult that it is not covered in any of the college physics texts in classical mechanics, these are upper division texts, that I have, and I have several. It takes pages of complex mathematics even today. Child’s play for Newton. Newton is the greatest genius that ever lived.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Hibernian
  40. thanks for the reply, though i’d like to know more about why you think larouche an idiot. his followers certainly don’t. he has some interesting theories about history, and i agree with much he thinks on the english and bertrand russell. so ‘idiot’ seems a bit strong to me, he certainly had some brains. as i know nothing of leibniz i can’t comment, but don’t feel convinced by your answer. thank you.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  41. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Most RCC priests, bishops and cardinals have fled:

    The RCC will still exist, but it won’t be important.

    Christianity will continue and flourish. Jesus said we are the temples.

    The Orthodox Church with its racial/ethnic churche will be the church of the West.

  42. MichaelS says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The statement: “The article revolves around belief”, IS a statement of belief.

    EMJ documents many scientific studies to give credence to his scientific essay.

  43. MichaelS says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Excellent point! We agree wholeheartedly!
    Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot……

    • Replies: @Kim
    , @Godfree Roberts
  44. MichaelS says:

    Excellent point. God is weak or He does not exist. Therefore, all the suffering of humanity is meaningless. Thanks for your comment! I am so full of hope and optimism!……sarc

  45. Saggy says: • Website
    @daniel le mouche

    why you think larouche an idiot

    . The evidence …..

    la rouche has very interesting things to say on newton–that he was propped up as a genius by the ever-evil british govt, and was in reality a very average englishman.

    That is all I know about La Rouche, and that’s enough, it is absolutely idiotic.

  46. utu says:

    You version is that by ‘the court historians’. The truth is more complicate and one has to understand some math tand what is the nature of mathematic proof to know exactly what Newton has proven about the planetary orbits. Newton responded to the challenge of Haley to derive the orbits of the planet motion under the assumption of an inverse-square central force of attraction. Newton claimed he had a proof. Then he provided manuscript (Principia) 18 months later which was published at Haleys expense. But ‘it did not actually contain the demonstration that Halley had requested.’

    In a careful series of propositions (11 to 13 of Book 1), the Principia shows that a planet moving in a conical orbit under the influence of a central force toward one of the foci is undergoing acceleration toward that foci with a magnitude proportional to the reciprocal of the squared distance, and hence is subject to an inverse-square force. This is the converse of Halley’s question, which asked for a demonstration of the shape of an orbit given that the planet was subjected to an inverse-square force. The first edition of Principia simply stated that the answer to Halley’s question “followed from” the converse proposition, which of course is not a generally valid argument. Newton later claimed that he hadn’t included the proof for the original question – the one that prompted the entire work – because he regarded it as “very obvious”. Whether this is a plausible reason for omitting it is debatable.

    By starting with an ellipse, Newton avoided the more difficult reverse problem of starting with the inverse-square law and solving the differential equations of motion to infer an ellipse, a feat performed first by Johann Bernoulli in Newton’s lifetime. Newton derived his results in the Principia using innovative geometric arguments

    The more difficult task of formulating and solving the differential equations of motion assuming a central inverse-square-law of attraction was accomplished first by Johann Bernoulli in Basel, based on the version of differential and integral calculus advanced by Leibniz.

    It was Bernoulli who has proven that the inverse-square central force of attraction leads to conic orbits using Leibniz approach because Newton’s geometric methods were cumbersome and nobody really used them but Newton:

    Modern science has followed Bernoulli’s advice, and no one today would dream of trying to approach such problems using the synthetic geometrical methods of Newton. In fact, Newton’s neo-classical methods were never used successfully by anyone other than himself.</blockquote

    More here where I give urls to references:

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @Saggy
  47. B. Smokey says:

    Thank you, Dr. Jones. This is one of the best articles I’ve ever read. Very well done. Impeccable.

  48. @Godfree Roberts

    If you say so, Godflee Loberts.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  49. anon[423] • Disclaimer says:

    I saw the first part of Salo in 1993, didn’t return after intermission.

    The film was autobiographical.
    In the last days of the 1944/45 Mussolini Regime, the police in the area around Venice rounded up the good looking younger teenagers and imprisoned them in a mansion to be preyed upon be homosexual members of the clergy, civil service, and Magistracy.
    The rules were explained to the children by a Ghislaine Maxwell type Madam, and were that any member of the Elite could use them in any way he saw fit, any refusal would result in the loss of a limb, any demonstration of affection between the children would result in the loss of a limb, at the choice of the offended party. A limb might be interpreted as an eye, a finger, a hand …
    Pasolini had waited 30 years to tell this story, murdered for his trouble a little while later.

    Jones gives no clue about any of this, perhaps he never saw the film, perhaps he is a disinfo agent.

    Salo was showing at the Trak cimema in Toorak, Catholics were outside on the footpath picketing, trying to dissuade people from going inside.
    From the reactions of some in the theatre, they had expected to be attending a porno film.

  50. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:

    “ Reason illuminated by Faith. Faith illuminated by Reason.”

    Yes, indeed.

    “I believe, in order to understand.
    I understand, in order to better believe.”

  51. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I’m Catholic, yet the wimps of 1P5 give me reason to despair. I stopped reading them couple of years ago. If I need current analysis, I’d pick Roberto de Mattei or Séptimo Cielo or even LifeSite. De Mattei’s “Apology of Tradition” is a masterpiece.

    There’s a saying: “He who resists, overcomes.”

  52. Kim says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    But there is plenty of evidence that you believe in the infallibility and perfection of the Chinese Communist Party.

    After all, it was on these pages that you proudly announced that the government of China has never been known to lie.

    If that is not a naive – or even feeble-minded – belief in the State as your infallible God, what else could qualify?

    • LOL: utu
  53. This author case confirms that covid 19 in some cases does attack brain.
    Concerning Paulo Pasolini, he also made a pretty good movie about life of Christ.
    Talking so much about Pasolini how come he did not mention that.
    All article does not make a sense, but there are some valuable details.
    But these days nobody know what to think. We do not know what is fact and what is a fiction.
    There are more copycats than cats these days.

    • Replies: @FactChecker
  54. Kim says:

    Russia, Germany, Cambodia, none of them print a national bank note featuring an individual generally accused of being their nation’s most bloody tyrant, but when it comes to Mao – whose bloodthirsty cruelty, narcissism and psychopathy was world-historical – China proudly features that lunatic on their flagship 100 Rmb bank note.

    But that’s right…to admit that killing 65 million in the “Great Leap Forward” was only the largest of the CCP’s many, many massacres and betrayals of the Chinese people might undermine that naive BELIEF in the infallibility of the Party, and we can’t have that kind of heresy spread about the cloistered and pampered clergy of the State Religion, can we?

  55. Kim says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Perhaps if all their clergy were like Brother Nathaniel.

  56. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:


  57. You misunderstood something about Chinese measures to fight this virus.
    We did not just simply lock down cities and everybody stay home to wait for the good ending.
    It’s far from enough.
    We check check and check.
    Find out those infected, took them into hospitals. Find them as much as we can. DO NOT leave them goof around/stay home to infect the whole family.
    Find out those who are close to the infected, took them into isolation to observe if they will catch the virus. Find them as much as we can.
    Track those who were close to the infected, check out the asymptomatic one who is out of the radar and secretly give the virus to the infected. Isolate this asymptomatic person who may continue to spread the virus to others. Yes, you need to find out who infected whom, and how. You need to build the detective teams on infection. You find them out, learn from it, publish it, avoid it.
    It’s a mission impossible, but still, you do it, with enough endeavor, it’s mission possible.
    check, check, check…track, track, track…isolate, isolate, isolate…
    In the same time, you do all you capacity to guarantee the medic, the logistic, the supply, it’s a whole system. Not simply lock down, not just stay at home.

    China has more than 70% family cases because social cases are effectively avoided by lock down and stay at home, while those family cases at early stage in Wuhan especially can not be avoided since we don’t have this system at the time. Things happened in Wuhan too fast!
    You need to react fast! You need to do lot of things at the same time. You need to find them, all of them, really fast. Take them into hospital, into isolation, into observation, under your radar.

    Lock down and stay at home works! But that’s not all about it. That’s just a start of it.
    There are cases that people go out for grocery, without masks, get infected by another buyer, within seconds!

    If you guys don’t wear mask, don’t follow stay at home and social distance strictly, whatever your government doing is in waste.
    But if your government don’t respond fast and find out all of them for treatment and isolations, still the same: this virus thing will just goes on and on and on and on and on…

    At the end of the day, you may reach herd immunity (if this virus is that friendly: once cured, never infected again, we are not sure about that since somebody already has two strains of this virus in the body at the same time, which suggest something quite different)
    In that case, there will be herd immunity gap between you strong survival guys who passed the virus test and we the untested weaker ones who avoided the test by all means.

    Who knows, you might win by lost the burden of the old the sick the weak the poor the idiot.
    We may also win by guard our value and our people as an unity.

    As for fundamental changes of life style and governing method. We didn’t think much about it before as we sincerely believed this would be a short term thing. We believed in ourselves and expected everything back to normal in Apr. … until you guys join this virus thing.

    Now everything changed. Things become really complicated.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  58. @MichaelS

    Your response belongs to an interesting category of logical fallacies called argumentum ad hitlerum or reductio ad hitlerum in which the commenter attempts to invalidate someone else’s position on the basis that the same view was held by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party, or Attila the Hun…

  59. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Fallacies are common errors in reasoning that undermine the logic of your argument.

    Fallacies can be either illegitimate arguments or irrelevant points, and are usually identified because they lack evidence that supports their claim.

    The one above is called argumentum ad hominem.

    Why not run through them all and show us just how ignorant you really are?

  60. Franz says:

    Much thanks to the author for the short but thoughtful words about Pier Paolo Pasolini.

    A tragic figure if there ever was one, Pasolini could see the problem. Sad he was a slave to his appetites, but perhaps during the few seconds of lucidity he had before his murderer finished him, he saw how rightly wrong he had been.

    When I was way too young I saw a sadly beat-up version of The Gospel According to Saint Matthew and found it profoundly moving. Even the worn and decrepit version held out so much promise. On researching I discovered Pasolini had attempted to make a sort of mental pilgrimage with it. “I tried to see it as He would have, or someone close by,” is how he put it. People tried to read social gospel and all that into it, but it defies easy analysis. It looks for all the world like a newsreel, circa the time of Christ.

    Very interesting topic. Some people we see as mad or degenerate really are on a sort of journey. Many journeys end badly. Too bad Pasolini was one of them. He was a fundamentally serious soul, just not a perfect one.

  61. onebornfree says: • Website

    “White House Extends Coronavirus Guidelines Until April 30, ”

    Screw Trump, and all the rest of these “its for your own good” commie/Nazi morons, Federal , state or local! Let’s all get back to work NOW, before we’re all truly, irreparably screwed, I say. Long live black markets!


    Regards, onebornfree

    • Thanks: Agent76
  62. Pastor Jones obviously has a lot of devoted sheep on this thread bleating idiotically at the much wiser and knowledgeable God(free) Roberts.

    – “it is perfectly possible for one to know God.” Precisely, but who wants that? Belief is so much easier.


  63. Anonymous[715] • Disclaimer says:

    The root cause of the problem is that the Chinese are well regarded and admired and welcomed everywhere, more so than people from any other country I would say. Even “based” Eastern Europe is full of Chinese people.

    In the past they were regarded as cruel and unhygienic people and referred to as the “Yellow Peril”, but you never hear anyone call them that any more. Nowadays they are welcomed everywhere and live everywhere in large numbers so it’s no surprise they spread highly deadly infectious diseases the world over.

  64. Dumbo says:

    Pasolini’s Gospel According to St. Matthew is probably his best movie, the one that stands out in his filmography.

    Salò is almost unbearable to watch because of the subject matter. If anyone expects an exciting erotic film, they will be rudely surprised. I can’t even say if it is a good or a bad movie; I saw it once many years ago and would not watch it again.

  65. dimples says:

    This article is a pile of rambling mumbo jumbo. A bit of religious glob here, some cultural glob there, whatever the author can dredge up out of his fervid imagination. Anything to make a buck. What has porn got to do with coronavirus? Nothing as far as I can see. Apparently Italians stuck at home watch more porn so that’s bad I guess. Going to have to ban that since technicolor depictions of sex are ungodly, not to mention that it’s sex out of marriage as well. Is the author heavily obsessed by porn for some personal psychological reason I wonder? The Italians will probably eat more food while stuck at home twiddling their thumbs as well so probably should ban that too, else they risk God’s final judgement. Yawn.

    • Replies: @Darrell Wright
  66. skrik says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I don’t do belief

    .. neither do I, but since we seem to have argy-bargy between Newton et al. [strict cause and effect] vs. religion [deities, belief, fantasies aka wishful thinking], I present my ‘rationale’ = logical basis:

    One of the ‘strongest’ conservation laws states that matter/energy can neither be created nor destroyed, corollary = one may be changed into another, good examples being our Sun and ‘atomic’ bombs, say. By ‘strongest’ I mean that no exception has ever been observed [and none expected by level-headed ‘rationalists,’ say.]

    Apart from some asserted ‘supernatural’ angle, any ‘communication’ from a putative deity, by definition ‘outside’ our real-world universe is ‘physically’ impossible, since a) people are constructed from matter [= protons, neutrons, electrons and possibly transient photons], b) for any such deity-human communication to occur would imply a violation of that conservation law by c) ‘causelessly’ changing some matter-state to stimulate some sense-organ, say. Simply can’t happen; QED

    Of course, believers invoke exactly that = supernatural, thus descending into an irrational spiral-down. Enjoy & rgds.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  67. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    You might have guessed he’d pin the blame on his obsession – “the church”

    What a load of garbage. The same few talking points over and over again

  68. Seraphim says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    ‘Being persuaded of the truth of…’ is not of the 13th century, but is the definition of ‘faith’ from the 1st century AD: “Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see” (Hebrews 11:1).
    In Scripture, faith and belief are not exactly the same. Faith always comes from God and involves His revelation therefore faith is ‘beyond belief’!

    Strong’s Concordance:
    pistis: faith, faithfulness [Latin: fides=trust, confidence, loyalty]
    Original Word: πίστις, εως, ἡ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
    Transliteration: pistis
    Phonetic Spelling: (pis’-tis)
    Definition: faith, faithfulness
    Usage: faith, belief, trust, confidence; fidelity, faithfulness.
    4102 pístis (from 3982/peithô, “persuade, be persuaded”) – properly, persuasion (be persuaded, come to trust); faith.
    Faith (4102/pistis) is always a gift from God, and never something that can be produced by people. In short, 4102/pistis (“faith”) for the believer is “God’s divine persuasion” – and therefore distinct from human belief (confidence), yet involving it. The Lord continuously births faith in the yielded believer so they can know what He prefers, i.e. the persuasion of His will (1 Jn 5:4).
    4102 (pistis) in secular antiquity referred to a guarantee (warranty). In Scripture, faith is God’s warranty, certifying that the revelation He inbirthed will come to pass (His way).
    The root of pistis (“faith”) is peithô (“to persuade, be persuaded”) which supplies the core-meaning of faith (“divine persuasion”). It is God’s warranty that guarantees the fulfillment of the revelation He births within the receptive believer (cf. 1 Jn 5:4 with Heb 11:1).
    Faith (4102/pistis) is always received from God, and never generated by us.
    Ro 12:3: “For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith (4102/pistis)”
    Eph 2:8,9: ” For by grace you have been saved through faith (4102/pistis); and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast”.

    But, of course we know that: “when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?” so there is no need to point out that ‘people don’t do belief’.

  69. @SeekerofthePresence

    He should have said : “If you believe something irrational“.

    You want a relevant example? If you believe that during a certain ritual ordinary wine literally transsubstantionates into the blood of a Jewish carpenter who died 2000 years ago and that ordinary bread during said ritual literally transsubstantionates into his flesh. As if that is not bad enough, you should also believe that drinking and eating said substances will secure your eternal salvation.

    With all his talk about “Logos”, Jones is essentially an irrational Medieval obscurantist for whom continuing bizarre rituals is more important than saving lives.

    Is Logos rising? Well we don’t know, but anyway not with Jones’ ideas.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  70. @Godfree Roberts

    Indeed, that is the difference between hypothesis and dogma. The one facilitates progress, the other stagnation.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  71. @Kim

    He also regularly claims that the Chinese government is not authoritarian. He really is a lampoon of a fellow traveler.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  72. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Can you provide us with a direct quote and link to something I’ve written in which I claim that the Chinese government is not authoritarian?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  73. I use this page as I find the one from John Hopkins suspect. I think some numbers should be looked at and people should decide just how serious the Coronavirus is:

    % US Population tested as of 29 March 2020 – .25% (831,351)
    % tested who test positive – 16.73%
    % tested who test negative – 83.27%
    % tested who get Hospitalized – 2.37%
    % Infected who get Hospitalized – 14.19%
    % Infected who die – 1.75%

    Percentage of those Tested who dies – .288%

    Worst case sceanario as of 3/29/20 is 957,374 people could die from this virus if the % of 3/29/20 remain constant, but our death rate has dropped from a high of 2.73% (occured on 3/12/20).

    Per the CDC webpage the N1H1 (swine flu) Pandemic infected 61 million Americans of which 12,469 died in 09. President Obama declared it an emergency in Oct 09 (7 months into the Pandemic’s season 04/09 – 04/10)

    8,234 had died before he declared.

    Bear in mind the H1N1 DR for 09-10 was .021% substantially lower than the DR rate of Coronavirus, we are only in week 13 of the Coronavirus discovery (January through March)

    Remember, from 03/12 to 03/28 the death rate has dropped 35.9% (2.73 to 1.75)

    Caution is advisable but panic is unacceptable.

  74. I use this page as I find the one from John Hopkins suspect. I think some numbers should be looked at and people should decide just how serious the Coronavirus is:

    % US Population tested as of 29 March 2020 – .25% (831,351)
    % tested who test positive – 16.73%
    % tested who test negative – 83.27%
    % tested who get Hospitalized – 2.37%
    % Infected who get Hospitalized – 14.19%
    % Infected who die – 1.75%

    Percentage of those Tested who dies – .288%

    Worst case sceanario as of 3/29/20 is 957,374 people could die from this virus if the % of 3/29/20 remain constant, but our death rate has dropped from a high of 2.73% (occured on 3/12/20)!!

    Per the CDC webpage the N1H1 (swine flu) Pandemic infected 61 million Americans of which 12,469 died in 09. President Obama declared it an emergency in Oct 09 (7 months into the Pandemic’s season 04/09 – 04/10)

    8,234 had died before he declared.

    Bear in mind the H1N1 DR for 09-10 was .021% substantially lower than the DR rate of Coronavirus, we are only in week 13 of the Coronavirus discovery (January through March)

    Remember, from 03/12 to 03/28 the death rate has dropped 35.9% (2.73 to 1.75)

    Caution is advisable but panic is unacceptable.

  75. @attilathehen

    The Orthodox Church with its racial/ethnic churche will be the church of the West.


    The most notable Orthodox on this site, for one example, is praising the lockdowns and harshly chastising those Christians who wish to be able to celebrate Easter.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  76. @Anon

    I am also typically critical of 1P5, but that particular article that I linked was fine. Did you read it?

    And, yes, de Mattei is a great writer.

    • Replies: @Anon
  77. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Godfree Roberts

    I don’t do belief, nor does anyone need to. Working hypotheses are more than sufficient for day-to-day living and leave us open to revise our opinions, while belief discourages revision..

    It’s the difference between zealotry and pragmatism. Pragmatists are not particularly interested in finding some eternal truth. They’re more likely to just go with something that seems to be working.

    Unfortunately we are now very much in an Age of Zealotry.

    • Agree: Alfred
  78. I agree with Solzhenitsyn, the calamity called the 20th Century starting in 1917 and leading right up until now is the result of man having forgotten God.

    Nothing happens by chance.

    Good article.

    • Agree: nickels
  79. Saggy says: • Website

    I do understand the math.

    It was Bernoulli who has proven that the inverse-square central force of attraction leads to conic orbits using Leibniz approach because Newton’s geometric methods were cumbersome and nobody really used them but Newton:

    It’s true that Newton used geometric, as opposed to algebraic, methods. He didn’t give a ‘modern’ proof, so what? Feynmann gave a geometric proof, similar to Newton’s, here ….

    The point is that Newton solved the mystery that had haunted the human race from the beginning, the motion of objects in the sky. Modern math and physics began with Newton. Leibnitz didn’t have an ‘approach’ to solving the problem.

    • Replies: @utu
  80. What looks like the end of the world as we know it is in reality the dawning of the world as God wants it.

    Bravo, Dr. Jones. It took great courage to write such a profoundly reassuring essay while others just count official beans. The soulless technocrats using this bizarre “health crisis” to drive their own agenda of degeneracy, infanticide, greed, war and pestulance may have finally miscalculated. Our errant world of materialism is being weighed in the balance against the spiritual side of existence that was once so obvious to our ancestors over the millennia. Too bad the shallow careerists who now dominate the clergy are AWOL or have gone over to the other side.

  81. Alfred says:

    Good news for everyone over 70. 🙂

    A look at his rosy cheeks confirms that he drinks at least one bottle of wine every day.

    Let’s hope his mother can also handle it. When that happens, we will be sure that this was a hoax to scare young people.

    I really cannot believe that my generation of 68ers would have respected the laws of isolation and non-congregation. The present lot are a bunch of limp-wristed simpletons!

    Palace confirms 71-year-old future king is in ‘good health’ after recovering from coronavirus

  82. Saggy says: • Website

    Checking your reference …

    Newton did not solve differential equation to prove that orbits are conical curves using his calculus. He assumed an elliptical orbit after Kepler and geometrically proved that inverse square law force is consistent with this orbit.

    Nonsense. The ‘differential equation’ is the inverse square law. Newton showed that the inverse square law produces elliptical orbits, solving the problem using geometric methods. As per the Feynmann lecture, all that was required was ‘infinite intelligence.’

    • Replies: @utu
  83. Alfred says:

    Yet another coronavirus victim. What a shame!

    Thank you Daily Mail for doing your duty and scaring all the women of England.

    Brave DJ, 30, who battled leukaemia for two years dies of coronavirus after selflessly telling doctors to ‘save someone else’

    Doubtless, it will have coronavirus on his death certificate.

  84. Emslander says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Everybody believes in something. Some believe in “science”. Better to believe in what is obvious all around us, a loving God who has given us the means of eternal salvation.

  85. “you must admit the liceity of killing the fetus.”
    liceity = not illicit
    I got that, but liciety is not an English word; nor is licity

  86. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    If Mr Jones article revolves around belief, here’s anudda manifestation of a certain belief:

    This is almost too crazy to believe…then you see what has happened and continues to happen in ‘STOLENLAND’ AKA Palestine..Watch it NOW before it gets Memory Holed.

    Israeli Rabbi Shalom Arush corona virus is for non Jews (Goyims)

    • Thanks: Just another serf
  87. @attilathehen

    Don’t you CIA and Trump fanatics have something better to do than try and get Americans hating China?
    Did the “Let’s kill all Muzzies” shtick wear out?

    Your God Emperor Trump BLEW it big time on his handling of this epidemic so you’re gonna direct our hate and anger against China?

    He does not deal with the homo priests, bishops and cardianls who now control the RCC.

    Speaking of homo religious types, what about those Mohel Rabbis that get PAID to surgically mutilate a baby boy’s penis, then use their LIPS to suck on the penis to remove the blood?
    Guess we won’t see a “60 Minutes” segment on that perversion?

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  88. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I have read it, after this second opportunity, thank you.

    Perhaps we are fated to be the Remnant. In a way it would be easier. However, until we can be sure of that.. we must support the faithful clergy and their charitable works. I’m sure you know the FSSP. No one who has visited a sick people home run by Mother Teresa’s order can miss the joy and charity that lives there. The Legionnaires of Christ’ schools do a passable job of churning out catholic youth, as incredible as it may seem. Even modernist priests can be helped by contact with traditional laity, if the correction is done right. I’ll even have some modernists over for lunch, with the family duly warned.

    I’m mostly 😀 done with griping. I’m all for the good fight. Perhaps Pope Benedict’s immolation was the start, and there is indeed a cunning to history. The Church is a hierarchy, and real estate and liturgy. It is also a Communion, and on our side is the Church Triumphant. We’ll see.

  89. Emslander says:

    The spiritual realities are returning to the level of human consciousness, where they always existed before the flickering of electrons on screens drowned them out for a while. In the war between ugly materialism and the beauty of spiritual ordering, the reality of the Logos will always win. Human beings, if left to their own devices, not giving in to the temptations of the Serpent, will always be attracted by beauty.

    Thank you EMJ for a spectacular essay. The Catholic Church’s authorities only did what the beaten down human race has been tortured into. Spiritual beauty, such as that in the Holy Week celebrations, will be sorely longed for by many faithful during this ban, where it has been taken for granted for too long.

  90. @Igor Svetnick's Confessor

    Partly correct. Mankind forgot God because his leaders deliberately rejected God.

    • Replies: @Darrell Wright
  91. What are the odds that Soros might catch the virus and leave the world stage?

  92. @Anon

    I attend an FSSP parish. Currently my attendance is “virtual.” It’s sad, but, regardless of whether or not these quarantines are appropriate, I’ve accepted this as God’s punishment which the faithful must suffer through – and from which we must learn.

    As for griping, you are correct. I “vent” to my friends, but I generally avoid griping. That said, the thing that proves our government to be an Orwellian scam is that they use the term “social distancing” instead of “martial law.”

    By the way, two priests in the Diocese of Pittsburgh have this particular flu bug. Pray for them. Tragically, the modernist bishop, Zubik, is locking down everything in response and even cutting down on drive-through confessions. Perhaps some priests will still do confession “on the down low,” but who knows? I worry that Zubik’s rash action will spread. Pray for those who will be affected.

    That act alone is proof of the mass psychosis driving this crisis. There is absolutely no reason to justify the end to drive-through confessions. The risk factor there is far and away zilch compared to, say, going to the grocery store. And remember, the MLB, masks and all, played a FULL season of baseball in 1919 despite Spanish flu. It was Babe Ruth’s breakout season with the Red Sox, the year before his sale to New York. And, despite the panicky projections of many “experts” and bloggers, Corona virus has nothing on Spanish flu.

    We must point out these things without losing a spirit of charity. I myself have much work to do on the latter account.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @gsjackson
  93. Agent76 says:


    Until you know your place, you will be unable to change it.

    Mar 28, 2020 The Greatest Depression

    Now the world is being led into the Age of Biological Terror with a controlled demolition of the economy that is already causing unprecedented carnage across markets and around the globe.

  94. Malla says:

    The Rockefeller Foundation admired the Chinese because of the draconian measures they took in fighting the virus and criticized the United States’

    The Rockefellers created Maoist China to begin with. Indeed even Stalin was not interested in a PRC, he wanted half of China under Communism and half under capitalism like Korea and what Vietnam became. It were the Rockefellers to forced him in supporting a 100 mainland Communist China.

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  95. Malla says:

    Here is a youtube from India that has a good explanation for what happened:

    Oy Vey, WION is an Indian deep state channel. And nothing in this universe is more butt hurt about the rise of China than the Indian deep state, Indian media and huge chunk (not 100%) of the Indian population. I would not take anything from WION, especially anything related to China, seriously.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  96. @Malla

    What is the source of this claim?

    • Replies: @Malla
  97. Agent76 says:

    Mar 30, 2020 Corona-Madness: Authoritarianism Is Not The Answer!

    Those numbers can change and it can be a serious disease, but as after 9/11 we are being told we must sacrifice our liberties in the name of security. Government did not deliver then and it will not deliver now. Liberty stolen will not be returned. Is there a better way?

  98. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    “By the way, two priests in the Diocese of Pittsburgh have this particular flu bug. Pray for them. “

    Will do.

  99. Galeano says:

    Upset with Newton and feminism and rehabilitating Focoault and Pasolini. Here is the confused head of a Catholic who misses the middle ages (or what he imagines it was) upset that Easter has been canceled! Can someone please send you a chocolate egg with a Seneca inscription?

  100. Malla says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Joseph Stalin’s reluctance to create Communist China

    As Prof Oliver says


    “Given the small extent of their territories and the concentration of their populations, a real war between Britain and France, for example, could be only the equivalent of the situation that was once much debated by theorists of the code of honor, a duel to be fought with pistols at arm’s length. At the present time, the only powers that could fight a real war are the United States and the two that it created for the destruction of civilization, Soviet Russia and China.”

    “France possessed Indo-China until it was taken from her by American treachery (15) and Communist China, which the Americans had created by stabbing their Chinese allies in the back.”

    The above statement completely matches Prof Fursov’s assertion in the above video that the American banking elites backstabbed the Chinese Nationalists and supported and brought Mao to power.


    United States Betrayed China Into Communism. But Why?

    Stanton Evans – US State Dept put Mao in power

    Mao, Yale, CIA, China!

    • Agree: S
    • Thanks: Beefcake the Mighty
  101. utu says:

    “The ‘differential equation’ is the inverse square law. Newton showed that the inverse square law produces elliptical orbits, solving the problem using geometric methods.”

    No. Newton proved “If B then A” but he did not formally prove “If A then B”, where B = “elliptic orbit” and A=”inverse square law”. It was Bernoulli who proved “If A then B”.

    Furthermore, the square law was postulated by Hooke and while it’s possible that Newton thought of it earlier he did not tell anybody.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  102. utu says:

    The mystery was the inverse square law and it was proposed by Hooke. Newton solved only 1/2 of the problem: he showed that elliptic orbit necessitated the inverse square law but he did not show that inverse square law implies elliptic orbit. Bernoulli done the latter using Leibniz approach.

    Obviously Leibniz methodology better but Leibniz himself did not work on the orbits problem.

  103. @Franklin Ryckaert

    A universe conceived in love
    Is not known by math and lenses.
    But through His eyes the measure of,
    Heart knows beyond feeble senses.

  104. @Pheasant

    Bro … *takes huge hit from the blunt*

    someone who believes something will believe anything.

    Broooo, so deep bro. How did we never think of that before bruh

    Retard Godfree should lay off the weed (or is it crack?) for a little while.

  105. Saggy says: • Website

    Good grief, you do not understand the problem. Where are you getting this idiocy?

    The law of gravity is an ‘inverse square’ law. When you use the law of gravity and the 2nd law of motion you get an inverse square law for the acceleration of an object in a gravitational field. This is a differential equation. Newton shows that the differential equation for acceleration produces elliptical orbits, and you can see a similar proof by watching the Feynman vid.

    • Replies: @utu
  106. @cortesar

    You could read Fr Garrigou-Lagrange’s book, “Predestination” to correct your error.

    But, you won’t.

  107. @Mick Jagger gathers no mosque

    I have to ask: what is the origin of your unique screen name?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Omegabooks
  108. utu says:

    Newton showed that elliptical orbit implies 1/r^2 central force. He did not solve the differential equation with 1/r^2 on the lhs of the equation.

    Hooke: proposed that 1/r^2 law explains Kepler
    Haley: asked Newton to prove that 1/r^2 implies Kepler
    Newton: elliptic orbit —-> 1/r^2
    Bernoulli: 1/r^2 —-> elliptic orbit (a proof that 1/r^2 implies Kepler).

    Is it too nuanced for you? Newton, BTW, also was not very nuanced. He did not understand what constitutes a mathematical proof. He never grasped the axiomatic nature of Euclidean geometry.

    • Agree: Omegabooks
    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @daniel le mouche
  109. Anon[285] • Disclaimer says:

    The government should shut down all Rockefeller and Soros foundations, think tanks, and NGOs. Too much mischief gets planned and aided in those groups. Those paid intellectuals who dream up ways to assail populaces woildnt have so much free time on their hands if they had to work for a living instead of being paid to invent treacheries.

  110. “…Science, as the Anglo-American tradition which derives from Newton tells us, is used to define what is real, which is to say all categories of nature. Religion now concedes to science the right to say what is real and what is not real….”

    Which is another reason I do Christ (nature), not religion (mind…man made doctrines). If only science is used to define what is real…all categories of nature…and religion now concedes to science the right to say what is real and what is not real, the religion is giving in to science and its “religion,” atheism. I have no problem with science (and esp. math, which is truth), but when “science” is controlled by those who use science to “prove” the unprovable (such as “evolution”…and creationism is NOT science!), then “science” (which must have empirical proof…did Darwin see those finches evolve? Or did he just make that up to deny the existence of God? Now that’s a FreeMason!) is NOT TRUTH and is NOT REAL! Long live mathematics, where 2+2 never equals 5! (Theoretical math on the other hand…)

  111. Agent76 says:

    Mar 23, 2020 Possible New Cure for Chinese Coronavirus?

  112. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Mick Jagger reads Garrigou-Lagrange.. mmm.. we must look to Wilde perhaps: “The Catholic Church is for saints and sinners alone. For regular people, the Church of England will do.”

    I do hope he answers.

  113. Amon says:

    2.3 mortality rate.

    2.3 percent of a hundred is 2.3 dead humans.
    2.3 percent of a million is 230,000 dead humans humans.
    2,3 percent of four hundred eighty million is 11,040,000 dead humans. (Bigger casualty outcome than any US war ever.)

    The Spanish flu had a mortality rate of less than 1 percent, but killed off fifty million in two years, by that statistic alone the Spanish flu infected half the worlds population and did more damage than WWI. In the U.S. alone about 28% of the population of hundred and five million became infected, and 500,000 to 675,000 died (0.48 to 0.64 percent of the population).

    What none of the clowns writing up all these BS “It’s a flu bro” articles never tell you is that the mild flu strain stands to bump off a dozen million in the US alone if left unchecked.. Plus I would like to see the yahoo morons actually stand before congress and suggest that they should just let the old and young die in masses to protect the stock portfolios of the top 5 percent of the population because muh constitutional freedoms bro.

    Its the kind of s*** show that leads to politicians getting lynched, rich fops beheaded and revolutions tearing nations down.

  114. @attilathehen

    You will believe in anything.

  115. Agent76 says:

    Mar 30, 2020 The Totally Spontaneous Health Worker Balcony Applause Phenomenon – #PropagandaWatch

    Are you thanking the valiant soldiers in the war on the invisible enemy? Yes? Good. But are your thanking them in the right way? At the appropriate time? Using the state-sanctioned hashtag? No?

  116. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Well, Mick Jagger doesn’t gather churches or synagogues either….unless it’s the “synagogue” of Satan…Bwahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahh (“Symapthy for the Devil” and all that…)

  117. ! says:
    @Felix Culpa

    feliz culpa tu abuela..

  118. Saggy says: • Website

    I”ve explained it to you twice now. You don’t understand anything. You are parroting some source, who doesn’t understand anything. What is your source?
    you do not know what a differential equation is
    you do not know what a solution to a differential equation is
    you do not understand how the 2nd law of motion is essential
    you don’t understand the Feynman vid …

    • Replies: @utu
  119. Ano4 says:

    Thanks for your insightful comment.

    Things are really becoming complicated indeed.

    But why do you write “we” vs “you”?

    Aren’t we all in this together?

    Aren’t we “waves from the same sea?”

    Should we think that this is a zero sum game?

    And if we do, should we make our best to destroy you…

  120. Ano4 says:

    There is no dichotomy between matter and information.

    No dichotomy between information and energy.

    And no dichotomy either between matter and energy.

    They are all interlinked, fused together, inseparable.

    There is no outside this world.

    There is no outside of God.

    Reality is One.

    No need to divide it into fanciful categories…

    • Replies: @skrik
  121. utu says:

    The differential equation to be solved is r“=kr/r^3 where r is a vector and r=|r| is its magnitude. Newton did not solve this equation! Bernoulli did.

    Newton took Kepler 1st law and thus assumed the trajectory to be an ellipse ; from the 2nd law he got how velocity v must depend on position on the ellipse; then he geometrically differentiate the velocity v and thus obtained v‘= r” vector which he showed that it always points to the focal point of the ellipse and it had an absolute value proportional to 1/r^2. He stopped at that.

    Once again, Newton did not solve the differential equation and did not prove that Kepler laws follow form the differential equation of the 2nd law of dynamics. He did the converse. He showed that Kepler laws imply the inverse square law.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  122. @Kim

    Very well said! Couldn’t agree more.

  123. @Amon

    Oh please.

    Dr. Fauci recently co-authored a paper in which the authors said:

    “… the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.”

    Emphasis mine.

    Left unexplained is why we are taking statist measures far more severe and repressive than those of 1957 and 1968.

  124. Hempus says:

    Fine, some people all over the world have the antibodies to this virus. Means its an old virus from the group of corona viruses. Forget about weaponized!
    Weaponized is the clever advertising and marketing of fear by using a conspiracy ventilator!

    It remains me very much about the HIV caused AIDS theory.
    Wherever they have carried the Test…AIDS breaked out.
    The solution was a rubber wall placed between men and woman

    Now, Bill Gates want to sell some tests and later for sure a vaccine. Social distancing and shootdown of the worldwide economy is the political correct decision. The only booming industry is the production of respiratory ventilators, tests and protection cloth.
    Good luck with that!

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  125. Trinity says:

    Never fear, Trumpstein has the “My Pillow” dude working on his team now. And I am sure he has plenty of Jewish doctors around to save the day as well. smdh at the dog and pony show.

  126. Saggy says: • Website

    The differential equation to be solved is r“=kr/r^3 where r is a vector and r=|r| is its magnitude. Newton did not solve this equation! Bernoulli did.

    Bernoulli did not (I haven’t checked on Bernoulli but the equation does not have a closed form solution.) Instead it is possible to use the original DE to derive a function of r as a function of angle, and that DE is solvable. From that the shape of the orbit can be derived. Both Kepler and Newton derived methods to numerically calculate a solution to the original DE based on Kepler’s laws.

    If you go to 11:30-12:30 in the Feynman vid of the geometric proof you’ll see that the shape of the orbit is determined by the inverse square law, not vice versa.

    • Replies: @utu
  127. Anonymous[603] • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Godfrey, you just got burned you poor old fool. Lol!

  128. utu says:

    The key to realizing the limits of scientific world view are consciousness and free will. Science is attempting to explain them away as epiphenomena because ideologically atheistic science can’t allow for their existence because their real existence is outside of science while within the science they are mere epiphenomena. This is the chief point on the limit of the scientific outlook which C.S. Lewis captured as follows:

    “Granted that Reason is prior to matter, I can understand men should come to know a lot about the universe they live in. If, on the other hand, I swallow the scientific cosmology and for “scientific cosmology” we might read “Darwinism” as world view then not only can I not fit in religion, but I cannot even fit science…

    If minds are wholly dependent on brains, and brains on biochemistry, and biochemistry on the meaningless flux of the atoms, I cannot understand how the thoughts of those minds should have any more significance than the sound of the wind in the trees.” – C.S. Lewis

    Without the priority of consciousness and free will there is no science and the science of reductionism pushed by shortsighted simpletons is trying to explain away consciousness and free will which really is cutting the branch on which it sits.

  129. Seraphim says:
    @Mick Jagger gathers no mosque

    Congratulations, Garrigou-Lagrange is not for the faint-hearted and scatterbrained. You bet that not only nobody would read him, but they will spit on him (and on you).

    • Replies: @Anon
  130. DNC Dispatch: “When we’re certain we can steal the November election via mail-in ballots, ballot harvesting and keeping the economy at a standstill, only then will we end #coronahoax.”

  131. @SeekerofthePresence

    Franklin, like most people today, even most Catholics in the new Vatican II, Novus Ordo counter-church, doesn’t believe in transubstantiation (note the correct spelling). But neither did many of Jesus’s disciples, who left him because “This is a hard saying.” (John 6.60, 66). He let them go. There are a number of amazing eucharistic miracles to help us believe in this doctrine, e.g. the one in Lanciano, Italy, but then again, one needs to first believe in the divinity of Christ, which reading of the gospels should lead to for anyone who is willing to repent of their sins, especially their sexually disordered life. “The fool says in his heart (not his head), ‘There is no God.’ Their deeds are corrupt, depraved….” (Psalm 53.1), which blinds them to the truth about God and about themselves. Humble repentance of sin is the first step toward happiness in this life and eternal salvation, and avoiding eternal damnation.

  132. utu says:

    Bernoulli did not (I haven’t checked on Bernoulli but the equation does not have a closed form solution.)

    You haven’t read but you know that he did not, right? Bernoulli did solve it in a close form. Read “The Kepler Problem from Newton to Johann Bernoulli” by David Speiser in Archive for History of Exact Sciences Vol. 50, No. 2 (August 1996), pp. 103-116 or go to archives to read original papers:
    The Scientific Legacy of the Bernoullis: The Bernoulli Edition presents a critical, fully annotated edition of the collected works and correspondence of these authors. It includes their scientific publications, the most important of those texts which exist only in manuscript form, and an extensive selection of their correspondence, for the most part hitherto unpublished.

    Bernoulli solved it as we do it now by using polar coordinates and applied a useful trick by introducing a variable u=1/r.

    Perhaps it is time for to you quit denying the historical events. I understand that for a Newton cultist it might be hard but believe me it is possible.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Saggy
  133. utu says:

    OL, I got pdf of DAVID SPEISER’s “The Kepler Problem from Newton to Johann Bernoulli”.

    NEWTON solved what was called afterwards for a short time “the direct KEPLER problem” (“le probl me direct”): given a curve (e.g. an ellipse) and the center of attraction (e.g. the focus), what is the law of this attraction if KEPLER’S second law holds?

    The “probl6me inverse” (today: the “problbme direct”) was attacked system- atically only later, first by JACOBHERMANN,then solved completely by JOHANN BERNOULLI in 1710 and following BERNOULLIby PIERRE VARIGNON. HOW did BERNOULLI solve the problem? What method did he use for this purpose and which of his accomplishments do we still follow today?”

  134. @Kim

    The Soviets did not lie either. They believed that what they saw was true the way they saw it.

    • Replies: @Kim
  135. S says:

    The Whig oligarchs weaponized Newtonian physics through Masonic lodges which were established on the continent to bring down the Bourbon monarchy under the direction of Jean Theophilus Desaguliers, who was a member of the Royal Society, a Freemason and protégé of Newton himself.

    Interesting commentary about the British Whig party involvement in setting off the 1789 Communist French Revolution. To the extent the claim about Desaguliers subversion of the French monarchy is more or less accurate, it compliments the linked article below, which claims the British Whig party was also quite involved in setting off the 1776 Capitalist American Revolution as well.

    [From a site dedicated to preserving the memory and life work of royal governor Jonathan Belcher, first North American born British freemason.]

    It’s more evidence that closely paralleling Capitalism and Communism have the same roots and that the dialectical struggle between these two systems is a manufactured one that has been broadly controlled and guided ever since by human hands, more than likely those hands historically being centered in London.

    • Thanks: Malla
  136. @Darrell Wright

    “..Franklin, like most people today, even most Catholics in the new Vatican II, Novus Ordo counter-church, doesn’t believe in transubstantiation (note the correct spelling)…”

    The “correct” spelling in English (which according to the dictionary is indeed transubstantiation) is actually wrong. The combination of trans plus substantiation should be transsubstantiation (with double ‘s’). In my own language, Dutch, it is indeed transsubstantiatie, hence my “wrong” spelling in English.

    BTW, “most Catholics…doesn’t believe”, should be “most Catholics… don’t believe”.

    For the rest : de fide non disputandum est.

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  137. Over 11,000 words in this allegedly Christian missive- yet not one word about JESUS.

    • Agree: Gleimhart Mantooso
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  138. @Godfree Roberts

    That’s because you have a mind cluttered by untruth and sophistry.

  139. @Hempus

    Exactly, it’s a replay of the HIV-AIDS scam. As far as I can tell, they haven’t even shown that Covid-19 actually causes any disease. Which is probably why they insist on only testing people who show symptoms that are shared with the common flu. With AIDS, however, they were never going to convince the general population that they were at risk of something that was chiefly affecting promiscuous gays. They’ve got their magic germ this time.

  140. Why is this rag so full of fucking papists?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  141. Saggy says: • Website

    Bernoulli did solve it in a close form.

    There is no closed form solution.

    Bernoulli solved it as we do it now by using polar coordinates and applied a useful trick by introducing a variable u=1/r.

    This trick is used to solve the equation for r as a function of angle, as you can see here –

    Perhaps it is time for to you quit denying the historical events.

    Perhaps it is time for you to stop discussing topics about which you know nothing.

    • Replies: @utu
  142. Hibernian says:

    Leibnitz provided rigorous proofs for the basic principles of calculus. I don’t think anyobne seriously thinks he’s on the same plane as Newton overall, just in the field of calculus. A disproportionate number of the outstanding figures in calculus were French: Laplace, Lagrange, and L’Hospital.

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @utu
  143. Kim says:
    @ploni almoni

    The Soviets did not lie either. They believed that what they saw was true the way they saw it.

    Were the Soviets you refer to human beings? Yes? Then they lied. Lying, along with greed and selfishness and violence, is part of human nature.

    Yes, yes, I know that communists say that they don’t believe in human nature – the idiotic analogy being that water takes the shape of the container that holds it – but that is so stupid I don’t bother even to address it. Why not? Because people who say that they don’t believe in human nature are not being sincere. That is, they are lying.

    So yes, the Soviets also lied. People are greedy and selfish. If they are bad people (most of us are) they advance their greed and selfishness through lies and violence. This includes “Soviets”. End of story.

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  144. Hibernian says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    I’ve never seen it spelled in English with a double “s.” The dictionary is right. A lot of compound words are similarly spelled. What is the relevance of the Dutch spelling to the English spelling?

  145. utu says:

    Your denial and refusal to accept facts is understandable. As a Newton cultist your belief in the omniscience of the object of your adoration confrontation with facts that somewhat diminish attributes of Newton from your imagination can be a painful experience. But you will get over it. How much time will it take? It will be a test of your character. Will your love of truth overcome your bruised ego?

    Here is an article available on the net that repeats what was said here plus it shows steps Bernoulli and Jacob Hermann took to solve the Inverse Problem which is integration while solving the differently equation while Newton solved the Direct Problem which require differentiation.

    Miscellanea from the History of Celestial Mechanics by Volk, O. in Celestial Mechanics, Volume 14, Issue 3, pp.365-382

  146. @Zarathustra

    Concerning Paulo Pasolini, he also made a pretty good movie about life of Christ.
    Talking so much about Pasolini how come he did not mention that.

    I know it was a looong article and therefore hard to keep track of the many details but he did mention it:

    “Pasolini was no stranger to religious films. His film on the Gospel of St. Matthew had garnered praise from the Vatican.”

  147. Saggy says: • Website

    Leibnitz provided rigorous proofs for the basic principles of calculus. I don’t think anyobne seriously thinks he’s on the same plane as Newton overall, j

    As you have seen, there is some oddball group of idiots, apparently La Rouche is one but there are others, who want to disparage Newton. The reason? A mystery.

    Come to think of it, EMJones disparages Newton …. this is really weird … but here the reason is clear I think …. as enlightenment science destroyed religion (or at least should have … what remains is a hollow shell I think compared to what religion used to be).

    I recall that Newton was denounced by the church in his time, oddly enough by Bishop George Berkeley, namesake of the University,,,,

    And what are these Fluxions? The Velocities of evanescent Increments? And what are these same evanescent Increments? They are neither finite Quantities nor Quantities infinitely small, nor yet nothing. May we not call them the ghosts of departed quantities?

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  148. vot tak says:

    The article begins with some irrelevant nonsense about about some mythical king whom israelis often use as a symbol of their repulsive state (david vs goliath, israel vs the antisemitic rest of the world) and then further down repeats the israeli anti-China propaganda that has long ago been debunked and dismissed as such. There I stopped reading, realising I was wasting my time.

    Garbage in, garbage out.

  149. utu says:

    “I don’t think anyone seriously thinks [Leibniz is] on the same plane as Newton overall, just in the field of calculus.” – True in the anglophone world but in continental Europe not necessarily so. Leibniz is also appreciated by his contribution to philosophy. While Newton ideas outside science were kooky. One reason Leibniz is downplayed besides of the British PR efforts, is that he did not fit the Enlightenment project with his philosophy in which he did not reject God. Voltaire who was partisan of Newton did a lot to ridicule Leibniz philosophy. What is ironical in it is that if true beliefs of Newton were known he certainly would not be put on the banners of the Enlightenment project. Because he was a crank and kook. He considered himself to be Christian but did not believe in Trinity and thought that God possibly had more sons than just one Jesus. The fact that he was born on Christmas Day may had something to do with it. He wasted lots of time on numerology, Kabbalah and ‘decoding’ the Bible. His archives after his death were wisely sealed so his reputation, so important for British Empire PR project, was not tarnished.

    John Maynard Keynes who bought Newton archives on Newton:

    In the eighteenth century and since, Newton came to be thought of as the first and greatest of the modern age of scientists, a rationalist, one who taught us to think on the lines of cold and untinctured reason.

    I do not see him in this light. I do not think that any one who has pored over the contents of that box which he packed up when he finally left Cambridge in 1696 and which, though partly dispersed, have come down to us, can see him like that. Newton was not the first of the age of reason. He was the last of the magicians, the last of the Babylonians and Sumerians, the last great mind which looked out on the visible and intellectual world with the same eyes as those who began to build our intellectual inheritance rather less than 10,000 years ago. Isaac Newton, a posthumous child bom with no father on Christmas Day, 1642, was the last wonderchild to whom the Magi could do sincere and appropriate homage


    Leibniz had much greater impact on the development of calculus than Newton. Newton’s ideas were incomprehensible. He often arrived at correct solutions but his reasoning was hard to follow and verify. While having calculus he often did not apply it as if he did not know how. For some reason it took him many years to produce the critical result that gravity of a sphere is equivalent to that of a point which requires 3D integration. This delayed publication of his work on gravity. In the end he did not use his calculus to get this result.

    Newton’s daunting reputation intimidated British mathematicians. England did not produce another first-rate mathematician for over a century. Undaunted and unintimidated by their English neighbors, the rest of Europe, lead by the Bernoulli family, Leonard Euler, D’Alembert, Lagrange, Laplace, Fourier, and many others, quickly expanded analytical analysis through differential equations, the calculus of variations, etc.

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  150. utu says:

    Berkeley attacks foundations of calculus and only indirectly Newton as well as Leibniz. He criticized the concept of infinitesimals which was created by Leibniz.

    Berkeley did not dispute the results of calculus; he acknowledged the results were true. The thrust of his criticism was that Calculus was not more logically rigorous than religion. He instead questioned whether mathematicians “submit to Authority, take things upon Trust” just as followers of religious tenets did. According to Burton, Berkeley introduced an ingenious theory of compensating errors that were meant to explain the correctness of the results of calculus. Berkeley contended that the practitioners of calculus introduced several errors which cancelled, leaving the correct answer. In his own words, “by virtue of a two fold mistake you arrive, though not at science, yet truth.

    Mathematical historian Judith Grabiner comments, “Berkeley’s criticisms of the rigor of the calculus were witty, unkind, and — with respect to the mathematical practices he was criticizing — essentially correct” – Wiki

    Saggy , Again you are parroting the usual liberal spiel about the heroes of Enlightenment who had to suffer so much from the bad and ugly Church. Don’t you realize that you are surfing the wave of the agit-prop whipped up of the “Always Right Forces of Progress” while having no clue what really was happening and why.

  151. @Greg Bacon

    I haven’t seen your name before so I’ll let you know where I stand.

    I’m not CIA or a Trump fantatic. I did vote for Trump because I knew he would be a chaos agent. Since Nov. 9, 2016, this has been the case. This has been a very good thing.

    First, the cucked Western male (who is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim) is the source of the West’s problems. I’m a Western, Christian nationalist. The West is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim so these groups must be repatriated or segregated. They cannot have any political rights in any Western, Christian nation.

    I want to get rid of dual citizenship so Jews will have to go to Israel. I’ve seen some stuff on the net about what the rabbis do. I don’t care what non-Westerners do as long as they are not in Western countries. If Africans want to be cannibals, fine, as long as they stay in Africa.

    I can tell you are a functional illiterate. I wrote that China has collapsed because of their high abortion rate and Trump’s renegotiation of our trade deals. Pay attention to what Japan does. The Japanese hate and look down on the Chinese. They are correct to do this as the Japanese are the only intelligent Asians and they have the only first world nation in Asia. Are you involved with Chinese females?

    The corona virus is not an epidemic. This was latched on by the MSM to defeat Trump in November. My gut feeling is that this was a plot worked up by Nancy Pelosi and the GOP establishment. The Dems started this and the cuck, GOP RINOs are going along with it. However, I’m beginning to think that this will backfire on the Democrats in the end. We will deal with the cucked, GOP RINOs separately.

    Homos and diversity has collapsed the RCC. Christian Zionists who believe in the Rapture are another problem. Mike Pence is one of these insane, rapture-believing Christian Zionists. We need to keep a close eye on him. Many people are always harping on Jared Kushner. Kushner is an idiot. It’s easier to understand the Jews than an evil person like Mike Pence.

    November 4, 2020 is going to be a blast.

  152. utu says:

    Who really discovered the law of gravity?

    “All celestial bodies whatsoever have an attraction or gravitating power towards their own centres”. But these words are not Newton’s. They were penned by his scientific rival Robert Hooke in 1670, decades before Newton started telling people the apple story. This has led some historians to suspect Newton deliberately made up the story of the apple to back his claim to priority.

    Hooke’s Gravitation Theory and Its Influence on Newton. II: The Insufficiency of the Traditional Estimate

    “In Hooke’s paper on the inclining pendulum, for example, one finds the second law of motion emergingin i666 thus: 138 “the determination of the velocity of the vibration depends upon the proportion between the quantity of strength, and the bulk of the body to be moved,” or in modern words, “determination of the velocity depends upon the ratio of the force to the mass.” Surely this was one of the progenitors of the differential equations of motion which came later.”

    Example (one of many) about Newton’s integrity :Newton fabricated letter to Huygens to show his priority over Hooke.

    “One conclusion which can surely be drawn from the incomplete record which has been considered here is that the evolution of the gravitation theory has been dealt with uncritically and from a highly restricted set of documents for two and a half centuries, until it has become difficult to distinguish myth from history in the resulting narrative. Newton had the good fortune to outlive his rivals and for a long period to occupy a position of dominating influence over an associationoflesserscientistswhosucceededthem.”

    “Certainly it is a wrong method when one man’s work is weighed by what his rivals have said about it, and his own papers are neglected as a source of information, while indications that there may have been a suppressionof the evidence are ignored. The findings of Huygens’ editors have stood unnoticed for fifty years, during which time all mention of Hooke’s paperson gravitation, to which Young, Brewster,and Whewell referred inadequately in the nineteenth century, have faded from the histories. As Dr Gunther pointed out, there is need for a new analysis. Anyone who re-examinesthe record risks disillusion- ment with the possible discovery that Newton has been ridiculously over-idealized even beyond the point that De Morgan174 and More’75 have suggested. But if it is not re-examined,a very rich chapter in the history of science may be lost.”

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  153. @Godfree Roberts

    Godflee Loberts,

    We’re not going to pretend you don’t know that I’m poking a hole in your balloon, as I did a few days ago when I posted a link to a hole string of videos showing Chinese nationals deliberately contaminating produce, elevator buttons, and other publicly exposed items in White countries. Your awesome response was to hit the “troll” button. You’re a third-rate propagandist for the Chicoms. The pied piper here at sinophile central. You’re not fooling all of us. Just the weak ones.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Troll: Godfree Roberts
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  154. skrik says:

    There is no outside of God

    .. nor inside or any side whatsoever.

    I expect you understood my thesis, restated: The universe, information and consciousness are all matter/energy and may only be influenced by matter/energy – leaving no ‘space’ for anything supernatural – apart from in the imagination of believers; feel free. rgds

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  155. @Darrell Wright

    John the Baptist, “Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!”

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  156. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Speaking of religious leaders deliberately rejecting God, the famous stigmatist priest and miracle worker Padre Pio “around 1960,” as Fr Gabriel Amorth, later chief exorcist of Rome, recalls, told him, “You know, Gabriele? It is Satan who has been introduced into the bosom of the Church and within a very short time will come to rule a false Church.” (Interview with Fr Amorth by José María Zavala, in The Best Kept Secret of Fatima)

    In 1963, at the beginning of Paul VI’s reign, Padre Pio embraced Father Luigi Villa three times, saying to him: “Be brave, now…for the Church has already been invaded by Freemasonry!” and then stated: “Freemasonry has already made it into the slippers of the Pope!”

    “Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist. The Church will be in eclipse.” (Our Lady of La Salette, 1846)

    “The Third Secret of Fatima reveals, among other things, that the Great Apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.” (Cardinal Mario Luigi Ciappi, papal theologian from 1955-1989; 1995 letter to Professor Baumgartner)

  157. @dimples

    You irrationally insult a great man and a great mind. E Michael Jones would embarrass you in a debate. If you don’t think porn is morally, psychologically, and socially destructive, not to mention a powerful weapon intentionally utilized by our evil Overlords of Darkness, then it is the spiritual blindness resulting from your own sexually disordered life that makes you think that way. The way out of that bondage and blindness is humble prayer and repentance, and embracing the traditional (pre-1960s) Catholic faith.

  158. @attilathehen

    “The RCC will still exist, but it won’t be important.”

    Actually, the Catholic Church, though it was taken over in its visible hierarchical institution, including the papacy in 1958, and is presently “in eclipse,” as Our Lady of La Salette foretold, will rise again like its Divine Founder. That will be the “triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary” following the consecration of Russia to Her by a valid pope.
    See “Papal Imposters”:

    In the meantime we must “pray many rosaries,” as Our Lady of Fatima said to the three children seers. And as the famous stigmatist priest and miracle worker Padre Pio stated, “Love the Madonna and pray the Rosary, for her Rosary is the weapon against the evils of the world today.”

  159. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    You’re a professional pest who contributes nothing of value. A troll, in other words.

  160. @Kim

    +1. Ultimately, capitalism and socialism are particular economic manifestations of liberalism, and adherents of both deny human nature. Liberalism is at war with human nature, whether its particular partisans fall on the capitalist “right” or socialist “left”.

  161. @attilathehen

    Much of this is correct, except it’s ridiculous to think that politicians of either party had anything to do with Corona. They’re just whores, and reading from particular scripts. This lockdown is a power grab by the intelligence organs.

  162. @SeekerofthePresence

    He said that 2000 years ago, so how “at hand” was that?

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  163. Saggy says: • Website

    You don’t understand calculus, and you don’t understand the simplest concepts in physics …. to wit ..

    In Hooke’s paper on the inclining pendulum, for example, one finds the second law of motion emergingin ……….“determination of the velocity depends upon the ratio of the force to the mass.”

    So, let’s write the equation: V = F/M adjusted for units. But, that is not the 2nd law of motion.

    Given that you don’t know what you are talking about, and moreover have no real curiosity as evidenced by your avoidance of the Feynman vid, why do you continue? What is your motivation? Are you part of some larger ‘movement’ or organization? Why is ‘refuting’ Newton important?

    • Replies: @utu
    , @utu
  164. Anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    Garrigou-Lagrange is well loved by Catholics (not modernists), but he wrote for priests, as you may know. More suitable for the laity is Royo Marín, also O. P. Both are a blessing for the Church.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  165. Ano4 says:

    I understand basic materialism.

    Nothing’s hard about it.

    But it might be equally argued that matter and energy are nothing but information.

    In fact, the three of matter, energy and information are three aspects of the same Reality perceived by the human mind.

    I personally am Agnostic, for me proving or disproving anything beyond human mind’s grasp is impossible.

    So whether we affirm or deny the existence of God, we are engaged in fanciful wordplay.

    A waste of precious time…

  166. utu says:

    Why is ‘refuting’ Newton important? – This is not about refuting Newton or his work. This is about the myth of Newton and setting the record straight. What Newton did and what he did not do? What and how much did he borrow? To what extend the accusations of plagiarism by Hooke were correct? To what extend Newton actions of fabricating documents and suppression of other documents contributed to the creation of his myth? Questions that historians of science are supposed to ask and fortunately some do.

  167. utu says:

    “But, that is not the 2nd law of motion.” – Correct. But pay attention to what you read and what Hook had in mind. Here is another take on it from

    “Pendulums of Wren and Hooke” by Louise Diehl Patterson, Osiris, Vol. 10 (1952), pp. 277-321

    HOOKE stated first that in a pendulum there were two things chiefly to be considered, ” the velocity of the motion in each vibration,” and ” the equidiuturnity or equality of the duration of the vibrations of the same pendulum, though of very differing arches.” His discussion of thevelocity consisted of an anticipatory statement of the second law of motion-” the determination of the velocity of the vibration depends on the proportion between the quantity of strength,a nd the bulk of the body tobe moved.”

    The key phrase is “depends on the proportion”.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  168. @Hibernian

    Karlin. His personal mix of SWPL, Sinophilia, and anti-Westernism has emerged in weird forms lately.

    He and Ron Unz, among others, have been claiming that everyone who doesn’t support month after month of human life suppression is saying, “It’s just the flu.” That’s utter schlock. As I’ve said numerous times now, if Dr. Fauci co-authored a paper comparing this to 1957 and 1968, then someone must ask what is different now – and what is wrong now – that we must do an “unprecedented” crackdown.

    But what I really don’t understand about Karlin and Unz (and Sailer) is why neither of them paid any attention to the Mask Question until lately. Sailer only yesterday seems to have picked up on it.

    I haven’t read the Saker in years; too dense and weird.

    As for other Russians, Israel Shamir may be a bit kooky, but he’s a fun writer, and is often more right than one would expect. Andrei Martyanov is interesting but his English isn’t great. Of course my Russian is nonexistent, so he has the advantage over me. Martyanov, last I checked, was staking the middle ground between “it’s just the flu” and “we need a police state now.”

  169. @Stonehands

    Jesus is the eternal Logos Incarnate. E Michael Jones does sometimes talk and write about Jesus in his articles, books, and on youtube and bitchute, but I think he should do so more, and also write about the Catholic Church more, especially now that it is in an unprecedented state of crisis which he unfortunately still doesn’t see to be the result of a judeo-masonic takeover. (“Papal Imposters”)

  170. @Franklin Ryckaert

    About twenty to thirty feet I would imagine. When John saw Christ approaching along the Jordan, he hailed, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!”
    John 1:29 NKJB

    “This is He of whom I said, After me comes a Man who is preferred before me, for He was before me,” John 1:30 NKJV, thus ackowledging the eternality of Christ. Eternal Christ is thus fully God, and bears the Kingdom within Himself.

    Believers join this Kingdom in holy baptism. “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name; who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” John 1:12, 13 NKJV

    The Kingdom of Heaven was present that blessed day, realized in the Church on Pentecost Sunday, and continues to the end of the age.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  171. Saggy says: • Website

    His discussion of thevelocity consisted of an anticipatory statement of the second law of motion-” the determination of the velocity of the vibration depends on the proportion between the quantity of strength,a nd the bulk of the body tobe moved.”

    The key phrase is “depends on the proportion”.

    This is kind of like seeing an image of the Virgin Mary on a slice of toast. First, you gotta believe.

    • Replies: @utu
  172. @utu

    Please tell us of one lie the Chinese government told, and how you know it’s a lie.

    • LOL: utu
  173. utu says:

    a=F/m —> v(t+∆t)= ∆t*F/m+v(t) which when F/m=const is an exact equality. Hooke was correct stating that velocity and F/m are proportional. Hooke works with pendulum so he was very familiar with accelerated motion where he tried different springs and different weights. I would not be surprised if somewhere in his papers the formula a=F/m can be found.

    In this there is another contribution of Hooke that is even more important that students of physics fail to appreciate as they are fed already well processed and easily digestible food. What needs to be appreciated is that in the statement “proportion between the quantity of strength, and the bulk of the body” Hooke demonstrates that for him the concepts of force and mass are already separate which was a very significant insight. The concepts of force and mass were not growing on separate trees ready to be picked. Mass and force as concepts that must be disentangled and constructed. Hooke crystalized this insight while working on pendulums and springs. His contribution made writing the F=ma equation possible. In this equation a is directly measurable quantity while either m or F is implicate by the other. If you know how to measure F and define its units you will know m and vice versa. From the point of epistemology because of the fact that either m or F is defined by the formula the formula F=ma is true because it is a tautology.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Saggy
  174. gsjackson says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    An absolutely remarkable picture. I had never thought before about the intersection of the Spanish flu, the Black Sox scandal season and post-WWI general nihilism and despair (see the book Only Yesterday). An optimal environment for preying ((opportunists)). Just as the ((gamblers)) seized the opportunity to taint what then truly was the national pastime, I’ve got a feeling similar predators are about their vile business in the current extraordinary circumstances.

    Boy, add in the Red Scare and 1919 really does look like the year from hell. Or maybe it was just a natural reaction to what was going on.

    • Replies: @S
  175. utu says:

    Very interesting paper: “Robert Hooke’s Seminal Contribution to Orbital Dynamics” by Michael Nauenberg , Physics in Perspective volume 7, pages4–34(2005)

    The authors writes: “The differential calculus, of course, was precisely the mathematical tool that Hooke had been lacking, but he unfortunately had gone to Newton for math- ematical help. One might speculate that had Hooke corresponded with Leibniz or Huygens rather than with Newton in 1679, the development of orbital dynamics might have taken a different path.” which has the following explanation: Hooke gave Newton many ideas and insights including the inverse square law which Newton refused to acknowledge. While Hooke hoped for cooperation with Newton all Newton did was the appropriation of Hooke ideas.

  176. Seraphim says:

    The declaration of John was confirmed by the Father Himself:


    ” I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. 13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:11-17).

    “And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. 10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: 11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. 13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him” (Mark 1:9-13).

    “Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, 22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased” (Luke 3:21-22).

    The voice of the Father was heard again on Mount Tabor:
    “AND after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only” (Matthew 17:1-8).
    And this is again confirmed by Peter:
    “Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me. 15 Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance. 16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” (2 Peter 1:14-21).

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  177. Roger says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    It is simply impossible to live without believing something. Godfree Roberts is subject to that, regardless of his protestations to the contrary. The real question is not whether we believe, but what do we believe? Even a belief in nothing is still a belief.

    Roberts has only stated his opposition to a belief in God, a transcendent being who rules over and determines the course of natural events in the lives of men. All right, then, well and good, but he has to replace that with something else in order to explain what life is all about. What is that something else? He never bothers to give us an answer. As a consequence of this, his opinion is irrelevant and can safely be ignored.

  178. Roger says:

    Newton may have explained the lights in the sky, but the more fundamental question to be answered is not mathematical, but philosophical. Why are there lights at all? How did they come to be? What is their purpose? One is an attempt to understand the principles by which the universe works, the other is an attempt to explain the universe itself.

    Newton may have been a very important cog in the workings we know as the universe, but he was still only one small part of the whole. Nothing in the universe exists or holds together as a result of his genius, except our understanding of the way things work. The universe would have gone on anyway even if he had never been born. This alone defies the statement that he “was/is logos manifest.”

    The Christian faith teaches that Jesus Christ is Logos, in Whom we live and breathe and have our being. Whether you believe that or not is irrelevant, but Jones was attempting to hold the Church accountable for its hypocrisy in proclaiming a certain belief, yet acting in a way that is contrary to that.

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  179. @Roger

    Roberts’ gods are the capitalists of the CCP.

  180. S says:

    Great post.

    Another ongoing parallel today with circa 1920, in addition to the flu pandemic and ‘Red Scare’ you’ve indicated, is the then ongoing Russian Civil War, and the United States perhaps headed (being pushed?) the same way a hundred years later.

    I began my journalism career covering a civil war in Lebanon. I never thought I’d end my career covering a civil war in America.

    We may not be there yet, but if we don’t turn around now, we will surely get where we’re going — which was best described by Senator Jeff Flake on Monday: “Tribalism is ruining us. It is tearing our country apart. It is no way for sane adults to act.”

  181. @Seraphim

    The love of Scripture is the most delightful music.

    Thank you for this colloquy of Heavenly voices.

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  182. Saggy says: • Website

    a=F/m —> v(t+∆t)= ∆t*F/m+v(t) which when F/m=const is an exact equality. Hooke was correct stating that velocity and F/m are proportional.

    Velocity and F/m are not proportional.

    I’ll explain: the second law of motion is F = MA, thus acceleration = F/M, and thus velocity is the integral of acceleration which is equal to F/M (adjusted for units).

    Enough of your idiocy.

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  183. utu says:

    Didn’t I say “when F/m=const”, meaning that a=const, meaning that its internal is a linear function, meaning that v is proportional to F/m plus offset?

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  184. “Fascism” was the word leftists like Pasolini fell back on to disguise their inability to describe the new oligarchic ruling class as the sexually liberated proponents of capitalism, which was their new identity thanks to thinkers like Foucault.

    A critically necessary insight now being expressed in lyrical succinctness by young white guys
    singing “You haven’t said a thing until you name the Jew.”

    Globalization may have precipitated the current crisis, but its real source is a Church which is either too corrupt or too befuddled to address the forces which are now destroying the entire world. According to de Mattei,the great sin which has brought down God’s wrath on our heads is the apostasy of the men governing the Church, who failed, either culpably or not, to denounce the schemes which the oligarchs have used to ensnare the entire world in sin.”

    Likewise, “oligarchs” is timid-speak for “Jew financiers” or “international Jews.

    The Church founded by God Incarnate Jesus has failed over the last half millennium to protect His sheep from the wolves He called the children of the devil as He is quoted at John 8:44-47 after which 8:48 states “The Jews responded to Him saying…”.

  185. Seraphim says:

    Thank God for that.
    “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes” (Matthew 11:25).
    It would be harder for those who consciously and willingly hide the words of the Son:
    “Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: 21 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. 23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee” (Matthew 11:20-24).
    “And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts” (Revelation 9:20-21).
    “And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. 10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, 11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds” (Revelation 16:8-11).

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  186. Saggy says: • Website

    F is not constant, a is not constant, everything changes with time. Please, reassess your position, and worship Newton !

  187. @utu

    i’m glad to see that a couple of you have shown interest in my original question. i feel an instinctive agreement with utu that saggy’s opinions are very mainstream.
    it is however frustrating to not have a discussion in more simple terms, in everyday language. throwing around mathematical terms, though i get that if you understand newton and leibniz you must understand mathematics to a high level, i feel if a disservice to those non-scientists who would like to get closer to the truth of the matter.
    calling la rouche an idiot serves no one. the same with saying leibniz is x (giant) amount below newton. give a truthful, plain proof of it!

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  188. @Roger

    It is simply impossible to live without believing something.

    Belief is a word, not an action.

    Unlike “I promise,” the statement, “I believe,” is not a performative utterance.

    By promising something you are legally doing something: binding yourself to act in a certain way.

    By believing something you are not doing anything.

    The Divine is not separate from us or anything and no amount of believing or disbelieving changes that. The Divine is our Nature and Condition, within and as which we arise, change and pass away.

    The only way to investigate that assertion (one that all the great Realizers of history have made) is to do it, to realize it. That can only be done under the supervision of a Realizer. It is the most difficult ordeal that anyone can undertake and requires your entire lifetime.

    Belief is unnecessary and unavailing. Look at its sorry history.

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  189. @Seraphim

    Repent and glorify God is the Biblical refrain.

    Yet oppression of neighbor and mockery of God spew forth from many Christian nations, whose ancestors died for that faith. It seems the house once swept of its demons sees them return seven-fold.

    One commenter asked if there were five Americans “sorry for their crimes.” “21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts” (Revelation 9:20-21).” Now there is much to be sorrowful for.

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  190. Roger says:

    And what will happen to you if you die before you Realize that you are divine?

  191. Getaclue says:

    True. In fact we find ChiCom “Scientists” on flights off to China or in from China with Virus vials in their socks popping up now in the News and mostly being ignored– with very SERIOUS Viruses in their socks and on their person as they tool around…nothing to see here….

    Nothing at all–what’s a little SARS between “friends” Comrade….:

    Good thing we have Comrade Godfree and Brigade here to tell us how wonderful, helpful, and loving the ChiComs and their Scientists are and how all bad things come from the USA only…so reassuring– if only we could get the ChiCom Mad Scientists to stop wearing socks maybe all these outbreaks destroying the world can be ended…just a thought….

  192. Seraphim says:

    The plague should make we look at our individual present situation, before we worry about the end of the world:
    “And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. 14 And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you? 15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man’s life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth. 16 And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: 17 And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? 18 And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. 19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. 20 But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? 21 So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God. 22 And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on. 23 The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment. 24 Consider the ravens: for they neither sow nor reap; which neither have storehouse nor barn; and God feedeth them: how much more are ye better than the fowls? 25 And which of you with taking thought can add to his stature one cubit? 26 If ye then be not able to do that thing which is least, why take ye thought for the rest? 27 Consider the lilies how they grow: they toil not, they spin not; and yet I say unto you, that Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith? 29 And seek not ye what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink, neither be ye of doubtful mind. 30 For all these things do the nations of the world seek after: and your Father knoweth that ye have need of these things. 31 But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. 32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. 34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also” (Luke 12:13-34).

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  193. utu says:
    @daniel le mouche

    I’m glad that you found something to your liking. As far as your Larouche I do not think he is an idiot but he is an obsessionist with a single idée fixe which made him and the followers of his ‘sect’ biased; however, their anti-British bias is useful in restoring balance which is needed particularly in the anglophone world were British achievement and accomplishments are blown out of proportions. Some of the work produced by Larouche ‘sect’ is good and useful. Actually there were some smart and talented people around him. I have always wondered who was behind it all and who was footing the bill and who was behind pulling the flag form his operation.

    To be able to appreciate difference between what Newton did actually and what is ascribed to him that he did some math is necessary. Apart from the well known, very muddled priority dispute with Leibniz about the the invention/discovery of calculus much less is known about what Newton actually accomplished in his gravitation theory. First, contributions of Hooke (like the inverse square law) and borrowing of them w/o acknowledgment by Newton are rarely mentioned. Second, it is not widely appreciated that Newton’s confirmation of Kepler was incomplete. Newton demonstrated that Kepler implied the inverse-square-law but it was Jacob Hermann and Bernoulli who proved that the inverse square law implies Kepler. Bernoulli was the one who solved the differential equations following Leibniz methodology which to this day is taught in textbooks. Newton’s calculus methodology did not turn out to be useful as it was found rather incomprehensible and so it was rightfully forgotten. Then there are stories about Newton shenanigans like fabricating letters to prove his priority or erasing Hooke from the history. He was not a nice person. Finally there is his kooky interest in occultism, numerology, Kabbalah that consumed him which was kept secret and after his death was kept hidden as not to tarnish his reputation which was needed by the British Empire for which Newton turned out to be a great asset.

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  194. Saggy says: • Website

    The Christian faith teaches that Jesus Christ is Logos,

    Nonsense, the association of Christianity with ‘logos’ is a conceit of EMJ, unless I”m mistaken. The Greeks exemplified logos, and Jones believes that Christianity incorporated the Greek mindset.

    But that is absurd, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all believe in the G– of the Torah or Old Testament, and this G– was literally a genocidal maniac, a primitive god that was the opposite of logos. Consider the main events in the OT-
    #1 – creation – so good so far
    #2 – the original sin – from this point on the human race is subject to mindless suffering
    #3 – G– exterminates the whole human race in a flood, the first genocide
    #4 – G– makes a covenant with the Jews, who then exterminate the inhabitants of Canaan
    All described in graphic detail in the OT,


    Deuteronomy 20:
    16 As for the towns of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes remain alive. 17 You shall annihilate them — the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites — just as the LORD your God has commanded,

    Joshua 1:
    1 After the death of Moses the servant of the LORD, the LORD spoke to Joshua son of Nun, Moses’ assistant, saying, 2 “My servant Moses is dead. Now proceed to cross the Jordan, you and all this people, into the land that I am giving to them, to the Israelites. 3 Every place that the sole of your foot will tread upon I have given to you, as I promised to Moses. 4 From the wilderness and the Lebanon as far as the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, to the Great Sea in the west shall be your territory. 5 No one shall be able to stand against you all the days of your life.

    Joshua 6:
    16 And at the seventh time, when the priests had blown the trumpets, Joshua said to the people,”Shout! For the LORD has given you the city. 17 The city and all that is in it shall be devoted to the LORD for destruction. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall live because she hid the messengers we sent. 18 As for you, keep away from the things devoted to destruction, so as not to covet and take any of the devoted things and make the camp of Israel an object for destruction, bringing trouble upon it. 19 But all silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are sacred to the LORD; they shall go into the treasury of the LORD.” 20 So the people shouted, and the trumpets were blown. As soon as the people heard the sound of the trumpets, they raised a great shout, and the wall fell down flat; so the people charged straight ahead into the city and captured it. 21 Then they devoted to destruction by the edge of the sword all in the city, both men and women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and donkeys.

    Joshua 8
    24 When Israel had finished slaughtering all the inhabitants of Ai in the open wilderness where they pursued them, and when all of them to the very last had fallen by the edge of the sword, all Israel returned to Ai, and attacked it with the edge of the sword. 25 The total of those who fell that day, both men and women, was twelve thousand — all the people of Ai.

    28 Joshua took Makkedah on that day, and struck it and its king with the edge of the sword; he utterly destroyed every person in it; he left no one remaining. And he did to the king of Makkedah as he had done to the king of Jericho.

    29 Then Joshua passed on from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, to Libnah, and fought against Libnah. 30 The LORD gave it also and its king into the hand of Israel; and he struck it with the edge of the sword, and every person in it; he left no one remaining in it; and he did to its king as he had done to the king of Jericho.

    31 Next Joshua passed on from Libnah, and all Israel with him, to Lachish, and laid siege to it, and assaulted it. 32 The LORD gave Lachish into the hand of Israel, and he took it on the second day, and struck it with the edge of the sword, and every person in it, as he had done to Libnah.

    33 Then King Horam of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua struck him and his people, leaving him no survivors.

    34 From Lachish Joshua passed on with all Israel to Eglon; and they laid siege to it, and assaulted it; 35 and they took it that day, and struck it with the edge of the sword; and every person in it he utterly destroyed that day, as he had done to Lachish.

    36 Then Joshua went up with all Israel from Eglon to Hebron; they assaulted it, 37 and took it, and struck it with the edge of the sword, and its king and its towns, and every person in it; he left no one remaining, just as he had done to Eglon, and utterly destroyed it with every person in it.

    40 So Joshua defeated the whole land, the hill country and the Negeb and the lowland and the slopes, and all their kings; he left no one remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. 41 And Joshua defeated them from Kadesh-barnea to Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, as far as Gibeon. 42 Joshua took all these kings and their land at one time, because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel. 43 Then Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to the camp at Gilgal.

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  195. @Hibernian

    Being good is related to IQ, which is related to race. Focus on Genesis 1:27.

    We live in a fallen world so we will have diseases. We can overcome disease, but we cannot improve IQ if one doesn’t have it or loses it.

    Fatima was a psyop:

  196. @utu

    i instinctively agree with probably all you say. certainly, ‘he was not a nice person’, and that he was, and is, a great asset to the british empire. the shenanigans the english–not ‘brits’–are consistently, perennially, up to i think is a subject that has perhaps never, except perhaps by la rouche, been seriously looked into. this is the point of my original question. i’m looking for any ‘deep thinkers’ that have given great, true, deep consideration to this question. i have in a way, but mainly in a very non intellectual way, through seemingly endless horrific personal experience. i live in england and have for around 10 years, and have some, really some, idea what i’m talking about. thank you for your thoughtful response, and i hope to get more and in greater depth responses from you and/or others.

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  197. @Saggy

    “…The Christian faith teaches that Jesus Christ is Logos.

    Nonsense, the association of Christianity with ‘logos’ is a conceit of EMJ, unless I”m mistaken. The Greeks exemplified logos, and Jones believes that Christianity incorporated the Greek minds…”

    You are indeed mistaken. Read the first 10 verses of the Gospel of John where Jesus is identified with “the word”, i.e. Logos.

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  198. Saggy says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “the word”, i.e. Logos.

    John 1:”1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

    Maybe, I’d have to see it in the original … Greek? Word and logos. i.e logic, reason, are not synonymous in English in any way.

    Wiki gives this example ….

    τῷ λόγῳ τοῦ κυρίου οἱ οὐρανοὶ ἐστερεώθησαν καὶ τῷ πνεύματι τοῦ στόματος αὐτοῦ πᾶσα ἡ δύναμις αὐτῶν

    By the word (logos) of the Lord were the heavens established, and all the host of them by the spirit (pneuma) of his mouth

    — Psalm 33:6

    So the ‘word’ is coming out of God’s mouth …..

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  199. Seraphim says:

    The Gospels were not written in English! God is not an ‘English Gentleman’ (let alone an American Bible-bashing preacher), for God’s sake!

  200. Saggy says: • Website

    Logos (UK: /ˈloʊɡɒs, ˈlɒɡɒs/, US: /ˈloʊɡoʊs/; Ancient Greek: λόγος, romanized: lógos; from λέγω, légō, lit. ’I say’) is a term in Western philosophy, psychology, rhetoric, and religion derived from a Greek word variously meaning “ground”, “plea”, “opinion”, “expectation”, “word”, “speech”, “account”, “reason”, “proportion”, and “discourse”.[1][2] It became a technical term in Western philosophy beginning with Heraclitus (c.  535 – c.  475 BC), who used the term for a principle of order and knowledge.[3]

    I stand corrected.

  201. Roger says:

    I do not know or understand Greek, modern or ancient, therefore I am not qualified to determine what ‘logos’ means in the original. I do know what I have been taught, over and over again, by men and women who do understand it and have studied it–Jesus Christ is considered by the Christian faith to be Logos, that is, the Person of God who created, sustains, and upholds the universe. If you wish to debate this, then have at it. I think I can maintain my end of the argument.

    Criticizing Christianity by recounting the gory details of the Old Testament will not work. If you cannot win the argument on merits, change the subject.

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  202. Roger says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Good one, Franklin. Exactly where I would have gone.

  203. Roger says:

    I find it quite interesting that you had nothing to say about my comments about Newton, the man you claim to have been elevated to the status of ‘logos, manifest’, yet you can find criticism for my comment about what the Christian faith teaches.

    So much for the defense of your god. And your argument.

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  204. Kim says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Belief is a word, not an action.

    Is “thinking” an action? In your case, perhaps not.

    By believing something you are not doing anything.

    Can we say then, that “By thinking something, you are not doing anything?”


    Belief is a word, not an action.

    Unlike “I promise,” the statement, “I believe,” is not a performative utterance.

    First mistake, you conflate the term “action” with “performative utterance”. These are not the same things. Thus you are equivocating (i.e., bullshitting) , which betrays a lack of faith in your own arguments.

    Second mistake, here is the Wikipedia definiton of performative utterance:

    In the philosophy of language and speech acts theory, performative utterances are sentences which not only describe a given reality, but also change the social reality they are describing.

    How does one define a “social reality”? Why would the statement “I believe” not be able to change it while some other statement might be able to?

    NOTE: Please don’t reply to these two questions. It is still early but I have read some of your comments on other threads and so have already had my day’s quota of pretentious and deceitful communist bullshit.

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  205. Seraphim says:

    One may consider La Rouche an idiot and a ‘fascist’, but it is a no brainer that in respect to ‘logos’ and logic, Leibniz stands far above Newton (not only in calculus – and here we should bear in mind that he invented the binary arithmetics the basis of all modern computers, inspired by the Chinese I Ching).
    But Leibniz was a Trinitarian, therefore believing in the incarnate ‘Logos’, contrary to Newton who was a Unitarian, rejecting the ‘Logos’. Besides Leibniz was a universal genius thinking in the frame of Pythagorean/Platonic/Scholastic/Christian tradition. Diderot wrote about him: “Perhaps never has a man read as much, studied as much, meditated more, and written more than Leibniz… What he has composed on the world, God, nature, and the soul is of the most sublime eloquence. If his ideas had been expressed with the flair of Plato, the philosopher of Leipzig would cede nothing to the philosopher of Athens”. Newton was not, whatever the Brits and Voltaire believed. Not to mention that the Newtonian world view was swept away by the theories of relativity and quantum physics (which were ‘in nuce’ in Leibniz philosophy). And, hey, we live in the ‘best of all possible worlds’.

  206. @Kim

    What social reality does believing change?

  207. @Seraphim

    Newton was a man of the fourth qinque-millenium, and Leibniz the fifth?

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  208. Seraphim says:

    There are so many things to say about Leibniz and his role. Maybe this quote from his book ‘Novissima Sinica’ of 1697, can give you the idea of the amplitude of his vision:

    “I consider it a singular plan of the Fates that human cultivation and refinement should today be concentrated, as it were, in the two extremes of our continent, in Europe and in China, which adorns the Orient as Europe does the opposite edge of the Earth. Perhaps Supreme Providence has ordained such an arrangement, so that, as the most cultivated and distant peoples stretch out their arms to each other, those in between may gradually be brought to a better way of life. And I think it is likewise not accidental for the Russians, who through their huge empire connect China with Europe, and who rule over the far north of the uncivilized area along the coasts of the Arctic Ocean, that with the help and the engagement of their present ruler, they will follow on the pathway of our discoveries.”
    Leibniz and Peter the Great were the founders of the ‘Academia Scientiarum Imperialis Petropolitanae’.
    And in a Memorandum to the Tsar (1712):
    “Your Majesty appears to have interest in two things: in a fortunate resumption of war with the Turks, and in an improvement of position of his lands and the lives of his people. …
    The interest which Your Majesty has in this, to make your land flourish and to bring the civilian and military matters into good condition, signifies the translation into reality that in your great land an increase in living standards, commerce, and money turnover will be provided for.
    As a consequence thereof, the people would turn more to the sciences and arts, and become hard-working. The consequences of that would be, that Your Majesty could place his immense power, which God has granted you and your land and people, towards the glory of God and to the use and benefit of all Christendom. And this is so much the more important, because thus China and Europe—as the two most extreme ends of this world—would be brought together through the mediation of the czar.
    By this means, Chinese products and news from China would come to Europe, and on the other hand the Christian faith would spread to China, indeed through Moscow as mediator. The prerequisite for this would be, that we bring to Moscow all the institutions which we have in Europe. Moreover, the czar must be able to get capable people from the most diverse occupations. He must teach his subjects”.

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  209. Roger says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The Divine is not separate from us or anything and no amount of believing or disbelieving changes that. The Divine is our Nature and Condition, within and as which we arise, change and pass away.

    The only way to investigate that assertion (one that all the great Realizers of history have made) is to do it, to realize it. That can only be done under the supervision of a Realizer. It is the most difficult ordeal that anyone can undertake and requires your entire lifetime.

    Belief is unnecessary and unavailing.

    Let me get this straight.

    In order to understand this assertion (1st paragraph of the quote), a person must spend his entire lifetime engaging in the hardest, most difficult struggle possible. Doing this might, but is not guaranteed to bring him to the point of realizing his own divine nature. I will add that if, at the end of his extremely difficult life, he has NOT realized his divinity, then his life will have been a complete waste of time and resources. Better to have never even been born.

    Why would any reasonable person want to live such a life?

    You say that belief is unnecessary, but no one could live a life you have described without an incredible belief in the end result. Furthermore, I will say that before you believed this, you believed something else. Belief is inescapable, no matter how you contort the semantics. If you don’t believe that, then I suggest you jump out of a plane at 10, 000 feet without a parachute to prove that the belief in gravity is misplaced. After all, the only way to test that is to do it. Just do it. My belief is that you won’t end up Divine, but you will end up dead.

    It is far easier and more rewarding to simply believe that Jesus Christ is Logos, that man is sinful, and that God desires all of us to repent (change) in favor of the better. Admitting that you don’t have it together and need help MAY be the hardest thing you’ve ever done and you have to spend the rest of your life working on that, but it is worth it. Oh, BTW, doing this will not elevate you to divine status, but it will bring you to a state of holiness that you could not have achieved on your own.

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  210. Saggy says: • Website

    Criticizing Christianity by recounting the gory details of the Old Testament will not work. If you cannot win the argument on merits, change the subject.

    ??? The ‘argument’ about Jones’s use of the term logos was incidental, and you were right, but the whole point of my post was that the G– of the OT is a homicidal, no, genocidal maniac, probably worse that Baal or any other G– of any other religion save the G– of the Incas. The ‘religions’ of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are primitive religions that should have been abandoned 2000 years ago, the fact that they still exist and are more or less viable is a profound indictment of human societies. It would be unbelievable if it were not happening.

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  211. Saggy says: • Website

    I find it quite interesting that you had nothing to say about my comments about Newton,

    which were

    Newton may have explained the lights in the sky, but the more fundamental question to be answered is not mathematical, but philosophical. Why are there lights at all? How did they come to be? What is their purpose? One is an attempt to understand the principles by which the universe works, the other is an attempt to explain the universe itself.

    And, I agree with that.
    The world around us consist of a physical reality, a chemical reality, a biological reality, and a mental reality. While we now know a lot about physics, chemistry, and we know some biology, we still don’t understand anything about the world of thought, or ‘why the world exists’. Christianity doesn’t help any more than Baal or Zeus and Apollo.

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  212. @Seraphim

    thanks. and you’ve jogged my failing memory to recall that the evil (according to la rouche) bertrand russell himself bluntly states at the start of his piece on leibniz that he was perhaps the most intelligent man to ever live.

  213. @Seraphim

    I so enjoy your comments on the world-mind Leibniz. Please keep them coming.

    “…Moreover, the czar must be able to get capable people from the most diverse occupations. He must teach his subjects”.

    Hopefully, this is happening under Putin, at least in the defense and foreign ministries. Military modernization proceeds ahead of schedule, while Lavrov navigates between the Scylla and Charybdis of war and capitulation.

    Why can’t America take the magnanimous Leibnizian co-operation with China to its relations with Russia?. Instead, it pushes sanctions, war games, and proxy wars.

    Seems to me there is a dangerous and primitive esteem of domination going back to ‘Murka’s basis in Puritanism and Zionism. Leibniz was a man of the Enlightenment. Surely his co-operative ideal of human relations is more fruitful than the Scofield Bible.

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  214. @Roger

    In order to understand this assertion (1st paragraph of the quote), a person must spend his entire lifetime engaging in the hardest, most difficult struggle possible. Doing this might, but is not guaranteed to bring him to the point of realizing his own divine nature. I will add that if, at the end of his extremely difficult life, he has NOT realized his divinity, then his life will have been a complete waste of time and resources. Better to have never even been born.

    There’s no need spend your entire lifetime engaging in the hardest, most difficult struggle possible.

    You can directly and presently realize the true Nature and Condition of whatever and all that arises if you simply remain in a state of pleasurable oneness with whatever and all that presently arises.

    But if you cannot do that 24×7 then, yes, you must spend your entire lifetime engaging in the hardest, most difficult struggle possible. That has always been the case and, until we create an enlightened community of sufficient size and strength, will continue to be.

    It is an ordeal, and only those who are helplessly drawn to realize the Divine will consider it. About 1% of humanity considers it to the degree that you are doing by engaging in this conversation. Of that one percent, one percent actually attempt it. Of the one percent who attempt it, one percent will realize anything at all and the rest will find excuses to return to ordinary life.

    But I have yet to see anyone who attempted it for, say, a decade, fail to gain from it. On the contrary, their lives are immensely improved by the discipline of energy and attention that it necessarily involves.

    There are also realizations which, while less than ultimate, are advanced and thoroughly delightful.

    The fourth stage of life (there are seven), which we typically associate with real saints, and which is signified by heart-broken love, is commonly the sign of mature practitioners.

    But all of the mature practitioners (at least of my personal acquaintance) had practiced seriously for thirty years. And I do mean seriously.

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  215. Seraphim says:

    Thank you.
    Leibniz was not a man of the Enlightenment. All his philosophy is the opposite of the pseudo-philosophy of the Enlightenment, which was an excretion of ‘Newton’s Sleep’. As an artist like William Blake put it: “May God us keep From Single vision & Newtons sleep.”
    America is the excretion of the Enlightenment. A ‘nation’ of single black and white vision sunk in ‘Newton’s sleep’, scared shitless of anything that might wake it up from that sleep. The bull in the china shop excreting its BS all over the world.

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  216. Roger says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    You said and I emphasize,

    “The ONLY way to investigate that assertion (one that all the great Realizers of history have made) is to do it, to realize it. That can ONLY be done under the supervision of a Realizer. IT IS THE MOST difficult ordeal that anyone can undertake and REQUIRES your entire lifetime.”

    It appears now that you are changing your tune.

    “There’s no need spend your entire lifetime engaging in the hardest, most difficult struggle possible.”

    “You can directly and presently realize the true Nature and Condition of whatever and all that arises if you simply remain in a state of pleasurable oneness with whatever and all that presently arises.”

    These are contradictory statements. Either this ‘realization’ is the hardest, most protracted struggle a human can/will ever face OR it is simply finding pleasure in everyday life. Which is it? One or the other, but not both.

    Why don’t you ‘enlighten’ us poor deluded souls as to the religious beliefs which you are promoting and the names of the ‘Realizers’ who have somehow managed to find Nirvana on Earth before they died? Who are these Realizers and why are they considered such? Instead of just spouting off some ambivalent, incomprehensible rhetoric, why don’t you start explaining exactly what it is you are preaching? And, please, explain in such a way that I can understand it.

    Oh, and by the way, understand that I will contrast and compare everything you say with the plain and simple message of the Gospel of Jesus the Christ, which is easy for anyone to understand and live out. Fair warning.

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  217. Roger says:

    Thank you for responding.

    We also live in a world of spiritual reality which science cannot explain, but philosophy and religion can. It is useless to try to understand a metaphysical concept by utilizing physical means.

  218. Roger says:

    “The ‘religions’ of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are primitive religions that should have been abandoned 2000 years ago, …”

    History lesson #1: Christianity began 2000 years ago. It did not exist before then.
    History lesson #2. Islam did not originate until the 7th century AD, approximately 600 years after the beginning of Christianity. (See

    Your argument will fall on deaf ears if you cannot even get historically accurate facts straight.

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  219. Non buyer says:

    The name of our current catastrophe is TRUMPVIRUS.
    The total failure, Donald J. Scumbag Trump, must never escape personal criminal culpability for his total abdication of duty.
    The disgraceful evil mass murderer clown currently masquerading as a “ leader” has endangered every single citizen of the USA, and by extension, everyone on earth
    This spectacularly inept and monstrously incompetent pile of stinking dog shit is lying many people into their graves.
    He is nothing more than a pied piper of death.

    Avoid TrumpVirus.
    Stay safe, don’t believe a single word this lying mountain of dog shit says.
    Reject anything TrumpVirus.

  220. Dumbo says:

    They want to turn us all into Asians. Eating bugs, using masks, being controlled by a central authoritarian government, measured by social credit, living socially isolated with anime or robotic girlfriends or just porn and being atheists or following a materialistic religion. I’ve seen the future, it is Asia.

  221. @Roger

    “There’s no need spend your entire lifetime engaging in the hardest, most difficult struggle possible.” “You can directly and presently realize the true Nature and Condition of whatever and all that arises if you simply remain in a state of pleasurable oneness with whatever and all that presently arises.”

    These are contradictory statements.

    The entire matter is a paradox, which is why so many examples of Spiritual Masters’ teachings are paradoxical–often humorously so.

    When we come to them begging for relief from suffering, pleading to be reunited with God, they observe that we are pinching ourselves, creating our own suffering moment to moment. All we need to do is stop pinching and the ‘problem’ disappears. That is what mature Spiritual practitioners discover, and it is funny.

    Thus the ‘problem’ that religion purports to solve is non-existent. We are not suffering and dying, nor do we need to be reunited with God. Which explains why religion is and has always been ineffectual: it has never delivered the promised goods because the goods are not deliverable.

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  222. Roger says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Religion attempts to find answers to problems which DO exist, such as suffering and dying. Who are you to say that these are non-existent? Try promoting your solution–“Stop pinching yourself!”– to someone who is dying slowly and painfully. Better yet, don’t even bother, you’ll only make the situation worse.

    You have given me nothing except vague, non-descript, evasive explanations of what you believe, what you proclaim as Absolute Truth, i.e., your religion. Contrast those with what is written in Isaiah 30:21.

    Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it.”

    Yes, as you travel down the highway of life, the Spirit of God will give you direction. “This is the way you should live. Put it into effect.” For my part, I prefer to have clear, concise answers to my questions, not the gobbledy-gook BS which you promote, even if that does mean I am pinching myself.

    Oh, BTW, you never told me who these Realizers are. Come on now, if they are so important to the enlightenment of the world, then it is your responsibility to let others know about them. Names, please.

  223. Your assumption that suffering and dying are problems is egoic and thus not solvable from the egoic point of view.

    If you do not assume an egoic point of view, the world looks very different indeed.

  224. anon[195] • Disclaimer says:

    The inhabitants of Canaan were Giants.
    So were the Amalekites. Saul wanted to keep King Agag as a pet, but Samuel obeyed the Commandment of the Lord.
    See: 1 Samuel 15
    The general idea was to kill the Giants. The reason the livestock was slaughtered was that huge amounts of plunder undermined the existing economy.
    That happened to Spain in the !5th and 16th Centuries.

  225. anon[195] • Disclaimer says:

    Christianity predates Christ, it predates Abraham.
    Judaism and Islam are cults of Christianity.

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  226. JamesD says:

    Viruses are not used as bio weapons. That is because they mutate and you’ll end up killing your own side. You use anthrax, which is delivered as spores and is fragile in sunlight.

    Most likely this came from vaccine research and leaked out. China is covering it up because it makes them look like commie idiots, which they are.

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  227. Roger says:

    Explain, please.

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  228. Seraphim says:

    “Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by” (John 8:52-59).

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  229. @Seraphim

    56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    Amen. Glory to God.

    Happy Pascha to all.

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  230. Seraphim says:

    “Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them”.
    Sursum corda!

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  231. @attilathehen

    “The corona virus is not an epidemic. This was latched on by the MSM to defeat Trump in November. My gut feeling is that this was a plot worked up by Nancy Pelosi and the GOP establishment.”

    I agree that the MSM and the Democratic party have shamelessly seised this new opportunity to blame Trump for greatly worsening the impact of the coronavirus within the USA and using it as an excuse to remove him from office. The Democrats and their lackeys have proven themselves to try anything except follow the time honoured American tradition of putting forward a better candidate to the American voters who can legitimately beat Trump in the next election. But the idea that “Nancy Pelosi and the GOP establishment” plotted this course of action gives them far too much credit, Pelosi, et al., have simply clung to character and are once again desperately grabbing at the next new bogus excuse/reason (such as Pissing Prostitutes, Stormy Daniels, Russian election interference, and the infamous Ukraine phone call) to discredit and illegitimately remove from office a standing president whom they know will win again in this next election. The truth of the matter is that the Democrats have a better chance of removing Trump from office with their futile incompetence/slander changes against him than they have with their candidate, Joe Biden, running against him and legitimately winning in the 2020 presidential election.

  232. @Seraphim

    All of our hearts are lifted up on the Cross.

    “Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!”

    Χριστὸς ἀνέστη!

  233. I cannot see anywhere here the remotest curiosity concerning what EMJ appears quite content to vault over in its entirety, IE the incalculable vicissitudes of human sexuality and the erotic that must have taken place in how many myriad, impossible-to-know ways in the huge centuries between the medieval epoch and the advent of our own era.

    If he really believes there was ever such a thing as “innocent sexuality”, then he is asking us to believe there was a sexuality devoid of all presence of the erotic, which is to imply in turn that the scene upon which medieval souls found themselves was simply devoid of all representation.

    Which is fantastical and ludicrous, Perhaps he thinks the medievals were ..bonobos?

  234. S says:
    @daniel le mouche

    the shenanigans the english–not ‘brits’–are consistently, perennially, up to i think is a subject that has perhaps never, except perhaps by la rouche, been seriously looked into. this is the point of my original question. i’m looking for any ‘deep thinkers’ that have given great, true, deep consideration to this question.

    Hi, daniel le mouche.

    I agree that the subject of England’s history and it’s relationship with the United States and the rest of the world has been under explored, and not understood as well as it ought to be. I submit part of the reason for that is people’s tendency to presume that they already well know their own country’s history, and that (for the moment) the US and UK are still ongoing concerns.

    When the likely ‘Fall of Capitalism’ takes place, just as when the Fall of Communism happened thirty years ago in regards to the Soviet Union, I suspect a lot of past secrets will be revealed in regards to the US and UK.

    In a lot of my past posts which are saved in my archives I explore the history of the US and England, wherein I’ve found quite a few surprises. While I don’t know if I count as a ‘great thinker’ you might find some of those posts of interest.

    Have a good weekend.


  235. 4justice says:

    Actually, it was probably Protestantism that led to the Enlightenment and made society more vulnerable to the Jewish revolutionary spirit that lead eventually to feminism if you follow the work of E Michael Jones and I think the idea has some merit. Submission to Catholicism is like submission to your parents – when you are young you only see it as control, but when you get older, you see that it was a protection. The reformers thought they could have their religion without submission – which sounds great at first – but they lost the message of the mother Church on how to protect from the Jewish revolutionary spirit and now we are having to fight against a man who thinks he is a woman being considered a woman under the law – a category only of the mind if ever I saw one, yet also bolstered by something claiming to be science.

  236. 4justice says:

    You assume whomever might release such a weapon has people on his/her/their side. A crazed globalist oligarch eugenicist (Bill Gates, perhaps?) might not believe he belongs to any “people”, “nation” or “side” and may just feel that the more killed the better.

    That does not prove what happened here, only what could be possible. Historically speaking, the Zionists have a long history of targeting their “side” for propaganda purposes.

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