The Unz Review • An Alternative Media Selection$
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 BlogviewE. Michael Jones Archive
Sam Francis and the Triple Melting Pot: Race vs. Religion, Part Two
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information


Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • B
Show CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Thanks, LOL, or Troll with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used three times during any eight hour period.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

In his first intellectual incarnation as a conservative, Sam fell under the spell of one-time Communist James Burnham, then writing for the conservative journal National Review. In retrospect, it’s difficult to ignore the materialist, if not Marxist, nature of the categories both men employed in trying to understand the hidden grammar of American political life. Sam, as a result, saw politics not as part of a universal logos according to which “human beings can order their common life through rational deliberation, but as an arena in which they seek to dominate one another or escape domination by others.”[19]

Leviathan and its Enemies, Francis’s posthumous work, does not describe his own development because Francis wrote it in the early 1990s, long before he was expelled from the synagogue of mainstream conservatism. Instead, “Leviathan describes the historical process by which American liberalism captured the institutions of government, education, and media, rendering itself invulnerable to conventional conservatism—but exposed to nationalist populism.”[20] According to Francis, the managerial revolution was “one of the major inflection points in postwar American politics” and as such comparable to world-historic events like “the neolithic transition from subsistence hunting to farming.”[21]

The bourgeois elites which dominated American life from the Civil War until World War II were replaced by the new managerial elites who showed more competence in running the gigantic industries and corporations which the American Empire now required. Liberalism was the ideology which rationalized and justified the rule of the new oligarchic minority, which ruled through a “homogenization” which set out to destroy all of the intermediary structures which protected the individual from the Leviathan liberal state.

In Leviathan and its Enemies, Francis confronts not only the managerial elites who rule via liberalism, but also the conservative opposition which proved too obtuse or too feckless to oppose their tyrannical rule effectively. Abandoning the American conservatism which had become little more than “the obsolete ideology of a vanquished class,” and “an anachronism whose only function is to provide a veneer of ideological diversity to American public life,” Francis placed his hopes in a group he referred to as “Middle American Radicals” (MARs), a term he borrowed from sociologist Donald Warren, whose analysis of “voter surveys in the 1970s had produced a profile of a group of voters, then making up about a quarter of the electorate, who had not been closely studied before.”[22] MARs were:

white and earned incomes in the middle and lower-middle income brackets. They had not attended college, and they held jobs in skilled and semi-skilled professions. Warren found that their political views, though consistent across elections, did not correspond to the platforms of either major party. On the one hand, these voters defended entitlements and union membership and were skeptical of large corporations and free trade. On the other hand, they opposed welfare and school busing and held conservative views on social issues, especially those involving race.[23]

Francis spends a good deal of time trying to define this group of people because he saw them as the avant garde of the revolution against the tyranny of the managerial elites. In order to identify a group which he claimed was “defined principally by its ideology,” Francis had to specify definite “socio-economic correlates” based on objective criteria like income levels, education, and, most importantly, religion: “MARs had an annual family income of \$3,000 to \$13,000.” Warren went on to claim “that northern European ethnics and Italians were strongly represented among them, that they were nearly twice as common in the South as in the north central states, that they tended to have completed high school but not to have attended college, were more common among Catholics and Jews than among Protestants and among Mormons and Baptists than among other Protestant sects, and were likely to be males in their thirties or their sixties.[24]Francis, Leviathan, loc. 7842

Kevin Phillips had to make use of similar criteria to define the same group, which Ronald Reagan inherited from Richard Nixon. Reagan’s coalition, according to Phillips:

coincides with the traditional populist and anti-elitist component of U.S. political geography. . . . Moreover, the coalition’s critical new religious adherents—Northern Catholic right-to-life and Southern fundamentalist Protestant—represent constituencies whose traditionalist morality, over the last fifty years, has been complemented by support for the New Deal and economic activism.[25]Francis, Leviathan, loc. 7929.


The “New Majority” of which Nixon wrote had “its roots mainly in the Midwest, the West, and the South,” and included “manual workers, Catholics, members of labor union families, and people with only grade school educations” who “had never before been in the Republican camp” and “had simply never been encouraged to give the Eastern liberal elite a run for its money for control of the nation’s key institutions.”[26]Francis, Leviathan, loc. 7950.

More recently, Matthew Rose attempted to describe the same group in his own words:

MARs feel they are members of an exploited class—excluded from real political representation, harmed by conventional tax and trade policies, victimized by crime and social deviance, and denigrated by popular culture and elite institutions. Their sense of grievance points both upward and downward. They believe they are neglected, even preyed upon, by a leadership class that favors simultaneously the rich and the poor over the middle class.[27]

These “working-class whites” were not necessarily conservative and so they found no easy fit in the political system in which conservatism as “measured by the orthodoxies of conservative think tanks and the Republican donor class,” because that group attempted to define their identity by fiat so that they could control them rather than by trying to identify them as they are so that they could represent their needs and aspirations.


After describing this group in his book The Emerging Republican Majority, Kevin Philips got them to leave the Democratic Party and support Richard Nixon in 1968 and 1972. Patrick Buchanan attempted to mobilize them in his unsuccessful bids to become president in 1992 and 1996. Buchanan, however, was successful in resurrecting the term “America First” from what Richard John Neuhaus referred to as the “fever swamps” of isolationism and anti-Semitism, and it was Steve Bannon, who used a now rehabilitated version of America First to propel Trump into the White House in 2016.

But who are these people in reality? Did they have an identity independent of the attempts of various politicians trying to identify them as a way of harnessing them to their political agenda? In a speech he gave on November 3, 1969 Richard Nixon referred to them as the “silent majority.” Ten years later, the Zionist preacher Jerry Falwell founded a group known as the “Moral Majority” as his way of mobilizing the same group of people to support Israel. In September 2016, Hillary Clinton referred to the same group as “a basket of deplorables,” a comment which cost her the election. In 1995, Sam Francis referred to the same group as “Disaffecteds”[28]Francis, Leviathan, loc. 9302. and described them as having “widespread sympathy for the New York ‘subway vigilante’ Bernhard Goetz.”[29]Francis, Leviathan, loc. 9293. (Goetz, it should be noted, made a cryptic cameo re-appearance as the incel [involuntary celibate] anti-hero of Joker, incels being the Millennial reincarnation of “Disaffecteds/Deplorables” in our day.)

At this point we need to ask whether universal terms like “Disaffecteds” and “Deplorables” have any connection to the people these categories purport to describe or whether they are simply figments of the imagination which reside in the minds of the people who want to exploit them for political purposes, and this question brings us back to the nominalist crisis of the late Middle Ages and the issue of whether universals exist in the mind or in reality. William of Ockham (1285-1347), the man most commonly associated with the school known as nominalism, felt that universals existed only in the human mind. This meant not only that the mind of God was beyond any logos of explanation, it also meant that there could be “no causal demonstration of His existence,”[30]Copleston, p. 265. which meant that the existence of God as well as his essence could be posited only by “a leap of faith,” a term which Protestants confected under Ockham’s indirect (and Luther’s direct) influence. Under the influence of the nominalists:

Medieval logic became increasingly a logic of terms and of propositions and the relations between them. That is to say, it became clear to the medieval logicians that they were dealing not with extra-mental substances, nor even with concepts such as psychical realities, but with terms and propositions.[31]Copleston, p. 268.

If universals were, as Ockham maintained, “mere concepts of the mind or common names,” then “even an imperfect knowledge of the nature of things”[32]Garrigou-Lagrange, p. 7. becomes impossible. And if the Logos of God becomes inaccessible, then our only option as creatures was blind submission to his will. Ockham, in other words, was proposing nothing less than a return to the God of Islam. Even admitting that “Ockham does not think of the divine will as expressing simply power,”[33]Copleston, p. 253. Rev. Frederick Copleston, S.J. (known for his influential multi-volume A History of Philosophy, and his debate on the existence of God with Bertrand Russell) is forced to admit that he “represents the divine will as the ultimate source of norms rather than as subject to norms which hold good independently.” In his zeal to defend God’s absolute freedom, Ockham claims that God “by his absolute power . . . could will what He has in fact forbidden,”[34]Copleston, pp. 253-4. which is what prompted St. Thomas Aquinas to accuse the nominalists of his day of blasphemy. Years later, that same charge forced Ockham to seek refuge from the Inquisition in Munich, where he died of the Black Death on April 10, 1347.

The Ultimate Source of Norms

Nominalism recapitulated in the West the same trajectory which Logos had taken in the Islamic world after the triumph of al-Ashari and al-Ghazali in spite of Averroes’s attempt to contain its corrosive anti-intellectual effects. In spite of Siger of Brabant’s defeat at the hands of Aquinas, Averroism returned in the wake of Ockham’s reintroduction of the God of Islam: Human freedom becomes a datum of consciousness which we accept by reason while at the same time accepting divine foreknowledge as an article of faith without any attempt to reconcile the two. As a result, “philosophy and theology tend to fall apart,” and the “new way” becomes synonymous with Averroism’s doctrine of two truths.[35]Copleston, pp. 259-60.

The evolution of Sam Francis’s political views and his ability to determine who his constituents, and more importantly, his enemies were, was clouded by precisely this confusion between extra-mental substances and psychical realities. It should be obvious, at this point, that the term “Deplorables” described nothing but a figment of Hillary Clinton’s imagination. But what about terms like “Middle American Radicals” or, more importantly “working class whites”? Did that term describe an extra-mental substance or a psychic reality?

In order to answer that question, we have to turn to a closer examination of ethnicity, because that is the repository of social life half-way between the family and the state. In America that means an examination of the Triple Melting Pot, which played a crucial role in Sam Francis’s development largely because he gave no indication that he knew what it was. Because he failed to understand how ethnicity worked in America, Sam Francis could not identify the group he chose to lead. Instead of dealing with extra-mental substances, Sam began a life-long pilgrimage from one universal to another, all of which existed in the mind alone. The result was an increasingly unreal series of revolutionary fantasies based on phantasms of the mind which had only a tenuous connection to reality.

Rose claims that Francis was crippled by the materialist and Marxist categories which he unconsciously adopted from Burnham’s analysis of the managerial elite. By confining himself to understanding power without reference to Logos, Francis ended up deceiving himself because he failed to see:

how thoroughly he shared the philosophical assumptions of managerial liberalism. Its denial of transcendence, its rejection of natural law, its anthropological materialism, its skepticism about reason, and its reductive psychology—Francis accepted every one of these doctrines. In his mind, Francis was engaged in a struggle to save civilization. But in opposing the materialism of the left with a racial bio-politics of the right, he discarded one of the central beliefs of the civilization he claimed to defend: that man is a rational being, capable of knowledge and love, who bears the image of God.[36]

Ultimately, Francis failed “because his ideology prevented him from seeing that our culture’s greatest achievements have come in pursuit of ideas that transcend human differences. Francis’s failure of gratitude and wonder made him more than incompetent about power. It made him an outsider to his civilization.”[37]


Rose is right in faulting Sam’s materialism, but as its antidote, he ends up proposing a false universal as well as a false dichotomy. The human race is not the name of a group which answers the question Who am I? Similarly, we should not be forced to choose between racial particularism and an ideology which espouses transcending human differences. Herberg’s understanding of the Triple Melting Pot provides a welcome alternative to this false dichotomy because, as he puts it, “Neither the assimilationists of the [single] ‘melting pot’ nor the ethnic champions of ‘pluralism’ gauged aright the dynamics of American life.”[38]Herberg, loc. 272. This is so because:

The ethnic “pluralists” were backward-looking romantics, or else they were shrewd opportunists intent on exploiting the present without interest in the shape of things to come. In either case they were out of touch with the unfolding American reality. The enthusiasts of the “melting pot” were right in foreseeing continuous and increasing racial fusion among the American people, but this racial mixture through intermarriage turned out to be not general and indiscriminate but largely channeled along certain lines. . . . Our cultural assimilation has taken place not in a “melting pot,” but rather in a “transmuting pot” in which all ingredients have been transformed and assimilated to an idealized “Anglo-Saxon” model. Despite widespread dislike of various aspects of British culture.[39]Herberg, loc. 378-394.

What we need is a hermeneutic that allows us to identify human groups accurately, not one that dismisses them as unnecessary or infra dignitatem (beneath one’s dignity) for the true believer in either Christianity or America. The crucial issue is not the terms that sociologists or politicians use to define any particular group, the crucial issue is whether those universals exist in the mind or in reality. Only after we answer that question can we solve “the problem of self-identification and self-location.”[40]Herberg. Loc. 235. Ignorance of the distinction between psychic and extra-mental reality (at least in some implicit sense) makes it impossible to answer the question What am I? even to myself.

Mary Eberstadt has her own take on “the problem of self-identification and self-location.” Sixty-five years after Herberg raised the identity question, Mary Eberstadt raised it again, describing “the preeminent psychic howl of our time” as “Who am I?”[41]Mary Eberstadt, Primal Screams: How the Sexual Revolution Created Identity Politics (West Conshohocken, PA: Templeton Press), p. 8.

Eberstadt describes the destruction of the bourgeois social order which Burnhan and Francis lay at the feet of the managerial elite and their program of social engineering as the “Great Scattering,” and goes on to claim that the engine which brought about this scattering is “the sexual revolution,” an event involving “the widespread social changes that followed the technological shock of the birth control pill and related devices delivering reliable contraception en masse for the first time.”[42]Eberstadt, Primal, p. 9.

Eberstadt’s book is in many ways the sequel to Herberg’s. In 1954, religion led to belonging; by 2019 secularism and sexual liberation has led to isolation. But that is not the end of the story because the lack of identity which the sexual revolution has created has led to an intolerable vacuum. Nature abhors a vacuum. Since the real identity which religion confers now seems a distant memory, identity politics arises to fill the vacuum that the loss of real identity has created.

After secularization led to the demise of religion, race took its place as the prime signifier of identity. This, however, set up a trajectory which eventually confounded itself in a way that Hegel would describe as the cunning of reason. The rise of Black Power in the 1960s led to “white” identity movements two generations later. Jesse Jackson’s attack on Western culture at Stanford on January 15, 1987 led inexorably to the white nationalist “Unite the Right” rally which took place in Charlottesville, Virginia on August 11, 2017.[43]Eberstadt, Primal, p. 13-14.

Eberstadt blames the sexual revolution ultimately for both events because the sexual revolution has created “a crisis of identity”[44]Eberstadt, p. 15. by destroying the family, from which everyone derives the first sense of who they are. The sexual revolution, in other words, created identity politics because “The more people feel themselves adrift in a vast, impersonal, anonymous sea, the more desperately they swim toward any familiar, intelligible, protective life-raft; the more they crave a politics of identity.”[45]Eberstadt, Primal, p. 22. The young white guys who showed up to claim an identity at Charlottesville were born into a world “in which the human family has imploded, and in which many people, no matter how privileged otherwise, have been deprived of the most elementary of human connections” creating a need for identity politics.[46]Eberstadt, Primal, p. 38.

The same is a fortiori true of women. Deprived of their roles as wife and mother by the sexual revolution and reproductive technology, they created a faux identity for themselves as feminists, which Eberstadt describes as resulting from “identity erasure.”[47]Eberstadt, Primal, p. 47. The source of this identity crisis is secularization because only religion can give the complete answer to the question Who am I? Identity erasure becomes, as a result, one of the inevitable “social consequences of religious decline.”[48]Eberstadt, Primal, p. 57.

[49] Eberstadt, Primal, p. 58.

Who Am I?

After surveying the sequelae of secularization and the sexual revolution, Eberstadt is forced to come to the same conclusion Herberg arrived at 65 years earlier: no religion equals no identity. The eclipse of religion has led to the disappearance of historical “behavior codes” which are the source of moral action and, therefore, identity, but the main source of the problem goes deeper than that. The disappearance of a “transcendental horizon” removed “one more way of answering the question Who am I? that religion has traditionally supplied: I am a child of God.”[49]


Eberstadt jumps too quickly here to a theological answer that can be found only at the end of The Book. The most pertinent question which comes to mind after asking Who am I? is Who made me? The answer to that question is “God made me.” If God made me, He knows who I am because He made me what I am. Our identity, in other words, is dependent on God and the human nature he implanted in us when He created us. That human nature involves free will, which means we must choose the good according to who we are. This means that religion involves behavior in a way that race, which is a purely biological phenomenon, does not. There is no such thing as white values, but there are Christian values, Jewish values, and Muslim values. One of the main motivations for becoming “white” is avoidance of the moral law. This allows for easy subversion of the white pseudo-identity.

There is an element of subjective ratification. We can deny God’s existence but only at the price of losing our own identity in the process. This means that we can answer the question Who am I? only by referring to our relationship with the ultimate, ultimate reality which all men call God. The social engineers understood very clearly that pseudo-identities proliferate when the idea of God evaporates from the mind. They also understood that the surest way to ensure that the idea of God evaporates from the mind is by promoting sexual liberation. Wilhelm Reich created the program of “sexual revolution,” a term he himself coined, based on that insight. So once again we are forced to Herberg’s conclusion: no religion equals no identity. Secularization followed by the sexual revolution destroyed the only ethnic identity that Americans ever had.

Eberstadt’s conclusion corresponds uncannily with the conclusion which Herberg derived from his analysis of the Triple Melting Pot. Those without religion in America have no identity. The ethnic parish, to specify the engine of Catholic assimilation in America, provided an identity that was faithful to both the old country and the new America precisely because religion transcended their geographical boundaries. The ethnic group, according to Herberg, was “the primary context of identification and social location”[50]Herberg, loc. 272. for the first wave of immigrants. Yet:

The first concern of the immigrants, we may remember, was with their churches. As the ethnic group began to emerge, so did the ethnic church, the church that transcended “old country” particularisms and grouped believers according to the newly relevant ethnic (linguistic, cultural, “national”) lines.[51]Herberg, loc. 276.

The ethnic parish was equally helpful for the second generation of “doubly alienated, marginal men”[52]Herberg, loc. 314. because it provides a form of identity even after “they refused to identify themselves any longer in terms of their ethnic background, but no new form of identification had yet emerged.”[53]Herberg, loc. 341. In America, “one had to be ‘something.’”[54]Herberg, loc. 343. Because their parents deprived the second generation of that something by migrating to America, the second generation found themselves “in an intolerable position, consumed with ambition, anxiety, and self-hatred”[55]Herberg, loc. 343. that could be ameliorated only by the ethnic parish. Religion became even more important to the third generation because having abandoned “nationality, language, culture,” the only thing he had left was his religion, and this he was “not expected to change.” As a result, “it is religion that with the third generation has become the differentiating element and the context of self-identification and social location.”[56]Herberg, loc. 423.

Sam and I, as I pointed out in my talk at his memorial service, came from two different ethnic groups. I was a Catholic from the North, and he was a Protestant from the South who had abandoned his religion at an early age. As a result, Sam did not know who he was. He filled that vacuum by becoming a conservative, but after getting fired from the Washington Times, Sam abandoned conservatism in favor of white identity. In doing so he became the posthumous father of the Alt-Right, a white nationalist or separatist movement which formed in the wake of the identity vacuum created by the sexual chaos practiced by their parents. The white boys are needy. Their “primal cry,” according to Eberstadt is “Mine!” They yearn for an “ethnostate”[57] as compensation for the lack of identity which comes from “domestic dispossession.” White nationalists, Eberstadt tells us, “are much more likely to be divorced than married or never married.”[58]Eberstadt, Primal, p. 66-67.

Rose characterizes Sam’s racism as an “open secret. . . his vision of America as a nation inextricably bound up with white supremacy.” Race displaced religion in a way that would become paradigmatic for Sam’s Alt-Right followers:

Though raised in a Protestant family, Francis was not a believer, and he wrote critically of conservatives who thought Christianity could provide philosophical and institutional resistance to liberalism. . . . Modern Christianity was no friend of white Americans, Francis concluded. “Christianity today is the enemy of the West and the race that created it.”[59]

Tom Fleming’s attempts to sanitize Sam’s articles of their racial content for publication in Chronicles boomeranged and led to charges of hypocrisy when David Frum denounced both men in National Review as “unpatriotic conservatives.” The main weapon he wielded in decertifying the moral legitimacy of paleoconservatives was their advocacy of white supremacy, and the man who put that weapon into Frum’s hands was Sam Francis, who gave an “overtly racialist speech” at the “white-supremacist American Renaissance organization” in 1994.[60] The fact that a Jew leveled this accusation was, of course, the unkindest cut of all because Jared Taylor, who was the head of the American Renaissance, was the main person responsible for spreading confusion among culture warriors like Sam by claiming that Jews were white.

Race, Frum opines, “was not in those days central to conservative thinking, if only because, as Francis himself noted, the early conservative movement was so urban and northern. For the paleos, however, race and ethnicity were from the start essential and defining issues—and so they remain to this day.”

Frum then goes on to smear the paleocons by associating them with Kevin MacDonald, who, Frum is forced to admit “does not quite belong to the paleoconservative club.” No matter, any club is good enough to beat the uppity goyim who think they can define their own political movement without the help of Jewish commissars like Frum.

There are, however, certain ironies here which are too big to ignore. I began my talk at the Sam Francis memorial by quoting Sam’s question “Are Jews white?” because all of the paleocons from Tom Fleming to Jared Taylor had gone out of their way to avoid the Jewish Question. By rejecting any kind of theological definition of what a Jew is (see The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit), Francis, Taylor and the paleos settled for an incoherent racial explanation, that blinded them to what was really going on by claiming that Jews were white.[61] In return for that favor, Frum expelled them all from the synagogue of conservatism. When I brought up this issue, the paleocons who had gathered to honor Sam’s memory directed their ire at me, not at the Frums who had betrayed them. Tom Fleming, who was not in the room, expelled me from the minor shul known as the Rockford Institute for bringing up the Jewish issue, even though it was Frum who had expelled him from the larger synagogue six years earlier. All in all, it was a stunning performance in which self-loathing united with intellectual cowardice to silence the voice of the only man in the room who was willing to state that Sam Francis had once asked the question, “Are Jews white?”

The same Peter Brimelow, editor of, who panicked at being labeled an anti-Semite because he happened to be in the same room where I gave my speech, had already been outed by Frum in National Review.

On March 17, 2003, for example, prominently posted on its homepage an anonymous letter celebrating [Kevin] MacDonald’s work and quoting his allegation that the Iraq war “is being fomented by Jewish neo-conservative activists based in the Bush administration, congressional lobbying organizations, and the media.” More generally, MacDonald said—and repeated—“the most important Jewish contributions to culture were facilitated not only by high IQ but by closely cooperating, mutually reinforcing groups of Jews who were centered around charismatic leaders and excluded dissenters.”[62]

Again ironies abound! Frum accuses the paleocons of being anti-Semites when they spent all of their time trying to convince their constituents that Jews were white, as a way of defusing the Jewish issue. The paleocons were easy targets for David Frum because they could not articulate a coherent critique of the Jewish subversion of American culture. Alienated from religion, they based their critique on race by default, and at that point they lost the argument. When I articulated the traditional religious position that the Jews by killing Christ had rejected Logos and by rejecting Logos they became revolutionaries, the white boys all ran screaming from the room, their eyes full of fear of the Jews.

After faulting Francis for his nativism. Frum then had the chutzpah to say that Pat Buchanan “permitted a dual loyalty to influence him” in a discussion of a war—the attack on Iraq in 2003—that was driven entirely by the Israel First agenda of the Neoconservatives and to a large extent by people in the US government (including David Frum) who possessed dual American/Israeli citizenship. This wasn’t a momentary lapse on Frum’s part. Attacking the paleoconservative resistance to NATO’s war on Serbia, Frum criticized the America First mote in Tom Fleming’s eye while ignoring the Israel First beam in his own: “To an uncharitable eye, Fleming and his magazine appeared to have succumbed to what George Washington might have condemned as a ‘passionate attachment’ to a foreign country.” Does anyone have a more “passionate attachment” to a foreign country than neoconservative Israel Firsters like David Frum? Hypocrisy is too mild a term when it comes to describing chutzpah of this magnitude. And yet the white boys who called themselves conservatives couldn’t bring themselves to understand what was going on, much less act on their understanding, because as soon as you claim that being “white” is the most important issue, the Jew, who is driving the real agenda, becomes invisible.

Frum’s article ends in a hysterical crescendo of hypocritical jingoism:

They began by hating the neoconservatives. They came to hate their party and this president. They have finished by hating their country. . . . War is a great clarifier. It forces people to take sides. The paleoconservatives have chosen—and the rest of us must choose too. In a time of danger, they have turned their backs on their country. Now we turn our backs on them.[63]

At some point between the time he finished the Leviathan manuscript in the mid-1990s and his death in 2005, Sam moved from class to race as the repository of political power. Sam was forced to conclude that social engineering led inexorably to the rise of identity politics. Herberg refers obliquely to the Burnham/Francis bourgeois/managerial dichotomy by talking about inner- vs. other-directed Americans. Like Sam, Herberg implies that the rise in religious identification may be the result of social engineering. Unlike Sam, Herberg feels that race does not answer the question Who am I? with two notable exceptions—“Negroes and those of Oriental origin.”[64]Herberg, loc. 666. Herberg then concludes that the only kind of “separateness or diversity that America recognizes as permanent, and yet also as involving no status of inferiority, is the diversity or separateness of religious community.”[65]Herberg, loc. 689.

Herberg wrote those words in 1954, the same year in which the Supreme Court handed down its Brown v. Board of Education decision, outlawing segregation in the classroom. What followed was the rise of racial consciousness in America. The big sociological question which flowed from the rise of racial consciousness is whether race made the Triple Melting Pot obsolete. Most agreed that it had:

During the 1960s, it became clear that the “triple melting pot” was too simple a view of America. Herberg had considered only in passing the fact that African-American Protestants were not part of the Protestant “melting pot,” and that Sunday morning remained the most segregated time of the week. He had skimmed over the Eastern Orthodox history and presence on the American scene, and had overlooked the rise of black Islam. As religious scholar Martin Marty noted in his introduction to the 1983 edition of the book, Herberg had not foreseen the revival of the “identity” issues that would be so pronounced within a few years. Marty writes: “A decade after he published, America had broken into a complex of identity-giving collectivities: Orthodox, black Protestant, multiethnic Catholic conflict groups, Jewish ‘sectarianism,’ feminist and generational causes and movements, Indian and Hispanic power fronts, Eastern ‘cults.’ Even Protestantism was drastically sundered by an unforeseen recovery of fundamentalism-evangelical-pentecostalism over against a dwindling ‘mainline’ in which Herberg has placed so much stock.” . . . Just a decade after the publication of Protestant, Catholic, Jew, the Immigration Act of 1965 was passed, launching a new phase of immigration that would make American ethnicity and religion more textured and more complicated than Herberg had ever imagined, with the growth of substantial Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, and Sikh communities.[66]

After reviewing Kennedy’s data, Peach concluded that “a racial/ethnic division of society into Black, Jewish and white Gentile would be a more accurate description of the New Haven data than Kennedy’s Protestant, Catholic and Jewish melting pots.”[67]Which triple melting pot? A re‐examination of ethnic intermarriage in New Haven, 1900–1950 Ceri Peach To cite this article: Ceri Peach (1980) Which triple melting pot? A re‐examination of ethnic intermarriage in New Haven, 1900–1950, Ethnic and Racial Studies, 3:1, 1-16, DOI: 10.1080/01419870.1980.9993284 To link to this article: Unfortunately, the racial categories “Black, Jewish, and White Gentile” are not self-referential. With one exception—Jewish—they do not provide an answer to the question Who are you? If a Polish Catholic from Chicago were asked, who are you? It is unlikely that he would answer “I am a White Gentile,” because that designation is a purely negative way of saying that “I am not a Jew.” The term Jewish is the exception to that rule, but the term Jewish is, at least arguably, a religious identifier.


Born in 1946 at the beginning of the Baby Boom, Sam Francis mirrored the development we have just described. Whatever religious affiliation he was born into ceased early on to become a marker of his identity, getting subsumed first into conservatism and then into race, in a process that mirrored the secularization of the United States during the period of his lifetime.

The gist of my talk at the Sam Francis memorial was that the culture wars are simply not understandable in racial terms. The different sides in the culture wars may have used race as a pretext, but the identity of the antagonists was ethnic not racial in the sense commonly portrayed in the media. In applying the ethnic calculus to this period of history, we discover that the blacks, even if they were the most visible player in the civil rights phase of the culture wars of the ‘60s, were ultimately the pawn of other groups, which were just as white as the groups they attacked.

In his book Fatal Embrace, Benjamin Ginsburg confirms our suspicion that the racial conflicts of the ‘60s weren’t really racial at all by showing that virtually every major civil rights organization, including, or one might say especially, the Southern Christian Leadership Conference was in some sense of the word controlled by Jews:

Jews served as major financiers and strategists for the civil rights movement. Jews served as well as the key liaisons between the civil rights movement and the government during both the Kennedy and Johnson eras. Jewish groups, organized through the National Jewish Community Relations Advisory Council, had long worked closely with blacks in efforts to eliminate housing and employment discrimination from the 1950s and after.[68]Benjamin Ginsberg, The Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1993), 126.

White on White Racism?

Jewish contributions provided a substantial share of the funding for such civil rights groups as the NAACP and CORE. Jewish attorneys were at the forefront of the legal offensive against the American apartheid system. Stanley Levinson, a longtime official and fund-raiser for the American Jewish Congress, became Martin Luther King’s chief aid and advisor, having previously served as a major fund-raiser for Bayard Rustin. Harry Wachtel was a major legal advisor and fundraiser for the SCLC. Levinson and Wachtel were often called King’s twin Jewish lawyers. Jack Greenberg, head of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund was the most important single civil rights lawyer in the United States. Jews comprised a large segment—perhaps one-third of the whites who participated in civil rights marches and protests in the South during the 1960s.

Kevin MacDonald, America’s premier racial theorist, says pretty much the same thing as Ginsberg in the article on the Jewish-Black alliance which appeared in Race and the American Prospect, which Sam was editing before he died. MacDonald Writes:

The record shows quite clearly that Jewish organizations as well as a great number of individual Jews contributed enormously to the success of the movement to increase the power of blacks and alter the racial hierarchy of the United States.[69]

He continues:

Jews played a prominent role in organizing blacks beginning with the founding of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) in 1909. The NAACP was founded by wealthy German Jews, non-Jewish whites and blacks led by W.E. B. Dubois.[70]Friedman, M. (1995). What Went Wrong? The Creation and Collapse of the Black-Jewish Alliance. New York: Free Press. p. 45 The Jewish role was predominant:

By mid-decade, the NAACP had something of the aspect of an adjunct of B’nai B’rith and the American Jewish Committee, with the brothers Joel and Arthur Spingarn serving as board chairman and chief legal counsel, respectively; Herbert Lehman on the exectuive commitee; Lillian Wald and Walter Sachs on the board (although not simultaneously); and Jacob Schiff and Paul Warburg as financial angels. By 1920, Herbert Seligman was director of public relations and Martha Greuning served as his assistant. . . . Small wonder that a bewildered Marcus Garvey stormed out of NAACP headquarters in 1917 muttering that it was a white organization.[71]Levering-Lewis, D. (1984). Shortcuts to the mainstream: Afro-American and Jewish notables in the 1920s and 1930s. In Jews in Black Perspective: A Dialogue, ed. J. R. Washington. Rutherford, NJ: Fairleigh Dickinson University; London and Carnbury, NJ: Associated University Presses. p. 85[72]

The NAACP, in other words, was a Jewish organization that mobilized America’s blacks to fight racial discrimination insofar as this was congruent with Jewish goals. Benjamin Ginsberg is remarkably frank in discussing the terms of the Jewish-Black alliance:

By speaking on behalf of blacks as well as Jews. . . Jewish groups were able to present themselves as fighting for the abstract and quintessential American principles of fair play and equal justice rather than the selfish interests of Jews alone. This would not be the last time that Jewish organizations found that helping blacks could serve their own interests as well… Gains achieved on behalf of one, Jewish organizations reasoned, would serve the interests of both, while allowing Jews to project an image of unselfish pursuit of the public good. . . For Jews. . . gains achieved on behalf of blacks in terms of equality of opportunity also promised to serve their own interest in eliminating discrimination.[73]

I tried to point out the religious dimensions of the culture wars in the speech I gave at the Sam Francis memorial by claiming that the real enemy, both here and in Russia was the revolutionary Jew. He was not our enemy, I said then, because of some occult racial inheritance. The revolutionary Jew is our enemy because he has rejected Logos:

What do Jerusalem under Simon bar Kokhba, the Soviet Union under Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamanev, and Radek, the short lived Soviet Republics of Bavaria under Kurt Eisner and Eugene Levine, and Hungary under Bela Kun, the racial Apartheid state known as Israel under terrorists like Menachem Begin or Itzhak Shamir, or the neocon never-never land known as a free and democratic Iraq have in common? Death is what they have in common. Lots of people have to die to bring about the revolutionary Jew’s version of heaven on earth.[74]

The reaction of virtually everyone present was undiluted horror, followed by thinly veiled anger, both reactions were based on fear that they would be accused of anti-Semitism because of proximity to me. Taki summed up the reaction best when he cried out “We’re all going to be arrested.” Fran Griffin, the organizer of the event, had to calm everyone down by assuring them that my ideas were not contagious.

The most visceral reaction in the room, however, came when I announced that Sam Francis had converted to Catholicism on his death bed. It was tantamount to saying that Sam was a traitor to his race. But it was also a harbinger of things to come. Sam, along with Paul Gottfried, who was in the room when I gave my speech, went became posthumously godfather of the Alt-Right movement. “I can’t believe you actually gave that talk,” Gottfried said to me afterward, having read the advance copy I had sent him. That movement followed the racial path which Sam adumbrated toward the end of his life under the leadership of Richard Spencer, who was instrumental in publishing Leviathan and its Enemies, and it reached its apocalyptic culmination ten years after his death in Charlottesville. Like the Mahdi who inspired a number of followers to charge Kitchener’s Maxim Guns at the Battle of Omdurman, waving scimitars astride their camels, Sam Francis, with the help of Paul Gottfried, inspired Richard Spencer to hand out spears to the white boys and point them in the direction of the legal machine gun nest in Charlottesville, where they all got mowed down.

Expelled from the synagogue of conservatism by William F. Buckley, Sam became a race man. From the Introduction of Leviathan and its Enemies, we learn that “Sam was a thorough-going materialist and agreed with Burnham that rational social and political analysis of the behavior of elites could yield a ‘science of power’ and expose the workings of history.”[75]Francis, Leviathan, loc. 68.

Being a materialist turned Sam into an anti-intellectual who had more in common with James Burnham’s Marxist roots than fellow Southerner Richard Weaver. Sam ended Leviathan and its Enemes by pinning his hopes for revolution on the “psychic secession” of a group he calls “the post-bourgeois proletariat.”[76]Francis, Leviathan, loc. 9454 Sam’s wish reached posthumous fulfillment in the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville. White, these deracinated Protestants had to learn the hard way, is not an identity which corresponds to extra-mental reality. By identifying as white, the crowd at Charlottesville internalized the commands of their oppressors and guaranteed their own demise.

Undeterred by the stupidity of the white boys, God took the evil that they had to endure at the hands of Jewish commissars like Roberta Kaplan and turned it into good. Realizing the hopelessness of their situation, many of the white boys who got mowed down by the Jewish legal system at Charlottesville are now turning to Catholicism, which provides not only a source of consolation in time of trouble but a real identity as well.

The War on Whites is Real

Anyone who has watched commercials on television knows that Hollywood/Madison Avenue has declared war on white people. Unfortunately, their perception, like Hillary Clinton’s term “Deplorables” does not correspond to extra-mental reality. Ethnic identity corresponds to reality, and in America, as Herberg pointed out, ethnos is defined by religion. Whenever the deracinated Catholics and Protestants in America define themselves as “white,” they play into the hands of their largely Jewish oppressors. This is what happened at Charlottesville. If you don’t believe me, ask Roberta Kaplan, the self-described “chubby lesbian kike”[77] who is now trying to ruin the lives of the white boys with predatory lawsuits.

The conclusion is inescapable. Religious identity is the only bulwark against the identity politics of the Great Satan. The Arbaeen March in Dearborn[78] in which thousands of Shi’a Muslims marched unhindered to Henry Ford Park shouting “Long Live Hussein” is one example of what I’m talking about. If Antifa had showed up at this rally, they would have had to field thousands of demonstrators to contest the Muslims’ right to assemble. We’re dealing with hypotheticals here, but judging from the size and composition of the crowd, Antifa would not have come out unscathed from this encounter. The same thing is true of the much smaller Christ the King procession which the SSPX organized in Post Falls, Idaho. Antifa was again a no show, not because the Lefebvrites drew a crowd as large as the Iraqi Shi’a in Dearborn, because the did not, but because their religious identity acted as a protective shield.


I feel compelled to end this story on a personal note. Over the course of the Spring of 2019, I became famous on the Internet. The Jews whose job it is to suppress all evidence of my existence thought that the millions who viewed YouTube videos, as well as the thousands of people who subscribed to my YouTube channel, had catapulted me from the realm of dynamic silence to the point where they had to attack me by name.[79] The man who mentioned this explicitly is an employee of CAMERA, a Jewish propaganda outlet which purports to supply news on what is happening in the Middle East.[80] Dexter van Zile, the recent convert and paid character assassin who volunteered (or was told) to attack me, now calls himself a Catholic, which may have something to do with what he did after everyone ignored his articles; Van Zile wrote a letter to Bishop Kevin Rhoades, the ordinary of the Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend, informing his excellency that the time had come to deal with E. Michael Jones, who was in Van Zile’s eyes and the eyes of those who paid him his salary, a notorious anti-Semite, in spite of (or perhaps because of) the fact that his main delict consisted in telling people to get baptized and then get married and have children.

For some strange reason, Bishop Rhoades didn’t immediately respond to Van Zile’s letter. This may be because there are certain infractions which lead to excommunication, and offending the sensibilities of the editorial staff at CAMERA is not one of them. Van Zile then published his letter to Rhoades as an open letter on the Internet,[81] and once again the silence greeting it was deafening. But, the story didn’t end there. It just so happened that Van Zile’s attack on me corresponded with my 50th wedding anniversary, which the diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend honored, along with those of other couples in the diocese, at a ceremony at St. Matthew’s Cathedral. The ceremony was presided over by none other than Bishop Rhoades, who was gracious enough to have his picture taken with me and my wife following the ceremony. We then posted the picture on my Twitter,[82] and this time the deafening silence came from Mr. Van Zile and his employers at CAMERA.

Why do I mention this? Because, unlike “conservatism” or “whiteness” or any other confected identity, Catholicism confers an identity through baptism which cannot be taken away from its members by the self-appointed popes who, as recipients of oligarchic money, police the precincts of identity politics. Sam Francis was excommunicated from the synagogue known as conservatism by William F. Buckley, who with the help of Jewish money, had had himself named pope of that sect. The fact that the same thing didn’t happen to me at the hands of Dexter van Zile is proof of my contention that the Catholic faith is a category which exists in the mind of God. As such, it cannot be contradicted by men. It guarantees protection from the predations of Satan and his synagogue on earth that no other identity can provide.







[24] Francis, Leviathan, loc. 7842

[25] Francis, Leviathan, loc. 7929.

[26] Francis, Leviathan, loc. 7950.


[28] Francis, Leviathan, loc. 9302.

[29] Francis, Leviathan, loc. 9293.

[30] Copleston, p. 265.

[31] Copleston, p. 268.

[32] Garrigou-Lagrange, p. 7.

[33] Copleston, p. 253.

[34] Copleston, pp. 253-4.

[35] Copleston, pp. 259-60.



[38] Herberg, loc. 272.

[39] Herberg, loc. 378-394.

[40] Herberg. Loc. 235.

[41] Mary Eberstadt, Primal Screams: How the Sexual Revolution Created Identity Politics (West Conshohocken, PA: Templeton Press), p. 8.

[42] Eberstadt, Primal, p. 9.

[43] Eberstadt, Primal, p. 13-14.

[44] Eberstadt, p. 15.

[45] Eberstadt, Primal, p. 22.

[46] Eberstadt, Primal, p. 38.

[47] Eberstadt, Primal, p. 47.

[48] Eberstadt, Primal, p. 57.

[49] Eberstadt, Primal, p. 58.

[50] Herberg, loc. 272.

[51] Herberg, loc. 276.

[52] Herberg, loc. 314.

[53] Herberg, loc. 341.

[54] Herberg, loc. 343.

[55] Herberg, loc. 343.

[56] Herberg, loc. 423.


[58] Eberstadt, Primal, p. 66-67.






[64] Herberg, loc. 666.

[65] Herberg, loc. 689.


[67] Which triple melting pot? A re‐examination of ethnic intermarriage in New Haven, 1900–1950 Ceri Peach To cite this article: Ceri Peach (1980) Which triple melting pot? A re‐examination of ethnic intermarriage in New Haven, 1900–1950, Ethnic and Racial Studies, 3:1, 1-16, DOI: 10.1080/01419870.1980.9993284 To link to this article:

[68] Benjamin Ginsberg, The Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1993), 126.


[70] Friedman, M. (1995). What Went Wrong? The Creation and Collapse of the Black-Jewish Alliance. New York: Free Press. p. 45

[71] Levering-Lewis, D. (1984). Shortcuts to the mainstream: Afro-American and Jewish notables in the 1920s and 1930s. In Jews in Black Perspective: A Dialogue, ed. J. R. Washington. Rutherford, NJ: Fairleigh Dickinson University; London and Carnbury, NJ: Associated University Presses. p. 85




[75] Francis, Leviathan, loc. 68.

[76] Francis, Leviathan, loc. 9454







Hide 265 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
  1. This is quite possibly the best explanation of Sam Francis I’ve read. Outstanding article! Interestingly, I just read a recent article by Murray Rothbard reviewing Sam Francis’ book shortly before former died in late 1994. It came to similar conclusions, but looked at it from a more politico-economic perspective rather than religion.

    • Agree: utu, Viktor Templeton
    • Replies: @utu
  2. Catholics lost when they switched from being against usury to wishing they were better at it.

    Sadly, the LOGOS did not assist them in this regard. Therefore, it is less important that they identify themselves as “whites” rather than “Catholics”; what really matters is how much an individual can borrow. The Catholic is the cash flow whose net present value we buy and sell.

  3. Exile says:

    While I think it’s essential for dissident movements today to accept Christians, this piece shows why that acceptance should come with reservations and restrictions.

    Jones’ agenda is a form of Catholic-first identity politics. For all of Jones’ justified and praise-worthy criticism of Jewish influence in modern American society, his agenda is not an acceptable alternative. He is merely competing with Jews and their fellow travelers in seeking to usurp our natural identity and replace it with another cult of universalist utopian sophistry.

    Belief in the soul and the supernatural is a fact of human nature and something so widely manifest that we may dare call it universal, but the particulars of those beliefs are legion.

    The supernatural is so ephemeral, remote and ambiguous to our material lives that it cannot be the sole “first thing” foundation of identity in the societal of political sense. It can be an element of identity, a first of things, but not the first of things.

    If we make religion the ruling element of identity, society and politics, or even elevate it to “first among equals,” we will be dominated by a priestly caste which rules with words, sophistry, categorical moral imperatives and esoteric knowledge. This is historically the most despotic manifestation of governance and the one most demonstrably remote from the concerns of secular governors and the populace at large.

    Much of our present multicultural misery stems from the dominance of the morals of the neo-Levite Jewish priestly caste in alliance with Jewish and non-Jewish merchant princes whose lives and interests are entirely remote from and often hostile to the people.

    The supernatural has everywhere but this world to rule and touches on this world in many strange ways which we should try harder to understand, but our present understanding of it is so limited that we cannot trust those claiming a supernatural right to rule to govern us fairly, wisely or well.

    Human biology, psychology and evolution rule this world and demand that religion be given a respected but subordinate role in governance.

  4. @Exile

    Thank you for this. Been saying it for years.

    Jones is clearly controlled opposition intended to corral white identitarians into the relatively safe (and impotent) confines of a universalist theological system whose adherents worldwide are majority nonwhite.

  5. It would be hard to get Sam Francis more hopelessly wrong than to write this:

    Because he failed to understand how ethnicity worked in America, Sam Francis could not identify the group he chose to lead. Instead of dealing with extra-mental substances, Sam began a life-long pilgrimage from one universal to another, all of which existed in the mind alone. The result was an increasingly unreal series of revolutionary fantasies based on phantasms of the mind which had only a tenuous connection to reality.

    • Agree: Exile, FvS
  6. Daily reminer that EMJ is a race-blind ideologue who rejects blood and soil and has the coldest of cold takes.

    We already know where race-blind Christian dogma leads us to: Brazil.

    • Replies: @Viktor Templeton
  7. “Liberalism” did not “capture the institutions.”

    You are stupid if you think so.

    Liberalism and conservatism and all the other isms are just window-dressing.

    Rich people “captured the institutions.”

    Get real.

    • Replies: @jsolbakken
  8. @Jared Taylor

    Jared Taylor, you’re Jew-controlled opposition. You’re constantly babbling that East Asians are smarter than whites. They are not and had nothing to do with the development of Western civilization. The West comes from the Caucasoid race. The West is the best.

    Here is your “debate” with a Muslim. At the 2 minute mark you babble that you would not expel Muslims from America because they are citizens and that we can form separate states. You are insane. Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand did not think like this. India threw off its Muslim rulers and is currently working on expelling their Muslims. Yours is a cucked position.

    You are not well-versed theologically so you cannot counter the infidel’s comments.

    You and Brimelow are useless.

    • Agree: Viktor Templeton
    • Disagree: FvS, Nathan Bedford Bonsai
    • Replies: @aandrews
    , @FvS
    , @Sya
  9. ” “Leviathan describes the historical process by which American liberalism captured the institutions of government, education, and media, rendering itself invulnerable to conventional conservatism—but exposed to nationalist populism.”[20] According to Francis, the managerial revolution was “one of the major inflection points in postwar American politics” and as such comparable to world-historic events like “the neolithic transition from subsistence hunting to farming.”[21]”

    I think you could have ended here and have stated all there was to say.


    “We already know where race-blind Christian dogma leads us to: Brazil.”

    Then you need to learn more about Brazil.


    “Liberalism and conservatism and all the other isms are just window-dressing.”

    I don’t reject your claim outright, but considering the retraction of conservatism from all the referenced, i am not sure one can tell the difference.

    • Agree: Alfred
  10. utu says:
    @Otto von Komsmark

    “Outstanding article! “ – There was no more important article at UR than this one. In fact most of UR preoccupations with IQism and HBDism become moot after reading this outstanding article by E. Michael Jones. This is E. Michael Jones’s Veni Vidi Vici.

    • Replies: @Felix Culpa
  11. aandrews says:

    “Jared Taylor, you’re Jew-controlled opposition.”

    You disqualified your whole argument with that one sentence.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    , @Richard P
  12. @Exile

    “Whiteness” is an anglo-masonic bastardization and homogenization of Traditional Ethnic European identities that, like most of English ideology, is ultimately an angicanized version of Talmudic racial self-idolatry. “Whiteness” literally tricks Europeans into acting like Jews, and just like it did to the Jews, it will ultimately backfire and dilute the blood of European peoples. Just look at John Derbyshire trying to rationalize his yellow fever.

    But that’s not the worst part. The worst part is that “whiteness” is usually just another judaizing smokescreen. Ask Jared, according to him Jews are white.

    The fact that you’re criticizing Christianity as “anti-western” while posting on a website named after a Jewish millionaire is a prefect illustration of the lack of self-awareness on the dissident right.

    The traditional Christian understanding of ethnicity preserved European charactes and cultures for centuries and can still do so. Ethnic nations rooted in blood, language,, and culture is a tangible thing, which is why Apostolic Christianity has always honored ethnic and regional liturgical rites and traditions. God seperated the nations for a reason.

    • Replies: @FvS
    , @Exile
    , @Anon
    , @james sc
  13. @Jared Taylor

    Hey Jared, did he get this wrong too?

    The more we delve into this matter the more evident the hypocrisy associated with guilt by association becomes, as one of the main forms of political control. To get back to our original instance, John Sharpe is being demonized by the character assassins at the Southern Poverty Law Center as an anti-Semite because he attended an American Renaissance conference. Yet, if we log on to the SPLC website and type American Renaissance into their search engine, we find that the SPLC has good things to say about that racist organization. In fact, a quick search of the SPLC web site informs us that AR president Jared Taylor is “an opponent of anti-Semitism.” Shawn Mercer, the man in charge of the American Renaissance’s web discussion group, we are told, “deletes most postings excoriating the Jews.” This only confirms what we have learned from other sources. In an obit on Sam Francis which appeared in the American Conservative, we were told that Jared Taylor wanted to do for white nationalism what William F. Buckley did for conservatism. And what is that? Well, to subvert it in the interests of the Jews. One of the entries at the SPLC site claims that “It is well-known that the American Renaissance does not allow anti-Semitism; it is uptown, 100% clean WN [white nationalism]. Call it a first step if you like, but it is a very important first step, and Jared Taylor has had success.”

    • Replies: @Felix Culpa
  14. @Thulean Friend

    Daily reminder that you Thulean faggots will form an alliance with Muslims against Christians if you had the opportunity.

    The traditional Christian understanding of ethnicity preserved European charactes and cultures for centuries and can still do so. Ethnic nations rooted in blood, language,, and culture is a tangible thing, which is why Apostolic Christianity has always honored ethnic and regional liturgical rites and traditions. God seperated the nations for a reason.

  15. Dutch Boy says:

    Of course religion is a real, non-imaginary category. Race is also a real, non-imaginary category, based on biology. The people who hate us for our racial backround generally could not care less what our religion is. Given that, it is not wrong to defend members of our race when subjected to unjust attack any more than it would be to defend members of our faith for the same reason. Such a defense is fully compatible with Logos and implies no racial hatred.

    • Replies: @Franz
    , @Viktor Templeton
  16. @aandrews

    See Viktor Templeton comment no. 15.

    Jared Taylor is always babbling that Jews are smarter than whites. They are not. Jews had nothing to do with the development of Western civilization.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  17. @Viktor Templeton

    Are you a Roman Catholic? If yes, would you accept a black/Asian priest-pope?

  18. I think it was Sam Francis who wrote:

    “If I wanted to live in Mexico, I would have moved there.”

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  19. RACE determines what a country will be like, not a particular culture, which after all, will change over time.

    There is no magic “logos” that will make South America, India or Indonesia just like a White country. Catholic priests tried in earnest for 500 years to make Latin America into Europe – most of it remains a dump that Latinos are begging to get out of.

    • Agree: Exile, anaccount
  20. @RichardTaylor

    South America was full of White Catholic countries until the Jews used their puppets the Freemasons, and later the Marxists, undermined the catholic influence and eroded whatever foundations were laid there. The Jesuit missions which civilized the Indians were destroyed by Freemasons.

  21. @attilathehen

    If yes, would you accept a black/Asian priest-pope?

    To the extent that he acted in his capacity as Pope and didn’t overstep and start trying to change church tradition to disproportionately favor his group. Thankfully, papal infallibility is more limited than most people think.

    • Replies: @montechristoff
    , @Exile
  22. Dumbo says:

    Both race and religion, and culture, are important and each partially determines the other.

    The problem with ethnicity-identity movements and ancestor cults is that they are very limited in scope. If someone is half-Irish and half-German, with which group should he identify?

    However, perhaps this idea of “pure race” is very a recent idea, as ancient Romans did not have problems mixing with Egyptians, Greeks, etc. Even anglos, the only peoples in the Americas who did not mix with Indians and Blacks, had no problem in mixing with other Europeans (and now with Asians).

    Jews understand that culture/religion matter more in the long run than racial purity, which is a kind of Platonic idea, and this is why they survive along the ages.

    On the other hand, while I can accept that a “white” identity can exist (at least as opposed to “black” and “asian” identities), it’s more difficult to get people to mobilize around this general “white” identity, as opposed to more precise ethnicities such as German, Italian, French, etc. It just does not seem to be a very attractive idea, especially because white people are so different and so individualistic, and so separated by class/status. To expect that rich and middle class whites will unite with proles under a “white identity” banner is very unrealistic. Witness the failure of almost all attempts to do it.

    Religion has far more capacity to mobilize people, and culture/tradition of unifying them.

  23. @Exile

    Catholicism is perfectly reconcilable with western nationalism.

    A one world government via the dissolution of all the nations is neo-babelism. Even within Catholicism.

    God destroyed Babel.

    Any form of globalist Catholicism that deviates from Catholics IN THEIR OWN NATIONS practicing Catholicism is Satanic neo-babelism.

    Galatians is constantly abused and lied about.

    Also, Trump the Jewish saviour has solved the problem of Jewish identity by legally instating Jews as a ‘nationality’, hereby, despite the inevitable protests to the contrary, resolving Jewish identity in favour of race.

    I can now say, even as a mere Mischling, that I am not a Jew. I am a white man, and an American. I am not an Israelite with a right of return, nor am I am a Jew – both which resolve and are concluded upon race, not religion. That’s not to my preference. I wish I wasn’t rejected. But that’s the resolution according to Caesar, so give unto Caesar.

    Judaism is a nationality. Christianity is a religion.

    Jewish has to be a nationality after all, or all the homosexual Russian secular Jews in Israel have to admit that they aren’t Jews. Trump has given them legitimacy in a world of Hasidics who deny it.

    Then, on the point about Averroism and the dual thinking,


    Human freedom becomes a datum of consciousness which we accept by reason while at the same time accepting divine foreknowledge as an article of faith without any attempt to reconcile the two. As a result, “philosophy and theology tend to fall apart,” and the “new way” becomes synonymous with Averroism’s doctrine of two truths.”

    But divine foreknowledge is not omniderigence according to the Bible.

    I think Theodore Beale has done a great job of actually reconciling the foreknowledge issue by pointing out the Biblical case for omniscience, not omniderigence in The Irrational Atheist .

    We don’t have to accept divine foreknowledge as an article of faith at all. God is not omniscient defined as omnidigerent according to the Bible.

    Philosophy and Theology don’t tend to fall apart.

    God is like a computer game designer. This is described ironically enough in Daniel Dennet’s Freedom Evolves. The computer game designer can’t break the original rules without breaking the game itself. But can know, or not know anything according to his will. That resolves the trap that Averroes was led into, and ironically enough Al-Ghazali as well.

    Christianity perfectly and nimbly threads the needle.

    God is voliscient, like a computer game designer and architect, not omniscient.

    The only straightforward claim to omniscience is made on God’s behalf by the Apostle John, who clearly states “he knows everything.” However, the context in which the statement is made also indicates that this particular “everything” is not intended to encompass life and the universe, but rather everything about human hearts. Not only does this interpretation make more sense in light of the verse than with an inexplicable revelation of a divine quality that appears nowhere else in the Bible, but it is also in keeping with many previous statements made about God’s knowledge.”

    In the same way that the Neo-Atheists premise for their case was an omniderigent God, the premise for Averroes dual systems you’ve described is likewise omniderigence as opposed to mere capacity for omniscience.

    Both are wrong.

    Rev. Frederick Copleston, S.J. (known for his influential multi-volume A History of Philosophy, and his debate on the existence of God with Bertrand Russell) is forced to admit that he “represents the divine will as the ultimate source of norms rather than as subject to norms which hold good independently.

    No. God is both the source of norms and subject to those norms – like a computer game designer. The Pythagoreans were right. If you can see the universe in terms of numbers not just language, then all of these things make sense. I can see it, Theodore Beale can see it – both of us can design a digital universe that Daniel Dennett describes.

    As for race.

    Jesus Christ himself made the case for race.

    Matthew 15:24-26, He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.” And he answered, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”

    Finally, while it is true that “in Christ Jesus there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female,”, it is not true that in the world in which the Christian is in, but not of, there is neither Greek and Jew, slave and free, male and female.”

    Jesus Christ very clearly delineates the importance of nations. Why? Because heterogeneity is a great evil because it always, always, always is a prelude to war and the creation of homogeneity in keeping with Gods’ scheme for his computer game of creation.

    That is why God destroyed the tower of Babel and why the United Nations building is built almost exactly on the model of Brughels’ depiction of the Tower of Babel. The United Nations is a Masonic/Satanic assault upon God. So don’t describe Catholicism as a tower of Babel. It isn’t.

    “Divided the Empire must unite, United, the Empire must divide”.

    E M Jones is the man, love reading this guy, precisely for the kind of reconciliations I’m doing here.

    Jones is right about the importance of Christianity for identity, but my generation has seen very clearly with cucked Catholics called Steinbergcuckshekel kissing rapists feet and calling Islam a true faith for money that religion alone cannot confer identity. But I must say that many Israeli’s look in with disapproval. Increasingly, Israeli nationalists are coming to take no pride in the total destruction of the West, even if they are in part implicated in that process.

    I don’t have to fight unlimited resources and millennia of lies about the nature of the universe and doctored literature to form an accurate theology in order to understand my identity – I just see these Jews larping as Christians and can dismiss their lying cant on that basis. They aren’t Christians. They’re Jews, pretending to be Christians. Baptism cannot dissolve Jewish nationality at least now under the civil law. Thank Trump, the King of Israel, of the House of David, father of Yael.

    It’s right that people start to get suspicious when we have globalism that seeks to dissolve the nations sold as Catholicism.

    Jesus ruled on the importance of the nations. God ruled on the importance of the nations. So even if you don’t believe in the Trinity, the ruling seems unequivocal, and bourne out by observable reality of the consequences of neo-Babelism.

    Western identity requires Christianity AND race – being the European peoples. And you add the Greco-Roman legal and philosophical legacy.

    Everything in the end comes back to that. Those Middle Americans that you talk about are just a poor approximation of what Francis didn’t have the lexicon at the time to describe – a westerner.

    We had to be cast into relief by the mass invasion and increasingly apparent rule of non-westerners in order to understand what we are. Francis didn’t have the Muslims and Africans raping as a comparison.

    Fundamentally, Jones is right that religion is very important to western identity.

    But to use the example of the polish Catholic – and I know many, they describe themselves as ‘white’, as ‘polish’, as ‘Catholic’ and ‘western’ – which perfectly fits the model of what Western is.

    European peoples.

    If non-western outposts of Chrstianity like the Phillipines and perhaps to an extent Korea want to assist in the liberation of the West from both the Prometheans and the Muslims and the international revolutionary Jews, that is good, but ultimately they aren’t western.

    Western is now the important identity, IMHO. Again, Francis couldn’t conceive of it at the time because it was immaterial. The idea that 50% of children in Britain today could be Muslim or African never crossed his mind, at least that I can see.

    As for Israel – I think that ultimately whites need to engage in White Zionism, and whilst resisting bad behavior from Israel, ultimately support it as a place for the Jews as it was originally conceived. They exist, they have a right to exist regardless of their historical formation, as according to the West.

    Whites can and should reject Judeo-Christianity.

    Israeli nationalism is a model for western nationalism.

    I feel, because I myself am affected by this, that Israeli’s as opposed to the international communist neo-conservatives and Luciferians, will support nationalism in the West – as long as it doesn’t feel like the onset of a new national socialism where patriotic Jews are eliminated.

    Ultimately I don’t know how this endless tension resolves itself.

    But western nationalism isn’t going to be viable unless a section of Jews support it. Jews are too intelligent, too influential, too successful.

    But remember – the diaspora can’t pivot to China anymore. They were spurned. That changes the game theory.

    Ordinary Jews constantly being used as both a sword and a shield by the internatinoal communists and the out and out Babylonian Satanists shouldn’t fear retribution that doesn’t evince except in personam.

    Religion can’t be subordinate by the way, to Mr Exile.

    The subordination of religion is by definition the promotion of Satanism in either the form of a competing false religion, or even worse, the absence of a religion.

    The evil ones who say they are Jews but are not, won’t deviate from their course.

    But I would ask the true Jews to consider the path ahead. Those who were saved by the Allies during World War 2, and who have found peace, prosperity and even hegemony in the West today.

    Do they proceed with the destruction of the world into barbarism and Islam, providing a place to people like the Black Israelites and the Wahabists who will kill them regardless of their actions or omissions, or do they assist in it’s revitalisation.

    Jews should for once, use their dual identity in a positive sense and link hands with western, as ooposed to white nationalists, and save civilization from the disloyal Jews who want them to be destroyed by Islam, atheism and the Chinese panopticon.

    • Agree: Viktor Templeton
    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  24. @Viktor Templeton

    “…The traditional Christian understanding of ethnicity preserved European charactes and cultures for centuries and can still do so…”

    That may be true for Europe, but not for the European diaspora in America and Australasia, where immigrants of European ethnicities increasingly mix. For them “pan-European” or “White” is the only identity left in an increasingly anti-White environment. Membership of a universal religion (which counts among its followers more non-Whites than Whites) cannot give that protective identity.

    • Replies: @Viktor Templeton
  25. @RichardTaylor

    Actually Ethnos itself is an expression of Logos in the sense that races are endowed with certain physical and mental characteristics which determine what kind of civilization is built. That is proved by reality time and again.

    If E. Michael Jones believes that God is the creator of everything, then he must also believe that God created the human races with their characteristics, both physical and mental. Denying the importance of race would therefore go against Jones’ own religious convictions.

    Jones’ argument is convoluted and illogical. In the present anti-White climate, Whites are under attack as Whites (and not as Christians), they better defend themselves as Whites and not as members of a universal “race-blind” religion which counts among its followers more non-Whites than Whites.

    With all of his excellent analysis of the JQ, Jones is ultimately useless, if not harmful to the WN cause.

    • Agree: RichardTaylor
  26. @Exile

    God destroyed Babel because he didn’t want the great rebellion of a great red eye atop a tower crushing all beneath it into one mass of oneist humanity to pierce the heavens and cast down the angels and take for themselves the firmament.

    He wanted something like many different towers, each liveried in the regalia and aesthetic beauty and traditions of all the nations he created, each giving glory to God in their own languages, but in accordance with his one, holy, and apostolic faith.

    That is universalism without globalism.

    Knowledge, truth and insight is a circle, with each recipient identfiying more of the circumference.

    Consider the Templar’s chant.


    Fiat pax in virtute tua

    Let there be peace in your strength

    et abundantia in turribus tuis

    and abundance in your towers.

    See? Our ancient western men understood the truth.

    et abundantia diligentibus te

    They shall propser that love thee

    Da pacem Domine, in diebus nostris

    Give peace, O Lord, in our time.

    We have been separated from our father in heaven just as we are separated from our fathers on earth. We don’t love our creator, and so we will not prosper, others have prospered. Nor will we be granted peace.

    I don’t know, perhaps it’s impossible to reconcile this with the Jewish mission to govern the world from the seat of Israel, or create a one world government and international revolution with all possessions owned by the central banks, and all thoughts created by the great deus ex machina. Whether they’re even different things is in question.

    But I think God will intervene in the program before that happens, and reset the program.

    And I think Israelis, some, at least, in their heart of hearts, don’t want to see the total destruction of all the churches and all the nations.

    The nationhood of Judaism really is interesting in how it is also of this earth.

    My thoughts on race and religion.

    • Agree: Viktor Templeton
    • Replies: @4justice
  27. @Carlton Meyer

    Unfortunately “Mexico” moved to where Sam Francis lived.

  28. @Flint Clint

    Al-Ghazali, Al-Ashari and Ockham all got caught in the trap of a binary definition of God’s omnscience, and trying to reconcile it with claims to omnipotence and omnipresence. Let it be said they did a better job that charlatan Richard Dawkins.

    They didn’t have the paradigm of computer models.

    Frederick Engels was a smarter man then many give him credit for. Who knew that dialectical materialism could be a useful tool for theology and natural philosophy.

    This is why Islam is so damaging.

    Whilst it would unleash a hurricance of positive white energies whilst dousing some negatives, it would also ultimately be false.

    E M Jones!

    • Replies: @Sya
  29. EM Jones has only part of the answer. A triple melting pot approach is insufficient, because ethnicity cannot be ignored in creating personal identity. However, how can ethnos be recovered in the US for various white ethnicities? Whites have been split up, redistributed, and intra-mongrelized. It would be difficult to put back together the various white ethnic neighborhoods and solidarities that existed prior to WWII. At the same time, it is impossible for generic whites to gain any sense of identity by affiliation to a universalist denomination that willy-nilly includes blacks, hispanics, and asians.

    The only answer is to coalesce around a church that honors the ethnos in terms of race, family, culture, language, and region, in that order. Liturgical rites and traditions would then be set up along ethnic distinctions wherever possible. If a region did not have enough of some European ethnicity, whites could nonetheless gather together in one church on the basis of a common race, culture, and language. Other racial ethnicities would do the same, and could still be part of the same denomination. Specific churches or groups of churches could then rally round to fight evils such as leftist anti-whiteness that directly affected their congregation. This would not be an attack on other racial ethnicities of that denomination, because loving one’s own race does not mean that you hate other races. At this point it should also be strongly emphasized that all Christian denominations in their current degenerate form must be completely reconstituted, regardless of whether they reformulate along the above suggested lines. Any kind of revivified church must be patriarchal and militant, completely purged of effeminate, feminist traits. Barring that, Christianity in toto dies.

    Anyway, we’ve got to start somewhere.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  30. Anon[515] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t be mean to Jared Taylor.

    He isn’t useless.

    He’s articulate and educated and presentable.

    He just didn’t realise how none of that matters to his enemies.

    He also has never seen an uncucked church. But it’s there.

  31. gotmituns says:

    Each people have their own racial soul and they can never change what’s in them.

  32. Franz says:
    @Dutch Boy

    Good point. (thanks for beating me to it!) —

    religion is a real, non-imaginary category. Race is also a real, non-imaginary category, based on biology. The people who hate us for our racial backround generally could not care less what our religion is

    Amen: If the millions of white souls butchered by (((Commies))) would have converted to Zoroastarianism a thousand years earlier they’d be just as dead.

    • Replies: @montechristoff
  33. “RACE determines what a country will be like, not a particular culture, which after all, will change over time.”

    Cultural behaviors/practices, access to resources, and a well distributed economy. are the deciding factors. Stake in ownership.

  34. @attilathehen

    Jared Taylor is an IQist, these people are not in the business of investingating human emotions and dynamics but like Marxists and SJWs, are obsessed with defending their mono-ideology, in the case of Jared Taylor, IQ test scores.

    East Asian IQ scores have been obtained through selective sampling. They sampled coastal urban areas while completely ignoring rural one. For contrast, the IQ test score of neighbouring India was from a rural tribe and the African ones are a mix of the two. Anyone who has travelled to the non-city areas of China will see that they too are shit-holes with no running water and open defecation.

    Does anyone really believe that China and East Asian countries would be where they are today if treacherous White elites hadn’t sold out the working class and exported manufacturing to China?

    They still have not managed to make an aircraft engine of their own and are still attempting to reverse engineer a Russian design. Almost all of their military tech is stolen from the West.

    Jared Taylor was born in Japan, this probably explains his yellow fever.

    • Agree: Viktor Templeton
    • Replies: @Flint Clint
    , @Sam J.
  35. “Ultimately, Francis failed “because his ideology prevented him from seeing that our culture’s greatest achievements have come in pursuit of ideas that transcend human differences. ”

    I stopped reading right there.

    • Agree: Exile
  36. TKK says:

    The fact that the same thing didn’t happen to me at the hands of Dexter van Zile is proof of my contention that the Catholic faith is a category which exists in the mind of God. As such, it cannot be contradicted by men. It guarantees protection from the predations of Satan and his synagogue on earth that no other identity can provide.

    This is insanity-making. Jones manufactures crazy like Henry Ford made automobiles.  

    • LOL: RichardTaylor
  37. @Franklin Ryckaert

    That may be true for Europe, but not for the European diaspora in America and Australasia

    Because America and Australia were constructed according to the principles of judeo-anglo masonry which is explicitly anti-Catholic and anti-European.

    You’ve fallen for the dialectic.

  38. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Whites are under attack as Whites (and not as Christians)

    You only need to turn on your television to see how the Jews hate Christianity. Better yet, look up Al Goldstein quotes. The Jewish hatred of European identity is a function of their hatred for Christ.

    • Replies: @montechristoff
  39. @Dutch Boy

    The people who hate us for our racial backround generally could not care less what our religion is.

    The Talmud says otherwise.

    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
  40. Taylor does great work and deserves respect, even if he cucks on the JQ.

    Likewise, EMJ does great work even if he cucks on race.

    I do not believe they are controlled op, paid by jews. They are both sincere in their beliefs even if they don’t quite line up with WN ideology.

    No matter how we got to be “white,” that’s the label we have today. It doesn’t matter if it’s a jew term. The obvious problem is that the jews won’t allow white people to have a voice. Pretending that we are not white isn’t going to matter in any way. The likelihood of a massive conversion to the Catholic church is very low, especially given the fact that the current Pope is a jewbrained idiot.

    It is true, however, that at one time Christianity was our cohesive group strategy, KMAC says it was our ONLY cohesive group strategy. This is what all of the arguments are all about… to find/regain a cohesive group strategy to save our people. Personally I don’t care what form the strategy takes so long as it works.

    Sadly….as long as jews rule over us we will not be permitted to have any kind of ingroup preference. In fact, the jews won’t even allow us to say that it’s okay to be what we are.

    White people are in a horrible and crazy position, left without a political solution, which could turn whites into radical violent revolutionaries.

    I’m always amazed that as smart as the jews are supposed to be, they are unable to see how much damage they are doing, and they seem to be incapable of a course correction.

  41. In his zeal to defend God’s absolute freedom, Ockham claims that God “by his absolute power . . . could will what He has in fact forbidden,”[34] which is what prompted St. Thomas Aquinas to accuse the nominalists of his day of blasphemy.

    Is that so? Aquinas died in 1227 but Ockham was not born until c.1285.

  42. anarchyst says:

    The beginning of the end of traditional Catholicism was sealed with the infiltration of the Catholic Church Vatican II Ecumenical Council of the 1960s by Jews and Protestants who were involved in the “modernization” of the Catholic Church.

    Much Catholic ritual and doctrine was discarded or changed, in order to reflect the “age” that we live in, as well as the promotion of the absolution of the Jews for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and death, despite vitriolic Jewish hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity which exists to this day. The fact is, the Jews DID get the Romans to crucify Jesus Christ and DID accept full responsibility for his crucifixion and death. As is the case today, they got others (Pontius Pilate) to do their “dirty work” for them…

    Abandoning the use of Latin in the Mass destroyed its universality. Previous to Vatican II, one could attend Mass anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and understand the meaning of the Mass.

    Prohibition of the celebration of the Tridentine Mass (except by special ecclesiastical permission) pushed many Catholics away from the new Modern Mass and the New Church, in general. It took a brave Archbishop Lefebvre and the Society of St. Pius X to push back” against Vatican II and re-legitimize the celebration of the pre-Vatican II Tridentine Mass and other Catholic rites.

    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest (celebrant of the Mass) was considered to be a part of the congregation, and a representative of the people.
    By turning the priest around to face the congregation, the priest was no longer a representative, but an actor, diminishing his status and importance.

    One area where the Catholic Church could improve itself involves celibacy, which is NOT Church dogma or doctrine. Celibacy was put in place during the middle ages in order to keep Church property from being inherited by family and relatives of priests and bishops. Celibacy was based on purely financial considerations, nothing more. It is interesting to note that Episcopal (Anglican) priests who convert to Catholicism can bring their families with them to the Church while Roman Catholic priests are denied marriage.

    It was a grave mistake by the Church to de-legitimize pre-Vatican II principles.
    Fortunately, there are Catholic organizations that still subscribe to pre-Vatican II principles, one being the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).

    • Replies: @TimeTraveller
  43. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

    This article would’ve been fantastic in the reign of Pope Benedict….

    Under Pope Faggot… it’s a stretch.

  44. Republic says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    White Nationalism and Christianity

    The question regarding White Nationalism and Christianity was addressed in an
    Article for the National Vanguard in 1982 by Dr William L Pierce


    The most important single fact concerning Christianity with which the Alliance must deal is that all the major Christian churches, Catholic and Protestant, liberal and fundamentalist, have openly aligned themselves with the enemies of the White race. The Catholics and the liberal Protestants are vigorously supporting racial mixing, while the fundamentalist Protestants are strong boosters of Zionism. These alignments will become increasingly important factors in our struggle in the years ahead, as the churches become more and more involved in social and political issues. The Jews have already announced their intention to mobilize fundamentalist Christians in their effort to maintain control of the U.S. government. The Alliance cannot remain silent in the face of such developments, for the sake of White unity or anything else.

  45. I won’t comment on author’s solution (Catholicism). I’d just address his main issue: Are Jews white?

    What does it mean?

    “White” does not mean much in Europe, I think it’s evident; it is implied that Hungarians or Italians are white. Whether there are black English, it’s up to real English to decide, but for normal European peoples- white phenotype is taken for granted. There is nothing to discuss there. In the US & similar countries, white would mean white phenotype plus Euro-American cultural/historical values, i.e. specific loyalty to the Western world & its cultural-historical continuity. US Jews, most of them, are phenotypically white, not much different from Italians or Greeks. But, what about their loyalties?

    I would say there is no uniform way they would react, but somewhere deep down they fear white “racial” identity, not just because of WW2 experience, but even more because “white” implies a combination of Greece, Rome & Christianity – their old enemies (Rome crushed their revolts in 1st & 2nd C AD; Christian crusaders turned on them along the way).

    Christian iconography remains both seductive & alien to them, from Tolkien to Game of Thrones (which, by the way, I find boring, both of them. But boring is not alien.)

    So, when US Jews hear about whites, or about necessity to preserve normal white identity & not let be swamped by blacks & browns, they instinctively fear for their lives & security. They are hypnotized by their past. For instance, they cannot absorb their cousins’ experiences from South Africa & Brazil, where more black power (or any colored power) has proven to mean inevitable demise of the Jews.

    But what about insistence on historical American nation?

    Although some of their intellectuals feel sympathy & admiration for it, mostly in areas of high culture, I would say that most US Jews feel that “Americanism” is a secular multiculturalism in English, not a continuation & diversification of basically Euro-British historical culture. By the way, most old-stock cultured Americans did not care for Jews, or even resented them.

    In the radical form, Jewish (although some coming from Israel) alienation from white historical identity can be seen here:

    The White Issue: Jews Are Not White

    We’re Jews, We’re Not White, We Define Ourselves

    Ashkenazi Jews are not white – Response to Haaretz article

    Yes, Ashkenazi Jews (Including Gal Gadot) Are People of Color

    Things are clear (at least to me): the doors should be open to Jews who see the threat of racial swamping of Euro-Americans & other whites anywhere, but one should not harbor delusions about numbers or influence of these Jews (or Jewish Americans).

    Because, ultimately, Western identity is not just a phenotype. It is the state of mind.

    What I’m more concerned about is not Jews, but self-hating Euro-Americans & Anglospheroids & Teutonics, and this is the real question….

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  46. “Also, Trump the Jewish saviour has solved the problem of Jewish identity by legally instating Jews as a ‘nationality’, hereby, despite the inevitable protests to the contrary, resolving Jewish identity in favour of race.”

    That’s not what the order does. It basically reaffirms actions that are already illegal. The one exception is the that vague phrasing regarding rhetorical discourse that would include “boycotts”.

    I think they exceed the constitutional protections. The order makes little sense as there is practically no record of Jews not being hired because they are jewish. The history indicates that jews have a healthy history of being employed by private and public organizations and have even managed to occupy top posts in the same. Did they in the past experience discrimination — I think they did, but the areas of the same are mighty thin for the issues of bread and butter.

    I don’t think the federal government should insinuating themselves in how campuses decide to protest Israel, that is a foreign country and should be as subject to critique as other foreign countries. The states and the federal government are going to use abatements and other programs to support business entities who access the same to dictate their policies regarding foreign entities. Here’s the issue in my view:

    if the matter is public funds, they why is that portion of the public that oppposes Israeli policy being used against to support a foreign country — one can legitimately argue that those who oppose Israeli policies have a right to use their financial voice to express their disapproval.

    And that would have nothing to do with how one feels about a state religion.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  47. Dutch Boy says:
    @Viktor Templeton

    True but the anti-Christian animus morphed unto anti-white animus as well (no doubt because until recently, Europeans were overwhelmingly Christian).

  48. Cowboy says:

    We should have never let the romanists join in the Presbyterian rebellion…first mistake

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  49. @Robert Dolan

    White people are in a horrible and crazy position, left without a political solution, which could turn whites into radical violent revolutionaries.

    My crystal ball is a bit muddy, but I can easily imagine a future dystopia of local warlords presiding over limited territories. The warlords would create their own ideologies, craziness enforced at the point of a gun (or at some future point, spear).

    This will be bad for everyone–just as white civilization raised the standard of living for everyone.

    I don’t even want to think about where nuclear weapons fit in such a scenario….

  50. I read and respect EMJ, but it’s silly to say that race isn’t real; if EMJ had grown up in the South in the 50s and 60s as I did, he would have found out that there were indeed TWO and only TWO relevant groups, whites and blacks.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  51. @TimeTraveller

    “Quod nullum est, nullum producite effectus “
    You speak about LOGOS, but in fact you are referring to PATHOS and only that. Or maybe you do, but just know this:

    Even greatest spiritual power, can exist together with the greatest moral corruption. Pure example is Bacon, Baron Verulam. Ungrateful, craving power, evil and vile, he went so far that as lord chancellor and royal judge accepted bribes in civil litigations. Accused in front of members of House of Lords, he pleaded guilty, was driven out of the same House, convicted to pay £40000 and thrown in London Tower

    (World as Will and Representation, A. Schopenhauer)
    You speak of Catholics, but who’s colony was USA?
    Not of Vatican, but UK, and every subject’s soul was under the jurisdiction of Church of England. Later, with mingling of immigrants Vatican played a bigger role, but even so, not everything is Vatican’s doing.

  52. @Viktor Templeton

    And why do they hate him so much?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  53. Matra says:

    Sam and I, as I pointed out in my talk at his memorial service, came from two different ethnic groups. I was a Catholic from the North, and he was a Protestant from the South who had abandoned his religion at an early age. As a result, Sam did not know who he was.

    Sam, being from the old stock Anglo Protestants who defined and built the country, was an American. He knew what he was whether he went to church or not. What he didn’t know and was working on was a way to ensure that his people didn’t end up completely marginalised in that country and yes, race, was a part of that, though I don’t recall him being a reductionist about it.

    Unlike Sam’s people EMJ is an ethnically mixed Catholic Ellis Islander without deep roots in, or affection for, America, so he has come up with a complicated explanation for why people should define themselves exclusively by religion. If EMJ were born and raised in the Ireland of his parents/grandparents, speaking with their accent and with a sense of place I very much doubt he would feel this need to define his ethnicity by religion. So here we have yet again Ellis Islanders with their seemingly innate aversion to blood ties and any kind of nationalism attempting to promote identity based on universal ideas. Same old, same old.

    • Agree: RVBlake
  54. @Viktor Templeton

    Thankfully, papal infallibility is more limited than most people think.

    So limited that Christianity broke to Orthodox and Catholic Church. 😂

  55. Jake says:

    Compared to E. Michael Jones, the arch-WASPs at VDARE Brimelow and Derbyshire are like English boys at ‘good public schools’ (i.e. super elite boarding schools) fagging their foes and one another. They are, like Sam Francis for most of his life, logical, natural and very proud secularized products of the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism.

    That is the reason they are at best wasting their, and our, time in any opposition to the flow of the Anglo-Zionist Empire. They do not oppose the Anglo-Zionist Empire; rather, they want to turn the clock back to 1946 or 1912 or 1901 and freeze the Anglo-Zionist Empire then.

    This is a spiritual war. Anything other than acting to revive Christendom and fully historic Apostolic Christianity is guaranteed to aid the Anglo-Zionist Empire.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  56. E Michael Jones is an evil Catholic baby boomer Leprechaun Kraut who attacks Sam Francis for one simple reason: Sam Francis was of colonial American English blood ancestry and Sam Francis was born in Tennessee.

    Arrogant baby boomer Catholic scum without colonial American English ancestry such as E Michael Jones only understand the entirety of colonial America and the formation of the United States of America through books and their rancid Roman Catholic FEVER SWAMP minds.

    E Michael Jones does not represent all of the many, many good men and women of integrity and grit and tough spirit that have Proud Irish and Proud German blood.

    E Michael Jones is the embodiment of every vile arrogant skunk from David Frum to Charles Schumer to John Brennan to Jim Comey to Rupert Murdoch to Jeffrey Epstein to Harvey Weinstein to the arrogant scum who run Comcast or Viacom or Disney or Alphabet or Google or Apple or Facebook or any other interloper anti-White and anti-Christian scum who have declared total war on the historic American nation.

    E Michael Jones’s ancestors neither colonized nor settled nor pioneered colonial America nor did they fight in the American Secessionary Colonial War Against the British Empire nor did they form the political and cultural structure of the United States of America. SAM FRANCIS’S people were the ones who did that and the very essence of this nation was infused in Sam Francis.

    E Michael Jones is a despicable INTERLOPER Catholic who presumes to attack Sam Francis?

    Go To Hell E Michael Jones!

    Attention E Michael Jones:

    Get back to telling the squalid story of those anti-White and anti-Christian scumbags at the ADL and lay off the cheap attacks on Sam Francis!

    Good stuff, Jones! Combative Unz Review stuff that made me defend the great Sam Francis, thank you!

  57. FvS says:

    I’d rather live in atheist Czech Republic or Denmark than Christian Uganda or Honduras.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  58. FvS says:

    Jews understand the power of subtlety. Why can’t you?

  59. @Franz

    What about millions of white souls butchered by White Catholics? What about them? Or maybe they are untermensch? Like the Serbian children in Jasenovac who were fed burn-hot porridge filled with shards of glass by Catholic Nuns? No, they don’t hate you because you are white, but because you are descendants of murderous scum that have a culture of pillage, and phony sense of self-worth. That’s why they hate you.
    Look at Europe, look at South America it’s the same picture. Except for one Cardinal who stood by its people and got killed everywhere else Catholic priest are part of the problem. And not only them, there so many missionaries from other “congregations” of cult of Rome that head will turn. When Yugoslavia broke apart there were so many young missionaries trying to convert the people there to either Catholicism or some other ism. Christianity was spread from there to Europe, what gives someone a right to convert someone from orthodox to catholic or what not. There was a deal between the Vatican and orthodox churches not to do so and yet someone somehow does not holds to their end of the deal.

    • Replies: @Franz
  60. Armenian history is a very good example of the importance of religious identity. We had a strong identity from being christianized in 303AD which strengthened us for the terrible struggle for survival in the centuries that followed.

    I met Sam Francis at a Chronicles conference organized by Tom Fleming in the 1990’s. He was very much a gentleman.

  61. @anarchyst


    When I made my original comment, it wasn’t really inspired by the article, or theology, or the history of the Catholic church, but instead it was inspired by my brother-in-law.

    My brother-in-law is (was) an American Catholic from a distant Polish background. He tipped his hat to his Polish ancestry when he learned to make pierogies. We might say that this was the influence of “race” on his identity.

    This individual studied and obtained his MBA, after which he went to work for a Jewish-owned and managed insurance company. The setting for this story is Connecticut. Now, after many years of bumping his head on the glass ceiling there (and enduring my mockery for it), he finally abandoned the Catholic faith altogether and became an Evangelical (Zionist) Protestant. Rather than being attracted to this new faith by “sole scriptura” or promises of a Third Temple, he was attracted by the “prosperity Gospel.” That is to say, he believed he could rise higher socially and materially by choosing a faith that he believed would endear himself to his bosses and help him climb the career ladder.

    I would call this person a model American Catholic, in the sense that his attitudes are representative. His behavior, his choices in life don’t reflect his racial origin (except to the extent that he isn’t Jewish) nor the councils of Vatican 2, as much as they reflect his love of money, status, and the material world. I would bet that the halls of corporate America are filled with people like this.

    I think that probing this type of person and his attitudes would shed more light about issues of identity in “white America” than talking about Sam Francis and the triple-melting pot theory. I wonder if this person would have behaved differently if Vatican II had never happened.

    • Replies: @DanFromCT
    , @Jake
  62. @attilathehen

    Are you a Roman Catholic? If yes, would you accept a black/Asian priest-pope?

    Are you a Roman Catholic? If yes, would you have accepted St. Augustine of Hippo if he had become a pope?

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  63. AaronB says:

    In the end, an identity must be broad based – rich, complex, and deep. One’s identity must spread its roots into all areas of emotional and practical life. One dresses certain way, one talks a certain way, one thinks a certain characteristic way, one eats certain foods, a certain way, one gestures and moves a certain way, one is emotional a certain way.

    And all this must be highly idiosyncratic and only partially definable and partially explainable. Identity is as much a taste, a flavor, a feeling, as much as it is a concept, an idea. Identity is a “dense” phenomenon.

    Therefore, an identity cannot be rationally constructed – or at least, not wholly.

    What stands between whites/Europeans and an identity today is the same old thing that destroyed their identity to begin with – rationally constructing an identity, which meant de-constructing the organic density of their old identity.

    Returning to an old, dense, organic form of identity like Catholicism may seem like a solution to people looking for any port in a storm, but once an organic identity has been deconstructed, it cannot be put together again, like humpty dumpty. It must be reinvented in a new form.

    Plus, for an identity to remain vital and alive it must continually reinvent itself. Catholicism has a beautiful history, but everyone feels it is somehow “lifeless” today, its myths and symbols no longer have the same potency. It can probably work for a small number of highly aesthetic people.

    All these considerations suggest that what is needed is to cease attempting to rationally construct an identity and allow a dense identity to develop along organic lines.

    Which means the organic biological model should replace the rational model in our thinking. A plant grows and develops roots and branches according to an inner force and power and according to a logic that is very different from human rationality. The roots and branches seem complex and almost “chaotic”, but clearly obey an inner logic and unity, that seems “weird” and “crooked” to our sequential human rationality.

    And a true identity must be “weird, and crooked”, but nevertheless be a certain kind of order.

    So to return to a “weird”, dense, identity, one must treat ones identity as one would prune a plant – perhaps directing here and there a little, cutting this off, adding this, but also standing back and letting its inner biological force do its thing in surprising ways.

    Catholicism can perhaps be this “plant” and the foundation – but one must let be develop organically like a plant, and step back a bit.

  64. @EliteCommInc.

    It doesn’t matter what the order does legally.

    What matters is what it does to socio-cultural perception. Okay?

    I know Jews. I have a Jewish mind.

    Jews are now a nation. Of course, they kvetch all sides of the dodecahedron, so now they’re kvetching about double loyalty where before they kvetched about non-existent discrimination they didn’t control.

    But if any man says now that Jews are a nation, they all, including Ben Shapiro can quibble but in the end, they have to acquiesce.

    And it is a disgraceful abrogation of the rights of every American to free speech.

    But it is what it is.

  65. @the_old_one

    Jones (apparently) thinks if whites and blacks profess to be Protestants, they are the same ethnic group.

  66. @Just passing through

    In the process of gunning down Chanda Chisala with my Lee Enfeld .308 and his clear insinuation that Nigerians do better in Britain then Kangz in the US because of racism, I pointed something out.

    Jim Flynn studied the IQ’s of the class of 1966 of Chinese Americans who graduated in 1982.

    Their parents had IQ’s of 97 verbal, and 100 non-verbal.

    Flynn now believes that due to balls to the wall hard labour Chinese have IQ’s of 103 non-verbal, 97 verbal.

    What is that IQ compared to whites at 100 for both on average? Even today, even under this barrage of abject and total cultural destruction.

    Italy, has parity IQ with Chinese. Italian IQ is actually technically higher because their verbal is higher. For example.

    Chinese have inferior verbal IQ’s on average, and barely, barely better non-verbal IQ”s on average which are really a work-ethic effect.

    Anyone who is an identarian needs to actually read Flynn’s 2007 book ‘What is Intelligence‘.

    It never ceases to amaze me what happens when white men approach an issue earnestly and with humility.

    Flynn, in seeking to establish a basis for larger environmental effects as a life-long communist socialist and mudshark, actually enshrined white IQ genetic superiority along the way.

    Not just vis a vis blacks, but with respect to Asians. Asians are not a saviour yes? They butchered white men on the Kokoda trail and the death marches of Burma. They deserved to have their teeth put up in garden sheds in the back yard.

    Any form of self-abnegation is wrong. With respect to anyone.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  67. @Jake

    This is a spiritual war. Anything other than acting to revive Christendom and fully historic Apostolic Christianity is guaranteed to aid the Anglo-Zionist Empire.


    “Historic Apostolic Christianity” went off the rails in pretty short order.

    I wish I could endorse EMJ as a leading Catholic intellectual but I can’t. I agree w/ Exile @ #3:

    Jones’ agenda is a form of Catholic-first identity politics. For all of Jones’ justified and praise-worthy criticism of Jewish influence in modern American society, his agenda is not an acceptable alternative. He is merely competing with Jews and their fellow travelers in seeking to usurp our natural identity and replace it with another cult of universalist utopian sophistry.

    Jews had numerous grievances that impelled them to a vanguard position in the destruction of Germany — just about the most complete devastation in human history. Among those grievances was the activity of German theologians and scholars to separate the way Germans expressed Christian-ness from its Hebrew – Old Testament “roots.” Susannah Heschel owns the franchise on that argument and it is almost only through Heschel that English speakers / readers can know about Walther Grundmann and the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Religious Life.

    Based on Jones’s writing & speaking, he would endorse Heschel’s view; Jones insists that “we (Catholics – Christians) are children of Moses and Abraham; and that “the Old Testament can only be understood in terms of the New Testament.” I reject that as not only illogical but also as abhorrent; I have no idea why that should be important: let Jews have their Hebrew Scriptures and welcome to them; let Christians understand their beliefs in terms that do not have to be tied to an Abrahamic vision that empowers itself to force others, even to death, to accept their view of god.
    I surely reject Abraham and all his pomps, and also Moses and his genocidal deeds, and likewise Joshua, the ancient model for the present-day “spy on ’em, prostitute ’em, infiltrate ’em, invade ’em, kill ’em, steal the rest.”

    I reject any and all association with the prostitute-genocidaire Esther.

    I reject a god who counsels, “Dash their children upon the rocks” (those rocks being named Mrs. Rabbi Randi Weingarten’s public school system, and holocaustism’s Anne Frank, and Drag Queens in libraries) one breath away from “If I forget o Zion let my right hand be forgot.”

    Give me Zeus any day. At least the Greek people understood that the Greek (and Roman) god-myths represented an important insight as well as an attempt at understanding a complex and mysterious natural and super-natural world rather than a model of political being-in-the-world.

    I see far more value in reviving Walther Grundmann’s Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Religious Life. than in “reviv[ing] Christendom and fully historic Apostolic Christianity”.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
    , @bluefire
  68. @Matra

    I’m descended from the 17th and 18th Century Anglo-Celtic Protestant pioneers. In the 21st Century EMJ and I are of the same ethnic group.

  69. Bill P says:

    I’m an old-stock American whose first American paternal ancestor arrived in the New World before the Puritans (Jamestown settlement), and I’m a Catholic. Most of my American ancestors were Anglicans (of Welsh, English and Scots Irish descent), then Episcopalians after the Revolution. The Anglican Church was the largest American denomination for a long time. Three quarters of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Anglicans, George Washington was an Anglican, etc.

    I was baptized Catholic because my paternal grandfather insisted. His mother was an Irish immigrant, and strongly Catholic. So precisely one of my great grandparents was a Catholic immigrant. All the rest were Protestants.

    When I went to church with my paternal grandparents I went to a Catholic church. When I went with my maternal grandparents I went to an Episcopalian church. There wasn’t a whole lot of difference between them back then. This would be back in the early 80s.

    Since then, however, they have diverged a lot, and I’m glad I was baptized Catholic, because the Episcopal Church is hardly recognizable as a Christian church these days. I cannot feel any allegiance to an old American denomination that puts open lesbians in the pulpit and makes a sacrament out of sodomy. And the Episcopal Church has always claimed to be Catholic anyway. In fact, the only thing I preferred about it was the Anglican liturgy, which is now an approved liturgy in the Catholic Church.

    Personally, I don’t see any conflict between being an American and being Catholic. Many American forms of Protestantism are more foreign from an Anglo perspective than Catholicism. Lutheranism, Calvinism and Anabaptism are all continental innovations. Perhaps Methodism is a truly Anglo form of Protestantism, but it’s gone down the same dark path as the Episcopal Church.

    So what’s left for us Anglo Christians? As far as I can tell, there are only three denominations still worthy of the title “Christian” in the US: Baptism, Orthodoxy and Catholicism. For those of us from the Anglican tradition, Catholicism is the rational choice, especially now that the Anglican liturgy has been adopted, largely due to the efforts of Anglo Americans who wish to preserve their traditional faith.

    • Replies: @Matra
    , @Uncle Remus
  70. @Charles Pewitt

    You people don’t get it.

    ‘Any’ form of pan-nationalist imperialism be it Jewish, or Arab, or Slavic, or a Great East-Asian Co Prosperity sphere or a European Union or a ‘Soviet Union‘ is evil and doomed to failure.

    Empire always attracts the provinces in, as the centre of the world, and then they proceed to destroy the empire by disrupting or eliminating the practices which enabled it in the first place.

    The US is already had the Augustus Caesar stage.

    I mean listen to Richard Spencer:

    MARK BRAHMIN: He sends down his minions. He says lets go down and confuse their languages and disrupt them. So that Tower of Babel is kind of an ideal. That’s something that our adversaries wouldn’t want. When I say “the Tower of Babel” that would actually be a kind of unified culture. This unified language, or a common language, and common culture. We already have that to on extent or another, with English being a common language in the Western World. I think going in that direction, further in that direction, is actually a good thing.

    RICHARD SPENCER: We need to flip all this supposed Biblical wisdom on its head. This is the paleocon answer: Oooh the Tower of Babel or whatever! It’s funny that a lot of these people are Catholics. No, we build structures that last a thousand years. That is what we do. We build the Tower of Babel. We build Rome and we centralize things and bring people together. And this can last a long time.”

    Any doubts I had about whether or not Richard Spencer is being paid by the Alphabet Bois has now dissipated.

    He is at best a juvenile twit. He is at worst, working for the snake. He just looks CIA.

    The differences between European nations are too vast – it only seems viable in the United States because of circumstances very specific to the United States.

    You have to have a religious identity that is pan-nationalist, it cannot be ethnic.

    EMJ is one of the very few individuals who speaks out about the Jewish element behind all those companies and entities you listed.

    If we are to rebuild Rome it has to be very early Rome. The Rome of the first Italian Republic. The Rome only of the peninsula.

    Constantine was smart, not stupid, for endorsing the christian religion. It enabled the empire to last much longer then it would have otherwise.

    Neo-Pagans and racial larpers need to read ‘The Everlasting Man’ by Chesterton.

    Christianity was the civilizing light of the world because it civilized the nations. What came before was a glamour, a mystique, a ‘feeling’ it was not a philosophy!

    That’s why when it was offered back by the Emperor Julian it failed.

    But Roman martial prowess should be emulated.

    That’s why if the Alphabet Bois send their foreign mercenaries into Virginia to take the rifles, they best have their backplates tied up.

    It’s either going to go like Yugoslavia, or the partition of India.

    As a Mischling, I’m trying to tell Jews they need to ensure it’s peaceful. Because it’s ridiculous people my age are starting to have to consider these matters. It’s ridiculous. If everyone lets this whole venture fail, everyone deserves what they are going to get.

    • Replies: @Jake
  71. Cowboy says:

    This is the kind of crap you find on the American conservative …. freaky Daniel Larison shit

  72. Anti-HBD says:

    When race is not real, I honestly do not understand how it can be such a big political topic to argue about.

  73. @Flint Clint

    I personally think this obsession with IQ in the Identiarian community needs to come to an end. The concept itself is very suspect in my view, iron will an creativity ultimately decide who wins. The Chinese, despite their propaganda and help from race-mixers like Unz Review’s John Derbyshire and others with yellow-fever fantasising about a “yellow-white alliance” (like Dylann Roof), are very insecure and have not actually invented much.

    The above article shows an example of a teacher being hounded own by the Chinese government for justifiably shooting down high-flying Chinese propaganda regarding the “Four Great Chinese Inventions”, he must have had a point if they had to censor him, the Chinese didn’t make use of any of these technologies in a meaningful way.

    China could be reined in withina decade or two if White countries made a concerted effort to boycott their good and bring back manfacturing to the West, of course treacherous CEOs have sold out their nations in favour of more profits for them and the shareholders.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  74. @Robert Dolan

    “I’m always amazed that as smart as the jews are supposed to be, they are unable to see how much damage they are doing, and they seem to be incapable of a course correction.”

    The nature of a virus is to consume its host even at the expense of its own existence.

  75. the identity of the antagonists was ethnic not racial in the sense commonly portrayed in the media.

    E. Michael Jones engages in as much obscurantism as his opponents. Ethnicity is a subset of race, religion is a superset of culture.

    “White guy” has become a placeholder for the original term: “American.” Black people don’t call themselves “American” – they call themselves “African-American” with an emphasis on the “African.”

    Jews call themselves “Jews” regardless of their religious or secular beliefs. The term “Jewish-American” is rarely heard, the term is “American Jew” – the “Jew” being the identity and the “American” being the geographical locale they happened currently inhabit.

    The term for us – “American” – was stolen by immigrants and American-born children of immigrants who refused to assimilate – like E. Michael Jones, who is fanatically anti-American. The idea that “anyone can become an American,” thus, a Chinese baby born to a Chinese mother during a two week stay in Los Angeles is just as “American” as anyone is a tactic like “people of color” which means “anyone on earth except Europeans.” The entire point is to obscure the actual white identity of Americans.

    The word “white” was never anything more than a shorthand, anyway.

    It would indeed be better to reclaim our actual identity as “Americans” – and grant those like E. Michael Jones, who hate us, the benefit of the doubt and say E. Michael Jones is “not an American.”

    Indeed, E. Michael Jones is very similar to David Frum; both are overtly hostile to actual Americans due to their ethnic and religious bigotry. The ungrateful children of guests, it would be better if they both went back to where they came from.

    • Agree: Exile, MikeatMikedotMike
  76. @Exile

    Belief in the soul and the supernatural is a fact of human nature and something so widely manifest that we may dare call it universal, but the particulars of those beliefs are legion.

    The supernatural is so ephemeral, remote and ambiguous to our material lives that it cannot be the sole “first thing” foundation of identity in the societal of political sense. It can be an element of identity, a first of things, but not the first of things.

    If we make religion the ruling element of identity, society and politics, or even elevate it to “first among equals,” we will be dominated by a priestly caste which rules with words, sophistry, categorical moral imperatives and esoteric knowledge. This is historically the most despotic manifestation of governance and the one most demonstrably remote from the concerns of secular governors and the populace at large.

    Not quite. Jewish supremacism is sustained & intensified by a belief in a specifically divine Jewish soul. I am not saying that supernaturalism is right (or wrong); just, it could be completely in harmony with any kind of world-view, as regards a collective identity & distinctiveness from undesirable “others”.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  77. Gast [AKA "Gast (wieder)"] says:

    Jones’ “philosophy” is very dishonest. What Jones ignores is the fact (undeniable and clear as it gets) that the Christian cult is not rational at all, it is anti-rational. It is a slave religion that the jews gave for the slaves of the Roman empire. Those slaves were not rational and should remain irrational because the founders of that religion wanted them to stay slaves.

    Christianity imagines a topsy turvy world in which the slaves will triumph in a second life after death, but in this life things don’t matter so much. So the “last ones will be the first ones” in the sermon of the mount sums up a good part of this strange creed. This cult does not give rational advice to its followers. “Don’t plan for the future”, “stay poor” (very important for the jewish slave masters who wanted all the riches for themselves), “love your enemies” (again very important for the slave masters who wanted a docile mass). All this is not rational advice, it is the opposite. So it takes a huge amount of chutzpah from Jones to declare that this cult which exhorts its followers to walk through life like little children is the embodiment of “logos”.

    It is true though that the silly advice, of which the New Testament is full of, was largely ignored when Christianity became the religion of state with our ancestors after the fall of Rome (in which Christianity played a major part, although I believe it is more the symptom of the decline than its cause). You cannot run a state if you truly “love your enemies”. So there were certainly rational men in the Western church. But they were rational despite being Christian not because of being Christian.

    So Jones’ thinking is based on a completely false foundation and cannot be considered worthy by rational men. “Logos” is neither with Jones nor with Christianity which in its current state is a huge part of our problem.

    • Replies: @Jake
  78. AaronB says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Except that you can convert to Judaism and a acquire a Jewish soul – so the concept is similar to baptism or being “born again” in Christ.

    So a Jewish soul vs a gentile soul is not something unalterable and cut in stone.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  79. @Charles Pewitt

    E Michael Jones … attacks Sam Francis for one simple reason: Sam Francis was of colonial American English blood ancestry and Sam Francis was born in Tennessee.

    All of these issues revolve around foreigners – like EMJ – who want to steal America from actual Americans, people like Sam Francis, Catholics like Bill P. in his comment above, and myself, the Pioneer-stock posterity of the American Founding Fathers.

    Thus, E. Michael Jones and various immigrant Irish-Catholic Bostonians are a little bit higher on the “oppression scale” than actual Americans – to the extent they reject actual Americans, the actual pioneer stock of the Founding Fathers.

    Brown Muslim immigrants are high up on the “oppression scale” than EMJ, African-Americans higher still, and of course Jews at the very top – for now.

    We actual Americans founded America and people like E. Michael Jones, Jews like David Frum, and Muslims like Ilhan Omar want to take it from us by “deconstructing” our identity and stealing the identity of “American” for themselves.

    Hence we get the absurd notion that “immigrants are the real Americans.”

    It’s a pity – and pathetic – that E. Michael Jones holds on to his “Irish German biracialism” simply so he can distinguish himself from Americans. Certainly, his racial enemies know he is nothing but a “white guy” no matter what he claims.

    To Jews E. Michael Jones is still a “Nazi” despite his religion.

    And when E. Michael Jones travels to South America he’s just a “Yankee” despite his claims otherwise. When EMJ visits Ireland or Germany, they laugh at his “biracial” pretensions and regard him as just an “American.”

    It’s just that E. Michael Jones hates America, the English, and Protestants so much he’ll do anything to distance himself from his fellow Americans.

    In this he is exactly like Jews like David Frum.

    • Replies: @Bernie
  80. @Just passing through

    IQ is real.

    Whites are just at the top of the totem.

    What’s happened is we got soft and lazy, and cultural desecrated. So now, Nigerians from a much lower base are defeating British Whites who don’t know up from down or anything beyond the present moment.

    These travails are going to ultimately be good for Whites. You are now entering the Jewish mindset, under seige, tactical, strategic, multifarious, questioning your assumptions, weighing up contingencies, starting to think as a bloc.

    Getting educated and into positions of power should be a knife-fight, like it was in the Roman Republic.

    Whites lack alacrity and vigour and vitality. But hilariously enough, now it’s coming back under so much outside pressure.

    Accelerationism isn’t totally devoid of merit.

    The American nation is the nation of the posterity. Everyone else conforms – or the militias form, and the sheriffs deputise and then we see ultimately the difference between power and influence.

    This is the difference between the bug-people of China who call themselves Han and the people of the West.

    Two of the last three dynasties were foriegn ruled. Even the Tang golden age was foreign.

    Whites have only been ruled by foreign aliens in their respective nations since world war 1 and the Federal Reserve and the Income Tax. Before that, per Belloc and others as far back as the dynasty of the Komnenes who spread into the European nobility the Jews had to marry into your families. They couldn’t rule outright.

    So I don’t care about the IQ bleaters. But Chinese don’t have higher IQ’s then whites. They DON’T. And hard work like our fathers did to clear land and build civilization beats IQ.

    Embrace the Jewish mindset white people, just purify it. And bring in the Mischlings who are now marooned between Israel, and the international Jewish nation, and their states of Europe where they are watching the descent some with tears in their eyes.

  81. “It doesn’t matter what the order does legally. What matters is what it does to socio-cultural perception. Okay? I know Jews. I have a Jewish mind. Jews are now a nation. Of course, they kvetch all sides of the dodecahedron, so now they’re kvetching about double loyalty where before they kvetched about non-existent discrimination they didn’t control. But if any man says now that Jews are a nation, they all, including Ben Shapiro can quibble but in the end, they have to acquiesce.
    And it is a disgraceful abrogation of the rights of every American to free speech.”

    Edited for space —– no change in content or context, in my view.

    Hmmmmm . . .

    it does matter what legally an executive mandate without legal force is dressing. As for the socio-cultural press here: there is no Jewish nation in the US. There is Israel, comprised primarily of Jews established in 1948 by UN mandate.

    The document:


    “Executive Order 13899 of December 11, 2019
    Combating Anti-Semitism
    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered as follows:

    Section 1. Policy. My Administration is committed to combating the rise of anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic incidents in the United States and around the world. Anti-Semitic incidents have increased since 2013, and students, in particular, continue to face anti-Semitic harassment in schools and on university and college campuses.

    Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Title VI), 42 U.S.C. 2000d et seq., prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin in programs and activities receiving Federal financial assistance. While Title VI does not cover discrimination based on religion, individuals who face discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin do not lose protection under Title VI for also being a member of a group that shares common religious practices. Discrimination against Jews may give rise to a Title VI violation when the discrimination is based on an individual’s race, color, or national origin.

    It shall be the policy of the executive branch to enforce Title VI against prohibited forms of discrimination rooted in anti-Semitism as vigorously as against all other forms of discrimination prohibited by Title VI.

    Sec. 2. Ensuring Robust Enforcement of Title VI. (a) In enforcing Title VI, and identifying evidence of discrimination based on race, color, or national origin, all executive departments and agencies (agencies) charged with enforcing Title VI shall consider the following:

    (i) the non-legally binding working definition of anti-Semitism adopted on May 26, 2016, by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), which states, “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities”; and

    (ii) the “Contemporary Examples of Anti-Semitism” identified by the IHRA, to the extent that any examples might be useful as evidence of discriminatory intent.

    (b) In considering the materials described in subsections (a)(i) and (a)(ii) of this section, agencies shall not diminish or infringe upon any right protected under Federal law or under the First Amendment. As with all other Title VI complaints, the inquiry into whether a particular act constitutes discrimination prohibited by Title VI will require a detailed analysis of the allegations.

    Sec. 3. Additional Authorities Prohibiting Anti-Semitic Discrimination. Within 120 days of the date of this order, the head of each agency charged with enforcing Title VI shall submit a report to the President, through the Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy, identifying additional nondiscrimination authorities within its enforcement authority with respect to which the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism could be considered.

    Sec. 4. Rule of Construction. Nothing in this order shall be construed to alter the evidentiary requirements pursuant to which an agency makes a determination that conduct, including harassment, amounts to actionable Start Printed Page 68780discrimination, or to diminish or infringe upon the rights protected under any other provision of law.

    Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

    (i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

    (ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

    (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

    (c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person. ”

    Nothing in the content of context suggests and change in the socio-culture of jews. It does create a breech of the Constitution by attempting outlaw criticism of Jews or Israel, including the right to protest and or boycott. Whether there has been a rise in anti-semitism should only have bearing if some level of discrimination is demonstrated — and the executive order cannot apply to foreign states, including Israel. Nor is there any force in the Constitution that mandates “anyone’s perception” be outlawed.

    Every citizen has a right to dislike whom they choose, however, they cannot act out to deny that individual their rights as citizens — and I think, it’s on the rhetorical and “perception” end the document will be challenged and fail. Perception is just unworkable as a standard, in my view.

    As it was already against the law to discriminate against US citizens, most of the EO is redundant.

    The only cultural shift is for US citizens, will they have to think twice before criticizing Israel, if they claim that jews are this or a that in critique will that critique subject them legal risks/jeopardy.

  82. @AaronB

    Except that basically no one converts:

    And that the idea of “acquiring” a “Jewish soul” is contradictory & is basically a modern invention, not to be found in classical Jewish sources. Those converts to Judaism are to variants of Judaism generally not recognized in Israel; more, the dominant Jewish position until WW2 (and some time later) was that there was no conversion at all during period of classical Judaism that historically matters, i.e. which crystallized from c. 3-4 C AD & over more than 1500 years that followed.

    Unlike Christianity & Islam, Judaism is an ethnic religion, and it would be foolish to deny it.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  83. Dumbo says:

    Fair enough, but St. Augustin was not black. He was African in the sense that he was born in Algeria, but at that time it was basically white people living there. (He was Berber, Berbers are not Subsaharan blacks)

    • Replies: @Jake
  84. Identity has multiple sources. Which is most influential depends on time and place. Blacks and Asians are admitted to have an identity via race. Secular Jews also have a strong identity that is historical and cultural rather than religious. Hispanics, though nearly all Catholics, do not identify with Catholic Italians, Irish, or Poles. Jones himself often points out that in the old days (1950s) Hungarians, Czechs, and Ukrainians saw themselves as distinct races and resented incursions into their neighborhoods by the others.

    It’s also implausible to say that Jews rejected Logos by rejecting Christ — whatever Logos is (Jones doesn’t say. It seems to be something like the large-scale coherence of the universe, if such there is.) Aristotle and Plato knew nothing of Christ, who had not been born. Did they too reject Logos? Yet Aquinas made Aristotle his chief authority.

    Jones would be on firmer ground saying that religion supplies a much richer sense of identity than race — though any trait that causes people to be persecuted can turn into a pretty strong determiner of identity, as we see from Gay Lib.

    At bottom, Francis’ “failure” reflected the lack of money, skill, and access on the part of those who sympathized with his ideas, which is how all right-of-center movements fail in the post-WWII era.

    • Replies: @Bernie
    , @AaronB
    , @Dube
  85. Laughing . . . didn’t like where that was going . . . nonetheless ,

    if rhetorical critique, and perception is the standard then it will be a standard applicable to all IS citizens. Black US citizens, white US citizens, brown US citizens, citizens period will be able to call out critique and the perceptions of the same as civil rights violations. Catholics can challenge anyone who critiques their ethos and behavior as a civil rights violation, no more decrying women priests, pastors etc. I can envision a long list of violations and no one will be more happier than

    sports referees and they bring coaches, players and fans to court for creating hostile environments for their calls on courts, and fields . . . if there was ever a group in need of relief from criticism and hostile perceptions —

    it’s referees.

  86. Dumbo says:

    I know very little about Sam Francis (read only a few of his columns here) and while he’s smart and all, this idea of MARs rising up is really more wishful-thinking than reality. There is not unified group of “MARs”, and now even less.

    We have actually (at least) three types of identity: one is Biological (genes), so we belong to a certain ethnicity or perhaps more than one. White, Black, Asian in general terms, and then more specifically West African, Italian, Indian, etc.

    Then there is one identity that is Cultural (nation/culture/tradition and language), which is related but different. For instance, someone can be 100% ethnic German but being born and grown up in Brazil in one of the german colonies there, he will not fit in Germany if he moves there as an adult even if his DNA is 100% German.

    And then there is one identity that is spiritual/religious. This is related to culture or to your family/where you grew up, but not necessarily, as you can convert. And this is also important as it also informs your identity and your sense of belonging.

    (And then there is also class but this is a separate issue.)

    The ideal is if you have a nation of people who are similar in all three ways: i.e. all same ethnicity, same language and culture, same religion. But it’s not always possible.

    I like EMJ, but he’s a bit blind to the first aspect of this equation. I can accept that a black man can be Catholic, and he can also learn the culture and the language and the tradition of whichever country, but he’ll never be White (or German, or Polish, or whatever).

    Of course, the same is true for the other aspects, you can have two White people but who might not get along or consider themselves equal for other reasons (cultural, religious, class, etc).

  87. @Bardon Kaldian

    Ultimately, why does it matter what Jews think? I guess because their voice drowns out ours at this point. That is the real issue. What would happen if we ignored their preferences? Presumably a fate too awful to contemplate!

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  88. Bernie says:

    So many mistakes. It is clear the author doesnt know much about Sam Francis or even the Dissident Right in general:

    1. “but after getting fired from the Washington Times, Sam abandoned conservatism in favor of white identity.”

    Huh? Sam was writing about race in the late 80s for Chronicles and early 90s for American Renaissance. He read The Dispossessed Majority in the 1970s. He was fired from the Washington Times in 1995.

    2. “he became the posthumous father of the Alt-Right, a white nationalist or separatist movement which formed in the wake of the identity vacuum created by the sexual chaos practiced by their parents.”

    Huh? Sam is admired by many in the Dissident Right but many others probably have never heard of him. In any event, nobody slides into the Dissident Right because of “sexual chaos.” It is almost always because of anti-white racism.

    3. “Kevin MacDonald, America’s premier racial theorist”

    Huh? MacDonald is mostly known for his work on Jews. Race sometimes enters into his works and articles. But it is secondary to his work on Jews. He has offered no racial theory that I am aware of.

    There is so much more here that is just wrong, distorted or taken out of any reasonable context. The author simply does not understand his subject.

  89. DanFromCT says:

    James Hitchcock’s 1982 What Is Secular Humanism puts the blame as much on this sort of lukewarm Christian as on the secularizing humanists. “I know about your activities: how your are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were one or the other, but since you are neither hot nor cold, but only lukewarm, I will spit you out of my mouth.” (Rev 3:16) Maybe John was just making it up, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

  90. Bernie says:

    When EMJ walks down an innner city street, no black gang is ever going to say, “let’s rob and beat that Irish Catholic.”

    All non-whites see whites as white. No non-white knows or cares what religion EMJ is when they see him. They see a white man.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
    • Replies: @anonymous
  91. “Fair enough, but St. Augustin was not black. He was African in the sense that he was born in Algeria, but at that time it was basically white people living there. (He was Berber, Berbers are not Subsaharan blacks)”

    You might want to do some homework on the populations of Algeria and their intermingling of blood (add mixtures) so many of you are on about. There’s more than one drop of black blood roaming about in Algerians.

    But clearly, the lighter skinned Algerians would love to dismiss those realities . . . for obvious reasons.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  92. While Title VI does not cover discrimination based on religion, individuals who face discrimination on the basis of race, color, or national origin do not lose protection under Title VI for also being a member of a group that shares common religious practices. Discrimination against Jews may give rise to a Title VI violation when the discrimination is based on an individual’s race, color, or national origin.”

    Look at what they’re saying. They couldn’t be more explicit. Jews being discriminated against on basis of race, color, national origin. That’s what Jewishness is now.

    (i) the non-legally binding working definition of anti-Semitism adopted on May 26, 2016, by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), which states, “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities”; and

    (ii) the “Contemporary Examples of Anti-Semitism” identified by the IHRA, to the extent that any examples might be useful as evidence of discriminatory intent.

    So they’ve incorporated the IHRA guidelines.

    Guess what those are.

    Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.

    Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.

    Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.

    Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).

    Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.

    Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

    Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.

    Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.

    Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.

    Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

    Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

    LFMAO Just mull that over for a bit.

    That’s what you now have to not say as a condition of Federal funding – so everyone here is screwed if they want Federal funding.

    I’m hoping this is 4D chess because it’s so unconstitutional, and some Jewish judge is going to get scared at the overreach or a non-Jewish judge will cut it down.

    That’s why perceptions of power are important. If a judge perceives jeopardy from breaching the constitution they may hesitate to enforce a title VI breach under this executive order.

    White people have to create a perception of serious consequences for simply pretending the constitution doesn’t exist – and I think you are starting to do that.

    These working examples are hilarious. Only the first 1 is anti-semitism.

    There will be all kinds of administrative law contention over what those ‘non-legally binding’ IHRA guidelines mean in a document meant to be legally binding.

    Trump is playing a really interesting game.

    • Replies: @Dube
  93. Bernie says:
    @jack daniels

    “At bottom, Francis’ “failure” reflected the lack of money, skill, and access on the part of those who sympathized with his ideas, which is how all right-of-center movements fail in the post-WWII era.”

    Exactly. One man who wrote for outlets few have heard of and who was fired from his one moderately known outlet (Washington Times) is not to be faulted for not changing the world single-handedly.

    That being said, there have been at least three books written about Sam since he died and people are still writing about him almost 15 years after his death in the New York Times, National Journal, Atlantic and First Things. Rush Limbaugh read his 1996 Chronicles column on air in the wake of the Trump candidacy.

    It was indeed a version of the MARS strategy that won the presidency for Trump. Sam is the one that called this — 30 years (at least) before Trump.

    Like many great artists and philosophers, Sam Francis is more famous in death than he was in life.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  94. @jack daniels

    I was just commenting that the author, Jones, was right when he pointed out that Jews might not be white (and was subsequently attacked by Jared Taylor & Brimelow).

    So, after all, whichever his solutions- Jones, after all, was corroborated in his opinion by Jews themselves.

    • Agree: jack daniels
  95. Jake says:

    Your brother-in-law makes Jones’s point very loudly and clearly: your brother-in-law chose to change ethnicity; he chose to leave behind what defined him as Catholic and become a cultural WASP, of the ‘conservative’ religious form that you rightly label ‘Zionist.’

    Jones clouds the issue for a number of readers with this being about ethnicity. If he were to label it different cultures, which one can choose and discard, then he might be less misunderstood.

    Of course, a main point of his is that any Protestant culture always is, however unknowingly, on the side of the Jewish culture at least in the main and for the long term. And I think that Jones would agree with me that the most Judaizing Protestant culture is WASP. The USA is filled with ‘conservatives’ who would embrace Satan knowingly in order to have success defending WASP culture. Some are ignorant of the Judaizing heretical source of the culture; others (John Derbyshire is a prime example) just do not care. WASP is their culture by blood, they assume, and national rearing, and if WASP culture serves synagogue and Satan, then they will serve synagogue and Satan

    Your brother-in-law chose to assimilate himself fully to WASP culture in order to try to secure more mammon. He has free will; his Polish genes no more can stop his free will from such a choice than can his Catholic baptism and rearing.

    And yes, Vatican 2 sent the signal to Catholics to open their hearts and minds to the Modern world, which has meant that multitudes of people raised Catholic have found it easy as pie to assimilate to culture (‘ethnicity’ in Jones’ terms) that is anti-Catholic.

    • Agree: utu
  96. Jake says:

    Augustine was half Berber and half Roman. Culturally, he was 100% Roman, in the Hellenistic form.

  97. FvS says:
    @Viktor Templeton

    White means European caucasoid, a broad racial category that includes a variety of European caucasoid sub-races.

    White Nationalism is often misunderstood or misrepresented as nationalism for generic white people as opposed to specific white ethnic groups. But there is no such thing as a generic white person. In this world, all white people belong to specific ethnic groups. Even colonial melting-pot societies like the United States do not create generic white people, but new ethnic identities: Americans, Canadians, etc. White Nationalism means self-determination for all white peoples, not merely generic whites, just as saving the rhino means saving all the specific subspecies of rhinos, not some sort of generic rhino. – Greg Johnson, White Nationalist Manifesto

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  98. Exile says:
    @Viktor Templeton

    I think European ethnicity is much more important to the overall White identity movement than you seem to credit me for.

    Identity is strongest at the nuclear family level, then clan, then tribe/ethnicity, then race, in that order.

    Racial nationalism is the outward-most, loosest affinity that works.

    Religious universalism never does. Universalist religion has only worked when it has been sublimated to ethno-nationalism (e.g. medieval European Christianity and Arabic Islam).

    Trad purity spiraling alienates and rejects every other dissident group. In order to unite to fight our enemies, we have to reject the fanatics and make common cause with those willing to put their people’s practical needs ahead of magical thinking.

    Your approach is sadly typical of trad fanatics – “accept my woolly-headed metaphysical view of Absolute Truth to the last detail or you may as well be a Jew.”

  99. AaronB says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    This is incorrect. You seem to have no special animosity towards Jews and I believe you to be sincere, but I would advise you to research this more. Your summary on this is completely wrong on many levels, both historical and contemporary.

    You have explained before that you view European nationalism to be more strict on race and ethnicity than Judaism, and I think this is coloring your views here.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  100. Jake says:

    Your analysis would make perfect sense in both synagogue and mosque; it is perfectly in line with Semitic thought.

    • Replies: @Gast
  101. @utu

    To paraphrase Joe Sobran: Oh the insightful comments one could post if only utu hadn’t written them first.
    “This is Jones’ Veni, Vidi, Vici.” An encapsulation which hits the nail on the head.

  102. AaronB says:
    @jack daniels

    What it is fascinating about Jesus, is that he came explicitly to deny Logos in the Greek sense – he said his words would appear foolish to the Greeks, that the weak are better than the strong, that prostitutes, beggars, and disreputable folk are deserving of respect and sympathy, that one cannot be wealthy and powerful and perfect at the same time, that one should avoid fighting, and that one shouldn’t plan or think too much about getting food, housing, and clothing for the future.

    Basically, a complete refutation of worldly wisdom, the accepted hierarchies of civilization, and the building and planning function of civilization.

    Evidently, the Divine Logos that Jesus sought to bring to the world at many points overturns the human logos that EMJ seeks to enshrine.

    After all, Jesus was the prototype of the subversive Jew.

    • Agree: jack daniels
    • Replies: @Flint Clint
    , @jack daniels
  103. Exile says:
    @Viktor Templeton

    The fact that you didn’t just simply say “no” in response to the question of whether you’d accept a Black/Asian pope question puts the lie to anything you say about how Trad Christianity/Catholicism is compatible with race-realism or kin-first society.

    When it comes down to first things, your “God separated the nations for a reason” rhetoric goes out the window. I stand by my original comment – TradCath Supremacy is simply a competing form of usurping universalist sophistry that serves to hijack the interests of ethno-nationalists for the benefit of some self-appointed cabal of initiates.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  104. Dumbo says:

    “There’s more than one drop of black blood roaming about in Algerians.”

    Now, yes.

    But at that time, I am not so sure. Berbers in ancient times were described as redheaded. I don’t think they had mixed so much with Sub-Saharans yet (the same is, I think, true of Ancient Egyptians)

  105. @AaronB

    Not quite. Converts to Judaism had not acquired “Jewish soul”; most interpreters agree that those persons had already possessed “Jewish soul”- and had only re-discovered it.

    Simply, Judaism’s spiritual anthropology is different from Greek, Chinese, Christian, Hindu, Islamic, Zoroastrian…

  106. Gast [AKA "Gast (wieder)"] says:

    So what is wrong with my reasoning? This old lazy “argument”, that an attack on Christianity or even a sober analysis in non-referential language must be inspired by partisanship for the fellow Semitic creeds, is everything you have to offer? This stupidity is of course a perfect example of the slave (herd)-mentality of Christians. This Jesus guy (fictional or not) compared his followers very aptly with sheep (one of the rare insightful statements in the New Testament).

    • Replies: @Gast
  107. Dumbo says:

    There is no group that is, historically, less united than white people. White fought against whites (and killed other whites) for nationalistic reasons, religious reasons, ideological reasons, class reasons. Honestly, if someone manages to get all white people together under the same banner, it will be almost a miracle.

  108. @Viktor Templeton

    Jared has thrown his apron over his face and run screaming from the room.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  109. @AaronB

    It’s always hilarious when Jews start using the kike on a stick meme for the one they hate and fear the most out of all and everything. The same as the Pagan larpers and the Neo-Babelling babelists.

    Because Babel, Babylon, is the source of Pharasaical Rabbinism. So when Herr Spencer talks abouts ‘we should build Babel’ it’s on behalf of the Jews.

    Every comment you make is a creepily transparent attempt at multi-level subversion. Everything you say is also a false interpetation of what Jesus says. Just as one example on the so-called cult of the weak.

    In the parable of the talent Jesus said he who has will be given all, and he with little will have even that little which remains to him taken from him.

    Funnily enough, what you say actually speaks to the veracity and validity of Jesus Christ. His teachings are unorthodox in a timeless manner, the same now as they were then. That’s the point Chesterton makes.

    Logos just means order.

    Does it look like the West has been cut off from order?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Gast
  110. Gast [AKA "Gast (wieder)"] says:

    In my last comment I meant “non-reverential language” instead of “non-referential language”, of course.

  111. @Exile

    Materialist nationalists have to contend with the fact that they are buried in esoteric and occult semiotics and symbology. From the dollar to the national memorials to the 500 ft high Menorahs in every western capital.

    You can’t contend with the basic fact that pan-nationalist imperialism never, ever lasts. See the comment above. It’s never ever lasted, not ever, in any form, mode or partiality.

    The United States is yet another example.

    Catholicism is about both a true understanding of the nature of the world, but also about ending the mistakes of neo-Babel. It ‘is’ race realist. Because God preserves the nations. The nations are all meant to be kept apart from each other, but within the Church.

    That’s what Catholicism is.

    It was the secular states of Europe that despatched colonial offices. What did the Vatican send out? Missionaries.

    What did the missionaries do – introduce pagans to Christianity, who then built their own towers.

    When Europe was Christian it was European.

    Now that it’s post-Christian it’s full of mudpeople and shit-holes and homosexuals and trannies and Jews.

    The Race of a non-heretical pope is actually irrelevant, because it can’t change the fundamental teachings about the nations and their preservation, you understand?

    Whereas without that understanding you have polyglot tabula rasa man, totally interchangeable and Cuckservatives and everyone else who say ‘wE DoNt SeE RaCE’ whilst being obsessed with it.

    And you talk about kith and kin – how do you think you are going to propagate kith and kin without Christianity?

    If you want to find white people with women who aren’t filthy and cognitively impaired because their hormone profiles have been wrecked by the contraceptive pill so their bodies think they are pregnant and they are therefore more attracted to less masculine men etc etc, go to a trad Catholic or even a trad Anglican community.

    There is still nobility there.

    And you can’t escape the supernatural because it is part of man’s being and kind. The impulse has to be filled somehow – look around you, does the post-Christian impulse look like it’s working out for western civilization?

    Elites sacrificing children to ‘Molech’ per Wikileaks? You’re living in a world of Phoenecian Canaanite religion and freemasonry. Look it up. Those who call themselves Jews but who are not.

    God is in direct opposition to that, which is why it banished him from the public square and calls itself the ‘Hebrews’ and ‘Children of Israel’.

    You can really see the difference between people who lack basic Christian formation and those who don’t lack it.

    I’m not criticising you for it – ultimately the nations have to reformulate themselves regardless. But you have to have a religion and Christianity is the one that will save you.

    It’s the difference between white people sacrificing children like the Vikings did, and white people having 10 children who they bring up to be educated and discerning.

    Materialist nationalists have to get an understanding of religion or it’s like someone only using half the letters in the alphabet.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  112. AaronB says:
    @Flint Clint

    Right, religious Jews do not accept the level of subversion of natural order Jesus introduced, and recognize the utility in the right place and time, of everything Jesus denounced. Unlike Christianity, Judaism is not a dualistic religion.

    But Judaism has an honorable place for this kind of reminder that the worldly order can blind us to the ‘spirit’ of religion: the Prophetic tradition.

    Isiah actually says that God finds rituals and sacrifice abhorrent, and desires only kindness and mercy. This flatly contradicts Jewish practice, which is based on ritual as much as morality. But Jewish tradition understands this is hyperbole to make a point, and honors it and includes it in the holy books.

    Only, Jews would never dream of making a religion based on this one-sided attitude, as Jesus tried to do.

    Jesus derives from the Jewish Prophetic tradition, but takes it to an extreme and untethers it from its practical ground.

    The result is untenable, so ballast had to be provided by practical Greek philosophy. But this makes for a shaky edifice that is weak at the seams.

    And today, the Greek and Jewish Prophetic element have separated.

    Anyways, the Logos that EMJ has in mind is Greek practical philosophy, natural order. And while this kind of human logos or order is necessary, there is a higher divine order that is also necessary.

    Too much human logos is stifling; but one cannot live only on Divine Logos, which contradicts the human order (turn the other cheek? Don’t worry about clothing and shelter?)

    Both are needed. Like light and shadow.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  113. Gast [AKA "Gast (wieder)"] says:
    @Flint Clint

    I think it is largely a myth that jews hate Jesus and Christianity so much. I think their leadership realizes that it was a very useful slave religion for them, that fits with its humbling effect on its adherents live a glove to their supremacist ambitions. Yes, there are certain hateful passages in the Talmud but I think they are largely attacks by proxy. They attack Christianity and mean White people who at that time almost exclusively were Christians.

    Jews are more afraid of Pagans than Christians (I am not a Pagan btw.). The jews in Hollywood were eager to promote Christianity with movies like “The greatest story ever told” and stuff like this. Quite unthinkable, that they would promote the Ancient Germanic creed in a similar fashion.

  114. Matra says:
    @Bill P

    Of course you can be Catholic and American. The division between the descendants of (mostly) Anglo settlers and Ellis Island immigrants (not settlers) was ethnic and national with religion usually a proxy for that division. Note that ethnically Irish and German EMJ despite self-identifying as Catholic only also seems to have considerably more interest in Ireland and Germany than the US.

    • Replies: @Bill P
  115. “But at that time, I am not so sure. Berbers in ancient times were described as redheaded. I don’t think they had mixed so much with Sub-Saharans yet (the same is, I think, true of Ancient Egyptians)”

    But Algerians are not Berbers, they are a amalgamum of varying people and no small number of them dark skinned and even black. As i note, the power of European social polity would certainly grant advantages to the lighter skinned and such would certainly deny any linkages to blacks — based on that polity — access to power and goodies.

    That process has played out the world over – despite the fact that at the end of the day upon examination, the contention that white skin is by definition a brand of higher ethics, goodness of christian enlightenment is riddled by actual events.

    I have over extended my comments on the matter of color . . . I will stick to faith and practice issues.

    Speaking of which,

    “After all, Jesus was the prototype of the subversive Jew.”

    define subversive here to provide some context.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  116. Rebel0007 says:

    The hypothesis that human nature either tries to seek domination or escape domination is a non-sequitur. Most people just want to be able to freely live their lives.

  117. Hibernian says:

    If you’tr referring to the American Revolution, Catholic participation was limited to a few Marylanders, one of whom signed the Declaration, Lafayette, and at a strategic point in time, the French fleet.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  118. Hibernian says:

    If EMJ were born and raised in the Ireland of his parents/grandparents, speaking with their accent and with a sense of place I very much doubt he would feel this need to define his ethnicity by religion.

    As a 62.5% offspring of the Irish diaspora with one Irish born grandparent, I would replace “would” with “wouldn’t” in your statement. The 26 counties of the Irish Republic were very Catholic until recently.

    Jones rarely if ever speaks of anything or anyone Irish. Philadelphia is not Boston or New York. Rocky and Frank Rizzo notwithstanding, it’s not as ethnic. I’ve read that Jones is part German. Jones is a Welsh name. Jumping to conclusions doesn’t further the truth.

    • Replies: @Matra
  119. Hibernian says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Leprechaun Kraut

    Smile when you say that, Pardner.

    That phrase describes 85% of my elementary school graduating class.

  120. The term logos is not really

    order . . .

    the correct frame would be to bring order into being, reasoning, intelligent speak or speaking, even planning — but order might be the end of logos, but it is not logos

    excuse me, if it seems like quibbling.

  121. Catiline says:

    Though I disagree with him, Charles Pewitt and Banned Hipster’s comments are proof that Jones has a point.

    • Replies: @Catiline
  122. Catiline says:

    Add “Cowboy” to the list.

  123. Prez2020 says:

    Interesting article, I will have to read again. Mr. Jones ties in several elements, core to that, that White identity is not one’s soul’s final resting place.

  124. anonymous[222] • Disclaimer says:

    When EMJ walks down an innner city street, no black gang is ever going to say, “let’s rob and beat that Irish Catholic.”

    When Jews need a front man to push holocaust studies in major US universities, they will say, “that Irish Catholic man will suit our purposes well.”

    Ask Peter Hayes, Theodore Z. Weiss Professor of Holocaust Studies Professor in the Department of History Northwestern University.

    After mugging that Irish Catholic gent and taking him to Israel for immersion in holocaustianity, the Jew gang relocated to Notre Dame, where they picked off more Irish Catholics to do their dirty work.

    EMJ was walking the same dark allies as Hayes. To his credit, he was able to defend himself against Jew gangs that were targeting Irish Catholics.

  125. @AaronB

    I give Judaism it’s honoured place. The prophets were all real. I’m not a genuine anti-semite because genuine old testament Jews whilst being few are honourable men. And there is such a thing as a noble Jewish citizen exactly the same as there are noble Pagans.

    But the prophets culminated in Jesus Christ and he was rejected by them.

    I like the Jews who say that George Soros and Sheldon Adelson and degraded billionaires who attend the Zionist Galas would help Israel more if they stopped undermining western countries with Schvartzes and came to Israel and dug some potatoes.

    Well I agree with you – there is no such thing as ‘Judeo-Christianity’ and there is no ‘Judeo-Christ’.

    But you fundamentally misunderstand because the human order is merely a product of the recognition of the divine order. They are interdependent and each overlaps the other. You know how that works from kabbalah.

    We’ve talked about this in this very thread – if you have even the slightest deviation from the divine order, then you end up with Averroes, Al-Ghazali and Ockman all making a single mistake that led to the creation of entirely different secular material worlds. Yes?

    Think of that. A single difference in how different geniuses conceived of omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence led to 2 totally different Islamic societies and a Christian society that mimicked Islam.

    You know this.

    EMJ is a Catholic you dunce. He’s referring to the Catholic conception of the Logos, of course!

    You keep talking like a Jew, where good and evil are just neutral emnations that ‘balance’ each other.

    That’s why there is no conception of evil in Judaism. Evil isn’t evil, it’s just a neutral force that balances Good and we can pray to both Satan and God depending on who best achieves our ends which are a combination of Good and Evil, depending on perspective.

    Christianity relinqishes all that.

    Reading your comment history that Jewish understanding of morality is everywhere.

    Just try and see things from these men’s perspective okay? It is Manichean.

    Both ‘aren’t needed. It is a tragedy that there was a fall. It was not needed.

  126. @EliteCommInc.

    Yes Jews fear Paganism because nature rejects their conception of themselves as Marginalia and co-dependents within societies.

    But I’ll give you an example of why Jews fear Christianity more.

    Look at the book Ben Shapiro wrote about western civilization.

    Here is what cuckboy pixie chickenhawk Shapiro has to say in his subversion of western civlization:

    But that’s not what Western civilization is about at all. Western civilization was built on Judeo-Christian values and Greek reason, culminating in a perspective on natural rights that is preserved by institutions like English jurisprudence. It is thanks to those philosophical principles that free markets, free speech and free association have grown and flourished. Only if we re-enshrine those principles, rather than undermine them, will our prosperity and freedoms be preserved.”

    That’s subversion.

    He’s trying to define out of existence both the European peoples, and Christianity, turn it into some nonexistent Judeo-Christianity but note how he includes what is actually Greek paganism.

    Why would he do that?

    Because Jews understand that Paganism is an undeveloped iteration of the religious impulse. They know it because they defined themselves against is as monotheists aloof from & superior to it for centuries.

    They can’t define themselves against Jesus Christ because he ends them.

    Materialist Nationalists have the same problem as Materialist Internationalists. You can’t conceive of genuine religious belief and how it shapes materialist outcomes.

    For the alt-right to grow up and understand the problems it is facing it has to incorporate religion, and do it properly.

    Otherwise, I’m very sorry, but Jews who are incredibly adept in religion are simply going to evade you and isolate you.

    And Muslims who genuinely believe will conquer you – because you can’t bring materialism to a religious gunfight.

  127. You guys don’t get it.

    You’re in a spiritual battle as much as material one.

    Put on the Armour of God. Be the Doomslayer. And start to see the Father of Lies. Those heathen hordes of aliens coming to destroy the West and already inside the gates are his children.

    There is an entire generation of young white guys who know something was taken from them. And they’re trying to find it everywhere, and being deliberately wormtongued and guided by the Judas Goats into traps and pitfalls and false fronts. Shapiru, Peterson, Southern Baptists, Pagan Larping, everything.

    Give them what they crave which is authentic western Catholicism.

    Final boss is the biggest one of all
    No one is going to fight for diminishing material resources until it’s too late. They will fight for the good, the beautiful and the true. That’s what the Alphabet Bois and all the Orcish hordes are going to find out.

    Aaron and the other Globalists are shitting their pants at Christian nationalism. And all western emnations which are part of the circule but may not circumnavigate it’s circumference entirely are welcome. Just support the Cross.

    It’s a-coming mudslimerinos and Alphabet Bois and nasty evil Goblin Banking Wizard Bois. It won’t matter how many homo communists you say is da Pope.

    • Replies: @Anon
  128. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Viktor Templeton


    The despised “browns” know it at once. They can only be “Latino” if they buy into American political categories. But not even poor unschooled immigrants do. They know they are Argentinians (except the doubly pretentious jewish ones), Mexicans, Venezueleans or Salvadoreans. They all know Cubans are the most jewish ones 😀. No such thing as Latino values either, and only Unz’ word corrector would capitalize it. Latino should always be an adjective, never a noun. In Latin America, in their home countries, you will never even hear them using the adjective. Though they are mainly Catholic, through God’s Providence.

  129. anaccount says:

    I couldn’t agree more.

    Let me also add that ‘Patriot Prayer’ gets the Charlottsville treatment every time they try to demonstrate in Portland, OR. This isn’t an identitarian or racist group to my knowledge and yet the treatment is virtually identical.

  130. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Flint Clint


    Doom?!? How old are you? If a Catholic, you should know the ABCs of spiritual warfare. There’s a reason catholic meditations stress the joy and suffering in the life of Christ and Mary Most Holy.

  131. Cowboy says:

    Correct. The Presbyterian rebellion was based on Protestant natural law principles. As can be seen by the constantinaian romanists soiling this thread there really is no coherence between the Protestant principle of individual liberty and romanist hegemony.
    When you allow collectivists to slither in you know troubles ahead.

    • Replies: @Bill P
  132. Haha.

    I’m old enough that I shouldn’t be up so late on a school night. And I wasn’t born before Westwood got taken by the EA Jew.

    Come on goyim. I’m only a Mischling.

    You’re so slow, so incredibly bereft of perception.

    I’m trying to help you.

    Look at the memes – they’re all from video-games.

    Now do you old slow cucks understand why Gamergate gets dozens of references in the Jew York Times? Imagine if instead of these videos all of them were of a trannie dilating. There wouldn’t be any western sigils left. They’re destroying all the statues, and hiding all the paintings and we’re left with nothing.

    Because you need a conduit to the divine. The average man can’t self generate beauty if they’re surrounded by dross ugliness unless they are in a state of grace.

    That’s why Protestants and their sterile hospital ward barns pretending to be churches are inferior to a Catholic cathedral. Men need the statues of the Saints in their glory and the Angels watching our pathetic sordid affairs to lift the mind. That’s why Jews don’t go into a Church. It reminds them of the failed covenant.

    That’s why I want immigrants the hecken out as well. All the ugliness and filth is depressing.

    That’s what was at stake – who knew saving Red Alert might save the Catholic faith might save human kind from being all slaughtered like sheep by Jesus Christ.


    Even the Jews at Disney understand you better then you understand yourselves.

    Listen to the noble Gypsy talking about Claude Frollo and calling him a baby killer. The real Frollo was no such thing. He raised Quasimodo as his own son, voluntarily.

    But he feared for his immortal soul.

    See how the Jews call him a monster? They think God is a monster. He imposes on them rules and constrictions that they feel like irons, so they chafe and they destroy and they reinvent themselves as their own Messiah. Kabbalah is about smashing the spheres of the universe and remaking them.

    Can you feel the impulse emanating from me? You should. The energy of the world weavers. And I’m nothing.

    We are sheep compared to the divine. That’s our relative status. Jews just believe they are wolves, but they aren’t, they’re sheep, wearing wolves clothing.

    But some say the soul’s of the city the tolls of the bells, the bells, of Notre Dame.

    You know, they took the Apostle’s statues off Notre Dame and they cut the heads off don’t you? Before they burned it? And it wasn’t the Muslims. They burned the soul of France, which was the centre and soul of Europe.

    It was those who want you worthless goyim in Sheol. And it’s hard, because I understand that view. You’re so unbearably slow and vulgar sometimes. But you’re noble.

    But you never can run from nor hide what you’ve done from the eyes, the very eyes, of Notre Dame.


    It doesn’t matter how old I am. What matters is if I’m right. And I am. I’m young enough I shouldn’t be able to school everyone.

    If you don’t find your religion again, you stand no chance against the subtlest religion ever conceived and the raw savage power of Islam. You will be King Canute. Only God can stop the tides.

    Bring the Ravenclaw Jews in. They can’t be Slytherin – they aren’t Israeli’s with a right of return. They aren’t now International residents per Trump. They aren’t fully European or whatever – they can help you.

  133. Bill P says:

    A lot of the religious divisions break down as you proceed west from the original colonies. Strangely enough, a lot of Anglos in the West assimilated to whatever church happened to be there when they arrived. Today there are lots and lots of Anglo Catholics in Spokane because the Jesuits set up a mission there a couple hundred years ago.

    My Irish Catholic great grandmother was a settler herself, immigrating directly to the Sierras via Panama then San Francisco. I can only assume that her American husband, surrounded by thousands of Irish miners and living in what had recently been a Spanish colony, became Catholic because it was the social norm. I consider myself lucky that he was in Nevada rather than Utah, because some of my relatives ended up there and became Mormon.

    BTW, The difference between Catholic Irish and English people is exaggerated IMO. The “Irish” customs handed down in my family are pretty similar to the English ones. The Scots are culturally more distinct from both English and Irish than they are from each other.

    As for Jones’ apparent allegiance to Germany and Ireland and animus toward old stock Americans, I think that impression comes about because Jones’ real contention is philosophical and he prefers German idealism to Anglo materialism, but his readers aren’t always privy to that.

    However, while it’s true that materialism has long been dominant in the US (especially at Harvard), the most distinctly American philosophy – pragmatism – has strongly idealist roots, yet I don’t know whether Jones has ever so much as mentioned its founder — CS Peirce. Peirce described himself as even more radically realist than Duns Scotus, and considered himself an avowed enemy of nominalism. He was also even more of a Trinitarian than Hegel.

    • Replies: @Anon
  134. Don’t anyone forget the driving force behind world Zionist Jews is the creation of their notion of greater Israel. Nothing else matters, certainly not loss of life, and the perks such as stolen: oil, antiquities, body parts, and foreign aid money, then whatever else gathered along the way that can bring a profit, is just gravy.

  135. This comment thread pretty amply demonstrates how worthless White Trashionalists are and will always be at combating the Jewish takeover of the world.

    • Agree: TimeTraveller
    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  136. Bill P says:

    Some of my Scots-Irish ancestors were Covenanters, but as soon as they got their own country (the USA) they soon lost their zeal and reverted to Anglicanism.

    I admire the Presbyterian stance against slavery, but then again it was a bit self-serving because so many of them were enslaved and sent to the Caribbean plantations (ironically often alongside Irish Catholics).

    Since you mention it, I wonder whether the emphasis on individual liberty is what compelled Presbyterian Church USA to embrace the sexual revolution with such fervor. It certainly seems strange to me that a church founded by Scottish zealots has become so queer. The Scots in my family really aren’t libertine sissy types. Even the women are hard-assed.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  137. Cowboy says:
    @Bill P

    That’s the point about individual liberty Bill people can choose any non coercive lifestyle ( and please no collectivist arguments about the common good) even if you don’t agree with them.
    Romanists preaching to Protestants after centuries of priestly predation covered up and ignored is really too much especially from those calling for the return of a constintinaian order which is completely delusional.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  138. utu says:

    Race based identitarianism belongs to ideologies that objectify humans where humans are just biological machines that respond to external and internal physical forces that are functions of their design parameters. So racial identarianism will be associated with racialism, HBDism, IQism and also with libertarianism which all are simplistic reductionist know-it-all ideologies which do not leave room for the unknown of the deeper mystery of what it means to be human. There are no higher dimensions or transcendence. Young people, usually men, exposed to these ideologies will undergo some psychological devastation that will render them ‘subhuman’ just like the ideologies they subscribe and preach. Some grow out of it but some will remain trapped for life. All these ideologies are perfect for the PTB for which ‘animals’ are more manageable than humans. People subscribing to these ideologies are unable to formulate a compelling moral argument which suits the PTB. Abandoning morality and replacing it with simple legalism amounts to unilateral disarmament by population because ultimately it is who whom question. Look at the output of Steve Sailer. At best all he can muster is irony and sarcasm because in the homo homini lupus est world that he describes and lives in the moral arguments do not exist.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  139. Huxley says:

    It seems a bit popular to state emphatically that the white race built Europe. Almost right. The Catholic white race built Europe. So many churches, in town after town in Europe, placed right smack in the middle of town, around which all the culture revolved, were Catholic churches. Not to mention all the cathedrals and monasteries. Art, architecture, and music all flowed from the Catholic faith. The Latin Mass. Michelangelo, Caravaggio, da Vinci, Bernini, and Mozart had the Catholic blood to make their mark. To name a few.

    So Jones is almost there. Yes, God is Catholic. Yes, Jesus Christ was, and is, the first Catholic priest. (The Last Supper being the first Catholic Mass.) So Catholics must lead the renewal, and white Catholics must lead the way. All other races must also participate. A way forward to make everyone happy. White men must lead. Catholic white men must lead first. They always have. ” I can do all things in Christ, who strengthens me.’ Philippians 4:13.

    Incredulously, more blacks than whites were married with families in 1910. The black race was still infused with the last gasp of that ol’ tyme Catholic ambience, wafting through the culture before the calamity of WWI, a war from which we have never recovered. To this day, we are bereft of the strong, masculine men slaughtered at La Somme, where wave after wave of civilization’s finest men were sent to an early grave.

    More than a million casualties, in that field of Satanic fury in northern France from July 1 to November 18, 1916, where wholesome, brave men were forever lost to the ranks of our strength now, in 2019. We’ve been exhausted ever since. Unable to fight ever since. We really are shadows of the men who came before us, now worshiping God, kinda, sorta, in shorts, sandals, a T-shirts, with Jewish, masonic Vatican II mass, similarly just a shadow of the ol’ tyme Catholic Latin Mass. Satan destroyed it all, by playing to the European’s basest instincts and will to power.

    So many young Catholics slaughtered with their strong Catholic blood staining hectares of green grass. A hellish “brother’s war,” destroying our will to fight for the Faith.

    Trannys taking showers with your 9 year old son, Homosexuals preying on youth, the slaughter of abortion, and feral, fatherless blacks destroying everything in their path, are all just the inevitable result of an exhausted Catholic faith.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
    • Replies: @attilathehen
  140. Jake says:
    @Flint Clint

    Richard Spencer sounds exactly like an arch-WASP Imperialist. He thinks his version of WASPs should rule the world.

    He refuses to see that WASP culture is from its origin Judaizing. He simply wants an Anglo-Zionist Empire in which blacks get no freebies, no Numinous Negro status (which was granted to blacks by Yank WASP Elites) and in which Jews seem to be in the background even if they are the primary bankers.

    That ship has sailed. WASP culture is what we see. Jews are the main partners, senior partners, in the Anglo-Zionist Empire, and both Jews and WASP Elites demand that Negroes be accorded Numinous status.

    WASPs in England began by acting against the best interests of the vast majority of natives of the British Isles, including by allying with Jews to get Jewish money. WASP culture has never changed from that.

    • Agree: Dannyboy
  141. Franz says:

    What about millions of white souls butchered by White Catholics?

    Maybe monotheism and Europeans are a bad fit?

    Keep in mind: Both monotheism and communism derive from the same part of the world. Not Europe.

    • Thanks: montechristoff
    • Replies: @montechristoff
  142. @Flint Clint

    “The Race of a non-heretical pope is actually irrelevant, because it can’t change the fundamental teachings about the nations and their preservation, you understand?” The RCC is the biggest human trafficking institution in the world. Pope Frannie loves the migration invasion of Europe.

    I left the RCC because I won’t OSCULUM INFAME black/Asian priests-popes. The RCC has collapsed because of diversity.

    Evil pope Frannie is changing RCC doctrine. Amoris Laetitia was just the beginning. Frannie has appointed enough of his cardinals so that they are the majority in the College of Cardinals and they will have the power to change the Magisterium. Gay marriage and female priests will be next.

    His promotion of synodality has enabled the German bishops to criticize and change the RCC’s beliefs on divorce and homosexuality. Each bishop will be his own pope in his area.

    The Orthodox Church with its racial/ethnic churches will the church of the West.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @Flint Clint
  143. E. Michael Jones is UFO/bigfoot levels of weirdness.

    It’s disheartening that a nut like this is taken seriously by people whose hearts are more or less in the right place.

  144. @Huxley

    Caucasian males can no longer lead the RCC. They are the minority. The next pope will be black or Asian.

    The communion wafer does not work for blacks or Asians. Compare the Philippines, Catholic with an average IQ of 84, to Japan, Shinto/Buddhist with an average IQ of 100. Which country is better?

    Compare Catholic Mexico to WASP America. Which country is better?

    Black “Christians” in Africa still practice cannibalism.

    Caucasians are converting to the Orthodox Churches. This brain drain will cause the RCC to shrink even more. Blacks/Asians don’t have the IQ necessary to run the RCC.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Huxley
  145. @utu

    My religion is eugenics, or maybe better said ‘religious eugenics.’ Even though I agree with standard atheistic critiques, the “God” concept remains very attractive so I want to save some room for it.

    This will never gain a mass following, since most people can’t get past eugenics’ tainted associations with “genocide” or forced euthanasia, even though it requires neither. But for those who are able to contemplate it without losing their marbles, the hope of an ever more intelligent, ever more cultured, ever more physically attractive humanity is highly inspiring – a most beautiful dream.

    I’m definitely bummed that the distant future may not contain anyone racially like myself in it, but the hope for ongoing eugenic betterment remains motivating nonetheless.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @utu
  146. @attilathehen

    The Orthodox Church with its racial/ethnic churches will the church of the West.

    They are not ethno-racial for any theological reason, only out of historical happenstance.

    Theologically, racial loyalty is condemned as the sin of ‘phyletism.’

    Christianity, though it has inspired much beauty, was always a reality-denying kook religion, and it will probably forever remain a reality-denying kook religion.

  147. OK EMJ is nuts vs race but I love him anyway because he gets The Jews war on whites and the Anglo Protestant upper class collusion with it. Read his books – Slaughter of the Cities or Barren Metal – if you want to find out how Anglo Jewry destroyed Catholic Power back when we might have had a real WHITE multi ethnic state with a middle way economy instead of the Anglo Jewish market driven multi racial trough we have now

    But my take away from THIS particular Jones essay is “their religious identity acted as a protective shield”. Whenever 3 white guys get together, one is an FBI agent but what if we start meeting in Churches? I am a non believer in any sort of standard Christianity but I wonder if I couldn’t find a traditional Catholicism with its implicit whiteness congenial with my metaphysics. Maybe it is time for a new Counter Reformation? How crazy is that idea?

  148. @attilathehen

    It’s beautiful.

    On a recent afternoon, I visited the general store, where polite teens played bluegrass music beside rows of dried goods. Women in long, modest skirts loaded vans that had enough seats to accommodate eight or nine kids—unlike most American Catholics, SSPX members abide by the Vatican’s prohibition on birth control. At housewarming parties and potluck dinners, children huddle around pianos for sing-alongs.

    And they’ve said openly in line with catechism 2241 no fag Mason Pope can change or even fag Mason Synod can change they will preserve their phenotype.

    And the schools are bursting with white children and the Priests guard their sanctity at all times.

    It’s a beautiful thing.

    And in times to come the men without families will be like the Rangers of the Dunedain, patrolling and warding.

    This is what EMJ means. They can filter our everyone who isn’t a Latin Mass Catholic to start with. Latin Mass requires high IQ so thats most non whites. Then they can filter on race in accord with the catechism.

    Our job is to guard them from the inevitable accusations of schism and other jewry and Masonic infiltration.

    Like forced racial integration or prohibition on home schooling etc. But the nucleus is there.

    Religion is a powerful shield. If the wolves come for religion they have to come for themselves.

    This is why E Michael Jones is smarter then the pure race guys.

    Look at it.

    Where else apart from the Amish do you see beautiful white families that large? The only way to get these people is to literally dispense with the entire semblance of rule of law and go to arms. And anyone that does that in Kansas will need a lot of arms.

    Rod Dreher is a cuck. But these communities offer hope. They’re like the Kibbutzim movement.

    Imagine being a white person who says we can’t be Catholic because look at what a black pope might do. Who cares! The Canon law can minimise the influence of any Bishop who would have to initiate a schism to kill these communities.

    Jews should support this. Do those quiet people really look like they’re going to do anything to Jews? Of course not. Just leave them be. All whites want is to be left alone.

    They’ll support Israel and let Jews rule all the other races. Just leave them be.

    • Replies: @Jake

    Fr. Celier: Yes, but I think that it is necessary to go even further, onto ground upon which most politicians dare not venture too often, yet which has its importance. A nation is not an aggregate of anonymous individuals, standardized and interchangeable with other men of any other nation. A nation possesses an ethnic and cultural identity which is its good, its property, and which it has the right (and even the duty) to protect and maintain. France, for example, is a white nation–or rather, let’s say, to be politically correct, “Caucasian.” In France there are citizens of African and Asiatic origin, and they are quite legitimate. But France is not a black nation, nor yellow, no more than Senegal is a white country, or Japan a black country: even though in Senegal as in Japan, there are white, yellow, and black citizens. It is normal for France to want to preserve its ethnic identity. To do that, it possesses an incontestable right to privilege Caucasian immigration, principally European, and to restrict black or yellow immigration.”

    Now watch my pure blood jewish friends come after these people with all of their malice and evil. They will put enormous pressure on Pope Francine to excommunicate and deplatform. It won’t matter.

    Do they really think black people are going to treat them better then these people? The MS13 animals?

    All you thulean occult retards and Pagan Larpers and Neo Babelists are totally irrelevant. Richard Spencer is irrelevant.

    Ave Christus Rex. All you should be doing is promoting the sustainment of SSPX and protecting them from the Orcs and the Nazgul who are going to go into a seething frenzy. They already have some protection they need more.

    That’s the future.

    Rifles should be protecting them. And online people should be protecting them.

    Neo Israel in the United States for White people.

    Watch them come after these communities with everything they have. They’d like to see them turned into Waco. They want those white children strewn in pools of flame. They’ll use the levers of government and everything they have. But it won’t matter.

    They’ll try and it a cult. They’ll try and prevent home schooling. They’ll call it racist. It won’t matter.

    This is the institutional leadership you don’t have due to the Mason and Jewish gatekeepers.

    Anyway enough.

    I don’t even care about this stuff. I’m just a guy with no fatherland who wanted to play computer games until faggots and trannies stopped me from being able to do that.

    If Jews want to include Mischlings that would be nice. Otherwise we will help the people who gave us a nice life and a nice country.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  150. @Viktor Templeton

    Thulean faggots will form an alliance with Muslims against Christians

    Implying I wasn’t a muslim already.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  151. “That’s subversion.

    He’s trying to define out of existence both the European peoples, and Christianity, turn it into some nonexistent Judeo-Christianity but note how he includes what is actually Greek paganism.”

    I understand, i think. I thought you making a case that Jesus was subversive and I thought, that would need some nuanced commentary. You are saying other are subverting the meaning christianity

    such as Mr. Shapiro

    Understood. I agree that based on what i have read by Mr. Shapiro, he doesn’t understand christian faith and practice.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  152. I’m sorry again for the bad language.

    It’s just purely reactionary.

    No problems with anyone. Apologies. I just like testing ideas with a bit of vivacity.

    It’s just weird seeing people talk about western civ as if thousands of years never existed between Bethlehem and Berlin.

    I’ll stop jamming up Unz’s boards.

  153. @EliteCommInc.

    Yes that is what I am saying.

    Shapiru wrote an entire book that reduced western civilization, of Charles Martel, Charlemagne, the Italian city states under the Popes, ‘Rome’ to Jews and Greeks.

    How ridiculous is it, when you think about it, to literally severe from the West, Rome, Christianity, and the European peoples?

    We should write a book about how the neo-Palestinians consist of Tao principles and Druse and the Chinese are really the chosen people.

    He is a little seething mass of hatred and jealousy for Aryans and for the West.

    The Jews know the prophecy of Pseudo – Methodius. One of the Church fathers.

    What he said is pretty interesting. He said:

    Christians would fall into depravity – homosexuality, cross-dressing, transgenderism, wife swapping and open relationships.
    Then the ‘Sons of Ishmael’ would emerge from the deserts of Ephritus – the Muslims, who would punish Christians for their depravity by wreaking rape and murder
    Then, a new Roman emperor will arise, who will save Christians from the Son’s of Ishmael then
    Place his crown upon the Cross.
    Then Jesus will come, and seek his revenge on the Jews… (Just kidding, it will just be the final Judgement – but it’s ridiculous how much they quail from Christ likes he’s garlic to a vampy).

    Gee, does that sound feasible?

    That would be the apocalypse.

    The more I look into the more this abject hatred of Rome surfaces. They hated the Hellenistic Philistines. They hated the Egyptians who they flooded with Africans, and that’s why the Egyptians removed them. It’s probably Jews who came up with the we waz Kangz meme. They hated Rome. They hate Europeans.

    Pseudo-Methodious wrote in the backdrop of war between Rome and the Sassanid Persian empire, and there are Jewish writings they celebrate apparently causing that war.

    Why wouldn’t the United States attack Iran?

    After all, Shapiro and others love the US so much. It would be nothing like the war against the Sassanids that weakened Rome so much the Muslims literally took all of Christian North-Africa and Syria and the Middle-East and Gulf and it was never restored.

    The story of Jared Kushner and his children and Ivanka is very interesting.

    But if the world has to burn because of these people then use Roman symbolism and paraphernalia and ideas as much as possible.

    Roma Victa

    As for SSPX, they will be in jeopardy.

    I fully expect they will get the Bella Dodd treatment. Individuals will turn up who will act as sleeper cells. They will be working for Masons or the bad Slytherin. They will cause some kind of horrific scandal that will discredit SSPX as an organisation.

    If this sounds far fetched – again, you don’t have Christian formation. Thousands upon thousands of non-Catholic Priests put through the seminaries after Fulton Sheen passed away and the American church lost his protection. He held back the tides almost single handedly. But even then, it was Roy Cohn Trump’s mentor who electrocuted the Rosenbergs.

    But they’ll know all that.

    Lol but anyone who ever says anything bad about Catholics on the Right should come back when they have communities of massive white families led by strong Priests who espouse the most basic Catholic doctrine of the right of the western nations to exist. Put some second amendment patriots around them and men who understand espionage and you have something real.

    Not this endless swirl of feckless nothings about Hitler and Thules and Thetans. Hitler did do a lot wrong, forget the Holocaust, he was a feckless commander who got the entire Sixth Army destroyed.

    That’s what I don’t understand.

    I love Israel. But I love the West.

    Why can’t they do the same? Why does it have to be one at the expense of the other? It only makes sense in light of these deeply held historical antagonisms.

    United Nations means Universal Noahide. Sustainable Development means Androgny. That was via Catholic identification.

    Catholics are the only group now who have some kind of understanding of history that isn’t Disney history.

    As I said – anyone who approaches life without a religious formation can’t see half, or maybe even more, of reality, yes?

    Anyway I’m probably in huge trouble. But I just want Israel to thrive but the West to also thrive – what is wrong with that?

    And the Anglicans are even more innocent. Look at how they sing. But they’ll fall to Slaanesh soon.

    What Jew could want to see this eliminated from the world? I don’t understand.

    I don’t know what Trump is doing. He is a master of ambiguity. Like Roy Cohn.

    Anyone on the Right who criticises E M Jones and Catholics based on the information that has been provided to them is a fool.

    In the end, you will all have to come home. Because this is the only way to fight an enemy that can destroy all the Kings of Man, but cannot stand against Christ the King.

    Take it from someone who has studied both Kabbalah and traditional Catholicism – Christianity is the living pulse of the West. As it dies, you die. As it strengthens, you strengthen. That is where you will find your children again, and your nations.

  154. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:

    @“the hope of an ever more intelligent, ever more cultured, ever more physically attractive humanity is highly inspiring – a most beautiful dream.“

    Transhumanism is your neo-marxism of choice then. Devil’s in the details, tho.

    Another anti-human utopia to add to the heap of: abolish private property, abolish the family, abolish gender.

  155. Jake says:
    @Flint Clint

    Here is the untrue part of what you wrote: “Latin Mass requires high IQ so thats most non whites.”

    Traditional Latin Mass is a feast for the senses, which means it does not require a high IQ to appreciate. It doesn’t even require minimal literacy. It is liturgical art, on a Shakespearian level.

    But the end result is the same as you assert. Dumbing down always leads masses of people to become dumber and lazier and more worthless. Traditional Latin Mass is the antithesis of dumbed down church.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
    , @anarchyst
  156. @FvS

    So would Rod Dreher, evidently! But this only shows that Jones has overstated things. Tribal or national identity is a compound, not a single element, and it evolves over time. Renan got it right in “What is a Nation?” (online pdf.)

  157. @Cowboy

    You can embrace the right to practice non-coercive but unwise or harmful behavior without being enthusiastic about the behavior itself. And it’s not coercive for a private organization to set standards for members or officials.
    I suspect the Presbyterian church of today is not very Scottish.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  158. @Jake


    And in the current state of the hypergamist sexual market, and given that most smelly pagan larpers and Nazi larpers are ugly fags and groids, how do they think they’re going to produce children?

    They aren’t. They won’t. Imagine going up to some pretty girl and saying you’re a Thulean. Unless you look like some Luftwaffe Ace it isn’t going to go well for you.

    No women on the pill are going to go near them.

    I was thinking about this a bit more.

    Catholicism really actually is the only way that the West is going to have enough manpower to survive in the future. Because all other Christian sects allow use of the contraceptive pill and contraception generally.

    Feminism is real. Women are not going to give up the right to contraception and sexual dominance unless they feel spiritually injuncted to the natural order.

    That alone should be decisive. Traditional Catholicism is the only authentically western community where women are not on the pill, and are willing to have children.

    Every other tatooed coalburner who isn’t Catholic can’t produce Ocycontin anymore because of the pill and the amount of dick they’ve had, and they don’t want children because climate change.

    Look at the SSPX communtities. Young beautiful mothers with 10 children and fathers who are able to provide for their upkeep.

    It’s incredible no one in the Right wing communities seem to have thought about these things. Too caught up on race. No understanding of the sociology of their predicament.

    If there were enough of those SSPX communities you wouldn’t even have to worry about the illegals. You’d be able to actually outbreed the illegal parasites.

    This is why the Virgin Pagan/Nazi Larper fears the Chad Catholic. To put it ironically.

    Damn you, I want to see white people again.

    This is the only way you can defeat the pill

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  159. “How ridiculous is it, when you think about it, to literally severe from the West, Rome, Christianity, and the European peoples?”

    i am going to tread lightly here. Clearly, christianity had an impact on European life . . . the fact that the Catholic congregation and its resulting various break off congregations were more than power players and brokers on all things European – no doubt. And I think Mr. Shapiro acknowledges as much.

    The break that I have with the understanding of Judeo-Christian ethos is to the general links which are largely that of law and order — ethics and the role that christian belief played in laying that groundwork – substantial.

    However, and not to be offensive in any manner — the faith and practice of Christ is one that is first and foremost about spiritual meaning. Restoring people to a “proper” relationship to God, through Christ and embodied holy spirit. And in that work, the mundane has little or no value —-

    Christ is the savior for all who would embrace him — seek him out and come to know him regardless of national, cultural ethos, economic standing, family status history or color. It is there that I have to disagree with the socio-political views of Mr. Shapiro.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  160. “The RCC has collapsed because of diversity.”


    The Catholic Church has faltered per the desire to include more people, and Europe that would be largely whites, into their faith and practice. And nothing has had a more devastating impact on that than the aftermath of Two major wars that spanned all of Europe and beyond that left in their wake massive famines and economic depressions.

    That is the consequence of an ethos too vested in institutions as opposed to the central core values of a relationship with Christ himself.

    While the introduction of eastern philosophy has had an impact on the meaning of the spiritual, to the detriment in my view. Nothing has been as devastating as the toll of nearly total war with barely ten years span of peace, a peace that was swallowed in economic depression and diasterous famines.

  161. anarchyst says:

    In true (pre-Vatican II) Catholic tradition, the Church never disavowed nationalities or the rights of indigenous populations to create, nurture and defend their own societies, institutions, and countries, and yes, even congregations.

    Catholic “universality” was all about “faith”-nothing more. “Rendering to Caesar what is Caesar’s” was the rule. The Catholic Church DID avoid interfering in political systems and the “social order of the day”-even when slavery was legal.

    It is the poison of multiculturalism and diversity that has been spread by jews and protestants and has taken hold in our society over the last seventy years or so that is the true threat.

    The Vatican II Ecumenical Council was instrumental in harming true traditional Catholicism, as it was infiltrated by jews and protestants who had their own agendas-none of which were beneficial to the Church. It was a carefully planned takeover in order to jewify and protestantize the Catholic Church.

    The whole notion of “judeo-Christian” roots is another bastardization of Catholic teachings. The emnity between Catholicism and judaism was destroyed with the errors of Vatican II-calling jews “our elder brothers”.

    This is where atillathehen runs off the rails:

    There ARE a few Catholic congregations that are of one race, and that covertly promote their racial and social solidarity, mainly among the SSPX communities. Covertness is needed in order to avoid infiltration.

    I agree with attilathehen that almost every “novus ordo” (pro-Vatican II) Catholic congregation does not subscribe to the promotion and encouragement of racial solidarity but there are those congregations that do so.

  162. anarchyst says:

    The “Traditional Latin Mass” made it possible for a Catholic anywhere in the world to understand the Mass.
    The prohibition on the celebration of this Mass did much to destroy its “universality”.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  163. anaccount says:

    I wish these Catholics the best of luck. We need multiple options for people that have or will awaken from their Jew brainwashing and one size is not going to fit all. Some people really need a faith, I get that. I also don’t want whites to put all of their eggs in one basket.

    I just hope that we remember who the real enemy is and keep that in mind when disagreements arise.

  164. @EliteCommInc.

    Don’t feel the need to be civil or tread lightly.

    Jews are like the Sopranos, not the bronze waifs in the Prince of Egypt.

    Shapiro is trying to write you and your blood and your everything else out of existence.

    This is what I mean about dearths of perception. I’m not being belittling, it’s totally understandable because westerners are very nice unassuming and accommodating people.

    But that book is a genocide of you, you must understand that. It really matters. ‘m not being exaggerating. He’s literally doing what Beria did in the Soviet Union and removing you from history.

    It’s hard to explain the mindset. You can’t really get it unless you read their stuff and hang about with them.

    Don’t worry at all about ‘Judeo-Christian’ in any shape or form. It doesn’t ezxist. Shapiro is talking out of his ass.

    I’ve already explained how Jews don’t even believe in evil. You don’t have to be polite. There will be enough legally mandated Jewish ass-kissing to come in real life.

    What I’ve done here is tried to demonstrate to the dissident right that they don’t have to reinvent the wheel. They can in fact nurture a Kibbutzim type community full of exploding white populations who are aware of the JQ and that interlay that with constitutional American posterity nationalism.

    Just do what you have to vis a vis Israel and grow your population back. Doing it this way you can control the formation – and that will mean the AIPAC lobby loses influence because they have to deal with kids who received formation like their own children in the Chabad schools.

    Instead of kvetching about everything why not use your brains and channel resources to these white Zionists?

    Why not build back-channels to international white populations trying to escape their noahide law societies with exploding Muslim populations? Provide them with material support from the United States. Do what the Jews do in the US bringing in the people of the mud. Bring these people in but only on the condition of conversion and assimilation etc etc.

    White Zionism is a valid thing yes?

    If the government stops you from doing it, well that’s the government but at least something was tried. And how can they and still pretend to be neutral on race?

    This is why it’s so important to get just one institution. Just one. Like the Vatican could do this if it had a Catholic as the Pope.

    • Agree: Poco
  165. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Felix Culpa

    No, creepy old low-t Uncle Jared is trying to impress the younger WN misfits with his schoolgirl calisthenics. LMFAO, what a pathetic little bitch Uncle Jared is… 🤣

    • Replies: @Anon
  166. Anon[515] • Disclaimer says:

    The man is 68.

    That’s not low t for 68.

    He doesn’t need to be doing compounds to basketball American music at 68.

  167. Dumbo says:
    @Flint Clint

    This may be true. I met recently in a visit to Germany (Germany! TFR 1.3!) a couple of Catholic families with 12, 13 children each. Secular families have at most 3. In the end, it’s going to be about that.

    But maybe paganism with a fertility cult can match that? Although neo-paganism seems more associated with abortion, feminism, “witches”, etc, all lower fertility stuff.

    White converts to Islam tend to marry brown people (it’s usually women who marry and convert) and I don’t know if they have all that many children. Immigrants seem to be affected by secular trends of lower fertility as well. Fortunately!

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  168. Dumbo says:
    @Thulean Friend

    In my last visit to Europe saw a couple of blonde women with brown muslim people. Not many, fortunately, most are white couples. Any euro white men who become muslims are literally cucks. Accepting the religion of their invaders and the taking of their women.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  169. utu says:

    “My religion is eugenics” – Too bad your mother did not belong to the same religious denomination perhaps then we would be sparred from listening to your retarded nonsense.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @silviosilver
  170. Who Cares says:

    Mr. Jones I would love to believe you, with all my heart I wish I could. Growing up in a highly dysfunctional environment I was able to function and even thrive a bit because I had certain ideas and institutions to hang on to. One of these was my at the time very devout Roman Catholic faith and the Church that was then the basis of that faith. Slowly but surely I lost that and came to realize as an old man that it was the Church that left me and not the other way around. Just as the Immigration Act destroyed the ethnic, social and economic balance of my nation Vatican II killed my Church. Mr Jones who is now the Pope? Someone who has more in common with Hugo Chavez and Che Guevara than any of his predecessors both great and not so great. At this point my Church barely exists. By the way, not only my Church but all those other institutions I clung too in my long ago youth are now either lost or degraded beyond repair. What of the Protestant alternative? It has for the most part “reformed” it’s way to various forms of cultural Marxism. The USA is fast evolving to a point where it will be a combination of Latin American poverty and corruption, South African chaos, disease and violence, and Dearborn and Minnesota Islam gone fully jihad. How do you like that kind of triple Melting Pot?

  171. Huxley says:


    Nice try.

    A smaller Catholic church, with a “minority’ of white men leading it, is just what the doctor ordered. Too many CINO’s, anyway. Aggressive boomer women storming the sanctuary? Little black girls as “altar boys”? Horrible guitar music that should’ve died in the 60s? Good riddance.

    God hasn’t never been interested in “numbers” of believers. He’ll take a few serious men who understand the Satanic nature of the Jewish Empire and are ready to stand with Christ against it. Look, the Jews assassinated Christ. God knows the Jews all too well. They are NOT the Israelites of old. They are vipers, the “Synagogue of Satan.” Christ’s words, not mine.

    Do you really prefer WASP America, so thrilled to sell out YT to the Jews for a few shekels? Give me a break. Lucky for you, your son can now lie on the stomach of a tranny at a public library near you. Your tax dollars at work.

    You’re also mistaken with IQ. Yes, that is a strong indicator of material success, but closeness to God, not so compellingly. In fact, materialism is one just step away from Satanism. The elites, who want to live forever in luxury, love him. To evil people, Satan IS God.

    Black African Catholics and Christians are some of the very few people left on earth who are categorically against homosexuality, and have severe penalties in civil law. Even feral blacks here in the US hate homosexuality. Seen Mayor Pete Buttsex’s numbers with the Black community? Bret Easton Ellis comes to mind: LESS THAN ZERO.

    Maybe you prefer Judeo-Masonic elementary school lessons on anal sex, MANDATORY in California, brainwashing your 6 yo son?

    We all so neck-deep in the material plane, we can’t fathom the titanic clash between principalities that surrounds us, a clash that is VERY interested in our souls.

  172. “Don’t feel the need to be civil or tread lightly.”

    I would like to tough on arguments and civil in both directions. We have areas of agreement on this and some areas in which, I walk a tad more carefully.

    I understand your position.

  173. Matra says:

    Jones rarely if ever speaks of anything or anyone Irish

    Just this past week or so he’s been on with Grand Torino and John Waters. I’ve seen or heard him on others as well over the last couple of years. Didn’t he say in Slaughter… that he was Irish, not American, until his community was broken up then he became white?

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  174. james sc says:
    @Viktor Templeton

    I agree with you; religion is of paramount importance and stratifying ethnic lines with regard to blood, culture and language is secondary. But take this example say if the “muslim ummah” managed to resolve their sunni-shia thing and became united under one banner. Do you believe the “muslim ummah” could rise up above the ‘other’ if within the nations they inhabit had several (say 3-4) with disparate ethnicities living in close quarters that all spoke arabic but had slightly differing cultural norms (while still adhering to the main tenets of Islam that doesn’t take you out of the fold)

    Do you think such a diverse “muslim ummah” could be successful if you had say a country the size of Turkey inhabited by Turks, africans and arabs?
    Would this be an affront to the Turks due to the fact that the arab and african are not of a turkish bloodline. I mean Im just trying to identify if Empire which is stratified along blood lines such as the example I gave can still cooperate if they all are subservient to a higher power namely Islam in the case I gave.
    Its interesting just to see what their weakest link would be, would it be the differing blood line, the differences in culture given that they all do speak arabic. But my guess is that language is the aspect that keeps such diversity binded up more so than even blood and culture. Religion is important and keeps them “tight” but still I suppose the whole nation and by extension “the ummah” would only be as strong as the weakest link even if, in theory, religion is the most critical factor. But for something as intangible and metaphysical as religion (based on faith), would you still need some other physical thing to compensate (for that potential lack of faith, due to the nature of faith etc.) for this.

  175. CAMERA = Christkillers Are Making Everyone Really Angry

  176. @Dumbo

    Why do you assume I am white? 🙂

  177. Doesn’t this show that actual Whites who think RACE doesn’t matter are far more dangerous than any enemy?

    If some group tells me they are separate from me and have a belief system that condemns me as evil, well, at least they’re being upfront. But the actual White person who claims that his religion, or logos, or culture or whatever negates my race, is far more dangerous.

    And the idea that language is more fundamental to one’s identity than race is kooky.

  178. Dube says:
    @jack daniels

    It’s also implausible to say that Jews rejected Logos by rejecting Christ — whatever Logos is (Jones doesn’t say.)

    I’ve entered here late and without a thorough reading of the preceding. But I’m surprised if the idea of Christ Jesus as Logos has not been explicated here with reference to the opening of the Gospel of John, in which the term Word is, in the original, Logos.

    1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (…) 14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us….

    Of course the term Logos has a history, from Heraclitus through the Stoics.

    Again, I’m surprised if this information has not been understood here as a base for discussion, whether one accepts it or not. My apologies if I missed the reference.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  179. @Dumbo

    I think the antagonism against Catholics is ill founded.

    I’ve thought about it even more.

    Hitler rebuilt the manpower of the German nation from a completely different vantage point.

    He didn’t have to deal with diversity. German people were economically desperate and downtrodden. However Germany’s diversity was ideological, it was not primarily racial in the same way as the United States. If anything he had the opposite issue of reunification with the Sudeten Volk and in the Danzig corridor etc. You don’t have that luxury. You aren’t Germany. You’re late Rome.

    That really limits the possibilities for white repopulation programs that are founded in civil and government sources.


    Because any government programs will essentially have to amount to financial incentives for children that are activated by citizenship, not race.

    So any government population program in the form of financial incentives for children a la Nazi Germany or contemporary Hungary is only going to increase the population of non-whites at best commensurately but likely in excess.

    Maybe there is an argument that so many of these Not-Americans are already on welfare and this just evens the recipience. But if anything that means the white net transfer to non-whites will just get even bigger, and whites will be even more liable for non-white debt to the central banks.

    Then you have the fact that Mr evil Hitler didn’t have to deal with the technology of the contraceptive pill, at least at ubiquitous scale that I know of.

    The contraceptive pill means that you are at the mercy of women’s contraceptive preferences. Again, allied to diversity it means women expressing their hypergamist preferences have more incentive to receive private financing from allcomers for their sexual favours then public yes?

    Guess how many Catholic beauties fly to Saudi Arabia to get pissed on for money.

    Any attractive woman today who is caught up in the Promethan culture simply bids up in the sexual market according to her cultural sexual conditioning towards miscegenation and profligacy.

    Had Hitler had to deal with the pill it would have been much harder to repopulate Germany.

    The other option is an ethos that is extra-governmental.

    What can that comprise?

    Well one suggestion is a ‘fertility cult’. Really? Based on what? That just gets you back to financial incentives and pie in the sky Pagan Larping.

    Why should a woman have many white children when she can be a hedonist and indulge her every sexual predilection without any social inhibitions?

    What are you left with?

    Only, as I said, spiritual injunction in return to the natural order.

    Where does that lie? Nowhere else, except now Islam, Hasidic Judaism and traditional Catholicism.

    Traditional Catholicism is full of the beauty of centuries of realisation of western femininity versus Judeo-western feminism.

    Women today are becoming as burnt out from the Tinder cock carousel as men are. It hurts women much more, even if they don’t’ realise it.

    Traditional Catholicism is the only way to bypass the Scylla and Charbydis of the contraceptive pill and the Judeo-Feminist impulse and the problem of minority-majority diversity.

    And here is the thing. Female social dynamics mean that women in those communities actually ruthlessly police each other. If one women makes a sacrifice then all women given their communal nature are expected to make the same sacrifice. You achieve a positive feedback loop which is the inverse of the evil feedback loop of sexual licentiousness.

    I don’t see anyway out of this predicament for the United States.

    And the beautiful thing that E M J keeps telling you materialist goys that you don’t see that if this is based in freedom of religion then the problems of diversity hit your enemies.

    They can’t attack Christian religion to the degree required without also attacking all other religions in a supposedly religiously plural society ruled by the Jewish nationality.

    Muslims become your shield, whether they like it or not.

    You also obtain a basis of commonality for embassy with Hispanics, whilst also having theological extra-civic grounds for maintaining mutual separation.

    You see?

    This is the only answer.

    If you want to build the initial ranks of the new legionnaires of the second American Republic, this is how you have to do it.

    There is no other way – you can’t build all the institutional properties and positionality of the Catholic Church from scratch with some Pagan Larping or Occult imitation.

    You don’t understand how incredibly potently intelligent the higher degree Masons and enemies of the Church are. They understood this all very well.

    And this is how you know the Pope is a Mason to some degree. If he had any agency, and was actually Catholic, it would be a simple matter to issue a Papal edict re-affirming all basic Catholic doctrine regarding socio-sexuality that would now actually face a more receptive audience in many quarters. Because you westerners are starting to see the consequences of your sexual revolution that Catholics and Jews have been able to see now for decades.

    The people that own this world are the ultimate occult pragmatists. If you change the material conditions of the elements with which they weave our reality it limits the scope of their choices.

    Catholics can do this regardless of whatever the man who calls himself Pope Francis does or does not do.

    I feel dead already, so it is no matter if one day I am punished for what I have said online.

    If you want to save the world and rebuild a Zion for yourselves in accordance with your own soul-matter and your own ethos this is the only way you have left.

    The Economist had Beethoven and the Cross in it’s gematria and symbolism for 2019. Maybe this is how you change those elements to your advantage.

    And in terms of miscegenation within this model the scope for it is limited. Latin Mass as I said is a filter, and the new doctrine against neo-Babelism is going to wax strong because it aligns with the observable reality of the evils of diversity.

    This is how you take the Church from being a playpen for homosexuals and subversives and women and turn it back into the engine of western civilization.

    You have until the boomers are gone to establish the infrastructure, and then if you do so, you can replace all their numbers in a single generation.

    This is the only way. Freedom of Association and Freedom of Religion. If Jews can be a nationality why shouldn’t Catholics as they once were in Spain, France, Portugal and all the nations of Southern Europe?

    Mare Nostrum. The music for the mobilisation of the Mediterranean.

    What a time to be alive.

    Why would you let the Jews and the Prometheans alone build upon the world God their great enemy created?

    This is how you rebuild Rome, with or without the imprimatur of Rome itself.

    Alright I need to stop thinking. I won’t survive the world of censorship

  180. @anarchyst

    What Western person would want to worship with blacks/Asians?

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  181. And the most beautiful thing?

    This process is happening organically. It’s already started. These new city states are forming. They just need your nurturing and protecting as the Israeli’s nurtured the Kibbutzim. It will be much harder for you, because while you are many more, you are much less powerful and you don’t have the same isolation.


    The hottest property in the United States is Boise Idaho.

    Whites are forming into contingent racial blocks. Many of them of course are libtard commie animalia. But they don’t have kids. They will fall away. Just segregate them from these communities. They can’t do anything about it, anymore then they can demand entrance into scientology compounds.

    E Michael Jones making the point that eluded you goys again.

    There is actually hope. The greatest Christian virtue perhaps, other then faith. You have hope. This isn’t some pie in the sky Nazi larping scheme. This is actually underway and formed, right now.

    Malthus showed that population explosion was underway in 1860 Britain at a mere median of 4 children per family. And you don’t face the same Ricardian vice of an agrarian rentier economy.

    Imagine what you can do with 10 kids each. Especially as you withdraw your largesse from the bottomless pit of Not-American’s demands and needs.

    So nurture these communities like they are the last spring of water in the desert.

    Anyway it’s probably all for nought because this will take will and sacrifice, but then again, that’s what the Christian American nation as opposed to the degenerate and degraded Masonic United States always was.

    Make America, not the United States, Great Again, with or without the man who calls himself President Trump.

    You aren’t Greece and Jerusalem. You are Roman in your ethos, at least you were once. And Catholicism still has that Roman ethos, just supplemented with true Monotheism.

    You don’t Trump. You don’t need the Pope. You didn’t need the King. But you do need God.

    This is why religion mattered. It mattered in Israel, regardless of the extent to which it was expressed, very much. It mattered in America.

    You can, like actually, do this. If you make the sacrifices.

    Anyway enough Schmultz.

    There – my Mischling little thoughts on how you can come roaring back from the brink of annihilation.

  182. None of this is seditious by the way.

    You still have to operate in the United States of America and it’s governmental framework, of course.

    Loyalty to the family has to be supplemented by loyalty to the State.

    It’s probably as equally pie in the sky as anything else. It’s just a way you repopulate your bloc when everyone else is baying for you to die and doesn’t care how nice you are etc etc.

    Lol anyway, I’ll stop thinking and go eat breakfast, and play a little Fortnight.

  183. @utu

    Too bad your mother did not belong to the same religious denomination perhaps then we would be sparred from listening to your retarded nonsense.

    But for those who are able to contemplate it without losing their marbles” – I guess you failed that litmus test lol.

    Still, you’ve left me with an intriguing thought. Perhaps my mother did indeed subscribe to my religion. I mean, I turned out pretty smart, healthy and good-looking, so there’s a decent prima facie case for thinking so. 🙂

    Seriously thouhg, what exactly is your objection to a more intelligent, healthy and attractive humanity though? Entertaining that hope surely doesn’t require making anyone who ranks near the bottom of any of those metrics feel bad. In any society, the vast majority of people are never going to be anything particularly special, but that in itself provides no inherent reason to feel bad. An improved humanity is just something to look forward to; to know that no matter how bad things may be in our own epoch, future generations will have it better – and to feel confident in saying so, since your beliefs are grounded in scientifically established genetic realities, rather than vain environmentalist flapdoodle.

    • LOL: AaronB
  184. Richard P says:

    Quit spewing nonsense. Jared Taylor IS controlled opposition. He’s not legitimate or authentic. I suggest that you read the following article:

    Why Are Jews Leading The Alt-Right & ‘White’ Nationalist Movements?

    “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”
    — Vladimir Lenin, Jewish Communist revolutionary in Russia

    “Anybody who has been paying attention over the past five years can see the hidden hand at work in the so-called Alt-Right and “White Nationalist” movements.

    While the media drones on about “white supremacists” and “antisemitism”, the truth is that Jews are actually the ones leading these movements, and there is a clear agenda at work.

    This is nothing new.”

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  185. @Bill P

    Bill P.
    Among the most authentic old-stock Americans were the English Catholic settlers of Southern Maryland, and their descendants who migrated to Kentucky, where they are still thick on the ground in Nelson County (county seat Bardstown, “the Bourbon Capital of the World”) and neighboring
    counties. Had James II not been driven to France by Dutch William’s invasion in 1689 there would
    have been a lot more of these people here.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  186. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P

    Very interesting, thank you. Would you say the general area you live in is a good one for raising Catholic kids? Do you by chance have Traditional Mass?

    • Replies: @Bill P
  187. Dube says:
    @Flint Clint

    There will be all kinds of administrative law contention over what those ‘non-legally binding’ IHRA guidelines mean in a document meant to be legally binding.

    Point well put.

    However that goes, related informal pressures can be expected.

  188. @attilathehen


    Now I’ve just realised.

    I’ve followed exactly the same course of statescrafting as Steven Bannon and American Cardinal Raymond Burke. And all I did was play Civilization VI.

    This Pope is a Mason. There is no way around it. Anne Barnhardt is right.

    This Bergoglio communist could easily reassert neo-babelism and Catechism 2241 in the strongest terms, and he could easily frame Catholic social sexual doctrine precisely in the terms of civilizational conflict and western socio-political revival.

    2241 informing national racial survival equally informs personal courses of interaction. National survival and exclusion requires inter-personal exclusion.

    Imagine if Bergoglio did that. He would draw in white people dying for want of spiritual leadership like the starving children of Germany in 1946.

    This communist could appear wearing chainmail and give a speech like Trump pointing out the destruction of the West and he would become the centre of the world.

    Instead this man who calls himself Bergoglio blesses rapists, kisses their loamy feet, runs homosexual brothels in the Papal Apartments per the opinion of many, and blesses Islam.

    As Jared Taylor said, you’re dying of despair, and these Schvartzes and Muslims are rolling in like a tidal wave destroying everything. And yes, many internationalist Jews and even some Israeli’s are responsible for that.

    I don’t know much about Raymond Burke, but if he’s done bad things, this is a good thing that he is trying to do now.

    So you goys can see now yes, that spiritual matters are not only not peripheral, they will actually decide your fate.

    It is exactly as was said. In the West, all roads lead to Rome. If you can pull this off, you will crush everyone. The Chinese, the more rabidly racist Israeli supremacists (who aren’t all the Jews please), the evil international communist neoconservative disloyal Jews Trump talks about, and the Muslims.

    The Occult world makers are not all-powerful. If they suddenly face an army of white children they will be forced to pivot to the corruption of a new generation of youth to try and start the cycle of decline all over again. Or, they will get desperate and be forced to engage in an aggression which ruins their ownership of current institutions. But this time, the parents unlike the Boomers will know how the world operates yes?

    And if Jews or Mischlings are telling you what you have to do, what difference does it make?

    Maybe Jared Taylor is getting money from Judeo-Masons. I still think he probably didn’t have the lexicon or world-paradigm as a non-practicing Jew or Catholic to fully understand these matters. Most Catholics today even, don’t.

    Anyone in these threads with an IQ over 105 knows very well that what I’m saying is true.

    This is what you have to do.

    There is more then enough scope within the Catholic Church to observe duties of piety to the ecclesiarchy but also tell simply ignore corrupt heretical Bishops and Synods.

    These Bishops in Australia are replacing the Our Father with ‘gender neutral’ terms.

    >>>’OuR ZeR who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name<<<

    What does the Canon law say about infractions of that gravity? Why should Catholics care what these men think or don't think? How long until they say that children should receive a complimentary dildo?

    This is your only possible solution for survival if you want to navigate around the interdependent monsters of
    1. Contraception;
    2. Judeo-Feminism;
    3. Cultural Marxism; and
    4. Diversity.

    All of which were deliberately nurtured to destroy you.

    Start thinking like an Israeli. Israel faces many of the same problems.

    You also must under no circumstances allow the abrogation of the second amendment because if you do a foreign ruling class will do what foreign ruling classes always do when they feel threatened and they will hire foreign mercanaries.

    This entire wave of immigration is simply the hiring of foreign mercanaries to divide and conquer.

    Now perhaps you understand all these 'diversity' drives in all the western states. Replacing the national militaries with foreign mercanaries.

    And this is playing out right now in Virginia.

    You guys can be like the equivalent of the Maccabees.

    So now I hope the goys in this thread who don't understand the importance of Clericism have learned a valuable lesson. The Priestly class if uncorrupted 'are' actually equally important to national leadership in ensuring the survival of a nation.

    Because this is the whole effing job of the Catholic Church you silly goyim. When your national leaders receive the taint of corruption and the secret societies the Church is or was supposed to guide them and the people back to the west.

    You're ruled by women and children, your fields are being tended by foreigners, they will inherit your gardens, they will take your daughers and cast down your house. Is it really just a Jungian allegory? Or does that Biblical passage describe almost exactly the state of most of the West? Have you seen the new crazy eyed Finland Prime Minister? Her first policy is to bring in ISIS fighters and children and give them welfare.

    This is why even from a purely materialist point of view you must have a Church and a State in the West. One cannot survive without the other. That's why the Judeo-Mason's broke up the Churches and the European Kingdoms and have supplanted their own degraded religion for what produced the men like Tolkien and Bentham.

    But most of you don't have the training to see it. You have to play more computer games yes?


    Now I'm feeling a little better.

    So let Trump do whatever he is doing. Do what you have to do.

    There is actually hope.

    There are communities full of white children. They are your Kibbutizm, now grow around them and crush anyone who threatens them.

    Those children have higher IQ’s then Asians, and the greatest souls of sacrifice the world has ever seen.

  189. @Bernie

    He had an influence on people, but the question is whether those people will go on to have a significantly greater influence or whether his legacy will fade away like, say, the influence of Karl Jung, which seems to me to be well below its earlier level.

    Off-Broadway conservative thinkers may always have a place in books on intellectual history, especially ones written for a sympathetic audience, but will they have a place in books of general history?

  190. Dumbo says:

    Have you seen the new crazy eyed Finland Prime Minister? Her first policy is to bring in ISIS fighters and children and give them welfare.

    This is why even from a purely materialist point of view you must have a Church and a State in the West.

    Okay, but I think that the main lesson in Finland (and Germany) is: don’t elect women as leaders (some would even say, don’t give them the vote). Unless they are Joan of Arc. They have no concept of territoriality as men do. Actually, they are the opposite of men, for they love to watch competition among men (that explains the excitement of refugees for them, more sexual competition and fighting among men), but men are territorial and don’t really want to have to compete all the time.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  191. @AaronB

    Well said. A very interesting point worth reflecting on.

  192. @Dube

    The familiar passage from John is about as hard to interpret as you can imagine!!
    As for the history of Logos, I confess to ignorance of its use by Heraclitis and the Stoics.
    Googling, I get ” the divine reason implicit in the cosmos, ordering it and giving it form and meaning.”
    Obviously, it would take a GREAT DEAL of unpacking to make this idea clear, and I stand by my objection that Jones’ comments on ‘Logos’ are implausible at first sight. Do Newton’s laws give the cosmos “form”? I would have thought they certainly DID! And yet Saint Paul was unfamiliar with them while many atheist physicists know them well. As for second sight, I haven’t heard him say anything clearer than his unclear comments above.
    Dr. Jones really needs to repair or at least fill out this very problematic argument that Jews rejected Logos by rejecting Christ.

    • Replies: @utu
  193. utu says:
    @jack daniels

    “In Chinese translations of the New Testament, λόγος (logos) is translated with the Chinese word dao (道) (e.g. John 1:1), indicating that the translators considered the concept of Tao to be somewhat equivalent to logos in Greek philosophy.” – Wiki

    “In the year 635 AD, the first Christian missionary, Bishop Alopen of the Nestorian Church, arrived in China. The arrival of Alopen at the Chinese capital Chang-an during the T’ang dynasty, in the reign of the emperor T’ai Tsung (627-650 AD), was described in this manner:

    “The Emperor ordered Fang-li-wen-ling, first minister of the empire, to go with a great train of attendants to the Western suburbs to meet the strangers and bring them to the palace. He had the Holy Scriptures translated in the Imperial Library. The court listened to the doctrine, meditated on it profoundly and understood the great unity of truth.”(1)

    In that same year, St Aidan came to preach the Gospel in Northumbria in England. If the Gospel had taken root in China in the same way as it did in England, world history would have been quite different. ” –

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  194. @Dumbo

    But that’s my point.

    There is no possible way to prevent the logical execution of the program of the sexual revolution and feminism in the West without a western spiritual injunction.

    I keep telling you people and you keep being Goys and not understanding in the most infuriatingly stupid obstinate manner which is why my contemporaries want to genocide you or think you aren’t worth saving.

    I can’t imagine what it’s like for Unz, who is more intelligent and experienced then I am.

    The only way you can get attractive and intelligent women to have children and make genuine sacrifices to career and pretensions to rule in the prevailing socionomic conditions is through spiritual injunction.

    Just giving them state money won’t work because they can get private money from rich Chads, and you can’t target white women only. And they can generate more money themselves now then idiot goyim males.

    The Catholic spiritual injunction is not only ennobling, it is eugenic, because intelligent and attractive women with children are rendered a social elite.. Okay you goy? The Catholic conception of women places them at the centre of social life, and women without children are outside that social centre, and being women, they aspire to join the social centre.

    What the masonics have done is create the opposite dynamic, where the women with children feel deprived of the centre of social-hedonism.

    If all the nihilist ugly Thulean mongs were right, there would be no pretty Catholic girls right now having 10 white children in Kansas because they’d be out getting tagteamed by Tyrone yes? That’s what you think. Because you don’t understand nation-states and women.

    This conception I’ve described is the only way you are going to be able to get educated women to have children. Catholic communities are the only place in the West top tier women are having children. Because they become the centre of social life and a social elite.

    The less fully conceived models for the Hasidics and the Muslims are why they are also having children because it’s the same dynamic

    This Sanna Marin is a product of the anti-Catholic west. Her parents were homosexuals.

    You can’t just ‘not elect women’ unless you change the nature of how they are conceived and perceived.

    Otherwise they will present themselves as eligible, and they will be voted in by other women, and effeminate men and then your solution of not voting on the basis of an immutable characteristic is regarded as discrimination.

    You have to prevent the presentation ‘in the first place‘ by reconfiguring back to the natural law so your nation-state can reform intergenerationally – like Victorian England.

    That’s what the Church did for the West. It provided you with your raw manpower.

    It’s really sad to see there are so few intelligent men left in the West. There are still a few left in the Church, but no great Theologians any more.

    Now the Church is gone, and all you low IQ materialists and Nazi Larping morons are reaching and flailing when right in front of your face the answer is already created in schools bursting with white children and happy content women and dangerous men.

    You can’t do what Hitler did because your conditions are not the same. So stop being wasting precious time. Hitler would have already shot you for being incompetent idiots who don’t know how to build a nation-state.

    Look, Marin is being praised in the Jerusalem Post. For bringing into Finland ISIS children and their mothers.

    I’m totally sure that she hasn’t had any kind of Occidental training program or formation that makes her do what the liberal disloyal anti-Israel Jews want, and not what the Finnish need.

    These ISIS children and their ISIS mothers are going to kill Finns, and promote Islamic Wahabist culture in Finland.

    If you want help from Mischlings and paternal Jews who now don’t have Israel, and don’t have the Jewish community in the United States, and don’t have America either because it’s not their genetics, or even sub-Jewish communities because they’re not Chabad or Hasidic, then stop being so un-bearably stupid.

    There is a reason Steven Bannon and Cardinal Burke are trying to revitalise Catholicism, regardless of their relationships or personal sins – it is the ONLY way you are going to repopulate the West with white people.

    And that is why all the College of Cardinals has been so thoroughly infiltrated.

    But it doesn’t matter because like the Jews do with their law, you can, in a much more honest and reality based manner, interpret your Canon law and Catechism to enable the formation of your Kibbutizm movement.

    There is no other way. All your ferment about pan-nationalism at best is only good for n1. It has no conception for year n20, when things will really be looking bad for you.

    Go and start your RCIA’s white people. Because in two generations the only one’s of you left will be Catholic.

    And this is a way to give a western identity to the massive population of Hapas in Canada and Australia.

    They will be drawn by the Jewish cultural centrifugal forces towards China, this can draw them back to Rome and the West.

    Honestly. It would serve you right if all the Alt-Right leaders are really crypto-Jews. Lord knows you need guidance.


    Here is some Catholic first layer on immigration.

    “The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

    Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants’ duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens


    So in combination with the prohibition of neo-Babelism, how can there be ‘any’ immigration in a Catholic conception of the universe when there is national debt and unpaid entitlements and liabilities? If a country can’t meet the liquidity test for it’s current citizens how can it possibly add any more?

    There can be no economic migration – because migrants have to assist with civic burdens. That means paying net tax to the state?

    ‘Spiritual heritage’ – how can there be any non-Catholics or non-brother Christians permitted to immigrate into the West at all? Now do you see why tiny pixies called Shapiru are trying to claim the spiritual heritage of the West is really just Greece and Jerusalem?

    You see?

    The basic doctrine is simply that in the rejection and prohibition of the evil of neo-Babelism and the responsibility to preserve the nations and civic peace, exclusion of immigrants at a national level must be exercised by exclusion at an inter-personal level between the faithful.

    Something along those lines.

    That’s always how it used to be based on the texts I’ve read. Catholics never even fraternised with non-Catholics and the communities were formed on the basis of national lines.

    This idea that Catholicism means turning Europe Muslim and licking rapists toe-cheese is not Catholicism.


    And Italians are white, if for no reason other then that blacks get really triggered by Marciano knocking out Walcott and the others.

    And Nigerian Southern Baptists will respect this.

    The other point is that religious observance will be respected by adjacent religions in foreign states. Africans respect divine authority, as we should. In that respect, they are superior in parts of Africa like the Nigerian Southern Baptists.

    This is it.

    If you don’t want to just ooze out of history, this is how you rebuild, with a chance to retake the First American Republic which ended in 1865, or, to rebuild the second continental American Republic.

    It doesn’t matter how you finagle with this. You always end up at the need for manpower and to place women at the centre of social life again, and the need for a transcendental manifest destiny.

    This time the Germanics are friends, but Barbarians out.

    And have a look at Catechism 2242

    “2242 The citizen is obliged in conscience not to follow the directives of civil authorities when they are contrary to the demands of the moral order, to the fundamental rights of persons or the teachings of the Gospel. Refusing obedience to civil authorities, when their demands are contrary to those of an upright conscience, finds its justification in the distinction between serving God and serving the political community. “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” “We must obey God rather than men”

    See how this overlays with the constitution of the United States of America? Those who seek to interfere with the second amendment, and the first amendment, and the Sixth amendment are committing offence not just to the American nation but also God.

    If the United States dies, becomes Afro, Israel will become a Chinese colony.

    So you people have to have children and start understanding your own civilization.

    No personhood in Israel. No inclusion into the Jewish nation in America. Stymied by diversity. No United States. So, we will help build something new.

    Stop trying to revive the Nazis. They failed. Hitler failed. Nazi Larping leads nowhere. Hitler, in all honesty, today would probably advise mass conversions to Islam. Which would place the centre of the world in the Middle-East, not Europe. Okay? No more gaylord Nazi larping.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  196. Bill P says:

    I live in Western WA, which is pretty irreligious, but my local Catholic church is doing well and has a good school, but no Latin mass at the moment.

    If you like traditional Catholicism, Spokane, on the east side of the state, is the place to be. Five parishes offer the Latin mass on at least a weekly basis.

    Personally, I’m hoping I can convince my priest to do an Anglican Use mass. For whatever reason, I feel very much at home with the Anglican liturgy.

    • Replies: @Anon
  197. @Flint Clint

    Because that’s what the White Sharia clowns don’t understand.

    All Islamic Theology comes out of the Middle East.

    Any schools that were erected in Europe would always be considered subordinate.

    And how are white Muslims going to do anything against fellow members of the Ummah? Or the Sha’b, if we’re in Europe.

    A mass European conversion would place Europe at the periphery of the world, not the centre.

    White European Muslims would have to make their Hajj the same as anywhere else, as inferior beings, no different to the Circassians and Ossetian Jannisaries.

    So White Sharia is not an option for the restoration of Europe. It would mean instead the aggrandization of the Middle Eastern Shit-holes and the triumph of Noahide. Because dense inbred Muslims who are even more helplessly low IQ would be ruled by Jews and a strata of Jews pretending to be Muslims.


    This is your destiny, and if you don’t seize upon it, you are going to be simply effaced from history for a thousand years.

    No one can provide a superior solution. That’s why whatever people left who observe natural law come back to it. So help them, or become a bunch of dhimmis and boot-lickers like those execrable girly-men in what used to be Northern Europe.

    Do you really think a studier of Kabbalah and other occult practices like Steven Bannon believes in Catholicism? He doesn’t believe in Catholicism. He just can see that it is the only solution left for the West.

    Why wouldn’t women want to be considered a social elite?

    I also understand new research shows that women who have more children actually age slower then other women – haven’t these Roasties looked around and seen how everyone looks now when they’re old and childless and off Instagram?

    The American Republic is the last hope of the world really. If you can’t do it with all your advantages with a written constitution and your second amendment and your revolutionary history, there is nowhere else in the world that can achieve victory. And if you lose, China will take the whole of Oceania, and Canada.

    So start converting and start getting out of the Church these Wormtongues. Priests are ready to start an inquisition, they just need pressure put on the homosexual bishops by the Laity.

    I am not being a subversive Jew like Aaron.

    I have showed you that this is actually the only solution for you to repopulate your lands.

    There really is no other choice. And if you don’t do it now, these little islands of Civilization will be turned into bloody masses of ruined white flesh when you can no longer resist. By someone, acting on behalf of someone else, acting on behalf of someone else, who serves the Prince of this World.

  198. Dannyboy says:

    Where does E Michael Jones live? Where do his children go to school?

    Why do upper class people either not talk about race, or pretend it doesn’t exist?

    That’s a rhetorical question.

    I’m a baptized Catholic who grew up in Baltimore. I’m a working class white man.

    I watched a once very livable and prosperous city with numerous “ethic” neighborhoods, turned into a rat infested criminal shithole before my very eyes.

    Guess what? The “Catholic” and various Protestant churches went right along with the Leftist whites and nigger “elected officals” who destroyed the place.

    In short, ALL the do gooder faggot ass “Christians” should lead by example and go live in these black majority areas. Get back to us working class racists in about 5 or 10 years when they’re all “civilized” again.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  199. @Matra

    He’s an Irish nationalist. He needs to move to Ireland and apply his beliefs there. The Irish have degenerated. Let EMJ use his “logos” on them and we’ll see what happens. We don’t need him in America.

  200. As I constantly state, it is the cucked Western male (who is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim) who is the source of the problems in the West. Specifically, the Western Western European Man is the worst. Western Eastern European males are doing well. Vladimir Putin and Victor Orban are examples of intelligent, serious, tough Christian men who are dealing with threats to the West. Matteo Salvini is the only Western Western European man who is their equal, but he is not in power right now.


    2020 is Year Zero. In America, it is trad Catholic Western males, Christian Zionists, and gentile Freemasons who are causing our problems.

    The Christian Zionists who believe in the Rapture are a very serious problem. Mike Pence is one of these types. When Trump signed that executive order on anti-Semitism, the insane Ziocuck preachers John Hagee and Robert Jeffress were there. The Ziocucks have now calculated that the Rapture will occur in 2029. Here is a youtube with their insane theory:
    Many Southern Protestants are Freemasons who support the rebuilding of the Temple.

    Trad Catholic males are another problem. There is trad Catholic convert Taylor Marshall who is babbling about the Fatima prophecy. The Fatima apparation was a fake. Here are two former Catholics, now Orthodox, who deal with Fatima: Fatima Matt Johnson
    Taylor Marshall has recently made some youtubes babbling about how there is a fourth part to the Fatima prophecy. This is insanity.

    I believe the Orthodox Church will be the new church of the West, but we have to realize that Americans, as they convert, will not have a true understanding of the Orthodox Church until they come to grips with the racial/ethnic differences in the Orthodox churches.

    Here is a youtube of a Southern WASP male who converted to Orthodoxy. This is fine, but he is now possessed of some idea that Ethiopia is a good example of an Orthodox country. Ethiopia is a shithole. Their average IQ is 70. You only need to listen to the first 50 minutes to get an idea of his insanity.

    I’m glad that the Ethiopians are Christian and have their own Orthodox Church. They are trying to advance their country. However, they are not a Western people. The West is not Mongoloid or Negroid. Ethiopia is not a model for a Western person or nation. Leave them alone.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
    , @BCB232
  201. @Dannyboy

    They were brought up in a Judeo-Masonic Catholicism.

    You can’t blame them.

    Look at what happened to the last Pope who really tried to clean up Catholicism. Dead, within 33 days. For no reason.

    It wasn’t just that he tried to audit the Vatican Bank.

    That’s why Catholicism has to be practiced in the manner of Society of Saint Piux X.

    And yes, people thought it was all interchangeable.

    That’s why you have to all 3 – European peoples, Christianity, Greco-Roman legacy for western civ.

    At that time it was thought nothing would change. Well, as you’ve just demonstrated people now know better.

    Now we know, thanks to WikiLeaks. Two batches of documents — one leaked this month, one in August — show that top-level Democrats and their allies have successfully infiltrated the Catholic Church in order to advance their social agenda. The two key players are John Podesta, chairman of the Hillary Clinton campaign, who is an extremely liberal Catholic, and George Soros, the left-wing billionaire philanthropist, who is an atheist.

    In August, WikiLeaks published a report by Soros’s US Opportunities Fund on the \$650,000 it spent on Pope Francis’s 2015 visit to the United States. Working through left-wing faith groups, the Fund planned a ‘buy-in of individual bishops to more publicly voice support of economic and racial justice messages in order to begin to create a critical mass of bishops who are aligned with the Pope’. For ‘aligned with the Pope’, read ‘Democrat-friendly’. The Fund wants to tilt the balance of power against conservative prelates such as Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia. Chaput is indeed out of favour with Francis — but he’s even more disliked by Democrats, having just denounced Hillary Clinton as a ‘scheming, robotic liar’ and Podesta’s Catholics United as ‘creatures of a political machine.

    Afro-Jebus and Mexicans having conniptions in the Pews doesn’t work. Nor does Soros acolytes using the Church as a skinsuit for the international revolution.

    But that isn’t the Church – that’s the converged victim husk that SSPX is trying to destroy.

    There are no easy solutions and answers. Trying to revive a nationalist form of Catholicism would have a lot of advantages but it also does have disadvantages.

    If there is another option to get white children being created it should be examined.

    These people are rats. Lol this guy ((John Gehring)) wrote a book called ‘Pope Francis’ Revolutionary Challenge to the Catholic Church‘ – now why would you need to challenge something and cause a revolution against something that you’re supposedly supporting?

    Universalism is not globalism.

    The logic of demographics hits Catholicism as well. The non-traditional Catholics who don’t have children will also become irrelevant.

    Anyway enough from me.

    This was all triggered just by seeing the Kansas communities, full of white children, espousing a right to limitations on immigration.

    If anyone else can come up with a way to get children given all the hindrances and barriers that are in play, they should talk about it lol.

    See how you go trying to force women to give up the pill instead of voluntarily eschewing it.

    See how you go trying to get women to sacrifice travel and their purchasing power in the sexual flesh market from the whole world without giving them a transcendental purpose and an increased social status within their sub-community.

    I’m sure you geniuses will be able to formulate a replacement. It’s not like the most evil and intelligent people in the world haven’t been trying to create a de-Christianised Christianity to fulfill it’s same function.

    Because they have a problem. Social mood indexes show increased diversity will cause conflict, but they need more consumers.

    Anyway, just keep it in mind and don’t go on internecine anti-Christian rampages now you have a bit more context.

  202. @attilathehen

    Regardless of what Orthodoxy is doing, you should support the people trying desperately to de-converge the Catholic Church like SSPX.

    Your average Catholic is not an evangelical Zionist.

    And the prophecies of Fatima and Laucelet and Lourdes etc shouldn’t be dismissed so easily – as they basically in the 17th century described the formation of the Soviet Union and the metastiszation of Judeo-Freemasonry from Bavaria to basically own the whole world. Those Russia wiggers should have just consecrated the damn country to the Immaculate Heart and we wouldn’t be in this mess now, would we.

    If all the rival factions have prophecies, it is silly to dismiss your own. Especially given theirs are all just tendrils that roll up into Jesus coming to get AaronB 🙂

    No Orthodox person can dismiss the fourth prophecy so easily. If it is a Tavistock mirage, it has no bearing on the proven accuracy of the earlier prophecies.

    Orthodoxy is really good – just don’t get into purity spiralling with Catholics who are building communities that will be beacons in the new dark age.

    If we aren’t all in FEMA camps within the next 20 years, Catholics might even become a thing again.

    If Orthodoxy starts to get popular in the West, you can expect it to become infiltrated and corrupted just the same, if not worse.

    And I wouldn’t be so sanguine about Putin. Don’t be a binary thinker.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  203. @Flint Clint

    “Your average Catholic is not an evangelical Zionist.” Your average Catholic is a low IQ Asian/black.

    As to prophecies, Alfred Pike predicted also predicted three world wars. The third one would be fought over the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem. What will most likely happen is that an earthquake will take care of the problem. This is what happened to Julian the Apostate when he tried to rebuild the temple.

    The Lady of Guadalupe is another Marian icon that Taylor Marshall and other cucked American Catholics venerate. How is Mexico doing? Not too well.

    Taylor Marshall and other Catholic cucks are babbling about “Catholic communities.” Marshall likes that Vietnamese, Hispanics and blacks attend his church. Diversity destroys.

    One thing prophecies never cover – biology, IQ and its relation to race. My default position is biology first, beliefs second. I am a Christian and will support Christianity as long as it helps the West.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
    , @Flint Clint
  204. @utu

    If we had given proper support to Chiang Kai-shek China would likely be a friendly Christian nation today. But there were too many communists in the state department such as Harry Dexter White and Owen Lattimore.

  205. @Richard P

    I haven’t noticed any prominent Jews in the Alt-Right but Jews do tend to end up leading any movement for any purpose anywhere! It’s just their knack. Who woulda thunk a Jewish girl would lead the Irish Republican Army (IRA) but it almost happened. Poor Kristen ni Elias (her Celticized name) suffered from an excess of chutzpah and denounced Saint Gerry Adams. Soon after that she fled for her life to Canada. No cigar, but close!

  206. Anon[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill P

    Thank you kindly.

    OT, but are the flint & silvio guys the official EM Jones column’s trolls? They sound like the sci-fi version of the Aaron-vague-buddist-but-profound-nietzscheian fellow.

  207. @attilathehen

    I’ll make it really simple for you.

    Without the constitutional protection of religion any attempt at racial enclave and everyone in it will be destroyed by Jews in about 5 minutes.


    Hundred of millions of fiat and dark money channeled thru the NGOs like Bnai Birith and the SPLC would lawfare it into oblivion. You’d be forced to literally adopt black children by the time it was over.

    The Boer government that had nuclear weapons was dismantled by less force then would be brought to bear on what would be deemed a white terrorist separatist state.

    The SSPX model means retarded Filipinos doing the Macarena during offertory in their ‘different’ Church are your shield okay?

    They’re in the diocese but they’re not in your Opus Dei type complex and church that is serious.

    If you tried racial secession again it would just mean more forced integration and negros being bussed into your personal ensuite the second you lost government.

    It’s already happening in Virginia. They’re taking the guns.

    You have to operate like Germany immediately post Versailles. Under the limitation of the arms restrictions that constrain your activities.

    These areas are the nucleus of your future population.

    You can’t just pretend that diversity and hostile institutional forces don’t exist.

    Moving via religion gives you much greater scope because it combined freedom of religion and freedom of association.

    The optics of open racial warfare the enemy would have to initiate to bypass the dual constraints would work in your favour.

    SSPX is doing it without really meaning to. Which is fine.

    In 30 years you’re going to be literally le 40% race. The only way to prevent that is the kind of population growth that only white Catholics can provide.

    Race is important enough it needs a religion to wrap it up in. You know, like the Jews?

  208. @attilathehen

    Institutions matter.

    The Catholic Church is a really rare one because it’s corrupted centre can be effectively screened via Canon law.

    Gentiles don’t understand the effect of what Rumsfeld called facts on the ground.

    These little communities should act like Israeli settlements.

    Get there. Grow. Then let other deal with the consequences later.

  209. BCB232 says:

    Ethiopia is Oriental orthodox (non-Chaledonian) not Eastern Orthodox. The Eastern Orthodox would not consider them Orthodox at all.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  210. @BCB232

    I know that. Again, it is their church. It is working for them. We can iron out theological differences later. The big picture is that a cucked Western male is looking to Ethiopia as a place of refuge for other cucked Western males. This is insanity. The cucked Western male has to grow a pair and start planning the Reconquista.

  211. BCB232 says:

    I don’t know what the answer is. THat family the Duggars with the TV show – they have 19 white children and the father so far has picked white guys for all the girls’ husbands, the boys have picked white girls.

  212. I am very curious, how you gentlemen, assuming you are gentleman intend to square the matter before the almighty who based on the record, doesn’t give a lickety split about skin color.

    I am going to tread lightly here, I am just curious of the spiritual quality of superior standing does white skin have on the question of faith. It is my understanding that a Catholic is a Catholic based on their practice and belief of that congregational mandate(s).

    The process of confession or transubstantiation doesn’t change based on skin color — maybe I missed something.

  213. “Acts 17:26

    And He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation.”

    Deuteronomy 32:8

    “When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel.”

    Genesis 11:8

    “So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city”

    God is a Nationalist. Universalism, the earth of an abundance of towers of all the nations worshipping Christ within their nations is not the creation of a single tower where all the nations are dissolved and worhip the Prince of this World.

    Those are just a few.

    The same Jews and Wolves in Sheep clothing who proclaim that authentic Catholicism means flooding Christendom with Muslims, changing the ‘Our Father’ to ‘Our Zer’ and replacing Iustia with ‘social justice’ aren’t Catholic.

    And this is just scratching the surface. This doesn’t even consider the Jewish Apocraphya on the nations, or the pre-Schofield Bible.

    Moreover, Jesus believed His words would spread around the world: “This gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come” (Matthew 24:14); “the gospel must first be preached to all the nations” (Mark 13:10). And that is what we find today. God’s Word has been preserved.”

    To all the nations.

    Where does God say that Christians are called to execute the Kalergi plan, destroy Christendom, and rebuild Babel? In either the New Testament or the Old Testament?

    Neo-Babelism is demonstrably one of the most evil and anti-Catholic concepts both in terms of praxis and theology the world has ever seen.

    A very elementary case has been made under Catechism 2241 and 2242, based on nothing but the most cursory examination.

    This is easy.

    This isn’t about some ridiculous and non-existent concept of ‘white supremacy’.

    It’s about actual concord with the laws of God, free of Judeo-Masonic Neo-Babelist Neo-Globalist influences.

    We aren’t all meant to be a single nation. We’re meant to be in our separate nations.

    Univeralism is not globalism. Globalism is the aim of the followers of the Prince of this World. Because he would stand at the top of the Pyramid, with everyone a single mass under him, instead of all around in their separate towers.

    There is no quality of superior standing for white skin.

    But note that equality doesn’t exist in the Bible either. There are people who have higher capacity for spirituality.

    Confession and Transubstantiation are fine.

    But do you think any sacraments will survive at all when the world is one single mass of deracinated cultureless nationless plebs being ruled by wolves in sheeps clothing?

    There is going to be a time when confession won’t even be available and everyone will have to stay in state of grace without it.

    If, this globalism is allowed to continue.

    This doesn’t make white people supreme. It simply recognises what Catholic doctrine and Christianity actually says about the preservation of the nations.

    Did Christians fight at Lepanto and Vienna and Constantinople because Catholicism teaches Christians to be worthless cucks who turn the other cheek, and welcome diversity and neo-Babelism?

    Weren’t those invading rapist Muslims just immigrants seeking a better life for themselves and their families? Weren’t they an opportunity to behave as the Good Samaritan?

    The perniciousness of Neo-Babelism is demonstrably horrific for the Church.

    Why the heck would everyone have to collapse into a single entity if we still had Latin Mass? Latin Mass in Timbuktu, Latin Mass in New York and Virginia, Latin Mass in Mongolia.

    Universalism is not Globalism. That’s why it’s called the ‘Universal Church’ not the ‘GlObAliSt BaBeL’.

    Universalism means Christianity in Mongolia and New York and Timbuktu – not collapsing all of these separate nations into Kalergi-Man ruled from Israel with a corrupted Vatican serving as Lieutenant Bosun to the Jewish Kings.

  214. “But do you think any sacraments will survive at all when the world is one single mass of deracinated cultureless nationless plebs being ruled by wolves in sheeps clothing?”

    This is a very different argument. i don’t have any issues with God acknowledging the orderly establishment of nations or their boundaries. I agree that is certainly acceptable and even established by him as precedent.

    But the same spirit that dwells in the believer in Wisconsin dwells in the believer in France. So there is a form of universal unity. However, that is one of the spirit. it does not do as many Catholics and protestants contend, remove national borders. I think the case that makes the most sense spiritually is that. As christians we are to uphold the law when it does not conflict with Christ and immigration laws do not. I whole heartedly agree that this practice of people of faith using the same as excuse to violate immigration laws is hypocrisy, especially since they are so willing to throw their own citizens under the bus for that purpose. It’s the story of the good samaritan crossed over. That we have christians who scream law and order in breath and bend law and order like a pretzel when it suits them is hypocrisy and it does not stand the test.

    My brother in Christ is not exempt from the law or the mundane. but attempting to disenfranchise people based on skin color alone is a very tough sell in my view. I understand the complaint. I get it. But given the fractures among majority white populated nations, 100 years war, Napoleanic Wars, Crimean Wars . . . to name but a few in whites christians slaughtered each other by the the thousands a day – that there is some unique ethos that binds beyond just making hay about color makes the case even tougher.

    I also think you are correct in your assessment regarding Catholics taking a more than required beating. And I would agree that those assaults are intended to decrease not catholics but christians in general by hyperbelizing some legitimate errors into staples.

    The march toward a single government is going to be constant in my view, if scripture is accurate, that will occur. However, until that time comes, I agree that christians should be standing as people of faith and in the US exercising their rights for purposes of extending salvation and defending themselves against scandalous accusations.

    And now I am going to note a very controvorsial position — as a conservative, I am going to be very careful how eagerly I embrace law enforcement or government in general. In my view with increasing speed and magnitude, christians have fostered the tools that the government will use against them when that time comes. And I think finally as the veil is lifted ever so slowly, we are getting a look that the system of law enforcement is the arm of God it was intended to be.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  215. @EliteCommInc.


    “And I think finally as the veil is lifted ever so slowly, we are getting a look that the system of law enforcement (with the larger body of government – that has been more obvious) is not always the arm of God it is intended to be.”

    In response to the sacraments issue — whether a thousand nations or just one — Christ remains the same as will salvation, grace, the ten commandments and God.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  216. @EliteCommInc.

    If there is only one nation left the Church won’t exist in it. It can never die but it will be in abeyance.

    If there are no Priests, there is no confession. There is no communion consecration. There is no holy matrimony. There is no baptism. There is no holy water. There is no final unction. It’s all gone, you understand? We wouldn’t get any grace except vis the absence of mortal and venial sin. In circumstances where it is a necessity for survival. That would be nightmarish.

    Some Protestant obese dyke with pink hair claiming she can do these things doesn’t make it so.

    You don’t get it. Catholicism could actually due no less then the religion of Atlantis, whatever that was. It might endure metaphysically. But all physical manifestations could really, truly, be fucking annihilated by Satan, as a lesson to us.

    You can’t have a church in a one nation because it would be a threat to the one world government. What does the catechism say. It establishes a higher moral order. The one world government supplants the very concept of moral order.

    I appreciate your very moderate assessment of government.

    It is a cesspit of the most vile crimes, high treason and corruption, and is being used to create a dark age of technological surveillance and a vehicle to smash the conception of noble man into a thousand prices. Like Orwell told you was going to happen. Because the Cabal showed him the blueprint. Just as I’ve showed you goyim the only way out.

    You have to understand. In the next twenty years you may actually have to fight to stop someone flaying your skin from your skeleton for not forsaking Christ.

    You may very well actually be out in a Gulag or shot or torn apart by foreign assailants.

    This shit isn’t a joke Sir. Boomer platitudes are what caused this in the first place.

    Go and read about the Dutreaux Affair, the Finders and Ted Gunderson.

    Then think about what it will mean when or if a foreign mercenary majority can deprive you of your arms, and make it illegal to organise politically against their communism, and make it illegal to go to Church at all.

    That’s coming. Everything already is logged and tracked by digital cookies and servers. Soon, and Google already is doing this, your whole reality will be created for you via life ledgers online, and no one will be able to transact without the mark of the beast which is the RFID chip already being out inside people in Sweden.

    Unless whites rebuild their manpower and assert their sovereignty.

    Then think about what it will mean if the Church sanctions pedophilia.

    There is no SSPX movement in the Protestant Churches. There is zero, zero possibility of such a movement in those churches. Because I’m freeing themselves from the Magisterium theyre whatever the fuck and pink haired pedophile decided they are. The Pope is a Mason and even he has to tread carefully. They already have female priests and homosexuals openly preying on their wards, and deprived of the Catholic understanding of the supernatural they are failing inexorably.

  217. Sam J. says:
    @Just passing through

    “…Does anyone really believe that China and East Asian countries would be where they are today if treacherous White elites hadn’t sold out the working class and exported manufacturing to China?…”

    Here fixed for you.

    Does anyone really believe that China and East Asian countries would be where they are today if treacherous (Jews) hadn’t sold out the working class and exported manufacturing to China?

    Remember the hostile takeovers and buy outs (financialization) of the 80’s and beyond.


    “…Almost all of their military tech is stolen from the West…”

    By the Jews also.

  218. “You can’t have a church in a one nation because it would be a threat to the one world government. What does the catechism say. It establishes a higher moral order. The one world government supplants the very concept of moral order.”

    I am willing to acknowledge that there is a difference between the world of Christ and that the “World” ruled over by other principalities. As I noted, when that one nation system or global governance is in place the Church will come under enormous pressure to conform. About that there is little doubt. Christ himself, makes that clear — that is assuming I have the scripture correct.

    How much, the Catholic Congregation conforms to that system, I have no idea. So while what you claim may be correct on some level — the believer should know a the end — the world loses and christians prevail. Now that which is of Christ cannot and will not change. Whether baptism, confession, what have you. That which is established by Christ will not pass away. Believers will still be baptized with the Holy Spirit, believers will still confess their sins one to another, etc.

    For the believer, what was sin/error before will be the same after, so same sex relational conduct will still be in err, theft, lying, adultery, etc will be as verboten as before the one nation came about. There will be imposters of faith such as you mention women claiming to be men and man claiming to women, apostasies of some congregation will exist as they do now with same sex practioners serving as pastors, bishops, etc. —- but there will also be wheat despite the tares.

    We are not of this world. The believer is one set apart, part of a holy nation and people — there will always be emnity between christians and the world. Which is why Christ makes it clear that to follow him is a path that might put one at odds with family. That one will be rejected because of that faith in Christ. This is not an issue that is new or can be totally avoided. In the US we still have enough presence and rights to defend the exercise thereof and have input to how the society operates.

  219. @Sya

    I’m not Israeli.

    I’m Mischling. Israel was always taught to me as a noble place. But I can’t go there now because you have to be thru the maternal. There is no right of return there for the likes of me.

    I’m not being subversive. I’m trying to show how you can use Israeli strategies to prosper.

    If you have a large enough population base you could even cut Israel off for interfering in the United States. You can’t do it right now because of the huge resources the lobby has and it’s literally about to become illegal to oppose Israel by anyone who gets Fed funds.

    You can’t just seethe and reee and pretend that isn’t about to happen. It is going to happen.

    Does the SSPX community get fed funds? No. They get tax offsets but their funds come thru charity and the Catholic Church. Imagine how much more funding they could get if their enemies in the church were minimised?

    Do the SSPX community have their own schools? I don’t know. But it would be nice if they could learn the truth about the Holocaust wouldn’t it? Instead of being steeped in it like I was so it’s impossible almost to shake.

    Traditional Catholicism is very informed on the Jewish Question. Look at what the Church fathers say about it. Saint John of the Cross is scathing.

    I’m not an Israel fanatic. Well, I sort of am but that’s immaterial.

    If Nazi party strategies could work, they could work. But they can’t work. Because you have to deal with much different and in many ways harder circumstances then Hitler. You don’t have an Ostmark full of Germans, and an Alsace Lorraine full of Germans.

    You’ve a shrinking elderly population with a plummeting mortality rate among young white men.

    You have women who without guidance are free to marry other races, who then identify as non white because of the culture. If you try to force them to do anything they will do the opposite of what you want.

    You’re buried in diversity. If you separate yourself from it, it has the freedom of association to pursue you. It can also force itself upon you legally. But Scientology legal cases mean religions can pretty much do whatever they want.

    You have a massively hostile clique of enemies in all the major institutions. They are made up of literal world war 1 veterans and world war 1 civil administration personnel who hate communism, you idiot.

    You don’t have economic depression, yet, to serve as a unifying motivation. Because of the diversity and white privilege lies etc, when the depression does come ironically enough it will weaken you even further. Whites will be blamed by diversity for causing the problems.

    If you can’t follow the reasoning, that’s fine. But don’t be a moron and just say ‘muh Israel’.

    If you think letting the Feds farm you like they did at Charlottesville was a success, try that again.

    It almost killed the entire dissident right.

    What benefit do you gain by adopting the policy of Hamas when you have no power to do anything?

    Please don’t be stupid.

    I’m not Israeli. That’s the whole point. If you don’t do this you’re finished. So do whatever you want. But you’ve been told the only way to get enough people to be able to fight the diversity and also to fight the illegal immigration and everyone and everything else.

    Don’t make me regret my time spent on this for you.

    Use what worked for Israel, within the bounds of morality.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  220. anarchyst says:

    Jesus Christ threw the moneychangers out of the temple and rallied against other nefarious jewish practices.
    Jesus Christ was hated because he “called the jews out” and exposed them.

    • Agree: montechristoff
  221. @Flint Clint

    You are a miscegenated, meshuggah, schmegegge. You can go to Israel if you convert. From your opening statements, you do want to be Jewish. You are not a “Catholic.” You are a lying Jew. Your SSPX schtick sounded odd to me.

    As to diversity, 20% of Jews are black/Asian. Worry about the diversity in your tribe. Western peoples do not have demographics like these. Blacks/Asians are not accepted in Western populations. They are in Israel.

    I will give the Jewish Israelis credit for one thing. They defend their borders. Israeli soldiers have killed hundreds and wounded thousands of Muslim Palestinians trying to cross the Gaza border. I’m still not seeing Gaza on our southern border.

    Unlike the many cucked, anti-Semitic commentators on Unz, I do not blame the Joooooz for our problems. The West’s problems are caused by cucked Western males (who are not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim).

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  222. @Sya

    What you smell is the dump you made in your Depend diapers. Blaming the Joooooz is just a way to avoid fighting for the West.

    Your “hero” Jared Taylor will soon have a chance to prove his “bravery.” Virginia is going to be the battleground for the Second Amendment. Let’s see what happens.

    Change your diapers and go back in your playpen.

  223. “Jesus Christ was hated because he “called the jews out” and exposed them.”

    Because he calls out hypocrisy, that same standard applies to the faithful as well.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  224. @EliteCommInc.

    At the request of the Pope (sic), the Pontifical Biblical Commission, the highest technical ecclesial organism in interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, has issued a report on the anthropological vision in the Bible in which the conception of homosexuality is radically revised.

    “A new and more adequate understanding of the human person imposes a radical reservation on the exclusive valuation of the heterosexual union in favor of an analogous reception of homosexuality and homosexual unions,” can be read in the study commissioned by His Holiness (sic) to Pontifical Biblical Commission on the anthropological vision of the Bible, which includes extensive attention to the issue of homosexuality, whose expression conceives as “a legitimate and dignified expression of the human being.

    This is a false pope.

    Hypocrisy applies to the ecclesiarchy.

    Catholics have to use a means to take back the Church whilst screening this evil and false pope.

    The simplest answer is simply to say Benedict is Pope.

    Look at what Jews and Mason’s can do when they have power in an institution.

    They can abolish the natural law and destroy humanity.

    Gentiles need to fight to the death to take back institutions, or you really are going to perish.

    This pontifical biblical commission sounds like nothing yes?

    What do you thinks going to happen when western Catholics become openly homosexual, given what homosexuals always do. Then what will happen when Islam reaffirms their doctrine?

    ‘Heaven janna lies under the feet of the mother’

    You are in a war of genocidal intent bring betrayed at every turn.

    But you can turn these institutions back to your own causes, by being smart.

    This pope is a false pope surrounded by false bishops. Be discerning.

    They’re probably under pain of death or disclosure of horrific crimes if they don’t pursue the promethean agenda.

    Knowing that, help them b doing what they wish they could do but can’t.

    And this is the same thing happening to elected governments in the West. If they don’t comply with Promethus the tapes of them in Epstein’s Flat or in basements screwing children will be released or they will be quietly killed.

  225. @attilathehen

    What’s your counter proposal for rebuilding the west then?

    What is it? What are you going to do, ‘AttilatheHen’ because if there is any western historical figure, it’s Attila the Hun.

    Given you support the huns, I imagine you are a shit skin turkroach Sumeria larponf faggot who thinks they’re aryan.

    And that would make sense, because a high school educated mudperson totally wouldn’t understand what I’ve said.

    I’m standard deviations more intelligent then you shit for brains.

    The other men who aren’t retarded gulenites or whatever the hell you are know what I’m saying is correct.

    Stick to making treacle turk coffee paste in Karachi Istanbul street faggot.

    Such a profusion of profound thought coming from your dirty dark mind.

    ‘Attila the Hun’ is here to ell westerners how to save the West.

    Turkish people are good for washing toilets in Britain and Germany in their techologicals. Don’t even pretend you understand what I’m saying Attila lol.

    Steve Bannon got to the same place I did. Yes, it sounds different because it’s a more Jewish understanding of the secular consequences of these religious communities.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  226. @SolontoCroesus

    Do you get the difference now though.

    I’ve showed you how religion is inherently about political being in the world.

    I’ve also showed you the difference in the political outcomes.

    Jewish – one tower of Babylon with one nation and one world government led by Jews. With man’s state and reality determines by Jews.

    Christian: many nations, with their own towers, with man’s state and reality determined by accordance with God’s Logos.

    The Germans were correct to do what they did.

    Christianity is the only thing that can save you now. It would allow you to rebuild your population.

    The old testament is informed by the New testament. That’s Catholic theology. They weren’t doing anything special.

    Now, your fake Jewish Mason Pope has just said that homosexuality is equivalent to heterosexuality as man’s state.

    He said both must be given analagous receptions as human unions.

    What that means in practice is that in a little time all of you homosexual westerners will be thrown off Europes towers by Muslims let in by Jews. You will be a nation of barren homosexuals rutting with each other in gutters while you pay for Muslims to breed before they dispose of whatever remnant remains in 2 generations. Because your heterosexuals already behave like homosexuals in terms of sexual profligacy and normative purpose.

    You guys have lost the ability to understand the world and how natural flows from supernatural.

    The Church is your source of man power. And it’s been captured by the Jews and Masons.

    What you think doesn’t matter matters most in the world.

    If you don’t see the truth you’re all going to get torn to pieces by your enemies in this life, and then again for eternity in the next life.

    SSPX are heroes. There is no other way to put it.

    They will be the only white people left. If you don’t help them they’ll be destroyed.

  227. “A new and more adequate understanding of the human person imposes a radical reservation on the exclusive valuation of the heterosexual union in favor of an analogous reception of homosexuality and homosexual unions,” can be read in the study commissioned by His Holiness (sic) to Pontifical Biblical Commission on the anthropological vision of the Bible, which includes extensive attention to the issue of homosexuality, whose expression conceives as “a legitimate and dignified expression of the human being.”

    Allow me to clarify just a couple of issues.

    1. there is nothing in scripture that supports same sex relational conduct — nothing. In all ways it is verboten — and it certainly is not condoned by Christ — redundant. Nothing the apostles have written does anything except – condemn such conduct.

    2. I have no idea what this Pope is up to — but his positioning regarding this conduct has been unnerving since he was elected.

    3. I know of no way to combat such behavior among people who call themselves christians save with scripture. I think that includes Catholics who come courting with nonsense about how this conduct is also of God because they feel it inside and they are having a joyful experience — its enough to make me nauseous.

    Catholics well rooted in scripture are going to depart or demand that those making these types of claims depart as they well should.

    4. On the secular, I think christians had better well versed with positions they can defend without bringing up God. For example, this behavior is nonproductive. It adds absolute;ly nothing to the community at large. And in fact is regressive, retro-productive to community as it takes and gives nothing back and as such should not only be discouraged, but barred from legal status as marriage. Based on the simple reason why the state condones heterosexual marriage based on what ot provides. And because that legal or sanctioned structure is in the public domain, the public has every right to say no as they have repeatedly across the country and they did so without ever once – having to made a moral judgement.

    What will I do if such and such happens, I hope I stand. I intend to stand. I care not what you do in your bedroom. I will say,

    “I think you have that right. Just know, that i cannot and do not condone this choice of expression — and i don’t rat’s a petunia what the pope, bishop, priest, pastor, evangelist of such such belief says, bottom line — it is not permissible or acceptable according to scripture. And like all other verboten practices — stealing , adultery, relations out of wedlock, covetousness, etc. Christ has barred it a spiritual disposition.”

    It’s hard enough to walk in the light, but I have no intention condoning such behavior.

    My understanding of hypocrisy from the vantage of scripture is simply engaging some practice that I condemn in others. i.e. claiming to support law and order and supporting illegal aliens who venture into the country. Claiming “the golden” rule as you undermine your fellow citizens for the sake of foreigners.

    In my view that is hypocrisy and it goes to faith and practice an something the Apostles, scripture, Christ and the father make clear is unwanted in believers.

    The war is ongoing, and while it manifests itself in the mundane in a thousand ways, we are reminded that it is a spiritual war against the principalities of . . . well here it is:

    “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

    King James Version (KJV) Ephesians 6:12

    The following verses are also encouraging.

  228. And when people make arguments about how nice, intelligent, funny, giving, etc. those who choose this lifestyle are, I can sincerely respond, I have friendly relations with people who engage in this behavior. I simply cannot support or condone it that contradicts God.

    The spiritual war does manifest itself in thousands of mundane ways bakers, photographers etc. targeted by those engaged in this behavior. People sometimes have no idea how or why storm has come their way – because a lot of nice, king, intelligent people simply want to remove anyone who doesn’t support their agenda and they will do so by any means available. In so many ways, I contented to be a loser in this life.

  229. @Flint Clint

    You are a Jew!!! A true Jew cannot stand to be called a Jew!!!

    You said you were half-Jewish. I bet your mother is a Jewess and your father is either black or Asian. Where I live there are many shitskin black/Asian Jews running around babbling they are the “chosen.” Mark Zuckerberg’s Chinese offspring are Jewish. (((Chloe Greene))) the Topshop heiress has a black/Jewish son. Synagoguges are holding meetings about “Jews of color.” You would know about this.

    Another proof your stupidity (besides your scribblings about the SSPX which reveal that you know nothing about Catholicism or Christianity) is not knowing that Attila the Hen was one of Margaret Thatcher’s nicknames. You are not English so you would not know this. Only a cornered Jew would make connections to her nickname and Turks. Fethullah Gulen is yesterday’s news. You know nothing about the West.

    Also, the name is Attila the HEN, female. But since your are a functional illiterate, you misread everything.

    Steve Bannon is a negrophiliac cuck Catholic who will OSCULUM INFAME black/Asian priests-popes. “Jewish understanding” is an oxymoron like “Jewish genius.” You are just trying to figure out a way to be accepted in the West.

    Here is my proposal for saving the West. It is simple. The West is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim. American blacks will get their own state. Jews will be sent to Israel. Muslims and Asians will be sent back to their countries.

    Your plumping for the RCC and SSPX is quite revealing. When I stated that the Orthodox Church with its racial/ethnic churches would be the future, you did not like this. You don’t want to hear that diversity has collapsed the RCC. It doesn’t fit in with your plans. It is very easy for a Jew to infiltrate the RCC/SSPX rather than the Orthodox churches. I can tell when a person is true Catholic, like the commentator anarchyst. They refuse to accept the reality of what is happening in the RCC, but they will have to. Pope Frannie will approve gay marriage shortly. Catholics like anarchyst will have no choice but to become Orthodox. The SSPX has huge missions in Africa and Asia. They are just a schismatic version of the RCC. Also, the idea of a Jew telling a true Christian like me what do about Christianity is chutzpah.

    The Orthodox Church will solve many problems in the West.

    • Replies: @Flint Clint
  230. “The Orthodox Church will solve many problems in the West.”

    And they have do such good work — I am curious what has prevented from solving those problems in the past or even now. Not a question, just an observation. I take it they are telling Christ, ” to get a life” when he mandates that the gospel be spread to all.

    • Replies: @attilathehen

    No sooner had I made the comment Steve Sailor had the article and the issue up and running. I should have suggested his site, however, i just assumed that people familiar with the Unz Review would get to it.

    Excuse my negligence in not referencing

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  232. “Catholics have to use a means to take back the Church whilst screening this evil and false pope.”

    There’s an interesting article in January February issue of The Atlantic you might want to read, entitled “Retreat, Christian Soldiers”. It’s about an SSPX community in the town of St Mary’s, Kansas. I think I used to wrestle them way back when or maybe it was competitive speech.

    I don’t much cotton to the idea of hiding away, not yet and not in today’s society — seems premature and in some ways may make it easier to target when the time comes and the time I am sure will eventually come when believers will find themselves targets — but right now, I am convinced we have a strong hand to play in shaping the country still, if we don’t retreat prematurely.

    Still, I think you might appreciate that article.


  233. @attilathehen

    Well fine, if orthodoxy can do what SSPX is doing better that’s great. Are there Orthodox Churches where there are very large white families with mother’s who are educated and intelligent?

    But I still think white people shouldn’t just give up on the Catholic Church. Why leave it to be picked apart by the likes of John Podesta and Joe Biden and pedos like Cardinal McCarrick?

    To me it seems like insane purity spiralling to simply dismiss Steven Bannon and Raymond Burke out of hand.

    Because Orthodoxy isn’t really a factor in western Europe. Or Italy. And there are huge advantages to a racially nationalist doctrine percolating into South America and Africa and south Pacific Asia so they are forced to confront their invasion. If SSPX were to adopt that in Non white areas it would be only to the good.

    And Catholicism has so many more resources.

    I mean I’ve just demonstrated how you could actually stay Catholic but still stop this communist Mason Pope. Catholics don’t have to become orthodox at all. They do one of a number of things described by Anne Barnhardt. Or just observe the Canon law in the limits of papal innovations.

    And yes, I said Jews would try to come in and discredit and disqualify. That’s why I said you need men who understand espionage.

    Yes yes yes Jews can’t tell nobody nuffin what to do. Stronk sovereign citizens and all that.

    No look up the definition of a Mischling of the Paternal. Grandparents only.

    I don’t mind being called one. But no, I’m not those things you mentioned. There are in fact Judeo Christians in the true sense of actual converted practicing and deeply conservative Jewish Christians. Albeit not many.

    I didn’t know that about Ms Thatcher.

    Well okay so mass forceful deportations and armed resistance. Maybe it will come to that. But that seems unlikely compared to white flight into a de facto then de jure American secessionary nation.

    What are Hispanics going to do? Orthodoxy has its own problems as well.

    It is palpable thru all my comments that I understand how diversity has hurt Catholicism.

    There is being assertive then there is being deliberately obtuse.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  234. @Flint Clint

    You’re a Jew. You have no idea about Christianity or Catholicism. I don’t care about blacks/Asians. Hispanics are hetergeneous so we will keep the ones who assimilate in America. The lower caste Hispanics are going back. The Christian Lebanese and Syrians are not a problem. I only care about the West and I have defined what the West is and is not.

    Biology will be first, beliefs second.

    Ann Barnhardt is a trashy trad Catholic convert who will OSCULUM INFAME black/Asian priests-popes. I listen to her podcasts – she’s nuts. She babbled on a recent podcast how she would not open her door to Halloween trick-or-treaters because she didn’t want “evil spirits” to enter her home. When she writes or talks about Catholic doctrine, I know all of this. I’m a cradle Catholic and my family has been Catholic for many centuries. On another podcast she babbled about Newt Gingrich’s mother. Barnhardt described the mother as trash. First, Newt Gingrich and his wife Calista are trash. He started dating this salope when he was married to his second wife. Since Newt was not a Catholic and it was Calista’s first marriage, she was able to get his previous marriages annulled. Newt converted to the RCC and this evil couple think everything’s kosher. These two will burn in hell. When Barnhardt began talking about Gingrich’s mother, I was surprised that she called her trash. I looked up Newt’s mother bio and found out that she had a very difficult life. His mother did the best she could given her circumstances.

    Barnhardt started babbling about the monkey Kanye West. Kanye has been babbling about his Christianity. He’s a buffoon. The cuckstian Joel Osteen has teamed up with West. Barnhardt was babbling about how we have to pray for West and Kim Kardashian. Barnhardt never asked for prayers for Gingrich’s mother.

    Barnhardt is always babbling about the Lady of Guadalupe. Compare Catholic Mexico and WASP America. Which country is better? There is only one correct answer.

    America is not going to breakup and no states will secede. We will implement the plans used by Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand of Spain.

    I’m not into purity spiraling of any kind. I deal with facts and the truth.

  235. @EliteCommInc.

    The Eastern Orthodox Churches of Eastern Europe had do deal with Muslims for many centuries. Russia, Greece, Hungary, Bulgaria were either conquered or constantly battling Muslims. The Muslims only conquered Spain but they were expelled. No other countries in Western Europe were occupied by Muslims.

    The (((Bolsheviks))) took over Russia and we know what happened. The Russian Orthodox Church was persecuted.

    What is critical is to first expel people who do not belong in the West. In America, blacks will be given their own state. Jews have Israel. I want to save the West first. I have no interest in whether China or India convert to Christianity. They have their own belief systems.

    Biology is first, beliefs second. The most important thing is IQ preservation. We now know what destroyed the ancient Egyptians (Caucasians) – it was mixing with blacks. We now know what destroyed the ancient Aryan Indians – it was mixing with Asians.

    The Orthodox Churches with their racial/ethnic churches are better because they keep out people who don’t belong. If other types of people want to be Christian, they will have their own churches. The West can have many Orthodox Churches because of the variety of Western peoples. The Lebanese and Syrian Christian can be a part of Western churches. Latin America is very racially divided so the different groups will also have their own churches. The European/Caucasian Latin Orthodox Churches can be a part of Western churches.

    Separation and division will the most important words going forward.

  236. You have some esprit de corps.

    Good for you.

    But telling me I know nothing about Christianity when I clearly demonstrably do know a great deal about it makes you look like asinine.

    Don’t be asinine.

    Osculum Infame is a witches greeting. Okay, now I know you’re not being serious. It’s always a mistake to assume a person is being serious.

    Lol so you deny the existence of evil spirits but you’re the arbiter of Catholicism?

    Barnhardt worked as a finance futures broker then gave up immense wealth. She burned a Koran. She has been right about the Popes from day 1. Show some respect.

    Well Mexico despite it’s chaos is growing. WASP America is dying rapidly.

    Maybe you lack perception.

    Do I think the two should mix? No. Does Mexico make children? Yes.

    Anyway I’ve showed what can be done to take back an institution. It seems obvious to me that nationalist catechism requires Nationalist inter personal relations. Why not work to reform both?

    I’m sure the Spanish plan will work out, maybe? But even if it does, you will still need children.

    Have a good night.

  237. “Separation and division will the most important words going forward.”

    I am of course just giving you grief. You don’t have answers for those questions. They are of course difficult. The Orthodox Church in the US is failing because the Russians took over. Which of course begs the question about who is the cornerstone of the Church — I always thought it was Christ.

    But if I take you seriously, you are talking about white Russians. Which indicates by your own advocacy that whites are responsible for the mess of the Church. So even the expulsion won’t sole for white predelictions of destroying the church you claim just needs white people. That is no a dillemma you can answer. It’s an internal logical conundrum.

    But while we are at it – I am curious where this line of analysis you claim to western purity comes from. You have the Catholics and the Orthodox Churches because of several disagreements that had noting to do with skin color but Papal Authority and practices which had nothing to do with skin color. They battle over how to celebrate Easter, but many of the deciding issues were entirely political as opposed to scriptural. Its white squabbling about political power tat gets extended into the congregation.

    Then there is the matter of spreading the gospel as each of the Apostles make clear if the direct mandate of Jesus. I am just curious where the mandate of biology comes from. It’s not mentioned by Christ or even hinted by the Apostles. In fact, Paul goes on to repeat the message of the Apostles when he states

    “In Christ their is neither, jew, nor gentile . . . etc. ”

    But according to you he does say there is black and white, or yellow and brown – i am just curious where Christ is among your advocacy, the Church is afterall the bride of Christ. Yet the Apostles don’t contend for biological or cultural purity, but purity as outline, and delineated by Jesus.

    Your perspective seems out of alignment with the founders. maybe this failure resides there. But even beyond that explicate the failure of the Orthodox Churches — outside of Russia. The orthodox pope doesn’t reside in Russia.


    What I find interesting is that in this discussion about how to save the Church, no mention of Christ who is alive and well as founder and cornerstone. That is interesting. Even the Apostles reference Jesus, incessantly.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  238. Among all the dumb statements in this bizarre essay, the following is probably the dumbest: “Sam’s wish reached posthumous fulfillment in the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville. ” Actually, Sam’s wish reached fulfillment in the election of Donald Trump. It is clear that Jones, and nearly all other critics of Sam, know nothing about elite theory in political science.

  239. @EliteCommInc.

    You are not causing me grief. You are actually helping to accelerate the collapse of the RCC. Only pope Frannie is doing a better job:

    Frannie kisses black feet. It is cucked Western males who are the root of the problems in the West.

    There are theological issues that need to be discussed. However, discussions implies intelligence. Intelligence is related to IQ. IQ is related to race.

    I know what’s in the Bible. The Bible deals with beliefs. I deal with biology. Biology is first, beliefs second. A person’s beliefs and the the quality of their character is determined by biology. The Bible does not deal with IQ and race.

    I still am a Christian, but Christianity will have to be examined so that it does not damage the biology of the West. Jesus is a historical figure and the past 2000 years of Western history cannot be understood without studying Jesus and His teachings.

    I do not need religion to argue against polygamy, gay marriage, most divorce and abortion, and even some types of birth control. Again, what is needed for these discussions is intelligence. Only the Caucasoid race has the intelligence for these kinds of discussions.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  240. 4justice says:
    @Flint Clint

    Just because Steven Pinker likes to claim Jews are smarter (but only the Ashkenazi variety he makes a point to mention) does not make it true. Jews are more effective at collective in-group behavior due to the clever, if mendacious, tactic of their leaders terrorizing them into protecting the tribe at all costs. They do this by telling them that every non-Jew in the world hates them due to jealousy and is just waiting for the next opportunity to kill them. It is an effective strategy for living off of a host society that is built on higher principles of cooperation and contributing to the good of the whole, but it is worthless without such societies to leech off of. The claim of mental superiority is a spell used to rationalize their corrupt acquisition of disproportionate power in a host society. We must not fall for it.

    Western Jews have no claim to Palestine. They need to be included because they are here, but they need to be stopped from the practice of overrunning a society to the intolerable point which elicits a destructive reaction, as Ginsberg points out in his book Fatal Embrace. We need to protect them from themselves and Catholicism seems to be the most effective philosophy toward that end, but if there is another means to do it without leading to chaotic and thus ultimately counterproductive means, I am open minded. I am only talking here about the pragmatic case for Catholicism, not the theological case. There are, in my mind, very important moral considerations, but I am sticking to the practical considerations in this comment.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  241. @4justice

    “Western Jews have no claim to Palestine. They need to be included because they are here,…”4

    No, Jews are not Western. They do not belong in the West. Even though I put Ashkenazi Jews in the Caucasoid category, they are ethnically and/or religiously Jewish. The West is not black/Asian/Jewish/Muslim. Jews in the West will be sent to Israel.

    Also, Ashkenazi Jews have high intermarriage rates with blacks/Asians.

    I’m a cradle Catholic who left the RCC because I don’t accept black/Asian priests-popes. The Orthodox Church with its racial/ethnic churches will the new church of the West. The RCC has a new trinity: homos, groids, gloids.

  242. “Frannie kisses black feet. It is cucked Western males who are the root of the problems in the West.

    There are theological issues that need to be discussed. However, discussions implies intelligence. Intelligence is related to IQ. IQ is related to race.

    I know what’s in the Bible. The Bible deals with beliefs. I deal with biology. Biology is first, beliefs second. A person’s beliefs and the the quality of their character is determined by biology. The Bible does not deal with IQ and race.

    I still am a Christian, but Christianity will have to be examined so that it does not damage the biology of the West. Jesus is a historical figure and the past 2000 years of Western history cannot be understood without studying Jesus and His teachings.

    I do not need religion to argue against polygamy, gay marriage, most divorce and abortion, and even some types of birth control. Again, what is needed for these discussions is intelligence. Only the Caucasoid race has the intelligence for these kinds of discussions.”


    I don’t think you understand the colloquial meaning of “just giving you grief”.

    IQ has a relationship with genetics for sure how much of that is linked to race is more than questionable. We don’t know the code for IQ, if there is one and we aren’t close to limiting out the role of environment and the dynamics of the same regarding biology. Sure you don’t get there by making a standard for one group and then applying the same to another that has no such history of inclination — though that has been the careless model in play since eugenicists began the superiority gambit by IQ testing. That is a game designed with a no lose proposition in either direction hopscotching as intellectual truth. I have no objections to IQ genetic discovery. I don’t even have any knee-jerk opposition to genetics and color research — However, I like to clear about what the issues in play are and part of that goes to modeling.

    Hmmmm . . . scripture is so comprehensive that I am sure one could fairly accurately discern the best meals to eat for one’s physical well being. However, on the matter of what it means to be in relation to God — scripture says practically nothing. And it says nothing because it has but the same in value. The belief central to scripture and a relationship with God supercedes biology by making it clear that man’s spirit is the all encompassing issue – not biology. Fat, short, lean, tall, muscular, deformed . . . white skin or blue — the Bible relegates those issues to nothing in having a full relationship with God through Christ – christians. The Church as the body of the living God is all designed around that purpose effecting the relationship with God, and the people of god with each other. And that predicated soley on belief/faith and practice as established by God. And apparently biology is just not a significant factor, and least of all anything as benign as skin color is utterly ignored. Not a single Apostle engages in the rhetoric of color politics. The only time any particular critique of a people is made it is by Paul when he says a certain type of people are liars. it took me a while to get by the generalization until I looked up the reference. B ut beyond that all of this advocacy about western christianity being in some manner superior is akin to the play be Jews to advocate that their faith is superior to Christianity and the play by the faithful of the Messianic Jewish congregations to make the same play — It simply is not supported anywhere in scripture. In fact the use of these intellectual national contingencies is a hinderance to faith.

    Pastor Francis kisses the feet of others as reflection of the practice of service. That the leadership is not their for their own stead, but for the stead of those they represent. And if one reads scripture, one gets it, Christ washes the feet of the Apostles — the Son of God, the Word became flesh — washed the feet of his students — such that even if western christians were in some way superior in the tradition of Jesus — they are to wash the feet of the lessers, serve the lessers — and their biology is simply a nonissue. That we make it so — is a human foible, not a staple of Jesus.

    For the followers of Christ to make biology over faith is a peculiar upside down perspective of Christianity. And I think it is laudible of you to admit that you think Christ is wrong. That is a discussion you will have to take up with him. But according to the Apostles and i tend to agree with them — Jesus is alive and well living today and what he taught 2000 years ago is alive and well today and resides in the lives of the saints and based on the same has no biological barriers nor any unique identifier to any human tradition: western, africa, asian — not skin color, hair color, nor any physical manifestation is a substitute or superior first consideration to that call.

    ll of which is my concern, the Apostles everyone whose writings we have used Jesus and the meaning of Jesus constantly in their discussions — but you and advocates like you — never once has what Jesus said escaped your lips that is in line with scripture. It’s all about the rulings of some congregational authority in an argument with some other congregational authority — which is fine — but in complete contradiction to your conclusions — those debates are among whites leadership as you have proffered it. So whites beating each other up over issues of faith many if not all of which Paul either condemns outright, says doesn’t matter, such as the debate about unleavened bread — the Apostles make it clear these debates over food are worthless to faith. Yet Catholics and Orthodox Churches have been at each others throats — despite the fact the founders say plainly — is a worthless issue. Again, based on your own advocacy — and alignment — that’s whites contradicting the Apostles. Note: leavened , unleavened bread is in fact — biological and despite being renounced as a matter of concern by the Apostles — their they are whites in all kinds of descension – even to violence over a nonissue to faith. A factor of biology that has no value to salvation. So one has to wonder about the superior nature of western whiteness when so many have been misled by these issues they battle over – when the Apostles make it clear — those issues are irrelevent — by your own stance — whites have mislead millions about the nature of faith and christ.


    “I do not need religion to argue against polygamy, gay marriage, most divorce and abortion, and even some types of birth control. Again, what is needed for these discussions is intelligence. Only the Caucasoid race has the intelligence for these kinds of discussions.”

    First, as the western tradition in your view is all about whites, the above issues and advocacies are created, manifested by whites. So if there exists so higher intelligence or ethics among whites — your own arguments contradict that any fault lies with nonwhites. And as such there’s no reason to mention anyone other than those you claim own superior states as whites. It has been whites of the faith who advocate for these matters you say are destructive.

    Second, I agree, there are plenty of reasons to reject the perspectives that whites and no small number of them so called christians have invited as normal and healthy practices in society, as you reference that can effectively be rebutted without raising the matter of God. And i think christians would be well advised to know how to do just that. Laugh, I am not such sure intelligence of whites based your own analysis has any answers to that question. Further what manner or how much intelligence is required to engage in such discussions is without any quantification. Note: highly intelligent whites, whites of renown, of power, influence, etc. are the ones who have advocated the positions you introduce. So even if one wanted to grant out white intelligence, intelligence to resolve what intelligence has fostered to the ill — seems a wash at best and a position destined to failure and further needless debates and manifestations bred by people with this supposed superior intellect. Hardly a positive prospect. Laughs, whites seem heck bent on introducing these notions as normal into the main — and then you claim that same intelligent group have solutions.

    So it would seem that intelligence is not really the answer based on your own arguments. I would suggest first having the most effective perspective of what advances human existence to growth and sustaining the same. Given the choices by whites as it seems in population decline — whites do not have the healthiest and most effective perspectives on how to maintain society as by your own words, the evidence indicates they are advancing a regressive modality, and that inspite of having what some might say is the upperhand regarding power —

    So white intelligence as you play it out is detrimentaland it is destructive. And it is destructive in two vital ways:

    1. the very core and purpose of christianity and

    2. the very core principles of human existence , minus any reference to faith. As an aside, i guess that “K” strategy is hardly conducive to existence, certainly less so that the God given strategy of “go ye forth and multiply. ohh that’s in the Bible . . .

    Based on your own commentary, if humans want to survive and grow — as secular society or that as christian society —- following whites, may get shirt term benefit of a better toilet, but in the end is a path to self destruction and one should avoid the leadership of the concepts you proffer.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  243. @EliteCommInc.

    When American blacks get their own state, you will be sent there.

  244. “When American blacks get their own state, you will be sent there.”

    The hardly answers the issues. I am bemused by your response — if I am incorrect you are welcome to point that out and state how or why.

    But your response open another hurdle i would be interested in you jumping — the constitutional amendments required to legitimately by force move anyone from point A to point B.

    I don’t have any knee-jerk response to segregation as long as it abides fair and equal status, and treatment. Though I doubt blacks would have me among their midst considering my conservative views. But that aside — make a legitimate constitutional case for your stated goal.

    And by the way


  245. jsolbakken says: • Website

    “Rich people “captured the institutions.””

    The ideology of “rich people” today is Globalist Liberalism, which is a type of Satanic Marxism.

    There are “rich” people who do not share this religion/ideology, so, therefore, you are incorrect to use the blanket term “rich people” in this context.

  246. @attilathehen

    Franny kisses black feet only because the cardinals restrain him from sucking black d**k. But in his ridiculousness and absurd pronouncements, Franny is helping to bring down the curtain on the farce that was Vatican-2. So, in a way, his papacy will have been useful.

    V-2 was just another facet of the post-WW2 society, when, it seems, our “best” and “brightest” everywhere lost their collective minds.

  247. @Franz

    I will leave you to think about one thing. What is the origin/meaning of culture ? I’ll give you a hint : cult, civilize , domestication.

    • Replies: @Franz
  248. Franz says:

    “What is the origin/meaning of culture ? I’ll give you a hint : cult, civilize , domestication.”

    Or as the Oxford English Dictionary puts it:

    Middle English (denoting a cultivated piece of land): the noun from French culture or directly from Latin cultura ‘growing, cultivation’; the verb from obsolete French culturer or medieval Latin culturare, both based on Latin colere ‘tend, cultivate’ . In late Middle English the sense was ‘cultivation of the soil’ and from this (early 16th cent.), arose ‘cultivation (of the mind, faculties, or manners)’; sense (3) dates from the early 19th cent.

    As I read it, a modern savage on the Amazon River is more right than most of us. He gives a tincture to cure a child of a small ailment. He is asked: Will it work? He says: The Spirits will decide.

    Spirits in his view: Us, here, on this riverbank; plus the sum total of all of those who came before us here now (including the shamans who had the idea for the tincture), and hoping that the child will carry us forward to the future in which we personally will not be here but all that we build, cherish and protect will still be here.

    Humans are unique, the Canadian heretic Michael Bradley (RIP) once said, because we are the only beast that cultivates time as if it were a garden. But distracted, humans are the lowest beast because when they cannot cultivate their time, they can only destroy the time cultivated by others.

    Like primitive peoples all over the world; for instance, those who want to live peaceably on the Amazon.

  249. @Viktor Templeton

    Hey, Vik:

    You wouldn’t look so stupid if you didn’t misspell so many basic words.

  250. bluefire says:

    I surely reject Abraham and all his pomps, and also Moses and his genocidal deeds, and likewise Joshua, the ancient model for the present-day “spy on ’em, prostitute ’em, infiltrate ’em, invade ’em, kill ’em, steal the rest.”

    I reject any and all association with the prostitute-genocidaire Esther.

    I reject a god who counsels, “Dash their children upon the rocks” (those rocks being named Mrs. Rabbi Randi Weingarten’s public school system, and holocaustism’s Anne Frank, and Drag Queens in libraries) one breath away from “If I forget o Zion let my right hand be forgot.”


Current Commenter

Leave a Reply - Comments on articles more than two weeks old will be judged much more strictly on quality and tone

 Remember My InformationWhy?
 Email Replies to my Comment
Submitted comments have been licensed to The Unz Review and may be republished elsewhere at the sole discretion of the latter
Commenting Disabled While in Translation Mode
Subscribe to This Comment Thread via RSS Subscribe to All E. Michael Jones Comments via RSS
The Shaping Event of Our Modern World
Becker update V1.3.2