RSSThanks for the perceptive comment. I agree with many of your points; especially on the need for a multi-varied analysis on the question of societal performance. In my view; economic outcomes are determined by 4-5 key variables: cognitive capital, cultural capital, institutional capital and geographic capital. The relative importance of the variables will differ by society; and each of these variables can be expanded on at length; but i'll focus on the cognitive component which I agree is criminally neglected by academics and theoreticians. First, with regards to the smart fraction theory; it's a concept which I used to substantially agree with; but have recently reconsidered its validity in terms of predictive power. Basically I think the average is more important than the smart fraction; both because the mean in large part determines the size of the smart fraction; and because the examples of India and Pakistan demonstrate the limitations of the Smart Fraction Theory in predicting economic success.The 3,000+ Jāti caste system makes it incredibly difficult to estimate India's mean IQ; and the test results given by Lynn are imo unreliable and unreflective of Indian genotypic realities. But I think it's reasonable to use British test results as a proxy for South Asians in general. I've written an in-depth post on this subject here: https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-racial-reckoning/#comment-5751004. Basically I think Indian genotypic IQ ranges from 92-95. If I had to give a single number it would be 93. Of course there will be significant regional and caste variation in the modal figure; but averaged out I think 93 is a reasonable estimate of South Asian IQ. Now if we assume that the standard deviation for Indian IQ is 15, we can calculate z-scores and quantify the number of smart fraction Indians (IQ 130+). For a population of 1.4B people, and a mean IQ of 93; that would come to 9.5 million Indians with 130+ IQ. If the mean is reduced to 92, the smart fraction would congruently decrease to roughly 8 million. If we increase mean IQ to 94, it would amount to 11.5 million. So for all intents and purposes we can estimate India as containing 8-11.5 million cognitive elites. Pakistan would come to 1.3-2.3 million given the same parameters. By comparison, the United States with 330 million people and a mean IQ of 100 would count 7.5 million IQ 130+ individuals. The United Kingdom with 66 million people would count 1.5 million cognitive elites. The statistics tell us that there are more smart Indians than smart Americans; and more intelligent Pakistanis than intelligent Britons. To shift to the less reliable anecdotal plain; I think we've all met sharp Hindus and Muslims from the subcontinent; they're certainly out there - and in large numbers too. The problem then is why are India and Pakistan giant shitholes? These two countries are closer to Nigeria and Congo in per capita GDP than to Vietnam or Mexico. Even war-torn countries like Syria and Ukraine maintain more functioning economies than India and Pakistan. The smart fraction theory has little to answer on this question. The solution will lie in the averages. India is a nation of gypsies and Jews. The latter are launching rockets into space; while the former are moving around in bullock carts. There is a large reservoir of intelligent and civilized Indians like Nehru, Gandhi, Rajagopalachari, Tata, Tagore, Sen etc; but they are outnumbered 100 to 1 by the Sher Singhs and Narendra Modis. The Jews in India are being dragged down by the Gypsies. The Jews have created isolated pockets of civilization and prosperity in India; but its clear that they are insufficient in proportion to the overall population. If India had a mean IQ of 100; you can bet on the situation looking very different; regardless of the defects which are abundant in Indian culture. Despite the population differential; Britain outmatches India in number of Nobel laurates by a magnitude of 12 to 1. I believe culture and institutions play a role; but averages matter because they impact these two variables. Especially in a democracy where the average taxi-driver has as much political power as the average scientist; the common man will determine the shape of institutions. Their behavior and cultural conditioning matter.You mention Lee Kuan Yew; whom I agree was a remarkably pragmatic and effective leader; but he had the autocratic power necessary to bend institutions to his will. In India only Nehru had the prestige and power to affect change; but he failed owing to his democratic inclinations; lack of economic realism; and lack of courage to tackle endemic corruption in India. Manmohan Singh was intelligent and good-willed but he could not meaningfully reform the system. But we'll leave the discussion of political systems to another day.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Triteleia Laxa, @Sher Singh
Vague capitalism works. Institutional functioning is what best enables it. That is derived from many factors, but a key and often ignored factor is the smartness and size of the smart fraction. The United States absolutely dominates there and so dominates economically. This is why people from Arkansas are richer than those from Hong Kong. The Arkansas people are lifted up by the brightest and most dynamic Americans.
I need time to respond to this, after some reflection. It is high quality and densely packed with observations. I’ll get back to you.
Your total inability to attribute anything positive to nationalists speaks volumes.
More black and white thinking. I attribute many positive things to nationalists, like myself and coconuts.
FYI, I have a life-affirming vision for Europeans. Not one where their nations are treated like hotels or exploitable economic zones, and not one where they themselves are seen as replaceable cogs. Not one where they vanish out of existence.
Weird to state you have an affirming vision and then only give a bunch of nots.
I am not such a great hereditarian that I think culture counts for nothing.
Say something about us white people that isn’t riddled with disdain.
A nationalist would be able to formulate some policy.
And yet you’ve done no such thing.
Your refrain seems to be that everything will self-correct, that things have never been so good, and nationalists should not concern themselves with it because they are terrible people anyway.
Things will be ok, they haven’t been better and nationalists, if we want to influence the future, should be better people.
No nationalist would make apologia or endorse the status quo
I’m with white people. That’s all. Through disagreements with my ideas and agreements.
As for my own policies, I’d end all non-white migration to Britain bar an exhaustively selected 1000 a year. I would also offer all non-white people in Britain £100,000 as a payment for them leaving and giving up their citizenship forever. Furthermore, I would reduce a British couple’s income tax by perhaps 5 or 10% per child they had.
The intention, and the sun’s might need to be adjusted, would be to return to a positive TFR, centred on the middle class and above, as well as to return to Japanese levels of demography.
Isn't it odd that you put yourself first? And only mention one other person from this blog, who has posted recently, and not someone with a telegram channel or who has written books or articles? Or put out other communication? Or even a satirist on twitter?
I attribute many positive things to nationalists, like myself
You don't think a life-affirming vision is a contrast to the current state of things? What else would it be, unless you are trying to affirm things as they are - to be an apologist for it? Such as when you say:
Weird to state you have an affirming vision and then only give a bunch of nots.
"[Things] haven't been better" seems to be a totally exclusive statement. Like you cannot acknowledge that a single thing was better in the past, let alone manifold things. Suggests materialism (while actually ignoring negative economic trends) and lack of spiritualism.
Things will be ok, they haven’t been better
Why repeat myself endlessly? If you have read my comments, at all, you know I have proposed dozens of things, such as earlier in this very thread, sending Somalis to Somaliland. Or opening up other cities like Singapore, specifically for cosmopolitans, and for people who think we need to meet en masse to exchange ideas. Re-establishing and subsidizing a moral cultural center for Europe, to compete with the degenerate messages from America. I would open up a bureau to solicit and test ideas, including ones that might seem off-the-wall, like turning man-catching into competitive sport, with tourism encouraged, as is done with big-game hunting in Africa.
And yet you’ve done no such thing.
I find this phrase very alienating. I do not seek an identity based entirely on skin color. For example: I see no need to make an attempt to encompass Chechens. And frankly the term "white" is easy to exploit as an attack against Europeans, to deracinate them, while stealing their identity, and villainizing them.
us white people
Well, that is something, but £100,000 must be considerably less than most would receive over a lifetime. Minimum conditions for anyone accepting it would be to stop existing wealth-transfer, including DIE. I even wonder how many countries would accept them, without the threat of significant force or other bribes being applied.
As for my own policies, I’d end all non-white migration to Britain bar an exhaustively selected 1000 a year. I would also offer all non-white people in Britain £100,000 as a payment for them leaving and giving up their citizenship forever.
It is how I chose to respond to the unnecessary rudeness in his random interjection. I stand by it one hundred percent.
Nevermind that the last comment before that one he wrote to me was another random interjection to accuse me of being a narcissist psychopath sociopath.
Pointing out that I am not his mother and that he has serious mother issues is merely giving back his messed up energy to him.
But thanks for your intervention. It sort of demonstrates you care. Not enough to withhold judgement prior to actually looking back a little bit, but enough to write down your first reaction. That’s something.
Yes, you’ve won. Absolute total victory. Now go and enjoy exactly how this success of yours makes you feel.
Afraid nationalists just don't say stuff like this:
I am a nationalist
Doubtlessly, there is a carve-out for a certain amount of race-realism that isn't nationalism. I would suggest that both you and Hanania would fit into this category.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
So when those attitudes turned out to be based on hysteria and hatred, that did it for nationalism.
You’re proving my point. There’s nothing positive in your vision. Just bitterness, resentment and hatred all around, except for Jews, whom you seem to have incredible respect for.
In fact, how you perceive white people appears to be exactly how you don’t want white people to be, Meaning that you have nothing but contempt for us, and how you perceive Jews is how you want white people to actually be instead, meaning you have tremendous respect for them.
My personal belief is that Britain would have been much better off if it had implemented and enforced an immigration policy equivalent to Japan’s. But the immigrants to Britain, and their descendants, are not hateful, or unpleasant, or deserving of cruel treatment. Most are great people, like most people, even you, though you might want to discover that last bit. You should try “loving kindness” meditations off YouTube.
You are just categorizing me into your pre-exisiting rubrik of contempt for nationalists, due to your lack of sympathy with them. Your total inability to attribute anything positive to nationalists speaks volumes. It also suggests to me that you do not follow any nationalists, or else do not like any, but only hate-read them.
There’s nothing positive in your vision.
Is this a great insight, or a hackneyed an obvious one? I am not such a great hereditarian that I think culture counts for nothing. And in my experience, there are few such people.
In fact, how you perceive white people appears to be exactly how you don’t want white people to be
Honestly, I selected Hanania because he was the best illustration of which I could think. I am open to considering other examples, if you can think of better, but I doubt you can because he seems to be the paragon of it.
except for Jews, whom you seem to have incredible respect for.
Musing about the past requires no investment, while in the present, you make apologia.
My personal belief is that Britain would have been much better off if it had implemented and enforced an immigration policy equivalent to Japan’s.
You seem to mistakenly assume the goal of life is to accumulate the most physical things possible
No, and nothing I’ve written should give that impression. You’re projecting again. We were discussing economics, therefore economic production was a relevant point.
so for your, the “wealth” of people in Arkansas is impressive.
It is undoubtedly an impressive economic achievement.
Yet, there is more spontaneous joy and happiness in a village without running water in the jungle in the Philippines than in the soulless Walmart-driven suburbs of any Arkansas town. And I have been to both – I doubt you have. I doubt you’ve ever been out of a large liberal city, and you’ve certainly never been out of European civilization
Sometimes there is and sometimes there isn’t. And I’ve been to plenty of places, thank you. And not as some halfwit backpacker who thinks he is spiritually enlightened but can’t even get over his mommy issues.
Similarly, human beings are much happier living in poorer but more equal societies
I’ve heard this from every halfwit backpacker I’ve ever met in those poorer countries. They romanticise the locals but never get to actually know them. Relying on their ignorant first impressions, that the locals are so keen to make good. Usually the locals have secret rude names for those deluded dirty foreigners, in one case equivalent to “stray dog.”
Capitalism
Your entire ranting description of what you perceive as “capitalism” might also serve as a description for you mum. This is not a coincidence. You merely see your own shadow. Try to learn to understand that shadow, rather than project it everywhere. You’ll feel better.
But hey, statistically, they are wealthier than people in Hong Kong, not to mention that village in the jungle. And that’s what matters – how many “points” you’ve accumulated in the game of life.
I’m sorry you feel deep down that you’ve lost at the game of accumulating points in life. But honestly, most people don’t care.
I know; I was just using you as a springboard to introduce a new topic. It seems that not many people here are interested in discussing economics.I assume most are vaguely capitalist; but again few here have written about their economic views. It would be nice to have some intellectual discussions going on the sidelines. Where’s AaronB when you need him?Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Greasy William
My comment was nothing but an amusing quote from Hayek. Sorry that wasn’t clear.
Vague capitalism works. Institutional functioning is what best enables it. That is derived from many factors, but a key and often ignored factor is the smartness and size of the smart fraction. The United States absolutely dominates there and so dominates economically. This is why people from Arkansas are richer than those from Hong Kong. The Arkansas people are lifted up by the brightest and most dynamic Americans.
Hayek solved why socialism fails. The market is an information processing machine. Socialism is akin to thinking you can get alpha by stock picking, but also by putting the most inept in charge of picking stocks, and making them pick absolutely everything. Capitalism is putting your money into an index fund. Index funds win every time. Socialism could just about function in agrarian and tractor producing economies. It is ridiculous now, and only something that totally ignorant people or ideologues propose.
Obviously pure capitalism also fails, despite people not wanting it to, because it results in politically undesirable outcomes and people rebel.
Probably what is is also what should be.
If a mediocre country’s elite really want to improve that country then applying the basic international consensus on economics is a good idea, but that is just a start. The real work is in the stuff LKY did. Relentlessly making institutions better. Institutions are gigantic pieces of technology based around established processes and procedures for improving these processes. If you understand this, you’ll also understand why the Russians are failing in Ukraine and cannot fix themselves. Their military processes are all broken and cannot be changed in the course of months or even years. Dominic Cummings also writes about this in relation to the British civil service. This stuff is hard and involves crushing institutional interests to improve them.
Other than that, eugenics/culture can help, but the timeline is extremely long and the intelligence of the average person matters more for how they organise their own life than it does for the economy. Most jobs just don’t require much brightness, and they require less and less, not more and more.
There. Solved. Lol.
Small investors can use index finds as a strategy because large and active investors are pushing the information discovery.However, active investors can have stupid ideas. ESG index funds under perform better constructed alternatives: (1)
The market is an information processing machine.
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Capitalism is putting your money into an index fund. Index funds win every time.
Cherry picking data could find some funds that outperformed in a specific time frame. However, ESG carries huge risk related to government support for uneconomic "green" investments. When those subsidies go away -- Losses will be large & sudden. Remember the Solyndra fiasco.PEACE 😇
ESG causes pension investment strategies to underperform passive fundsThe IPFI also found an increase in the prevalence of ESG and other alternative pension investment strategies. The institute has argued that pension funds should not use ESG to select investments because their fiduciary duty is to maximize participants' returns. It also said that ESG, in general, underperformed passive investment strategies, which further explains why so many state pensions are struggling to perform.The institute also looked at the use of proxy advisory firms and found that the use of their recommendations by public pension funds does not benefit returns. According to the study, of the five worst-performing state pensions, four were relying on services from proxy advisory firms. Additionally, South Dakota, which had the best-performing state pension, did not take assistance from such firms.The IPFI calls on state pension funds to return to their fiduciary obligations by focusing entirely on the financial returns of their investments.
Thanks for the perceptive comment. I agree with many of your points; especially on the need for a multi-varied analysis on the question of societal performance. In my view; economic outcomes are determined by 4-5 key variables: cognitive capital, cultural capital, institutional capital and geographic capital. The relative importance of the variables will differ by society; and each of these variables can be expanded on at length; but i'll focus on the cognitive component which I agree is criminally neglected by academics and theoreticians. First, with regards to the smart fraction theory; it's a concept which I used to substantially agree with; but have recently reconsidered its validity in terms of predictive power. Basically I think the average is more important than the smart fraction; both because the mean in large part determines the size of the smart fraction; and because the examples of India and Pakistan demonstrate the limitations of the Smart Fraction Theory in predicting economic success.The 3,000+ Jāti caste system makes it incredibly difficult to estimate India's mean IQ; and the test results given by Lynn are imo unreliable and unreflective of Indian genotypic realities. But I think it's reasonable to use British test results as a proxy for South Asians in general. I've written an in-depth post on this subject here: https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-racial-reckoning/#comment-5751004. Basically I think Indian genotypic IQ ranges from 92-95. If I had to give a single number it would be 93. Of course there will be significant regional and caste variation in the modal figure; but averaged out I think 93 is a reasonable estimate of South Asian IQ. Now if we assume that the standard deviation for Indian IQ is 15, we can calculate z-scores and quantify the number of smart fraction Indians (IQ 130+). For a population of 1.4B people, and a mean IQ of 93; that would come to 9.5 million Indians with 130+ IQ. If the mean is reduced to 92, the smart fraction would congruently decrease to roughly 8 million. If we increase mean IQ to 94, it would amount to 11.5 million. So for all intents and purposes we can estimate India as containing 8-11.5 million cognitive elites. Pakistan would come to 1.3-2.3 million given the same parameters. By comparison, the United States with 330 million people and a mean IQ of 100 would count 7.5 million IQ 130+ individuals. The United Kingdom with 66 million people would count 1.5 million cognitive elites. The statistics tell us that there are more smart Indians than smart Americans; and more intelligent Pakistanis than intelligent Britons. To shift to the less reliable anecdotal plain; I think we've all met sharp Hindus and Muslims from the subcontinent; they're certainly out there - and in large numbers too. The problem then is why are India and Pakistan giant shitholes? These two countries are closer to Nigeria and Congo in per capita GDP than to Vietnam or Mexico. Even war-torn countries like Syria and Ukraine maintain more functioning economies than India and Pakistan. The smart fraction theory has little to answer on this question. The solution will lie in the averages. India is a nation of gypsies and Jews. The latter are launching rockets into space; while the former are moving around in bullock carts. There is a large reservoir of intelligent and civilized Indians like Nehru, Gandhi, Rajagopalachari, Tata, Tagore, Sen etc; but they are outnumbered 100 to 1 by the Sher Singhs and Narendra Modis. The Jews in India are being dragged down by the Gypsies. The Jews have created isolated pockets of civilization and prosperity in India; but its clear that they are insufficient in proportion to the overall population. If India had a mean IQ of 100; you can bet on the situation looking very different; regardless of the defects which are abundant in Indian culture. Despite the population differential; Britain outmatches India in number of Nobel laurates by a magnitude of 12 to 1. I believe culture and institutions play a role; but averages matter because they impact these two variables. Especially in a democracy where the average taxi-driver has as much political power as the average scientist; the common man will determine the shape of institutions. Their behavior and cultural conditioning matter.You mention Lee Kuan Yew; whom I agree was a remarkably pragmatic and effective leader; but he had the autocratic power necessary to bend institutions to his will. In India only Nehru had the prestige and power to affect change; but he failed owing to his democratic inclinations; lack of economic realism; and lack of courage to tackle endemic corruption in India. Manmohan Singh was intelligent and good-willed but he could not meaningfully reform the system. But we'll leave the discussion of political systems to another day.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Triteleia Laxa, @Sher Singh
Vague capitalism works. Institutional functioning is what best enables it. That is derived from many factors, but a key and often ignored factor is the smartness and size of the smart fraction. The United States absolutely dominates there and so dominates economically. This is why people from Arkansas are richer than those from Hong Kong. The Arkansas people are lifted up by the brightest and most dynamic Americans.
Putin chose to invade Ukraine. Ukraine did not invade Russia. You’re probably someone who beats their spouse and thinks they actually attacked you, because your fists are bruised.
But I don't find the idea that support for nationalism has suddenly organically collapsed in the past 10 years plausible, at least in the UK. There used to be a far-right party until it imploded in the early 2010s. It was marginal but organised enough to have some local councillors and a couple of MEPs; some organised far-right presence had been a fixture in British politics since the 30s. Attempts to register and organise a successor group appear to have faced a variety of obstacles from institutions and the police. At the same time the evolution of politics during the past decade does not seem to have been unfavourable to this sort of party among its usual support base.
I don’t think this is any harder, except that what would make a nationalist party would have even less support.
I wonder if awareness of these issues is growing in different parts of the population due to demographic change, at the same time as it has less and less of a place in the mainstream political parties. In the past I think more mainstream concerns about ethnicity and identity still had a natural place in the major parties, this started changing relatively recently, then especially since the spread of Woke attitudes in the last couple of years. So there may be a current of opinion that doesn't yet have much of an expression.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
I totally agree, but the proponents of such, including myself, were never able to separate that out from the hateful behaviour of our fellow travellers. Just look at the comments on Unz and the general insanity.
But I don’t find the idea that support for nationalism has suddenly organically collapsed in the past 10 years plausible, at least in the UK. There used to be a far-right party until it imploded in the early 2010s.
I do.
Racist attitudes are much diminished, and those attitudes, unfortunately, turned out to be the vast majority of their appeal.
So when those attitudes turned out to be based on hysteria and hatred, that did it for nationalism.
The anti-nationalists were right about why the vast majority of nationalists supported nationalism, even though they were wrong about the best of nationalism itself and how it would make a better country for living in.
Polls on these issues now seem to show divisions growing rather than disappearing.
Nationalism requires government action and any poll that doesn’t balance off supposed support for nationalist action with the cost, isn’t getting an honest answer.
E.g are you against multiculturalism and do you want your neighbour deported?
The elections are the best polls as they include trade-offs and nationalist parties could have been voted for many, many times, but never really were. That’s just a fact.
So there may be a current of opinion that doesn’t yet have much of an expression.
Anyone can go to the relevant parts of the internet and find places to make that expression, but audiences for such are tiny. It has literally never been easier given that we are connected to it 24/7 by super easy smartphones, yet never have fewer people done so.
I am a nationalist, so it isn’t like it is pleasing to admit all of this stuff, but all of the excuses for the fact that people never really voted for genuinely nationalist politics and avoid engaging with nationalist ideas are just so much hot air.
People buy illegal drugs, pirate films, queue for days for the latest iPhone, engage in difficult jobs and all manner of things that are not completely easy, and literally everyone does some of these things, yet nationalists have been blaming things like getting censored off YouTube for the lack of nationalist popularity. This is absurd. There are no serious barriers to engaging with nationalist content, nor making it, nor organising. Yet the numbers involved are miniscule. This is because most people are completely unpersuaded and disinterested.
My basic thesis as to why this is is that many can see the value of the ideas, but balk at the cost of racism, hatred and putting the types of people who end up as nationalists in charge. They therefore dislike us. And that is clear. I can talk about nationalist politics and get away with it because I’m just about the most delicate, sensitive and empathetic conversationalist there is, when I want to be. But the basic ideas are extremely unpopular because of the costs quite reasonably associated with them. And all of the nationalist excuses for that just seem limp and pathetic to non-nationalists.
The only excuse I’ll say is this: once marginalised, nationalism ended up chock full of marginal personalities, and has never recovered from being controlled by so many with antisocial and otherwise poisonous traits. Sane and reasonable nationalists are often immune to noticing this because their standard for sane and reasonable is a tiny minority of a tiny minority. That is the sane and reasonable people within nationalism. They therefore have incredibly low expectations. But look around at the comment board at Unz for example. These people are the worst. And they absolutely dominate most nationalist movements. Normies are correct for rejecting us as whatever our abstract policies might be, they’d actually result in putting these people in charge, and that would be infinitely worse than the status quo.
Afraid nationalists just don't say stuff like this:
I am a nationalist
Doubtlessly, there is a carve-out for a certain amount of race-realism that isn't nationalism. I would suggest that both you and Hanania would fit into this category.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
So when those attitudes turned out to be based on hysteria and hatred, that did it for nationalism.
I was thinking about something a bit different when I posted that part, about a newer version of nationalism that maybe only exists at the moment in an embryonic form. This would be in different areas of the D/R, plus the 'post-liberal' sphere (I also had in mind 'Red Toryism' and 'Blue Labour' in the UK), it will be able to reach people that the current one can't. Nationalism has evolved a few times over the decades as the political context has changed, it seems possible it will happen again because of the changing demographic situation in a lot of European countries, questions about identity and ethnicity become harder not to notice. The woke focus on white supremacy and European culture and history just sort of reinforces this.
Anyone can go to the relevant parts of the internet and find places to make that expression, but audiences for such are tiny.
It's likely that the 'doctrine' or body of ideas needs some updating to take into account the new situation, where people will have more familiarity with different ethnic groups from interacting and living near them and will have a different sort of interest in these issues. I think I am coming across it more irl lately, just it feels like the right ideas to express it haven't been identified yet.
My basic thesis as to why this is is that many can see the value of the ideas, but balk at the cost of racism, hatred and putting the types of people who end up as nationalists in charge.
If it reemerges in a more mainstream form I would guess the people leading it will be quite different. I've heard different predictions from political scientists that at some point in the future the mainstream parties will start to reclaim some of this. It seems weird for example when Sargon of Akkad remembers Burke but the Conservative Party seems to have forgotten.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
The only excuse I’ll say is this: once marginalised, nationalism ended up chock full of marginal personalities...
Well the “duplicitous orientals” trope is an old one; so you are hardly the first person to notice or mention it. I’d like to point out though that other East Med + adjacent groups were also included in this duplicity club; Greeks, Jews, and Armenians. I don’t think I need to elaborate much on the “swindling Jew” trope; but I was reading Mark Twain’s Innocents Abroad and he lumped Turks, Armenians and Greeks in as part of the pathologically dishonest “dogs of Constantinople” crowd:
Was described as Levantine, typical of the people of the eastern Mediterranean. I have found a little of the same amongst the Egyptians–basically a lack of honesty in them.
I’m open to the idea that East Meds are more dishonest than the average bear; but I’d like to see some empirical evidence. Stereotypes can be accurate at times; inaccurate at others. They are susceptible to the availability bias. There’s also a question of the “inherentness” of the dishonesty; wether it is biological in basis or cultural. Indians are likewise stereotyped as being duplicitous (at least the Beniya and Marwari merchants); the Chinese renowned for cheating in higher education. But the American-born (and socialized) Indian and Asians I knew didn’t strike me as being much different from other Americans; perhaps because they have assimilated into Anglo norms of fairness and honesty. But again, empirical evidence is needed on that front.Bias of Priene once remarked that “the majority are wicked”. Samuel Johnson concurred with this in one of his Rambler Essays; so I don’t think Westerners are uniformly honest either. I think the normal distribution may apply here; where most are both honest and dishonest depending on occasion, some are pathologically dishonest, and a few on the other extremity are unfailingly upright. This would apply to every society, but the average point would differ. But these are speculations; I’m sure some experiments could be devised to measure these things more rigorously. You can’t use individual/anecdotal examples; otherwise I could just as easily compare Nehru to Trump and conclude Indics are more honest than Germanics. There will always be some overlap between the groups; that’s why it’ not a good idea to take a determinist view.
Commercial morals, especially, are bad. There is no gainsaying that. Greek, Turkish and Armenian morals consist only in attending church regularly on the appointed Sabbaths, and in breaking the ten commandments all the balance of the week. It comes natural to them to lie and cheat in the first place, and then they go on and improve on nature until they arrive at perfection. In recommending his son to a merchant as a valuable salesman, a father does not say he is a nice, moral, upright boy, and goes to Sunday School and is honest, but he says, "This boy is worth his weight in broad pieces of a hundred—for behold, he will cheat whomsoever hath dealings with him, and from the Euxine to the waters of Marmora there abideth not so gifted a liar!" How is that for a recommendation? The Missionaries tell me that they hear encomiums like that passed upon people every day. They say of a person they admire, "Ah, he is a charming swindler, and a most exquisite liar!"Every body lies and cheats—every body who is in business, at any rate. Even foreigners soon have to come down to the custom of the country, and they do not buy and sell long in Constantinople till they lie and cheat like a Greek. I say like a Greek, because the Greeks are called the worst transgressors in this line. Several Americans long resident in Constantinople contend that most Turks are pretty trustworthy, but few claim that the Greeks have any virtues that a man can discover—at least without a fire assay.
It’s funny you mention Hayek because I was reading into libertarian political philosophy lately; as an antidote to all the leftist (Orwell, Russell, Chomsky etc.) works I’ve been reading over the past year. I’m temperamentally inclined towards the right; but my status as an non-Westerner allows me to take a detached view of Western political battles. So far I’m more impressed with the intellect of leftist thinkers; but I do acknowledge that the capitalist camp is basically correct in the grand scheme of things. However, both the libertarians/capitalists and socialists/communists err in that they neglect non-economic variables when assessing the feasibility of their political systems; chief among them culture and genetics. Reading them is like watching a baby try to navigate in the dark; they get so enthusiastic about some Latin American country adopting their favored political-economic plan; then start scratching their head when it all doesn’t work. Some of them write whole books on how, if only the Third World country adopts property rights; or on the other side; rise against the plutocrats; then Honduras will turn into Switzerland overnight. Very naïve and wrong-headed.I have to appreciate the leftist concern with the poor and marginalized though. They’ve certainly been very helpful to the Palestinian cause; especially Norman Finkelstein, a truly ethical and humane scholar. On the other hand; the libertarian right also deserves great credit for combating the destructive ideology of socialism. Interestingly; if you count the number of major thinkers on either side; you’ll find they basically amount to a dozen or so people; a substantial portion of which were Jews. Think of Ludwig von Moses, Murray Rothbard, Milton Friedman, Noam Chomsky, Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Marx etc. Pretty remarkable. The history of 20th century Western political thought is in large part just a Jewish intellectual slug-fest; with some gentile foot soldiers aiding in the background.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
Hayek is equal best Hayek.
My comment was nothing but an amusing quote from Hayek. Sorry that wasn’t clear. Hayek, of course, being genuinely brilliant, but liable to some of the criticism you allege.
Schopenhauer, Lacan, Nietzsche and late Wittgenstein are worth a read.
I know; I was just using you as a springboard to introduce a new topic. It seems that not many people here are interested in discussing economics.I assume most are vaguely capitalist; but again few here have written about their economic views. It would be nice to have some intellectual discussions going on the sidelines. Where’s AaronB when you need him?Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Greasy William
My comment was nothing but an amusing quote from Hayek. Sorry that wasn’t clear.
Yeah, Kolomoisky is such a big guy for the US and Zelensky that Zelensky recently had the anti-corruption police raid his home and the US have had him under sanctions for quite some time as well as banning him from visiting. If Jews control the US and Kolomoisky is a hero to Jews, how is this possible?
The corrupt and venal freak plays both sides, but has been vocally pro-Putin in recent years as Ukraine has looked to clear out the scumbags, while Putin will always invite them in, like Yanukovich and Medvechuk and all those those and losers.
As for Andrew Joyce’s criticism of Ukrainian nationalism, it is typical of the loser supposed right. Someone somewhere is having success and he can’t stand it, so the cattiness comes out. A politics of jealousy is a politics of bitter incompetents. Go back to obsessing over how Jews hypnotically made you a pervert or whatever you normally do.
It's most likely a combination of political and actual things they have done. They were active during the demos of 2012 (Balotnaya and such). Yes, they do have some hooligan type of acts, which is of course impossible to excuse, they are absolutely combative, I won't deny that. But they have had friends who were actually persecuted, tortured by the Russian police, murdered in custody, so it's not a one side thing at all. Clearly, the regime finds them very dangerous. And there are two aspects here, from the pov of them being ethno nationalists, they are dangerous, and from the pov of some of their activity.
That may be their version, but who knows if it’s the whole truth.
The MMA part is just the subculture, but he does have some organizational skills. Btw, he lived in Switzerland for a while, but was removed from there for organizing such a right wing MMA "self defense" club. LOL I know it's a little "bad", I won't deny that but he's just a typical Russian "sporty" type:
I don’t see how that’s a recommendation tbh.
I doubt it. I think the Ukrainian intelligence are too busy. I need to read up on what really happened there, but it doesn't appear that it is that hard to cross the border. Remember all those drones that just swarmed parts of Russia? Russia is totally exposed.
If Ukrainian intelligence indeed aided their incursion into Russia, what the hell were they thinking
I'm not entirely sure about this. There are two Russian groups fighting - the Legion Freedom of Russia and this group, RDK, the Russian Volunteer Corps (right wing ultras). They are doing actual fighting in very difficult locations. So at least in that regard there is a practical effect.
The practical effects are non-existent
The leader visited Britain to train some British nationalists about 7 years ago. The nationalist group in question were well-meaning early 20 something and fun, though of course they got horrible publicity. The two I met and spoke to a few times, from the group, were bright and decent individuals and they liked this Russian MMA nationalist.
They have a relatively long history of international club visitations and such. Denis created a rather big MMA network. It was started already in Russia (but he left Russia and lived in the West for a very long time).
The leader visited Britain to train some British nationalists about 7 years ago.
The publicity is much worse than what they actually are (but they themselves generated with their visuals which is all part of it). These are basically young masculist ethnonats who want to live their youth and strength to the fullest. What I like the most about them is that they are at least willing to give some serious self-discipline a try and they realize that the biggest struggle is always within yourself. They also wear decent clothing, and typically do not smoke or drink alcohol.
The nationalist group in question were well-meaning early 20 something and fun, though of course they got horrible publicity
Yes, they are quite bright (but I wouldn't call them intellectuals, although some of them do read) and better looking than average. They want Russia to be pro-European in the traditional sense (not multi-culti, etc).
The two I met and spoke to a few times, from the group, were bright and decent individuals.
The Ukrainian Bakhmut is a Tartar borrow-word meaning something like “Warhorse”. I don’t know why white people like the Ukies would use Tartar words.
Most white people aren’t totally pathetic and can use words from any language they want without feeling threatened or insecure.
Like Chicago.
I think she's real, I can even understand to some extent how she can accommodate her nationalism with the pro-LGBT stance - there is a lot of rationalization there, but some of the criticism towards alt-right is valid. I don't share that position fully (the pro-woke side), but I understand it. And, btw, she is absolutely right about the situation on the ground in Ukraine. Maybe she's just a bit too optimistic and forceful about it (there are still big 'ifs'..), but it is an accurate assessment - and it matches with what a lot of competent Ukrainian officers say, except that these Ukrainian officers are way, way more cautious in their assessments and also recognize the hardship and the high costs. I think she's picking on you now because you do display what may be perceived by some as "weakness" sometimes, as in, you are sometimes willing to concede your opinion (you hold your opinion but also try not to be categorical - for more primitive minds this is a "weakness") and you present both sides - as in, you state something that is obvious about the situation (e.g., "yes, Russia attacked Ukraine illegally"), but then you follow with "But..." (and then you present your contrarian opinion, which appears closer to what you truly believe and which is very different from the pro-Ukrainian position). I think this might trigger some people (but I do recognize that thought process, since I often catch myself with that same type of thinking in my private thoughts, it allows me to see both sides, but it doesn't show for a consistent position, it's even a bit frustrating because you end up floating among two positions and have to strain yourself to produce a consistent position). Btw, I also want to apologize for being rude to you previously, I shouldn't have used cuss words when communicating with you. I was very upset and frustrated about the atrocities in Ukraine.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @German_reader, @Yahya
But I’m not sure Laxa is even a real person.
with the pro-LGBT stance
I’m with white Europeans, and therefore I’m with openness to LGBT to some degree.
Otherwise, I have no personal issue with such people, except T are deluded and often trying to force others to provide supply to their delusions, and LG are sexually dysfunctional.
I don’t think this makes me “pro-LGBT” by any ordinary definition.
I think she’s picking on you now because you do display what may be perceived by some as “weakness”
Close. I dislike unagentic views. I dislike things being stuck in the unconscious and I am willing to point this out, kindly or cruelly, to those who might snap out of it. I encourage people to know themselves.
Maudlin and victim-centred politics, which are the opposite of this, are the worst and particularly galling when criticising Ukrainians, who have more right to those politics than most, but the courage to not end up as whiny losers anyway.
Basically, man or woman, own your stuff, even your vulnerabilities, and don’t pretend they are those of whatever group you’ve decided to scapegoat for your own unacknowledged insecurities or perceived inadequacies.
Anyone who can do this is fine by me.
I'm not sure why you think this. On the specific example of forming a nationalist political party (I think we were talking about something like this?), why would it be easier to do now in the UK than before? Why think it is easier to engage in online propaganda for causes like this now, compared to say in 2015-16?
Given that the ease of politically mobilising is higher than ever...
You could see it in positive terms as ethnocentrism based on love and appreciation of one's own ethnic group, how it has sustained and helped give its members life, its cultural inheritance and so on. People might want to protect their group and ensure it endures in the face of future uncertainties. But I think the end result will be similar to what I described if the predictions around demographic change prove correct.
People don’t want to be racist because, absent starvation and privation, people want to be kinder than that.
Without hate speech laws and Holocaust memorial day and similar teaching, I think it would have gradually faded from popular memory, given that political antisemitism was never a big thing even before these were instituted and plenty of people were already against it. Zemmour's description of the treatment of the Holocaust in French culture in the 80s-90s reminded me of the UK, apart from anti-Semitism being a bigger thing in pre-1945 French politics.
It wouldn’t matter if the government took it seriously or not in the UK.
I think these sorts of people have always shaped and led public opinion everywhere.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
...but that’s only because the vast majority of people dislike it, especially the most successful, intelligent, decent and law-abiding.
I’m not sure why you think this. On the specific example of forming a nationalist political party (I think we were talking about something like this?), why would it be easier to do now in the UK than before?
I don’t think this is any harder, except that what would make a nationalist party would have even less support.
Why think it is easier to engage in online propaganda for causes like this now, compared to say in 2015-16?
I don’t count that as a sufficiently different era when we’re talking about history, but it is likely not harder than then anuway. The added censorship is counteracted by the proliferation of other platforms that anyone can visit if they want, and by the even more terminally online nature of near everyone.
You could see it in positive terms as ethnocentrism based on love and appreciation of one’s own ethnic group, how it has sustained and helped give its members life, its cultural inheritance and so on. People might want to protect their group and ensure it endures in the face of future uncertainties. But I think the end result will be similar to what I described if the predictions around demographic change prove correct.
I totally agree, but the proponents of such, including myself, were never able to separate that out from the hateful behaviour of our fellow travellers. Just look at the comments on Unz and the general insanity.
Is this unfair? Not really. It just is. No one wants to follow the kind of scum that so frequently rose to the top of nationalist movements. Some were good people, but the average was not. We should recognise this fact easily.
And given a choice of the status quo or the Daily Stormer, I’ll pick the status quo every time. As would anyone sane. The multicultural elites were bad, but everyone else was worse, which I guess means the elites weren’t so bad after all.
Without hate speech laws and Holocaust memorial day and similar teaching, I think it would have gradually faded from popular memory, given that political antisemitism was never a big thing even before these were instituted and plenty of people were already against it. Zemmour’s description of the treatment of the Holocaust in French culture in the 80s-90s reminded me of the UK, apart from anti-Semitism being a bigger thing in pre-1945 French politics.
Probably, but I don’t think the Holocaust is important to what people think now anyway. Except about the “Holocaust never happened and we’d do it again” lot, obviously, as they come across ludicrously psychopathic.
But I don't find the idea that support for nationalism has suddenly organically collapsed in the past 10 years plausible, at least in the UK. There used to be a far-right party until it imploded in the early 2010s. It was marginal but organised enough to have some local councillors and a couple of MEPs; some organised far-right presence had been a fixture in British politics since the 30s. Attempts to register and organise a successor group appear to have faced a variety of obstacles from institutions and the police. At the same time the evolution of politics during the past decade does not seem to have been unfavourable to this sort of party among its usual support base.
I don’t think this is any harder, except that what would make a nationalist party would have even less support.
I wonder if awareness of these issues is growing in different parts of the population due to demographic change, at the same time as it has less and less of a place in the mainstream political parties. In the past I think more mainstream concerns about ethnicity and identity still had a natural place in the major parties, this started changing relatively recently, then especially since the spread of Woke attitudes in the last couple of years. So there may be a current of opinion that doesn't yet have much of an expression.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
I totally agree, but the proponents of such, including myself, were never able to separate that out from the hateful behaviour of our fellow travellers. Just look at the comments on Unz and the general insanity.
You’re not wrong, but he gave it out repeatedly, so I gave it back. Did I escalate? Absolutely.
Do I regret it? A little. Or at least I would substantially, if I didn’t assume any apology wouldn’t be returned with some catty comment. I could be wrong. Let’s see
@German_Reader
I am sorry for my harshly personal words, actually without regrets, no matter your response. So I am sorry unreservedly.
Well she's dead now. F. Hayek described Thatcher after they met as the most beautiful creature he had ever seen.
You are in the company of Hitler, Cecil Rhodes, Teddy Roosevelt, and of course the completely deranged old hag, Thatcher.
Hayek is equal best Hayek. Sorry Yahya:
I don’t have many strong dislikes. I admit that as a teacher — I have no racial prejudices in general — but there were certain types, and conspicuous among them the Near Eastern populations, which I still dislike because they are fundamentally dishonest. And I must say dishonesty is a thing I intensely dislike. It was a type which, in my childhood in Austria, was described as Levantine, typical of the people of the eastern Mediterranean. But I encountered it later, and I have a profound dislike for the typical Indian students at the London School of Economics, which I admit are all one type–Bengali moneylender sons. They are to me a detestable type, I admit, but not with any racial feeling. I have found a little of the same amongst the Egyptians–basically a lack of honesty in them.
If I advise speaking about honesty, I think honesty is really the best expression of what I call the morals of a civilized society. Primitive man lacks a conception of honesty.
Well the “duplicitous orientals” trope is an old one; so you are hardly the first person to notice or mention it. I’d like to point out though that other East Med + adjacent groups were also included in this duplicity club; Greeks, Jews, and Armenians. I don’t think I need to elaborate much on the “swindling Jew” trope; but I was reading Mark Twain’s Innocents Abroad and he lumped Turks, Armenians and Greeks in as part of the pathologically dishonest “dogs of Constantinople” crowd:
Was described as Levantine, typical of the people of the eastern Mediterranean. I have found a little of the same amongst the Egyptians–basically a lack of honesty in them.
I’m open to the idea that East Meds are more dishonest than the average bear; but I’d like to see some empirical evidence. Stereotypes can be accurate at times; inaccurate at others. They are susceptible to the availability bias. There’s also a question of the “inherentness” of the dishonesty; wether it is biological in basis or cultural. Indians are likewise stereotyped as being duplicitous (at least the Beniya and Marwari merchants); the Chinese renowned for cheating in higher education. But the American-born (and socialized) Indian and Asians I knew didn’t strike me as being much different from other Americans; perhaps because they have assimilated into Anglo norms of fairness and honesty. But again, empirical evidence is needed on that front.Bias of Priene once remarked that “the majority are wicked”. Samuel Johnson concurred with this in one of his Rambler Essays; so I don’t think Westerners are uniformly honest either. I think the normal distribution may apply here; where most are both honest and dishonest depending on occasion, some are pathologically dishonest, and a few on the other extremity are unfailingly upright. This would apply to every society, but the average point would differ. But these are speculations; I’m sure some experiments could be devised to measure these things more rigorously. You can’t use individual/anecdotal examples; otherwise I could just as easily compare Nehru to Trump and conclude Indics are more honest than Germanics. There will always be some overlap between the groups; that’s why it’ not a good idea to take a determinist view.
Commercial morals, especially, are bad. There is no gainsaying that. Greek, Turkish and Armenian morals consist only in attending church regularly on the appointed Sabbaths, and in breaking the ten commandments all the balance of the week. It comes natural to them to lie and cheat in the first place, and then they go on and improve on nature until they arrive at perfection. In recommending his son to a merchant as a valuable salesman, a father does not say he is a nice, moral, upright boy, and goes to Sunday School and is honest, but he says, "This boy is worth his weight in broad pieces of a hundred—for behold, he will cheat whomsoever hath dealings with him, and from the Euxine to the waters of Marmora there abideth not so gifted a liar!" How is that for a recommendation? The Missionaries tell me that they hear encomiums like that passed upon people every day. They say of a person they admire, "Ah, he is a charming swindler, and a most exquisite liar!"Every body lies and cheats—every body who is in business, at any rate. Even foreigners soon have to come down to the custom of the country, and they do not buy and sell long in Constantinople till they lie and cheat like a Greek. I say like a Greek, because the Greeks are called the worst transgressors in this line. Several Americans long resident in Constantinople contend that most Turks are pretty trustworthy, but few claim that the Greeks have any virtues that a man can discover—at least without a fire assay.
It’s funny you mention Hayek because I was reading into libertarian political philosophy lately; as an antidote to all the leftist (Orwell, Russell, Chomsky etc.) works I’ve been reading over the past year. I’m temperamentally inclined towards the right; but my status as an non-Westerner allows me to take a detached view of Western political battles. So far I’m more impressed with the intellect of leftist thinkers; but I do acknowledge that the capitalist camp is basically correct in the grand scheme of things. However, both the libertarians/capitalists and socialists/communists err in that they neglect non-economic variables when assessing the feasibility of their political systems; chief among them culture and genetics. Reading them is like watching a baby try to navigate in the dark; they get so enthusiastic about some Latin American country adopting their favored political-economic plan; then start scratching their head when it all doesn’t work. Some of them write whole books on how, if only the Third World country adopts property rights; or on the other side; rise against the plutocrats; then Honduras will turn into Switzerland overnight. Very naïve and wrong-headed.I have to appreciate the leftist concern with the poor and marginalized though. They’ve certainly been very helpful to the Palestinian cause; especially Norman Finkelstein, a truly ethical and humane scholar. On the other hand; the libertarian right also deserves great credit for combating the destructive ideology of socialism. Interestingly; if you count the number of major thinkers on either side; you’ll find they basically amount to a dozen or so people; a substantial portion of which were Jews. Think of Ludwig von Moses, Murray Rothbard, Milton Friedman, Noam Chomsky, Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Marx etc. Pretty remarkable. The history of 20th century Western political thought is in large part just a Jewish intellectual slug-fest; with some gentile foot soldiers aiding in the background.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
Hayek is equal best Hayek.
You were shilling for Russia’s masterful encirclement of Ukrainian forces more than a year ago. What came of that?
That’s why Russia was able to march up to Kiev’s doorstep so easily – most of the Ukrainian forces are in the East, where they are in the process of being encircled.
As American saying puts it, “Never say never”. LOL.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
forever safe
This is fair, but they’ve done pretty well. Certainly better than anyone would ever have expected. Even if you disagree with them, you can respect them for that. If Russia could only do so then Russia might try to make friends of them, rather than guarantee them as enemies.
You’re just an old and impotent SJW.
He says what’s nice. That they’re pleasingly dense. Sometimes the basic things in life are the best. Like entering a warm room from the cold, a soft feeling blanket or a cool breeze.
I don't think my point was too confusing. You just have to distinguish between the interests of the ruling elites and those of the entire population.
I can say with confidence that I found the gist of that article to be incomprehensible.
If there was the kind of enormous media power that you claim, what would they do and then delete from public consciousness?
I know you think, with your tortured arguments, that this is what has happened, but ask yourself why aren’t they taking advantage of it in much more advantageous ways?
My hypothesis is that things are not top down. You hypothesis involves some version of people achieving total power and being totally incompentent, yet maintaining that power and doing nothing that makes any sort of sense.
I can see why you like your version. It flatters you greatly. I just can’t work out how you persuade yourself that it is logical.
You’re right that this madness is pointless, and yet you cheerlead for Putin and his invasion.
Thatcher had Putin’s number decades ago, and she noticed how little regard he had for the lives of his people.
After 2014 coup “Ukrainian” and “intelligence” do not go in the same sentence. Ukie Nazis never had the brains to at least hide their crimes. Just like Banderites took photos of women and children they murdered during Volhynia massacre, their admirers in 2022 and 2023 shot videos showing how they torture and murder Russian POWs. Only hopelessly dumb criminals would boast of their crimes and document them. And they do.Replies: @German_reader, @Triteleia Laxa
Is Ukrainian intelligence really stupid enough to publicly endorse these Neo-nazi low-lifes?
They seem to have escaped Russian domination, which is quite a feat. Kyiv, Kharkhiv and Kherson are now forever safe from Russian rule and places like Belarus can only hope to one day be in a similar position.
As American saying puts it, “Never say never”. LOL.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
forever safe
Almost nobody is interested in taking thesis vs. antithesis to the level of synthesis.
Transcendental thinking is just not something that comes naturally to most people.
The truth is that people who think they disdain sharp categories end up implicitly obsessing over them and vice versa.
Only the superficially non-hierachical thinkers could come up with something as rigid and divided as the intersectional totem pole. It just must not be explicitly spoken.
The difficulty with paradoxical thinking and seeing one’s own assumptions what drives most of the passion in politics. As people dramatise that which they cannot see and blame whomever they think they’re against.
Is Ukrainian intelligence really stupid enough to publicly endorse these Neo-nazi low-lifes?
Can you ever write something correct. Ukraine did not endorse this. They expressed some schadenfreude, which is more than understandable given that Russia hundreds of thousands of troops engaged in these type of activities every day in Ukraine. Re-read my last post to you. And re-read it again.
Did he wrote for the Daily Stormer?
Yes, but the probability, speed and decisiveness of such a breakthrough is directly related to the amount of Western support. I am doubtless that the Ukrainians think they can do it in June and they’ve been shown to have a good judgement of their abilities so far, but long range missile systems, and potentially other technological surprises, would end this war more quickly and be good for everyone, but Putin himself.
Saker’s commenters are ridiculous. Everything the Saker wrote for years has been definitively demonstrated as fan fiction. He left in total and deserved shame.
Mean words? Are you genuinely that stupid? The context as I understand it (and unless you can factually correct me, just shut up) was that the children of Donbass separatists would be hiding in cellars because of shelling from the Ukrainian army during its anti-terrorist operation. This actually happened in 2014/2015. Just because the Russians are now cynically using that background to justify their own (probably even worse) war crimes and imperial fantasies, doesn't negate the fact that Ukrainian nationalists dealt with the crisis that started in 2013/14 in anything but "peaceful and democratic" fashion (imo quite counter-productively so).Probably not surprising that you have intimate knowledge of videos made for teenagers by trannie influencers. With your deep ignorance you come across like a member of the TikTok generation yourself. But unfortunately since we're increasingly in some sort of war euphoria, your attitude of course is seen as socially desirable and is rewarded by the powers that be.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Hapalong Cassidy
mean words taken out of context.
doesn’t negate the fact that Ukrainian nationalists dealt with the crisis that started in 2013/14 in anything but “peaceful and democratic” fashion
Look, you aged and neurotic hausfrau, you got all shrill over the Ukrainian President supposedly “gloating” and compared it to the twice-in-a-decade Russian invasion of Ukraine. You’re the most maudlin and pathetic commenter on a website chock full of them. I assume your idea of defending yourself from a foreign invasion would involve you trying to shame the younger generation of your own country for not feeding and f*cking the foreign soldiers because you’d be jealous of them. Of course the Ukrainian response involved some excess and of course it involved some violence. Their country was invaded. But they did not act like the Iraqi militias who you probably get all hot over, or the Taliban, or any other number of barbaric forces. They instead defended their country against their much larger neighbour and did so with surprising humanity. People like you are despicable. All weepy and raw over your own, mostly self-caused, “misfortunes”, resentful that no one takes you seriously and then prissy and judgemental over the imperfect manner in which others handle real serious problems. You’re marinated in your own grievances and not worth the air you breathe. Get a grip. No one listens to you because no one wants to be like you. Your wretched misery surrounds your every word. You are the beginning and the end of your own humiliation, so blather on about TikTok and disrespect and provocations all you want. You just look bitter and frail and stupid.
“Big Serge” is the person who was writing that “it is a super smart ambush by Russia” every time Ukraine re-conquered large swathes of its territory. The man is a moron.
The Russian offensive was tried and it has failed. Confirmed destructions of Russian equipment demonstrate this. Kofman is right and has probably been the best and most measured voice on Ukraine throughout.
I would like to suggest an alternative to all these theories
Big Serge was a proponent of the various “feint” theories and various Russian false retreat but actually ambush theories. When he suggests an alternative, it means he is making up pro-Putin fan fiction.
At the moment, Russia has the initiative across the front.
Russia has been conducting a failed offensive for two months, while Ukraine builds its forces for its own advance and attrits the Russian force. You can call this ‘the initiative” if you like…I suppose. But the last two Ukrainian offensives were great successes, while Russia hasn’t had anything that can respectably be called a success since 7 months ago and even that was a prelude to disaster for them, as they spent their professional force achieving it.
Ukraine’s reserves are in a tenuous state right
Not true.
As a sort of metaphor for this, there are already rumors that some of Ukraine’s new Leopard tanks will be sent into combat around Bakhmut rather than held in reserve for a future offensive.
I can’t read any more. I’ve never seen such a bizarre attempt to grasp at straws. As a ‘metaphor” there are “rumours” of something that would be circumstantial evidence at best for his theory.
The man is an idiot. He has a track record of idiocy. Little different from Baghdad Bob.
I agree that Ukraine should be sent everything it needs to finish this war as quickly as possible. That is in everyone’s interests, including the Russians. I even still believe that Biden could just tell Putin that “enough is enough” and for him to f*ck off home, but I accept that my belief is based on much less information and understanding than that of Biden’s advisers. Still, Russia is achieving nothing but inflicting misery on Ukraine and losing a generation of their own soldiers. They should just f*ck off home and absolute c*nts like Big Serge can f*ck off with their fan fiction “theorising” too.
He’s literally supporting Russia in a war of aggression. He needs late life therapy to make meaning of himself, not political grievance obsessions.
According to Hope Not Hate, racism of all sorts has been increasing every single day, week, month and year for decades, even as I basically never encounter it. Their alternate universe must make for wonderful fantasy material for National Front types.
The issue is likely to be more about political mobilisation irl, where there seem to be higher barriers than have existed for a long time (I am thinking about the UK here, I am more familiar with it). Mass membership political parties used to defend and promote counter-narratives to each other, they provided both the necessary information and a 'meat space' political community. This is less the case now.
I appreciate that there are real barriers to a counter-movement, but I can’t help but notice that organising and finding information counter to the narrative has never been easier for the vast majority of people.
I am not as confident about this in the short to middle term, because demographic change is going to speed up. I can see that overt anti-white racism may fade long term as the numbers of white people decline and their disproportionate power as a group fades, it will no longer serve a purpose. And, after their power and status is reduced, racism will be less advisable for Euro whites.
And anti-white racism will go, even as open racism against others groups will not come back.
I was in Belarus in the early 2010s, what in the West would be seen as casual racism or remnant folk beliefs about Jews were present. It seems it was because the government didn't take the issue that seriously. This was a contrast with Britain, where it was the tail end of the Holocaust commemoration era.Replies: @Coconuts, @Triteleia Laxa
It ended up utilising a giant sack with a Dollar on it. No one thought this was weird. This isn’t something that modern people, removed from starvation and privation, will ever want en masse.
The issue is likely to be more about political mobilisation irl, where there seem to be higher barriers than have existed for a long time (I am thinking about the UK here, I am more familiar with it). Mass membership political parties used to defend and promote counter-narratives to each other, they provided both the necessary information and a ‘meat space’ political community. This is less the case now.
Given that the ease of politically mobilising is higher than ever, the fact that there is much less of it reinforces my point that there is much less demand.
I am not as confident about this in the short to middle term, because demographic change is going to speed up. I can see that overt anti-white racism may fade long term as the numbers of white people decline and their disproportionate power as a group fades, it will no longer serve a purpose. And, after their power and status is reduced, racism will be less advisable for Euro whites.
You’re seeing it in all such cynical terms. People don’t want to be racist because, absent starvation and privation, people want to be kinder than that. This has led to suboptimal outcomes for the most successful countries with what appears to be the most effective genetic inheritances, except that it really is the result of people’s choices.
I was in Belarus in the early 2010s, what in the West would be seen as casual racism or remnant folk beliefs about Jews were present. It seems it was because the government didn’t take the issue that seriously.
It wouldn’t matter if the government took it seriously or not in the UK. People would no longer tolerate such a thing. They don’t want it and they don’t like it, which is why the government takes it seriously. There might be isolated cases of some people liking it and the government oppressing them, but that’s only because the vast majority of people dislike it, especially the most successful, intelligent, decent and law-abiding.
I'm not sure why you think this. On the specific example of forming a nationalist political party (I think we were talking about something like this?), why would it be easier to do now in the UK than before? Why think it is easier to engage in online propaganda for causes like this now, compared to say in 2015-16?
Given that the ease of politically mobilising is higher than ever...
You could see it in positive terms as ethnocentrism based on love and appreciation of one's own ethnic group, how it has sustained and helped give its members life, its cultural inheritance and so on. People might want to protect their group and ensure it endures in the face of future uncertainties. But I think the end result will be similar to what I described if the predictions around demographic change prove correct.
People don’t want to be racist because, absent starvation and privation, people want to be kinder than that.
Without hate speech laws and Holocaust memorial day and similar teaching, I think it would have gradually faded from popular memory, given that political antisemitism was never a big thing even before these were instituted and plenty of people were already against it. Zemmour's description of the treatment of the Holocaust in French culture in the 80s-90s reminded me of the UK, apart from anti-Semitism being a bigger thing in pre-1945 French politics.
It wouldn’t matter if the government took it seriously or not in the UK.
I think these sorts of people have always shaped and led public opinion everywhere.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
...but that’s only because the vast majority of people dislike it, especially the most successful, intelligent, decent and law-abiding.
I'm not saying that all the images are faked. I'm simply saying there's no way of what percentage have been. Here's a sentence from the Wikipedia description of the Oryx website:
Did you even bother to look at the photographs to which I linked? They weren’t from Tweets. They were photographs taken by journalists or still-shots from TV news (one of the images I linked was from Getty Images, one from AP, etc.). Are you suggesting all these are CIA fakes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oryx_(website)
The blog gained international prominence through its work during the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, counting and keeping track of material losses based on visual evidence and open-source intelligence from social media.
Sure, Macgregor was predicting a big Russian winter offensive, as were the Ukrainians in the MSM, and it hasn't yet happened, so he has a little egg on his face. But if the Ukrainian side does collapse, everyone will say Macgregor had been right all along.
Well, enough going circles. Let’s see in “a month or two” whether the Ukrainian army collapses and NATO falls apart.
Sure, Macgregor was predicting a big Russian winter offensive, as were the Ukrainians in the MSM, and it hasn’t yet happened, so he has a little egg on his face.
There was a Russian offensive. It lasted for 2 months. They suffered tremendous casualties. For example, there is a video of them losing 30 armoured vehicles in a single attack on Vuhledar, but their gains were measured in metres and their gains were measured in metres and hamlets, rather than hundreds of miles and cities.
The point is that MacGregor and every other attention-seeking loser for Putin has been predicting the total collapse of the Ukrainian military since day 1 and predicting it for tomorrow,, but the opposite has happened. The Ukrainian military has continued to strengthen. They histrionic individuals are not just wrong, they are completely utterly upside down wrong. Yet you could pretending otherwise, why?
And are you finally now willing to admit that America obviously destroyed the Nord Stream pipelines?
Nord Stream 2 is functioning. There are also other pipelines from Russia to Europe that function. Only Nord Stream 1 was inoperable. The very same pipeline that Russia had clos d under false pretences for the months preceding the explosion. What motivation did America have to go and blow up the pipelines almost exactly in accordance with Russia’s wishes?
As for a nuclear standoff, you’ve been obsessing over this all along, and using it to basically argue that Ukraine should surrender.
That isn't a legal question, it's how the Russian military and security establishment views the matter. And there can't be much doubt that for them Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet are non-negotiable core interests.
The idea that a nuclear power can defend its territory with nuclear weapons is established but Crimea is not Russia’s territory.
At a time when Russia's future was uncertain due to the recent coup and in the hope of substantial autonomy within Ukraine. Which wasn't achieved, with the consequence of serious constitutional crises regarding Crimean separatism already in the 1990s.
They voted for it in the only reliable election. The one held at the fall of the USSR.
Ok, so you'd actually be fine with mass expulsions. Just cut the verbiage.
As for expulsion, I sincerely hope that it doesn’t happen, but supporting the invasion of your country does often endnuo with expulsion
That assessment is based on what exactly? His impressive successes on the field of battle?
but Hodges is an excellent General
Yeah, too bad Russia has got those things called nuclear weapons. But I'm sure it's all bluff, what could possibly go wrong in calling it.
At the very least, it forces Russia to agree to peace to get it back or not have to humiliatingly surrender it, and Ukraine is certainly capable of getting to that point.
Admittedly that's not completely impossible, and if it actually worked like that (threatening Crimea, thereby getting Putin to end the war and evacuate all the territories annexed since February 2022, maybe allowing some internationally supervised solution like referenda for the parts of Donbass in secession since 2014), it would be a brilliant achievement, and even I would be somewhat impressed.
Your neurotic self, so prone to fall in love with psychotic grifters as they balance you out, will probably enjoy the fact that the most likely result of Ukraine successfully isolating Crimea, is that Putin makes some dumb threats, but immediately sues for peace, in order to not have to surrender Crimea and even, maybe, gets to keep it, or at least Sebastopol.
Would have been invaded even earlier, if the process for NATO accession had gone ahead in 2008 or 2014. Russia under Putin (and probably most other possible leaders) was never going to tolerate this, would have just led to an earlier "preventive" war.
The West kept Ukraine out of NATO, so Ukraine got invaded, twice.
Nah, come on, just because the Russians lie a lot and use some facts to justify unjustifiable actions of their own, one doesn't have to become totally mendacious. Things like the PM gloating over Donbass children hiding in cellars aren't what most people would associate with being peaceful, democratic etc., nor do certain influential political subcultures in Ukraine fit that description.
There’s the side that invaded a peaceful, democratic European country
That assessment is based on what exactly? His impressive successes on the field of battle?
This isn’t the age of Napoleon. Serious modern militaries are huge bureaucracies, and the relevant impressive skills stem from that. It isn’t glorious in the way that the past was, but it is effective, and why the US could waltz through Iraq in 5 weeks, on the other side of the world, and Russia can’t even take Bakhmut in a year, right on their border.
Nah, come on, just because the Russians lie a lot and use some facts to justify unjustifiable actions of their own, one doesn’t have to become totally mendacious. Things like the PM gloating over Donbass children hiding in cellars aren’t what most people would associate with being peaceful, democratic etc., nor do certain influential political subcultures in Ukraine fit that description.
There you are again, equivocating between murderous huge invasions and mean words taken out of context. How do you not die of utter self-humiliation?
Would have been invaded even earlier, if the process for NATO accession had gone ahead in 2008 or 2014. Russia under Putin (and probably most other possible leaders) was never going to tolerate this, would have just led to an earlier “preventive” war.
If Russia had attacked NATO, their invasion forces would have been immediately destroyed on the border.
Yeah, too bad Russia has got those things called nuclear weapons. But I’m sure it’s all bluff, what could possibly go wrong in calling it.
You’re still trying to argue that states with nukes are less likely to threaten and use them if they get their way by threatening them, than if they don’t.
That isn’t a legal question, it’s how the Russian military and security establishment views the matter. And there can’t be much doubt that for them Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet are non-negotiable core interests.
They said the exact same as regards Kherson and there was actually more logic to it.
At a time when Russia’s future was uncertain due to the recent coup and in the hope of substantial autonomy within Ukraine. Which wasn’t achieved, with the consequence of serious constitutional crises regarding Crimean separatism already in the 1990s.
I’m tired now and not going to look up the details (easily researchable), but why do militant Westerners like you always have to resort to such transparently dishonest pseudo-arguments? You’ve got nothing better on offer?
You apply very different standards to the different sides. You’re bizarre.
Mean words? Are you genuinely that stupid? The context as I understand it (and unless you can factually correct me, just shut up) was that the children of Donbass separatists would be hiding in cellars because of shelling from the Ukrainian army during its anti-terrorist operation. This actually happened in 2014/2015. Just because the Russians are now cynically using that background to justify their own (probably even worse) war crimes and imperial fantasies, doesn't negate the fact that Ukrainian nationalists dealt with the crisis that started in 2013/14 in anything but "peaceful and democratic" fashion (imo quite counter-productively so).Probably not surprising that you have intimate knowledge of videos made for teenagers by trannie influencers. With your deep ignorance you come across like a member of the TikTok generation yourself. But unfortunately since we're increasingly in some sort of war euphoria, your attitude of course is seen as socially desirable and is rewarded by the powers that be.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Hapalong Cassidy
mean words taken out of context.
Obviously not that.
Instead it is because his every prediction about the course of the war and geopolitics was absolutely one hundred percent wrong.
You strike me as probably being someone still in high school, or maybe studying at a junior college.
someone like General Ben Hodges, who commanded US forces in Europe and who has been mostly right for a year?
Meanwhile, someone like Bill Odom, the three-star general who’d run the NSA for Ronald Reagan, remained honest and therefore was blacklisted from all of the media.
There’s no American out there of Odom’s stature shilling for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. You think Odom would be doing a Ritter? Shilling for Russia to continue in a catastrophe that makes Iraq look like the 38 minute long Anglo-Zanzibar war?
No, the Odom here is Russian and this is him:
The chairman of the All-Russian Officers’ Assembly, retired General-Colonel Leonid Ivashov, published an appeal on his organization’s website on Jan. 31 to “the President and Citizens of the Russian Federation.” The sharply worded missive, issued on behalf of the organization, ends with the words: “We, Russia’s officers, demand that the President of the Russian Federation reject the criminal policy of provoking a war in which Russia would be alone against the united forces of the West… and retire.”
An absolutely spot on prediction from before the war and one that Russia would be far better off for having heeded.
It’s quite remarkable how so many of the same people who fell for the Iraq War story haven’t learned anything and are now falling for the Ukraine War story.
You are not only cheerleading for a war of aggression immeasurably more catastrophic than Iraq, but you’re cheerleading for a foreign country prosecuting it. You learned all of the wrong lessons from Iraq and now make even the most deranged neocon look moderate and peaceable.
There's nothing moderate or sane about Hodges' comments regarding Crimea (starting around 35 min). He doesn't even acknowledge the major risks of Crimea's "liberation" leading to a direct NATO-Russia war, quite possibly a nuclear one. Western support for such an enterprise would be seen as an attempt to deprive Russia of her Black Sea Fleet and thereby permanently cripple her as a great power, very risky gamble to think this would just be accepted by the military and security establishment of a nuclear power who are ideologically invested in her greatness.
This is what moderation and sanity sound like.
He doesn’t even acknowledge the major risks of Crimea’s “liberation” leading to a direct NATO-Russia war, quite possibly a nuclear one
You think Russia has anything like the capability to start a war with NATO? They don’t even have the capability to defeat Ukraine.
As for a nuclear standoff, you’ve been obsessing over this all along, and using it to basically argue that Ukraine should surrender. Your attitude has done more to increase the future likelihood of nuclear war than any other. Hodges most certainly addresses this. Giving into nuclear blackmail does not make nuclear war less likely. It makes it more likely.
The idea that a nuclear power can defend its territory with nuclear weapons is established but Crimea is not Russia’s territory. Any more than Kherson, which they claimed in exactly the same nonsense process, and notice how Ukraine took it back and Russia, rather than use nukes, had to suck it up and have its propaganda bots go out to celebrate that as a great victory?
Russia war, quite possibly a nuclear one. Western support for such an enterprise would be seen as an attempt to deprive Russia of her Black Sea Fleet and thereby permanently cripple her as a great power
Russia’s Black Sea fleet cannot even leave the Black Sea. That is a current fact and one which they have no capability to change. Furthermore, they have other Black Sea coastline on which they could maintain their fleet.
And even if by some miracle Ukraine does “liberate” Crimea without catastrophe, there’s the minor question of what Ukraine will do with the hundreds of thousands of Russians there who have zero interest in living in a Ukrainian national state.
They voted for it in the only reliable election. The one held at the fall of the USSR. The 103% or whatever result Russia got clearly wasn’t reliable. As for expulsion, I sincerely hope that it doesn’t happen, but supporting the invasion of your country does often endnuo with expulsion, if any actually did klmuch support it. Let’s hope that Russia’s reparation payments are enough to buy those people off.
If they really are even close to as diehard Russian as Russian propaganda, the same propaganda that claimed immense support in Kherson and was found to be completely wrong, leads you to believe.
Anyway, having seen about 50 minutes of this video, somewhat shocked that this drivel is supposed to be respected analysis, coming from a former senior general at that. It’s probably true that Ritter and MacGregor are essentially propagandists and grifters who tell disenchanted, “pro-Russian” Westerners what they want to hear. Hodges is fulfilling the same role for the NAFO crowd.
Your equivocation between the two is a result of a lot of things, none of them include anything positive. I mentioned the style and you can’t even see how someone who expresses basic doubt and uncertainty is more credible than the Ritter “I am absolutely confident” act.
I am glad that you’re not in charge of Germany and that people like Pistorius don’t have the sort of neurotic housefrau attitude that seeps out of your comments.
I know this is isn’t kind, but it is true.
Rather than deciding Hodges isn’t credible because he doesn’t fit your priors of what a credible expert on this would sound like, you probably need to re-calibrate your idea of what such a person would sound like and base your idea around him. Michael Kofman is an even better option, as he is more careful to manage his image as his career depends on it, but Hodges is an excellent General and more expert that the slew of attention-whores that roll out in bombast for Russia
You also missed a lot of the key points, while getting outraged. For example, Hodges made the fundamental point that the key ground for Ukraine is Crimea. At the very least, it forces Russia to agree to peace to get it back or not have to humiliatingly surrender it, and Ukraine is certainly capable of getting to that point.
You didn’t understand that point because you don’t even have the basic knowledge to understand why key ground/key terrain is specific terminology. I guess your ignorance is why you can’t tell the difference between grifters and Hodges. You might as well be commenting on quantum physics, while thinking you have a clue as to what you’re talking about.
The thing about war is that you always need to be considering what your actions achieve. For example, fighting for Bakhmut doesn’t achieve much of anything for Russia. The only way they can force a surrender on Ukraine is to take Kyiv, and Bakhmut is 22 times further from Bakhmut than Bakhmut is from where they started. In other words, it does get them substantially closer to victory.
Meanwhile, for Ukraine, advancing into Donbas doesn’t get them closer either. In fact, it just gets them closer to better supplied and defended Russian lines. Thereby pitching Ukrainian weakness against Russian strength.
However Crimea can be cut off and, in its isolation, can force Putin into serious negotiations. Your neurotic self, so prone to fall in love with psychotic grifters as they balance you out, will probably enjoy the fact that the most likely result of Ukraine successfully isolating Crimea, is that Putin makes some dumb threats, but immediately sues for peace, in order to not have to surrender Crimea and even, maybe, gets to keep it, or at least Sebastopol.
There is no other way to end this war, except perhaps multiple years of attrition until someone puts a bullet in Putin’s head. Or the West tells Russia it’ll intervene as it has had enough of the pointless bloodshed. Putin has made clear that he is not negotiation capable. Having invaded the country twice in ten years, he has also shown he cannot be trusted. He was literally denying that he ever would, or had, even a few days before. And if the Ukrainian government surrenders, there’ll be occupation and a gruesome wars that will continue for generations, or until the resistance wins, all with an endless supply of weapons from Poland and the Baltics.
Now I get, as a neurotic who falls in love with psychotic grifters, you want to make some argument whereby everyone else must be the model of reasonableness and restraint so as to accommodate the grifters, but they’re won’t be that. That doesn’t work. The West kept Ukraine out of NATO, so Ukraine got invaded, twice. The West de facto let Russia have Crimea, so Putin invaded the rest of Ukraine. The West never threatened Russia with anything like invasion, so Russian official proganda regularly talks about nuking the West. There aren’t two equal sides. There’s the side that invaded a peaceful, democratic European country, while saying that they would never do it, and justified it with claims of a war against Satan and Nazis. And that same side held refrenda in territory they didn’t even fully control, claiming that they’d won in landslides, to say they’d officially and lawfully annexed vast swathes of land, and would defend it with nukes. You can have your petty resentments and whine and whinge about not being respected, but have some perspective. The usually catty squabbles over progressives and conservatives are irrelevant compared to Putin bringing back industrial scale war to Europe, and in a war of genuine conquest even. If Putin succeeds, the future will be a lot more bleak than otherwise. Not just for Ukrainians, but for anyone who wants there to be as small a possibility of nuclear threatening, industrial scale wars of conquest on their doorstep again. Steel yourself. Either the escalation happens now from strength, or it happens in the future in weakness. Hodges gets that, because is a consummate professional. Pity you don’t.
As for a nuclear standoff, you’ve been obsessing over this all along, and using it to basically argue that Ukraine should surrender.
That isn't a legal question, it's how the Russian military and security establishment views the matter. And there can't be much doubt that for them Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet are non-negotiable core interests.
The idea that a nuclear power can defend its territory with nuclear weapons is established but Crimea is not Russia’s territory.
At a time when Russia's future was uncertain due to the recent coup and in the hope of substantial autonomy within Ukraine. Which wasn't achieved, with the consequence of serious constitutional crises regarding Crimean separatism already in the 1990s.
They voted for it in the only reliable election. The one held at the fall of the USSR.
Ok, so you'd actually be fine with mass expulsions. Just cut the verbiage.
As for expulsion, I sincerely hope that it doesn’t happen, but supporting the invasion of your country does often endnuo with expulsion
That assessment is based on what exactly? His impressive successes on the field of battle?
but Hodges is an excellent General
Yeah, too bad Russia has got those things called nuclear weapons. But I'm sure it's all bluff, what could possibly go wrong in calling it.
At the very least, it forces Russia to agree to peace to get it back or not have to humiliatingly surrender it, and Ukraine is certainly capable of getting to that point.
Admittedly that's not completely impossible, and if it actually worked like that (threatening Crimea, thereby getting Putin to end the war and evacuate all the territories annexed since February 2022, maybe allowing some internationally supervised solution like referenda for the parts of Donbass in secession since 2014), it would be a brilliant achievement, and even I would be somewhat impressed.
Your neurotic self, so prone to fall in love with psychotic grifters as they balance you out, will probably enjoy the fact that the most likely result of Ukraine successfully isolating Crimea, is that Putin makes some dumb threats, but immediately sues for peace, in order to not have to surrender Crimea and even, maybe, gets to keep it, or at least Sebastopol.
Would have been invaded even earlier, if the process for NATO accession had gone ahead in 2008 or 2014. Russia under Putin (and probably most other possible leaders) was never going to tolerate this, would have just led to an earlier "preventive" war.
The West kept Ukraine out of NATO, so Ukraine got invaded, twice.
Nah, come on, just because the Russians lie a lot and use some facts to justify unjustifiable actions of their own, one doesn't have to become totally mendacious. Things like the PM gloating over Donbass children hiding in cellars aren't what most people would associate with being peaceful, democratic etc., nor do certain influential political subcultures in Ukraine fit that description.
There’s the side that invaded a peaceful, democratic European country
He was wrong about the timeline but directionally right. Ukraine subsequently made major advances in Kharkiv and retook the only proper city Russia has taken in Kherson.
Ok, but Ray McGovern is still an ex middle ranker who has vastly over-sold his career success, as well as his integrity, in order to get as much attention as possible, under a thin veneer of moralism, with the underlying reality being far more whorish than a teen girl posting amateur porn.
Organic might be a good choice of word. I would agree that parts of this are an organic movement in a similar way to many influential and transformative social movements of the past. (I would wonder about race issues outside of the US, I suspect this is different.)
Billions of ideas are created and restated all of the time. But what catches on is organic.
I appreciate that there are real barriers to a counter-movement, but I can’t help but notice that organising and finding information counter to the narrative has never been easier for the vast majority of people.
As for establishment shutting down the woke, I am sure they will. The excesses of the woke will make this happen, but the direction won’t be so much backward as deleting the more extreme proposals and moving on with the best.
E.g trans kids is going, even if acceptance of non-adherence to sexual stereotypes will stay. And anti-white racism will go, even as open racism against others groups will not come back.
My romantic other went to a fancy high school in Russia in the 2010s. They recently described to me how the students put on a performance on “minorities day” and that particular one was to celebrate Jews. It ended up utilising a giant sack with a Dollar on it. No one thought this was weird. This isn’t something that modern people, removed from starvation and privation, will ever want en masse.
The issue is likely to be more about political mobilisation irl, where there seem to be higher barriers than have existed for a long time (I am thinking about the UK here, I am more familiar with it). Mass membership political parties used to defend and promote counter-narratives to each other, they provided both the necessary information and a 'meat space' political community. This is less the case now.
I appreciate that there are real barriers to a counter-movement, but I can’t help but notice that organising and finding information counter to the narrative has never been easier for the vast majority of people.
I am not as confident about this in the short to middle term, because demographic change is going to speed up. I can see that overt anti-white racism may fade long term as the numbers of white people decline and their disproportionate power as a group fades, it will no longer serve a purpose. And, after their power and status is reduced, racism will be less advisable for Euro whites.
And anti-white racism will go, even as open racism against others groups will not come back.
I was in Belarus in the early 2010s, what in the West would be seen as casual racism or remnant folk beliefs about Jews were present. It seems it was because the government didn't take the issue that seriously. This was a contrast with Britain, where it was the tail end of the Holocaust commemoration era.Replies: @Coconuts, @Triteleia Laxa
It ended up utilising a giant sack with a Dollar on it. No one thought this was weird. This isn’t something that modern people, removed from starvation and privation, will ever want en masse.
You really can’t see how you’re an even more ludicrous version of the neocons who justified invading Iraq with overblown claims of WMDs?
You’re missing your link. But good post. This is what moderation and sanity sound like. Rather than Ritter or MacGregor’s second rate bombast and blowhardism.
There's nothing moderate or sane about Hodges' comments regarding Crimea (starting around 35 min). He doesn't even acknowledge the major risks of Crimea's "liberation" leading to a direct NATO-Russia war, quite possibly a nuclear one. Western support for such an enterprise would be seen as an attempt to deprive Russia of her Black Sea Fleet and thereby permanently cripple her as a great power, very risky gamble to think this would just be accepted by the military and security establishment of a nuclear power who are ideologically invested in her greatness.
This is what moderation and sanity sound like.
Well, if the US really had a good reason to invade, rape and steal Iraq's natural resources as it did, then please enlighten the readers.As far as everybody knows, the number one excuse the Bush NeoCons came up with was that Iraq allegedly possessed dangerous WMD. This excuse turned out to be completely false, made a mockery of US diplomacy thanks to Powell waving his urine vial on a world stage, and finished off the US' moral credibility.It is now publicly acknowledged, including by Powell himself, that the Iraq WMD narrative was knowingly faked. So how does the US war crime of unwarranted aggression against a sovereign country compare with Russia's seven year-long diplomatic and humanitarian effort to stop the senseless killing of Donbass civilians?https://www.rt.com/shows/rt-interview/570965-scott-ritter-iraq-war/
And yet Sachs comes off like a complete moron in that interview. Is he unwell? He had no answer whatsoever to the following, as it is a perfect indictment of his split worldview.
Sachs is not a moron; the real moron is the "presstitute" asking the question.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
Former UN weapons inspector: Disarmament was not US goal, it wanted regime change in Iraq
RT speaks with former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter about the roots and legacy of the Iraq War.
The invasion of Iraq was bad for America. The invasion of Ukraine is catastrophic for Russia. If you can recognise the first, without being able to recognise the second, you have some serious cognitive blindspots. Probably best to use your perception to investigate those.
You wish you could even be within breathing distance of Ann Coulter.
Stefan Molyneux was an organic youtube star, with nearly a million subscribers, but they cancelled him for talking about IQ and race, even though he was a libertarian, and had somewhat environmentalist views when it comes to parenting and about good ideas and arguments winning.
As far as I’m concerned, Stefan Molyneux is a literal honorary angel. You’ll get no antipathy towards him from me.
AFAIK, Contrapoints has tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in ad revenue, and is promoted by the algorithm, and the mainstream press which are obviously vastly biased. At the very least, it is definitely not a level playing field.
While ideas like Molyneux’s have had it much harder than those like Contrapoints’, there are a lot of other ideas out there that failed to succeed and didn’t have it hard.
Furthermore, the fact is that Molyneux is basically one of a kind, while Contrapoints is one of many. Molyneux was therefore a huge fish in a small pond, but Contrapoints is one of many big fish in an ocean.
And my argument is that the ocean’s vastness is because the ideas are naturally appealing to very many, and that ignoring this fact, or blaming some conspiracy, is pathetic and cowardly. It also means that you never learn from the ideas of those you oppose because you never have to see the value in them, which is just totally self-defeating.
Indeed, if Ukraine loses and Russia later attacks the Baltics and Poland there is a chance for the draft. That’s why Zelensky is using the West to supply Ukraine with the weapons it needs, in order to defeat Russia and prevent Russia from further misadventures in Europe that would trigger Article 5.Of course, the odds of Russia attacking NATO members after taking Ukraine are pretty low (Ukraine wanted to join NATO in order to prevent such an attack). Though Russia had been demanding that NATO leave Poland and the Baltics, and quickly seizing one of the Baltic republics might be seen as a test case to see if NATO breaks (would a MAGA administration risk any American lives for Talinn?). People like Beckow are whining about “Russian rights” over there. So the odds are not zero.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
There is a non trivial chance that this could wind up with a draft in the US
Yes, you’re right. The same people would be whining about Russian rights. The same people would be decalring that it is not in their interests to help the Baltics. The same people would be ominously talking up nuclear annihilation. The same people would be eulogising Russian military prowess. The same people would be saying Putin was provoked. The same people would be blaming America. The same people would be demonising local resistance. The same people would be disingenuously claiming that the locals were the ones that stopped negotiations.
And yet the same people say it would never happen. Even though they are the same people, minus those who could admit being wrong and change their mind, who argued that Russia would not invade Ukraine.
Here is a classic Tweet from one of these same people the day Russia invaded, just after he said they’d never do it and it was all American lies:
From what I know, the Oryx website aggregates photos of destroyed tanks and other military vehicles that are sent to them, generally in Tweets. Presumably, the ones showing destroyed Russian equipment are sent to them by Ukrainian forces for propaganda purposes. That's why I call them propaganda-Tweets.
Have you even looked at the photographs? If they are “Ukrainian propaganda,” how is it that Oryx also links to photographs of destroyed, damaged, and captured Ukrainian equipment (over 3,000 confirmed)? This is what Oryx states:
By contrast, someone like Macgregor is very well connected in military circles, both with regard to the Pentagon and NATO, and he claims that his casualty figures come from Western inside sources. Maybe he’s correct or maybe he isn’t, but he comes across as quite reasonable and rational, even though he predicted a big Russian winter offensive that didn’t happen. Others who also have a strong military/intelligence background like Ray McGovern, Scott Ritter, and Larry Johnson seem to generally say similar things. Maybe they’re correct or maybe they’re not, but they seem reasonably credible sources, better than analyzing Ukrainian propaganda-Tweets.
Makes sense. Why not trust twice-convicted paedophile, who has been wrong about everything for a year, Ritter, and was a junior Officer in the military, over someone like General Ben Hodges, who commanded US forces in Europe and who has been mostly right for a year?
Yes, I know, you’re going to say that Ben Hodges has reasons to lie, as with all of the other experts who have actually been right, but Ritter has no reason to lie, nor his handful of fellow travellers who have been wrong about everything, because no one ever has loved attention, money and general notoriety, not been deluded and/or embittered and vindictive in late middle age. Literally no one. Therefore they must be right, despite having only been wrong for a year, when they also must have been right. I mean, see how absolutely certain a and confident they are! Nothing says must be right more than absolute certainty and confidence!
Russia is obviously absolutely destroying the Ukrainian military, which is why they mobilised, retreated from Kyiv, Kherson and Kharkhiv, among other places, and is stuck fighting for Bakhmut, which is a 20 minute drive from where they began the war a year ago. Nothing says “success” and could easily destroy NATO as being unable to successfully project power more than 30kms from their de facto border.
You strike me as probably being someone still in high school, or maybe studying at a junior college.
someone like General Ben Hodges, who commanded US forces in Europe and who has been mostly right for a year?
I’m ok with that viewpoint even if I disagree. I just can’t stand this cliché whereby most of the dissidents hate and disdain everything about who we are and our countries (meaning white people) yet pretend that their hate and disdain is elsewhere, and not dripping out of every assumption and paragraph that they write.
It reminds me of a particularly poisonous individual whom I know, who is always accusing perfect strangers of hating her, looking down on her and having no respect for her, but of course that is really how she feels about herself. She has literally no way of conceiving her own agency and therefore is constantly putting the blame on others for her decisions, and even creating elaborate conspiracy theories whereby everyone is making sure she looks like an idiot and it is not her fault at all. It is the pure pathology.
What fking SMO are you following to write such ridiculous nonsense? Russia annihilated Ukronazis in Chernigov, Sumy, Kiev, Nikolaev, Donetsk, Kharkov, Zaporizhia and Kherson.
It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.....
What fking SMO are you following to write such ridiculous nonsense? Russia annihilated Ukronazis in Chernigov, Sumy, Kiev, Nikolaev, Donetsk, Kharkov, Zaporizhia and Kherson.
Russia annihilated the “Ukronazis” in all of those places, which is why there are no Russians there anymore and a lot of “Ukronazis.”
Medvedev is just trying to occupy now vacant niche of late Zhirinovsky. However, Zhirinovsky was often funny and sometimes credible, whereas Medvedev is neither.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
you’re starting to sound like Medvedev.
I don’t think a dour, straight Slav can adequately replace a flamboyant, gay Jew in such a theatrical role. It’s like trying to replace Freddy Mercury as frontman of Queen with Brian May.
According to him, Zhirinovsky was only 50% Jewish (according to Orthodox Jews he was not Jewish at all): he used to say “my mother was a Russian, and my father a lawyer”.
a flamboyant, gay Jew in such a theatrical role.
Can you give some examples?
The biggest Woke names all made it huge organically via social media before the mainstream media even noticed.
Careful, you're starting to sound like Medvedev.Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Triteleia Laxa
The temptation to explain away the success of ideas you oppose without understanding why those ideas are actually incredibly appealing is something that is actually Satanic.
Careful, you’re starting to sound like Medvedev.
My definition of Satanic is darkness, as in absent the light of consciousness. Medvedev’s is just whatever he is too afraid to be conscious of. In other words, what he leaves in darkness by fear.
Can you give some examples?
Regarding the trans ideology, imo there are both financial interests and powerful lobbyist structures of the LGBTQ (or whatever it now is) movement behind it.
Don’t find it convincing that this is some spontaneous creation of teenagers, they may be one of the main targets of this ideology (and especially vulnerable), but they didn’t create it.
Billions of ideas are created and restated all of the time. But what catches on is organic.
A good example of a highly influential person, whose career took off before mainstream attention, is “Contra-Points.” He began making YouTube videos back in 2008 and honestly, some of them are pretty good.
This one on envy is excellent. Notice that it is almost 2 hours long, on a serious and philosophical topic, and not even something ignored by the mainstream, but instead outcompeted the mainstream, yet has 5 million views. What other home-produced film on something so untopical, and without any controversy, can get so many people to love it?
And yes, he is a tranny and a fairly convincing one, which you might find repulsive, but no one is watching such a long form video, on such a non-topical and dry topic, without being a big fan.
And just to add, Contra-Points has meet-up groups and WhatsApp groups, that non-tranny supporters organically started all over the world, including countries where English language media traditionally has little foothold. These are almost solely run by the young, and most often by teens. This stuff was not taught to them at school, instead they are demanding it from their teachers.
There are good and solid reasons, inherent to the ideas, for this stuff to be popular. I obviously know a lot of people who love this stuff. They are much more than averagely intelligent and often much more than averagely thoughtful. I’d also say that they are actually much more than averagely decent in their personal interactions.
Organic might be a good choice of word. I would agree that parts of this are an organic movement in a similar way to many influential and transformative social movements of the past. (I would wonder about race issues outside of the US, I suspect this is different.)
Billions of ideas are created and restated all of the time. But what catches on is organic.
You're really an absolutely bottom-of-the-barrel Neocon shill.
Or the Ray McGovern who was a mid-ranking CIA analyst, of which there have been tens of thousands
Sachs became Harvard's youngest tenured professor in history and for decades has been considered one of the world's highest-ranking academics, serving on all sorts of international boards and commissions. Meanwhile, Chotiner is just some ignorant Neocon shill, paid to insult and attack figures vastly above him in rank.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Pierre de Craon, @Emslander
Or the Jeffrey Sachs from this interview? A man who comes across like a total lunatic?
As I pointed out in my comment and have repeatedly stated, McGovern ran the CIA’s Soviet Policy group and also served as the President’s Morning Briefer on intelligence matters, which are obviously very significant positions.
No, McGovern sometimes helped prepare the PDB. The PDB is actually produced by the Director of National Intelligence, which is a position McGovern, as just an analyst, never came close to. Furthermore, the number of people who contributed in such a way as he did is likely huge. This is how vast bureaucracies work, and how every cog inflates their own contributions. Do you take every self-promoting attention seeker on the internet’s claims of previous greatness as naively?
Sachs became Harvard’s youngest tenured professor in history and for decades has been considered one of the world’s highest-ranking academics, serving on all sorts of international boards and commissions. Meanwhile, Chotiner is just some ignorant Neocon shill, paid to insult and attack figures vastly above him in rank.
And yet Sachs comes off like a complete moron in that interview. Is he unwell? He had no answer whatsoever to the following, as it is a perfect indictment of his split worldview.
You’ve been a very eloquent critic of some of the worst aspects of American foreign policy. Let’s take the Iraq War as one example. You’ve described everything Russia has done during the past twelve years—bombing civilians in Syria, bombing civilians in Ukraine, annexing Crimea, supporting separatists in eastern Ukraine—as essentially forced on them. If people described the Iraq War that way, by removing responsibility from the United States, it would make me cringe. Every Russian action you’ve mentioned is just described as the result of American behavior.
Well, if the US really had a good reason to invade, rape and steal Iraq's natural resources as it did, then please enlighten the readers.As far as everybody knows, the number one excuse the Bush NeoCons came up with was that Iraq allegedly possessed dangerous WMD. This excuse turned out to be completely false, made a mockery of US diplomacy thanks to Powell waving his urine vial on a world stage, and finished off the US' moral credibility.It is now publicly acknowledged, including by Powell himself, that the Iraq WMD narrative was knowingly faked. So how does the US war crime of unwarranted aggression against a sovereign country compare with Russia's seven year-long diplomatic and humanitarian effort to stop the senseless killing of Donbass civilians?https://www.rt.com/shows/rt-interview/570965-scott-ritter-iraq-war/
And yet Sachs comes off like a complete moron in that interview. Is he unwell? He had no answer whatsoever to the following, as it is a perfect indictment of his split worldview.
Sachs is not a moron; the real moron is the "presstitute" asking the question.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
Former UN weapons inspector: Disarmament was not US goal, it wanted regime change in Iraq
RT speaks with former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter about the roots and legacy of the Iraq War.
Sure, because terms like "non-binary" and the entire associated trans ideology were created by teenagers, a totally authentic youth culture, nothing else to see here...Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
“go achieve something if you want to be interesting rather than just coming up with bizarre names for being ordinary.”
The way RW media report on this stuff is backwards. Wokeness rose from the bottom-up. Yes, there were academic precursors, but there are billions of academic ideas that no one ends up caring about.
The trends weren’t cooked up in shadowy rooms. They were instead responded to by the most opportunistic, like any trend. RWers should learn from this. Usually “cui buono” is whomever responds faster and better. Like any successful entrepreneur. Bezoa didn’t conspire to make online shopping better than real shopping. Instead, everything was in place for it to be and he took advantage, to his tremendous personal gain.
Unsurprisingly, a bunch of old and out of touch men on the RW internet don’t know this. The biggest Woke names all made it huge organically via social media before the mainstream media even noticed. Places like the NYT then went super-Woke to try and play catch up and also went from failing and facing bankruptcy to having never been so profitable. These are facts, conceding them doesn’t make Wokeness right.
The temptation to explain away the success of ideas you oppose without understanding why those ideas are actually incredibly appealing is something that is actually Satanic.
Can you give some examples?
The biggest Woke names all made it huge organically via social media before the mainstream media even noticed.
Careful, you're starting to sound like Medvedev.Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Triteleia Laxa
The temptation to explain away the success of ideas you oppose without understanding why those ideas are actually incredibly appealing is something that is actually Satanic.
Some people on these threads appear to be interested in Russian jokes. Here is a relatively new one:
Voting base:
It is funny but I think it misses a crucial point about “non-binary.”
Non-binary means nothing more than that you sometimes relate to things traditionally associated with the other sex, while also relating to some of the things associated with your own sex.
This means that if you like babies and puppies and the news and history, then you’re non-binary.
In other words, it means absolutely everyone, as no one is such a ridiculous stereotype, and therefore it means nothing.
So to rephrase:
Young guy is chatting up a girl he likes.
She says:
– I am non binary…
He wants to impress her and says:
– Well, I identify as a person who drinks water, breathes air and sleeps regularly.
Yes, I probably don’t have a career as a professional comedian but everyone would benefit from understanding this. Stupid narcissistic teenager claims to special identity and, rather than freaking out, wise older person should basically just reply “you’re normal”, rather than playing into their frame and hyping up the extraordinariness of it. Basically “go achieve something if you want to be interesting rather than just coming up with bizarre names for being ordinary.”
Sure, because terms like "non-binary" and the entire associated trans ideology were created by teenagers, a totally authentic youth culture, nothing else to see here...Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
“go achieve something if you want to be interesting rather than just coming up with bizarre names for being ordinary.”
Holy sh*t, do not scare me. I always thought of myself as purely straight (liking beautiful women doesn't count, since everyone likes them, haha). Non-binary and binary just sounds a bit like clinical psychology.Replies: @AnonfromTN
This means that if you like babies and puppies and the news and history, then you’re non-binary.
No one in Russia is religious. It isn’t even normal to celebrate Christmas there. Not on the Russian day, nor 25th December. Though New Year’s is a big party. But you’re probably one of these people who thinks Satan has a side gig as a dance choreographer for the Grammies…
Old man writes of his hatred for his people and country for probably a litany of personal reasons, but gives it an implausible disguise of supposed morals, politics and altruism.
Not a new genre of article.
“I don’t hate us, they hate us” says hateful old man spewing hatred for us.
You couldn’t satirise it.
Seeing people misrepresent this clip has been comical to watch. It was sooooo obvious what Zelensky was saying, even without the full context, and you still had all these people using this as proof that Zelensky intended to deploy US troops against Russia. Zelensky's point was still bullshit but he wasn't suggesting that he had control over the US military. The far right has completely lost its mind.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
Don’t fall for the bullshit. The people posting this video cut off the beginning of the statement. Zelensky was saying that if Ukraine is taken over, the Russians will next attack NATO members such as Poland and the Baltics. This will force American boys to go fight in Europe.
What sort of threat to their core sense of identity must be being wrong on these issues be that they can’t even watch a clip of someone talking without one of their defence mechanisms kicking in and completely and surreally distorting their perception?
The twice convicted child groomer Scott Ritter? The man who has been wrong every single day of this war from when he announced Russia’s total victory and conquest of Ukraine a few hours in?
Or the Jeffrey Sachs from this interview? A man who comes across like a total lunatic?
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/jeffrey-sachss-great-power-politics
Or the Ray McGovern who was a mid-ranking CIA analyst, of which there have been tens of thousands if not more, who has made a lucrative post-CIA career as a talking head for foreign propaganda outlets like RT?
Of the millions of ex-employees of the US security state, a substantial number of whom are embittered old men with a deep desire for attention because that’s probable, can the Russians not find better shills?
You're really an absolutely bottom-of-the-barrel Neocon shill.
Or the Ray McGovern who was a mid-ranking CIA analyst, of which there have been tens of thousands
Sachs became Harvard's youngest tenured professor in history and for decades has been considered one of the world's highest-ranking academics, serving on all sorts of international boards and commissions. Meanwhile, Chotiner is just some ignorant Neocon shill, paid to insult and attack figures vastly above him in rank.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Pierre de Craon, @Emslander
Or the Jeffrey Sachs from this interview? A man who comes across like a total lunatic?
Hi Ivashka,
You offered to bet me on whether Belarus would join the war soon, because you thought they were about to.
Any updates on your thoughts, now that they haven’t done so and some time has passed?
I did see that Lukashenko has ordered the creation of a large citizen militia to “learn from the lessons of Ukraine.” But that seems to be learning from the Ukrainians on how to secure independence, not the other way around. Odd.
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-209/#comment-5813399
Russia is fighting NATO and losing even though NATO hasn’t yet turned up.
Where? I never said that. You are a weirdo with issues, throwing out nonsense that has nothing to do with what anyone says. You may as well yell at passing cars. Learn how to be coherent and address the topic. Otherwise we can't take you seriously.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
...I’m sorry you feel you’ve been personally demonised
What topic? Your pathetic, incoherent and often hysterical whining that some newspaper somewhere said mean words ahout your icons?
It is a FACT that Russia hasn’t even deployed its real troops yet? They just mobilised for fun? All of the videos of their exploded equipment is fake? All newspaper reports are lies? Putin just really loves being unable to take Bakhmut, a small town on the beginning line of contact, for a year, and can’t be bothered to start trying?
But he’ll start trying real soon!
Ok Mumblebrain. At least you know yourself.
If African countries adopted a 1 child policy tomorrow, and aimed to have half of women not even do that, resulting in a 0.5 child policy. Global child poverty would be finished by 2040, probably forever. Resulting in the end of mass poverty even with current technology.
Were you doing the Russian planning before the war and imagining the following:
1. The Zelensky government won’t stay and fight
2. The Ukrainian military won’t maintain discipline
3. Germany won’t cancel the authentication of NS2
4. The developed democracies won’t provide financial support to Ukraine
5. The developed democracies won’t provide arms to Ukraine
6. The developed democracies won’t provide missiles to Ukraine
7. The developed democracies won’t provide tanks to Ukraine
8. The developed democracies won’t wean themselves off Russian gas
9. The developed democracies won’t freeze Russian assets
10. The developed democracies won’t do proper sanctions
Ultimately, Europe won’t put up with China arming an invasion of Europe and will bring the rest of the developed world, and their respective spheres, in on sanctions against China if they were to try. This would be the end of the CCP.
Putin may be able to justify Russian suffering over Ukraine to Russians for now, but China’s export-based economy is not something Chinese want to sacrifice in order to try and sustain a failed Russian war of aggression. Thats stupid.
As for Russia bombing NATO countries, lol. NATO countries, especially those bordering Ukraine, would absolute love any excuse whatsoever to strike at the incredibly vulnerable Russian military currently dying outside of Bakhmut. Probably nothing would make the Polish government happier than obliterating a few Russian BGs as a safe and protected response to Russian aggression entering its territory.
There will be a renewed attempt at endless 'color revolutions'. The liberals never change their spots, the names are taken, disloyal countries listed. The liberals will be very busy, they will try to do it all simultaneously - no quarter will be given. People like Orban, Modi, etc...will be attacked, demonized. But the gig is up, it is like trying to empty a lake with a shovel - there are too many 'enemies' and the water keeps on flowing in. It is actually comical - look at the hapless Leave no Shadow squirming as he/she scuttles away. They have lost, now for the consequences...Replies: @Greasy William, @Triteleia Laxa
...How dare all those filthy brown people not follow the lead of their white liberal masters!
I’m sorry you feel you’ve been personally demonised, but the critical words directed at Orban and Modi by liberal newspapers are not the same thing. Your struggle is not their struggle and Putin murdering Ukrainians is not your vindication. Grow up.
And please don’t take this for a lack of sympathy. I know very well what it is like to be demonised and even horribly scapegoated. I am not dismissing that experience. I am just separating it out from some irrelevant geopolitical narrative.
Where? I never said that. You are a weirdo with issues, throwing out nonsense that has nothing to do with what anyone says. You may as well yell at passing cars. Learn how to be coherent and address the topic. Otherwise we can't take you seriously.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
...I’m sorry you feel you’ve been personally demonised
I understand that view. It is basically true, but I see it as a sort of passive cynicism which I’m not fond of.
I’m not sure you can label profound faith as “passive cynicism”. You might call my ability to communicate with all sorts of unusual phenomena an imaginative delusion, but it isn’t cynical.
Helping people use their minds more actively and creatively would be far more amazing than AI. AI is a hollow dead end as far as humanity is concerned.
AI will do this. Not just by diminishing mundane concerns, which will allow people to explore spiritual areas more easily, but also by improving knowledge, and as a tool for more acute thought.
Humans are still stuck on our own little planet. It would be a travesty if we create a lame utilitarian AI which ultimately wipes us out before we can meet other species and try to live through those adventures.
Yes, humans getting wiped out would be bad, but that’s not inherent to AI, just terrible implementation of AI. And AI will diminish our likelihood of getting wiped out in other ways, including enabling space travel, combatting deadly disease and unpredictable events like comet impacts.
Maybe AI is the answer to the Fermi Paradox. Civilizations evolve far enough to create an AI. The AI grows and wipes out the creators before they achieve star travel. The AI eventually stagnates and ultimately dies because it is fundamentally not creative. So the Universe is full of dead young civilizations cut down in their early stages.
It is possible, but there are many other possible answers, including the vastness of space, our inability to understand signs of other life and all sorts of disasters, nevermind the idea that maybe humans really are very special.
9 out of 10 comments you write sound like they from a genocidal lunatic, of the sort that would make the Hutus blush. And this near impossible physiological effect is not something you want. Can you at least pretend to be sane when you write? You can maintain all your delusions about this awful war, which you cheerlead for, but you don’t need to constantly make everyone think that you celebrate the deaths of innocent Ukrainians. It does nobody any favours.
What about the death of guilty Ukrainians? Those responsible for murder of civilians in Donbass 2014-2023? Those responsible for torture of political prisoners? Those responsible for murders of people in Odessa and Mariupol in 2014, or for the murder of Oles Buzina in Kiev? As well as those guilty of numerous other crimes? Shouldn’t decent people celebrate the punishment of a criminal? Isn’t this what is called justice?Replies: @Greasy William
celebrate the deaths of innocent Ukrainians
Difficult to know where to start with this idiocy. Fake indignation and lying again I see.
9 out of 10 comments you write sound like they from a genocidal lunatic
Sy Hersh displays his complete ignorance/extreme bias and claims that the Russians are yet to out any of their main forces in. That’s an insane claim, not far off from arguing the whole thing is fake. Does he have dementia?
I'll have to admit I have a soft spot for Applebaum. After all, it was her husband Radek Sikorski who publicly thanked the US for destroying the Nord Stream pipelines, with his congratulatory note Retweeted out 13,500 times before he realized what he'd given away and deleted it.
A year ago Anne Applebaum took the prize for knowledge and calm judgment
Sy Hersh displays his complete ignorance/extreme bias and claims that the Russians are yet to out any of their main forces in. That’s an insane claim, not far off from arguing the whole thing is fake. Does he have dementia?
These are interesting points, and so are your points about an AI looking for s soul, but I think, once you insert this type of spiritual thinking, you have to allow for the fact that it is all fine and just as much a part of nature as us.
I agree with your general sentiment, but I don’t guarantee that AGI won’t end up with a soul. I also think that AI is an excellent tool which will improve our lives, as all tools do on balance, and don’t think there is any conspiracy to turn us into zombies.
The harm from AI will outweigh the benefits. Unlike earlier automation it will displace most smarter people as well as the less intelligent.
Zero scarcity in high IQ production would be great. That just makes everything else much more valuable in terms of market price, which would be good for ordinary people.
AI is for people who cannot or do not want to think and is specifically intended to replace the human mind. Thinking is mankind’s reason for existence so AI is intrinsically anti-humanity
You’ll still be able to what you believe is you thinking.
No shame+no principles+worships success/power=psychopath/sociopath/malignant narc (classic signs)
Lol
A narcissist is someone who is dominated by shame. The opposite of someone who finds shame meaningless. That is the one part of the definition on which every area of psychology agrees!
A sociopath is someone who doesn’t know how to adapt to society’s rules. It has nothing to do with your underlying attachment to “principles.”
A psychopath is not really defined, but it always involves a lack of conscious empathy, of which I have a surfeit. And many, many people who see themselves as psychopaths cling strongly to a set of abstract principles, precisely to make up for their lack of conscious empathy.
That’s why you always get so furious at me when I say people only pursue power out of a sense of inferiority and inadequacy
Show where I got “furious.” Or where I said that pursuing power was my aim. Or where I even said it was a good thing. The only reference to power I have made in relation to you is as regarding how you’re obsessed with it, and hiding that obsession from yourself with your passive aggressive megalomania. Hence your superficial covert narcissism stemming from you making yourself a reaction to your mother. Yes, this means you’re not actually a covert narcissist, just someone with such tendencies. And your amusing misunderstanding of the relationship between shame and narcissism confirms it!
Before you comment again, please remind yourself that I am not your mother, and even that your image of your mother is not her, but actually just you.
You two are opposites, therefore your reactions will not often be the same.
20 years ago your favorite organization, Nato, brutally attacked a European country, Serbia, to change its borders and to support unhappy separatists in Kosovo. It happened in Europe not that long ago, thousands of Serb civilians were killed. Nato bombing intentionally destroyed infrastructure: bridges, trains, TV stations, city centers...Where were your principles then? You have no standing complaining today. Western mostly gment-controlled media refuses to mention what Nato did in the name of 'minority self-determination', but people remember. The glaring hypocrisy in the pompous preaching by the same people who cheered Nato when it attacked Serbia disqualifies you.Tell us why Nato attacking Serbia to change borders was good and Russia attacking Ukraine is bad - it is the same situation: self-determination vs. sanctity of borders. Or accept that it is all about force, there are no 'principles', it is tribal us-against-them, and let the stronger side win. In Serbia, Nato was stronger. In Ukraine it may turn out that Russia is stronger. But don't preach us - it is in bad taste to be so hypocritical.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP
The principle that you don’t annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost.
We will let you have your AI-genetics dreams – it is mostly nonsense, but harmless.
I’m not someone who understands shame, as it is meaningless to me, but were I to write what you’ve just written, I think I might come pretty close to finally getting it.
Although I am also glad you see fit to dismiss as irrelevant the technologies that everyone who is even slightly informed thinks are huge, huge deals, regardless of ideology. It must be fun living in those moments of tremendous self-regard, but it must also be punishing when what goes up, comes back down.
That voice in your head that flips between calling you brilliant and a complete failure is way out of control.
And I appreciate your graciousness in allowing me my delusions that AI and genetic engineering are a big deal. This internet won’t take off either, will it?
Where were your principles (with Serbia)?
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t actually believe in principles except for the practical purpose of maintaining basic order through keeping the children in line, so breaking them isn’t a problem as long as the people who need those principles are not disillusioned by it.
As far as I’m aware, Serbia did not lead to a a year+ long ground war, but was actually an effective intervention and was backed by the vast majority of countries in Europe. In other words, it was Europe sorting its own nonsense out. These facts make it opposite to Putin’s catastrophic invasion of Ukraine.
Were Putin to have had the backing of most of the continent and to have been even slightly close to the competency of the intervention on Serbia, then I would have a very different opinion about it. You see why principles are for children? They don’t adjust to the situation, even though every situation is different. This is why adults can break principles and inept, bungling children must be made to abide by them, as children lack the faculties to adjust beyond basic dictums. Is this hypocritical or supremacist? Probably, and what’s wrong with recognising reality? Bad luck for falling on the lesser side of that divide.
But don’t hold me to that opinion on Serbia, I am too young to know much or care about whatabouts from history. You may keep obsessing that Serbia means Putin’s totally sh*t invasion of Ukraine is actually wonderful. There’s literally no reason for that to be the case, but you seem to enjoy mentioning it!
Actually your reply is just stupid: an evasive psycho-babble by a poseur. But we dont expect more from you. Now you are saying that 'principles' don't matter, good, so why did you constantly preach about them? Make up your mind. Your excuses for Nato bombing of Serbia are that 'there was consensus' and it was 'competent'. Ok, so if Russia steamrolls over the Ukies by blowing them to smithereens and then point to a complete approval from their own people, plus China, maybe India, etc...more people than Europe has, you would be ok with it? (And please, Luxembourg or Latvia simply don't amount to much...too tiny) So you have no answer as we suspected. I am sure Russia will also spin its story once they win, 'consensus!' and 'competence!'...it is really easy when we abandon principles. Regarding AI and the hoopla that you are pushing. What is your point? That it is big? Sure it is. I don't believe it will significantly impact the power equations in the world, your US-centric worship is about 80% marketing. Same with genetics - you may not have noticed that among other things technology today is largely globalized - what one side has, the other will soon have too. Your naive belief that US can maintain its supremacy by genetically producing 'better' humans - what would that be, what color? - or that AI will give the West the tools to win over China-Russia-etc.., is the way you cope. As with my other question you don't actually answer others' points but hide in your narcissistic projections. When even that fails you start quoting what you psychiatrist tells us. But don't forget to take the pills...Replies: @Ivashka the fool, @AnonfromTN, @LatW
...this message is both stark and cruel
You’re obsessed.
Totally unrelated question: who’s gayer? The male-male couple that live next door, or the man living alone, or perhaps with mommie dearest, ruminating over how absolutely disgusting the gay couple are, and the detailed details of what he constantly imagines their sex life to be?
Thanks for proving my point. Your geopolitical fantasies are a substitute for being a Star Wars super fan. You’ve even mixed the two up in your head! Hilarious.
While nothing lasts forever, you need to understand a few points:
1. AI is like the internet, the atom bomb and the industrial revolution all rolled into one, in terms of potential, and the US is the only player. Furthermore, the fact that the US has emerged absolutely hegemonic in this area is strong evidence that the US is highly competent.
2. The worse the problems from HBD are, the more incentive for people to use genetic engineering to solve them. Either the problems are tiny and maybe the taboo against engineering remains, or the problems are large and the taboo goes away even quicker than the one against gay marriage went. I.e it’ll swiftly be seen as immoral to not support genetic engineering.
3. I agree that geopolitical posturing is dumb and don’t encourage it, but politicians enjoy it, as does the media, as do all of the commoner eyeballs. I’ll even get called a troll for discouraging it as when I point out how much of a silly game it all is.
4. Ukraine isn’t a fad. The principle that you don’t annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost. This means that Russia must lose. Had Ukraine not resisted, that would be a different matter, but now, Russia must not be allowed to expand its territory over a mountain of European corpses. This is the part where it is no longer a silly game, and all because Putin was totally clueless.
20 years ago your favorite organization, Nato, brutally attacked a European country, Serbia, to change its borders and to support unhappy separatists in Kosovo. It happened in Europe not that long ago, thousands of Serb civilians were killed. Nato bombing intentionally destroyed infrastructure: bridges, trains, TV stations, city centers...Where were your principles then? You have no standing complaining today. Western mostly gment-controlled media refuses to mention what Nato did in the name of 'minority self-determination', but people remember. The glaring hypocrisy in the pompous preaching by the same people who cheered Nato when it attacked Serbia disqualifies you.Tell us why Nato attacking Serbia to change borders was good and Russia attacking Ukraine is bad - it is the same situation: self-determination vs. sanctity of borders. Or accept that it is all about force, there are no 'principles', it is tribal us-against-them, and let the stronger side win. In Serbia, Nato was stronger. In Ukraine it may turn out that Russia is stronger. But don't preach us - it is in bad taste to be so hypocritical.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP
The principle that you don’t annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost.
Not sure the advantage will last 30 years, and the emergence of Chinese AI might predict that the technical gap would soon close, as it would be applied for that purpose.
AI is like the internet, the atom bomb and the industrial revolution all rolled into one, in terms of potential, and the US is the only player.
US can't be treated as a champion of virtue about this sort of thing. Biden, nominal US leader, was at one time, advocating breaking up Iraq to make it more manageable for the US. The democracy Iraq voted for the US military to leave, and they did not. (Perhaps, Russia would be happy with its own barracks in Ukraine?)
The principle that you don’t annex a democracy and a country in Europe is a principle that is worth maintaining even at huge cost.
Preventing deaths would mean not materially supplying the conflict zone. You can't throw weapons on a conflict and pretend you are preventing mortality. During the Second Boer War, the US administration was widely condemned for supplying horses and mules to the Brits, and those were only dumb animals.
Russia must not be allowed to expand its territory over a mountain of European corpses.
It is interesting. It seems to argue that secularisation led to lower fertility rates and that religious absolutism led to secularisation, but I think it is too zoomed in, as I don’t think you can separate those factors out from other factors and that instead all are part of a more general set of movements. In other words, it fetishises the characteristic “religiosity”, rather than something broader, perhaps like “uncritical obedience” or “living like livestock.” Or even uncritical consciousness, or simply unconsciousness. That primal borderline state that near every four year old exists in.
I also note that Anatoly Karlin’s theory about enforced breeding leading to the diminishing of breeding genes, and subsequent lower breeding leading to their comeback, not only fits the data described just as well, but also fits France’s relatively high TFR now.
My personal view is that few people capable of having this discussion have the experience and awareness to see what “living as livestock” is. They therefore don’t understand the religiosity of the past and how it doesn’t relate to their own potential religiosity whatsoever.
The modern societies, full of individuals possessing critical consciousness, that also have the highest TFRs are those with the least controlling parents. What may or may not have happened with the peasants of Provence a few hundreds years ago is interesting, but holds no direct lessons for us.
Every year the already small percentage of the world’s population, who live as livestock, for whom things only ever happen to them, shrinks. A minority of individuals can’t deal with this and we pathologise them as having Cluster B personality disorders, and they dream and sometimes delude themselves that they actually are in that infantile state, while others play with it, often sexually, or with their political fantasising, but it is not coming back as a human norm. It is also a fundamentally different experience of life than the modern one, and inferior, though not without some charms that people may get nostalgic over.
It's complicated Laxa. Tsai's opposition party, the pro-CCP pro-unification KMT has been gaining support,
This is also why Taiwan is desperate not to be annexed by China.
KMT are not pro-CCP. They’re pro themselves ruling China. And of course, they’re gaining support. They’re one of two major parties and the other has been in power for a while. The KMT were actually in power in 2015, and many times before, and didn’t let China annex Taiwan, despite Xi not having revealed his deceptive nature in Hong Kong yet. Would Taiwan one day choose to be annexed by China? Not while the CCP remain in power and not while China has a living standard about a quarter as good.
In a biannual update to its surveys on core political attitudes in Taiwan, National Chengchi University’s Election Study Center (ESC) found only 1.3 percent of respondents wanted unification with mainland China “as soon as possible,”
Sounds popular!
Russia Today argues that India is about to abandon support for Russia and that Modi is telling Russia to go home.
https://www.rt.com/india/572068-message-putin-modi-quote/
China tells Head of EU diplomacy its policy in arming Russia:
“I can only repeat what he told me: China is not providing arms for Russia and it will not provide arms to Russia because it’s part of their foreign policy not to arm parties in a conflict,” he said. “We have to remain vigilant.”
Doubtless China did explore this option, as they will have explored every option, and America got hold of their explorations and will now make them pay in the international press. This has already happened twice during this war and is the normal tit for tat diplomacy that everyone seems to love.
Songbird: sorry but your HBD concerns don’t matter for this conflict. Trying to shoe-horn them in will just make you look weird and obsessive. And I actually agree with the basic facts of HBD as laid out by people like Sailer. Although I also recognise that genetic engineering will be common in 30 years and the major problems of ignoring HBD will still be a long way off at that point, given that it is basically the smart fraction that matters.
No, you’re fake and gay. Literally just another internet fantasist, playing mental Star Wars/Paradox games in your mind. There are serious volunteers from all around the world, fighting on the side of Ukraine. There are also serious donations raised for equipment, again from all around the world. But literally not one Chinese donation for Russia nor one Chinese volunteer.
And please note, while Russia has not received a single Chinese donation nor volunteer, Ukraine has. Chinese have even volunteered to fight for Ukraine.
Xi’s coffees with Putin are classic CCP diplomacy. “We’ll take your half price oil and make some platitudes in return”, meanwhile one hundred percent of his actual focus is on keeping the CCP’s tenuous grip on power. That’s literally all he cares about, and falling for the cliché swine right propaganda of him actually being a self-sacrificing nationalist, who believes in the common Han man, is so clichéd of you! Daddy Xi, please save me! Don’t neglect me again!
Modern politicians like foreign policy because it is exciting and fun, but their absolute priority is either getting re-elected (democracies) or maintaining their clique’s hold on power so they don’t get arrested (others).
Geopolitical fan fiction afficionados on the internet instead think that modern politicians are primarily playing a Paradox grand strategy computer game, and Putin’s bungled invasion has provided them with evidence.
But Putin only invaded because he thought his soldiers were advancing on Kyiv in order to hold a parade in Kyiv. Their tactics and equipment demonstrate this. He did not think he would be facing any resistance, as also evidenced by his keeping $300 billion in Western hands, and the general incompetence of his plan, and inept exploitation against even a Ukraine that actually was half collapsing.
In other words, this war was thought of like his annexation of Crimea was. A straightforward and low risk endeavour that would add sparkle to his reputation and allow him to retire in domestic glory. It was never some five dimensional chess move, as fantasied by the legions of gurning idiots who get off on this stuff, just like other gurning idiots get off on Star Wars.
And why have I written this? Because it shows the absurdity of China providing arms to Russia. Why would China join up for Russia’s bungled quagmire outside Bakhmut? The cost of doing so would be extreme and would present a strong threat to the CCP’s hold on domestic power, which is what they really care about.
1. China arming an invasion of Europe would see the strongest European response. Anyone who doesn’t realise how strong the reaction would be hasn’t thought about it. This near total economic separation would do awful things to the European economy, but it would also flatten China’s. European politicians would be fine for that as they would be responding to China arming an invasion of Europe, which would be popular. Does anyone think the Chinese, probably the most materialistic culture on earth, would understand why they all got poorer because of Bakhmut?
And it wouldn’t just be Europe that cut them off, but America too, and all developed countries, and probably others, because those others, especially in Asia, like India, would be terrified of a China that won the confrontation.
In other words, the export dependent Chinese economy would sink like a stone, and how would the CCP explain this to the Chinese people, the same people who made a couple of demonstrations and the CCP folded their zero Covid policy in a catastrophic panic to? Because Russia really needed help to take Bakhmut?
You can see real Chinese support, as in willingness to sacrifice, by Chinese people’s donations to the Russian effort. $0! Meanwhile, civilians all around the world, including Brazil and other far out supposedly neutral places, raise substantial sums of money for drones and generators entirely because they want to, and donate them to Ukraine.
2. China supporting Russia would have no immediate effect on the war. It would take many months and, during those months, the developed economies would up their support for Ukraine from 0.something of GDP to many multiples of that. In other words, China’s support would just see a larger escalation against their support.
3. The American military is superior to China’s in every way. Russia can’t take Bakhmut. And Iran are only good for sponsoring militias and beating women to death on their streets. Against this, and because of local rivalries, America would probably end up with the support of the whole of Europe, all rich countries in Asia, India, the Sunni countries, and, for trade purposes, anyone who preferred trading and travel with those countries, over paying China for Chinese stuff.
4. No one wants this. It also risks nuclear war and becoming the obliteration of the planet. Putin messed up by thinking he’d cakewalk it in Ukraine. Everyone who can’t admit that is a snivelling idiot. And no one, not even Lukashenko, wants to make any sort of serious sacrifices to help Russia maybe one day take Bakhmut. The world isn’t a Paradox game. 99.99% of articles on this subject are less coherent than Star Wars. This is all retarded. The principle that countries don’t annex their next door neighbor is the only positive principle worth fighting for in this war, if you’re not Ukrainian and basically just defending your home. We’re not in the Middle Ages, we’re not ruled by Kings, economies are not based on land, and wars of conquest are near infinitely more expensive than they can ever gain you in winnings, partly because that’s not where money is made and partly because wars are near infinitely more expensive. That’s that. The end. You can go back to your circle jerk now.
US Navy just lowered its IQ minimum for recruits. How many years before they lower it again?
The American military is superior to China’s in every way
I was thinking about this the other day and realized that some politicians are just so used to seeing only "special operations" and limited (or not so limited) "humanitarian interventions" vs a real conventional war, that maybe it doesn't even occur to them that such large wars are actually possible, even if they are rare. Unlike Putin, the Russian military knew this - that's why General Ivashov warned against this "special operation", channeling sentiments from the RusFed's General Staff. Before February 2022, he even called on Putin to resign (in a country where you can go to jail for saying such things).The decision to invade was not a military decision, but a political (or even a messianic) one.Replies: @Ivashka the fool
But Putin only invaded because he thought his soldiers were advancing on Kyiv in order to hold a parade in Kyiv. Their tactics and equipment demonstrate this.
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In other words, this war was thought of like his annexation of Crimea was.
Kyiv is stable because Russia has spent a year failing to take Bakhmut, which is almost twice as far from Kyiv as Paris is from London.
Indeed, Russia has failed to establish air superiority over Bakhmut, which, were they competent, they would have done 364 days ago.
I hope now you understand why Russia cannot win this war and must go home.
As for your theory that Israelis are sneaking in and stealing Russian soldiers’ organs, before emergency cremations are done under Jewish Prigozhin’s command, only a complete lunatic would think that. Obviously there is a lot of security in a war zone and that security would preclude such nonsense.
You can see the wisdom of this. It isn't that East Asians are genetically less aggressive and warlike, and more docile and obedient, otherwise wouldn't leading this ignominious list.Seriously? CCP would do that on purpose? I would think that they would do the opposite.
Again that genre is subtly emasculating– and part of CCP’s game to keep Chinese men docile to rule over.
When you realise that the CCP’s only concern is holding into domestic power, and that this is a lot more tenuous than the impression they give off, you understand their various policies.
1. Keeping the one child policy until a geriatric population pyramid was created made for a much more submissive country.
2. Despite inane culture war-style excuses made up after the fact, the great internet wall of China reduces idea exchange, creativity and was solely to keep control of information and therefore control of the country. Of course the small percentage of the population rich enough to send their kids to university abroad, and escape this censorship, were able to do so, but they’re bought into the system. It is everyone else the CCP needed to keep ignorant.
3. The positioning against America created a “big bad” that replaced Japan, as Japan no longer was big enough, but this is just a pose for domestic consumption. The CCP will not risk domestic unrest by making actual sacrifices for its phoney confrontation, like by providing arms to Russia or even recognising Crimea. Ultimately the US was perfectly happy to build China up, nd it was only the CCP’s paranoia in power, and use of the US as a cartoon enemy that has muddied this fact.
4. The internal migration system, that shows CCP extreme callousness to Han people, is also about the CCP maintaining control.
5. The Covid policy was also absolutely about this. Not saving lives. Indeed, it got dropped at the first sign of protests, despite the population regaining immune nativity due to bad domestic vaccines and time length since vaccination. China got the worst of all worlds, but again, the CCP profited.
I’m sure you can think of others, but, it is safe to say, if at any point the CCP weighs the interest of the CCP against that of the Chinese people, no matter how unbalanced the scale, the CCP side will win out.
This is also why Taiwan is desperate not to be annexed by China. A sensible Chinese government would respect this and, given China’s huge economic potential, would try to woo them with extreme graciousness and love. But the CCP constantly threatens them with death and destruction because, let’s be honest, Han brotherhood means nothing against CCP dominance.
1. The Han people are all diehard CCP shills so I have very little sympathy there
The internal migration system, that shows CCP extreme callousness to Han people, is also about the CCP maintaining control.
It's complicated Laxa. Tsai's opposition party, the pro-CCP pro-unification KMT has been gaining support,
This is also why Taiwan is desperate not to be annexed by China.
I'll have to admit I have a soft spot for Applebaum. After all, it was her husband Radek Sikorski who publicly thanked the US for destroying the Nord Stream pipelines, with his congratulatory note Retweeted out 13,500 times before he realized what he'd given away and deleted it.
A year ago Anne Applebaum took the prize for knowledge and calm judgment
That is the best and only good evidence that America did it. A Polish politician saying that they did and that it was a good thing. Not exactly conclusive proof. But given the absurdity of Sy Hersh’s account, the lack of American motive for blowing NS1 while leaving NS2 and other pipelines operable, as well as the strong evidence of Germany’s subsequent greater trust in America and distrust of Russia, it is the best you have.
Surely NATO will collapse tomorrow? And surely this great Russian offensive, which MacGregor has spent a year predicting, will also begin tomorrow? Followed by the complete collapse of the Ukrainian army, that every single one of your favourite talking heads has been pushing for 365 days, even as Ukraine has steadily advanced and improved their military in every conceivable way.
It is now mud season in Ukraine. Russia still hasn’t even taken Bakhmut, and the head of their forces there, the literal criminal and chef and Nazi and Jew Prigozhin is loudly admitting that Russia won’t take it any time soon. Not that taking it would achieve anything for Russia. And where does Putin find these people?
I mean just the fact that Russia has spent a year trying to establish air superiority over irrelavant Bakhmut, which they should have done in hour one, and failed, should have woken anyone up who wants to leave catatonia. Have you seen the state of the comments below your hosted Rollo Slavisky article? 99% of dismissing the ultra-patriot lunatic as a neocon troll for basic realism! But don’t worry, these acolytes will adjust, they’ll just start calling the war fake and a Hollywood production with no actual fighting having taken place. A mere trick to steal their money and absorb their eyeballs. Always blaming other people for their own choices you see. Poor little thems.
Your old sparring partner (?) David Cole wrote a good article on this recently. I hope you enjoy it. It is good. Sailer, Coulter, Hanania and basically what sane people are left standing outside of the mainstream, all promoted it. I hope you also enjoyed my other list of war experts. You need only compare what they said to what your guys like Ritter were saying early last year, to see who actually knew what they were talking about. But I reckon you know all of this by now, so this comment is even more for your readers.
https://bestservedcole.substack.com/p/dinner-bell-for-the-rights-last-supper
Hmmm ... now let me look at the ACTUAL state of affairs in this proxy war.
Ukraine has steadily advanced and improved their military in every conceivable way.
Russia still hasn’t even taken Bakhmut, and the head of their forces there, the literal criminal and chef and Nazi and Jew Prigozhin is loudly admitting that Russia won’t take it any time soon.
The number one conservative intellectual on Twitter, known as “Cat Turd”, has now come out in favour of the war is fake theory. 1.4 million followers!
There’s a serious purge and public shaming of these types of voices coming and it can’t come soon enough. It’ll either come from the right before 2024 and perhaps Biden can be defeated in his re-election, or it’ll come in the years afterwards as conservatards learn to reflect in the wilderness.
This is not a good time for anyone who isn’t a progressive liberal.
Gas boomers in Russia are committing war crimes and ranting about Satan. Russian ultra-patriots are about to learn that those gas boomers are still yet somehow more realistic than them, especially as regards what the Russian people will put up with.
American boomers think Satan has got a side gig as a dance choreographer for the Grammies. Meanwhile, other American conservatives are either shilling for Russian boomers or think the war isn’t real.
On the other hand, European conservatives and harder rightists are doing fine, but keeping quiet, and desperately trying to avoid association with either.
And the far, far right is led by a clown show collection of characters, including a psychotic black rapper who thinks child actors were sent in to pervert his children, an evolutionary biologist whose theory of world politics boils down to the narcissistic/borderline parent’s split of the good child (whites) versus the bad child (Jews) and this is regarded as high intellectualism, various gays attracted by the Tom of Finland aesthetic, some schizo Jews with serious issues as regards their parents and loving the familiarity of going back to being Macdonald’s bad child, and various “based” black and brown grifters who are probably also attracted by the Tom of Finland aesthetic.
Against this, the progressives have all of the crazy characters hyper-focused on by RW news sources, but also basically all academics, intellectuals and everyone with a serious job and not senile/in a bad divorce.
Maybe it was better when RWers were banned from Twitter. They couldn’t humiliate themselves so badly and ruin the chances of ideas associated with them.
However, as someone of profound faith, I know it’ll be fine and it is for the best. The crazy must run rampage until everyone is thoroughly sick of it and then these idiots are shunned from public life forever.
Unfortunately, it’ll be far too late for America to not fully transform into global turbo America, for Russia to not stain generations with blood, and, if the infection spreads from either Russia or America, it may even end up being too late for Europe to chart a genuinely European course. At that point, all that will be left for us all will be to join turbo America in their SJW progressive cathedral arc towards something completely different. Not as bad as having to listen to Cat Turd, or think Macgregor is a prescient genius, but not exactly the future I prefer. Let’s not entertain crazy before it is too late.
But it might also be that in the longer term, both America and Russia will be weakened - America by ever growing submission to Woke and internal polarization and Russia by having a lousy result in the war. Then Europe will finally be free. The only risk is an overly assertive China.Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
Unfortunately, it’ll be far too late for America to not fully transform into global turbo America, for Russia to not stain generations with blood, and, if the infection spreads from either Russia or America, it may even end up being too late for Europe to chart a genuinely European course.
Didn't Tom of Finland came of age during WW2 when there were a lot of soldiers around?https://imgur.com/a/WQnSBpX
...various gays attracted by the Tom of Finland aesthetic...
As context, I wonder what percentage of Unz readers believe a man-made virus was intentionally released by some government yet to be identified? The point being that we may have passed the point where blowing up a pipeline is no longer a big deal. This is a scary thought.
There have always been lunatics, and the percentage has actually diminished, it is just that they’re more able to enter the public conversation, and out themselves in the process.
See my comment above about the popular journalists who are convinced there is no war in Ukraine.
No. They are generally well-behaved, perhaps owing to the influence of Islam. Same thing for Africans in Saudi Arabia. The homicide rate in Egypt is 2.6 and in Saudi Arabia 0.8; which is in line with most normal countries (US its 6.5); despite the Afro population being roughly comparable to US. Egyptians do a good job of destroying Cairo. We don’t need African help :)
Are negroes in Cairo destructive to the city the way they are in London and Los Angeles?
Agree.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
Sometimes racism is a rational idea and the facts are racist. Sometimes racism is irrational and stupid.
Egypt is a police state. Police states are good at suppressing street crime. Someone commits a crime, the police know who it was almost immediately. You can see the same thing in many countries similar to Egypt. However, it also means the police are the criminals and run the country.
I think it makes sense in some places (Egypt) and is an unnecessary sacrifice in others (Norway). While in other places, it would be good, but there just isn’t the level of social organisation needed for it (Nigeria). Of course, there are also lots of borderline places, where it depends on local priorities.
Since Russia has already destroyed 1 Ukrainian army, 3 further NATO ones, inflicted 200,000 dead on Ukraine and another 600,000 injured, all for about 3,000 Russian casualties, while destroying the economy of Europe and ensuring US collapse, I think Russia can withdraw in victory now. Lesson taught.
Major dissident journalist with 314k followers pipes in with argument along the same lines.
The only reason these guys don’t hold the reigns of power is because of some unfair conspiracy against them. They’re not hysterical, everyone else is hysterical.
Yes, this is what happens. No one should ever be surprised. It is not a secret. It is normal operating procedure and has been public knowledge since forever.
France spies on the US just as the US spies on France, the former head of France’s counter-espionage and counter-terrorism agency said Friday, commenting on reports that the US National Security Agency (NSA) recorded millions of French telephone calls.
Bernard Squarcini, head of the Direction Centrale du Renseignement Intérieur (DCRI) intelligence service until last year, told French daily Le Figaro he was “astonished” when Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault said he was “deeply shocked” by the claims.
“I am amazed by such disconcerting naiveté,” he said in the interview. “You’d almost think our politicians don’t bother to read the reports they get from the intelligence services.”
Politicians obviously do know, but they love the catty geopolitical “confrontations” that they can spark up for a few good domestic headlines and some distraction from the boring job of trying to slightly increase economic growth, or slightly improve exam results.
“Dissidents” surpass themselves. Figurehead with 200k+ followers claims that the war in Ukraine is fake, as in literally is not happening. Not at all. Is just computer graphics for domestic consumption. He’s not crazy, everyone else is crazy.
No, around 40% (it varied up and down). Russia still supplies about half of what they did previously, the Turkish Stream and some of the pipes are still working.
...Russia previously supplied half of the EU’s gas.
And much higher from 2019. The spike around the time the war started was speculation, panic buying and fear of future supplies - nobody thought those high prices were going to stay. The reality that you obsessively try to deny is that the average price for energy in Europe is up and is staying up. Based on time period it is between 40 and 200% higher...explain it to us, who 'played' whom?
given that gas prices are now much lower than when the war started
Basically a lie. Germany is 'growing' 0.6% and Russia 0.3%, in 2022 Russia dropped 2.7%. It is very comparable and if we account for inflation under-counting, the 'growth' is questionable. I am not in a position to evaluate whether Russia or Germany understates the inflation more, they both do, but the GNP numbers are squishy...adjusted by 'inflation', so it matters. By the way, UK 0.1% growth is worse than Russia. In Czechia or Slovakia the inflation is around 20% - and it gets reported between 15-19%, even lower - that artificially boosts the GNP 'growth'...but you know that and prefer to lie for a cause...let's just agree that we are all worse off economically...Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
...the German economy is not shrinking unlike the Russian.
Ok, Beckow, you know the real economic growth rates and your argument here has persuaded me that everyone else is wrong and you are right. Certainly it is that rigorous.
This is why I should ignore the fact that Russia shrunk this year, but Germany did not, and should ignore the majority of predictions that Russia will shrink again this year, but Germany will not.
I should also accept that Russia’s gas weapon worked brilliantly because of, well, I can’t follow your arguments but ok, it is likely too brilliant and unbiased for me.
Russia has achieved all of its objectives in Ukraine and can now go home. Russia has completely destroyed Europe and can now go home. America has never been weaker, so Russia can now go home. Putin is the best, so can now retire in total glory. This war has not been a catastrophe of choice for Russia from beginning until its eventual end. You have not cheerled the worst and most psychotic foreign policy decision in Europe since 1945. All of your predictions were right and now Russia will be bathed in the eternal gratitude of everyone in the fine continent!
Everyone knows all of this and the only thing stopping them from ectsatically concurring is direct employment by the US Neocon ministry of propaganda. A huge, all-powerful, yet somehow also totally incompetent organisation, that reserves its most special and highly paid operatives to talk to you.
All of this is absolutely certain and everyone knows it.
Now you can find another hobby. The bad guys have lost. The good guys have won. You were right all along. Probably this pattern has been repeating all of your life, which is why you’re so satisfied with the geopolitical outcomes.
I wish you the best. As far as coping mechanisms go, yours isn’t bad. I’m sorry you’ve had to develop it though. Life can be cruel, but I promise you that it has meaning and that things will make sense. It just might be on a timeline longer than you’re expecting.
That's an important issue, another reason that it wouldn't make sense for the Chinese to focus much on "ZOG."
Can any of the many misdeeds listed in this document be attributed to genuine American nationalism, or are they all the result of ZOG and its fanatical neocon supporters running things?
Proving the existence of ZOG, and its nefarious multi-generational enslavement of America, would lead to the replacement of ZOG by your esteemed comenters, who would finally get the recognition they deserve, and who would end American degenerate cultural influence, bring US troops home, and then China would ascend to undisputed world superpower.
All China has to do is distribute some of these truthseekers’ ideas more widely. The quality of the ideas and their proponents speak for themselves.
Imagine what this band of brothers could do with the proper platform.
Will he? What if he doesn't? Who will replace him? A more radical person? You are hallucinating nonsense, your fervent desire to destroy Russia seeps out of all you say. Very sad, get some help...Ok, but Russia has the nukes - I think they work, let's not take a chance :) - they said they would use them in case of an existential threat. Let's assume all your evil projections are true, then ask a simple question: if in 1944 Germany had nukes and showed them, would either the Russians or Anglos dare to cross the German borders?Try to answer honestly and we can go from there. Because this is for all marbles and I would like to keep mine for a while longer...Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @LatW
Putin will be retired before April 2024, so let’s be clear: everything about the Russian Federation turned out to be merely for show.
Based on the current situation it is Kiev-Nato who needs to do an offensive.
Ukraine will take the loss, as soon as Russia goes home.
If the goal of the war was to weaken anti-Russia Kiev, that has been achieved.
Great, then Russia can go home.
You are waiting for the ‘Russian offensive’ because you have created a narrative that ‘Kiev side can never lose!’
I’m not waiting for anything. Every pro-Russia commenter was claiming that one would be underway tomorrow, for the last 3 months, even as Russia’s offensive was already underway, but too much of a failure for them to accept it.
You may claim that there was no offensive and none pushed by such commenters. That’s ok. I won’t disrupt your cope in this area further.
Please get ready to adjust for the 50% likeliehood in success for Ukraine’s effort that will come before July.
Will he? What if he doesn’t? Who will replace him? A more radical person? You talk constant hallucinating nonsense, your fervent desire to destroy Russia seeps out of all your pronouncements.
He will.
And if he doesn’t get replaced, I will be wrong, and Russia will be truly f*cked. I won’t care about being wrong, but the latter point will upset me greatly.
And he won’t get replaced by a radical. His failure is obvious. But we will see.
I also have only goodwill towards Russia and absolutely no desire to destroy the place. I’d only suggest they preserve their young men’s lives by going home and slightly diminish their territory by kicking Chechnya, and Chechnyans, out of the federation. Even my romantic partner is Russian and their entire family is Russian.
Ok, but Russia has the nukes – I think they work, let’s not take a chance 🙂 – they said they would use them in case of an existential threat.
Withdrawing from Ukraine does not present an existential threat to Russia. Were it an existential threat, Russia would currently be spending as much of their GDP on the war effort as Ukraine is. Ukraine is actually fighting an existential war.
On the other hand, the use of nukes would destroy Russia existentially. Russians would be lynched on the street in other countries, (which would be a personal problem for me.) Russia itself would likely also be obliterated. No country would trade with Russia and everyone would seek its complete destruction so that the world could again live in a time without constant nuclear worry.
Really? How come nobody noticed?
...even as Russia’s offensive was already underway
Ok, I am ready... :) Does it also mean the 50% likelihood of a failure? Do you realize that 50-50 projections are equivalent to saying 'I don't know'?
get ready to adjust for the 50% likeliehood in success for Ukraine’s effort that will come before July.
That is incoherent: an oxymoron par excellence...you seem to know nothing and just blow hot air. I don't buy your goodwill, you are consistently fanatically against Russia as it is - nobody cares about yours (or your partner's) fantasy Russia. It is like me saying that I have goodwill for England, but they need to let go of Scotland, Wales, Ulster, abolish monarchy, stop eating greasy foods, submit finances to a Prague arbitration board, declare Shakespeare and Queen Victoria totalitarian tyrants, join Catholic Church, etc...you have no 'goodwill', only deep hatred of the real Russia as it is.
He will....And if he doesn’t get replaced, I will be wrong...And he won’t get replaced by a radical. His failure is obvious. But we will see....I also have only goodwill towards Russia
If Nato moves to Ukraine with bases-missiles it would be an existential threat. In any case, it is up to them to decide - as it would be Russia would move to occupy Quebec or Chine to Ireland.
Withdrawing from Ukraine does not present an existential threat to Russia
Among other places...:)...it would destroy most of the north-western hemisphere, England for sure. Do you really not see that? How would a nuclear war not be two-sided, and how would not most of us be destroyed? Do you hate Russia so much that you are willing to go for it? Or take a chance?Replies: @QCIC
the use of nukes would destroy Russia existentially.
Laxa, cut it off. I don't need this accusatory psychobabble. The last psy I talked to didn't have a theory of consciousness to explain what exactly is it they are working with. You don't have a theory of consciousness either, so stop the BS. Sort it out between your two ears before you projet onto others online.
Dismissing ideas you don’t like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.
Dismissing ideas you don’t like as merely the machinations of the shadowy few is a great temptation, but it is also intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive to the very people you need to persuade.
This isn’t what you call “psycho-babble.”
You may not care about persuasion, but dismissing ideas you don’t like as having no value and instead attributing their immense popularity to conspiracy IS “intellectually lazy, alienating and unpersuasive.”
You’re not the only person to do it either. Plenty of intellectually lazy and easily dismissed progressives do it. They blame Rupert Murdoch.
Now you might argue that you want to be intellectually lazy, well fine, but you can hardly complain when labelled as such.
Sorry but “these ideas I don’t like have no value and are just immensely popular because everyone is a sheeeeeeeeep” is a stupid argument.
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you want to be intellectually lazy, well fine, but you can hardly complain when labelled as such
Russia previously supplied half of the EU’s gas. A demand drop of 13%.in December, and trending down from a drop of 27% 2 months earlier, therefore does not explain what happened.
Furthermore, given that gas prices are now much lower than when the war started, it is highly unlikely that demand is also still lower.
On top if this, the German economy is not shrinking unlike the Russian.
Germany, in cahoots with America, played Putin and played Putin hard. You’re shrieking that Europe would freeze and collapse was sick and embarrassing. Honestly, of all of the huaman clichés, that of the snivelling, bloodthirsty best little boy is the one I have the least but disdain and contempt for. Try to think rather than just constantly reacting. Obviously a shrinking demand drop of 13% does not account for a getting near to within 13% of completing a plan to get off Russian gas, but that plan is now done.
No, around 40% (it varied up and down). Russia still supplies about half of what they did previously, the Turkish Stream and some of the pipes are still working.
...Russia previously supplied half of the EU’s gas.
And much higher from 2019. The spike around the time the war started was speculation, panic buying and fear of future supplies - nobody thought those high prices were going to stay. The reality that you obsessively try to deny is that the average price for energy in Europe is up and is staying up. Based on time period it is between 40 and 200% higher...explain it to us, who 'played' whom?
given that gas prices are now much lower than when the war started
Basically a lie. Germany is 'growing' 0.6% and Russia 0.3%, in 2022 Russia dropped 2.7%. It is very comparable and if we account for inflation under-counting, the 'growth' is questionable. I am not in a position to evaluate whether Russia or Germany understates the inflation more, they both do, but the GNP numbers are squishy...adjusted by 'inflation', so it matters. By the way, UK 0.1% growth is worse than Russia. In Czechia or Slovakia the inflation is around 20% - and it gets reported between 15-19%, even lower - that artificially boosts the GNP 'growth'...but you know that and prefer to lie for a cause...let's just agree that we are all worse off economically...Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
...the German economy is not shrinking unlike the Russian.