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    I have been a long-term China bull since I began blogging. Proof (2008). A lot of what the Western media was writing about China were based on Sinophobic fantasies that had no correlation with reality. Just to be clear, I am still a China bull, at least in the sense that I'm sure its GDP...
  • Well, while EU is of course in headlines with their energy crisis (launch the Nord Stream 2, silly people), Chinese have their own power and electricity problems now.

    Where this gets interesting is the entire “renewable energy” industry is powered by Chinese coal (the only reason it got cheap and competitive), and Chinese coal is not longer cheap, so this feeds into things like silicon metal prices, and a whole range of other energy intensive industrial materials required by Green energy manufacturers.

    https://twitter.com/solar_chase/status/1442764400771928067?s=20

    And no, the only way you can power a silicon metal refinery with solar panels is if you build it on the surface of the Sun – those arc discharge reactors run at something like 2000 degrees Celsius and consume vast amounts of electricity.

    Same applies for other industrial materials – those windmills are huge and batteries likewise require lots of energy intensive processing.

    Basically, if Chinese can’t make it, the whole “energy transition” narrative becomes rather questionable. Exciting times.

    Also goes to show that there are only three real countries in the world – Americans with fracking, French with nukes, and Russians with oil. Everybody else either doesn’t have the industrial base or energy supply, and can be ended with a flip of a switch.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @A123
    @mal


    Where this gets interesting is the entire “renewable energy” industry is powered by Chinese coal (the only reason it got cheap and competitive), and Chinese coal is not longer cheap
     
    One minor clarification.

    Australian coal is cheap and that set the benchmark for coal prices in China. When the CCP stops picking a fight with Australia, coal prices will head downwards. It is only a matter of time. China's huge and growing appetite for coal means that the current kerfuffle will eventually be overcome.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @mal

    , @Mitleser
    @mal

    In that sense, China is a real country too.

    Apparently, there was too much enforced regulation which reduced coal production at a time of increased demand.


    In China, 90% of coal consumed comes from domestic coal producers. However, it is difficult to realize substantial growth in coal output to meet surging demand.

    Several market observers believe the slow supply response partly reflects stepped-up regulatory efforts to crack down on the illegal “overproduction,” or production exceeding specified limits.

    For safety reasons, mines’ legally-approved capacity generally falls below actual capacity. In the past, coal production exceeding approved levels has been common. From 2020, the coal-rich Inner Inner Mongolia autonomous region (Hohhot) launched a campaign against coal-related corruption. In May 2020, Inner Mongolia implemented a strict policy requiring mines to produce within approved limits. The policy had a big impact on illegal “off-balance-sheet capacity,” which in turn pushed down output in major coal-producing areas. In 2021, strict enforcement of capacity limits spread to other major coal-producing areas.
     

    Another factor limiting production: the crackdown by safety and environmental protection authorities. For example, from the end of May to the beginning of June 2021, three coal mining accidents occurred in Henan. As a result, many coal mines were shut down for rectification. Under normal circumstances, these coal mines contribute about 20 million tons of production.

    Moreover, to achieve mandated targets for peak carbon dioxide emissions and carbon neutrality, local governments have tightened regulations on high energy-consuming industries, which has also has hurt production of upstream coal. The Inner Mongolian city of Ordos is home to many high energy-consuming industries. According to local coal traders, coal mines in the city implemented power rationing measures at night in August.
     
    https://www.caixinglobal.com/2021-09-29/analysis-severe-coal-supply-demand-imbalance-challenges-winter-supply-101781337.html

    Replies: @mal

  • 🇷🇺💪🇮🇳 * As usual, "real result" of United Russia would have been around 35% instead of 50% (and a simple majority instead of a Constitutional majority). But Western criticisms much less effective in the wake of analogous - if statistically implausible - claims about the 2020 US elections. * EVERGRANDE. I was a China bull...
  • @A123
    Russia refuses to supply gas to Germany. Here is the chart.

     
    https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/mallnow%20pipeline.jpg
     

    As a matter of objective fact deliveries are down. (1)

    So one has to re ask the question that was never answered. Is Putin:
        • Unreliable because he is unwilling
        • Unreliable because he is unable
    to sell in the SPOT market.

    No whinging about contracts, the question is about the SPOT market. No diversionary tactics about things that happened months ago. Putin's unreliability right now is causing shortages now.

    Why is Putin so unreliable?

    PEACE 😇

    ___________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/european-gas-prices-hit-escape-velocity-after-russian-gas-supplies-plunge-57

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @That Would Be Telling, @Mitleser

    So one has to re ask the question that was never answered [about Russia’s catastrophically lower natural gas deliveries]. Is Putin:

    • Unreliable because he is unwilling

    • Unreliable because he is unable

    to sell in the SPOT market.

    How about unwilling because he wants to put pressure on Western Europe to allow Nord Stream 2 to be put in operation, either ASAP or period? Note the western terminus is in Germany which just had an election and their Green Party wants to stop it from ever operating, along with the USA and I don’t know who else besides the Eastern European countries that currently provide transit for Russia.

    Reminding everyone why natural gas is not optional at all if you don’t want to starve (provides hydrogen for the Haber process to fix nitrogen from the air, plus carbon dioxide is a byproduct and is much more heavily used in the food industry than I realized), suffer blackouts when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun isn’t helping much, or at all at night, especially if you turn off your nuclear plants and/or don’t replace them or build new ones (France managed to destroy its ability to do that economically, an interesting feat…), as well as freeze during the winter … well, I suspect doing this in advance of fall really hitting is concentrating some minds.

    And was Russia previously considered to be a reliable source of natural gas? I seem to remember it having disputes with Eastern European countries Nord Stream 2 bypasses that resulted in Western Europe not getting the gas they needed. So Putin could make a case that Nord Stream 2 will allow for reliable supplies absent for example US sabotage (we did it during the Cold War).

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @A123
    @That Would Be Telling


    How about unwilling because he wants to put pressure on Western Europe to allow Nord Stream 2 to be put in operation, either ASAP or period?
     
    The problem is that it does the exact opposite.

    It proves that existing pipeline capacity exceeds the amount Putin is willing to sell. If Putin cannot fill the existing pipes, what value does a new tube have?

    The unwillingness to supply is via the pipe that crosses Belarus and Poland, so it is wholly unrelated to Ukraine.

     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/yamal%20pipeline_1.jpeg
     

    Does Putin understand how much civilized Europe fears Germany? The idea of increasing German authoritarianism by giving them direct source of energy imports via NS2 highly problematic. What is most unfortunate is that Putin could have avoided inserting himself into EU internal politics.

    Doubling the Belarus-Poland trade via a Yamal 2 concept would have been much less politically volatile. And, if the German Greens gain the upper hand, it is not difficult to branch South from Poland to other Visegrád 4 countries, Serbia, Austria, etc. By landing an additional pipe in Germany, Putin supplies at the whim of the "energy policy" Germany unilaterally dictates to the rest of the EU.

    Putin is way above average for decision making versus his peers. But, the NS2 policy to make Germany much more powerful & dangerous to other EU nations is backfiring badly.

    PEACE 😇

  • I have been a long-term China bull since I began blogging. Proof (2008). A lot of what the Western media was writing about China were based on Sinophobic fantasies that had no correlation with reality. Just to be clear, I am still a China bull, at least in the sense that I'm sure its GDP...
  • Fred Reed waxes eloquent about the “digital yuan”, but why would anyone want to use a centralized stablecoin pegged to the yuan that’s controlled from the PBC given the variety of more discrete and already existing alternatives?

    – Smart contracts would be able to handle and certify cash flows in a completist way
    – A new kind of collateral would be born
    – Transparency could be shared with business partners in a credible way

    It makes me very unpopular to say this, but when you mix fiat with digital currency you get all these new superpowers that aren’t available to privately developed currencies.

    I write about it here: https://medium.com/@will_99737/digidollar-the-dawn-of-the-transparent-economy-de8148a08d09

    • Agree: mal
  • 🇷🇺💪🇮🇳 * As usual, "real result" of United Russia would have been around 35% instead of 50% (and a simple majority instead of a Constitutional majority). But Western criticisms much less effective in the wake of analogous - if statistically implausible - claims about the 2020 US elections. * EVERGRANDE. I was a China bull...
  • @Dmitry
    @AP

    For women in Russia in the 1990s, the completed fertility has been 1,6 children per women. It's below replacement, but any significantly not more than Poland.

    -

    Poland's demographically worse difference from Russia, is that it has open borders emigration availability to some wealthy countries in Western Europe (which possibility is far limited and difficult for Russians). As a result, Poland have a greater problem of emigration of young workers. On the other hand, Poland receives free trade and massive investment from the EU which is an acceptable compensation for the demographic losses.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Mr. Hack, @AP

    There is no compensation that could ever make up for the dying out of one’s people, one’s extended family.

    • Agree: mal, Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @RadicalCenter

    Needless to say people are not dying from emigration. But by living and working in the rich European countries, they are being lost from the point of view of Poland's economy - decline in Poland's workers and tax base. But in Poland there is also enormous economic benefit of being in EU.

  • I have been a long-term China bull since I began blogging. Proof (2008). A lot of what the Western media was writing about China were based on Sinophobic fantasies that had no correlation with reality. Just to be clear, I am still a China bull, at least in the sense that I'm sure its GDP...
  • China Isn’t Going to Make It

    How’s Chinese obesity epidemic going?

    To catch up with US, Chinese will need to overinflate their healthcare, finance, and government sectors. I know their government and finance are pretty strong, but Chinese may be too healthy to catch up to the US.

    But if they get obese fast, they too can spend $10-$20 trillion on healthcare expenditures which will bring their economy in line with US.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
  • @Dmitry
    @Thorfinnsson


    fashionable to deprecate manufacturing as a dirty
     
    For people who live in cities where industrial manufacturing is dominant, then it is indeed often dirty, unpleasant and very bad for your standard of living. Historically one of the reasons American people tried to escape cities to the suburbs.

    Although of course better to be near some semiconductor factory using solar energy - than to be near something like copper smelting.

    Deindustrialization has benefits for the average citizens. When polluting industry was moved out of a city (even out of country to the third world - China, Vietnam, India), then the cities often become flooded inflow of people, and almost a renaissance in former industrial areas as in examples like London, Bilbao, Milan, etc. (Of course positive examples of cities that could deindustrialize without falling in mass unemployments)

    Replies: @mal

    Deindustrialization has benefits for the average citizens.

    True, but that only works up until you realize that foreign countries shut down their production due to, say, a pandemic, and there is nothing you can do about it. Deindustrialization has benefits for the average citizens only as long as somebody else stays industrialized and makes products for them.

    There are two parts to modern supply chains – one is globalization, and another is “just in time” inventory management where your product is made once ordered with minimal warehousing.

    The inventory management is not going away as it has too many benefits, but supply chain we probably want regionalized, if we learned anything at all. Factories are heavily automated anyway, so cost of labor is not the driving factor anymore.

    Even post pandemic, with trade tensions rising, you don’t want your critical components sourced from vulnerable Asia.

    • Agree: AnonfromTN
  • @Thorfinnsson
    @Ron Unz

    The benefit is similar to the internet itself--disintermediation.

    By decentralizing financial ledgers, crypto can do away with the intermediary role played by financial institutions. Banks and payment processors will become irrelevant for processing payments.

    Eventually, it will diminish demand for currency itself. As more and more assets are placed on the blockchain, it will be possible to seamlessly and instantly trade from one blockchain into an another. You can already see this in action on emerging decentralized crypto exchanges in which one can trade from one blockchain directly into another (for instance, Bitcoin directly into Ethereum) without the intermediary step of selling one asset for currency (say, the US Dollar) and then using that currency to purchase the other blockchain. Here is one of many such examples: https://rubic.finance

    Presently of course the only utility of this is to trade from one cryptocurrency into another. But eventually the blockchain will grow to encompass other assets. Securities can for instance be placed on the blockchain, and thus in the future it would be possible to do something like directly swapping S&P 500 futures for 10 Year US Treasuries with no requirement to use the Dollar for intermediation.

    One day you may very well be able to instantly generate on demand a debit against your home equity in order to purchase lumber at the Home Depot. You can do that today of course with a home equity line of credit, but in this future you will not need to approach a bank to gain a HELOC and the merchant in question will take possession of a credit against your home equity directly rather than Dollars.

    On a long timescale you can therefore expect crypto to eat the world, and the benefits will be lower cost and more accessible. National currencies of course are unlikely to disappear, and within economies they may function as a reserve asset the way the Dollar (or, previously, gold) functions as an international reserve asset.

    Presently of course the technology has few applications beyond speculation, (allegedly) anonymous payments, and evading capital controls. As the technology matures, and to be fair much maturation is needed, that will change.

    Just as with the internet, this is also unlikely to lead to the flourishing freedom that libertarians predict. If crypto is the real deal, then powerful forces will likely gain control over it.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @mal, @Brás Cubas, @yakushimaru

    The benefit is similar to the internet itself–disintermediation.

    Yeah, but internet is dominated by a few large government integrated corporate conglomerates and people love this, and can’t get enough of.

    Just as with the internet, this is also unlikely to lead to the flourishing freedom that libertarians predict. If crypto is the real deal, then powerful forces will likely gain control over it.

    Like I mentioned elsewhere, is Walmart Dollar a possibility? Maybe. I agree with underlying tech and doing away with commercial banks, they outlived their usefulness, but crypto is going to get centralized, if not by the government directly (through Central Bank), then by government linked corporate conglomerate. So if not US Digital Dollar, then it will be Facebook Libra or Walmart Dollar or whatever. My bet is still on Central Bank regulated digital currency though.

  • @Thorfinnsson
    @Ron Unz

    Suppose there was an exciting new technology which promised to network all of the world's computers. Previously this technology had been limited to academic and military applications, but now this technology was newly commercialized. The technology is at yet poorly understood, expensive, and with few useful applications. But people grasp that this is the future.

    Talented young people pile into the sector, and money backs them. Before long an investment mania ensues, and astonishingly in just five years the value of the sector climbs 400%. People with little understanding and even less interest in technology pile in because they fear missing out. But skeptics keep pointing out that few applications are widely in use, and fewer still are actually making money. One of the world's most famous economists dimly forecasts that less than a decade in the future that this exciting new technology will be apparent to be only as important as the fax machine had been. The smart money bails for the exits, dubious firms collapse, and in under two years the value of the entire sector collapses by four-fifths.

    With public interest gone, what do you suppose the future for this technology might be?

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    Suppose there was an exciting new technology which promised to network all of the world’s computers…With public interest gone, what do you suppose the future for this technology might be?

    Sure, but the Internet actually does something useful as an effective channel for the transmission of information, which everyone always recognized. I remember back around 2000, I published a short piece in the San Jose Mercury News pointing out that a bit down the road everyone in the world would have access to free video-calls, which was a totally obvious prediction.

    I just fail to see what benefits crypto has over government-controlled digital currency for 99+% of the population of any country.

    • Agree: mal, Yevardian
    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    @Ron Unz

    The benefit is similar to the internet itself--disintermediation.

    By decentralizing financial ledgers, crypto can do away with the intermediary role played by financial institutions. Banks and payment processors will become irrelevant for processing payments.

    Eventually, it will diminish demand for currency itself. As more and more assets are placed on the blockchain, it will be possible to seamlessly and instantly trade from one blockchain into an another. You can already see this in action on emerging decentralized crypto exchanges in which one can trade from one blockchain directly into another (for instance, Bitcoin directly into Ethereum) without the intermediary step of selling one asset for currency (say, the US Dollar) and then using that currency to purchase the other blockchain. Here is one of many such examples: https://rubic.finance

    Presently of course the only utility of this is to trade from one cryptocurrency into another. But eventually the blockchain will grow to encompass other assets. Securities can for instance be placed on the blockchain, and thus in the future it would be possible to do something like directly swapping S&P 500 futures for 10 Year US Treasuries with no requirement to use the Dollar for intermediation.

    One day you may very well be able to instantly generate on demand a debit against your home equity in order to purchase lumber at the Home Depot. You can do that today of course with a home equity line of credit, but in this future you will not need to approach a bank to gain a HELOC and the merchant in question will take possession of a credit against your home equity directly rather than Dollars.

    On a long timescale you can therefore expect crypto to eat the world, and the benefits will be lower cost and more accessible. National currencies of course are unlikely to disappear, and within economies they may function as a reserve asset the way the Dollar (or, previously, gold) functions as an international reserve asset.

    Presently of course the technology has few applications beyond speculation, (allegedly) anonymous payments, and evading capital controls. As the technology matures, and to be fair much maturation is needed, that will change.

    Just as with the internet, this is also unlikely to lead to the flourishing freedom that libertarians predict. If crypto is the real deal, then powerful forces will likely gain control over it.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @mal, @Brás Cubas, @yakushimaru

  • 🇷🇺💪🇮🇳 * As usual, "real result" of United Russia would have been around 35% instead of 50% (and a simple majority instead of a Constitutional majority). But Western criticisms much less effective in the wake of analogous - if statistically implausible - claims about the 2020 US elections. * EVERGRANDE. I was a China bull...
  • @utu
    @mal


    "And as far as as winners and losers go, there are always winners and losers in genetic lottery. "
     
    In evolution it is the environment that decides winners and losers. It is possible that your beautiful and smart designer children will be first to be exterminated by Martians for reason only Martians know and you have no way of anticipating.

    Our beautiful and productive cows and pigs that we helped to evolve survive only because they are useful to us. The moment human race is finished all those cows and pigs will end up being losers when confronted with raw nature.

    Replies: @mal

    In evolution it is the environment that decides winners and losers. It is possible that your beautiful and smart designer children will be first to be exterminated by Martians for reason only Martians know and you have no way of anticipating.

    Forced evolution can simulate environments conventional evolution couldn’t even dream of. Humans with tardigrade genetics will be able to nap outside of space stations or in hydrothermal vents. And how exactly being weak, ugly, stupid, and sick will help you fight off genocidal Martians? Not sure how that logic works. I’d think being beautiful and smart would be an advantage to fighting the Martians, not a hindrance.

    Our beautiful and productive cows and pigs that we helped to evolve survive only because they are useful to us. The moment human race is finished all those cows and pigs will end up being losers when confronted with raw nature.

    Feral pig infestation is pretty wild in US. So it’s not all clear cut. But overall, yes, we optimized pigs for meat production, not wilderness. But we can optimize for other traits, including survival, which will help us deal with raw nature, no problem.

    Idiot. What does ‘your’ lineage really mean after five or more generations?

    You recombined DNA will carry on, absorbing more and more information about its environment and developing more and more solutions on how to deal with it. Your lineage is an environmental computer that has been operational for billions of years. Something to be proud and be in awe of. Not quite immortality, but as close as you can get to it in the real world.

    And what do you really mean? You are not even the same person you were when you were like 2 years old – the cells that made up the bulk of your body back then are long dead. You are a new pile of cells stacked together only to fall apart again in short order. The only thing that carries on is information contained in you. And that would be your lineage.

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  • @inertial
    @mal

    Performing medical experiments on strangers is generally considered to be a bad thing. It doesn't make it any better if those strangers are children. In fact, it makes it worse.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @mal

    Performing medical experiments on strangers is generally considered to be a bad thing.

    Who else would you perform medical experiments on? The only reason we even have such thing as medical science is because we perform medical experiments on strangers. You can’t really test things any other way – cell and animal studies will only take you so far. Human trials will always be the gold standard in medicine.

    It doesn’t make it any better if those strangers are children. In fact, it makes it worse.

    Children never get a choice, on the account of never being there when relevant choices are made. It’s just reality of the situation. But it is reasonable to assume that they would prefer to be prettier, taller, smarter, and healthier rather than the other way around.

    • Replies: @inertial
    @mal

    Basically, you want to perform horrible trial-and-error medical experiments on children for the sake of some sort of nerd utopia. No thank you.

    I might go along if we are talking about eliminating some terrible genetic disease by editing a single gene. In that case, the risk/reward ratio is reasonable.

    But "making humanity more intelligent"? No way.

    To begin with, it's a cockamamie objective. Even if achieved without any negative effects it will likely do more harm than good.

    But it will have negative effects. Plenty of them. We know that it requires editing hundreds or thousands of genes. No one knows what else these genes are responsible for, either singly or in combination. You are monkeying around with genetic code when you have only a foggiest idea of how it works. The results will be easy to predict. The poor victims of your experiment will be in for a lifetime of hurt. And for what reason? Gaining a few IQ points? The risk/reward calculation here is equal to infinity.

    You are free to experiment on yourself if you really want to. Leave other people's defenseless children out of it.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  • @mal

    Rafal Smigrodzki, parent of the first polygenically selected child, has some very based views on the mainstream media and acknowledges the 13/50 issue.
     
    Never understood opposition to genetic engineering and 'designer babies'. Genetic engineering is a perfectly natural process that occurs all the time and will occur regardless of what we think or do. I mean, we all started out as single cell organisms and evolved into Chihuahuas or whatever.

    Opposing directed evolution is like opposing showers because you don't like water falling on your head. Sure, but it doesn't matter how much you complain - it's still going to rain. So instead of complaining, why don't we make something useful out of the fact?

    And as far as as winners and losers go, there are always winners and losers in genetic lottery. Directing the process allows us to level the playing field, like pretty much all technology does. So winners can still be winners but losers get a chance to improve their subsequent generations. It's a wonderful thing.

    And ultimately, you can drive evolution far beyond what is currently possible, producing traits such as enhanced radiation resistance and customized immune systems. Why deny humans such gifts?

    Unfortunately, I see "bioethicists" locking up human progress on those matters and banning such research. As I mentioned elsewhere, this where deep space science research stations will certainly come in handy - impossible to find or intercept after launch, they can do experiments and genetic sequencing, transmit data back, and there's nothing anybody will be able to do about it. At least not until it comes back on high elliptic orbit some 20 years down the road.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @inertial, @utu

    None of those are gonna happen since the rationale of progress (“transhumanism”) is rejected wholescale. The tools themselves won’t be used much if at all, since everyone is moving the other way, back into organic social evolution. We are not going to be superhumans but people better adapted to demodernized, post-industrial realities.

    • Disagree: Daniel Chieh, mal
  • @A123
    @mal


    Well, thanks to our Stunning and Brave Congresscritters, we are going to be sanctioning the Germans after all lol.

    The measure authorizes new mandatory sanctions on entities and individuals involved in the construction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, including those that certify the project.
     

     
    A broken clock is right twice a day.

    This action is a rare victory for European Christians and a defeat for SJW "Open Borders" Globalism.

    Of course the DNC passed it for the wrong reason. They are still locked into their Russia, Russia, Russia mythology. Defending traditional Christian values is anathema to DNC leaders, like Ilhan Omar & Rashid Tlaib.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @mal

    European Christians like expensive heating bills?

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @mal

    Christians in Hungary & Poland like seeing expensive heating bills pile up for anti-Christian, "Welcome Rape-ugee" Germans. The purpose of NS2 is to expand and increase "Open Muslim Borders".

    You do realise that SJW Elites dominate Germany, and they hate traditional Christian values? 50/50 odds their next PM will be from the Green Party....

    PEACE 😇

    , @A123
    @mal


    European Christians like expensive heating bills?
     
    European Christians in Poland Sign Nuclear Energy Pact with U.S. (1)

    Polish state-owned mining company KGHM signed an agreement with the U.S. NuScale Power LLC company to build at least four nuclear power plants.

    According to the agreement, the U.S. partner is meant to build several nuclear reactors using the small modular reactor (SMR) technology. KGHM requires at least four nuclear power plants, and the company assumes that the first of the plants will be operational in eight years’ time — in 2029.
    ...
    According to CEO of KGHM Marcin Chludziński, SMR technology is accelerating and it is possible that the time required to construct one of the reactors will be less than the aforementioned eight years.

    Access to cheap energy is a Polish raison d’etat. The growing prices of energy are forcing us and other energy companies to search for stable energy sources, hence our cooperation with NuScale Power,” he said.

    KGHM is currently the seventh-largest copper producer in the world and the second-largest energy consumer in Poland. Therefore, the price of energy is a key factor which influences the company’s efficiency and profit margins.
     

    Poland is headed towards lower energy prices and less expensive heating bills.

    No doubt SJW German/Brussels authoritarians will be very upset by this. Their plans for use of "EU Energy Policy" to undermine democracy in the Visegrád 4 is falling apart. It is not difficult to envision a future where Poland is a net electricity exporter to Germany.

    It is a double win. WEF Elite families have money invested in wind & solar boondoggles. They were counting on government suppression of economically effective electricity generation.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/article/polish-state-mining-giant-kghm-signs-deal-with-us-partner-to-build-nuclear-reactors/

  • @mal
    Well, thanks to our Stunning and Brave Congresscritters, we are going to be sanctioning the Germans after all lol.

    The measure authorizes new mandatory sanctions on entities and individuals involved in the construction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, including those that certify the project.
     
    https://www.rferl.org/amp/nord-stream-us-congress-sanctions-russia/31474034.html?__twitter_impression=true

    Replies: @A123

    Well, thanks to our Stunning and Brave Congresscritters, we are going to be sanctioning the Germans after all lol.

    The measure authorizes new mandatory sanctions on entities and individuals involved in the construction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, including those that certify the project.

    A broken clock is right twice a day.

    This action is a rare victory for European Christians and a defeat for SJW “Open Borders” Globalism.

    Of course the DNC passed it for the wrong reason. They are still locked into their Russia, Russia, Russia mythology. Defending traditional Christian values is anathema to DNC leaders, like Ilhan Omar & Rashid Tlaib.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: mal
    • Replies: @mal
    @A123

    European Christians like expensive heating bills?

    Replies: @A123, @A123

  • Well, thanks to our Stunning and Brave Congresscritters, we are going to be sanctioning the Germans after all lol.

    The measure authorizes new mandatory sanctions on entities and individuals involved in the construction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, including those that certify the project.

    https://www.rferl.org/amp/nord-stream-us-congress-sanctions-russia/31474034.html?__twitter_impression=true

    • Replies: @A123
    @mal


    Well, thanks to our Stunning and Brave Congresscritters, we are going to be sanctioning the Germans after all lol.

    The measure authorizes new mandatory sanctions on entities and individuals involved in the construction of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, including those that certify the project.
     

     
    A broken clock is right twice a day.

    This action is a rare victory for European Christians and a defeat for SJW "Open Borders" Globalism.

    Of course the DNC passed it for the wrong reason. They are still locked into their Russia, Russia, Russia mythology. Defending traditional Christian values is anathema to DNC leaders, like Ilhan Omar & Rashid Tlaib.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @mal

  • Rafal Smigrodzki, parent of the first polygenically selected child, has some very based views on the mainstream media and acknowledges the 13/50 issue.

    Never understood opposition to genetic engineering and ‘designer babies’. Genetic engineering is a perfectly natural process that occurs all the time and will occur regardless of what we think or do. I mean, we all started out as single cell organisms and evolved into Chihuahuas or whatever.

    Opposing directed evolution is like opposing showers because you don’t like water falling on your head. Sure, but it doesn’t matter how much you complain – it’s still going to rain. So instead of complaining, why don’t we make something useful out of the fact?

    And as far as as winners and losers go, there are always winners and losers in genetic lottery. Directing the process allows us to level the playing field, like pretty much all technology does. So winners can still be winners but losers get a chance to improve their subsequent generations. It’s a wonderful thing.

    And ultimately, you can drive evolution far beyond what is currently possible, producing traits such as enhanced radiation resistance and customized immune systems. Why deny humans such gifts?

    Unfortunately, I see “bioethicists” locking up human progress on those matters and banning such research. As I mentioned elsewhere, this where deep space science research stations will certainly come in handy – impossible to find or intercept after launch, they can do experiments and genetic sequencing, transmit data back, and there’s nothing anybody will be able to do about it. At least not until it comes back on high elliptic orbit some 20 years down the road.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @mal

    None of those are gonna happen since the rationale of progress ("transhumanism") is rejected wholescale. The tools themselves won't be used much if at all, since everyone is moving the other way, back into organic social evolution. We are not going to be superhumans but people better adapted to demodernized, post-industrial realities.

    , @inertial
    @mal

    Performing medical experiments on strangers is generally considered to be a bad thing. It doesn't make it any better if those strangers are children. In fact, it makes it worse.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @mal

    , @utu
    @mal


    "And as far as as winners and losers go, there are always winners and losers in genetic lottery. "
     
    In evolution it is the environment that decides winners and losers. It is possible that your beautiful and smart designer children will be first to be exterminated by Martians for reason only Martians know and you have no way of anticipating.

    Our beautiful and productive cows and pigs that we helped to evolve survive only because they are useful to us. The moment human race is finished all those cows and pigs will end up being losers when confronted with raw nature.

    Replies: @mal

  • mal comments on a post from last year: Well, there’s nothing wrong with current Russian commercial space program such – they are launching OneWeb satellites now and there’s a Korean one thats supposed to go on Angara. SpaceX does have more launches but thats because they launch their own Starlink constellation and Russian Sphere is...
  • @mal
    @(((They))) Live

    Because to refuel a single Starship will require like a dozen docking manuevers for the tankers carrying 100 tons each.

    Right now, the fastest and best space dockers in the world are Russians with 3 hours from launch to the ISS. It takes SpaceX like 2 days to do the same thing. And thats just travel. Fuel transfer is on top of that.

    There is only one spaceport right now for Starship sized ships, in Boca Chika. So at least initially, you will have to launch sequentially. Even if all goes well in all the launches all the time (it won't), you are looking at best case scenario of two day turnaround between refueling lanches.

    So realistically, three weeks or so to refuel a single Starship.

    Replies: @Vanya

    To add to that, these three-hour transfers take months of painstaking preparation to execute, partly because there are humans on board, partly because margin of error is very low, unlike in 2-day ISS transfers. For the Russian lunar program in its early phase the plan is to do a 4-launch orbital assembly on LEO, and they dread the possibility of things going wrong enough that many would rather wait for a super heavy booster that will do the job in 1-2 launches.

    • Agree: mal
  • @(((They))) Live
    @mal

    Chemical transfers you say, yeah I do a bit of that myself. I just transferred a can of Guinness into a pint glass, only took me a few seconds. I sorry but I just can't see why transferring liquid Methane and Oxygen from one Starship to another takes weeks, so far you are the only one making this claim

    Replies: @mal

    Because to refuel a single Starship will require like a dozen docking manuevers for the tankers carrying 100 tons each.

    Right now, the fastest and best space dockers in the world are Russians with 3 hours from launch to the ISS. It takes SpaceX like 2 days to do the same thing. And thats just travel. Fuel transfer is on top of that.

    There is only one spaceport right now for Starship sized ships, in Boca Chika. So at least initially, you will have to launch sequentially. Even if all goes well in all the launches all the time (it won’t), you are looking at best case scenario of two day turnaround between refueling lanches.

    So realistically, three weeks or so to refuel a single Starship.

    • Replies: @Vanya
    @mal

    To add to that, these three-hour transfers take months of painstaking preparation to execute, partly because there are humans on board, partly because margin of error is very low, unlike in 2-day ISS transfers. For the Russian lunar program in its early phase the plan is to do a 4-launch orbital assembly on LEO, and they dread the possibility of things going wrong enough that many would rather wait for a super heavy booster that will do the job in 1-2 launches.

  • There's not much point worrying much over geological existential risks. They come too infrequently too be a major risk, and those that do occur more often, are not big enough to matter in the big picture. Still, if there's one risk that is both potentially highly destructive and occurs at a relatively high rate, it...
  • @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Russia is not fulfilling its delivery contracts. (1)


    Russia Suddenly Slows Gas Flow Into Europe

    Russia has steadily decreased the supply of natural gas delivered to Europe over the last few weeks without explanation, according to an industry analysis reviewed by CNBC.

    The decreased natural gas exports occurred shortly after the U.S. and Germany agreed to the completion of the controversial Nord Stream 2 pipeline,
    ...
    “Gazprom is readying itself for starting Nord Stream 2 and it is hoping to exert an element of leverage
    ...
    “If there is less gas around than normal and the price is high then it may streamline that process,”
     
    It is a particularly inept effort at arm twisting. No matter how harsh Putin becomes, Merkel is a "!ame duck". She cannot deliver, and her party is collapsing in the polls.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://dailycaller.com/2021/08/24/russia-natural-gas-export-europe-germany-gazprom/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @El Dato, @YetAnotherAnon

    Russia is not fulfilling its delivery contracts.

    Could you name at least one natural gas-related contract Russia broke? Did anyone got a right to demand penalty? If not, no contract was broken.

    European commission advised everyone to switch from long-term contracts (which Gazprom preferred) to spot market. Europe is reaping what it sowed. Tough luck.

    • Agree: Vishnugupta, El Dato, mal
    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    You are mixing up multiple issues. Let me restate more clearly.

    Russian Gas delivery to Germany via the existing pipeline through Poland is unreliable. As a matter of objective fact, shipments are below normal & expected. Why?

    Some options:

    -1- A technical/production issue has occurred -- Things break. OK, it is plausable. However, there has been no coverage of a major outage or catastrophe. A simple systems failure should have been disclosed by now.

    -2- Russian production is maxed out -- Diverting supply to the highest paying or contractually locked in customers would make sense. However, that would make NordStream 2 a useless investment as there is no additional gas to supply.

    -3- Russian production is not maxed out -- Russia is deliberately losing money by not selling available product to customers with cash in hand. Anyone who thinks Gazprom would take such a provocative action without Kremlin approval needs to have their head examined. This scenario leads back to Putin, or one of his people.

    “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” - Sherlock Homes” ― Arthur Conan Doyle

    If #1 and #2 are impossible, then #3 must be the explanation for the mysterious supply reductions. Is Russia:
    -- Unreliable because they have nothing to sell?
    -- Unreliable because they are refusing to sell what they have?

    Either way, it is hard to see how under utilizing the existing pipelines will accelerate NS2 approval. Just the opposite. It shows that existing pipelines have excess capacity and can easily handle 100% of Russia's desired sales to Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @AnonfromTN

  • @mal
    @mulga mumblebrain

    How many Fukushima deaths have there been due to actual radiation poisoning? Next to none.

    Its like when Americans tested their hydrogen bomb and Japanese fishing boat got caught in the blast range.

    Well, yes, the skipper on that boat died soon afterwards. He was a syphilitic alcoholic and US Navy, while trying to rescue him, messed up his blood type, and destroyed his liver and he died. The rest of his crew was fine and were making anti-nuclear speeches into their 90's.

    Same deal with Fukushima. There will be a lot of scary reports, but nothing long term will be linked to the reactor once long term comorbidities are accounted for.

    Replies: @A123, @El Dato

    Writing from East Central Florida, it’s enough to keep one awake, but I take comfort in knowing that if it takes out NYC & D.C., (as such almost surely would) it would be worth dying for.

    The last time I heard this concept was a number of years ago, the more mathematically robust scientific modelers pointed out two huge problems with the doomsday models. I did a brief look but my 1st pass did not find the articles from back then. If I can find them I will share them.

    -1- When the wave steps up onto a continental shelf area it loses energy density rapidly as it spreads out.
    -2- Inland areas protected by barrier land and an Inter Coastal waterways (where wide enough) will extract huge amounts of energy from a Tsunami even thugh the distance travelled is not particularly far. Something about the decline from above sea level back down into the inter coastal breaks the energy wave into multiple peaks and reflects some of the force back out to sea.

    The map below shows the continental shelf area, and much of Atlantic coast has barrier island/peninsula and inter coastal formations. Inland areas of Florida & South Carolina are probably fairly secure. However, as you move north there are more large river entrances and less shelf. North Carolina & DC inland areas are much more vulnerable.

    Even a 4-6 meter surge will wipe out pretty much everything on the inter coastal land formation. Some of the smaller islands may vanish entirely if they are scoured down a few feet. It would definitely be a bad day to be on the beach.
    ____________

    The doomsday catastrophic scenarios I found most eyebrow raising are the ones for the San Joaquin Valley in California. Over pumping has:
    — Sunk everything by 5-10 feet.
    — Worst locations have subsided by ~40 feet.
    — The aquifer water table has gone down 100-200 feet.
    In the history of the human race nothing this large has been this artificially drained. All of the modelers are concerned about potential undiscovered unique impacts that could have unknowable consequences.

    Due to lack of support, a major earthquake could cause massive sudden subsidence. Imagine the entire San Joaquin Valley filling with Sea Water as a marsh & sea area. A low % chance to be sure, but not impossible.

    The higher % problem is “channeling”. Salt intrusion into the entire aquifer system if the Pacific “tops up” the water table via new underground connections. Everything that depends of pumping fresh water is rendered non-viable.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: mal
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @A123


    Due to lack of support, a major earthquake could cause massive sudden subsidence. Imagine the entire San Joaquin Valley filling with Sea Water as a marsh & sea area. A low % chance to be sure, but not impossible.
     
    Life is full of surprises!

    The Really Big One: An earthquake will destroy a sizable portion of the coastal Northwest. The question is when.


    Flick your right fingers outward, forcefully, so that your hand flattens back down again. When the next very big earthquake hits, the northwest edge of the continent, from California to Canada and the continental shelf to the Cascades, will drop by as much as six feet and rebound thirty to a hundred feet to the west—losing, within minutes, all the elevation and compression it has gained over centuries. Some of that shift will take place beneath the ocean, displacing a colossal quantity of seawater. (Watch what your fingertips do when you flatten your hand.) The water will surge upward into a huge hill, then promptly collapse. One side will rush west, toward Japan. The other side will rush east, in a seven-hundred-mile liquid wall that will reach the Northwest coast, on average, fifteen minutes after the earthquake begins. By the time the shaking has ceased and the tsunami has receded, the region will be unrecognizable. Kenneth Murphy, who directs FEMA’s Region X, the division responsible for Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Alaska, says, “Our operating assumption is that everything west of Interstate 5 will be toast.”
     
  • @mulga mumblebrain
    @mal

    You have NO idea whether the melted down Fukushima nukes have caused death already, or will do so in future. Why pretend otherwise?

    Replies: @mal

    How many Fukushima deaths have there been due to actual radiation poisoning? Next to none.

    Its like when Americans tested their hydrogen bomb and Japanese fishing boat got caught in the blast range.

    Well, yes, the skipper on that boat died soon afterwards. He was a syphilitic alcoholic and US Navy, while trying to rescue him, messed up his blood type, and destroyed his liver and he died. The rest of his crew was fine and were making anti-nuclear speeches into their 90’s.

    Same deal with Fukushima. There will be a lot of scary reports, but nothing long term will be linked to the reactor once long term comorbidities are accounted for.

    • Replies: @A123
    @mal


    Writing from East Central Florida, it’s enough to keep one awake, but I take comfort in knowing that if it takes out NYC & D.C., (as such almost surely would) it would be worth dying for.
     
    The last time I heard this concept was a number of years ago, the more mathematically robust scientific modelers pointed out two huge problems with the doomsday models. I did a brief look but my 1st pass did not find the articles from back then. If I can find them I will share them.

    -1- When the wave steps up onto a continental shelf area it loses energy density rapidly as it spreads out.
    -2- Inland areas protected by barrier land and an Inter Coastal waterways (where wide enough) will extract huge amounts of energy from a Tsunami even thugh the distance travelled is not particularly far. Something about the decline from above sea level back down into the inter coastal breaks the energy wave into multiple peaks and reflects some of the force back out to sea.

    The map below shows the continental shelf area, and much of Atlantic coast has barrier island/peninsula and inter coastal formations. Inland areas of Florida & South Carolina are probably fairly secure. However, as you move north there are more large river entrances and less shelf. North Carolina & DC inland areas are much more vulnerable.

    Even a 4-6 meter surge will wipe out pretty much everything on the inter coastal land formation. Some of the smaller islands may vanish entirely if they are scoured down a few feet. It would definitely be a bad day to be on the beach.
    ____________

    The doomsday catastrophic scenarios I found most eyebrow raising are the ones for the San Joaquin Valley in California. Over pumping has:
    -- Sunk everything by 5-10 feet.
    -- Worst locations have subsided by ~40 feet.
    -- The aquifer water table has gone down 100-200 feet.
    In the history of the human race nothing this large has been this artificially drained. All of the modelers are concerned about potential undiscovered unique impacts that could have unknowable consequences.

    Due to lack of support, a major earthquake could cause massive sudden subsidence. Imagine the entire San Joaquin Valley filling with Sea Water as a marsh & sea area. A low % chance to be sure, but not impossible.

    The higher % problem is "channeling". Salt intrusion into the entire aquifer system if the Pacific "tops up" the water table via new underground connections. Everything that depends of pumping fresh water is rendered non-viable.

    PEACE 😇

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Charles_Finkl/publication/234064144/figure/download/fig1/AS:300019958730754@1448541740406/Atlantic-continental-shelf-along-the-eastern-seaboard-of-the-US-from-Florida-to-New-York.png

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @El Dato
    @mal

    But Japan got lucky as the winds pushed the radioactive plumes from the meltdowns out to the sea (seriously energizing a US CVN - radioactive iodine and whatnot could be found behind various sorts of internal piping a long time after). Plus, they hadn't loaded magnox, or there would also have been plutonium dust.

    If the winds had been different, they would probably still be scrubbing Tokio with water and soap.

    Lady luck smiled, so let's build those nuclear reactors better. Why doesn't Japan just set them onto pontons out at sea? Problem? Open the trapdoor!

    Replies: @Resartus

  • Since the end of the Bush era, disinvitations and cancelation campaigns have become the near exclusive preserve of the Left, with the range of opinion warranting such attacks spreading beyond the traditionally taboo HBD/IQ nexus to encompass more and more areas, such as affirming the existence of physiological differences between the sexes. According to a...
  • @Rosie

    Getting us past the hunter gatherer stage is all men.
     
    Nevermind hunter-gatherers Joe, you're mentally more on the level of a subhuman primate.

    via GIPHY

    Replies: @joe862, @mal

    In my experience, women like subhuman primates. I commute on a motorbike for a reason. Its not that it turns my wife on (she is used to it). But it turns local waitresses on etc. And that threat of competition turns the wife on. It’s fun.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @mal


    In my experience, women like subhuman primates.
     
    Women like ____________.

    If I had a nickel for every different answer I've seen to theis fill-in-the-blank, I'd have a bazillion dollars.

    A sampling of what I've seen:

    Criminal outcasts
    High-status, wealthy men
    Smooth-looking guys
    Rough-looking guys
    Refined but useless artists, and now ... subhuman primates
  • Another pilgrimage to the Fortress Monastery. *** * AOMI. Robin Hanson: The Insular Fertile Future. Reproductively successful cultures are insular from the global culture. * Scott Alexander: Book Review: Modi - A Political Biography * AFGHANISTAN. Apparently internal frictions amongst the Taliban, with Pakistani-backed hardliners winning out and filling the Cabinet exclusively with Taliban (in...
  • @Yellowface Anon
    @mal

    This says a lot on how genetic and how social "identity-building" is.

    Just use the Aristotelian causes schema to see it: genetics and environment are material causes, "social construction" is the efficient cause, identities becoming formal cause.

    Replies: @mal

    Good post. Learned something new tonight.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_causes

  • @mal
    @Dmitry

    Snobby and elitist isn't the main problem. I don't know about Utah, never been there, so can't comment.

    But the coasts are coming after your kids. A friend of mine from Detroit works in California now, his kids were fine in the Midwest, after moving to Cali his son is gay and daughter a lesbian. I knew those kids well in the Midwest, they were normal and happy.

    Even my liberal wife was like "that's strange, what are the odds of both kids turning out like that? And his daughter sounds really dark and depressed".

    When even liberal women are starting to do probability calculations, you know its problematic.

    Its a bit of a dilemma as schools in the South suck relative to the coast, but at the same time, hopefully less brainwashing. I can deal with shootouts by the hood rats, but having your school brainwash your son into cutting off his dick is a bit too much. Stay away from the coasts.

    And even if you don't have kids, people in the coasts will cancel you the moment you say something out of current fashion. I'd rather hang out with deer hunting rednecks, they are nicer people.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    This says a lot on how genetic and how social “identity-building” is.

    Just use the Aristotelian causes schema to see it: genetics and environment are material causes, “social construction” is the efficient cause, identities becoming formal cause.

    • Thanks: mal
    • Replies: @mal
    @Yellowface Anon

    Good post. Learned something new tonight.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_causes

  • @Mr. Hack
    Oh no, Linh Dinh, has announced that he's leaving the UNZ Review. The good news, is that he left an address to his new website. In addition to being quite an excellent writer, he offered viewpoints from the street level that are hard to find anywhere else. Reasons given included no longer wanting to pander to an old white man contingency that seems to predominate at UNZ, and also the incessant barrage of filthy and mindless comments that seem to be getting worse and worse. There's some commentary strewn throughout that laments the fact that Linh was never able to have any control over the comments' section of his blog, like our own impresario here, Anatoly Karlin and also Steve Sailor. I don't understand why, for it seems like a small bonus to afford such a big time writer? Well, I managed to live through the exit of Gustavo Arellano, and certainly will of Linh Dinh, but will miss being able to access his blogsite here, along with other good ones.

    I still miss the comments here of Bashibazuk (Anon4) who didn't really preface his abrupt departure with any meaningful reasoning? I was going back the other day and rereading some of his commentary, he was a class act and probably my favorite Russophile here, even though he was taken to task for some of his "unorthodox" views. I wish that he'd at least make a brief appearance occasionally and let us know how he's doing?

    https://youtu.be/0e2CuyIG7x8

    For Bashibazuk, from one old but happy White Dude! (not bad for 30 years after they posted this super hit).

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Yellowface Anon

    Dinh’s swan song on fat black whores in Capetown is quite an epic troll. It is not easy to try and build any lasting rapport with a population with high ratio autistics.

    Philip K. Dick might have said it best. If you think this universe is bad you should see some of the others.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, mal
  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @mal

    You're both right, right?

    Just like I'm right that my friend isn't actually afraid of flying, even though she is also right that she is. It depends on what level the discussion takes place. Her "fear of flying" is very superficial, yet she often lives in that layer and so she freaks out on planes, but if you take her out of that layer, she is absolutely fine.

    I find this whole problem very frustrating with individuals, so I really don't think I would want to address it on a societal or global level. Nor, obviously, would I be capable of succeeding in that approach.

    Replies: @mal

    Yes. Your logic can be perfectly correct but if your assumptions that feed that logic are incorrect, then your output will be erroneous.

    When your friend fears flying she is employing a perfectly good logic – indeed, should a plane experience a catastrophic malfunction, she will have a very unpleasant experience and will likely die in minutes. This logical sequence is obviously sound, and it is foolish to argue otherwise.

    However, it is based on an assumption that a catastrophic failure will occur despite many safety and redundancy features installed on a modern plane. This assumption is weak. Though obviously not entirely untrue – planes do crash from time to time.

    So while your friends logic is strong, her assumptions are weak. Yes, catastrophic failure will kill you, and at the same time, no, it won’t happen because catastrophic failure is extremely unlikely, though not impossible.

    So challenge your friends assumptions, not her logic 🙂

    Same with me and Mikel. I agree with with his logic, but i disagree with his assumptions. If his assumptions were closer to reality, him and me would converge on the same understanding of reality. (Nothing beats Austrian economics when sources of power are external to the system such as microfinance and such).

    That said, i believe my assumptions are close to reality in general, and so we have “irreconcilable differences” 🙂

  • mal comments on a post from last year: Well, there’s nothing wrong with current Russian commercial space program such – they are launching OneWeb satellites now and there’s a Korean one thats supposed to go on Angara. SpaceX does have more launches but thats because they launch their own Starlink constellation and Russian Sphere is...
  • @(((They))) Live
    @Vanya

    Musk wants to launch Starship multiple times per day from more than one location, so refuelling a Starship won't take weeks, it will be done in days

    Replies: @mal

    That’s what salesmen want you to believe. I do chemical transfers for a living, here on Earth, and if somebody tells me “days”, i know for a fact it will take weeks on the real world.

    That said, its not really a show stopper with 2 year period between launch windows.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
    @mal

    Chemical transfers you say, yeah I do a bit of that myself. I just transferred a can of Guinness into a pint glass, only took me a few seconds. I sorry but I just can't see why transferring liquid Methane and Oxygen from one Starship to another takes weeks, so far you are the only one making this claim

    Replies: @mal

  • Another pilgrimage to the Fortress Monastery. *** * AOMI. Robin Hanson: The Insular Fertile Future. Reproductively successful cultures are insular from the global culture. * Scott Alexander: Book Review: Modi - A Political Biography * AFGHANISTAN. Apparently internal frictions amongst the Taliban, with Pakistani-backed hardliners winning out and filling the Cabinet exclusively with Taliban (in...
  • @Dmitry
    @mal

    With apologies for virtue signalling on this, but for me the fashions hunting in America, are one of things I find most depressing and dislikable about American culture. So probably I wouldn't be too popular in Deep South and Midwest (I will never go with colleagues to some fashionable "hunting trip" to kill beautiful animals like bears or dears).

    In America, I'd prefer a mild climate, and it would be wonderful to be able to visit Mexico regularly or conveniently (i.e. San Diego).

    But from my "YouTube education" - the best states seem mostly in the Northern areas - Washington (Seattle), Utah, Massachusetts.

    This YouTuber claims Massachusetts will be the best state.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXy-kefiaLo

    This YouTuber says Colorado is the best (legal cannabis in Colorado is kind of attractive).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqEp0xsc6RI

    He has Massachusetts and New Hampshire

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgqgyIdvbD8


    -

    But looking at these photos of these upper class areas of Massachusetts like North Boston, is conveying a feeling they have a culture which might be too snobby and elitist.

    https://i.imgur.com/6wZfZuo.jpg

    -

    I guess Utah always sounds like the perfect state, if it could relax laws on harmless things like cannabis, networked with excellent public transport, doesn't include "hunting trips" with colleagues, and would have a highspeed Maglev train that could commute to Palo Alto.

    Replies: @AP, @mal

    Snobby and elitist isn’t the main problem. I don’t know about Utah, never been there, so can’t comment.

    But the coasts are coming after your kids. A friend of mine from Detroit works in California now, his kids were fine in the Midwest, after moving to Cali his son is gay and daughter a lesbian. I knew those kids well in the Midwest, they were normal and happy.

    Even my liberal wife was like “that’s strange, what are the odds of both kids turning out like that? And his daughter sounds really dark and depressed”.

    When even liberal women are starting to do probability calculations, you know its problematic.

    Its a bit of a dilemma as schools in the South suck relative to the coast, but at the same time, hopefully less brainwashing. I can deal with shootouts by the hood rats, but having your school brainwash your son into cutting off his dick is a bit too much. Stay away from the coasts.

    And even if you don’t have kids, people in the coasts will cancel you the moment you say something out of current fashion. I’d rather hang out with deer hunting rednecks, they are nicer people.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @mal

    This says a lot on how genetic and how social "identity-building" is.

    Just use the Aristotelian causes schema to see it: genetics and environment are material causes, "social construction" is the efficient cause, identities becoming formal cause.

    Replies: @mal

  • @mal
    @Dmitry

    Lol, no.

    In the Midwest, it's mostly about rifles and deer heads (hunting season is in October), so you get a lot of that going on. Personally, I don't hunt but I would love to learn how to properly skin a deer and asked to be educated on such matters, but no luck so far from my Midwest friends.

    Deep South US is also all about guns, hunting, and woodworking. Deep South engineers make very good furniture. But heat is harsh in the South, so I don't even want to think about hauling and skinning a dead dear.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Dmitry

    But heat is harsh in the South, so I don’t even want to think about hauling and skinning a dead dear.

    Hunting deer in the south is not like in the movies. The way it works for > 50% of successful hunters is this: you have a hunting stand which is a platform with a chair on a big oak tree (or similar species) branch and you have deer bait nearby on the ground (corn is common; there is some controversy in different jurisdictions over what is legal). When the deer comes for the bait you blast the poor sucker from 40-50 feet. After, you drive your pickup truck next to the carcass and lift the deer up onto the truck bed then you drive to the service that processes your kill for a fee.

    The most strenuous parts are getting your ass up onto the tree stand and getting the carcass up onto the pickup truck bed. If it isn’t too hot you might not even break into a sweat.

    • Thanks: mal
  • There's not much point worrying much over geological existential risks. They come too infrequently too be a major risk, and those that do occur more often, are not big enough to matter in the big picture. Still, if there's one risk that is both potentially highly destructive and occurs at a relatively high rate, it...
  • Wasn’t Fukushima a very powerful tsunami? I mean, Fukushima reactions are retarded, everyone was focused on the nuclear power plant that didn’t really kill anybody, but the earthquake and the floods actually killed 20,000 people. But its like they are invisible.

    And that’s in earthquake hardened Japan.

    Now imagine Fukushima+, same earthquake and tsunami, but slightly more powerful.

    So all those microchip factories, industrial materials factories, in East Asia are under water. How fast can we train the ocean squid to operate a printed circuit board factory? I mean, they are pretty intelligent, and will demand high wages. It can be a problem.

    A few good quakes can put the planetary industrial centers under water. Problematic, unless you are an ocean squid.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    @mal

    You have NO idea whether the melted down Fukushima nukes have caused death already, or will do so in future. Why pretend otherwise?

    Replies: @mal

  • For the past two days I have been awoken by loudspeakers in my neighborhood playing Soviet-themed music telling me to go vote in the elections in a radio announcer type voice. Here are the wealth of choices I have on offer in my district: Elena Gulnicheva, commie QT endorsed by Navalny's "Smart Vote". Incidentally, it...
  • @Art Deco
    Electronic voting is something that should never be done. Voting by post should be restricted to a minority who have an abiding impediment to voting in person (e.g. government employees posted abroad, active-duty military, university students away from home, long-haul truckers, shut-ins, &c). (In the U.S., maybe 10% of the population faces a situation that would justify the use of a postal ballot). Paper ballots cast in person in a cloaked booth where you're not under observation is the only safe way to conduct an election.

    (We've reached a point where Russia's elections are likely cleaner than blue state elections in the US, alas).

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    There’s nothing magical about in-person voting that eliminates or even reduces fraud.

    OTOH, I can see blockchain-based voting rigorously eliminating any possibility of fraud while keeping said vote secret.

    • Agree: The Big Red Scary, mal
    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    @Anatoly Karlin

    This goes not only for voting but also for signatures. Rather than having to ask my secretary to fake my signature when I'm away, it would be far more secure for me to be able to authenticate my digital signature with my private key.

    , @Art Deco
    @Anatoly Karlin

    There’s nothing magical about in-person voting that eliminates or even reduces fraud.

    You can vote in person just once. That reduces fraud.

    , @Caspar von Everec
    @Anatoly Karlin

    How would blockchain voting work and why would it reduce fraud?

  • @Mikhail
    https://www.rawstory.com/maria-butina-patrick-byrne-russian-political-donation/

    Replies: @mal

    For what it’s worth i told my grandmother in Kirov to vote for Butina, but she was in a different district. Still, grandmother voted United Russia, good.

    I guess i could have voted in Russian elections as well, I have a valid internal passport and I’m a fully legal Russian citizen as of last year. Still, feels weird. Maybe next time.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @mal

    I'm attracted to the personality of Maria Butina - these shameless people whose opportunism converts life into epic multinational adventure, seem somehow more likeable than less literary figures.

    There is also something likeable in the mental flexibility of pure opportunist people, that mirror their personality to their self-interest.

    It's like their opportunism is a kind of agreeableness and easy adjustment to reality.

    But from what perspective can she be a competent manager for her constituents?

    She has a history of talent and competence in terms of her relations with wealthy older men. But in the other parts of her "professional diplomatic achievements", her results have failed in disorganized and amateur ways.

    You would not succeed much for football (let alone neurosurgery, construction industry, aviation safety, military strategy, etc) if you hired the people that had disorganized failure and amateurism in their professional career.

    Although it is symptomatic that government managers, are nowadays something more like reality television stars than neurosurgeons, and actual professional results can be less prioritized in politics than for "much more serious professions" like football.

  • mal comments on a post from last year: Well, there’s nothing wrong with current Russian commercial space program such – they are launching OneWeb satellites now and there’s a Korean one thats supposed to go on Angara. SpaceX does have more launches but thats because they launch their own Starlink constellation and Russian Sphere is...
  • @mal
    @Vanya


    Solar panels are cheap and can be made light, such that the performance is similar to nuclear electric for a fraction of a cost.
     
    Solar panels don't work well away from the Sun, so even by Jupiter performance will be meh.

    That said, solar sails are definitely in the cards for future propulsion tech.

    Imagine a nuclear electric tug launching a solar sail on a slingshot manuever around the Sun. Solar sails go wild near the Sun. Now that would be a ride of a lifetime.

    Replies: @Vanya

    True, but I meant that private companies might make solar electric for Earth-Moon missions, it could totally be feasible. Imagine ultra-light (say 0.1 kg per m^2) 5-10% efficiency square kilometer solar array with a plasma rocket engine – it could work as an Earth-Moon shuttle with week-long round trips at very high fuel efficiency, making Starship-like designs unnecessary. The trick is to bring the price of such arrays down to normal solar array levels + figure out how not to turn them into solar sails.

    Solar sail slingshot around the sun would indeed be awesome, in fact at presently feasible technology level it’s probably the only way to get to a solar gravitational lens (to directly image surfaces of exoplanets with high resolution) within a human life time. Combining it with nuclear is a must, since you’d need a lot of power for such missions just to operate the telescope and provide communication.

    • Agree: mal
  • Another pilgrimage to the Fortress Monastery. *** * AOMI. Robin Hanson: The Insular Fertile Future. Reproductively successful cultures are insular from the global culture. * Scott Alexander: Book Review: Modi - A Political Biography * AFGHANISTAN. Apparently internal frictions amongst the Taliban, with Pakistani-backed hardliners winning out and filling the Cabinet exclusively with Taliban (in...
  • @AP
    @Dmitry

    At university in the USA my roommate, an engineering student, built enormous ten foot speakers. Once he connected them to a television and VHS player, and played a porn video at full volume, subjecting half the campus to…the cheesy dialogue and occasional moans. Today he would be expelled for triggering someone but in the beginning of the 90s there were no repercussions.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    VHS player, and played a porn video at full volume subjecting half the campus … beginning of the 90s

    Really a golden age.

    • Agree: AP, mal
  • @Dmitry
    @mal

    Have you met any of this genre of crazy American engineers.

    -

    Sadly, I've seen them only on Youtube, and never worked with any such Americans; but it's a wonderful genre of Youtube.

    There is one who converted his house to a fish aquarium.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqObyjfmd8Q

    There is one who claims he has constructed the world's best hifi in his house. His turntable at 29:30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b2IOOhJmxw

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @mal

    Lol, no.

    In the Midwest, it’s mostly about rifles and deer heads (hunting season is in October), so you get a lot of that going on. Personally, I don’t hunt but I would love to learn how to properly skin a deer and asked to be educated on such matters, but no luck so far from my Midwest friends.

    Deep South US is also all about guns, hunting, and woodworking. Deep South engineers make very good furniture. But heat is harsh in the South, so I don’t even want to think about hauling and skinning a dead dear.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @mal


    But heat is harsh in the South, so I don’t even want to think about hauling and skinning a dead dear.
     
    Hunting deer in the south is not like in the movies. The way it works for > 50% of successful hunters is this: you have a hunting stand which is a platform with a chair on a big oak tree (or similar species) branch and you have deer bait nearby on the ground (corn is common; there is some controversy in different jurisdictions over what is legal). When the deer comes for the bait you blast the poor sucker from 40-50 feet. After, you drive your pickup truck next to the carcass and lift the deer up onto the truck bed then you drive to the service that processes your kill for a fee.

    The most strenuous parts are getting your ass up onto the tree stand and getting the carcass up onto the pickup truck bed. If it isn't too hot you might not even break into a sweat.

    , @Dmitry
    @mal

    With apologies for virtue signalling on this, but for me the fashions hunting in America, are one of things I find most depressing and dislikable about American culture. So probably I wouldn't be too popular in Deep South and Midwest (I will never go with colleagues to some fashionable "hunting trip" to kill beautiful animals like bears or dears).

    In America, I'd prefer a mild climate, and it would be wonderful to be able to visit Mexico regularly or conveniently (i.e. San Diego).

    But from my "YouTube education" - the best states seem mostly in the Northern areas - Washington (Seattle), Utah, Massachusetts.

    This YouTuber claims Massachusetts will be the best state.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXy-kefiaLo

    This YouTuber says Colorado is the best (legal cannabis in Colorado is kind of attractive).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqEp0xsc6RI

    He has Massachusetts and New Hampshire

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgqgyIdvbD8


    -

    But looking at these photos of these upper class areas of Massachusetts like North Boston, is conveying a feeling they have a culture which might be too snobby and elitist.

    https://i.imgur.com/6wZfZuo.jpg

    -

    I guess Utah always sounds like the perfect state, if it could relax laws on harmless things like cannabis, networked with excellent public transport, doesn't include "hunting trips" with colleagues, and would have a highspeed Maglev train that could commute to Palo Alto.

    Replies: @AP, @mal

  • mal comments on a post from last year: Well, there’s nothing wrong with current Russian commercial space program such – they are launching OneWeb satellites now and there’s a Korean one thats supposed to go on Angara. SpaceX does have more launches but thats because they launch their own Starlink constellation and Russian Sphere is...
  • @Vanya
    @songbird

    I think there is space for private companies in advanced Earth-Moon transportation. There is a startup that uses solar light collectors to heat-up hydrogen to achieve 3x the specific impulse of SpaceX Starship, combined with relatively high thrust. Such systems are really simple to make (few moving parts), cheap, and the result is similar or better than nuclear electric propulsion by almost every metric. A good candidate for Earth-Moon transportation is solar electric. Solar panels are cheap and can be made light, such that the performance is similar to nuclear electric for a fraction of a cost. Either way non-chemical propulsion will be slow, but you can imagine caravans of cheap solar-powered cargo vehicles transporting stuff to the moon. The main advantage of nuclear in Moon research is providing stable power for scientific payloads, such as radar.

    Replies: @mal

    Solar panels are cheap and can be made light, such that the performance is similar to nuclear electric for a fraction of a cost.

    Solar panels don’t work well away from the Sun, so even by Jupiter performance will be meh.

    That said, solar sails are definitely in the cards for future propulsion tech.

    Imagine a nuclear electric tug launching a solar sail on a slingshot manuever around the Sun. Solar sails go wild near the Sun. Now that would be a ride of a lifetime.

    • Replies: @Vanya
    @mal

    True, but I meant that private companies might make solar electric for Earth-Moon missions, it could totally be feasible. Imagine ultra-light (say 0.1 kg per m^2) 5-10% efficiency square kilometer solar array with a plasma rocket engine - it could work as an Earth-Moon shuttle with week-long round trips at very high fuel efficiency, making Starship-like designs unnecessary. The trick is to bring the price of such arrays down to normal solar array levels + figure out how not to turn them into solar sails.

    Solar sail slingshot around the sun would indeed be awesome, in fact at presently feasible technology level it's probably the only way to get to a solar gravitational lens (to directly image surfaces of exoplanets with high resolution) within a human life time. Combining it with nuclear is a must, since you'd need a lot of power for such missions just to operate the telescope and provide communication.

  • @Vanya
    TL;DR - some criticism of starship + lots of discussion of nuclear propulsion that hasn't feature systematically anywhere else to my knowledge


    Starship is truly a game changer for low-Earth orbit operations (putting crude but cheap stuff into orbit to built large space stations, transport 100s of people, deploy 100s of satellites at the same time, etc.), but if you think about it, it's rather extravagant as a transport vehicle for deep space.

    Lunar flight will require anywhere between 4 and 16 refuelings per flight to delivery 50-100 tons of payload to Moon's surface. The refueling operation will take between 8 and 32 weeks. During this time the ship in orbit will have to maintain its cryogenic methane storage for months, which is very difficult even on Earth . Flights to Mars and beyond will require similar amounts of fuel or more. That is, to make a 6 month journey to Mars you would have to park your spaceship in Earth orbit for 6 months to refuel. One round trip will take ~3 years total, not taking into account the "small problem" of producing fuel on Mars and 16 refuelings on low Mars orbit. Assuming 10 year realistic life span. Each "Starship" will be able to make 3 round trips to Mars max. Assuming 100 passengers per trip and a price tag of $500 million (very generous, in the long run assuming mass production $1 billion is more like it), you have 300 round trip passengers per starship, or $1.5-3 million per passenger, not even taking into account all other costs. In aviation the cost of the airframe itself is probably only 1/10 (maybe a bit more, I don't remember) of the final flight ticket cost. That is, we easily get into >$50 million per passenger territory.

    Flying to other planets on a "Starship" become downright silly. Going to outer planets is actually easier than going to Mars, since good departure windows occur nearly once a year, but the distances are so great that chemical rockets would take many years to get where they need. The difficulty with parking around Jupiter or Saturn is that you need extra fuel for maneuvers around different satellites, landing, etc, which "Starship" will never have - all methane will evaporate over 5-7 year journeys. The only feasible way for it to break upon arrival is by flying through planetary atmospheres to enter capture orbit.

    Nuclear rockets though are total game changers in many domains, though maybe not in commercial space for now. Nuclear power in low earth orbit is extremely useful on low orbits for military applications. The current Russian plan is to have a 200 kW - 1MW radar system (or several of them) to radiate the entire planet, something ground based radar systems can't do effectively (over-the-horizon ground radars can scan much of the planet but are limited to shortwave radio frequency, which makes it ineffective for precise targeting). Such radars make stealth aircraft pretty much useless + allow for advance targeting of incoming aircraft and missiles. In the future multi-MW space nuclear reactors will be able to fire short laser pulses over vast distances that pack as much energy as artillery shells, with no dissipation. Such laser canons are being developed by Russian scientists for military purposes and for laser-ablative nuclear propulsion (using the nuclear reactors to power lasers that would burn a polymer fuel pellet, thereby multiplying thrust by a factor of 5-10 relative to electric plasma propulsion. More Russian plans using radars - using sounding radars. Most powerful space sounding radars to date are in tens of Watts range, they are able to crudely probe surfaces of planets to depths of hundreds of meters. Nuclear power 500kW class sounding radar will be able to map the crust of the Moon, solar system planets and planetary moons more precisely to depths of many kilometers - unprecedented leap in geology. More will be learned about planetary sciences using these radars than in the past 1000 years.

    Deep space flights only make sense using nuclear electric propulsion. American plans for nuclear thermal propulsion (heating hydrogen using nuclear rods or solar collectors) only make sense for Earth-Moon travel (2-4 week roundtrip max vs 5-7 months for nuclear electric), going anywhere beyond that only makes sense using nuclear electric. The "Zeus" spacecraft will be a 500 kWe nuclear rocket that will take 5 years to go from Earth to Moon to Venus to Jupiter to Callisto/Ganymede. I've heard in a presentation by Keldysh Center senior engineer that the plan is to develop 100 MWe nuclear rocket by 2050. It will have delta-V of ~200 km/s and enough thrust to go to Mars in 39 days, to Jupiter in 6 months, and to outer solar system in 2-3 years with a cargo of ~100 tons (comparable to Starship). That's 10 round trips to Jupiter, 5 to Uranus and 3 to Neptune in 10 years. Mars will still be hard because of inconvenient launch windows, but better than Starship. The cost of construction will be modest. 100 MWe nuclear powerplants are routinely used in ocean vessels (though different designs). Liquid droplet radiators are 10-20x lighter than metal ones , so the mass of 100 MW rocket will be ~400-500 tons including 100 ton payload (lighter than fueled Starship, can be built in Earth orbit using 4-5 Starship launches). It has enough fuel for a round trip (unlike Starship) and can perform maneuvers in planetary systems to hop from one moon to the next. The projected cost of 500 kWe "Zeus" is 5 billion rubles, or ~$200 mil. PPP. Cost is not gonna rise linearly - probably as a square root, i.e. 100 mW will cost about as much as a nuclear ice breaker or an aircraft carrier, especially if large "gas torch" rockets are available and deployment is cheap + mass production will make all the difference. The price is, however, high enough that deep space mission will remain great power domain.

    The limit of nuclear power in space is likely ~100 MWe, maybe you can push to 1GWe, but even droplet radiators increase such that the 1GW ship becomes so massive that there are no efficiency gains from increased electric power. The distant future of electric propulsion in space is still Fusion power. Fusion in space can theoretically be designed such that only 5% or less of fusion energy converts to thermal heating that needs to be removed using radiators. This allows scaling to many GWs or even TeraWatts in the future, allowing 1-2 week flight times to Jupiter and Brachistochrone trajectories (shortest time trajectory vs. currently used smallest fuel burn). Nothing is in the works in Russia r.n., but I know that this is a pet project of irrc chief plasma physicist in Kurchatov institute + Novosibirsk Academy of Science Physics institute converted their experimental magnetic mirror rig in a highly efficient plasma rocket engine. Who knows, maybe they will learn how to turn it into a fusion rocket.

    Right now two institutes are working on nuclear rocket design in Russia - KB Arsenal and Keldysh Center. Literally the entire country is designing or testing parts for this device, almost 100% of the spacecraft is new. There has been a lot of lab work in the US on some components of nuclear rockets (VASIMR engine, radiators, less on reactors), but only this year the defense department realized the potential of nuclear reactors in space, so I'd say the US is currently 15-20 years behind, at best 10 years behind, at worst 30 (no major experience operating nuclear reactors in space, overall degradation of nuclear competence). China is more active. By my estimation based on papers that I've read at least 3 teams are working on each nuclear tug component (reactor, engine, radiators). The Chinese design is basically the same as the Russian design, though funnily their work is more transparent than Russian, they publish their research in major journals in English, Russian breakthrough work has no citations and is located in backwater Russia-language journals, often affiliated with parent Institutes. Very little published work since 2012, a lot of it is top secret.

    Replies: @songbird, @(((They))) Live

    I agree.

    Private space companies can produce a hell of a result with chemical rockets (still to be seen with Blue Origin), but there are limits to what chemical rockets can do. And they can’t clear the regulatory hurdles for nuclear.

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @Vanya
    @songbird

    I think there is space for private companies in advanced Earth-Moon transportation. There is a startup that uses solar light collectors to heat-up hydrogen to achieve 3x the specific impulse of SpaceX Starship, combined with relatively high thrust. Such systems are really simple to make (few moving parts), cheap, and the result is similar or better than nuclear electric propulsion by almost every metric. A good candidate for Earth-Moon transportation is solar electric. Solar panels are cheap and can be made light, such that the performance is similar to nuclear electric for a fraction of a cost. Either way non-chemical propulsion will be slow, but you can imagine caravans of cheap solar-powered cargo vehicles transporting stuff to the moon. The main advantage of nuclear in Moon research is providing stable power for scientific payloads, such as radar.

    Replies: @mal

  • TL;DR – some criticism of starship + lots of discussion of nuclear propulsion that hasn’t feature systematically anywhere else to my knowledge

    Starship is truly a game changer for low-Earth orbit operations (putting crude but cheap stuff into orbit to built large space stations, transport 100s of people, deploy 100s of satellites at the same time, etc.), but if you think about it, it’s rather extravagant as a transport vehicle for deep space.

    Lunar flight will require anywhere between 4 and 16 refuelings per flight to delivery 50-100 tons of payload to Moon’s surface. The refueling operation will take between 8 and 32 weeks. During this time the ship in orbit will have to maintain its cryogenic methane storage for months, which is very difficult even on Earth . Flights to Mars and beyond will require similar amounts of fuel or more. That is, to make a 6 month journey to Mars you would have to park your spaceship in Earth orbit for 6 months to refuel. One round trip will take ~3 years total, not taking into account the “small problem” of producing fuel on Mars and 16 refuelings on low Mars orbit. Assuming 10 year realistic life span. Each “Starship” will be able to make 3 round trips to Mars max. Assuming 100 passengers per trip and a price tag of $500 million (very generous, in the long run assuming mass production $1 billion is more like it), you have 300 round trip passengers per starship, or $1.5-3 million per passenger, not even taking into account all other costs. In aviation the cost of the airframe itself is probably only 1/10 (maybe a bit more, I don’t remember) of the final flight ticket cost. That is, we easily get into >$50 million per passenger territory.

    Flying to other planets on a “Starship” become downright silly. Going to outer planets is actually easier than going to Mars, since good departure windows occur nearly once a year, but the distances are so great that chemical rockets would take many years to get where they need. The difficulty with parking around Jupiter or Saturn is that you need extra fuel for maneuvers around different satellites, landing, etc, which “Starship” will never have – all methane will evaporate over 5-7 year journeys. The only feasible way for it to break upon arrival is by flying through planetary atmospheres to enter capture orbit.

    Nuclear rockets though are total game changers in many domains, though maybe not in commercial space for now. Nuclear power in low earth orbit is extremely useful on low orbits for military applications. The current Russian plan is to have a 200 kW – 1MW radar system (or several of them) to radiate the entire planet, something ground based radar systems can’t do effectively (over-the-horizon ground radars can scan much of the planet but are limited to shortwave radio frequency, which makes it ineffective for precise targeting). Such radars make stealth aircraft pretty much useless + allow for advance targeting of incoming aircraft and missiles. In the future multi-MW space nuclear reactors will be able to fire short laser pulses over vast distances that pack as much energy as artillery shells, with no dissipation. Such laser canons are being developed by Russian scientists for military purposes and for laser-ablative nuclear propulsion (using the nuclear reactors to power lasers that would burn a polymer fuel pellet, thereby multiplying thrust by a factor of 5-10 relative to electric plasma propulsion. More Russian plans using radars – using sounding radars. Most powerful space sounding radars to date are in tens of Watts range, they are able to crudely probe surfaces of planets to depths of hundreds of meters. Nuclear power 500kW class sounding radar will be able to map the crust of the Moon, solar system planets and planetary moons more precisely to depths of many kilometers – unprecedented leap in geology. More will be learned about planetary sciences using these radars than in the past 1000 years.

    Deep space flights only make sense using nuclear electric propulsion. American plans for nuclear thermal propulsion (heating hydrogen using nuclear rods or solar collectors) only make sense for Earth-Moon travel (2-4 week roundtrip max vs 5-7 months for nuclear electric), going anywhere beyond that only makes sense using nuclear electric. The “Zeus” spacecraft will be a 500 kWe nuclear rocket that will take 5 years to go from Earth to Moon to Venus to Jupiter to Callisto/Ganymede. I’ve heard in a presentation by Keldysh Center senior engineer that the plan is to develop 100 MWe nuclear rocket by 2050. It will have delta-V of ~200 km/s and enough thrust to go to Mars in 39 days, to Jupiter in 6 months, and to outer solar system in 2-3 years with a cargo of ~100 tons (comparable to Starship). That’s 10 round trips to Jupiter, 5 to Uranus and 3 to Neptune in 10 years. Mars will still be hard because of inconvenient launch windows, but better than Starship. The cost of construction will be modest. 100 MWe nuclear powerplants are routinely used in ocean vessels (though different designs). Liquid droplet radiators are 10-20x lighter than metal ones , so the mass of 100 MW rocket will be ~400-500 tons including 100 ton payload (lighter than fueled Starship, can be built in Earth orbit using 4-5 Starship launches). It has enough fuel for a round trip (unlike Starship) and can perform maneuvers in planetary systems to hop from one moon to the next. The projected cost of 500 kWe “Zeus” is 5 billion rubles, or ~$200 mil. PPP. Cost is not gonna rise linearly – probably as a square root, i.e. 100 mW will cost about as much as a nuclear ice breaker or an aircraft carrier, especially if large “gas torch” rockets are available and deployment is cheap + mass production will make all the difference. The price is, however, high enough that deep space mission will remain great power domain.

    The limit of nuclear power in space is likely ~100 MWe, maybe you can push to 1GWe, but even droplet radiators increase such that the 1GW ship becomes so massive that there are no efficiency gains from increased electric power. The distant future of electric propulsion in space is still Fusion power. Fusion in space can theoretically be designed such that only 5% or less of fusion energy converts to thermal heating that needs to be removed using radiators. This allows scaling to many GWs or even TeraWatts in the future, allowing 1-2 week flight times to Jupiter and Brachistochrone trajectories (shortest time trajectory vs. currently used smallest fuel burn). Nothing is in the works in Russia r.n., but I know that this is a pet project of irrc chief plasma physicist in Kurchatov institute + Novosibirsk Academy of Science Physics institute converted their experimental magnetic mirror rig in a highly efficient plasma rocket engine. Who knows, maybe they will learn how to turn it into a fusion rocket.

    Right now two institutes are working on nuclear rocket design in Russia – KB Arsenal and Keldysh Center. Literally the entire country is designing or testing parts for this device, almost 100% of the spacecraft is new. There has been a lot of lab work in the US on some components of nuclear rockets (VASIMR engine, radiators, less on reactors), but only this year the defense department realized the potential of nuclear reactors in space, so I’d say the US is currently 15-20 years behind, at best 10 years behind, at worst 30 (no major experience operating nuclear reactors in space, overall degradation of nuclear competence). China is more active. By my estimation based on papers that I’ve read at least 3 teams are working on each nuclear tug component (reactor, engine, radiators). The Chinese design is basically the same as the Russian design, though funnily their work is more transparent than Russian, they publish their research in major journals in English, Russian breakthrough work has no citations and is located in backwater Russia-language journals, often affiliated with parent Institutes. Very little published work since 2012, a lot of it is top secret.

    • Agree: mal
    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin, Levtraro
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Vanya

    I agree.

    Private space companies can produce a hell of a result with chemical rockets (still to be seen with Blue Origin), but there are limits to what chemical rockets can do. And they can't clear the regulatory hurdles for nuclear.

    Replies: @Vanya

    , @(((They))) Live
    @Vanya

    Musk wants to launch Starship multiple times per day from more than one location, so refuelling a Starship won't take weeks, it will be done in days

    Replies: @mal

  • Another pilgrimage to the Fortress Monastery. *** * AOMI. Robin Hanson: The Insular Fertile Future. Reproductively successful cultures are insular from the global culture. * Scott Alexander: Book Review: Modi - A Political Biography * AFGHANISTAN. Apparently internal frictions amongst the Taliban, with Pakistani-backed hardliners winning out and filling the Cabinet exclusively with Taliban (in...
  • @Vitas
    This is the new Russian National Anthem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=989-7xsRLR4

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @AP

    This was better:


    Video Link

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, mal
  • @Dmitry
    @mal

    This long hair Ohio engineer (that invented regulated vaping and temperature control vaping), is probably one of world's most inventive "crazy scientist/Emmett Brown" geniuses.

    Sadly instead of developing time machine, he is spending his life creating chipsets for Chinese e-cigarettes.

    I want to work in environment which allows you to be that eccentric and disorganized. His crazy disorganized desk at 13:00

    https://youtu.be/4LPnEOwBAT8?t=715

    Replies: @mal

    I want to work in environment which allows you to be that eccentric and disorganized. His crazy disorganized desk at 13:00

    Lol you would love my office then. Same mess of paperwork, but I work with chemicals , so I sometimes stick resins to shelves in my office so I can watch them flow down, makes cool stalactites. Strictly speaking, it’s not allowed, but nobody wants to blow up a chemical plant because chemical engineer didn’t understand rheology of the process so watching polymers drooping is something I get to do for fun.

    I’m obsessed about cleanliness on the production floor though. Factory floor is a different story.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @mal

    Have you met any of this genre of crazy American engineers.

    -

    Sadly, I've seen them only on Youtube, and never worked with any such Americans; but it's a wonderful genre of Youtube.

    There is one who converted his house to a fish aquarium.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqObyjfmd8Q

    There is one who claims he has constructed the world's best hifi in his house. His turntable at 29:30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b2IOOhJmxw

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @mal

  • mal comments on a post from last year: Well, there’s nothing wrong with current Russian commercial space program such – they are launching OneWeb satellites now and there’s a Korean one thats supposed to go on Angara. SpaceX does have more launches but thats because they launch their own Starlink constellation and Russian Sphere is...
  • The droplets are made as you pass diffusion pump oil through an atomizer basically.

    The one thing that bugged me about this is Russians used heavy oil as their transfer medium. I personally ran a diffusion pump for like 3 years, as in, operated, took it apart, cleaned it, and I used phenyl silicone diffusion pump oil.

    Phenyl silicone has higher refractive index (its shinier) relative to heavy oil, so if you want to maximize your quantum yield (how much heat you convert into light), you probably want to have shinier stuff.

    Ironically, I used that same pump oil as refractive index tuner for data storage technology materials I was cooking at the same time.

    Anyway, I understand why Russians use diffusion pump oil for this technology. I know how those pumps work, and yes, cooling something like a nuclear reactor in space is a perfect application of the technology.

    But if Putler reads this blog, phenyl is the answer for quantum yield optimization in the organic liquids world. If you can handle solids, titanium is the answer, but this may not be feasible in space. But heavy oil is meh.

  • @(((They))) Live
    @mal

    The problem with the SLS is the cost, why does it all cost so much, its a joke, its using engines developed in the 70s, only the solid boosters are upgraded, they have spent 20 billion so far, SpaceX have spent less on Starship. Starship beats SLS on every metric, and it looks like Starship will reach orbit first

    SLS delenda est

    Replies: @mal

    Hydrogen tech costs more than methane tech. But it also delivers more (hydrogen is the best chemical fuel reasonably possible), so for national security and technical development reasons, I would recommend keeping SLS around.

    Yes, RL-10’s are from 1970’s. And they are expensive. But they push up to 470 seconds ISP. While Musks’s Raptors are good, they only go to 380 seconds.

    You really don’t want to lose the technology and know how for much higher performance engines. Some day there will be a mission for US that will require those extra 90 seconds, and it will be good to have that on tap.

  • Another pilgrimage to the Fortress Monastery. *** * AOMI. Robin Hanson: The Insular Fertile Future. Reproductively successful cultures are insular from the global culture. * Scott Alexander: Book Review: Modi - A Political Biography * AFGHANISTAN. Apparently internal frictions amongst the Taliban, with Pakistani-backed hardliners winning out and filling the Cabinet exclusively with Taliban (in...
  • @Dmitry
    @anyone with a brain

    The vaping industry is mainly based in Shenzhen China.

    But the most sophisticated and industry leading chipset for vaping are designed and manufactured in Ohio USA (by "Evolv").

    You can buy the boards yourself. But I guess mostly they ship these from Ohio, to Shenzhen, where they are built into the Chinese devices.

    So Ohio engineers introduced the first regulated (variable wattage - 2010) and temperature control (2014) chips.

    The temperature control functions because the ohms of the heating material increases with temperature, so on their Escribe software uses models for the different materials to determine their temperature.

    The software also allows you to import different ohm to temperature models for different materials. This can be helpful for users' safety, as the solvents which e-cigarette liquid is composed by, release carcinogenic compounds above certain temperatures, but not below them. ( you can see the possibilities from the datasheet https://downloads.evolvapor.com/dna60.pdf )

    But it seems like vaping will become another stereotype American tragedy, as the authorities begin to ban this life saving technology, presumably because of the influence of the agricultural industry (tobacco industry), as well as funding from Saint-Simonian view of interference in citizens' lives (Bloomberg), and a kind of moral panic about children using Juuls.

    Replies: @mal

    So Ohio engineers introduced the first regulated (variable wattage – 2010) and temperature control (2014) chips.

    Never bet against Midwest American engineers. A century ago, Soviet industrial power was created by guys from Gary, Indiana (it wasn’t a hood rat shithole back then), and now Chinese vaping prowess comes from Ohio.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @mal

    This long hair Ohio engineer (that invented regulated vaping and temperature control vaping), is probably one of world's most inventive "crazy scientist/Emmett Brown" geniuses.

    Sadly instead of developing time machine, he is spending his life creating chipsets for Chinese e-cigarettes.

    I want to work in environment which allows you to be that eccentric and disorganized. His crazy disorganized desk at 13:00

    https://youtu.be/4LPnEOwBAT8?t=715

    Replies: @mal

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @Dmitry

    Have they got stringent QC standards? You know those stories of Chinese batteries bursting in flames, and they are blighting the image of those vehicles, which no amount of marketing can fix.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Svevlad

    China, even if it annihilated all corruption, raised and met standards that are literally impossible, and had god-level production quality, would still be universally hated, and as a matter of fact, if their products became so high quality, the west would only hate them more, because that’s ultra-insubordination. They’re already in a genocidal mood.

    • Agree: mal
    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Svevlad

    Any state and culture will have its admirers and detractors. But in the case of Russia and China, the share of admirers are suppressed and detractors inflated by biased propaganda.

    In a saner world, a China that functions as a significant pole in the Eurasian space will be respected. But so what?

  • @Dmitry
    @Morton's toes

    The scary thing in America is not that they (since Bloomberg in New York as early as 2002) ban public smoking, but that FDA is trying to ban vaping.

    From this month, the FDA will ban the sale of most flavoured eliquids.

    And moreover, American interests (including Bloomberg, but also possibly the tobacco industry) had an influence on the banning of vaping in India.

    Aside from some hipster fashion in Brooklyn, and trade success for China*, vaping had probably been the most important "harm reduction" technology against smoking of recent years, and with a lot of potential for saving lives by substituting for tobacco.

    The Unfolding Tragedy of India’s Vape Prohibition

    The story of a vape-less India, a narrative often overlooked by the Western press, is a major tragedy in the developing war against vaping and tobacco harm reduction, where monied interests and the reaction to the subject in the US may have doomed a lifesaving technology in India.

    As of 2018, India held 12 percent of the world’s billion smokers, constituting about 14 percent of the country’s population, or 120 million total smokers. If you count tobacco use in any form, like the popular bidis (unprocessed tobacco rolled in leaves) or gutkha (chewing tobacco), India’s tobacco-use prevalence jumps up to 29 percent, making it the world’s second largest consumer after its neighbor China.

     

    https://filtermag.org/india-vape-prohibition/

    -

    * Although surprisingly the most important chips, and software, for vaping is designed and made in America.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oiqh1r4tJeA

    Replies: @anyone with a brain

    Although surprisingly the most important chips, and software, for vaping is designed and made in America.

    When I lived in the U.S.A I worked with a dude whose son was involved in founding or something of a vape company, the son was a physics PhD and was looking to go to work at Google where a a friend of his already worked but said that Google was having problems with gender.

    Anyways it brings me to Karlin’s and other’s point about Wallstreet and silicon Valley being brains drains that stunt the growth and innovation.

    I agree. I will present a simple 3 stage model of modernization. Shit country –> moderately prosperous country –> rat race country.

    A shit hole country is where talented people and untalented people have to flee to survive.
    A moderately prosperous country is one where the talented have financial security and can dedicate their talents to what they want to do.
    A rat race country is a country where the talented have to pursue money because financial stability is precarious and difficult to attain.

    What the eleventh Jinping of China has done is veered the course from moderately prosperous country to socialism. By restricting schooling he reduces the rat race aspect of life, by redistributing wealth and limiting company valuations and monopolies he is creating competition for workers, instead of workers competing for a few spots in big companies.

    What I have heard of Bell Labs is that it was heavily controlled by the government is that true?
    I want to echo Michael Hudson and point out that there is tons of money dedicated to rent extraction, not creating wealth. The difference is between buying more slaves/plantations and creating the cotton gin.

    Also lmao at India for going straight from shit hole country straight to rat race country.

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @A123
    @anyone with a brain


    What the eleventh Jinping of China has done is veered the course from moderately prosperous country to socialism. By restricting schooling he reduces the rat race aspect of life, by redistributing wealth and limiting company valuations and monopolies he is creating competition for workers, instead of workers competing for a few spots in big companies.
     
    The desperation of Chinese workers to obtain and retain *996 jobs* shows that the eleventh Jinping of China has kept his predecessors "Victorian Values" on course.

    Workers who made the mistake of investing their life savings with the heavily CCP connected Evergrande seem to be slightly miffed. (1)

    As the collapse of Evergrande reverberates throughout the Chinese economy, pissed off retail investors have gone from storming the company's headquarters to taking management hostage, according to the Straits Times, citing posts 'making the rounds' on social media.

    What we know so far: over 70,000 retail investors forked over vast sums of money, in some cases their entire life savings, after the country's second largest, 'too big to fail' property developer wooed them with promises of 10%+ annual returns. And while the company most likely is TBTF (as you can read in gory detail here, although Beijing has yet to make an official proclamation), these anxious retail investors may be in more of an "Alive" situation than a Sully Sullenberger landing when it comes to resolving this mess.
     
    The Elite CCP is all about funneling wealth and power to the top of their pyramid. If Xi attempted to, create competition for workers, instead of workers competing for jobs, he would be found next morning on a street corner holding a piece of cardboard saying "Will Work For Food".

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/enraged-evergrande-investors-go-full-pitchfork-hold-management-hostage-company-offices

    https://youtu.be/l8wWoQ3_F00

    Replies: @anyone with a brain

    , @Dmitry
    @anyone with a brain

    The vaping industry is mainly based in Shenzhen China.

    But the most sophisticated and industry leading chipset for vaping are designed and manufactured in Ohio USA (by "Evolv").

    You can buy the boards yourself. But I guess mostly they ship these from Ohio, to Shenzhen, where they are built into the Chinese devices.

    So Ohio engineers introduced the first regulated (variable wattage - 2010) and temperature control (2014) chips.

    The temperature control functions because the ohms of the heating material increases with temperature, so on their Escribe software uses models for the different materials to determine their temperature.

    The software also allows you to import different ohm to temperature models for different materials. This can be helpful for users' safety, as the solvents which e-cigarette liquid is composed by, release carcinogenic compounds above certain temperatures, but not below them. ( you can see the possibilities from the datasheet https://downloads.evolvapor.com/dna60.pdf )

    But it seems like vaping will become another stereotype American tragedy, as the authorities begin to ban this life saving technology, presumably because of the influence of the agricultural industry (tobacco industry), as well as funding from Saint-Simonian view of interference in citizens' lives (Bloomberg), and a kind of moral panic about children using Juuls.

    Replies: @mal

    , @Almost Missouri
    @anyone with a brain


    What I have heard of Bell Labs is that it was heavily controlled by the government is that true?
     
    Semi. In the mid-twentieth century, Bell Labs's owner, AT&T, was basically a national monopoly, like the an electricity utility but for telephony. So the research at Bell Labs was paid for by what was effectively a semi-invisible national tax on phone calls. Though Bell was officially an "industrial lab", they did sponsor some research that was pretty far afield form their core mission, stuff about deep space, the origin of the universe, etc., i.e. the kind of stuff that appeals to the same physics nerds who do radio-frequency research and network utility theory. I think they even employed a Nobel winner or two. Anyhow, calling it "controlled" by the government is IMHO too strong. It was sort of funded by the government through its government-sanctioned defacto monopoly, but the research was directed by AT&T lab executives, not federal bureaucrats. That said, there were probably cases where the DoD or NSA dropped by to "get a little help" with something or other. And there's no denying that the Federal government was a major customer of AT&T, even if the overwhelming majority of that custom was the prosaic provision of phone service to ordinary telephones. Hey, bureaucrats have to make phone call too.

    In IIRC the 1980s, AT&T's monopoly began breaking up, and AT&T had to streamline because it could no longer rely on national monopoly rent revenues. Bell Labs eventually stopped doing anything that didn't have decently foreseeable ROI. Besides that Bell Labs was shrinking both in staff and mission, Silicon Valley became the new exciting place for young nerds to launch their careers. Plus California bay area vs. New Jersey, I mean, c'mon man! Today, Bell Labs is a shadow of its former self. What was left after all the streamlining and downsizing was sold off to French Alcatel who then sold it on to Finnish Nokia.

    Replies: @anyone with a brain

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    • Thanks: tyrone, mal
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @A123

    The last time I was inside a restaurant that permitted cigarette smoking it was a Waffle House in Nashville TN.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  • @mal
    @Mikel


    You may still be forced to pay your taxes in a devalued currency but, once it loses its value for day-to-day transactions, governments cannot do anything practical to avoid people switching to more useful means of exchange.
     
    Large corporations will not give up USD for some "Uncle Bills' Coupon". So if you want to shop Amazon or WalMart, and vast numbers of people do, you will need government approved and regulated currency.

    Theoretically, Walmart dollar is indeed a possibility as i mentioned before. But that would be rather drastic.

    "Arrgh"

    I'm assuming you wanted to make 50 rods of course.

    Replies: @A123

    “Arrgh”

    I’m assuming you wanted to make 50 rods of course.

    Of course, using the to rods to catch fish is naive. The most important thing is using the rods to make red pebbles. “Pebble Rods” are a financial leverage multiplier.

    ;<P

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Mikel, mal
  • mal comments on a post from last year: Well, there’s nothing wrong with current Russian commercial space program such – they are launching OneWeb satellites now and there’s a Korean one thats supposed to go on Angara. SpaceX does have more launches but thats because they launch their own Starlink constellation and Russian Sphere is...
  • @mal
    @songbird

    Amur is a nice little rocket, Soyuz replacement i believe, it will be used for some specialized orbits but it's no heavy lift.

    Russia is trying to avoid heavy lift route due to costs, it seems like. Angara 5V will do 37 tons which may or may not be sufficient. Keep in mind that ultimately, with nuclear tug, it becomes 37 tons to almost anywhere in the solar system direct which is insane.

    Imagine a three stage orbital assembly - 37 tons for nuclear tug, 37 tons fuel, 37 tons payload.

    With those 7,000 second ISP ion engines, your delta v budget will be like 28 km/s. By contrast, Starship, even fully fueled will be gimped by those 380 seconds ISP Raptors. 1320 tons full, 120 tons hull mass, and 100 ton payload only gives you 7 km/s delta v. You will be waiting forever for gravity assist launch window.

    28 km/s is a lot better than 7 km/s. Even if Russian ISP will be lower than 7,000, say 4,000, you are still looking at 16 km/s. Plasma accelerators are the future. Starship Raptors are nice engines but they are outclassed.

    Another curious thing about Starship. I see a lot of development of the freighter, but not a lot about payload. Maybe I missed something, but i haven't heard anyone saying "Yay! We made a 100 ton Mars Bulldozer! Let's test it!".

    There is no satellite or other space vehicle currently in development that can fill a Starship. Those vehicles take many years to develop and build, and yet no announcements have been made. They are rather expensive too.

    So there is only one agency right now with money and secret payload development capability - Pentagon. So likely of Starship being a military bomber/killer robot delivery vehicle is high.

    Replies: @Carlo, @Aedib, @(((They))) Live, @songbird

    Many people seem very excited about the potential of the Advanced Cryogenic Evolved Stage of the Vulcan to use Moon fuel and refill that way. But I really don’t know enough about it to say whether it hype or not.

    From my perspective, the main potentiality of the moon is as a weapons base and all this other stuff is mainly about getting lesbo black women to the moon.

    • Agree: mal
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @VVV

    I realized I was wrong about peak oil when the US, a country with relatively scarce oil reserves (relative to ME and Russia, say), which had furthermore been exploiting those reserves most intensely and for the longest time, started to massively expand production in a near vertical upwards line, breaking all the nice "Hubbert's Peak" projections, and eventually recovering its 1970 era peak and going well beyond that.

    If you can do that in the US, then you can repeat it Russia, China, Middle East, etc. and at a much greater scale (if it becomes economic to do so).

    Replies: @mal

    It’s not so much the economics that I’m concerned about, but rather various permitting limitations for resource extraction and heavy industry.

    Things can make economic sense, but if Scary Child Greta says you can’t build a mine, then you can’t build a mine.

    I’m not concerned about Peak Oil, or peak cobalt, or peak copper or whatever. There is almost infinite amount stuff out there, but if suburban housewives build a school over it, you ain’t getting it. As world grows richer, number of suburban housewives will increase in places like China, Africa, etc. Places where we usually mine things and process things. And to be fair, the housewives do have a point. Then again, maybe pollution abatement technology will advance fast enough for us to co-exist peacefully.

    From my personal experience in US chemical industry, we did have a boom, but please look where – South where permits are easier to get, so fracking could get developed. So we got polyethylene production boom basically, thanks to cheap petrochemical feedstock and energy. But there is more to industrial civilization than polyethylene, as important as it is. And even with fracking and polyethylene, New York Times was complaining about it non stop. So I don’t know if fracking boom can be replicated in the US as easy going pro-business Southern attitudes are replaced by more complaining from NYT elite opinion makers.

    If New York Times thinking spreads to China and Africa, we may run into problems on Earth.

  • @AaronB
    @mal

    I am reminded of what Alan Watts once said about the Great Depression -


    So, you remember the great depression. I expect a number of you around are old enough to remember the great depression when one day everybody was doing business and things were going along pretty well and the next day there were bread lines.

    It was like someone came to work and they said to him “sorry chum but you can’t build today, no building can go on, we don’t have enough inches.” He’d say, “what do you mean we don’t have enough inches, we’ve got wood haven’t we? We’ve got metal, we’ve even got tape measures.” He’d say, “yeah, but you don’t understand the business world, we just haven’t got enough inches. We’ve used too much of ‘em.”

    And that’s exactly what happened when we had the depression. Because money is something of the same order of reality as inches, grams, meters, pounds or lines of latitude and longitude. It is an abstraction. It is a method of book keeping to obviate the cumbersome procedures of barter. But our culture, our civilization is entirely hung up on the notion that money has an independent reality of its own.”
     
    It's in an essay about confusing abstractions with concrete reality - link here. https://www.google.com/amp/s/sebasbuchner.com/2013/05/03/sorry-guys-we-havent-got-enough-inches/amp/

    Replies: @Mikel, @mal

    Me and Mikel are coming from two different perspectives.

    He thinks of money as a medium of exchange between free independent agents operating under conditions of scarcity.

    If you frame it this way, he is absolutely right. If his assumptions are correct, then his logic is sound too.

    However, I think of money as a tool of social engineering mostly used for status gain and power between highly unequal agents operating under conditions of abundance. We live in infinite universe with unlimited energy so on.

    I think my assumptions are closer to reality. We live in an abundant world, but our actions are limited, by ourselves and others around us. Including warlords demanding red pebbles to gain status, else they shoot you in the head.

    So in the real world, you have laws, and taxes, and yes, credit allocation, that is based purely on power and not rational economic interests. I think this is closer to reality compared to Austrian economic theory.

    • Thanks: AaronB
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @mal

    You're both right, right?

    Just like I'm right that my friend isn't actually afraid of flying, even though she is also right that she is. It depends on what level the discussion takes place. Her "fear of flying" is very superficial, yet she often lives in that layer and so she freaks out on planes, but if you take her out of that layer, she is absolutely fine.

    I find this whole problem very frustrating with individuals, so I really don't think I would want to address it on a societal or global level. Nor, obviously, would I be capable of succeeding in that approach.

    Replies: @mal

  • @mal
    @Yellowface Anon


    You just shift some of the same limited resources from uses that is feasible under a stable pebble-mining regime to ones that are short-term in outlook.
     
    Societies and economies always operate below potential. If you restrict production to only pebble based activity, it is obvious that production would increase with the amount of pebbles increasing.

    If your theoretical fishing rod production was 100 rods, but you were restricted by law to only make 25 rods because you only had 25 pebbles, then doubling your pebbles would allow you to make 50 rods. Again, rather obvious scenario.

    Do they get shot by reverting of the old ways of bartering, albeit more discreetly? (grey economy) And even if that’s the case, it’s rule by intimidation.
     
    How do you barter haircuts for cancer surgery? 80% of the economy is services. And LOL, yes, it is rule by intimidation, that's kinda how it works. Try not paying taxes some time, see how it will work out.

    In the example island economy, they can barter, but they need to give pebbles to local lord as tribute, so they need pebbles ultimately. If they don't, they get shot in the head.

    True, whether the state is local or national or global. Libertarians and anarchists want to abolish all those entirely. Which is why decentralizing money is one of their strategies.
     
    Good luck with that. But I think you will simply end up with warlords in the end. And then its back to pebbles and getting shot.

    Good luck convincing anyone in Florida those FedCoin CBDCs are good ole’ fiat dollar. Not even A123 is impressed. (You might have better luck in Japan only because of more Confucian, conformist ethics)
     
    People don't have a problem with Federal Reserve notes now, right? I think they will get used to FedCoin too.

    It’s true in modern society, and only in modern society is this exaggerated. If the entire world goes Taoist or Mad-Max, BAM! Status signaling comes by forms other than money.
     
    Agree but then we will have bigger problems than monetary policy.

    What he means is particularly human ways of waging war, i.e. by statecraft.
     
    Statecraft is just nicely dressed warlord. Or an Ant Queen.

    Any economic theory without a moral or spiritual foundation eventually leads to impoverishment.
     
    Agree. Economy is just a tool to achieve goals. But those goals will need to come from elsewhere.

    Replies: @Mikel, @A123, @AaronB

    I am reminded of what Alan Watts once said about the Great Depression –

    So, you remember the great depression. I expect a number of you around are old enough to remember the great depression when one day everybody was doing business and things were going along pretty well and the next day there were bread lines.

    It was like someone came to work and they said to him “sorry chum but you can’t build today, no building can go on, we don’t have enough inches.” He’d say, “what do you mean we don’t have enough inches, we’ve got wood haven’t we? We’ve got metal, we’ve even got tape measures.” He’d say, “yeah, but you don’t understand the business world, we just haven’t got enough inches. We’ve used too much of ‘em.”

    And that’s exactly what happened when we had the depression. Because money is something of the same order of reality as inches, grams, meters, pounds or lines of latitude and longitude. It is an abstraction. It is a method of book keeping to obviate the cumbersome procedures of barter. But our culture, our civilization is entirely hung up on the notion that money has an independent reality of its own.”

    It’s in an essay about confusing abstractions with concrete reality – link here. https://www.google.com/amp/s/sebasbuchner.com/2013/05/03/sorry-guys-we-havent-got-enough-inches/amp/

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AaronB

    Hey Aaron, not sure where you are now. There's a new storm coming to the Rockies on Sunday/Monday so expect cold weather and snow at high altitudes. Enjoy!

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @mal
    @AaronB

    Me and Mikel are coming from two different perspectives.

    He thinks of money as a medium of exchange between free independent agents operating under conditions of scarcity.

    If you frame it this way, he is absolutely right. If his assumptions are correct, then his logic is sound too.

    However, I think of money as a tool of social engineering mostly used for status gain and power between highly unequal agents operating under conditions of abundance. We live in infinite universe with unlimited energy so on.

    I think my assumptions are closer to reality. We live in an abundant world, but our actions are limited, by ourselves and others around us. Including warlords demanding red pebbles to gain status, else they shoot you in the head.

    So in the real world, you have laws, and taxes, and yes, credit allocation, that is based purely on power and not rational economic interests. I think this is closer to reality compared to Austrian economic theory.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  • @A123
    @mal



    Good luck convincing anyone in Florida those FedCoin CBDCs are good ole’ fiat dollar. Not even A123 is impressed. (You might have better luck in Japan only because of more Confucian, conformist ethics)
     
    People don’t have a problem with Federal Reserve notes now, right? I think they will get used to FedCoin too.
     
    The big hurdle is that physical notes can change hands without a specific trace to the buyer. If I go the liquor store and buy beer with cash, it cannot be reported to a government healthcare service. Anyone who thinks the government run CBDC's would be anonymous is staggeringly naive.

    Even though fiat notes and fiat CBDC are both fiat -- I vastly prefer the fiat USD deposits that can be withdrawn as greenbacks.
    ____

    As I mentioned above, any attempt to go electronic only is doomed. Sovereign American Indian Nations will gladly fabricate however many Casino tokens are needed. It is a great business proposition for them.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @mal

    If I go the liquor store and buy beer with cash, it cannot be reported to a government healthcare service. Anyone who thinks the government run CBDC’s would be anonymous is staggeringly naive.

    I get what you are saying, and i agree. It’s a problem. Personally, i don’t care what people spend money on. From monetary planning perspective, i would only care about aggregates. If people wanted to buy hookers and cocaine, its fine because then hookers and cocaine dealers will buy breakfast cereal. So its all good.

    But others may not see it the same. That said, credit card purchases are tracked, and credit cards are quite popular. So i think its just a matter of time and building trust.

    • Replies: @A123
    @mal


    From monetary planning perspective, i would only care about aggregates.
    ....
    credit card purchases are tracked, and credit cards are quite popular. So i think its just a matter of time and building trust.
     
    Making the big items fully electronic (e.g. mortgage, car payments, insurance, taxes) is really easy. And to your purpose, those are the ones that really matter for aggregate monetary planning.

    Giving someone a $10 tip in cash is much more powerful than writing $10 in the tip section of the credit card restaurant bill. Going from 80% to 100% Electronic is guaranteed to increase government tax collection and make those near the bottom of the economic ladder poorer.

    It is not a matter of trust. It is a matter of enlightened self interest.

    PEACE 😇

  • @Mikel
    @mal


    I have demonstrated how increase in pebble supply will indeed result in increase in material conditions.
     


    This is exactly how good standard came about in prehistoric times.
     

    Do you seriously believe money predates war? LOL
     
    This is why I wouldn't debate chemistry or space rocket technology with you. I hope I wouldn't lose the plot like this but you would also get frustrated when you realized that I'm not following you and you're not getting anything from me.

    You have involuntarily brought up another interesting question though: in the long term MMT could only succeed if indeed the government used physical violence to enforce the use of the official currency in private (horizontal) transactions. Contrary to what you say, governments never go to those extremes though. You may still be forced to pay your taxes in a devalued currency but, once it loses its value for day-to-day transactions, governments cannot do anything practical to avoid people switching to more useful means of exchange.

    https://lenpenzo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/wheelbarrow-wallet.png

    Replies: @mal

    You may still be forced to pay your taxes in a devalued currency but, once it loses its value for day-to-day transactions, governments cannot do anything practical to avoid people switching to more useful means of exchange.

    Large corporations will not give up USD for some “Uncle Bills’ Coupon”. So if you want to shop Amazon or WalMart, and vast numbers of people do, you will need government approved and regulated currency.

    Theoretically, Walmart dollar is indeed a possibility as i mentioned before. But that would be rather drastic.

    “Arrgh”

    I’m assuming you wanted to make 50 rods of course.

    • Replies: @A123
    @mal



    “Arrgh”
     
    I’m assuming you wanted to make 50 rods of course.
     
    Of course, using the to rods to catch fish is naive. The most important thing is using the rods to make red pebbles. "Pebble Rods" are a financial leverage multiplier.

    ;<P

    PEACE 😇
  • mal comments on a post from last year: Well, there’s nothing wrong with current Russian commercial space program such – they are launching OneWeb satellites now and there’s a Korean one thats supposed to go on Angara. SpaceX does have more launches but thats because they launch their own Starlink constellation and Russian Sphere is...
  • @(((They))) Live
    @mal

    Some of the people who worked on the James Webb telescope are already thinking of something bigger, since they work for NASA, they will say the next big telescope will use the SLS, but like the Europa Clipper my guess is that they will use Starship. SLS delenda est

    Anyone wanting to send probes to the outer Planets will want to use Starship

    Most people with a serious interest in Space now assume that Starship will work, even Besos has come to that conclusion and is now working on his own smaller version called Jarvis, Besos won't show us any concept art, apparently he's worried competitors will steal his ideas, LOL

    SLS delenda est

    Replies: @mal

    I’m sure it will work. Starship is a combination of Soviet N1 rocket with Soviet RD-270 full flow staged combustion engine, with vastly improved electronics and controls, and optimized for methane.

    Its actually a very good, robust design. Kinda surprised Russians didn’t go for it first.

    But i wouldn’t put all my eggs in one basket. SLS is a very powerful rocket with a very good upper stage (those RL-10’s are pretty awesome). And its already almost done. So i would keep some missions for it, just in case.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
    @mal

    The problem with the SLS is the cost, why does it all cost so much, its a joke, its using engines developed in the 70s, only the solid boosters are upgraded, they have spent 20 billion so far, SpaceX have spent less on Starship. Starship beats SLS on every metric, and it looks like Starship will reach orbit first

    SLS delenda est

    Replies: @mal

  • @(((They))) Live
    @Carlo

    Na, the goal has always been Mars, but they have to make money to get there

    Replies: @mal

    Then where’s the hype over 100 ton Mars bulldozer or whatever? Where’s Martian payload development?

    I mean, NASA has Perseverance rover on Mars. Its an amazing human achievement. It cost a ton of money, and mission was known years in advance, and launch windows established, and you could track them building and testing it.

    And what’s that thing weigh? 2 tons? Now can you imagine 100 ton payload? It would be monumental human achievement. So where is the hype? Where is the mission development?

    I don’t see it. I do see an obvious interest from US military though, and i know for a fact they have ready payload – Rods from God orbital bombs, and probably killer robots/drones too. So i make a rational conclusion that Starship is a military orbital freighter/bomber.

    • Agree: Carlo
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @mal


    Jeff Bezos is correct – heavy industry will be forced off planet by the environmental movement.
     
    Agreed except this.

    Historically, resources are #downonly. (Oil price / S&P 500).

    https://i.imgur.com/Ix9EhBF.png

    Replies: @mal, @VVV, @songbird

    Maybe. We’ll see i guess.

  • @songbird
    What about Amur? Isn't it a gas burner? Or is it too little, too late to actually get built?

    Replies: @mal

    Amur is a nice little rocket, Soyuz replacement i believe, it will be used for some specialized orbits but it’s no heavy lift.

    Russia is trying to avoid heavy lift route due to costs, it seems like. Angara 5V will do 37 tons which may or may not be sufficient. Keep in mind that ultimately, with nuclear tug, it becomes 37 tons to almost anywhere in the solar system direct which is insane.

    Imagine a three stage orbital assembly – 37 tons for nuclear tug, 37 tons fuel, 37 tons payload.

    With those 7,000 second ISP ion engines, your delta v budget will be like 28 km/s. By contrast, Starship, even fully fueled will be gimped by those 380 seconds ISP Raptors. 1320 tons full, 120 tons hull mass, and 100 ton payload only gives you 7 km/s delta v. You will be waiting forever for gravity assist launch window.

    28 km/s is a lot better than 7 km/s. Even if Russian ISP will be lower than 7,000, say 4,000, you are still looking at 16 km/s. Plasma accelerators are the future. Starship Raptors are nice engines but they are outclassed.

    Another curious thing about Starship. I see a lot of development of the freighter, but not a lot about payload. Maybe I missed something, but i haven’t heard anyone saying “Yay! We made a 100 ton Mars Bulldozer! Let’s test it!”.

    There is no satellite or other space vehicle currently in development that can fill a Starship. Those vehicles take many years to develop and build, and yet no announcements have been made. They are rather expensive too.

    So there is only one agency right now with money and secret payload development capability – Pentagon. So likely of Starship being a military bomber/killer robot delivery vehicle is high.

    • Replies: @Carlo
    @mal

    This only confirms what some have been saying: that SpaceX goal is not Mars, but fast military deployment within Earth. These monsters would fly a suborbital path and land anywhere in the world within minutes, to continue spreading democracy, diversity and human rights.

    Replies: @(((They))) Live

    , @Aedib
    @mal

    Starship seems to me as a retro-futuristic and Flash Gordon comic-style thing. I doubt about the ability of this strange “thing” to reach the space.

    Replies: @George Taylor

    , @(((They))) Live
    @mal

    Some of the people who worked on the James Webb telescope are already thinking of something bigger, since they work for NASA, they will say the next big telescope will use the SLS, but like the Europa Clipper my guess is that they will use Starship. SLS delenda est

    Anyone wanting to send probes to the outer Planets will want to use Starship

    Most people with a serious interest in Space now assume that Starship will work, even Besos has come to that conclusion and is now working on his own smaller version called Jarvis, Besos won't show us any concept art, apparently he's worried competitors will steal his ideas, LOL

    SLS delenda est

    Replies: @mal

    , @songbird
    @mal

    Many people seem very excited about the potential of the Advanced Cryogenic Evolved Stage of the Vulcan to use Moon fuel and refill that way. But I really don't know enough about it to say whether it hype or not.

    From my perspective, the main potentiality of the moon is as a weapons base and all this other stuff is mainly about getting lesbo black women to the moon.

  • Can the same be said of deep space? Asteroid belt mining has been often speculated about. But most resources are very cheap – and have been becoming much cheaper relative to the size of the world economy.

    Currently, i don’t see commercial projects in deep space being viable. BUT – it won’t always be this way.

    First, i want those Zeuses/Nuklons going to the Jupiter moons and such. Russian nukes will melt the ice and drill deep down. With half a megawatt of electricity on tap the amount of science can be done is massive. It can revolutionize our knowledge of the Solar System.

    Second, I’m not saying aliens, but… lol. Things like Oumuamua demonstrated that we can’t see a damn thing in space. We seriously need to consider planetary defense against various suspicious flying rocks. Even if they don’t hit Earth directly, we need to know they are coming and sample them whenever possible. Science gains are huge, and it may even save the planet. And again, those half MW units can power some insane observation capabilities.

    Third, as weird as it sounds, but future of space is in biotech. There are some very interesting things happening tissue engineering and 3D printing cells already. Russians are planning to send their new space station to less protected polar orbit to study radiation resistance of living critters. I think its a correct move and we will be pleasantly surprised. Also, on Earth there are various ignorant calls to ban important biotech research. Automated deep space orbital science stations can be used to successfully run away from Earth based “bioethicists”. That research will be worth $trillions.

    And finally, while resources are cheap now, this may change. As world GDP grows, Africans etc will richer. Once they get rich, they will start banning resource extraction on their lands. Nobody wants to live next to a cobalt mine. Environmental movements will flourish and extraction industries will get banned on Earth.

    Jeff Bezos is correct – heavy industry will be forced off planet by the environmental movement. Asteroid mining will become viable then.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @mal


    Jeff Bezos is correct – heavy industry will be forced off planet by the environmental movement.
     
    Agreed except this.

    Historically, resources are #downonly. (Oil price / S&P 500).

    https://i.imgur.com/Ix9EhBF.png

    Replies: @mal, @VVV, @songbird

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @mal


    I have demonstrated how increase in pebble supply will indeed result in increase in material conditions.
     
    You just shift some of the same limited resources from uses that is feasible under a stable pebble-mining regime to ones that are short-term in outlook.

    If pebble was the mechanism of exchange, and they got shot for not using it, they would understand quickly why pebble was important.

    This is exactly how good standard came about in prehistoric times. Do you think starving cavemen cared about gold? No lol. They were trying to survive. But warlords and priests liked shiny things, and they could murder the starving peasants and take what they wanted. This is why gold, useless metal in those times, became so valuable. You could give it to a warlord or a priest and they would murder your rivals because they liked shiny things.

     

    Do they get shot by reverting of the old ways of bartering, albeit more discreetly? (grey economy) And even if that's the case, it's rule by intimidation.

    The way increasingly centralized city-states concentrated the monopoly on issuing media of exchange was true. But that doesn't mean we can aspire to a form of money that is more affected by market conditions than political will.


    States can lose monopoly on violence, but this typically happens after they lose a war (in Venezuela’s case, its sanctions/trade war), and as soon as state regains its power, those substitutes once again become subordinate to the state.
     
    True, whether the state is local or national or global. Libertarians and anarchists want to abolish all those entirely. Which is why decentralizing money is one of their strategies.

    Americans will continue to use dollars just like Japanese will continue to use Yen.
     
    Good luck convincing anyone in Florida those FedCoin CBDCs are good ole' fiat dollar. Not even A123 is impressed. (You might have better luck in Japan only because of more Confucian, conformist ethics)

    I got good news for you: money is still relatively scarce and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.
     
    It is always scarce, no matter whether the Franklin fetches $100 or $100 million. It isn't the numerals, but real transactions that give money value and hence the level of scarcity. It is even scarcer in a hyperinflationary scenario where even the existing bucks quickly becomes worthless and useless.

    Money, as a tool of social engineering, is used to confer status, and status is relative, so desire for status is indeed infinite. So is money demand.
     
    It's true in modern society, and only in modern society is this exaggerated. If the entire world goes Taoist or Mad-Max, BAM! Status signaling comes by forms other than money.

    But no need to make ordinary people suffer needlessly because of this. Hence basic income and credit.
     
    Go outside of the post-industrial economy and see. Buddha says people will suffer more or less under every society.

    Do you seriously believe money predates war? LOL, even ants and chimps have wars, and they have no use for money. War predates humanity itself. The whole point of money was to attract attention of a warlord and sway him. And warlord comes from war.
     
    What he means is particularly human ways of waging war, i.e. by statecraft.

    Bottom line – credit matters. Credit markets matter. Its the only thing that matters. Credit to private sector is neoliberalism, credit to the state is socialism. Neoliberalism has been dead since 2008. We are following the only path possible.
     
    Remember those Catholic theologians and Islamic ulemas condemning usury? But they don't want a modernized economy.

    What use is a modern economy when it is at the root of all vices, and it totally destroys spirituality? The failure of all economic theories (except marginally Austrian economics) is because of their materialism. It is the failure of those systems to provide value judgement on an economic action. Instead, those are assumed to exist in itself, explained as axioms, that needs are needs and wants are wants and labor is labor and production is production and exchange is exchange. No room for revising what underpins all those axioms. Is that action moral, or beneficial to spiritual welfare?

    Austrian economics can only come that close because von Mises set out immediately from action itself and builds his theories around its place in the society. But what does individual actions mean, is assumed to be self-evident to the actor, and in this place a classical liberal assumption is taken over. In this place, maybe the humanist Marx thought thru what labor means in a spiritual sense, too.

    Any economic theory without a moral or spiritual foundation eventually leads to impoverishment. The original meaning of "economy" is how a Classical Greek household was and ought to be organized. It is also the basic subject of analysis in Confucian thought. In their bulk term coining exercise, the Japanese got the ultimate purpose of any economy, and translated "economy" as "経済", which is short for 經世濟民 = "to administer the state to relieve the suffering of the people". In other words, societal management and popular benefaction, under an overarching moral framework.

    But Taoists and Buddhists will dissent - why not be frugal and become closer to the natural state/extinguishment of passions? Why not analyze economic actions from their ultimate source, which is asking for the ideals driving them?

    Replies: @A123, @mal

    You just shift some of the same limited resources from uses that is feasible under a stable pebble-mining regime to ones that are short-term in outlook.

    Societies and economies always operate below potential. If you restrict production to only pebble based activity, it is obvious that production would increase with the amount of pebbles increasing.

    If your theoretical fishing rod production was 100 rods, but you were restricted by law to only make 25 rods because you only had 25 pebbles, then doubling your pebbles would allow you to make 50 rods. Again, rather obvious scenario.

    Do they get shot by reverting of the old ways of bartering, albeit more discreetly? (grey economy) And even if that’s the case, it’s rule by intimidation.

    How do you barter haircuts for cancer surgery? 80% of the economy is services. And LOL, yes, it is rule by intimidation, that’s kinda how it works. Try not paying taxes some time, see how it will work out.

    In the example island economy, they can barter, but they need to give pebbles to local lord as tribute, so they need pebbles ultimately. If they don’t, they get shot in the head.

    True, whether the state is local or national or global. Libertarians and anarchists want to abolish all those entirely. Which is why decentralizing money is one of their strategies.

    Good luck with that. But I think you will simply end up with warlords in the end. And then its back to pebbles and getting shot.

    Good luck convincing anyone in Florida those FedCoin CBDCs are good ole’ fiat dollar. Not even A123 is impressed. (You might have better luck in Japan only because of more Confucian, conformist ethics)

    People don’t have a problem with Federal Reserve notes now, right? I think they will get used to FedCoin too.

    It’s true in modern society, and only in modern society is this exaggerated. If the entire world goes Taoist or Mad-Max, BAM! Status signaling comes by forms other than money.

    Agree but then we will have bigger problems than monetary policy.

    What he means is particularly human ways of waging war, i.e. by statecraft.

    Statecraft is just nicely dressed warlord. Or an Ant Queen.

    Any economic theory without a moral or spiritual foundation eventually leads to impoverishment.

    Agree. Economy is just a tool to achieve goals. But those goals will need to come from elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @mal


    If your theoretical fishing rod production was 100 rods, but you were restricted by law to only make 25 rods because you only had 25 pebbles, then doubling your pebbles would allow you to make 50 rods. Again, rather obvious scenario.
     
    Arrgh
    , @A123
    @mal



    Good luck convincing anyone in Florida those FedCoin CBDCs are good ole’ fiat dollar. Not even A123 is impressed. (You might have better luck in Japan only because of more Confucian, conformist ethics)
     
    People don’t have a problem with Federal Reserve notes now, right? I think they will get used to FedCoin too.
     
    The big hurdle is that physical notes can change hands without a specific trace to the buyer. If I go the liquor store and buy beer with cash, it cannot be reported to a government healthcare service. Anyone who thinks the government run CBDC's would be anonymous is staggeringly naive.

    Even though fiat notes and fiat CBDC are both fiat -- I vastly prefer the fiat USD deposits that can be withdrawn as greenbacks.
    ____

    As I mentioned above, any attempt to go electronic only is doomed. Sovereign American Indian Nations will gladly fabricate however many Casino tokens are needed. It is a great business proposition for them.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @mal

    , @AaronB
    @mal

    I am reminded of what Alan Watts once said about the Great Depression -


    So, you remember the great depression. I expect a number of you around are old enough to remember the great depression when one day everybody was doing business and things were going along pretty well and the next day there were bread lines.

    It was like someone came to work and they said to him “sorry chum but you can’t build today, no building can go on, we don’t have enough inches.” He’d say, “what do you mean we don’t have enough inches, we’ve got wood haven’t we? We’ve got metal, we’ve even got tape measures.” He’d say, “yeah, but you don’t understand the business world, we just haven’t got enough inches. We’ve used too much of ‘em.”

    And that’s exactly what happened when we had the depression. Because money is something of the same order of reality as inches, grams, meters, pounds or lines of latitude and longitude. It is an abstraction. It is a method of book keeping to obviate the cumbersome procedures of barter. But our culture, our civilization is entirely hung up on the notion that money has an independent reality of its own.”
     
    It's in an essay about confusing abstractions with concrete reality - link here. https://www.google.com/amp/s/sebasbuchner.com/2013/05/03/sorry-guys-we-havent-got-enough-inches/amp/

    Replies: @Mikel, @mal

  • And to people who think Chile and the US are not enough, here is England of Margaret Thatcher.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/QGBPAM770A

    As you can see, its always the same story. I can do this for Japan too, and other countries.

    Bottom line – credit matters. Credit markets matter. Its the only thing that matters. Credit to private sector is neoliberalism, credit to the state is socialism. Neoliberalism has been dead since 2008. We are following the only path possible.

  • To people interested in how real world works, here’s something to chew on:

    US private debt to GDP ratio.

    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/private-debt-to-gdp

    This explains why neoliberalism was thought as winning formula. This debt was the major reason for GDP growth until 2008.

    But neoliberalism died.

    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-debt-to-gdp

    The state took over. The state is the only one that can get low interest rates. The future belongs to those who can get low interest rates. The future belongs to the state. Its inevitable.

  • @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    This thread started with pretty chicks and now you show that hideous mad witch? Shame on you!

    Replies: @A123

    I repent and apologize.

    As penance [∆] I offer up the mildly NSFW gifs below [MORE]

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    [∆] In the quickest ecclesiastical judgement & savage condemnation in the history of Christianity, I have been informed that mildly NSFW gifs are “fun” and therefore ineligible as “penance”.

    Apparently my new motto is — Digging The Hole Deeper

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  • @A123
    @Mikel


    This exchange, however, shows a very real fact: people get mystified with the subject of money. And it also affects many professional economists, so it’s not a personal criticism towards you. There’s very little theory of money taught at economic faculties, after all.
     
    Something eerily close to Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy is occurring in this thread.

    Jump to 2:12 if your load tool insists on starting the video at the beginning.

    PEACE 😇

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMoPR2IA2Uk&t=132s

    Replies: @mal

    Great video. Fiat currency is a lot easier to create than leaves (leaves are actually amazingly complex biochemical factories) which is why we always use fiat.

    Like i said, we could use Beany Babies but US dollar is easier.

    If our money had to be as complex and amazing as leaves, we would be in real trouble.

    Luckily, people just like digits on a computer screen, much simpler technology (and yes, computer is much simpler than a leaf).

    Fiat is easy, shiny, and people like it. Which is why it’s here to stay.

  • @Mikel
    @mal

    I don't know what you're trying to tell me, honestly. You are introducing a new weird assumption in my model of people getting shot and you go on a detour about Communists and Libertarians that doesn't add anything to my understanding of your monetary ideas. I was hoping that you would introduce some more relevant assumptions, such as a central authority on the island distributing the red pebbles or something like that.

    This exchange, however, shows a very real fact: people get mystified with the subject of money. And it also affects many professional economists, so it's not a personal criticism towards you. There's very little theory of money taught at economic faculties, after all.

    It is not surprising thus that you are showing less common sense than what I would expect from the primitive islanders of my example. The amount of goods produced on that island would be determined by the needs, wishes and industriousness of its inhabitants, constrained by their technology and availability of materials and tools. The amount of red pebbles (or shells, or whatever other method of exchange people generally accepted on that island) would be irrelevant for the total amount of goods produced. No islander in this primitive society would consider the idea that extracting more red pebbles from the beach would lead to producing more goods with the same amount of people and the same amount of materials available. They would all instinctively understand that this is not physically possible.

    In fact, if the amount of pebbles grew too high, there would be some inflation of sorts and transactions would become cumbersome so total production could actually become lower. Economic history shows that people would start using substitutes for reb pebbles in their transactions out of necessity. And this shows another important lesson: money needs to be relatively scarce and somewhat fungible in order to properly accomplish the goal it was invented for. It was only in much later stages of social development, when people had forgotten what money had been invented for, when the idea of increasing production by increasing the money supply, usually to finance wars, came to the minds of ancient rulers. It's been said that MMT may be a theory and may be monetary but modern it is certainly not.

    This all has little or nothing to do with libertarianism, by the way. Libertarianism is a political movement that I am not allergic to but find lacking in many areas.

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    I was hoping that you would introduce some more relevant assumptions, such as a central authority on the island distributing the red pebbles or something like that.

    That’s what “getting shot in the head” is referring to. Monopoly on violence. I have demonstrated how increase in pebble supply will indeed result in increase in material conditions.

    This exchange, however, shows a very real fact: people get mystified with the subject of money.

    There’s nothing mysterious about money – fundamentally, its just a tool of social organization, or social engineering, if you will. Nothing more, nothing less. We live in a vast universe that doesn’t care about US dollar, or Euro, or Yen, only humans do.

    The amount of goods produced on that island would be determined by the needs, wishes and industriousness of its inhabitants, constrained by their technology and availability of materials and tools

    If you think that government regulation, including taxation and credit, has no impact on the production of goods, you may not be as smart as i thought.

    They would all instinctively understand that this is not physically possible.

    If pebble was the mechanism of exchange, and they got shot for not using it, they would understand quickly why pebble was important.

    This is exactly how good standard came about in prehistoric times. Do you think starving cavemen cared about gold? No lol. They were trying to survive. But warlords and priests liked shiny things, and they could murder the starving peasants and take what they wanted. This is why gold, useless metal in those times, became so valuable. You could give it to a warlord or a priest and they would murder your rivals because they liked shiny things.

    Economic history shows that people would start using substitutes for reb pebbles in their transactions out of necessity

    Not if they risked getting shot in the head. States can lose monopoly on violence, but this typically happens after they lose a war (in Venezuela’s case, its sanctions/trade war), and as soon as state regains its power, those substitutes once again become subordinate to the state. Germans lost gold due to reparations and lost war, hyperinflated and rolled out renten mark. Hitler tried something and went to prison lol. It wasn’t the end of the world.

    Japanese printed more than just about anybody, but they don’t need to be told that state is the main power, so Yen is doing nice indeed. And good luck switching away from USD lol. So no, nobody is switching to anything, at least domestically. Americans will continue to use dollars just like Japanese will continue to use Yen.

    And this shows another important lesson: money needs to be relatively scarce and somewhat fungible in order to properly accomplish the goal it was invented for.

    I got good news for you: money is still relatively scarce and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. Aren’t you the one pushing “unlimited wants” thing? You should know better.

    Money, as a tool of social engineering, is used to confer status, and status is relative, so desire for status is indeed infinite. So is money demand. We can do this with Beany Babies, but US dollar is easier to make, so we convince people it has status power. People get it to look good. Easy peasy. There will always be demand for money as long as money = status.

    But no need to make ordinary people suffer needlessly because of this. Hence basic income and credit.

    when people had forgotten what money had been invented for, when the idea of increasing production by increasing the money supply, usually to finance wars, came to the minds of ancient rulers.

    Do you seriously believe money predates war? LOL, even ants and chimps have wars, and they have no use for money. War predates humanity itself. The whole point of money was to attract attention of a warlord and sway him. And warlord comes from war.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @mal


    I have demonstrated how increase in pebble supply will indeed result in increase in material conditions.
     
    You just shift some of the same limited resources from uses that is feasible under a stable pebble-mining regime to ones that are short-term in outlook.

    If pebble was the mechanism of exchange, and they got shot for not using it, they would understand quickly why pebble was important.

    This is exactly how good standard came about in prehistoric times. Do you think starving cavemen cared about gold? No lol. They were trying to survive. But warlords and priests liked shiny things, and they could murder the starving peasants and take what they wanted. This is why gold, useless metal in those times, became so valuable. You could give it to a warlord or a priest and they would murder your rivals because they liked shiny things.

     

    Do they get shot by reverting of the old ways of bartering, albeit more discreetly? (grey economy) And even if that's the case, it's rule by intimidation.

    The way increasingly centralized city-states concentrated the monopoly on issuing media of exchange was true. But that doesn't mean we can aspire to a form of money that is more affected by market conditions than political will.


    States can lose monopoly on violence, but this typically happens after they lose a war (in Venezuela’s case, its sanctions/trade war), and as soon as state regains its power, those substitutes once again become subordinate to the state.
     
    True, whether the state is local or national or global. Libertarians and anarchists want to abolish all those entirely. Which is why decentralizing money is one of their strategies.

    Americans will continue to use dollars just like Japanese will continue to use Yen.
     
    Good luck convincing anyone in Florida those FedCoin CBDCs are good ole' fiat dollar. Not even A123 is impressed. (You might have better luck in Japan only because of more Confucian, conformist ethics)

    I got good news for you: money is still relatively scarce and will continue to be for the foreseeable future.
     
    It is always scarce, no matter whether the Franklin fetches $100 or $100 million. It isn't the numerals, but real transactions that give money value and hence the level of scarcity. It is even scarcer in a hyperinflationary scenario where even the existing bucks quickly becomes worthless and useless.

    Money, as a tool of social engineering, is used to confer status, and status is relative, so desire for status is indeed infinite. So is money demand.
     
    It's true in modern society, and only in modern society is this exaggerated. If the entire world goes Taoist or Mad-Max, BAM! Status signaling comes by forms other than money.

    But no need to make ordinary people suffer needlessly because of this. Hence basic income and credit.
     
    Go outside of the post-industrial economy and see. Buddha says people will suffer more or less under every society.

    Do you seriously believe money predates war? LOL, even ants and chimps have wars, and they have no use for money. War predates humanity itself. The whole point of money was to attract attention of a warlord and sway him. And warlord comes from war.
     
    What he means is particularly human ways of waging war, i.e. by statecraft.

    Bottom line – credit matters. Credit markets matter. Its the only thing that matters. Credit to private sector is neoliberalism, credit to the state is socialism. Neoliberalism has been dead since 2008. We are following the only path possible.
     
    Remember those Catholic theologians and Islamic ulemas condemning usury? But they don't want a modernized economy.

    What use is a modern economy when it is at the root of all vices, and it totally destroys spirituality? The failure of all economic theories (except marginally Austrian economics) is because of their materialism. It is the failure of those systems to provide value judgement on an economic action. Instead, those are assumed to exist in itself, explained as axioms, that needs are needs and wants are wants and labor is labor and production is production and exchange is exchange. No room for revising what underpins all those axioms. Is that action moral, or beneficial to spiritual welfare?

    Austrian economics can only come that close because von Mises set out immediately from action itself and builds his theories around its place in the society. But what does individual actions mean, is assumed to be self-evident to the actor, and in this place a classical liberal assumption is taken over. In this place, maybe the humanist Marx thought thru what labor means in a spiritual sense, too.

    Any economic theory without a moral or spiritual foundation eventually leads to impoverishment. The original meaning of "economy" is how a Classical Greek household was and ought to be organized. It is also the basic subject of analysis in Confucian thought. In their bulk term coining exercise, the Japanese got the ultimate purpose of any economy, and translated "economy" as "経済", which is short for 經世濟民 = "to administer the state to relieve the suffering of the people". In other words, societal management and popular benefaction, under an overarching moral framework.

    But Taoists and Buddhists will dissent - why not be frugal and become closer to the natural state/extinguishment of passions? Why not analyze economic actions from their ultimate source, which is asking for the ideals driving them?

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    , @Mikel
    @mal


    I have demonstrated how increase in pebble supply will indeed result in increase in material conditions.
     


    This is exactly how good standard came about in prehistoric times.
     

    Do you seriously believe money predates war? LOL
     
    This is why I wouldn't debate chemistry or space rocket technology with you. I hope I wouldn't lose the plot like this but you would also get frustrated when you realized that I'm not following you and you're not getting anything from me.

    You have involuntarily brought up another interesting question though: in the long term MMT could only succeed if indeed the government used physical violence to enforce the use of the official currency in private (horizontal) transactions. Contrary to what you say, governments never go to those extremes though. You may still be forced to pay your taxes in a devalued currency but, once it loses its value for day-to-day transactions, governments cannot do anything practical to avoid people switching to more useful means of exchange.

    https://lenpenzo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/wheelbarrow-wallet.png

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  • @Mikel
    @mal

    Sigh...

    OK, so let's take an isolated island with a couple dozen families. They have been living there for a long enough time to develop a certain specialization of activities and they use red pebbles only found on a small beach as a means of payment for the goods and services that each of them produces.

    Do you realize that what you are saying is that if they only managed to collect many more red pebbles they would be able to materially produce many more goods and services?

    Please don't evade the question by saying the we live in a more complicated environment. Explain to us all what exactly is missing on that island for a Modern Pebble Theory to work as you claim it does here.

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    Do you realize that what you are saying is that if they only managed to collect many more red pebbles they would be able to materially produce many more goods and services?

    Yes, you are absolutely right. If you are only allowed to manufacture fishing rods when you have red pebbles, then more red pebbles would allow for more fishing rod production which would get them more fish and improve their material condition.

    Here are your option chains.

    1. Have more red pebbles -> make more rods -> enjoy more fish.

    2. Don’t have red pebbles -> make more rods -> get shot in the head.

    Obviously, option chain 1 improves your material condition and, option chain 2 doesn’t.

    So yes, having more red pebbles would absolutely improve your ability to produce more goods and services. Not only that, pebble inflation is a requirement for growth, and has been baked into their economy from the start.

    And of course “Muh Non Aggression Principle!!”. Well, that’s an aspirational goal, but this assumption has never been true in all of history.

    And this is why libertarians don’t do well in politics. Libertarian logic is excellent, but assumptions are garbage. This is also why Communists do better in politics. Communists have terrible logic, but their assumptions are correct. Communists simply say “make rods, or get shot in the head”. And people get this.

    People will put up with terrible logic (because most people are bad at logic), but they will not put up with bad assumptions – its like the Uncanny Valley of reasoning. If it doesn’t jive with people’s observed reality, they are not going to bite. Getting shot in the head for not having pebbles is the observed reality for most people, and has been throughout history. Non Aggression Principle is not. So Communist reality is closer to the real world for most people, despite bad logic and all.

    So, Mr. Libertarian Textbook, you may be very clever and logical, but your assumptions keep you off track. 🙂

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @mal

    I don't know what you're trying to tell me, honestly. You are introducing a new weird assumption in my model of people getting shot and you go on a detour about Communists and Libertarians that doesn't add anything to my understanding of your monetary ideas. I was hoping that you would introduce some more relevant assumptions, such as a central authority on the island distributing the red pebbles or something like that.

    This exchange, however, shows a very real fact: people get mystified with the subject of money. And it also affects many professional economists, so it's not a personal criticism towards you. There's very little theory of money taught at economic faculties, after all.

    It is not surprising thus that you are showing less common sense than what I would expect from the primitive islanders of my example. The amount of goods produced on that island would be determined by the needs, wishes and industriousness of its inhabitants, constrained by their technology and availability of materials and tools. The amount of red pebbles (or shells, or whatever other method of exchange people generally accepted on that island) would be irrelevant for the total amount of goods produced. No islander in this primitive society would consider the idea that extracting more red pebbles from the beach would lead to producing more goods with the same amount of people and the same amount of materials available. They would all instinctively understand that this is not physically possible.

    In fact, if the amount of pebbles grew too high, there would be some inflation of sorts and transactions would become cumbersome so total production could actually become lower. Economic history shows that people would start using substitutes for reb pebbles in their transactions out of necessity. And this shows another important lesson: money needs to be relatively scarce and somewhat fungible in order to properly accomplish the goal it was invented for. It was only in much later stages of social development, when people had forgotten what money had been invented for, when the idea of increasing production by increasing the money supply, usually to finance wars, came to the minds of ancient rulers. It's been said that MMT may be a theory and may be monetary but modern it is certainly not.

    This all has little or nothing to do with libertarianism, by the way. Libertarianism is a political movement that I am not allergic to but find lacking in many areas.

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  • @Morton's toes
    @mal

    You have a soft landing in your scenario. How do you account for the mafias with their drugs (and other goods) and their cash transactions and their death squads? They overlap those obsolete commercial banks and they may not go down without taking a bunch of less guilty people with them. And bunch might mount up to a really large number.

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    If it comes down to a fight between a Mexican cartel and Walmart Corporation, my money is on Walmart Corporation.

    It boils down to ability to organize logistics and supply chains, and don’t get me wrong, cartels are no slouches, but they can not match WalMart .

    Now, can hypothetical WalMart Dollar replace US Dollar as currency of choice? Yes, maybe. And maybe that’s the possibility Facebook was considering with their Libra currency attempt. But i don’t see it as likely.

    WalMarts and Facebooks and Amazons will still need the service of US Military and that service transacts in US dollars. Things would have to get unimaginably bad before US military transitioned to WalMart dollars or Libras or whatever.

    Then WalMart Corporate Treasury would replace Federal Reserve as central bank. Possible, yes. But it would literally be Mad Max world, it would be crazy out there for this to happen. So i think very unlikely.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @mal

    That's great. Fewer and fewer people will buy from Walmart/Amazon and anywhere accepting only their scrips. Because using their scrip means accepting their legitimacy as a financial mediator, while people are heading the other way with cryptos, local currencies and bartering.

    It isn't about which currencies are better at being used to buy and sell, but whether the currencies command trust, which implies institutional trust.

  • @Mikel
    @mal


    Nominal GDP will skyrocket during inflationary period.
     
    You don't understand. MMT uses fiscal policy to control inflation, not to promote it.

    Do you see now why Chile has $5k higher GDP/capita?
     
    Yes, I did see it when I crossed the border to Argentina while I lived in Chile. It was in plain sight but it's not what you think. Chile was never meant to be an experiment in Austrian economics. The "Chicago Boys" who designed the Chilean model were, as their name implies, monetarists of the Chicago School of economics who had no problems whatsoever with fractional reserve banking.

    The financial sector in Chile is certainly much more developed than in Argentina and Chileans make extensive use of credit, although their figures are quite average compared to developed countries: https://stats.bis.org/statx/srs/table/f2.1

    Argentinians, on the other hand, don't trust their banks (with good reason) and buy dollars, durable goods like cars or properties to protect their savings as much as they can. No wonder there is little credit available in the Argentinean economy.

    I understand that you are very enamored of your pet theories but why is it so difficult to accept that sometimes the conventional wisdom is right about simple things? Somebody, for a change in Latin America, managed to apply some reasonable economic policies and the result was quite favorable. But of course it couldn't last forever so don't worry, right now Chileans are very busy dismantling their successful model.


    Well, you can’t really talk about European countries without talking about European Central Bank.
     
    It looks like you lost the plot here. I was just saying that if you claim deficit=>growth and I show you several examples of surplus=>growth and deficit=>decline, your theory quite obviously has some holes in it that you can't simply hand wave at.

    I mean, you realize that past some point, probably 100% private debt to GDP ratio, state can achieve much better results much more efficiently, right?
     

    No, not at all. One of the few certainties we can reasonably have in economics is that private actors are more efficient than the government. The reason is not difficult to understand either: skin in the game. Private actors (lenders in this case) are risking their money but politicians are not really risking anything. Their incomes are secure and what they're actually risking is your and my money.

    Capital doesn’t matter either when economy operates on “just in time” production principles. You simply conjure $1 billion via a low interest loan, enter an order, factory gets built in a highly automated fashion, and you get your factory.
     
    Interesting idea. Perhaps those capital-starved countries in the 3rd World are just wasting their time and all they could do to get lots of factories, housing and infrastructure is print some money.

    On the other hand, it could be true that money is just an exchange mechanism and does not really have magical properties. Who knows...

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    You don’t understand. MMT uses fiscal policy to control inflation, not to promote it.

    Ironically, that’s one of the few areas where I’m sceptical of MMT. At least in the US. I’m not an expert on tax policy in Europe. But in US, tax take is always 18% GDP. Doesn’t matter what rate is. So MMT won’t be able to take money out of the economy with taxes because tax take is always the same. I guess they could crash the economy and that would be deflationary, that would work, but they don’t quite put it in those terms.

    Chile was never meant to be an experiment in Austrian economics

    I never said Austrian, i said Neoliberal.

    The financial sector in Chile is certainly much more developed than in Argentina and Chileans make extensive use of credit, although their figures are quite average compared to developed countries: https://stats.bis.org/statx/srs/table/f2.1

    Chile is not a developed country. What a polite way of saying “Chileans are drowning in debt up to their eyeballs”.

    Argentinians, on the other hand, don’t trust their banks (with good reason) and buy dollars, durable goods like cars or properties to protect their savings as much as they can. No wonder there is little credit available in the Argentinean economy.

    What a polite way of saying “Argentinians are not in debt up to their eyeballs which is why they are poor”. I’m now going to flip your game back to you and say ” Argentinian state has debt that is quite average compared to developed countries, it is certainly less than USA”.

    Argentina needs banking reform similar to what Nabiullina did in Russia, and cartelize the sector. And then Argentinians need to go shopping mindlessly on credit, just like Chileans did.

    I understand that you are very enamored of your pet theories but why is it so difficult to accept that sometimes the conventional wisdom is right about simple things?

    Nah, my pet theories predict macroeconomic outcomes far better than conventional wisdom, Mr. Texbook. 🙂 and the funny thing is, i don’t think you are wrong – you just apply sound logic and the wrong place at the wrong time and get off track. But in general, your thinking is proper.

    Somebody, for a change in Latin America, managed to apply some reasonable economic policies and the result was quite favorable.

    I agree. They probably cartelized their financial system, used copper as currency backstop, and then printed a large amount of private sector debt via commercial banking system. Pure neoliberalism, and successful application at that. But this approach is limited. Neoliberalism is not sustainable.

    It looks like you lost the plot here. I was just saying that if you claim deficit=>growth and I show you several examples of surplus=>growth and deficit=>decline, your theory quite obviously has some holes in it that you can’t simply hand wave at.

    My apologies if i didn’t explain it clearly. It is quite possible for small places to have surpluses as long as overall larger system runs a deficit to support demand. However, if larger system stops running deficits, those smaller places will be forced into deficit. This is universal. If US stops printing, it will go into depression. This will cause commodity price drop (oil at -$40/barrel was fun last year) and normally surplus countries (Saudi for example) will go into deficit.

    No, not at all. One of the few certainties we can reasonably have in economics is that private actors are more efficient than the government.

    Not always. When your private sector debt to GDP is like 300%, the only thing your private actors are doing is flipping same fake derivative financial asset back and forth to each other. They are useless and worthless. Government can do a lot more and a lot better with the funds.

    Interesting idea. Perhaps those capital-starved countries in the 3rd World are just wasting their time and all they could do to get lots of factories, housing and infrastructure is print some money.

    Chileans did. And it worked for them. Argentinians did not, and they are poorer for it. So yes, mathematically, printing some money is absolutely a requirement to having some money. You are getting it. 🙂

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @mal

    Sigh...

    OK, so let's take an isolated island with a couple dozen families. They have been living there for a long enough time to develop a certain specialization of activities and they use red pebbles only found on a small beach as a means of payment for the goods and services that each of them produces.

    Do you realize that what you are saying is that if they only managed to collect many more red pebbles they would be able to materially produce many more goods and services?

    Please don't evade the question by saying the we live in a more complicated environment. Explain to us all what exactly is missing on that island for a Modern Pebble Theory to work as you claim it does here.

    Replies: @mal

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @mal


    Nominal GDP means absolutely everything because if you don’t have that it means you are dead. Only the dead in the cemetery have no economic activity at all. Even Venezuelans are better off.

    Nominal GDP is like temperature – if your body is at room temperature, all your other problems are irrelevant.
     
    Nominal GDP is something only because it claims to represent the state of economy. Without the underlying economy, it is nothing.

    What you say is already happening lol. When interest rate on a loan is 0% or negative, there’s no usury anymore. Banks literally pay you to borrow. We are living the jubilee as we speak.
     
    Only because the debt economy is so thoroly broken and the calculation of interest rates - differences in time preference - is impossible?

    LOL there won’t be any barter. Or a revolution. They will get their basic incomes and they will be happy. There is no alternative.
     
    The new system need not to be bad, and it's actually a mixed bag in terms of material wealth creation. It only needs to be discredited in the eyes of a majority of people living inside and outside of the system. Then struggles will happen, enough to derail its implementation.

    What's the alternative you say?



    I am really hopeful for the glorious posthumanist era. But instead of gay automated genetic cyborg utopia, that will be a stillborn system, the system disintegrating or eating its own elites. Then Nature will reclaim what humanity has seized from her in excess during all these Industrial Revolutions...

    Replies: @mal

    Only because the debt economy is so thoroly broken and the calculation of interest rates – differences in time preference – is impossible?

    I wouldn’t say its broken, just reflects current reality of just in time economy. There is no future anymore in any meaningful sense. You either place an order right now, or you don’t. Factory either executes your order or idles and closes down. There’s no “stock” or savings to speak of, everything is made to order. So there is no need for savings, or capital, or interest rates anymore.

    I am really hopeful for the glorious posthumanist era. But instead of gay automated genetic cyborg utopia, that will be a stillborn system, the system disintegrating or eating its own elites. Then Nature will reclaim what humanity has seized from her in excess during all these Industrial Revolutions…

    Maybe. But unlikely any time soon.

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @mal

    Meant to add to the last reply. Nominal GDP means NOTHING, and it can even be of negative value if it is used to hide the rot. Case in point: nominal GDP can surge with the "reopening" and FED money printing. But already millions of antivaxx, anti-PCR testing workers are pulling out of the formal economy. Which is why real economists don't look at numbers, but the underlying political economy.

    Going back to what you say in this post, the souls of medieval Catholic cardinals and Islamic ulemas will be exhilarated seeing the usurious modern financial system, based on infinite compound interest, collapse on itself. If you set up an usurious system, you need regular debt write-offs or jubilees to counteract debt build-up, otherwise it will be definite ruin whether the state or moneylenders/banks do it. And even between debt systems, 100% reserve is less distortive than fractional reserve.

    If you don't reform fiat, people will quit by adopting crypto or barter systems of their own accord because of the collapse in public trust.

    Replies: @mal

    Nominal GDP means NOTHING, and it can even be of negative value if it is used to hide the rot.

    Nominal GDP means absolutely everything because if you don’t have that it means you are dead. Only the dead in the cemetery have no economic activity at all. Even Venezuelans are better off.

    Nominal GDP is like temperature – if your body is at room temperature, all your other problems are irrelevant.

    If you set up an usurious system, you need regular debt write-offs or jubilees to counteract debt build-up, otherwise it will be definite ruin whether the state or moneylenders/banks do it.

    You do realize that we run some of the lowest real negative interest rates in world history, with more negative rates to come?

    What you say is already happening lol. When interest rate on a loan is 0% or negative, there’s no usury anymore. Banks literally pay you to borrow. We are living the jubilee as we speak. Commercial banks are finished, dead, even if they don’t know it yet. New era is upon us, and it will be spearheaded by the government and central banks.

    People can adopt whatever crypto they like, they are irrelevant. But if you think that IRS, Jeff Bezos of Amazon, and Walmart family will refuse US dollars, you are deluding yourself.

    People are irrelevant. Your entire life, your civilization, is created for you by major corporations and they are not going to give up the US dollar because US dollar has aircraft carriers and Bitcoin doesn’t. Dollar is power.

    How many Army divisions does crypto have?

    That doesn’t mean dollar won’t evolve or course, central bank digital currency will be the way of of future once we eliminate commercial banking.

    But central bank digital tokens will still be backed by military power, and corporations will follow that power in order to control it. People will fall in line. That is our future.

    And barter in 80% service economy? LOL! What, lawyers will go on strike and refuse to sue? Singers won’t sing in bars? Oh the horror!

    LOL there won’t be any barter. Or a revolution. Most people are irrelevant to modern production processes. They will get their basic incomes and they will be happy. There is no alternative.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @mal


    Nominal GDP means absolutely everything because if you don’t have that it means you are dead. Only the dead in the cemetery have no economic activity at all. Even Venezuelans are better off.

    Nominal GDP is like temperature – if your body is at room temperature, all your other problems are irrelevant.
     
    Nominal GDP is something only because it claims to represent the state of economy. Without the underlying economy, it is nothing.

    What you say is already happening lol. When interest rate on a loan is 0% or negative, there’s no usury anymore. Banks literally pay you to borrow. We are living the jubilee as we speak.
     
    Only because the debt economy is so thoroly broken and the calculation of interest rates - differences in time preference - is impossible?

    LOL there won’t be any barter. Or a revolution. They will get their basic incomes and they will be happy. There is no alternative.
     
    The new system need not to be bad, and it's actually a mixed bag in terms of material wealth creation. It only needs to be discredited in the eyes of a majority of people living inside and outside of the system. Then struggles will happen, enough to derail its implementation.

    What's the alternative you say?



    I am really hopeful for the glorious posthumanist era. But instead of gay automated genetic cyborg utopia, that will be a stillborn system, the system disintegrating or eating its own elites. Then Nature will reclaim what humanity has seized from her in excess during all these Industrial Revolutions...

    Replies: @mal

    , @Morton's toes
    @mal

    You have a soft landing in your scenario. How do you account for the mafias with their drugs (and other goods) and their cash transactions and their death squads? They overlap those obsolete commercial banks and they may not go down without taking a bunch of less guilty people with them. And bunch might mount up to a really large number.

    Replies: @mal

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @mal


    Real GDP is a different story but we are not Venezuela or Zimbabwe so nominal GDP is the main focus here.
     
    lolwut

    Replies: @mal

    US is not the same as Venezuela or Zimbabwe, so US has different priorities. There won’t be a similar run on currency – IRS and US Navy will make certain of that.

  • @mal
    @A123

    LOL as much as i like Polish people individually, Polish and Russian politics never worked as harmoniusly throughout the centuries. Germans and Russians though, when we are not trying to genocide each other, the trade and political relationships are very powerful. Germans and Russians are like that ying and yang thing.

    Replies: @A123

    I get the historical enmities. However, at some point the more powerful & potent side should try to build some sort of bridge.

    The consequences of intentionally provoking each other is illustrated by this Dune Mini Series clip. [MORE]

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

    Something is wrong with the standard aspect ratio on this clip. So listen, more than watch, thinking of a Putin-Duda summit headed towards the brink.


    Video Link

    • Thanks: mal
  • @A123
    @melanf



    The intentionally offensive choice by Russian Elites to land NordStream 2 in Germany will materially worsen Polish-Russian relations.

     

    ????? WTF!?
     
    How explicit does it have to be for you?

    Putin intentionally decided to sell out Christianity and grovel before the German SJW Caliphate's pro-Jihadi leader Mutti Merkel. All to chase & serve the Almighty € and WEF Davos Elites.

    Those who insist on trying to see NordStream 2 as exclusively financial transaction miss the point. In Europe, NordStream 2 was a massive tool of power between Christian Populism vs. Anti-Christian SJW Globalism. Putin chose very poorly.

    PEACE 😇



    HE CHOSE POORLY

    https://youtu.be/qIitjokEJwg?t=15

    Replies: @mal, @melanf

    LOL as much as i like Polish people individually, Polish and Russian politics never worked as harmoniusly throughout the centuries. Germans and Russians though, when we are not trying to genocide each other, the trade and political relationships are very powerful. Germans and Russians are like that ying and yang thing.

    • Replies: @A123
    @mal

    I get the historical enmities. However, at some point the more powerful & potent side should try to build some sort of bridge.

    The consequences of intentionally provoking each other is illustrated by this Dune Mini Series clip. [MORE]

    PEACE 😇

    Something is wrong with the standard aspect ratio on this clip. So listen, more than watch, thinking of a Putin-Duda summit headed towards the brink.

    https://youtu.be/caFu493_f3E

  • @Mikel
    @Yellowface Anon


    Attributing economic development to a single cause and prescription misses the full picture. You need an entire package – resources, institutions, human capital, and most importatly culture.
     
    Yes, I agree, although I would personally put those factors in a different order.

    Such a complex system, affected by so many factors, is very difficult to understand fully and doesn't lend itself to simple recipes. That's why I have few certainties in economics in spite of having a good formal education on the subject. No economic theory incorporates all those factors anyway.

    BTW, Hong-Kong is another excellent example of a country refusing to accept Mal's and MMT's predictions.

    Replies: @mal, @Yellowface Anon

    BTW, Hong-Kong is another excellent example of a country refusing to accept Mal’s and MMT’s predictions

    Sure it is.

    Hong Kong: Private sector debt to GDP – 330%. Real estate bubble much?

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/QHKPAM770A

    I mean, you realize that past some point, probably 100% private debt to GDP ratio, state can achieve much better results much more efficiently, right?

    Neoliberalism does have efficiency advantages at lower debt to GDP ratios, but once you are talking 400-500% debt to GDP ratios, neoliberalism is dead. Flipping same asset a million times a second is pointless. State is far more efficient at resource allocation at this stage.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @mal

    Meant to add to the last reply. Nominal GDP means NOTHING, and it can even be of negative value if it is used to hide the rot. Case in point: nominal GDP can surge with the "reopening" and FED money printing. But already millions of antivaxx, anti-PCR testing workers are pulling out of the formal economy. Which is why real economists don't look at numbers, but the underlying political economy.

    Going back to what you say in this post, the souls of medieval Catholic cardinals and Islamic ulemas will be exhilarated seeing the usurious modern financial system, based on infinite compound interest, collapse on itself. If you set up an usurious system, you need regular debt write-offs or jubilees to counteract debt build-up, otherwise it will be definite ruin whether the state or moneylenders/banks do it. And even between debt systems, 100% reserve is less distortive than fractional reserve.

    If you don't reform fiat, people will quit by adopting crypto or barter systems of their own accord because of the collapse in public trust.

    Replies: @mal

  • @A123
    @AnonFromTN

    You are correct about Bulgaria's negligence failing to secure South Stream. Neither Poland nor Hungary can be held responsible for this failure.

    Hungary signed a deal that depends on the new Ottoman Empire. How many ways can that go wrong? Four obvious weaknesses:

    -1- TurkStream does not connect to Hungary. There is also a complicated run North for the gas to reach Serbia (3.5 GM³/yr) and Austria (1.0 GM³/yr) [∆] before arriving in Hungary. I have not seen a map of all the contracted interconnects, but this seems to effectively max out capacity on a number of routes.

    -2- Hungary's main goal is not accepting rape-ugees. Turkey is a source of rape-ugees. While Turkey is better than the Dark Heart of Europe, it represents a highly unreliable partner for Christian Populist policy.

    -3- Turkey and Russia have diametrically opposed visions for Syria. Given the madness that is Erdogan, rapid decline in Russia-Turkey relations are very possible.

    -4- Turkey keeps threatening the now inevitable EastMed pipeline (Israel ➞ Cyprus ➞ Greece ➞ Italy). If Erdogan follows through with his threats, the chances of TurkStream staying in operation is slim to none.
    __

    Poland had no control over Ukrainian Elite incompetence. You seem to be blaming them for something beyond their control.

    The intentionally offensive choice by Russian Elites to land NordStream 2 in Germany will materially worsen Polish-Russian relations. The are numerous pressures to build up U.S./NATO forces without German interference. Putin just guaranteed that Poland will say YES to everything. It would have been much more strategically sound for Putin to include Poland (despite the historical emnities). His rapturous embrace with the Beacon of SJW Globalist theology yields short term economic gain & long term national security pain.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    [∆] GM³ = Giga Cubic Meters, multiply by 35.315 to convert to English notation Bcf (Billion cubic feet).

    Replies: @melanf

    The intentionally offensive choice by Russian Elites to land NordStream 2 in Germany will materially worsen Polish-Russian relations.

    ????? WTF!?

    • LOL: mal
    • Replies: @A123
    @melanf



    The intentionally offensive choice by Russian Elites to land NordStream 2 in Germany will materially worsen Polish-Russian relations.

     

    ????? WTF!?
     
    How explicit does it have to be for you?

    Putin intentionally decided to sell out Christianity and grovel before the German SJW Caliphate's pro-Jihadi leader Mutti Merkel. All to chase & serve the Almighty € and WEF Davos Elites.

    Those who insist on trying to see NordStream 2 as exclusively financial transaction miss the point. In Europe, NordStream 2 was a massive tool of power between Christian Populism vs. Anti-Christian SJW Globalism. Putin chose very poorly.

    PEACE 😇



    HE CHOSE POORLY

    https://youtu.be/qIitjokEJwg?t=15

    Replies: @mal, @melanf

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @Mikel

    Attributing economic development to a single cause and prescription misses the full picture. You need an entire package - resources, institutions, human capital, and most importatly culture. This is why only looking at pure monetary theory (commodity or fiat) and pure fiscal theory (surpluses, balanced budgets or deficits) without seeing the underlying conditions, is like building foundations up in the air (Chinese idiom).

    At least we can assess and learn from each other's theories and worldview. (I'm replying to both mal and you)

    Replies: @Mikel, @mal

    You need an entire package – resources, institutions, human capital, and most importatly culture.

    You need all of that stuff for national power and other important things. But not nominal GDP. Nominal GDP is simply the sum total of monetized human activity, it doesn’t have to be useful or meaningful.

    Which is why its more of a meme number these days. BUT: nominal GDP drives investment decisions and investment is very real and very critical. Which is why nominal GDP is important and must never be allowed to drop.

    Why bother building a factory if there are no customers buying stuff? Higher nominal GDP means there are still customers out there and building factories is worth it. It doesn’t matter if this is achieved via inflation or real growth.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
  • @Mikel
    @mal


    When you use fiscal policy for redistribution and inflation, your nominal GDP will grow by definition.
     
    ??

    Copper exports by state run corporation?
     
    No, we can be certain that that is not the reason because Chile had been exporting large amounts of copper all throughout the 20th century but it only began overtaking its neighbors in GDP growth in the 80s, after it started applying a strict policy of fiscal and monetary discipline. Incidentally, the importance of copper exports as a percentage of GDP went down at the same time.

    Also, its much richer neighbor Argentina began a concurrent downfall that would eventually cause it to slide behind Chile in per-capita GDP, in spite of stubbornly adhering to your recipe of big budget deficits and monetary expansionism.

    It's almost as if fiscal/monetary discipline was indeed good for growth because economic activity is much easier in low inflation, stable currency environments, isn't it?

    Nazi gold
     
    Attributing the extraordinary Swiss prosperity to "Nazi gold" is quite funny.

    In general, your attempts at explaining away the examples that I put don't look very serious.

    A theory that explains everything, like a certain outcome and also its opposite, doesn't really explain anything. If you really want to understand how things work, as opposed to displaying faith in a belief system, you need to take any evidence that contradicts your beliefs much more seriously, as Feynman famously recommended.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @mal

    ??

    Nominal GDP will skyrocket during inflationary period. Venezuelan nominal GDP increased dramatically measured in Bolivars and Zimbabwe nominal GDP increased dramatically in Zimbabwe dollars or whatever during their hyperinflationary events. Real GDP is a different story but we are not Venezuela or Zimbabwe so nominal GDP is the main focus here.

    No, we can be certain that that is not the reason because Chile had been exporting large amounts of copper all throughout the 20th century but it only began overtaking its neighbors in GDP growth in the 80s, after it started applying a strict policy of fiscal and monetary discipline. Incidentally, the importance of copper exports as a percentage of GDP went down at the same time.

    Chile is a poster child of neoliberalism. The term was invented for that country. Copper backdrops this but you are right, its not the whole story.

    Let’s compare Chile and Argentina because everybody likes to hate on Argentina.

    GDP per capita.
    Chile: $15k
    Argentina: $10k

    Government debt to GDP 2020
    Chile: 33%
    Argentina: 102%

    Private sector debt to GDP ratio 2020:

    Chile: 164%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/QCLPAM770A
    Argentina: 25%
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/QARPAM770A

    Do you see now why Chile has $5k higher GDP/capita?

    Neoliberalism is always a simple scheme of commercial banks printing money rather than the state. It is also true that neoliberalism can be more efficient vs the state. With that said, if you think anybody is lending Chileans a massive $164% of their GDP without keeping an eye on their copper, you are not living in the real world.

    Neoliberalism will bury you in debt even worse than the state will, but it will buy you a nicer car or some other trinket.

    Attributing the extraordinary Swiss prosperity to “Nazi gold” is quite funny.

    Banking regulation and tax dodge money are very important in Switzerland. But its not scalable. You can’t run US by the laws of Cayman Islands.

    A theory that explains everything, like a certain outcome and also its opposite, doesn’t really explain anything.

    Well, you can’t really talk about European countries without talking about European Central Bank. Just like you can’t talk about US economy without talking about Federal Reserve.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @mal


    Real GDP is a different story but we are not Venezuela or Zimbabwe so nominal GDP is the main focus here.
     
    lolwut

    Replies: @mal

    , @Mikel
    @mal


    Nominal GDP will skyrocket during inflationary period.
     
    You don't understand. MMT uses fiscal policy to control inflation, not to promote it.

    Do you see now why Chile has $5k higher GDP/capita?
     
    Yes, I did see it when I crossed the border to Argentina while I lived in Chile. It was in plain sight but it's not what you think. Chile was never meant to be an experiment in Austrian economics. The "Chicago Boys" who designed the Chilean model were, as their name implies, monetarists of the Chicago School of economics who had no problems whatsoever with fractional reserve banking.

    The financial sector in Chile is certainly much more developed than in Argentina and Chileans make extensive use of credit, although their figures are quite average compared to developed countries: https://stats.bis.org/statx/srs/table/f2.1

    Argentinians, on the other hand, don't trust their banks (with good reason) and buy dollars, durable goods like cars or properties to protect their savings as much as they can. No wonder there is little credit available in the Argentinean economy.

    I understand that you are very enamored of your pet theories but why is it so difficult to accept that sometimes the conventional wisdom is right about simple things? Somebody, for a change in Latin America, managed to apply some reasonable economic policies and the result was quite favorable. But of course it couldn't last forever so don't worry, right now Chileans are very busy dismantling their successful model.


    Well, you can’t really talk about European countries without talking about European Central Bank.
     
    It looks like you lost the plot here. I was just saying that if you claim deficit=>growth and I show you several examples of surplus=>growth and deficit=>decline, your theory quite obviously has some holes in it that you can't simply hand wave at.

    I mean, you realize that past some point, probably 100% private debt to GDP ratio, state can achieve much better results much more efficiently, right?
     

    No, not at all. One of the few certainties we can reasonably have in economics is that private actors are more efficient than the government. The reason is not difficult to understand either: skin in the game. Private actors (lenders in this case) are risking their money but politicians are not really risking anything. Their incomes are secure and what they're actually risking is your and my money.

    Capital doesn’t matter either when economy operates on “just in time” production principles. You simply conjure $1 billion via a low interest loan, enter an order, factory gets built in a highly automated fashion, and you get your factory.
     
    Interesting idea. Perhaps those capital-starved countries in the 3rd World are just wasting their time and all they could do to get lots of factories, housing and infrastructure is print some money.

    On the other hand, it could be true that money is just an exchange mechanism and does not really have magical properties. Who knows...

    Replies: @mal

  • @songbird
    @A123

    Definitely feel that the internet has let fan culture get out of control.

    Replies: @mal

    Not just the internet, literacy in general has been problematic from the beginning.

    I mean, in the Middle Ages peasants used to frolic with bears, but did they post about it on Tik Tok? No, they were illiterate and couldn’t type their names in user accounts.

    It all went downhill after Gutenberg.

    • Agree: songbird
    • LOL: Barbarossa
  • @Mikel
    @mal


    So I agree with MMT on budget policy
     
    No, I don't think you do. MMT uses fiscal policy for redistribution and inflation purposes, not for GDP growth. In their candid view, that is what monetary policy is for.

    By the way, if you think that budget surpluses stifle economic growth, how do you explain Chile becoming the Latin American country with the highest per-capita GDP amid structural budget surpluses? And how do you explain Switzerland or Singapore? Or how fiscally responsible countries in Northern Europe are more prosperous that deficit lovers in Southern Europe? Lots of explanations required for your proposition!

    Replies: @mal

    No, I don’t think you do. MMT uses fiscal policy for redistribution and inflation purposes, not for GDP growth. In their candid view, that is what monetary policy is for.

    When you use fiscal policy for redistribution and inflation, your nominal GDP will grow by definition.

    MMT has no problem, and is actually supportive of, stuff like tax cuts, so you can be a Reagan Republican (massive national debt increases under Reagan – he tripled the debt and economy grew) and support MMT.

    Chile becoming the Latin American country with the highest per-capita GDP amid structural budget surpluses?

    Copper exports by state run corporation? I mean, why do Saudi swim in money?

    And how do you explain Switzerland or Singapore?

    Nazi gold and bank secrecy laws? Large port and effective dictatorship?

    Or how fiscally responsible countries in Northern Europe are more prosperous that deficit lovers in Southern Europe? Lots of explanations required for your proposition!

    As a rule of thumb, any “country” that can fit in a Los Angeles suburb is not a real country. They also benefit from European Central Bank money printing to support demand. ECB is roughly in the same boat as the Fed.

    So unless those meme places such as Denmark decide to pay off $7 trillion Euro ECB balance sheet, their budget surplus is a joke. I too can have budget surplus if somebody gifted me free $7 trillion.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @mal


    When you use fiscal policy for redistribution and inflation, your nominal GDP will grow by definition.
     
    ??

    Copper exports by state run corporation?
     
    No, we can be certain that that is not the reason because Chile had been exporting large amounts of copper all throughout the 20th century but it only began overtaking its neighbors in GDP growth in the 80s, after it started applying a strict policy of fiscal and monetary discipline. Incidentally, the importance of copper exports as a percentage of GDP went down at the same time.

    Also, its much richer neighbor Argentina began a concurrent downfall that would eventually cause it to slide behind Chile in per-capita GDP, in spite of stubbornly adhering to your recipe of big budget deficits and monetary expansionism.

    It's almost as if fiscal/monetary discipline was indeed good for growth because economic activity is much easier in low inflation, stable currency environments, isn't it?

    Nazi gold
     
    Attributing the extraordinary Swiss prosperity to "Nazi gold" is quite funny.

    In general, your attempts at explaining away the examples that I put don't look very serious.

    A theory that explains everything, like a certain outcome and also its opposite, doesn't really explain anything. If you really want to understand how things work, as opposed to displaying faith in a belief system, you need to take any evidence that contradicts your beliefs much more seriously, as Feynman famously recommended.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @mal

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @mal


    MMT calls for higher rates though, to generate higher “saver income”, which is something I disagree with. Nobody cares about savers, they are not economically important anymore – there is no shortage of savings, nobody wants savings. The interest rate on your savings account has been saying this since 2008. If anybody at all wanted savings, interest rate would be higher than 0.0001% APY lol.
     
    A load of bullsh*t from an Austrian perspective. Without savings (or capital), you go back to Stone Age. The extremely low rates have to do with terminal and systemic meddling of rates, the outcome after 50 years of fiat.

    Best real world example of MMT policy in action would be Reagan/Volker administration. They exploded budget and trade deficits through the roof and hiked rates to please savers. It was bad for American industry though, and all production went overseas.

    Industry needs low interest rates and cheap credit to operate. And industry is vastly more important than savers.

    So I agree with MMT on budget policy and disagree on rates. Rates need to be low.

     

    You see how MMT on high rates destructive for real industry. And the way it is going, you will never get your "perfect" scenario of MMT on low rates. The Fed is hiking rates!

    Neither Austrian Gold Standard + 100% reserve banking, nor pure digital MMT, will matter if you are talking about paradigmic changes we're going to face. You'll need a Marxian horizon for that, and Marxian analysis is insufficient.

    Replies: @mal

    A load of bullsh*t from an Austrian perspective. Without savings (or capital), you go back to Stone Age. The extremely low rates have to do with terminal and systemic meddling of rates, the outcome after 50 years of fiat.

    I sympathize but we don’t live in Austrian world, and haven’t for a long time. We don’t have Gold Standard and won’t be going back to it any time soon. We live in a fiat currency world, and all fiat by definition is created out of nothing with a few kestrokes on the computer.

    The only relevant debate is who shall have the power to create money out of nothing. Under neoliberalism, its commercial banking oligarchy. Under MMT etc its the state/central bank combination. Usually the two can work together and indeed until 2008 the combination of neoliberal efficiency and state support to smooth things out looked like the winning formula. But neoliberalism exhausted itself in 2008. It is all state now.

    Obviously, in a fiat currency world you don’t need savings – you just create whatever money you need on the spot. Credit matters, savings don’t. Capital doesn’t matter either when economy operates on “just in time” production principles. You simply conjure $1 billion via a low interest loan, enter an order, factory gets built in a highly automated fashion, and you get your factory. The act of ordering a factory is the most important step. No order, no factory.

    You see how MMT on high rates destructive for real industry. And the way it is going, you will never get your “perfect” scenario of MMT on low rates. The Fed is hiking rates!

    Fed likes to talk about hiking rates, but that’s not happening. There is a reason why 10 year is sitting pretty at 1.3% even though we are supposed to be having raging 5-6% inflation, and we kinda do – lowest real yields ever. Fed couldn’t taper in 2018-2019 without crashing stock market and economy, they definitely won’t be able to do it now. Even if they try, they will have to reverse policy.

    Neither Austrian Gold Standard + 100% reserve banking, nor pure digital MMT, will matter if you are talking about paradigmic changes we’re going to face. You’ll need a Marxian horizon for that, and Marxian analysis is insufficient.

    Well, we will get a dictatorship of the proletariat LOL, except proletariat will be robots, and Politburo will be lording over the robots. Monetary policy will have limited impact on this, it will get done regardless of interest rates, i think.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
  • @melanf
    @Dmitry


    What is affordable for most buildings, is determined by the building technology of the time
     
    This strange idea is planted by "modern architects" to justify the ugliness of their creations

    The project of the National Library in Kazan. It is a pity that the authorities did not have the courage to implement this eclecticism

    http://svetsky.ru/assets/uploads/2902/dgfs.jpg

    http://nik-rech.narod.ru/album_vzgljad/image/510_20/l_national_liarary_11.jpg

    http://nik-rech.narod.ru/album_vzgljad/image/510_20/l_national_liarary_06.jpg

    http://nik-rech.narod.ru/album_vzgljad/image/510_20/l_national_liarary_04.jpg

    http://nik-rech.narod.ru/album_vzgljad/image/510_20/l_national_liarary_12.jpg

    http://nik-rech.narod.ru/album_vzgljad/image/510_20/l_national_liarary_18.jpg

    Replies: @melanf, @Dmitry


    • Thanks: The Big Red Scary, mal
  • @Levtraro
    @mal


    And thats with government running budget surplus that really shouldn’t be happening – budget surplus is a drag on GDP growth
     
    Have you turned MMT?

    Replies: @mal

    MMT has budget surplus/deficit dynamics and its effect on GDP growth basically correct.

    Money has stock and velocity component to it, and velocity is by far the most important. Surpluses withdraw this high velocity money out of circulation via taxes, deficits add high velocity money via government workers and contractors spending in real economy driving demand up.

    MMT calls for higher rates though, to generate higher “saver income”, which is something I disagree with. Nobody cares about savers, they are not economically important anymore – there is no shortage of savings, nobody wants savings. The interest rate on your savings account has been saying this since 2008. If anybody at all wanted savings, interest rate would be higher than 0.0001% APY lol.

    Best real world example of MMT policy in action would be Reagan/Volker administration. They exploded budget and trade deficits through the roof and hiked rates to please savers. It was bad for American industry though, and all production went overseas.

    Industry needs low interest rates and cheap credit to operate. And industry is vastly more important than savers.

    So I agree with MMT on budget policy and disagree on rates. Rates need to be low.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @mal


    MMT calls for higher rates though, to generate higher “saver income”, which is something I disagree with. Nobody cares about savers, they are not economically important anymore – there is no shortage of savings, nobody wants savings. The interest rate on your savings account has been saying this since 2008. If anybody at all wanted savings, interest rate would be higher than 0.0001% APY lol.
     
    A load of bullsh*t from an Austrian perspective. Without savings (or capital), you go back to Stone Age. The extremely low rates have to do with terminal and systemic meddling of rates, the outcome after 50 years of fiat.

    Best real world example of MMT policy in action would be Reagan/Volker administration. They exploded budget and trade deficits through the roof and hiked rates to please savers. It was bad for American industry though, and all production went overseas.

    Industry needs low interest rates and cheap credit to operate. And industry is vastly more important than savers.

    So I agree with MMT on budget policy and disagree on rates. Rates need to be low.

     

    You see how MMT on high rates destructive for real industry. And the way it is going, you will never get your "perfect" scenario of MMT on low rates. The Fed is hiking rates!

    Neither Austrian Gold Standard + 100% reserve banking, nor pure digital MMT, will matter if you are talking about paradigmic changes we're going to face. You'll need a Marxian horizon for that, and Marxian analysis is insufficient.

    Replies: @mal

    , @Mikel
    @mal


    So I agree with MMT on budget policy
     
    No, I don't think you do. MMT uses fiscal policy for redistribution and inflation purposes, not for GDP growth. In their candid view, that is what monetary policy is for.

    By the way, if you think that budget surpluses stifle economic growth, how do you explain Chile becoming the Latin American country with the highest per-capita GDP amid structural budget surpluses? And how do you explain Switzerland or Singapore? Or how fiscally responsible countries in Northern Europe are more prosperous that deficit lovers in Southern Europe? Lots of explanations required for your proposition!

    Replies: @mal

  • @mal
    @Passer by

    Energy is all well and good, on the whole I'm not too terribly concerned about that, from US perspective at least.

    Where US can get in trouble is monomer/basic chemical feedstock. A lot of it comes from China, and while US/German chemical industry is very powerful, they focus on higher value polymers and such.

    You can't make higher value polymers without basic monomers.

    Can US build basic trains to make feedstock materials? Technically yes. But in reality, those processes are incredibly dirty and dangerous - we all read horror stories about Chinese peasants getting drenched in benzene or something. So while technically feasible, I don't see Western countries granting permits for such "low value" production. So we are going to be at the mercy of Chinese.

    And to underscore the point. Our entire civilization, the entire world that you see around you, is based on only two branches of material science - metallurgy and industrial chemistry. Nothing else matters.

    If computers disappeared tomorrow we would just go back to the 1950's, which would suck but it wouldn't be the end of the world. If industrial chemistry disappeared, it's back to the Middle Ages, even water treatment plants wouldn't function. We would literally have to rent caves.

    Given current relationship with China, it's not something I would want them to have the power to do. Basic train lives matter. :)

    Replies: @Svevlad

    Allowing your whole civilization to be blackmailed by a rival because you’re too much pussified to open a chemical factory because “ree low value dirty industry!!1”

    Christ. Perhaps the Great Brownening is a good thing – will fix the autism. We’ll solve IQ later.

    • Agree: mal
  • @GMC
    The FSB has been quite busy in Crimea lately. As you recall, when Crimea voted to join Mother Russia again, Russia sent in some FSB specialists to look for any cells that were working against the idea of Crimea being with the Russian Federation. Well, they found them and those radicals that had some " training camps" up in the hills, that were affiliated with a certain Tatar group were purged and the leaders - exiled for 5 years. A few of those Leaders were well known and had even worked close to the Crimean Gov. during Ukrainian times.

    Every now and then we would catch an article or rant from those leaders , thru Kyiv, asking the good Tatar folks to rebel against those nasty Russians that stole Your Crimea. I even remember when our power grid running from Ukraine was sabotaged and we lost power for a long F... time.

    As we can see from that Huge beautiful new Mosque in Simferopol, the Islamic community has plenty of money to spend and they certainly have the backing from Turkey and other Islamic countries in the Mid East. But fear not , this week the Jews have declared that they too will build a beautiful new Synagogue in Crimea. With all these NEW monuments to religion coming to Crimea - they can bring with them the radical groups that love to hide within the good folks that are true to that beliefs. Who will be coming to Crimea , now that the, almost unknown peninsula in the Black Sea, has been turned into a geopolitical pawn - al Qaeda, Isis, the Zionists, Muslim Brotherhood.

    Well, one thing is for sure - those peaky Jehovah Witnesses won't be back. Now there was a threat.!

    Replies: @mal, @Mr. Hack

    Nothing wrong with Jews or Muslims as long as they are loyal to Russian sovereignty.

    I mean, Kadyrov clan used to actively fight against Russia, and now it’s all good.

    It’s not complicated – reward tribal friends to eliminate your enemies. It’s a win-win policy.

    • Disagree: Fr. John
    • Replies: @GMC
    @mal

    Totally agree Mal, when I first came to be in Crimea , the people all got along just fine. I learned alot then, and still are. I just don't want Crimea to change - in that way. But today, the Crimean and Russian Federation Governments have to be on the lookout for those enemies of the state. And there are many.

    , @FerW
    @mal

    >jews
    >loyal to $non_jews
    Lol
    I thought Russians had already learned that particular lesson.

    Bashibuzuk turning in his... er, bed?

  • Russian GDP is going wild, wilder than college girls in Florida during Spring Break.

    Росстат зафиксировал рекордный с 2000 года квартальный рост ВВП России
    Во II квартале экономика страны выросла на 10,5% в годовом выражении

    https://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/news/2021/09/10/886196-rosstat-zafiksiroval-rekordnii-za-21-god-kvartalnii-rost-vvp-rossii

    Record GDP growth since 2000, 10.5% annualized.

    Inflation shamflation. There’s nothing wrong with inflation if it’s done right and with Nabiullina’s banking reform that shut down a bunch of rogue banks and cartelized the sector I had good confidence it would be allright. Give Nabiullina some flowers and champagne.

    And thats with government running budget surplus that really shouldn’t be happening – budget surplus is a drag on GDP growth.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
    @mal


    And thats with government running budget surplus that really shouldn’t be happening – budget surplus is a drag on GDP growth
     
    Have you turned MMT?

    Replies: @mal

  • Here’s how Moscow is going faster with electric buses than even London, let alone New York.

    New York has 25 electric buses, London has 485 electric buses, (Mosgortrans) Moscow alone has over 600 now and will have over 1000 electric buses by end of this year.

    All these cities have become less cities than networks of highways that some buildings attached to, and extremely fast need to find ways to improve their air quality (reduction of traffic noise from electric motors will be a side benefit).

    Moscow goes green: Russian capital eyes fully electric bus fleet by 2030

    Moscow plans to nearly quadruple the number of electric buses it operates in coming years and replace all petrol or diesel-powered public transport vehicles with greener alternatives by 2030, a senior city transport official has said.

    Mosgortrans, which runs Moscow’s vast bus and tram network, said its fleet of around 600 electric buses would be expanded by 400 vehicles by the year-end, by another 420 the following year, and then by 855, bringing the fleet to more than 2,000 e-buses.

    “Every year the plan will be to replace all wheeled public transport vehicles with electric buses,” said Artyom Burlakov, deputy head of the innovative projects department at Mosgortrans.

    Environmental activists have welcomed the initiative.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-environment-electric-buses-idUSKBN2AJ1J5

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @g2k
    @Dmitry

    Given that they already have a trolleybubus infrastructure and manufacturing capacity, it's not that hard. Just put batteries in the trolleybusses and they can charge whilst on the wires.

    , @Svevlad
    @Dmitry

    Electric buses and vehicles are a meme. Anything with a battery, really.

    They should replace them all with trolleybuses - iconic.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  • @Passer by
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Carbon neutral on a worldwide scale is impossible without more nuclear power, so yes.

    Russia, who leads the world's nuclear market, has it covered with its coming generation 4 closed fuel cycle lead cooled Brest reactor.

    But also there will be a golden age for natural gas, as a fuel replacing coal. So bullish on nuclear and bullish on nat gas.

    Nuclear plus natural gas = energy superpower of the 21st century. Guess who leads in both of those.

    Replies: @mal

    Energy is all well and good, on the whole I’m not too terribly concerned about that, from US perspective at least.

    Where US can get in trouble is monomer/basic chemical feedstock. A lot of it comes from China, and while US/German chemical industry is very powerful, they focus on higher value polymers and such.

    You can’t make higher value polymers without basic monomers.

    Can US build basic trains to make feedstock materials? Technically yes. But in reality, those processes are incredibly dirty and dangerous – we all read horror stories about Chinese peasants getting drenched in benzene or something. So while technically feasible, I don’t see Western countries granting permits for such “low value” production. So we are going to be at the mercy of Chinese.

    And to underscore the point. Our entire civilization, the entire world that you see around you, is based on only two branches of material science – metallurgy and industrial chemistry. Nothing else matters.

    If computers disappeared tomorrow we would just go back to the 1950’s, which would suck but it wouldn’t be the end of the world. If industrial chemistry disappeared, it’s back to the Middle Ages, even water treatment plants wouldn’t function. We would literally have to rent caves.

    Given current relationship with China, it’s not something I would want them to have the power to do. Basic train lives matter. 🙂

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Svevlad
    @mal

    Allowing your whole civilization to be blackmailed by a rival because you're too much pussified to open a chemical factory because "ree low value dirty industry!!1"

    Christ. Perhaps the Great Brownening is a good thing - will fix the autism. We'll solve IQ later.

  • @songbird
    According to intelligence researcher Kenya Kura, Japanese are more warlike than Chinese or Koreans because of their 30% Jomon ancestry.

    Trying to wrap my head around it, but don't know much about the Jomon. Can anyone posit a reason why they would be more warlike? Is it in the archeology?

    Or is it an assumption based on them being less agricultural, more like hunter gatherers? So, it like he is saying they have less wet-rice DNA.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @D.J. Crum, @E. Harding, @Almost Missouri, @olivo, @Boomthorkell

    Can anyone posit a reason why they would be more warlike?

    Consuming so many chickens made them part chicken, which as we know, are pure evil so they became part evil.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, mal
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Daniel Chieh

    Chickens are the closest living relatives to the dinosaurs, so maybe 🙃

    , @Morton's toes
    @Daniel Chieh

    Headless chicken running around flapping wings slaughtered butchered beheaded decapitated like mike

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXCk6Tc66hs

    NSFW if you have vegan ladies in your office. : )

    , @songbird
    @Daniel Chieh

    My theory why chickens are the most evil animal that ever lived:

    1.) Descend from dinosaurs (ex: can turn head completely around)
    2.) Originated in SE Asia, where they were competing against other vicious animals for millions of years, after dinos died out: tigers, komodo dragons, pythons, etc.
    3.) Super oviparous - and they are looking for vitamins and minerals to lay all those eggs
    4.) Originally raised not for food but for fighting
    5.) Catholics bred them to increase their already extreme egg-laying ability for Lent.

    Know it is not complete and am still trying to add points and vainly play catch-up, as they continue to relentlessly advance.

    For example, in DR, they breed some especially for their claws, cut them off, and then glue them on other chickens bred to have more fighting spirit. They often fight to the death, and so that spirit is increasing, with each new victorious sire. One day, they might accidentally crossbreed the two and give us Dominicanized chickens.

    Sometimes, I wonder if that will be our great filter. In order to be safe, I advocate that we kill them all off now, before this civilizational cycle ends, and transition to eating ducks or other fowl. Or, at the very least, glass the areas, where they continue to improve its fighting ability.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @songbird
    @Daniel Chieh

    Trouble with Haiti is that it is very hilly and so fighting chickens could be protected from the shockwaves in the smaller valleys, thereby gaining a mutational advantage from the fallout.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @C. Washington
    @Daniel Chieh

    The answer is in Lobachevskis work on Ponerology. It is the same as with Americans. As if a genetic psycho-structure has been imparted to the progeny of the woman and of the serpent. The most absurd and stupid pretext seems to elicit a kind of behavior we can clearly see in the past 270 years of American history which has never abated. Chickens are only peripheral element in their MO. The same as when Anatoly has to mention in every other article that VVP reads his work.
    There seems to be a sizeable source material for this view in the Scripture itself, which I understand is not that fashionable on these pages.

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Passer by

    No new investment in uranium mines for decades + end of swords for ploughshares program + EMs disregarding atomophobic propaganda and investing into nuclear power --> uranium prices spiking.

    Speculators are betting on a second Golden Age of nuclear. ⚛️

    Replies: @Passer by, @A123, @Svevlad, @Philip Owen

    Carbon neutral on a worldwide scale is impossible without more nuclear power, so yes.

    Russia, who leads the world’s nuclear market, has it covered with its coming generation 4 closed fuel cycle lead cooled Brest reactor.

    But also there will be a golden age for natural gas, as a fuel replacing coal. So bullish on nuclear and bullish on nat gas.

    Nuclear plus natural gas = energy superpower of the 21st century. Guess who leads in both of those.

    • Agree: mal, Levtraro
    • Replies: @mal
    @Passer by

    Energy is all well and good, on the whole I'm not too terribly concerned about that, from US perspective at least.

    Where US can get in trouble is monomer/basic chemical feedstock. A lot of it comes from China, and while US/German chemical industry is very powerful, they focus on higher value polymers and such.

    You can't make higher value polymers without basic monomers.

    Can US build basic trains to make feedstock materials? Technically yes. But in reality, those processes are incredibly dirty and dangerous - we all read horror stories about Chinese peasants getting drenched in benzene or something. So while technically feasible, I don't see Western countries granting permits for such "low value" production. So we are going to be at the mercy of Chinese.

    And to underscore the point. Our entire civilization, the entire world that you see around you, is based on only two branches of material science - metallurgy and industrial chemistry. Nothing else matters.

    If computers disappeared tomorrow we would just go back to the 1950's, which would suck but it wouldn't be the end of the world. If industrial chemistry disappeared, it's back to the Middle Ages, even water treatment plants wouldn't function. We would literally have to rent caves.

    Given current relationship with China, it's not something I would want them to have the power to do. Basic train lives matter. :)

    Replies: @Svevlad

  • Cultural news.
    Monuments to Leonardo and Raphael made of steel have been erected in Volgograd. In the future, it is planned to install monuments to Michelangelo and Donatello

    • Thanks: mal
    • Replies: @songbird
    @melanf

    Never did like the way Raph holds his sais. When you have so few fingers, it would be a shame to lose one to someone's sword.

  • I was at the Army-2011 expo this week. Very cool, sort of like a military-themed Geek Picnic. *** * POWERFUL COMMENT. Thorfinnsson on the Japanese economy. * Adam Tooze: Chartbook #35: It's not the fall that kills you .... Afghanistan's looming triple crisis. "Afghanistan as a country where the costs of central governance exceed local...
  • @mal
    @songbird

    Yeah, amazingly, potatoes have the majority of the nutrients you need to survive and not too many calories. And yes, peasants and the Irish are good examples.

    It is rather plain and boring though.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    My roommate has told me that he and his family were fortunate enough to exist only on potatoes for one whole year sometime in the late 1930’s/early forties in Ukraine. He’s 89 and still travels on his own (he’s in Denver right now). To celebrate his 80th birthday, he got up real early in the morning, hiked about 10 miles and then scaled Hoverla to the very top, and then hiked back down all non-stop for at least 30 hours. It’s hard to believe, but a true story AFAIK. He said that about half way up Hoverla he sprung an erection that would not go down. Like I said, it’s hard to believe – that’s why Ripley made a bundle with his “Believe it or Not?”. 🙂 🙂

    • Agree: mal
  • @songbird
    @mal

    Potato diet? Remarkable, never heard of it.

    Guess it was the mainstay of many peasants in Europe for a few hundred years.

    I remember reading the travelogue of a woman who passed through a spot on the map where many of my ancestors were then living. She asked for bread and was told that it was not to be found for many miles.

    Of course, I don't know how well the gut of Europeans could be adapted to potatoes. But I guess the main thing was a winnowing due to Type II diabetes.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @mal

    Yeah, amazingly, potatoes have the majority of the nutrients you need to survive and not too many calories. And yes, peasants and the Irish are good examples.

    It is rather plain and boring though.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @mal

    My roommate has told me that he and his family were fortunate enough to exist only on potatoes for one whole year sometime in the late 1930's/early forties in Ukraine. He's 89 and still travels on his own (he's in Denver right now). To celebrate his 80th birthday, he got up real early in the morning, hiked about 10 miles and then scaled Hoverla to the very top, and then hiked back down all non-stop for at least 30 hours. It's hard to believe, but a true story AFAIK. He said that about half way up Hoverla he sprung an erection that would not go down. Like I said, it's hard to believe - that's why Ripley made a bundle with his "Believe it or Not?". :-) :-)

  • @mal
    @Mr. Hack

    Good questions, i went on a potato diet a month ago and lost 15 lbs, but i still need 5 lbs to go and i want to work out again, and eat more than potatoes. I do drink a lot of coffee though, so that's interesting.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @songbird

    I enjoy drinking coffee too, however, I’ve cut down quite a bit from what I used to consume years ago.

    I came across a couple of adaptations to drinking coffee that make for a good exotic touch. Occasionally, I like to substitute coconut milk for regular cow’s milk or cream, for a nice slightly sweet variation.

    As far as sweetening coffee goes, I’ve totally cut out white sugar and now use stevia products. I’ve found that some stevia products are better than others. My favorite so far is a stevia “extract” that I purchase at “Trader Joes”. I also like to add in one very small teaspoon of honey to a cup, it gives the taste even more of a natural, exotic touch.

    The best innovation is for last. I have a couple of monk friends who live in a small skeete that I occasionally visit. One of them likes to drink coffee and adds some interesting herbs like cinnamon, nutmeg, dark chocolate and even a very small amount of red pepper (and probably more, that I’m not aware of). All of these spices, if added in a small amount, add some nice background notes that go quite well with coffee. One day while brewing some coffee, I thought of the “Bishop’s blend” and remembered that I had a small bottle of “pumpkin pie spice” in my pantry, that I only use once a year at Thanksgiving time. The little bottle had the following herbs within: “cinnamon, ginger, nutmeg, cloves, cardamom, star anise, fennel, black pepper”. All you need is to add in one very small amount (1/20 of a teaspoon) to a cup of coffee, and you too can enter the world of Arabian sheikhs. Even my 89 year roommate, who is not crazy about coffee seems to like this “blend”. 🙂

    • Thanks: mal
  • @mal
    @Triteleia Laxa


    If the state of income inequality gets more unpopular, then those democratic governments will redistribute more.
     
    Income, yes, I agree with that. It is inevitable that we will have some sort of basic income that will bridge income gap between rich and poor. Only stupid rich have declared income anyway. Smart rich earn like $1 per year or whatever.

    Wealth inequality on the other hand is mathematically impossible to solve in a polite way, and it will have to increase going forward.

    Basically, it is trivial and easy to make homeless crackhead and Bill Gates drive the same car, and we should aim for that, it's a good policy. But it is impossible and undesirable for both Bill Gates and homeless crackhead to have controlling stake in Microsoft Corporation. We kinda want to leave this to Bill Gates.

    Only recessions reduce wealth inequality (revolution being an extreme version of a recession) and they mostly hurt the poors badly. We could solve wealth inequality problem by killing off a lot of the poors but in a political economy based on mass consumption killing your customers is a dumb idea.

    Thus, it is inevitable that income gap will shrink, and wealth gap will increase.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Gates gonna be lynched for his hand in the vaccine business.

    Stop projecting trends of the past into the long-term future.

    • LOL: mal
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Yellowface Anon

    Yes, just like Norman Borlaug was lynched for increased Indian obesity rates.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  • @Mr. Hack
    @Daniel Chieh

    A few observations...

    I would think that your 5 day fast(s) would be for somebody who's already had the experiences of fasting several if not many times before. If this is so, what would you recommend for somebody who's interested in fasting, but at a lesser more gradual pace. I've fasted a few times before, actually long ago before it became fashionable amongst those who wish to practice a healthier lifestyle, for one full day at a time. But that was a long time ago.

    Obviously, the supplements that you used to help you, salt, coffee, nicotine, aided you in being able to undergo the stresses and needs of your deprived body. Why not fast for a lesser timeframe, say 1- 3 days max, and forego these supplements? Wouldn't the process of ketosis begin sooner and be more intense without these additional supplements, making the need for a day four or five unnecessary to achieve the final results that you were striving to achieve?

    Why add nicotine to your regimen? Isn't nicotine a poison of sorts?

    Were you able to compare notes with Karlin, who underwent a five day fast about a year ago? Did he also rely on any supplements to help him last till the last, fifth day?

    Replies: @mal, @The Big Red Scary, @Daniel Chieh, @Daniel Chieh

    Good questions, i went on a potato diet a month ago and lost 15 lbs, but i still need 5 lbs to go and i want to work out again, and eat more than potatoes. I do drink a lot of coffee though, so that’s interesting.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @mal

    I enjoy drinking coffee too, however, I've cut down quite a bit from what I used to consume years ago.

    I came across a couple of adaptations to drinking coffee that make for a good exotic touch. Occasionally, I like to substitute coconut milk for regular cow's milk or cream, for a nice slightly sweet variation.

    As far as sweetening coffee goes, I've totally cut out white sugar and now use stevia products. I've found that some stevia products are better than others. My favorite so far is a stevia "extract" that I purchase at "Trader Joes". I also like to add in one very small teaspoon of honey to a cup, it gives the taste even more of a natural, exotic touch.

    The best innovation is for last. I have a couple of monk friends who live in a small skeete that I occasionally visit. One of them likes to drink coffee and adds some interesting herbs like cinnamon, nutmeg, dark chocolate and even a very small amount of red pepper (and probably more, that I'm not aware of). All of these spices, if added in a small amount, add some nice background notes that go quite well with coffee. One day while brewing some coffee, I thought of the "Bishop's blend" and remembered that I had a small bottle of "pumpkin pie spice" in my pantry, that I only use once a year at Thanksgiving time. The little bottle had the following herbs within: "cinnamon, ginger, nutmeg, cloves, cardamom, star anise, fennel, black pepper". All you need is to add in one very small amount (1/20 of a teaspoon) to a cup of coffee, and you too can enter the world of Arabian sheikhs. Even my 89 year roommate, who is not crazy about coffee seems to like this "blend". :-)

    , @songbird
    @mal

    Potato diet? Remarkable, never heard of it.

    Guess it was the mainstay of many peasants in Europe for a few hundred years.

    I remember reading the travelogue of a woman who passed through a spot on the map where many of my ancestors were then living. She asked for bread and was told that it was not to be found for many miles.

    Of course, I don't know how well the gut of Europeans could be adapted to potatoes. But I guess the main thing was a winnowing due to Type II diabetes.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @mal

  • @Daniel Chieh
    @Daniel Chieh

    ---5 day water fast---

    This was close to a straight water fast, with the exception of a single cup of beef broth on days 1 to 3, with calorie intake less than 50 calories.

    Supplementation: beef broth(ran out on day 4-5), nicotine lozenges(1mg) and 7-11 POWER COFFEE which suppressed hunger. I drank black coffee, sometimes with ice, whenever I wanted as a 0 calorie drink.

    Exercise: I maintained a fairly intensive schedule to see how much it would be impacted - I kept up 3x days of resistance training, 3x days of light cardio during rest days, and one full rest day per week. I also maintained at leat 8000 steps a day, sometimes up to 11k, so my overall cardio was not much impacted.

    Result: I lost 7 lbs in 5 days, I lost a full 2% of bodyfat and muscle mass was basically not impacted, as recorded by OMRON. Ketosis hit after 48 hours, if not less.(this is important for those who are looking to get into fat adaption asap) My workouts were largely not impacted, although recovery became more difficult by day 4. Records show that I hit my step total every day, walking between 4 to 5 miles(8k to 11k steps).  In fact, I was more consistent on my fast days than I was before, suggesting that the additional focus and energy from norepinephrine helped me.  I recorded mild performance gains on some aspects resistance training, which was unusual; most of them were not able to budge upward, as expected.



    Subjective experience: 

    Days 1-3 went swimmingly - even pleasantly. I was unusually productive and at moments, approached a state akin to euphoria, ultimately accomplishing multiple chores that I had left undone, actually organized my evernote, started new routines which I am maintaining effectively now, got some programming done and was able to get up pretty much every date on the dot around 6:00 AM - even if I stayed up until 3 AM. 

    Day 4 after running out of beef broth powder that things began to become more difficult - not cognitively, but with the resistance workout not recovering as well as I wished.

    Day 5 featured an odd mix of intense energy and bodily fatigue, a bit like having your feet continue to insist to move while your body topples over. At some point I recognized that this was possibly an electrolyte issue, and drank some Himalayan salt with warm water(tastes amazing when you're fasting btw), and everything seemed to normalize. I ended up refocused and worked on things until 3 AM again. 

    The only other thing I noted was that on day 3 onward, I often felt cold, which I attribute to low blood pressure. Tastes were enhanced and black coffee(and salted warm water) was much more enjoyable than before.

    Overall: I think it was a good experience and I wouldn't mind doing it again, but with more attention to the electrolytes losses. As before, the experience from the hormonal boosts was great and correspondingly useful, allowing me to build habits and virtual structures(like a template for Evernote notes and recordings) that will be able to help me afterward. I mostly did not experience hunger pangs, with the exception of the end of Day 4, but it was more of an observation of "huh, my tummy is quivering" than an actual pang. In the future, though, I think that I will mostly assign it as a 3 day water fast, possibly at the end of every other month(holidays and other things permitting). 


    ---5 day protein sparing fast---

    This is a version from this: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/psmf-diet

    The idea is to keep caloric intake extremely low - typically at 800 or below, while keeping protein intake high in order to prevent losses to muscle. This was interesting to me, and since I was already in ketosis from my water fast, I wanted to continue onward to what results that I would have - if I would continue significant weight loss, etc, and if my performance would be impacted. It was quite surprising overall.


    Supplementation:  Nicotine lozenges(1mg) and 7-11 POWER COFFEE which suppressed hunger as before.

    Exercise: Since my performance was largely unimpacted, I continued my program. However, notably, on the protein sparing diet, I was actually able to notice improvement in my reps and weight. More on this later.

    Result: I lost 1 lb in 5 days, a really rather underwhelming amount compared to water fasting. I lost 0.7% bodyfat, but increasingly appeared to have gained skeletal muscle percentage around 2-3%. Its possible to argue that this is a "body recomposition" but overall, I was mostly a bit confused by the result and have considered several confounding factors, including the consumption of creatine on day 4 or so.

    Surprisingly, and pleasantly, I never left ketosis during the entire period, which to me is a strong vindication that ketosis is maintained so as long as you limit your carb intake sufficiently(<30 grams). I was eating up to 128 grams of protein and still ketosis maintained.

    Subjective experience: 
    Meals were difficult and required precise planning, because the combination of high protein and low calorie meant that an increasing quantities of my meals were balanced around whey isolate protein water.

    I also began to become aware of "refeeding" issues, such as heaviness or sleepiness after consumption of carbs. Deep in ketosis, blood sugar begins to influence your mood, so it is something to be aware of.

    Otherwise, however, energy levels were high. On the last day, I stayed up around 48 hours straight and was able to reorganize most of my home. In general, fasting seems to lead to boosts in mood and awareness, and this can drive forward even into stimuli close to manic behavior.

    At the end of the last day, I had at times, almost had no interest in food anymore at all.


    Epilogue: at some point after this, labor day saw me eat a fairly large meal with family. At some point, I think I exceeded 150 carbs, which definitively shut down ketosis. To maintain a ketogenic state, I think it is safe to say that restricting carbs is of paramount importance.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Daniel Chieh

    A few observations…

    I would think that your 5 day fast(s) would be for somebody who’s already had the experiences of fasting several if not many times before. If this is so, what would you recommend for somebody who’s interested in fasting, but at a lesser more gradual pace. I’ve fasted a few times before, actually long ago before it became fashionable amongst those who wish to practice a healthier lifestyle, for one full day at a time. But that was a long time ago.

    Obviously, the supplements that you used to help you, salt, coffee, nicotine, aided you in being able to undergo the stresses and needs of your deprived body. Why not fast for a lesser timeframe, say 1- 3 days max, and forego these supplements? Wouldn’t the process of ketosis begin sooner and be more intense without these additional supplements, making the need for a day four or five unnecessary to achieve the final results that you were striving to achieve?

    Why add nicotine to your regimen? Isn’t nicotine a poison of sorts?

    Were you able to compare notes with Karlin, who underwent a five day fast about a year ago? Did he also rely on any supplements to help him last till the last, fifth day?

    • Thanks: mal
    • Replies: @mal
    @Mr. Hack

    Good questions, i went on a potato diet a month ago and lost 15 lbs, but i still need 5 lbs to go and i want to work out again, and eat more than potatoes. I do drink a lot of coffee though, so that's interesting.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @songbird

    , @The Big Red Scary
    @Mr. Hack

    Some years ago, I changed to a diet mostly of beef, eggs, and salad, and sometimes I follow a water fast
    on Wednesdays and Fridays, rather than eat the Lenten meals that my wife prepares. Pretty much right away, I lost about twenty pounds of fat, and feel more energetic than ever, despite the increasing number of grey hairs in my beard. When I ate more carbs, I found water fasts very difficult, but now I hardly notice them. But I haven't yet experimented with longer fasts, like Chieh and Karlin.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Mr. Hack

    I've already fasted a couple of times before, yes, mostly three day fasts. For others, I recommend starting with 24 hour fasts and always recommend supporting with bone broth when possible.

    1) Forgoing bone broth, as noted, is a bad idea especially if you plan on remaining active - I was going to try to continue my workout schedule, and electrolyte exhaustion will hit you fast(and can be fatal).

    2) The other supplements mostly just helped suppress appetite or made the fast more entertaining. Nicotine is not harmful in the tiny quantities utilized and by the method of delivery used.

    3) I didn't compare notes with Anatoly though he was aware and familiar with my efforts to keep metrics. I actually have to day to day metrics, but because of the way that my recording device handles things, I'll have to sanitize the data first before I present it(it makes an entire entry per recording, which is not as useful as keeping it by the day).

    4) Generally speaking, longer fasts promotes more autophagy. This is good, though evidently not enough at all to support muscle growth from the workout(I wasn't able to execute progressive overload during the water fast).


    5) I did come to appreciate black and extremely lightly flavored coffee much more so afterward; one of my favorite blends is a light "coconut" flavoring to coffee, to which I add about four tablespoons of half-and-half. Its a huge indulgence for me, and has tones of natural sweetness without any added sugar.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Mr. Hack

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Mr. Hack


    Obviously, the supplements that you used to help you, salt, coffee, nicotine, aided you in being able to undergo the stresses and needs of your deprived body
     
    Wanted to comment a bit more on this - on ketosis, your body is actually not particularly deprived because it actually can pull its main energy sources by breaking down fat and using ketones instead of glucose. What it is missing are amino acids aka protein and electrolytes, neither which it can store efficiently.

    In order to maintain the amino acids for life, it will first turn to autophagy to break down old cells and waste material in order to support you: this is a good thing, as you do want to get rid of senescent cells where possible. The kidneys will attempt to conserve your electrolytes, but ketones tend to use more water and you will be probably drinking a lot of water on a water fast(and especially so if you're still working out), so this is where replacement is essential.

    You will probably survive if you don't, but the body can also downregulate metabolism - and that's something you definitely want to avoid as much as possible if you're looking to lose weight or change body composition. So the best way to keep yourself going "full blast" is to keep up your working out schedule, measure your caloric expenditure(and keep it up), and replace the minerals needed.

    If you're just starting out, that's probably a lot of variables to keep track of. But I've found it reasonably optimal - both physically and cognitively.

    Incidentally, I might garnered the attention of a physician doing this, so I might have much better metrics the next time I attempt it, including full body measurements. That would be cool.

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Daniel Chieh

    Incomes are already much redistributed.

    Clearly, democratic governments are very capable of redistribution and are extremely comfortable with it.

    If the state of income inequality gets more unpopular, then those democratic governments will redistribute more.

    This is hardly a radical observation.

    It is a phenomenon that is constantly happening in democratic countries without any problems. It is pretty much the most normal operation of the modern democratic state.

    That you think it is just impossible makes me want to get a lyre player, a shot of whiskey and a fainting couch for you.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @mal

    If the state of income inequality gets more unpopular, then those democratic governments will redistribute more.

    Income, yes, I agree with that. It is inevitable that we will have some sort of basic income that will bridge income gap between rich and poor. Only stupid rich have declared income anyway. Smart rich earn like $1 per year or whatever.

    Wealth inequality on the other hand is mathematically impossible to solve in a polite way, and it will have to increase going forward.

    Basically, it is trivial and easy to make homeless crackhead and Bill Gates drive the same car, and we should aim for that, it’s a good policy. But it is impossible and undesirable for both Bill Gates and homeless crackhead to have controlling stake in Microsoft Corporation. We kinda want to leave this to Bill Gates.

    Only recessions reduce wealth inequality (revolution being an extreme version of a recession) and they mostly hurt the poors badly. We could solve wealth inequality problem by killing off a lot of the poors but in a political economy based on mass consumption killing your customers is a dumb idea.

    Thus, it is inevitable that income gap will shrink, and wealth gap will increase.

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    @mal

    Gates gonna be lynched for his hand in the vaccine business.

    Stop projecting trends of the past into the long-term future.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  • @Daniel Chieh
    I've just finished a five day water fast, which I've since continued into a five-day "protein sparing" fast(less than 800 calories a day but consuming 0.7 grams of protein per pound). The results were pretty good, as well as some other interesting errata. I'll post more details once I'm done with it completely - its set to end Monday, so I hope to post about it Tuesday or Wednesday. I had battery of biometric devices, so there are a lot of details that I can provide on it, day by day.

    Long story short, though, I definitely recommend water fasting at least 72 hours to men(women react to it differently since by definition, it is designed to mess with your hormones and they appear to downregulate metabolism in response, which is definitely NOT a desired response). My jury is still out on the protein sparing fast. Perhaps most notably, muscle mass does not appear to decline at all(or if it does, it is pretty minimal) while fat percentage definitely does. I was also able to continue my workouts(3x strength, 3x cardio a week) and even make advancements, however, there are some kinks to this which I'll discuss further.

    Additionally, I will note that the cognitive effect of being in a fast is notably positive. I was taking supplements to add to it, but its honestly seems to match the level of illegal stimulants but without any of the aggression effects associated with it. However, it does share some of the downsides of intense stimulation as well, including sleep disturbances and a general ability to "power through" almost anything, even as you consciously notice your body failing on you. This is usually a positive thing, of course, but it can be overdone and requires careful and conscious judgment of your status since the usual emotional failsafes become muted.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Daniel Chieh

    —5 day water fast—

    This was close to a straight water fast, with the exception of a single cup of beef broth on days 1 to 3, with calorie intake less than 50 calories.

    Supplementation: beef broth(ran out on day 4-5), nicotine lozenges(1mg) and 7-11 POWER COFFEE which suppressed hunger. I drank black coffee, sometimes with ice, whenever I wanted as a 0 calorie drink.

    Exercise: I maintained a fairly intensive schedule to see how much it would be impacted – I kept up 3x days of resistance training, 3x days of light cardio during rest days, and one full rest day per week. I also maintained at leat 8000 steps a day, sometimes up to 11k, so my overall cardio was not much impacted.

    Result: I lost 7 lbs in 5 days, I lost a full 2% of bodyfat and muscle mass was basically not impacted, as recorded by OMRON. Ketosis hit after 48 hours, if not less.(this is important for those who are looking to get into fat adaption asap) My workouts were largely not impacted, although recovery became more difficult by day 4. Records show that I hit my step total every day, walking between 4 to 5 miles(8k to 11k steps).  In fact, I was more consistent on my fast days than I was before, suggesting that the additional focus and energy from norepinephrine helped me.  I recorded mild performance gains on some aspects resistance training, which was unusual; most of them were not able to budge upward, as expected.

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    Subjective experience: 

    Days 1-3 went swimmingly – even pleasantly. I was unusually productive and at moments, approached a state akin to euphoria, ultimately accomplishing multiple chores that I had left undone, actually organized my evernote, started new routines which I am maintaining effectively now, got some programming done and was able to get up pretty much every date on the dot around 6:00 AM – even if I stayed up until 3 AM. 

    Day 4 after running out of beef broth powder that things began to become more difficult – not cognitively, but with the resistance workout not recovering as well as I wished.

    Day 5 featured an odd mix of intense energy and bodily fatigue, a bit like having your feet continue to insist to move while your body topples over. At some point I recognized that this was possibly an electrolyte issue, and drank some Himalayan salt with warm water(tastes amazing when you’re fasting btw), and everything seemed to normalize. I ended up refocused and worked on things until 3 AM again. 

    The only other thing I noted was that on day 3 onward, I often felt cold, which I attribute to low blood pressure. Tastes were enhanced and black coffee(and salted warm water) was much more enjoyable than before.

    Overall: I think it was a good experience and I wouldn’t mind doing it again, but with more attention to the electrolytes losses. As before, the experience from the hormonal boosts was great and correspondingly useful, allowing me to build habits and virtual structures(like a template for Evernote notes and recordings) that will be able to help me afterward. I mostly did not experience hunger pangs, with the exception of the end of Day 4, but it was more of an observation of “huh, my tummy is quivering” than an actual pang. In the future, though, I think that I will mostly assign it as a 3 day water fast, possibly at the end of every other month(holidays and other things permitting). 

    —5 day protein sparing fast—

    This is a version from this: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/psmf-diet

    The idea is to keep caloric intake extremely low – typically at 800 or below, while keeping protein intake high in order to prevent losses to muscle. This was interesting to me, and since I was already in ketosis from my water fast, I wanted to continue onward to what results that I would have – if I would continue significant weight loss, etc, and if my performance would be impacted. It was quite surprising overall.

    Supplementation:  Nicotine lozenges(1mg) and 7-11 POWER COFFEE which suppressed hunger as before.

    Exercise: Since my performance was largely unimpacted, I continued my program. However, notably, on the protein sparing diet, I was actually able to notice improvement in my reps and weight. More on this later.

    Result: I lost 1 lb in 5 days, a really rather underwhelming amount compared to water fasting. I lost 0.7% bodyfat, but increasingly appeared to have gained skeletal muscle percentage around 2-3%. Its possible to argue that this is a “body recomposition” but overall, I was mostly a bit confused by the result and have considered several confounding factors, including the consumption of creatine on day 4 or so.

    Surprisingly, and pleasantly, I never left ketosis during the entire period, which to me is a strong vindication that ketosis is maintained so as long as you limit your carb intake sufficiently(<30 grams). I was eating up to 128 grams of protein and still ketosis maintained.

    Subjective experience: 
    Meals were difficult and required precise planning, because the combination of high protein and low calorie meant that an increasing quantities of my meals were balanced around whey isolate protein water.

    I also began to become aware of “refeeding” issues, such as heaviness or sleepiness after consumption of carbs. Deep in ketosis, blood sugar begins to influence your mood, so it is something to be aware of.

    Otherwise, however, energy levels were high. On the last day, I stayed up around 48 hours straight and was able to reorganize most of my home. In general, fasting seems to lead to boosts in mood and awareness, and this can drive forward even into stimuli close to manic behavior.

    At the end of the last day, I had at times, almost had no interest in food anymore at all.

    Epilogue: at some point after this, labor day saw me eat a fairly large meal with family. At some point, I think I exceeded 150 carbs, which definitively shut down ketosis. To maintain a ketogenic state, I think it is safe to say that restricting carbs is of paramount importance.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Daniel Chieh

    A few observations...

    I would think that your 5 day fast(s) would be for somebody who's already had the experiences of fasting several if not many times before. If this is so, what would you recommend for somebody who's interested in fasting, but at a lesser more gradual pace. I've fasted a few times before, actually long ago before it became fashionable amongst those who wish to practice a healthier lifestyle, for one full day at a time. But that was a long time ago.

    Obviously, the supplements that you used to help you, salt, coffee, nicotine, aided you in being able to undergo the stresses and needs of your deprived body. Why not fast for a lesser timeframe, say 1- 3 days max, and forego these supplements? Wouldn't the process of ketosis begin sooner and be more intense without these additional supplements, making the need for a day four or five unnecessary to achieve the final results that you were striving to achieve?

    Why add nicotine to your regimen? Isn't nicotine a poison of sorts?

    Were you able to compare notes with Karlin, who underwent a five day fast about a year ago? Did he also rely on any supplements to help him last till the last, fifth day?

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    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Daniel Chieh

    Additional errata for those curious:

    Day to day measurements and food tables.

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  • Matt Yglesias might want a billion Americans. But there would have been 500 million Russians in the absence of the Bolshevik Revolution, as was predicted by Dmitry Mendeleev in a 1907 book. Putin, who it is now very clear reads my blog and Twitter, recently said as much himself in a meeting with schoolchildren in...
  • @German_reader
    @Hyperborean


    To be honest, even a neutral magistrate would be unlikely to look too fondly on anyone associated with this website.
     
    I don't find anything recent by Durocher on other platforms though, doesn't seem limited to UR.
    Agreed about UR, on the whole it's a terrible site, vast majority (more than 90%) of content is total garbage, at this point it wouldn't be much of a loss if it went down. A pity, the commenting system itself is pretty great after all.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @John Regan

    Agreed about UR, on the whole it’s a terrible site, vast majority (more than 90%) of content is total garbage, at this point it wouldn’t be much of a loss if it went down.

    My view is exactly the opposite. In these dark days of censorship when the traditional tyranny of Europe is increasingly creeping into America as well, a forum for debate that can attract people with different positions and truly values free speech is more valuable than ever.

    Consider just a few of the high profile contributors to the Unz Review:

    * Steve Sailer (oldfashioned compassionate conservative frozen in amber in pre-Woke mode)

    * Anatoly Karlin (liberal progressive transhumanist Russian civic nationalist)

    * E. Michael Jones (fanatical Catholic with immense classical learning)

    * Andrew Anglin (former neo-Nazi turned hardcore American Taleban)

    * Chanda Chisala (the one person in the world who tries to argue rationally against race realism rather than just scream about racism)

    * Fred Reed (anti-imperialist liberal and world’s greatest China shill)

    * Ron Unz himself (unique man with unique opinions)

    Obviously I don’t agree with many of the positions that these men promote. Just as obviously they don’t agree with each other. In fact I personally find many of the opinions held by various of these men downright repulsive. But all of them are very bright, and all of them have at least some good points to make. My intellectual life is the richer for engaging with them. Without the Unz Review that probably would not have happened.

    Where else literally in all the world today can you find this amount of brainpower representing so many truly diverse opinions? And opinions that are mostly banned by the mainstream at that?

    The Unz Review will never be “respectable” like so many people seem to think it ought to be. But surely the point of it isn’t to be a slightly more edgy National Review. It serves a far nobler purpose by allowing for a truly free debate unhampered by any brand of political correctness. Where each position must stand or fall solely on the strength of the arguments presented for or against it.

    Ron Unz is that rarest of rare birds: A man who truly believes in freedom of speech for its own sake and not just as a rhetorical or tactical device to push his own views. The Unz Review is the result. Bless him for it, says I.

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  • @AaronB
    @Mikel

    Yes, the Winds keep on drawing me back! I will probably be there next summer too. There is something about their wildness, and epic scale - the weather is fierce, the elevations are high, the wild animals are many, and the terrain is very varied.

    I spent a bit of time in the San Juans - very pretty mountains, but they feel much softer and less wild, also less varied.

    You're completely right about the wildfires - I spoke with the ranger, he said this is common every several years.

    I was by a fire tower in Wyoming, and it said this tower used to spot and help suppress over 300 fires every summer! Obviously this is completely unnatural - somehow I don't think the Indians did that ;)

    Wildfires are healthy and natural - there are Zen mountain poems which talk of their beauty.

    I was also reading that many forests in the West are over 5 times thicker than they would be naturally! And in Wyoming, this has allowed the beetle that's been eating pines to decimate entire lowland forests. I've walked through completely dead lowland forests - an eerie experience. Luckily, the high country forests are in good shape.

    To be fair, there was a certain eerie and mystical beauty driving through the High Plains of Wyoming shrouded in smoke, the sun dim and red :) Only, it burned my throat, and was too hot.

    But I wanted the piercing blue skies of the West! Cool mornings, and piercing blue skies. Luckily, S Colorado and Utah have been good so far.

    Ah, ok so I understand better your scenery preferences now. In that case, you will love the Winds! My preferences are similar - I enjoy Alpine scenery, but love dry conditions and dramatic changes etc. And while I love forests, I also need more "open" areas interspersed with trees etc.

    The area around Arches and Moab is sublime, I agree - I am on my way there as I wrote this :)

    Hope you enjoyed your weekend in the mountains!

    Replies: @Mikel

    The high point of the weekend, in several different ways. Easy ascent but a solitary and strenuous climb, no signs of humans in miles. I found a couple of bristlecone pines that were possibly alive before any European had set foot in these regions. It will be difficult to make the feelings of serenity and accomplishment last through the working week but one has to try.

    I’m curious about how you adapted your SUV to sleep inside. I guess I would have chosen a truck for that purpose, more space for a proper bed and a kitchenette. I probably will in the future. But an SUV must give you more agility and better mileage.

    • Thanks: mal
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Mikel

    Mikel that image is awesome.

    I have similar shots from CA where I used to live. I moved to CO a few weeks ago and I am just now getting adjusted enough to the altitude that I am ready for baby climbs now, nothing quite like this quite yet but soon!

    Do you have a favorite online information source for choosing new routes?

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @AaronB
    @Mikel

    Thanks for the pic, it's great!

    I can well imagine the feeling of exhilaration standing there, buffeted by high winds, cold, thin air, the intense, golden sunlight of high places, and the satisfied exhaustion of the climb!

    High altitude mountains have a feeling to them that is indescribable and completely magical - no picture can ever recreate that for someone who hasn't been to such places.

    For myself, True Life starts at 4,000 feet minimum :) Over the years during my travels, I began to notice that I felt especially exuberant and invigorated - and spiritual - in certain places, where the air and light felt different. Curious, I looked into it - and found they were all above 4,000 feet :) I think optimum for me, is between 8,000-10,000 feet to live, and higher for the exhilaration :)

    The swampy miasma of NYC, with it's unbearably hot, muggy, summers - the anti-spiritual city par excellence!


    I found a couple of bristlecone pines that were possibly alive before any European had set foot in these regions
     
    That's great - I love that kind of thing!

    It will be difficult to make the feelings of serenity and accomplishment last through the working week but one has to try
     
    That's the challenge isn't it? To carry the magic over into our boring and mundane lives - it's too bad the world is organized so that we have to make these kinds of choices!

    Imagine if work would be as good as wandering mountains - may it become that way :)


    I’m curious about how you adapted your SUV to sleep inside. I guess I would have chosen a truck for that purpose, more space for a proper bed and a kitchenette. I probably will in the future. But an SUV must give you more agility and better mileage.
     
    I considered a truck initially, something like an F-150, but they have to have the long bed to be feasible, and are just so huge - it would be hard to find parking in NYC!

    And with my long drive every trip, gas mileage is a consideration.

    Finally, the car market now - across the country but it seems especially in NYC - is just terrible! A month of searching I could not find a good car at a decent price from an honest seller!

    After a month of searching, I gave up on getting exactly what I wanted.

    As for sleeping arrangements, I basically removed the back seats - so I have no back seats. I considered removing the front passenger seat as well, but it wasn't necessary.

    I was initially going to do a cool build-out with wood paneling etc, but then in keeping with my Taoist ways I ended keeping it simple - or maybe just in keeping with my innate laziness and impatience to get on the road :)

    So all I basically did was throw a 4 inch memory foam mattress in the back, and some cushion padding by my feet to "even" things out. That's it! I use plastic containers to organize my gear.

    It's extremely basic and simple, but I've been supremely comfortable sleeping this way! I've been out three weeks, and haven't even had any real desire to get a hotel yet - which is weird, usually I itch for a nice hotel after ten days or so.

    Well, at the moment I'm here in magnificent Canyonlands NP, at 6,000 feet - the mornings and evenings are deliciously cool, and only midday is hot - but very comfortable in shade. I'm rght next to Arches and the La Sal Mountains. I should be here until the 25th unless I get restless - wonderful exploring, canyons, and mountains, fot two and a half weeks.

    I may do a 14er on my way home driving through Colorado - I hope to! And I want to post more photos too, but all I have now is my shitty cell phone cam.

    Thanks for your pics and trip report, Mikel.

    Replies: @Mikel

  • @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    If you are talking about modern history (e.g. European conquest of America, India and Africa), these were advanced modern technological societies, conquering continents of “third world people”, who were often at the hunter-gatherer stage of society.
     
    That's quite an exaggeration, Indian states weren't that backward at the time of the British conquest, they had firearms, also literate elites, a developed commercial sector (with bills of exchange and the like), advanced taxation systems etc. On some level the British were only able to achieve their conquests, because they had taken over the Bengal state with its institutions and entered into an alliance with native elites. And the later wars against rulers like Tipu Sultan or against the Sikhs were actually pretty hard-fought, because those states had begun adopting European-style infantry tactics and embarked on at least some modernization.
    Obviously New World societies were much more backwards (basically stone age), but the Aztec and Inca empires weren't at the hunter-gatherer stage either, they were numerous and socially complex societies.

    Replies: @Vishnugupta

    People don’t realize how much of a fluke the British colonization of India was.

    India was not that backward in terms of military tech.Pre industrial era Indian steel was the best in the world and Indian artillery routinely outranged European artillery(It suffered from a very poor rate of fire and lack of standardization though).
    Then there were things like metal cased rockets which were reverse engineered by the British into Congreve rockets.

    Indian shipbuilding firms would routinely build and sell warships to the British.The US national anthem was composed aboard one such ship i.e. the HMS Miden.

    So the technological base of India was more than adequate to assimilate European technology and India had (and still has) more gold than all of Europe combined so the hard currency to pay for European arms and expertise.

    The biggest power after the collapse of the Mughals was the Martha Empire which was modernizing with French expertise and had defeated the British in the first Anglo Martha War.

    Alternate history is a pointless exercise but there are any number of viable scenarios of the Martha military modernization being completed 1-2 decades earlier and the British being permanently removed from India.

    Indian states had previously defeated the Portuguese,French and Dutch attempts at establishing themselves beyond their small enclaves at their expense it was entirely possible even likely that the British would meet a similar fate had the Marathas began their military modernization even a decade earlier.

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    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Vishnugupta

    Marathas could've just not pissed off everyone in the NW and also taken their advice - No defeat at Panipat and no Christians in Asia or Muslims till Turkey then.

    I'm satisfied with the current timeline, it's Guru's ਹੁਕਮ।।

    This makes the present Gandhian and disarmed state of India even more pathetic।।

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    , @German_reader
    @Vishnugupta


    Indian states had previously defeated the Portuguese,French and Dutch attempts at establishing themselves beyond their small enclaves
     
    The British had already gone well beyond that though once they had hijacked Bengal with its tax revenues and military resources. My impression is that the general view is it would have taken a coalition of Indian states and a coordinated effort to expel them again (iirc there were even some attempts at this, but mostly the British were able to pick off one enemy at a time, annexing territories of defeated enemies and former allies and thereby steadily increasing their resource advantage). But I agree with you, things could easily have gone differently, 18th century Indian states were far from primitive.

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    , @Philip Owen
    @Vishnugupta

    My two pennyworth. Note the reference to Russia as this is a Russian blog.

    Siraj ud Daulah's primary enemy was not the East India Company. He was in revolt against the Sultan whose authority was in decline across the Mughal Empire, the position of Nawab being that of an hereditary administrator. The Nawab was also stealing from and fighting the rest of his family. He was looting the property of the merchant classes. (insecurity of private property was a key difference between the economies of NW Europe and India-discouraged capital investment and banking). His main interest in the British in Calcutta was a higher share of the customs duties sent to Delhi and the recapture of family members who had fled there. In Bengali accounts, the General Mir Jaffa is portrayed as a traitor to the Nawab but he can equally be read as a loyalist to the Sultan who has no one left to speak for him. The East India Company acknowledged the Sultan as their ruler/lawmaker for another 34 years after Plassey.

    The accident of the Nawab's revolt led to Plassey and thus the (overgenerous?) award of land and other rights in Bengal to the East India Company and Mir Jaffa. Without the Nawab, The lack of secure private property and a system for banking rather than moneylending would still have remained. The Indian states would not have competed economically with Europe. Indian history would have dominated by the French and there would be an even bigger patchwork of separate countries where the pieces of India now stand unless Napoleon unified it beforehand.

    Russia would still have conquered Central Asia perhaps even larger parts of Afghanistan than it actually did. "The Great Game" is a later Russian invention to justify their conquest and tribute taking in Central Asia which was going to happen anyway. Even without the British in the way, Russia would not have had the capacity to reach India proper.

    Replies: @German_reader