RSSThe Egyptian word is heka and an instructional text describes it as a divine gift to be used to ward off the blow of events i.e. defensively (as an aside the same text is the earliest surviving mention that man is made in the image of God – long before it appears in the bible).
It was a tool principally of the educated priestly class and was used in the daily temple ritual to ward off the anti-creation force in the form of Apophis. There is an explicit warning about the misuse of Heka in the form of curses (the common Jewish MO) which jeopardises the eternal life of the person. If asked I would tell people to keep away from magic because the harm they can do inadvertently to themself or others as it was only ever meant to be used by the wise and that is not a characteristic of the world today.
I browsed a few of your comments and I don't think I found the Set one you refer to. Link?Replies: @Jack McArthur, @Jack McArthur
He thought he was invoking Allah and a miracle but I instantly linked the phenomena to Set/Seth whom I have recently written about on UR.
From “Which Seth? Untangling some close homonyms from ancient Egypt and the Near East”, Lloyd D. Graham, PRAGUE EGYPTOLOGICAL STUDIES XXVII/2021, 60–96:
I browsed a few of your comments and I don't think I found the Set one you refer to. Link?Replies: @Jack McArthur, @Jack McArthur
He thought he was invoking Allah and a miracle but I instantly linked the phenomena to Set/Seth whom I have recently written about on UR.
https://www.unz.com/jtaylor/what-we-have-lost/#comment-6716971
https://www.unz.com/aanglin/uk-former-mi6-agent-who-penned-fake-pissgate-dossier-says-russia-tricked-british-into-being-against-stabbing-children/#comment-6710141
https://www.unz.com/runz/the-state-of-israel-as-cartoonishly-evil/?showcomments#comment-6704080 (chain of related comments)
Not mentioned in any of the above is that Seth/ Set is associated with extreme weather phenomena (the context of the comment in this article) e.g. “master of storms” https://www.britannica.com/topic/Seth-Egyptian-god (+ H. te Velde “Seth God of Confusion” p. 35 “Storm god”, p. 85, p. 102-3, etc.)
Did either of you even bother to watch the video I linked to?
Much of what you write is grounded in history and the corruption of “charities” today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform
In the ancient world puberty was the marker for coming of age and I suspect in much of the modern world up until modern times in which they dismember children limb by limb in their mother’s womb – the worst form of hypocrisy.
Another striking coincidence at the weekend which leaves even so called “conspiracy theorists” bemused.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13759221/Mike-Lynch-superyacht-Sicily.html
I had recently wrote about Jews boasting that they are behind all the ill luck to affect Joseph Kennedy’s family through the issue of an intergenerational curse based on their OT. The two people who died in separate incidents had recently been cleared in a US court of a multi billion dollar fraud against companies whose biggest shareholders are Jewish run.
That type of curse, so evil in intent, I suspect requires a third death i.e. the offering and murder of an innocent child to powers of evil in this world.
As it happens I was witness to a Muslim using the Quran like a grimoire over ten years ago which caused a localised tornado like phenomena to shake the building we were in. He thought he was invoking Allah and a miracle but I instantly linked the phenomena to Set/Seth whom I have recently written about on UR. To emphasise the point I was then seemingly directed to an Ancient Egyptian text which declared “you have seen Seth/Set in his true nature”.
I browsed a few of your comments and I don't think I found the Set one you refer to. Link?Replies: @Jack McArthur, @Jack McArthur
He thought he was invoking Allah and a miracle but I instantly linked the phenomena to Set/Seth whom I have recently written about on UR.
I haven’t seen as yet on UR another “coincidence” written about in the normal way by UR authors i.e. the freeing of Julian Assange coinciding with the ransomware attack on the Federal Reserve.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2024/06/24/lockbit-federal-reserve-breach-threat/1551719268783/
A MSM blackout regarding the former?
Whenever, say an engineer or other technical person, studies how to make things better in terms of failure rate they will gravitate to the items which top the list in terms of failure rate and not head to the bottom of the table for very obvious reasons.
When it comes to abortion there seems to be tendency of abortionists to gravitate to the bottom of the table and it is not clear why save that it diverts the attention away from the common causes which discomforts them to the extreme cases as if they are representative in order to justify by sleight of hand abortion. A very significant majority of reasons given for abortion relate to convenience factors e.g. it would impact the persons lifestyle.
https://www.guttmacher.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/tables/370305/3711005t2.pdf
Mormons are opposed to abortion as well but with some exceptions so what is your point if indeed you are claiming to be a prophet (who normally speak plainly, directly regarding the nature of the wrongdoing and who it has been done to). Are you suggesting the abortion evangelists are leading a much cleaner life than him?
He was given the same treatment for a message he sent to Greta Thurnberg.
https://www.cnet.com/culture/andrew-tate-the-arrest-greta-thunberg-feud-and-everything-else-you-need-to-know/
Replies: @Jack McArthur
"The care taken in the preparation of this burial clearly demonstrates the value placed on life, even in the first weeks of its inception," said Julie Dawson, head of conservation at the Fitzwilliam Museum."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/newly-discovered-fetus-youngest-egyptian-mummy-record-124141874.html
Dioderous Siculus could still observe late in Ancient Egyptian history that a pregnant woman found guilty of a capital crime could not be executed until the child was delivered because “they held it entirely unjust that the innocent should suffer the same punishment as the guilty” (BK1, CH 77).
Ancient Egypt did not have a revealed religion in the biblical sense but most certainly did have a conception of a spirit which gave a moral and ethical compass. “I told no lie to anyone. I know the god who dwells in me. Knowing Him I know right from wrong” (Tomb of Paheri, c. 1500 bc). “Those in their mothers’ womb already have their face turned towards You” (Hymn to Osiris. Today in the Ancient Egyptian calendar is his great feast day – W3g festival). The argument from size regarding abortion seems particularly weak in this context with prayers such as the aforementioned and how disabled, e.g. dwarfism , were welcomed and looked after (Instruction of Amenemope etc.).
Illiterate.
Didn’t even read a word I said.
A thoroughly dishonest person. You wrote:
A. A loved one of our family died because they couldn’t find a judge to OK an abortion to save her life.
Double fuck you and everything you stand for.
A commentator called you out for lying:
No one in your family died because they couldn’t get an abortion. Why are you lying? The media would have played that story to the hilt if it were true and you’d be all over msnbc giving interviews. But what has happened, and is actually documented, is that 60 million babies have been murdered in the womb since you Molochites pushed through Roe v Wade.
You replied by ignoring the accusation of lying and instead resort to crude attacks:
See. Here is a prime example of the brain-dead masses I am talking about. It doesn’t even know what I am talking about. It thinks life is a simple-minded little fairy tale and it is Little Red Riding Hood. They’re all like this. We are doomed.
Somebody replied to you:
The irony always strikes me when you start abusing other people as ‘brain-dead.’
I mean, you’re a prize idiot. That’s okay; lots of people are prize idiots. But to be one, and call others stupid…
You are indeed a pro-abortion fanatic who lies without any sense of shame and that reveals the spirit at work in you.
I remember you – I blocked you a while back because you came across as a pro abortion fanatic who was called out for lying that a family member died because she could not find a judge to allow an abortion.
https://www.unz.com/ejones/who-killed-daria-dugina/?showcomments#comment-5508233
You replied with your favourite tactic of crude personal abuse. Anyone who wishes to evaluate the quality and sincerity of your argument just has to do a search for “abortion” in your comment history and take measure of their worth.
In Ancient Egypt the unborn were regarded as persons and this echoed in surviving prayers. The tomb of King Tutankhamun contained the mummies of two such fetus with the epithet “Osiris” attached to them indicating they will be resurrected. Other such burials:
“The care taken in the preparation of this burial clearly demonstrates the value placed on life, even in the first weeks of its inception,” said Julie Dawson, head of conservation at the Fitzwilliam Museum.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/newly-discovered-fetus-youngest-egyptian-mummy-record-124141874.html
The fetus is fully human from the moment of fertilization, not something other than human that becomes human at some arbitrary point of someone’s choosing while growing into a full-size baby at delivery. In pregnancy, the moment a woman understands she’s pregnant, she and her husband know there’s a baby in there. They think and say “baby,” as do their friends and relatives. They do not think and say it’s just a worthless aggregation of cells whose destruction through abortion is meaningless if it suits the mother’s “choice.”
In New York almost every member of the state legislature got on his or her feet to cheer a bill allowing abortion up until natural birth, which is the straightforward celebration of infanticide. We look around, waiting for signs of the end even as mainly unmarriageable fat women proclaim the essence of womanhood isn’t having children, but the right to kill them. You may recall that during Trump’s first term, quietly and without notice, the Republicans under Ryan and McConnell fully funded Planned Parenthood while simultaneously denouncing abortion to the folks back home.
From there how easy the transition has been—because of neutered opposition—, so that women demonically bring their children to drag queen story hour where men dress up as female sexual demons in mockery of womanhood for the sole purpose, not of telling stories, but of introducing children to twerking and demonic sex.
It’s also women who’ll persuade their boys they’re girls and girls they’re boys to offer them up on the altar of chemical and surgical sexual mutilation. If anyone’s looking for confirmation it’s the end times for America, this mind-altering female demonism is it. Wars? Destroyed economy? Who cares about that shit when this coming election is being turned into a woman’s proclamation of her “right” to destroy babies and sexually mutilate her children.
As E. Michael Jones always says, “Abortion is a Jewish sacrament.”
As Jones also says, “Abortion is the quickest way to destroy your life (by ending another one).”
I forgot to mention that there is a lot of financial disasters associated with Oracle high IQ Indian work never mind planes falling from the sky (the US could land a man on the moon in 1969 but has trouble keeping a plane in the air in 2024).
https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/20/birmingham_oracle_cost/?td=rt-3a
The context was IT jobs. Indians were not needed to develop the software that landed man on the moon in 1969 nor the creative work that led to the development of computers – the field that Ellison and his ilk made their money. They destroy the educational system through preferential treatment given to people who lack the god given talent to do the work and through worthless degrees in worthless subjects and then whine they have to import workers from India.
It was Jewish tech billionaire Larry Ellison of Oracle who pioneered the influx of Indian workers so much so that in 2016 his Indian CEO said:
You look through an entire management team across the world and you realize three quarters is from India — and all parts of India by the way, not just one area. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/75-of-management-is-from-india-oracle-ceo/articleshow/50938387.cms
It’s really a shame the west fought Germany in the two wars. Germans were never the enemy.
[JFK] then 28, predicted “Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived”.. “He had in him the stuff of which legends are made” https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39371715
Cannot find the specific quote but it does indeed seem in keeping with other views he does express in The Point:
“spineless citizen”: the man who has no cultural sensibilities; who is incapable of indignation; whose sole mental activity is merely an extension of what he reads in the newspaper or sees on the television screen; who faces moral disaster in his neighborhood, political disaster in his country, and an impending world catastrophe with a blank and smiling countenance. He has only understanding for the enemies of his country. He has nothing but kind sentiments for those who would destroy his home and family. He has an earnest sympathy for anyone who would obliterate his faith. He is universally tolerant
…Catholics have taken to be merely entertainment, not suspecting that these shows serve the purpose of indoctrination. The newspapers that the Jews control, Catholics have trusted to report the straight news, not suspecting that these newspapers slant the news in order to create the impressions and the interests and the attitudes that the Jews want created.
A collection of The Point magazine (the supposed source of the quote) can be downloaded here: https://download.library.lol/main/2412000/9d1302870936f38f104daea7327dd10b/Father%20Leonard%20Feeney%20-%20The%20Point%201952-1959-Saint%20Benedict%20Center%20%281952%29.epub⬇
Fulton Sheen Life is Worth Living TV series from the same era is to be found on Youtube
“spineless citizen”: the man who has no cultural sensibilities; who is incapable of indignation; whose sole mental activity is merely an extension of what he reads in the newspaper or sees on the television screen; who faces moral disaster in his neighborhood, political disaster in his country, and an impending world catastrophe with a blank and smiling countenance. He has only understanding for the enemies of his country. He has nothing but kind sentiments for those who would destroy his home and family. He has an earnest sympathy for anyone who would obliterate his faith. He is universally tolerant
...Catholics have taken to be merely entertainment, not suspecting that these shows serve the purpose of indoctrination. The newspapers that the Jews control, Catholics have trusted to report the straight news, not suspecting that these newspapers slant the news in order to create the impressions and the interests and the attitudes that the Jews want created.
Russia’s alcohol policy: a continuing success story
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)32265-2/fulltext
Alcohol Consumption by Young Russians Drops by Half, Study Says
The decrease could be even greater but for the drinking of parents https://iq.hse.ru/en/news/825755711.html
Alcohol Dependency in Russia Increases for First Time in a Decade https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/01/15/alcohol-dependency-in-russia-increases-for-first-time-in-a-decade-a83718
In Russia, there is a religious revival happening. Orthodox Christianity is thriving after enduring a 70-year period of atheistic Soviet rule. In 1991, just after the collapse of the USSR, about two-thirds of Russians claimed no religious affiliation. Today, 71 percent of Russians identify as Orthodox. https://religionandpolitics.org/2018/10/16/russias-journey-from-orthodoxy-to-atheism-and-back-again/
Over the past two decades, since the collapse of the Soviet Union, there has been an upsurge in affiliation with Orthodox Christianity in Russia.1 Between 1991 and 2008, the share of Russian adults identifying as Orthodox Christian rose from 31% to 72%, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of three waves of data (1991, 1998 and 2008) from the International Social Survey Programme (ISSP) – a collaboration involving social scientists in about 50 countries. During the same period, the share of Russia’s population that does not identify with any religion dropped from 61% to 18%. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2014/02/10/russians-return-to-religion-but-not-to-church/
Percentage of Orthodox is down in Russia, but percentage of practicing Orthodox is up https://orthochristian.com/155240.html
Luk 22:36 Jesus “said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Matt 21:12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.
Christianity was never pacifist in the mainstream. In many situations it is good for a person to ignore offences and tit for tat escalation instead of Jew like hanging on to injuries and offences and never forgetting. On the one hand Christianity is condemned for being pacifistic but on the other hand for crusades etc etc.
Putin signs law banning advertisements for abortion in Russia https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-signs-law-banning-advertisements-abortion-russia-flna2d11655460
Russia Announces Plan To Halve Abortion Rates To Spur Population Growth https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-plan-reduce-abortions/31473124.html
Putin: Christianity is the foundation of the Russian state https://apnews.com/general-news-c5323a9799cc41748b62a517f63388f3
Russian president signs legislation marking the final step outlawing gender-affirming procedures https://apnews.com/article/russia-lgbtq-transgender-procedures-banned-21b88f53b9a74a646400d63ce93bde6f
Putin signs law expanding Russia’s rules against ‘LGBT propaganda’ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-signs-law-expanding-russias-rules-against-lgbt-propaganda-2022-12-05/
Russia’s Supreme Court bans “LGBT movement” as “extremist” https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-supreme-court-bans-lgbt-movement-extremist-2023-11-30/
Vladimir Putin signs law banning gender changes in Russia https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/24/vladimir-putin-signs-law-banning-gender-changes-in-russia
Russian president Vladimir Putin braves subzero lake to mark Orthodox Epiphany https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6ReUXtm_VE
In the first part of this investigative series, MintPress explores the de facto independent state that has been created by British billionaire and Zionist Joe Lewis, a long-time associate of controversial Hungarian-American financier George Soros. Lewis has essentially bought out the local, regional and even national government of Argentina, allowing him to operate with impunity while he acquires more and more territory through land purchases of dubious (if any) legality, intimidates and threatens locals, usurps crucial water and energy resources from local towns, and operates his own international private airport that no one but he controls.
Subsequent reports in this series will examine the other key players in this effort to create a Patagonian state, namely Argentine oligarchs Marcelo Mindlin and Eduardo Elsztain, who are both deeply connected to the global Zionist lobby and the Rockefeller-founded Americas Society, and are also both close Soros associates. https://www.mintpressnews.com/dark-secret-behind-british-billionaire-joe-lewis-parallel-state-in-argentina-patagonia/256068/
Israeli backpackers suffer antisemitic aggression in Patagonia
Hostel in Argentinian region forced to close after men launch violent attack screaming ‘Jews are trying to take over Patagonia’ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/21/israeli-backpackers-antisemitic-campaign-patagonia
The Jordan Valley could be seen as the archetype because it ends with the Dead Sea which is the lowest point on the surface of the earth and in which nothing lives. This is strongly symbolic for those who believe in sacred geography. The Jordan river was supposed to be a life giving spiritual water for the world but how its ends physically is how it ends spiritually to any culture that allows it in i.e. the entrance to hades and death. Take the USA and the West in general today and see how ultimately they have been "blessed" by its waters. Go back in time and see how Rome was sacked for the first time in 700 years not long after a Christian emperor banned the old religions.Replies: @Jack McArthur
In an ideal world, American Jews would be placed on a reservation in Death Valley with a sophisticated dead man’s switch. All other Jews would be packed off to Israel and then isolated from the rest of the family of nations.
In an ideal world, American Jews would be placed on a reservation in Death Valley with a sophisticated dead man’s switch. All other Jews would be packed off to Israel and then isolated from the rest of the family of nations.
The Jordan Valley could be seen as the archetype because it ends with the Dead Sea which is the lowest point on the surface of the earth and in which nothing lives. This is strongly symbolic for those who believe in sacred geography. The Jordan river was supposed to be a life giving spiritual water for the world but how its ends physically is how it ends spiritually to any culture that allows it in i.e. the entrance to hades and death.
Take the USA and the West in general today and see how ultimately they have been “blessed” by its waters. Go back in time and see how Rome was sacked for the first time in 700 years not long after a Christian emperor banned the old religions.
In a recent post I mentioned how late in Egyptian history Set/Seth was described as the god of the Jews. Continuing with the above theme it does not seem mere coincidence that Seth is described as the “god of death” (te Velde, 1967, p. 25) and the desert is his domain – the desert in which the Moses followers encounter their god.
How strange that this new religion of Moses comes not with any promise or hope in an afterlife but instead promises transient wealth confined to this world only. This echoes the descriptor of Set/Seth being the god of death, indeed an Egyptian text describes the hopeful seeker of entry into eternal life declaring “I do not die, Seth has no power over me” (op cit.) yet here we have a group of people who give up hope in eternal life for the ephemeral.
Notice how when Jesus is taken into the desert to be tempted by the devil he is offered the world if he will only worship the devil. Unlike Moses and his followers when taken into the desert, Jesus refuses the offer for elsewhere he declares “For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?” (Mark 8:36). Set/Seth was known as the “god of the desert” (op cit., p. 113).
E. Michael Jones has described abortion as being a Jewish sacrament due to their influence in the pro death movement. Once again it seems not to be coincidence that Set/Seth is described as “the god who brings about abortion” (op cit, p. 29) . The religion of Moses certainly meant death according to the divinely sanctioned massacres and genocide described in the OT which are even used today by Jews to justify the same deeds.
So your pagan idol worshippers, who were no prudes, saw divine attributes in nature which became a medium concrete things (like Christianity it is incarnational) but because it is the LAW (Paul came from a fundamentalist Pharisee law background) which trumps conscience, (look at the pure unadulterated evil done by IS), that makes it true.Replies: @Anon, @Jack McArthur
I had more disquieting experiences before me, when as a young orientalist I found that the Egyptians had possessed a standard of morals far superior to that of the Decalogue over a thousand years before the Decalogue was written. (Dawn of Conscience)
So your pagan idol worshippers, who were no prudes, saw divine attributes in nature which became a medium concrete things (like Christianity it is incarnational) but because it is the LAW (Paul came from a fundamentalist Pharisee law background) which trumps conscience, (look at the pure unadulterated evil done by IS), that makes it true.
Came across a lecture today by Christian Egyptologist Jan Assmann who was humble enough to acknowledge that the description of statues (“idols”) and suchlike in the bible betrays a misunderstanding of what they were and their usage in the ancient world. I would put it more bluntly – the OT, and even Paul in the NT, provides no evidence that they were inspired by the very spirit of an omniscient being in their writing when they write in the style of ignorant Jews who cannot understand consecration or veneration v worship because Jeremiah wrote this or Yahweh commanded that.
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In an ideal world, American Jews would be placed on a reservation in Death Valley with a sophisticated dead man’s switch. All other Jews would be packed off to Israel and then isolated from the rest of the family of nations.
The Jordan Valley could be seen as the archetype because it ends with the Dead Sea which is the lowest point on the surface of the earth and in which nothing lives. This is strongly symbolic for those who believe in sacred geography. The Jordan river was supposed to be a life giving spiritual water for the world but how its ends physically is how it ends spiritually to any culture that allows it in i.e. the entrance to hades and death.
Take the USA and the West in general today and see how ultimately they have been “blessed” by its waters. Go back in time and see how Rome was sacked for the first time in 700 years not long after a Christian emperor banned the old religions.
In a recent post I mentioned how late in Egyptian history Set/Seth was described as the god of the Jews. Continuing with the above theme it does not seem mere coincidence that Seth is described as the "god of death" (te Velde, 1967, p. 25) and the desert is his domain - the desert in which the Moses followers encounter their god. How strange that this new religion of Moses comes not with any promise or hope in an afterlife but instead promises transient wealth confined to this world only. This echoes the descriptor of Set/Seth being the god of death, indeed an Egyptian text describes the hopeful seeker of entry into eternal life declaring "I do not die, Seth has no power over me" (op cit.) yet here we have a group of people who give up hope in eternal life for the ephemeral. Notice how when Jesus is taken into the desert to be tempted by the devil he is offered the world if he will only worship the devil. Unlike Moses and his followers when taken into the desert, Jesus refuses the offer for elsewhere he declares "For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?" (Mark 8:36). Set/Seth was known as the "god of the desert" (op cit., p. 113).E. Michael Jones has described abortion as being a Jewish sacrament due to their influence in the pro death movement. Once again it seems not to be coincidence that Set/Seth is described as "the god who brings about abortion" (op cit, p. 29) . The religion of Moses certainly meant death according to the divinely sanctioned massacres and genocide described in the OT which are even used today by Jews to justify the same deeds.The Jordan Valley could be seen as the archetype because it ends with the Dead Sea which is the lowest point on the surface of the earth and in which nothing lives. This is strongly symbolic for those who believe in sacred geography. The Jordan river was supposed to be a life giving spiritual water for the world but how its ends physically is how it ends spiritually to any culture that allows it in i.e. the entrance to hades and death.Take the USA and the West in general today and see how ultimately they have been “blessed” by its waters. Go back in time and see how Rome was sacked for the first time in 700 years not long after a Christian emperor banned the old religions.
In an ideal world, American Jews would be placed on a reservation in Death Valley with a sophisticated dead man’s switch. All other Jews would be packed off to Israel and then isolated from the rest of the family of nations.
No. What do you mean support negotiations? What are we going to negotiate about? What I would say is, ‘Listen, you see that desert out there, I want to show you something.’ You pick up your cell phone, even at traveling rates. You pick up your cell phone, and– what are they called– [Boteach: roaming charges] Roaming charges. You pick up your cell phone and you call somewhere in Nebraska and you say, ‘OK let it go.’ So there’s an atomic weapon, goes over ballistic missiles, the middle of the desert, that doesn’t hurt a soul. Maybe a couple of rattlesnakes, and scorpions, or whatever.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/10/sheldon-adelson-has-idea-lob-nuclear-bomb-iranian-desert/309657/
And then you say, ‘See! The next one is in the middle of Tehran. So, we mean business. You want to be wiped out? Go ahead and take a tough position and continue with your nuclear development. [Applause] You want to be peaceful? Just reverse it all, and we will guarantee you that you can have a nuclear power plant for electricity purposes, energy purposes.’
Tom Cruise, the big-nosed midget, is making popcorn muncher propaganda movies about bombing the crud out of Iran
Produced by Paramount which is owned (79%) by a company whose chairman was married to a rabbi and “As of January 2018, Redstone is a member of the board of directors at Combined Jewish Philanthropies”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Amusements
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shari_Redstone
Baldwin made short work of the windy founder, publisher and editor of the National Review,
Nope, Buckley soft balls him throughout. In one sense he does break down the barriers i.e. homo whites are the same spirit as homo blacks.
“Far from excluding the “Jewish question,” Hitler put it front and center. Receiving the representative of the German Bishops’ Conference, Bishop Wilhelm Berning of Osnabrück, in audience on April 26, Hitler declared: “I have been attacked because of my handling of the Jewish question. The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc., because it recognized the Jews for what they were. In the epoch of liberalism the danger was no longer recognized. I am moving back toward the time in which a fifteen-hundred-year-long tradition was implemented. I do not set race over religion, but I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the Church, and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.” The transcript that records these remarks contains no response by Bishop Berning. This is hardly surprising: for a Catholic Bishop in 1933 there was really nothing terribly objectionable in this historically correct reminder. And on this occasion, as always, Hitler was concealing his true intentions.
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2003/11/the-holocaust-what-was-not-said
He died a Catholic, maybe a liberal and awry son, but he died a Catholic according to Huber Wolf, a Catholic priest and historian.
In another interesting passage of his article Rhonheimer reacts to remarks Pius XII made on June 2, 1945 about his predecessor’s famous 1937 encyclical Mit brennender Sorge.
I am conscious of a double loyalty. I am a Catholic priest—but I come from a family that is three-quarters Jewish.
Why did Pius XII not take note in 1945 of the ‘slaughter of millions of Jews’? Was it because millions of jews had not been slain? Was it because the myth had not yet been born?Replies: @Jack McArthur
Astonishingly, there is not a single reference in this allocution [Pius XII’s remarks of 1945], delivered a month after the end of the war in Europe, to the slaughter of millions of Jews.
Anti Semitism is a survival instinct. Our ancestors had it. They were only able to survive and thrive by vomiting the jews out of 109 nations. The effete Mr. Jared Taylor no longer has this essential survival instinct. He can never lead his goyim followers out of enslavement from the Rothschild Reichs satanic usurious sorcery.
He is totally incapable of seeing the decadence that Jews have wrought upon the United States of America from the time that Americans were deceived by a Hollywood Holohoax and offered their sympathy by opening its borders to an infestation of millions of Talmudic Baphomet jews. The U.S. has been deformed into the Jewnited States where the Isramerican CONgress gives a genocidal President of Shitrahell 59 genuflection ovations.
Due to cognitive dissonance, Taylor is incapable of seeing how this demonic malignancy has psychologically deformed and deracinated this nation and E raced it’s founding race into a deformed dissolute simulacra of their former courageous and industrious selves.
Mr. Taylor bears no resemblance to our heroic ancestors. The Jews have neutered him as a useful idiot and allowed him only restricted racial liberation speech in his Amren reservation.
Neither do 97% of all Euro descended peoples. Try this out on your friends and relatives and do not be surprised at the vituperation you receive and concomitantly loss of "friendship". People would rather by comfortable and deceived, rather than exercised and bother with truth and trouble.Euro Whites have brought this upon themselves. They forcibly imported and exploited Negroes from the Stone Age in Africa, for short term gain and promotion of lavish lifestyles. They have suffered and been misused by Jews for over 2 millennia and still remain prone and servile and submissive today; outnumbered at least 50 to 1. And the acceleration started in Germany-Austria, where they were nurtured like greenhouse flowers and poisonous Deadly Nightshade, constantly consumed and masochistically enamored of sickness and pillory. "Ah, the Goy. Our cattle and sheep, chewing their cud while we encircle them and herd them for our use" - Schlomo Hyman Lipschitz. "Name The Jew", proclaims another Goy squeaky mouse. They have named themselves and etched in and branded it on the collective rear quarter and forehead of all Euro Whites. Tell me about the "Fighting Irish", and the German "Zuperman" one more time, because I am a little constipated.Similarly with the drone of Hindoo bad, aka Hindjew. I have used this for the large percentage of South Asians, who are Zero Sum low moral level bottom scrapings. But, WAIT A MINUTE MR. POST MAN:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=425GpjTSlS4Who let them in here? Upper management, members of the Global Conspriacy. What did the inducement and realization of the Superiority of the White Man express itself as? Opposition, organized resistance, demonstrations? Occupation of Congress? Picketing of the CEOs of Microsoft, etc?Here's a paradigm of "Bend over Goyer, let Hasbarah take over":Pacific, Light and Power, the public utility company of California, sought, brought over a large group of Hindoo IT techs and professionals to manage their utility. The present employees were all American citizens, and of course 90% White. Later, some would reply that they were lifelong Democrats and believed California and company officials that they would be retained. They were required to TRAIN the Hindoos in their jobs! To refuse would mean instant dismissal with no severance pay, benefits, etc. So, they did and the Hidoos took over, and they were dismissed.
Due to cognitive dissonance, Taylor is incapable of seeing how this demonic malignancy has psychologically deformed and deracinated this nation and E raced it’s founding race into a deformed dissolute simulacra of their former courageous and industrious selves.Mr. Taylor bears no resemblance to our heroic ancestors. The Jews have neutered him as a useful idiot and allowed him only restricted racial liberation speech in his Amren reservation.
I liken Anglin to the Fool in King Lear – amidst the insanity of a world gone very wrong it is left to the fool to be the source of wisdom. Indeed this era reflects the dark era of Shakespear’s plays when evil appears to be all powerful – a Calvary for anyone who values truth and goodness.
Eliot in the Wasteland observed “I had not thought death had undone so many” (youngsters today might not realise that Eliot was hugely influential in mainstream literature until the Jews gained total and absolute control of the West in recent decades – he recognised the Jews for what they were and has now been cancelled) but spiritual death is the norm today.
There is a famous text in Ancient Egyptian literature which predates the “to be or not be” soliloquy of Hamlet. Hamlet, from a traditional Christian, Catholic, background suggests that it might only make things worse by choosing deliberately the exit door to this life (which was carried over into Islam). Despite the best efforts of woke homosexual academics today (who have to suppress the explicit warnings about sodomy in Ancient Egyptian texts) the traditional interpretation of that text, which predates the birth of Jesus by almost 2,000 years, seems to indicate that whilst not desirable it is excusable and the person will retain what Jews do not have in this life – a conscience or soul.
1983 was the first suicide bombing in the Muslim world. Hardly a long-standing Islamic tradition.
(which was carried over into Islam)
Like Saul Alinsky (who???), said the goal and motive in all political endeavors is POWER. Start and finish. A turd is a turd, from wither coming from whatever.
I recently posted a comment on Karl Marx and satantic references in his early poetry. Your comment reminded me of what Saul Alinsky also wrote in “Rules for Radicals” on page normally used for dedications:
“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/20/hillary-clinton-saul-alinsky-and-lucifer-explained/
The cult of the Jonestown massacre killed more but not as many as Christianity, Islam or Judaism.
Violence comes through what seems a fault line (natural to some) in human beings which Christians say is a side effect of original sin i.e. there was once a state of harmony when there was no suffering (“when the thorn did not sting” in an Ancient Egyptian text). Religious based violence is not exclusively a monotheistic phenomena . When monotheism first appears in history (in the opinion of many, the short lived Amarna period in Ancient Egypt), it is associated with violence. Nevertheless, it seems hugely magnified in the Abrahamic religions in which divinely sanctioned massacres are baked into the earliest texts.
Those earliest texts are considered by many to be the very or inspired word of god, the inerrant and infallible truth which must be implemented wherever possible because error has no rights. This added a new layer to mankinds excuse for hating their neighbor, coveting their goods and control freakery.
Dogmatic driven violence appears under the cloak of atheism as well and maybe it is no coincidence that such a fundamentalist mindset has many connections to a Jewish ancestry. The person can wear a new hat but the head remains the same when they switch from fundamentalist religious beliefs to fundamentalist atheistic beliefs and vice versa.
Anglin recently published an article which, amidst his usual wicked comedy, made comparisons between Trump and the anti-Christ passages in the Book of Revelation .
https://www.unz.com/aanglin/room-elephant-evangelical-christians-described-the-antichrist-as-getting-shot-in-public-and-saved-by-a-miracle/
Satan is the Christian embodiment of evil and in the above context, when his powers appear to be reaching their zenith in this theatre of the absurd, he boasts of his command over the multitude, “laughing with delight”, by making them NOT hear, NOT see what his servant says or does very publically. In this scenario the West is almost entirely under the control of the principle of evil – possessed – and it will take the source of all goodness to “break that Satan’s spell” in Anglin’s theology (I think)
Video Link
I just checked with an online audio to text transcriber (Youtube subtitiles can be edited by the uploader) and this is what is obtained:
[00:00:30.09]
My beautiful Christians,
[00:00:31.12]
[00:00:31.13]
I love you Christians.
[00:00:32.13]
[00:00:32.14]
I’m not Christian.
[00:00:33.15]
[00:00:33.19]
I love you.
[00:00:34.14]
Please go ahead and try to satisfy yourself that it is not a figment of my imagination. I wonder if people are listening on phones whereas I am listening on a pc with decent headphones and there is no doubt what he is saying and the audio to text transcriber has no problems detecting it either. I thought maybe it was a slip of the tongue but his head shaking (in a no-no manner) confirms the voice.
Joseph Goebell’s after hearing about AH and then reading “My Struggle” wrote in his dairy “Who is this man. Half plebeian, half God. Is he Jesus Christ himself or just Saint John [the Baptist presumably]”. (p. 33. Goebbels Mastermind of the Third Reich, Irving)
Sorry, I don’t hear any mumbling it seems clear to me on my computer and note that he shakes his head at the same point adding a physical expression to what he is saying. The listener can make up their own mind.
The second video is repeated by other broadcast channels (49:14)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J0fUTiJLVc
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You all will burn in hell for your lies.
Especially ugly Ronnie, who apparently is so angry (and rightfully so) that he is the living embodiment of a Der Sturmer caricature that he vilifies the imaginary monolith called “The Jews” with all the energy his sad little Daddy Issues-muddled brain can muster.
Too bad truth isn’t something you actually value. Only hate.
Too bad you write in the style you attribute to your enemies, therefore you have the same ticket to the same place you send them if we follow your own logic.
Adolf Hitler had some remarkable escapes from death so much so that historians have called it the “the luck of the devil”.
https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/56788/luck-of-the-devil-by-ian-kershaw/9780141924281
Trump slipped into a recent speech that though loving Christians he was not a Christian (32 secs)

In another recent speech he also slipped in very quickly “I don’t care about you. I just want your vote. I don’t care.”

Here is a song for the wicked comic sage (play it loud):

That theme of Hitler being evil pales in comparison to the current crop of leaders, who have already marked several billion souls for culling by vaxx and war.
Adolf Hitler had some remarkable escapes from death so much so that historians have called it the “the luck of the devil”.
TBH I can’t make sense of any of this, anymore.
I mentioned in a recent post how Set/Seth was described as the god of the Jews late in Ancient Egyptian history. One of the main academic works on him is by te Velde : “Seth, God of Confusion”.
https://brill.com/display/title/6382?language=en
The two converge in this case. Even if a person chooses what seems to be a materialistic solution for all the events which are the routine subject matter on UR, a matrix like knowledge, then they may also note two things – the events which pour out non stop into the claimed sim are uniformly bad as a first approximation and this gives away the attributes of the sim programmer i.e. evil.
But if unquestionably, from the perspective of the average UR commentator, this is so then it is evidence of something innate which opposes that evil and which is good. Sure people may argue about the malleability of human perception of what is good and evil but in this very heightened state of awareness, acutely aware through the daily torrent of suffering in which the said evil seems unconstrained, it is hard not recognize there is good and there is evil and no amount of shifting the context into a sim world can detract from that. The sim world scenario is itself an evil concept designed to cause suffering and is opposed to the good.
You are not living in the same simulation the rest of us are.
For dust you are and to dust you shall return.
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Eternal rest grant unto her, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon her.
May her soul and the souls of all the faithful departed, through the mercy of God,
rest in peace.
Amen.
consider this,
That, in the course of justice, none of us
Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;
And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
The deeds of mercy
So the Jews literally create our reality through the media, tell it to our faces with films like The Matrix (revelation of the method), but when we take the red pill and think we "got it", then the Jews come back to us and reveal something else: "but that's not all you get... there's more!" Sounds like a Ginsu knife commercial: "But wait... there's still more! "
once we successfully pierce some of the false narratives constructed by our dishonest media we should always consider the possibility that we are still trapped within another such layer of narrative, much deeper but equally false, and use the power of analogy as a tool to unravel those illusions.
Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mosafer Hastam, @Jack McArthur
Douglas Hall: It’s all smoke and mirrors, just like your world, Ashton. We’re nothing but a simulation on some computer.
...Ashton: So what are you saying? You saying that there’s a, another world on top of this one?
Douglas Hall: That’s right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eI6YLsOmUA&t=904s
So the Jews literally create our reality through the media, tell it to our faces with films like The Matrix (revelation of the method), but when we take the red pill and think we “got it”, then the Jews come back to us and reveal something else: “but that’s not all you get… there’s more!”
LOL, the bad dream like quality continues because the “more!” in another twist is that Ron is a Jew.
In the 1950’s, the Communists were organizing show trials in newly communist countries, like Hungary, Czechoslovakia or Poland. The usual charge was “collaboration with western imperialists” or “bourgeois opportunism”. Now, they just say that you work for/with Russia.
That judge is the lowest form of human, along with the propagandists who call themselves journalists.
The protesters are focusing on the wrong targets.
Exactly. If they haven't begun killing government officials by now (they haven't), they have already lost and will be certain to all be killed in prison and replaced with nonwhites. It's not difficult to understand.
The protesters are focusing on the wrong targets.
Kevin, It is maybe a mixed blessing but if you pass a masjid with the crescent moon atop it can be seen as a symbol of hope because the crescent moon is the hieroglyph of the King of Egypt who evicted the tribe (according to ancients sources) when all seemed lost – they had done what they have done throughout history to any host nation. I don’t have to explain to a Muslim the mixed blessing.
The Aiparu had prices but no value. Think of it like a video game, where they plugged in and level upped, gaining power.
I noted that this very unusual behavior by Jewish Israelis seemed best explained by the underlying religious and ideological characteristics of traditional Judaism, which for nearly two thousand years has regarded all non-Jews as totally sub-human, whose only value is to serve as Jewish slaves:
Seen this way, Karl Marx was an anti-Semite, as he promoted classical economy (which includes value theory) as did Hitler.
In the chapter entitled “My Soul is Chosen for Hell,” Kengor provides excerpts from the demonic poetry and prose of Marx—written several years before his Communist Manifesto (1848)—in which he waxed poetic about “the hellish vapors that rise and fill the brain, Till I go mad and my heart is utterly changed. See this sword? The Prince of Darkness sold to me. For me he beats the time and gives the signs. Ever more boldly I play the dance of death.” Remarking on that poem, entitled “The Player,” Kengor notes, “The blood violinist is not destroying the world because he hates it, but is doing so in order to spite God, out of derision and mockery against the Creator. He is a rebel, like Satan, the ultimate rebel against God and Heaven.” Marxism does the same by destroying the world as it exists, creating a new world in which God is destroyed and man is elevated.
The antipathy toward religion for Marx emerged in college. Marx’s family was originally Jewish—with several rabbis in the family from the nineteenth century back to at least the late seventeenth century. But, under the social pressures of the times, Marx’s father left Judaism and converted to Protestantism and had all of his children baptized in the Christian faith. However, by age twenty-three Marx was an atheist—and was beginning to write approvingly of those who denigrated religion. He wrote his dissertation about the ancient Roman philosopher Lucretius (d. 94 BC) who condemned “the burden of oppressive religion,” suggesting that “Religion lies at our feet, completely defeated.”
In a rejection of his own family heritage, Marx held great contempt toward all Jews. Kengor points out that Marx, in one of his letters to a friend, wrote that the “Israelite faith is repulsive to me.” https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2020/08/17/a-disturbing-guide-to-the-devilish-karl-marx/
Maybe the Matrix is a version of Xenaphones horses argument in which people in the age of computer programming project themselves and limitations into the Great Computer but load it with ludicrous limitations such as human batteries/neural networks. That is not to deny we appear to be living in a nightmare at present but there is a difference between “I think, therefore I am” and “I am , therefore I think” and a metaphysical explanation maybe inclines more to the good rather than the Matrix which to a skeptic cannot be proved either.
Fran above says he suffers from mental health issues (those comments about Gaza are not his normal style)
https://poets.org/poem/merchant-venice-act-iv-scene-i-quality-mercy-not-strained
Maybe if he could promise to use only one handle with no limits…. but maybe Ron knows a lot more than we do and has good reasons not excuse when he is having bad time of it.
And to be a Christian has even morphed into worshipping J's. How did "Salvation comes from the J's" sneak itself into Christian scriptures when Christianity is about "salvation is from Christ"?? But Christians do not realize their scriptures have been altered and see no contradiction.Replies: @Tallest Skil, @Jack McArthur, @Event Horizon, @Katrinka
Every single candidate worships the jews.
And to be a Christian has even morphed into worshipping J’s. How did “Salvation comes from the J’s” sneak itself into Christian scriptures when Christianity is about “salvation is from Christ”?? But Christians do not realize their scriptures have been altered and see no contradiction.
Exactly, especially since eternal life was never part of the Sinai covenant. That whole passage reads like a Judaizing insert. The line which appears in the Ancient Egyptian text is “The majesty of Horus lives as the King, salvation and health are with him”. For Christians Jesus is the divine King in whom there is salvation – not Jews or Judaism, their flag, their donations, their media, their blackmail or their bribes even though modern Christianity gives that appearance.
It should read 2000 bc. The 1130CT is a reference to the hieroglyphic source text. It depends what you mean by “great”. If you mean by number or influence then no. If you mean by ethical norms yes but that depends on the rule of measure applied. I would not class modern Judaism, Islamic State and derivatives as being “great”.
Lord Beaverbrook on meeting Robert Kennedy in 1948:
Beaverbrook said that the United States was a “subjugated
nation to a Jewish minority.” As for Britain, it had become “a
satellite to the United States.” He said he did not like the
British (he was, of course, a Canadian), but he gave them
full credit for “the two great attributes of tolerance and
bravery.” Roman Catholicism, Beaverbrook added, was “the
great hope of mankind because of its organizational ability
and its great leaders…Spellman and Griffiths he probably
meant Cardinal Bernard Griffin] for example.”Robert Kennedy and His Times”,
The RCC folded like the rest of Christianity and it too became merely a tool for the tribe. Ezra Pound said something about democracy = rule by Jews but the same can be applied even more so to Christianity. As an aside Bobby Fischer, the US world chess champion, said that the only hope in this war by the spirit of Talmudic Jewry against the world was similar to Beaverbrook. It was the RCC who buried him when he had been ostracised by the Jewish controlled media and his own country. His practice partner during the World Chess championships was a RCC priest. I don’t blame young people today thinking that you have to be real dumbass to believe anything the current Pope or a whole host of money worshipping charalatans waving star of davids and rainbow flags speak but it wasn’t always like this.
It’s all truly and completely a f**king nightmare, isn’t it? I believe I’m awake and what I experience can’t be a terrible dream. It’s too sustained to be a dream. I feel physical sensations, touch, cold, heat etc., that have never been part of the dream experience.
Lil Pump is going to perform at an upcoming rally for popular game show host Donald Trump, who is currently running for president of Israel.
Yep.
You could try the movie “Devil’s Advocate” or a more long winded “Lost” TV series (which provides a happy ending) or the movie about a town called “Purgatory” – an unusually good Sam Shephard TV movie from 1999. It was called Flame Island in Ancient Egypt which was kind of similar to purgatory but it can still go wrong if the person continues to do bad but leads to eternal life if the person hangs on to the good.
@ man of many names.
RU is patient in allowing you to post threats towards him even of the metaphysical kind – the common response of people of the book whether it be invoking heresy, blasphemy, sins against the holy spirit, etc, if they are not getting their way. The symbolic curtain came down on the classical world with the barbaric death given to Hypatia because of such fanatics.
I hesitate to post here the passages to which Paul is referring because nut jobs could use them as they have done in recent years to blow up Catholic Churches with their congregation because people who live by law robotically, and not by spirit or conscience, think that god is as evil as they are.
One of the earliest surviving Christian texts describes abortion being anti-Christian ( Shepherd of Hermas) but you preached not only abortion but euthanasia of people you do not like under one of your other names on UR – as I wrote at the time your name is Legion.
If you want me to proof text the passages regarding the end of the world I can do so and maybe I could also do a much better job than you of explaining away what happened using one old testament text (which Jesus himself uses), and two Ancient Egyptian texts, one of which the author of the gospels seems inspired to know since the earliest surviving example is more than 2,000 years before the birth of Jesus.
Any Muslim who says Jesus is a false prophet is no longer a Muslim for that is an essential part of their faith contained in the the Quran. If Jesus is a false prophet then so is their prophet because he taught the opposite.
Keep posting about idol worship and keep expecting to be replied in kind but maybe me earliest suspicion of you is correct i.e. you are indeed Legion.
translates world without end into Hebrew as leolamay olamim amen
Glory be to the Father
and to the Son
and to the Holy Spirit,
as it was in the beginning
is now, and ever shall be
world without end. Amen.
Psalm 118
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/psa/118/1/t_conc_596001
O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: because his mercy endureth for ever.
118:1 הוֹדוּ לַיהוָה כִּי־ טוֹב כִּי לְעוֹלָם חַסְדּוֹ׃
HODU LADONAI KI TOV KI LE'OLAM CHASDO
B. I don't know about multiple beings. There are different words for Deity expressing different attributes. No different than the Trinity doing the same thing.
Strong's Concordance:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h5769/kjv/wlc/0-1/
עוֹלָם ʻôwlâm, o-lawm'; or עֹלָם ʻôlâm; from H5956; properly, concealed, i.e. the vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future), i.e. (practically) eternity; frequentatively, adverbial (especially with prepositional prefix) always:—alway(-s), ancient (time), any more, continuance, eternal, (for, (n-)) ever(-lasting, -more, of old), lasting, long (time), (of) old (time), perpetual, at any time, (beginning of the) world (+ without end). Compare H5331, H5703.
1 Corinthians 15:
https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/8-6.htm
…5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many so-called gods and lords), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist. 7But not everyone has this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that they eat such food as if it were sacrificed to an idol. And since their conscience is weak, it is defiled.…
Romans 1:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2015
20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
C. As for the collective punishment meted out to European Jewry you seem to countenance, consider the case of Dutch Evangelist Corrie ten Boom:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%201&version=NKJV
God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Paul also believe the return of Jesus was imminent, which indirectly confirms the words the gospels attributed to Jesus that he would return in the lifetime of his listeners and bring the curtain down on this world but it did not happen. https://www.quora.com/Paul-made-it-quite-clear-that-he-expected-the-end-times-to-be-fulfilled-in-his-own-lifetime-If-his-writings-are-infallable-how-do-we-reconcile-his-mistaken-expectation-and-what-does-that-mean-for-the-accuracy-of-his.
” I tell you, brothers, the time is running out. From now on, let those having wives act as not having them” (1 Cor 7:29)
As for the worship of god involving statues resulting in awry passions all I can say is that Abraham is described in Islamic texts as smashing idols but in the Bible the story is extended and he tries to pimp his wife to the Pharaoh who is shocked at his behaviour (Genesis 12:10-20). I could go but does a rabbi still own porn hub? Even Paul himself says that he suffered from an unspecified thorn in the flesh which many will se as a euphemism. You who preach against the idol worshippers also preached abortion and euthanasia. Recall the NS Aktion T4 in the 30’s.?
The newspapers are always trying to hide the ethnicity of the gangs who prey on white women in English cities but they too have like you strict rules about the so called idols.


They think alcohol is a great evil and not to be touched but sell it without qualms to others.
Breasted, the founder of modern Egyptology in the US had designs as a young on entering the Christian ministry but as he noted:
I had more disquieting experiences before me, when as a young orientalist I found that the Egyptians had possessed a standard of morals far superior to that of the Decalogue over a thousand years before the Decalogue was written. (Dawn of Conscience)
So your pagan idol worshippers, who were no prudes, saw divine attributes in nature which became a medium concrete things (like Christianity it is incarnational) but because it is the LAW (Paul came from a fundamentalist Pharisee law background) which trumps conscience, (look at the pure unadulterated evil done by IS), that makes it true.
Came across a lecture today by Christian Egyptologist Jan Assmann who was humble enough to acknowledge that the description of statues ("idols") and suchlike in the bible betrays a misunderstanding of what they were and their usage in the ancient world. I would put it more bluntly - the OT, and even Paul in the NT, provides no evidence that they were inspired by the very spirit of an omniscient being in their writing when they write in the style of ignorant Jews who cannot understand consecration or veneration v worship because Jeremiah wrote this or Yahweh commanded that.
So your pagan idol worshippers, who were no prudes, saw divine attributes in nature which became a medium concrete things (like Christianity it is incarnational) but because it is the LAW (Paul came from a fundamentalist Pharisee law background) which trumps conscience, (look at the pure unadulterated evil done by IS), that makes it true.
I think the real meaning of “sins of the father” is that everyone does indeed suffer when they are ruled by a “father” who is ill equipped to lead; if a man gambles away his livelihood and defaults on his mortgage, his children indeed suffer for his sin, so on.
This seems a very reasonable pov and would come under the heading sebayt literature but the biblical text describes it as their god actively doing it “I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations “. It could be argued that he withholds grace but being omnipotent that seems unjust to the children.
A Jew published a book some years ago saying that Jews had placed such an inter-generational curse text on the family of Joe Kennedy and hence all the bad things which have happened since. As an aside a “jealous god” also makes an appearance in Ancient Egyptian texts and is known as Set/Seth and late in Egyptian history he is equated with the god of the Jews as mentioned in an earlier comment.
There Is Something Rotten in Washington
Brings to mind the old journalistic aphorism that “man bites dog is news, dog bites man isn’t”.
Not only do the agencies of the Israel Lobby throughout the West not get treated as organizations that should be registered because they push the agendas of a foreign government, Israel. Many of these agencies are registered as benign charities that regularly push for the professional destruction of their targets. Scott Ritter and Tulsi Gabbard, who are being persecuted and set up for prosecution, are part of a long line up of targeted people who maintained independent perspectives on the world. How many tax write offs go to funding malicious persecutions and prosecutions of those that attempt to do their part in defending against the kind of abominations now on full display in the genocidal partnership linking the Zionist leadership of Israel and the USA?
The zeal of converts is proverbial but what you describe would be understood in the ancient world as “ancestral spirit” taking up home through an open door even though the person be an atheist (in its modern usage). Religious converts commonly describe a feeling of being at home and the fount of all truth, especially in one-god-ism faiths, which can turn bad and violent sometimes. “Careful with that axe, Eugene/Ahmed”.
JFK in “Profiles in Courage” (pub. 1956) mentions “gas chambers” in the Robert A. Taft chapter (p. 240).
Show me the original NASA video links. Reflections can be caused by the camera being used behind glass – i.e. in a space vehicle. It can also be caused by somebody deliberately recording in low quality through playback on a TV/monitor screen which is reflective i.e. it captures not just the source video but movement within the room and who then uploads in low definition mode to the internet.
The response was perfectly pertinent and it's very imprudent of you to try to choke off the light of God illuminating these discussions. You will see that it will not go well for you.Jack McArthur posted information common to Jewish and Muslim opponents of Christianity attempting to portray Jesus and Paul as false prophets at best or as liars and deceivers at worst. I provided a succinct refutation of that position. Why do you permit darkness to penetrate your website while actively opposing the spreading of light?Hoping your conscience has been pricked I will repost my response to McArthur:
I am familiar with this claim of both Jews and Muslims to invalidate the New Testament. The Jews go further and say that this "unfulfilled" prophecy proves that Jesus was a false prophet worthy of death.However I think there's a very simple explanation: the end of the age refers to the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in 70 AD by the Romans. That was a truly apocalyptic event for the Jews. Note that the New Testament is like a Greek or Shakesperian tragedy in which all the protagonists die tragic deaths (even Judas iscariot). Jesus of course plus all the apostles, including Paul who was beheaded in Rome. Jerusalem was destroyed in fire and so was Rome a few years earlier. According to Josephus one million Jews died in the Roman assault on Jerusalem. Many others were taken captive. I think it's perfectly legitimate to understand that the expectation of the end or the eschaton by Jesus and Paul refers to this event.The Jews do a similar thing when Jesus points to the Jerusalem Temple and tells his disciples that not one stone will be left upon another. Jewish anti-missionaries point to the Western Wall as repudiation of another prophecy of Jesus. But the Western Wall was not part of the Temple proper; it was an outer retaining wall. I think this kind of disputation against the credibility of the New Testament is a good example of straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel.Maybe some devout Catholics like Al Ligouri could provide some perspective. But in my humble opinion Jesus did return in 70 AD to render judgment on both Jerusalem and Rome that had executed him unjustly. All other claims are simply missing the forest for the trees.This book by an American Orthodox Jewish rabbi portrays both Jesus and Paul as legitimate Jewish saints who were trying to stave off the destruction of Jerusalem and the nation. He argues that the main point of Jesus and Paul was to tear down the animosity between Jews and Gentiles and particularly by Jews against Gentiles:
Paul also believe[d] the return of Jesus was imminent, which indirectly confirms the words the gospels attributed to Jesus that he would return in the lifetime of his listeners and bring the curtain down on this world but it did not happen.
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Pharisee-New-Look-Jewishness/dp/1592443133The book was published by the Catholic publishing company Paulist Press. The author died a suspicious death shortly after it was published to the horror and disapproval of most Orthodox Jews, who are loathe to say anything positive about Jesus or Christianity.Respectfully, Michael Korn
Phones should have never been made portable to begin with, and especially ones with an internet connection (burn in hell steve jobs).
Giving internet capability to billions of 90IQ scum — and that includes most whites — was the beginning of all the true madness happening out there: instagram whores, flash mobs, color revolutions, kids eating tide pods. You name it. The whole shit show.
And if you’re reading this from your phone, fuck you.
This is where you go wrong. The "many" you reference was only a small number. That is why no one in Washington DC paid any attention to you and them.
"Many ordinary, decent Americans have called for an end to the ongoing slaughter over the past six months, but the powers-that-be in the Democratic Party (such as Barack Obama) didn’t care about any of that. Nor about democracy. Nor about the preservation of innocent lives… "
It is hard to silence the voice of conscience no matter the barriers that can be erected to keep out the light so whilst the earlier texts do indeed read as demonic e.g. visiting the sins on to the 3rd or 4th generations nevertheless the later texts seem to teach something different. Judaism doesn’t do forgiveness very well as Shakespeare recognises in the famous speech of Portia in the Merchant of Venice.
Ezekiel 18:20
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
p.s. I thank the source of all goodness sincerely for your presence on UR. You truly are a gift – an education – who gives us the Jewish ancestral spirit without deceit.

The statement, of itself, remains insufficient as a means of divesting Ishmael of his inheritance rights, at least when considering the totality of content in Genesis. Given the well established biblical position that inheritance rights of the first born are to be honored irrespective of a wife's personal standing [Deut. 21: 15-17], the effort to denigrate Hagar as a woman of 'inferior status' becomes awkward when considering the multitude of biblical verses in which all descendants of Abraham, including those of Ishmael, are favored by God's promise.Significantly, the promise of Gen. 12: 2-3 was reaffirmed on the heels of Ishmael's birth [Gen 17: 4], four chapters before the birth of Isaac in Genesis 21, and in the 13th and 18th verses of Gen. 21, God is said to explicitly prophesy that Ishmael's descendants will become a 'great nation', which actually happened.Moreover, there is a glaring contradiction between Gen. 22: 2, in which God is purported to call Isaac Abraham's 'only son' and Gen. 16: 15, where Ishmael is clearly described as a son of Abraham. While reference to the 'covenant' appears exclusive to Isaac [Gen 17: 19], a good deal of interfaith contention arises over the precise meaning of this term. To Jews, it is God's promise of eternal favor upon them. To Christians, fulfillment thereof depends upon Jewish acknowledgement of Jesus as their lord and savior. To Muslims, fulfillment thereof depends upon Jewish obedience to God's Law, which requires their recognition of the Messenger of the Covenant [Gen. 49: 10], explicitly named in Song of Songs 15: 6. As such, it's a Jewish distinction, but one conditioned by Jewish obligation to fulfill God's terms therein.Most importantly, that distinction does not deprive Ishmael's progeny of the favor God promised to Abraham.I'm familiar with Jochen Katz's website, to which Michael Korn links. Went there many years ago. Personally, I don't find his arguments persuasive, though I'm not inclined to delve further into any one of his many claims for the time being.The 'ark of salvation' article link needed correction? Strange. It worked fine for me.It's preface is egregiously polemic, I agree, yet the analysis remains academically sound. It takes thick skin for people of faith to engage in this kind of discussion, since it unavoidably requires challenging deeply held convictions. Best to be as clinical as possible, avoiding emotive interjection to the extent one can, though it's likely impossible to avoid some measure of opinionated expression, however subtle.Thank you once again for the time and consideration you've given here. Much appreciated.Replies: @muh muh, @Jack McArthur
Using search AI “In ancient Mesopotamian and Egyptian societies, there were various rankings of wives, with a primary wife (usually the first wife) holding superior status. Hagar, as a secondary wife or concubine, would have had an inferior status to Sarah.”
My understanding of why Isaac is the only son is echoed by Paul:
Gal 4:22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.
A while back, when I believed “the book” was the word of god, I too accepted that the kindly promise given to Hagar and Ishmael (maybe born of impatience of Sarah – surrogacy appears in Ancient Egypt), relating to a “great nation” to come, was made actual with the Arabs and Islam, but scripture tends to be too accommodating and vague such that it allows a flourishing industry in claimed prophecy fulfilment.
If it is the same omnipotent god in all three religions – Judaism, Christianity and Islam – then that omnipotence is negated by the fact of their being three religions and what they have done to each other. The link given to the Ark website doesn’t fill me confidence as being an expert and reliable source based on the burb for his book “Whoever You Thought You Were…You’re A Jew!” no matter how well intentioned https://www.amazon.com/dp/0692252886 I am not a Jew nor a person of the book.
I believe there is a very strong spiritual presence in all three religions and that their respective books can be mediums for each spirit however, they are not reconcilable and I no longer believe that the source of all goodness I still hope in ever sanctioned that.
This is my way of exiting as I have no mind for apologetics or being sucked into defending what I no longer believe. Thanks again for the polite exchange.
Take away these religions and our species would continue to be the ever rapacious, feral predatory omnivore it's always been, if not more so.
If it is the same omnipotent god in all three religions – Judaism, Christianity and Islam – then that omnipotence is negated by the fact of their being three religions and what they have done to each other.
This is a detailed verse by verse comparison of the text of the Quran with the Bible. Perhaps it will be of use to you.Replies: @Jack McArthur
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cPoL0_rwHWUKVZdkgt693QAy2X8EhZrK/view?usp=drivesdk
This is a detailed verse by verse comparison of the text of the Quran with the Bible. Perhaps it will be of use to you.
You are welcome to comment on the civil exchange above regarding Ishmael etc. as I have no qualifications to dispute what the original Hebrew or classical Arabic text says compared to scholarly English translations.
The Hyksos worshipped a form of Set in a monolatric way, proto monotheists. The Temple of Set claims that he is the only true god. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_SetReplies: @Jack McArthur
"Seth, or Set, Ancient Egyptian god and patron of the 11th nome, or province, of Upper Egypt. A trickster, he was a sky god, lord of the desert, and master of storms, disorder, and warfare. He was the brother of Osiris, whom he killed, and he was antagonistic to Horus, the child of Osiris’s sister, Isis. Seth’s cult largely died out in the 1st millennium bc, and he was gradually ousted from the Egyptian pantheon. He was later regarded as entirely evil and identified as a god of the Persians and other invaders of Egypt". (Britannica)
“We sent Our messengers with clear signs, the Scripture and the Balance, so that people could uphold justice: We also sent iron, with its mighty strength and many uses for mankind,so that God could mark out those who would help Him” (57:25)
One of the most famous scenes in Ancient Egyptian iconography/papyri is that of the balance in the Hall of Justice (Maat), which describes how the righteous enter into eternal life after their deeds are weighed in the balance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maat#Afterlife
Interestingly, the reference to iron in this context means something definite whereas it is not so clear to me what the marking out means within the confines of Quran (in Egypt it is the instrument which opens the mouth of the righteous when entering eternal life.) Set/Seth is explicitly associated with iron in Ancient Egyptian texts as mentioned in the previous comment along with allusions to his mighty strength. Furthermore, and most unusually, he is also called the Lord of Maat (Justice) in a variant of an important later text (17BDROF). The popular press are often running stories of lusty Muslims at work with non Muslim women and lust certainly is a characteristic of Seth in Ancient Egyptian texts as are some other attributes of Ishmael in the biblical text as mentioned in the previous post (p. 20, hieratic p. BM, p. 20)
Using search AI “In ancient Mesopotamian and Egyptian societies, there were various rankings of wives, with a primary wife (usually the first wife) holding superior status. Hagar, as a secondary wife or concubine, would have had an inferior status to Sarah.”
I don’t know enough about Hebrew practice but what is said about Egypt in the above is true and I can cite multiple primary sources. As it happens there is a “Michael Korn” posting above who comes from a Jewish religious background and maybe he can comment on this point as well as wild ass of man descriptor re Ishmael as I have no expertise in classical Arabic or Hebrew. The corrected link https://www.ark-of-salvation.org/wild_ass_2003.htm#is_ishmael
Thanks for the link to claimed connections between Islam and the bible – the other one I did not like through the sarcasm and malice it seemed to contain.
The statement, of itself, remains insufficient as a means of divesting Ishmael of his inheritance rights, at least when considering the totality of content in Genesis. Given the well established biblical position that inheritance rights of the first born are to be honored irrespective of a wife's personal standing [Deut. 21: 15-17], the effort to denigrate Hagar as a woman of 'inferior status' becomes awkward when considering the multitude of biblical verses in which all descendants of Abraham, including those of Ishmael, are favored by God's promise.Significantly, the promise of Gen. 12: 2-3 was reaffirmed on the heels of Ishmael's birth [Gen 17: 4], four chapters before the birth of Isaac in Genesis 21, and in the 13th and 18th verses of Gen. 21, God is said to explicitly prophesy that Ishmael's descendants will become a 'great nation', which actually happened.Moreover, there is a glaring contradiction between Gen. 22: 2, in which God is purported to call Isaac Abraham's 'only son' and Gen. 16: 15, where Ishmael is clearly described as a son of Abraham. While reference to the 'covenant' appears exclusive to Isaac [Gen 17: 19], a good deal of interfaith contention arises over the precise meaning of this term. To Jews, it is God's promise of eternal favor upon them. To Christians, fulfillment thereof depends upon Jewish acknowledgement of Jesus as their lord and savior. To Muslims, fulfillment thereof depends upon Jewish obedience to God's Law, which requires their recognition of the Messenger of the Covenant [Gen. 49: 10], explicitly named in Song of Songs 15: 6. As such, it's a Jewish distinction, but one conditioned by Jewish obligation to fulfill God's terms therein.Most importantly, that distinction does not deprive Ishmael's progeny of the favor God promised to Abraham.I'm familiar with Jochen Katz's website, to which Michael Korn links. Went there many years ago. Personally, I don't find his arguments persuasive, though I'm not inclined to delve further into any one of his many claims for the time being.The 'ark of salvation' article link needed correction? Strange. It worked fine for me.It's preface is egregiously polemic, I agree, yet the analysis remains academically sound. It takes thick skin for people of faith to engage in this kind of discussion, since it unavoidably requires challenging deeply held convictions. Best to be as clinical as possible, avoiding emotive interjection to the extent one can, though it's likely impossible to avoid some measure of opinionated expression, however subtle.Thank you once again for the time and consideration you've given here. Much appreciated.Replies: @muh muh, @Jack McArthur
Using search AI “In ancient Mesopotamian and Egyptian societies, there were various rankings of wives, with a primary wife (usually the first wife) holding superior status. Hagar, as a secondary wife or concubine, would have had an inferior status to Sarah.”
“Seth, or Set, Ancient Egyptian god and patron of the 11th nome, or province, of Upper Egypt. A trickster, he was a sky god, lord of the desert, and master of storms, disorder, and warfare. He was the brother of Osiris, whom he killed, and he was antagonistic to Horus, the child of Osiris’s sister, Isis. Seth’s cult largely died out in the 1st millennium bc, and he was gradually ousted from the Egyptian pantheon. He was later regarded as entirely evil and identified as a god of the Persians and other invaders of Egypt”. (Britannica)
The Hyksos worshipped a form of Set in a monolatric way, proto monotheists. The Temple of Set claims that he is the only true god. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Set
One of the most famous scenes in Ancient Egyptian iconography/papyri is that of the balance in the Hall of Justice (Maat), which describes how the righteous enter into eternal life after their deeds are weighed in the balance.
"We sent Our messengers with clear signs, the Scripture and the Balance, so that people could uphold justice: We also sent iron, with its mighty strength and many uses for mankind,so that God could mark out those who would help Him" (57:25)
The meaning of Isaac name is commonly linked to Sarah who laughed when told that the very long awaited son would be given due to her advanced age – for Jews and Christians another example of how a whole stream of incidentals supports their texts.
The anachronistic use of Pharaoh (per aha in Egyptian) is also subject to dispute between Christians and Muslims but that is not the point at hand – it seems inconceivable that the name of such an important figure in the Exodus story should be omitted if known (the divine author is omniscient in Muslim and Jewish belief) and this is especially so in the bible which does name other pharaohs but not the most important one of all.
There is a most curious appearance in an ancient Egyptian text c. 2000 which recalls Quranic passages which mention the “outcast” (81:25/576) , Gabriel who spans the horizon (81:22/576) , who is of great strength (81:20/631), and the association with iron “with its mighty strength” (57:25/21pt) who is Seth/Set in the Egyptian /texts. The latter is sometimes described as the original trickster god who in the late period of Ancient Egyptian history becomes a kind of proto Satan in the eyes of some – indeed I gather the Temple of Set today teaches that Satan is really Set.
As an aside late in Egyptian history there is an surviving oracle of Isis which says the god of the Jews was really Set and they must be evicted (as once the Hyksos were in the only Exodus know to history and archeology). In the gospels Jesus tells the Jews their father is the devil which some may find resonates with the above..
Earlier in Egyptian history, although always an ambiguous figure, Set is reconciled in and through the Horus King (Egypt was not dualistic).
The Hyksos worshipped a form of Set in a monolatric way, proto monotheists. The Temple of Set claims that he is the only true god. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_SetReplies: @Jack McArthur
"Seth, or Set, Ancient Egyptian god and patron of the 11th nome, or province, of Upper Egypt. A trickster, he was a sky god, lord of the desert, and master of storms, disorder, and warfare. He was the brother of Osiris, whom he killed, and he was antagonistic to Horus, the child of Osiris’s sister, Isis. Seth’s cult largely died out in the 1st millennium bc, and he was gradually ousted from the Egyptian pantheon. He was later regarded as entirely evil and identified as a god of the Persians and other invaders of Egypt". (Britannica)
I don't see why. 'And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these lands; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed' ~ Genesis 26: 4First of all, there simply haven't been that many Jews on earth to use this kind of language in reference to them. Second, 'these lands' is in reference to the Promised Land delineated between the Nile and Euphrates Rivers, and at no point in Jewish history do we find fulfillment of this prophecy; yet through the descendants of Ishmael, we do.
I have no horse in this race but Isaac is the only one that makes sense.
This is a mischaracterization of Islamic history, at least as Muslims typically present it.Yes, there are Muslims who, in citing verses of abrogation, hold that some verses in The Qur'an abrogate earlier ones. However, there is no scholarly consensus on the matter, neither as to which verses these should be, nor the exact amount of them. The more cogent view tends to be that those verses alluding to abrogation intend the abrogated verse to be that of previous scripture. For example, until The Qur'an, there was no mercy clause included with the prescribed penalty for murder in The Torah. According to the doctrine of abrogation, The Qur'an's directive superseded this Torah Law.This doesn't mean Jews and Christians can't apply their own jurisprudence; it simply means they are free to apply that of Islam if they so choose.
The Quran was dictated in a very short period but even so changes were made and texts abrogated – the Quran itself says so.
Biblical history itself tells us that its record had to be rewritten, since Nebudchadnezzar's destruction of Jerusalem would have also destroyed it; its recomposition predates the Dead Sea Scrolls by centuries. Last I visited Hagia Sophia was in its museum phase. Quite impressive. I suppose the exception to the general rule concerned its exceptional character, being the most imposing structure in the city. I don't have access to any record of legal deliberations that occurred over its eventual fate in 1453, and I'm not in any position to decide what, if anything, should be done with it. It is, however, the most notable exception in over one millennium of Muslim rule spanning from Gibraltar to Micronesia. You won't find any others like it.The text I usually recall when considering the topic of Muhammad in The Bible is by a former Roman Catholic priest of the Uniate-Chaldean persuasion, well versed in Aramaic, Arabic, Hebrew and Greek. A copy of it is available here:https://archive.org/details/MuhammadInTheBible_201510/mode/2up?view=theater
The OT was written over a much longer period of time with many different hands at work. The Dead Sea scrolls are described as showing a good fidelity of text transmission
No, this includes others as well, and there is a history of Muslims protecting Buddhists, Sikhs and Hindus as 'People of the Book', however much we're led to believe otherwise.Replies: @muh muh, @Jack McArthur
Regarding religious toleration – do I assume correctly you are referring only to people of the book?
The Quran describes the attempted sacrifice of a son (37:102..) followed by the giving of another son called Isaac (37:112) and therefore the common view, and what seems to be the plain reading of the text, is that the sacrificial son is Ishmael whereas the Bible says it is Isaac.
It is the enormity of that willing sacrifice of the long awaited son by his wife Sarah rather than concubine, “your son, your only son—yes, Isaac, whom you love so much” that in context of the rest of the biblical text points to Isaac as being the original story .
Christians commonly believe “your only son ” and the ram in the bush as a theophany (crown of thorns) foreshadows that of Jesus as “your only son” (of god) on Calvary. They would also see the multitudes of Abrahams seed being fulfilled in Christianity. The biblical text describes Ishmael as “a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers” (Gen 16:1) which is the foundation for the common view in Christianity and Judaism that these characteristics are reflected even today in Islam, ergo the biblical text is verified in their minds.
If I understand the argument correctly and that abrogation is accepted in principle then what is the objection to the Quran texts being subject to abrogation?
The biblical texts claim self referentially that they were rediscovered after upheavels. https://biblehub.com/sermons/auth/orr/the_finding_of_the_law-book.htm
The point I am making is that it is an apple and orange comparison – the Quran appeared in the lifetime of one man whereas the biblical text spans centuries. The text of the former had a much easier path of transmission to the latter but that doesn’t signify by itself divine authorship. The whole style, or if I can put “voice”, of both books seem very different although albeit I read both in English.
Do you have a crib sheet/summary of the biblical texts and the claimed mentions of Muhammad? The one I vaguely remember related to dove/paraclete/holy spirit and his name but that seemed far fetched when read in context of the NT, i.e. Pentecost, the giving of the holy spirit, the new creation hovering over the womb of Mary as once it did over the waters of the deep …..
Thank you for taking the time to reply in some depth.
This is a detailed verse by verse comparison of the text of the Quran with the Bible. Perhaps it will be of use to you.Replies: @Jack McArthur
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cPoL0_rwHWUKVZdkgt693QAy2X8EhZrK/view?usp=drivesdk
Poor answer. Even a quick AI search summary would have given you something of substance to reply with.
One of the outstanding examples of Church conversions you allude to is the biggest basilica in the Christian world – Santa Sophia – which was converted into a masjid.
It was the biggest but the diameter of St Peters in Rome now exceeds it.
‘The point is that a “good Jew ” is no longer a Jew in spirit. ‘
A good Jew.
No such creature exists.
Grow the fuck up.
You misunderstood what I wrote, read again slowly.
No, The Qur'an states that Islam will prevail over other religions [9: 33], a reference to what Muslims believe is the inherent superiority of the faith. Looking at the history of Muslim conquest, we find that, with some outstanding exceptions, Muslims did not destroy non-Muslim houses of worship, nor convert them to mosques. Rather, they believed they were divinely charged with the protection of non-Muslim subjects, granting them religious liberty.Had it been otherwise, none of the ancient synagogues and churches of Jerusalem would have remained intact to this day.As far as the contending claims of the Abrahamic faiths are concerned, Muslims hold that those of the House of Israel entrusted with preservation of scripture corrupted the record, for which some scholars cite Jeremiah 8: 8 and Isaiah 28: 14-15 as evidence. Christianity, at least as it was advanced by Saul of Tarsus, is said to have been an undeniably Jewish invention, misdirecting gentiles into believing that salvation lies in Israel rather than in Ishmael. (Is this not what most of them currently believe?)In spite of all this purported corruption, many Muslims maintain that numerous biblical prophecies allude to Islam and Muhammad. In the following video, a rabbi who later converted to Islam explains a number of these:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQAn7tMmNxAReplies: @Jack McArthur
Islam (any of the varieties) maintains that it will replace all religions
The Quran states that Ishmael was the aborted human sacrifice but the bible says it was Isaac. I have no horse in this race but Isaac is the only one that makes sense. If you search through my old comments you will find out why. American Christianity seems to have hitched itself to Israel in a big way.
The Quran was dictated in a very short period but even so changes were made and texts abrogated – the Quran itself says so. The OT was written over a much longer period of time with many different hands at work. The Dead Sea scrolls are described as showing a good fidelity of text transmission.
One of the outstanding examples of Church conversions you allude to is the biggest basilica in the Christian world – Santa Sophia – which was converted into a masjid. In early 20th century it became a museum with some wonderful early Christian iconography uncovered and exposed mixed with Islamic symbols. Erdogan ended that and converted it back into a masjid in recent years.
The texts which are supposed to prophesy the coming of Islam in the bible did not seem very convincing when I looked into it many years ago but maybe you have new insights. It is indeed very strange that the bible does not know the name of the pharaoh of the Exodus since it is intimately related and foundational to Jewish beliefs. That it was somehow mysteriously lost in transmission seems highly unlikely and I could give a very good reason why the name is never given.
The Quran would have done a great service to history by naming the pharaoh as the relevant passages were being dictated but that did not happen so neither Jews or Muslims know the name of the alleged pharaoh.
Regarding religious toleration – do I assume correctly you are referring only to people of the book?
It was the biggest but the diameter of St Peters in Rome now exceeds it.
One of the outstanding examples of Church conversions you allude to is the biggest basilica in the Christian world – Santa Sophia – which was converted into a masjid.
I don't see why. 'And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these lands; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed' ~ Genesis 26: 4First of all, there simply haven't been that many Jews on earth to use this kind of language in reference to them. Second, 'these lands' is in reference to the Promised Land delineated between the Nile and Euphrates Rivers, and at no point in Jewish history do we find fulfillment of this prophecy; yet through the descendants of Ishmael, we do.
I have no horse in this race but Isaac is the only one that makes sense.
This is a mischaracterization of Islamic history, at least as Muslims typically present it.Yes, there are Muslims who, in citing verses of abrogation, hold that some verses in The Qur'an abrogate earlier ones. However, there is no scholarly consensus on the matter, neither as to which verses these should be, nor the exact amount of them. The more cogent view tends to be that those verses alluding to abrogation intend the abrogated verse to be that of previous scripture. For example, until The Qur'an, there was no mercy clause included with the prescribed penalty for murder in The Torah. According to the doctrine of abrogation, The Qur'an's directive superseded this Torah Law.This doesn't mean Jews and Christians can't apply their own jurisprudence; it simply means they are free to apply that of Islam if they so choose.
The Quran was dictated in a very short period but even so changes were made and texts abrogated – the Quran itself says so.
Biblical history itself tells us that its record had to be rewritten, since Nebudchadnezzar's destruction of Jerusalem would have also destroyed it; its recomposition predates the Dead Sea Scrolls by centuries. Last I visited Hagia Sophia was in its museum phase. Quite impressive. I suppose the exception to the general rule concerned its exceptional character, being the most imposing structure in the city. I don't have access to any record of legal deliberations that occurred over its eventual fate in 1453, and I'm not in any position to decide what, if anything, should be done with it. It is, however, the most notable exception in over one millennium of Muslim rule spanning from Gibraltar to Micronesia. You won't find any others like it.The text I usually recall when considering the topic of Muhammad in The Bible is by a former Roman Catholic priest of the Uniate-Chaldean persuasion, well versed in Aramaic, Arabic, Hebrew and Greek. A copy of it is available here:https://archive.org/details/MuhammadInTheBible_201510/mode/2up?view=theater
The OT was written over a much longer period of time with many different hands at work. The Dead Sea scrolls are described as showing a good fidelity of text transmission
No, this includes others as well, and there is a history of Muslims protecting Buddhists, Sikhs and Hindus as 'People of the Book', however much we're led to believe otherwise.Replies: @muh muh, @Jack McArthur
Regarding religious toleration – do I assume correctly you are referring only to people of the book?
You misunderstood what I wrote, read again slowly.
From the diaries of Joseph Goebbels “Goebbels: Mastermind of the Third Reich” , David Irving:
“One could conquer the world with that man (Adolf Hitler)” p. 65
“With these lads (SA) we’ll conquer the world” p. 89
“He (AH) has a prophetic vision……Germany as master of the world” p. 194
Racism and other prejudicial ~isms are ubiqutous among humans. Jews are neither worse nor better in this respect than other collections of humans nor were the Nazis either worse or better.
The Creator in Ancient Egypt is described in texts dated to c. 2000 (1130CT) “I made all people equal [alt. same]”. Compare with the divinely sanctioned racism of the OT which comes much later and the pure evil of the Talmudic texts which regard non Jews as animals.
Maurice Samuel at the time of publishing “You Gentiles” (I see a jew has sanitized the wiki article) refers more than once to the animal spirit of non Jews and he was coming from a secular Jew position but that ancestral spirit can continue to work in a through a believer or non believer. The racial supremacist wing of NS was indeed the flip side of the same coin as Talmudic Judaism. To be fair even the gospels have Jesus referring to non Jews as dogs and similar sentiments exist in Islam hence stories:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13222569/German-ISIS-bride-chained-five-year-old-Yazidi-slave-girl-sun-let-die-thirst-held-gun-head-childs-mother-stop-crying-loses-appeal-against-14-year-sentence.html
The point is that a “good Jew ” is no longer a Jew in spirit. A “good Jew” who accepts the basic ideology of the OT and who also accepts that the code of behavior is in group and not for goyim (who can be screwed without mercy through usury for example) is acting in accordance with their ancestral spirit and is still a Jew.
A “good Jew” who still accepts in essence the teaching of supremacy and choseness – the teaching that its ok to exploit non jews – remains still a Jew but maybe one who is beginning to see the truth and when they do accept the truth they renounce the evil they were born in to.
Even within an absurd nightmare (cf. the movie Devils Advocate) of cartoonish quality we still can choose between good and evil through the voice of conscience which is the god within. Do no evil.
The Vatican funded the “fudge packer” film of Elton John. Despite what the “very word of god” says the gates of hell (using their own criteria) prevailed in the end. Jesus never did come back during the lifetime of his listeners and bring the curtain down on this world (as the gospels declare) and which Paul also clearly believed. We now know with the translation of hieroglyphs that what ancient authors said was really the Exodus seems by far the most likely historical event and the authors of the OT behaved like their descendants today i.e. liars, deceitful and “haters of all mankind” with Christianity ending up indeed being their vehicle for destruction.
God’s “chosen people” breaking commandments 5 ( murder) and 8 ( bearing false witness) and 7 (Stealing) with impunity.
An almost universal misunderstanding. Talmudic Jews do not believe they sin when killing non Jews because to kill an animal is permissible. The Kol Nidre prayer, the most popular of Jewish prayer/hymns (even Neil Diamond recorded it – probably without understanding its meaning), absolves them of lying and giving false oaths in advance of doing so. The decalogue if examined in context applies to tribal in group rules.
God’s “chosen people” breaking commandments 5 ( murder) and 8 ( bearing false witness) and 7 (Stealing) with impunity.
An almost universal misunderstanding. Talmudic Jews do not believe they sin when killing non Jews because to kill an animal is permissable. The Kol Nidre prayer, the most popular of Jewish prayer/hymns (even Neil Diamond recorded it – probably without understanding its meaning), absolves them of lying and giving false oaths in advance of doing so. The decalogue if examined in context applies to tribal in group rules.
The decalogue if examined in context applies to tribal in group rules.
Lendman reports that some extremist Israeli rabbis teach that “the ten commandments don’t apply to non-Jews. So killing them in defending the homeland is acceptable, and according to the chairman of the Jewish Rabbinic Council:
“‘There is no such thing as enemy civilians in war time. The law of our Torah is to have mercy on our soldiers and to save them…. A thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew’s fingernail.’”
Lendman writes, “Rabbi David Batsri called Arabs ‘a blight, a devil, a disaster…. donkeys, and we have to ask ourselves why God didn’t create them to walk on all fours. Well, the answer is that they are needed to build and clean.’”
https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/07/why-is-the-us-honoring-a-racist-rabbi/
If I remember correctly his special area of interest was the firebombing of German cities and maximising human casualties.
Yes, I remembered correctly:
“[Bronowski] used that mathematical genius during World War II to work out the most effective way of firebombing enemy cities, be that Bomber Command on Dresden or the US Air Force on Tokyo”
https://www.perspectivemedia.com/jacob-bronowski/
Since WWII, of course. During WWII the tribe (who dreamed up the gift of multiculturalism) was behind murdering White European children by carpet bombing European cities. During the "liberation" of Normandy, including pre D-Day bombing, almost 40,000 civilians were Gaza-ed, a large portion of which were children.Replies: @Jack McArthur
White European children are in the greatest danger of being injured and killed since World War 2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Bronowski
If I remember correctly his special area of interest was the firebombing of German cities and maximising human casualties. I wonder if he remembered that when he chose Auschwitz as the closing scenes of his Ascent of Man series in the early 70’s – when the Holocaust religion was beginning.

Yes, I remembered correctly:
If I remember correctly his special area of interest was the firebombing of German cities and maximising human casualties.
"[Bronowski] used that mathematical genius during World War II to work out the most effective way of firebombing enemy cities, be that Bomber Command on Dresden or the US Air Force on Tokyo"
https://www.perspectivemedia.com/jacob-bronowski/
Replies: @Jack McArthur, @DanFromCT
" a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones;
who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one;
who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short;
who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it;
who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body;
who mouths justice and invented hell
—mouths mercy and invented hell
—mouths Golden Rules, and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell;
who mouths morals to other people and has none himself;
who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all;
who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself;
and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him!"
The Mysterious Stranger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mysterious_Stranger
Mark Twain in one of his fictional works doesn’t seem to make such a big distinction between the “two gods”:
” a God who could make good children as easily as bad, yet preferred to make bad ones;
who could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one;
who made them prize their bitter life, yet stingily cut it short;
who gave his angels eternal happiness unearned, yet required his other children to earn it;
who gave his angels painless lives, yet cursed his other children with biting miseries and maladies of mind and body;
who mouths justice and invented hell
—mouths mercy and invented hell
—mouths Golden Rules, and forgiveness multiplied by seventy times seven, and invented hell;
who mouths morals to other people and has none himself;
who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all;
who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man’s acts upon man, instead of honorably placing it where it belongs, upon himself;
and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him!”
The contrast controlled is turned up full and it is indeed a war between gray – and darkness. The tribe entered the history of the world around 3, 700 years ago and Christianity today, echoing what happened in the first centuries AD, is now seen to have been the main vehicle of that malevolent, but patient, evil spirit which hates mankind. If there is any free will in Russia, China etc to resist its great power then survival makes it quite clear that Israel, as the malevalont leader or the West, is prime target number one even after Washington. The only thing the spirit of evil recognises is force.
What you are seeing now in the West is a virtual repeat of what happened in Ancient Egypt – a lying deceitful tribal people, animated by its evil ancestral spirit, has repaid charity given to it by destroying its host. Christianity was welcomed in Egypt not least because Christian theology – unity in plurality, divine monarchy, judgment, eternal life was already known to them – but instead it became to them a trojan horse for these wicked people who then embarked on a “murderous rampage” destroying its host.
Sure there are many fine honey worded passages in the OT but then there was always the saying “that the devil has the best tunes” indeed your own name here on UNZ recalls how the greastest of the Stones hits were written when they were overtly satanic.
They were known before the birth of Christ as the “Haters of Mankind” and today is seems that Christianity has been their trojan horse – when the time came to make a stand it showed itself to be just a servant of the same evil spirit.
What is called civilization by the world can really mean separation from spirit, the exaltation of materialism, greed driven capitalism and might is right.
James Cameron in the movie Avatar tried to point out this clash between phoney civilization and people who lived by spirit. It has been repeated throughout history. Yet here I am typing on the internet making use of its services and trying to extract good from it.
Many years ago I was visiting a provincial museum and a very polite young man who was visiting Europe, and whom I think was from the Lakota community, asked me if I would take his photograph standing in front of a Ghost Dance shirt. It was believed to have come from Wounded Knee when 250 Lakota men, women and children were killed by the 7th Cavalry. The shirt was returned some years later.
I remember seeing Soldier Blue c. 1970 – the opening scene in a darkened cinema with just the sound of the title track and no picture – then “I look out and I see the land …”

[Bishop and Servant of God] Bartolomé de Las Casas later attributed the following speech to Hatuey which was addressed against Christianity. He showed the Taíno of Caobana a basket of gold and jewels, saying:
Here is the God the Spaniards worship. For these they fight and kill; for these they persecute us and that is why we have to throw them into the sea… They tell us, these tyrants, that they adore a God of peace and equality, and yet they usurp our land and make us their slaves. They speak to us of an immortal soul and of their eternal rewards and punishments, and yet they rob our belongings, seduce our women, violate our daughters. Incapable of matching us in valor, these cowards cover themselves with iron that our weapons cannot break…[5]…Before he was burned, a priest asked Hatuey if he would accept Jesus and go to heaven. Las Casas recalled the reaction of the chief:
[Hatuey], thinking a little, asked the religious man if Spaniards went to heaven. The religious man answered yes… The chief then said without further thought that he did not want to go there but to hell so as not to be where they were and where he would not see such cruel people. This is the name and honour that God and our faith have earned.[7][8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatuey
The above is what came to mind when reading your post but I am sorry if it does not relate directly to anything you intended. Love and goodwill to you.
There is a passage in the gospels in which Jesus describes himself as the Bridegroom and the Church as the bride.
Neverending LoveSong and MatingDance of LifeHerownself and LoveHisownself is our precious attention, unconditional affection, and mutual respect.
“divinization” for “divination”
Neverending LoveSong and MatingDance of LifeHerownself and LoveHisownself is our precious attention, unconditional affection, and mutual respect.
There is a passage in the gospels in which Jesus describes himself as the Bridegroom and the Church as the bride.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_of_Christ
If idolatory is a false perception of the divine, as your comments seem to suggest, then your definition of what is authentic raises the question why should it be held true when it can be seen that there are people on this thread who seem to have similarly strong convictions but not the same as you?
The OT begins with a closer relationship between man and god in the mystical garden of Eden. In Ancient Egyptian mythology the relationship is even stronger because we are made symbolically from the joyful tears of Re but in both cases something goes wrong and the Creator becomes separated to some degree i.e. man is evicted from the mystical Garden into this world and in the latter Re goes to the sky and made manifest in the Sun.
As it happens the primary constituent of the Sun (i.e. Re), and part of us, is hydrogen and so when Carl Sagan says “The cosmos is within us. We are made of star-stuff.” it has a ring of truth about it. Coincidentally the hieroglyph for Re is very close to the particle model of hydrogen.
The aforementioned separation between man and the divine is bridged in Christianity and Ancient Egypt since both are incarnational, both declaring that God is love and both describing a divination process of man: “It is No Longer I That Live, But Christ Lives in Me” (Gal 2:19) which begins in this life. Ancient Egyptian texts are saturated in such beliefs.
Maybe there is something in it:
These late eclipses in the sun and moon portend no good to us: though the wisdom of nature can reason it thus and thus, yet nature finds itself scourged by the sequent effects: love cools, friendship falls off, brothers divide: in cities, mutinies; in countries, discord; in palaces, treason; and the bond cracked ‘twixt son and father. This villain of mine comes under the prediction; there’s son against father: the king falls from bias of nature; there’s father against child. We have seen the best of our time: machinations, hollowness, treachery, and all ruinous disorders, follow us disquietly to our graves” (Shakespeare, King Lear)