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    The now popular notion that "race does not exist" or that "race is a social construct" have grown greatly in use in books in recent decades, according to Google's Ngram of American books published in English from 1800 to 2019. (I don't know what context "race does not exist" was used in the 1840s to...
  • @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    It is pretty obvious from this exchange that Sailer and the Sailerites are not only wrong, but do not know what they are talking about, as I more or less described in my earlier comment

     

    The following is from your earlier comment:

    It is, in effect, medically meaningless. Race is more of a stylistic quality or a mode that applies to the organism as a whole. Even given the (correct) observation that some diseases tend to run more heavily in certain races, this does not of course mean that the cause of that disease is “race.”
     
    You are clearly not in medicine, are you?

    And what's with the strawman? Nobody is claiming that race is the cause of disease.

    But here in the real world, those in medicine rely on race and ethnicity as a broad indicator (because we don't yet have the technology to run quick genetic tests on individual patients) for a whole of host risk factors that are highly medically relevant. Indeed, you admit that "some diseases tend to run more heavily in certain races" - you don't think this is a medically meaningful information?

    If the patient is black, you consider increased chance of diabetes and kidney disease. If the patient is East Asian, you consider (and scan for) gastric cancer at certain age threshold (East Asians have it at 5 to 13 times the rate of whites). If the patient is Indian (dot, not feather), check for cardio-vascular disease much earlier than other groups. And so on.

    It's literally stupid not to consider race and ethnicity in medical risk analysis and even diagnosis. This is an insane ideology run amok that is going to harm people!

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    And what’s with the strawman? Nobody is claiming that race is the cause of disease.

    Yes, someone is claiming that. That is exactly what Steve Sailer and his confreres here are implying when they insist that race should be included in the risk assessment without explicitly admitting that race is there functioning as a proxy for other risk factors relevant in the development of heart disease, but that race itself is not a biological cause of heart disease; and it was precisely owning to confusion over this very specific point that the AHA decided to remove race as a risk factor in the development of the model in the first place. The stated goal was to avoid race-specific treatment decisions. In a world where physicians are increasingly mindless automatons applying decision trees to patients they may have never physically interacted with, this is probably for the best.

    In case there are any lingering suspicions that the AHA has stopped acknowledging racial disparities in the prevalence of heart disease, we should be clear that the authors of the paper did not attempt to deny that nor even to downplay it:

    It is well-documented that significantly higher incidence of CVD is present among certain racial and ethnic groups. Emerging data identify that social factors are the upstream drivers of this disproportionate CVD risk. In one analysis from the CARDIA study, excess risk for diabetes among Black individuals compared with White individuals was nearly completely attributed to differences in neighborhood, socioeconomic, psychosocial, and behavioral factors. In another analysis from the CARDIA study, similar findings were observed to explain the difference in racial disparities in premature CVD.

    The authors had no qualms about identifying race as a proxy for, but not a cause of, disparities in the prevalence of heart disease. They specifically structured their argument such that disagreement with this point logically entails that the disputant is asserting that “race” is a biological cause of disease.

    Ergo, that is exactly what Steve Sailer is claiming. And if Steve Sailer does not wish to be seen as claiming that, then maybe he needs to read the paper more carefully and reformulate his response.

    • Disagree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Race is about who your relatives are. You get both your nature (genes) from your ancestors and, usually, also quite a bit of your nurture (e.g., your cuisine in many cases). That, all else being equal, cardiologists should be more concerned about patients who identify as African-American does not say whether the statistical correlation that African-Americans are more prone to cardiovascular disease is due to nature or nurture. Is this due to their genes or because their mom took them to Popeye's a lot? That's a fascinating question for scientists and public health officials, but for doctors treating individual patients, it's enough to know that with blacks, it's more likely to turn out serious.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Corvinus

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    @Intelligent Dasein


    race itself is not a biological cause of heart disease
     
    That's true. "Race itself" isn't the biological cause of anything. But specific genes can cause disease, and those genes are more likely to occur in members of certain ancestry groups (aka "races").

    For example, being black doesn't "cause" sickle cell disease. But that gene occurs far more often in people of African descent (aka "black people"). So even if being black doesn't technically "cause" sickle cell, it would still be medical malpractice to ignore a person's race as a risk factor.

    The bottom line is that AHA's model is supposed to simply be predictive -- and knowing the underlying causative mechanisms is beside the point. They are commiting malpractice by deliberately omitting any factor that makes the predictions less accurate.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Jonathan Mason

    , @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Yes, someone is claiming that. That is exactly what Steve Sailer and his confreres here are implying when they insist that race should be included in the risk assessment without explicitly admitting that race is there functioning as a proxy for other risk factors relevant in the development of heart disease, but that race itself is not a biological cause of heart disease
     
    I don't want to speak for Mr. Sailer, but I don't read him that way.

    In one analysis from the CARDIA study, excess risk for diabetes among Black individuals compared with White individuals was nearly completely attributed to differences in neighborhood, socioeconomic, psychosocial, and behavioral factors.
     
    This is a common statistical trick when dealing with "race." Yes, if you pick a tiny fraction of black people who live in elite neighborhoods, are extremely affluent, are upper crust, are "psycho-socially" healthy, have not committed crimes, and have not otherwise engaged in other negative "behavioral factors," indeed you might find such a black person to have similar mortality profile as a white person.

    But we all know that the preponderance of such blacks is miniscule compared to the fraction of such people among whites or Asians.

    Let me use a bit reductio ad absurdum. I'm pretty sure that if you compared the non-criminal fraction of the black population in America to other groups, they have committed the same amount of crimes (zero) as the number of crimes the non-criminal fraction of whites or Asians have. But we all know in this case that the selection effects are widely divergent by groups, don't we?

    Also, do you note "nearly" in that quoted statement above? This formulation is used a lot in scientific race talk... for a reason.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @res

  • @ic1000
    @ic1000

    Ugh. It looks like one has to know which "Show replies" buttons to press, to read this discussion. Below the fold is the (a?) transcript.

    @Steve_Sailer (12:45 PM Nov 15, 2023) -- Here are links to the underlying academic paper announcing the new raceless algorithm. Strikingly, it doesn't include a comparison of its accuracy vs. the old 2013 algorithm:
    [res' comment #59 at iSteve post]

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    @StoneBiology -- you're reading the wrong paper they do a direct comparison (it outperforms the old equation)

    https://ahajournals.org/doi/epdf/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.123.067626

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    @Steve_Sailer -- The AHA improved its algorithm from 2013 to 2023 in a number of noncontroversial scientific ways, but that hardly proves it didn't hurt its algorithm, ceteris paribus, by dropping race as a factor.

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    @SashaGusevPosts -- This is a very weasely way of acknowledging that the new algorithm that drops race is more accurate

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    @Steve_Sailer -- Are you familiar with the concept of ceteris paribus?

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    @SashaGusevPosts -- It's not possible to hold all conditions equal, this isn't a breeding program. But is there a reason you lied about the study right from the start?

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    @Steve_Sailer -- In updating a risk model like the American Heart Association's, it's very much possible to hold all else equal while assessing each proposed change. The AHA has the data on what the accuracy would be with and without race as a factor, but they decided not to publish it.

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    @SashaGusevPosts -- This is incorrect. Adding a race interaction substantially changes the model structure and also limits your training data to studies that have harmonized race. Now can you explain why you lied about the study?

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    @SouthernWintrs [Will I Am - e/acc - 1:47 AM · Nov 17, 2023] -- Ablation studies are a very common technique when studying algorithm design.

    You can train the same model with any factor and one without the same factor and compare accuracies.

    This is a very standard study design if one wants to be honest about changes to an algorithm.

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    @SashaGusevPosts -- Steve's not asking for an ablation study, he wants a new model that uses race, which will change the model structure and the training set (to studies that have harmonized race). This after the old model using race was shown to be inferior.

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    @SouthernWintrs -- If you take an honest and good faith reading at what he is saying, he wants the new model to be tested with race being included and excluded as a factor, aka a standard ablation study.

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    @SashaGusevPosts -- It's not an ablation study if you didn't use the feature in building the model! This is basic stuff.

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    @SouthernWintrs -- You can add and remove features in a statistical model pretty easily! Ablation models are even used to add and remove architectural features of a model to test if they have an effect.

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    @SashaGusevPosts -- Adding features is not ablation. And you can't add features that weren't collected in your training data.

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    @SouthernWintrs -- [posts image of text with emphasis added]
    "In Artificial Intelligence (AI), particularly Machine Learning (ML), ablation is the removal of a component of an AI system. An ablation study investigates the performance of an AI system by removing certain components to understand the contribution of the component to the overall system."

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    @SashaGusevPosts -- Your quote confirms my point

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    @SouthernWintrs -- It absolutely does not. A study comparing the model with and without race as a feature would be an ablation study. And given the use of race in previous models, ceteris paribus, you'd need an ablation study to show whether it makes a model better or worse.

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    @SashaGusevPosts -- I can't believe your still having this conversation not knowing the difference between taking an existing feature out of the model (ablation) and adding a new feature (a new model). Sailer really does a number on the brain.

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    @SouthernWintrs -- The original model had race. The new model does not have race. Other things were presumably changed about the model. To make a valid comparison between models to see if race was a factor, you would add race to the new model and compare the new model with and without race as a factor. That is where your ablation study comes in.

    A priori making the decision to not include race when it was included in the previous model and was a significant factor without such a comparison is pretty much scientific malpractice. The only way someone can justify it is on ideological grounds. We know two [sic] things:

    1. Previous model used race
    2. Race was a significant factor in the previous model.
    3. New model doesn't use race.

    Saying that the new model should be tested using race, isn't some crazy out of the world demand. It should be the default position given what we know previously. Without that ablation study, you can't claim that race isn't a significant factor here. You just have no proof for that. Sailer has better proof because the previous model used race and it was a significant factor.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @candid_observer, @res, @jb, @res

    It is pretty obvious from this exchange that Sailer and the Sailerites are not only wrong, but do not know what they are talking about, as I more or less described in my earlier comment, (which for some reason has been stuck in moderation since last night).

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    It is pretty obvious from this exchange that Sailer and the Sailerites are not only wrong, but do not know what they are talking about, as I more or less described in my earlier comment

     

    The following is from your earlier comment:

    It is, in effect, medically meaningless. Race is more of a stylistic quality or a mode that applies to the organism as a whole. Even given the (correct) observation that some diseases tend to run more heavily in certain races, this does not of course mean that the cause of that disease is “race.”
     
    You are clearly not in medicine, are you?

    And what's with the strawman? Nobody is claiming that race is the cause of disease.

    But here in the real world, those in medicine rely on race and ethnicity as a broad indicator (because we don't yet have the technology to run quick genetic tests on individual patients) for a whole of host risk factors that are highly medically relevant. Indeed, you admit that "some diseases tend to run more heavily in certain races" - you don't think this is a medically meaningful information?

    If the patient is black, you consider increased chance of diabetes and kidney disease. If the patient is East Asian, you consider (and scan for) gastric cancer at certain age threshold (East Asians have it at 5 to 13 times the rate of whites). If the patient is Indian (dot, not feather), check for cardio-vascular disease much earlier than other groups. And so on.

    It's literally stupid not to consider race and ethnicity in medical risk analysis and even diagnosis. This is an insane ideology run amok that is going to harm people!

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

  • It’s not a good look to pretend to be obtuse about things which aren’t that difficult to understand. I don’t have any trouble understanding what the AHA means when they say they do not want to reify the concept of biological race. That’s fine; there are plenty of other indicators they could use without making reference to a sensitive, overly politicized topic.

    Moreover, they are basically correct in what they are saying. Race is not a biological category. Race does not pertain to any particular organ or tissue or disease etiology. It is, in effect, medically meaningless. Race is more of a stylistic quality or a mode that applies to the organism as a whole. Even given the (correct) observation that some diseases tend to run more heavily in certain races, this does not of course mean that the cause of that disease is “race.” Race is neither a disease nor a cause of disease; it is simply an indicator of what sort of risks an individual might be exposed to. The disease itself—which is the fundamental topic of medical inquiry—has a much more prosaic etiology.

    When Steve brings up things like this, it is not so much a symptom of a strange obsession within mainstream culture to insist that race is not a factor in anything, as it is a symptom of a strange obsession within HBD culture to insist that race is a factor in everything. It isn’t. Race, like personality and temperament, is a condition that might dispose people in certain directions, but it doesn’t simply dissolve every other cause into itself; and, like temperament, it is not conclusive. If you were trying to evaluate the linkage between temperament and heart disease, it may be interesting to ask people who had had heart attacks whether they get angry a lot, and you will probably even find some fascinating correlations. Nonetheless, anger is not medical diagnosis, and neither is race.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @mc23
    @Intelligent Dasein

    At this point I've heard race can have some use in diagnois and treatment. Race can vaguely be seen as extended family. For example, they've found that certain meds work better on one "race" versus another.

    I imagine that sophisticated AI paired with increasing knowledge of genetics will make a broad category such as race outdated in medicine.

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  • Steven Pinker writes in Nautilus: Psychology Lost a Great Mind With his wife, Leda Cosmides, John Tooby transformed our understanding of human nature. BY STEVEN PINKER November 14, 2023 On November 10, 2023, my dear friend John Tooby died—or as he would have put it, finally lost his struggle with entropy. John was a Distinguished...
  • These comments are such the circular jerk. God created everything; evolutionary whateverism is an evidence-free observation-free troll going on two centuries now. Give it up, atheo-darwinists: you can’t produce a single observed instance of speciation.

    • Agree: Intelligent Dasein
  • As you'll recall, the Western media and governments tended to imply in 2022 that the Russians blew up much of their own immensely valuable Nord Stream pipeline economic asset for reasons of malign Russianness that rational Westerners could never begin to understand. Or something. The popular Russians Did It To Themselves theory never made any...
  • @Anonymous
    @Ben Kurtz

    Well, I doubt they just walked into a dive shop and grabbed the first few dudes they saw. (Not to say that they couldn't have trained people: tec diving isn't rocket science.) Ukraine has >40 million people and significant offshore industry: they have people with comparable experience.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Ukraine has >40 million people…

    Had.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  • There's an interesting debate at Marginal Revolution over the patterns of extinction of big game around the world as humans show up over the last 100,000 years. Here's my super-stylized (i.e., not terribly well-informed) model: - Africa was at one extreme. Humans largely evolved there, so megafauna co-evolved alongside us to not trust humans and...
  • @Mactoul
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Jared Diamond specifically argues otherwise and gives a list of attributes a plant or animal must have to be domesticated.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Jared Diamond specifically argues otherwise …

    My, isn’t that sweet of him. What is your point, and why should I give a rat’s ass?

  • @Mike Tre
    @Anonymous

    "How does one chase down a horse without having mastered horse-riding? Horses are faster than people. "

    By this logic humans would have never caught horses in order to domesticate them in the first place.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Intelligent Dasein

    In order to catch horses you mean to keep, you would just need to round up the lost and hungry foals that had been abandoned by their mothers or orphaned. In fact, these are the only kind of horses that you would likely ever catch on foot. You could kill them eat them right away, but you might as well raise them and breed them. There is a path to domestication that is easier than hunting adult specimens.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
  • As you'll recall, the Western media and governments tended to imply in 2022 that the Russians blew up much of their own immensely valuable Nord Stream pipeline economic asset for reasons of malign Russianness that rational Westerners could never begin to understand. Or something. The popular Russians Did It To Themselves theory never made any...
  • It was the USA and its NATO companions who did Nord Stream. If they’re blaming Ukraine now, it’s because they know Ukraine is losing the war badly and they are getting ready to throw Ukraine under the bus.

  • There's an interesting debate at Marginal Revolution over the patterns of extinction of big game around the world as humans show up over the last 100,000 years. Here's my super-stylized (i.e., not terribly well-informed) model: - Africa was at one extreme. Humans largely evolved there, so megafauna co-evolved alongside us to not trust humans and...
  • @Colin Wright
    @Muggles

    Alright -- but what were the wild progenitors of our domestic cattle like? Was Bossy always of manageable size and disposed to be calm?

    We took the wild animals we found -- primitive horse, wild cattle, et al -- and bred them into usable forms.

    I would suggest that given a few thousand more years, American Indians might have done the same.

    Jered Diamond likes to deny agency to people. He imagines insuperable obstacles to explain everything. I think it's more a matter of American Indians getting a later start, and sub-Saharan blacks just being inherently stupid.

    Replies: @Dutch Boy, @Bill Jones, @Intelligent Dasein

    We took the wild animals we found — primitive horse, wild cattle, et al — and bred them into usable forms.

    I would suggest that given a few thousand more years, American Indians might have done the same.

    Yes, all the evolutionists like to suggest that, but it is wrong. Because Darwinian evolution implicitly asserts that you can get from anywhere to anywhere else with the right selective pressure, it’s common to hear people blithely assume that any plant or animal could be domesticated “given a few thousand years.”

    The truth is exactly the opposite. Most plants and animals are not amenable to domestication, and the relative few that are so have been with us since prehistory. There is no easy way to explain this as a chance result. Either the early humans were extremely lucky in their choice of farm companions, or something else is going on.

    In short, the wild creatures domesticated themselves. We didn’t take them out of the wild, they came to us because they had some sort of intrinsic tendency to serve humanity. No all the kinds of creatures did this, nor even all the individuals within the kinds that did, but some select individuals were called to this. Only this can explain the rapid development of such deep and necessary symbiotic arrangements. It is the echoes of the dominion of Adam.

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    @Intelligent Dasein

    Jared Diamond specifically argues otherwise and gives a list of attributes a plant or animal must have to be domesticated.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @Colin Wright
    @Intelligent Dasein


    ' Only this can explain the rapid development of such deep and necessary symbiotic arrangements.'
     
    Note that a process requiring a hundred generations to complete is not 'a rapid development.'

    Moreover, we can visibly see the various stages of the process; from Lapps following Reindeer to Bossy lowing for somebody to come milk her. It's not like fully domesticated kine just wandered in off the range.
  • Nothing ever really goes extinct. What happens is that a genus sheds its connotations and reverts to a simpler expression-form. The dinosaurs, for example, are not extinct; it’s just that today we call them birds and iguanas, and they’ve lost some of their former glory.

    Nothing could be more absurd than the idea that the Indians killed off all the megafauna by hunting them. As if a few thinly spread bands of humans could range all over the whole North American continent and somehow track down every last beast and kill it before the animals found somewhere to hide. Modern Europeans, with vastly superior numbers, industrial society, locomotives, firearms, poison, and a more-or-less deliberate policy of extermination, did not quite manage to kill off the bison, the coyote, or the wolf, so it’s unlikely that spear-chucking nomads on foot fared any better.

    If you believe they did, try a little experiment. Try walking from the Seward Peninsula down to Boca Raton without making use of any roads, and then imagine yourself trying to chase down all the horses in that expanse (on foot). America is a gigantic place, full of mysterious mountain ranges, endless plains, impenetrable forests, uncrossable deserts, and wetlands that could swallow whole European nations without a trace. You will never find all the horses.

    The decline of the megafauna cannot be explained by any crude material causes. It was simply the end of an age, the passing of one era into another. The greater beasts sleep in the day of man, but that day too has its limits of which we know not.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Disagree: MEH 0910
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  • I think this is a handy framework for thinking about a wide variety of social customs. I'd imagine 19th Century novels offer lots of examples. For instance, I read Thackeray's Vanity Fair a couple of years ago and my recollection is that the social climbing Becky Sharpe, daughter of the bohemian class, constantly latches on...
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    The issue of using knives and forks and holding knives may depend partly on the kind of diet eaten.

    Traditionally the English were inclined to serve slices of roast meat at meals, which required a knife to slice into mouth pieces.

    Interestingly a different knife and fork were used for serving fish, which is softer and easier to cut with a fork.

    The habit of using the back of the fork held in the left hand, even for delivering peas to the mouth seems odd, but was probably an attempt to be super respectable and refined and to distinguish the middle classes from the proles.(The best way to achieve this would be to mix the peas with mashed potato.)

    In the traditional manner of English eating the fork is held in the left hand and the knife in the right. For most people it is obviously easier to transfer the fork to the right hand, inverted, and use it more like a spoon.

    Eating in front of the TV does not seem like a very good idea due to the increased possibility of spilling food and drink on soft furniture or carpets. Most people don't seem to feed their dogs in front of the TV.

    Most people can fairly quickly learn to use chopsticks to eat Chinese food, but they wouldn't be much use for Thanksgiving dinner or desserts.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Most people can fairly quickly learn to use chopsticks to eat Chinese food, but they wouldn’t be much use for Thanksgiving dinner or desserts.

    Funny story: I used to cook a lot of Asian food at home, and I ate with chopsticks so often that I unconsciously started using them even for my “American” meals, like steamed salmon filet and string beans. It’s interesting how it just sinks in.

    By the way, I agree with you about mulattas being dateable. Some of them are strikingly good looking and they tend to make the most of their career and educational opportunities.

    And white men, by and large, are probably the most cosmopolitan of spouses and are the least deterred by differences of race, ethnicity, or class. White men are thirsty; no matter what kind of woman you are, somewhere there is a white man who will put a ring on it. Concerns for race-purity aside, the white husband has always been a good opportunity for minority women to improve their prospects. I still maintain that if you really want to solve America’s black problem, the best thing for it is white man/black woman miscegenation. Mulatto children with white fathers in the home are not a problem for society.

  • I went to a high school, Notre Dame of Sherman Oaks, that was possibly the second best Catholic school in giant Los Angeles after Loyola. That seems pretty good. Yet, I could imagine I'd be more ambitious (lack of ambition might be my failing). if I'd gone to an elite prep school like Harvard-Westlake. Would...
  • @Ivy Guy
    I tend to agree that genetics will out. I went to public high school in one of the poorest school districts in my state, in the early 1980s. It was a dying, mostly dead, coal town. State grants had recently built us a new building, with all the trimmings. We had chem labs—but no chemicals. Woodworking and metalworking machines in shop class—but no wood or metal. A planetarium—but no seats. And an indoor swimming pool, which eventually developed some structural problems too costly to fix and so was closed.

    But it was about 100% working class white ethnics. Some rougher types, but entirely safe—in a 90% Catholic town, the public school operated like a Catholic school.

    Anyway, I was a geek, and the teachers—nearly all with Education degrees from the nearby thoroughly mediocre state college—did their very best for me. Which was enough. I got into an Ivy and found it relatively easy to finish summa. Graduate degrees from another Ivy and Oxbridge after that. My more than decently successful career after that depended not at all on my Ivy “connections”—but the Ivy credentials absolutely helped.

    As far as I can tell, none of that has anything to do with either school quality or effort on my part. It’s all the genes.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    It’s all the genes.

    Then why did the genes–which, in the nature of the case, you must have gotten from your parents—not propel them to be anything more than working class in a dying, mostly dead, coal town?

    Simple regression here would indicate that it’s not “all the genes.”

    What it is, is being in position to take advantage of the benefits offered by a matured, complex society. Without getting plugged into the system at the right time of your life, in the right ways, and not needing to expend Herculean efforts to do it and burning yourself out, you will not enjoy the charmed outcome. And the process of plugging in is largely a function of what other people do, or have done, for you. If nobody gives you a leg up, you get stuck lumping coal no matter how smart you are.

    One of the biggest fallacies of the gene people is this idea that social success is the result of some inherent good quality in the successful person. It’s not. Social success does not equal intelligence, hard work, talent, or “genes.” It is a quality all its own that can exist independently of those other things, and the chief determinant of it is the Iron Law of Oligarchy: those with power will use their power to preserve their power, mostly for themselves and their own children.

    But there is, in juridically ordered societies, usually some social mobility and some opportunity for those looking to join the oligarchy from outside, and in our society one of those narrow gates is called “good schools.” That is why people fight so hard to get into them, despite their educational benefits being rather dubious and difficult to quantity.

    There was a time in America when those narrow gates were forced open a bit wider, so that the children of the working class could still hope to get through. But that day has drawn to a close, and the hope of the younger people is dwindling out like a candle in a cave.

    If you ever hear the animadversion “Okay, Boomer,” that’s what it means.

    • Replies: @Ivy Guy
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I’m an adopted child. My genes are not from my parents.

    Replies: @MEH 0910

  • I think this is a handy framework for thinking about a wide variety of social customs. I'd imagine 19th Century novels offer lots of examples. For instance, I read Thackeray's Vanity Fair a couple of years ago and my recollection is that the social climbing Becky Sharpe, daughter of the bohemian class, constantly latches on...
  • I want to say one word to you. Just one word:

    No energy left to say more?

    • LOL: Buzz Mohawk
  • I've thought about this over the years without coming up with much of a theory. Beethoven was Beethoven, so maybe he did invent African-American music in his ultimate piano sonata in 1822. Scott Joplin's music teacher in Texarkana was a German Jewish immigrant named Julius Weiss who loved Beethoven, so that's a not implausible connection....
  • @YetAnotherAnon
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "there is nothing new under the sun. Everything has been done before, absolutely everything"

    But instruments are new - electric guitar, synthesiser, before that sax, piano accordion, before that piano. And each instrument sounds new even if the music isn't.

    In our world we can see there are a LOT of new things under the sun, which is why I'm able to read your post.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Yes, indeed. I certainly take your point and I don’t mean to be argumentative, but I would respectfully submit that such things fall under the category of secondary importance.

    Things which are merely things—i.e. all artifacts, tools, implements, utensils, machines, instruments, furnishings, etc.—are not really new, since they exist as permanent possibilities of matter. What’s new is the will that puts them to use.

    We know that wind instruments and strings and horns and drums have existed basically forever, since before recorded history even. Yet the particular will that worked up these ancient devices into the unique instruments of a baroque orchestral suite was something particular to Western man in a certain place and time. And again, the idea of mixing electrical engineering with the generation, amplification, and recording of sound was an innovation of Western industrial societies, but it remains—for all its technical sophistication—simply a peculiar type of handicraft.

    We are speaking to each other over the internet, which is an immensely complicated medium for performing the simple task of communication. But that which I have to say, which is the real essence of the matter, could be just as well said in person.

    The tragedy of Western man and the enormous effort he has devoted to the development of his technology, is the fact that in last analysis technology remains merely a means, and means can be dispensed with.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Intelligent Dasein


    "But that which I have to say, which is the real essence of the matter, could be just as well said in person."
     
    But .... the world was a different place after Gutenberg, and still more different after the improved printing technology of the 19th and 20th centuries and the later rise of newspapers. It could be argued that the Age of Revolution (1779-1848) was a byproduct of the former and 1905-1933 of the latter.

    In the last 20 years the internet has changed utterly how most young people meet each other.

    The girl who monetised her beauty by marrying well can now do so with Onlyfans, the exhibitionists of both sexes who were excited by self-exposure can now show themselves to hundreds of strangers (though those, usually male, for whom the pleasure comes from an unwilling audience may stick to the traditional methods).

    People with the most outre tastes, who before would have almost always kept their tastes to themselves, can now find their fellows and communicate in real time - no more waiting six weeks for that letter from Australia.

    The broadening and speeding of communication cannot but change who we are IMHO - or perhaps allow us to be more who we are. This won't always be a good thing, but either way it'll make for a different world.


    (And the fact that the "more who we are" will be known unto the Five Eyes, who'll know us better than we know ourselves, will also make for a different world. Never has Big Brother been so powerful.)

  • This “Did so-and-so invent such-and-such?” stuff is all so tiresome.

    Look, there is nothing new under the sun. Everything has been done before, absolutely everything. There are only a finite number of ways you can put tones together and still retain musicality, and this scope reduces even further when you operate from a suite containing the same instruments, the same scales, the same musical notation, and the same schools.

    What really marks the difference between one composer and the next, or one era and the next, or once civilization and the next, is what ends they pursue with the means that are available to all, and this becomes their distinction and shows forth their personality. The details of technique as such are of very secondary importance. What you’re calling “African-American music” here is simply techniques taken from the classical repertoire and adapted to serve as dance music in speakeasies and whatnot. So, unless Beethoven actually had that end in mind, then no, he didn’t invent it, no matter how similar it sounds.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "there is nothing new under the sun. Everything has been done before, absolutely everything"

    But instruments are new - electric guitar, synthesiser, before that sax, piano accordion, before that piano. And each instrument sounds new even if the music isn't.

    In our world we can see there are a LOT of new things under the sun, which is why I'm able to read your post.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

  • So, what exactly is the strategy? There doesn’t seem to be one. If you read the actual White House press release, all it says is that the administration wants to continue to work with community leaders to develop a strategy.

    In other words, this is a nothingburger. The announcement is pure decoration with no substance. There is never going to be a strategy. At best it will be used simply as an excuse to cancel overzealous Deplorables who think it’s their Christian duty to support political Zionism.

    But it will also very much anger AIPAC, who are the ones really steering US policy on this subject. It’s strange how this administration continues to find new and inventive ways to shoot itself in the foot.

    On the other hand, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a faction within the Deep State that was genuinely interested in pivoting away from Israel. I wrote about the transformation of the Left yesterday at The Z-Blog.

    [MORE]

    Since we’re speaking of the future, I’d like to moot something as a possibility. Not a prediction, not a desire, but just a hypothetical that helps to flesh out the thought-space.

    How would you feel if you were coopted by the imperial ministers of culture? I mean, what if the Dissident Right ended up getting 75-90% of everything they wanted, but if it was all implemented by people whom you formerly considered to be your ideological enemies, and for reasons that you didn’t agree with?

    For example, let’s say immigration stops, but it is the Left that closes the border because they realize that their bread is buttered more on the side of the resurgent labor movement, and anyway they find the native population much easier to control than the huddled masses from everywhere else.

    Or another example, let’s say that Affirmative Action stops being enforced and is eventually quietly forgotten about, but it’s only because the existing minority patronage networks can now be counted on to be the tribunes of diversity and to supply enough diversity opportunities, when and where such pressures need to be relieved, without resorting to the letter of the law; meanwhile, the shrinking upper middle class white population now feels the need to defend their turf without ever admitting they were wrong, so they begin to exclusively look after their own, but they do it under the auspices of “family values,” which they now hypocritically regard as being their position all along.

    Or a third example, let’s say fiscal restraint is imposed upon the government, welfare and entitlement programs are cut, but it’s all marketed as necessary to aid the war efforts of our allies like Ukraine and Israel, and no patriotic American should be against it.

    Or a fourth example, let’s say that the LGBT and sexual perversity crowd is cut off from the public space and forced back into the closet, but it’s explained to them that this is a protective measure, and if they don’t hide themselves then the risk that they will be attacked by agents of Putin or Radical Islam is just too great to take.

    Or a fifth example, let’s say that the Green New Deal is quietly shelved, but it’s explained that the need to aid Europeans with coal and LNG in the face of Putin’s merciless energy embargo takes preference over the climate catastrophe, which in any case has been mitigated by previous efforts at electrification and renewables.

    In other words, many good ideas are implemented but all of the same bad guys win, and the public is never educated about what really happened and why.

    I ask because it certainly seems to me that there are elements within the Biden Administration that are moving in this very direction. It raises questions for me about previous periods of relative calm, like the 1950s for instance. Perhaps the social peace of that era was simply the ossified remains of the war propaganda, and that the root causes of the great conflict were never properly addressed and brought to light. This has now become my default historiographic paradigm for interpreting the 20th century.

    • Thanks: Almost Missouri, Hail
    • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Imagine

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugrAo8wEPiI&t=101s

  • NOW, WITH PROOFREADING! Unlike the NBA Finals most valuable player award, the World Series MVP has a lot of luck involved. The NBA Finals award usually goes to what Bill Simmons calls the alpha dog of the basketball world: the best player on the best team. Sometimes some decent player gets hot and wins it,...
  • @Not Raul
    @AnotherDad


    The baseball salary numbers always seem a bit crazy to me.

    $32 million a year–for one player? Contracts that close in on a half a billion?
     
    Supply and Demand

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Supply and Demand

    That’s kind of the point, though. I understand that the “supply” of top tier baseball talent is restricted, but I don’t understand why there’s so much “demand” for it.

    For me personally, you couldn’t pay me to bother wasting a weekend watching sportsball unless we were talking some serious coin. In my universe there is actually negative demand for this stuff.

    And that’s just watching it on television; forget about actually going to games. Right now in this country, there are thousands upon thousands of people who will load themselves into cars, planes, and RVs tomorrow and travel across the country to go see a college freaking football game, and many millions more who would willingly do so if they had the chance. That is just absurd. Even if you gave me an all-expenses-paid trip to one of these monstrosities, I’d tell you to keep it and leave me alone. The fact that there are people who are actually paying handsomely to subject themselves to that kind of torture is something I’ll never understand.

    • Thanks: Not Raul
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Agree. Financially, are there that many gazillions of eyeballs glued to TVs for 81 games for 30 teams to support that level of ad revenue to pay all those athletes millions of dollars to play a boy's game? And if there are how is that the best use of people's labor and treasure; we could pay for universal medical coverage and a lot of other nice things out of that.

    Not being a commie, I don't believe in telling people how to spend their money. But then, don't bitch about your medical insurance premiums and the fact that we don't have places to put all the human zombies spoiling the commons.

    There's a logically and economically consistent anarcho-capitalist alternative, but I doubt the average baseball fan would like it.

    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Absurd overreaction to sporting events has a long history, e.g. the 6th-century Byzantine Nika riots pitting the Blues and the Greens (chariot racing fanboys). Currently, the deranged behavior of football/soccer fans around the globe is widespread. It seems to be a human-nature feature that's unlikely to go away.

    But the uniquely -- and uniquely harmful -- American twist is, as you note, the infection of college/university life with this destructive obsession.

    The damage done by college sports is multi-faceted. It poisons the college atmosphere, elevating athletes above those who excel at the purported raison d'etre of academia itself. It encourages parents around the country to push their modestly-talented children into over-the-top sports practice and competition schedules, all in the name of 'winning a college scholarship'. It reduces middle-aged men into crazed sycophants lapping up scraps of recruiting news about 17-year-old boys with whom they are utterly unconnected, and devoting more of their time and love to their college team than they can spare for their hobbies and their churches, and maybe -- sometimes I genuinely wonder about this -- for their wives and children.

    Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi

  • Matthew Yglesias writes on his Slow Boring* substack: The 2020 murder surge wasn't about Covid Covid was global, the crime wave was only in America MATTHEW YGLESIAS OCT 31 Paul Krugman wrote a column last week on public perceptions of crime versus crime realities with some analogies to and implications for public perceptions of the...
  • @Hail
    @Hail

    Caveat: I don't actually think Sailer is entirely right about the causes of crime rise of the early 2020s.

    That is, if the Sailer theory is a hard-and-narrow version of the George Floyd Effect. By that I mean entirely attributing the crime surge to political shocks related to the late-May-early-June-2020 BLM resurgence out of nowhere; the riots; the frenzy of Regime political-agitation against its internal Reichsfeinde (White-Males, Christians, anti-Transgenders, Middle America generally, police); and the crucifixion of latest "Great White Defendant" Derek Chauvin; all of which, in this theory, emboldened criminals and disempowering police and leading local prosecutors to make righteous political-statements to show the White-Male internal-enemy who is boss.

    The problem with that being the beginning and end of it is: for one thing, and as other have often said, there would have been no George Floyd Effect at all without a Corona-Panic preceding it.

    The anti-Lockdown hardliners, including a substantial element of the commentariat here at the Steve Sailer blog itself, predicted back in March and April 2020 something like the crime-surge coming from the Lockdowns; and so it did, although the exact details could not necessarily be predicted.

    There are also many subtle-but-pervasive effects of the Panic that are hard to graph and which do not lend themselves to easy one-liner narratives. Here in 2023, a stalwart little group remains active tracking extra-deaths to cause not related to the Wuhan-Apocalypse-Virus' effects. These phenomena all form a social force not reducible to any one single thing.

    One of the easier ones to quantify is the extra White drug-overdose deaths, huge numbers of Whites in the USA have died in the early 2020s of drug-overdoes who would have lived. People like Yglesias will care much less about those, not necessarily out of malice but simply because those drug-overdose deaths are for Middle-America losers. The phenomenon does not much affect his White-liberal, Jewish, and sundry international-elite friends, whereas the surge in crime back to circa-1990s levels stings given the preceding long-period of relatively good years for the Blue-urban Yglesias'es of the world. (Yglesias himself was beaten up by a thug at 2am one night, sometime in the 2010s, but it was just a blip on the screen, one of those "exceptions that proves the rule.")

    Sailer is certainly directionally correct about his overall insights on the George Floyd Effect, though; and, regardless of the final accounting, Matthew Yglesias has copied Sailer's theory without attribution.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Intelligent Dasein, @YetAnotherAnon, @Achmed E. Newman, @Redneck Farmer, @Clifford Brown, @MGB, @Hypnotoad666

    There are also many subtle-but-pervasive effects of the Panic that are hard to graph and which do not lend themselves to easy one-liner narratives.

    I’ll take a stab at a one-liner, Hail: The Covid Panic broke the social compact.

    When the government tells people they cannot work or earn a living, or see their relatives, or leave their house, or receive care from their doctor, or send their children to school, then the government makes people feel as if they are in the condition of repressed slaves with no rights and no value. It’s only natural that they will try to take revenge and get back at the government in other ways.

    Some will take revenge upon society as a whole (i.e. “work from home”).

    Some will take revenge upon others (theft, violence, ignoring traffic rules).

    Some will take revenge upon themselves (drugs and alcohol, suicide).

    The true monstrousness of the Covid Panic has yet to be grasped even by those of us who saw it for what it was. The anger and the tears are overwhelming. The question now is one of calling those responsible to justice.

    • Agree: Mike Tre, Travis
    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Intelligent Dasein

    When ones calls a pandemic that killed over 1 million in the U.S. and put 5 million into the hospital as a panic that could have been ignored, one is not making a very good point.

    The biggest problem with Covid-19 is how many adults showed that they did not have the concentration, the patience, or the ability to focus on a severe problem for more than few weeks. It also shows how all of the concern trolling of the right is nonsense. If more than 1 million additional deaths over three years is not big deal, then why spend a second thinking about homicides or suicides in the U.S.

    Replies: @Art Deco

    , @vinteuil
    @Intelligent Dasein


    The question now is one of calling those responsible to justice.
     
    If there is anything that history teaches us, it is that there is no justice. There is only one law:

    The strong act as they will, the weak suffer what they must.

    Replies: @vinteuil

    , @Travis
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The lockdowns were the cause of the 2020 riots and the increase in murders. Without the lockdowns the Floyd protests never go nationwide. There would have been a single protest in Minneapolis , and the rest of America would be busy going to school or work.

    But the lockdowns isolated millions of Americans, resulting in civil unrest across the United States because we had been under house arrest for months , with all schools, churches and all social outlets closed. The only acceptable way to socialize was attending a George Floyd Protest. All other activities were banned.

    BLM is certainly partly to blame for the riots, but the main cause was due to the lockdowns. When gentle giant Michael Brown was executed by the police the rioting never spread beyond Ferguson….just a handful of protests in 2014…yet in 2020 we had thousands of protests and hundreds of riots across America due to the lockdowns.
    The consequences of the lockdowns will be felt for years to come.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix, @Mike Tre

  • From Undark, a lengthy thumbsucker worrying that Genome-Wide Association Studies could be used Wrong, such as for predicting IQ and other interesting traits. The article profiles a start-up that advises customers on what the exploding literature on GWAS says about their genome (or whoever owns the genome they submitted -- maybe they got it off...
  • @epebble
    @AnotherDad

    Though that is a comforting argument, we have benefited greatly by an artificially lower inflation rate (and correspondingly high profitability in stock investing, making everyone feel rich) for a few decades now by the dual tactic of large immigration and transfer of production to lower cost locales. As the marginal benefit of one or both start diminishing, we are seeing inflation that is causing panic. This is just a start. Once the advantages are fully neutralized and we have to pay market rate for our debts, the current inflation will feel imperceptible by comparison. 1970's will not be distant memory, they are the future.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @deep anonymous, @bomag

    You are entirely right, but you won’t get much credit for that around here.

    We are now in the opening rounds of a long overdue wage/price spiral that is necessary to monetize the existing debts. We’ve had the “price” side over the last year or so, as the pandemic-era stimulus flooded into consumer spending. Now, as the recent UAW strikes bear witness, we are starting to see the “wage” side catch up, but wages are far behind and have a long way to go before they catch up with prices.

  • Somebody worked fanatically hard at concocting the coloring of this world map of the mythical Female Hotness Index: I haven't traveled that much, but my impression in 1980 from 6 weeks in Western Europe (never getting to Iberia or Scandinavia) was that Milan was clearly #1. Indeed, this map suggests a north to south decline...
  • @Intelligent Dasein
    @Jim Don Bob

    I'm always surprised when I see that people have strong, negative opinions about poutine. I mean, doesn't everybody have some version of this dish? Isn't poutine basically just the "refrigerator casserole" you would make out of assorted leftovers when you're hungry and don't feel like cooking? I've eaten "poutine" a thousand times in my life without ever consciously setting out to make it.

    Poutine is good, rib-sticking, working class food, and anybody who turns their nose up at it is not okay in my book.

    Replies: @Charlotte Allen, @Peter Akuleyev, @theMann, @Jim Don Bob

    I enjoyed my poutine. But it, like a big bowl of chili, was just not the best thing to eat before 10 hours of driving the next day.

    • Thanks: Intelligent Dasein
    • LOL: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jim Don Bob


    But it, like a big bowl of chili, was just not the best thing to eat before 10 hours of driving the next day.
     
    Only with that nasty muck with beans my wife's Northern people call chili. Southwestern-style chili with beef and vegetables, especially New Mexico green chili, is delectable and sits well in the stomach.
  • @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    All of Central/South America needs a radical upgrade, as does South Asia.
     
    You find Indian women attractive?

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Intelligent Dasein, @MEH 0910

    You find Indian women attractive?

    Yes, I do, very much so.

    Not all of them, of course. Every corner of the world has its hot women and its not-so-hot women. But when Indian women are hot, they are particularly striking. Not all South Asian women are beautiful, but the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen were South Asian.

  • @Jim Don Bob
    @Clifford Brown

    I had my first taste of poutine this summer in Canada. I just had a small dish which was a good thing, because on the drive back to the USA the next day there was about an hour where I thought I was either gonna throw up or soil my pants. Never again.

    Replies: @Clifford Brown, @Intelligent Dasein

    I’m always surprised when I see that people have strong, negative opinions about poutine. I mean, doesn’t everybody have some version of this dish? Isn’t poutine basically just the “refrigerator casserole” you would make out of assorted leftovers when you’re hungry and don’t feel like cooking? I’ve eaten “poutine” a thousand times in my life without ever consciously setting out to make it.

    Poutine is good, rib-sticking, working class food, and anybody who turns their nose up at it is not okay in my book.

    • Replies: @Charlotte Allen
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Poutine is revolting! Along with its cousins, Wisconsin cheese curds and the Springfield, IL, horseshoe sandwich (and some other Midwestern classics of that ilk). Also sandwiches or anything else with French fries inside or on top. French fries are delicious but belong on the side, not inside food items. The worst feature of poutine is the icky brown gravy it's smothered in. That's the "English" component of poutine that is the most revolting aspect of it at all (the fries and cheese as a combo by itself isn't so bad). Where do the English get that heavy, tasteless brown gravy they smother everything in? It's completely different from a French brown sauce where wine and beef stock are the main ingredients.

    "Refrigerator casseroles" are one of the great dividing lines between the sexes. They are a strictly male eating-alone thing. They go with eating standing up, which is another male thing. My husband makes them when I am not around, and I just laugh when he recites his ingredient lists.

    Good working-class food is burgers, hot dogs, Cornish pasties, Mexican anything, and any Italian sandwich, hot or cold.

    I am reading this thread with great amusement. My husband lived in Canada for seven years and swears by the Icelandic and Ukrainian females of Manitoba.

    Replies: @My husband lived in Canada for seven years

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Poutine is not "leftovers". It is french fries, gravy and the squeaky Quebec cheese curds. Maybe it still counts as "poutine" if you throw in some smoked meat, but that's it. Add anything else, or substitute anything else and it's not "poutine". Outside of Quebec it is never any good because the cheese is always wrong. You can't have melty mozzarella for example, which seems to be what Americans often do.

    , @theMann
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The only interesting thing about poutine is that it looks exactly the same coming up as it did going down.

    , @Jim Don Bob
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I enjoyed my poutine. But it, like a big bowl of chili, was just not the best thing to eat before 10 hours of driving the next day.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  • All of Central/South America needs a radical upgrade, as does South Asia.

    Mexican women fairly bad? Persian women only decent?

    • Agree: Vajradhara
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    All of Central/South America needs a radical upgrade, as does South Asia.
     
    You find Indian women attractive?

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Intelligent Dasein, @MEH 0910

  • I want to promote once again my upcoming anthology Noticing. The extremely nice (and extremely expensive) hardback is on sale now for shipping in time for Christmas. (The reasonably priced soft cover is slated for early Spring, but the publisher is not yet taking pre-orders for it. I am told the the packaging will make...
  • I don’t understand why any of this was necessary. Print-on-Demand publishing is extremely easy these days. If Steve wanted to publish an anthology, it would have required little more effort than copying and pasting. The hassle of finding a publisher is so 20th century.

  • Commenter SFG responds to my argument that contemporary intellectuals tend to have a hard time dealing with questions of whether a glass is more full than empty or vice-versa, such as whether males evolved to do more of the hunting than females. As well as Sacralization of some identity groups, we also see in recent...
  • @Mr. Anon
    @AnotherDad


    A) at the basic scientific level, it obviously isn’t the flu–it’s not a flu virus. And it something different and new that attacks and kills people in a different way. And was obviously way more lethal than a typical seasonal flu–actually was significantly more lethal the prior “generational” flus–Asian and Hong Kong–of my lifetime. So the flippant smartass response is easy to discredit and just alienates people who are reasonable and rational–and there are lots of them–and drives them off.
     
    I'm not at all sold on the idea that it was really so much worse than the Asian or Hong Kong Flu.

    COVID still primarily killed people who were within a few years of dying. During the Asian Flu pandemic, nearly 40% of those who died were children under the age of five. A lot of people (including, I'm guessing, you) would rank that as a far worse mortality profile.

    Then there is the suspicion, which I think will be borne out as fact eventually, that a lot of the deaths were iatrogenic or down to the hysteria itself: from shoving sick people into nursing homes (thank you Mario Cuomo, Richard Levine, and others), isolating old people to the point that they just died of despair, aggressive use of ventillators (even when they were not needed) and Remdesivir, mislabeling the cause of death (i.e. "COVID victims" who died in motorcycle accidents), etc.

    Incidentally, there is speculation that a lot of the deaths during the Spanish Influenza were iatrogenic too: one treatment for it was massive doses of aspirin, which can cause bleeding in the lungs and fluid build-up.

    I wouldn't guess there were nearly as many iatrogenic deaths during the Asian and Hong Kong flu pandemics because society didn't go stark-raving mad during those, as they did for COVID.

    And yeah. Republicans held the Senate during 2020 when investigation revealed that the Covid virus came from gain of function research funded by Fauci and the EcoHealth Alliance/Peter Daszak at the Wuhan Labe … nothing. Investigate the origins of the virus that is upending the nation, the world? And the links to it from our bureaucracy? And the responsibility of the slimy operator posing as the pandemics oracle? And his attempts using grants to suppress inquiry? No … can’t do that.

    Now the Republican control the House … nothing.

    Apparently, it is not important to investigate this rather important event–even to show your enemies are responsible and liars, and overthrow their narrative.
     
    Why it's almost as if TPTB wanted it all to happen just as it did. They clearly wanted to push it even farther too.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Then there is the suspicion, which I think will be borne out as fact eventually, that a lot of the deaths were iatrogenic or down to the hysteria itself: from shoving sick people into nursing homes (thank you Mario Cuomo, Richard Levine, and others), isolating old people to the point that they just died of despair, aggressive use of ventillators (even when they were not needed) and Remdesivir, mislabeling the cause of death (i.e. “COVID victims” who died in motorcycle accidents), etc.

    Incidentally, there is speculation that a lot of the deaths during the Spanish Influenza were iatrogenic too: one treatment for it was massive doses of aspirin, which can cause bleeding in the lungs and fluid build-up.

    Thanks for the endorsement.

    I said all that above, but apparently nobody is reading my comments.

  • One view of science is that that it tends to be reductionist, making it easier to deal with the complexity of reality by lumping down to useful, workable simplifications such as male vs. female. A more popular view lately is that, well, actually, The Science is inherently splitterific, meaning that everything is vastly more complicated...
  • @Intelligent Dasein
    @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    I new I was going to forget someone, that's why I hesitate to name names. I am sorry.

    I also should mention Kratoklastes. He had Covid right from the beginning, although I disagree with him on his atheism.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    And, of course, Dumbo. How could I forget him?

    That’s it, I’m never naming names again. So much for my Oscar speech.

    • Thanks: Dumbo
  • @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "You were one of the few—one of the very few—commenters who always wrote straight during the Covid nightmare. It was you, Almost Missouri, Mike Tre, and myself who never lost our heads in that horrible time."

    And never forget Je Suis - inventor of Facediaper and Get Out Live Life!, a man possessed of fully functioning brains and balls who NEVER complied with unlawful coronahoax mandates, a man that remembers his eighth grade exponents (h/t IQ214) and groks that 94.1% <<< 99.86%. You're so very welcome 😘😘😘

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    I new I was going to forget someone, that’s why I hesitate to name names. I am sorry.

    I also should mention Kratoklastes. He had Covid right from the beginning, although I disagree with him on his atheism.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Intelligent Dasein

    And, of course, Dumbo. How could I forget him?

    That's it, I'm never naming names again. So much for my Oscar speech.

  • Commenter SFG responds to my argument that contemporary intellectuals tend to have a hard time dealing with questions of whether a glass is more full than empty or vice-versa, such as whether males evolved to do more of the hunting than females. As well as Sacralization of some identity groups, we also see in recent...
  • @res
    @Captain Tripps

    Here is my 4/3/20 US-centric take on that.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/l-a-mayor-public-should-wear-masks-but-not-n95s/#comment-3814212

    BTW, I think the raw US deaths data makes 2020 look more like 1918 than the other flus.

    Some difficulties with the 1918 comparison.
    1. World (and US) population is significantly more urban now.
    2. The population is significantly older now. US data https://www.census.gov/dataviz/visualizations/055/
    3. World population distribution has changed. In particular, Africa was not hard hit by Covid.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/l-a-mayor-public-should-wear-masks-but-not-n95s/#comment-3814212
    4. 1918 marked the end of an incredibly destructive war.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Captain Tripps

    BTW, I think the raw US deaths data makes 2020 look more like 1918 than the other flus.

    An unknown (but certainly large) number of “Covid” deaths were actually ventilator deaths, loneliness deaths, lockdown deaths, general iatrogenic malfeasance deaths (including deaths from the vaccine), deaths of neglect, deaths of despair, and “deaths with” that had nothing to do with Covid.

    This why Africa did not have a hard hitting Covid pandemic. Africa is too poor and remote for the kind of pseudo-medical theatrics that the Western nations engaged in. Consequently, Africa mounted very little Covid response. No response equals no pandemic.

    Interestingly, there is a hypothesis out there that the 1918 flu pandemic was a similar such iatrogenic nightmare caused by the over-administration of a novel drug at the time—aspirin. The profiles of 1918 flu victims do not square with any other known influenza risk groups, i.e. young, healthy people dying of pulmonary edemas. Hitherto, this has been blamed on some unusual aspect of the virus itself, but it actually is much better explained by widespread aspirin overdose.

    The Covid pandemic may have taught us much more about what really happened in 1918 than we knew before.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Thanks: Dumbo
    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Intelligent Dasein

    They have a weak information gathering apparatus in Africa. The thing is, only about 5% of the population of Africa is over 60, obesity is atypical, and people there spend relatively little time in climate-controlled indoor air.

  • Which famous old magazine has gotten most Woke during its Internet Age decline: Teen Vogue, Cosmo, Forbes, or Scientific American? The idea that women did some hunting in some cultures sounds like a sure bet, but the anthropologist authors can't help themselves from overstating their case hugely in the name of feminism. ... It also...
  • @Colin Wright

    'The Inequity Between Male and Female Athletes Is...'
     
    This is also a very strange way of describing the difference. After all, if Steve Sailer can run the hundred yard dash in two seconds less than I can, this isn't somehow iniquitous; it's just a physical fact.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    After all, if Steve Sailer can run the hundred yard dash in two seconds less than I can, this isn’t somehow iniquitous; it’s just a physical fact.

    That isn’t the wrong word she’s using, though. That’s a different wrong word.

    Iniquity: Means evil or grossely immoral.

    Inequity: Means disproportionately divided, unfair.

    Inequality: Means difference in kind or degree, not equal.

    The word she should be using is “inequality.”

    Lately, Leftists have taken to using the word “inequity” (or its cognates) when what they really mean is “inequality.” True to form, a whole slew of midwit commentators on the Right have read all kinds of farfetched meanings and strategies into the Leftist use of this word, as if it were the vanguard of some sinister agenda. Actually, it’s much simpler than that; it’s just Leftists being stupid. It’s using an uncommon word that sounds like it might be the synonym of a more common word, only snazzier and cooler, when really it has a different meaning altogether.

    It’s like the people who say “penultimate” when they should say “ultimate” (penultimate means second to last).

    It’s like the people who say “tankard” when they mean “tank” (a tankard is beer mug).

    It’s like the people who say “begs the question” when they mean “raises the question” (begging the question is the logical fallacy of assuming the truth of the thing to be proven).

    I really hate this kind of stuff. It’s bad enough when people do this in the first place, but it’s doubly bad when others who should know better just accept the implication that the Leftists have a method to their madness and spend all their time trying to unravel it, instead of just realizing that the Leftists are idiots.

    • Agree: Nicholas Stix
  • Commenter SFG responds to my argument that contemporary intellectuals tend to have a hard time dealing with questions of whether a glass is more full than empty or vice-versa, such as whether males evolved to do more of the hunting than females. As well as Sacralization of some identity groups, we also see in recent...
  • Why did the Pro-Panic coalition triumph in 2020? We have had three years and more to think about this. I don’t know,

    I was basically a class war. The Laptop Class was giving a big FU to the dirty fingernails class. I don’t mean to oversimplify things, but that’s what it was.

    • Replies: @MGB
    @Intelligent Dasein

    It was a coalition of the high and low against the middle class, or at least the latest stage of one coalition. A high tech and high finance alliance with hysterical females and their eunuchs, and the LGBTQ transhumanists, both low in the sense of their historical grievances. In this case, the racial minorities didn’t fully buy in to the discrimination tale about African Americans not getting their fair share of the jab. High finance picks at the corpse of the bourgeois small business class, high tech gets their surveillance state (and reduces their commercial real estate foot print saving billions) the surveillance state including millions now working from home who have invited their nosy, megalomaniacal boss into their home. All of this is aided by ‘science’, which admittedly ‘made some mistakes’ at the beginning. It’s not as if ‘science’ wasn’t plotting with the security state. No, not that. For all of the piling on now of woke scientists, the reproducibility crisis pre-dates female power lifting anthropologists coming on to the seen. So much for the halcyon days of science.

  • One of the funnier positioning ploys is how Richard Hanania, the former Richard Hoste, has (at least so far successfully) fortified himself against cancellation as an "extremist" by going all in on Bryan Caplan's Open Borders craziness. Hanania writes: Uh ...
  • @Anonymous
    @Art Deco


    The heyday for early marriage in this country was the 1950s. Sixty years earlier, the median age at 1st marriage was about three years later.
     
    My grandmother hadn't even had her first period at 16.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    My grandmother hadn’t even had her first period at 16.

    What, did she tell you that over Sunday supper some time? Did your grandfather lead off the conversation?

    “Hey Murgatroyd, how’s the beaver doing? Why don’t you tell us all about your age of menarche. I’ll get the cider ready.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Intelligent Dasein


    What, did she tell you that over Sunday supper some time? Did your grandfather lead off the conversation?

    “Hey Murgatroyd, how’s the beaver doing? Why don’t you tell us all about your age of menarche. I’ll get the cider ready.”
     

    Heh.

    My mother mentioned it while discussing the modern diet and its effect on hormones.

    Though grandmother used to tell us about far more embarrassing things over Sunday supper, so it wouldn't have been too surprising to learn about it that way.

  • One view of science is that that it tends to be reductionist, making it easier to deal with the complexity of reality by lumping down to useful, workable simplifications such as male vs. female. A more popular view lately is that, well, actually, The Science is inherently splitterific, meaning that everything is vastly more complicated...
  • @Hail
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Thank you, Intelligent Dasein, for the praise of the contributions I tried to make in 2020.

    At the risk of being accused by some third-party of "sycophancy," I regard you as one of the best commenters here, offering insights or sometimes contrarian views that are always worth reading.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    I appreciate your kind words, Hail.

    You were one of the few—one of the very few—commenters who always wrote straight during the Covid nightmare. It was you, Almost Missouri, Mike Tre, and myself who never lost our heads in that horrible time. As a result, I always look forward to a “Hail” post with a high degree of anticipation. I was a bit disappointed by that one, is all.

    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "You were one of the few—one of the very few—commenters who always wrote straight during the Covid nightmare. It was you, Almost Missouri, Mike Tre, and myself who never lost our heads in that horrible time."

    And never forget Je Suis - inventor of Facediaper and Get Out Live Life!, a man possessed of fully functioning brains and balls who NEVER complied with unlawful coronahoax mandates, a man that remembers his eighth grade exponents (h/t IQ214) and groks that 94.1% <<< 99.86%. You're so very welcome 😘😘😘

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

  • @Hail
    @Arclight


    ‘climate change’
     

    an example of the mechanisms behind a phenomena being too complex for any model to predict.
     
    Steve Sailer has made clear that he is not a supporter of the Climate Change "agenda" and has mocked Climate-icon Greta Thunberg on multiple occasions since 2019 (after her ascent, between mid-2018 to about mid-2019; from quaint Swedish-schoolgirl scolding people in a Lisa Simpson-like way about greenhouse-gas emissions, to Climate Princess and Global Climate Icon).

    Here, in a post dated February 23, 2020 ("Greta Thunberg: A Princess of Our Disorder"), just before the Corona-Panic threw cold water over every other issue, we see Mr. Sailer attacking Greta Thunberg. Quote from Steve Sailer:


    [Greta Thunberg] takes up climate activism and her parents find that it is good therapy for her mental illnesses, so they are proud of her.

    One theory of mental illness is that it’s a zero sum game: the more you offload your mental illness onto other people, the better you feel personally...
     

    So he is suggesting extreme Climate Activism may in part be driven by "mental illness."

    Steve Sailer has also stated that he is more worried about nuclear war than climate change ("Let's Not Have a Nuclear War," iSteve blog, Feb. 22, 2022).

    But has he expressed any position in the Climate Change Modelling controversy?

    Last year, Steve Sailer criticized one particular Climate Modelling contribution to the race-and-crime question in the USA, a competing hypothesis to his own: "Guardian: Climate Change Is What Led to the Murder Surge During the Black Lives Matter Era."

    I find no case, readily available, in which Sailer directly attacks climate modelling per se. It doesn't seem to be one of his interests.

    Replies: @Santoculto, @Harry Baldwin, @That Would Be Telling, @Erik L, @Muggles, @Intelligent Dasein

    What are you, Steve Sailer’s freaking PR rep? Is he paying you for this?

    You used to write interesting things here back in the Covid days, when you were rightly taking Steve to task for his utterly worthless commentary on that subject. Now you’re just wall-to-wall Steve Sailer boosterism. This kind of sycophancy earns the admiration of nobody.

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Thank you, Intelligent Dasein, for the praise of the contributions I tried to make in 2020.

    At the risk of being accused by some third-party of "sycophancy," I regard you as one of the best commenters here, offering insights or sometimes contrarian views that are always worth reading.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

  • One of the funnier positioning ploys is how Richard Hanania, the former Richard Hoste, has (at least so far successfully) fortified himself against cancellation as an "extremist" by going all in on Bryan Caplan's Open Borders craziness. Hanania writes: Uh ...
  • @Jim Don Bob
    @Mike Tre

    I found Milo somewhat amusing, but he got cancelled real hard for saying he liked adolescent boys, which is NOT pedophilia. It's the gay equivalent of men wanting to screw 16 year old girls.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Anonymous, @Mike Tre, @Dumbo

    It’s the gay equivalent of men wanting to screw 16 year old girls.

    The hell it is. A 16-year-old girl is a sexually mature female and if a sexually mature male has sex with her, they are fulfilling the intent of nature even if nothing else. Male-on-male sodomy is unnatural for men of any age, for any reason, and when practiced with a 16-year-old, also corrupts the youth.

    There is no moral equivalence between these acts. No one on this side of politics ever should have given his endorsement to Milo.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
  • As a man, I've probably been mansplained to more than 98% of women have, precisely because men sense that I may very well be interested in their extremely detailed explanations of things of zero concern to me personally. Which I often am. Perhaps mansplaining is the fault of guys like me because we tend to...
  • @jb
    @Bill Jones

    I agree that the George Floyd incident has been grossly misrepresented, but it has nothing to do with fentanyl. This is yet another example of rightists screwing themselves by gloming on to "hoax" narratives while missing the true point. I watched the trial carefully, and came to the reluctant conclusion that under Minnesota law the guilty verdict was indeed reasonable. Addicts can survive much higher concentrations of drugs in their blood than non-addicts, so there is no guarantee that the fentanyl by itself would have killed Floyd. And the law was quite clear that Chauvin could still be found guilty of murder even if fentanyl also contributed to Floyd's death. Beyond that, I have no sympathy for a cop who continues kneeling on a handcuffed suspect's neck (or back, or whatever you nitpickers) for three minutes after his partner says he can't find a pulse. Chauvin was being an asshole cop, someone died, and he paid the price. Please don't try to make him a glorious martyr for the cause.

    The true counter-narrative should focus on two simple and indisputable points:

    1) There is absolutely no evidence that George Floyd's death had anything to do with race or racism. It was never even alleged that Chauvin or any of the other officers said or did anything that would imply any sort of racial bias against Floyd. The "fact" that it was a "racist killing" is based entirely on the fact that "everyone knows" that's what it was.

    2) The same sort of thing happens to white people too (e.g., Tony Timpa and Danial Shaver). Such incidents don't feed into the moral panic over racism, so the mainstream media finds them uninteresting and doesn't report them, leading people to think that only blacks die this way, so what else could it be but racism? The possibility that the police are not racist, that they are simply fallible humans who screw up sometimes, never enters the discussion.

    All of the social changes stemming from the Floyd hysteria have been powered by the sense that Floyd's death proved once and for all that the anti-racists were totally right about America, that almost 60 years after the Civil Rights Act it remains a deeply and intransigently racist society, and so extreme measures are justified. This is the false perception that must be fought. Quibbling over highly arguable issues like whether George Floyd had enough fentanyl in his blood to kill him doesn't help.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Anonymous, @Nicholas Stix, @Hypnotoad666

    I 100% agree and thank you. I was writing similar comments when the trial was going on (to what response you can well imagine).

    My brief with the Right’s response to this whole unfortunate situation was that it doesn’t ultimately matter what killed George Floyd. Even if I’m dying of an overdose, that doesn’t give a police officer the right to pin me to the ground until I’m good and dead. Derek Chauvin, as a police officer, would have been trained in first aid and would have had a first aid kit in his car with naloxone in it. He could have attempted to render some type of aid. The way he handled the situation was inexcusable.

    I also don’t want to hear about what a horrible human being George Floyd was, which I don’t dispute. Police officers have to be held to a higher standard. You know when you take that job that you will be dealing with a lot of human filth, and that resuscitating an overdosing junkie in your custody is one of the unsavory but necessary duties of a peace officer in a civilized society. The police are not remitted to perform public euthanasia, even if society would be better off without someone like Floyd.

    What Derek Chauvin did was a crime. Even if it was a bit of a stretch for the murder statute, the optics were bad enough that a conviction was probably inevitable. It’s very unfortunate that this “played into the racial panic,” as you put it. In the interests of justice, it should be explained again and again that this was not a racially motivated murder. You are correct about that as well.

    • Replies: @Art Deco
    @Intelligent Dasein

    that doesn’t give a police officer the right to pin me to the ground until I’m good and dead.
    ==
    He was under arrest and was bouncing off the walls in the squad car. That's why he was taken out and told to lie down on the pavement. An ambulance was called. It arrived late because the duffers initially went to the wrong address. Floyd was not mistreated and Chauvin and the others did nothing that injured him.
    ==
    Your complaint amounts to a proclamation that the officer has no powers of arrest. It is not serious.

  • One of the funnier positioning ploys is how Richard Hanania, the former Richard Hoste, has (at least so far successfully) fortified himself against cancellation as an "extremist" by going all in on Bryan Caplan's Open Borders craziness. Hanania writes: Uh ...
  • @Guest007
    A similar question that Americans would understand better: Would one rather attend (or have one's children or grandchildren attend) a 4000 student high school with 2000 white students and 2000 black students or a 1000 student high school with 800 white students and 200 black students.

    The larger high school would have more white students and would be able to offer more electives but the 2000 black students would act as a single clique whereas the white students would be divided up across several cliques. Thus, a 50% black/50% white high school would function as a de facto black dominated high school that the white students would be looking to get out of however possible (white flight).

    The smaller high school would have fewer electives and not able to offer some advanced classes but the black population would probably be small enough so that it did not dominate the culture of the school. The white students could find their niche and probably succeed.

    Given white flight and private school tuition, fleeing blacks is a huge motivator of whites. Yet, Hanania is consciously ignoring the behavioral preferences of most whites.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @anon

    The larger high school would have more white students and would be able to offer more electives but the 2000 black students would act as a single clique whereas the white students would be divided up across several cliques.

    Right. Neither in American ghettos nor back in Africa has it ever been known that black people divided into tribes or gangs that practiced violence against other blacks.

    • Replies: @Guest007
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Obviously written by someone who did not attend a school with a large number of black students. No one, even blacks, knows how to describe cliques of blacks in an all black school. Yet, every white student from the most rural high school to the most expensive college prep private school can easily talk about the cliques that existed in their school.

    All those divisions among blacks disappear if there is a sizable white or Hispanic population because all of the black kids will define themselves as black first. The best real world example is blacks vote 95% for Democrats and black politicians have almost zero fear of being primaried in the Democratic Party primary unlike white conservative live in fear of being primaried.

  • As a man, I've probably been mansplained to more than 98% of women have, precisely because men sense that I may very well be interested in their extremely detailed explanations of things of zero concern to me personally. Which I often am. Perhaps mansplaining is the fault of guys like me because we tend to...
  • There’s a plethora of these neologisms flying around out there that I just don’t understand the meaning of, and “mansplaining” is one of them. I have no idea what that means.

    Just like I do not know hardly any of the names that Men of Unz discuss and have such strong opinions about. Richard Hanania?

    You have to belong to a certain class or mindset to have these things appear in your world as significant, and I don’t belong to it. I may have judgments about that class but I have no judgments within that class and I’m not really interested in learning the lingo. Sure, I could just look up what “mansplaining” means, but I still would never possess the term inwardly or be able to use it comfortably. It will remain forever foreign to me.

    I will only add that, from an outsider’s perspective, it’s always a little amusing that the Men of Unz belong so fully to the very same culture they gripe about. When it comes to the Alt-Right or Dissident Right or whatever it’s called these days, every one of their complaints is actually a projection of a defect they are conscious of within themselves.

    When they talk about other races being “tribal,” that is only their way of confessing that they themselves feel no strong ties to any community. Then they project their own personal sperginess onto the entire white race, deriding them for their “universalism” (often rather puzzlingly blamed on Christianity), while forgetting that this contrasts completely with that other supposed race-trait of European peoples, viz. a penchant for building high-trust, K-selected societies (also bizarrely blamed on Christianity). Since “high-trust societies” cannot practically exist without strong in-group preference (otherwise, why would you trust your neighbor if he was ready to extend the same loyalty to every jonnie-come-lately as to yourself?), there is no effective way to be both “high-trust” and “universal.” But no matter, contradictions aside, it’s all supposedly explained by HBD—although Christianity still suffices as a convenient whipping boy in certain moods, despite the fact that if you adhere strictly to the logic of HBD, it cannot be both.

    That explains what HBD really is. When a spergy, disaffected white man, who has often played the fool in the past—either by failing with women or getting displaced by foreign workers or getting “mugged by reality” (they call this “taking the red pill”)—finds himself in need of a theory to resolve his cognitive dissonance, HBD appears to explain why the drummer he was following didn’t lead him to a better place. It also helps that HBD is rooted in a substratum of Darwinian evolutionary theory, since this serves as a convenient FU to the low-church evangelical Christianity he’s trying to distance himself from, which is the only form of Christianity he understands.

    As a bonus, has anyone noticed that Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism is essentially just Sailer’s Law of Sailer Journalism projected onto females, i.e. “Come the revolution, I will be seen as better than I am seen now?” Just take a look at blurbs helpfully gathered by Hail.

    I’m not interested in blaming others. We are all human after all, and weak. But this stuff needs to be seen for what it is.

    • Thanks: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Just take a look at blurbs helpfully gathered by Hail.
     
    Some better blurbs here:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/your-favorite-isteve-one-liners/#comment-5908879 (#185)
  • One of the funnier positioning ploys is how Richard Hanania, the former Richard Hoste, has (at least so far successfully) fortified himself against cancellation as an "extremist" by going all in on Bryan Caplan's Open Borders craziness. Hanania writes: Uh ...
  • @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Clifford Brown

    It's weird. The revealed preferences of the vast majority of people, even in the One Billion Americans Club, is for single-family housing with a yard for lebensraum. Either they're pure hypocritical evil (low density-living, Viking gas range, 5,000 sq ft house, blue-water yacht for me, and 600 sq ft apartment, eat the bugs, work in the cube for thee) or they have an absolutely deranged degree of cognitive disconnect.

    Replies: @Alexander Turok, @Intelligent Dasein, @iffen

    The revealed preferences of the vast majority of people, even in the One Billion Americans Club, is for single-family housing with a yard for lebensraum.

    I have to disagree with that. The suburban house is simply the least bad realistic option for most people, but it isn’t what they really want. America doesn’t provide many options other than the suburbs or renting an apartment in the crap-hole cities. We don’t build small, affordable homes and we don’t encourage homesteading or small farms. The average guy has no chance but to strive for that mortgage that beats him down for 30 years.

    • Replies: @Luke Lea
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You might like this alternative to suburbia: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00U0C9HKW

    Short version:

    In this work of imaginative non-fiction, Luke Lea explores a world of new country towns in which people work part-time outside the home and in their free time build their own houses, garden, cook and care for their children and grandchildren, and pursue hobbies and other outside interests. The live on small, three-generation homesteads and get around town in lightweight electric cars that go 30 mph. etc.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  • I've been noting for several years the unintentionally hilarious rise of the Black Rest movement. For example, from the new issue of The New Yorker:
  • @J.Ross
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Are you familiar with the Art Renewal Center?
    https://www.artrenewal.org/

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Intelligent Dasein

    That’s very nice, thank you. I was not familiar with it.

  • @Buzz Mohawk
    The great French painter Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres covered this all the way back in the year 1814.


    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ab/5f/56/ab5f56208cde6181cb7696df656cf781.jpg


    And do you know that is the only, full, uncensored copy I can find on the internet now?! Odalisque is a classic, reclining nude painting, and in our day, on our magical "tech" internet, she is wiped out!

    I just discovered this fact while searching for a suitable copy to post here. I took some art history classes, and she figured prominently, so that is why I was looking for one of the most famous reclining nudes, and I could barely find a good, full copy!

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Buzz Mohawk, @Intelligent Dasein, @Roger, @Anonymous, @Ben Kurtz, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I was looking for one of the most famous reclining nudes, and I could barely find a good, full copy!

    I often run into that problem. It’s surprisingly hard to find good scans of classic artwork online. Likewise for PDFs. It frequently happens that I want to refresh my memory on a passage from some scholarly work, long out of copyright, that I read years ago, and I assume that there would be a PDF somewhere online that I could find with 3 or 4 searches, but finding one that isn’t paywalled is getting more and more difficult.

    This didn’t used to be the case. But as I’ve said before, the internet is a case study in Gresham’s Law. The bad money drives out the good. In the age of counterfeit information, real truths are dearly purchased.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Are you familiar with the Art Renewal Center?
    https://www.artrenewal.org/

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Intelligent Dasein

  • The FBI has finally released its Uniform Crime Reporting summary of local police department reports for 2022. Almost exactly as I estimated way back in January, homicides in 2022 were down 6% since their peak in 2021, but still far above the pre-George Floyd year of 2019. For, literally, decades the FBI has been trying...
  • @Aeoli Pera
    "black victims accounted for 53.3% in 2022, down from 55.0% in 2021, but up from 55.0% in 2019."

    Typo.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Intelligent Dasein

    “And Kansas City is at Chicago tonight, or is it Chicago at Kansas City? Well, no matter as Kansas City leads in the eighth 4 to 4.”

    — Jerry Coleman

  • Mostly, I've been depressed by recent horrific events in the Middle East, so haven't had much to say on the topic. But you probably do, so what do you think?
  • @Charlotte Allen
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Oh, come on!

    There was an explosion in the hospital parking lot. People got killed (not 500 but surely some) because the Islamic Jihad can't shoot straight as usual. I'm sorry, but why do the Gazans keep voting for this stuff? Paragliding into a rock concert and raping the 18-year-old girls--mmm!

    I'm not with Jack D. on "I Heart Ukraine," and I think the only good thing about the Israel-Hamas war is that we don't have to look at yet another photo of that grifter Zelensky in his John Fetterman costume coming to Congress with hat in hand trying to weasel more taxpayer money out of us. But on this issue Jack is right.

    This is sad. Just when I'm getting kind of interested in Thomist metaphysics, I get E. Michael Jones II as its leading exponent.

    Another good thing to come out of the Israel-Gaza war: Nikki Haley is toast.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Intelligent Dasein

    This is sad. Just when I’m getting kind of interested in Thomist metaphysics, I get E. Michael Jones II as its leading exponent.

    That’s a bit too far, Charlotte. My sympathies are with the Palestinians here, but I’ve made it clear many times that I do not blame the Jews for the ills of Western society. In fact, I’ve caught a lot of flak for not blaming them.

    I find the whole JQ to be a farfetched and somewhat tedious red herring, and I don’t devote much thought to it. Please don’t let anything I’ve said put you off from exploring Thomism. If I’ve said anything that offends you, I am sorry.

    • Replies: @Charlotte Allen
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Well, even Ilhan Omar doesn't want to die on the hill that is the supposed Israeli hospital bombing. Rashida Tlaib is holding firm, however. Rashida Tlaib and the Men of Unz.

    The Gazans have had 17 years to get rid of Hamas if they don't like living in a country run by Hamas. But they do, and so do their legions of sympathizers in the West. I don't know what the Israelis are supposed to do when Hama launches an "attack" that consists of murdering families on kibbutzes and goofball teenagers at a "rave for peace." Then runs back to Gaza to pretend to be just nice civilians grilling their shawarmas. Israel has an obligation not to target grandmas, little children, and hospital patients and their doctors, which it seems to be trying to do.

    I've been to Israel and the West Bank. The situation there is impossible: It's a classic case of two objects determined to occupy the same space at the same time. But I firmly believe that Jews deserve a homeland in the place that even the Romans couldn't kick them out of, and Israel is in fact a very pleasant place to be. The irony is that Gaza could be, too. It could be a Mediterranean beach resort--except that the Gazans prefer the thrill of eternal martyrdom that Hamas promises.

    Thank you for the apology, though. I won't give up on Thomism, since it seems to make more sense than anything else around.

  • @HammerJack
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Thought experiment. If Jack D were actually paid hasbara, exactly what about his posts would be different? Might they be shorter, for instance?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    I’d guess they would be less obviously self-beclowning. A good propagandist would be able to generate some sympathy, whereas Jack D generates none.

    • Agree: HammerJack
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    A good propagandist would be able to generate some sympathy, whereas Jack D generates none.
     
    Indeed, if anything, Jack D actually seems to arouse more anti-Jewish sentiments with his antics. One is almost tempted to think of him as a pretend-Jew who is trying to increase anti-Semitism.

    Replies: @HammerJack

  • @Jack D
    So Biden's trip has been upended by the terrorists bombing their own hospital and blaming it on Israel. Conspiracy theorists would say that they did this intentionally but I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

    It appears what happened is that Islamic Jihad was firing rockets at Israel from the cemetery directly behind the hospital and one fell short and landed in the hospital parking lot. At that point the rocket was still full of fuel and caused a big fire as well as a blast from the explosion of the warhead. The damage looks nothing like the damage from an Israeli (American) JDAM which would have left a crater where the hospital used to be.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29uMPcm-Bug

    There is now plentiful evidence that this is what happened but the narrative on the Arab street is that "the Israelis bombed a hospital" and that is the narrative that has stuck and is causing vast anger in the Arab world despite being totally false. Hamas has in effect lucked into a big propaganda victory.

    These people have no moral ground to stand on. First of all, what Hamas did the other day was equally if not more vile than bombing a hospital so they are in no position to complain about atrocities being committed on them. Second, if this same IJ rocket had landed on a hospital in Tel Aviv, they would be dancing in the street and handing out candy. They really don't object to killing civilians at all, they just want to be the ones doing the killing.

    But none of this makes any difference. Hamas instantly got out in front of the information war and posed all these dead babies and so on (even though by that point at least some portions of Hamas knew that this was a IJ rocket) and this is the image that has stuck. And any attempt to flip the narrative is just going to be taken as "Israeli lies" at this point no matter how much evidence is presented to the contrary.

    War is unpredictable. Lots of wars (Spanish American War, Vietnam War) have been triggered by explosions that may not have actually been enemy action at all but once the narrative sticks it's very difficult to change it. This is just bad luck for Biden and for the Israelis.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Jonathan Mason, @YetAnotherAnon, @Colin Wright, @ydydy, @Joe Stalin, @Citizen of a Silly Country, @TontoBubbaGoldstein, @Anonymous, @Intelligent Dasein, @fredyetagain aka superhonky, @Anon, @New Dealer, @Bugg, @Colin Wright, @Buzz Mohawk, @International Jew, @Moses

    Jack D, running cover for globalist murderers on auto-approval while truth suffers the whim. I guess they don’t make dissident websites like they used to. Welcome to the new world of noticing.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Why do you call Israel "globalist"? It is usually labeled (and blamed as) a hypernationalist country. Sometimes the "imperialist" variation is used, but it could be objected that expansionism is not always synonymous to imperialism, and anyway imperialism is not the same as globalism.

    , @HammerJack
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Thought experiment. If Jack D were actually paid hasbara, exactly what about his posts would be different? Might they be shorter, for instance?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @Charlotte Allen
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Oh, come on!

    There was an explosion in the hospital parking lot. People got killed (not 500 but surely some) because the Islamic Jihad can't shoot straight as usual. I'm sorry, but why do the Gazans keep voting for this stuff? Paragliding into a rock concert and raping the 18-year-old girls--mmm!

    I'm not with Jack D. on "I Heart Ukraine," and I think the only good thing about the Israel-Hamas war is that we don't have to look at yet another photo of that grifter Zelensky in his John Fetterman costume coming to Congress with hat in hand trying to weasel more taxpayer money out of us. But on this issue Jack is right.

    This is sad. Just when I'm getting kind of interested in Thomist metaphysics, I get E. Michael Jones II as its leading exponent.

    Another good thing to come out of the Israel-Gaza war: Nikki Haley is toast.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Intelligent Dasein

  • From Noah Smith. Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing. Everybody around the world speaks English these days and everybody's on the WWW, so there is more influence on young Americans from Continental European ideologies than when I was a kid. For example, I never heard of Carl Schmitt until I was 40, and I...
  • @AnotherDad
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Right, and another point is that the incentive for engineering (use of the word correctly for a CHANGE) new devices would be increased without the flood of cheap nation-wrecking labor.
     
    Bingo. Prosperity is achieved by raising the productivity of labor, either through applying new, better methods/technology or more capital. The ability to do that--mostly the "human capital" to do that--is what makes a "rich nation" rich.

    Cheap labor is destructive of that productivity enhancing, prosperity creating process. Heck, it can even reverse it. Instead of a guy in bulldozer, replacing 100 men with shovels, we have a white guy with a backhoe--earning a decent wage--replaced by a half dozen Guatemalans wielding picks. And the incentive for future productivity boosting technologies--automated fast food joints, robo hotel room clearners, etc. etc.--is suppressed in favor of ... more immigration! Immigrants who not only displace and help impoverish Americans, but whose children, of course, won't be capable of designing and building the next generation of productivity boosting innovations.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Intelligent Dasein, @Anonymous

    And the incentive for future productivity boosting technologies–automated fast food joints, robo hotel room clearners, etc. etc.

    Automation by itself does not increase productivity. It is energy inputs that increase productivity, and automation ought to be thought of rather as a way to capitalize those energy inputs than as a thing in itself. In a zero-sum game where more energy was not available, then automation would actually reduce productivity because it would replace a simple manual process by a complex Rube Goldberg contraption which itself would require more of the limited energy to produce.

    This is the real answer to the question of why other peoples and civilizations did not have an Industrial Revolution, which is sometimes asked rhetorically to show forth the supposed superiority of the white race. It wasn’t because the white race was so darn superior, it was because other civilizations did not have vast energy surpluses that could be capitalized and therefore having an Industrial Revolution would have been highly inefficient. It would have been like devoting yourself to building a working automobile when you did not have a drivable road network to use it on.

  • From the Washington Post news section: SOCIAL ISSUES Race isn’t real, science says. Advocates want the census to reflect that. A small but vocal group of professionals and academics imagine a future where categories don’t matter By Sydney Trent Updated October 16, 2023 at 9:27 a.m. EDT ... Racial categories, assigned to people based on...
  • Both the HBDers and the Washington Post are parsing the subject incorrectly when they equate race with biology and biology with DNA. There is another way to look at this which breaks free of that materialist paradigm and actually explains things correctly. You can see that the HBD argument and the nonbiological argument are simply two sides of the same coin when you analyze carefully what each side is saying.

    Washington Post: “If race was real it would have to be biological, which means it would show up in the DNA. But all human beings are 99.99% genetically identical, which means that, biologically speaking at least, race is not a valid scientific term. Race may refer to a real quality according to certain definitions of race, but it isn’t biological.”

    HBD: Race is real and biological, and real because it is biological. All biological differences reduce to differences in DNA, and that 0.01% difference is significant enough to determine the racial groupings of man, which are valid scientific terms.”

    We need not accept the reductionism. There is a third way to approach the subject that neither side seems to have cognized, viz. “What if race is real and not biological?” To see why this is so, there are two reductions that need to be defeated: the reduction of race to biology and the reduction of biology to DNA. Let’s begin with the latter.

    1. Biology cannot be reduced to DNA. There are more than enough examples from solid, laboratory biology to show that there is no one-to-one correspondence between genotype and phenotype. Genes can be altered without producing any phenotypic change (cf. the unusual karyotypes of many domesticated plants), and phenotypic change can occur in the absence of genetic changes (i.e. cloned animals are sometimes different in appearance and temperament from their genetically identical parents). Given the broad degree of genetic overlap amongst all life on Earth, many examples of which have already been cited in this thread (i.e. the 70% overlap between man and bananas), the prosaic explanation is that genetic differences are not very significant. It is not more explanatory to say that men and field mice share 95% of their DNA than it is to say that men and field mice are both animals made of flesh. We already know that; it doesn’t begin to encapsulate the essential differences between them.

    2. Race cannot be reduced to biology.Once we demystify DNA and start to regard it as just another component of a body rather than the origin of that body, it becomes clear that nothing about the physical body (including its DNA) actually explains race. Rather, race is revealed in the body, including by the DNA. If being of the African race does not simply mean having black skin, then it does not simply mean having black DNA, either.

    One thing I have learned from arguing with HBDers over the years is that they are much more fanatically committed to defending the proposition that “race is biological” than they are to defending the proposition that “race is real.” If you tell them race is real but not biological, they domn’t even want to hear about it even though it actually strengthens their own case.

  • You hear optimists saying all the time that Woke is past its peak. But it sure looks like the Great Awokening still has a ton of institutional momentum as big, slow-moving organizations continue to implement ridiculous policies emanating from the 2020-21 "racial reckoning." For example, from the Willamette Week: The Portland Art Museum Ditches Its...
  • @Intelligent Dasein

    Is Woke Really Past Its Peak?
     
    Well, it's certainly past its stage of novelty and naivete. We are no longer in Faust, Part One where it looks like the deal with the devil may not be so bad after all. The masks are off and the ugly face of Woke is apparent for all to see.

    Between Covid, Ukraine, an incipient inflation and debt crisis, and now Gaza, the complete absurdity of American policy, both foreign and domestic, is no longer possible to ignore. The moments of clarity are coming with accelerating frequency. I believe most ordinary people are quite out of patience with this stuff and will make for the exits when they appear. "Woke" has no support on the ground and is entirely a function of official propaganda. That situation is not stable, and it will not last.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    And I forgot to add, the deliberate chaos at the border.

  • From Noah Smith. Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing. Everybody around the world speaks English these days and everybody's on the WWW, so there is more influence on young Americans from Continental European ideologies than when I was a kid. For example, I never heard of Carl Schmitt until I was 40, and I...
  • East Asians don’t seem to have much influence online at all.

    The medium is the message, Steve. The Chinese repurposed their entire internet into a gigantic social credit system that the Western governments are meekly trying to imitate by having Joe Biden make personal phone calls to his political officers over in the Twitter salary group, telling them what not to publish. The East Asian influence over the medium far exceeds anything that most Westerners can even comprehend.

    The other idea here, viz. the idea that Americans are becoming radicalized by reading Continental philosophy online, is something I just cannot see at all.

  • You hear optimists saying all the time that Woke is past its peak. But it sure looks like the Great Awokening still has a ton of institutional momentum as big, slow-moving organizations continue to implement ridiculous policies emanating from the 2020-21 "racial reckoning." For example, from the Willamette Week: The Portland Art Museum Ditches Its...
  • @Steve Sailer
    @Ennui

    Good one.

    One cause of the current popularity of Jewish-centric accounts of U.S. history, both pro-Semitic and anti-Semitic, is because Jews remain fascinated with their history and write about it, while Protestant Americans have gotten awfully bored with theirs. For example, I have a 1971 Encyclopedia Brittanica. It's absolutely stuffed with articles about American Protestant clergymen of the 17th to 20th Centuries, 99% of whom I've never heard of. Evidently, they were considered a big deal in the past. But almost nobody is interested in them today. (Maybe, the late Cormac McCarthy and the Coen Brothers are.)

    The reality of American history is that it was mostly some white Protestants doing X and other white Protestants doing Y, but we've largely lost interest in the dramatis personae.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @The Last Real Calvinist, @Dmon, @Drywall Hammer, @Ennui, @Mike Tre

    Protestantism, being unconstrained by traditional creedal or liturgical forms, is dependent on the power of individual personalities to shape the message. The great Protestant clergyman is above all a good speaker and/or a good writer and is able to captivate with his presence. The Protestant ministers of the past were the social media influencers of their day.

    Now we have other influencers, but the spirit of old, mainline Protestantism has transferred itself to the new media without missing a beat. This explains both why contemporary Americans prefer to get their theology from TV hostesses, movie stars, and crooners, and why the clergymen of the past embraced the proto-Wokeness of abolitionism and suffrage.

    It’s all the same thing, and it points to a Flaw in the American national character and the Enlightenment attitude that wants its religion personal, entertaining, and reformed.

  • Is Woke Really Past Its Peak?

    Well, it’s certainly past its stage of novelty and naivete. We are no longer in Faust, Part One where it looks like the deal with the devil may not be so bad after all. The masks are off and the ugly face of Woke is apparent for all to see.

    Between Covid, Ukraine, an incipient inflation and debt crisis, and now Gaza, the complete absurdity of American policy, both foreign and domestic, is no longer possible to ignore. The moments of clarity are coming with accelerating frequency. I believe most ordinary people are quite out of patience with this stuff and will make for the exits when they appear. “Woke” has no support on the ground and is entirely a function of official propaganda. That situation is not stable, and it will not last.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Intelligent Dasein

    And I forgot to add, the deliberate chaos at the border.

  • The world-historical question at the moment is whether American Jews -- who are, arguably, the single most influential politically mobilizable group in the modern globe -- will figure out that Woke anti-white hatred is inherently anti-Semitic. Or will they assume the solution must be tripling down yet again on promoting racist anti-white hatred as the...
  • @Ennui
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus,

    I'm not Alt-right. If some of my opinions resemble theirs, that's unfortunate as I believe their ideology historically ignorant, malicious, and not useful. Because they have not correctly diagnosed the source of the problem, they will never fix it.

    The men who ratified the Constitution and set the tone for the next 200 plus years were either English or Angliciized. I think a few of the latter were of Anglicized Huguenot or New Sweden stock, but the point remains, English Enlightenment principles, particularly Locke, formed the basis of American concepts of individual rights and the relationship between individual, property, and state.

    Some French thinkers, particularly de Montesquieu, were influential, but this was an Anglo-Saxon project.

    I don't think Jews have hoodwinked a righteous, decent group of Anglo-Saxon hobbits into acting against their best interest. That's just coping. I argue that Jewish groups like the neocons have been influential because of the nature of Anglo-Saxon societies. The hawkish, international/liberal, but Jewish tribalistic tendencies, can be seen in the 19th century. I see parallels between Disraeli and the neocons. These individuals are allowed to advocate and influence events because they are allowed to. I am in agreement with you, if one has a problem with the current zeitgeist, one should blame the majority. They are not children, they have agency.

    I would also go further and say that Disraeli and the American neocons do not represent a break with Anglophone traditions, particularly Puritanism and Whigs.. They are very much heirs to it, despite the Alt Right's claims to the contrary. The Alt-Right also ignores the very old tradition of Christian Zionism going back to Cromwell's time.

    Individualism and the pursuit of private property are two cornerstones of Lockean liberalism. Evangelical Christianity is a very individualistic religion, e.g. priesthood of all believers, etc. It has meshed quite well with Lockean liberalism.

    Replies: @Catiline, @Intelligent Dasein

    I completely agree. This sensible comment ought to be the final word to all the Jew-blamers strewn across the alt-internet, but unfortunately it won’t be.

    They aren’t here looking for answers, they’re just here to complain.

  • Here's some good news. There's been a million dollar contest going on to figure out how to use high tech to read a Herculaneum library of extremely fragile scrolls that were damaged by the 79 AD Mt. Vesuvius eruption. They can't be unrolled without crumbling into dust. But now we have particle accelerators. The extremely...
  • @SFG
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Hey, that’s why it fell.

    Seriously, there’s no reason to assume empires of the distant past were run the way they’re run today. Without a printing press everything has to be copied by hand, which is slow as heck. You do what your superior says, and if you have the money you can hire a lawyer who knows this stuff if you get in legal trouble. Most people do their jobs and try to earn a living and stay out of trouble…as today.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Intelligent Dasein

    Without a printing press everything has to be copied by hand, which is slow as heck.

    The ancient world had printing presses, of a sort. Anything that needed to be mass-copied could be set in relief as a galley proof and pressed into tablets of wax or clay. This certainly wasn’t some unknown technology to them.

    The bulk of the unimportant, everyday writing (i.e. the bills and stock quotes and ledgers that are needful at the moment but useless after the fact) was handled this way. It was only the important stuff that was written down and preserved on scrolls.

  • Last year when Dr. Jordan Peterson, the celebrated self-help/pro-Western psychologist, toured occupied Palestine with Zionist-Talmudist Ben Shapiro, interested observers considered it an ill-omen. Mr. Shapiro is one of many anti-Palestinian bigots and war-Zionists roaming the airwaves on Far-Right podcasting. On domestic policies Mr. Shapiro is sometimes a champion of commonsensical traditional values. Yet one must...
  • One of the problems with VDH is that he is a physically ugly man.

    He has the physiognomy of a drunken old atheist—he looks like personified halitosis.

  • Why do Ivy League colleges put a big thumb on the scale in admissions in favor of promising athletes, both in money (e.g., football) and non-money sports (e.g., squash)? From the National Bureau of Economic Research: No Revenge for Nerds? Evaluating the Careers of Ivy League Athletes Natee Amornsiripanitch, Paul Gompers, George Hu, Will Levinson...
  • We also find that athletes from more socioeconomically diverse sports teams and from teams that have lower academic admissions thresholds have higher career outcomes than non-athletes.

    There’s a clue hidden in that statement, but you have to infer it by contraposition.

    A clearer picture would emerge if the study had controlled for parents’ alma mater and socioeconomic status. If it had, I think you would find it to be the case that, among all the students who make it to the Ivy League in the first place, the athletes are more likely to come from the families that are already well-networked, well-connected, and well off, rather than from the hardscrabble group that is still struggling to get into the upper class and is lucky just to be at the Ivies at all.

    Ivy League athletes are your Thurston Howells, not your thirstin’ Howells.

    Thus, you would expect them not only to land in a relatively sweet position, but also to have their eventual success far less negatively impacted by any prior lack of illustriousness, which comes forth in the study as “outperforming” their less-connected peers.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Maybe. Or maybe if you corrected for standardized test scores, you'd find out that
    athlete-level intellects who aren't athletes are more likely to have connections than athletes. After all, at least some athletes are getting admitted to Ivy Leagues just based on their ability to help the teams, but why are their intellectual peers getting admitted?

    , @Redneck Farmer
    @Intelligent Dasein

    And they're hotbeds of WASP Jew haters, too.

  • Serious question: if our nation is being invaded by illegal aliens, what's the point of funding an Army/Navy/Air Force/Marines/Space Force? [Army-Navy game hotel reservations canceled due to influx of migrants in Massachusetts, CBS News, October 4, 2023]: FOXBORO - It is one of the most anticipated games in college football and this year it is...
  • @AceDeuce
    Welp, speaking as a veteran myself, I don't give 1/1000 of half a microfk about this.

    The kind of people spending massive bucks to travel to the Army-Navy game are pretty much affluent suburban dwelling academy grads, who spent their military careers cucking and jiving. You know: "wE'rE aLl AmErIcAnS" and "i DoN't SeE cOlOr". So why not give up these rooms to our newest Americans? Maybe give up their game tickets to them, too.

    The story that I read also mentioned that other would be attendees were able to get rooms but were "worried" about there being illegals in the same hotel. So Big Brave Armyman and Popeye the Sailor are scared of diversity? Sad!

    Seems like that lot needs to feel some pain to empathize with less fortunate Americans who have long been screwed over far more seriously while our economic and social overclass have escaped any inconvenience. I say hit 'em where they live.

    So if Admiral Phuckface has to drink his Bloody Marys and watch the game at his mansion in a leafy all-White suburb, oh well.

    Replies: @Blondie Callahan 1970, @Intelligent Dasein

    The kind of people spending massive bucks to travel to the Army-Navy game are pretty much affluent suburban dwelling academy grads,

    This.

    Anybody who is swipple enough to go to an out-of-town college football game is the kind of person who votes for this stuff in the first place, so screw them.

    If you want to feel bad for someone, feel bad for the normal American citizens who are having their lives disrupted by endless immivasion.

    • Thanks: AceDeuce
  • Back in 1992, East Palo Alto, CA briefly became the murder capital of America with 42 killings. So an enterprising Stanford professor invented a acoustics listening devices for triangulating where gunshots were fired: ShotSpotter. Ever since, ShotSpotter has been accused of racism since it tends to find that the most gunshots are fired in black...
  • @Gabe Ruth
    Has there ever been a case of these race hustlers getting push back from "the community"? I know it's received wisdom in such places that the police are oppressing said community, but some day they are going to start getting a taste of the necessary consequences of this kind of agitation, and it will be really hard to continue to believe that the police are their biggest problem. Maybe if everybody is related to a criminal or two it's worth the tradeoff even if you personally aren't one.

    Replies: @R.G. Camara, @fish, @Colin Wright, @deep anonymous, @Intelligent Dasein

    Has there ever been a case of these race hustlers getting push back from “the community”?

    In the current ideological regime, probably not. People respond predominantly to short-term incentives. If you want to know what most people will do most of the time, simply look to what is in their own immediate interest. The current sociological setup in America incentivizes victimology of every sort, and it certainly encourages blacks to continue playing the race card. This used to be (and ought to be) the primary criticism of Leftist social ideas.

    It’s not as if people don’t see this. The blacks see it, too; don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. It’s just that human beings of all types—black, white, or whatever—have an immense ability to put up with misery and dysfunction around them when it is in their short-term interest to do so. It isn’t really that surprising. It’s much easier to complain and ask for handouts and to mythologize yourself as a victim than it is to do the gruelling work of rebuilding broken lives and broken neighborhoods, and punishing ne’re-do-wells.

    The only way that human beings have ever been compelled to improve themselves is by closing off the escape hatch of victim mythology. No sympathy, no excuses; you will either behave or you will suffer the consequences. Once you turn off the free money and bring in the police, you’ll get the pushback you seek.

    The only reason that White people achieved a relatively higher standard of civilized life is because they benefitted from century upon century of rigorous and manly Christianity that insisted that there were no excuses for sin. Forgiveness, yes, but not excuses, and forgiveness precisely because there were no excuses. Not because they are “ice people.” Not because they “have a low time preference.” Not because they are “K-selected rather than r-selected.” Not for any of these faggoty-ass, HBD cocksucking fantasy reasons. It’s because they were held to a higher standard. It’s because they were made to.

    You will see improvement in blacks only when they are also held to a higher standard.

  • This video is available on Rumble, BitChute, and Odysee. To be a good American, you are supposed to believe outlandish things about race. You’re supposed to believe it doesn’t exist. That it’s immoral to think it has anything to do with biology. The American Psychological Association has a glossy brochure, written by six PhDs, who...
  • I’d guess most of the visitors here will like this article because they are already disposed to agree with it. However, if you were not so disposed, you would not find much of an argument here that will change your mind. It’s just a bunch of shallow sloganeering.

    Jared Taylor is a clown, a showman, and a buffoon. The divergence between the quality of his actual written work and his reputation as a noble intellectual is about as broad as can be.

    The more I read of HBDers, the less I want to make excuses for them. People like Jared Taylor and Steve Sailer make it extremely difficult to defend what is incidentally correct in their worldview (certainly not the fruit of their own intellectual efforts), such as the fact that racial politics in America is a farcical, illegal, unconstitutional grift. That much is true, but HBD does not add anything to that, and it detracts from the better arguments against it.

    • Disagree: Rich
    • Replies: @martin_2
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Jared Taylor is a clown, a showman, and a buffoon.
     
    This is manifestly untrue.
    , @Priss Factor
    @Intelligent Dasein


    People like Jared Taylor and Steve Sailer make it extremely difficult to defend what is incidentally correct in their worldview (certainly not the fruit of their own intellectual efforts), such as the fact that racial politics in America is a farcical, illegal, unconstitutional grift. That much is true, but HBD does not add anything to that, and it detracts from the better arguments against it.
     
    When push comes to shove, Taylor is a Peter Keating to the Jews.

    You see, Taylor wants to be both pro-white and be approved by Jew(as the master race), the only race worthy of ruling over whites.

    But Jews frown on whites being pro-white.

    So, a cognitive dissonance arises in Taylor's mind. "If Jews are anti-white, shouldn't I be anti-Jewish?"
    But Taylor cannot be anti-Jewish because of his Jewish Master Race ideology. Jews are so powerful and awesome!
    But he can't abandon his pro-white views either.

    So, he's in the limbo state of being a 'bad dog'. Kicked around by Jews as a bad dog but still clinging to the hope of Jewish approval because even a bad dog is a dog, not a human with real pride.

    All said and done, Taylor's pro-white views take a backseat to his Jewish Master Race ideology.

    Of course, Jews play good cop-bad cop on him. Most Jews revile him and applaud his destruction but few Jews pat him on the back. Because Jews are esteemed so highly by HBD as the master race, a compliment from one Jew is emotionally more edifying than the support of a 1000 'mediocre' goyim.

    Look at Jordan Peterson. He wets his wants that big ben shapiro is his friend. It's like watching a dog wag its tail when petted by the master.

    Taylor is a bad dog that looks forward the day when the Jews will favor white dogs over black dogs. He's not a real man like Duke, Fuentes, Keith Woods, E Michael Jones, etc.
  • My dog doesn't chase cars, but she chases squirrels up trees, who then taunt her from a high branch. Lately, her Plan B is to tear down the tree with her teeth like an enraged beaver. I hope I'm not standing there holding the leash in case she ever succeeds.
  • @Stan Adams
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Incidentally, Stephen King hated Kubrick's Shining. He particularly disliked Jack Nicholson's performance.

    King commissioned an ABC miniseries starring Steven Weber (best known for starring in Wings). He regards this version as the "true" cinematic rendition of the story.

    In the mid-'90s ABC had an annual tradition of broadcasting a hugely-hyped King miniseries during May sweeps.

    The miniseries adaptation of The Stand aired in 1994. It was a big deal at the time but it has aged very poorly. It's too cheesy to take seriously but too earnest to enjoy as camp.

    I saw it when it first aired (I was a kid) and it scared the hell out of me. But then I watched it years later and I was amazed by how bad it was.

    I mean, they had Molly Ringwald doing her teen-angst shtick - in 1994! They should have called it Twenty-Six Candles. (More like Thirty-Six Candles, based on her appearance.)

    ABC's 1995 Langoliers miniseries was a total crapfest, but fans of bad movies could savor the wretched CGI and marvel at the spectacle of Bronson Pinchot's unhinged performance.

    The Stand miniseries was just boring.

    Replies: @Captain Tripps, @Intelligent Dasein

    ABC’s 1995 Langoliers miniseries was a total crapfest, but fans of bad movies could savor the wretched CGI and marvel at the spectacle of Bronson Pinchot’s unhinged performance.

    I marveled at the spectacle of Kimber Riddle’s glorious hooters, which was worth the price of admission for me.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Kimber Riddle’s glorious hooters

    I'd be willing to bet that this is the first time in the short history of this sad, tragic planet that those four words have ever been strung togetther in a row.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  • iSteve commenter PaceLaw writes: Iowa, like Wisconsin, is a decent-to-strong Big Ten football program (8-5 last year, 4-1 so far this year) that tends to recruit a team that looks more like its home state's demographics than does, say, the U. of Oregon. Last year, it started two white cornerbacks. Riley Moss was picked in...
  • @res
    @Hypnotoad666

    Thanks. That Quillette piece makes a great reference for the Wikipedia shenanigans in this area. Of course it was written under a pseudonym. Sad that is necessary. The author referenced his (also pseudonymous) paper here. I like the analogy.
    Cognitive Creationism Compared to Young-Earth Creationism
    https://journalofcontroversialideas.org/article/1/1/131


    ABSTRACT

    “Cognitive creationism” is a term for ideologically based rejection of concepts from differential psychology or behavioral genetics. Various authors have compared this practice to young-Earth creationism, but the parallels between the two have not previously been subjected to an in-depth comparison, which is conducted for the first time in this paper. Both views are based on a similar set of psychological needs, and both have developed epistemologically similar worldviews, which draw certain conclusions ahead of time and then interpret all evidence in light of these assumptions. This reversal of the scientific method leads both young-Earth creationists and cognitive creationists to reject large swaths of otherwise well-established research due to its potential to support conclusions they have chosen a priori to reject. Both views also tend to rely on nonparsimonious ad hoc explanations, which are usually not able to reliably predict any future results. The risks posed by cognitive creationism will be discussed, along with potential implications for science education.
     

    Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Intelligent Dasein

    The author referenced his (also pseudonymous) paper here. I like the analogy.
    Cognitive Creationism Compared to Young-Earth Creationism

    That analogy is one of the most idiotic things I’ve ever seen in my life, and its author is a smug moron.

    The concept is actually much older than this paper. I’m quite certain that Michael Shermer did not coin the term unless he was using it back when I was in high school and first heard of it. But whatever its origins, it is revealing of the mental derangement and stupidity of those who continue to use it.

    The problem with a term like “cognitive creationism” is that it implies that creationism has no substantive meaning whatsoever but only adjectival meaning. Whether you are a devotee of Young Earth Creationism or not—and I certainly am not—you should at least be able to agree that the term means something. It means that God created the heavens and the earth at a point roughly corresponding to the beginning of recorded history. The scoffers at “cognitive creationism” completely prescind from this clear and definite meaning and then proceed to define the word “creationism” purely functionally, as an adjective meaning the style of what they perceive to be the mental lapses of their opponents.

    That isn’t what creationism means. It isn’t a style of thought, rigorous or otherwise. It is a theory about the origins of the universe. It cannot be used as an adjective that modifies a noun that refers to a psychological process. That is just verbal nonsense. It literally does not make any sense.

    The people who speak gratingly like that reveal several things about themselves. First of all, they are so arrogant and dismissive of any claims not their own that they actually use the name of their opponents’ theory as a term of abuse. Secondly, they are such sloppy thinkers and show so little facility with language or logic that they can’t even perceive that they are making a glaring category mistake. Calling somebody a “cognitive creationist” because he believes in a tabula rasa theory of mind is like calling somebody who believes in innate ideas a “cognitive Pythagorean” because Descartes believed in innate ideas and Descartes was a mathematician like Pythagoras was.

    You see how completely tortured and ridiculous this language is, like some sort of Aspergy version of cockney rhyme-slang. This is the sort of abysmally sloppy thinking that should never be tolerated in an academic setting, and the fact that these douchebags do not have the self-awareness to realize they are doing it shows you the true quality of their intellects.

  • My dog doesn't chase cars, but she chases squirrels up trees, who then taunt her from a high branch. Lately, her Plan B is to tear down the tree with her teeth like an enraged beaver. I hope I'm not standing there holding the leash in case she ever succeeds.
  • This is pure, disgusting cope on Steve Sailer’s part. Yesterday was an historic day for America and anybody who hopes and strives for something better for their children ought to be just a little bit proud of themselves and proud of Matt Gaetz. The establishment in Washington has unleashed full-blown domestic terrorism against ordinary citizens for years, and Steve Sailer has gone along with it every step of the way. He supported the Covid Hygienic Tyranny. He promulgates the lies about Ukraine. He is silent on the political prosecution of Donald Trump. And now, when someone actually fights back and removes a lying Speaker for continuing to fund a disastrous and unjust war against Russia, all Steve Sailer can do is scoff at it.

    I demand to know why anybody here is still supporting this charlatan.

    • Thanks: Bumpkin
  • @Hypnotoad666
    @Nicholas Stix


    Unfortunately, Byron York is sounding very republican. There’s plenty Matt Gaetz can do with that car, depending on whether he’s a patriot or a republican.
     
    What they do now is elect a new speaker, duh. And whoever it is will now understand that he can't be a lying cuck.

    One thing McCarthy promised to get the job (on the 15th ballot) was that he would release all the J6 video footage. He lied and didn't release it. On that basis alone he needed to go as a matter of principle.

    The next guy will have to promise to full disclosure on J6 and closing the border in return for what the uniparty wants most -- to fund the Ukraine war.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @J.Ross

    The next guy will have to promise to full disclosure on J6 and closing the border in return for what the uniparty wants most — to fund the Ukraine war.

    I am not trading funding for Ukraine in exchange for the border or J6, sorry. The Ukraine aid needs to end, period.

    • Replies: @GeologyAnonMk1Mod1
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You wouldn't trade Ukraine war supplies for comprehensive border security? That surprises me. That would have been the deal I would have pushed for. Seems like a small price to pay to get the border wall built and the inflows of drugs and humans stopped. Maybe end the "economic" aid but I would make military aid contingent on total immigration reform. Have Zelensky and Biden in the room and cameras on when you propose it. Your move, ice cream boy.

    Aside from HARM and Patriot and MALD (of which we have a bazillion AGM-88s and almost as many MALDs though not Patriots) none of the material being sent is really useful or relevant in the only war on the horizon where the US could be truly threatened. M1A2S and Bradley's and 155mm shells are like tits on a bull in a Taiwain Strait Shootout, since the GCE part of that fight will be a complete afterthought. If we get in a situation were armor and ground combat arms in general are relevant, we've already lost. I feel it would have been a good move to offer up a tranche of irrelevant and largely outdated weapons in return for solving the immediate, existential crisis.

    I am operating under the perception that there is almost no limit to the amount of military aid the US can supply Ukraine before the Russians flip the table and try to push the big red button. Others may not feel this is the case. Personally, I don't see how the Russians would decide *certain* annihilation was better than *possible* temporary defeat. I don't think they are that irrational.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  • Andrew Gelman, the professor of statistics at Columbia whose skeptical blog has done a lot over the years to better standards of statistical analysis, blogs: Two celebrity Harvard experts on dishonesty, Dan Ariely and Francesca Gino, have been accused of dishonesty. Ariely is a professor of psychology and behavioral economics at Duke with
  • @Corpse Tooth
    @New Dealer

    "Ted Talks"

    Cutting edge establishmentarianism.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Cutting edge establishmentarianism.

    I’m not one to dish out compliments like breath mints, but that’s really, really good.

  • iSteve commenter PaceLaw writes: Iowa, like Wisconsin, is a decent-to-strong Big Ten football program (8-5 last year, 4-1 so far this year) that tends to recruit a team that looks more like its home state's demographics than does, say, the U. of Oregon. Last year, it started two white cornerbacks. Riley Moss was picked in...
  • @prime noticer
    notice how they are usually the best player at the position on the team. this is not a coincidence or an accident. this is the rigging program. they're either great, or they don't exist. there is almost no in between. this is a statistically impossible result. it doesn't exist in any other sport. even HBD people can't apply their own methodology or theory about a Gauss distribution in ability. their Galton and Fisher analysis goes straight out the window. p < 0.05? it's more like six sigma.

    football is now a jobs program for africans. at most positions almost all the average players and ALL the below average players are african. this is on purpose. these roster spots are specifically reserved for them. to give them some kind of something in life. the other players can be bumped out because it is legally safe to do so. it is presumed that after their sports career is deliberately cut short, they can go get a job for $50,000 a year selling insurance, $70,000 a year doing construction, go back to their farm, or whatever it is that they do. most of the africans don't have guaranteed life paths like that. for the great majority of them, sports is their one chance to not be poor and broke.

    a lot of the melanin deficient guys aren't allowed to play even if they are above average. they could outplay the scrubs on most NFL rosters but they're not even allowed in the league. it's not true that the highest priority for teams is winning games, and this metric guides every decision. this is a laughable take. one look at how the rest of society is run should dash that idea. african coaches? african managers? african owners? these teams are all under tremendous pressure ot increase the number of african PLAYERS. beyond what it even is normally.

    Replies: @Guest007, @Intelligent Dasein, @OilcanFloyd

    Prime Noticer:

    Everything you wrote is absolutely true, but I’m not sure how well it will be received here because it throws a monkey wrench into the commonly accepted HBD tropes about superior black athleticism. The fact of the matter is, Affirmative Action applies just as much in the NFL as it does elsewhere in America. You can be sure that the blacks playing NFL football have been held to lower standards and are delivering every bit as much of an inferior product as are most black doctors and black congressmen. After all, why on Earth wouldn’t this be the case? But the point is lost on HBDers.

    The inferiority of the game has already been noticed. Almost a year ago I left a comment here in which I linked to Washington Post article asking why is there so much bad football in the NFL.

    Why is there so much bad football in the NFL? (paywall-free link in the comment).

    Nobody paid much attention to this when I posted it here the first time, and it certainly never got noticed by Sailer. Maybe we’ll have better luck this time.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "Everything you wrote is absolutely true, but I’m not sure how well it will be received here because it throws a monkey wrench into the commonly accepted HBD tropes about superior black athleticism."

    It isn't just a trope, it's a pure fallacy. American sportsball consumers base their understanding of athleticism on watching (pro/college) football and basketball. So of course they just assume negroes are better athletes.

    (BTW Sailer, your hero Lebron James has been using the ped EPO for at least a decade)

    Both of those sports are 2 of the worst measures for athletic ability available. Too many people fail to realize the absence of negroes at the elite level of all sports.

  • From The Atlantic: The Horror Stories of Black Hair The Hulu series The Other Black Girl dramatizes the pains of managing Afro-textured hair—and other people’s perceptions of it. By Hannah Giorgis SEPTEMBER 26, 2023 In the 1989 surrealist satire Chameleon Street, two Black men bicker after one says that he prefers women with light skin...
  • @Jack D
    @Almost Missouri

    Yeah, I was just going to say the same thing. There's no cocoa in cocoa butter. Cocoa butter is what is left AFTER your remove the brown cocoa from the chocolate liquor (ground up roasted cacao beans). It's the "white" in "white chocolate".

    And like "white people" it's not exactly white, it's actually sorta the color of white people themselves, kind of a light tan.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @dearieme

    I think they were most likely referring to a smooth and creamy texture, not to a color.

    After all, the unctuous feel of oil is what’s desired in skin creams, hair conditioners, and lotions. The only people commenting on the color of oils are mechanics.

  • One reason why American corporations have shipped so many factory jobs overseas is because of civil rights laws that put the corporation on the hook for "hostile environment" discrimination damages whenever low brow blue collar guys quote their favorite raps songs to each other. Remarkably, Tesla runs a giant factory employing 22,000 auto workers in...
  • Ruining Musk doesn’t mean his companies go away. If there’s a plan it’s to force him out and take over his companies. Short of that it’s to force him to knuckle under.

    It’s disingenuous to characterize it as either Nothing to See Here or an overly complex conspiracy theory (insinuating the former is sensible, the latter crazy). For one thing, how complex does it have to be for someone in the White House to strongly encourage harassment of Musk? Too many moving parts man! I mean, you’d have to make a few phone calls and insinuate to a few bug men what a takedown of Musk would do for their careers. This sort of thing has never happened before, I’m sure!

    Have we learned nothing from their reaction to Trump?

    I generally agree with the “no master plan” view, but that’s because what we’re up against isn’t so much a conspiracy as a culture. People don’t have to be told.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @Dennis Dale


    Ruining Musk doesn’t mean his companies go away.
     
    That of course explains why Blue Origin, started a couple of years before SpaceX with a plentiful Bezos budget, is so wildly successful.

    Except that's not how things work in high tech companies doing genuinely hard things, Blue Origin failing to this date to put a single gram in orbit and at the moment their new methalox engine ULA desperately needs not looking so good (maybe; one test failure means only so much, but Blue Origin does not move fast). That company is in such bad shape the best new replacement CEO Bezos could land had previously been the guy in charge of making Amazon's devices like the Kindle and Alexia.

    Replace a demonstrated genius leader and there's every chance things will go to hell when a bad leader gets in place. See how SJW Brian Krzanich ruined Intel in just five years, 2013-18 (check my past postings for details down to wildly excessive chip steppings). At a lower level of management, see how AMD is all but completely missing out in supplying the chip demand from the current "AI" boom.

    Classic high tech tornado which "guerilla" Nvidia started getting generally and competently ready for in 2012, not sure AMD even counts as a "monkey" let along a "chimp" in this market due to bad leadership. Actually, that probably goes all the way to the top, the highly praised CEO should be noticing the company has to pay big FAANG bucks for competent software developers and managers of such hard stuff. Should also be noting the string of betrayals in length of chip/card support that has poisoned the well for would be customers who were previously burned.

    Or look at Boeing after it was strong armed into buying MacDonald Douglas in 1997. The latter's leaders where much better at politics than the engineering oriented Boeing types, out maneuvered them inside the company (a common pattern with a failing company is bought, see for example Netscape), and we're probably not done with the lives this is going to cost.

    And as one Boeing memo "Out-Sourcing Profits - The Cornerstone of Successful Subcontracting" by a Dr. L. J. Hart-Smith put it, that one generally disastrous gambit infamously used for the 787 outsourced a lot of their profits along with the design and construction work of so much of that plane. I've seen indications they're reversing this policy, but it's going to be very hard, especially after doing things like selling their Wichita operations which recently delivered a bunch of 737 real bulkheads with seemingly randomly placed extra holes in them....

    BTW, it's generally advised to avoid riding in one of the first dozen or a bit more of the first 787s made, their construction was chaotic and that's very dangerous with composites. Note how their in-house construction in general has gone to hell. Note also how planes aren't quite as difficult as rockets or state of the art chips.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Dennis Dale


    People don’t have to be told.
     
    Well, they sorta do. But that's easily done by the NYT publishing "Elon bad" articles which are then echoed by the rest of the Hive.

    Even in the most centrally controlled country that ever existed people needed to read Pravda to get their directional marching orders about which ideas and people were on the outs.

    Replies: @Dennis Dale

  • It’s interesting how dependent the Biden Administration is upon Elon Musk.

    No one is dependent upon Elon Musk. They are dependent upon Musk’s companies and little Elon is in the way.

    If you want to answer your own question, just understand that nationalization of Twitter/Tesla/SpaceX is the goal. If Elon wants to play ball that would be ideal, but if he doesn’t, then keep punishing him until he changes his mind or leaves.

    Bill Gates took Option A and Jeff Bezos (probably) took Option B, so it’s worked before.

  • From Real Clear Politics: Here's Wikipedia's list of his documentaries: Hollywood's Favorite Heavy
  • @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Steve Sailer

    Dunno or care much about WFB myself, but in Buckley's debate with Noam Chomsky, the part where he threatens to punch Chomsky in the face is just about the swishiest threat I've ever heard. Morrissey would sound more menacing.

    Replies: @Blodgie, @Intelligent Dasein, @David In TN

    That was also Gore Vidal, not Noam Chomsky.

  • @MGB
    this is such a complicated topic, i can't pretend to propose a coherent, comprehensive plan in a quick blog comment. a few observations: if you expect to compete with 'hollywood' by composing a conservative counter-narrative, you've already conceded defeat. most of the media is by nature mind numbing. the media should be undermined, not incorporated into your own vision of the future. parallel cultural production should be pursued at a regional level. homogenization is the enemy. anyone who complains that they aren't being sympathetically portrayed in the media is missing the point, or rather many points. again, if you concede your identity is formed to a significant degree by media portrayals of your identity then you . . . are . . . fucked. you think that movies and tv negatively portray white middle class americans? stop watching movies and tv, and i don't mean that in the sense of making the media pay economically by the loss of your viewership, i mean that in the sense of fuck them, i don't need some POS ivy league producer guiding my or my children's identity formation. i'd rather chop wood, or walk the dog, or talk to my neighbor than ingest your poison. Pack is missing a generational point. ubiquity is the enemy. there is no positive, conservative spin to ameliorate the negative impact of the cell phone, which will no doubt be soon further miniaturized and drilled, literally, into people's heads.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Ian M.

    I think you are basically correct here.

    It’s very difficult to make a conservative movie because the medium just doesn’t lend itself well to that sort of thing. Just like how in modern parliamentary democracies there is no truly conservative “party” because the whole parliamentary system and the party structure is a Leftist creation designed to serve Leftist aims.

    If there was an explicitly conservative party that actually advocated pre-revolutionary throne and altar politics, it would not be taken seriously. It would be seen as a small cadre of anachronistic weirdos operating from the fringe. That’s why all the conservative parties of today are simply watered down versions of the liberal parties.

    Similarly, explicitly conservative movies always seem a bit off. The story that the movie tells is always a liberal morality play. Whether the hero is “Alexander the Great” or “Navajo Code Talkers” or “Forrest Gump,” the underlying structure is always the same: The plucky young lad(s), beloved of the gods, believe in themselves, overcome the conservative fuddy-duddies, and save the day. The End.

    The audiences expect this sort of thing and they won’t receive or understand anything else. They expect to see a morality play about an underdog making good. And this is also precisely the trope by which the Left controls the culture. All its propaganda is gear toward making cinematic underdogs out of minority groups. Now blacks are cinematic underdogs, gays are cinematic underdogs, trannies are cinematic underdogs, etc. And how are you supposed to feel about a cinematic underdog? You want him to win, of course!

    I really don’t see any way of breaking free of this except to abandon this whole mode of storytelling. The Left has successfully hacked the tropes that motivate Western hearts and minds and there is no dislodging them from that anymore. The thing to remember is that it is better to be a victorious underdog than to watch one, and being one doesn’t feel anything like watching one. We need to suffer the fate of real heroes rather than watch operatic ones that entertain us.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Intelligent Dasein

    40 million people watched Jud Suss between 1940 and 1945. Goebbels so-called Antisemitic film was a smash hit!

  • @slumber_j
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I certainly don't think it's impossible, as I guess you allow. It's being done, just not very much. (Consider the recent career of Mel Gibson as another example.)

    Self-censorship is a huge issue here I think. I've done some freelance journalism in my time, and I know that one tends not even to pitch stories that don't line up with a publication's ethos: not only will you not get a job out of it, but it's likely to poison the well when they decide you're just generally not okay. Maybe that would change if there were more variety on the production end?

    I haven't really discussed it with my friend the screenwriter. He has a longstanding working relationship with his co-writer, and I think they just do what they want to do and hope it gets produced. Lately that's been happening. Interestingly, Sound of Freedom was at least partly financed by Tony Robbins, but the big boost came when its distribution was picked up by Angel Films after Fox dumped it in the wake of a corporate merger. Angel is also at least distributing Cabrini; dunno much about the movie's production history:

    https://youtu.be/uuFkt3w-7kI

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Intelligent Dasein, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    I watched the trailer. Unfortunately, it’s even worse than what I was worrying about in my earlier (still unpublished) comment. This is no mere “paean to generic do-gooderism,” it’s a feminist screed.

    This is not a conservative cultural production. It is the Left taking over and skin-suiting someone who should be a conservative icon and falsifying everything about here. Same as always.

    • Replies: @slumber_j
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Well, we'll see. Famously, trailers often don't have much to do with the underlying movie...

    https://youtu.be/KmkVWuP_sO0

  • @slumber_j
    Well, that's not not happening. One of my best friends from high school--a neighbor of Steve Sailer's in the Valley as it happens--co-wrote Sound of Freedom with its director. Their next feature is a biopic of Mother Cabrini. He's not all that hard-core Conservative at all, but just being normal in Hollywood counts for a lot, and he's definitely that.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Buzz Mohawk

    Their next feature is a biopic of Mother Cabrini

    St. Frances Xavier Cabrini would be a very intriguing and subversive subject, if the film is done faithfully. She was very much against the heresy of Americanism, i.e. the idea that freedom of religion and conscience are numbered among the natural rights of man. Her work, although expressed through caregiving and charitable missions, was fundamentally about keeping American Catholics within the fold and untainted by the Enlightenment ideals embodied in the nation’s founding.

    This is very much what’s needed today, so it would be disappointing if the film ended up eliding all that and being just a paean to generic do-gooderism.

    • Agree: Pierre de Craon
    • Replies: @kaganovitch
    @Intelligent Dasein


    This is very much what’s needed today, so it would be disappointing if the film ended up eliding all that and being just a paean to generic do-gooderism.
     
    SPOILER ALERT: It's going to be a paean to generic do-gooderism.
  • One subtle reason for the rise in popularity of neo-Nietzscheans like Bronze Age Pervert in this century is that the 19th Century German pre-history model of Europe and India being more or less conquered by an Indo-European race of warriors who enslaved the indigenous farmers has lately been mostly upheld by ancient DNA findings. If...
  • @Kratoklastes
    @HA



    “But ask a Christian about Mormonism or Scientology and he sounds just like an atheist.”
     
    OK, and when you’re done, ask a Christian about atheism — I’m guessing he or she won’t think much of that, either. So I don’t think the mutual disagreement between all those Christians and Mormons, etc., is as as convincing an argument for your position as you make it out to be. In the end, you’re just another guy who disagrees with all ideologies except the one you yourself favor. You’re not that special.
     
    That's precisely the point that Anon was making - although by using concrete (and very American) examples he opened the door to classic apologist misdirection.

    The best way to frame it is to point out that almost every religion - including the Jesus cult - explicitly and fervently disbelieves in all gods except their own, except for some very specific corner cases (usually hand-waving stuff where they 'tolerate', if the system of the time considers 'tolerance' to be a virtue).

    Christians think that every theology[1] except Christianity is fundamentally flawed. Muslims think that every theology except Islam is fundamentally flawed. And so on and so forth[2].

    Atheists just extend that same principle. We see history littered with the abandoned cults of innumerable gods, and we conclude that the followers of the current gods are probably just as wrong as the followers of the fallen gods.

    Also... it's also possible to accept - as a proposition to be tested against evidence - that there might be entities that exist that are vastly superior to humans.

    Our planet is roughly 10 billion years younger than the oldest bits of the observable universe: evolution being what it is, it is the height of arrogance to presume that we're the bestest ever.

    However even if such entities are proven to exist, that doesn't mean that anyone should worship them.

    Any god worthy of the name should not care if I tell him to go fuck himself.

    [1] Or if you prefer, theodicy (for alternative belief systems that have them) or cosmogony (ditto). Key point is: they think everyone else is wrong (except us).

    [2] The Baháʼí are less judgemental, but nobody gives a fuck what they think because they're basically an institutionalised version of Pascal's Wager.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Alrenous

    The best way to frame it is to point out that almost every religion – including the Jesus cult – explicitly and fervently disbelieves in all gods except their own, except for some very specific corner cases (usually hand-waving stuff where they ‘tolerate’, if the system of the time considers ‘tolerance’ to be a virtue)…

    Atheists just extend that same principle.

    This is absolute horseshit.

    And considering that this is the biggest arrow the atheists have in their quiver—one they pull out and launch at every possible occasion—it really goes to show the intellectual bankruptcy of that strain of hubris.

    Anybody who has actually thought about the subject for more than an hour would realize that there is another possibility, namely that perhaps all the various cults and churches throughout the world have the same dim recognition that there is something that transcends our temporal existence, but that this recognition greatly varies from place to place in its power and clarity, and that it is diffracted through the prism of human cultural differences and, of course, often darkened by human ignorance and human evil.

    Furthermore, anybody who has bothered to learn the doctrines that Traditional Christianity actually teaches—considered apart from the nebulous fluff that they think it teaches—would know that this, in fact, is the official teaching of the Church, and not “explicit disbelief.” And this holds also for the other great religions that are mature enough to have a philosophical tradition associated with them. There is not one that teaches “explicit disbelief.”

    Given this situation, the possibilities for “extending the principle” are two: syncretism through abstraction and synthesis, or selection by appeal to reason and special revelation. This does indeed open up another whole can of worms, where people must take a stand and disbelieve in certain explicit claims and explanations offered by others; however, this no more conduces to the idea that God does not exist than a debate between monarchists and republicans conduces to the idea that politics does not exist. On the contrary, the only reason they are debating is because politics exists.

    Atheists simply have an inadequate grasp of the subject matter and their arguments amount to category mistakes.

    • Agree: silviosilver
  • From City Journal: The Cluster B Society Psychological dysfunction is now valorized and embedded in our institutions. We need to understand what we’re dealing with. By Christopher F. Rufo Sep 24 2023 ... Psychologists have captured the spirit of our modern culture in four specific psychopathologies that, together, make up the Cluster B personality disorders:...
  • @Cagey Beast
    @Jack D

    As a Canadian I see this fuck-up as a blessing in disguise. It's a "teachable moment", as Obama would say.

    Chrystia Freeland's numerous family connections to Ukrainian wartime collaborators is being discussed again and we're learning more about the Ukrainian-Canadian community generally. Normies are hearing more about the current far right in Ukraine too. It's all for the better.

    Freeland, Trudeau and their Liberal colleagues love to call the rest of us Nazis so it's a treat to have "the one thing we didn't want to happen" happening to them:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_U-7L1tmBAo

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Cagey Beast, @Jack D

    As a Canadian I see this fuck-up as a blessing in disguise. It’s a “teachable moment”, as Obama would say.

    I’m very curious to know how this ridiculous thing happened without any kind of vetting. Did no member of the parliament, or any of their numerous staff, do any research or raise any objection?

    If not, it means that the Canadian government is at best the Keystone Kops, and the explanations just keep getting worse from there, for it means that they’ve been lying and dissimulating all along.

    • Replies: @Cagey Beast
    @Intelligent Dasein

    My guess is that it was a combination of:

    - Staffers actually being historically ignorant enough to have no alarm bells go off in their heads. They'd be female, "new Canadian" or both.

    - Ukrainian-Canadians (like Freeland) knowing Yaroslav Hunka's provenance, understanding what it meant and thinking it was about time the rest of us celebrated them as heroes.

  • One subtle reason for the rise in popularity of neo-Nietzscheans like Bronze Age Pervert in this century is that the 19th Century German pre-history model of Europe and India being more or less conquered by an Indo-European race of warriors who enslaved the indigenous farmers has lately been mostly upheld by ancient DNA findings. If...
  • @anonymous
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Kristian Kristiansen of the University of Gothenberg has found evidence of plague preceding "conquest." He has compared what happened to European populations replaced by outsiders to what happened to American populations replaced by Europeans: first came disease and population collapse, then came the replacement population. (Sorry for so many images, but each is important to understanding what happened and why.)

    https://i.imgur.com/EAm9Cl9.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/9OewmgT.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/tRP1J9A.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/BNx8P0q.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/NUAS7Vg.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/5VghFKS.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/LKzzY2W.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/pktJ8WT.jpg

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Thank you for taking the time to supply this interesting commentary. I really appreciate that and I’m sure there is something to this.

  • From City Journal: The Cluster B Society Psychological dysfunction is now valorized and embedded in our institutions. We need to understand what we’re dealing with. By Christopher F. Rufo Sep 24 2023 ... Psychologists have captured the spirit of our modern culture in four specific psychopathologies that, together, make up the Cluster B personality disorders:...
  • @Anon
    Cluster B's have always existed, it's just that the internet gave them a new tool to vocalize all over the place. Therefore, they seem to be everywhere nowadays. The one advantage the normies have is that the Cluster Bs usually establish a track record of lunacy that can be investigated so we can spot them, if we wise up. We can use the internet against them. People need to learn the value of ignoring the people who act up all the time. Ostracize them. They should not be hired for jobs. Don't date them. Turn them off if they're on tv. Don't vote for them. Being ignored and ostracized is the one thing Cluster Bs hate above all because it renders them powerless.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    The internet is largely a case study in Gresham’s Law: the bad money drives out the good.

    Since there seems to be no penalty for talking out your ass, people exaggerate as much as they can get away with. Everything is cheap and artificial, quality goods are hard to find and hard to verify, trust is punished and selfishness incentivized.

    It’s not a healthy environment at all and it will amplify any character flaws people already have.

    I’m not kidding when I say that if we want to save society, we need to find a way to turn the damn thing off.

  • One subtle reason for the rise in popularity of neo-Nietzscheans like Bronze Age Pervert in this century is that the 19th Century German pre-history model of Europe and India being more or less conquered by an Indo-European race of warriors who enslaved the indigenous farmers has lately been mostly upheld by ancient DNA findings. If...
  • @silviosilver
    @Intelligent Dasein


    It is easy to see that this claim remains unprovable, for while reason can prove the existence of God,
     
    LOL please. Reason obviously can't prove God's existence. At best it can make it highly plausible, and thus bring one closer to belief in God. But the ultimate step will always be a leap of faith. No way around that. (Which is fine by me. I am a man of faith myself - just more honest than usual about what this entails.)

    It is born of concupiscence and socio-political conflicts, the desire to live a libertine life or to separate from established churches, or simply the vanity of thinking oneself a 3-sigma kind of guy.
     
    Exactly. It has nothing to do with examining their doctrines and finding them rationally untenable or morally unpalatable. (GRIN)

    The best case for established churches, it seems to me, is their familiar trappings and the accompanying sense that you belong to and participating in a spiritual tradition. Much easier to "access" the spiritual realm this way than to go it alone or attempt to join some goofy "neopagan" outfit (or whatnot).

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    LOL please. Reason obviously can’t prove God’s existence.

    Of course it can. This is what The 5 Ways of St. Thomas Aquinas are about. The 5 Ways are well-enough known that anyone who has ever engaged seriously with theology or philosophy should be aware of them. But for some reason, many people just dismiss them as if they aren’t even there, including people of faith, which is quite bizarre.

    (Which is fine by me. I am a man of faith myself – just more honest than usual about what this entails.)

    If you want to be truly honest about what the faith entails, you would have to accept that God is knowable by reason, for the existence of God as verifiable by the natural reason alone is itself an article of the faith.

    If anyone says that the one, true God, our creator and lord, cannot be known with certainty from the things that have been made, by the natural light of human reason: let him be anathema.

    First Vatican Council, 2.1

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Intelligent Dasein


    The 5 Ways are well-enough known that anyone who has ever engaged seriously with theology or philosophy should be aware of them.
     
    I'm aware of them, I just don't find them particularly rationally compelling. Legions of atheists over the centuries have heard of them too, and have reached the same conclusion. If they actually constituted proofs, the vast majority of educated people would believe in God. Eg that the square root of 2 is irrational can be proven and everyone accepts that proof. Aquinas' 5 Ways don't come anywhere near that standard and it's preposterous to pretend they do. They merely succeed in making faith seem more plausible than it otherwise might, nothing more.

    for the existence of God as verifiable by the natural reason alone is itself an article of the faith.
     
    Since God quite clearly isn't provable by reason alone, I have to question the wisdom of that dogma. I suppose it works to shore up the faith of existing believers, but anyone else reading it would be more likely to think catholics are a pack of fools than to take catholics seriously.
    , @HA
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "Of course it can. This is what The 5 Ways of St. Thomas Aquinas are about. The 5 Ways are well-enough known..."

    The fact that they are "well-enough known" says nothing about how convincing they are. For example, his claim that an infinite regress of prior causes is impossible (because if there's not a first clause, there can be no subsequent or intermediary cause) is tantamount to circular logic, since an infinite regress of prior causes does indeed have intermediary causes without any first cause.

    But though they may be completely unpersuasive as proofs (e.g., Muslims might bristle at the notion that God is even an Aristotelian or constrained in any way by his logic) the existence of God can still be a perfectly fine as an axiom. To consider another realm, I don't find Euclid's axioms convincing at first glance, either (all that stuff about how dimensionless points somehow constitute a line of infinite dimension takes a while to get past), but I admit that however absurd they seem, a lot of useful and practical things can be derived from them. Same thing goes for a set of axioms based around the existence of God. At some point, one puts together some starting assumptions or axioms, be it from Euclid or anyone else, and goes from there. And plenty of Christians are willing to at least be honest and self-aware enough that their religion is an act of faith as opposed to any 5 proofs, which I regard as admirable. I've found far fewer agnostics and atheists willing to fess up to the myriad unproven evidence-free assumptions that underlie their convictions. Your mileage may vary on that particular road.

    "If anyone says that the one, true God, our creator and lord, cannot be known with certainty from the things that have been made, by the natural light of human reason: let him be anathema."

    Good for them -- any assertion so bold as to maintain that God cannot be known by reason is itself a statement of faith, and therefore, depending on the authoritative body in question, may be given a stamp of heresy or nihil obstat. But I'm not claiming that God's existence cannot be proven. I only claim that Aquinas, for all his admirable effort, failed to do so. And as I recall, he might well have agreed: "All I have written appears to be as so much straw".

    , @ydydy
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Jews have the same business but we can stick with the Latin for now.

    "Let Him Be Anathema" ought to be a hint that something's a bit off.


    We assert that every honest man will agree that Mozambiqueans and Chinamen are born equally capable at sprinting, calculus, singing, learning Chinese and, why not, Jenga. Let anyone who saith this is not self evident be anathema!

    "See how RATIONAL our faith is? So rational that should you speak a word of doubt on the subject we'll have you burned alive. THAT rational." 😉

  • @Intelligent Dasein
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Atheism as a firm, certain belief is actually quite midwitted, a simple, easy reaction to religious dogma.
     
    True, but unfortunately, that's also exactly what Deism is. Although the midwittedness of Deism is rendered even more incorrigible by its adherents' smug conviction that they're so much smarter than common religious people, which makes Deism a source of spiritual pride and one of the strongest redoubts of theological Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

    Enlightenment Deism properly so called, notwithstanding the broad and meandering definitions the term has taken over the centuries, reduces to two central axioms: one, that God is real and knowable through the use of the natural reason; and two, that all claims of special revelation and supernatural occurrence are to be rejected.

    The first claim is partly true and this accounts for the seductive aspects of Deism as a philosophy. It is true that God's existence can be known through the natural reason alone, without recourse to revelation. There are several well-known proofs of this which are valid and have been understood since antiquity, such that the reality of God was never seriously in doubt. Deism errs, however, in assuming that such knowledge is exhaustive of the subject or sufficient for salvation. By definition, a knowledge that man can get through the exercise of his own faculties leaves him no better off than where he started, and this does not fulfil the demands placed upon religion to satisfy man's desire for a transcendent good.

    The second claim is an unsupported assertion whereby the sovereign reason simply declares, as it were by fiat, that nothing exists outside of its scope. It is easy to see that this claim remains unprovable, for while reason can prove the existence of God, it cannot prove the nonexistence of revelation, the possibility of which the existence of God entails. The substantive rejection of revelation is thus a dogmatical stance that cannot be established by an appeal to natural reason itself, as the argument exhibits metalogical incompleteness.

    There is no great shame in being temporarily in a state of believing in God but not professing any particular faith. A man who has reasoned his way to the existence of God but remains skeptical of all creeds is, in a sense, only natural, for "only the Holy Ghost can declare that Jesus is the Christ." However, as a practical matter, persistence in this state is almost never the result of honest philosophical inquiry. It is born of concupiscence and socio-political conflicts, the desire to live a libertine life or to separate from established churches, or simply the vanity of thinking oneself a 3-sigma kind of guy. The former condition is a necessary waystation on a spiritual journey; the latter is simply a pedant's way of saying "I'm spiritual but not religious," a sentiment which is rightly ridiculed in others.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @silviosilver, @Twinkie, @nebulafox

    I often make fun of you, but this was very well-written.

    • Thanks: Intelligent Dasein
  • @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    As I’ve said before, I think it would be better if everyone admitted that HBD is not rigorously or really scientific. It is a sciency-sounding modern mythology that provides people with the moral license to vent their frustrations with contemporary racial politics.
     
    But this was not well-written. You are conflating the (often mistaken) motives* of the supporters for the underlying scientific paradigm, which in and itself is very sound.

    Heredity is a well-established and -proven scientific fact. This applies to individuals as well as groups of people. What remain are further questions such as how (and how much) heredity and environmental influences come together (or oppose each others) to produce specific real-life outcomes, what combination of genes produce and express specific outcomes, and so on and so forth.

    *Yes, some people simply have very racialist motives and support HBD, because it lends - as you wrote - "sciency" veneer to their motives, but to deny the scientific underpinnings of HBD is a bit akin to denying, say, religion, simply because some people subscribe to the latter for tribal motives, rather than for its own merit. It's a type of ad hominem and a strawman.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    I only have time for a brief reply at the moment, but just for the record, I do not deny heredity and I do not deny “race-realism.” I deny Darwinism and its associated theories such as allopatric speciation. Consequently, I also deny explanations that incorporate Darwinism into their operating system, such as HBD and evolutionary psychology.

    I don’t think people are catching this nuance, so perhaps I need to explain it better.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    I do not deny heredity and I do not deny “race-realism.” I deny Darwinism and its associated theories such as allopatric speciation. Consequently, I also deny explanations that incorporate Darwinism into their operating system, such as HBD and evolutionary psychology.
     
    You don't have to subscribe to speciation. But even if you reject speciation, Darwin got many things right such as the powerful role of natural selection in shaping the following generations of a given population.

    HBD is simply the application of the same principle to human populations, emphasizing, in particular, the differences that result from the varying selection pressures different environments put upon human groups.

    Look, I'm East Asian. Like other many East Asians, I have relatively short limbs compared to my overall height (that is, compared to Europeans and especially sub-Saharan Africans). This likely resulted from the selection pressure of cold climate (eastern Siberia) whence my ancestors hail (shorter limbs and longer torsos aid in heat preservation). This is but one example amongst many of HBD in action.

    Replies: @ydydy

  • @Dumbo
    @New Dealer

    Wow, that was very original. You must be very bright. Go read "Bronze Age Pervert", it seems to be up your alley. What is it about iSteve readers that when one criticizes their master, even if very lightly, they become so defensive?

    Replies: @megabar, @Reg Cæsar, @Intelligent Dasein

    Only a small handful of the smarter commenters here—I’m talking about people like res, for instance—actually have the chops to understand the claims of modern genetic science in their intended acceptations. To most everyone else, HBD is simply a cargo cult and Steve is their shaman.

    Steve, by the way, is not one of the ones who understands the science, but he understands very well how to rock that headdress with great aplomb. Furthermore, just because the science can be understood correctly or incorrectly according to its author’s intentions, that does not mean that the science itself is correct absolutely, even when it is “understood” aright. My arguments against HBD have always been directed at this latter consideration; but, true to form, what I say is received by most people here as if I were simply attacking the drum circle.

    As I’ve said before, I think it would be better if everyone admitted that HBD is not rigorously or really scientific. It is a sciency-sounding modern mythology that provides people with the moral license to vent their frustrations with contemporary racial politics. I share the frustrations, but I don’t like the mythology, which is dangerous for other, more important reasons—namely, in adhering to an explanatory paradigm based in Darwinism and materialism, HBD cuts its believers off from all real metaphysics and the life of the soul.

    Pointing any of this out will earn you a lifetime of opprobrium here, which I’m sure you know.

    • Disagree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Intelligent Dasein

    So your game is to make sure white people don’t have anything to rally around. Except for some religious creed that eliminates
    whiteness?

    , @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    As I’ve said before, I think it would be better if everyone admitted that HBD is not rigorously or really scientific. It is a sciency-sounding modern mythology that provides people with the moral license to vent their frustrations with contemporary racial politics.
     
    But this was not well-written. You are conflating the (often mistaken) motives* of the supporters for the underlying scientific paradigm, which in and itself is very sound.

    Heredity is a well-established and -proven scientific fact. This applies to individuals as well as groups of people. What remain are further questions such as how (and how much) heredity and environmental influences come together (or oppose each others) to produce specific real-life outcomes, what combination of genes produce and express specific outcomes, and so on and so forth.

    *Yes, some people simply have very racialist motives and support HBD, because it lends - as you wrote - "sciency" veneer to their motives, but to deny the scientific underpinnings of HBD is a bit akin to denying, say, religion, simply because some people subscribe to the latter for tribal motives, rather than for its own merit. It's a type of ad hominem and a strawman.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @Intelligent Dasein


    As I’ve said before, I think it would be better if everyone admitted that HBD is not rigorously or really scientific.
     
    It seems to me that HBD is merely a subject of study not an ideology. As to the opinions about politics or society that one forms from learning HBD facts, individual mileage may vary.
  • @Buzz Mohawk
    @Anon


    Most people who are >2 SD above the average IQ since 1880 have been atheists, it’s simply the logical interpretation of the facts.
     
    Perhaps when you look above 2 SD you find a lot of atheists, but if you look above 3 you find a lot of Deists.

    Atheism as a firm, certain belief is actually quite midwitted, a simple, easy reaction to religious dogma. As such, it is a kind of dogma of its own.

    Look deep into your own mind... You can't have atheism without theism. There is a third way to face the fact that you can't explain your own consciousness.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Intelligent Dasein

    Atheism as a firm, certain belief is actually quite midwitted, a simple, easy reaction to religious dogma.

    True, but unfortunately, that’s also exactly what Deism is. Although the midwittedness of Deism is rendered even more incorrigible by its adherents’ smug conviction that they’re so much smarter than common religious people, which makes Deism a source of spiritual pride and one of the strongest redoubts of theological Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

    Enlightenment Deism properly so called, notwithstanding the broad and meandering definitions the term has taken over the centuries, reduces to two central axioms: one, that God is real and knowable through the use of the natural reason; and two, that all claims of special revelation and supernatural occurrence are to be rejected.

    The first claim is partly true and this accounts for the seductive aspects of Deism as a philosophy. It is true that God’s existence can be known through the natural reason alone, without recourse to revelation. There are several well-known proofs of this which are valid and have been understood since antiquity, such that the reality of God was never seriously in doubt. Deism errs, however, in assuming that such knowledge is exhaustive of the subject or sufficient for salvation. By definition, a knowledge that man can get through the exercise of his own faculties leaves him no better off than where he started, and this does not fulfil the demands placed upon religion to satisfy man’s desire for a transcendent good.

    The second claim is an unsupported assertion whereby the sovereign reason simply declares, as it were by fiat, that nothing exists outside of its scope. It is easy to see that this claim remains unprovable, for while reason can prove the existence of God, it cannot prove the nonexistence of revelation, the possibility of which the existence of God entails. The substantive rejection of revelation is thus a dogmatical stance that cannot be established by an appeal to natural reason itself, as the argument exhibits metalogical incompleteness.

    There is no great shame in being temporarily in a state of believing in God but not professing any particular faith. A man who has reasoned his way to the existence of God but remains skeptical of all creeds is, in a sense, only natural, for “only the Holy Ghost can declare that Jesus is the Christ.” However, as a practical matter, persistence in this state is almost never the result of honest philosophical inquiry. It is born of concupiscence and socio-political conflicts, the desire to live a libertine life or to separate from established churches, or simply the vanity of thinking oneself a 3-sigma kind of guy. The former condition is a necessary waystation on a spiritual journey; the latter is simply a pedant’s way of saying “I’m spiritual but not religious,” a sentiment which is rightly ridiculed in others.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I see, now on my third reply to three comments, that I opened a can of worms and the worms have come out of it to prove how smart they are.

    I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your comment, and I have no argument.

    I know nothing, but I see God, even in you.

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    , @silviosilver
    @Intelligent Dasein


    It is easy to see that this claim remains unprovable, for while reason can prove the existence of God,
     
    LOL please. Reason obviously can't prove God's existence. At best it can make it highly plausible, and thus bring one closer to belief in God. But the ultimate step will always be a leap of faith. No way around that. (Which is fine by me. I am a man of faith myself - just more honest than usual about what this entails.)

    It is born of concupiscence and socio-political conflicts, the desire to live a libertine life or to separate from established churches, or simply the vanity of thinking oneself a 3-sigma kind of guy.
     
    Exactly. It has nothing to do with examining their doctrines and finding them rationally untenable or morally unpalatable. (GRIN)

    The best case for established churches, it seems to me, is their familiar trappings and the accompanying sense that you belong to and participating in a spiritual tradition. Much easier to "access" the spiritual realm this way than to go it alone or attempt to join some goofy "neopagan" outfit (or whatnot).

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I often make fun of you, but this was very well-written.

    , @nebulafox
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I’m more scared of the people who are religious, yet not spiritual, whether they know themselves as such or not. Nothing scarier than dealing with people who are convinced they know the whole truth, who have no attachments to others, nothing to temper them, and are totally dedicated to this ideal with legions of ordinary people to carry out their orders, but their truth is fundamentally wrong: and perverse.

  • @Almost Missouri
    @anonymous


    The IE steppe invaders used horses to pull their nomadic wagons, and rode horses and chariots TO the battle area, but did not do close quarters combat with the horses. It wasn’t until later that horses were bred to remove their natural skittishness.
     
    No one today knows for sure how the steppe invaders fought (assuming they always fought the same way) other than that their horse (or donkey) chariots made them more mobile. But that alone is enough ensure victory in the long run.

    If you are more mobile, then you always get to choose when and where the battle starts and, crucially, when it ends. So you never lose because if the fight is not going your way, you simply skedaddle and the fight is over before you suffer a serious defeat. You can fail to win the first ten, or twenty, or a hundred battles, but it doesn't matter because your opponent can't catch you and make the failure count. "Meh, it was just a raid." But on the one hundredth "raid", the opponents' morale cracks, their ranks break, they flee in terror and are crushed beneath the wheels of your chariots. Total Aryan Victory! "Oh, that was a real battle this time."

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Twinkie, @AnotherDad, @Muggles

    But on the one hundredth “raid”, the opponents’ morale cracks, their ranks break, they flee in terror and are crushed beneath the wheels of your chariots. Total Aryan Victory!

    After the first raid, you would have fortified your settlement if it wasn’t fortified already. You would have put archers and slingers in place to pick off the charioteers. Eventually you would have hit and killed some of them, leading to the capture of intact chariots and trained horses. The attackers’ advantage in means and mobility would be brought down and finally reduced to parity as you reverse-engineered some chariots and bred some more horses.

    Nobody just allows themselves to be raided 100 times without changing tactics, so I am not buying this.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I appreciate the thought you put into this, but I don't think it works like a video game.

    Depending on soil and climate, it takes maybe two acres of land to support one person under relatively intensive agricultural, nevermind neolithic agriculture. To build a palisade, or an earthen dike, enclosing hundreds of acres is an immense amount of work. It would take years during which you still have to carry on the ordinary ag work to keep everyone fed. And then you have to venture way out beyond the fields to get the timber, during which time you are exposed to further raider predation.

    Archery and even slinging are skills you can't just pick up when convenient. An archer or slinger who can "pick off" a moving charioteer has been practicing all his life. In the ancient world, slingers were typically shepherds: people who could spend 90% of their time practicing hurling a stone at a wolf-size target. Ancient archers were typically from the raider populations themselves, so whatever archery the settled population could put up wouldn't be a match for them. People who have to till the soil and winnow the wheat don't have time for that.

    Animal husbandry and charioteering are also lifelong skills that don't transfer just because someone captures a horse and chariot. Likely the most use a neolithic village could make of such a prize is a bit of firewood and village meal that isn't the usual porridge gruel.


    Nobody just allows themselves to be raided 100 times without changing tactics
     
    Well, yes. Presumably that's why hill forts began to appear in western Europe. Some villages banded together and built defensive structures, however cramped. The rest became concubines or fertilizer.
    , @Mactoul
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Mohammad Ghazni's 17 successful raids on India.

  • One subtle reason for the rise in popularity of neo-Nietzscheans like Bronze Age Pervert

    What popularity? The only place I’ve heard about this (literal) faggot was here at iSteve. The same applies to Razib Khan, Ibrahim X. Kandi and Greg Crochan and other losers. The only place I hear about those idiots and/or planted tools is here at iSteve’s blog. Then again, I don’t use Twitter.

    (Think of the world views of NFL team owners.)

    Nietzsche and NFL owners, well, that’s a type of weird comparison that you’ll only find at iSteve, alright…

    • Agree: Intelligent Dasein
    • Replies: @New Dealer
    @Dumbo

    Username validated.

    Replies: @Dumbo

    , @Ben tillman
    @Dumbo

    Razib has been a big deal for a long time because of his old blog, “Gene Expression”.

    , @Joe Paluka
    @Dumbo

    Never heard of Bronze Age Pervert but he has such a stupid and juvenile handle, I won't investigate him further.

    Replies: @Pat Hannagan

  • @Colin Wright
    Note that 3000 BC to 1800 BC is twelve hundred years.

    Twelve hundred years is a long time. This wasn't a deluge -- more of a global warming period or something. Imagine if we'd landed at Plymouth Rock in 630 ad -- and hadn't gotten to California until 1830. Could you really call it a conquest?

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Note that 3000 BC to 1800 BC is twelve hundred years.

    There is something about this idea of Indo-European conquest that doesn’t sound right to me. I find it very hard to believe that one group of people could spread throughout the entire Eurasian landmass and, with nothing but prehistorical technology, literally eliminate everyone else.

    How would you even find them all? Eurasia is a huge place. Tracking down every last male just so you could kill him would be insanely expensive, difficult, time-consuming work, with no practical purpose.

    Do you mean to tell me that nobody ever escaped? Nobody ever ran and hid? Nobody ever fought back effectively? Nobody ever adopted the technologies that supposedly made the Indo-Europeans so formidable? Surely it’s not that difficult to learn to ride a horse or build a chariot. You would think somebody else could have figured it out in 1200 years, especially if his life depended on it. Did the Aryans never get tired and say, “Well, that’s enough of that. Let’s just call it pax, shall we?”

    The distant past is a blank screen onto which everyone can project their fantasies, which is why we have this conquest theory. But in all the wars of which we have real, historical experience, it virtually never happens that one side entirely eliminates the other. There are always survivors. For the Aryans to achieve this not only once, but thousands of times over thousands of years, in an unbroken record of success that has no earthly parallel or analogue anywhere, simple beggars belief.

    Obviously there is more to this story. Something else is going on here.

    • Agree: Art Deco
    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
    @Intelligent Dasein


    There is something about this idea of Indo-European conquest that doesn’t sound right to me.
     
    For one thing, it's not the actual physical male humans the invaders had to eliminate, but just their ability to reproduce. If some invading group monopolizes, say, 75% of the local females for enough generations I think the math accomplishes a more or less "clean sweep" of the Y chromosomes.

    Technically, invaders wouldn't have to kill anyone to take over genetically (except that the invaded probably won't let you take their women without killing them first.)

    Also, I think some of these ancient populations may have been pretty sparse on the ground at the time.

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Colin Wright
    @Intelligent Dasein


    'Obviously there is more to this story. Something else is going on here.'
     
    There's disease -- but over such a span, the victims would gain immunity as well. You can knock their socks off with your antediluvian equivalent of Small Pox -- but only for a while. Eventually it becomes endemic among your victims as well.

    However, read McNeill's Plagues and Peoples. He has some interesting theories about this sort of thing. Just about everything Jared Diamond has said that's worth reading appears to have been cribbed from McNeill -- and trivialized in the process.

    At the end, though, I don't see how complete genetic replacement could occur. There would have had to have been some assimilation and adaption to the new diseases or technologies. Certainly, if total annihilation had occurred, it would have had to have happened fast. Given time, the Japanese learn to build battleships, and Small Pox becomes endemic.
    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Intelligent Dasein


    How would you even find them all? Eurasia is a huge place. Tracking down every last male just so you could kill him would be insanely expensive, difficult, time-consuming work, with no practical purpose.
     
    Right. Similarly, the Vikings could never have existed. Who decides to go across various seas on open ‘longships’? Nobody. What’s the endgame? Cui bono?

    Did the Aryans never get tired and say, “Well, that’s enough of that. Let’s just call it pax, shall we?”
     
    Okay, you’re losing me here.

    Did you not watch the video above, with the great music?


    But in all the wars of which we have real, historical experience, it virtually never happens that one side entirely eliminates the other.
     
    Uh-oh. ID, you’re making a form of “survivorship bias” error:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

    Survivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking those that did not. This can lead to incorrect conclusions because of incomplete data.
     

    , @Herbert R. Tarlek, Jr.
    @Intelligent Dasein

    There is something about this idea of Indo-European conquest that doesn’t sound right to me. I find it very hard to believe that one group of people could spread throughout the entire Eurasian landmass and, with nothing but prehistorical technology, literally eliminate everyone else.
    ...

    Obviously there is more to this story. Something else is going on here.

    The exclusive possession of the stirrup enabled the Huns to conquer similarly large areas in probably a shorter time.

    The exclusive possession of steel weapons and armor enabled the Dorian Greeks and related Sea Peoples to conquer large amounts of area around the eastern Mediterranean in a short time. (For those who don't know, the Philistines of the Old Testament were a branch of the Sea Peoples and their ability to produce and work steel was that gave the bronze-using Israelites so much grief.

    The Aryans may have had pre-historical technology, but it seems likely that it was pre-historical technology of a higher order than that possessed by the vanquished.

    , @anonymous
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Kristian Kristiansen of the University of Gothenberg has found evidence of plague preceding "conquest." He has compared what happened to European populations replaced by outsiders to what happened to American populations replaced by Europeans: first came disease and population collapse, then came the replacement population. (Sorry for so many images, but each is important to understanding what happened and why.)

    https://i.imgur.com/EAm9Cl9.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/9OewmgT.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/tRP1J9A.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/BNx8P0q.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/NUAS7Vg.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/5VghFKS.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/LKzzY2W.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/pktJ8WT.jpg

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    How would you even find them all? Eurasia is a huge place. Tracking down every last male just so you could kill him would be insanely expensive, difficult, time-consuming work, with no practical purpose.

    Do you mean to tell me that nobody ever escaped? Nobody ever ran and hid? Nobody ever fought back effectively? Nobody ever adopted the technologies that supposedly made the Indo-Europeans so formidable? Surely it’s not that difficult to learn to ride a horse or build a chariot. You would think somebody else could have figured it out in 1200 years, especially if his life depended on it. Did the Aryans never get tired and say, “Well, that’s enough of that. Let’s just call it pax, shall we?”
     
    First of all, you should stop using the term "Aryan" to refer to the population groups that settled much of Europe - not because of some Nazi or anti-Nazi nonsense - but because scientifically the term "Indo-Aryan" actually refers to the Indo-Iranian speakers who migrated from Central Asia to Northern India. They were a part of the broad Indo-European-speaking "horizon," but were not the same people who migrated to Europe and eventually became Europeans.

    Second, your intuition about the lack of supposed genocide is likely correct. Historically (and likely pre-historically), most conquests by outsiders resulted in elite replacement, especially those of patrilineal lineages rather than wholesale genocide. Indeed, ancient and pre-Christian peoples, in general (with a very few exceptions), put an enormous emphasis on (elite) male lineages more than ethnic kinship (that's why you see, for example, the same surnames pop up among the elites through the ages in places as distant as England and Korea - indeed, *I* can trace my first historically-attested male ancestor to the 7th century and I have actual documentation that confirm my direct patrilineal ancestry - father-by-father - to the 13th).

    There were usually three means by which certain male lineages - confirmed by the Y-DNA - dominated:

    1. Conquest. Conquering groups - whether pastoral or agricultural - usually already had elite male lineages that predominated and formed the basis of kinship and group cohesion. When they took over land belonging to a competing group, yes, there was often slaughter of the competitor group's elite male lineages. But warriors bands were usually small and they were almost always heavily male-mediated, which meant that the wholesale destruction of the competing groups was not the norm. As you point out, some previously competitive male lineages would have survived, fled, or even joined (assimilated into) the conquering group.

    2. Physical and/or economic exclusion. Once a new elite conquered another group, it would often establish a physical separation between the conquerors and the conquered, especially among males (examples abound in history such as the Spartiates and the second-class Perioeci and the servile Helot communities). This might be accompanied by economic exclusion as well, whereby the conquered would lose the control of the productive areas. Indeed, in pre-modern times, pastoralism and agriculture were mutually and economically incompatible (as ranching and farming were in parts of the American West). And these exclusions would have promoted very high fertility for the elite male lineages and drastically reduced fertility for the conquered male lineages, with the trend picking up steam multiplicatively down the generations.

    3. Social status. Accompanying the political and economic displacement was the dramatic changes in the respective social statuses of the male lineages. Recall that the conquering groups already had elite male lineages that dominated. Even though these pastoral groups might have been phenotypically and even genotypically diverse (at least earlier in time), they were most likely dominated by a few elite male lineages with higher social status that promoted differential fertility - already before the conquests. Even in cases with elite replacements only, rather than wholesale destruction of groups (meaning, the bulk of the existing population survived), the significantly higher social status of certain male lineages meant that assimilation - even voluntary assimilation through intermarriages - into those lineages would have followed (and this is historically what happened, for example, in Anglo-Saxon-dominated southern England as well as later with the Danish-dominated northern England).

    Combined with 1 and 2, this would have overwhelmingly favored certain elite male lineages in reproduction with the gradual disappearance of the surviving conquered male lineages. This, of course, did not mean that the genetic contribution of the latter disappeared in the descendant population, merely that the native population's contribution would have been heavily maternal down the ages. A classic example of this situation is the very high proportion of European Y-DNA among the Mexicans (indicating patrilineality) as opposed to the much greater presence of native Mitochondrial DNA among them. And this process in Mexico took place in only a few hundred years with a much greater disparity between the size of the European conquerors and the conquered.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

  • @Roderick Spode
    So, it takes one to know one.
    Nietzsche knew he was sickly, and he hated value systems that would tell him, a sick man, that he should be happy to be sick and suffering.
    People who imply a contradiction between his values and his biography are usually not as smart as they think they are.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    People who imply a contradiction between his values and his biography are usually not as smart as they think they are.

    I would add that people who speak about “Nietzschean values” at all are not as smart as they think they are. They are, at any rate, not well acquainted with their subject matter.

    You can read the entire corpus of Nietzsche’s published works looking around in vain for any suggestion that generic Superman behavior was something he exhorted and promoted. That was just an idea of which he tried to fathom the whither and whence, but not something he made a prescription out of. Of one thing you can be sure, anyone who speaks about Nietzschean values is at rather far remove from understanding what Nietzsche was actually writing about, and why.

    • Replies: @James J. O'Meara
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Of one thing you can be sure, anyone who speaks about Nietzschean values is at rather far remove from understanding what Nietzsche was actually writing about, and why.
     
    Indeed. "One reads Nietzsche not to agree with his ideas, but to learn to articulate why one doesn't agree" -- Walter Kaufmann (from memory)

    Most/all "Nietzscheans" are no different than the Christians they mock.

    https://youtu.be/iktKXIsRUIg?si=jXPrAksb7Cm-Zpku&t=120
    , @HA
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "You can read the entire corpus of Nietzsche’s published works looking around in vain for any suggestion that generic Superman behavior was something he exhorted and promoted."

    No suggestion? Seriously? You mean setting up his Übermensch as the alternative to something as despicable and vile as his straw-man version of Christianity (or "slave morality", to use his lingo) is not at the least a suggestion that he prefers the former?

    And is your white-knighting for Nietzsche in any way related to your conviction that the fundamental evil inherent in "traditional patriarchal as well as Westernized societies" is having "too many people are surviving to old age"? I don't think it's a coincidence. Thanks a lot, Übermensch! No better way to demonstrate your Nietzschean vigor than by shoving grandma and grandpa onto the ice floe.

    Replies: @vinteuil

  • On Twitter, a corporate insider explains how how DEI promotions work, and how they hilariously went wrong in the Year of All Fevers, 2020: Rule3O3 @Rule3O3 🧵 What it’s really like to serve as a tool in the DEI🧵 As I’ve admitted before, despite being a confirmed thought criminal with ties to Big Frog, I’ve...
  • @Jenner Ickham Errican

    They just can’t imagine the truth: that we’re rigging it for them.
     
    Rigger, please. That’s some prime cope-a-dope faux bless oblige. Blacks know they’re being coddled, they like the results when it’s in their favor, and they are daring you to say it their face. Here is some perhaps unrealistic simulation role play:

    https://youtu.be/fKCpPhJidug?si=GkdEClDTxi2mGhJF&t=66

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Twinkie

    Rigger, please. That’s some prime cope-a-dope faux bless oblige.

    I have to take my hat off. That’s some top notch punning there.

    • Agree: fish
    • Thanks: Jenner Ickham Errican
  • Here's my review of Richard Hanania's new book, The Origins of Woke, in Taki's Magazine: Read the whole thing
  • @Sleep
    I abstain from commenting on the wider subject here as I haven't read the book and likely wouldn't be interested. But the first thing I noticed is that he puts the word globalist in quotes, as if it's a made-up concept. But the Left was protesting against globalism in Seattle back in the late 1990s when they still needed the votes of the white working class. How is it that we all understood what globalism was 25 years ago, but today we're told it doesn't exist?

    Some might say I'm missing the point here, that the word is in quotes because supposedly when we talk about globalists we really mean Jewish globalists or even just Jews, but that just seems like a dodge to me. Rather than hearing "oh, youre just against them because you think theyre all Jewish" I want to hear a simple honest defense of globalism from a Leftist point of view. I guess I'm just bad with words, in that takes me two paragraphs to say what could have been done in a sentence, but has anyone on the left actually defended globalism, or are we just told that globalization might be bad for us, but we deserve it, so it's racist to oppose? Or even racist to point it out?

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Intelligent Dasein, @James Forrestal

    but has anyone on the left actually defended globalism, or are we just told that globalization might be bad for us, but we deserve it, so it’s racist to oppose? Or even racist to point it out?

    One of the biggest plumpers and popularizers of early globalism was that prominently mustachioed nitwit, Thomas L. Friedman, whom I suppose could be considered a man of the left, although not the hard left. I would say his views are rooted in a zeal for spreading liberal democratic institutions around the world, along with a tincture of mild techno-utopian futurism, (i.e. the idea that leveling information barriers will lead to mass education and automation, making everyone’s life better in some vague, unspecified way).

    Friedman is an avatar of the neoliberal vision and truly a man of his times. It explains how he could be, for example, a supporter of both the Iraq War and Hillary Clinton for president.

  • Let's make the strongest case for race quotas in the U.S. using the Korean height example. North Koreans and South Koreans apparently diverged sharply in average height in the later 20th Century due to capitalist South Koreans being better fed than communist North Koreans. Say that North and South Korea have a period of detente...
  • @Jenner Ickham Errican
    Steve, it appears your meandering wordcel shaggy-dog post is a coy request for me to repost my reply to Twinkie’s despair about, as he put it:

    countless millions wasted on “closing the gap” between blacks and everybody else in this country
     
    Your request—granted! I wrote:

    Yes, “closing the gap” is an impossible (stated) goal. But given enough will, “eliminating the gap” is certainly physically doable. There are only two reasonable choices going forward: Accept the gap and choose a laissez-faire, attritional societal modus operandi (passive Social Darwinism) or eliminate the gap by the full-on removal of Blacks from the body politic (active Social Darwinism).

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/ibram-x-kendis-former-assistant-director-of-narrative-says-hes-a-real-slavedriver/#comment-6158001 (#83)

    Awright—who agrees, and who disagrees? Step right up!

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @Intelligent Dasein, @Anonymous, @Redneck Farmer, @Adam Smith, @bomag

    Your “passive social Darwinism” is essentially Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s recommended policy of benign neglect, and it is something I have long advocated, including here in these pages.

    There is no reason to close the gap. There is no reason to explain the gap (and that means not explaining it with HBD, either, which is a mythology for mid-wit Darwinist hammers looking for nails). And there is no reason to even acknowledge that there is a gap. It’s a non-phenomenon; it’s not a thing that needs naming or attention.

    The real problem is with the kind of people who assume that the relevant facts of life can be captured by the comparative statistics of social groupings, and by seeking for the causes thereof. This kind of hubris was never going to be fruitful, because these kinds of thoughts are not properly formulated interrogations of nature. All this is simply measuring the shadows in Plato’s cave. It is important to understand this so that you can further understand that there isn’t any explanation to be got along these lines, and therefore every proffered explanation is going to involve some kind of ghost story.

    The people who believe these ghost stories are absolutely disastrous when they come to power, and they do every kind of evil under the sun. We are talking here about economists, educators, physicians, scientists of all kinds (not just social scientists), and all world-improvers and busybodies. They lack the skills of the real politician because they know not men but only abstractions. The gap is not something that they should worry about let alone interfere with, and they need to just leave it alone.

    • Disagree: MEH 0910
    • Replies: @bomag
    @Intelligent Dasein

    So what, then, is the proper interrogation of nature?

    The other side is certainly coming at us with HBD and statistics, telling us we suck and that we need to go extinct.

    The battle started long ago, and we have to fight with the weapons at hand.

    , @Tex
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Your “passive social Darwinism” is essentially Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s recommended policy of benign neglect, and it is something I have long advocated, including here in these pages.
     
    The enemy is implacably hostile to passive Social Darwinism. That's the whole point of Soros's plunge into funding DA races, to shield the criminal classes from social consequences for crime.

    We can hope that normies will eventually have had enough and react (that'll be interesting to see) in some effective manner (ie not voting in rigged elections). But short of that HBD plays a role in proselytizing for the team. Moreover, it lays the intellectual groundwork for preventing the enemy's return to power. Benign neglect pretty much assumes some form of rule of law, which is precisely what the enemy seeks to overturn. They have a flexible ideology focused on power, based on a long established narrative of victimhood. I don't think we can compete without our own coherent ideology that serves the interests of ourselves, White Americans. Ultimately, we need that as a positive goal, establishing our own power to shape society in our best interests, along with the negative one of never giving the enemy an inch.
  • From the Washington Post news pages: The Roman Empire is for dweebs. Real men think about the Roman Republic.
  • Real men think about the Holy Roman Empire, a.k.a. Roman Catholicism as it was before the Vatican II atrocity.

  • A friend who knows a lot of the great rock stars from the 1975-1985 era recently told me that, of course, the two greatest rock concert films are Martin Scorsese's rather conventional depiction of The Band's The Last Waltz in 1978 and Jonathan Demme's highly artistic Talking Heads movie Stop Making Sense in 1984, which...
  • @Hunsdon
    @Pentheus

    Your mention of the Clash made me think about the hitherto uncompared (by me, at least!) evolution of the Clash and Talking Heads, about how they both adopted a super polyrhythmic and layered style over such a very few short years. If you compare, say, the '77 debut with even, say, London Calling, to say nothing of Sandinista, "the only band that matters" sure did evolve, change and grow in short order. Then if you look at Big Audio Dynamite after the big bustup, holy crap, I still think BAD was ahead of its time. I'm going to go listen to "The Bottom Line" now.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Pentheus

    The Stevite in full.

    Close the comments; this one’s done.

  • We are now at the 22nd anniversary of the 9/11 Attacks that ushered in our current century and unleashed a series of wars, killing or displacing many millions. The highest-profile terrorist attacks in human history had tremendous importance both for the world and our own country, but a couple of decades later their memory has...
  • @PhysicistDave
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Intelligent Dasein wrote to Rurik:


    The debris falls “at freefall speed,” controlled demolition or not, because it is falling. The acceleration due to gravity is the same for both controlled and uncontrolled collapses. What other speed did you expect debris to fall at?
     
    ID, the argument the cultists give is that, as the upper stories hit the lower stories, the lower stories slow down the upper stories and so it cannot fall at a free-fall speed.

    That is actually true, as far as it goes, which is not very far. If the collapse had started at the very top story, then the acceleration would have simply been one-third the acceleration of gravity, pretty much all the way down.

    Indeed, if the Twin Towers had been, say, a thousand stories high, that would have been the asymptotic acceleration towards the end of the collapse to leading order. That would mean that the total collapse time would be SQRT(3) = 1.732 times the free-fall time, which of course is longer than actually observed... if the collapse had started at the top story. I worked this out some years ago on my own -- took me about an hour. This is easy for any competent physicist or high-level structural engineer, similar to a frosh homework assignment for us back at Caltech.

    But of course the collapse did not start at the top story, but rather about fifteen stories down for the North Tower, and lower for the South Tower.

    And more than a third of the collapse time that I just estimated would have been required just for the top fifteen stories to collapse -- it would start slowly if it started from the very top story. Take that into account, and you guess a fall time of about 1.09 times free-fall time, which is of course consistent with observations.

    But even that is not quite right: you have to take into account that the velocity of the top fifteen stories came in one fell swoop, not in a cascading collapse. Solving for this initial condition can only be done by numerically integrating the differential equation (at least, I do not know how to solve this analytically, right now).

    In fact, Zdeněk Bažant, a Professor at Northwestern who is one of the world's experts on structural collapse, has in fact done this calculation, also taking into account other issues such as the energy required to cause the lover beams to buckle, to break up the concrete, etc. You can find his relevant papers and discussion, including discussions of criticisms from "9/11 Truther" critics here.

    Our cultists here know about Zdeněk Bažant's work: they just don't care.

    They disparage the fact that he is one of the top experts in the world in this discipline, because they are obsessed with the Internet meme that the opinions of some high-school dropout sitting in his pajamas in his mom's basement have just as much validity as the opinions of one of the world's top technical experts.

    They confuse the "argument from authority fallacy," where someone appeals to an "authority" who is not really an authority, with the fact that there are really are legitimate authorities who really do know more than ordinary people do.

    And, most of all, they lack the interest or the intellectual ability to actually read Bažant's papers, because their faith in their "Truther" nonsense has become central to their sense of personal identity.

    And if they read and understood Bažant's work, they would lose their faith.

    Anyway, I hope I have given you some sense of what happened with the Twin Towers' collapse from a technical viewpoint and, more importantly, what is going on with the "9/11 Truthers" here.

    It is a bizarre, pseudo-religious cult of people who are most assuredly psychotic paranoid schizophrenics. To a man. I have been interacting with them for weeks -- all mad as a hatter.

    I plan on posting some details on the actual differential equation that explains the Twin Towers' collapse some time in the future, though to get all the details you really have to go to Zdeněk Bažant's work cited above.

    By the way, the con artist Mark Gaffney keeps citing work by a guy named Greg Urich, claiming it shows that Bažant is wrong. Urich thinks that Bažant somewhat over-estimated the weight of the Twin Towers, but as Urich himself reportedly recognized, that actually does not matter. To leading order the mass drops out of the differential equation. As Bažant emphasizes, his analysis is very, very robust: very substantial errors in the estimated parameters do not significantly impact the results.

    I have pointed this out to Gaffney, but it makes no difference: he is a con artist who makes money selling books pushing lies about 9/11.

    He just doesn't care.

    Anyway, hope this helps you see what is going on.

    Take care.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento (B.S. Caltech; Ph.D., physics, Stanford, 1983)

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Intelligent Dasein, @AB_Anonymous

    Hello Dave,

    Thank you for the response and for the link to the technical papers. I’m looking at 405 now and I will read them more in depth later.

  • @Rurik
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Once enough support is removed, the building falls down under its own weight.

    Most of the debris falls straight down, i.e. “into its own footprint,” controlled demolition or not, because that’s the direction the gravitational force vector points. What other direction did you expect it to fall in?
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fms8r2dRu_8

    steel fame buildings are even much stronger than reinforced concrete

    there are lots of these videos, and these are attempted professional controlled demolitions, not a modern steel frame building that collapsed 'due to office fires'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o8CTWxMyUY

    I have a hard time believing that a “controlled demolitions expert” had no prior knowledge of Building 7’s collapse

     

    he was from Denmark, and how many videos or news reports were there of Building 7's collapse on US television, let alone European television?

    How many people that you know, have ever heard of Building 7 to this day?

    No, it’s not. It is proof, at most, of inaccurate reporting on a very confusing and emotionally tumultuous day.
     
    like I said, pre-reporting on Building 7, (even explaining it, as Fox news did, 'incredible structural damage'), before it fell, was the equivalent of reporting the first plane hitting the tower twenty minutes before it did.

    And if they were in on it, don’t you think they would be extra careful not to pre-report it, as this would be highly suspicious?
     
    They fucked up. Building 7 was supposed to fall much earlier that day, likely just after the two other towers collapsed, and there was a huge cloud of dust in the air, to mask the collapse.

    So they had to 'wing it', and yes, in the confusion to get the reports out to their journalists, they messed it up, and were caught.

    Anyway, why would the news media be in on it? What do they have to do with it?
     
    to sell the narrative, duh. Just like the WMD, or Covid, or Russia's unprovoked attack, or any other of the lies ju jour we're fed on any given day, by the ((lying media)). Duh.

    risk leaking the information ahead of time to the people with the megaphone? Doing so does not help your cause at all; rather, it vastly increases the chances of a simple mistake ruining the whole thing
     
    .
    Bingo!

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    there are lots of these videos,

    I know. What’s your point?

    Once again, you seem to have trouble with epistemic contextualization. How exactly do these videos strengthen your side of the argument? Are you trying to say that controlled demolitions can go wrong? Yes, I know they can. However, the argument from 9/11 Truthers has always been that the WTCs must have been controlled because they look just like controlled demolitions that went right. These videos, on the other hand, which are of uncontroversially controlled demolitions, look nothing like 9/11. The videos are not material to the argument you are trying to make.

    They fucked up. Building 7 was supposed to fall much earlier that day, likely just after the two other towers collapsed, and there was a huge cloud of dust in the air, to mask the collapse.

    Even if dust had masked the collapse, it still would have dawned on people to wonder why Building 7 collapsed in the first place. If it simply fell down at the same time, seemingly in sympathy with 1 and 2, despite not being struck by a plane, but not having burned for hours, that would have looked even more suspicious than what actually happened, so it seems that is an unlikely avenue for conspirators to take.

    In any case, it would have been orders of magnitude more difficult to demolish it on the second attempt after screwing up the first attempt. Thousands of feet of wire would have to be traced to find the fault(s). Hundreds of detonators and explosive charges would have to be checked; many of them would have to be repositioned or replaced. All this would need to take place in few hours, inside a building that was heavily structurally damaged in unpredictable ways, and was on fire at the time. A whole new blast sequence would have to be developed on the fly. All this would need to be done without the hundreds of emergency personnel onsite suspecting anything. Does that sound plausible to you?

    • Replies: @Rurik
    @Intelligent Dasein


    These videos, on the other hand, which are of uncontroversially controlled demolitions, look nothing like 9/11. The videos are not material to the argument you are trying to make.
     
    the point the videos make, is that the comment I was responding to,

    Because there is no essential difference between controlled and uncontrolled demolition—they both lead to collapse, for exactly the same reasons. Once enough support is removed, the building falls down under its own weight.

    Most of the debris falls straight down, i.e. “into its own footprint,” controlled demolition or not, because that’s the direction the gravitational force vector points. What other direction did you expect it to fall in?
     
    is beyond idiotic

    so idiotic in fact, that I'd have to say you must be one of the people who is not sincere, and who is not here in good faith, because no one can be that stupid, as to purport that a modern steel frame building would fall through itself, into its basement, because of gravity. And I posted those videos to punctuate that point. If you're still too stupid, (or worse) to comprehend that, then there's nothing I can do for you.

    Yes, at a certain point, some people are so obtuse, (or worse) that a certain amount of judicious scorn is inevitable.
    , @MarLuc7
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Even if dust had masked the collapse, it still would have dawned on people to wonder why Building 7 collapsed in the first place. If it simply fell down at the same time, seemingly in sympathy with 1 and 2, despite not being struck by a plane, but not having burned for hours, that would have looked even more suspicious than what actually happened, so it seems that is an unlikely avenue for conspirators to take.

    In any case, it would have been orders of magnitude more difficult to demolish it on the second attempt after screwing up the first attempt. Thousands of feet of wire would have to be traced to find the fault(s). Hundreds of detonators and explosive charges would have to be checked; many of them would have to be repositioned or replaced. All this would need to take place in few hours, inside a building that was heavily structurally damaged in unpredictable ways, and was on fire at the time. A whole new blast sequence would have to be developed on the fly. All this would need to be done without the hundreds of emergency personnel onsite suspecting anything. Does that sound plausible to you?
     
    The embarrassing story mainstream media was forced to go with is that Building 7 collapse due to structural damage inflicted upon it by the twin towers falling. Look it up. This was their first initial story. Years later NIST finally issues a report stating it was "Normal Office Fires" that collapsed WTC Building 7 ---Symmetrically, at free fall speeds...straight down into its own footprint. A burning sofa and desk collapsed steel skyscraper.

    In any case, it would have been orders of magnitude more difficult to demolish it on the second attempt after screwing up the first attempt. Thousands of feet of wire would have to be traced to find the fault(s). Hundreds of detonators and explosive charges would have to be checked; many of them would have to be repositioned or replaced.
     
    Not true. You obviously do not know much about modern demolition techniques and circuitry. It is monitored and controlled by software. And the software runs error checking, continuity checking, current, resistance and voltage checking algorithms constantly. Circuits are designed in Parallel, not Series. The resistance value and total impedance of each parallel leg of the circuit is known and monitored. Any segment of any leg that opens is immediately flagged by built in test circuitry (aka...software). So to fix an open leg would be very simple. You look at your wiring schematic, immediately pinpoint to the open wiring leg or failed component and then you send one guy back into the building, get it done and get the hell out.

    That one such guy in Building 7....is THIS CUNT OF A MAN: Scroll to 3:20 of this video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaalgkywjDw

    Think of modern demolition technology like taking your car to Auto Zone or WallMart and having the employees hook up on OBD II Code reader to your car and tell you exactly what component is throwing a failure flag.
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  • @Mike Tre
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The question was posed rhetorically "Does anyone with kids...?" I can't help it if you don't like the answer. :)

    Look, I've been round and round with bicycle enthusiasts. IMO, the simplest way to address the diversity of forced vehicle integration (I hope you see the parallel I'm drawing) is natural: The larger vehicle has the right of way. Period.

    You know what this does, it puts the responsibility back on the cyclist and the pedestrian to manage their own safety, and not on the motorist. Bike and walk in the street at your own risk.

    Because on the roads, pedestrians and cyclists are the minorities, and they behave with the same sense of entitlement that minorities have in the societal realm.

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    IMO, the simplest way to address the diversity of forced vehicle integration (I hope you see the parallel I’m drawing) is natural: The larger vehicle has the right of way. Period.

    One of the strange things about our road network is that it is not at all optimized for commerce. The industrial activity that actually builds the thing in the first place is forced to share the right of way with day-trippers, joyriders, and an ever-increasing number of golems who seem to be tootling along for no apparent reason, frustrating the people who are actually doing business. It is one of the many signs that America is not really a serious nation.

    This must and will change in the future, as economic reality forces us to adopt a more serious mindset. In essence, it is clear that highways, at least, must be deemed presumptively freight arteries, meaning that trucks and other licensed commercial vehicles should have the right of relatively unobstructed travel, perhaps in a dedicated lane. Private automobile traffic should be subject to higher gasoline fees and a luxury tax for highway travel, which would cut down on the number of frivolous trips.

    No private driver, myself included, will be happy about having to incur this cost at first, but I think it is necessary for the greater good. It will save hundreds of billions of dollars per year in improved productivity, travel times, and fuel consumption.

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  • We are now at the 22nd anniversary of the 9/11 Attacks that ushered in our current century and unleashed a series of wars, killing or displacing many millions. The highest-profile terrorist attacks in human history had tremendous importance both for the world and our own country, but a couple of decades later their memory has...
  • @Rurik
    @Intelligent Dasein


    First, we would have to assume that Building 7 was already prewired for demolition.
     
    all you have to do is watch the building imploding, to see that it was obviously a controlled demolition

    or baring that, look at the controlled demolition expert saying so on video, when he's obviously not connected to the event

    Or watch the several videos of news agencies pre-reporting the collapse, before it even happened

    or consider that this worst crime in American history, had the forensic evidence of this crime, (and structural engineering miracle) all shipped off to China to be melted down so it couldn't be investigated.

    Or consider that Bush demanded that there was no need for any investigation at all, until he was forced into it, by the Jersey Girls, (who would not be bribed with millions into looking the other way), and then when they realized they were going to have to "investigate" it, they at first chose Henry Kissinger! to head it up.

    This is just a tiny, infinitesimal litany of the evidence that they're lying, and that 9/11 was an inside job.

    Building 7 is the smoking gun. It was obviously a controlled demolition, and the fact it was pre-reported, is proof, PROOF, that they knew it was going to implode. An implosion that not one of these lying scum can come up with any feasible rationale for how Building 7 collapsed that day.

    "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

    It was impossible for Building 7 to collapse into its basement at freefall speed. It was impossible for several news agencies to know it would do so, unless it had been wired to do so.

    It would be the exact same thing, as CNN or the BBC reporting the first plane hitting the tower twenty minutes before it did. All sane people would want (demand) to know how they knew.

    But when it comes to building seven, people's psyche's kick in, and the truth simply becomes too terrible for them to contemplate, so they do mental somersaults and cognitive pirouettes to avoid what must be, (yes, I admit) a terrifying reality.

    But we've been here before. At Waco, they machine-gunned the people trying to flee the burning building. They had machine guns set up at the only exit, because they knew instinct would kick in, and the people would try to avoid the flames burning them alive. So they machine gunned them at the exit. The coroner called those death homicides, because they obviously weren't suicides.

    And they got away with those lies. Just as they got away with the heinous and cowardly attack on the USS Liberty, simply by lying about it.

    When they realized they can get away with ANYTHING, because they control the media, and because the American people are incapable of comprehending how malevolent they're capable of being, they figured how hard can doing a 9/11 be, when all we have to do is lie about it on television, and have all the politicians all agree, (like they did at Waco and with the Liberty), then it's going to be a wash.

    Your post is sort of proof, that they were right.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    all you have to do is watch the building imploding, to see that it was obviously a controlled demolition

    This is the begging the question. The collapse of any large building, for any reason, looks the same. They all look like “controlled demolitions.” Why? Because there is no essential difference between controlled and uncontrolled demolition—they both lead to collapse, for exactly the same reasons. Once enough support is removed, the building falls down under its own weight.

    Most of the debris falls straight down, i.e. “into its own footprint,” controlled demolition or not, because that’s the direction the gravitational force vector points. What other direction did you expect it to fall in?

    The debris falls “at freefall speed,” controlled demolition or not, because it is falling. The acceleration due to gravity is the same for both controlled and uncontrolled collapses. What other speed did you expect debris to fall at?

    or baring that, look at the controlled demolition expert saying so on video, when he’s obviously not connected to the event

    This is not an argument. I have a hard time believing that a “controlled demolitions expert” had no prior knowledge of Building 7’s collapse and was utterly naive and witnessing it for the first time during the making of that homespun documentary. If he really was that ignorant, he isn’t much of an expert. Anybody can say anything they want in a video; it isn’t forensic testimony.

    Building 7 is the smoking gun. It was obviously a controlled demolition, and the fact it was pre-reported, is proof, PROOF, that they knew it was going to implode.

    No, it’s not. It is proof, at most, of inaccurate reporting on a very confusing and emotionally tumultuous day. If the news agencies were pre-reporting it, that means they were in on the conspiracy to blow up the building. And if they were in on it, don’t you think they would be extra careful not to pre-report it, as this would be highly suspicious? Anyway, why would the news media be in on it? What do they have to do with it? If you were masterminding a criminal plot like this, would you risk leaking the information ahead of time to the people with the megaphone? Doing so does not help your cause at all; rather, it vastly increases the chances of a simple mistake ruining the whole thing. It just doesn’t make any sense.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Once enough support is removed, the building falls down under its own weight.

    Most of the debris falls straight down, i.e. “into its own footprint,” controlled demolition or not, because that’s the direction the gravitational force vector points. What other direction did you expect it to fall in?
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fms8r2dRu_8

    steel fame buildings are even much stronger than reinforced concrete

    there are lots of these videos, and these are attempted professional controlled demolitions, not a modern steel frame building that collapsed 'due to office fires'.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o8CTWxMyUY

    I have a hard time believing that a “controlled demolitions expert” had no prior knowledge of Building 7’s collapse

     

    he was from Denmark, and how many videos or news reports were there of Building 7's collapse on US television, let alone European television?

    How many people that you know, have ever heard of Building 7 to this day?

    No, it’s not. It is proof, at most, of inaccurate reporting on a very confusing and emotionally tumultuous day.
     
    like I said, pre-reporting on Building 7, (even explaining it, as Fox news did, 'incredible structural damage'), before it fell, was the equivalent of reporting the first plane hitting the tower twenty minutes before it did.

    And if they were in on it, don’t you think they would be extra careful not to pre-report it, as this would be highly suspicious?
     
    They fucked up. Building 7 was supposed to fall much earlier that day, likely just after the two other towers collapsed, and there was a huge cloud of dust in the air, to mask the collapse.

    So they had to 'wing it', and yes, in the confusion to get the reports out to their journalists, they messed it up, and were caught.

    Anyway, why would the news media be in on it? What do they have to do with it?
     
    to sell the narrative, duh. Just like the WMD, or Covid, or Russia's unprovoked attack, or any other of the lies ju jour we're fed on any given day, by the ((lying media)). Duh.

    risk leaking the information ahead of time to the people with the megaphone? Doing so does not help your cause at all; rather, it vastly increases the chances of a simple mistake ruining the whole thing
     
    .
    Bingo!

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    , @PhysicistDave
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Intelligent Dasein wrote to Rurik:


    The debris falls “at freefall speed,” controlled demolition or not, because it is falling. The acceleration due to gravity is the same for both controlled and uncontrolled collapses. What other speed did you expect debris to fall at?
     
    ID, the argument the cultists give is that, as the upper stories hit the lower stories, the lower stories slow down the upper stories and so it cannot fall at a free-fall speed.

    That is actually true, as far as it goes, which is not very far. If the collapse had started at the very top story, then the acceleration would have simply been one-third the acceleration of gravity, pretty much all the way down.

    Indeed, if the Twin Towers had been, say, a thousand stories high, that would have been the asymptotic acceleration towards the end of the collapse to leading order. That would mean that the total collapse time would be SQRT(3) = 1.732 times the free-fall time, which of course is longer than actually observed... if the collapse had started at the top story. I worked this out some years ago on my own -- took me about an hour. This is easy for any competent physicist or high-level structural engineer, similar to a frosh homework assignment for us back at Caltech.

    But of course the collapse did not start at the top story, but rather about fifteen stories down for the North Tower, and lower for the South Tower.

    And more than a third of the collapse time that I just estimated would have been required just for the top fifteen stories to collapse -- it would start slowly if it started from the very top story. Take that into account, and you guess a fall time of about 1.09 times free-fall time, which is of course consistent with observations.

    But even that is not quite right: you have to take into account that the velocity of the top fifteen stories came in one fell swoop, not in a cascading collapse. Solving for this initial condition can only be done by numerically integrating the differential equation (at least, I do not know how to solve this analytically, right now).

    In fact, Zdeněk Bažant, a Professor at Northwestern who is one of the world's experts on structural collapse, has in fact done this calculation, also taking into account other issues such as the energy required to cause the lover beams to buckle, to break up the concrete, etc. You can find his relevant papers and discussion, including discussions of criticisms from "9/11 Truther" critics here.

    Our cultists here know about Zdeněk Bažant's work: they just don't care.

    They disparage the fact that he is one of the top experts in the world in this discipline, because they are obsessed with the Internet meme that the opinions of some high-school dropout sitting in his pajamas in his mom's basement have just as much validity as the opinions of one of the world's top technical experts.

    They confuse the "argument from authority fallacy," where someone appeals to an "authority" who is not really an authority, with the fact that there are really are legitimate authorities who really do know more than ordinary people do.

    And, most of all, they lack the interest or the intellectual ability to actually read Bažant's papers, because their faith in their "Truther" nonsense has become central to their sense of personal identity.

    And if they read and understood Bažant's work, they would lose their faith.

    Anyway, I hope I have given you some sense of what happened with the Twin Towers' collapse from a technical viewpoint and, more importantly, what is going on with the "9/11 Truthers" here.

    It is a bizarre, pseudo-religious cult of people who are most assuredly psychotic paranoid schizophrenics. To a man. I have been interacting with them for weeks -- all mad as a hatter.

    I plan on posting some details on the actual differential equation that explains the Twin Towers' collapse some time in the future, though to get all the details you really have to go to Zdeněk Bažant's work cited above.

    By the way, the con artist Mark Gaffney keeps citing work by a guy named Greg Urich, claiming it shows that Bažant is wrong. Urich thinks that Bažant somewhat over-estimated the weight of the Twin Towers, but as Urich himself reportedly recognized, that actually does not matter. To leading order the mass drops out of the differential equation. As Bažant emphasizes, his analysis is very, very robust: very substantial errors in the estimated parameters do not significantly impact the results.

    I have pointed this out to Gaffney, but it makes no difference: he is a con artist who makes money selling books pushing lies about 9/11.

    He just doesn't care.

    Anyway, hope this helps you see what is going on.

    Take care.

    Dave Miller in Sacramento (B.S. Caltech; Ph.D., physics, Stanford, 1983)

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    , @Truth Vigilante
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Non-Intelligent De-Stain writes:


    The collapse of any large building, for any reason, looks the same. They all look like “controlled demolitions.” Why? Because there is no essential difference between controlled and uncontrolled demolition
     
    This is the ASININE COMMENT OF THE WEEK.

    The buildings you've seen collapse in videos, look like they were controlled demolitions and the collapses looks more or less the same because .... (wait for it) .... they EFF'N WELL WERE CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS.

    QUESTION: What are some of the characteristics of a controlled demolition ?
    ANSWER: Almost always when a building is brought down intentionally, explosive charges are positioned in such a way that the building IMPLODES IN ON ITSELF, so that it collapses in its own footprint.

    This is done for a variety of reasons, but the main one is that THERE ARE OTHER BUILDINGS ADJACENT TO THE ONE BEING BROUGHT DOWN and they don't want to damage nearby structures.
    (There have been cases where controlled demolitions went wrong, the building fell to one side, and rubble was propelled as far away as a kilometre, killing a bystander).

    In REAL LIFE, when a building collapses (ie: due to an earthquake, shoddy construction etc), one or more load bearing supports gives out first.
    When that happens, THE BUILDING INVARIABLY LEANS IN THAT DIRECTION (thus putting excess load on structural supports adjacent to it - which soon buckle under the weight themselves, and soon enough the building collapses TO ONE SIDE.

    Watch the few seconds of the video below from 1:10 - 1:40 of a building collapse in the Philippines, which WAS NOT a controlled demolition:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIU2n3AV2_s&t=61s

    OK, got it now Mr De-Stain ? That's how UNPLANNED collapses actually look like.

    When a building falls FOR ANY REASON (other than a controlled demolition), it will fall in such a way where there is LEAST RESISTANCE. ie: to one side.

    That's because if, for example, the 1oth floor of a ten storey building decides to collapse straight down, it will encounter RESISTANCE from the 9th floor below it, which in turn will encounter resistance from the 8th floor below it ... etc.
    And that resistance from the floor below is ENORMOUS. ie: each floor may hold out for hours, days or even WEEKS before it gives way (assuming it gives way at all).

    Of course, you will counter by saying that, in the case of the WTC towers on 9/11, you saw one floor 'crush the floor below' in no time at all, which then 'crushed' the one below and so forth.
    I have news for you:


    ON 9/11 NO FLOOR CRUSHED ANY OTHER FLOOR IN QUICK SUCCESSION.
    EACH FLOOR WAS BLOWN UP in a synchronous manner.
     
    You did not witness a fire induced gravity collapse (as the Zio controlled USG and MSM would have you believe).

    What you saw was a MOSSAD INDUCED EXPLOSIVE COLLAPSE.
     

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    @Known Fact

    Fountains of Wayne's "Stacy's Mom" by covid victim Adam Schlesinger is a tribute to the Cars' "My Best Friend's Girlfriend."

    Replies: @Known Fact, @Intelligent Dasein, @AceDeuce

    Fountains of Wayne’s “Stacy’s Mom” by covid victim Adam Schlesinger…

    You mean, “ventilator victim.”

    What in the world could be the reason for casually tossing this misleading factoid into a conversation where it has no relevance? And while we’re at it, has anyone ever seen Steve so engaged in the comments than he has been in this post, where the topic of conversation is all about punk rockers and California venues? I submit that my assessment of Sailer’s intellectual contributions now stand proven, res ipsa loquitur.

  • We are now at the 22nd anniversary of the 9/11 Attacks that ushered in our current century and unleashed a series of wars, killing or displacing many millions. The highest-profile terrorist attacks in human history had tremendous importance both for the world and our own country, but a couple of decades later their memory has...
  • @saggy

    In that fascinating interview, a professional demolition expert named Danny Jowenko who was largely ignorant of the 9/11 attacks immediately identified the filmed collapse of WTC Building 7 as a controlled-demolition, and the remarkable clip was broadcast worldwide on Press TV and widely discussed across the Internet.
     
    Again, Unz writes an article of pure idiocy.

    Read the NIST report linked above to find out why Building 7 came down.

    But, you don't need to read that. How do the idiots who think it was wired explain the culprits plan, it must have gone something like this ..


    PLAN A
    Smart culprit - "We'll wire the buildings to bring them down. But we'll disguise this by flying planes into the buildings, but, we only have two planes, so let's only wire two buildings."

    Dumb culprit - "Look we'll wire all three buildings, the stupid goyim won't notice that no plane hit Building 7"

    PLAN B
    Dumb culprit - "We'll fly planes into two buildings, and wire Building 7"

    Smart culprit - "Why not just wire all the buildings to avoid having to hijack the planes?"

    Dumb culprit - "Duh"

    Plus - if you look up how a building is wired - it is impossible to do while it's occupied, they not only place bombs, they cut columns and other structures .... I'll post a vid if anyone is interested ...

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    9/11 Truthers are not very skilled at epistemic contextualism. They don’t track the plot; they don’t think about how things would have to be done and what kind of preparations that would entail, and who would have to know about them; they don’t care about who is saying what to whom and why, and what they knew at the time. They just lift facts and snippets of dialogue out of context and assemble them into alternative explanations of reality.

    One particularly egregious example of this is the mythology they’ve woven around Larry Silverstein saying “maybe the best thing to do is to pull it.”

    The Truthers would have us believe that this was Silverstein giving the order to proceed with the controlled demolition of Building 7, but this makes no sense at all in context.

    First of all, the quote comes from an interview Silverstein was doing for a PBS documentary. It was him talking about an event that occurred several years in the past. And what was he talking about? He was talking about a telephone conversation he had with the Fire Commander on 9/11. If this had anything to do with a controlled demolition, we would have to assume the following:

    First, we would have to assume that Building 7 was already prewired for demolition. We would have to assume that both Larry Silverstein and the Fire Commander knew this and were in on the plot to demolish the building, since that is supposedly what they were talking about. We would have to assume that the Fire Commander, even though he intended to blow up the building, for some reason allowed his men in and around the building to fight the fires that were burning there, where they might be blown up or at the very least discover some evidence of the planted explosives. Then we would have to assume that the masterminds of 9/11, having no clear plan as to when they wanted Building 7 to come down, left this critical decision strangely in the hands of Larry Silverstein and the Fire Commander. We have to assume that either Silverstein or the Commander had access to the controls to initiate the demolition, or were in communication with the people who did have such access (in which case, since their locations and communications at the time were known, would be an easily discoverable smoking gun). And finally, to crown it all, we have to assume that, after going through all this elaborate maskirovka to pull off the crime of the century, Larry Silverstein decides to just casually admit to it all on national television.

    This is the theorizing of people who cannot tell fantasy from reality, who never outgrew the phase of childhood when they think the people on sitcom television are both real and looking back at them, and who have a talismanic and magical conception of language rather than a logical one. These are the 9/11 Truthers.

    The ineptly named “Truth” movement has done irreparable damage to the collective sanity of our society. It has accustomed tens of millions of people to the dangerous habits of sloppy, decontextualized thinking and of believing things without evidence and without reason. And it has created an heuristic out of the loopy notion that official sources always lie about everything, and since they always lie about everything, any crazy-ass alternative notion I come up with must be the truth. This is a recipe for civilizational disaster that has done more harm to our society than the 9/11 attacks themselves.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Rurik
    @Intelligent Dasein


    First, we would have to assume that Building 7 was already prewired for demolition.
     
    all you have to do is watch the building imploding, to see that it was obviously a controlled demolition

    or baring that, look at the controlled demolition expert saying so on video, when he's obviously not connected to the event

    Or watch the several videos of news agencies pre-reporting the collapse, before it even happened

    or consider that this worst crime in American history, had the forensic evidence of this crime, (and structural engineering miracle) all shipped off to China to be melted down so it couldn't be investigated.

    Or consider that Bush demanded that there was no need for any investigation at all, until he was forced into it, by the Jersey Girls, (who would not be bribed with millions into looking the other way), and then when they realized they were going to have to "investigate" it, they at first chose Henry Kissinger! to head it up.

    This is just a tiny, infinitesimal litany of the evidence that they're lying, and that 9/11 was an inside job.

    Building 7 is the smoking gun. It was obviously a controlled demolition, and the fact it was pre-reported, is proof, PROOF, that they knew it was going to implode. An implosion that not one of these lying scum can come up with any feasible rationale for how Building 7 collapsed that day.

    "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

    It was impossible for Building 7 to collapse into its basement at freefall speed. It was impossible for several news agencies to know it would do so, unless it had been wired to do so.

    It would be the exact same thing, as CNN or the BBC reporting the first plane hitting the tower twenty minutes before it did. All sane people would want (demand) to know how they knew.

    But when it comes to building seven, people's psyche's kick in, and the truth simply becomes too terrible for them to contemplate, so they do mental somersaults and cognitive pirouettes to avoid what must be, (yes, I admit) a terrifying reality.

    But we've been here before. At Waco, they machine-gunned the people trying to flee the burning building. They had machine guns set up at the only exit, because they knew instinct would kick in, and the people would try to avoid the flames burning them alive. So they machine gunned them at the exit. The coroner called those death homicides, because they obviously weren't suicides.

    And they got away with those lies. Just as they got away with the heinous and cowardly attack on the USS Liberty, simply by lying about it.

    When they realized they can get away with ANYTHING, because they control the media, and because the American people are incapable of comprehending how malevolent they're capable of being, they figured how hard can doing a 9/11 be, when all we have to do is lie about it on television, and have all the politicians all agree, (like they did at Waco and with the Liberty), then it's going to be a wash.

    Your post is sort of proof, that they were right.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @Looger
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The great thing about a movement is that all the shortcomings you're describing are EXACTLY the things you yourself should be looking into.

    Oh wow you looked at thousands of peoples' online drivel and you made a general conclusion about everyone everywhere.
    '
    You sir are a fucking hero.

    , @saggy
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Epistemic contextualism
     
    Yep, exactly right. Lack of it results in pure idiocy, coupled with people who know absolutely nothing about technical subjects giving 'expert' opinions. It's weird.

    The ineptly named “Truth” movement has done irreparable damage to the collective sanity of our society.
     
    That, and Trump with his fake news, and now 'stop the steal', not to mention gay pride, transsexuals, hormone blockers and Frankenstein surgery on children .... this society is really f**cked up, seriously. Imagine being a teenager, i.e. formative years, in this insanity. And we're dealing death and destruction to the rest of the world and have been for a long time.
  • The 9/11 “Truth” movement is better off forgotten.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
    @Intelligent Dasein

    So much for intelligence, Mr. Dasein.

    , @Liosnagcat
    @Intelligent Dasein

    When Fran Taubman agrees with you, you really should reassess your position.

  • A friend who knows a lot of the great rock stars from the 1975-1985 era recently told me that, of course, the two greatest rock concert films are Martin Scorsese's rather conventional depiction of The Band's The Last Waltz in 1978 and Jonathan Demme's highly artistic Talking Heads movie Stop Making Sense in 1984, which...
  • @Dumbo
    I like listening to all kinds of music, and Talking Heads were good in their prime, but I dislike concerts in general. I went to a few and they didn't do much for me, that I couldn't get from listening to their music at home.

    I think it has to do with this communal experience, "mingling/getting lost in the crowd" thing. I was never really able to do that. Same reason political speeches and such also don't affect me. I think some people have this kind of "communal" thing of getting lost in the crowd quite easily, while others don't.

    More studies are needed.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Intelligent Dasein

    I think it has to do with this communal experience, “mingling/getting lost in the crowd” thing. I was never really able to do that.

    To me, any large crowd always seemed like a mob that might turn instantly dangerous, and they make me quite uncomfortable when they start getting all riled up, such as at a concert. I think the “communal experience” types have lost the primal fear that causes them to constantly sum up their tactical situation. I don’t know how else they can enjoy being there.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Intelligent Dasein


    To me, any large crowd always seemed like a mob that might turn instantly dangerous
     
    You’re skipping the Met Gala this year?

    Replies: @Alfa158

  • A friend asked how many incremental deaths have there been due to the Floyd Effect? 3,000? Nah, it's more like 36,000 according to a simplistic methodology that takes CDC death counts for homicides and motor vehicle accidents for the years 2020-2022 and compares them them to how many there would have been if the average...
  • @Travis
    Excess deaths were due to the lockdowns. The Floyd riots were one result of the lockdowns, thus the increase in homicides is mostly due to the lockdowns which resulted in civil unrest when millions of Americans lost their jobs and the churches, schools and businesses were shuttered. While social gatherings were outlawed with the sole exception of BLM protests. The resulting riots were the result of the lockdowns. Without the lockdowns the Floyd protests never spread beyond Minnesota, would have been a Ferguson effect in Minneapolis instead of rioting across hundreds of cities.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Ani

    This is the plain and simple truth. Whatever validity there is behind Sailer’s dubious “discovery” of the Floyd Effect (and there isn’t much), it is all a derivative of the Covid tyranny. But Steve has an HBD audience to please, so he’s going to keep plugging away at this crap. He’s teeing it up to be the capstone of his career, which I suppose is just as it should be. I couldn’t think of a more fitting nothingburger.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Intelligent Dasein


    But Steve has an HBD audience to please, so he’s going to keep plugging away at this crap. He’s teeing it up to be the capstone of his career, which I suppose is just as it should be. I couldn’t think of a more fitting nothingburger.
     
    Indeed. Steve's recent article about how Burning Man moved 350 miles away from where it was founded simply to make it harder for black people to reach (rural Marin County, five miles away from SF, would have sufficed for that), and the present logistical troubles at Burning Man 2023 didn't descend into cannibalism solely because of no black people present, was about the most "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" thing ever. More specialized than that, in fact : "When all you have is an obsolete Antminer Bitcoin miner of no further use, everything looks like 2015 Bitcoin mining."

    But I feel bad for Steve, as he is catering to just about the least likely to donate subdemographic of a subdemographic ever. Ron Unz's supervisors have unlimited budget (given the true purpose of this website), so Ron's supervisors should pay Steve more.

    I have long been the only one demanding that Ron's supervisors pay Steve more.

  • America's founding principle of federalism became pretty much of a dead letter in mid-century America, what with the demands of being a superpower and the embarrassment of the chief example of states' rights being Jim Crow. But lately we've seen states experimenting in quite different fashions. For example, in 2021 during the Racial Reckoning, the...
  • @res
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Braess’s Paradox is interesting, but how often do you think it occurs in real life? I see some examples, but how many roads are there in this country?

    https://engines.egr.uh.edu/episode/2814
    https://blogs.cornell.edu/info2040/2011/09/25/real-life-example-of-braesss-paradox-bostons-big-dig/
    https://www.quora.com/What-are-examples-of-Braess-Paradox-in-real-life


    FWIW, Owen's argument seemed more to rely on increased traffic fueling mass transit adoption.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Intelligent Dasein

    Braess’s Paradox is interesting, but how often do you think it occurs in real life?

    I’m not sure if the formal version of the paradox occurs with great frequency, but I think the formalized concept is just one node along a continuum of conditions that are fairly ubiquitous in real life. Since the paradox depends on people making rational, self-interested choices, what we have here is essentially just as special case of the Tragedy of the Commons, which seems to cover a lot of what we experience in bad traffic.

    To make a long story short, the road network is a “commons” that comes in for a lot of abuse by shortsighted utilizers. A modern road system incurs heavy construction and maintenance costs which hitherto have been mostly socialized, which is to say, “free at the point of use,” but hidden within a thicket of fuel taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, and state, local, and federal levies.

    There are obvious benefits to such socialization, but it’s also a two-edged sword. On the one hand, it allows great fluidity and flexibility for individuals to use the road network without having to pay a daily toll; but on the other hand, it prevents the individual from having “skin in the game” and puts him at rather far remove from market discipline. These are two sides of the same coin.

    When we say that huge oil price spike in 2008, it changed the rationale for many individual automobile trips rather dramatically, and congestion was noticeably improved. Those days appear to be poised to return as OPEC+Russia cuts output and the Biden admin continues its war on domestic energy with the SPR already drained. If we would like to enjoy the benefits of less congestion without having to endure a ruinous economic depression, we will need to shift the balance of roadway funding more towards “private” and less towards “social.” It is important for smart and erudite people to start making this point now, because when the pain hits there will be plenty of demagogic clowns clamoring for the easy ways out.

  • @ScarletNumber
    @Patrick in SC

    If Steve would allow, I would love a guest post about what it was like to attend a summer debate camp. I can't even imagine such a thing.


    Hanna was like a 40 year old teenager
     
    This was me in middle school. How many middle school kids brought the newspaper to school? I know newspapers are barely a thing anymore, but even when they were, I was the only one. In high school I played the typical sports and extra-curriculars that make up the "well rounded" experience, but I still brought the paper to school.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    This was me in middle school. How many middle school kids brought the newspaper to school?

    When I was in middle school, we were required in social studies classes to read the newspaper and to clip articles, research them, and write reports on them. And this wasn’t ancient times, it was the ’90s.

    I thought this was pretty standard. Am I wrong?

    • Replies: @ScarletNumber
    @Intelligent Dasein

    LOL I went to a pretty shitty middle school, but I can confirm that I was the only one in my grade who read the paper. I think it's great that your teachers made you do so, but sadly I don't even read the paper anymore; Gannett bought my local paper and trashed it.

  • @Jack D

    Owen argued that the way to fight freeway traffic jams is not by adding more lanes but by reducing the number of lanes.
     
    Brilliant! Better yet dynamite all the freeways altogether. No roads, no traffic jams! There are never any traffic jams in rural Pakistan because they don't have any roads.

    This kind of brilliant intellectual insight (Less is more!) which has ensured that America has only gone from strength to strength in the last 30 years.

    Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic, @Reg Cæsar, @Intelligent Dasein, @epebble, @Stan Adams, @Michael Droy

    This kind of brilliant intellectual insight (Less is more!) which has ensured that America has only gone from strength to strength in the last 30 years.

    There’s plenty of examples of this. It’s called Braess’s Paradox. An overloaded highway can make the entire road network less efficient, leading to more traffic jams which would be eliminated by making the highway a less attractive self-interested choice, changing the Nash Equilibrium.

    • Replies: @res
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Braess’s Paradox is interesting, but how often do you think it occurs in real life? I see some examples, but how many roads are there in this country?

    https://engines.egr.uh.edu/episode/2814
    https://blogs.cornell.edu/info2040/2011/09/25/real-life-example-of-braesss-paradox-bostons-big-dig/
    https://www.quora.com/What-are-examples-of-Braess-Paradox-in-real-life


    FWIW, Owen's argument seemed more to rely on increased traffic fueling mass transit adoption.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Intelligent Dasein