RSSThe following is from your earlier comment:
It is pretty obvious from this exchange that Sailer and the Sailerites are not only wrong, but do not know what they are talking about, as I more or less described in my earlier comment
You are clearly not in medicine, are you?And what's with the strawman? Nobody is claiming that race is the cause of disease.But here in the real world, those in medicine rely on race and ethnicity as a broad indicator (because we don't yet have the technology to run quick genetic tests on individual patients) for a whole of host risk factors that are highly medically relevant. Indeed, you admit that "some diseases tend to run more heavily in certain races" - you don't think this is a medically meaningful information?If the patient is black, you consider increased chance of diabetes and kidney disease. If the patient is East Asian, you consider (and scan for) gastric cancer at certain age threshold (East Asians have it at 5 to 13 times the rate of whites). If the patient is Indian (dot, not feather), check for cardio-vascular disease much earlier than other groups. And so on.It's literally stupid not to consider race and ethnicity in medical risk analysis and even diagnosis. This is an insane ideology run amok that is going to harm people!Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
It is, in effect, medically meaningless. Race is more of a stylistic quality or a mode that applies to the organism as a whole. Even given the (correct) observation that some diseases tend to run more heavily in certain races, this does not of course mean that the cause of that disease is “race.”
And what’s with the strawman? Nobody is claiming that race is the cause of disease.
Yes, someone is claiming that. That is exactly what Steve Sailer and his confreres here are implying when they insist that race should be included in the risk assessment without explicitly admitting that race is there functioning as a proxy for other risk factors relevant in the development of heart disease, but that race itself is not a biological cause of heart disease; and it was precisely owning to confusion over this very specific point that the AHA decided to remove race as a risk factor in the development of the model in the first place. The stated goal was to avoid race-specific treatment decisions. In a world where physicians are increasingly mindless automatons applying decision trees to patients they may have never physically interacted with, this is probably for the best.
In case there are any lingering suspicions that the AHA has stopped acknowledging racial disparities in the prevalence of heart disease, we should be clear that the authors of the paper did not attempt to deny that nor even to downplay it:
It is well-documented that significantly higher incidence of CVD is present among certain racial and ethnic groups. Emerging data identify that social factors are the upstream drivers of this disproportionate CVD risk. In one analysis from the CARDIA study, excess risk for diabetes among Black individuals compared with White individuals was nearly completely attributed to differences in neighborhood, socioeconomic, psychosocial, and behavioral factors. In another analysis from the CARDIA study, similar findings were observed to explain the difference in racial disparities in premature CVD.
The authors had no qualms about identifying race as a proxy for, but not a cause of, disparities in the prevalence of heart disease. They specifically structured their argument such that disagreement with this point logically entails that the disputant is asserting that “race” is a biological cause of disease.
Ergo, that is exactly what Steve Sailer is claiming. And if Steve Sailer does not wish to be seen as claiming that, then maybe he needs to read the paper more carefully and reformulate his response.
That's true. "Race itself" isn't the biological cause of anything. But specific genes can cause disease, and those genes are more likely to occur in members of certain ancestry groups (aka "races").
race itself is not a biological cause of heart disease
I don't want to speak for Mr. Sailer, but I don't read him that way.
Yes, someone is claiming that. That is exactly what Steve Sailer and his confreres here are implying when they insist that race should be included in the risk assessment without explicitly admitting that race is there functioning as a proxy for other risk factors relevant in the development of heart disease, but that race itself is not a biological cause of heart disease
This is a common statistical trick when dealing with "race." Yes, if you pick a tiny fraction of black people who live in elite neighborhoods, are extremely affluent, are upper crust, are "psycho-socially" healthy, have not committed crimes, and have not otherwise engaged in other negative "behavioral factors," indeed you might find such a black person to have similar mortality profile as a white person.But we all know that the preponderance of such blacks is miniscule compared to the fraction of such people among whites or Asians.Let me use a bit reductio ad absurdum. I'm pretty sure that if you compared the non-criminal fraction of the black population in America to other groups, they have committed the same amount of crimes (zero) as the number of crimes the non-criminal fraction of whites or Asians have. But we all know in this case that the selection effects are widely divergent by groups, don't we?Also, do you note "nearly" in that quoted statement above? This formulation is used a lot in scientific race talk... for a reason.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @res
In one analysis from the CARDIA study, excess risk for diabetes among Black individuals compared with White individuals was nearly completely attributed to differences in neighborhood, socioeconomic, psychosocial, and behavioral factors.
It is pretty obvious from this exchange that Sailer and the Sailerites are not only wrong, but do not know what they are talking about, as I more or less described in my earlier comment, (which for some reason has been stuck in moderation since last night).
The following is from your earlier comment:
It is pretty obvious from this exchange that Sailer and the Sailerites are not only wrong, but do not know what they are talking about, as I more or less described in my earlier comment
You are clearly not in medicine, are you?And what's with the strawman? Nobody is claiming that race is the cause of disease.But here in the real world, those in medicine rely on race and ethnicity as a broad indicator (because we don't yet have the technology to run quick genetic tests on individual patients) for a whole of host risk factors that are highly medically relevant. Indeed, you admit that "some diseases tend to run more heavily in certain races" - you don't think this is a medically meaningful information?If the patient is black, you consider increased chance of diabetes and kidney disease. If the patient is East Asian, you consider (and scan for) gastric cancer at certain age threshold (East Asians have it at 5 to 13 times the rate of whites). If the patient is Indian (dot, not feather), check for cardio-vascular disease much earlier than other groups. And so on.It's literally stupid not to consider race and ethnicity in medical risk analysis and even diagnosis. This is an insane ideology run amok that is going to harm people!Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
It is, in effect, medically meaningless. Race is more of a stylistic quality or a mode that applies to the organism as a whole. Even given the (correct) observation that some diseases tend to run more heavily in certain races, this does not of course mean that the cause of that disease is “race.”
It’s not a good look to pretend to be obtuse about things which aren’t that difficult to understand. I don’t have any trouble understanding what the AHA means when they say they do not want to reify the concept of biological race. That’s fine; there are plenty of other indicators they could use without making reference to a sensitive, overly politicized topic.
Moreover, they are basically correct in what they are saying. Race is not a biological category. Race does not pertain to any particular organ or tissue or disease etiology. It is, in effect, medically meaningless. Race is more of a stylistic quality or a mode that applies to the organism as a whole. Even given the (correct) observation that some diseases tend to run more heavily in certain races, this does not of course mean that the cause of that disease is “race.” Race is neither a disease nor a cause of disease; it is simply an indicator of what sort of risks an individual might be exposed to. The disease itself—which is the fundamental topic of medical inquiry—has a much more prosaic etiology.
When Steve brings up things like this, it is not so much a symptom of a strange obsession within mainstream culture to insist that race is not a factor in anything, as it is a symptom of a strange obsession within HBD culture to insist that race is a factor in everything. It isn’t. Race, like personality and temperament, is a condition that might dispose people in certain directions, but it doesn’t simply dissolve every other cause into itself; and, like temperament, it is not conclusive. If you were trying to evaluate the linkage between temperament and heart disease, it may be interesting to ask people who had had heart attacks whether they get angry a lot, and you will probably even find some fascinating correlations. Nonetheless, anger is not medical diagnosis, and neither is race.
These comments are such the circular jerk. God created everything; evolutionary whateverism is an evidence-free observation-free troll going on two centuries now. Give it up, atheo-darwinists: you can’t produce a single observed instance of speciation.
Ukraine has >40 million people…
Had.
Jared Diamond specifically argues otherwise …
My, isn’t that sweet of him. What is your point, and why should I give a rat’s ass?
In order to catch horses you mean to keep, you would just need to round up the lost and hungry foals that had been abandoned by their mothers or orphaned. In fact, these are the only kind of horses that you would likely ever catch on foot. You could kill them eat them right away, but you might as well raise them and breed them. There is a path to domestication that is easier than hunting adult specimens.
It was the USA and its NATO companions who did Nord Stream. If they’re blaming Ukraine now, it’s because they know Ukraine is losing the war badly and they are getting ready to throw Ukraine under the bus.
We took the wild animals we found — primitive horse, wild cattle, et al — and bred them into usable forms.
I would suggest that given a few thousand more years, American Indians might have done the same.
Yes, all the evolutionists like to suggest that, but it is wrong. Because Darwinian evolution implicitly asserts that you can get from anywhere to anywhere else with the right selective pressure, it’s common to hear people blithely assume that any plant or animal could be domesticated “given a few thousand years.”
The truth is exactly the opposite. Most plants and animals are not amenable to domestication, and the relative few that are so have been with us since prehistory. There is no easy way to explain this as a chance result. Either the early humans were extremely lucky in their choice of farm companions, or something else is going on.
In short, the wild creatures domesticated themselves. We didn’t take them out of the wild, they came to us because they had some sort of intrinsic tendency to serve humanity. No all the kinds of creatures did this, nor even all the individuals within the kinds that did, but some select individuals were called to this. Only this can explain the rapid development of such deep and necessary symbiotic arrangements. It is the echoes of the dominion of Adam.
Note that a process requiring a hundred generations to complete is not 'a rapid development.'
' Only this can explain the rapid development of such deep and necessary symbiotic arrangements.'
Nothing ever really goes extinct. What happens is that a genus sheds its connotations and reverts to a simpler expression-form. The dinosaurs, for example, are not extinct; it’s just that today we call them birds and iguanas, and they’ve lost some of their former glory.
Nothing could be more absurd than the idea that the Indians killed off all the megafauna by hunting them. As if a few thinly spread bands of humans could range all over the whole North American continent and somehow track down every last beast and kill it before the animals found somewhere to hide. Modern Europeans, with vastly superior numbers, industrial society, locomotives, firearms, poison, and a more-or-less deliberate policy of extermination, did not quite manage to kill off the bison, the coyote, or the wolf, so it’s unlikely that spear-chucking nomads on foot fared any better.
If you believe they did, try a little experiment. Try walking from the Seward Peninsula down to Boca Raton without making use of any roads, and then imagine yourself trying to chase down all the horses in that expanse (on foot). America is a gigantic place, full of mysterious mountain ranges, endless plains, impenetrable forests, uncrossable deserts, and wetlands that could swallow whole European nations without a trace. You will never find all the horses.
The decline of the megafauna cannot be explained by any crude material causes. It was simply the end of an age, the passing of one era into another. The greater beasts sleep in the day of man, but that day too has its limits of which we know not.
Most people can fairly quickly learn to use chopsticks to eat Chinese food, but they wouldn’t be much use for Thanksgiving dinner or desserts.
Funny story: I used to cook a lot of Asian food at home, and I ate with chopsticks so often that I unconsciously started using them even for my “American” meals, like steamed salmon filet and string beans. It’s interesting how it just sinks in.
By the way, I agree with you about mulattas being dateable. Some of them are strikingly good looking and they tend to make the most of their career and educational opportunities.
And white men, by and large, are probably the most cosmopolitan of spouses and are the least deterred by differences of race, ethnicity, or class. White men are thirsty; no matter what kind of woman you are, somewhere there is a white man who will put a ring on it. Concerns for race-purity aside, the white husband has always been a good opportunity for minority women to improve their prospects. I still maintain that if you really want to solve America’s black problem, the best thing for it is white man/black woman miscegenation. Mulatto children with white fathers in the home are not a problem for society.
It’s all the genes.
Then why did the genes–which, in the nature of the case, you must have gotten from your parents—not propel them to be anything more than working class in a dying, mostly dead, coal town?
Simple regression here would indicate that it’s not “all the genes.”
What it is, is being in position to take advantage of the benefits offered by a matured, complex society. Without getting plugged into the system at the right time of your life, in the right ways, and not needing to expend Herculean efforts to do it and burning yourself out, you will not enjoy the charmed outcome. And the process of plugging in is largely a function of what other people do, or have done, for you. If nobody gives you a leg up, you get stuck lumping coal no matter how smart you are.
One of the biggest fallacies of the gene people is this idea that social success is the result of some inherent good quality in the successful person. It’s not. Social success does not equal intelligence, hard work, talent, or “genes.” It is a quality all its own that can exist independently of those other things, and the chief determinant of it is the Iron Law of Oligarchy: those with power will use their power to preserve their power, mostly for themselves and their own children.
But there is, in juridically ordered societies, usually some social mobility and some opportunity for those looking to join the oligarchy from outside, and in our society one of those narrow gates is called “good schools.” That is why people fight so hard to get into them, despite their educational benefits being rather dubious and difficult to quantity.
There was a time in America when those narrow gates were forced open a bit wider, so that the children of the working class could still hope to get through. But that day has drawn to a close, and the hope of the younger people is dwindling out like a candle in a cave.
If you ever hear the animadversion “Okay, Boomer,” that’s what it means.
I want to say one word to you. Just one word:
No energy left to say more?
Yes, indeed. I certainly take your point and I don’t mean to be argumentative, but I would respectfully submit that such things fall under the category of secondary importance.
Things which are merely things—i.e. all artifacts, tools, implements, utensils, machines, instruments, furnishings, etc.—are not really new, since they exist as permanent possibilities of matter. What’s new is the will that puts them to use.
We know that wind instruments and strings and horns and drums have existed basically forever, since before recorded history even. Yet the particular will that worked up these ancient devices into the unique instruments of a baroque orchestral suite was something particular to Western man in a certain place and time. And again, the idea of mixing electrical engineering with the generation, amplification, and recording of sound was an innovation of Western industrial societies, but it remains—for all its technical sophistication—simply a peculiar type of handicraft.
We are speaking to each other over the internet, which is an immensely complicated medium for performing the simple task of communication. But that which I have to say, which is the real essence of the matter, could be just as well said in person.
The tragedy of Western man and the enormous effort he has devoted to the development of his technology, is the fact that in last analysis technology remains merely a means, and means can be dispensed with.
But .... the world was a different place after Gutenberg, and still more different after the improved printing technology of the 19th and 20th centuries and the later rise of newspapers. It could be argued that the Age of Revolution (1779-1848) was a byproduct of the former and 1905-1933 of the latter.In the last 20 years the internet has changed utterly how most young people meet each other. The girl who monetised her beauty by marrying well can now do so with Onlyfans, the exhibitionists of both sexes who were excited by self-exposure can now show themselves to hundreds of strangers (though those, usually male, for whom the pleasure comes from an unwilling audience may stick to the traditional methods).People with the most outre tastes, who before would have almost always kept their tastes to themselves, can now find their fellows and communicate in real time - no more waiting six weeks for that letter from Australia. The broadening and speeding of communication cannot but change who we are IMHO - or perhaps allow us to be more who we are. This won't always be a good thing, but either way it'll make for a different world.
"But that which I have to say, which is the real essence of the matter, could be just as well said in person."
This “Did so-and-so invent such-and-such?” stuff is all so tiresome.
Look, there is nothing new under the sun. Everything has been done before, absolutely everything. There are only a finite number of ways you can put tones together and still retain musicality, and this scope reduces even further when you operate from a suite containing the same instruments, the same scales, the same musical notation, and the same schools.
What really marks the difference between one composer and the next, or one era and the next, or once civilization and the next, is what ends they pursue with the means that are available to all, and this becomes their distinction and shows forth their personality. The details of technique as such are of very secondary importance. What you’re calling “African-American music” here is simply techniques taken from the classical repertoire and adapted to serve as dance music in speakeasies and whatnot. So, unless Beethoven actually had that end in mind, then no, he didn’t invent it, no matter how similar it sounds.
So, what exactly is the strategy? There doesn’t seem to be one. If you read the actual White House press release, all it says is that the administration wants to continue to work with community leaders to develop a strategy.
In other words, this is a nothingburger. The announcement is pure decoration with no substance. There is never going to be a strategy. At best it will be used simply as an excuse to cancel overzealous Deplorables who think it’s their Christian duty to support political Zionism.
But it will also very much anger AIPAC, who are the ones really steering US policy on this subject. It’s strange how this administration continues to find new and inventive ways to shoot itself in the foot.
On the other hand, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a faction within the Deep State that was genuinely interested in pivoting away from Israel. I wrote about the transformation of the Left yesterday at The Z-Blog.
Supply and DemandReplies: @Intelligent Dasein
The baseball salary numbers always seem a bit crazy to me.
$32 million a year–for one player? Contracts that close in on a half a billion?
Supply and Demand
That’s kind of the point, though. I understand that the “supply” of top tier baseball talent is restricted, but I don’t understand why there’s so much “demand” for it.
For me personally, you couldn’t pay me to bother wasting a weekend watching sportsball unless we were talking some serious coin. In my universe there is actually negative demand for this stuff.
And that’s just watching it on television; forget about actually going to games. Right now in this country, there are thousands upon thousands of people who will load themselves into cars, planes, and RVs tomorrow and travel across the country to go see a college freaking football game, and many millions more who would willingly do so if they had the chance. That is just absurd. Even if you gave me an all-expenses-paid trip to one of these monstrosities, I’d tell you to keep it and leave me alone. The fact that there are people who are actually paying handsomely to subject themselves to that kind of torture is something I’ll never understand.
There are also many subtle-but-pervasive effects of the Panic that are hard to graph and which do not lend themselves to easy one-liner narratives.
I’ll take a stab at a one-liner, Hail: The Covid Panic broke the social compact.
When the government tells people they cannot work or earn a living, or see their relatives, or leave their house, or receive care from their doctor, or send their children to school, then the government makes people feel as if they are in the condition of repressed slaves with no rights and no value. It’s only natural that they will try to take revenge and get back at the government in other ways.
Some will take revenge upon society as a whole (i.e. “work from home”).
Some will take revenge upon others (theft, violence, ignoring traffic rules).
Some will take revenge upon themselves (drugs and alcohol, suicide).
The true monstrousness of the Covid Panic has yet to be grasped even by those of us who saw it for what it was. The anger and the tears are overwhelming. The question now is one of calling those responsible to justice.
If there is anything that history teaches us, it is that there is no justice. There is only one law:The strong act as they will, the weak suffer what they must.Replies: @vinteuil
The question now is one of calling those responsible to justice.
You are entirely right, but you won’t get much credit for that around here.
We are now in the opening rounds of a long overdue wage/price spiral that is necessary to monetize the existing debts. We’ve had the “price” side over the last year or so, as the pandemic-era stimulus flooded into consumer spending. Now, as the recent UAW strikes bear witness, we are starting to see the “wage” side catch up, but wages are far behind and have a long way to go before they catch up with prices.
I enjoyed my poutine. But it, like a big bowl of chili, was just not the best thing to eat before 10 hours of driving the next day.
Only with that nasty muck with beans my wife's Northern people call chili. Southwestern-style chili with beef and vegetables, especially New Mexico green chili, is delectable and sits well in the stomach.
But it, like a big bowl of chili, was just not the best thing to eat before 10 hours of driving the next day.
You find Indian women attractive?Replies: @Brutusale, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Intelligent Dasein, @MEH 0910
All of Central/South America needs a radical upgrade, as does South Asia.
You find Indian women attractive?
Yes, I do, very much so.
Not all of them, of course. Every corner of the world has its hot women and its not-so-hot women. But when Indian women are hot, they are particularly striking. Not all South Asian women are beautiful, but the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen were South Asian.
I’m always surprised when I see that people have strong, negative opinions about poutine. I mean, doesn’t everybody have some version of this dish? Isn’t poutine basically just the “refrigerator casserole” you would make out of assorted leftovers when you’re hungry and don’t feel like cooking? I’ve eaten “poutine” a thousand times in my life without ever consciously setting out to make it.
Poutine is good, rib-sticking, working class food, and anybody who turns their nose up at it is not okay in my book.
All of Central/South America needs a radical upgrade, as does South Asia.
Mexican women fairly bad? Persian women only decent?
You find Indian women attractive?Replies: @Brutusale, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Intelligent Dasein, @MEH 0910
All of Central/South America needs a radical upgrade, as does South Asia.
I don’t understand why any of this was necessary. Print-on-Demand publishing is extremely easy these days. If Steve wanted to publish an anthology, it would have required little more effort than copying and pasting. The hassle of finding a publisher is so 20th century.
I'm not at all sold on the idea that it was really so much worse than the Asian or Hong Kong Flu.
A) at the basic scientific level, it obviously isn’t the flu–it’s not a flu virus. And it something different and new that attacks and kills people in a different way. And was obviously way more lethal than a typical seasonal flu–actually was significantly more lethal the prior “generational” flus–Asian and Hong Kong–of my lifetime. So the flippant smartass response is easy to discredit and just alienates people who are reasonable and rational–and there are lots of them–and drives them off.
Why it's almost as if TPTB wanted it all to happen just as it did. They clearly wanted to push it even farther too.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
And yeah. Republicans held the Senate during 2020 when investigation revealed that the Covid virus came from gain of function research funded by Fauci and the EcoHealth Alliance/Peter Daszak at the Wuhan Labe … nothing. Investigate the origins of the virus that is upending the nation, the world? And the links to it from our bureaucracy? And the responsibility of the slimy operator posing as the pandemics oracle? And his attempts using grants to suppress inquiry? No … can’t do that.
Now the Republican control the House … nothing.
Apparently, it is not important to investigate this rather important event–even to show your enemies are responsible and liars, and overthrow their narrative.
Then there is the suspicion, which I think will be borne out as fact eventually, that a lot of the deaths were iatrogenic or down to the hysteria itself: from shoving sick people into nursing homes (thank you Mario Cuomo, Richard Levine, and others), isolating old people to the point that they just died of despair, aggressive use of ventillators (even when they were not needed) and Remdesivir, mislabeling the cause of death (i.e. “COVID victims” who died in motorcycle accidents), etc.
Incidentally, there is speculation that a lot of the deaths during the Spanish Influenza were iatrogenic too: one treatment for it was massive doses of aspirin, which can cause bleeding in the lungs and fluid build-up.
Thanks for the endorsement.
I said all that above, but apparently nobody is reading my comments.
And, of course, Dumbo. How could I forget him?
That’s it, I’m never naming names again. So much for my Oscar speech.
I new I was going to forget someone, that’s why I hesitate to name names. I am sorry.
I also should mention Kratoklastes. He had Covid right from the beginning, although I disagree with him on his atheism.
BTW, I think the raw US deaths data makes 2020 look more like 1918 than the other flus.
An unknown (but certainly large) number of “Covid” deaths were actually ventilator deaths, loneliness deaths, lockdown deaths, general iatrogenic malfeasance deaths (including deaths from the vaccine), deaths of neglect, deaths of despair, and “deaths with” that had nothing to do with Covid.
This why Africa did not have a hard hitting Covid pandemic. Africa is too poor and remote for the kind of pseudo-medical theatrics that the Western nations engaged in. Consequently, Africa mounted very little Covid response. No response equals no pandemic.
Interestingly, there is a hypothesis out there that the 1918 flu pandemic was a similar such iatrogenic nightmare caused by the over-administration of a novel drug at the time—aspirin. The profiles of 1918 flu victims do not square with any other known influenza risk groups, i.e. young, healthy people dying of pulmonary edemas. Hitherto, this has been blamed on some unusual aspect of the virus itself, but it actually is much better explained by widespread aspirin overdose.
The Covid pandemic may have taught us much more about what really happened in 1918 than we knew before.
This is also a very strange way of describing the difference. After all, if Steve Sailer can run the hundred yard dash in two seconds less than I can, this isn't somehow iniquitous; it's just a physical fact.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
'The Inequity Between Male and Female Athletes Is...'
After all, if Steve Sailer can run the hundred yard dash in two seconds less than I can, this isn’t somehow iniquitous; it’s just a physical fact.
That isn’t the wrong word she’s using, though. That’s a different wrong word.
Iniquity: Means evil or grossely immoral.
Inequity: Means disproportionately divided, unfair.
Inequality: Means difference in kind or degree, not equal.
The word she should be using is “inequality.”
Lately, Leftists have taken to using the word “inequity” (or its cognates) when what they really mean is “inequality.” True to form, a whole slew of midwit commentators on the Right have read all kinds of farfetched meanings and strategies into the Leftist use of this word, as if it were the vanguard of some sinister agenda. Actually, it’s much simpler than that; it’s just Leftists being stupid. It’s using an uncommon word that sounds like it might be the synonym of a more common word, only snazzier and cooler, when really it has a different meaning altogether.
It’s like the people who say “penultimate” when they should say “ultimate” (penultimate means second to last).
It’s like the people who say “tankard” when they mean “tank” (a tankard is beer mug).
It’s like the people who say “begs the question” when they mean “raises the question” (begging the question is the logical fallacy of assuming the truth of the thing to be proven).
I really hate this kind of stuff. It’s bad enough when people do this in the first place, but it’s doubly bad when others who should know better just accept the implication that the Leftists have a method to their madness and spend all their time trying to unravel it, instead of just realizing that the Leftists are idiots.
Why did the Pro-Panic coalition triumph in 2020? We have had three years and more to think about this. I don’t know,
I was basically a class war. The Laptop Class was giving a big FU to the dirty fingernails class. I don’t mean to oversimplify things, but that’s what it was.
My grandmother hadn't even had her first period at 16.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
The heyday for early marriage in this country was the 1950s. Sixty years earlier, the median age at 1st marriage was about three years later.
My grandmother hadn’t even had her first period at 16.
What, did she tell you that over Sunday supper some time? Did your grandfather lead off the conversation?
“Hey Murgatroyd, how’s the beaver doing? Why don’t you tell us all about your age of menarche. I’ll get the cider ready.”
Heh.My mother mentioned it while discussing the modern diet and its effect on hormones.Though grandmother used to tell us about far more embarrassing things over Sunday supper, so it wouldn't have been too surprising to learn about it that way.
What, did she tell you that over Sunday supper some time? Did your grandfather lead off the conversation?“Hey Murgatroyd, how’s the beaver doing? Why don’t you tell us all about your age of menarche. I’ll get the cider ready.”
I appreciate your kind words, Hail.
You were one of the few—one of the very few—commenters who always wrote straight during the Covid nightmare. It was you, Almost Missouri, Mike Tre, and myself who never lost our heads in that horrible time. As a result, I always look forward to a “Hail” post with a high degree of anticipation. I was a bit disappointed by that one, is all.
‘climate change’
Steve Sailer has made clear that he is not a supporter of the Climate Change "agenda" and has mocked Climate-icon Greta Thunberg on multiple occasions since 2019 (after her ascent, between mid-2018 to about mid-2019; from quaint Swedish-schoolgirl scolding people in a Lisa Simpson-like way about greenhouse-gas emissions, to Climate Princess and Global Climate Icon).Here, in a post dated February 23, 2020 ("Greta Thunberg: A Princess of Our Disorder"), just before the Corona-Panic threw cold water over every other issue, we see Mr. Sailer attacking Greta Thunberg. Quote from Steve Sailer:
an example of the mechanisms behind a phenomena being too complex for any model to predict.
So he is suggesting extreme Climate Activism may in part be driven by "mental illness."Steve Sailer has also stated that he is more worried about nuclear war than climate change ("Let's Not Have a Nuclear War," iSteve blog, Feb. 22, 2022).But has he expressed any position in the Climate Change Modelling controversy?Last year, Steve Sailer criticized one particular Climate Modelling contribution to the race-and-crime question in the USA, a competing hypothesis to his own: "Guardian: Climate Change Is What Led to the Murder Surge During the Black Lives Matter Era."I find no case, readily available, in which Sailer directly attacks climate modelling per se. It doesn't seem to be one of his interests.Replies: @Santoculto, @Harry Baldwin, @That Would Be Telling, @Erik L, @Muggles, @Intelligent Dasein
[Greta Thunberg] takes up climate activism and her parents find that it is good therapy for her mental illnesses, so they are proud of her.One theory of mental illness is that it’s a zero sum game: the more you offload your mental illness onto other people, the better you feel personally...
What are you, Steve Sailer’s freaking PR rep? Is he paying you for this?
You used to write interesting things here back in the Covid days, when you were rightly taking Steve to task for his utterly worthless commentary on that subject. Now you’re just wall-to-wall Steve Sailer boosterism. This kind of sycophancy earns the admiration of nobody.
It’s the gay equivalent of men wanting to screw 16 year old girls.
The hell it is. A 16-year-old girl is a sexually mature female and if a sexually mature male has sex with her, they are fulfilling the intent of nature even if nothing else. Male-on-male sodomy is unnatural for men of any age, for any reason, and when practiced with a 16-year-old, also corrupts the youth.
There is no moral equivalence between these acts. No one on this side of politics ever should have given his endorsement to Milo.
I 100% agree and thank you. I was writing similar comments when the trial was going on (to what response you can well imagine).
My brief with the Right’s response to this whole unfortunate situation was that it doesn’t ultimately matter what killed George Floyd. Even if I’m dying of an overdose, that doesn’t give a police officer the right to pin me to the ground until I’m good and dead. Derek Chauvin, as a police officer, would have been trained in first aid and would have had a first aid kit in his car with naloxone in it. He could have attempted to render some type of aid. The way he handled the situation was inexcusable.
I also don’t want to hear about what a horrible human being George Floyd was, which I don’t dispute. Police officers have to be held to a higher standard. You know when you take that job that you will be dealing with a lot of human filth, and that resuscitating an overdosing junkie in your custody is one of the unsavory but necessary duties of a peace officer in a civilized society. The police are not remitted to perform public euthanasia, even if society would be better off without someone like Floyd.
What Derek Chauvin did was a crime. Even if it was a bit of a stretch for the murder statute, the optics were bad enough that a conviction was probably inevitable. It’s very unfortunate that this “played into the racial panic,” as you put it. In the interests of justice, it should be explained again and again that this was not a racially motivated murder. You are correct about that as well.
The larger high school would have more white students and would be able to offer more electives but the 2000 black students would act as a single clique whereas the white students would be divided up across several cliques.
Right. Neither in American ghettos nor back in Africa has it ever been known that black people divided into tribes or gangs that practiced violence against other blacks.
There’s a plethora of these neologisms flying around out there that I just don’t understand the meaning of, and “mansplaining” is one of them. I have no idea what that means.
Just like I do not know hardly any of the names that Men of Unz discuss and have such strong opinions about. Richard Hanania?
You have to belong to a certain class or mindset to have these things appear in your world as significant, and I don’t belong to it. I may have judgments about that class but I have no judgments within that class and I’m not really interested in learning the lingo. Sure, I could just look up what “mansplaining” means, but I still would never possess the term inwardly or be able to use it comfortably. It will remain forever foreign to me.
I will only add that, from an outsider’s perspective, it’s always a little amusing that the Men of Unz belong so fully to the very same culture they gripe about. When it comes to the Alt-Right or Dissident Right or whatever it’s called these days, every one of their complaints is actually a projection of a defect they are conscious of within themselves.
When they talk about other races being “tribal,” that is only their way of confessing that they themselves feel no strong ties to any community. Then they project their own personal sperginess onto the entire white race, deriding them for their “universalism” (often rather puzzlingly blamed on Christianity), while forgetting that this contrasts completely with that other supposed race-trait of European peoples, viz. a penchant for building high-trust, K-selected societies (also bizarrely blamed on Christianity). Since “high-trust societies” cannot practically exist without strong in-group preference (otherwise, why would you trust your neighbor if he was ready to extend the same loyalty to every jonnie-come-lately as to yourself?), there is no effective way to be both “high-trust” and “universal.” But no matter, contradictions aside, it’s all supposedly explained by HBD—although Christianity still suffices as a convenient whipping boy in certain moods, despite the fact that if you adhere strictly to the logic of HBD, it cannot be both.
That explains what HBD really is. When a spergy, disaffected white man, who has often played the fool in the past—either by failing with women or getting displaced by foreign workers or getting “mugged by reality” (they call this “taking the red pill”)—finds himself in need of a theory to resolve his cognitive dissonance, HBD appears to explain why the drummer he was following didn’t lead him to a better place. It also helps that HBD is rooted in a substratum of Darwinian evolutionary theory, since this serves as a convenient FU to the low-church evangelical Christianity he’s trying to distance himself from, which is the only form of Christianity he understands.
As a bonus, has anyone noticed that Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism is essentially just Sailer’s Law of Sailer Journalism projected onto females, i.e. “Come the revolution, I will be seen as better than I am seen now?” Just take a look at blurbs helpfully gathered by Hail.
I’m not interested in blaming others. We are all human after all, and weak. But this stuff needs to be seen for what it is.
Some better blurbs here:
Just take a look at blurbs helpfully gathered by Hail.
The revealed preferences of the vast majority of people, even in the One Billion Americans Club, is for single-family housing with a yard for lebensraum.
I have to disagree with that. The suburban house is simply the least bad realistic option for most people, but it isn’t what they really want. America doesn’t provide many options other than the suburbs or renting an apartment in the crap-hole cities. We don’t build small, affordable homes and we don’t encourage homesteading or small farms. The average guy has no chance but to strive for that mortgage that beats him down for 30 years.
That’s very nice, thank you. I was not familiar with it.
I was looking for one of the most famous reclining nudes, and I could barely find a good, full copy!
I often run into that problem. It’s surprisingly hard to find good scans of classic artwork online. Likewise for PDFs. It frequently happens that I want to refresh my memory on a passage from some scholarly work, long out of copyright, that I read years ago, and I assume that there would be a PDF somewhere online that I could find with 3 or 4 searches, but finding one that isn’t paywalled is getting more and more difficult.
This didn’t used to be the case. But as I’ve said before, the internet is a case study in Gresham’s Law. The bad money drives out the good. In the age of counterfeit information, real truths are dearly purchased.
“And Kansas City is at Chicago tonight, or is it Chicago at Kansas City? Well, no matter as Kansas City leads in the eighth 4 to 4.”
— Jerry Coleman
This is sad. Just when I’m getting kind of interested in Thomist metaphysics, I get E. Michael Jones II as its leading exponent.
That’s a bit too far, Charlotte. My sympathies are with the Palestinians here, but I’ve made it clear many times that I do not blame the Jews for the ills of Western society. In fact, I’ve caught a lot of flak for not blaming them.
I find the whole JQ to be a farfetched and somewhat tedious red herring, and I don’t devote much thought to it. Please don’t let anything I’ve said put you off from exploring Thomism. If I’ve said anything that offends you, I am sorry.
I’d guess they would be less obviously self-beclowning. A good propagandist would be able to generate some sympathy, whereas Jack D generates none.
Indeed, if anything, Jack D actually seems to arouse more anti-Jewish sentiments with his antics. One is almost tempted to think of him as a pretend-Jew who is trying to increase anti-Semitism.Replies: @HammerJack
A good propagandist would be able to generate some sympathy, whereas Jack D generates none.
Jack D, running cover for globalist murderers on auto-approval while truth suffers the whim. I guess they don’t make dissident websites like they used to. Welcome to the new world of noticing.
Bingo. Prosperity is achieved by raising the productivity of labor, either through applying new, better methods/technology or more capital. The ability to do that--mostly the "human capital" to do that--is what makes a "rich nation" rich.
Right, and another point is that the incentive for engineering (use of the word correctly for a CHANGE) new devices would be increased without the flood of cheap nation-wrecking labor.
And the incentive for future productivity boosting technologies–automated fast food joints, robo hotel room clearners, etc. etc.
Automation by itself does not increase productivity. It is energy inputs that increase productivity, and automation ought to be thought of rather as a way to capitalize those energy inputs than as a thing in itself. In a zero-sum game where more energy was not available, then automation would actually reduce productivity because it would replace a simple manual process by a complex Rube Goldberg contraption which itself would require more of the limited energy to produce.
This is the real answer to the question of why other peoples and civilizations did not have an Industrial Revolution, which is sometimes asked rhetorically to show forth the supposed superiority of the white race. It wasn’t because the white race was so darn superior, it was because other civilizations did not have vast energy surpluses that could be capitalized and therefore having an Industrial Revolution would have been highly inefficient. It would have been like devoting yourself to building a working automobile when you did not have a drivable road network to use it on.
Both the HBDers and the Washington Post are parsing the subject incorrectly when they equate race with biology and biology with DNA. There is another way to look at this which breaks free of that materialist paradigm and actually explains things correctly. You can see that the HBD argument and the nonbiological argument are simply two sides of the same coin when you analyze carefully what each side is saying.
Washington Post: “If race was real it would have to be biological, which means it would show up in the DNA. But all human beings are 99.99% genetically identical, which means that, biologically speaking at least, race is not a valid scientific term. Race may refer to a real quality according to certain definitions of race, but it isn’t biological.”
HBD: Race is real and biological, and real because it is biological. All biological differences reduce to differences in DNA, and that 0.01% difference is significant enough to determine the racial groupings of man, which are valid scientific terms.”
We need not accept the reductionism. There is a third way to approach the subject that neither side seems to have cognized, viz. “What if race is real and not biological?” To see why this is so, there are two reductions that need to be defeated: the reduction of race to biology and the reduction of biology to DNA. Let’s begin with the latter.
1. Biology cannot be reduced to DNA. There are more than enough examples from solid, laboratory biology to show that there is no one-to-one correspondence between genotype and phenotype. Genes can be altered without producing any phenotypic change (cf. the unusual karyotypes of many domesticated plants), and phenotypic change can occur in the absence of genetic changes (i.e. cloned animals are sometimes different in appearance and temperament from their genetically identical parents). Given the broad degree of genetic overlap amongst all life on Earth, many examples of which have already been cited in this thread (i.e. the 70% overlap between man and bananas), the prosaic explanation is that genetic differences are not very significant. It is not more explanatory to say that men and field mice share 95% of their DNA than it is to say that men and field mice are both animals made of flesh. We already know that; it doesn’t begin to encapsulate the essential differences between them.
2. Race cannot be reduced to biology.Once we demystify DNA and start to regard it as just another component of a body rather than the origin of that body, it becomes clear that nothing about the physical body (including its DNA) actually explains race. Rather, race is revealed in the body, including by the DNA. If being of the African race does not simply mean having black skin, then it does not simply mean having black DNA, either.
One thing I have learned from arguing with HBDers over the years is that they are much more fanatically committed to defending the proposition that “race is biological” than they are to defending the proposition that “race is real.” If you tell them race is real but not biological, they domn’t even want to hear about it even though it actually strengthens their own case.
Well, it's certainly past its stage of novelty and naivete. We are no longer in Faust, Part One where it looks like the deal with the devil may not be so bad after all. The masks are off and the ugly face of Woke is apparent for all to see.
Is Woke Really Past Its Peak?
And I forgot to add, the deliberate chaos at the border.
East Asians don’t seem to have much influence online at all.
The medium is the message, Steve. The Chinese repurposed their entire internet into a gigantic social credit system that the Western governments are meekly trying to imitate by having Joe Biden make personal phone calls to his political officers over in the Twitter salary group, telling them what not to publish. The East Asian influence over the medium far exceeds anything that most Westerners can even comprehend.
The other idea here, viz. the idea that Americans are becoming radicalized by reading Continental philosophy online, is something I just cannot see at all.
Protestantism, being unconstrained by traditional creedal or liturgical forms, is dependent on the power of individual personalities to shape the message. The great Protestant clergyman is above all a good speaker and/or a good writer and is able to captivate with his presence. The Protestant ministers of the past were the social media influencers of their day.
Now we have other influencers, but the spirit of old, mainline Protestantism has transferred itself to the new media without missing a beat. This explains both why contemporary Americans prefer to get their theology from TV hostesses, movie stars, and crooners, and why the clergymen of the past embraced the proto-Wokeness of abolitionism and suffrage.
It’s all the same thing, and it points to a Flaw in the American national character and the Enlightenment attitude that wants its religion personal, entertaining, and reformed.
Is Woke Really Past Its Peak?
Well, it’s certainly past its stage of novelty and naivete. We are no longer in Faust, Part One where it looks like the deal with the devil may not be so bad after all. The masks are off and the ugly face of Woke is apparent for all to see.
Between Covid, Ukraine, an incipient inflation and debt crisis, and now Gaza, the complete absurdity of American policy, both foreign and domestic, is no longer possible to ignore. The moments of clarity are coming with accelerating frequency. I believe most ordinary people are quite out of patience with this stuff and will make for the exits when they appear. “Woke” has no support on the ground and is entirely a function of official propaganda. That situation is not stable, and it will not last.
I completely agree. This sensible comment ought to be the final word to all the Jew-blamers strewn across the alt-internet, but unfortunately it won’t be.
They aren’t here looking for answers, they’re just here to complain.
Without a printing press everything has to be copied by hand, which is slow as heck.
The ancient world had printing presses, of a sort. Anything that needed to be mass-copied could be set in relief as a galley proof and pressed into tablets of wax or clay. This certainly wasn’t some unknown technology to them.
The bulk of the unimportant, everyday writing (i.e. the bills and stock quotes and ledgers that are needful at the moment but useless after the fact) was handled this way. It was only the important stuff that was written down and preserved on scrolls.
One of the problems with VDH is that he is a physically ugly man.
He has the physiognomy of a drunken old atheist—he looks like personified halitosis.
We also find that athletes from more socioeconomically diverse sports teams and from teams that have lower academic admissions thresholds have higher career outcomes than non-athletes.
There’s a clue hidden in that statement, but you have to infer it by contraposition.
A clearer picture would emerge if the study had controlled for parents’ alma mater and socioeconomic status. If it had, I think you would find it to be the case that, among all the students who make it to the Ivy League in the first place, the athletes are more likely to come from the families that are already well-networked, well-connected, and well off, rather than from the hardscrabble group that is still struggling to get into the upper class and is lucky just to be at the Ivies at all.
Ivy League athletes are your Thurston Howells, not your thirstin’ Howells.
Thus, you would expect them not only to land in a relatively sweet position, but also to have their eventual success far less negatively impacted by any prior lack of illustriousness, which comes forth in the study as “outperforming” their less-connected peers.
The kind of people spending massive bucks to travel to the Army-Navy game are pretty much affluent suburban dwelling academy grads,
This.
Anybody who is swipple enough to go to an out-of-town college football game is the kind of person who votes for this stuff in the first place, so screw them.
If you want to feel bad for someone, feel bad for the normal American citizens who are having their lives disrupted by endless immivasion.
Has there ever been a case of these race hustlers getting push back from “the community”?
In the current ideological regime, probably not. People respond predominantly to short-term incentives. If you want to know what most people will do most of the time, simply look to what is in their own immediate interest. The current sociological setup in America incentivizes victimology of every sort, and it certainly encourages blacks to continue playing the race card. This used to be (and ought to be) the primary criticism of Leftist social ideas.
It’s not as if people don’t see this. The blacks see it, too; don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. It’s just that human beings of all types—black, white, or whatever—have an immense ability to put up with misery and dysfunction around them when it is in their short-term interest to do so. It isn’t really that surprising. It’s much easier to complain and ask for handouts and to mythologize yourself as a victim than it is to do the gruelling work of rebuilding broken lives and broken neighborhoods, and punishing ne’re-do-wells.
The only way that human beings have ever been compelled to improve themselves is by closing off the escape hatch of victim mythology. No sympathy, no excuses; you will either behave or you will suffer the consequences. Once you turn off the free money and bring in the police, you’ll get the pushback you seek.
The only reason that White people achieved a relatively higher standard of civilized life is because they benefitted from century upon century of rigorous and manly Christianity that insisted that there were no excuses for sin. Forgiveness, yes, but not excuses, and forgiveness precisely because there were no excuses. Not because they are “ice people.” Not because they “have a low time preference.” Not because they are “K-selected rather than r-selected.” Not for any of these faggoty-ass, HBD cocksucking fantasy reasons. It’s because they were held to a higher standard. It’s because they were made to.
You will see improvement in blacks only when they are also held to a higher standard.
I’d guess most of the visitors here will like this article because they are already disposed to agree with it. However, if you were not so disposed, you would not find much of an argument here that will change your mind. It’s just a bunch of shallow sloganeering.
Jared Taylor is a clown, a showman, and a buffoon. The divergence between the quality of his actual written work and his reputation as a noble intellectual is about as broad as can be.
The more I read of HBDers, the less I want to make excuses for them. People like Jared Taylor and Steve Sailer make it extremely difficult to defend what is incidentally correct in their worldview (certainly not the fruit of their own intellectual efforts), such as the fact that racial politics in America is a farcical, illegal, unconstitutional grift. That much is true, but HBD does not add anything to that, and it detracts from the better arguments against it.
This is manifestly untrue.
Jared Taylor is a clown, a showman, and a buffoon.
When push comes to shove, Taylor is a Peter Keating to the Jews.
People like Jared Taylor and Steve Sailer make it extremely difficult to defend what is incidentally correct in their worldview (certainly not the fruit of their own intellectual efforts), such as the fact that racial politics in America is a farcical, illegal, unconstitutional grift. That much is true, but HBD does not add anything to that, and it detracts from the better arguments against it.
ABC’s 1995 Langoliers miniseries was a total crapfest, but fans of bad movies could savor the wretched CGI and marvel at the spectacle of Bronson Pinchot’s unhinged performance.
I marveled at the spectacle of Kimber Riddle’s glorious hooters, which was worth the price of admission for me.
Replies: @Hypnotoad666, @Intelligent Dasein
ABSTRACT
“Cognitive creationism” is a term for ideologically based rejection of concepts from differential psychology or behavioral genetics. Various authors have compared this practice to young-Earth creationism, but the parallels between the two have not previously been subjected to an in-depth comparison, which is conducted for the first time in this paper. Both views are based on a similar set of psychological needs, and both have developed epistemologically similar worldviews, which draw certain conclusions ahead of time and then interpret all evidence in light of these assumptions. This reversal of the scientific method leads both young-Earth creationists and cognitive creationists to reject large swaths of otherwise well-established research due to its potential to support conclusions they have chosen a priori to reject. Both views also tend to rely on nonparsimonious ad hoc explanations, which are usually not able to reliably predict any future results. The risks posed by cognitive creationism will be discussed, along with potential implications for science education.
The author referenced his (also pseudonymous) paper here. I like the analogy.
Cognitive Creationism Compared to Young-Earth Creationism
That analogy is one of the most idiotic things I’ve ever seen in my life, and its author is a smug moron.
The concept is actually much older than this paper. I’m quite certain that Michael Shermer did not coin the term unless he was using it back when I was in high school and first heard of it. But whatever its origins, it is revealing of the mental derangement and stupidity of those who continue to use it.
The problem with a term like “cognitive creationism” is that it implies that creationism has no substantive meaning whatsoever but only adjectival meaning. Whether you are a devotee of Young Earth Creationism or not—and I certainly am not—you should at least be able to agree that the term means something. It means that God created the heavens and the earth at a point roughly corresponding to the beginning of recorded history. The scoffers at “cognitive creationism” completely prescind from this clear and definite meaning and then proceed to define the word “creationism” purely functionally, as an adjective meaning the style of what they perceive to be the mental lapses of their opponents.
That isn’t what creationism means. It isn’t a style of thought, rigorous or otherwise. It is a theory about the origins of the universe. It cannot be used as an adjective that modifies a noun that refers to a psychological process. That is just verbal nonsense. It literally does not make any sense.
The people who speak gratingly like that reveal several things about themselves. First of all, they are so arrogant and dismissive of any claims not their own that they actually use the name of their opponents’ theory as a term of abuse. Secondly, they are such sloppy thinkers and show so little facility with language or logic that they can’t even perceive that they are making a glaring category mistake. Calling somebody a “cognitive creationist” because he believes in a tabula rasa theory of mind is like calling somebody who believes in innate ideas a “cognitive Pythagorean” because Descartes believed in innate ideas and Descartes was a mathematician like Pythagoras was.
You see how completely tortured and ridiculous this language is, like some sort of Aspergy version of cockney rhyme-slang. This is the sort of abysmally sloppy thinking that should never be tolerated in an academic setting, and the fact that these douchebags do not have the self-awareness to realize they are doing it shows you the true quality of their intellects.
This is pure, disgusting cope on Steve Sailer’s part. Yesterday was an historic day for America and anybody who hopes and strives for something better for their children ought to be just a little bit proud of themselves and proud of Matt Gaetz. The establishment in Washington has unleashed full-blown domestic terrorism against ordinary citizens for years, and Steve Sailer has gone along with it every step of the way. He supported the Covid Hygienic Tyranny. He promulgates the lies about Ukraine. He is silent on the political prosecution of Donald Trump. And now, when someone actually fights back and removes a lying Speaker for continuing to fund a disastrous and unjust war against Russia, all Steve Sailer can do is scoff at it.
I demand to know why anybody here is still supporting this charlatan.
What they do now is elect a new speaker, duh. And whoever it is will now understand that he can't be a lying cuck. One thing McCarthy promised to get the job (on the 15th ballot) was that he would release all the J6 video footage. He lied and didn't release it. On that basis alone he needed to go as a matter of principle.The next guy will have to promise to full disclosure on J6 and closing the border in return for what the uniparty wants most -- to fund the Ukraine war.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @J.Ross
Unfortunately, Byron York is sounding very republican. There’s plenty Matt Gaetz can do with that car, depending on whether he’s a patriot or a republican.
The next guy will have to promise to full disclosure on J6 and closing the border in return for what the uniparty wants most — to fund the Ukraine war.
I am not trading funding for Ukraine in exchange for the border or J6, sorry. The Ukraine aid needs to end, period.
Cutting edge establishmentarianism.
I’m not one to dish out compliments like breath mints, but that’s really, really good.
Prime Noticer:
Everything you wrote is absolutely true, but I’m not sure how well it will be received here because it throws a monkey wrench into the commonly accepted HBD tropes about superior black athleticism. The fact of the matter is, Affirmative Action applies just as much in the NFL as it does elsewhere in America. You can be sure that the blacks playing NFL football have been held to lower standards and are delivering every bit as much of an inferior product as are most black doctors and black congressmen. After all, why on Earth wouldn’t this be the case? But the point is lost on HBDers.
The inferiority of the game has already been noticed. Almost a year ago I left a comment here in which I linked to Washington Post article asking why is there so much bad football in the NFL.
Why is there so much bad football in the NFL? (paywall-free link in the comment).
Nobody paid much attention to this when I posted it here the first time, and it certainly never got noticed by Sailer. Maybe we’ll have better luck this time.
I think they were most likely referring to a smooth and creamy texture, not to a color.
After all, the unctuous feel of oil is what’s desired in skin creams, hair conditioners, and lotions. The only people commenting on the color of oils are mechanics.
Ruining Musk doesn’t mean his companies go away. If there’s a plan it’s to force him out and take over his companies. Short of that it’s to force him to knuckle under.
It’s disingenuous to characterize it as either Nothing to See Here or an overly complex conspiracy theory (insinuating the former is sensible, the latter crazy). For one thing, how complex does it have to be for someone in the White House to strongly encourage harassment of Musk? Too many moving parts man! I mean, you’d have to make a few phone calls and insinuate to a few bug men what a takedown of Musk would do for their careers. This sort of thing has never happened before, I’m sure!
Have we learned nothing from their reaction to Trump?
I generally agree with the “no master plan” view, but that’s because what we’re up against isn’t so much a conspiracy as a culture. People don’t have to be told.
That of course explains why Blue Origin, started a couple of years before SpaceX with a plentiful Bezos budget, is so wildly successful.
Ruining Musk doesn’t mean his companies go away.
Well, they sorta do. But that's easily done by the NYT publishing "Elon bad" articles which are then echoed by the rest of the Hive.
People don’t have to be told.
It’s interesting how dependent the Biden Administration is upon Elon Musk.
No one is dependent upon Elon Musk. They are dependent upon Musk’s companies and little Elon is in the way.
If you want to answer your own question, just understand that nationalization of Twitter/Tesla/SpaceX is the goal. If Elon wants to play ball that would be ideal, but if he doesn’t, then keep punishing him until he changes his mind or leaves.
Bill Gates took Option A and Jeff Bezos (probably) took Option B, so it’s worked before.
That was also Gore Vidal, not Noam Chomsky.
I think you are basically correct here.
It’s very difficult to make a conservative movie because the medium just doesn’t lend itself well to that sort of thing. Just like how in modern parliamentary democracies there is no truly conservative “party” because the whole parliamentary system and the party structure is a Leftist creation designed to serve Leftist aims.
If there was an explicitly conservative party that actually advocated pre-revolutionary throne and altar politics, it would not be taken seriously. It would be seen as a small cadre of anachronistic weirdos operating from the fringe. That’s why all the conservative parties of today are simply watered down versions of the liberal parties.
Similarly, explicitly conservative movies always seem a bit off. The story that the movie tells is always a liberal morality play. Whether the hero is “Alexander the Great” or “Navajo Code Talkers” or “Forrest Gump,” the underlying structure is always the same: The plucky young lad(s), beloved of the gods, believe in themselves, overcome the conservative fuddy-duddies, and save the day. The End.
The audiences expect this sort of thing and they won’t receive or understand anything else. They expect to see a morality play about an underdog making good. And this is also precisely the trope by which the Left controls the culture. All its propaganda is gear toward making cinematic underdogs out of minority groups. Now blacks are cinematic underdogs, gays are cinematic underdogs, trannies are cinematic underdogs, etc. And how are you supposed to feel about a cinematic underdog? You want him to win, of course!
I really don’t see any way of breaking free of this except to abandon this whole mode of storytelling. The Left has successfully hacked the tropes that motivate Western hearts and minds and there is no dislodging them from that anymore. The thing to remember is that it is better to be a victorious underdog than to watch one, and being one doesn’t feel anything like watching one. We need to suffer the fate of real heroes rather than watch operatic ones that entertain us.
I watched the trailer. Unfortunately, it’s even worse than what I was worrying about in my earlier (still unpublished) comment. This is no mere “paean to generic do-gooderism,” it’s a feminist screed.
This is not a conservative cultural production. It is the Left taking over and skin-suiting someone who should be a conservative icon and falsifying everything about here. Same as always.
Their next feature is a biopic of Mother Cabrini
St. Frances Xavier Cabrini would be a very intriguing and subversive subject, if the film is done faithfully. She was very much against the heresy of Americanism, i.e. the idea that freedom of religion and conscience are numbered among the natural rights of man. Her work, although expressed through caregiving and charitable missions, was fundamentally about keeping American Catholics within the fold and untainted by the Enlightenment ideals embodied in the nation’s founding.
This is very much what’s needed today, so it would be disappointing if the film ended up eliding all that and being just a paean to generic do-gooderism.
SPOILER ALERT: It's going to be a paean to generic do-gooderism.
This is very much what’s needed today, so it would be disappointing if the film ended up eliding all that and being just a paean to generic do-gooderism.
That's precisely the point that Anon was making - although by using concrete (and very American) examples he opened the door to classic apologist misdirection.OK, and when you’re done, ask a Christian about atheism — I’m guessing he or she won’t think much of that, either. So I don’t think the mutual disagreement between all those Christians and Mormons, etc., is as as convincing an argument for your position as you make it out to be. In the end, you’re just another guy who disagrees with all ideologies except the one you yourself favor. You’re not that special.
“But ask a Christian about Mormonism or Scientology and he sounds just like an atheist.”
The best way to frame it is to point out that almost every religion – including the Jesus cult – explicitly and fervently disbelieves in all gods except their own, except for some very specific corner cases (usually hand-waving stuff where they ‘tolerate’, if the system of the time considers ‘tolerance’ to be a virtue)…
Atheists just extend that same principle.
This is absolute horseshit.
And considering that this is the biggest arrow the atheists have in their quiver—one they pull out and launch at every possible occasion—it really goes to show the intellectual bankruptcy of that strain of hubris.
Anybody who has actually thought about the subject for more than an hour would realize that there is another possibility, namely that perhaps all the various cults and churches throughout the world have the same dim recognition that there is something that transcends our temporal existence, but that this recognition greatly varies from place to place in its power and clarity, and that it is diffracted through the prism of human cultural differences and, of course, often darkened by human ignorance and human evil.
Furthermore, anybody who has bothered to learn the doctrines that Traditional Christianity actually teaches—considered apart from the nebulous fluff that they think it teaches—would know that this, in fact, is the official teaching of the Church, and not “explicit disbelief.” And this holds also for the other great religions that are mature enough to have a philosophical tradition associated with them. There is not one that teaches “explicit disbelief.”
Given this situation, the possibilities for “extending the principle” are two: syncretism through abstraction and synthesis, or selection by appeal to reason and special revelation. This does indeed open up another whole can of worms, where people must take a stand and disbelieve in certain explicit claims and explanations offered by others; however, this no more conduces to the idea that God does not exist than a debate between monarchists and republicans conduces to the idea that politics does not exist. On the contrary, the only reason they are debating is because politics exists.
Atheists simply have an inadequate grasp of the subject matter and their arguments amount to category mistakes.
As a Canadian I see this fuck-up as a blessing in disguise. It’s a “teachable moment”, as Obama would say.
I’m very curious to know how this ridiculous thing happened without any kind of vetting. Did no member of the parliament, or any of their numerous staff, do any research or raise any objection?
If not, it means that the Canadian government is at best the Keystone Kops, and the explanations just keep getting worse from there, for it means that they’ve been lying and dissimulating all along.
Thank you for taking the time to supply this interesting commentary. I really appreciate that and I’m sure there is something to this.
The internet is largely a case study in Gresham’s Law: the bad money drives out the good.
Since there seems to be no penalty for talking out your ass, people exaggerate as much as they can get away with. Everything is cheap and artificial, quality goods are hard to find and hard to verify, trust is punished and selfishness incentivized.
It’s not a healthy environment at all and it will amplify any character flaws people already have.
I’m not kidding when I say that if we want to save society, we need to find a way to turn the damn thing off.
LOL please. Reason obviously can't prove God's existence. At best it can make it highly plausible, and thus bring one closer to belief in God. But the ultimate step will always be a leap of faith. No way around that. (Which is fine by me. I am a man of faith myself - just more honest than usual about what this entails.)
It is easy to see that this claim remains unprovable, for while reason can prove the existence of God,
Exactly. It has nothing to do with examining their doctrines and finding them rationally untenable or morally unpalatable. (GRIN)
It is born of concupiscence and socio-political conflicts, the desire to live a libertine life or to separate from established churches, or simply the vanity of thinking oneself a 3-sigma kind of guy.
LOL please. Reason obviously can’t prove God’s existence.
Of course it can. This is what The 5 Ways of St. Thomas Aquinas are about. The 5 Ways are well-enough known that anyone who has ever engaged seriously with theology or philosophy should be aware of them. But for some reason, many people just dismiss them as if they aren’t even there, including people of faith, which is quite bizarre.
(Which is fine by me. I am a man of faith myself – just more honest than usual about what this entails.)
If you want to be truly honest about what the faith entails, you would have to accept that God is knowable by reason, for the existence of God as verifiable by the natural reason alone is itself an article of the faith.
If anyone says that the one, true God, our creator and lord, cannot be known with certainty from the things that have been made, by the natural light of human reason: let him be anathema.
First Vatican Council, 2.1
I'm aware of them, I just don't find them particularly rationally compelling. Legions of atheists over the centuries have heard of them too, and have reached the same conclusion. If they actually constituted proofs, the vast majority of educated people would believe in God. Eg that the square root of 2 is irrational can be proven and everyone accepts that proof. Aquinas' 5 Ways don't come anywhere near that standard and it's preposterous to pretend they do. They merely succeed in making faith seem more plausible than it otherwise might, nothing more.
The 5 Ways are well-enough known that anyone who has ever engaged seriously with theology or philosophy should be aware of them.
Since God quite clearly isn't provable by reason alone, I have to question the wisdom of that dogma. I suppose it works to shore up the faith of existing believers, but anyone else reading it would be more likely to think catholics are a pack of fools than to take catholics seriously.
for the existence of God as verifiable by the natural reason alone is itself an article of the faith.
True, but unfortunately, that's also exactly what Deism is. Although the midwittedness of Deism is rendered even more incorrigible by its adherents' smug conviction that they're so much smarter than common religious people, which makes Deism a source of spiritual pride and one of the strongest redoubts of theological Dunning-Kruger syndrome.Enlightenment Deism properly so called, notwithstanding the broad and meandering definitions the term has taken over the centuries, reduces to two central axioms: one, that God is real and knowable through the use of the natural reason; and two, that all claims of special revelation and supernatural occurrence are to be rejected.The first claim is partly true and this accounts for the seductive aspects of Deism as a philosophy. It is true that God's existence can be known through the natural reason alone, without recourse to revelation. There are several well-known proofs of this which are valid and have been understood since antiquity, such that the reality of God was never seriously in doubt. Deism errs, however, in assuming that such knowledge is exhaustive of the subject or sufficient for salvation. By definition, a knowledge that man can get through the exercise of his own faculties leaves him no better off than where he started, and this does not fulfil the demands placed upon religion to satisfy man's desire for a transcendent good.The second claim is an unsupported assertion whereby the sovereign reason simply declares, as it were by fiat, that nothing exists outside of its scope. It is easy to see that this claim remains unprovable, for while reason can prove the existence of God, it cannot prove the nonexistence of revelation, the possibility of which the existence of God entails. The substantive rejection of revelation is thus a dogmatical stance that cannot be established by an appeal to natural reason itself, as the argument exhibits metalogical incompleteness.There is no great shame in being temporarily in a state of believing in God but not professing any particular faith. A man who has reasoned his way to the existence of God but remains skeptical of all creeds is, in a sense, only natural, for "only the Holy Ghost can declare that Jesus is the Christ." However, as a practical matter, persistence in this state is almost never the result of honest philosophical inquiry. It is born of concupiscence and socio-political conflicts, the desire to live a libertine life or to separate from established churches, or simply the vanity of thinking oneself a 3-sigma kind of guy. The former condition is a necessary waystation on a spiritual journey; the latter is simply a pedant's way of saying "I'm spiritual but not religious," a sentiment which is rightly ridiculed in others.Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @silviosilver, @Twinkie, @nebulafox
Atheism as a firm, certain belief is actually quite midwitted, a simple, easy reaction to religious dogma.
I often make fun of you, but this was very well-written.
But this was not well-written. You are conflating the (often mistaken) motives* of the supporters for the underlying scientific paradigm, which in and itself is very sound.
As I’ve said before, I think it would be better if everyone admitted that HBD is not rigorously or really scientific. It is a sciency-sounding modern mythology that provides people with the moral license to vent their frustrations with contemporary racial politics.
I only have time for a brief reply at the moment, but just for the record, I do not deny heredity and I do not deny “race-realism.” I deny Darwinism and its associated theories such as allopatric speciation. Consequently, I also deny explanations that incorporate Darwinism into their operating system, such as HBD and evolutionary psychology.
I don’t think people are catching this nuance, so perhaps I need to explain it better.
You don't have to subscribe to speciation. But even if you reject speciation, Darwin got many things right such as the powerful role of natural selection in shaping the following generations of a given population.
I do not deny heredity and I do not deny “race-realism.” I deny Darwinism and its associated theories such as allopatric speciation. Consequently, I also deny explanations that incorporate Darwinism into their operating system, such as HBD and evolutionary psychology.
Only a small handful of the smarter commenters here—I’m talking about people like res, for instance—actually have the chops to understand the claims of modern genetic science in their intended acceptations. To most everyone else, HBD is simply a cargo cult and Steve is their shaman.
Steve, by the way, is not one of the ones who understands the science, but he understands very well how to rock that headdress with great aplomb. Furthermore, just because the science can be understood correctly or incorrectly according to its author’s intentions, that does not mean that the science itself is correct absolutely, even when it is “understood” aright. My arguments against HBD have always been directed at this latter consideration; but, true to form, what I say is received by most people here as if I were simply attacking the drum circle.
As I’ve said before, I think it would be better if everyone admitted that HBD is not rigorously or really scientific. It is a sciency-sounding modern mythology that provides people with the moral license to vent their frustrations with contemporary racial politics. I share the frustrations, but I don’t like the mythology, which is dangerous for other, more important reasons—namely, in adhering to an explanatory paradigm based in Darwinism and materialism, HBD cuts its believers off from all real metaphysics and the life of the soul.
Pointing any of this out will earn you a lifetime of opprobrium here, which I’m sure you know.
But this was not well-written. You are conflating the (often mistaken) motives* of the supporters for the underlying scientific paradigm, which in and itself is very sound.
As I’ve said before, I think it would be better if everyone admitted that HBD is not rigorously or really scientific. It is a sciency-sounding modern mythology that provides people with the moral license to vent their frustrations with contemporary racial politics.
It seems to me that HBD is merely a subject of study not an ideology. As to the opinions about politics or society that one forms from learning HBD facts, individual mileage may vary.
As I’ve said before, I think it would be better if everyone admitted that HBD is not rigorously or really scientific.
Perhaps when you look above 2 SD you find a lot of atheists, but if you look above 3 you find a lot of Deists.Atheism as a firm, certain belief is actually quite midwitted, a simple, easy reaction to religious dogma. As such, it is a kind of dogma of its own. Look deep into your own mind... You can't have atheism without theism. There is a third way to face the fact that you can't explain your own consciousness.Replies: @Mike Tre, @Intelligent Dasein
Most people who are >2 SD above the average IQ since 1880 have been atheists, it’s simply the logical interpretation of the facts.
Atheism as a firm, certain belief is actually quite midwitted, a simple, easy reaction to religious dogma.
True, but unfortunately, that’s also exactly what Deism is. Although the midwittedness of Deism is rendered even more incorrigible by its adherents’ smug conviction that they’re so much smarter than common religious people, which makes Deism a source of spiritual pride and one of the strongest redoubts of theological Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
Enlightenment Deism properly so called, notwithstanding the broad and meandering definitions the term has taken over the centuries, reduces to two central axioms: one, that God is real and knowable through the use of the natural reason; and two, that all claims of special revelation and supernatural occurrence are to be rejected.
The first claim is partly true and this accounts for the seductive aspects of Deism as a philosophy. It is true that God’s existence can be known through the natural reason alone, without recourse to revelation. There are several well-known proofs of this which are valid and have been understood since antiquity, such that the reality of God was never seriously in doubt. Deism errs, however, in assuming that such knowledge is exhaustive of the subject or sufficient for salvation. By definition, a knowledge that man can get through the exercise of his own faculties leaves him no better off than where he started, and this does not fulfil the demands placed upon religion to satisfy man’s desire for a transcendent good.
The second claim is an unsupported assertion whereby the sovereign reason simply declares, as it were by fiat, that nothing exists outside of its scope. It is easy to see that this claim remains unprovable, for while reason can prove the existence of God, it cannot prove the nonexistence of revelation, the possibility of which the existence of God entails. The substantive rejection of revelation is thus a dogmatical stance that cannot be established by an appeal to natural reason itself, as the argument exhibits metalogical incompleteness.
There is no great shame in being temporarily in a state of believing in God but not professing any particular faith. A man who has reasoned his way to the existence of God but remains skeptical of all creeds is, in a sense, only natural, for “only the Holy Ghost can declare that Jesus is the Christ.” However, as a practical matter, persistence in this state is almost never the result of honest philosophical inquiry. It is born of concupiscence and socio-political conflicts, the desire to live a libertine life or to separate from established churches, or simply the vanity of thinking oneself a 3-sigma kind of guy. The former condition is a necessary waystation on a spiritual journey; the latter is simply a pedant’s way of saying “I’m spiritual but not religious,” a sentiment which is rightly ridiculed in others.
LOL please. Reason obviously can't prove God's existence. At best it can make it highly plausible, and thus bring one closer to belief in God. But the ultimate step will always be a leap of faith. No way around that. (Which is fine by me. I am a man of faith myself - just more honest than usual about what this entails.)
It is easy to see that this claim remains unprovable, for while reason can prove the existence of God,
Exactly. It has nothing to do with examining their doctrines and finding them rationally untenable or morally unpalatable. (GRIN)
It is born of concupiscence and socio-political conflicts, the desire to live a libertine life or to separate from established churches, or simply the vanity of thinking oneself a 3-sigma kind of guy.
No one today knows for sure how the steppe invaders fought (assuming they always fought the same way) other than that their horse (or donkey) chariots made them more mobile. But that alone is enough ensure victory in the long run. If you are more mobile, then you always get to choose when and where the battle starts and, crucially, when it ends. So you never lose because if the fight is not going your way, you simply skedaddle and the fight is over before you suffer a serious defeat. You can fail to win the first ten, or twenty, or a hundred battles, but it doesn't matter because your opponent can't catch you and make the failure count. "Meh, it was just a raid." But on the one hundredth "raid", the opponents' morale cracks, their ranks break, they flee in terror and are crushed beneath the wheels of your chariots. Total Aryan Victory! "Oh, that was a real battle this time."Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @Twinkie, @AnotherDad, @Muggles
The IE steppe invaders used horses to pull their nomadic wagons, and rode horses and chariots TO the battle area, but did not do close quarters combat with the horses. It wasn’t until later that horses were bred to remove their natural skittishness.
But on the one hundredth “raid”, the opponents’ morale cracks, their ranks break, they flee in terror and are crushed beneath the wheels of your chariots. Total Aryan Victory!
After the first raid, you would have fortified your settlement if it wasn’t fortified already. You would have put archers and slingers in place to pick off the charioteers. Eventually you would have hit and killed some of them, leading to the capture of intact chariots and trained horses. The attackers’ advantage in means and mobility would be brought down and finally reduced to parity as you reverse-engineered some chariots and bred some more horses.
Nobody just allows themselves to be raided 100 times without changing tactics, so I am not buying this.
Well, yes. Presumably that's why hill forts began to appear in western Europe. Some villages banded together and built defensive structures, however cramped. The rest became concubines or fertilizer.
Nobody just allows themselves to be raided 100 times without changing tactics
One subtle reason for the rise in popularity of neo-Nietzscheans like Bronze Age Pervert
What popularity? The only place I’ve heard about this (literal) faggot was here at iSteve. The same applies to Razib Khan, Ibrahim X. Kandi and Greg Crochan and other losers. The only place I hear about those idiots and/or planted tools is here at iSteve’s blog. Then again, I don’t use Twitter.
(Think of the world views of NFL team owners.)
Nietzsche and NFL owners, well, that’s a type of weird comparison that you’ll only find at iSteve, alright…
Note that 3000 BC to 1800 BC is twelve hundred years.
There is something about this idea of Indo-European conquest that doesn’t sound right to me. I find it very hard to believe that one group of people could spread throughout the entire Eurasian landmass and, with nothing but prehistorical technology, literally eliminate everyone else.
How would you even find them all? Eurasia is a huge place. Tracking down every last male just so you could kill him would be insanely expensive, difficult, time-consuming work, with no practical purpose.
Do you mean to tell me that nobody ever escaped? Nobody ever ran and hid? Nobody ever fought back effectively? Nobody ever adopted the technologies that supposedly made the Indo-Europeans so formidable? Surely it’s not that difficult to learn to ride a horse or build a chariot. You would think somebody else could have figured it out in 1200 years, especially if his life depended on it. Did the Aryans never get tired and say, “Well, that’s enough of that. Let’s just call it pax, shall we?”
The distant past is a blank screen onto which everyone can project their fantasies, which is why we have this conquest theory. But in all the wars of which we have real, historical experience, it virtually never happens that one side entirely eliminates the other. There are always survivors. For the Aryans to achieve this not only once, but thousands of times over thousands of years, in an unbroken record of success that has no earthly parallel or analogue anywhere, simple beggars belief.
Obviously there is more to this story. Something else is going on here.
For one thing, it's not the actual physical male humans the invaders had to eliminate, but just their ability to reproduce. If some invading group monopolizes, say, 75% of the local females for enough generations I think the math accomplishes a more or less "clean sweep" of the Y chromosomes. Technically, invaders wouldn't have to kill anyone to take over genetically (except that the invaded probably won't let you take their women without killing them first.)Also, I think some of these ancient populations may have been pretty sparse on the ground at the time.Replies: @Colin Wright, @YetAnotherAnon
There is something about this idea of Indo-European conquest that doesn’t sound right to me.
There's disease -- but over such a span, the victims would gain immunity as well. You can knock their socks off with your antediluvian equivalent of Small Pox -- but only for a while. Eventually it becomes endemic among your victims as well.
'Obviously there is more to this story. Something else is going on here.'
Right. Similarly, the Vikings could never have existed. Who decides to go across various seas on open ‘longships’? Nobody. What’s the endgame? Cui bono?
How would you even find them all? Eurasia is a huge place. Tracking down every last male just so you could kill him would be insanely expensive, difficult, time-consuming work, with no practical purpose.
Okay, you’re losing me here.Did you not watch the video above, with the great music?
Did the Aryans never get tired and say, “Well, that’s enough of that. Let’s just call it pax, shall we?”
Uh-oh. ID, you’re making a form of “survivorship bias” error:
But in all the wars of which we have real, historical experience, it virtually never happens that one side entirely eliminates the other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_biasSurvivorship bias or survival bias is the logical error of concentrating on entities that passed a selection process while overlooking those that did not. This can lead to incorrect conclusions because of incomplete data.
First of all, you should stop using the term "Aryan" to refer to the population groups that settled much of Europe - not because of some Nazi or anti-Nazi nonsense - but because scientifically the term "Indo-Aryan" actually refers to the Indo-Iranian speakers who migrated from Central Asia to Northern India. They were a part of the broad Indo-European-speaking "horizon," but were not the same people who migrated to Europe and eventually became Europeans.
How would you even find them all? Eurasia is a huge place. Tracking down every last male just so you could kill him would be insanely expensive, difficult, time-consuming work, with no practical purpose.
Do you mean to tell me that nobody ever escaped? Nobody ever ran and hid? Nobody ever fought back effectively? Nobody ever adopted the technologies that supposedly made the Indo-Europeans so formidable? Surely it’s not that difficult to learn to ride a horse or build a chariot. You would think somebody else could have figured it out in 1200 years, especially if his life depended on it. Did the Aryans never get tired and say, “Well, that’s enough of that. Let’s just call it pax, shall we?”
People who imply a contradiction between his values and his biography are usually not as smart as they think they are.
I would add that people who speak about “Nietzschean values” at all are not as smart as they think they are. They are, at any rate, not well acquainted with their subject matter.
You can read the entire corpus of Nietzsche’s published works looking around in vain for any suggestion that generic Superman behavior was something he exhorted and promoted. That was just an idea of which he tried to fathom the whither and whence, but not something he made a prescription out of. Of one thing you can be sure, anyone who speaks about Nietzschean values is at rather far remove from understanding what Nietzsche was actually writing about, and why.
Indeed. "One reads Nietzsche not to agree with his ideas, but to learn to articulate why one doesn't agree" -- Walter Kaufmann (from memory)
Of one thing you can be sure, anyone who speaks about Nietzschean values is at rather far remove from understanding what Nietzsche was actually writing about, and why.
Rigger, please. That’s some prime cope-a-dope faux bless oblige. Blacks know they’re being coddled, they like the results when it’s in their favor, and they are daring you to say it their face. Here is some perhaps unrealistic simulation role play:
They just can’t imagine the truth: that we’re rigging it for them.
Rigger, please. That’s some prime cope-a-dope faux bless oblige.
I have to take my hat off. That’s some top notch punning there.
but has anyone on the left actually defended globalism, or are we just told that globalization might be bad for us, but we deserve it, so it’s racist to oppose? Or even racist to point it out?
One of the biggest plumpers and popularizers of early globalism was that prominently mustachioed nitwit, Thomas L. Friedman, whom I suppose could be considered a man of the left, although not the hard left. I would say his views are rooted in a zeal for spreading liberal democratic institutions around the world, along with a tincture of mild techno-utopian futurism, (i.e. the idea that leveling information barriers will lead to mass education and automation, making everyone’s life better in some vague, unspecified way).
Friedman is an avatar of the neoliberal vision and truly a man of his times. It explains how he could be, for example, a supporter of both the Iraq War and Hillary Clinton for president.
Your request—granted! I wrote:
countless millions wasted on “closing the gap” between blacks and everybody else in this country
Your “passive social Darwinism” is essentially Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s recommended policy of benign neglect, and it is something I have long advocated, including here in these pages.
There is no reason to close the gap. There is no reason to explain the gap (and that means not explaining it with HBD, either, which is a mythology for mid-wit Darwinist hammers looking for nails). And there is no reason to even acknowledge that there is a gap. It’s a non-phenomenon; it’s not a thing that needs naming or attention.
The real problem is with the kind of people who assume that the relevant facts of life can be captured by the comparative statistics of social groupings, and by seeking for the causes thereof. This kind of hubris was never going to be fruitful, because these kinds of thoughts are not properly formulated interrogations of nature. All this is simply measuring the shadows in Plato’s cave. It is important to understand this so that you can further understand that there isn’t any explanation to be got along these lines, and therefore every proffered explanation is going to involve some kind of ghost story.
The people who believe these ghost stories are absolutely disastrous when they come to power, and they do every kind of evil under the sun. We are talking here about economists, educators, physicians, scientists of all kinds (not just social scientists), and all world-improvers and busybodies. They lack the skills of the real politician because they know not men but only abstractions. The gap is not something that they should worry about let alone interfere with, and they need to just leave it alone.
The enemy is implacably hostile to passive Social Darwinism. That's the whole point of Soros's plunge into funding DA races, to shield the criminal classes from social consequences for crime.
Your “passive social Darwinism” is essentially Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s recommended policy of benign neglect, and it is something I have long advocated, including here in these pages.
Real men think about the Holy Roman Empire, a.k.a. Roman Catholicism as it was before the Vatican II atrocity.
The Stevite in full.
Close the comments; this one’s done.
ID, the argument the cultists give is that, as the upper stories hit the lower stories, the lower stories slow down the upper stories and so it cannot fall at a free-fall speed.That is actually true, as far as it goes, which is not very far. If the collapse had started at the very top story, then the acceleration would have simply been one-third the acceleration of gravity, pretty much all the way down. Indeed, if the Twin Towers had been, say, a thousand stories high, that would have been the asymptotic acceleration towards the end of the collapse to leading order. That would mean that the total collapse time would be SQRT(3) = 1.732 times the free-fall time, which of course is longer than actually observed... if the collapse had started at the top story. I worked this out some years ago on my own -- took me about an hour. This is easy for any competent physicist or high-level structural engineer, similar to a frosh homework assignment for us back at Caltech.But of course the collapse did not start at the top story, but rather about fifteen stories down for the North Tower, and lower for the South Tower.And more than a third of the collapse time that I just estimated would have been required just for the top fifteen stories to collapse -- it would start slowly if it started from the very top story. Take that into account, and you guess a fall time of about 1.09 times free-fall time, which is of course consistent with observations.But even that is not quite right: you have to take into account that the velocity of the top fifteen stories came in one fell swoop, not in a cascading collapse. Solving for this initial condition can only be done by numerically integrating the differential equation (at least, I do not know how to solve this analytically, right now).In fact, Zdeněk Bažant, a Professor at Northwestern who is one of the world's experts on structural collapse, has in fact done this calculation, also taking into account other issues such as the energy required to cause the lover beams to buckle, to break up the concrete, etc. You can find his relevant papers and discussion, including discussions of criticisms from "9/11 Truther" critics here.Our cultists here know about Zdeněk Bažant's work: they just don't care.They disparage the fact that he is one of the top experts in the world in this discipline, because they are obsessed with the Internet meme that the opinions of some high-school dropout sitting in his pajamas in his mom's basement have just as much validity as the opinions of one of the world's top technical experts.They confuse the "argument from authority fallacy," where someone appeals to an "authority" who is not really an authority, with the fact that there are really are legitimate authorities who really do know more than ordinary people do.And, most of all, they lack the interest or the intellectual ability to actually read Bažant's papers, because their faith in their "Truther" nonsense has become central to their sense of personal identity.And if they read and understood Bažant's work, they would lose their faith.Anyway, I hope I have given you some sense of what happened with the Twin Towers' collapse from a technical viewpoint and, more importantly, what is going on with the "9/11 Truthers" here.It is a bizarre, pseudo-religious cult of people who are most assuredly psychotic paranoid schizophrenics. To a man. I have been interacting with them for weeks -- all mad as a hatter.I plan on posting some details on the actual differential equation that explains the Twin Towers' collapse some time in the future, though to get all the details you really have to go to Zdeněk Bažant's work cited above.By the way, the con artist Mark Gaffney keeps citing work by a guy named Greg Urich, claiming it shows that Bažant is wrong. Urich thinks that Bažant somewhat over-estimated the weight of the Twin Towers, but as Urich himself reportedly recognized, that actually does not matter. To leading order the mass drops out of the differential equation. As Bažant emphasizes, his analysis is very, very robust: very substantial errors in the estimated parameters do not significantly impact the results.I have pointed this out to Gaffney, but it makes no difference: he is a con artist who makes money selling books pushing lies about 9/11.He just doesn't care.Anyway, hope this helps you see what is going on.Take care.Dave Miller in Sacramento (B.S. Caltech; Ph.D., physics, Stanford, 1983)Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Intelligent Dasein, @AB_Anonymous
The debris falls “at freefall speed,” controlled demolition or not, because it is falling. The acceleration due to gravity is the same for both controlled and uncontrolled collapses. What other speed did you expect debris to fall at?
Hello Dave,
Thank you for the response and for the link to the technical papers. I’m looking at 405 now and I will read them more in depth later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fms8r2dRu_8
Once enough support is removed, the building falls down under its own weight.
Most of the debris falls straight down, i.e. “into its own footprint,” controlled demolition or not, because that’s the direction the gravitational force vector points. What other direction did you expect it to fall in?
he was from Denmark, and how many videos or news reports were there of Building 7's collapse on US television, let alone European television?
I have a hard time believing that a “controlled demolitions expert” had no prior knowledge of Building 7’s collapse
like I said, pre-reporting on Building 7, (even explaining it, as Fox news did, 'incredible structural damage'), before it fell, was the equivalent of reporting the first plane hitting the tower twenty minutes before it did.
No, it’s not. It is proof, at most, of inaccurate reporting on a very confusing and emotionally tumultuous day.
They fucked up. Building 7 was supposed to fall much earlier that day, likely just after the two other towers collapsed, and there was a huge cloud of dust in the air, to mask the collapse.
And if they were in on it, don’t you think they would be extra careful not to pre-report it, as this would be highly suspicious?
to sell the narrative, duh. Just like the WMD, or Covid, or Russia's unprovoked attack, or any other of the lies ju jour we're fed on any given day, by the ((lying media)). Duh.
Anyway, why would the news media be in on it? What do they have to do with it?
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risk leaking the information ahead of time to the people with the megaphone? Doing so does not help your cause at all; rather, it vastly increases the chances of a simple mistake ruining the whole thing
there are lots of these videos,
I know. What’s your point?
Once again, you seem to have trouble with epistemic contextualization. How exactly do these videos strengthen your side of the argument? Are you trying to say that controlled demolitions can go wrong? Yes, I know they can. However, the argument from 9/11 Truthers has always been that the WTCs must have been controlled because they look just like controlled demolitions that went right. These videos, on the other hand, which are of uncontroversially controlled demolitions, look nothing like 9/11. The videos are not material to the argument you are trying to make.
They fucked up. Building 7 was supposed to fall much earlier that day, likely just after the two other towers collapsed, and there was a huge cloud of dust in the air, to mask the collapse.
Even if dust had masked the collapse, it still would have dawned on people to wonder why Building 7 collapsed in the first place. If it simply fell down at the same time, seemingly in sympathy with 1 and 2, despite not being struck by a plane, but not having burned for hours, that would have looked even more suspicious than what actually happened, so it seems that is an unlikely avenue for conspirators to take.
In any case, it would have been orders of magnitude more difficult to demolish it on the second attempt after screwing up the first attempt. Thousands of feet of wire would have to be traced to find the fault(s). Hundreds of detonators and explosive charges would have to be checked; many of them would have to be repositioned or replaced. All this would need to take place in few hours, inside a building that was heavily structurally damaged in unpredictable ways, and was on fire at the time. A whole new blast sequence would have to be developed on the fly. All this would need to be done without the hundreds of emergency personnel onsite suspecting anything. Does that sound plausible to you?
the point the videos make, is that the comment I was responding to,
These videos, on the other hand, which are of uncontroversially controlled demolitions, look nothing like 9/11. The videos are not material to the argument you are trying to make.
is beyond idiotic
Because there is no essential difference between controlled and uncontrolled demolition—they both lead to collapse, for exactly the same reasons. Once enough support is removed, the building falls down under its own weight.
Most of the debris falls straight down, i.e. “into its own footprint,” controlled demolition or not, because that’s the direction the gravitational force vector points. What other direction did you expect it to fall in?
The embarrassing story mainstream media was forced to go with is that Building 7 collapse due to structural damage inflicted upon it by the twin towers falling. Look it up. This was their first initial story. Years later NIST finally issues a report stating it was "Normal Office Fires" that collapsed WTC Building 7 ---Symmetrically, at free fall speeds...straight down into its own footprint. A burning sofa and desk collapsed steel skyscraper.
Even if dust had masked the collapse, it still would have dawned on people to wonder why Building 7 collapsed in the first place. If it simply fell down at the same time, seemingly in sympathy with 1 and 2, despite not being struck by a plane, but not having burned for hours, that would have looked even more suspicious than what actually happened, so it seems that is an unlikely avenue for conspirators to take.
In any case, it would have been orders of magnitude more difficult to demolish it on the second attempt after screwing up the first attempt. Thousands of feet of wire would have to be traced to find the fault(s). Hundreds of detonators and explosive charges would have to be checked; many of them would have to be repositioned or replaced. All this would need to take place in few hours, inside a building that was heavily structurally damaged in unpredictable ways, and was on fire at the time. A whole new blast sequence would have to be developed on the fly. All this would need to be done without the hundreds of emergency personnel onsite suspecting anything. Does that sound plausible to you?
Not true. You obviously do not know much about modern demolition techniques and circuitry. It is monitored and controlled by software. And the software runs error checking, continuity checking, current, resistance and voltage checking algorithms constantly. Circuits are designed in Parallel, not Series. The resistance value and total impedance of each parallel leg of the circuit is known and monitored. Any segment of any leg that opens is immediately flagged by built in test circuitry (aka...software). So to fix an open leg would be very simple. You look at your wiring schematic, immediately pinpoint to the open wiring leg or failed component and then you send one guy back into the building, get it done and get the hell out.
In any case, it would have been orders of magnitude more difficult to demolish it on the second attempt after screwing up the first attempt. Thousands of feet of wire would have to be traced to find the fault(s). Hundreds of detonators and explosive charges would have to be checked; many of them would have to be repositioned or replaced.
IMO, the simplest way to address the diversity of forced vehicle integration (I hope you see the parallel I’m drawing) is natural: The larger vehicle has the right of way. Period.
One of the strange things about our road network is that it is not at all optimized for commerce. The industrial activity that actually builds the thing in the first place is forced to share the right of way with day-trippers, joyriders, and an ever-increasing number of golems who seem to be tootling along for no apparent reason, frustrating the people who are actually doing business. It is one of the many signs that America is not really a serious nation.
This must and will change in the future, as economic reality forces us to adopt a more serious mindset. In essence, it is clear that highways, at least, must be deemed presumptively freight arteries, meaning that trucks and other licensed commercial vehicles should have the right of relatively unobstructed travel, perhaps in a dedicated lane. Private automobile traffic should be subject to higher gasoline fees and a luxury tax for highway travel, which would cut down on the number of frivolous trips.
No private driver, myself included, will be happy about having to incur this cost at first, but I think it is necessary for the greater good. It will save hundreds of billions of dollars per year in improved productivity, travel times, and fuel consumption.
all you have to do is watch the building imploding, to see that it was obviously a controlled demolitionor baring that, look at the controlled demolition expert saying so on video, when he's obviously not connected to the eventOr watch the several videos of news agencies pre-reporting the collapse, before it even happenedor consider that this worst crime in American history, had the forensic evidence of this crime, (and structural engineering miracle) all shipped off to China to be melted down so it couldn't be investigated. Or consider that Bush demanded that there was no need for any investigation at all, until he was forced into it, by the Jersey Girls, (who would not be bribed with millions into looking the other way), and then when they realized they were going to have to "investigate" it, they at first chose Henry Kissinger! to head it up. This is just a tiny, infinitesimal litany of the evidence that they're lying, and that 9/11 was an inside job.Building 7 is the smoking gun. It was obviously a controlled demolition, and the fact it was pre-reported, is proof, PROOF, that they knew it was going to implode. An implosion that not one of these lying scum can come up with any feasible rationale for how Building 7 collapsed that day. "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."It was impossible for Building 7 to collapse into its basement at freefall speed. It was impossible for several news agencies to know it would do so, unless it had been wired to do so. It would be the exact same thing, as CNN or the BBC reporting the first plane hitting the tower twenty minutes before it did. All sane people would want (demand) to know how they knew.But when it comes to building seven, people's psyche's kick in, and the truth simply becomes too terrible for them to contemplate, so they do mental somersaults and cognitive pirouettes to avoid what must be, (yes, I admit) a terrifying reality. But we've been here before. At Waco, they machine-gunned the people trying to flee the burning building. They had machine guns set up at the only exit, because they knew instinct would kick in, and the people would try to avoid the flames burning them alive. So they machine gunned them at the exit. The coroner called those death homicides, because they obviously weren't suicides. And they got away with those lies. Just as they got away with the heinous and cowardly attack on the USS Liberty, simply by lying about it. When they realized they can get away with ANYTHING, because they control the media, and because the American people are incapable of comprehending how malevolent they're capable of being, they figured how hard can doing a 9/11 be, when all we have to do is lie about it on television, and have all the politicians all agree, (like they did at Waco and with the Liberty), then it's going to be a wash. Your post is sort of proof, that they were right.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
First, we would have to assume that Building 7 was already prewired for demolition.
all you have to do is watch the building imploding, to see that it was obviously a controlled demolition
This is the begging the question. The collapse of any large building, for any reason, looks the same. They all look like “controlled demolitions.” Why? Because there is no essential difference between controlled and uncontrolled demolition—they both lead to collapse, for exactly the same reasons. Once enough support is removed, the building falls down under its own weight.
Most of the debris falls straight down, i.e. “into its own footprint,” controlled demolition or not, because that’s the direction the gravitational force vector points. What other direction did you expect it to fall in?
The debris falls “at freefall speed,” controlled demolition or not, because it is falling. The acceleration due to gravity is the same for both controlled and uncontrolled collapses. What other speed did you expect debris to fall at?
or baring that, look at the controlled demolition expert saying so on video, when he’s obviously not connected to the event
This is not an argument. I have a hard time believing that a “controlled demolitions expert” had no prior knowledge of Building 7’s collapse and was utterly naive and witnessing it for the first time during the making of that homespun documentary. If he really was that ignorant, he isn’t much of an expert. Anybody can say anything they want in a video; it isn’t forensic testimony.
Building 7 is the smoking gun. It was obviously a controlled demolition, and the fact it was pre-reported, is proof, PROOF, that they knew it was going to implode.
No, it’s not. It is proof, at most, of inaccurate reporting on a very confusing and emotionally tumultuous day. If the news agencies were pre-reporting it, that means they were in on the conspiracy to blow up the building. And if they were in on it, don’t you think they would be extra careful not to pre-report it, as this would be highly suspicious? Anyway, why would the news media be in on it? What do they have to do with it? If you were masterminding a criminal plot like this, would you risk leaking the information ahead of time to the people with the megaphone? Doing so does not help your cause at all; rather, it vastly increases the chances of a simple mistake ruining the whole thing. It just doesn’t make any sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fms8r2dRu_8
Once enough support is removed, the building falls down under its own weight.
Most of the debris falls straight down, i.e. “into its own footprint,” controlled demolition or not, because that’s the direction the gravitational force vector points. What other direction did you expect it to fall in?
he was from Denmark, and how many videos or news reports were there of Building 7's collapse on US television, let alone European television?
I have a hard time believing that a “controlled demolitions expert” had no prior knowledge of Building 7’s collapse
like I said, pre-reporting on Building 7, (even explaining it, as Fox news did, 'incredible structural damage'), before it fell, was the equivalent of reporting the first plane hitting the tower twenty minutes before it did.
No, it’s not. It is proof, at most, of inaccurate reporting on a very confusing and emotionally tumultuous day.
They fucked up. Building 7 was supposed to fall much earlier that day, likely just after the two other towers collapsed, and there was a huge cloud of dust in the air, to mask the collapse.
And if they were in on it, don’t you think they would be extra careful not to pre-report it, as this would be highly suspicious?
to sell the narrative, duh. Just like the WMD, or Covid, or Russia's unprovoked attack, or any other of the lies ju jour we're fed on any given day, by the ((lying media)). Duh.
Anyway, why would the news media be in on it? What do they have to do with it?
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risk leaking the information ahead of time to the people with the megaphone? Doing so does not help your cause at all; rather, it vastly increases the chances of a simple mistake ruining the whole thing
ID, the argument the cultists give is that, as the upper stories hit the lower stories, the lower stories slow down the upper stories and so it cannot fall at a free-fall speed.That is actually true, as far as it goes, which is not very far. If the collapse had started at the very top story, then the acceleration would have simply been one-third the acceleration of gravity, pretty much all the way down. Indeed, if the Twin Towers had been, say, a thousand stories high, that would have been the asymptotic acceleration towards the end of the collapse to leading order. That would mean that the total collapse time would be SQRT(3) = 1.732 times the free-fall time, which of course is longer than actually observed... if the collapse had started at the top story. I worked this out some years ago on my own -- took me about an hour. This is easy for any competent physicist or high-level structural engineer, similar to a frosh homework assignment for us back at Caltech.But of course the collapse did not start at the top story, but rather about fifteen stories down for the North Tower, and lower for the South Tower.And more than a third of the collapse time that I just estimated would have been required just for the top fifteen stories to collapse -- it would start slowly if it started from the very top story. Take that into account, and you guess a fall time of about 1.09 times free-fall time, which is of course consistent with observations.But even that is not quite right: you have to take into account that the velocity of the top fifteen stories came in one fell swoop, not in a cascading collapse. Solving for this initial condition can only be done by numerically integrating the differential equation (at least, I do not know how to solve this analytically, right now).In fact, Zdeněk Bažant, a Professor at Northwestern who is one of the world's experts on structural collapse, has in fact done this calculation, also taking into account other issues such as the energy required to cause the lover beams to buckle, to break up the concrete, etc. You can find his relevant papers and discussion, including discussions of criticisms from "9/11 Truther" critics here.Our cultists here know about Zdeněk Bažant's work: they just don't care.They disparage the fact that he is one of the top experts in the world in this discipline, because they are obsessed with the Internet meme that the opinions of some high-school dropout sitting in his pajamas in his mom's basement have just as much validity as the opinions of one of the world's top technical experts.They confuse the "argument from authority fallacy," where someone appeals to an "authority" who is not really an authority, with the fact that there are really are legitimate authorities who really do know more than ordinary people do.And, most of all, they lack the interest or the intellectual ability to actually read Bažant's papers, because their faith in their "Truther" nonsense has become central to their sense of personal identity.And if they read and understood Bažant's work, they would lose their faith.Anyway, I hope I have given you some sense of what happened with the Twin Towers' collapse from a technical viewpoint and, more importantly, what is going on with the "9/11 Truthers" here.It is a bizarre, pseudo-religious cult of people who are most assuredly psychotic paranoid schizophrenics. To a man. I have been interacting with them for weeks -- all mad as a hatter.I plan on posting some details on the actual differential equation that explains the Twin Towers' collapse some time in the future, though to get all the details you really have to go to Zdeněk Bažant's work cited above.By the way, the con artist Mark Gaffney keeps citing work by a guy named Greg Urich, claiming it shows that Bažant is wrong. Urich thinks that Bažant somewhat over-estimated the weight of the Twin Towers, but as Urich himself reportedly recognized, that actually does not matter. To leading order the mass drops out of the differential equation. As Bažant emphasizes, his analysis is very, very robust: very substantial errors in the estimated parameters do not significantly impact the results.I have pointed this out to Gaffney, but it makes no difference: he is a con artist who makes money selling books pushing lies about 9/11.He just doesn't care.Anyway, hope this helps you see what is going on.Take care.Dave Miller in Sacramento (B.S. Caltech; Ph.D., physics, Stanford, 1983)Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Intelligent Dasein, @AB_Anonymous
The debris falls “at freefall speed,” controlled demolition or not, because it is falling. The acceleration due to gravity is the same for both controlled and uncontrolled collapses. What other speed did you expect debris to fall at?
This is the ASININE COMMENT OF THE WEEK.
The collapse of any large building, for any reason, looks the same. They all look like “controlled demolitions.” Why? Because there is no essential difference between controlled and uncontrolled demolition
You did not witness a fire induced gravity collapse (as the Zio controlled USG and MSM would have you believe).
ON 9/11 NO FLOOR CRUSHED ANY OTHER FLOOR IN QUICK SUCCESSION.
EACH FLOOR WAS BLOWN UP in a synchronous manner.
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What you saw was a MOSSAD INDUCED EXPLOSIVE COLLAPSE.
Fountains of Wayne’s “Stacy’s Mom” by covid victim Adam Schlesinger…
You mean, “ventilator victim.”
What in the world could be the reason for casually tossing this misleading factoid into a conversation where it has no relevance? And while we’re at it, has anyone ever seen Steve so engaged in the comments than he has been in this post, where the topic of conversation is all about punk rockers and California venues? I submit that my assessment of Sailer’s intellectual contributions now stand proven, res ipsa loquitur.
Again, Unz writes an article of pure idiocy.
In that fascinating interview, a professional demolition expert named Danny Jowenko who was largely ignorant of the 9/11 attacks immediately identified the filmed collapse of WTC Building 7 as a controlled-demolition, and the remarkable clip was broadcast worldwide on Press TV and widely discussed across the Internet.
9/11 Truthers are not very skilled at epistemic contextualism. They don’t track the plot; they don’t think about how things would have to be done and what kind of preparations that would entail, and who would have to know about them; they don’t care about who is saying what to whom and why, and what they knew at the time. They just lift facts and snippets of dialogue out of context and assemble them into alternative explanations of reality.
One particularly egregious example of this is the mythology they’ve woven around Larry Silverstein saying “maybe the best thing to do is to pull it.”
The Truthers would have us believe that this was Silverstein giving the order to proceed with the controlled demolition of Building 7, but this makes no sense at all in context.
First of all, the quote comes from an interview Silverstein was doing for a PBS documentary. It was him talking about an event that occurred several years in the past. And what was he talking about? He was talking about a telephone conversation he had with the Fire Commander on 9/11. If this had anything to do with a controlled demolition, we would have to assume the following:
First, we would have to assume that Building 7 was already prewired for demolition. We would have to assume that both Larry Silverstein and the Fire Commander knew this and were in on the plot to demolish the building, since that is supposedly what they were talking about. We would have to assume that the Fire Commander, even though he intended to blow up the building, for some reason allowed his men in and around the building to fight the fires that were burning there, where they might be blown up or at the very least discover some evidence of the planted explosives. Then we would have to assume that the masterminds of 9/11, having no clear plan as to when they wanted Building 7 to come down, left this critical decision strangely in the hands of Larry Silverstein and the Fire Commander. We have to assume that either Silverstein or the Commander had access to the controls to initiate the demolition, or were in communication with the people who did have such access (in which case, since their locations and communications at the time were known, would be an easily discoverable smoking gun). And finally, to crown it all, we have to assume that, after going through all this elaborate maskirovka to pull off the crime of the century, Larry Silverstein decides to just casually admit to it all on national television.
This is the theorizing of people who cannot tell fantasy from reality, who never outgrew the phase of childhood when they think the people on sitcom television are both real and looking back at them, and who have a talismanic and magical conception of language rather than a logical one. These are the 9/11 Truthers.
The ineptly named “Truth” movement has done irreparable damage to the collective sanity of our society. It has accustomed tens of millions of people to the dangerous habits of sloppy, decontextualized thinking and of believing things without evidence and without reason. And it has created an heuristic out of the loopy notion that official sources always lie about everything, and since they always lie about everything, any crazy-ass alternative notion I come up with must be the truth. This is a recipe for civilizational disaster that has done more harm to our society than the 9/11 attacks themselves.
all you have to do is watch the building imploding, to see that it was obviously a controlled demolitionor baring that, look at the controlled demolition expert saying so on video, when he's obviously not connected to the eventOr watch the several videos of news agencies pre-reporting the collapse, before it even happenedor consider that this worst crime in American history, had the forensic evidence of this crime, (and structural engineering miracle) all shipped off to China to be melted down so it couldn't be investigated. Or consider that Bush demanded that there was no need for any investigation at all, until he was forced into it, by the Jersey Girls, (who would not be bribed with millions into looking the other way), and then when they realized they were going to have to "investigate" it, they at first chose Henry Kissinger! to head it up. This is just a tiny, infinitesimal litany of the evidence that they're lying, and that 9/11 was an inside job.Building 7 is the smoking gun. It was obviously a controlled demolition, and the fact it was pre-reported, is proof, PROOF, that they knew it was going to implode. An implosion that not one of these lying scum can come up with any feasible rationale for how Building 7 collapsed that day. "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."It was impossible for Building 7 to collapse into its basement at freefall speed. It was impossible for several news agencies to know it would do so, unless it had been wired to do so. It would be the exact same thing, as CNN or the BBC reporting the first plane hitting the tower twenty minutes before it did. All sane people would want (demand) to know how they knew.But when it comes to building seven, people's psyche's kick in, and the truth simply becomes too terrible for them to contemplate, so they do mental somersaults and cognitive pirouettes to avoid what must be, (yes, I admit) a terrifying reality. But we've been here before. At Waco, they machine-gunned the people trying to flee the burning building. They had machine guns set up at the only exit, because they knew instinct would kick in, and the people would try to avoid the flames burning them alive. So they machine gunned them at the exit. The coroner called those death homicides, because they obviously weren't suicides. And they got away with those lies. Just as they got away with the heinous and cowardly attack on the USS Liberty, simply by lying about it. When they realized they can get away with ANYTHING, because they control the media, and because the American people are incapable of comprehending how malevolent they're capable of being, they figured how hard can doing a 9/11 be, when all we have to do is lie about it on television, and have all the politicians all agree, (like they did at Waco and with the Liberty), then it's going to be a wash. Your post is sort of proof, that they were right.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
First, we would have to assume that Building 7 was already prewired for demolition.
Yep, exactly right. Lack of it results in pure idiocy, coupled with people who know absolutely nothing about technical subjects giving 'expert' opinions. It's weird.
Epistemic contextualism
That, and Trump with his fake news, and now 'stop the steal', not to mention gay pride, transsexuals, hormone blockers and Frankenstein surgery on children .... this society is really f**cked up, seriously. Imagine being a teenager, i.e. formative years, in this insanity. And we're dealing death and destruction to the rest of the world and have been for a long time.
The ineptly named “Truth” movement has done irreparable damage to the collective sanity of our society.
The 9/11 “Truth” movement is better off forgotten.
I think it has to do with this communal experience, “mingling/getting lost in the crowd” thing. I was never really able to do that.
To me, any large crowd always seemed like a mob that might turn instantly dangerous, and they make me quite uncomfortable when they start getting all riled up, such as at a concert. I think the “communal experience” types have lost the primal fear that causes them to constantly sum up their tactical situation. I don’t know how else they can enjoy being there.
You’re skipping the Met Gala this year?Replies: @Alfa158
To me, any large crowd always seemed like a mob that might turn instantly dangerous
This is the plain and simple truth. Whatever validity there is behind Sailer’s dubious “discovery” of the Floyd Effect (and there isn’t much), it is all a derivative of the Covid tyranny. But Steve has an HBD audience to please, so he’s going to keep plugging away at this crap. He’s teeing it up to be the capstone of his career, which I suppose is just as it should be. I couldn’t think of a more fitting nothingburger.
Indeed. Steve's recent article about how Burning Man moved 350 miles away from where it was founded simply to make it harder for black people to reach (rural Marin County, five miles away from SF, would have sufficed for that), and the present logistical troubles at Burning Man 2023 didn't descend into cannibalism solely because of no black people present, was about the most "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" thing ever. More specialized than that, in fact : "When all you have is an obsolete Antminer Bitcoin miner of no further use, everything looks like 2015 Bitcoin mining."But I feel bad for Steve, as he is catering to just about the least likely to donate subdemographic of a subdemographic ever. Ron Unz's supervisors have unlimited budget (given the true purpose of this website), so Ron's supervisors should pay Steve more. I have long been the only one demanding that Ron's supervisors pay Steve more.
But Steve has an HBD audience to please, so he’s going to keep plugging away at this crap. He’s teeing it up to be the capstone of his career, which I suppose is just as it should be. I couldn’t think of a more fitting nothingburger.
Braess’s Paradox is interesting, but how often do you think it occurs in real life?
I’m not sure if the formal version of the paradox occurs with great frequency, but I think the formalized concept is just one node along a continuum of conditions that are fairly ubiquitous in real life. Since the paradox depends on people making rational, self-interested choices, what we have here is essentially just as special case of the Tragedy of the Commons, which seems to cover a lot of what we experience in bad traffic.
To make a long story short, the road network is a “commons” that comes in for a lot of abuse by shortsighted utilizers. A modern road system incurs heavy construction and maintenance costs which hitherto have been mostly socialized, which is to say, “free at the point of use,” but hidden within a thicket of fuel taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, and state, local, and federal levies.
There are obvious benefits to such socialization, but it’s also a two-edged sword. On the one hand, it allows great fluidity and flexibility for individuals to use the road network without having to pay a daily toll; but on the other hand, it prevents the individual from having “skin in the game” and puts him at rather far remove from market discipline. These are two sides of the same coin.
When we say that huge oil price spike in 2008, it changed the rationale for many individual automobile trips rather dramatically, and congestion was noticeably improved. Those days appear to be poised to return as OPEC+Russia cuts output and the Biden admin continues its war on domestic energy with the SPR already drained. If we would like to enjoy the benefits of less congestion without having to endure a ruinous economic depression, we will need to shift the balance of roadway funding more towards “private” and less towards “social.” It is important for smart and erudite people to start making this point now, because when the pain hits there will be plenty of demagogic clowns clamoring for the easy ways out.
This was me in middle school. How many middle school kids brought the newspaper to school? I know newspapers are barely a thing anymore, but even when they were, I was the only one. In high school I played the typical sports and extra-curriculars that make up the "well rounded" experience, but I still brought the paper to school.Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
Hanna was like a 40 year old teenager
This was me in middle school. How many middle school kids brought the newspaper to school?
When I was in middle school, we were required in social studies classes to read the newspaper and to clip articles, research them, and write reports on them. And this wasn’t ancient times, it was the ’90s.
I thought this was pretty standard. Am I wrong?
Brilliant! Better yet dynamite all the freeways altogether. No roads, no traffic jams! There are never any traffic jams in rural Pakistan because they don't have any roads.
Owen argued that the way to fight freeway traffic jams is not by adding more lanes but by reducing the number of lanes.
This kind of brilliant intellectual insight (Less is more!) which has ensured that America has only gone from strength to strength in the last 30 years.
There’s plenty of examples of this. It’s called Braess’s Paradox. An overloaded highway can make the entire road network less efficient, leading to more traffic jams which would be eliminated by making the highway a less attractive self-interested choice, changing the Nash Equilibrium.