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  • @Thorfinnsson
    @Europe Europa

    Australia might as well be England with a better climate. Depending on how you want to date it Australia wasn't even sovereign until 1986.

    There's a lot more of a distance between America and Great Britain, but if hypothetically the UK had a "based and redpilled" government that was seeking to reassert sovereignty over the USA, the right choice would be to drop the stars and stripes for the union jack. I don't think driving on the wrong side of the road and sipping tea would be the end of the world if it meant a restoration of sanity.

    And of course you didn't bring up New Zealand or Canada, which are much better equivalents to the Ukraine in terms of fakeness.

    The basic problem is that fundamentally the Ukrainians are fighting for the "right" to be objectively wrong. Or more precisely, for the right to join the GAE (Gay American Empire). The only way in which this wouldn't be true is if the Ukrainian hard right has some kind of secret yet credible plan to seize the Ukrainian state after somehow kicking the Russians out.

    Returning to your original point, what exactly makes the Ukraine a nation? To just about everyone outside of Ukraine itself, no one can figure out what distinguishes Ukrainians from Russians. I'm not a Slavic language speaker, but I frequently hear about Ukrainian simply being a dialect of Russian or at least mutually intelligible. It should also be pointed out that English-language transliterations of Ukrainian words consistently look much worse than their Russian equivalents, and this is now ruining maps all over the world. Just from the standpoint of not wanting to ever see the cringe term "Kyiv" again one should avoid supporting the Ukrainians.

    Now, it's true that any LARP sustained long enough eventually becomes real. The Netherlands for instance was once German, and there's even a parallel there with how Dutch consistently looks and sounds worse than German. So an independent Ukraine could, over time, become a real country. But to what end? Do we really need another mediocre Slavic country? It reminds me of Latin America, where you have dozens of barely distinguishable nonentity countries serving no real purpose. The entire region should be consolidated into maybe five states at most. Russia, Poland, and Serbia are the only Slavic states needed by the world.

    The most "natural" way to organize states is around nationality, especially since the rise of mass communication. Where a state departs from this, it should be to realize some kind of interesting, cool, and distinct concept. Switzerland for instance is a confederation made up of pieces of three other nations, but the Swiss have created a highly interesting and distinct polity based on extreme decentralization, direct democracy, neutrality, and universal militia. For Switzerland to disappear would impoverish the world. But what is the objective in Ukraine? It is to become just another gay western democracy.

    AP has the take that Visegrad shows the way. Integrating with the West to enjoy its security guarantees and material benefits, but developing your own civilization instead of destroying it. Press X for doubt. Viktor Orban might go down in the next election, and Polish conservatives appear to be doubling down on all of the dumbest mistakes of American Republicans.

    So at the end of the day the Ukraine is fighting for the right to be objectively wrong, whereas Russia might be fighting to (re)establish a distinct civilizational space.

    Note that none of this indicates that Russia made a wise decision (too soon to say), nor do I wish to denigrate current Ukrainian resistance. Most people do not choose their beliefs anymore than they choose where they were born, and in the event of an invasion the natural response is to fight. Even assuming that some Ukrainians were able to reach correct conclusions about the many reasons why their country should not exist, it would be very personally unwise for them to share these opinions or act on them at this time.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Anatoly Karlin, @Blinky Bill, @Mr. Hack, @Wielgus, @AP, @sb

    Depending on how you want to date it Australia wasn’t even sovereign until 1986.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    @Blinky Bill

    Croc Dundee is still the most popular Australian-made movie in Australia ever, which I think shows how easy it would be to make films with a nationalist message (assuming it was more based) that resonated with the public.

    The second one (1988) has a sort of funny scene where Dundee sees a guy on a ledge, and then nearly stumbles off it when finds out that he is gay. (Though I assume it was meant to lay the groundwork - first as a joke and then serious)

    The final one (2001) is really woke. Dundee uses the word "partner" to describe his common law wife (actual wife, in real life).

    I assume Paul Hogan is woke, though he rails against cancel culture.

  • @sudden death
    Thanx, Putler ;)

    Germany and Qatar have agreed upon a long-term energy partnership to help cut reliance on Russian gas over the invasion of Ukraine, German Economic Minister Robert Habeck said Sunday.

    Habeck, who is on a two-nation visit to the Arabian Gulf, met with Qatari Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad al-Thani in Doha.

    "The day has developed a strong dynamic," Habeck said, adding that the emir had pledged more support than Germany had expected.

    "Although we might still need Russian gas this year, in the future it won't be so anymore. And this is only the start," Habeck said.
     

    https://www.dw.com/en/qatar-to-help-germany-cut-reliance-on-russian-gas-says-minister/a-61191584

    Replies: @German_reader, @Blinky Bill

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    @Blinky Bill

    Actually, it would seem that it is much more Europe that will be feeling the "squeeze", especially after this:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-23/putin-wants-hostile-states-to-pay-rubles-for-gas-interfax-says

    Replies: @sudden death

  • @A123
    @utu

    The whole "hypersonic" concept has been oversold. Anything going faster than the speed of sound can be tracked by the hole it leaves in the air.

    There is an incremental gain for "hypersonic" over ballistic. The supercarrier task force will have to operate further from the cost to obtain the time necessary to intercept one. However, the idea that such weapons make carriers easy to kill is simply bogus.

    If supercarriers are obsolete, why is China developing its own Type-004 nuclear powered flat top? The U.S. will have "hypersonic" weapons long before the Type-004 goes to sea.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

    If supercarriers are obsolete, why is China developing its own Type-004 nuclear powered flat top?

    One can look at it two ways:

    Dismissive: monkey see, monkey do. Wants the same toys.

    Or Justificatory: China is trying to compete with the US, therefore it needs to match the status symbols that the US has. Carriers show a willingness and a certain capability to guarantee commerce on the seas. They can also be used to threaten Third World, non-nuclear powers, even if they are obsolete in a direct confrontation between Great Powers, (as is everything but the H-bomb.)

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @songbird

    Both reasons apply to US:
    - after building carriers for so long, they can't stop - monkeys don't stop eating bananas
    - they work against second-rate enemies - until somebody gives them a few missiles.

    The era of the naval carrier dominance is over. Like medieval castles they went from fortresses to traps once artillery got better. Castles stayed around even after becoming useless - not everyone had the artillery or cared to use it. There was also the sunk cost and the emotional attachment. Same as today's navies; they can always float safely around Antarctica. But only during summer months.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    , @Johann Ricke
    @songbird


    China is trying to compete with the US, therefore it needs to match the status symbols that the US has. Carriers show a willingness and a certain capability to guarantee commerce on the seas. They can also be used to threaten Third World, non-nuclear powers, even if they are obsolete in a direct confrontation between Great Powers, (as is everything but the H-bomb.)
     
    They can be used to take land, even from nuclear powers, since no nuclear power will attack another one with nukes for fear of complete destruction. It's pretty simple logic - losing a piece of land is not worth blowing your own head off. That's why China is building out a massive conventional military - while upgrading its nuclear force. The nukes are a shield against any adversary's first use of nukes, while the conventional force is a sword to gain territory.
  • @Thulean Friend
    https://berlingske.bmcdn.dk/media/cache/resolve/image_x_large/image/152/1529828/24043104-b1.jpg

    That building looks any ordinary new building, but it will in fact be entirely made out of wood except for the exterior glass. Too much of the discussion on climate change has focused on transportation but there are huge challenges in areas like industry or heating. Trees are much better for the climate and the stigma ("it can all burn up so easily!") is mostly misguided and based on a number of fallacies.

    Unsurprisingly, this is being built in Scandinavia and in Denmark to be exact. Berlingske has written up a good background article on the matter.

    Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros, @Barbarossa

    I build with timbers for a living, not the big cross laminated stuff that you are talking about on a commercial scale, but more traditional mortise and tenon pegged stuff.

    You are correct about the fire resistance. Big beams will char on the outside which forms and insulating layer which creates a slow burn. This gives a fair bit of time for the structure to catastrophically fail.

    Steel will start expanding on a fire, tearing itself apart and popping fasteners very quickly, leading to unpredictable catastrophic failures.

    Many modern engineered wood products also suffer from bad failures in fires. Engineered I joists commonly lead to sudden floor collapses. Firefighters hate them because they go from seeming fine to total failure in seconds.

  • Yevardian says:
    @Dacian Julien Soros
    @Yevardian

    Can you read Romanian? I find current-year Romanian literature as formulaic as current-year world literature or current-year pop music. I think Marin Preda and Camil Petrescu were the best novel writers, but neither was translated to English AFAIK. Both are half-realistic writers, reflecting the Romanian life in the first half of the 20th century.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Can you read Romanian? I find current-year Romanian literature as formulaic as current-year world literature or current-year pop music.

    Yes, although I’ve barely used it all in years. I’ll just say I have close personal ties to the country. And yes, although I don’t follow that closely, its expected, probably most recent authors I read were Sadoveanu and Urmuz, both pretty old.
    But at least until the mid 20th century Romania had a respectable number of strong writers for a country of its size.

    Leaving this forum is in my view unnecessary, it is one of the few places where different perspectives meet. This war is the most important event in a long time, it will impact everything.

    It’s more just a periodic break from internet/news I regularly take, when I start noticing it starts effecting output in real things. There’s also been escalating crisis in Armenia (again), since Azerbaijan has been repeatedly violating the ceasefire recently, and blocking gas and imports (during a freezing winter) to the remnants of Artsakh in an attempt induce panic. Its also unclear how long Russian troops will remain to protect the corridor with this fucking Ukrainian war dragging.. I course, I don’t expect average reader to take interest in Turkic bloodfeuds (small-country nationalisms injecting their grievances into every discussion), but I mention it as part of the post-Soviet context, a lot in the wider region is hinging on events in Ukraine.

    @Agathoklis

    Not really helpful, it was adequately written and seemed relatively non-partisan, you could at least point out what you found wrong with it (it was just a popular history for an educated Anglo layperson that knows little of the modern state, I don’t know what you expect), or recommend something better.

    @BlinkyBill

    Neither here nor there, but apart from personal distaste, the things about Indian culture (their languages and visage aside) I find really repulsive is the pervasive dichotomy between self-abasing servility and churlish arrogance you get there as a result of the caste-system.
    And its all overlaid by this reverence deep feelings of racial inferiority, and a practical reverence for stasis and total complacence with conditions of filth and despair that forms a part of their traditional religions. I don’t think its a coincidence that Western charlatans, degenerates and drug-addicts have taken inspiration from there since at least the late 19th century.

    @Dmitri

    Have you read Herodotus yet? I feel like I remember German Reader was going to advise us to read him.

    I think like a lot of people, I’ve examined certain passages extensively, or referred to it as an index for sourcing various topics, but I haven’t sat and read through the whole work, no. I’ve always been more interested in the Hellenistic and Late-Roman/early-Byzantine periods, since they deal with very topical issues like demographic change/replacement, tensions in multiethnic societies, imperial overextension, and state collapse. So in general I’m more familiar with authors like Polybios, Diodoros or Prokopios, than Herodotos.

    Herodotos of course belongs to the ‘Golden Age’ of Greece, perhaps all antiquity, but also for that reason it has always disproportionate attention relative to all other periods. Greeks were artificially copying the ‘Attic’ dialect of Greek (although Herodotos wrote Ionian, he’s a little earlier), using a huge array of long-obselete diacritics, even as the speech had evolved to Koine, then Byzantine forms, in some form, practically until the end of Katharevousa.

    Maybe Unamuno could be interesting? I never read his books though. Probably, Mikel has a view. This is the kind of book I would look for as a souvenir in Spain.

    Yeah, I remember reading a book of his on Christianity a while ago, but I didn’t quite ‘grab’ me. He also seems to have held very ‘cuck’ like disparaging views on his own native language and culture, which turns me off. I mean, it can be justified, but to me the superiority of Basque society over Castillian conditions (as a whole) just seems very obvious.

    Btw, I started on a book on recent China that looks interesting, even if it’s obviously from some hyperpartisan neocon hawk angle (and apparently, written by a pajeet), its not hiding that fact. So far, from the introduction, its clear the author disdains emotional language, looks to be a worthwhile read. Perhaps Our Benevolent Overlord himself would be interested in taking a look?

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Yevardian

    https://youtu.be/tEwz3sHwNjY
    https://youtube.com/shorts/Xk12JWDcYMg?feature=share

    Any place ruled by priests degenerates look at the modern West. This was already predicted & is being restored. You're on the wrong side as recent events in Russia show.

    https://twitter.com/Parikramah/status/1287798024304041984?s=20

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    , @Mikel
    @Yevardian


    Yeah, I remember reading a book of his on Christianity a while ago, but I didn’t quite ‘grab’ me. He also seems to have held very ‘cuck’ like disparaging views on his own native language and culture, which turns me off.
     
    Yes, Some of Unamuno's work was required reading at high school and it didn't cause any lasting impression on me either.

    His disparaging Basque culture is not surprising though. He only had partial Basque ancestry and he was born in Bilbao, of all places, at a time of big industrial growth that must have contrasted sharply with the Basque rural surroundings.

    My favorite novelist in Spanish language used to be Pio Baroja. Like Unamuno, he was a member of the prolific Generation of 98, formed around writers influenced by the final defeat of the Spanish imperial dream after the Spanish-American War. Baroja also had Basque and Italian roots but he was much more assimilated to the Basque Country, having been born in the more autochthonous Donostia. As I remember his novels, he used to portray very appealing and credible characters of adventurers born in the maritime side of the Basque lands, where he was born.

    But I haven't read any fiction for years and the last time I did I went for Swedish dark humor so I'm not sure how valuable my opinion might be for a very well read person like you.
    , @Dmitry
    @Yevardian


    isparaging views on his own native language and culture
     
    I'm not saying he is interesting or not (as I didn't read him) or even if he could be called a philosopher. Maybe Spain, doesn't have philosophers?

    But which philosophers or interesting writers, don't need to do that? It's a little like fasting for saints. One of Socrates' definitions, according to Plato, (to paraphase) of a philosopher, is the higher soul person who disengaged from their current time, from their family and place, views like from the top of a mountain.

    Herodotos of course belongs to the ‘Golden Age’ of Greece, perhaps all antiquity, but also for that reason it has always disproportionate attention
     
    Although I guess not disproportionate relative to the quality or interest of the civilization. It's one of the more elevated and fertile times and places of the human race, so it's natural people focus on the fifth century writers.

    China that looks interesting, even if it’s obviously from some hyperpartisan neocon
     
    Maybe it would be interesting to read what the Chinese Marxist historians are writing. Perhaps not, in terms of European history, but in terms of the Chinese history of recent centuries.

  • That building looks any ordinary new building, but it will in fact be entirely made out of wood except for the exterior glass. Too much of the discussion on climate change has focused on transportation but there are huge challenges in areas like industry or heating. Trees are much better for the climate and the stigma (“it can all burn up so easily!”) is mostly misguided and based on a number of fallacies.

    Unsurprisingly, this is being built in Scandinavia and in Denmark to be exact. Berlingske has written up a good background article on the matter.

    • Thanks: sher singh, Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
    @Thulean Friend

    They built three Grenfell Towers.

    , @Barbarossa
    @Thulean Friend

    I build with timbers for a living, not the big cross laminated stuff that you are talking about on a commercial scale, but more traditional mortise and tenon pegged stuff.

    http://hylandtimberframing.com/uploads/3/4/2/2/34226019/img-1140_orig.jpg

    You are correct about the fire resistance. Big beams will char on the outside which forms and insulating layer which creates a slow burn. This gives a fair bit of time for the structure to catastrophically fail.

    Steel will start expanding on a fire, tearing itself apart and popping fasteners very quickly, leading to unpredictable catastrophic failures.

    Many modern engineered wood products also suffer from bad failures in fires. Engineered I joists commonly lead to sudden floor collapses. Firefighters hate them because they go from seeming fine to total failure in seconds.

    http://www.goodfellowinc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/TJI-joist-image.jpg

  • @Yahya
    @German_reader


    That being said, I do get the impression that there’s substantial sympathy for Russia/antipathy to NATO in non-Western countries.... Karlin is probably right that many see it through the lens of putting down the hated West
     
    You're right there is substantial sympathy for Russia in non-Western countries. But your Western-centric view ("they're only supporting Russia to stick it to the West") speaks to an extreme parochialism and a lack of imagination. People have other reasons for supporting Russia. Razib Khan once mentioned on Twitter that Bengalis sympathize with Russia because they remember their support for Bangladesh during the 1971 Genocide.

    https://twitter.com/razibkhan/status/1501254010048815104?s=20&t=21igLJ4klqCUykYt-2Xj6g

    Palestinians have their reasons too:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj3-JydZQ2I&ab_channel=CoreyGil-Shuster

    I'd say roughly 40% support Russia, 20% support Ukraine, and 40% neither. Reasons are all over the place. One person did mention "sticking it to America" (but not the West at large) as a reason for supporting Russia, but most gave other reasons such as "Ukraine government is Jewish" or "Ukraine didn't stand with Palestine when we needed help". Support for Ukraine was mostly on humanitarian basis ("don't want to see them suffer" or "they are the little guy"). The rest didn't support Ukraine nor Russia because neither support Palestine. Others said they would like to remain neutral on the issue.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XUETRzPJ5Y&ab_channel=CoreyGil-Shuster

    By contrast, Israelis seem more supportive of Ukraine. Most of them cited humanitarian reasons such as "the unjust differences of force" or "they don't deserve what's happening to them" (ironic). But there were two Lithuanian Jews who supported Russia because "Ukrainians killed us, while Russians saved Jews during WW2".

    Replies: @German_reader, @Blinky Bill

    • LOL: Yahya
  • @songbird
    @German_reader


    South Africa’s pro-Russian stance really shows what a disastrous mistake it was to throw the Afrikaners under the bus in a futile attempt to curry favour with useless black Africans.
     
    Am no fan of the South African government, but seems entirely rational from their perspective to want a multipolar world, without necessarily attributing it to animus.

    IMO, throwing the Rhodesians and white South Africans under the bus was done for ideological reasons about race. The Cold War was just a justification. I'm not saying it was the case exactly, but I believe it would be truer to say that it was done to please American blacks than African ones.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @German_reader

    • Thanks: songbird
  • @Yevardian
    I'm going to take a break from Unz for a month or two in the next couple days, and the internet in general. I've been spending too much time obsessively following this war, and since in the end I'm totally removed from it, it starts to feel like voyeurism. Trudging through the dishonesty, intense anger and propaganda on both sides isn't really rewarding either.

    Could anybody here who reads recommend some books (fiction, essays or history), also in Russian, Spanish or even Romanian? I'm pretty familiar with Russian and English authors, but I almost know nothing about Spanish literature (read Borges and Paz, didn't like either very much, actually I enjoyed reading Eduardo Galeano's leftist tracts better).

    I'm thinking to finally read one Hillgruber's main works, although it seems most of his output has never been translated, in general if someone (utu?) might recommend some 'powerful' accounts of Europe 1918-1945 (anything like e.g. Lothrop Stoddard's 'Into the Darkness'), that aren't wally-tier revisionist garbage, I'd be thankful.

    I've also been looking (admittedly not very hard) for a detailed general history of France, something broad that isn't also just a shallow survey. It feels like an absolutely overwhelming proportion of books in English (or Russian) are about the Revolution, its background, or Napoleon, it's actually not that easy to find a balanced history that doesn't treat all French history as a leadup or aftermath of those events.

    Also wondering if there's been any major books dealing with Israel, China (last thing I read was Fenby's 'Fall and Rise of a Great Power: 1850-2009, obviously a lot changed since then), Turkey (I've only read Zürcher's book on modern Turkey), Greece (Roderick Beaton has an excellent survey, but it ends in 2007) or Russia in the past 20-30 years that avoid being hyper-partisan, or at least attempt emotional distance and objectivity? I'm close to finishing a recent (and quite acid) account of Gorbachev's presidency, Vladislav Zubok's 'Collapse', which just came out last year. So a good detailed work on the Yeltsin years to the present I'm looking for.
    Probably now would also be a good time to read a modern history of Ukraine too, I read two recently but one was a brief summary and the other was just a partisan travel account of the country post-Maidan.

    Also maybe German_Reader (did you read Barnes work on Ammianus?) could recommend any particularly interesting papers or books on Antiquity? I finished Anson's work on Eumenes, 'A Greek Among Macedonians', recently that was absolutely excellent, I'd recommend for anyone who has an interest in that period.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow, @Dacian Julien Soros, @Agathoklis, @Blinky Bill, @Dmitry, @Sasu, @AP

    Could anybody here who reads recommend some books (fiction, essays or history).


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    I’m sorry, I couldn’t help myself.

    • LOL: Yahya, Pharmakon
  • Like it or not, but shock and disbelief is inevitable.
  • @Dmitry
    @Twinkie

    No, you cannot destroy military base thousands of kilometres away, with conventional missiles.

    Ballistic missiles with that range would have most of their weight being fuel, so warheads themselves would be comparatively weak, relative to the missile size.

    Cruise missiles with that range, the same issue, and they are very slow and can be easily intercepted from such ranges.

    US or Japan would also have air-superiority as well, so China cannot use much aviation against them.

    These bases are designed to repair damaged runways almost immediately. They have been installed with modern radar systems, air-defense systems, etc.


    would be sheer insanity on the part of the PRC.
     
    If China has entered war with USA or Japan, then China would lose an opportunity for air-superiority with Taiwan. (But probably this opportunity does not exist anyway, as Taiwan has a large airforce).

    Compared to China, US and Japanese airforces have more advanced aircraft, higher levels of technology, etc.


    e best hope for the PRC in any kind of attempt to take over Taiwan is a highly limited military campaign
     
    Some kind of internal coup.

    But to invade Taiwan in conventional way, would require more than a millions soldiers, to be transported by boat.

    Taiwan's Western beaches are next to mountains, where Taiwan has artillery. So China would be invading beaches, where Taiwan's army would be firing above them from the mountains.

    All China's logistics and ammunition transported by boat, so they would have less firepower available than Taiwan from the landpower view.

    Amphibious invasion is also almost considered geographically almost impossible in Taiwan strait, with strong current, changing depth of coast, little space for ships to land soldiers.

    Considering this, academics are writing that conversation of invasion seems to be a kind of unrealistic threat.


    American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and now the Russian campaign in Ukraine have demonstrated
     
    There is no comparison. Ukraine is a third world country with indefensible flatland, next to Russia.

    It should have been one of the easiest invasions, from logistical and geographical point of view.

    Taiwan is a fortified island, separate from China, with a first world economy.

    Taiwan would even have air superiority during the amphibious attack, as they have a very large airforce, with more advanced planes than China, including the F-16s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_Air_Force#Current_inventory

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @nebulafox

    The real threat to Taiwan’s long-term security isn’t military, but political.

    Internally, the ending of conscription is just the tip of the iceberg. For reasons rooted both in Taiwan’s Cold War history relevant to the current generation in charge, and Taiwan’s contemporary fractious politics, civilian-military relations are poor to the point that many Taiwanese politicians just ignore their own military chiefs. The result is a complete lack of coherence in strategy. For this and other reasons-problems with funding, mismanagement of conscription, logistics failures-there’s a severe morale issue for the Taiwanese populace right now, civilians and soldiers alike. These problems are not unknown in Taiwan, but they are politically difficult to address and implement.

    (It should go without saying that the CCP, which stakes its entire legitimacy on claims of Chinese nationhood that *demand* Taiwan eventually, one way or another, be “united” with the motherland does not struggle with a lack of political-military cohesion or funding. As for the civilians at home: yes, an amphibious invasion is going to be difficult, but provided that they don’t set off a broader conflict they can’t win, the PRC isn’t going to struggle with support for the war. Even with-or maybe even because-of the casualties incurred. This is not simply due to repression, contra what the State Department or CNN would like to imagine. The only thing that’ll deter the PRC is the threat of a wider war. The prospect of simply taking a lot of casualties isn’t going to do it. And Beijing knows that the “economic integration” road is no longer feasible: certainly not after what happened in Hong Kong, but even before then, it was losing its feasibility.)

    Zelensky was able to grab the attention of the world before Putin could give him a fait accompli and the world could take the time to care enough. That would have been impossible had his population not rallied to an extent that surprised external observers. It’s difficult to see something similar happening in Taiwan right now, even if the island is far better positioned for a defensive war.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
  • Discussion continues at the next Open Thread. Please note that I am no longer involved in any capacity with this blog, which is henceforth known as the Russian Reaction Community. It will presumably be maintained at The Unz Review for as long as demand for it exists. As I mentioned before, all my "serious" commentary...
  • Geography and distance determine the physical environment in which a conflict is fought. Strategic depth refers to the distance from the location in which battle is occurring, to a combatant’s key political, economic, and military centers. Having greater strategic depth allows a combatant to protect or distribute key assets and targets from an opposing force’s attacks, as well as greater flexibility to withdraw from unfavorable engagements backwards to relative safety, where forces can regroup and maneuver. Strategic depth also allows a combatant to keep key bases, C4ISR and logistics nodes away from the “front” and further away from relative danger.

    The ROCArF suffers an unenviable situation where the geography of Taiwan offers very limited strategic depth in the face of contemporary PLA strike capabilities. Coupled with the close proximity of Taiwan as an island from the Chinese mainland, this means the entirety of Taiwan is well within range of the shortest ranged Chinese SRBMs in service, even when deployed kilometers inside China’s territory. The short distance and limited strategic depth of Taiwan also enables PLA aircraft to conduct longer endurance sorties for combat or ISR missions.

    Recent so-called “encirclement flights” made by PLAAF bombers around Taiwan have suggested that the PLA now has the ability to strike Taiwan from multiple directions; however, the PLA has likely possessed this capability since the first DF-10 and KD-20 LACMs entered service a decade ago. During a conflict the PLA would not require superfluous bomber flights around Taiwan given the range and sophistication of even older LACMs.

    Moreover, striking Taiwan from multiple directions is arguably less strategically important than being able to strike at all relevant facilities within Taiwan at virtually no risk. In short, Taiwan’s limited strategic depth increases the vulnerability of all of its major military facilities, as well as political and economic centers. Conversely, China enjoys substantially greater strategic depth in the form of the Chinese mainland, with associated benefits in survivability.

  • • Replies: @songbird
    @Blinky Bill

    LMAO. I once had the fanciful idea that inflation might be a secret scheme to convert the US to the metric system.

  • Like it or not, but shock and disbelief is inevitable.
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    Shock and disbelief.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    Shock and disbelief when Pizza Hut is no longer available in Russia.

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  • @Dmitry
    @Wokechoke

    But is not a war between European countries, but between Ukraine and Russia.

    Ukraine claims to be "part of Europe", but let's be serious.

    This is what postsoviet military* looks like after the 30 years of asset stripping and rule by mafia and oligarchs.

    Everything far more chaotic, incompetent and disorganized than I could have even imagine.

    -

    *Azerbaijan in 2020 was now like a strange exception to postsoviet life, as their military operation had appeared organized and technologically advanced, able to use new strategies and combined arms. Somehow their military budget had not all been used to fund Cristal bottles in Monaco.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    This is what postsoviet military* looks like after the 30 years of asset stripping and rule by mafia and oligarchs.

    You had gone three posts in a row without once mentioning asset-stripping, so I was starting to worry.

    But phew, I can now relax – things are back to normal.

    • Thanks: Barbarossa
    • LOL: Yahya, Blinky Bill
  • @utu
    @German_reader


    But we will not fight a war against Russia in Ukraine.
     
    Big mistake. You do not say what you will do or not do to the enemy unless you want to deceive him

    A no-fly zone in Ukraine could work (3/11/22)
    https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/597489-a-no-fly-zone-in-ukraine-could-work

    The result is a Kremlin so confident in escalation dominance as to unilaterally claim a right to dictate Ukraine’s fate as a state. Escalate to de-escalate can only be disrupted on, or above, the ground. Declaring a no-fly zone, or other air operations, over western territory critical for humanitarian and NATO border security would do just that.

    Pondering this option, former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Phil Breedlove asks, “What is it we stand for?” Yes, U.S. air operations in Ukraine will be dangerous, disruptive and frightening but there is a point in conflict that caution and complicity produce the same results. When that arrives, what is it we fly for?

     


    A direct confrontation between NATO and Russia is World War III. And something we must strive to prevent.
     
    Again this is a mistake to say it. Fear of war should not be the definitive controlling parameter in decision making. MAD doctrine works only as deterrent as long as both sides have no doubt that the other side will follow the doctrine. Telling your enemy you are willing to do anything to avoid WW III shows that you have already bailed out. War, any war must be alway on the table and your enemy must know it because otherwise: "You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour and you will have war."

    Replies: @German_reader, @Ron Unz

    A no-fly zone in Ukraine could work

    I hadn’t been paying much attention to the political chatter about No Fly Zones because it seemed totally crazy to me. But since you’ve brought it up, here’s my question…

    I assume you’re talking about having American and NATO planes shoot down any Russian planes flying combat missions in Ukraine. Doesn’t that mean a Russia-NATO war? And wouldn’t it be likely that the Russians would then retaliate by targeting the NATO airbases of those planes with missiles to try to put them out of action?

    Aren’t you just saying NATO should declare war on Russia over Ukraine? And isn’t that more than a little dangerous?

    • Agree: German_reader, Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Ron Unz


    I assume you’re talking about having American and NATO planes shoot down any Russian planes flying combat missions in Ukraine.
     
    Not only that, it would probably also mean having to bomb anti-air sites and other ground installations within Russia (and maybe Belarus), given the reach of Russia's S-300 and S-400.
    , @utu
    @Ron Unz

    NATO planes in Ukraine would have the same legitimacy as Russian planes in Syria: An invitation by a legitimate government of a sovereign state. A deconflicting protocol would be eventually arrived at just like Russia negotiated it with Israel which resulted in that Russia never fired at Israeli fighters breaching Syrian airspace and never allowed Syrians do it with newly gifted S-300 or S-400 systems.

    All those who emphasize the risk and danger of the no-fly zone forget that the only reason for the asymmetry are Russian threats of using nuclear weapons according to their doctrine (never tried) of deescalation (of conventional conflict) via nuclear escalation. I think we should call them on it. They won'y have guts to do it even if Putin claims that he would go to heaven while we would just croak. Russians will not use nuclear weapons and you probably should agree to be consistent with your assessment of Putin being rational and good.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @mal

  • @Dmitry
    @Blinky Bill

    According to Wikipedia, there are now Chengdu J-20 This is the most modern project, which is described as "world's third operational fifth-generation ". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20

    Its engine which allows its designated performance is not introduced yet. So, no planes with the modern engine yet though.

    Other planes in this will surely be unlikely comparable to Taiwan's new F-16V planes. A lot of Soviet originated planes still and some attempts for modernizing of them.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Air_Force#Current_inventory

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill

    Soviet originated planes

    Sukhoi Su-35S vs F-16V

    Never bring a knife to a gunfight

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  • @Dmitry
    @Blinky Bill

    According to Wikipedia, there are now Chengdu J-20 This is the most modern project, which is described as "world's third operational fifth-generation ". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20

    Its engine which allows its designated performance is not introduced yet. So, no planes with the modern engine yet though.

    Other planes in this will surely be unlikely comparable to Taiwan's new F-16V planes. A lot of Soviet originated planes still and some attempts for modernizing of them.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Air_Force#Current_inventory

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill

    According to Wikipedia, there are now Chengdu J-20

    Wikipedia claims there are 150 J-20, unfortunately there is only photographic evidence for 110 give or take.

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    Image showing a Chinese flight testing the long-awaited WS-15 engine have been released, following multiple indications that the new engine is set to enter service. The WS-15 was previously tested on a number of larger non-combat airframes, and its integration onto a fighter indicates it has reached it’s final stage of development.

    So, we can count new engine’s nozzle petals, looks like max 13. Different to WS-10B TVC which has 15.

  • @Blinky Bill
    @Dmitry


    Taiwan would even have air superiority during the amphibious attack, as they have a very large airforce, with more advanced planes than China, including the F-16s.
     
    Total number of J-20s flown (including 201X/2X/3X prototypes) probably broke the three digit mark sometime in late 2021.

    700 new modern fighters in last decade (still growing), very mature BVR, widespread AESA use...


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJVKTy4aMAE1YWY.jpg



    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNC3dnkakAUGWwp.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNTe-usXEAA9UiO.jpg

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill

    The balance of air power across the Taiwan Strait 10 years ago was at approximate parity. Twenty years ago, the balance of air power could have been said to favor the ROCAF. However as of 2020, the overall quality and quantity of tactical fighter aircraft, force multipliers, jamming aircraft, weapons, and subsystems is one which favors the the PLAAF, even assuming the PLA only fields one-third of its tactical fighter fleet.

    In the event of a conflict, the quantitative balance of power will likely further worsen for the ROCAF as the much greater weight of initial PLA missile strikes will likely degrade ROCAF sortie rates and continue to degrade ROCAF sortie rates as airbases and temporary airfields suffer re-attack during the air war.

    The PLA’s quantitative fighter advantage will almost certainly be further compounded by the much larger advantage in AEW&C aircraft, standoff EW/ECM aircraft, and ELINT aircraft, where the PLA not only enjoys a significant advantage in airframe numbers but also overall system capability, size, and endurance.

  • @Dmitry
    @Twinkie

    No, you cannot destroy military base thousands of kilometres away, with conventional missiles.

    Ballistic missiles with that range would have most of their weight being fuel, so warheads themselves would be comparatively weak, relative to the missile size.

    Cruise missiles with that range, the same issue, and they are very slow and can be easily intercepted from such ranges.

    US or Japan would also have air-superiority as well, so China cannot use much aviation against them.

    These bases are designed to repair damaged runways almost immediately. They have been installed with modern radar systems, air-defense systems, etc.


    would be sheer insanity on the part of the PRC.
     
    If China has entered war with USA or Japan, then China would lose an opportunity for air-superiority with Taiwan. (But probably this opportunity does not exist anyway, as Taiwan has a large airforce).

    Compared to China, US and Japanese airforces have more advanced aircraft, higher levels of technology, etc.


    e best hope for the PRC in any kind of attempt to take over Taiwan is a highly limited military campaign
     
    Some kind of internal coup.

    But to invade Taiwan in conventional way, would require more than a millions soldiers, to be transported by boat.

    Taiwan's Western beaches are next to mountains, where Taiwan has artillery. So China would be invading beaches, where Taiwan's army would be firing above them from the mountains.

    All China's logistics and ammunition transported by boat, so they would have less firepower available than Taiwan from the landpower view.

    Amphibious invasion is also almost considered geographically almost impossible in Taiwan strait, with strong current, changing depth of coast, little space for ships to land soldiers.

    Considering this, academics are writing that conversation of invasion seems to be a kind of unrealistic threat.


    American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and now the Russian campaign in Ukraine have demonstrated
     
    There is no comparison. Ukraine is a third world country with indefensible flatland, next to Russia.

    It should have been one of the easiest invasions, from logistical and geographical point of view.

    Taiwan is a fortified island, separate from China, with a first world economy.

    Taiwan would even have air superiority during the amphibious attack, as they have a very large airforce, with more advanced planes than China, including the F-16s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_Air_Force#Current_inventory

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @nebulafox

    Taiwan would even have air superiority during the amphibious attack, as they have a very large airforce, with more advanced planes than China, including the F-16s.

    Total number of J-20s flown (including 201X/2X/3X prototypes) probably broke the three digit mark sometime in late 2021.

    700 new modern fighters in last decade (still growing), very mature BVR, widespread AESA use…

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Blinky Bill

    According to Wikipedia, there are now Chengdu J-20 This is the most modern project, which is described as "world's third operational fifth-generation ". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20

    Its engine which allows its designated performance is not introduced yet. So, no planes with the modern engine yet though.

    Other planes in this will surely be unlikely comparable to Taiwan's new F-16V planes. A lot of Soviet originated planes still and some attempts for modernizing of them.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_Air_Force#Current_inventory

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill

    , @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill

    The balance of air power across the Taiwan Strait 10 years ago was at approximate parity. Twenty years ago, the balance of air power could have been said to favor the ROCAF. However as of 2020, the overall quality and quantity of tactical fighter aircraft, force multipliers, jamming aircraft, weapons, and subsystems is one which favors the the PLAAF, even assuming the PLA only fields one-third of its tactical fighter fleet.

    In the event of a conflict, the quantitative balance of power will likely further worsen for the ROCAF as the much greater weight of initial PLA missile strikes will likely degrade ROCAF sortie rates and continue to degrade ROCAF sortie rates as airbases and temporary airfields suffer re-attack during the air war.

    The PLA’s quantitative fighter advantage will almost certainly be further compounded by the much larger advantage in AEW&C aircraft, standoff EW/ECM aircraft, and ELINT aircraft, where the PLA not only enjoys a significant advantage in airframe numbers but also overall system capability, size, and endurance.

  • @Twinkie
    @Dmitry

    Destroy or no, firing on US bases in Guam and Japan would be sheer insanity on the part of the PRC.

    In my view, the best hope for the PRC in any kind of attempt to take over Taiwan is a highly limited military campaign that results in a swift decapitation and occupation. If PRC starts IJN-like with surprise attacks on US military bases around the Pacific, the former is going to get a lot more than it bargained for, even if it can swiftly defeat and occupy Taiwan. It would an American war-party's wet dream.

    Contrary to Karlin's take, I think that Russia's failure to defeat and occupy Ukraine quickly lowered the chance of a prospective Chinese attempt on Taiwan in the near future, rather than raise it.

    What the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and now the Russian campaign in Ukraine have demonstrated is that it is a quite the tightrope act these days for a great power to engage in a military campaign of invasion and total control of large territories, all without incurring large casualties or inflaming the locals with significant collateral damage. They certainly strengthen the argument that post-modern military operations should be limited in scope and short in duration.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @utu, @Dmitry

    No, you cannot destroy military base thousands of kilometres away, with conventional missiles.

    Ballistic missiles with that range would have most of their weight being fuel, so warheads themselves would be comparatively weak, relative to the missile size.

    Cruise missiles with that range, the same issue, and they are very slow and can be easily intercepted from such ranges.

    US or Japan would also have air-superiority as well, so China cannot use much aviation against them.

    These bases are designed to repair damaged runways almost immediately. They have been installed with modern radar systems, air-defense systems, etc.

    would be sheer insanity on the part of the PRC.

    If China has entered war with USA or Japan, then China would lose an opportunity for air-superiority with Taiwan. (But probably this opportunity does not exist anyway, as Taiwan has a large airforce).

    Compared to China, US and Japanese airforces have more advanced aircraft, higher levels of technology, etc.

    e best hope for the PRC in any kind of attempt to take over Taiwan is a highly limited military campaign

    Some kind of internal coup.

    But to invade Taiwan in conventional way, would require more than a millions soldiers, to be transported by boat.

    Taiwan’s Western beaches are next to mountains, where Taiwan has artillery. So China would be invading beaches, where Taiwan’s army would be firing above them from the mountains.

    All China’s logistics and ammunition transported by boat, so they would have less firepower available than Taiwan from the landpower view.

    Amphibious invasion is also almost considered geographically almost impossible in Taiwan strait, with strong current, changing depth of coast, little space for ships to land soldiers.

    Considering this, academics are writing that conversation of invasion seems to be a kind of unrealistic threat.

    American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and now the Russian campaign in Ukraine have demonstrated

    There is no comparison. Ukraine is a third world country with indefensible flatland, next to Russia.

    It should have been one of the easiest invasions, from logistical and geographical point of view.

    Taiwan is a fortified island, separate from China, with a first world economy.

    Taiwan would even have air superiority during the amphibious attack, as they have a very large airforce, with more advanced planes than China, including the F-16s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_Air_Force#Current_inventory

    • Agree: utu
    • LOL: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Dmitry


    Taiwan would even have air superiority during the amphibious attack, as they have a very large airforce, with more advanced planes than China, including the F-16s.
     
    Total number of J-20s flown (including 201X/2X/3X prototypes) probably broke the three digit mark sometime in late 2021.

    700 new modern fighters in last decade (still growing), very mature BVR, widespread AESA use...


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJVKTy4aMAE1YWY.jpg



    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNC3dnkakAUGWwp.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNTe-usXEAA9UiO.jpg

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill

    , @nebulafox
    @Dmitry

    The real threat to Taiwan's long-term security isn't military, but political.

    Internally, the ending of conscription is just the tip of the iceberg. For reasons rooted both in Taiwan's Cold War history relevant to the current generation in charge, and Taiwan's contemporary fractious politics, civilian-military relations are poor to the point that many Taiwanese politicians just ignore their own military chiefs. The result is a complete lack of coherence in strategy. For this and other reasons-problems with funding, mismanagement of conscription, logistics failures-there's a severe morale issue for the Taiwanese populace right now, civilians and soldiers alike. These problems are not unknown in Taiwan, but they are politically difficult to address and implement.

    (It should go without saying that the CCP, which stakes its entire legitimacy on claims of Chinese nationhood that *demand* Taiwan eventually, one way or another, be "united" with the motherland does not struggle with a lack of political-military cohesion or funding. As for the civilians at home: yes, an amphibious invasion is going to be difficult, but provided that they don't set off a broader conflict they can't win, the PRC isn't going to struggle with support for the war. Even with-or maybe even because-of the casualties incurred. This is not simply due to repression, contra what the State Department or CNN would like to imagine. The only thing that'll deter the PRC is the threat of a wider war. The prospect of simply taking a lot of casualties isn't going to do it. And Beijing knows that the "economic integration" road is no longer feasible: certainly not after what happened in Hong Kong, but even before then, it was losing its feasibility.)

    Zelensky was able to grab the attention of the world before Putin could give him a fait accompli and the world could take the time to care enough. That would have been impossible had his population not rallied to an extent that surprised external observers. It's difficult to see something similar happening in Taiwan right now, even if the island is far better positioned for a defensive war.

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Commentator Mike

    Well they want to fight, why not let them, they will not be as gentle as Russians (they will likely just shoot civilians throwing Molotov cocktails at their vehicles instead of exercising Christ-like restraint) but that is on the Ukrainians for their irrational fanaticism.

    Certainly all kinds of far more dubious characters are fighting on Ukraine's side, and for that matter historical personages such as, say, Franco were not above using Moroccans in their conflicts.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

  • @Aedib
    @Commentator Mike

    Here some videos from the crazy Chinese guy.

    https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1502175213563219969

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

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  • 2021 Nominal GDP Rankings

    US $22.9975 T
    China $17.7233 T
    EU $17.0919 T

    United States $22.9975 T $USD
    China ¥114.3670 T $CNY
    European Union €14.4479 T $EUR

    $USDCNY = 6.453
    $EURUSD = 1.183

  • @Blinky Bill
    @Anatoly Karlin

    19.6K Followers

    Do you think the ban hammer will soon fall?

    ASBMilitary was eliminated at 200K Followers.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Poor Glenn Greenwald was the toast of the town eight years ago and now he has to censor himself on twitter. I don’t know why anybody uses it. The only necessary use of it I has ever seen is when Mike Florio and Ian Rapaport and Schafter and those jackals were trying to scoop each other on who had the news about the Russell Wilson trade or whatever. *

    By necessary here I mean there isn’t an easy work-around. There’s actually like ten people on the planet I can see who need twitter.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    Shock and disbelief.

    That is again all I have to say today.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @sudden death, @Barbarossa, @Commentator Mike

    19.6K Followers

    Do you think the ban hammer will soon fall?

    ASBMilitary was eliminated at 200K Followers.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Blinky Bill

    Poor Glenn Greenwald was the toast of the town eight years ago and now he has to censor himself on twitter. I don't know why anybody uses it. The only necessary use of it I has ever seen is when Mike Florio and Ian Rapaport and Schafter and those jackals were trying to scoop each other on who had the news about the Russell Wilson trade or whatever. *

    By necessary here I mean there isn't an easy work-around. There's actually like ten people on the planet I can see who need twitter.

  • From the Washington Post Style section: Nah, my recollection is the opposite. Until the 1980s, when there were a series of surprise anti-Communist movie hits appealing to the male audience, American culture tended to go out of its way to avoid portraying the Soviets as irredeemably diabolical. “By having an enemy that was all bad,...
  • @silviosilver
    Reds (1981) was a big hit, which had obvious pro-commie sympathies.

    Above the level of pop culture, Cold War America tended to be highly respectful of Russian higher culture
     
    Not American, but I always felt the Dschinghis Khan song "Moscow" was lightheartedly mocking Russian culture. (Especially the dancing in the video clip.)

    I remember as a kid some comedy tv show's skit in Australia just prior to the collapse of communism, which did a Soviet "The Price Is Right" parody, with the announcer saying "It's a new....cow!" (Ie Russians are poor.)

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @Blinky Bill, @Almost Missouri, @Currahee

  • Like it or not, but shock and disbelief is inevitable.
  • @silviosilver
    @sher singh


    In the end, the Sword rules.
     
    Sam Colt rules.

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    @Blinky Bill

    The best sword fetishism humiliation ever produced in 16 seconds, lol :)

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  • From the Washington Post Style section: Nah, my recollection is the opposite. Until the 1980s, when there were a series of surprise anti-Communist movie hits appealing to the male audience, American culture tended to go out of its way to avoid portraying the Soviets as irredeemably diabolical. “By having an enemy that was all bad,...
  • Russia, 1991-2014
    *tried every possible diplomatic option but kept being rejected by the West*

    Western pundits, 2022:
    “Why didn’t Russia try diplomatic options before taking such an extreme step?”

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Blinky Bill

    Good, but two fresh memes are as good:
    https://postimg.cc/dkr7pzv5
    https://postimg.cc/QKB89zxp

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    , @Jack D
    @Blinky Bill

    This was a war of (Putin's) choice. There was no compelling reason why he needed to invade Ukraine. Everything was going just fine. No one was planning to invade Moscow.

    Isn't it funny that diplomacy works for every other country EXCEPT Russia. "Why are the other kids always picking on me?", the bully asks. "It's their fault that I had to punch them in the nose."

    Putin today has threatened to nationalize all of the companies that have pulled out of the Russian market. Putin views the world of his youth as the ideal time (as many people do) and he is consciously and subconsciously trying to reconstruct the USSR of that era, complete with a grim state owned economy cut off from the world trade system. Soon a pair of Amerikansky blue dzins in Russia will be a prized commodity again. Samizdat literature will make a comeback. Everything old will be new again.

    My mother in law once took a Soviet domestic flight during the Communist era, probably a Tu-104. She was going from visiting cousins in Kiev (as it was known in those days) to Moscow. There were no overhead bins, just open racks like on a train (must have been fun during turbulence). The pilots were all ex-military and when the plane got to the end of the runway he pulled the plane into an uncomfortably steep climb. The Soviet jet engines were incredibly noise (the turboprops were deafening). At one point during the flight, a mechanic in coveralls (in Soviet terms an "engineer")came rushing down the aisle with a screwdriver in hand, which was rather alarming. Later the stewardeskas came down the aisle with a tray full of chicken and plopped a piece onto everyone's plate. In those days you still got a real meal service on American planes but I guess today a piece of free chicken would be an improvement.

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    , @Great White
    @Blinky Bill

    Precisely..!!

    , @HA
    @Blinky Bill

    "*tried every possible diplomatic option but kept being rejected by the West*"

    If your "diplomatic option" is so pathetically lame that a basket of Victoria Nuland's pastries is enough to send the Ukrainians running towards the West, you got some pretty awful diplomacy. You want to blame someone? Look WITHIN.

    I mean, not everyone is convinced by "diplomatic options" like these:

    https://images.newscientist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/dn17570-2_300.jpg

    (Admittedly, it was never made clear who dosed Ukraine's President with dioxin, but if everyone assumes it was the KGB/FSB, or their holdovers , and subsequent polonium and poison-umbrella incidents only confirm the suspicion, well, there's your "diplomacy" problem right there. Trying to get away from that doesn't seem like an unreasonable course of action.)

    Replies: @anon, @Hunsdon

  • Hate hoaxer Jussie Smollett finally got sentenced today: 150 days in jail and low 6 figures in fine and restitution for the wasted police investigation. Jussie denied everything to the end and his grandmother, who explained that she could remember Joe McCarthy, darkly implied that the biased press had not uncovered the True Story. Jussie,...
  • his grandmother, who explained that she could remember Joe McCarthy, darkly implied that the biased press had not uncovered the True Story.

  • When several NATO nations revealed that they had dozens of Russian-made MiG-29s, the idea arose to fly them to Ukraine and turn them over to Ukrainian pilots familiar with the MiGs. America would provide F-16s to replace the MiGs. Poland had an even better idea. Warsaw would fly its 27 MiG fighter jets to the...
  • we Americans did not go to war with Germany for Great Britain,

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @Blinky Bill

    Senility is definitely setting in. Drooler Pat can't remember Rosenfeld having the US Navy reporting German shipping locations to the Royal Navy so they could sink them, or having the US Navy attack German shipping - both contrary to the Neutrality Act. While Germany may have declared war on the US, the US had actually been at war with Germany almost 2 years.
    US involvement in this war is just one more in a long list of cash cows for the armament industries.

    Replies: @Old Brown Fool

  • Like it or not, but shock and disbelief is inevitable.
  • @AP
    @Twinkie

    Thank you. You are by far the most knowledgeable military expert writing around here (perhaps the only military expert), your comment is much appreciated.


    even if Russia were to win (which is not in any way guaranteed), what will a Russian occupation look like? Israeli military theorist Martin van Creveld once wrote that, in a post-modern world, when the strong fights the weak in a long war, the strong loses. Having failed to topple Ukraine in a lightning attack, Russia will have to use much more destructive means to achieve victory, which will only embitter the population it was supposed to “liberate,” even setting aside the enormous international opprobrium. Although hardly assured one way or another, the prospect of a Russian victory being Pyrrhic and the conquest of Ukraine being a poisoned pill cannot be dismissed easily.
     
    I have one very strongly Russian nationalist family branch in Ukraine (children of an uncle who lived in Russia and returned to Ukraine with a Russian wife). The usual stuff - “Ukrainians and Russians are one people”, staunch members of the Russian Orthodox Church, had opposed Maidan, etc. They are now messaging me about if I’ve heard if America will close the skies so that the murderous Russians will stop killing our people.

    I came across a very true comment - Putin managed to do what Ukrainian nationalists had failed to do in 30 years - convince even Eastern Ukrainians that Bandera was correct about the Russians.

    Replies: @sudden death, @utu, @Anatoly Karlin, @Pharmakon, @Twinkie

    Thanks for the kind words, but I am pretty sure there are some commenters (and definitely readers) who are quite knowledgeable in military affairs.

    I came across a very true comment – Putin managed to do what Ukrainian nationalists had failed to do in 30 years – convince even Eastern Ukrainians that Bandera was correct about the Russians.

    As I mentioned in another comment, employing military forces in these post-modern days, especially for larger powers, is quite a balancing act that requires a high degree of competence in force projection/operations all the while managing casualty levels and collateral damage and avoiding horrendous headlines, which are almost inevitable and enormously difficult to avoid/cover-up.

    I have a few follow-up thoughts:

    1. Those who seem excited about further shipments of ATGMs and MANPADs to Ukraine, I think you should temper your expectations. Employing ATGMs in open terrain is to invite a quick death, and they are far more potent if used in relatively close ranges (not even close to the listed maximum ranges) against vehicle columns that enter chokepoints without effective infantry screens. I suspect the Russian military learned its lessons and won’t be giving away easy wins to the Ukrainians employing ATGMs in the future.

    2. Similarly, MANPADs become very effective when aircraft are forced to fly low and slow (that’s why transport helicopters are the most perfect targets for MANPADs). Indeed, if the defenders still have a functioning integrated air defense system that can intercept aircraft that fly fast and high, MANPADs can be quite effective. In absence of that, however, the utility of MANPADs declines significantly.

    3. One of the biggest differences for the U.S. forces in Desert Storm and OIF was that, in the first war, we had uncontested control of the highways behind the frontlines once the Iraqi military units either retreated or were destroyed whereas, in the second war, the Iraqi troops did not confront our mechanized thrusts, but dispersed and contested the control of the highways by attacking soft targets such as re-supply trucks. Later, of course, various militias and terrorist groups rose up and likewise made traveling along the transportation arteries hazardous. I wonder to what extent this pattern will replicate in Ukraine. It’s one thing to rally around their president while he is alive and functioning and still commands some semblance of a conventional force, but how likely is it that there is for Ukrainians a a) a plan B for widespread guerilla action and b) spontaneous rise of militias that attack the Russian forces?

    4. I am watching with great interest in how the Russians intend to enter and control the cities. Urban fighting is very different from fighting on natural terrains. It is much more three-dimensional, the environment is far more chaotic and dirty (once a city is even partly damaged and maintenance/sanitation systems collapse, it becomes incredibly filthy very quickly), and there is substantially higher, almost unavoidable, likelihood of collateral damage and civilian suffering.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill, Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Twinkie

    Europeans once surrendered tend to behave. The idea of an Arab style insurgency while tantalising is about as tantalising as the Werewolf idea post Reich. It may remain out of reach.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Difference Maker
    @Twinkie

    Indeed, the failed blitzkrieg means that the Ukrainians can entrench in the cities. Bomb them, starve them, or Stalingrad them; it won't look pretty for the Russians

    , @Commentator Mike
    @Twinkie

    Russia really has several options. It looks like LDNR will be fully liberated and the huge UkroNazi units in the cauldrons in the south completely destroyed. Russia could probably also liberate Odessa and the entire Black Sea coast of Ukraine all the way to Transnistria. All the other actions in and around Kharkov and Kiev make sense so as to keep the Ukrainian armed forces occupied and prevent any reinforcement of their units in the south which are facing certain annihilation, even at the cost of some Russian and civilian losses. Once the south has been secured and the UkroNazis in that region destroyed, Russia can decide what to do next: perhaps fight some more to liberate some more territory from the UkroNazis, go for an all out liberation of Kharkov, Kiev and other regions of eastern Ukraine at some greater cost to its own forces, total occupation of Ukraine including Lvov and Galicia at yet greater cost to its forces, or just pull back from Kiev as it did from Tbilisi in Georgia in 2008 but keeping the southern region and cutting off Ukraine's access to the sea. Also it could combine negotiations for this withdrawal from Kiev with some significant concessions and guarantees from the Ukraine regime. It really has so many options and at a minimum it would have achieved its goal of liberating LDNR and securing its population from Ukrainian threats. Anything else would just be a bonus. How anyone can possibly talk about Russia's defeat in Ukraine is preposterous. It's a win all the way, any which way.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    Those who seem excited about further shipments of ATGMs and MANPADs to Ukraine, I think you should temper your expectations. Employing ATGMs in open terrain is to invite a quick death, and they are far more potent if used in relatively close ranges (not even close to the listed maximum ranges) against vehicle columns that enter chokepoints without effective infantry screens. I suspect the Russian military learned its lessons and won’t be giving away easy wins to the Ukrainians employing ATGMs in the future.
     
    The way the Ukrainians are fighting seems to be comparable to the Chadian role in the Toyota War:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_War

    The comparison is to the Iraqi military's decision to mostly avoid contesting the US military's entry into the country. Its decision to mount an insurgency was wise, given the US tendency to avoid taking the traditional and brutal, but effective, measures to crush insurgencies via large scale exile (e.g. Siberia) or massacre. Whereas the Russians are certainly not averse to such measures, killing hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians during an earlier insurgency just after WWII.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#End_of_UPA_resistance

    Bottom line is that it's unclear a Ukrainian insurgency could survive Russian atrocities, which is why its conventional force may need to win outright.

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  • @Mike_from_Russia
    "Friends get to know each other in trouble, ha ha ha..."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnMXh4GynP8

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

  • @Ron Unz

    It’s a damn shame that Rand Paul didn’t have the data so he could ask Fauci about this when he had him there under oath. I imagine we might maybe never see Fauci ever again.
     
    Actually, I've seen ZERO evidence that Fauci had anything to do with the development of Covid let alone the Ukrainian biolabs. Lots of people are (very rightfully) angry at him for all sorts of other reasons, so he's an ideal foil for them to attack, much like that Klaus Schwab fellow of the World Economic Forum.

    Incidentally, I think that Victoria Nuland's disastrous mistake in admitting the existence of those Ukrainian biolabs greatly strengthens the case I've been making that the global Covid outbreak was the result of an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), as I just pointed out in a short column:

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/ukraine-and-biowarfare-conspiracy-theories/

    Over the last two years, I've accumulated a massive amount of evidence in favor of my hypothesis and the only argument anyone has ever been able to make on the other side is that even rogue elements of the Trump Administration couldn't possibly have done something so extremely reckless and foolish.

    Well, the fact that they apparently set up deadly biowarfare labs right on Russia's border also seems pretty reckless and foolish...

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    @Blinky Bill

    Yeah, pretty much that.

  • @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNdds9BacAEurOU.jpg


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    Trump’s favorite Taiwan comparison was to point to the tip of one of his Sharpie’s and say, ‘This is Taiwan,’ then point to Resolute [his desk in the Oval Office] and say, ‘This is China’.

  • @Blinky Bill
    @Twinkie


    quite the tightrope act these days for a great power to engage in a military campaign of invasion and total control of

    large territories
     

     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNbS_wxWYAErzIf.jpg



    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT678e-5oRVNQqGw7du2auzdTsJEpqgtu4Jog&usqp.jpg

    https://i.redd.it/cnifhz9tvku21.png

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    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT678e-5oRVNQqGw7du2auzdTsJEpqgtu4Jog&usqp.jpg

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    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill

    Trump's favorite Taiwan comparison was to point to the tip of one of his Sharpie's and say, 'This is Taiwan,' then point to Resolute [his desk in the Oval Office] and say, 'This is China'.

  • @Twinkie
    @Dmitry

    Destroy or no, firing on US bases in Guam and Japan would be sheer insanity on the part of the PRC.

    In my view, the best hope for the PRC in any kind of attempt to take over Taiwan is a highly limited military campaign that results in a swift decapitation and occupation. If PRC starts IJN-like with surprise attacks on US military bases around the Pacific, the former is going to get a lot more than it bargained for, even if it can swiftly defeat and occupy Taiwan. It would an American war-party's wet dream.

    Contrary to Karlin's take, I think that Russia's failure to defeat and occupy Ukraine quickly lowered the chance of a prospective Chinese attempt on Taiwan in the near future, rather than raise it.

    What the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and now the Russian campaign in Ukraine have demonstrated is that it is a quite the tightrope act these days for a great power to engage in a military campaign of invasion and total control of large territories, all without incurring large casualties or inflaming the locals with significant collateral damage. They certainly strengthen the argument that post-modern military operations should be limited in scope and short in duration.

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    quite the tightrope act these days for a great power to engage in a military campaign of invasion and total control of

    large territories

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    @Blinky Bill


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNdds9BacAEurOU.jpg


    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBZjzn4BQ4BNsT-sjGh8f0vm1mEFen1-1kXw&usqp.jpg


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  • An interesting perspective: For the first four decades of Putin's life, Ukrainian athletes competed on Soviet Union national teams. But most of the young men fighting for Ukraine can't remember a time when Ukraine didn't have its own Olympic and World Cup teams. (It's perhaps a coincidence, but three of the major events of 21st...
  • @John Derbyshire
    @James N. Kennett

    https://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/NationalQuestion/occupation.html

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    • Thanks: Voltarde, George
  • Like it or not, but shock and disbelief is inevitable.
  • @Blinky Bill
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRvD4r9j0U2arGjZzeB4_mqPsdyjRfbOXRXOg&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

  • When I first heard the Russian claims a few days ago that America had been funding biowarfare labs in Ukraine, I was pretty skeptical. It seemed like typical “black propaganda” produced in wartime and forged documents in a foreign language aren’t easy to check.

    But as some of you have probably heard, Victoria Nuland seems to have admitted it’s all true in her Congressional testimony. Glenn Greenwald had an excellent column this morning and Tucker Carlson just did a great segment:

    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victoria-nuland-ukraine-has-biological

    Video Link

    I’d say it was an extremely reckless and foolish thing for the American government to have funded the creation of bioweapons facilities controlled by an extremely hostile country bordering Russia.

    And it seems to me that countries which do some extremely reckless and foolish things are much more likely to have done other extremely reckless and foolish things in the past, perhaps including things that resulted in the deaths of around a million Americans over the last couple of years:

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/

    • Thanks: LondonBob
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Ron Unz

    It's a damn shame that Rand Paul didn't have the data so he could ask Fauci about this when he had him there under oath. I imagine we might maybe never see Fauci ever again.

  • @silviosilver
    @songbird

    Karate Kid could well be my favorite ever movie. I've lost count of how times I've seen it. The bottles on the truck scene, I only noticed the gratuitous anti-racism message aspect of it as an adult. Also, virtually all the bad guys are a blond.

    But that's small potatoes compared to the crap Hollywood pulls in other movies. My main complaint about Karate Kid is the plot near the beginning. Daniel's cool and fun, the sort of guy who'd make friends easily. Indeed, he gets invited to a beach party right away. And when he's there he takes part in the soccer game (apparently doing well), he not only accepts the challenge to approach the babe but wins her over, and then he stands up for her when her ex is giving her a hard time.

    So he loses a fight with Mr Karate Champ, big deal. At least he was man enough to fight (not only threw a punch, but connected). No shame in that. Yet somehow, everyone there immediately starts treating him as some massive loser whom it'd be insulting to be to associated with. That doesn't even begin to make sense, not even by high school logic.

    I never watched the remake with the black kid. But I watched five or six episodes into the Kobra Kai tv series, which was better than I expected it to be. I should actually finish watching that.

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    Karate Kid could well be my favorite ever movie. I’ve lost count of how times I’ve seen it.

    For many people of color, nothing is more special than seeing someone on a TV show or in a movie that looks like them. For children, this representation in films is vital because it gives them hope.

  • AP says:
    @silviosilver
    @AP

    Re utu's ethnicity, from the other open thread.

    Ok, I see where you're coming from, but I think I'd need better evidence than that to feel so confident, given the enormous disparity in base rates (there are way more Poles and Czechs than Silesians).

    Replies: @AP

    He knows enough about Poles, Czechs and Slovaks (not just historical facts, but he captures their spirit) that he must be a Slav from this region.; and he seems less critical of Poles than of the others. He also shows a sympathy for Germans that is rare among members of all three nations. So he must be a Silesian (the only pro-German Slavic group in that area), or if not that – a southern Pole with a German grandparent.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AP

    Your reasoning is sound enough, but assigning a 90% subjective probability to it? You're a braver man than I.

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Henry Higgins

  • @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill

    February 8, 1861, to May 9, 1865 compared with December 1, 1991, to ????, 2022.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    Throughout the South, fences were down, weeds had overrun the fields, windows were broken, live stock had disappeared. The assessed valuation of property declined from 30 to 60 percent in the decade after 1860. In Mobile, business was stagnant; Chattanooga and Nashville were ruined; and Atlanta’s industrial sections were in ashes.

    One of the greatest calamities which confronted Southerners was the havoc wrought on the transportation system. Roads were impassable or nonexistent, and bridges were destroyed or washed away. The important river traffic was at a standstill: levees were broken, channels were blocked, the few steamboats which had not been captured or destroyed were in a state of disrepair, wharves had decayed or were missing, and trained personnel were dead or dispersed. Horses, mules, oxen, carriages, wagons, and carts had nearly all fallen prey at one time or another to the contending armies. The railroads were paralyzed, with most of the companies bankrupt. These lines had been the special target of the enemy. On one stretch of 114 miles in Alabama, every bridge and trestle was destroyed, cross-ties rotten, buildings burned, water-tanks gone, ditches filled up, and tracks grown up in weeds and bushes. … Communication centers like Columbia and Atlanta were in ruins; shops and foundries were wrecked or in disrepair. Even those areas bypassed by battle had been pirated for equipment needed on the battlefront, and the wear and tear of wartime usage without adequate repairs or replacements reduced all to a state of disintegration.

    A reaction to the defeat and changes in society began immediately, with vigilante groups such as the Ku Klux Klan arising in 1866 as the first line of insurgents. They attacked and killed both Yankees and their black allies. By the 1870s, more organized paramilitary groups, such as the White League and Red Shirts were established.

  • @Blinky Bill
    @Twinkie

    https://youtu.be/1YWGuwtsskU

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSftft2sKS6IQCxFQKzks5e9_PxeIFbMxbQWQ&usqp.jpg

    https://youtu.be/z0mNYcSqQns

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    February 8, 1861, to May 9, 1865 compared with December 1, 1991, to ????, 2022.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Lincoln_and_Johnsond.jpg/822px-Lincoln_and_Johnsond.jpg


    Throughout the South, fences were down, weeds had overrun the fields, windows were broken, live stock had disappeared. The assessed valuation of property declined from 30 to 60 percent in the decade after 1860. In Mobile, business was stagnant; Chattanooga and Nashville were ruined; and Atlanta's industrial sections were in ashes.
     


    One of the greatest calamities which confronted Southerners was the havoc wrought on the transportation system. Roads were impassable or nonexistent, and bridges were destroyed or washed away. The important river traffic was at a standstill: levees were broken, channels were blocked, the few steamboats which had not been captured or destroyed were in a state of disrepair, wharves had decayed or were missing, and trained personnel were dead or dispersed. Horses, mules, oxen, carriages, wagons, and carts had nearly all fallen prey at one time or another to the contending armies. The railroads were paralyzed, with most of the companies bankrupt. These lines had been the special target of the enemy. On one stretch of 114 miles in Alabama, every bridge and trestle was destroyed, cross-ties rotten, buildings burned, water-tanks gone, ditches filled up, and tracks grown up in weeds and bushes. ... Communication centers like Columbia and Atlanta were in ruins; shops and foundries were wrecked or in disrepair. Even those areas bypassed by battle had been pirated for equipment needed on the battlefront, and the wear and tear of wartime usage without adequate repairs or replacements reduced all to a state of disintegration.
     

    A reaction to the defeat and changes in society began immediately, with vigilante groups such as the Ku Klux Klan arising in 1866 as the first line of insurgents. They attacked and killed both Yankees and their black allies. By the 1870s, more organized paramilitary groups, such as the White League and Red Shirts were established.
     
  • @Twinkie
    @AP


    What do you guess the likely outcome will be?
     
    I don't do predictions, because only fools, crazies, or people selling something offer up predictions. The fact is no one can predict the future (one might get lucky once or twice), and everyone is just guessing. Some guesses are more educated than others, but they are still speculations.

    That goes double for any kind of combat, where there are opposing wills. Recently another commenter asked for my opinion of what would happen in a particular MMA fight, and I answered similarly. There are just too many unpredictable variables in war, as in a person-to-person fight. In the latter, there is a saying, "So-and-so is totally going to win this fight... unless he slips on a banana peel or something." Well, the world is full of banana peels. So I only offered up what I saw as strengths and weaknesses of each fighter.

    I don't have anything original to add about the current Russo-Ukrainian conflict, but I will just make a few personal comments and observations:

    1. I was surprised that the Russian air force has not achieved a total control of the air and has not provided a completely dominant overwatch and close air support. I read a number of different theories as to why, but the most plausible explanations (at least to me) seem to be that a) Russian air crews are not well-trained, certainly not on par with the best of Western air forces and are not proficient in mounting high-complexity joint air operations with a lot of aircraft and coordinating ground elements and b) the Russians don't appear to have a large stockpile of precision-guided munitions, with which to launch highly precise attacks on the ground. In absence of those, launching night attacks (to avoid MANPADs) with dumb bombs is bound to be inaccurate and ineffective - and much more likely incur collateral damage.

    2. I was also surprised with how easily some Russian armored vehicle columns were ambushed by the Ukrainians in the early part of the war. As a number of observers pointed out, Russian ground forces - here and there - seemed not to operate well as combined arms teams, with armor, infantry, and artillery mutually supporting and covering for each other in advances. That's something one expects of poorly-trained and -motivated conscripts. Given the increasing professionalization of the Russian army in the past decade, I expected a much greater facility in combined arms operations especially at the small scale, tactical level.

    3. As well, I found the Ukrainian resistance to be unexpectedly fierce so far. I generally have a pretty dim view of the training level, morale, and effectiveness of armed forces personnel below the first-tier military nations, so I thought the Ukrainians would crumble rather quickly. I think their unexpectedly better resistance forced a re-evaluation and re-thinking on the part of the Western nations, that likely would have written off the conquest of Ukraine, albeit with a lot of verbal furor, denunciations, and recriminations. I certainly did not expect the former comedian president of Ukraine to be so inspirational to his countrymen.

    4. All this said, I think the conventional war is still Russia's to lose. The fact remains that there is a huge manpower and materiel disparity between the two forces in Russia's favor. I would think a more salient question wouldn't be so much about whether Russia will or will not win, but how much losses and suffering Russia is willing to incur and to inflict in order to achieve the said victory. For that matter, while Ukrainian morale seems to holding up well so far, formal resistance could collapse quickly if the Ukrainian national command authority were to be captured or killed. These are intangibles that cannot be measured or predicted.

    5. Of course, that then begs the question: even if Russia were to win (which is not in any way guaranteed), what will a Russian occupation look like? Israeli military theorist Martin van Creveld once wrote that, in a post-modern world, when the strong fights the weak in a long war, the strong loses. Having failed to topple Ukraine in a lightning attack, Russia will have to use much more destructive means to achieve victory, which will only embitter the population it was supposed to "liberate," even setting aside the enormous international opprobrium. Although hardly assured one way or another, the prospect of a Russian victory being Pyrrhic and the conquest of Ukraine being a poisoned pill cannot be dismissed easily.

    6. Yet another question, which I am not in any way qualified answer, is the issue of domestic consensus in Russia. Putin is an undisputed authoritarian leader, but he is not a God-Emperor. Surely he is to a varying degree sensitive to the Russian "street" opinion and domestic legitimacy. As with the CCP in China, I think Putin derives much of that domestic legitimacy from the fact that his rule has coincided with the re-rise of Russia as a world player, not to forget the rise in living standards. I cannot even begin to predict how and to what extent Russia's economy and standard of living will be affected by this war and how long the current domestic consensus (53% or something close to it supporting the war) would persist in the face of varying scenarios of negative outcomes (one shouldn't forget the effect of the Afghan War on the Soviet Union, which turned out to be far more sensitive to losses of its young men than the supposedly more brittle American domestic morale in Vietnam).

    I guess this is a rather longwinded version of "Things turned out differently than I thought, and I have no clue what's going to happen next." ;)

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @AP

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill

    February 8, 1861, to May 9, 1865 compared with December 1, 1991, to ????, 2022.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

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  • @awry
    @Blinky Bill

    Nigh impossible because of Israel.

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  • • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill

    https://twitter.com/JohnDelury/status/1501874454447943681?s=20&t=BTabJnBQgBu1k58oo_pvjA

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  • @Thulean Friend
    1. The decision by the 'Eastern Flank' countries of NATO to propose sending their MiG-29s to Ramstein airbase is a hilarious troll. The US tried to bully them using their own airfields as training grounds. When the US' own base was proposed, suddenly they got cold feet. As I said: America will fight to the last Eastern European.

    2. Is South Korea a bellweather? It has refused to participate in energy sanctions (import ban) but will institute a tech embargo. I think this will be the model that survives going forward once/when the war settles down. Russian energy/commodities are too important to ban. Question is if Putin will use them as bargaining chips to get access to silicon chips, and wether it will be successful.

    3. https://twitter.com/elinaribakova/status/1501290394067341316

    4. Remember this when you hear about "Russia's global isolation".

    https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1501411215263862784

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Blinky Bill, @LondonBob

    • LOL: Pharmakon
    • Replies: @awry
    @Blinky Bill

    Nigh impossible because of Israel.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Blinky Bill

    I never realized Stoller was a total retard. Twitter is really bad for a lot of people.

  • @Yevardian
    So, is anyone more connected with Russian popular culture (Our unboxing video afficionado?) than I going to comment on this new 'Z' cult that started 'spontaneously' appearing everywhere in the past few days? Naturally, Karlin adopted it immediately.
    I really don't like where this is going, you have Russia that seems to be actually sliding towards some sort of fascism versus the Americans, with all their hubris and LGBTXQKPOP insanity, again, I see no winners.
    After decades of stagnation, this is looking to become the conflict that Chinese historians will look back as ending ~500 years of European (in the broad sense) hegemony once and for all.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin, @Blinky Bill

  • I could imagine the ruler of China looking at the current travails of the ruler of Russia and deciding maybe he won't invade Taiwan quite yet. After all, going on the offensive is hard. Defenders these days have a lot of lightweight smart rockets with which two infantrymen can take out a really expensive piece...
  • @Blinky Bill
    @Thulean Friend

    https://twitter.com/MEMRIReports/status/1461337297811656713?s=20&t=DKw7m8nffn-uu4wDQwu3IA

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    Titled “Traveling to Taiwan on High Speed Rail in 2035”

  • @Thulean Friend
    Both sets of "lessons" can be drawn as they aren't in opposition to each other. Putin reckless/stupid and a potential Taiwanese invasion would be harder than many predict.

    Seems China is taking the prudent path of continually converging with the West for now. At any rate, Taiwanese identity/nationalism is much stronger among the youth than among the Gen X/Boomers.

    Another major difference is that if Ukraine joined NATO then there could be missiles stationed just 500 miles away from Moscow. Taiwan isn't so close to Beijing to pose such a direct threat. There is also much greater force projection capability that NATO can employ in Europe vis-a-vis Russia than the US can do against China over vast oceans, even taking the troops located in the Far East into account.

    So, the threat level that China faces is much smaller.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @AnotherDad, @showmethereal

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill

    Titled “Traveling to Taiwan on High Speed Rail in 2035”


    https://i0.wp.com/asiatimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/A8119411-A993-409C-9F12-EF0468710E8D.jpeg

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  • @Thulean Friend
    @Mikel


    it would be interesting to see how AK explains his failed predictions of a cakewalk, mass surrenders, serious resistance ending in less than a week and the fall of Kiev a few days after the start of hostilities.
     
    1. Rapid revisionism on Twitter.
    2. Pretend what you said previously never happened.
    3. Hope nobody notices.
    4. Get enraged when called out.


    This is the pattern we've already seen.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

  • I could imagine the ruler of China looking at the current travails of the ruler of Russia and deciding maybe he won't invade Taiwan quite yet. After all, going on the offensive is hard. Defenders these days have a lot of lightweight smart rockets with which two infantrymen can take out a really expensive piece...
  • @Ron Unz
    @PhysicistDave


    Chinese have long time horizons. They can see that the American Imperium is in a long-term decline.
     
    I tend to agree. Also, I think the West has inflicted enormous damage to itself by its extreme response, quite possibly much more damage than it has inflicted upon Russia.

    Consider that Russia's overseas foreign reserves have been confiscated without any clear legal basis, and even more outrageously, the property of various wealthy Russians has been seized. Surely, many other countries and wealthy individuals will draw the obvious conclusions.

    One of America's most important remaining assets is its control of the global financial system and dollar as reserve currency. I think this actions, following all the previous sanctions levied against other countries we're angry at, have severely damaged that status. Economist Michael Hudson has made these same points:

    https://www.unz.com/mhudson/the-american-empire-self-destructs/

    People deposit money in a bank because they think they'll be able to withdraw it. Banks that steal money will attract fewer future depositors.

    Also, Russia controls a substantial fraction of all the world's natural resources, so what we're doing is a little like "sanctioning" Saudi Arabia's oil, which would have severe adverse consequences on the American economy. Plus in recent years we've earned the deep hostility of China and Iran as well, and I'd argue that a Russia/China/Iran block might well be stronger than America/NATO/Japan:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-putin-as-hitler/#america-and-the-current-balance-of-power-against-russia

    Replies: @ic1000, @Blinky Bill, @nebulafox, @JimDandy

    I’d argue that a Russia/China/Iran block might well be stronger than America/NATO/Japan:

    Joe Biden emphatically disagrees. He finds the suggestion rather humorous!

    https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1500839485642194944?s=20&t=dzBcBFSU9SB43jheQD_0Tg

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Blinky Bill

    Given Joe Biden's increasing dementia, which has become so obvious over the last few years, it's easy to lose sight of the fact that he was always pretty stupid. He had only one talent and one function at which he was any good: serving as a business agent in the Senate for Financial and Credit Card interests.

  • I could imagine Xi concluding

    The Taiwanese sure don’t look like that!

    Do you know who the Taiwanese equivalent of the Azov Battalion is?

    The Chinese Nationalists

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuomintang

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Blinky Bill

    The KMT gets a bad rep from losing Chinese Civil War (1945-49) despite massive American assistance. But what's rarely mentioned is that CPC also received massive Soviet assistance.

    This how Tsuji Masanobu assessed KMT troops,


    Elected to Diet 1952 "and twice thereafter"; wrote numerous books & articles. In UNDERGROUND ESCAPE, published in 1952, he ranked the fighting qualities of all the armies he had opposed. The Japanese of course were highest, with one Japanese soldier the equivalent of 10 Chinese--the army he rated second, given equivalance in equipment and training. Following in order were 3) Russians, 4) Ghurkas in British service, 5) Americans, 6) Australians, 7) Indians in British service, 8) British, 9) Filipinos, 10) Burmese, 11) Thai, 12) Vietnamese, and 13) French.

     

    The KMT on Taiwan were supported by three military advisory groups to plan for re-attack of Mainland,

    1. American -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Assistance_Advisory_Group

    2. Japanese -- 白団 Paidan "The White Regiment"
    https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/白団

    3. West German -- German Military Advisors in Taiwan
    https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/2003_3_4_chen.pdf

    All of this is history now, the KMT on Taiwan are out of power largely because they've always been far less competent at organization and propaganda, compared to CPC and even DPP.
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  • @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    going too far when you’re trying to argue that US diplomatic actions in the run-up to the Iraq war were somehow a model of sophisticated statecraft
     
    Where have I said 2003 is the "model of sophisticated statecraft"? This seems to be your subjective projection to my comments, of something I have not written.

    I would say description of a difference I wanted to talk about, would be something like "attempt to manufacture casus belli to present to international community in 2003" vs "no presentation casus belli to international community, with surprise attack in 2022".

    If you read the comments above, I have only used Aliev in any sentence, that could imply sophistication (and even there is probably rhetorical exaggeration of Aliev in my comment, but he is the most recent example of starting such a war, without international reaction).

    I do not write anyone should emulate 2003 invasion of Iraq, whether invasion itself, or diplomatic activity before. But if you choose between presentation of manufactured pretext to international community before war of aggression, vs no presentation of pretext and then surprise attack. Then the former will be a less diplomatically noneffective strategy than the latter.


    WMDs were widely regarded as a pretext, or at the very least there was a sense that the US didn’t really want to give the UN inspectors around Hans Blix the chance to continue their work, but was itching to resort to military
     
    Of course, but I'm talking with Barbarossa about "creating of pretext" vs "not creating of pretext, then surprise attack".

    I'm not talking about "having pretext" vs "not having pretext". This is about "creating pretext".

    It's not "just war" vs "unjust war". "Just war" would require "having pretext", not "creating pretext".

    My impression of the historical consensus, is that people do not argue that Iraq 2003 is "just war" according to its manufactured pretext. It is viewed as a "unjust war with manufactured pretext".

    But one of many differences you can see between 2003 and 2022, is attempt to add a manufactured pretext to present to the international community, before the invasion in 2003. If you do not manufacture pretext, the international reaction will be likely much worse, than if you present manufactured pretext (if if only some will believe it).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Blinky Bill, @Mikel

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Blinky Bill

    Fortunately, for Russians, counterfeits will not be effected.

  • @Thulean Friend
    https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1500826950373462021

    Germany also publicly opposed Ukraine's entrance into the EU today. Berlin is the last capital in Europe where there is any geopolitical sanity.

    What we need is realpolitik - which the US tries its best to sabotage at every turn.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Wielgus, @A123, @Blinky Bill

  • For years the eminent Russia scholar Stephen Cohen had ranked President Vladimir Putin of the Russian Republic as the most consequential world leader of the early twenty-first century. He praised the man's enormous success in reviving his country after the chaos and destitution of the Yeltsin years and emphasized his desire for friendly relations with...
  • @Jeff Davis
    @Blinky Bill

    I did a google search for the quote you cite, and found nothing to attribute it to Mearsheimer, but rather to someone on Twitter.

    If you know better, please enlighten me.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1500192254887022593?s=20&t=t_G5f-IE-Yj_SoAeMdWdQA

    If they accuse Mearsheimer of such things, should they not also accuse Thucydides of the same.

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  • @Wokechoke
    @Barbarossa

    Don’t forget India. Oddly both Pakistan and India are currying favour with Russia.

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  • A map of global population density is useful in helping to grasp where racial boundaries tend to fall: Yesterday, I mentioned the vast empty space in the Sahara, which is a big reason why Sub-Saharans don't blend in that much genetically with the rest of the world, outside of the Horn of Africa. But also...
  • @Hypnotoad666
    If you think about it, the sheer size and density of a population center itself creates a kind of relative genetic "isolation" because even without geographic barriers, free intermixture with less-populated surrounding areas would have a miniscule percentage effect on the center's genetic mix.

    The Ganges River Valley, The Yangtze-Yellow River Valleys, The European "peninsula" (bounded by the Med, North Sea, Baltic, and Atlantic), and the West African Coast, jump off the map as the "four corners" of the world, population-wise.

    If not for the big Aryan invasion off the steppe it seems clear that Dravidian-types (or whoever was populating the Ganges at the time) would be sufficiently genetically isolated to be the fourth major continental race group.

    It's also interesting that European and African ancestral population centers are more spread out and not bounded to a specific agricultural river system like China is. That geography supports the hypothesis of Nicholas Wade that East Asians are basically genetically optimized for rice farming.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    If not for the big Aryan invasion off the steppe it seems clear that Dravidian-types (or whoever was populating the Ganges at the time) would be sufficiently genetically isolated to be the fourth major continental race group.

    I think the latest genetic findings suggest that even Dravidians predate the steppe populations by a relatively short period of time. The genetic history of India seems much more complicated than thought earlier.

    Then again, all the major racial groups have more complicated histories than thought earlier – both Europeans and East Asians are varying mixtures of two, three, or even four major migrations, of hunter-gatherers, agriculturalists, and pastoralists.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
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  • @sudden death
    @Boethiuss

    Putin is not the main problem, we are lucky indeed that we are dealing with him and his clique of incompetent computer illiterate corrupt Soviet boomers. There is quite a big chance that younger RF generation would do the same what he is doing now, just with way more quality in action, so Putin needs to stay until his natural end. This ongoing mugabization of putinism so far has been spectacular.

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  • For years the eminent Russia scholar Stephen Cohen had ranked President Vladimir Putin of the Russian Republic as the most consequential world leader of the early twenty-first century. He praised the man's enormous success in reviving his country after the chaos and destitution of the Yeltsin years and emphasized his desire for friendly relations with...
  • @Blinky Bill

    During last June’s Biden-Putin summit, our president told the Russian leader that we fully understood the terrible pressure he was facing from the Chinese, and his fear of their military threat.
     
    When the West tried its best to instigate Sino-Russian conflict and trumpeted Chinese intention to invade Siberia, the Russians replied by simply placing a scarecrow soldier on China-Russia border.


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNNmEHgVcAEYAcK.jpg

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  • @Thulean Friend
    https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1500826950373462021

    Germany also publicly opposed Ukraine's entrance into the EU today. Berlin is the last capital in Europe where there is any geopolitical sanity.

    What we need is realpolitik - which the US tries its best to sabotage at every turn.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Wielgus, @A123, @Blinky Bill

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @Blinky Bill

    That's desperation. Sleepy Joe seems unable to predict the consequences of his own incompetence. He is screwed.

  • For years the eminent Russia scholar Stephen Cohen had ranked President Vladimir Putin of the Russian Republic as the most consequential world leader of the early twenty-first century. He praised the man's enormous success in reviving his country after the chaos and destitution of the Yeltsin years and emphasized his desire for friendly relations with...
  • @meamjojo
    Dear China: Whose Side Are You on in Ukraine?
    March 6, 2022, 1:00 a.m. ET
    By Thomas L. Friedman

    With every passing day, the war in Ukraine becomes a bigger tragedy for the Ukrainian people but also a bigger threat to the future of Europe and the world at large. There is only one country that might have the power to stop it now, and it’s not the United States. It’s China.

    If China announced that, rather than staying neutral, it was joining the economic boycott of Russia — or even just strongly condemning its unprovoked invasion of Ukraine and demanding that it withdraw — it might shake Vladimir Putin enough to stop this vicious war. At a minimum, it would give him pause, because he has no other significant ally aside from India in the world now.

    Why would President Xi Jinping of China take such a stand, which would seemingly undermine his dream of seizing Taiwan the same way Putin is attempting to seize Ukraine? The short answer is that the past eight decades of relative peace among the great powers led to a rapidly globalizing world that has been the key to China’s rapid economic rise and the elevation out of poverty for some 800 million Chinese people since 1980. Peace has been very good for China. Its continued growth depends on China’s ability to export to and learn from that world of steadily integrating and modernizing free markets.

    The whole Faustian bargain between the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese citizenry — the C.C.P. gets to rule while the people get to be steadily better off economically — depends to a significant degree on the stability of the global economy and trading system.
    ...
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/06/opinion/putin-ukraine-china.html

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Emil Nikola Richard

    • Replies: @Exalted Cyclops
    @Blinky Bill

    Truly Peak Boomertard. So much for the "stable genius". That's Biden-level stupidity. Honk-Honk!

    , @Random Anonymous
    @Blinky Bill

    Now that's 4-D chess! Not.

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  • @Yevardian
    @Svidomyatheart


    They’ve already essentially abandoned us…only useful as to how much damage can be inflicted to Russia
     
    Well, what the hell did you expect? You country was incited to endlessly provoke and get eventually eaten by Russia, ideally in the most bloody manner possible, for maximum effect across the Western world more broadly, as a sort of sacrificial offering. Perhaps that's all the Ukrainian project ever was intended to be for global planners.


    During the previous post-Soviet conflict, 2020's Artaskh War (one with real possibility of genocide) as US interests weren't involved you barely heard a blip, nothing, nada, anywhere in media of a single Western country.
    Of course the global stakes are far higher with this Ukrainian War, but do you really think US planners or Western governments in general give a shit about Ukrainians? Probably a calculation was made long ago that Ukraine was more more useful as an open bleeding (now, literally) sore than as a functional country, the only goal from this point from the 'Western' point of view is to bleed the population out as long as possible, more photo-ops of dead children and destroyed playgrounds from Russian invaders, keeping horrified Europeans under US thumb and further crusade of modern agendas like gender-assignment surgery for young children, replacement of the native European populations and so on it goes.

    But again, I don't see how Putin thought mounting a full-scale invasion of the whole Ukraine was a good idea, the optics alone are disastrous, let alone the material and human costs of war between two nations that are practically the same.
    I don't to sound like a mirror defeatist of German_Reader, but it feels like Russia may have fallen hard into the Thucydides Trap, like so many other grim examples in history.

    Replies: @German_reader, @sher singh, @silviosilver, @Svidomyatheart

    I know US doesnt care they dont even care that much about their own unless its a minority or if you’re Jewish.

    The original idea wasnt even NATO, just EU. To get to levels of Croatia or something.

    And soon its going to take another 2 generations to rebuild.

    I shouldnt have to jump through endless hoops just to be able to afford decent food. Hell, if even Somalis from across the contient can cash in on the endless gibs(no, thats not what we were asking for but the ability to simply work in EU)

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
  • @Yevardian
    @Blinky Bill

    Is that from Our Benevolent Overlord's "The Spartan Naval Empire"?
    I feel I would have remembered such a powerful take, but I did read it years ago, between many other papers.. though it was just background, as I was working on the revolution of Kleomenes III anyway.

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  • For years the eminent Russia scholar Stephen Cohen had ranked President Vladimir Putin of the Russian Republic as the most consequential world leader of the early twenty-first century. He praised the man's enormous success in reviving his country after the chaos and destitution of the Yeltsin years and emphasized his desire for friendly relations with...
  • During last June’s Biden-Putin summit, our president told the Russian leader that we fully understood the terrible pressure he was facing from the Chinese, and his fear of their military threat.

    When the West tried its best to instigate Sino-Russian conflict and trumpeted Chinese intention to invade Siberia, the Russians replied by simply placing a scarecrow soldier on China-Russia border.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill

    Have you seen this before Mr Unz?


    https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1500839485642194944?s=20&t=vl0-aRKeGnfRGKOKGMHtbw

  • By attributing the war primarily to the growth of Athenian power and the fear it caused Sparta, Thucydides proved to be a stooge and conduit of Spartan talking points, denied its agency, and was most likely on their payroll.

    John Joseph Mearsheimer

    • Replies: @Peter Rabbit
    @Blinky Bill

    So the interlocutor in the Melian Dialogue was actually Sparta?

    , @Jeff Davis
    @Blinky Bill

    I did a google search for the quote you cite, and found nothing to attribute it to Mearsheimer, but rather to someone on Twitter.

    If you know better, please enlighten me.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    , @BlackFlag
    @Blinky Bill

    The difference is that Sparta won the war. Otherwise, Thucydides' book would have been burned and he would have been forgotten.

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  • @silviosilver
    @Yevardian


    but it feels like Russia may have fallen hard into the Thucydides Trap
     
    I don't see how Thucydides Trap logic applies to this case. That concept was formulated to describe a specific set of circumstances; it's not a catch-all term for any situation in which the aggressor felt they "had to" go to war.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    In case you’ve not seen it, powerful take.

    By attributing the war primarily to the growth of Athenian power and the fear it caused Sparta, Thucydides proved to be a stooge and conduit of Spartan talking points, denied its agency, and was probably on their payroll.

    • LOL: silviosilver
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Blinky Bill

    Is that from Our Benevolent Overlord's "The Spartan Naval Empire"?
    I feel I would have remembered such a powerful take, but I did read it years ago, between many other papers.. though it was just background, as I was working on the revolution of Kleomenes III anyway.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @Mikhail

    I agree with every point you make in this post and goes further with the entire Novorossiya given local autonomy on the oblast level.

    But as AK understands it, Putin is going for wholesale annexation and the negation of Ukrainian national identity, which I reject and hopefully you won't approve of.

    Banderites can be a party like the far-right in France and Germany, and even a part of the ruling coalition, but not having a militia on the Hezbollah model. Leave the use of force to the (reduced) armed or security apparatus of Ukraine. Ukrainian politicians need to (re)learn the balancing act that allowed Finland to thrive in Cold War.

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  • @Thulean Friend
    Comparisons with Iran, Cuba or even North Korea(!) are wildly overstated. Russia will manage this crisis far better.

    https://twitter.com/elinaribakova/status/1500615240505085952

    China, India, Africa and all the important players in Latinx America have unequivocally stated that they will not sanction Russia. The so-called "devastating SWIFT sanctions" have more holes than Swiss cheese. The biggest and most systemically important bank in Russia, Sberbank, has been spared because it is critical in facilitating oil and gas trade.

    This should not surprise us. Germany and Italy made these demands and are not backing off. The US is now trying to pursue an oil embargo alone on Russia, which is mostly just optics as America was never an important client. It's also an admission of defeat that it can't get Europe to sign on.

    Russia's export structure is ideally suited to the moment, with commodity prices going on a rampage. The contrast with the 2014 crisis couldn't have been more stark, when the bottom fell out and forced Russia to play defensive. In addition, the economy was less prepared for a radical shift. MIR didn't exist then. China's own technological sovereignty progress was far behind what it is now.

    I am now seeing estimates of up to a 20% GDP collapse. This is wishful thinking. Not even half that will happen, and most of the GDP fall this year will be one-off transition costs as Russians cut ties with the West in a range of sectors.

    The biggest long-term challenge is to guarantee a smooth transition to Chinese alternatives once/when commodity prices calm down. Russia is too weak to go it alone and pride may prevent many Russians from accepting that. Current elevated commodity prices are giving Russia a giant umbrella to work under. Better prepare for the rain when the umbrella is gone.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Barbarossa, @mal

  • Comparisons with Iran, Cuba or even North Korea(!) are wildly overstated. Russia will manage this crisis far better.

    https://twitter.com/elinaribakova/status/1500615240505085952

    China, India, Africa and all the important players in Latinx America have unequivocally stated that they will not sanction Russia. The so-called “devastating SWIFT sanctions” have more holes than Swiss cheese. The biggest and most systemically important bank in Russia, Sberbank, has been spared because it is critical in facilitating oil and gas trade.

    This should not surprise us. Germany and Italy made these demands and are not backing off. The US is now trying to pursue an oil embargo alone on Russia, which is mostly just optics as America was never an important client. It’s also an admission of defeat that it can’t get Europe to sign on.

    Russia’s export structure is ideally suited to the moment, with commodity prices going on a rampage. The contrast with the 2014 crisis couldn’t have been more stark, when the bottom fell out and forced Russia to play defensive. In addition, the economy was less prepared for a radical shift. MIR didn’t exist then. China’s own technological sovereignty progress was far behind what it is now.

    I am now seeing estimates of up to a 20% GDP collapse. This is wishful thinking. Not even half that will happen, and most of the GDP fall this year will be one-off transition costs as Russians cut ties with the West in a range of sectors.

    The biggest long-term challenge is to guarantee a smooth transition to Chinese alternatives once/when commodity prices calm down. Russia is too weak to go it alone and pride may prevent many Russians from accepting that. Current elevated commodity prices are giving Russia a giant umbrella to work under. Better prepare for the rain when the umbrella is gone.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Thulean Friend

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNK69N4XEAQ3Z9f.jpg

    , @Barbarossa
    @Thulean Friend

    I think you are absolutely correct.

    However, it's hard to take a comment seriously when it uses the term Latinx. It's such a grating, clunky, ideologically charged term, to address a non-existent problem. ;)

    , @mal
    @Thulean Friend


    I am now seeing estimates of up to a 20% GDP collapse. This is wishful thinking. Not even half that will happen, and most of the GDP fall this year will be one-off transition costs as Russians cut ties with the West in a range of sectors.
     
    It's funny but I think the pessimists are right on this one at least in the short term.

    The "swiss cheese" comment is silly because there's a lot of self sanctioning going on. Even if only a few Russian banks got banned, in reality, this means the whole banking system. Due to counter party risk all of Russian assets are deemed toxic.

    It doesn't mean the end of the world though. Ruble resumed devaluation that i expected which is needed to save Russian balance of payments. This is important because we are about to enter Great Depression 2.0 and demand for commodities will slump. Russia is profiting now, but it won't be forever. Devaluation is the key part of long term strategy and if it doesn't happen Russia is screwed.

    With attack on CBR reserves, eurodollar is done. In the upcoming depression, ex-US world will be unable to pay off USD denominated debt and will default. Meanwhile, US will be forced to print dozens of $trillions to save its own economy. But because 80% of US economy is services, none of those dollars will make it to save the ex-US eurodollar world.

    Just like with the end of the Roman Empire, provinces will burn first. EU will be devastated. US will be fine. Dollar will soar in value to the point of being unusable. Like Pets dot com stock in 1999. So will US government debt.

    Russia will have to eat 15-20% GDP loss, but with low debt levels, it should be like living in the 90's for a year or so. Depression will also cure inflation globally so I don't see Russian inflation going past 20% for long, as long as depression results.

    The end game though is well worth it as bilateral trade agreements will emerge from the ruins of the eurodollar system. The planet will taste freedom and sovereignty for the first time since 19th century. US will continue to exist in its own bubble for a while longer.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

  • For those so interested, I just released my new article, discussing “Putin as Hitler”…

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-putin-as-hitler/

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ron Unz

    By the way, seeing you post here, thanks for paying attention to our community and starting these threads for us. I appreciate you doing this and I'm sure many other people here also.

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    By misery you presumably mean joy, vigor, and national rejuvenation. The past weeklist has seen most of Russian nationalists' remaining goals accomplished turbo.

    Russia is not in the same weight class as Iran, let alone North Korea, so the effects of Western sanctions (and they are Western; not just China, but BRICS, couldn't care less) will be much more limited. Furthermore, Russia has plenty of leverage of its own, natural gas to Germany has been cut off today, fertilizer exports have been drastically cut (Russia and Ukraine account for 1/3 of the world's wheat exports), etc. The world economy crashing with no survivors will mitigate any public discontent with Putin over the Russian economy's own short-term collapse.

    Replies: @A123, @Blinky Bill

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @Yellowface Anon

    Companies that have fled the Russia market:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNCUaJiWQAIULD3.jpg

    Entire markets open for Indian & Chinese businesses to enter, the rest pirated/smuggled/VPN-accessed.

    Most of those are going ZERO before 2030 - WEF says so.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @Blinky Bill

  • @Thulean Friend
    Facebook is now blocked in Russia. Twitter is reportedly "restricted". That won't hurt the country, but there will be a deeper technological embargo on Russia. Moscow had grand plans unveiled last year:

    Russia To Build RISC-V Processors for Laptops: 8-core, 2 GHz, 12nm, 2025

    Russian outlet Vedomosti.ru today is reporting that the conglomerate Rostec, a Russian state-backed corporation specializing in investment in technology, has penned a deal with server company Yadro and silicon design company Syntacore to develop RISC-V processors for computers, laptops, and servers. Initial reports are suggesting that Syntacore will develop a powerful enough RISC-V design to power government and education systems by 2025.

    The cost of the project is reported to be around 30 billion rubles ($400m), with that the organizers of the project plan to sell 60,000 systems based around new processors containing RISC-V cores as the main processing cores. The reports state that the goal is to build an 8-core processor, running at 2 GHz, using a 12-nanometer process, which presumably means GlobalFoundries but at this point it is unclear. Out of the project funding, two-thirds will be provided by ‘anchor customers’ (such as Rostec and subsidiaries), while the final third will come from the federal budget. The systems these processors will go into will operate initially at Russia’s Ministry of Education and Science, as well as the Ministry of Health.
     

    Russia can now kiss these plans goodbye.

    Russia has also created 'Erebrus' CPUs in the past as an x86 alternative to Intel and AMD but their own interior ministry rejected them and scandalously preferred Intel processors. Russia's security agencies have tried to implement "technological sovereignty" but this has clearly failed up until now. The upcoming embargoes will make it all but impossible.

    That means they have to ditch any plans on self-reliance. There is only one option left:


    https://twitter.com/ArtyomLukin/status/1499754937672155137

    We all know which country he hints at.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Beckow, @Not Raul, @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Blinky Bill

    See it’s things like this. I’ve noticed the interest the Indians have shown in Ukraine. The Anglosphere only has so much power here. There’s 2.5 billion people who are possibly rooting for Russia.

  • @Dmitry
    @Justvisiting

    Yes, entering cities will be a dystopian level of violence.

    I'm wondering if anyone here has read books about the wars in Grozny, or Battle of Berlin, etc?

    We have even a couple of educated people here like German Reader, who can read books.

    Also I was expecting Yevardian at least to read some books about Grozny.

    -

    There was an interesting discussion from YouTube about the war so far by military experts. Exaggeration in the beginning about economic effects so far in Russia.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXEvbVoDiU0

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    We have even a couple of educated people here

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  • It didn’t have to be this way.

    Why did it come to this?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Blinky Bill

    Nicely done pic, but commies are pathetic as usual - hunger genocided the most succesful food producers in Ukraine, then managed to build several big planes instead, while having to import food from capitalists and try to present it as some miraculous achievement worthy of admiring, lol

  • @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill

    33 Revolutions per Minute

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlroADDjDQHdP21Iz8IvVEZHnfT1kXmsU6zA&usqp.jpg






    https://youtu.be/48Kk7kobMQY

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    In the interview that Lex Fridman did with his dad the old guy said the most revolutionary moment @ the Breznev group was when the young people got their hands on the first black market Beatles records.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
  • Seriously, who knew that Russians understand baseball metaphors? C'mon, Kremlin insiders, it's fourth down and ten, so throw the Hail Mary. It's time to tee it high and let it fly! On a more constructive note, let me point out that Nikita Khrushchev's removal from power in 1964 was done peacefully. Perhaps American senators should...
  • @Steve Sailer
    @Anonymous

    Putin is attacking perhaps the whitest country in Europe.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @J.Ross, @Anonymous, @Je Suis Omar Mateen, @Corvinus, @Paperback Writer, @Brutusale

    No, that would be White Russia (Belarus). Less foreign students, Tartars, Turks and Scotch Irish.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Blinky Bill

    You are indeed right, Blinky, and Mr Steve owes you a reply acknowledging the fact. We can ignore the stuff about Tartars, Turks and Scotch Irish as a touch of sarcasm on your part. But "Less foreign students " is spot on.

    Even in Late Soviet times, Ukraine set out to attract 3rd World students who couldn't make the grade to get into Western European or North American Universities. The student got a substandard degree on the cheap from some substandard Ukrainian college, which he could take back home and use in employment. Sometimes, of course, they didn't. It's worse now, hence all those Indians and dindus fleeing over the borders at the present time.

    Belarus never really got involved in this sort of thing. Also, it has always been much less of a tourist destination than Ukraine. So the country is a genuine Whiteopia. Give it a couple of years, and no doubt some columnist - not John Derbyshire - will be extolling its appeal.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Anonymous

  • @Steve Sailer
    @Eric Novak

    If you are Xi, does Ukraine make you think Taiwan would be a walk-over?

    Replies: @BB753, @Charlotte, @Blinky Bill, @J.Ross, @Inquiring Mind

    1) The size of Taiwan vs Ukraine.

    2) How far Taiwan is from the WEST.

    3) How China’s resources far exceed Russia’s.

    Chinese Taipei can’t exchange territory for time, or resupply, it’s the same size as Moldova.


    [MORE]

    Not Taiwanese!

  • From the New York Times opinion section: Henry Louis Gates is the chairman of the Harvard Afro-American Studies department and host of the PBS show "Finding Your Roots," an informative series, in which celebrities have their DNA scanned and told their racial backgrounds. Hence, he's in a bit of a tight spot as the Race...
  • @Bardon Kaldian
    Obama and similar types cannot be considered whites because they look differently. Race is looks plus some culture.

    Population genetics has become the new marshal in race town, but we all know that it is generally about generic looks, combined with social mores & culture.

    This woman is Iranian (real Iranian, not a convert). Of course she's Muslim. Of course she's not European. But- would anyone mentally sane say that she is not "white"?

    https://i.imgur.com/fyu8KMo.png

    Replies: @Tono Bungay, @Blinky Bill, @PhysicistDave, @Chrisnonymous, @Hapalong Cassidy, @AndrewR, @Art Deco, @J.Ross, @quewin, @AnotherDad, @Greysquirrell, @Clyde, @JMcG, @Hypnotoad666, @Pop Warner, @Richard of Melbourne, @dindunuffins

    Uzbek.

    Race is not based on looks but community acceptance. If whites embrace you, you’re white!

    • Replies: @Otto The Lotto
    @Blinky Bill

    Robert J Matthews and David Lane always told me, "if you think you're white and we think you are white, then you are white".

  • • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Blinky Bill

    I'm surprised ;-)

    “In the last 10 years, since the Somalis and the Congolese came to London, they taught us a whole new level of violence”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20190328225442/http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/how-londons-knife-culture-is-being-fueled-by-jargon-social-media-and-music-a3579396.html

    , @AnotherDad
    @Blinky Bill

    He's right--and very rational--he's not Ukrainian. It's not his nation or his war.

    It's the Ukrainians who were irrational--or at least silly--letting this guy hang his hat there. Has no one learned anything from America.

  • The last Open Thread is getting very sluggish, so here's another one. Again, please use the MORE Tag to hide all but your first Tweet and otherwise keep the thread load manageable as long as possible. --- Ron Unz
  • @Yellowface Anon
    @Blinky Bill

    https://fortune.com/2022/02/22/india-chip-shortage-semiconductor-manufacturing-crisis-design-solution-rakesh-kumar/

    China will help out after they take over TSMC. Will be a great irony when it embargos the West in turn.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill

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  • @JL
    @Blinky Bill

    Not just a wagie, but a Russian eurocel (it's all over for you guys, so sorry). One would think after assuring us for so long that this would never happen because all of Russia's elite children study in the West, he'd own his L. Instead, he just keeps digging deeper down the hole, lashing out at people being corrupt, stupid and evil.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Dmitry

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    • LOL: Brás Cubas, Voltarde
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Blinky Bill

    Do you think Russian life expectancy will shoot up? There will still be alcoholization.

    This is actually what I wanted to add after I can't edit the comment on businesses quitting. But they will still have homegrown, Chinese and Indian alternatives that are as decadent.

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @Blinky Bill

    https://fortune.com/2022/02/22/india-chip-shortage-semiconductor-manufacturing-crisis-design-solution-rakesh-kumar/

    China will help out after they take over TSMC. Will be a great irony when it embargos the West in turn.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill

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    • Troll: Yellowface Anon
  • @Dmitry
    Singapore will unliterally add sanctions against Russia, which is surprising for the journalists.

    They are sanctions against interaction with 4 Russian banks, as well as some export controls against sending to Russia Singapore's military equipment or dual-use technology.

    Many individual wealthy citizens of Russian, store their money in Singapore, but these sanctions will not apply to individual people. I think even people like owners of the largest military manufacturers in Russia, are often moving money through Singapore, but this would be surely the individual people.

    https://twitter.com/business/status/1499927097489428483

    Position of not adding sanctions to Russia, by Western bloc countries Turkey and Israel,* is seeming more diplomatically unrealistic for them, when even Singapore and Switzerland sanction.


    -

    * Earlier before the war, Israel holocaust museum has tried to prevent sanctions against Abramovich, because is their second largest funder (https://www.businessinsider.com/roman-abramovich-russian-oligarch-israel-holocaust-museum-ask-sanction-donor-2022-03)

    Here you can some of the multivector diplomatic strategy of the oligarchs. By donating to charities inside Western bloc, they can try to create some friendships on both sides of the new "Iron curtain". Israel seems to be one of the "successful" places for this strategy, as they do not yet impose sanctions against Russia, neither against Russian wealthy individuals.

    Some of the top oligarchs were trying to quietly say they disagree with war, according to "Jewish Telegraph Agency's" article about this topic.


    On Sunday, Fridman, Genesis co-founder and trustee and one of Russia’s richest people, became the first Russian oligarch to speak out against the war, calling it a “tragedy,” according to the Financial Times.

    Fridman’s statement was followed by a similar one from a second Jewish oligarch, Oleg Deripaska. “Peace is very important! Negotiations must begin as soon as possible!” Deripaska, an outspoken Putin supporter who has been under U.S. sanctions, wrote on Telegram, according to the Financial Times.
     

    https://www.jta.org/2022/03/01/global/russias-jewish-oligarchs-and-their-donations-come-under-threat-of-western-sanctions-amid-ukraine-war

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill

    Malaysia, Bumiputera. Surprising, no.

  • @Thulean Friend
    Facebook is now blocked in Russia. Twitter is reportedly "restricted". That won't hurt the country, but there will be a deeper technological embargo on Russia. Moscow had grand plans unveiled last year:

    Russia To Build RISC-V Processors for Laptops: 8-core, 2 GHz, 12nm, 2025

    Russian outlet Vedomosti.ru today is reporting that the conglomerate Rostec, a Russian state-backed corporation specializing in investment in technology, has penned a deal with server company Yadro and silicon design company Syntacore to develop RISC-V processors for computers, laptops, and servers. Initial reports are suggesting that Syntacore will develop a powerful enough RISC-V design to power government and education systems by 2025.

    The cost of the project is reported to be around 30 billion rubles ($400m), with that the organizers of the project plan to sell 60,000 systems based around new processors containing RISC-V cores as the main processing cores. The reports state that the goal is to build an 8-core processor, running at 2 GHz, using a 12-nanometer process, which presumably means GlobalFoundries but at this point it is unclear. Out of the project funding, two-thirds will be provided by ‘anchor customers’ (such as Rostec and subsidiaries), while the final third will come from the federal budget. The systems these processors will go into will operate initially at Russia’s Ministry of Education and Science, as well as the Ministry of Health.
     

    Russia can now kiss these plans goodbye.

    Russia has also created 'Erebrus' CPUs in the past as an x86 alternative to Intel and AMD but their own interior ministry rejected them and scandalously preferred Intel processors. Russia's security agencies have tried to implement "technological sovereignty" but this has clearly failed up until now. The upcoming embargoes will make it all but impossible.

    That means they have to ditch any plans on self-reliance. There is only one option left:


    https://twitter.com/ArtyomLukin/status/1499754937672155137

    We all know which country he hints at.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Beckow, @Not Raul, @Dmitry, @Blinky Bill

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    • Disagree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Blinky Bill

    https://fortune.com/2022/02/22/india-chip-shortage-semiconductor-manufacturing-crisis-design-solution-rakesh-kumar/

    China will help out after they take over TSMC. Will be a great irony when it embargos the West in turn.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Blinky Bill

  • @Blinky Bill
    @Dmitry

    Wagies Posting Ls.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Thulean Friend, @JL, @Dmitry

    33 Revolutions per Minute

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    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Blinky Bill

    In the interview that Lex Fridman did with his dad the old guy said the most revolutionary moment @ the Breznev group was when the young people got their hands on the first black market Beatles records.

  • @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    Jewish oligarch, Oleg Deripaska. “Peace is very important!
     
    Not to say that he doesn't have human considerations, (any person who is not completely corrupt, evil and stupid, is opposed to this invasion of Ukraine), but he is also particularly vulnerable to the sanctions and has in recent years made his workers protest against sanctions.

    Apparently, GAZ was very badly damaged by the sanctions against Deripaska (from the Trump administration?).

    In 2019, oligarch Deripaska made his workers produce a "music video", to protest (Trump's?) sanctions against him.

    Here Deripaska's workers' "spontaneous" 2019 anti-sanction song was based on a classic "Coolio" song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRK0mibI_Dc

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    Wagies Posting Ls.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill

    33 Revolutions per Minute

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlroADDjDQHdP21Iz8IvVEZHnfT1kXmsU6zA&usqp.jpg






    https://youtu.be/48Kk7kobMQY

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Blinky Bill

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzfLgrmsuqk

    , @JL
    @Blinky Bill

    Not just a wagie, but a Russian eurocel (it's all over for you guys, so sorry). One would think after assuring us for so long that this would never happen because all of Russia's elite children study in the West, he'd own his L. Instead, he just keeps digging deeper down the hole, lashing out at people being corrupt, stupid and evil.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Dmitry

    , @Dmitry
    @Blinky Bill

    Yes they have to build the wagon, but Deripaska takes the profits. When Trump then gives sanctions on Deripaska, he makes them record "Coolio" songs about supporting the working class. It's something fallen from the mainstream timeline of history, in the stage between bourgeois capitalism and feudalism.

  • The previous Open Thread focused on the Russia-Ukraine war has nearly reached 800 comments, and the large volume of Tweets and other embedded material has led to complaints of sluggishness, so I'm opening this new thread. In order to minimize such problems in the future, it's probably a good idea to use the MORE tag...
  • @Triteleia Laxa
    Military sitrep:

    10,000 casualties

    9 days

    1 of 21 major cities occupied

    Do the maths idiots, and that is with the easiest ground taken, the most Russian preparation and without having to enforce an occupation, which is the actual hard part.

    Economic sitrep:

    Nothing to report as there is no longer anything there.

    Diplomatic sitrep:

    Friendly Germany turned into enemy, along with all of Europe.

    Already banned by one Chinese bank.

    Eritrea, North Korea are quite supportive, but wavering.

    Domestic sitrep:

    All independent media banned.

    Calling the war "a war" is imprisonable offence.

    Don't know which of mass conscription or martial law will come on first.

    Overall:

    And this is with 2+ years of planning and preparation to maximise gains in first 10 days. Imagine how bad the next 10 days will go.

    Meanwhile, the Ukrainian army is bigger, better equipped and more motivated than it was even 10 days ago.

    ...

    Would be bizarre if Georgia takes enclaves back, Lukashenko declares independence, Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan rebel and Chinese decide they actually quite like Siberia and free natural resources with no troops to guard them. They could send forces in to maintain order "to help." What army is going to stop this stuff?

    Replies: @mal, @Blinky Bill

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  • Seriously, who knew that Russians understand baseball metaphors? C'mon, Kremlin insiders, it's fourth down and ten, so throw the Hail Mary. It's time to tee it high and let it fly! On a more constructive note, let me point out that Nikita Khrushchev's removal from power in 1964 was done peacefully. Perhaps American senators should...
  • • Agree: Old Prude
    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
    • LOL: Mr Mox, The Alarmist
    • Replies: @mc23
    @Blinky Bill

    I am happy with that.

  • The previous Open Thread focused on the Russia-Ukraine war has nearly reached 800 comments, and the large volume of Tweets and other embedded material has led to complaints of sluggishness, so I'm opening this new thread. In order to minimize such problems in the future, it's probably a good idea to use the MORE tag...
  • Interesting thread on China’s strategic posture in relation to the latest crisis:

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    https://twitter.com/zhaot2005/status/1499069321179324418

    Duke of Qin has pointed out that the “outward facing” intellectuals rarely if ever have any influence over policy circles and that the leadership doesn’t listen to them. They have their own “internal intellectuals”. Whether this is true, I don’t know. But it’s an interesting set of thoughts from an obviously intelligent Han Chinese scholar living and working in Beijing. I try to avoid overseas Chinese “Gordon Chang” types.

    • Disagree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Thulean Friend

    If you trust the NYT, China "knows" it all along, and this is why I am certain they will coerce Ukraine into conceding as the mediator.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/02/us/politics/russia-ukraine-china.html

    China should anticipate unilateral, hostile and illegitimate sanctions based on such "intel", with the excuse of "complicity" and "coercion to Ukraine for accepting territorial loss". Learning the lesson to be autarkic harshly!

  • iSteve favorite Samuel Johnson notes: According to the CIA World Factbook, there are 142 million people in Russia and 77.7% or 110 million are ethnic Russians.
  • @PhysicistDave
    @anonymous

    anonymous[114] wrote:


    We need to get rid of all nuclear weapons. They’re insane. We’ll inevitably blow ourselves up. Assign any percentage chance to nuclear war and, over a long enough time frame, it’s inevitable.
     
    Well, how do you enforce the prohibition?

    The best anyone seems to have thought of is to have one trusted central authority have control over nukes, but then who guards the guardians?

    Replies: @Inquiring Mind, @AndrewR, @Blinky Bill, @Craken, @The Wild Geese Howard, @JMcG, @Drapetomaniac, @anonymouseperson, @Anonymous

    but then who guards the guardians?

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  • The previous Open Thread focused on the Russia-Ukraine war has nearly reached 800 comments, and the large volume of Tweets and other embedded material has led to complaints of sluggishness, so I'm opening this new thread. In order to minimize such problems in the future, it's probably a good idea to use the MORE tag...
  • @Yevardian
    @LondonBob


    Rumours of Yanukovich in Belarus, lets us hope this can all be brought to a close soon.
     
    Oh FFS, couldn't they find anybody better than this to puppet with than this idiot? Fucking Medvedchuk, fucking anyone?

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    anyone?

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    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Blinky Bill

    Out of all those paid persons pictured, Putin without a doubt should declare Trump as the next ruler of Ukraine ;)

  • @Spisarevski
    Can't Russia simply stop exporting gas and oil to Europe? Nationalize Gazprom completely and start selling oil and gas internally at break even prices, which will be much lower than global market prices and thus will give Russian industry a competitive advantage and ease the pressure on standard of living at a time when the energy prices explode in the West.

    Gazprom prides itself how they always deliver on their contracts, but surely these sanctions are breaking contracts that westerners have made with the Russian Federation.

    The Russians can still export gas and oil to China and others in Asia, like South Korea for example, so they won't completely deprive themselves of export revenue.

    Also, can't the Russians complete the SWIFT sanctions themselves and disconnect completely from SWIFT, forcing banks around the world to adopt SPFS in parallel to SWIFT to serve anyone who wants to trade with Russia? And also force people to buy rubles to purchase goods and services from Russia, as Euro is even more unreliable than the US dollar as the latest actions against the Russian Central Bank has shown?

    Replies: @mal

    Can’t Russia simply stop exporting gas and oil to Europe?

    And likely the US too.

    I’m still trying to understand how the attack on Russian Central Bank will work. This doesn’t make much sense to me.

    Here’s how Russian monetary mechanism works. Russia Inc (Rosneft, Gazprom etc) sells oil and gets dollars/Euros. Russian Central Bank (CBR) then sells rubles on the forex market and buys those dollars/Euros from Russia Inc. They do this up to a limit set by the budget rule based on $42 oil.

    Here’s brief Moscow Times explainer.

    Russia’s Central Bank typically buys foreign currency using the proceeds of Russia’s oil and gas exports. This so-called “fiscal rule” is designed to reduce the currency’s volatility in response to swings in the value of global commodities — a previous weakness which had accentuated economic pressures during periods of turmoil.

    It mandates Russia to convert cash from oil sales into foreign currency by selling rubles when global oil prices are above a benchmark level of around $44 a barrel. Oil is currently trading at around $88, meaning the Central Bank has been selling significant amounts of rubles in recent days — accentuating the pressure on the currency stoked by fears of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, analysts say.

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/01/24/russias-central-bank-steps-in-to-halt-trade-as-russian-markets-in-freefall-a76130

    Basically, CBR acts as the biggest ruble short seller and it supports the value of other currencies. They do this on purpose to devalue the ruble just like Chinese Central Bank does the same thing to devalue yuan as such devaluations act as soft tariffs and keep domestic industries competitive.

    But if CBR can’t use euros/dollars for financial manipulation, what do they need them for? Euros/dollars can’t be spent domestically, and Russia always runs trade surplus (this is a result of Central Bank policy described above) so Russia doesn’t need euros/dollars for trade.

    Simplest thing would be to just denominate all oil sales in rubles. Russia would lose a lot of financial flexibility in doing this, but accumulating useless invalid currencies is rather pointless.

    Basically, attack on CBR reserves is an attack on the eurodollar which will likely cause CBR to stop shorting ruble. I see ruble dropping initially on the panic, but who is going to short sell it going forward? Banks? Normally they would but they are under sanctions as well, so their ability to transact in foreign currency is limited.

    As ruble plunges, Russian government will post massive budget surpluses, bigger than what they currently have (revenues in expensive currency, costs in cheap currency leading to surplus and profit). So how this will play out in the longer term is difficult to see.

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    @mal

    Very good explanation. Like yourself I am not understanding how many of those sanctions will affect the Russian economy given her current macro situation. Specially the sanctions on the CBR are difficult to understand what would they achieve.

    I also posted a comment to the effect that it is not clear how delisting a few Russian banks from SWIFT will work given that all the other Russian banks will be connected.

    The sanctions on HNW individuals would only be important if said HNW individuals stage a coup against Putin to recover their access to villas and mansions in the Mediterranean. Not gonna happen.

    Sanctiond against Putin and Lavrov are purely symbolical.

    Are western apparatchicks pretending to be mean and Russian apparatchicks pretending to be offended?

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    The only way Taiwan capitulates is if the PLAN manages to blockade Taiwan, Cuban missile crisis style which is well beyond its present capabilities.
     
    No?

    PLAN is already approaching the same size as the US Navy in tonnage, and it has far more missiles than Taiwan has, which it can use against any attempt to end the blockade.


    Also Russia, in stark contrast to China, is completely self sufficient in energy, food and industrial raw materials and thus cannot be crippled by a US led Naval blockade. China imports vast quantities of these and is vulnerable to such blockades.
     
    China can import the grains and oil it needs from Russia. Do you think Russia would co-operate with isolating China given current events?

    So no its very unlikely Taiwan will be invaded successfully soon.
     

    Red herring. China doesn't need to invade, it merely needs to blockade Taiwan into submission. But doing so carries significant risks and Xi isn't a gambler, like Putin. China is much more dependent on world trade and integration into global value chains than Russia is.

    Finally, China is constantly growing far stronger. Russia is stagnant. So Beijing can afford to wait.

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