'If Hitler had not invaded the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941, Stalin would have conquered all of Europe...'

Given that in the upshot, the Soviet Union didn't overcome its military deficencies until 1944, that's dubious.

Left to its own devices, the Soviet Union might well have launched an attack on Germany in 1942. However, whatever its numerical superiority and the high theoretical quality of its arms, I suspect it would have quickly stumbled to a halt, and the extremely proficient Wehrmacht of the day would have given us an impressive display of military brilliance as it fluently chopped the Soviet behemoth into pieces.

It's all an interesting alternate timeline -- but I wouldn't put too much money on the Soviet Union unless you can get good odds.

Replies: @Wizard of Oz, @Miro23

'A lot has been written for and against Winston Churchill, a most controversial figure...'

One aspect of hanging out at Unz is I keep finding myself playing the moderate; it's not my accustomed position. Here, I propose shooting all the adult males -- and I'm denounced for not wanting to get the women and children too.

Oh well. Anyway, with respect to Churchill, I agree the conventional deification is absurd; he was decidedly flawed and had a catastrophic effect in a number of ways. However, I think the revisionist vilification goes to the opposite extreme. It's not too exciting, and one has to sort through the brambles rather than just going to the wall -- but as so often, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Churchill had his good points.

Replies: @Timur The Lame, @Joe Levantine

War was the only thing that seems to have excited Churchill. Although you speak of "his" war with respect to the Second War, he had a decisive hand in bringing about the First World War, the Russian Civil War after the Communist Revolution in Russia, and after the Second War he was looking forward to yet a bigger war with the Bolsheviks as adversaries.
He could not think. His plan was basically to have a war, or wars, in which he had a leading role. He had no thought of the consequences of the events he set in motion. There is something infantile in this man.
In Ralph Raico's essay Rethinking Churchill, Churchill is quoted making a remark to this private secretary on V-E-day:" What will lie between the white snows of Russia and the white cliffs of Dover?" With Raico's reply " Really, what are we to make of a statesman who for years ignored the fact that the extinction of Germany a a power in Europe entailed.... certain consequences. Is this another Bismarck or Metternich we are dealing with here? Or is it a case of a Woodrow Wilson redivivus - of another Prince of Fools?"

Replies: @Colin Wright

London was informed very explicitly that the German forces would withdraw if concessions were made and the Poles ended their previous provocation
 

Replies: @Skeptikal

Thanks, John Wear. I’ll try to read it and Suvorov in future, mired as we are in the pandemic.

Recently finished Bullock’s ‘Hitler and Stalin’ (read his ‘Hitler: Study in Tyranny’ fifty years ago). As Oppenheimer might say, two scorpions in a bottle. Won’t argue Stalin (as ruthless and pragmatic as Hitler) ultimately might have attacked, though the time for that would have been May 1940.

But Hitler’s reasons given Göbbels 23 Jun 1941 seem to argue against genuine preemption and for risky opportunism (rapid régime change in destroying a Soviet ‘house of cards’).

Weeks later (8 Jul 1941) Hitler orders Göbbels to switch the tune to preemption. Any thoughts?

Replies: @John Wear

Well said

He's Black and he's a Fed -- if you've ever worked around Feds they protect their own generally -- think Ruby Ridge etc.

Replies: @Truth

"Dominate and subjugate humanity" you say. Reminds me of a certain old TV show, and the goals of a certain nefarious outfit that Napoleon Solo fought against.

I've been wanting a name for this outfit that's taken over, a name that really fits them to the "t". Hmm! Why not? Borrowing from The Man From Uncle?

THRUSH. The Technical Hierarchy for the Removal of Undesirables and Subjugation of Humanity. Damn! That does work!!

Except? This ain't fiction now, is it?

The problem they have with white people is that white people are the stewards of Christianity.
 

Replies: @James Speaks, @Mr. Cracker

The one thing standing in their way of attaining their goal is Christianity.

(Please allow me to digress for a moment. I am not a Christian: I don’t know the guy, never met him, and know very little about him.)
 

If, by your own admission, you "know very little about" Christianity then how do you know it's the one thing "standing in their way"? And who does their refer to?

I really have no reason to BS you or anyone else.
 

At the risk of boring you I will tell you why I don’t BS in as few words as possible.
 

However, if your intention was to parody a troll, you succeeded. Then again, in an age of absurdities, the line between parody and reality is often blurred. So, who knows?

Replies: @davidgmillsatty

Remember that Christianity is a spiritual kingdom.
It has existed under various political conditions in various countries that either have been sympathetic toward, indifferent to, or hostile to it. In fact, it thrived during the harsh, Roman persecutions. Hence it is in no need of a rescue by favorable political winds.
The God of the Bible, who brought to earth his gospel promise of pardon to sin-ridden men to transform their minds to trust his pardon from their coming Judgement Day, sees to the defense of his spiritual kingdom on earth.
Nevertheless, the obvious question which no one seems to be asking today is Gideon’s question: “If the Lord would be for us, why is all this happening to us?”
The obvious answer is: “The Lord is no longer for us. He is in a punishing mode: 1) against the vast majority who still reject his gospel pardon; and 2) against those who are Christian in name only.
Thus he is ratcheting up the current tyranny against citizens to punish them for their lack of repentance and of pardon belief. Only repentance and faith will put an end to God’s punishment. This is the “sign of the times” of which Christ spoke warningly; of which mankind today is failing to heed. Finally, the Almighty will send total, destroying war.

Replies: @davidgmillsatty

Christianity is not synonymus with a certain race.
It goes through the world, and offer to any colour it’s Gospel.
If you want to keep a certain race, with the help of the Gospel, you are doomed to fail.
A certain White race and Christianity, is not synonymus.
That said, I am all for nations.
But unfortunately, many in these have sold themselves to mammon.
And many moore now hope techne will solve and save the world.
These two are the strong powers the Scripture has warned all of you about!
Be Christian first!

Can you state which leaders of which european countries are drivers of this kill christianity campaign?

you have precisely described the situation at hand.

That might be what they are trying to do, but it does not make sense for them to do that.
They would be killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
Who would it benefit to have the white races destroyed? Nobody. Everybody has benefited from having White people around, so it would really be foolish for anybody to want to destroy them.
The worst thing of all is how many White people seem intent on destroying the White race. As if they would somehow benefit from nullifying their own existance? It doesn't make sense.
If Whites would allow themselves to be destroyed and would even willingly participate in their own destruction, well then maybe they don't deserve to survive?
That would sure be a sad loss to the world.

Replies: @Mr. Cracker

"against all odds"??? The Germans won the war over and over again , only to throw it away each time.

The only "odds" are the odds of yet another massive outbreak of average moron apoplexy. You are not competent to govern, or even to be governed. Hence "The System" will get rid of you, and Good Riddance too. Here's what the great German Reformer said about the Average German Moron:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_the_Murderous,_Thieving_Hordes_of_Peasants

Replies: @Ugetit

The Reichstag fire was indeed started by Communists, not 'the Nazis'.
see the facts here:
Fire in the Reichstag, By Peter Wainwright : https://codoh.com/library/document/1986/
and:
The Reichstag Fire - A False Flag?
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=11254
more at www.unz.com
https://www.unz.com/?s=reichstag&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

Replies: @Frank frank

He goes on and on about brown shirts and a whole four words with a link as some means of showing a different side of the story.
 

Replies: @BuelahMan

"Nazi Bashing" is a quick and easy way to earn social credit points in Jewmerica. Rasmussen has had run ins with Jewish Power, and likely he performing the obligatory groveling by bashing Germans. The truth here his that jews even during the Third Reich never had it so bad as "conservatives" do in the US.

I just hope that in my lifetime that the table is turned, and the jews become targets of perpetual and never ending insults, slurs and defamation.

Replies: @Munga Bulga

"Eric Rasmusen is an economist who has held an endowed chair at Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business and visiting positions at Harvard Law School, Yale Law School, the Harvard Economics Department, Chicago’s Booth School of Business, Nuffield College/Oxford, and the University of Tokyo Economics Department".....bla-bla-bla-bla!

Why not briefly.....Rasmusen is a brown nose to Jews, other wise no one will know him, included his mother?

U missed the point - the author was drawing an analogy and the Brownshirts helping the communist aided the comparison between the fire and Jan 6. For the purposes of this article no one cares who actually set the fire

Replies: @BuelahMan

Hitler and the people around them were witnessing the destruction of German culture, beliefs, and the impoverishment of the German people. They were witnessing the unleashing of pornography, the gays, transgenders and perverts, the filthy Jewish book's, later burned by the Students Union and the stealth of their land under the Versailles Agreement - largely engineered by the Jews.
They were witnessing the total commendeering of the press, law and Banking. They were also witnessing the twenty years of Bolsheviks in Russia - 84% which were Jews - and the destruction of religion..
They were aware of the Jewish treachery during the First World War

What a load of shit!
Antifa was led in!
Trump fooled his constituency.
Ok, he is a human, but so is Beria, and so forth.
Americans should impeach the Pelosi/Shumer-gang!

Replies: @BuelahMan

Congrats on being the first commenter in, as usually articles like the above are absolutely cosseted in trolls. I would have been little harder on the author but we all have to worry about being targeted when we disagree with the 'status quo.' That is just how it is. Fear has always been used to prevent the free expression of ideas and beliefs. It has always been used to suppress dissent. Best of Luck.

On another topic, why is it that people allow their governments to get away with the murder of old people by doing next to nothing to combat this virus. It has been about a year now and hospitals are beginning to overflow the world over. How can you possibly say your government acted in a reasonable and responsible manner as thousands of people die every single day? Where the fuck were they when thousands of people the world over knew and told them it was going to get bad like this? Oh yeah, they were squirming around in their toxic political worm holes thinking half about the virus and half wondering how it could benefit themselves politically. Like I said. Disgusting.
It will hit home soon, as it mutates and younger people start contracting and dying from it, and there is no room in hospitals for even them - the bright sparks of our future will be kicking grannies out of beds in a desperate effort to save their lousy selves. Best of luck Everyone.

Replies: @anon, @Commentator Mike

Goes to show that racist conservatives infest "the cause" and they are not truly revolutionaries. They are (generally) from the rotten cowardly socioeconomic class from which i hail my own origins, the middle class, the bourgeois.

Worst people you'll ever meet (if you meet the real them, which only fully emerges out of sight, in private). Scumbags, who only care about empty fake appearances and their bank statements. Oh, and Sportsball. And sacrificing their own children to die-versity. The types who, if already earning $500,000 per day, will do absolutely any-thing to earn an extra $5.00, even if it screws them in the long run.

Serious pro-Aryan racialists/heritage preserving heroes must identify the racist republicucks and ostracize them.

If things heat up and we finally wisely decide to cast aside the poison dogmas of legalism & pacifism to deliver actual counter-blows irl, then we can work with them, if they're willing (we'd need to first reject the presently widespread ideas that only "loons or feds" want to defend ourselves). But they cannot be allowed to be the leaders. They are conservatives. And the conservative is a spineless coward who inverts classical definition of "courage" to really mean cowardice, and praises himself for his "courage."

They're the swine Hitler wrote about from his experience recovering from being gassed by the British in a military hospital. Hitler encountered soldiers who said it was pointless to continue the war and that Germany ought to just surrender. They argued that they had discovered "true courage," which is being "humble/realistic" enough to throw in the towel against enemies who utterly despise everything about you and who are determined to annihilate you.

The leftist is weak, but many are driven by genuine but misguided idealism. Many have been grievously harmed by their own conservative families, who were/are self-obsessed small minded greedy bastards rather than loving caregivers. The true racialist might have more in common with the liberals (though many of them are irredeemable, we must learn from Hitler's mistakes...and the potential future "rehabilitated/deprogrammed" ex liberals ought not attain leadership either), but then again, oftentimes, conservatives are really just leftists who lack any sort of idealism.

Many of the (plethora) of traitors who infested & systematically sabotaged N.S. Germany were conservatives. There were also quite a few commies. Generally speaking, it's quite stunning how infested N.S. Germany was with the most shocking scoundrel traitors ever in history.

Quartermaster Wagner, for example, was in charge of ensuring winter clothing was delivered to the troops fighting the Bolsheviks before winter in 1941. He hated Hitler, yet hid that fact. He ensured that the clothing did NOT make it to the front, and then lied about it to Hitler, who he assured that the troops were receiving all the necessary gear. Trains were loaded up with useless crap (the few trains he allowed to reach the front).

For more info about that traitors within N.S. Germany read Richard Tedor's excellent "Hitler's Revolution" and David Irving's "Hitler's War." The former has more detail. Hitler and all Aryans paid dearly for Hitler's failure to emulate Comrade Soso aka Koba aka Stalin.

If the masks work—Why the six feet?

If the six feet works—Why the masks?

If both of the above work—Why the lockdowns?

If all three of the above work—Why the vaccine?
 

Of course, it may be that they tone down the propaganda a bit after they get everyone to be vaccinated, on pain of not being allowed to work, travel or get out of their own house. Then the "pandemic will end", provided that everyone vaccinates with an "update" every year or every six months. "The vaccine cured COVID", they will say then. And prepare us for the "next virus", or perhaps it will be "global warming" or a "cyber attack" next time. Let those who believe, believe it.

Replies: @the grand wazoo

If the masks work—Why the six feet? For extra protection, the measures complement each other.
If the six feet works—Why the masks? Idem
If both of the above work—Why the lockdowns? Idem, but they must not drag on. It is time to open businesses after vaccinating many elderlies or vulnerable persons in general.
If all three of the above work—Why the vaccine? To return to normalcy faster than without vaccines.
If the vaccine is safe—Why protect it with a no liability clause? The vaccines authorised are tested and safe. However, their true efficacy is to be seen. I hope they are all effective!
If the vaccine is safe—Why not test it on animals first before using it on humans? The vaccine’s aim is to immunize humans, not other animals.
If the vaccine is safe—Why did Tiffany Dover, a healthy 30-year-old nurse, faint 17 minutes after receiving the vaccine? Is Tiffany Dover dead? Why are so many other people having adverse reactions and dying from the vaccine? Millions have been vaccinated. A tiny minority may not feel after the vaccination but that doesn’t mean, the discomfort is caused by the vaccine.

If successful vaccines have never been developed for other coronaviruses—Why should we expect a successful vaccine for this coronavirus? The MERS and SARS pandemics ended fast, didn’t bring the world to its knees, so there was no need or much funding for vaccine development.

If SARS-CoV-2 exists—Why has it never been isolated? It has been isolated many times https://fullfact.org/health/Covid-isolated-virus/
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/the-virus-that-causes-covid-19-exists-and-was-identified-and-isolated-multiple-times-by-independent-research-groups/
If SARS-CoV-2 has never been isolated—How can an effective vaccine be developed? Idem

If the RT-PCR test works—Why so many false positives? https://fullfact.org/health/Covid-isolated-virus/ Covid-19 PCR tests are generally very accurate.

If there is an epidemic—Why so many empty hospitals?
This doesn’t look empty https://i.redd.it/9x412a77v6h41.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7lHNy7NBsY

If large numbers of people are dying from SARS-CoV-2—Why so many fake causes of death on the death certificates? Are flu deaths being recharacterized as COVID-19 deaths? A

If the official COVID-19 narrative is defensible—Why censor people who dispute this narrative? The major problem with immature spoiled people denying the deadliness of the Wuhan virus is that they uphold the complete lack of measures, they object to every measure. They are as extreme & narrow-minded as those who preach that we should stay home around the clock. Pandemics have happened many times in the past and they are managed by use of masks, lockdowns etc. Too much paranoia and too much don't-give-a-damn attitude lead to excess deaths and extension of lockdowns.

Replies: @John Wear, @Anon, @Peripatetic Itch, @Gray

Hoffman LaRoche bought the patents on the PCR tests for 300 mill and since have made over 2 billion on them- Kari Mullis died of pneumonia - in August - --- in August, a atypical month for Pneumonia.

Replies: @John Wear

I add: Why call a sub-epidemic a "pandemic"? And why hold P.R. of China culpable when they are the state with the most to lose? The state with the most to gain, U.S.A., almost simultaneously sent 300 military people to the Wuhan district and convened a modeling/rehearsal exercise for management of a "pandemic." This medical martial law has made possible the coup we are undergoing, and stands to make possible the finalization of the comprehensive police-surveillance state and the seizure of all wealth by the architects and activists of "the New World Order." This false medical crisis is the linchpin of the whole catastrophic crushing of historical civilization. The wonder of it is that there prove to be enough supposedly educated people who subordinate their critical faculties to the propaganda media.

People need to know the original SARS virus that killed around 8000+ people back in 2003 (which suddenly disappeared in 8 months) has also NEVER BEEN ISOLATED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2__DH26S6Kk

It's ALL a hoax people.

If the creator of the PCR cautioned against its use to diagnose infectious diseases, and the PTB never release the number of cycles required before the 'positive' result appears, why do the MSM presstitutes increasingly refer to it as 'the gold standard'? After all they are the truth-tellers, selflessly toiling to protect us from lies and disinformation.

David Graeber's death seems pretty suspicious to me, also. He'd be raising a ruckus about what the 1% is currently doing to the 99% right now.

“Kaufman repeatedly tells his viewers that viruses are not a cause of human diseases. Through watching hours and hours of video, hie deny the existence of the viruses behind the common cold, polio, HIV-AIDS, viral hepatitis, chickenpox, COVID-19, and measles.”https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3439&v=_v2XWuPY09M&feature=youtu.be
To him–Scientists are actually detecting “exosomes,”

He is a psychiatrist but is also a crazy guy and not a benevolent one ( from S Carolina and Duke , New York State University upstate. ) and confirms he is not a crackpot {I doubt} .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2607&v=x526Y0_NV6I&feature=youtu.be&has_verified=1--- Appendicitis is nothing but constipation also has strong negative attitude to psychiatric medication and apparently he is an expert witness and business entrepreneur .
He thinks that before vaccine these diseases disappeared and because of improved living condition car ,good road, good bathroom, etc etc…. May be he should go to third world countries and …

Problem exists but before believing someone ,we would be better advised that fraudster snake charmer ,neocons , and magicians can offer a lot of solutions until the problems get worse when they come back and say that you have not followed his or her advices fully as told. They never offer you pure culture of lies ( like the pure petridish of one kind of virus or bacteria ) . They always mix with a bit of realities and truths. Half truth is worst than a full lie .

Kaufman does raise many the valid concerns but some of them have been addressed already and some of them some are the purview of the health policy , big pharma ,corruption, institutional mindset and a culture that believes :” There must be something . How can there be no medicine ? This is America.” Like any discipline ,medicine is vulnerable to misuse corruption and stupidity . But throwing words like “Holistic ,natural , healing, meditation ,and some new words are not nothing but diversionary tactics to hide the dishonesty inconsistency and biases or faiths rather than elaborate on the science and its limitations.

He also makes a lot of false claims ( brain biochemistry and human emotion ,thoughts behaviors ) and infers a lot of things in a way that suits his biases . He also sues part of commonality and then jumps to a different invalid conclusion .

He also believes in demon and demon possession can be a factor for some of the mental illness —https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=3257&v=IM-PPfHDRYU&feature=youtu.be

Stay away from him .

Replies: @John Wear

Those days are gone when someone will inoculate an organism into a human or into himself to find if this Koch postulate is true and thus have to satisfy the Golden rule. Koch postulate is true but not binding . We cant inject some one with HIV or Ebola but we can see the high transmission in those exposed as a substitute which means infectivity of worst degree .

Second this postulate doesn’t hold true entirely. I can be a carrier of Typhoid or Flu or Corona . I can have genetic resistance to HIV . That means a lot of people will not develop the disease . Some infection remain silent for life like Chiken Pox virus in never root but some gets Shingles in old age . Other than very few like Rabies or Ebola no other virus are 100% percent infective.

Some never develop certain fungal infection unless they are immune -compromised -unhealthy taht means healthy people despite exposure do not develop . For Koch, he has no way back then to know these .Some infections affect only children ,some only pregnant female . some only elderly
Ethinicty ,species geography and coevolution with viruses /bacteria and fungi also influence immunity to these agents . It is complex and no longer as simple as Koch wants to make it sound .

An exosome looks entirely different from a corona virus in a scanning electron microscope . Exosome does not cause pandemic .It is normal phenomena of cell biology – communication, ridding of toxin, liberation of flow of DNA RNA lipid and other chemicals between cell and other cell or intercellular spaces – are mediated and now being used for focussed drug delivery . One example is —“taxol-filled exosomes can be used to treat cancers in mice at 50-fold lower doses than conventional treatments, with the additional benefit that exosomes do not invoke an immune response”.

RT-PCR is used to diagnose whose DNA/RNA known not a new virus whose genetic structure is not yet known – in the later case one has to follow a different method .

‘The polymerase chain reaction (PCR) (1,2) has been used as the new gold standard for detecting a wide variety of templates across a range of scientific specialties, including virology. The method utilises a pair of synthetic oligonucleotides or primers, each hybridising to one strand of a double-stranded DNA (dsDNA) target, with the pair spanning a region that will be exponentially reproduced.”

One can’t have a primer unless one knows the genetic sequence or the identity of the virus..

Virus-specific PCR methods may not amplify the new viral genome . cDNA-amplified restriction fragment–length polymorphism technique (cDNA-AFLP4) is used to identify in this situation and SARS was identified this way in 2003 -2004 .

Replies: @John Wear

An electron microscope cannot show a virus, neither the SARS-CoV-2, nor the influenza virus for that matter, because it is too small and moves too fast.

There exist no photograph of a water molecule, because its dimensions are too small too, in the order of less than 1 Angstrom (10^-10 meters), but nobody would doubt that water exists and that its molecule has the shape of a round Mickey-like face with two ears.

https://biology-forums.com/gallery/18099_20_09_14_9_11_40.jpeg

The existence and shape of the water molecule is proven by other means. A snowflake (water crystal made of assembled molecules) observed under a microscope always shows the characteristic circa-120-degree angle formed by the 3 atoms composing the molecule, as predicted by Physics theory.

https://cdn7.dissolve.com/p/D1267_11_609/D1267_11_609_1200.jpg

Sequencing is used to identify the various components of the virus, and crystallography to put them together to obtain its overall structure, i.e. the three-dimensional arrangement of its components.

Virus crystallography is very difficult to obtain, but Chinese scientist teams have still managed to do so for SARS -Cov2. France's Professor Raoult recently showed one of this crystallography-derived Covid virus structures on a video discussing mutant strains.

Here is another job by Western scientists, where they similarly applied crystallography methods to depict Covid's main spike protein:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETboDySX0AYZ43c.jpg

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.17.20037713v1
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1240432285184405505.html

Replies: @John Wear, @Alfred, @CanSpeccy

Very convoluted disjointed speech or argument .Dangerous also .

Replies: @John Wear

I really has to listen to it at least 20 times though I did not the entire audio .
This MD 20 yrs back as student looking at a screen where electron microscopic (EM) slides of an intracellular bacteria are projected ( but she then confuses us )

Lets tear apart her BS

1 As a medical student who has gone through undergrad biology to qualify for med school , she should have known that Toxin are not live and They don't' reproduce . Why did not she raise that nonsensical claim of her teacher ?

She tells us her teacher : " showed us definitely an electron microscopy without doubt it was mechanical looking it very robotic we cant comprehend because we did not have cell phone then "

WTF? why do you need cell phone knowledge to understand a picture of EM? EM is 40 plus yrs old ( BTW during school ,med students are supposed to learn gross and microscopic morphology not EM )
Is she projecting her concerns back to 20 yrs ago from current vintage point? That also doesn’t make sense . Cell phone technology has no relevance to understand even now . Was she thinking of "non -existent "cell phone or nano tech back then ? God on ly knows.

She tells us
- her teacher : " was putting all these slides on the screen " She tells us, " we saw a picture that was clearly man made” How does a medical student will know if the morphology slides were natural or effects of human intervention? If it were a drawing by hand instead of the projection of the slides on the wall , the drawings should be on the projector and not coming from under the microscope . But she told she she was viewing a slide on a bacteria . What part was man made? Her teacher informed that certain part of the picture was Toxin . Now one can’t see toxin unless one dyes or uses antibody . Again the details are missing and they are missing in a way that leaves one unimpressed and confused .

She says I looked up references . they are 100 of them They are all gone How could she look up if they are gone ? Or is she saying that she saw them 20 yrs ago as medical students and now they are gone? Or is she saying that citations are there but inside the citations some materials or pictures or both are gone?How does she know those are gone? Is her 20 yr's old memory is still vivid and photographic ?

Still assuming the microscope slides looked robot like, cartoon like, mechanical like, whatever her impression was - question is this why does it matter? She is not yet an expert How does she know what the EM will look like ? Why does she need to have a knowledge of Nano or Cell phone to understand any EM picture or slides or drawings of a bacteria?

Now I am not doubting about her suspicion that biowarfare is something that the microbiologist virologist and scents with Government have engaged .

Is this virus a bioweapon? I don't know . But not the vaccine. It may work It may not.It can cause unknown side effects .Yes it can ,but the vaccine makers even don't know that unless they have engineered something and introduced in the vaccine that is separate from mRNA . Disclosures--( I have taken the vaccine and so far fine ) .

Does nano material cause physical problems? Yes. It can and it has . But I dint have evidence that what been introduced in this “Bio engineered virus or the Vaccine”. We also know we carry clips, metals ,magnets, stimulators ,wires, shunts ,electrical sources in our body to cure, prevent or ameliorate a lot of medical problems . We have been doing it for last 30 yrs or so.

By conflating the bewildering experience of this pandemic with other possibilities ,we are neglecting the enormity of this pandemic . Person like her and Dr Kaufamn are not helping .

She tells us that she never questioned her teacher excepting on this occasion and she did her own research as a medical student . That tells us something!

First of all 20 yrs ago the internet resources were not that easily available as it is today . Class and books were more important for learning and passing . Second how does one do his her own research at the entry level? For to do research ,you have to know what you want to do ,what you are looking and what for . Medical students curricula are pretty well stablished and research has zero relevance unless someone is doing also research ( biological ) at that time separately.

Replies: @John Wear

Do you think Dr. Madej is either lying or imagining what she heard at this medical conference
 

Replies: @Herald

I will try to get to that point. Is it at 42-43 min location?

Vaccine is new product. Some will develop anaphylaxis , some might develop delayed immunological problem and some might simply die same time because at any second many number of people would be dying any where in the world .

But hundred of thousands have enrolled and fished through the entire trial . Its now more than 8 months since the first enrollment began. By this time it should have provided us some information about the nature of the adverse effects .

Again I believe that bioweapon is real and is ongoing .Bill Gates is not a benevolent force of change . Institutions become lazy and people do get corrupt. Corporate if sees profit wont hesitate to kill millions innocent .

Replies: @John Wear

Yes people have tried to patent gene in plant in animal in human . It doesn’t mean the company own my gene or someone else but if patent goes through , he might claim any use in research or the protein product have should go through his company .( how he will I don’t know . Genetic map is available in most countries now . People are working in genes all over the world without facing any lawsuit ) Can someone find the gene ( usually simple Mendelian ) for diseases and can patent ? Possible . But the world at large won’t allow .



Smart Phones with biosensor :description of Suzi and Brenda very much plausible
Physiological and behavioral manifestation can be picked up - voices or facial changes or physiological parameters can all be picked up and synthesized into numerical data or can be color coded or can be categorized into certain behavioral domains . It is scary .
Surveillance society on steroid with help of AI .

Government is not doing it , that claim will be a lie .

Remember we have technology to put thoughts into our head that’s not our own .
We have system to have our own thoughts get transmitted to mechanical arm or leg .
We can also transfer thought from one brain to another .

Yes , it’s not an Orwellian but a Aldous Huxley ‘s world .

How to make sure that these get vetted , reviewed and monitored by citizen and by expert . It also means uplifting of science education not downgrading as the culture now does .

If USA doesn’t , other country might and use against other while harnessing the ethical medical potential for itself .


So here is her problem , again mixing the dark with the light , mixing good with bad . That applies to Kaufman . [ She has not seen a Tetanus pt and has not seen Koch postulates on Tetunus

so she believes it doesn’t exist and vaccine doesn’t need to be administered ] She should visit 3 rd world countries and see mothers dying from it , farmers dying, neonates dying . She is joined by Kaufman who says : I have not seen Hepatitis B , Mumps , Measles”, when this lady says @ I have seen mumps ‘ his answer - were there are reports . She then fumbles and says : well we kind of looked into it and it met the criteria .

Yes man , you possibly has not seen a throbbing heart or lung in open chest and possibly has not seen cases of pulmonary embolism or DIC or TTP and has not status epileptics or malaria or TB . It doesn’t mean they don’t exist.


How could she get away with saying Tetanus does not exist or we dont need vaccine .

Also yes, 3 D printing has generated possibility of tissue and organ generation .


About abortion medicine or ingredients in tetanus vaccine ——I don’t know . I hoped she would have left us with some links .

Replies: @John Wear

Sorry ,I don't have to keep on trying to fight with her reasoning . You train in down town LA or Milwaukee or in Bronx or in Downstate or Chicago cook county or Detroit Receiving hospitals .You see patients that you will unlikely to see in Cornell or Mt Sinai or Harvard -MGH ever in life . You work in African countries and you see diseases that will never show up in USA .
I simply don't' believe that no-one explained to her about tetanus in her MD school or later doing her residency . People would have possibly figured out that she is nut case .

Replies: @John Wear

She is worse than a nut case. Tetanus is often an emergency .Patient with tetanus who are a admitted will end up in ICU and be under ventilation and sedation . A medical resident may never see the case ,let alone a student .It is the purview of the sub -specialty of Infectious disease . Hardly 50 patients are seen in USA .

Tetanus like polio is almost eliminated in USA. It is seen mostly in sub Saharan Africa.

If you happen talk to her ,ask her simple question - does a disease disappear or does a disease become a phony non -existent illness simply because she has never seen it and none around her has .

Replies: @John Wear, @Fox

Why dont you visit a public library and check out a book on internal medicine or log in to pubmed for articles or visit NIH library .
You can also do a simple google search .

Replies: @John Wear

Here's just one but I'm sure you can find many more:

Tetanus: a review of the literature
https://bjanaesthesia.org/article/S0007-0912(17)36647-3/abstract

There are an estimated 800 000–1000 000 deaths from tetanus each year.
 

These are the best and the only sources. So wait until they open. Meanwhile stop listening to dumb videos .

Finally -- someone else who's read the reports of many real doctors/scientists … that there is NO sample of this virus in any bio-lab anywhere in the world.

Like you said -- they have a few fragments of a 'ghost in the machine' -- and all of the rest of the 'blanks' in the 30,000 odd parts of the 'whole' virus are just speculation and/or filled in by best guesses via either doctors or AI.

Dr. Yeadon said back in December that the 'pandemic' is functionally over … Trump was booted out of the White House -- but, apparently, that's not enough for TPTB … they want the whole sandwich with full control via the great reset.

Replies: @Herald

That is what immediately pegged my B.S. meter past 10... if they haven't isolated the original virus how do they even know there is mutated variant?

Replies: @Liza

The “virus” has not been physically isolated, and thus can’t be proven to exist
 

But "no virus!" should be equated to "no planes!" - could be, but some valid substantiation is *required*.

Kindly try here or here, say, or try chatting with GISAID itself.

Kindly explain ~500,000+ dead in the US alone - or kindly get lost, same to any other "no virus" idiots disgracing UR. rgds

Replies: @Peripatetic Itch, @Ugetit

I am currently reading Peter Gotzsche's "Deadly Medicines and Organized Crime: How Big Pharma Has Corrupted Healthcare" (2013). The book documents how already in 2013 there was a substantial history of what you complain of: Big Pharma setting up research studies in such a way as to discredit alternative treatments.

I'm not sure when this interview took place, but it was posted over the weekend. Dr. Reiner Fuellmich and his team talk with Dr. Astrid Stuckelberger. She describe's 1) how every country in the world except the US and Iran have previously committed to following WHO guidelines/recommendations during a declared pandemic. So that's how they got every country to use the same PCR test with the same flaws, etc. Second, it seems that GAVI (aka Bill Gates) has diplomatic immunity in Switzerland and is therefor pretty much immune to prosecution because no search warrants can be executed on its computers etc. Interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=qti_OblaeE8&fbclid=IwAR1fkBevLAUrwN9jN4CpeVmgm7U2eHhvrFbT1CDvSxHJCBztTCpr3rvcS_8

I haven't heard recently what's happening with Fuellmich's suit in Germany. The most recent video on his YouTube channel is 3 months old. Perhaps I should check Bitchute or BrandNewTube.

Replies: @Skeptikal, @Alfred

"Not only a miracle vaccine for Covid but also for cancer, heart disease and even old age. Nobody seems to die of these ailments any more."

Nor from that other great killer of yestermonth...'Islamoterrorism'. A remarkable track record for such a benign virus.

Not just that, but who's got it anyway?

Well qualified Kiwi good looker explains uses and abuses of PCR testing...
She's all class...compared with their bought "PM", the NZ Melbourne Cup filly entry...

Why Are Covid-19 Cases Soaring In NZ? PCR Test Update 🕵
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcONxyAJ8S4

Covid-19: Who Fact-Checks the Fact-Checkers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5dWbxwoCZI

and
Dr. Mullis on the PCR tests he invented
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hae2ha-uMtk&feature=youtu.be

"If the masks work—Why the six feet?

If the six feet works—Why the masks"
No contradiction -- neither works perfectly - that's admitted.
"If both of the above work—Why the lockdowns?"
Again neither are perfect (nor are lock down so unless done right)
"If successful vaccines have never been developed for other coronaviruses—Why should we expect successful vaccines for this coronavirus?"
Very good question.
Why censor? Good question. The authorities have ZERO patience for contradiction (ie their fascist instincts are growing by the day).
Control the narrative -- where I am you virtually NEVER here any contradiction of the narrative.

If people know the vaccines are dangerous why are they taking the vaccines ?

People have an inherent desire to believe and risk their lives on that belief. They think that a well dressed expert in a $3000 suit with calm soothing words and reams of research has their welfare at heart.

These gullible individuals stake their lives on the roll of a loaded dice !

Know that they all lie and stay alive.

Replies: @Badger Down

Excellent!
In 1984 a vaccine was developed to combat canine coronavirus, which was said to be decimating dogs. Turns out that claim came from the pharmaceutical company literature, but veterinarians weren't finding that dogs were being unduly affected. One veterinarian dubbed it a "vaccine looking for a disease."

Average Jane and Joe aren't very bright. They're not stupid, but a blizzard of statistics has them well confused. Eventually they give up trying to figure it out and just go with what the President, or the Surgeon General, or Dr Who, or, or Bill Gates says. A 0.3% chance of serious illness or a 5 per thousand chance of rather serious side-effects? How can they figure that out?

"The government declares that the currency is legal tender and must be accepted as payment on any debt." Not just that, it demands that you pay your 'debts' to it in said currency thus creating demand.

"The only way Ghislaine is likely to get a fair trial, is to move the event to Tel Aviv."

Couldn't agree more. By having the trial in Tel Aviv, the key, most crucial witness can finally be compelled to testify: Jeffrey Epstein.

Replies: @Marckus

You nailed it! Everybody is after poor Jews! Mind you, not Russians, Chinese, Serbs, but God's chosen people! Don't they have any shame!

"Perhaps, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell are being unfairly targeted because they are Jewish”
There is no “perhaps” about it! The outrage is compounded by the fact that Ghislaine is a 3rd generation Holocaust Survivor. Wikipedia tells us about her father, may his name be remembered!: "Most members of Maxwell's family died in Auschwitz after Hungary was occupied in 1944 by Nazi Germany, but he had years earlier escaped to France.”
Her father escaped alone when he was 15 but the rest of his family were turned into soap. I hope her defense attorneys can be trusted to bring this up.
No, she should not be tried in Israel! She should be tried in a Galut court so the Goyim can demonstrate that they have learned to overcome their anti-semitism by acquiting her!
The jury should not be Jewish, it should be made up of Goyim, each of whom had met and befriended a nice Jew at one time, the surest anti-semitism vaccine (as Collin beautifully illustrated in an unforgettable life experience of his own he shared on another thread).

Replies: @Tony Hall

She could be a JINO, Jew In Name Only. hehe. I will give her this much, she looks more Semitic than Ralph Malph.

The only way Ghislaine is likely to get a fair trial, is to move the event to Tel Aviv. If convicted, she should be sentenced to serve time on a gigantic yacht, floating about various desirable spots around the world.
 

Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

The cult of 'antisemitism' completely concurs. ANY accusation against ANY Jew ANYWHERE,even if witnessed by many, and backed by plain evidence, is EVERYWHERE and ALWAYS simply 'the Oldest Hatred' manifest yet again. Another 'Blood Libel' prompted by mere jealousy and bitter regret at not being born 'Chosen'.

Replies: @Dave Bowman

oyvey, you opened my eyes pharisee.
now i will forever worship your god and who the fuck cares about the pharisee led Palestinian holocaust anymore?
Not me🙄
Because All us goyims are dumb.
/s

John 8:44
Young's Literal Translation
44 `Ye are of a father -- the devil, and the desires of your father ye will to do; he was a man-slayer from the beginning, and in the truth he hath not stood, because there is no truth in him; when one may speak the falsehood, of his own he speaketh, because he is a liar -- also his father.

☦
The ones that are NOT lukewarm see right trough you pharisee🤗

Satire: no?

Replies: @Just another serf

As soon as you see the phrase "Judeo-Christian" you know you're dealing with a liar.

Read Romans 2:28-29 and compare with Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. After Christ’s birth, death, and resurrection born again Christians are the real Jews, God’s chosen people. Many claiming to be Jews are not, but serve Satan and the fallen angels. Even Louis Farrakhan knows the difference.

"...a history over thousands of years of this kind of despicable anti-Jewish sentiment. "

Why has that "happened"?

That's a whole lot of negative energy expended over thousands of years, in scores of nations, by millions of different people. It's incredibly unique, no such history for any other peoples can begin to compare.

muh anti-Semitism. Da Jooz have been persecuted for 6 gorillion years, waaa, waaa, waaa.

The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you is more like it. From my perch and I have 20/20 vision and try my best to stay unbiased and respect the truth, the Jew is ALWAYS the one doing the oppressing. In the modern world the Germans welcomed the Jew with open arms and how did the Jew return the German's kindness? By stabbing the Germans in the back and turning Germany into a filthy, poverty stricken, perverted nation until a guy with a funny moustache came along and turned Germany around in a mere 5 years.

And do we really have to talk about what the Jews did in the Soviet Union? Jews being persecuted? LMAO. And we don't have to look back when we have present day Jewry slaughtering Palestinians, stirring up wars in the Middle East aka The Greater Israel Project, and their seedy, filthy roles in promoting filth, lies, deceit, anti-White racism, sexual perversion, etc., etc., in the media, Hollywood, the porn industry, the music industry, books, magazines, etc. Btw, none of the filth they promote in White nations is being promoted in Israel, go figure that one out. I think it is time for Israel to embrace a multiracial society and experience filthy porn featuring Jewish females embracing Black African males. Whatcha think?

And it is just yet another COHENcidence that this honey pot pedophile sex operation was run by Jews and all the VICTIMS just happened to be White Gentile females. Oy vey, the Jews have suffered for 6,000,000 gorillion years.

Oh, we poor J's, we're such victims. A jew strikes you and cries out in pain himself!

You're 1000% correct. Without regard to guilt or innocence Israel affords sanctuary to any jew whether a: murderer, child raping pedophile, embezzler or common banker criminal. Yea for Israel. Until 1948 jews had to stand trial like a regular goy. Can't have that. Can we? The chosen are exempt.

Sarcasm, obviously . Problem is, that's exactly what will happen.

But the victims, in their entirety, are not Jewish and that's why this trial is happening.

In fact, in Judaism, specifically Leviticus 25: 44-46 among other places, it states that Israelites (Jews) may be as ruthless as they desire with non-Israelites (Goy) but must treat fellow Israelites (Jews) with the 10 Commandments. Under such context, it would be difficult to expect a fair trial for the victims within the confines of the conditions you prescribe.

You just flouted the first commandment of our politically correct age: "Thou shalt not mention patterns!".

Pure evil is as pure evil does.

America has been Israhells biatch for a very long time.

In his magisterial series in the Dearborn Independent titled "The International Jew," Henry Ford offered this interesting prediction/parallel drawn from his own times (early 1920s):
"Jews have pretty well taken over New York, so if you wonder what might happen to the entire United States if the Jews took it all over ... you'd have New York. Everywhere."
Says it all, for me. Now as then. The International Jew. It's online. Consider reading it.

Replies: @Zoom-Copter

Well, I suppose if it was published on the venerable Unz review, it must be true and the matter is settled.

Replies: @John Wear, @Colin Wright

I hope that Anon from TN and others locked into the Hollywood/Court Historian world-view would take time to investigate your material, JW.

Easy to do, Ron Unz has made it available on this site.

I have been reading for ~20 years on first half of the bloodstained C20, from Herzl's 1897 Zionist Declaration (a significant kick-off date imho) and am still a student ... masses of real information are available on all aspects ... I was years reading on Barbarossa ... several years on the economic "miracle" (Feder etc) and e.g. Kraft durch Freud prog ... tsar Nikolai II Romanov/family ... the "Russian" revolution financed by a Jewish banker in NYC ...

I was fortunate to come on AJP Taylor, followed by David Irving fairly early, reading into debates abt "What is History ?" allowed me to discard many Court Historians.

RU readers --
Almost everything we have been told by western govts/media is false.
Please take time to do proper research.
Do not make a fool of yourself by posting of your knowledge of the inner thoughts of world leaders or what they said in secret.
People will just laugh at you, and you will have deserved it.

Replies: @Arthur MacBride, @AnonFromTN

{" I think this book is very convincing...."}

Actually Rezun's (aka Suvorov (sic)) latest book "Why Copernicus was Wrong: the Sun Does Rotate Around the Earth" is even more convincing. Rezun apparently somehow gained access to secret Soviet and Vatican archives to finally prove what many of us suspected all along, despite the lies we have been told all this time.

Replies: @L.K

Mr Wear, I have not read VS books, which in the opinion of others were an interesting read but did not reflect actual facts.

If the Red Army was massing for an assault upon established German lines, why was the
Wehrmacht able to make massive gains in less than ninety days, along a front of 1200 miles??

If in fact the Red Army was preparing for a western campaign, their best forces and equipment would have been stationed near the demarcation line. Moreover, Moscow was fully aware of Wehrmacht military build up alone the Polish border.

If an invasion of Germany had been a strategic plan, why not launch an attack after the
Wehrmacht assault on France and Benelux countries??

Replies: @John Wear

Mr Wear, I read approximately 80% of your first chapter and found you do not make your case, with any creditable evidence. In fact, a large portion of the missive had little or nothing to do with why Hitler attack first. There was also extensive points that were miss leading or nonfactual.

Any reader would become suspect immediately, with your pronouncement that the CCCP had not only the best military in world but was the acme of combat equipment.

What is needed is more supporting evidence in forms of offense planning documents and high ranking officers corroborating your theory. Only a single general and a low ranking GPU officer, both with little or no access to top secret plans.

Let's go directly to the first source himself.

http://der-fuehrer.org/meinkampf/english/Mein%20Kampf%20(Ford%20Translation).pdf

[444]

"State frontiers are made by men and changed by men. The fact that a nation successfully gains an immense territory does not establish a holy right to keep it for eternity. Gaining this territory only proves the might of the conquerors and the weakness of those who tolerate them. This strength alone establishes the right to keep the territory."

[449]

"Therefore, the formation of a new alliance with Russia would lead in the direction of a new war and the result would be the end of Germany.

Additionally, we must also consider the following.1. The present rulers of Russia have no intention of entering into a genuine alliance or of honoring itif they did. We must not forget that the rulers of present day Russia are bloodstained common criminals. We are dealing with the scum of humanity who used the conditions of a tragic hour to overrun a large state, kill and root out millions of its leading intellectuals in a wild thirst for blood, and now, for almost ten years, they have exercised the cruelest tyranny of all times."

Not only did Hitler predict his own demise but showed his absolute disdain and contempt for Bolsheviks. There was no room for co-existence with Stalin and his gang of Communist vagabonds. The Polish Treaty was merely window dressing.

Replies: @John Wear

Look, I don’t need to read every book claiming that the Earth is flat to know that it’s not true. I don’t need to read every treatise on perpetuum mobile to know that it’s BS. We are not sequoias, we don’t live long enough to read every scrap of BS published. Similarly, I don’t need to read the whole Rezun’s book personally to know that it’s a load of old cobblers.

Author’s credibility. A person who voluntarily joined the communist party, voluntarily joined GRU in 1947, and then voluntarily became a traitor has zero credibility.

These “theories” (which are not Rezun’s, but Hitler’s and Goebbels’) were debunked many times (e.g., see comment # 345 and many others in this thread). The “documents” Rezun “quotes” are mostly figments of his imagination. When Rezun mentions anything true, like that the USSR built numerous airfields within 200 kilometers of Germany-occupied lands, he conveniently fails to mention that it was a small fraction of the airfields the USSR built at that time all over its territory. Considering that 2/3 of the territory was virtually uninhabited (huge Siberia, except for the southernmost part), this did not represent any significant concentration of the airfields in that area. Thus, you can selectively state the truth in a way that makes it a lie. Propagandists used this trick for centuries.

Replies: @John Wear

For starters I would just go with Suvorov's claim that Stalin figured out between 1924 and 1927 that Hitler and the Nazis would rise to power.

He had Mein Kampf translated into Russian and predicted all the events that actually happened in the late 1930s in 1927. And so it was Stalin that supported him and orchestrated and manipulated elections in Germany in 1933 and was pulling the strings all the way until 1941.

And you know I'm not making that up.

Jus sayin

Replies: @John Wear

Most major public libraries have “The Chief Culprit.”
 

This just shows who pays the musicians and therefore calls the tune. Would have further undermined the credibility, if there were a way down from zero.

Replies: @John Wear, @Fox

John Wear, you are dealing with a Russian Internet activist, he does not give a damn about any facts at odds with "the great patriotic war" propaganda. To give you just an idea of what a complete intellectual delinquent AnonFromTn is, he claims the Germans shot the Poles at Katyn, and that the Wehrmacht lost more men fighting for the Pavlov's house than during the entirety of the French campaign in 1940! This is just not a serious person.

So, Anon hates Rezun, okay, Anon is a Russian, so fluent in Russian, why does he not get some of the Russian authors who never defected, some even with pro Soviet tendencies, who researched the partially opened archives and came roughly to the same conclusions as Suvorov? Because he is not interested in the truth at all. Just a cheap internet propagandist.

For example, Albert Weeks is a US historian & former Professor of International Affairs, fluent in Russian, who has closely followed the Russian historians' disputes which arose [after the fall of the Soviet Union and the partial opening of archives] over the Stalin regime's offensive war plans against NS Germany. Despite being very ignorant of the German side, basically repeating the usual anti-Hitler line, professor Weeks nevertheless concedes that several Russian historians and former Red Army and intel veterans have reached the conclusion that Stalin was indeed planning to attack.
Not only that but several of these Russian historians and military people have/had connections to the Russian Ministry of Defense and some are of a pro-Soviet inclination:

Nevertheless, what the researchers have produced is a pattern of Red Army deployments and concentration of troops along the Soviet western frontier in spring 1941 that strongly suggests that the General Staff and Stalin were planning eventually to get the preemptive jump on the Wehrmacht. The fact that in addition to Russian historians a number of informed ex–Red Army or security officers make this allegation cannot be ignored. As it turned out, of course, the Germans got the jump on the Soviets. ...

it is significant and worth recognizing that a number of “new” Russian historians are opting for the offensist interpretation as to Stalin’s and the Red Army General Staff’s war planning on the eve of Barbarossa. In the meantime, it is unhelpful to assume, as some Western writers have, that these Russian historians take the positions they do, like the notions proffered so vehemently by émigré Viktor Suvorov, because they blindly hate Stalin or for some other reasons unrelated to the facts and documents that they have collected.

Note that some of the historians of the offensist persuasion are connected with the Russian Ministry of Defense. Others (unlike the much despised Suvorov) show pro-Soviet tendencies in their interpretations of events. Yet they hew to the offensist thesis concerning Stalin war planning.15
It behooves Western specialists and observers to pay attention to the Russian historians’ latest findings as well as to their interpretations of their findings. The Russian historians say that they will keep on pressing the authorities for more archives to be opened because, they insist, additional top-secret information from the period of 1939–41 continues to be kept concealed. ...

Source: Stalin's other war
 

Replies: @Patrick McNally, @Zarathustra

Suvorov's first book The Liberators portrayed the Soviet army that he knew so well as perma-inebriated. disorganized and poorly motivated peasants led by arrogantly mediocre at best officers. Some German Cold War generals believed in view of the low quality troops a Soviet 5:1 superity would not be enough especially as they had rigid comand and control methods. Many more observers in the 80's thought a Soviet conventional offensive would end in a massive traffic jam as the Soviets tank divisions' vast logistical tail would become gridlocks in what was by then a highly built up North West European Plain. Away, Suvorov's book did little to bolster the idea of a threat of the USSR attempting to use its--on paper-- decisive superiority , and did not go down well with either with his new paymasters or the militaria readers. Changing tack, he started writing about a Soviet war machine, which was not only King Kong in terms of the quantity of armaments, but also a true master of Machiavellian manipulation and behind the lines operations including proxy terrorism and strategic assassination's to soften up the West before the hostilities officially began by swarms of absolutely sober soldiers of Olympic athleticism who knew no fear:

http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/13.html
Maskirovka means everything relating to the preservation of secrets and to giving the enemy a false idea of the plans and intentions of the Soviet high command. Maskirovka has a broader meaning than 'deception' and 'camouflage' taken together. [...] In the preparation of a strategic operation the GUSM's most important task is to ensure that the operation is totally unexpected by the enemy, particularly the place where it is to take place and the time it is due to start; its nature, and the weapons the troops will be using; and the number of troops and scope of the operation. All these elements must be planned so that the enemy has not prepared to resist. This is achieved by many years of intensive effort on the part of the GUSM at concealment. But concealment is twofold: the GUSM will, for example, conceal from the enemy advances in Soviet military science and the armaments industry, and at the same time demonstrate what the enemy wants to see.
 

One more thing, Suvorov stole more than his name, his thesis in Icebreaker is appropriated and adapted from the Austrian Professor Ernst Topitsch's Stalin's War. I have read the English language version, which had a new forward which the prof aspersed Reznun for the plagiarism. I don't agree with Topitsch's ideas, but it is at least conceivable that Stalin might have thought the space and weather of Russia would defeat Hitler as it had Napoleon (although the vast majority of Napoleon's army died from typhus while on the summer march to Moscow). Hitler drawn into attacking by Stalin confident of winning on his own ground with the advantages of short lines of communication and general winter is only tenable if you think Stalin in the aftermath of 1940's awesome blitzkrieg, Stalin did not think the Germans could possibly have counterattacked and won.

Replies: @John Wear, @Ron Unz, @Patrick McNally

Exo said:

Gaza is more like the Rheinwiesen death camps Eisenhower ran on German soil, where he deliberately murdered over a million Germans.
 

The situation Eisenhower faced in the American occupied zone of Germany was very grim, as it was for the rest of Germany and much of Central and Western Europe. The reason the Eisenhower Conference cites for the tough rationing in the camps is that the General didn’t want to feed the prisoners more than the civilians or displaced people in a famine that affected the entire region’s food supplies for years to come.

In Ambrose’s summary of the conference’s findings, he writes that Bacque misreads, misinterprets, and even ignores much of the documentation of the Rheinwiesenlager. Bacque claims the American’s used the category of “other losses” in their records of prisoners to hide the deaths of some one million people.

Ambrose writes that hundreds of thousands of people under this heading that Bacque supposed dead were actually young boys and old men from the Volkssturm (People’s Militia) who were released. These, along with those transferred between different zones in Germany which Bacque didn’t mention, debunk the idea that so many thousands in “other losses” were wide-spread murder and death.

In total, it is thought that the mortality rate in the camps was as high as one percent and that no more than 56,000 German prisoners died.

The Rheinwiesenlager were not the worst camps to be held as prisoner in, during and after WWII, though the Americans could have been much more humane in their treatment. Mostly, the tight rations often blamed for the deaths of thousands of German prisoners were the result of mass hunger in most of Europe at the end of the war.
 

While it can be interesting to go over old documents in which this or that ambassador is on a rant, nothing in there has much bearing on the actual causes of war in 1939. The one thing which may be worth addressing (as it might almost appear to offer an argument) is when they cite Roosevelt's note to Bullitt commenting that the US would not be able to aid the Allies in a potential future war with Germany if Hitler was allowed to attack Poland. Yes, and so what?

Roosevelt was just honestly describing the political context. If it had happened that Hitler attacked Poland, and if the Allies had taken no action over this, and if subsequently a year or so later a new war had developed between the Allies and Hitler, then it is absolutely certain that isolationists like Lindbergh would have argued that the US should not involve itself in the war and to make this argument they would have cited the earlier failure of the Allies to act over Poland. The fact that Roosevelt told Bullitt to make this clear to the Allies does not imply that Roosevelt was the cause of the crisis over Hitler's attack on Poland. It simply shows that Roosevelt was giving the leaders of these countries an honest description of the US political context.

From the way that some people ramble about things like this you would think that Roosevelt was a dictator ala Hitler or Stalin. While critics sometimes accused him of wanting to be such, the fact is that he had never had such power. Roosevelt was just telling the straight truth when he said that he could not guarantee any future aid to Britain and France if they passed on Poland now and then wanted aid later in a war with Germany over something else. To call this evidence of Roosevelt's great conspiracy to create war in Europe is laughable. Go back and read the documents where Hitler notes Danzig is not the issue and that living space is the matter at hand in the conflict with Poland. Get yourself Volume 3 of the Max Domarus series for that and related material. Roosevelt did nothing to cause this crisis. It was all on Hitler.

Replies: @John Wear, @Fox

“FDR and his advisors played a crucial role in planning and instigating World War II.”
 

Replies: @John Wear

Do you know the reason why the Suvorov "thesis" is constantly referred to and praised here but nobody discusses the details of "The Chief Culprit" or quotes from it? I do.

This guy is literally saying "Please don't look at old documents [i.e. primary sources] -- look at the current version of The Narrative only!"

Because looking at the actual evidence that narrative is based upon would only "confuse" people, apparently. Obvious bad faith is obvious. He clearly doesn't believe what he's saying -- why should he expect anyone else to?

This is the same guy that tried to tell me that FDR would never have deliberately allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor -- because WW1-era battleships had magical time-traveling, rubber-raiding capabilities that made them absolutely indispensable to his plans.

Replies: @Patrick McNally, @Zarathustra

You're own choice of words there is a very clever example of bait-and-switch propaganda. Here you tell us that "Roosevelt helped get the United States into World War II." Now I don't know of a single historian who would dispute that. Many of the most pro-FDR historians anywhere on record will gladly agree with that much. I don't myself subscribe to any such cult of Roosevelt the way Ronald Reagan did ("he was a great war leader" in the Gipper's words). But if this was the only argument one had to make there would be nothing to dispute.

Rather the issue is that Roosevelt had nothing to do with creating the crisis over Poland which was born out of Hitler's drive to the east for living space. Likewise Roosevelt did not create the conundrum which faced Britain and France, he simply gave these countries an honest statement of what he could and could not do. Hitler's choice to occupy the remnants of Czechoslovakia after he earlier signed the Munich Agreement placed Britain and France in a tight spot. No Polish government could ever allow itself to accept an agreement over Danzig that similar to Munich, after seeing how Hitler tore up the latter. So if Britain and France were to retain credibility as allies in the future they would have to be ready to support the Poles in a rejection of Hitler's claims on Danzig. If they did not then Roosevelt would not be able to easily persuade the US public in any future confrontation that the US should support the Allies, and Roosevelt made that clear. But the outbreak of war in 1939 was because of Hitler pushing demands, not because of anything Roosevelt did.

Replies: @John Wear

It's worth noting the inconsistencies which crop up between this

https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/11/3/6807

and other items which you list above. In the one which I've listed here we're told that Harry Dexter White was the master conspirator who wrote the Hull Note of November 26, 1941, and discarded a possible modus vivendi. Yet in the links which you give above we are told that Roosevelt was scheming for war with Japan as early as March 1941. There's obviously a contradiction between these 2 pieces of writing. If Roosevelt was really scheming for war in March, then there's no reason to think that a modus vivendi was narrowly averted in November through the underhanded scheming of White. So which is it?

Realistically, Roosevelt, Hull, Stimson, Marshall were obviously aiming to bring the US into the war early on. They did not need White to egg them on to this. As far as the alleged modus vivendi with Japan was concerned, both Britain (Winston Churchill) and China (Chiang Kai-Shek) were strongly opposed to it. So it's not as if White was some solitary agent trying to nix the modus vivendi in favor of the Hull Note behind everyone's back the way that John Koster implies in the passage quoted ("White, acting under orders of Soviet intelligence, pulled the strings"). White did not have to pull any strings to advocate a hard line against Japan. So way imply that he did?

From comparing the 2 very different sounding pieces which you've put together this sounds like an other effort to inflate the influence of Soviet agents like White in order to dodge the awkward implications of the Rezun-scenario. Whenever the Rezun-script is honestly diagnosed it becomes obvious that doing something as foolish as what Rezun claims (invaded Europe in July 1939 with the intent of conquering and Sovietizing the whole continent) would simply have resulted in Allied war against the USSR. There probably never have been any Hull Note. Instead Japan would have followed its alliance with Germany by going to war against the USSR. If Stalin achieved a rapid victory over Hitler (as Rezun asserts he would have) then Churchill would have started promptly demanding a Soviet withdrawal from Europe. In no time at all there likely a Tokyo-London-Washington alliance against Moscow. If not that, then certainly an Allied war against the USSR with perhaps a parallel war between the Allies and Japan.

Stalin would certainly never have done anything this stupidly reckless. But the argument which Rezunists seem to want to use is that Soviet agents like White or Lauchlin Currie were so pervasively influential in the US and UK that they could have neutralized any Allied response to Stalin in a Rezun scenario. That's absurd, but it seems to be the only point of exaggerating White's influence as if he were the cause of the Hull Note.

Replies: @John Wear

"My response: I think your next step is to read all of “The Chief Culprit”. Suvorov makes a very convincing case that Hitler’s invasion of the Soviet Union was preemptive."

Mr Wear, I have no intention in reading an entire book to find your answers to my questions. I do thank you for your voluminous replies to the many posters. Moreover, at this point, I consider Mr Suvorov's missive as purely fiction.

"My response: If Stalin had been allowed to invade Europe, he would have had about 24,000 tanks in his initial invasion. This invasion could not have been stopped. I recommend you read the rest of my Chapter One of “Germany’s War”. On pages 55-56 of Chapter One of my book, I quote excerpts of Hitler’s speech on December 11, 1941, which explains why Hitler invaded the Soviet Union."

This reply did not answer my statement regarding your adulation and assessment of the supremacy of USSR military power. Hitler and his clan always proffered an explanation for military action and in most cases it was utter lies.

Mr Wear, it is difficult to entire a debate with you, as in most cases, you give reference points rather than give a direct response.

My readings of military history would lead me to render that the Soviet invasion of Germany proper, would have resulted in a military disaster for the Red Army and the possibility of the overthrow of the Communist Party in Moscow.

Even Stalin and his cronies realized that their aggression were limited to second rated nations: in this respect, Stalin cleverly judge the risk and rewards of his actions, whereas, Adolf's was that of an enthused punter.

Replies: @John Wear

Stalin’s idea was that Germany, France and Britain would deplete their forces in a major war, and then the Soviet Union could easily conquer all of Europe.
 

Stalin did not know that Germany would quickly defeat France and drive Britain off of the European continent. Suvorov writes at the bottom of page 18 of his book: “Stalin prepared Germany for a second world war. Without Stalin’s help, Germany could not arm itself and destroy Europe. Obviously, when arming Germany, Stalin was not planning that all this would be used against him.”
 

The Weimar Soviet cooperation was from 1922--33, so it would be accurate to say that post WW1 the Germans built up the Soviet Union militarily. Stalin was extremely taken with German work discipline and planned to use Germans to raise the level of the Russian population if things devopered to as he hoped and permitted a walkover Suvorov as a Russian wants to believe that his people were a lot more capable than there is evidence for before, during or after WW2. McMeekin have never been a pro Russian, he thinks they started WW1 as well as WW2. While Russia /the Soviet Union was by no means innocent in either war there were other great powers in the mix. In his The Anglo American Establishment Quigley notes that Chamberlain's willingness to cede Germany territory in Poland was aimed at facilitating a war between between the USSR and Germany by giving them a common border.

When Stalin and Hitler formed their pact, the foreign policy experts of England decided war was necessary and the guarantee of Polish independence was issued. Chamberlain was no different to Stalin's bete noire Churchill and the British Foreign Office in regarding the Soviet Union rather than Nazi Germany as the main problem, and the Soviets being allied with Germany was what made peace with Germany unacceptable. Indeed, Quigley notes that Chamberlain attempted to combine a declared war but unfought war with Nazi Germany with an undeclared but actually fought war with the Soviet Union on the pretext of helping Finland in the Winter War with Stalin. The United Kingdom and France were well forward with preparations for sending an expeditionary force to Finland against the Soviet Union during the Winter War, which started on 30 November 1939.

Replies: @Bankotsu

This seems an odd response to my comment.

Did you think I somehow missed those pages? And wanted to remind me how what they cover isn't even interesting or even holds a candle to the the stuff I described in my comment?

I don't get it. Are you trying to distract yourself and others from what I said?

Weird. Is it that painful?...I mean, I guess you are not alone. Ron and a few others seem to feel Suvorov is completely sane when he writes those things.

I'll post pics of the actual pages tomorrow if I have the time. It is priceless. Sometimes I think Suvorov may have been experimenting with Philip K. Dick-style alternate history or playing with ideas and just said screw it, he'd throw it out there as serious and see how many people he fooled.

Look very carefully at the endnote/reference numbering. It is unlike all other serious works on this subject written in the last 30 years. There are extended passages running up to two pages with no references and containing nothing but speculation and supposition. That makes it fabricated. Events, motives, processes that occur nowhere but in Suvorov's head. That isn't history. That is fiction.

Do you not see this when you read history?

I'll go back to Hitler's own recorded statements:

"It is not Danzig that is at stake. For us it is a matter of expanding our living space in the East..."
-- From the memorandum recorded by Lt. Col. Schmidt on May 23 in the New Reich Chancellery.

I'm not going to bother typing out a whole historical document here. One can find it easily enough in Volume 3 of the Domarus series. An actual reading of Hitler's own records makes clear that expansion of living space was always his prime aim. This is what led to his October 2 conference with Bormann, Frank and Schirach in the Reich Chancellery:

"Once more the Fuehrer underlined that there must be but one master for the Poles, and this is the German: two masters could not and must not exist next to each other, hence all representatives of the Polish intelligentsia are to be killed. This may sound harsh, but it is the law of life."
-- From Bormann's notes on Hitler's exposition at the conference.

These were the types which motivated Hitler to conquer eastern Europe.

Replies: @John Wear

1. It is the tragic truth about the Aryan race that it is split into warring nations, and not along the biological lines. From Caesar's genocide of Gaul, to Eisenhower's death camps and 100k dead Pétainists in France. Incidentally, this is another prescient feature of the USSR, which set a goal of dissolving its constituent nations in due time.

2. InconvenientHistory seems like a web-portal of whine. That the American Christcucks were being suicidally pacifist when the Yellow Menace of Imperial Japan reared its ugly head, ready to spring at the throat of India and Australia, should find no praise. And do you think the American State would have survived intact a German victory in Asia? I fail to understand pacifism, for life is total war of extermination always. It impresses my imagination how schizophrenic an apologia for American pacifism is as part of a wider apologia for the largest [unfinished] genocide in the history of humanity - 27 million dead Russians at the hands of the Germans & other Europeans (now fags).

3. On reading the article, one might praise Roosevelt for his diplomatic skills in furthering the feeling of power of the American Empire. You missed the answer, however, - Hitler declared war on the USA to sink ships. From 124k tonnes in December 1941 to 700k tonnes in June 1942. Sweet tonnage. Hilariously enough, blockades never work, from England to the DPRK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Losses_during_the_Battle_of_the_Atlantic

Replies: @commandor

There you're rehashing old propaganda. Let's start with your first lie about Hitler and the Versailles Treaty. In 1932 Heinrich Bruning sat down with the Allied representatives and stated clearly that Germany could not afford to go on paying reparations. In response to Bruning's diplomacy the Allies agreed right then and there to drop the reparations. It was right from that moment on that Germany's economy began to recover. Not surprisingly, the votes for the NSDAP (having reached a peak of about 37% of the vote in July 1932) began to fall once more. By the time Hitler gained the Chancellorship the Versailles Treaty was long dead. Hitler had nothing to do with this.

Instead Hitler benefitted from Bruning's diplomacy. Once Bruning had persuaded the Allies to drop the reparations, then everyone on the Allied side now became open to the idea that Germany should be allowed to seek territorial adjustments. Hitler was able to capitalize off of that until he overplayed his hand with the occupation of Czechoslovakia in March 1939. But it was Bruning's diplomacy which had enabled all of the earlier agreements.

The goal of acquiring living space in eastern Europe is stated very clearly as a fundamental goal by Hitler from the beginning and always returned to. You really have to be following a blind-eyed selective reading of Hitler's own words not to see that in Mein Kampf and later documents up into wartime. If Hitler had merely desired to group together the ethnic German minorities of Europe into the Reich while working for economic autarky then Chamberlain would have gladly encouraged him in this and there would have been no war. That was the exact stance which Chamberlain followed up until March 15, 1939.

Replies: @Fox

You forgot Italians attacked on their own in Libya - and, obviously, lost again.
And thus Afrika Korps was born.

And yet, both in Greece and Libya Mussolini attacked against Hitler's wishes - was it here some foul play to bring Germany into this war theater....?
Or was it all an unitended outcome of both Mussolini Ego and military weakness of Italian army...?

Strangely, the Italian campaigns aren't so well investigated as the German ones are.