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  • @AP
    @Levtraro

    She has the facial features typical of roma, nothing special. You can just look for a gypsy girl that happens to be thin and not be poor and dirty from being on the streets:

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/23/4d/ce/234dcec50bbcb7c46ca49752731ba64c.jpg

    https://jezminavonthiele.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/jezminacards.jpg?w=624

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dq_H1X9W4AEoKQF.jpg

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/95c6e59bceb2040c920285b933ac02cf/tumblr_nu4gwgAuur1uy7q4so1_540.png

    Replies: @melanf

    She has the facial features typical of roma

    Definitely this statement does not correspond to reality (unless you count the dark eyes and hair as exclusively gypsy appearance)

    Mamun has an unusual face but it does not look like a gypsy
    Mamun bears a strange resemblance to another Olympic champion-Alina Zagitova (who comes from the Kazan Tatars).

    • Agree: Aedib
    • Replies: @melanf
    @melanf

    An interesting genetic curiosity - the son of this Mamun has a purely "Nordic" appearance. Although it may get darker with time.

    https://mtdata.ru/u28/photoD145/20796977508-0/original.jpg

    , @Dmitry
    @melanf

    Nikki Haley (Nikki Randhawa before marriage) is Indian Sikh, and looks like a stereotypical American housewife (i.e. Italian-American, Jewish-American, Greek-American housewives).

    This is the Indians from latitude 25-35° can have light skin when not in summer.

    Although if you have met Indian people in real life, you notice the eyes (same also with Iranians, Armenians, etc) is different to European people, and Haley has a kind of stereotypical Indian eyes.
    https://i.imgur.com/0rJFxsd.jpg

    But her (I guess half-India) daughter looks more stereotypical European face, with stereotypical Indian skin.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/COMGNo_h3KY/

    Replies: @Dmitry, @melanf, @snapple

    , @AP
    @melanf

    It's the Indian facial features, not only eye and hair color (which may be dyed). Mamun:

    https://vestikavkaza.ru/upload/fbig/nvk/2015_Jun/Margarita-Mamun-%E2%80%93-chempionka-Evroigr-v-uprazhnenii-s-obruchem-1.jpg

    https://s2.cdn.teleprogramma.pro/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/762a891297b270de0941b4f42c23526a.jpg

    Roma:

    https://www.cesr.org/sites/default/files/roma_woman_and_child_osce.jpg

    Mamun, of course, has the physique of an Olympic athlete.

    You are correct that there is a resemblance to Zagitova.

    Replies: @melanf, @Coconuts

  • @anyone with a brain
    Indian women are the most beautiful women in the world. As are Slavic women. Why? because they are the same except for different shades of skin. Slavs are not just light-skinned and lighter hair and eyes version of Indians. That would be too reductionistic. But! I offer to you a thought experiment, picture a half-Slav, half-Indian individual, and what do you see? Most likely an lighter or darker Slav or Indian. You don't see an identifiably mixed-individual, why? because the visual differences are only in color. Try that experiment with pairings of Western Europeans, sub-saharan Africans, Arabs, East Asians, Amerindians and the difference will be obvious.

    This is a really late comment about Steve Sailer's article about student racial composition and cognitive performance https://www.unz.com/isteve/new-racial-admixture-and-cognitive-performance-study/, the surprising result that children with single digit percentage of ancestry different from the majority ancestry perform better kind of makes sense. I think hybrid vigor and attraction is achieved when an individual has some but very little exotic ancestry. Regrettably to get to an individual that has single digit exotic ancestry you have to have an individual with 50% exotic ancestry and those individual have a hard time due to genetic and cultural reasons.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @melanf, @YetAnotherAnon, @Svevlad, @Coconuts

    But! I offer to you a thought experiment, picture a half-Slav, half-Indian individual

    Olympic champion in gymnastics Margarita Mamun is half Indian and half Russian.

    • Thanks: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Levtraro
    @melanf

    Wholly f*cking jeesus chryst, what a lovely specimen, thanks mate. Gonna be on the look out for the Slav-Indian mix.

    Replies: @AP, @FerW

    , @Aedib
    @melanf

    She looks Mediterranean

  • Cultural news.
    Monuments to Leonardo and Raphael made of steel have been erected in Volgograd. In the future, it is planned to install monuments to Michelangelo and Donatello

    • Thanks: mal
    • Replies: @songbird
    @melanf

    Never did like the way Raph holds his sais. When you have so few fingers, it would be a shame to lose one to someone's sword.

  • I was at the Army-2011 expo this week. Very cool, sort of like a military-themed Geek Picnic. *** * POWERFUL COMMENT. Thorfinnsson on the Japanese economy. * Adam Tooze: Chartbook #35: It's not the fall that kills you .... Afghanistan's looming triple crisis. "Afghanistan as a country where the costs of central governance exceed local...
  • @Morton's toes
    @Dmitry

    The male dancer in Spartacus is pretty macho.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fha6rYtaLMk

    Few things more gay than the NFL. A friend of mine who loved to play softball used to tell me tennis was a fag sport. I enjoy playing tennis but the culture of it is dreadful.

    Replies: @melanf

    The male dancer in Spartacus is pretty macho.

    Ballet Spartak at the Mikhailovsky Theater in St. Petersburg. Very heroically

  • @Dmitry
    @AP


    popular among women in those times? If not, than they are not feminine
     
    While the cultural relativism argument can be applied to history to some extent (as you say with high-heels), if you know any of the history, we know these upper class fashions (and many aspects of lifestyle) were viewed as feminine by their contemporary reception.

    For example, look at the satirical cartoons produced during the French Revolution, where the ruling classes' feminine clothing and style is one of the main targets to be satirized.

    Or going longer back to time, for example a commentary text about Ben Jonson's (1572-1637) criticism of this clothing:

    https://i.imgur.com/4dG7YUQ.jpg


    lion’s mane compared to the appearance of a plain lioness
     
    Lion's appearance is a natural feature, not a result of learned behaviours. It's quite a different topic than the cultural indicators of sexual dimorphism in humans.

    Decorating ourself is only among a certain type of primate, and perhaps some crabs, insects and birds. (It's not completely unique to our branch of primates, as bearded vultures also use makeup https://www.newscientist.com/article/2130980-vultures-smear-their-faces-in-red-mud-which-they-use-as-makeup )


    -

    On another topic of whether sexual dimorphism applies to things like peoples' movements as learned behaviour, or has some cross-culture, biological basis, is probably not such an interesting debate.

    But in our own culture, for example the 19th century is not culturally far from our own. We are culturally close enough to notice that some 19th century elite culture like ballet, is constituted by movements for males which would have been considered feminine in their (not so culturally different against our own time) context.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcruks2zaJ0

    Replies: @melanf, @Morton's toes, @AP

    We are culturally close enough to notice that some 19th century elite culture like ballet, is constituted by movements for males which would have been considered feminine in their (not so culturally different against our own time) context.

    This is clearly not the case. The ballet has the same aesthetic as in the films about kung fu. Or if you want in a Japanese manga

  • The results of yesterday’s hike in the forest

    • Thanks: mal, Yellowface Anon, Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @melanf

    A nice reminder of a long discussion that I had with Bashibusuk a year or two ago about mushroom hunting. If you're still out there Bashi, why not do an occasional Thorfinnsson and let us know how you're doing?

    , @A123
    @melanf

    You are not hiking in the right forests. Those aren't mushrooms....

    THIS is a MUSHROOM!

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://thedaleygator.files.wordpress.com/2021/09/1630507640_07ba6y8uyx.jpg

  • Due to global warming, trees began to grow in the deserts of Siberia

    • Thanks: The Big Red Scary, Mikel
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @melanf

    I got some sentences about the Mongolian high pressure system weakening (I think) but I didn't get where that is. Chara Sands near Irkutsk?

    Visiting Southern Siberia is definitely another item in my bucket list. The pictures I've seen of the Altai area and the Lake Baikal region are astounding. But I'll have to be careful with the mosquitoes if I go in the summer, I guess. They love me as much as I hate them.

  • Politics is tribal. "Conservatism" is situational. And so you can get some "unlikely comic book crossovers" if looking at the world through country-specific ideological prisms. According to one recent poll, the most pro-vax Russians are United Russia (i.e. the most pro-Putin) voters, presumably reflecting the official state position which is and has always been pro-vaxx....
  • Communists reject godless vaccines – they prefer to fight diseases with prayer

    • Replies: @Haruto Rat
    @melanf

    Socialist Patriarchy of Lytsk FTW!
    https://s1.livelib.ru/boocover/1000478877/200/5516/boocover.jpg

  • *** AFGHANISTAN * The terrorist attacks today. The Taliban did free all those Islamist militants, not all of them would have been strictly suborned to the Taliban themselves. What's so surprising? * Notable foreign relations developments. Tajikistan has adopted a cold tone to the Taliban, accusing them of gong and has reportedly supplied the NRF...
  • The leader of the Yaroslavl communists, antivaxer Alexander Vorobyov, died of COVID-19

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @melanf

    Should have denounced USSR as a pure entirely criminal regime too with its mandatory vaccinations from all the diseases at the time ;)

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  • Jessica Stewart: 3,500-Year-Old Stone Carving Discovery May Change Art History as We Know It. Realistic art didn’t necessarily begin with the Ancient Greeks. Multiple cycles of Farewell to Alms/Idiocracy in history?

    This is not exactly news

  • Peter Turchin cliodynamics-centered explanation of Taliban takeover.

    In this article, Turchin explains why his idiotic pseudoscience “cliodynamics” does not work (in the case of Afghanistan). Astrologers work in the same way

  • *** * MUSTREAD. @pseudoerasmus thread on the history of the Taliban. * Steve Sailer on Pashtun proverbs. * Erik D'Amato: 20 Hungarian Lessons the West Is Still Missing * Noah Carl: Observations on Afghanistan * Lyman Key thread on Chinese TFR. We still don't really know what's going on there. * MUSTREAD. Philip Lemoine: Why...
  • @Mr. Hack
    Great goings on Today in Ukraine, especially in the capital, Kyiv. Looked to me like the recent words of historian Putin fell on deaf ears in Ukraine, nobody is singing the praises of Triunism? Where's the brotherly Russian support of Ukraine too? Somebody has got their wires crossed. :-)

    https://youtu.be/iwO_GgtD7IQ
    Happy 30th Anniversary of Independent Ukraine!

    Replies: @Svidomyatheart, @melanf, @Beckow, @kzn

    Great goings on Today in Ukraine…

    And what are you happy about? On this very day, Deputy Foreign Minister of Ukraine Yevgenii Enin said that last week a Ukrainian military transport plane (which was supposed to evacuate Ukrainians from Afghanistan) was seized by unknown people who used the plane to take passengers (not Ukrainians) to Iran.
    https://ria.ru/20210824/samolet-1746968862.html

    Then it turned out that everything was fine and there was no hijacking of the plane: “The Ukrainian plane, which was allegedly seized in Afghanistan, was bought by rich Afghan businessmen for currency, gold and precious stones. Local businessmen and their families went to Iran on a Ukrainian plane, paying for the board. “That is, there was no abduction, but, in fact, a Ukrainian military aircraft was simply bought out.”
    https://strana.news/news/350114-zakhvat-samoleta-ukrainy-v-kabule-v-teheran-poleteli-bohatye-biznesmeny.html
    Ukraine needs to solve real problems, and not waste time on tribal “patriotic” dances around the totem pole

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @melanf

    It's obvious, the thievish no-goodniks need to be found and brought to justice.

    As to what I'm happy about, it's related to Ukraine's ability to maintain its own separate course, to have its decisions made at the ground level, not in some dank corner within the Kremlin. It's good to celebrate your independence at least once a year, like the 4th of July in the US, and celebrate the Ukrainians did - the parades and concerts were really well done - Slava Ukraini!

    Replies: @JL

    , @Mikhail
    @melanf

    https://www.rt.com/russia/533050-kaljulaid-dont-invest-ukraine/

  • Summer holidays

    • Agree: kzn4
    • Thanks: mal, Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @melanf

    Looks very similar to Northern Arizona. We do have some lakes up north, with large rocky shorelines.

    , @Dissident
    @melanf

    https://c7.alamy.com/comp/PRXDMY/altai-russia-august-5-2010-a-boy-sheep-shepherds-son-sits-on-rocks-in-mountains-PRXDMY.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/mR95pkX.jpg

  • First thought is that the US spent 20 years and $2 trillion trying to build a democracy in a half-literate country of goatherders that disintegrated within 20 days. Think what you could have done with that (dependent on your preferences). "Green New Deal". Free college. 335 ship Navy. Mars base. This adventure must have set...
  • And will the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan continue to recognize Crimea, as Hamid Karzai did?

    Does it make even the slightest difference? It seems to me that the meaning of this “recognition” is zero, nothing

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @melanf

    I guess over time Russia would need to recruit a large number of countries to recognize the change, as the unrecognized status keeps causing constant issues, and the more countries recognize it, the fewer problems it’s going to cause. Of course that one country, especially such a poor and underdeveloped one as Afghanistan, makes basically no difference, but it’s worth enough to make it a disadvantage.

  • *** * Emil Kirkegaard: The ‘Hereditarians bad people’ objection. On the recent spat between Cathy Young vs. Charles Murray, Steve Sailer, and other hereditarians. Ended with Steve being blocked by Cathy. * Hungary has become an object in the culture war. Their demographic problems long predate Orban, who was actually more successful on the economy...
  • @A123
    @melanf


    This is called a false dichtomy. The vaccine itself does not protect anyone – the vaccine only strengthens the “natural immunity”
     
    You missed my point. Let me try again without the word "natural" as that appears to be leading you astray.

        • mRNA vaccine resistance is exclusive to that specific spike.
        • Disease response resistance appears to have multiple factors.

    When encountering a new variant, there are sound reasons to believe that disease response resistance is more robust than mRNA response resistance.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @melanf

    • mRNA vaccine resistance is exclusive to that specific spike.
    • Disease response resistance appears to have multiple factors.

    At the moment, mRNA and vector vaccine (which are exclusive to that specific spike) are the best protection that exists

  • @Pericles
    @melanf

    Off the top of my head, they do not provide a very good immunity for the recipient, including the first version but also trouble with easily appearing mutants; what immunity is conferred doesn't last very long; the recipient can still spread the disease; and they appear somewhat unsafe in themselves.

    Replies: @melanf

    Off the top of my head, they do not provide a very good immunity

    At the moment, vacines is the best protection that exists against covid. While there is nothing better-the vaccine is a great

  • @A123
    @Pericles


    If it in the end is just the flu (… or close enough …), then that’s presumably futile as well. Learn to live with Corona-chan like we have learned to live with its many predecessors.
     
    This seems to be where we are headed. The next variant should have been WUHAN-Ɛ (Epsilon), but some how we have jumped ahead to WUHAN-λ (Lambda). For obvious reasons, the most successful mutations are those that can beat the current vaccines.

    Has anyone calculated the maximum number of lab enhanced, Chinese Coronavirus variants?

    The annual Influenza vaccine works because there are a limited number of contagious options. The shot is based on a prediction of the most likely variants. If WUHAN-# Coronavirus is not predictable, the annual booster concept will not work.

    Initial evidence seems to indicate that natural immunity from catching the actual virus is much more effective than artificial vaccination. There is scientifically sound pushback against BigPharma's manda-vaxx stance.

    A test for natural immunity should be just as good as (probably better than) a BigPharma Passport!

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @melanf

    Initial evidence seems to indicate that natural immunity from catching the actual virus is much more effective than artificial vaccination.

    This is called a false dichtomy. The vaccine itself does not protect anyone – the vaccine only strengthens the “natural immunity”. New strains (with which vaccines cope worse) have improved abilities against human immunity. They hack the immunity of the vaccinated – but even more easily they hack the immunity of the unvaccinated

    • Replies: @A123
    @melanf


    This is called a false dichtomy. The vaccine itself does not protect anyone – the vaccine only strengthens the “natural immunity”
     
    You missed my point. Let me try again without the word "natural" as that appears to be leading you astray.

        • mRNA vaccine resistance is exclusive to that specific spike.
        • Disease response resistance appears to have multiple factors.

    When encountering a new variant, there are sound reasons to believe that disease response resistance is more robust than mRNA response resistance.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @melanf

  • @Pericles
    @melanf

    These particular vaccines appear to have many flaws.

    Replies: @melanf

    These particular vaccines appear to have many flaws.

    Which flaws?

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @melanf

    Off the top of my head, they do not provide a very good immunity for the recipient, including the first version but also trouble with easily appearing mutants; what immunity is conferred doesn't last very long; the recipient can still spread the disease; and they appear somewhat unsafe in themselves.

    Replies: @melanf

  • @Pericles
    @melanf

    These vaccines are just not great, for whatever reason. (Could be that the problem is just too difficult.) There are so many caveats by now that you may ask whether they qualify for the title in the first place.

    They probably should focus on developing a more effective next generation.

    If it in the end is just the flu (... or close enough ...), then that's presumably futile as well. Learn to live with Corona-chan like we have learned to live with its many predecessors.

    Replies: @melanf, @A123

    These vaccines are just not great

    I can’t agree – vaccines are quite great, since they successfully save human lives

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Pericles
    @melanf

    These particular vaccines appear to have many flaws.

    Replies: @melanf

  • @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well, a Delta fighting booster is coming. Infection with vaccination isn going to be deadly, but at this point might as well be careful until the booster.

    Replies: @melanf

    Well, a Delta fighting booster is coming. Infection with vaccination isn going to be deadly, but at this point might as well be careful until the booster.

    Judging by past events, by the time mass vaccination with delta booster becomes possible, a new even more effective strain of covid will come. According to this, I think that either covid will be able to be crushed by the next generation of vaccines (which scientists promise us), or the situation becomes similar to the situation with influenza vaccination – the vaccines cannot annihilate the flu, but they make the consequences from it minimal.

    By the way

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @melanf

    These vaccines are just not great, for whatever reason. (Could be that the problem is just too difficult.) There are so many caveats by now that you may ask whether they qualify for the title in the first place.

    They probably should focus on developing a more effective next generation.

    If it in the end is just the flu (... or close enough ...), then that's presumably futile as well. Learn to live with Corona-chan like we have learned to live with its many predecessors.

    Replies: @melanf, @A123

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @melanf


    The current generation of vaccines works much less effectively against the delta strain than against previous strains. So it is better to wear a mask on public transport even after vaccination
     
    I don't think that correct even from a utilitarian perspective that completely discounts the (by all indications highly minor) costs of masks.

    We are going to get a fourth wave during the winter. All else equal, we can expect it to be worse than the one now, just on account of the seasonal factor.

    So the more people that get infected now the better.

    The only way this would be different is if we can expect a drastic ramp up in vaccination acceptance. But I don't think that's happening, it seems to be leveling off at an asymptote and the urgency to get a vaccination will vanish completely once Delta retreats for the autumn.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @melanf, @AP

    So the more people that get infected now the better.

    I’ve been hearing this crazy idea since the beginning of the pandemic. It seems to me that empirical experience has shown that this idea does not work

    The only way this would be….

    In all likelihood, collective immunity with the help of first-generation vaccines (Moderna, Sputnik, Pfizer…) cannot be achieved in principle. But the danger to an individual can be minimized. The first measure is vaccination, the second is anti-epidemic measures such as masks and distance

    • Thanks: Dissident
  • @utu
    @melanf

    In last six weeks Russia doubled its completed vaccination from 11% at the end of June to 22%. It took over six months to get the first 10%. Clearly the production rate of the vaccines picked up. Introducing the Sputnik Light gimmick to circumvent the difficulties with the production of the 2nd dose of the Sputnik V also helped at least on paper.

    If Russia was able to produce 10-20 million doses by January as it was talked about in October 2020 the 10% would have been vaccinated by the end of February. Instead the campaign of bad mouthing of Western and mRNA, in particular, vaccines was launched which naturally reduced enthusiasm for vaccination altogether among Russians which, IMO, it was the outcome that Kremlin wanted to cover up vaccine shortage.

    Replies: @melanf

    In last six weeks Russia doubled its completed vaccination from 11% at the end of June to 22%.

    Because coercive measures were introduced. Nevertheless, there is still an excess of the vaccine-almost anyone can get the third and fourth doses of the vaccine.

  • @Yevardian
    @melanf

    I didn't get the impression utu was any kind of anti-vaxxer, considering he's spent the past year excoriating our benevolent overlord for giving people like Mike Whitney a voice. I guess it's specifically about Sputnik's effectiveness? I have no opinion (or interest, really) in the matter, but it did come out incredibly (and suspiciously) early after the pandemic.

    Replies: @melanf

    I didn’t get the impression utu was any kind of anti-vaxxer

    utu is a pro-waxer, but he is obsessed with a strange conspiracy theory that a small proportion of those vaccinated in Russia is explained by a lack of vaccine, but not by a lack of those who want to be vaccinated

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @utu
    @melanf

    In last six weeks Russia doubled its completed vaccination from 11% at the end of June to 22%. It took over six months to get the first 10%. Clearly the production rate of the vaccines picked up. Introducing the Sputnik Light gimmick to circumvent the difficulties with the production of the 2nd dose of the Sputnik V also helped at least on paper.

    If Russia was able to produce 10-20 million doses by January as it was talked about in October 2020 the 10% would have been vaccinated by the end of February. Instead the campaign of bad mouthing of Western and mRNA, in particular, vaccines was launched which naturally reduced enthusiasm for vaccination altogether among Russians which, IMO, it was the outcome that Kremlin wanted to cover up vaccine shortage.

    Replies: @melanf

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Based Sweden. Vaccination rate at 65%, I assume anyone who wanted a vaccine has long had the opportunity to get it, everything else is individual responsibility.

    Replies: @melanf, @Pericles

    Greetings from Sweden. Absolutely nobody is wearing a mask up here.

    Based Sweden. Vaccination rate at 65%, I assume anyone who wanted a vaccine has long had the opportunity to get it, everything else is individual responsibility

    The current generation of vaccines works much less effectively against the delta strain than against previous strains. So it is better to wear a mask on public transport even after vaccination

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @melanf

    ... and so all the fearmongering continues.

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @melanf


    The current generation of vaccines works much less effectively against the delta strain than against previous strains. So it is better to wear a mask on public transport even after vaccination
     
    I don't think that correct even from a utilitarian perspective that completely discounts the (by all indications highly minor) costs of masks.

    We are going to get a fourth wave during the winter. All else equal, we can expect it to be worse than the one now, just on account of the seasonal factor.

    So the more people that get infected now the better.

    The only way this would be different is if we can expect a drastic ramp up in vaccination acceptance. But I don't think that's happening, it seems to be leveling off at an asymptote and the urgency to get a vaccination will vanish completely once Delta retreats for the autumn.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @melanf, @AP

  • I was revaccinated yesterday (that is, I received the third dose of the vaccine) without the slightest problems, and I was asked which vaccine I prefer-Sputnik V or Sputnik Light. It is curious how Utu with his conspiracy theories will explain this phenomenon

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @melanf

    I didn't get the impression utu was any kind of anti-vaxxer, considering he's spent the past year excoriating our benevolent overlord for giving people like Mike Whitney a voice. I guess it's specifically about Sputnik's effectiveness? I have no opinion (or interest, really) in the matter, but it did come out incredibly (and suspiciously) early after the pandemic.

    Replies: @melanf

  • Rosatom HQ. *** * RIP. Sam Dickson: William H. Regnery II: A Hero’s Life. A Hero’s Death. I intersected with him in Moscow in 2018 at the end of a transit of the Trans-Siberian with a friend. Too little to get a know a person, but my impressions were positive, FWIW. On a non-political tone,...
  • @reiner Tor
    @Yevardian


    The fact that Soviet war material was superior to the German, in virtually every aspect
     
    I find this actually questionable. Take battle tanks, of which the USSR nominally possessed something like five times more than the Germans. The bulk of the tanks on both sides were obsolete or not very important light tanks (I’d argue that an obsolete light tank was way more useful than an obsolete heavy tank, the Soviets had plenty of the latter), the ratio of modern tanks was closer than that of all tanks.

    The best German tanks were the Pzkpfw. III and Pzkpfw. IV. The best Soviet tanks were the KV and T-34 tanks. The Soviet tanks were better in some aspects but worse in others. The Soviet tanks in general were usually very uncomfortable and ergonomically poor, leading to their crews getting tired quickly and performing below their level of training. Handling was poor in other ways, for example Soviet tanks usually had horrible transmissions which required enormous physical force to change gears (T-34 crews were often happy when they could use the second gear), leading to lower speed and higher fuel consumption. There was a general lack of radios in Soviet tanks, which made maneuvering with tank units cumbersome and coordination on the battlefield almost impossible. Soviet tanks were also notorious for having poor visibility: so the crew was tired, had little idea what was going on on the battlefield, had no idea what their commanders and comrades in other tanks were up to, and found it difficult to handle even if they had the proper ideas what to do.

    Now that’s not to deny that besides being tired, not seeing the battlefield properly etc. Soviet crews were also not very well trained. Their doctrines (like those of other militaries) were significantly worse than the doctrines of the Germans, and the Germans put huge emphasis on proper training and even learning from their own mistakes.

    Historians don’t often dwell on the numerous tactical mistakes the Germans made in Poland and France (obviously those were less important than the mistakes that the French and the Poles committed), but the Germans themselves did properly analyze both campaigns, with an emphasis on the lessons learned from them. This included the mistakes made (and how not to repeat them).

    So I think your intuition that the German troops were the best in the world at the time (and probably the best in modern history before or ever since), and probably Swedish historian Niklas Zetterling is correct when he asserts that the German Wehrmacht was at its peak in the summer of 1941, having learned from all the mistakes of the previous campaigns, but not yet having suffered significant losses in its prewar officer corps.

    Replies: @melanf, @Thorfinnsson

    Now that’s not to deny that besides being tired, not seeing the battlefield properly etc. Soviet crews were also not very well trained. Their doctrines (like those of other militaries) were significantly worse than the doctrines of the Germans

    What does the doctrine have to do with it? The Soviet army relied on human material with a very low level of education, in addition, there were simply not enough resources and time for long-term training of personnel in the pre-war period. In wartime, there were not enough resources and time for this (except for the end of the war).

    As for the quality of equipment and in particular tanks, the Germans in this area had an absolute advantage throughout the war

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    @melanf

    Poor Soviet prewar training was a choice and one exacerbated by the brilliant decision to liquidate much of the officer corps. The army was undergoing rapid expansion during this time, but the even more rapidly expanding German Army (in relative terms) found the time to conduct training.

    It's true that the educational and cultural level of Soviet troops was lower than the Germans, but literacy was close to universal in younger Soviet cohorts by this time.

    Doctrine is essential to all military organizations. To quote from Tully and Parshall:



    At its simplest, doctrine is the body of formal knowledge that tells a fighting force how it is expected to fight. Strictly speaking, doctrine is bigger than tactics, in that doctrine encompasses not only the means for actually handling forces in battle, but also augments it with a command structure and communications procedures that ensure that its directives are carried out. Wayne Hughes, whose book on naval tactics is probably the best modern offering in the field, describes doctrine as the intellectual glue that holds tactics together. It is more than what is written in the manual; it is the corpus of “guiding principles that warriors believe in and act on.”25

    The development of doctrine is the natural imperative of any military trying to rise above the level of being merely an armed mob. It is an essential means by which militaries compensate for the negatives of warfare by building a certain measure of automatic behavior into the organization. Indeed, in the terrible crucible of combat, under the enormous pressures created by mass violence, doctrine is sometimes the only thing that holds forces together and allows them to continue fighting. By setting out a coherent set of tactical goals, units can continue to operate even if the chain of command is disrupted or destroyed.

    From the perspective of command, doctrine pays dividends in that it allows the commander to focus on “The Big Picture.” Leaders can be secure in the knowledge that their forces will, to a certain extent, be able to “think” for themselves and thereby behave with some manner of predictability. The ability to impose any sort of predictability on the chaos of warfare is a commodity to be treasured. It is for this reason that militaries pour huge amounts of time and money into creating combat doctrine and training their forces to follow it.
     
    Early war German tanks were inferior to the latest Soviet tanks in the "trinity" (firepower, armor, and mobility) but superior in "soft" factors such as ergonomics, visibility, command arrangements, communications, etc. The late war big cats (Panther and Tiger) were mostly completely superior, but earlier marks remained in production throughout the war. Other German equipment was often superior, but not always. For instance the Soviet 57mm high velocity dual purpose gun was the best piece of its type in the world.
  • These are the results of a recent poll from Rating Group. 41% agree with Putin's position, 55% disagree. Not bad, considering there's now been a generation's worth of state svidomy narratives. But possibly the most startling result (and certainly one that I didn't expect is there there's essentially zero difference across age groups. 44% of...
  • @Rahan
    @Resartus


    For 50 years after WWII, they bred with the local women, leaving their spawn
    in the countries…..
     
    In the real world it was the opposite--Russian women coming over as teachers, doctors, or just on a holiday "bred" with the local men, and then either remained there or raised the kids back in Russia.

    Russia was THE multiculti place way before it was cool.

    https://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/9/6/4/14994469.jpg

    https://imgpile.com/images/NH0h44.jpg

    Replies: @melanf

    Russia was THE multiculti place way before it was cool.

    Well, Switzerland was also multicultural way before it was cool. But this is multiculturalism in a different sense

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @melanf

    Photos of women probably will help accentuate and clarify this point :)

  • Chinese protectionism/censorship (they only allow 34 Hollywood movies a year) has helped incubate a domestic film industry. As Richard Hanania points out, citing a study by James McMahon, that as of now, 9 out of 10 of the highest grossing films in Chinese history are domestic, all released in the last few years. Something like...
  • @Rahan
    @Mr. Hack


    With such a robust Chinese film culture, I wonder why more of their films don’t make it to Western movie houses?
     
    For centuries Europeans couldn't believe that China doesn't give a crap about them, nor the external world in general. Same for cultural offshoots like Japan and Korea. The West first had to have the industrial revolution, and then literally come to Japan and China in steampunk battle ships, press a futuristic pistol into their heads and say ''Now I'll make you notice me. Who's the barbarian now?''

    The moment external pressure abates, these Asian societies snap back to the original self-absorbed condition. Especially China, with it's separate Internet ecosphere only helping. Sure they love selling their products to the external world, and go visit it as tourists to take some prestige selfies in front of some crumbling amphitheater or castle, but otherwise not so much.

    Contemporary Russian quasi-Hollywood flicks for a good time with a brewski:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0011699060/ (Inception-type adventure)
    https://imgpile.com/images/NmCvHN.jpg
    https://imgpile.com/images/NmDzv1.png
    https://imgpile.com/images/NmCxJo.jpg

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5629524/ (second Inception-type adventure. Tony Banderas!!111!)
    https://imgpile.com/images/Nmxcok.jpg
    https://imgpile.com/images/Nmxrr2.jpg
    https://imgpile.com/images/NmxXiX.jpg

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8664988/ (Alien-invasion/apocalypse adventure)
    https://imgpile.com/images/NmT9Hl.jpg
    https://imgpile.com/images/NmbJ3x.png
    https://imgpile.com/images/NmdOFj.jpg

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8060328/ (Alien contact/disaster adventure)
    https://imgpile.com/images/NmKb5G.jpg
    https://imgpile.com/images/NmKjDR.png
    https://imgpile.com/images/NmMzPX.jpg

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt06054874/ (Pseudo-historical barbarian sword adventure)
    https://imgpile.com/images/NmdEbw.jpg
    https://imgpile.com/images/Nmhd4c.jpg
    https://imgpile.com/images/NmhLZG.jpg

    Modern Russian adventure sci-fi flicks and epic adventure flicks cost on average around $4 million to make. Make of that what you will.

    Replies: @melanf, @sher singh, @Alfa158

    Here is a decent Russian comic film (for two weeks it was the world leader at Netflix)

    https://www.netflix.com/ru-en/title/81438809

    Here is the trailer in English, I have an inverted one on my computer for unknown reasons
    https://youtu.be/cuSluHJGs9k

    Video Link
    The unversed version can be viewed at the link to Netflix

    • Thanks: Rahan
  • This translates to a homicide rate of 7.4/100,000 homicide rate using the US population of 332M as the denominator. I wrote about the history of the Russian homicide rates here. This is how the centennial comparison now looks like between Russia and the US after the latter's embrace of #BLM and community policing. US at...
  • @Aedib
    @Sh1pman

    Something related to Mongol ferocity?

    Replies: @melanf

    Something related to Mongol ferocity?

    Tuvans are not Mongols, they are a Turkic language group

    • Replies: @Anonymous lurker
    @melanf

    Well, they certainly don't look like Turks at least, but distinctly Asian/Mongolic, language aside.

    Anyway, are there any statisics on raw alcohol consumption by region to compare regional murder rates with? The reason I ask is that it's well known that there is an obvious baseline correlation, but if they stand out even considering that, the other contributing factors would be interesting to delve into.

    Replies: @SIMP simp

  • Yesterday the Levada Center released a new poll on vaccines that tends to confirm my contention that Russia's tawdry pace of vaccinations is not a result of supply constraints, but the banal fact that many Russians (including in older age groups) would simply rather catch Corona than get vaccinated. The first observation is that the...
  • @Ultrafart the Brave
    @melanf


    The vaccine reduces the likelihood of getting sick/dying, but it does not give a 100% guarantee.
     
    That statement is loyal to the official narrative - that is, the party line promoted and enforced by all government and medical beauracracies, the mainstream media and social media such as Twitter, Facebook, YouTube & etc, under the threat of suppression, censorship, deplatforming and persecution for any dissenters.

    However, that statement is also demonstrably false, and alarmingly so.

    The Corona Chan "vaccines" do not "reduce the likelihood of getting sick/dying" - they increase the risk of dying by a factor of x40 if you are old, and x260 if you are young. Just ask the Norwegians and the Israelis (and everyone else in every nation where these experimental concoctions have been rolled out)...

    https://anti-empire.com/norways-health-authority-says-further-use-of-astrazeneca-riskier-than-covid-recommends-pulling-vaccine-permanently/

    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/the-israeli-people-committees-april-report-on-the-lethal-impact-of-vaccinations/

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death-rate-for-israels-elderly-40-times-higher-than-covid-19-deaths-researchers

    https://freenations.net/record-vaccine-deaths-risk-greater-than-covid-governments-manipulate-data-illegal-tracking-of-vaccinated-illegal-propaganda-covid-fascists-revealed/

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-02-family-doctor-extreme-side-effects-moderna-jab.html

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-01-depopulation-alert-shocking-new-study-reveals-covid-vaccine-terminates-4-out-of-5-pregnancies-via-spontaneous-abortions.html

    While on the subject, let's not overlook the indisputable fact, from the FDA's and the CDC's own data, that the Corona Chan "vaccines" have killed more people in just 6 months than all other vaccines combined over the last 30 years!


    Especially against the delta strain, against which all vaccines work less effectively.

     

    Two things that should be clarified about the Corona Chan "vaccines" and the "deadly Delta variant"...

    1. The emphasis on the "deadliness" of the "deadly Delta variant" implied by the phrase "especially against the delta strain" is very misleading, because the "deadly Delta variant" is not "deadly" at all, in fact it is even less virulent than the original Corona Chan bug.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/follow-the-science-deadly-delta-variant-registers-a-99.9-recovery-rate

    2. All of the Corona Chan "vaccines" most certainly do work "less effectively" on the "deadly Delta variant", in fact it appears that they amplify the injuries and mortality from this bug to levels far greater than for the unvaccinated population!

    https://vaccines.news/2021-06-29-mortality-delta-variant-eight-times-higher-vaccinated.html
    https://gnews.org/1357351/

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-01-report-majority-now-dying-with-covid-are-vaccinated.html

    https://thehighwire.com/videos/episode-221-the-mrna-insider/
    https://media.livecast365.com/highwire/thehighwire/content/1624569509496.mp4

    Just to punctuate the fact that the Corona Chan "vaccines" are killing bucketloads of people, once again, here's that inconvenient truth exposed in a couple of screen captures (and remember, VAERS only catches between 1% - 10% of actual adverse events and deaths - you do the math).

    https://assets.lifesitenews.com/images/remote/https_www.lifesitenews.com/images/local/pdb1721.png

    https://assets.lifesitenews.com/images/remote/https_www.lifesitenews.com/images/local/pdc1721.png

    Replies: @melanf

    The Corona Chan “vaccines” do not “reduce the likelihood of getting sick/dying” – they increase the risk of dying by a factor of x40 if you are old, and x260 if you are young.

    In Russia, with 19 million vaccinated with two doses, anti-vaccinators can not even give real (not fake) examples of people who were vaccinated, but died from covid. That is, there are very few such people (who were vaccinated but died from covid)

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @melanf

    That may be true about Sputnik given that it is a regular flu vaccine: very few side effects but low effectiveness. In that case why bother?

    The MRNA shots are not really vaccines: they are an experimental genetic treatment that has been around for decades with minimal results against much harsher diseases. People took them out of desperation. To repackage MRNA as a corona killer was rather daring, it may work to some extent, but the story has been evolving and changing so many times that the risk - by definition - is high.

    You take risk if the danger or reward are high. If the danger is low, e.g. under 18 have 99.997% survival of corona, 18-30 healthy almost as good, it simply makes no sense to risk headaches, heart and neurological issues, etc...

    If by vaccinating young people make the lives of old and sick safer, they should be compensated. Are they? Don't we have a market system? But I haven't seen the elderly offering money, free rent, assets, to pay more in taxes,etc... Why are the young supposed to care if the old are not? The old are the selfish ones here.

    Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave, @Ultrafart the Brave

    , @Ultrafart the Brave
    @melanf


    In Russia, with 19 million vaccinated with two doses, anti-vaccinators can not even give real (not fake) examples of people who were vaccinated, but died from covid.
     
    Of course, you are correct.

    My bad.

    My error is, being a helpless Western lemming trapped in an American vassal state, I obsess over the real and present danger of the experimental Western bioweapons disguised as "vaccines" being forced down our throats.

    A clear and explicit distinction probably should be made in any discussion of these vaccines (or for the Western poisons, "vaccines"). Otherwise, someone stumbling blindly across one of these threads might miss the distinction.

    And thanks for providing further confirmation of the safety (so far) of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine.
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @melanf

    It would be interesting to see what his Hirsch score is. Does he have any publications in serious journals? (preferably not as part of huge collectives). There is a class of people in Russia who excel in amassing credentials without doing anything, would be instructive to see if Zverev is one of them.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @melanf

    It would be interesting to see what his Hirsch score is

    He is the director of the institute. Such people publish (co-authored) articles that they have not written or even read.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @melanf

    Hence my clarification that it preferably not be as part of large collectives.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @melanf

    https://fablesdelafontaine.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/20100605035749the_fox_and_the_grapes_-_project_gutenberg_etext_19994.jpg

  • @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I am extremely confident in the Sputnik vaccine.
     
    Do you feel the same about the Pfizer vaccine? It's the one that both I and my 89 year old roommate took, and so far we've avoided contracting any Covid. The talk now is that a booster shot will be highly recommended...?

    Replies: @melanf

    Do you feel the same about the Pfizer vaccine? It’s the one that both I and my 89 year old roommate took, and so far we’ve avoided contracting any Covid. The talk now is that a booster shot will be highly recommended…?

    What can be said for sure is that the best covid vaccines used now reduce the chance of getting sick with new covid strains by 5-10 times. So this is undoubtedly the best protection (except for complete isolation), but being vaccinated you can get sick, infect others, die. I was vaccinated in February, but I try to avoid unnecessary risks

  • @melanf
    @Bashibuzuk


    Zverev seems to think that the acquired immunity is quite robust.

    https://radiosputnik.ria.ru/20210629/1739040636.html
     
    Zverev is a disgusting charlatan who (based on his qualifications) should work as a janitor

    Replies: @melanf

    • LOL: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @melanf

    So Academician Zverev, twice decorated by the EusFed government is a charlatan in your opinion?


    С 1985 года работает в НИИ вирусных препаратов имени О. Г. Анджапаридзе РАМН, пройдя путь от старшего научного сотрудника до директора. 15 мая 1995 года защитил докторскую диссертацию «Структура гена CD4-рецептора и изучение антивирусного действия рекомбинантных форм CD4» (официальные оппоненты А. А. Краевский, В. З. Тарантул и Л. В. Урываев). В 2005 году проведена реорганизация НИИ вакцин и сывороток имени И. И. Мечникова РАМН в форме присоединения к нему НИИ вирусных препаратов имени О. Г. Анджапаридзе РАМН.

    С 2005 года по настоящее время возглавляет объединённый институт[2].

    Возглавляет кафедру микробиологии, вирусологии и иммунологии медико-профилактического факультета Сеченовского университета[3].

    12 февраля 1999 года избран членом-корреспондентом РАМН, 6 апреля 2002 года — академиком РАМН. 30 сентября 2013 года стал академиком РАН (в рамках присоединения РАМН и РАСХН к РАН).
     

    Since 1985 he has been working at the O. G. Andzhaparidze Research Institute of Viral Preparations of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, having worked his way up from a senior researcher to a director. On May 15, 1995 he defended his doctoral dissertation "The structure of the CD4 receptor gene and the study of the antiviral action of recombinant forms of CD4" (official opponents A. Kraevsky, V. Z. Tarantul and L. V. Uryvaev). In 2005, the reorganization of the II Mechnikov Research Institute of Vaccines and Serums of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences was carried out in the form of joining the Research Institute of Viral Preparations named after O. G. Andzhaparidze of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences.

    From 2005 to the present, he is the head of the joint institute [2].

    Head of the Department of Microbiology, Virology and Immunology, Faculty of Medicine, Sechenov University [3].

    On February 12, 1999, he was elected a corresponding member of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, on April 6, 2002 - an academician of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences. On September 30, 2013 he became an academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences (within the framework of the accession of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences and the Russian Academy of Agricultural Sciences to the Russian Academy of Sciences).

     

    I think we don't have anymore the great charlatans we once had. (Sarc.)

    😉
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @melanf

    It would be interesting to see what his Hirsch score is. Does he have any publications in serious journals? (preferably not as part of huge collectives). There is a class of people in Russia who excel in amassing credentials without doing anything, would be instructive to see if Zverev is one of them.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @melanf

  • @Bashibuzuk

    Especially against the delta strain, against which all vaccines work less effectively
     
    Don't think we have enough data to come to this conclusion. Zverev seems to think that the acquired immunity is quite robust.

    https://radiosputnik.ria.ru/20210629/1739040636.html

    Of course we have also read opposite opinions that suggest that the re-infections are happening. Probably safer to conclude that we currently don't know.

    Replies: @melanf

    Zverev seems to think that the acquired immunity is quite robust.

    https://radiosputnik.ria.ru/20210629/1739040636.html

    Zverev is a disgusting charlatan who (based on his qualifications) should work as a janitor

    • Replies: @melanf
    @melanf

    about Zverev
    https://pikabu.ru/story/virusolog_s_mirovyim_imenem_o_vaktsinatsii_8320459?cid=205155032

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Anatoly Karlin

  • @Bashibuzuk
    @melanf


    In matters of vaccination, the main factor is selfishness
     
    Agree with that.

    unvaccinated colleague infects me
     
    If vaccines work as advertised, the vaccinated people are safe from harm. So you imply that vaccinated people in RusFed do not believe that the vaccines are as effective as advertised?

    BTW, Sputnik is quite efficient according to a recent Nature publication.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01813-2

    “I was vaccinated! why are the others procrastinating! Because of them, the mask mode continues, restrictions, etc.”
     
    Понял, одному скучно...

    😉

    Now seriously, people should be free to stick to their principles. If the vaccine works fine, the vaxxers are at an advantage compared to the antivaxxers, the vaxxers should just quietly enjoy their advantage, shouldn't they?

    Also see this:

    https://kornev.livejournal.com/577439.html
    https://kornev.livejournal.com/577782.html

    Replies: @melanf, @Anatoly Karlin

    If vaccines work as advertised, the vaccinated people are safe from harm.

    The vaccine reduces the likelihood of getting sick/dying, but it does not give a 100% guarantee. Especially against the delta strain, against which all vaccines work less effectively

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @melanf

    Nothing works 100% and the delta strain is a much milder version of corona. Your search for a perfect, risk-less life at the expense of healthy and young (even children) is indeed an extreme selfishness. How about the people who feel at risk even after being vaccinated leave the society, shut the door behind themselves and live in isolation? Let the rest of us get on with our lives.

    If you still think that lockdowns and masks have anything to do with the percentage of vaccinated you have not been paying attention. Are you ready for your booster shot this fall? And next year? And the year after?

    , @Ultrafart the Brave
    @melanf


    The vaccine reduces the likelihood of getting sick/dying, but it does not give a 100% guarantee.
     
    That statement is loyal to the official narrative - that is, the party line promoted and enforced by all government and medical beauracracies, the mainstream media and social media such as Twitter, Facebook, YouTube & etc, under the threat of suppression, censorship, deplatforming and persecution for any dissenters.

    However, that statement is also demonstrably false, and alarmingly so.

    The Corona Chan "vaccines" do not "reduce the likelihood of getting sick/dying" - they increase the risk of dying by a factor of x40 if you are old, and x260 if you are young. Just ask the Norwegians and the Israelis (and everyone else in every nation where these experimental concoctions have been rolled out)...

    https://anti-empire.com/norways-health-authority-says-further-use-of-astrazeneca-riskier-than-covid-recommends-pulling-vaccine-permanently/

    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/the-israeli-people-committees-april-report-on-the-lethal-impact-of-vaccinations/

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death-rate-for-israels-elderly-40-times-higher-than-covid-19-deaths-researchers

    https://freenations.net/record-vaccine-deaths-risk-greater-than-covid-governments-manipulate-data-illegal-tracking-of-vaccinated-illegal-propaganda-covid-fascists-revealed/

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-02-family-doctor-extreme-side-effects-moderna-jab.html

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-01-depopulation-alert-shocking-new-study-reveals-covid-vaccine-terminates-4-out-of-5-pregnancies-via-spontaneous-abortions.html

    While on the subject, let's not overlook the indisputable fact, from the FDA's and the CDC's own data, that the Corona Chan "vaccines" have killed more people in just 6 months than all other vaccines combined over the last 30 years!


    Especially against the delta strain, against which all vaccines work less effectively.

     

    Two things that should be clarified about the Corona Chan "vaccines" and the "deadly Delta variant"...

    1. The emphasis on the "deadliness" of the "deadly Delta variant" implied by the phrase "especially against the delta strain" is very misleading, because the "deadly Delta variant" is not "deadly" at all, in fact it is even less virulent than the original Corona Chan bug.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/follow-the-science-deadly-delta-variant-registers-a-99.9-recovery-rate

    2. All of the Corona Chan "vaccines" most certainly do work "less effectively" on the "deadly Delta variant", in fact it appears that they amplify the injuries and mortality from this bug to levels far greater than for the unvaccinated population!

    https://vaccines.news/2021-06-29-mortality-delta-variant-eight-times-higher-vaccinated.html
    https://gnews.org/1357351/

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-01-report-majority-now-dying-with-covid-are-vaccinated.html

    https://thehighwire.com/videos/episode-221-the-mrna-insider/
    https://media.livecast365.com/highwire/thehighwire/content/1624569509496.mp4

    Just to punctuate the fact that the Corona Chan "vaccines" are killing bucketloads of people, once again, here's that inconvenient truth exposed in a couple of screen captures (and remember, VAERS only catches between 1% - 10% of actual adverse events and deaths - you do the math).

    https://assets.lifesitenews.com/images/remote/https_www.lifesitenews.com/images/local/pdb1721.png

    https://assets.lifesitenews.com/images/remote/https_www.lifesitenews.com/images/local/pdc1721.png

    Replies: @melanf

  • @Bashibuzuk
    @melanf


    as the number of vaccinated increases, they begin to put pressure on the unvaccinated, demanding that they be vaccinated
     
    And why would they do that ?

    Replies: @Aedib, @melanf

    And why would they do that ?

    In matters of vaccination, the main factor is selfishness. While a person is not vaccinated, he fears for his health (and what if the vaccine will harm me?). After he is vaccinated, the person again fears for his health (and what if an unvaccinated colleague infects me?) In addition, people are outraged “I was vaccinated! why are the others procrastinating! Because of them, the mask mode continues, restrictions, etc.”

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @melanf


    In matters of vaccination, the main factor is selfishness
     
    Agree with that.

    unvaccinated colleague infects me
     
    If vaccines work as advertised, the vaccinated people are safe from harm. So you imply that vaccinated people in RusFed do not believe that the vaccines are as effective as advertised?

    BTW, Sputnik is quite efficient according to a recent Nature publication.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01813-2

    “I was vaccinated! why are the others procrastinating! Because of them, the mask mode continues, restrictions, etc.”
     
    Понял, одному скучно...

    😉

    Now seriously, people should be free to stick to their principles. If the vaccine works fine, the vaxxers are at an advantage compared to the antivaxxers, the vaxxers should just quietly enjoy their advantage, shouldn't they?

    Also see this:

    https://kornev.livejournal.com/577439.html
    https://kornev.livejournal.com/577782.html

    Replies: @melanf, @Anatoly Karlin

  • @Aedib
    Our World in Data shows a strong acceleration of the vaccination rate in Russia (It is now around a million shots per day). Is this because of the government forcing the population to take the shots or because of fear to the delta variant?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @melanf, @Anatoly Karlin

    Our World in Data shows a strong acceleration of the vaccination rate in Russia (It is now around a million shots per day). Is this because of the government forcing the population to take the shots or because of fear to the delta variant?

    Both factors.

    There is also a third factor – as the number of vaccinated increases, they begin to put pressure on the unvaccinated, demanding that they be vaccinated

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @melanf


    as the number of vaccinated increases, they begin to put pressure on the unvaccinated, demanding that they be vaccinated
     
    And why would they do that ?

    Replies: @Aedib, @melanf

  • @utu
    @melanf

    "there was no such propaganda (at the state level)" - Sputnik V twitter account that propagated fake news from Hungarian data is not a state level?

    But you are correct about AstraZeneka. This is actually interesting. Russian media got some mileage from AstraZeneca document they uncovered:

    "Restoring Confidence in COVID-19 Vaccines and Improved Co-operation Between Regulatory, Healthcare Agencies and Pharmaceutical Companies"

    https://sputniknews.com/world/202105261083003470-more-deaths-related-to-vaccination-with-pfizer-than-astrazeneca---report/


    The Moscow office of the vaccine manufacturer confirmed to Sputnik the authenticity of the document.

    AstraZeneca confirms that it authored the document. This information was not intended for public release," the company's spokesperson said.
     
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/524907-russian-campaign-astrazeneca-report/

    and Iran and Pakistan sites

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/174034/Pfizer-vaccine-led-to-more-deaths-than-AstraZeneca-Report

    https://nation.com.pk/27-May-2021/more-deaths-related-to-vaccination-with-pfizer-than-astrazeneca-report

    If you google the title you can find the pdf of scanned copy at pharmvestnik.ru. I could not find the document anywhere else.

    Anti-vaxxers love that document.

    Replies: @melanf

    “there was no such propaganda (at the state level)” – Sputnik V twitter account that propagated fake news from Hungarian data is not a state level?

    Sputnik V twitter account this is not a state level.

    I have seen this state propaganda – there were critical articles “23 old men died in Norway…”, but there were laudatory articles and reports about the success of American scientists, mass vaccination in Israel, etc.
    In aggregate , this topic is covered neutrally

    The situation can be compared with the coverage of the Sputnik vaccine in the Western media: there are 100% fakes that are distributed by the Western state. media (https://www.dw.com/ru/ot-vakciny-sputnik-v-otkazyvajutsja-iz-za-halatnosti-proizvoditelja/a-57389820), there are laudatory articles

    The Moscow office of the vaccine manufacturer confirmed to Sputnik the authenticity of the document.

    AstraZeneca confirms that it authored the document. This information was not intended for public release,” the company’s spokesperson said.

    Astroseneka apparently should refute this document.

    By the way, is this also a fake created in Moscow?
    https://osf.io/a9jdq/

  • @JerseyMan
    Anatoly - are the deaths still currently concentrated among the elderly in Russia? Curious to know if the concentration in deaths has changed since the second wave?

    Regarding the vaccine resistant elderly in Russia, who do they support politically if not Putin? Communist Party?

    Replies: @melanf

    Regarding the vaccine resistant elderly in Russia, who do they support politically if not Putin? Communist Party?

    Yes. The “Communists” actively promote anti-vaccination populism. I didn’t like these people before, but only now I realized that a place should be prepared for them in the very depths of hell

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @melanf

    It’s not necessarily all commies, it’s specifically Uncle Zyu. His sell-by time has come and gone, his peak popularity was in 1996 (when, being a pathetic coward, he allowed Yeltsin to “win” by election fraud). So, he is desperate to use anything to prop up his “party”. There are anti-Zyu commies in Russia, who are a lot more palatable.

  • @utu
    @utu

    The mistake (perhaps intentional) is not different than in the claims based on Hungarian data that Sputnik is 7x-32x safer and more effective than other vaccines. As reiner Tor pointed out several times age profiles among vaccinated in Hungary were different for different vaccines. Unfortunately even the official Sputnik V twitter account was circulating this self-serving false news.

    https://twitter.com/sputnikvaccine/status/1386306782042144772

    Why were they doing it? They are not stupid like the readers of natural news. Was it a compensating for the fact that scaling up of vaccine production encounters great difficulties in Russia while Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZenca were successfully being delivered to tens of millions of people in the world. More doses were administered in 2 days in the world than what for Russia was taking six months?

    But more important issue is whether that kind of propaganda of badmouthing foreign vaccines that they are not safe backfired in Russia by contributed to growing anti-vaxx sentiments? Backfired from the point of view of ordinary Russians who would act against their interests but possibly benefitted Kremlin which wanted to keep the appearance of vaccine abundance.

    Replies: @melanf

    But more important issue is whether that kind of propaganda of badmouthing foreign vaccines that they are not safe backfired in Russia

    This is nonsense. there was no such propaganda (at the state level). But such propaganda was in Europe/America when the scandal with blood clots from AstroZeneka was inflated

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
    @melanf

    Australia currently offers its lemmings the AstraZeneca and pFizer "vaccines", with AstraZeneca to the older and pFizer to the younger.

    Anecdotally, the Australian mainstream reporting of adverse events overwhelmingly targets the AstraZeneca product, with a general public perception that the pFizer "vaccine" is the safer option.

    The same situation appears to prevail in Europe - AstraZeneca seems to cop most of the bad press.

    Yet the reality would seem to be quite the opposite - the AstraZeneca "vaccine" is actually substantially safer than the pFizer product, eg:

    https://principia-scientific.com/pfizer-vaccine-has-three-times-more-deaths-than-astrazeneca/

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/174034/Pfizer-vaccine-led-to-more-deaths-than-AstraZeneca-Report

    One might speculate that in the politics of the vaccine industry (and let's not forget who has the most invested in the global vaccine game?) a narrative is being nurtured to herd the lemmings away from AstraZeneca and into the mRNA camp.

    , @utu
    @melanf

    "there was no such propaganda (at the state level)" - Sputnik V twitter account that propagated fake news from Hungarian data is not a state level?

    But you are correct about AstraZeneka. This is actually interesting. Russian media got some mileage from AstraZeneca document they uncovered:

    "Restoring Confidence in COVID-19 Vaccines and Improved Co-operation Between Regulatory, Healthcare Agencies and Pharmaceutical Companies"

    https://sputniknews.com/world/202105261083003470-more-deaths-related-to-vaccination-with-pfizer-than-astrazeneca---report/


    The Moscow office of the vaccine manufacturer confirmed to Sputnik the authenticity of the document.

    AstraZeneca confirms that it authored the document. This information was not intended for public release," the company's spokesperson said.
     
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/524907-russian-campaign-astrazeneca-report/

    and Iran and Pakistan sites

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/174034/Pfizer-vaccine-led-to-more-deaths-than-AstraZeneca-Report

    https://nation.com.pk/27-May-2021/more-deaths-related-to-vaccination-with-pfizer-than-astrazeneca-report

    If you google the title you can find the pdf of scanned copy at pharmvestnik.ru. I could not find the document anywhere else.

    Anti-vaxxers love that document.

    Replies: @melanf

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @utu


    What was holding them back? Answer: All vaccine supplied was used.
     
    Addressed here for benefit of readers in the article and comments (see also melanf's), won't go over it again: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/dying-from-corona-in-russia/

    But still every day of 2021 the enthusiasm for vaccination was no less than 25%, so why less than 12% got vaccinated till the end of June 2021. Why did it take six month to get 12% vaccinated while the demand was at least twice as high during that period?
     

    Polls were showing that more than 25% wanted to be vaccinated and furthermore in official pronouncement it was stated that 60% were to be vaccinated by fall 2021.
     
    I have a (young) friend from the Russian Far East who came to Moscow recently, he is not anti-vaxxer like his gf and would have gotten it but was too lazy to do so (and is now bummed about it as can't visit restaurants while here). Percentage saying they will get vaccinated =/= actual number of people who will get vaccinated soon, absent a palpable sense of emergency in the air.

    Was anti-vaxxing disinformation ramped up? Was bad mouthing of western vaccines amplified?

    How to explain that Kremlin was able to create a mirage of vaccine surplus in Russia? Seemingly empty vaccination stations in public places and so on? What if the number of phone calls to seniors citizens nudging them to get vaccinated was reduced? What about some negative whispering fear-mongering campaign? Would that be beneath Kremlin?
     
    Conspiracy drivel. I walked past some of the vaccination stations myself at various points in the past few months, they were inevitable empty or near empty. For instance, here is the one at GUM around June 8 or June 9, this is the most central department store in Russia, something like Moscow's Harrods, right opposite the Kremlin.

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/moscow-gum-corona-vaccination-sputnik.jpg

    Do you see a queue there?

    There are aggressive bands of anti-vaxxers on Telegram channels who organize targeted harassment attacks against people who promote them. They have well known conspiracy "careers" even before Corona. They don't need GRU or FSB support to do what they do LMAO, this is Russiagate tier inanity.

    Re-Korea.

    Addressed by FB (who might be a nut, but not on this particular issue) here: https://www.unz.com/ishamir/putin-talks-to-the-nation/#comment-4760876

    But it seems that things are getting better. It could be that Kremlin decided to gyp foreign exported and increase domestic supply. It seems that push for vaccination from dissuasion went to effective persuasion. In the end of June 2021 daily vaccinations began to rapidly increase from 200k per day to over 500k per day.
     
    Or, alternatively, people say that the third wave is in full swing, their friends are ending up at the ER again, and vaccination (amongst vaxxers) has gone from "sometime" to "need to do it now."

    Supporting this interpretation is the fact that there is zero difference in the increase in vaccination tempo between regions that introduced various forms of obligatory vaccination, and those that didn't: https://www.facebook.com/alexx.dragan/posts/4222545907804553

    https://i.imgur.com/KapwFMS.jpg

    Replies: @melanf, @216

    Three obvious factors that determined the low (until recently) rates of vaccination can be easily named

    1)vaccination (until recently) gave absolutely no advantages (people without vaccination could go anywhere, travel, not wear a mask…)

    2) Lack of censorship on the Internet (unlike in America/Europe). In this case, it is evil

    3)Most (based on previous experience) were confident that the epidemic would end in the summer

  • @Per/Norway
    @melanf

    then it is not a vaccine is it?

    last time i checked a vaccine meant that i am not able to get that disease, and believe me i have grown up in Norway where we are filled with poison vaccines from birth.
    So your newspeak is just making you sound retarded and brainwashed🤷‍♂️

    Replies: @melanf, @Triteleia Laxa, @Bill

    then it is not a vaccine is it?

    The vaccine that reduces the likelihood of getting sick by 4-5 times has a protective effectiveness of 80-90%. This is a high efficiency for the vaccine

  • @Sinotibetan
    @melanf

    Such a reasoning is dangerous. Recently , I had the opportunity to speak to some colleagues who were involved in the medical management of Covid patients. There were a considerable number of young patients with no previous medical co-morbidities with severe Covid : bad organizing pneumonia as well as concurrent pulmonary embolism. They also tend to deteriorate rather quickly, some had mild illness in the morning ,only to require intubation in the evening with severe cytokine storm. Seemingly a high percentage of these young patients succumb to the disease. Earlier on during the pandemic, at least in their experience, it was not the case.
    Of course these are all anecdotal. Unfortunately, I do not have data on whether the disease has evolved to be deadlier on the young with no co-morbids or this is just the experience of the medical center I work with.

    Replies: @melanf, @Beckow

    Such a reasoning is dangerous

    I know. I personally know university students who were in the hospital with affected lungs. But This is even before the delta strain

  • @Beckow
    @melanf


    ...I’m young, so covid is not dangerous for me, and I don’t care about other people.
     
    If they are vaccinated how in the world could the young jeopardise them? Do you lack logic?

    In any case, when did the elderly do anything for the young? What right do you have now to ask for sacrifices and favours? It is payback time, it takes two to show social solidarity.

    Replies: @melanf, @Bill

    If they are vaccinated how in the world could the young jeopardise them?

    The best vaccines reduce the probability of getting sick by 5-10 times (in the case of the delta strain of Covid). So the danger is quite real even for the vaccinated

    • Replies: @Per/Norway
    @melanf

    then it is not a vaccine is it?

    last time i checked a vaccine meant that i am not able to get that disease, and believe me i have grown up in Norway where we are filled with poison vaccines from birth.
    So your newspeak is just making you sound retarded and brainwashed🤷‍♂️

    Replies: @melanf, @Triteleia Laxa, @Bill

    , @Ultrafart the Brave
    @melanf


    The best vaccines reduce the probability of getting sick by 5-10 times (in the case of the delta strain of Covid).
     
    With respect, we all do our best to make sense of what is happening in the world using whatever information we can obtain.

    However, I get the impression that a dogmatic faith in the "science of vaccines" is prejudicing many people's critical faculties. Call something a "vaccine" and it magically takes on the miraculous benevolent properties that we assume should apply to a "vaccine".

    Maybe this faith is warranted for the Russian vaccines.
    I certainly hope so, for the Russians' sake.

    The reality for the Western "vaccines" is not so rosy. For example, in the case of the "deadly Delta variant", we already have compelling evidence that Western Corona Chan "vaccines" make you more likely to catch the "Delta" strain, and far more likely to die from it.

    Corona Chan "Delta Variant" Mortality 8 Times Higher in Vaccinated Than Unvaccinated
    https://vaccines.news/2021-06-29-mortality-delta-variant-eight-times-higher-vaccinated.html
    https://gnews.org/1357351/

    Corona Chan "Delta Variant" Caused and Spread By "Vaccines" - 62% of Corona Chan Deaths are "Vaccinated"
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-01-report-majority-now-dying-with-covid-are-vaccinated.html
     
    There's also horrifying data on the effects of the Corona Chan "vaccines" on pregnant women - yet Western governments seem determined to keep pushing them to bend over and take the kill shot.

    Corona Chan "Vaccines" Cause 82% Spontaneous Abortions in First & Second Trimester Pregnancies
    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-01-depopulation-alert-shocking-new-study-reveals-covid-vaccine-terminates-4-out-of-5-pregnancies-via-spontaneous-abortions.html
     
    Wishful thinking isn't much help after the funeral.

    Replies: @utu

  • @Sinotibetan
    This is unfortunate for Russia, since the Sputnik V Covid vaccine is efficacious and so far does not seem to have vaccine induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia as an adverse effect like other adenovirus carrier vaccines (Astra Zeneca, J and J).
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01813-2

    I wonder if these Putin-hating Russian youths will actually accept Sputnik V vaccines if the EMA approves it(an extremely unlikely event, I suppose), or do they only prefer American /Western vaccines?

    Replies: @melanf, @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I wonder if these Putin-hating Russian youths will actually accept Sputnik V vaccines if the EMA approves it

    Of course, they will not be vaccinated in this case either. The reasoning “I am not vaccinated because I am against Putin” is just a fig leaf. The real reasoning looks like this – “I’m young, so covid is not dangerous for me, and I don’t care about other people.” But that’s not what they say out loud

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Thanks: Sinotibetan
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @melanf


    ...I’m young, so covid is not dangerous for me, and I don’t care about other people.
     
    If they are vaccinated how in the world could the young jeopardise them? Do you lack logic?

    In any case, when did the elderly do anything for the young? What right do you have now to ask for sacrifices and favours? It is payback time, it takes two to show social solidarity.

    Replies: @melanf, @Bill

    , @Sinotibetan
    @melanf

    Such a reasoning is dangerous. Recently , I had the opportunity to speak to some colleagues who were involved in the medical management of Covid patients. There were a considerable number of young patients with no previous medical co-morbidities with severe Covid : bad organizing pneumonia as well as concurrent pulmonary embolism. They also tend to deteriorate rather quickly, some had mild illness in the morning ,only to require intubation in the evening with severe cytokine storm. Seemingly a high percentage of these young patients succumb to the disease. Earlier on during the pandemic, at least in their experience, it was not the case.
    Of course these are all anecdotal. Unfortunately, I do not have data on whether the disease has evolved to be deadlier on the young with no co-morbids or this is just the experience of the medical center I work with.

    Replies: @melanf, @Beckow

  • short of it being made mandatory – but that is unlikely to happen, 58% oppose that idea and so does Putin

    A recent survey – 40% of Russian residents are in favor of mandatory vaccination, 14% are against
    https://wciom.ru/analytical-reviews/analiticheskii-obzor/vakcinacija-s-ehlementami-objazatelnosti-za-i-protiv

    • Thanks: Sinotibetan
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  • @AnonFromTN
    @melanf

    Even w/o this, vaccinations in Russia were easily accessible. I got my first shot of Sputnik V at VDNKh point in June. Every Russian citizen and foreigners with valid permits were inoculated efficiently (still had to stand ~ 1 h in line to get my shot). The drawback is that even though they give you official record, indicating the date, time, and batch of vaccine used, you have to get your second shot in the same place as the 1st. I hoped to do both in June, but that would involve being in the same place for 21 days, which was impractical for me. Now I will get my 2nd shot at VDNKh in July (I need to go to Russia for other business, anyway). Allowing to get two shots at different locations would be a smart move.

    Replies: @melanf

    Even w/o this, vaccinations in Russia were easily accessible.

    This situation has been going on for many months. But now the number of vaccinated people has jumped many times, and the situation has changed. In my town, I went to the polyclinic-there were a lot of people who came hundreds of kilometers away. It turned out that they came to be vaccinated – only in our remote area they are vaccinated immediately, in other polyclinics of St. Petersburg there are queues for a week

  • Enthusiasts and skeptics

  • A new vaccination point in Moscow is designed for vaccination of 6000 per day. As soon as the tail was slightly pinched for those who did not want to be vaccinated, the number of those who were vaccinated with the first dose jumped from 120,000 to 500,000 per day

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @melanf

    Even w/o this, vaccinations in Russia were easily accessible. I got my first shot of Sputnik V at VDNKh point in June. Every Russian citizen and foreigners with valid permits were inoculated efficiently (still had to stand ~ 1 h in line to get my shot). The drawback is that even though they give you official record, indicating the date, time, and batch of vaccine used, you have to get your second shot in the same place as the 1st. I hoped to do both in June, but that would involve being in the same place for 21 days, which was impractical for me. Now I will get my 2nd shot at VDNKh in July (I need to go to Russia for other business, anyway). Allowing to get two shots at different locations would be a smart move.

    Replies: @melanf

    , @Agathoklis
    @melanf

    Looks like an attractive nurse. Russian men should be running to get vaccinated.

    , @Shortsword
    @melanf

    Russian vaccination rate started increasing about two weeks ago. It's up to 700k doses per day. Before that the daily average was under 300k.

    Note that increase is only in first doses. The production for the second doses has been underwhelming so it's possible that many of these people may only get single dose vaccinations (which is marketed as "Sputnik Light").

    Replies: @AP

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  • @Triteleia Laxa
    Random question: are there any examples of Russian and Chinese elites intermarrying?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Blinky Bill, @melanf, @melanf

    Chiang Kai-shek’s son Chiang Ching-kuo

    ” Chiang Kai-shek purged KMT leftists, had Communists arrested or killed, and expelled his Soviet advisers. Chiang Ching-kuo responded from Moscow with an editorial that harshly criticized his father’s actions but was nonetheless detained as a “guest” of the Soviet Union, a practical hostage. Debate still continues as to whether he was forced to write the editorial, but he had seen Trotskyist friends arrested and killed by the Soviet secret police. The Soviet government sent him to work in the Ural Heavy Machinery Plant, a steel factory in the Urals, Yekaterinburg (then Sverdlovsk), where he met Faina Ipat’evna Vakhreva, a native Belarusian. They married on 15 March 1935, and she would later take the Chinese name, Chiang Fang-liang. In December of that year, their son, Hsiao-wen was born.”

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    Random question: are there any examples of Russian and Chinese elites intermarrying?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Blinky Bill, @melanf, @melanf

  • Prestigious. *** * Putin-Biden summit in Geneva. No surprises to the upside or the downside (if you credited the theory that Biden wants to curtail the breakdown of US-Russian relations to slow down its drifting alliance with China). $150M in weapons aid to Ukraine canceled, on top of the dropping of sanctions against German companies...
  • @The Big Red Scary

    Moscow having just made vaccination mandatory for people employed in state services
     
    I myself have just received marching orders. There are ways around it for enthusiastic anti-vaxxers, but I was planning to get sputniked anyway, in case my immunity from an earlier live infection has started to wane.

    Replies: @sudden death

    There are ways around it for enthusiastic anti-vaxxers,

    There might be quite shitty loop – anti-vaxxers will buy fake vax certificates, then get infected and sick, including mortal outcomes, thus overall infections will remain relatively high and Sputnik domestic protection stats will go down the drain too, therefore giving more mental weaponry for remaining anti-vaxxers.

    • Agree: melanf
  • @utu
    @Anatoly Karlin

    "where you got that data from" - GOGOV


    https://gogov.ru/articles/covid-v-stats

    На сегодня (20.06.21):
    19 675 725 чел. (13.46% от населения, 28.52% от плана**) - привито хотя бы одним компонентом вакцины
    15 248 371 чел. (10.43% от населения, 22.1% от плана**) - полностью привито
     

    Replies: @melanf

    I don’t even know where you got that data from, it’s 13.3% as of today according to the most cited resource on vaccinations progress: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

    https://gogov.ru/articles/covid-v-stats
    As of today (20.06.21) vaccinated
    19,675,725 people (13.46% of the population

    This is the same as what Karlin claims

    • Replies: @utu
    @melanf

    "This is the same as what Karlin claims" - If you thought so why you didn't bring it up when Karlin wrote his comment and left his insinuation hanging that I did not know what I was talking about because my number was wrong? But it is not the same: "fully vaccinated" is not the same as "received at least one dose." You do not have to side with Karlin on everything. Besides he can defend himself when he is correct and you won't help him when he is wrong.

    Replies: @Demografie

  • Is now the correct approach. I mean sure, many/most floomers are people with only a tenuous grasp on reality who don't understand things like "excess mortality." That said, with vaccines available now widely available across the First World - certainly to the age groups who are vastly more likely to die from Corona - it...
  • @Commentator Mike
    @melanf

    That graph shows that Covid-19 incidence went down to almost zero before, during the summer of 2020, even without any vaccines. The vaccination campaign is being conducted in Europe in earnest and then they'll claim when it goes down during the summer that it was due to the vaccines. Wait until autumn to see what happens

    Replies: @melanf

    That graph shows that Covid-19 incidence went down to almost zero before, during the summer of 2020, even without any vaccines.

    San Marino, having vaccinated almost the entire population, completely suppressed covid, while in the neighboring regions of Italy the epidemic continued (I do not know how now, but some time ago the situation was exactly like this). So it was the vaccine that worked.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  • @Triteleia Laxa
    You're probably directionally right in your pessimism, but there's a few reasons for greater optimism.

    1. Covid immunity likely fades over your life time, but does not disappear. If you catch it in your teens, you may still have some protection in your 80s. This will reduce its effect greatly.

    2. Rightoids tend to quietly get with the programme, after making a big fuss about the end of the world.

    3. Viruses trend to lower lethality over time.

    4. Hysteria will find a new outlet. Little outbreaks, of a less lethal kind, will be ignored.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @reiner Tor

    Viruses trend to lower lethality over time.

    That’d be true if lethality was 60%, but with 1%? Smallpox has been around for millennia, and its lethality was 1%. I think it even had another strain, also thousands of years old, with a much higher lethality.

    So that’s just not true.

    • Agree: melanf
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @reiner Tor

    You sure smallpox didn't trend lower over time? It is an unlikely set of circumstances that make a virus lethal. Most viruses are harmless.

    I therefore infer that mutations will tend to make them less lethal; like randomly changing a letter a year in Hamlet, will make it make less sense.

    But I am no expert.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  • @The Big Red Scary
    @Greta Handel

    I shall assume charitably that you understand why everyone will eventually get infected without vaccines, and assume instead that you are asking about evidence concerning the effectiveness of vaccines.

    It would be easy and convincing to test effectiveness using challenge trials, but unlike our ancestors, we are cowards.

    However, there is strong anecdotal evidence that the Pfizer vaccine works (Israel), and serological data is now available:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01325-6

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2814-7

    Similarly for Sputnik V:

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00234-8/fulltext

    And perhaps our very own Mr. Karlin is a point in that data.

    Replies: @Greta Handel, @melanf

    the number of San Marino residents infected with Covid-19 by day. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/san-marino/

    The blue vertical line is the arrival of the first batch of Satellite V in San Marino (February 23). Red line – 35 days from the date of vaccination of the first citizens of San Marino (35 days-the time interval after which, according to the Gamalei center, the effectiveness of the vaccine reaches 97%). In San Marino, 90% of the adult population is vaccinated, most of them-Sputnik V

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    @melanf

    That graph shows that Covid-19 incidence went down to almost zero before, during the summer of 2020, even without any vaccines. The vaccination campaign is being conducted in Europe in earnest and then they'll claim when it goes down during the summer that it was due to the vaccines. Wait until autumn to see what happens

    Replies: @melanf

  • I don't have the reputation of someone who stans for Russia's record on dealing with Corona. I was writing about how Russian official statistics were massively understating Corona mortality more than a year ago, before Western journalists generally noticed it, and followed that theme up in the subsequent months. Ironically, Russia's development of one of...
  • @Old Brown Fool
    @melanf

    I saw Small Pox eradicated 100% through vaccination; but then those were the days when things worked the way they were supposed to work. One shot, you are immune for life.

    Replies: @melanf, @Vishnugupta

    Smallpox was an obvious threat to everyone. Coronavirus devilishly plays on human psychology – “I am young and healthy, only old people die from covid, so I will not be vaccinated/perform anti-epidemic measures.” If covid killed with the same probability (and in the same terrible way) like Ebola, humanity would have suppressed the epidemic long ago, and there would have been orders of magnitude fewer victims

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
    @melanf

    True; one thing from this mandemic is now people will treat every cold with suspicion; the whole Coronavirus family will be now hunted. A murderer in the family of pickpockets will cause the whole family to be chased out...

  • @Aedib
    @melanf

    I thought it was mainly a political issue with Bolsonaro trying to please his American masters by torpedoing the Sputnik-V in Latin America.

    Replies: @melanf

    (from U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Annual Report)

    • Agree: Aedib
    • Thanks: AltanBakshi, reiner Tor
  • @sudden death
    @Brás Cubas


    Russia has been eager to sell vaccines to Brazil. We have at last authorized them for emergency use, but with some puzzling limiting quotas imposed by the regulating entity. So, if we are not importing more it’s probably not due to lack of availability.
     
    Were those Sputnik quality issues found in Brazil (some live cold virus inside, capable to multiply, IIRC) resolved in new imported emergency use batches or those were same old, just regulating entity decided it was not that dangerous thing afterall?

    Replies: @Brás Cubas, @melanf

    Were those Sputnik quality issues found in Brazil (some live cold virus inside, capable to multiply, IIRC)

    The Monday announcement left many scientists and media outlets believing Anvisa had directly tested Sputnik V for replicating adenoviruses, which would be unusual for a regulatory agency. But Anvisa has since clarified— _it had not_ and was relying on information provided by the Gamaleya National Center of Epidemiology and Microbiology, the Moscow-based developer of the vaccine.”
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/04/russias-covid-19-vaccine-safe-brazils-veto-sputnik-v-sparks-lawsuit-threat-and

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
    • Thanks: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Aedib
    @melanf

    I thought it was mainly a political issue with Bolsonaro trying to please his American masters by torpedoing the Sputnik-V in Latin America.

    Replies: @melanf

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Finnishguy78

    I haven't seen any convincing evidence that newer Corona strains are significantly more virulent, as opposed to just progressively more infectious.

    Is there any such evidence? I appreciate anecdotes, but anecdotes < statistics. (Also @ Vishnugupta).

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Brás Cubas, @melanf

    I haven’t seen any convincing evidence that newer Corona strains are significantly more virulent, as opposed to just progressively more infectious.

    Denis Logunov (the creator of Sputnik V) right now explained to the country’s leadership (at the state award ceremony) that the Indian strain is now the most dangerous, because it” deceives ” the immune system (including vaccine immunity – the vaccine protects, but less effectively)

    https://naked-science.ru/article/medicine/moscow-and-indian-strains-sars-cov-2

  • @utu
    @melanf

    I get this impression that you are no longer sincere. You know you have no arguments left so you opted for making few random noises.

    Whatever was slated for internal use in Russia for this period by Kremlin decisions has been fully utilized. And more will be utilized as more supplies will be coming. I predict that by the end of July 20% prevalence will be reached providing that Kremlin slates at least 5o% of vaccine production for the domestic use.

    Kremlin decided to sell almost 50% of its production to other countries is another though related issue. It tells you about Kremlin priorities that Kremlin prefers doing international PR and making few bucks over helping Russians by providing more vaccines. If Kremlin was more concerned with Russians almost 20% of Russians would have been vaccinated by now. And you would not need silly Karlin stories that anti-vaxxer body snatchers took over 90% of Russians.

    Replies: @Levtraro, @melanf

    I get this impression that you are no longer sincere…

    The reality given to us in the observations is that I and the people I know were vaccinated without any problems months ago. Vaccinate everywhere without the slightest problems. These are facts that are available to direct observation (and not through telivisor and other media). From people (whom I know), I know that the same situation is all over the country.

    In most regions there are different programs to attract people to vaccination – people are given money for vaccination, food packages, tickets for performances, various bonuses, etc. Advertising of vaccination is everywhere – for example, when you buy a ticket for the train, the vending machine shows advertising of vaccination.

    I will not argue with you further, I am not interested in conspiracy theory

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mersaux

    These statistical manipulations aren't widely known. Those who do know about them (e.g. people who understand what "excess mortality" means and/or follow certain data bloggers) are not the types who would be anti-vaxxers in the first place.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @melanf

    These statistical manipulations aren’t widely known. Those who do know about them (e.g. people who understand what “excess mortality”

    It’s not that simple here (about “manipulations”). Excess mortality includes

    1)people who (without being sick with coronavirus) died due to the fact that hospitals were overflowing with coronavirus patients
    2) people who successfully overcame the coronavirus, but died later (without being sick with coronavirus) from the effects of the coronavirus. According to the calculations of the journal Nature, such people are almost twice as likely to die from other diseases

  • @sudden death
    @melanf

    Is there any data available (no matter independent or by designers/makers themselves) about Sputnik's efficacy against variants?

    Replies: @melanf

  • @utu
    @melanf


    Oh what a tangled web we weave
    When first we practice to deceive
     
    There are lies and there is a subtle conspiracy. Karlin spreads Dmitry Peskov lies

    Russia lags behind others in its COVID-19 vaccination drive (May 3, 2021)
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-coronavirus-world-news-europe-health-3d166261cb9f80964c8ce1e1ef9a4525
    On April 28, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said there are enough vaccines available in Russia, adding that demand was the defining factor in the country’s vaccination rate.
     
    and you seem to believe them.

    Pretty much all vaccines that were released for the internal market after passing the quality control have been used. The demand is obviously much higher. The responsible and dutiful citizens are waiting for appointments which they will get once more vaccine is available. The vaccination rate is around 10% so far because there was no vaccines for more. But once more vaccines are made available the vaccination rate will increase. You will see in July that vaccination rate will reach 20% or higher.

    Waiting lists for the shot remain long in places. In the Sverdlovsk region, the fifth most-populous in Russia, 178,000 people were on a wait list by mid-April, regional Deputy Health Minister Yekaterina Yutyaeva told AP.
     
    The conspiracy part is that Kremlin purposefully downplayed vaccination urgency to create a perception of vaccine abundance. Vaccine abundance is artificial.

    I don't want to believe that Kremlin was behind social media anti-vaxxing campaign to reduce the demand, though everything is possible, but certainly Kremlin benefited from growing anti-vaxxing sentiments. Also the bad mouthing Western vaccines and their side effects in Russian media could have contribute to mistrust:

    Rumors about the alleged dangers of vaccines actually surged on social media in December, when Russia began administering the shots, and have continued steadily since then, said social anthropologist Alexandra Arkhipova.
     
    Kremlin did not start full speed vaccination campaign in media until late March:

    A proper media campaign promoting vaccinations didn’t begin on state TV until late March, observers and news reports note. Videos on the Channel 1 national network featured celebrities and other public figures talking about their experience but didn’t show them getting injected. President Vladimir Putin said he received the shot about the same time, but not on camera.
     
    And then there are mixed messages. Kremlin actions made people think that the pandemics is over:

    Dragan, the data analyst, says one possible explanation for the reluctance is the narrative from authorities that they have tamed the outbreak, even if that assessment might be premature.

    With most virus restrictions lifted and government officials praising the Kremlin’s pandemic response, few have motivation to get the shot, he said, citing an attitude of, “If the outbreak is over, why would I get vaccinated?”

    Government statistics say infections have stayed at about 8,000-9,000 per day nationwide, with 300-400 deaths recorded daily. But new cases have been steadily increasing in Moscow in the past month, exceeding 3,000 last week for the first time since January.
     
    Anyway, 30% and probably more people in Russia are willing to get vaccinated and with some nudging more will. But for this to happen vaccines must be made available first. The availability is limited by the production capacity in Russia. Not all batches pass the quality control. Possibly more vaccines will come from India which was licensed to produce Sputnik V.

    Replies: @melanf, @Anatoly Karlin, @Levtraro, @Gerard-cancel culture

    The vaccination rate is around 10% so far because there was no vaccines for more.

    I’m sorry, but this is completely ridiculous. 10% is vaccination rate with two doses of the vaccine. If the reason was a lack of vaccine – it was possible to vaccinate only the first dose (which is easier to produce). According to Argentine data https://www.diariocontexto.com.ar/2021/06/02/estudio-revelo-que-la-sputnik-v-tiene-una-efectividad-con-una-sola-dosis-de-786/ , the first dose of Sputnik had an efficiency of 76% among the elderly-and
    this is a very good efficiency.

    In addition many millions of doses of the vaccine are sold abroad

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @melanf

    Is there any data available (no matter independent or by designers/makers themselves) about Sputnik's efficacy against variants?

    Replies: @melanf

    , @utu
    @melanf

    I get this impression that you are no longer sincere. You know you have no arguments left so you opted for making few random noises.

    Whatever was slated for internal use in Russia for this period by Kremlin decisions has been fully utilized. And more will be utilized as more supplies will be coming. I predict that by the end of July 20% prevalence will be reached providing that Kremlin slates at least 5o% of vaccine production for the domestic use.

    Kremlin decided to sell almost 50% of its production to other countries is another though related issue. It tells you about Kremlin priorities that Kremlin prefers doing international PR and making few bucks over helping Russians by providing more vaccines. If Kremlin was more concerned with Russians almost 20% of Russians would have been vaccinated by now. And you would not need silly Karlin stories that anti-vaxxer body snatchers took over 90% of Russians.

    Replies: @Levtraro, @melanf

  • @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I think one big failure was Putin not getting the vaccine for a long time, and then not in front of cameras.

    It could have a very mundane reason, like Putin having an irrational fear of needless. I know an otherwise fit guy who doesn’t seem very cowardly or anything, but he cannot stand blood or needles, and turns pale whenever he sees something like that. (Though I’m pretty sure that such irrational fears could be treated, it might be embarrassing for Putin, and most people having it just treat it as a kind of personality quirk.)

    Replies: @melanf

    I think one big failure was Putin not getting the vaccine for a long time, and then not in front of cameras.

    This is undoubtedly a great failure personally for Putin, but it has had a negligible effect on the rate of vaccination

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @melanf

    It's not a big effect, but anecdotally speaking, I don't think it is entirely negligible. A number of the "Putler wants to genocide the pensioners with vaccines" people have cited it as "proof" for their theories.

    In fairness if it was not this it would probably be some other nonsense, when Putin did get the vaccine, their new tack was that it was a placebo.

  • @utu
    @AP

    So how do you explain the fact that vaccination rate in Russia is steady, so the function of vaccinated vs. time remains linear?

    https://i.ibb.co/VqhrvjF/Russia-Vac.png

    Why is it that in one week of April the same number of people got vaccinated as in one week of June? The vaccination in Russia is controlled by vaccine supply not by vaccine demand. The alleged phenomenon of waning public interest in vaccination that Kremlin and Karlin are trying to make us believe in would imply reaching a point where the curve bend with negative 2nd derivative. In the US the curve bending began in mid April when the number of vaccinated was 40%. This is when the curve began to be controlled by the demand.

    So how is it done that week after week for last 8 weeks the same number of people get vaccinated each week? Why people who got vaccinate in June did not get vaccinated in April? Why did they wait 8 weeks? What made them suddenly get up in June and go to get vaccinated? It is simple: there is a hidden rationing of vaccine while Karlin tries to make us believe that everybody can just walk in. Few can but most people who want to get vaccinated must wait for their turn through some signing up process just like it is being done in other countries where in order not to overwhelm the system people of special groups and ages were permitted to sign up for vaccination and the vaccination date is assigned to them.

    It is really sad that Karlin is willing to libel his compatriots with accusation of obscurantism and anti-vaxxers idiocies in order to hide the fact that there is vaccine shortage in Russia, that Russia has no production capacity to satisfy the demand. A proud nationalist who for the sake of Kremlin arse covering PR is willing to paint 90% of his compatriots as idiots, the 90% who did not get vaccinated. They did not because they could not. Dying still is not optional in Russia!

    Replies: @melanf, @AP

    So how do you explain the fact that vaccination rate in Russia is steady, so the function of vaccinated vs. time remains linear?….The vaccination in Russia is controlled by vaccine supply

    “The vaccination in Russia is controlled by vaccine supply” – this hypothesis is complete nonsense as it contradicts empirical observations. Come to Russia and go to the shopping center to see how the vaccination points work (alternatively, call these vaccination points and find out what you need to get vaccinated). If you do not want to do this, it is better to stop posting conspiracy theories here

    In addition, the rate of vaccination changes-here is a graph of the average number of vaccinated per week

    https://gogov.ru/articles/covid-v-stats

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @utu
    @melanf


    Oh what a tangled web we weave
    When first we practice to deceive
     
    There are lies and there is a subtle conspiracy. Karlin spreads Dmitry Peskov lies

    Russia lags behind others in its COVID-19 vaccination drive (May 3, 2021)
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-coronavirus-world-news-europe-health-3d166261cb9f80964c8ce1e1ef9a4525
    On April 28, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said there are enough vaccines available in Russia, adding that demand was the defining factor in the country’s vaccination rate.
     
    and you seem to believe them.

    Pretty much all vaccines that were released for the internal market after passing the quality control have been used. The demand is obviously much higher. The responsible and dutiful citizens are waiting for appointments which they will get once more vaccine is available. The vaccination rate is around 10% so far because there was no vaccines for more. But once more vaccines are made available the vaccination rate will increase. You will see in July that vaccination rate will reach 20% or higher.

    Waiting lists for the shot remain long in places. In the Sverdlovsk region, the fifth most-populous in Russia, 178,000 people were on a wait list by mid-April, regional Deputy Health Minister Yekaterina Yutyaeva told AP.
     
    The conspiracy part is that Kremlin purposefully downplayed vaccination urgency to create a perception of vaccine abundance. Vaccine abundance is artificial.

    I don't want to believe that Kremlin was behind social media anti-vaxxing campaign to reduce the demand, though everything is possible, but certainly Kremlin benefited from growing anti-vaxxing sentiments. Also the bad mouthing Western vaccines and their side effects in Russian media could have contribute to mistrust:

    Rumors about the alleged dangers of vaccines actually surged on social media in December, when Russia began administering the shots, and have continued steadily since then, said social anthropologist Alexandra Arkhipova.
     
    Kremlin did not start full speed vaccination campaign in media until late March:

    A proper media campaign promoting vaccinations didn’t begin on state TV until late March, observers and news reports note. Videos on the Channel 1 national network featured celebrities and other public figures talking about their experience but didn’t show them getting injected. President Vladimir Putin said he received the shot about the same time, but not on camera.
     
    And then there are mixed messages. Kremlin actions made people think that the pandemics is over:

    Dragan, the data analyst, says one possible explanation for the reluctance is the narrative from authorities that they have tamed the outbreak, even if that assessment might be premature.

    With most virus restrictions lifted and government officials praising the Kremlin’s pandemic response, few have motivation to get the shot, he said, citing an attitude of, “If the outbreak is over, why would I get vaccinated?”

    Government statistics say infections have stayed at about 8,000-9,000 per day nationwide, with 300-400 deaths recorded daily. But new cases have been steadily increasing in Moscow in the past month, exceeding 3,000 last week for the first time since January.
     
    Anyway, 30% and probably more people in Russia are willing to get vaccinated and with some nudging more will. But for this to happen vaccines must be made available first. The availability is limited by the production capacity in Russia. Not all batches pass the quality control. Possibly more vaccines will come from India which was licensed to produce Sputnik V.

    Replies: @melanf, @Anatoly Karlin, @Levtraro, @Gerard-cancel culture

  • @reiner Tor
    @melanf

    This is a pretty useless table. The Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines were initially reserved for the elderly with chronic illnesses. Younger people with comorbidities were usually given the AstraZeneca vaccine. The Sinopharm was given to healthy old people and to younger people. The Sputnik vaccine was given mostly to fit young people. The cause of death is also unclear, it appears that it includes deaths from other causes.

    It’s even worse than that, because the Pfizer vaccine was started to be distributed early in January (or late December), the Sputnik only in February and mostly March and later. So simply those with the Sputnik had less time to get infected and die.

    But it perhaps does show something: the Sputnik V is probably not a poison.

    Replies: @melanf

    This is a pretty useless table.

    Of course, such data can not be used to compare vaccines, I understand this very well. But these data (if they are correct) are suitable for refuting urban legends (“at my work, 12 people were vaccinated, 6 of them are now on a ventilator in the hospital, two have already died from coronavirus”)

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  • @Rich
    @Finnishguy78

    Are you guys insane? There is a 99.7% survival rate for people who get the disease. Only the very elderly and those with serious co-morbidities risk death from the virus. A year ago, when we didn't have all the stats, your position was arguable. Now that we know it was mostly hype, can you guys stop and just admit you were wrong? Why not?

    Replies: @utu, @Passer by

    You are not thinking about long term health damages, aren’t you? Its just “death rates”. Covid is known to cause lung and brain damage and i personally know several people in the 30 – 60 year old range who started to have memory problems after it.

    • Agree: melanf, reiner Tor
    • Disagree: Rich
    • Replies: @joniel
    @Passer by

    Anti-vaccine people are now complaining about the dangers of the "spike protein" created by the vaccine. First of all, the "spike proteins" created by the vaccine are not released freely throughout the body. Secondly, what do they think happens when they get a natural infection of the virus? The spike proteins from a viral infection are moving freely throughout the circulatory system and causing tremendous damage to peoples' organs. Getting vaccinated is the far better option than toughing it out with an infection.

    , @Rich
    @Passer by

    What evidence do you have of long term damages from the virus? Many well credentialed scientists have written about potential long term harm from the gene therapy experiment you guys are pushing. Why do you ignore them and instead trust those who have a financial interest in pushing the shots? I'll stick with the control group, you go with the experimental medication, in 1 or 3 years we should know who was right.

    Replies: @Passer by

  • @reiner Tor
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Big pharma is not making a lot of money, as evidenced by their lackluster stock market performance.

    But it’s interesting that you trust this artificially enhanced chimerical virus straight out of a lab more than a vaccine literally doing a fraction of what the virus itself does.

    Replies: @RodW, @RadicalCenter, @melanf, @utu, @Dmitry, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    If you can specify one point. The second table (in English) is quite consistent with the table in Hungarian?

    The source of the “Hungarian” table is here https://www.facebook.com/kormanyzat/posts/5439413329464676

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @melanf

    This is a pretty useless table. The Pfizer and the Moderna vaccines were initially reserved for the elderly with chronic illnesses. Younger people with comorbidities were usually given the AstraZeneca vaccine. The Sinopharm was given to healthy old people and to younger people. The Sputnik vaccine was given mostly to fit young people. The cause of death is also unclear, it appears that it includes deaths from other causes.

    It’s even worse than that, because the Pfizer vaccine was started to be distributed early in January (or late December), the Sputnik only in February and mostly March and later. So simply those with the Sputnik had less time to get infected and die.

    But it perhaps does show something: the Sputnik V is probably not a poison.

    Replies: @melanf

  • @Ultrafart the Brave
    @melanf


    In terms of side effects and effectiveness, the Sputnik roughly corresponds to mRNA vaccines (judging by the information that is known).
     
    I have so far seen no reports at all of adverse effects from the Sputnik V vaccine used in over 60 nations around the world.

    If you have access to any such reports, it would be helpful to provide this information for others to investigate.

    Meanwhile, the pFizer and Moderna mRNA seem to be the most deadly of all the Corona Chan "vaccines", outpacing all other contenders for the most serious adverse events and fatalities.

    [ https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death-rate-for-israels-elderly-40-times-higher-than-covid-19-deaths-researchers ]

    [ https://www.bitchute.com/video/bSxEe9RS0P29/ ]
     
    FWIW, the mRNA "vaccines" from pFizer and Moderna seem to be the gift that just keeps on giving, with new surprises (not disclosed by pFizer and Moderna) being discovered weekly. For example, take this gem -

    Magnetofection - Magnetic Components Deliberately Inserted into pFizer & Moderna mRNA "Vaccines"

    [ https://www.bitchute.com/video/bHthoQmn3lFl/ ]
    [ https://zb10-7gsop1v78.bitchute.com/r8wq75doLqKP/bHthoQmn3lFl.mp4 ]
     
    If one were prone to speculation, one might wonder just how these undisclosed features of the Moderna and pFizer mRNA "vaccines" are designed to interact with the already planned "booster shots" and whatever other new surprises they may have in store for us.

    Replies: @melanf

    I have so far seen no reports at all of adverse effects from the Sputnik V vaccine used in over 60 nations around the world. If you have access to any such reports, it would be helpful to provide this information for others to investigate.

    Argentine report on the effects of 3.4 million SPUTNIK V dose
    https://bancos.salud.gob.ar/sites/default/files/2021-05/2021-05-14-informe-11.pdf

    data on the side effects of the Sputnik V vaccine in San Marino
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.03.21256509v1

    ” analysis confirmed a good tolerability profile in the over 60 years age group after both doses regarding short-term solicited AEFI to Sputnik V (Gam-COVID-Vac).”

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
  • @utu
    @melanf

    When 90% of supply is bought by public and the remaining 10% is exported and some is still lingering on shelves I can believe that the equilibrium between supply and demand has been reached. This is the case with 50 tons of black caviar that Russia produces. If however Kremlin decided to spend money on advertisement campaign that caviar is good for you and that eating caviar is a patriotic duty of every Russian then there would be caviar shortage and people would stand in lines for it. It does not make sense for Kremlin to make Eat the Black Caviar campaign because practically all of produced caviar is already consumed.

    Would it make sense for Kremlin to make intensive vaccination campaign if all produced vaccines are already utilized? No. That's why there are no lines for vaccines because raising demand does not make sense. If anything lowering demand is in Kremlin's interest because Kremlin prioritizes export for political reasons. Russian anti-vacxxers and Karlin who blames them while winking his eye are working hand in hand with Kremlin to help Kremlin obscure how pathetically low is Russia's capacity for vaccine production and the fact that Kremlin cynically prioritizes foreigners over Russians by exporting almost 50% of produced vaccines.


    Russia delivers Sputnik V vaccine to St Petersburg after shortage problems (March 19, 2021)
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine-sho/russia-delivers-sputnik-v-vaccine-to-st-petersburg-after-shortage-problems-idUSKBN2BB1QX

    Since then several Russian regions, excluding Moscow, have reported shortages, with some Russians voicing frustration about Russia sending vaccines abroad, arguing that more shots should be made available at home.

    In St Petersburg, Russia’s second-largest city, there has been a shortage of the first component of the two-shot vaccine in more than 30 out of around 120 vaccination points, said Olga Ryabinina, the local health committee’s spokeswoman.
     

    Replies: @melanf, @melanf

    When 90% of supply is bought by public and the remaining 10% is exported and some is still lingering on shelves I can believe that the equilibrium between supply and demand has been reached. This is the case with 50 tons of black caviar that Russia produces. If however Kremlin decided to spend money on advertisement campaign that caviar is good for you and that eating caviar is a patriotic duty of every Russian then there would be caviar shortage

    Have you ever heard of cases where people received money for eating black caviar? Some companies pay employees 10,000 rubles (about $ 130) for vaccination

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    @melanf

    My employer tried to force us to get the normal flu shot for the last few years, but has made a point of saying the covid vaccine is voluntary. Go figure.

    , @utu
    @melanf

    You do not want to get my point. Karlin's article is a blatant manipulation reflected in its title: Dying from Corona in Russia Has Long Been "Optional". Russia does not have enough vaccines to cover those who need it. For this reason Kremlin does not promote vaccination as it should so it creates a false image of oversupply and instead Kremlin prays that more people become anti-vaxxers. Then people like Karlin can write that everything is hunky-dory while blaming stupidity of people who do not want to get vaccinated. If those who need it tried to get it most of them would be left empty handed. Dying is not optional in Russia.

    I admit that this lie is very cleverly constructed. Kremlin is very good at PR as far as their own population goes. People like Karlin dish it out and people like you eat it up. But however you disguise it and wrap it up a lie is a lie. In USSR they lied as well but at least when it came to vaccinations they did not tacitly promote obscurantist anti-vaxxer positions to deceive people that there is plenty of vaccines. This is very cynical and clever and I can see that this kind of lies is exactly what Karlin likes. Bu there is a price for it: you will end up having more misinformed idiots in your country who hopefully in the end will see through the lies and then will hang Karlin by his balls.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

  • @g2k
    @The Big Red Scary

    If Sputnik is the Russian equivalent of AstraZeneca and EpiVac akin to Phizer/Modena then the latter will probably have fewer or no side effects. Anecdotally, everyone I know who took the AZ one had mild flu-like symptoms the following day (I think AK said he had that from Sputnik, can't remember), everyone (including myself) who took the Phizer one had a mildly sore arm the following day, about half as bad as from a flu shot.

    Replies: @Vishnugupta, @melanf

    If Sputnik is the Russian equivalent of AstraZeneca and EpiVac akin to Phizer/Modena then the latter will probably have fewer or no side effects.

    Sputnik is NOT an analog of Astrazeneca, but rather a combination of the Covidence and Johnson &Johnson vaccines. In terms of side effects and effectiveness, the Sputnik roughly corresponds to mRNA vaccines (judging by the information that is known). EpiVacCorona is apparently a non-working vaccine.

    no side effects.

    These vaccines have side effects

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
    @melanf


    In terms of side effects and effectiveness, the Sputnik roughly corresponds to mRNA vaccines (judging by the information that is known).
     
    I have so far seen no reports at all of adverse effects from the Sputnik V vaccine used in over 60 nations around the world.

    If you have access to any such reports, it would be helpful to provide this information for others to investigate.

    Meanwhile, the pFizer and Moderna mRNA seem to be the most deadly of all the Corona Chan "vaccines", outpacing all other contenders for the most serious adverse events and fatalities.

    [ https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/experimental-vaccine-death-rate-for-israels-elderly-40-times-higher-than-covid-19-deaths-researchers ]

    [ https://www.bitchute.com/video/bSxEe9RS0P29/ ]
     
    FWIW, the mRNA "vaccines" from pFizer and Moderna seem to be the gift that just keeps on giving, with new surprises (not disclosed by pFizer and Moderna) being discovered weekly. For example, take this gem -

    Magnetofection - Magnetic Components Deliberately Inserted into pFizer & Moderna mRNA "Vaccines"

    [ https://www.bitchute.com/video/bHthoQmn3lFl/ ]
    [ https://zb10-7gsop1v78.bitchute.com/r8wq75doLqKP/bHthoQmn3lFl.mp4 ]
     
    If one were prone to speculation, one might wonder just how these undisclosed features of the Moderna and pFizer mRNA "vaccines" are designed to interact with the already planned "booster shots" and whatever other new surprises they may have in store for us.

    Replies: @melanf

  • @The Big Red Scary
    I got COVID the old-fashioned way, but am considering getting vaxxed anyway, and my options are Sputnik or EpiVacCorona.

    What’s with EpiVacCorona? Supposedly, there is some Telegram of trial participants complaining about lack of effectivity and illness after the second shot. Legit, or more black PR?

    Replies: @g2k, @melanf

    I got COVID the old-fashioned way, but am considering getting vaxxed anyway, and my options are Sputnik or EpiVacCorona.

    Then get vaccinated Sputnik V. EpiVacCorona according to published data is an extremely ineffective vaccine

  • @utu
    @melanf

    When 90% of supply is bought by public and the remaining 10% is exported and some is still lingering on shelves I can believe that the equilibrium between supply and demand has been reached. This is the case with 50 tons of black caviar that Russia produces. If however Kremlin decided to spend money on advertisement campaign that caviar is good for you and that eating caviar is a patriotic duty of every Russian then there would be caviar shortage and people would stand in lines for it. It does not make sense for Kremlin to make Eat the Black Caviar campaign because practically all of produced caviar is already consumed.

    Would it make sense for Kremlin to make intensive vaccination campaign if all produced vaccines are already utilized? No. That's why there are no lines for vaccines because raising demand does not make sense. If anything lowering demand is in Kremlin's interest because Kremlin prioritizes export for political reasons. Russian anti-vacxxers and Karlin who blames them while winking his eye are working hand in hand with Kremlin to help Kremlin obscure how pathetically low is Russia's capacity for vaccine production and the fact that Kremlin cynically prioritizes foreigners over Russians by exporting almost 50% of produced vaccines.


    Russia delivers Sputnik V vaccine to St Petersburg after shortage problems (March 19, 2021)
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine-sho/russia-delivers-sputnik-v-vaccine-to-st-petersburg-after-shortage-problems-idUSKBN2BB1QX

    Since then several Russian regions, excluding Moscow, have reported shortages, with some Russians voicing frustration about Russia sending vaccines abroad, arguing that more shots should be made available at home.

    In St Petersburg, Russia’s second-largest city, there has been a shortage of the first component of the two-shot vaccine in more than 30 out of around 120 vaccination points, said Olga Ryabinina, the local health committee’s spokeswoman.
     

    Replies: @melanf, @melanf

    Russia delivers Sputnik V vaccine to St Petersburg after shortage problems (March 19,

    So it was in March, and the problem was relative (the number of vaccination points temporarily decreased). But this situation was corrected after a week. Now in St. Petersburg there is a huge surplus of opportunities to vaccinate – there are even vaccination points working at night (apparently for the convenience of vaccinating vampires)

  • @Felix Keverich
    For months Russian state TV presented coronavirus as a foreign problem. Their priority was to protect Putin's approval rating. There is definitely not enough fear in the population - Russians simply do not understand why they need to be vaccinated.

    Replies: @melanf

    For months Russian state TV presented coronavirus as a foreign problem. …. There is definitely not enough fear in the population – Russians simply do not understand why they need to be vaccinated.

    That’s not true. In addition to state propaganda on television, in the spring and early summer of 2020, the authorities broadcast several times a day from a loudspeaker that Covid is a deadly danger,and precautions must be taken. One of the main arguments of the Russian white trash – “I do not believe in the coronavirus because it is constantly promoted by the state media”

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  • @utu
    @utu


    COVID-19 vaccine: Here's why Russia is struggling to make Sputnik V doses (May 14, 2021)
    https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/pharma/covid-19-vaccine-here-why-russia-is-struggling-to-make-sputnik-v-doses/story/439057.html

    President Vladimir Putin has trumpeted the vaccine around the world, and said in March that Russia had signed agreements for the production of 700 million doses of Sputnik V vaccine abroad. But Russia had produced just 33 million vaccines as of May 12 and exported fewer than 15 million, according to a Reuters tally that counted each vaccine as consisting of two doses.
     
    If the numbers are true, the vaccination rate in Russia equals the vaccine available supply. It could be increased at most by the factor of two if vaccines were not exported. So at best vaccination rate in Russia could be 20%. So I do not think that skeptics and anti-vaxxers have any impact on the vaccination rate in Russia. While the subject of anti-vaxxers and other neo-obscuratists are always interesting as psychological and sociological phenomena Karlin's focus on them serves to obscure the discrepancy between Russia's PR success of Sputnik V vaccine and the Russia's inability to produce the vaccine.

    Replies: @Demografie, @melanf

    Karlin’s focus on them serves to obscure the discrepancy between Russia’s PR success of Sputnik V vaccine and the Russia’s inability to produce the vaccine.

    I can fully confirm what Karlin said. For many months, people can be vaccinated by Sputnic without any problems – in polyclinics, shopping centers, at field vaccination points, at work, etc. In some regions (as well as in many enterprises) those who are vaccinated receive money

    So I do not think that skeptics and anti-vaxxers have any impact on the vaccination rate in Russia.

    In the case of Russia, they are the decisive factor. If they were not there, restrictions related to the volume of production would begin to apply, but in the current reality, there are more vaccines than those who want to be vaccinated

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin, AP, mal
    • Replies: @utu
    @melanf

    When 90% of supply is bought by public and the remaining 10% is exported and some is still lingering on shelves I can believe that the equilibrium between supply and demand has been reached. This is the case with 50 tons of black caviar that Russia produces. If however Kremlin decided to spend money on advertisement campaign that caviar is good for you and that eating caviar is a patriotic duty of every Russian then there would be caviar shortage and people would stand in lines for it. It does not make sense for Kremlin to make Eat the Black Caviar campaign because practically all of produced caviar is already consumed.

    Would it make sense for Kremlin to make intensive vaccination campaign if all produced vaccines are already utilized? No. That's why there are no lines for vaccines because raising demand does not make sense. If anything lowering demand is in Kremlin's interest because Kremlin prioritizes export for political reasons. Russian anti-vacxxers and Karlin who blames them while winking his eye are working hand in hand with Kremlin to help Kremlin obscure how pathetically low is Russia's capacity for vaccine production and the fact that Kremlin cynically prioritizes foreigners over Russians by exporting almost 50% of produced vaccines.


    Russia delivers Sputnik V vaccine to St Petersburg after shortage problems (March 19, 2021)
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine-sho/russia-delivers-sputnik-v-vaccine-to-st-petersburg-after-shortage-problems-idUSKBN2BB1QX

    Since then several Russian regions, excluding Moscow, have reported shortages, with some Russians voicing frustration about Russia sending vaccines abroad, arguing that more shots should be made available at home.

    In St Petersburg, Russia’s second-largest city, there has been a shortage of the first component of the two-shot vaccine in more than 30 out of around 120 vaccination points, said Olga Ryabinina, the local health committee’s spokeswoman.
     

    Replies: @melanf, @melanf

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @michael droy

    Sputnik prevents even minor illness in 90% of cases, and both death and hospitalisation in 100%. Immunity, unlike sex, is non-binary.

    Replies: @melanf

    S

    putnik prevents even minor illness in 90% of cases, and both death and hospitalisation in 100%. Immunity, unlike sex, is non-binary.

    There have never been 100% effective vaccines in the history of mankind, and Sputnik is no exception. Undoubtedly, there are those who were vaccinated, and then went to the hospital with covid, for sure, there are also those who died from the crown. The vaccine reduces the probability of such an outcome tenfold, but does not give a 100% guarantee

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @melanf

    It is ~100% against death. Even with no vaccine, Covid is ~100% against death!

    , @Old Brown Fool
    @melanf

    I saw Small Pox eradicated 100% through vaccination; but then those were the days when things worked the way they were supposed to work. One shot, you are immune for life.

    Replies: @melanf, @Vishnugupta

  • If you don’t like Sputnik V for whatever reason, you now get the choice of getting the Vector Institute’s EpiVacCorona instead.

    Unlike Sputnik, EpiVacCorona (based on what is known about it) gives zero protection against coronavirus. Although this can be considered as another measure for population selection (idiots who are not able to understand the effectiveness of vaccines will be vaccinated with EpiVacCorona)

  • My attention was brought to the following map of Ukraine's IQ. I don't know the methodology behind it, but it seems to be based on what is not an uncommonly cited average (usually low to mid 90s) coupled with the results of the ZNO, which is the nationwide school-leaving exam in Ukraine. Russia's equivalent is...
  • After the latest data on the IQ of different regions of the world (published by Anatoly Karlin), in which Aragon was 10 points higher than Scotland, I completely lost faith in the value of such maps.
    But I will note on the results of school exams – a huge role is played by motivation for success (or lack of such motivation). With the same intelligence, the more motivated students will far outperform the less motivated ones.

    Speculatively, perhaps “internal colonization” selected for stupider (poorer, more desperate) peasants.

    The idea that in the 18th and 19th centuries the most stupid peasants settled free land – well, it is clearly absurd.

  • This week's Open Thread. *** * Zach Goldberg, the guy who coined the "Great Awokening", is now blogging at Substack. You should give him a follow. * Alex Tabarrok observed that it is "depressing" that you'd have done better investing in Dogecoin this year than in Pfizer. I think this is a function of (1)...
  • @Bashibuzuk
    @SafeNow

    And this living simply did not impede her from creating beautiful poetry and raising her son in manner that would allow him producing an outstanding contribution to ethnography (ethnogenesis through passionarity).

    Being rich and comfortable is good, staying human is better. If you need to choose, do it wisely.

    https://myhero.com/content/images/thumbs/0140456_anna-akhmatova.jpeg

    https://magazines.gorky.media/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/LG.jpeg

    Replies: @melanf

    raising her son in manner that would allow him producing an outstanding contribution to ethnography (ethnogenesis through passionarity).

    https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/tag/lev-gumilev/
    Lev Gumilev’s Ethnogenesis and the Biosphere (which, for those of you who don’t know, is an influential work in neo-Eurasianist thought). It certainly isn’t light reading, and is more than a little odd. The idea that ethnic groups (ethnoi) are a product of an upsurge of people who have a mutation giving them a greater capacity to convert energy into work (passionarnost’) is weird enough. The idea that this energy comes from the animate matter of the ‘biosphere’ and also from some sort of mysterious and undefined ‘cosmic radiation’ is downright kooky. At least old Lev was smart enough to realize that the ‘noosphere’ [derived from the Greek word ‘nous’, meaning mind] was a load of nonsense, but otherwise I can’t say that he convinced me of his theories. I sympathize with those who think that they’re pseudo-scientific gobbledegook. ”

    • LOL: HenryBaker
    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @melanf

    I can never get away from the impression that 95% of irrationalist Rightism is a load of horseshit. Everyone can cook up stories like these.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @melanf

    It's all orgones, all the way down.

    https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0441/7919/4022/products/org123h_1296x.jpg

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @melanf

    Gumilyov was a poet, just like both his parents were. His theory is poetic. This doesn't mean that he was incorrect in his observations.

    He correctly described the ethnogenesis and passionarity, but he could not find a convincing explanation of why the ethnogenetic impulse appeared and how it was produced. His "biosphere induced" "mutation " hypothesis might today be more adequately phrased in terms of epigenetic influence on psychological types and behavioral patterns.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33798973/

    Gumilyov was a genius and a seer, seers find a path forward and then "Soviet Engineers " fill in the details and streamline the narrative so it could be taught in universities.

    https://lurkmore.to/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F

    🙂

    , @mal
    @melanf


    The idea that ethnic groups (ethnoi) are a product of an upsurge of people who have a mutation giving them a greater capacity to convert energy into work (passionarnost’) is weird enough. The idea that this energy comes from the animate matter of the ‘biosphere’ and also from some sort of mysterious and undefined ‘cosmic radiation’ is downright kooky.
     
    I have read a number of Gumilev's books when i was like 10 (that's what you get for growing up in librarian family) and that's not how i remember it at all.

    'Passionarnost' is an idea adopted from biology (those logistics growth curves that all life follows - steady state, exponential growth to fill the niche, steady state, decline) and applied to culture. I think that was a pretty clever approach and its still valid to this day.

    As for energy, 'cosmic radiation', and 'biosphere'... Err... Seriously? Gumilev studied Eurasian nomadic tribes (Mongols, Turkic tribes etc) and how rainfalls, draughts, solar radiation etc were impacting nomadic migration patterns.

    In a modern world where if you are hungry you can buy a potato from Japan or whatever Gumilev has less relevance. But in middle ages and earlier, climate had massive impact on both settled cultures and nomadic migration. How is that 'kooky'? And yes, for people of those times energy came from organic source - horse. Of course. And horse ate animate matter - grass. Grass was impacted by sun radiation and rainfall. How is that controversial in any way i don't understand.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  • The YouGov poll on which animal Americans could take in a fight (covered by Sailer) was complemented by another poll asking Brits those same questions. American women sure are confident. The Brits are... realistic? (On the large animals, at any rate). Anyhow, for what little opinion (never having fought any of these animals) is worth:...
  • Well, grizzly bears and polar bears should be essentially similar, and both would cardinally outclass any of the big cats.

    In the Far East of Russia, there are cases when tigers hunted grizzlies. There are also known cases when tigers in India successfully hunted elephants. In Africa, in some places there are lion prides specializing in killing elephants.

  • @Max Payne
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz0avWZoqjg

    A silverback gorilla.... might be a challenge with its limbs. Feels like a small Japanese SUV charging at you.

    Tiger is a an assassin, a lion is a fighter. Tigers rely on ambushing their prey with a killing wound from a tree like a good branch manager. Lions are assholes that maul for lolz. They seem to have a greater stamina recovery rate.

    But man.... MAN (that forged HIS-STORY) can take on all with his bare hands.

    Here is a nice gentleman teaching nature to stop being gay:

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gHa3Fd1AYbs/YLlDdP6UJcI/AAAAAAAAHRk/GmSOBpMgs2ALrRbsb2uffMJVOJOUdAzzwCLcBGAsYHQ/s500/bear.png

    This young child (Khabib) head locks a bear to remind nature to eat dicks:

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-opCe5Jvd14M/YLlD0zsNbHI/AAAAAAAAHRs/RySeE15xfbgaXkROi32ii1wa-hZhzcPEgCLcBGAsYHQ/s635/khabib.png

    there are records of humans including women who killed leopards unarmed.
     
    Pussy cats, oversized pussy cats:
    https://149366112.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/marlice-van-vuuren.jpg

    American women are sheltered by Western civilization, disconnected from reality more than teenage male gamers.

    Replies: @UNIT472, @BlackFlag, @melanf

    Pussy cats, oversized pussy cats:

    Heavily underestimated pussy cat (the only surviving saber-toothed cat)

  • there are records of humans including women who killed leopards unarmed

    Funny joke

    An approximate analogue – the combat power of the machine gun is greatly overestimated, there are many cases when unarmed men and even women won a battle with a machine gunner.

  • Cargo traffic through Russian ports has almost doubled over the past decade (only Corona, a temporary factor, prevented a full doubling), after increasing by a factor of three during the previous decade. Here is how it looks like per port/region (h/t genby): The blue section corresponds to Arctic traffic and it had a full doubling....
  • @Xi-Jinping
    @A123

    Orthodox Christianity is not as great of an identity in Russia as you think. The government is trying to push it, but I believe this is a mistake (perhaps it is intentional).

    Next Russia should be moving away from Orthodox Christianity as Orthodox Christianity/Church has historically been the enemy of the Russian People. In fact, what does a jewish religion of desert nomads have to do with Russia?

    But that is neither here nor there.

    Asia is far more likely to accept Russia than Europe because Asia has not had a history of bloody religious wars and is mostly athiest/buddhist and thus religion does not play a significant role in its decision making.

    Finally, Russians have an aspect of Asian genetics thanks to conquest by Mongols and later intermixing with asiatic tribes.

    Replies: @melanf

    Orthodox Christianity is not as great of an identity in Russia as you think. The government is trying to push it, but I believe this is a mistake (perhaps it is intentional).

    Next Russia should be moving away from Orthodox Christianity as Orthodox Christianity/Church has historically been the enemy of the Russian People.

    true

  • *** * CORE. Richard Hanania - Freedom House, Woke Imperialists. Traditionally, Freedom House just penalized countries for not hewing to American geopolitical interests (e.g. see What I Learned from Freedom House…). Now, it's transitioned to also penalizing them for opposing liberal/Woke positions, such as Poland's opposition to "LGBT and gender ideology", while the "connection between...
  • “Netflix acquired the rights to show the cult Russian films Brother and Brother 2 directed by Alexei Balabanov. ”

    So now Americans will be able to watch the most racist and intolerant film in history

    “You are not my brother, black-ass nit”

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
    @melanf

    Maybe not.... From a Reddit discussion a Bing search found:


    BabyWookie

    The last time I saw it on Russian TV, the “I ain’t your bro, you black-ass nit.” scene was censored, replaced with something inoffensive....
     
    One wonders what'll be in the masters Netflix gets. Could not find much else Netflix getting the films in some searches, did come across some factoids: The first movie is in a list of "8 films that will help you improve your Russian" and it was banned in the Ukraine in the last decade, apparently due to unflattering depictions of Ukrainians. And not knowing of these movies, this bit from a review promises lots of fun in the sequel:

    Things take a surprising turn when Danila and his brother Viktor travel to America to avenge his friend’s death and help his twin brother - a hockey player, unceremoniously robbed by a “bad American guy”.

    In Chicago, Danila gets busy exchanging blows with African-Americans, rescuing a Russian prostitute and killing half of the city’s gangsters.
     
  • The rumors that Roman Protasevich was associated with the Azov Battalion, a Neo-Nazi regiment incorporated into the Ukrainian National Guard, came off as too perfect of a "pro-Kremlin" caricature for me to initially put much faith in them. But over the past couple of days it has been more or less confirmed that those initial...
  • “Netflix acquired the rights to show the cult Russian films Brother and Brother 2 directed by Alexei Balabanov. ”

    So now Americans will be able to watch the most racist and intolerant film in history

    “You are not my brother, black-ass nit”

  • Cargo traffic through Russian ports has almost doubled over the past decade (only Corona, a temporary factor, prevented a full doubling), after increasing by a factor of three during the previous decade. Here is how it looks like per port/region (h/t genby): The blue section corresponds to Arctic traffic and it had a full doubling....
  • Znzn says:

    If you are thinking that global warming will make Yakutia or Chukota into the next agricultural Ohio or Indiana it will not be for the next few centuries.

    • Agree: melanf
    • Replies: @Znzn
    @Znzn

    Also the population of Arctic ports like Tiksi is still shrinking, so maybe all of these extra cargo volumes are not providing so much employment per additional container handled?

    Replies: @Passer by

    , @Svevlad
    @Znzn

    It will never - but Magadan and Kamchatka will be roughly southern Canadian by 2100 as the Siberian High collapses

    The problem is that the north parts are very exposed to arctic currents - there's no large mountain chain to block them all the way until the south

  • *** * CORE. Richard Hanania - Freedom House, Woke Imperialists. Traditionally, Freedom House just penalized countries for not hewing to American geopolitical interests (e.g. see What I Learned from Freedom House…). Now, it's transitioned to also penalizing them for opposing liberal/Woke positions, such as Poland's opposition to "LGBT and gender ideology", while the "connection between...
  • @The Big Red Scary
    @melanf

    What does Plague Doctor have to do with Navalny? (I haven’t read the comics or seen the film.)

    Replies: @melanf

    What does Plague Doctor have to do with Navalny? (I haven’t read the comics or seen the film.)

    In my opinion, the Plague Doctor has nothing in common with Navalny (the penguin man resembles Navalny much more). In the comics, the plague doctor was copied from Durov, but in the film it’s just an image of a man who went mad on the basis of the struggle for justice.

    But Navalny’s supporters waged a hysterical campaign on social media against the film. The result? The main viewers (and fans) of the film were youngsters from Moscow and St. Petersburg. They don’t give a damn about Navalny

  • @not-me
    @Jim Christian

    Yes it is. If you pay attention to their open eds, and articles in general, you will notice the j-slant. In general in Russia they control much of the media, they don't dare (yet) to be so openly anti-russian, but they have been working on the young. Navalny's case: the fact alone that he was working for the West should have disqualified him in the eyes of Russians, but still many youngsters, women, and blinded others supported him. I pity Russia. They will need to get over many of the ideological rotten seeds planted by the bolshevik period. First law by batiushka Lenin was to make antisemitism illegal. Today is also illegal. I wonder if anti-russism is there illegal. To the Russian speakers, are there any Russian (not West puppets) internet sites within Russia good to visit?

    Replies: @melanf

    but still many youngsters,

    In reality, not much at all. Recently, the film “The Plague Doctor” was released – this film was fiercely cursed by Navalny’s fans as a mockery of their idol. On the Internet, there was a whole company with the exposure of the film. The result? When the new comics were announced (with the characters of the film), a crowd of schoolchildren almost demolished a bookstore in Moscow.

    The absolute majority of youngsters do not give a damn about Navalny

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
    @melanf

    What does Plague Doctor have to do with Navalny? (I haven’t read the comics or seen the film.)

    Replies: @melanf

    , @Insomniac Resurrected
    @melanf


    the film “The Plague Doctor” was released
     
    Various bitch ass commentators, like Khovansky, linked the films plot to Navalny and the protest crowd. But from what I have heard, it does not match...
  • The rumors that Roman Protasevich was associated with the Azov Battalion, a Neo-Nazi regiment incorporated into the Ukrainian National Guard, came off as too perfect of a "pro-Kremlin" caricature for me to initially put much faith in them. But over the past couple of days it has been more or less confirmed that those initial...
  • @Caspar Von Everec
    East Slavic men have a strange phenotype. They either look like gangsters and stone cold killers with a defined face, or they look flappy with a chubby face. There's very little in between.

    Bronze Age Pervert is one of the few Russian men i've seen who are good looking but don't look like gangster who'll firebomb your house for looking at his sister..

    Though East Slavic women however...God's gift to men. Russian women need to have 10 babies each. Especially girls like Kristina Pimenova. I can't for the life me think why the Nazis believed Russians to be untermensch. How could any race with such beautiful women be subhuman?


    https://www.instagram.com/kristinapimenova/?hl=en

    Replies: @Insomniac Resurrected, @melanf

    East Slavic men have a strange phenotype

    East Slavic men have completely different phenotypes (and different origins)

    And here is a random photo of the crowd – in my opinion, quite ordinary faces of both men and women.

    All men are gopiniki and women are beauties – this seems to me to be urban legends and not reality

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @melanf

    Uriah had one of his powerful takes on Slav HBD as well which vaguely lent credence to Caspar's notions:

    https://twitter.com/crimkadid/status/1288010756684906497

    This does not gel with my personal experience, a Russian friend of mine looks much more like Vitalik Buterin.

    https://cointelegraph.com/storage/uploads/view/7fd6c8e52a252b69bf34306bd25949c0.jpg

    Replies: @Aedib

    , @Vishnugupta
    @melanf

    You don't find Russian women to be significantly better looking than women in other countries?

    I have spent only about a week in Russia but Russian women appeared to be significantly above the West European average in the looks department.

    More importantly the percentage of exceptionally good looking women(the sort people tend to remember) typically around 1-2% in most West European countries seemed to be much higher closer to 5%.

  • Within countries, anti-vaxxer sentiment tends to fall with rising IQ (e.g. white males with no degree see no difference in risk between contracting COVID-19 and getting vaxxed, barely higher than the numbers for Blacks and Hispanics, while Whites with a degree give the factually correct answer). However, between countries, there seems to be no such...
  • @Vishnugupta
    Broadly there are two types of anti vax sentiments

    1.People conceptually opposed to vaccines because they think covid is just another flu/its all a conspiracy/it will render you infertile(#1 reason in Muslim countries)

    2.People who think due process of vaccine development was compromised and want to wait a few months to see how these vaccines effect people in real life before deciding whether to get vaccinated and which vaccine among the options available to take.

    The second type of anti vax sentiment is IMHO legitimate and cannot be equated with low IQ quite the converse.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Morton's toes, @melanf, @Bardon Kaldian, @mike99588

    There is another option: I am young and healthy, and only the old and sick die from covid. So let them be vaccinated (or die), I will not be vaccinated because I don’t care about old people

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
    @melanf

    This is no longer the case at least in India due to new mutant variants of this virus.

    A lot of otherwise healthy people in their 20s / 30s have died or required oxygen or ICU treatment in the past month due to these variants.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @The Alarmist

  • In the picture, Italy is painted in the same way as Russia. But San Marino (having purchased the Russian vaccine) within a few weeks vaccinated the majority of the population. In Russia, people have the opportunity to be vaccinated without problems (with the same vaccine), but only 11-12% of people were vaccinated. That is, the map does not reflect the real situation.

  •   ~ Fake News. Final unraveling of the Russian Bounties "story." As I said from the beginning, if you believe that the Taliban need Russian rubles to kill Americans, you're either a neocon or a moron. Glenn Greenwald on this topic. ~ Scott Alexander - Prospectus On Próspera. Think of the flies. (Or, why I'm...
  • @reiner Tor
    @melanf

    An additional benefit of this type of vaccines is that it might greatly reduce the burden on the pension system.

    Replies: @melanf

    An additional benefit of this type of vaccines is that it might greatly reduce the burden on the pension system.

    From this point of view, the pension fund should pay anti-vaccinators

  • Know-how of the city of Khabarovsk: elderly people receive a package of chicken eggs for vaccination against coronavirus

    • LOL: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @melanf

    An additional benefit of this type of vaccines is that it might greatly reduce the burden on the pension system.

    Replies: @melanf

    , @SafeNow
    @melanf

    Jason Riley wrote his op-ed column in the Wall Street Journal a few months ago regarding payment to the vaccine-reluctant. He cited an economist who placed the necessary figure at $1,000 per person. One wag replied: A vaccine so safe that you have to pay people $1,000 to get it, to protect them against a disease so deadly that you need a test to know if you have it.

    Replies: @Beckow

  • Population is power, so it pays to keep track of it (along with national IQ and GDPcc), for those with an interest in geopolitics and futurism. I used to spend way too much time poring over statistics almanacs and the CIA World Factbook during my school years, so I have a pretty good fix on...
  • @Pumblechook
    @melanf

    Ok will clarify one last time - I’m not disagreeing with you. My point refers to armchair statisticians who would look at Russian demographics on Wikipedia and see “tatars - 5% of population” and think this is some kind of asiatic entirely non-European group...without the knowledge that in reality, many tatars can and do blend into modern Russian so that a tourist may not even know whom they have met in Kazan or Moscow...like the people in your photo

    Replies: @melanf

    look at Russian demographics on Wikipedia and see “tatars – 5% of population” and think this is some kind of asiatic entirely non-European group…

    Well, this is true, but “non-European” peoples represent other ethnic groups (not Tatars). There are places where “Asian” (according to the American classification) ethnic groups make up the majority.

    But it will be more of a distant analogue of the American Indians in the United States and Canada, not Hispanic

    • Agree: EldnahYm
  • @Pumblechook
    @melanf

    In labour market dynamics and social standing yes agreed, but that wasn’t my point - rather I’m saying that both in the US and Russia there are large groups numbering in the millions (Tatars, Hispanics but also I guess groups like Lebanese Christians or Georgians) which on paper give the ‘mental impression’ of a non-European element which is in rigid contrast to the majority European population.

    However, this is not always so clear-cut and there is overlapping and leakage across these groups - for instance, there are of course many millions of Hispanics who are either totally Spanish/Italian in origin or Tatars who look and act almost entirely Russian and intermarry with children being absorbed into Russian ethnic.

    Replies: @128, @melanf, @EldnahYm

    (Tatars, Hispanics but also I guess groups like Lebanese Christians or Georgians) which on paper give the ‘mental impression’ of a non-European element which is in rigid contrast to the majority European population.

    Here is a group photo of Kazan Tatars

    They cannot be called a “non-European element”. The same applies to education, culture, etc.

    • Replies: @Pumblechook
    @melanf

    Ok will clarify one last time - I’m not disagreeing with you. My point refers to armchair statisticians who would look at Russian demographics on Wikipedia and see “tatars - 5% of population” and think this is some kind of asiatic entirely non-European group...without the knowledge that in reality, many tatars can and do blend into modern Russian so that a tourist may not even know whom they have met in Kazan or Moscow...like the people in your photo

    Replies: @melanf

  • @Blade
    @AltanBakshi

    Over long-term history, Turks defeated Russians far more often than Russians defeated Turks. You all want to focus post-1750, how about before that? Russia was being handled by the vassals of Turks, not even Ottomans themselves. How many times did Crimeans sack Moscow? Maybe post a few comics about those too.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @melanf, @Vishnugupta

    Over long-term history, Turks defeated Russians far more often than Russians defeated Turks.

    This is nonsense. The first clash with Turkey in the 16th century (the campaign of the Turks on Astrakhan) ended with the annihilation of the sultan’s army. The second major clash (the war of the Turks with the Don Cossacks for Azov) was also extremely unsuccessful for the Turks. Then there was the war for Chigirin (actually a draw), the War for Azov (lost by Turkey), the Prut campaign of Peter the Great (Turkish victory), and the war of 1732-35 (heavy defeat of Turkey). As you can see your statement is incorrect

    Russia was being handled by the vassals of Turks, not even Ottomans themselves. How many times did Crimeans sack Moscow?

    Not once (in 1571, the Tatars were able to cause a fire in wooden Moscow, but Moscow was not captured)

    Barbary pirates can serve as an analogue of the Crimean Tatars. Can we say that the Ottomans were stronger in the 18th century than England, as barbarian pirates plundered English ships?

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @melanf

    I wholeheartedly agree with the most of your post, except this:


    Barbary pirates can serve as an analogue of the Crimean Tatars. Can we say that the Ottomans were stronger in the 18th century than England, as barbarian pirates plundered English ships?
     
    England wasn't such a superpower in the 18th century, like it was in the 19th, and Ottomans were militarily still quite equal with the European powers.
  • @Pumblechook
    @Almost Missouri

    Yes, I’d peg France at around 10 million Afro-Arabs (from Malagasy to Moroccans to Caribbeans), maybe even a little less.

    But that’s still an enormous quantity - and indeed, higher birth rates mean this group (including second generation) probably accounts for 175k-200k of the annual 725k births. Everything isn’t so black and white though, to pardon the pun - there is a large and growing mixed population in France, I know people in the following categories and all of them pass as European and are people you would want to help build a country in terms of behaviour and intelligence:

    - Breton/Kabyle
    - Berber/southern french
    - Malagasy/Italian

    Agree with the previous commenter that both Russia and the US aren’t as bad as they seem on paper due to groups like ‘Hispanics’ and ‘Tatars’ being more nuanced than most people realise

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @melanf, @128

    Russia and the US aren’t as bad as they seem on paper due to groups like ‘Hispanics’ and ‘Tatars’

    The equivalent of “Hispanics” is not Tatars, but migrants from Central Asia

    • Replies: @Pumblechook
    @melanf

    In labour market dynamics and social standing yes agreed, but that wasn’t my point - rather I’m saying that both in the US and Russia there are large groups numbering in the millions (Tatars, Hispanics but also I guess groups like Lebanese Christians or Georgians) which on paper give the ‘mental impression’ of a non-European element which is in rigid contrast to the majority European population.

    However, this is not always so clear-cut and there is overlapping and leakage across these groups - for instance, there are of course many millions of Hispanics who are either totally Spanish/Italian in origin or Tatars who look and act almost entirely Russian and intermarry with children being absorbed into Russian ethnic.

    Replies: @128, @melanf, @EldnahYm

    , @AP
    @melanf

    There aren’t many Moldovans in Russia, but they would be a closer analogue than Central Asians because they speak another Indo-European language and are not of a different faith.

  • It strikes me that most of life's most exquisite comforts can be had with ~$10M or so. Apartment in the center of a world class city (luxury condo if in the Second World). Holiday home. Nice vacations and gourmet restaurants. Model-tier gf. The virgin financial docs sleuthing to suggest Bad Orange Man isn't a billionaire...
  • @Rahan
    @Abelard Lindsey


    The downside to all of this is the cold winters. I’d rather pass on that. Also, for whatever reason I can’t articulate, I’m not attracted to Russian or other Eastern European women.
     
    Well, on the map, that tiny slice colored orange in the south-west, over there you get normal winters.
    That's exactly where the two cities in my post are.
    https://sublimemaps.micro.blog/uploads/2019/1417844738.jpg
    In the region colored yellow you get the harsh North European winters, and beyond that you start entering different shades of permafrost.

    As to Eastern European women--perhaps that's a sense of self-preservation. The reason Slavic men drink themselves to death is Slavic women. It takes a Donald Trump to keep one of those from sucking the life out of him.

    But again, the more you go from Muscovy into any direction, the more different genes start creeping in. First Finno-Ugric peoples and Bashkirs and Tatars around the Volga, then the slant-eyed genetics start for real.

    Whereas down south, bordering the orange region of normal climate, are the various Caucasus mountain federal republics. So they beef up the orange region population with Turkic blood. And they're not all insane. You've got places like the Karachay-Cherkess Republic or the Kabardino-Balkar Republic, which are normal.
    https://infogalactic.com/w/images/thumb/1/11/North_Caucasian_Federal_District_%28numbered%29.svg/600px-North_Caucasian_Federal_District_%28numbered%29.svg.png

    For science, this is what Turkic Russians look like. You mix this with Slavic genes you get...the Balkans and South Russia in parts of the orange belt.

    https://sun9-65.userapi.com/c840428/v840428216/8674e/uRVvzMaAGqc.jpg

    https://riadagestan.ru/upload/iblock/1f6/1f60733201a5dadac84a18d086aa3db0.jpg

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/aliozdoev/61021482/263709/263709_1000.jpg

    Replies: @melanf, @melanf

    in addition, in Kabardino-Balkaria (where the photos come from), the main population group is Circassians, whose language has nothing in common with Turkic