Agreed. And I haven't seen much analysis here of just how bad that Supreme Court decision was on Friday.

If there was some kind of vast conspiracy, someone would have talked by now. All the “evidence” offered by Trump and by conspiracy theorists here and elsewhere has not really panned out or was just blowing smoke to begin with.
 

The problem with this is that, despite all the hand waving, no one has any substantial proof that this actually happened on a large scale.
 

Would one agree to play tennis with these Democrats? No? Why not?

Because they hit the ball out while insisting that it was in and then, when you object, start cutting holes in the net.

I did not even especially want Donald Trump to win reëlection (though I did vote for him), but this election has been unfair on multiple levels. The whole four years of resistance against Trump has been unfair—not just to him but to the millions of us that felt in 2016 that we had no one else to whom to turn. Trump is vulgar, undisciplined, incontinent and fat; but the Russia hoax, the Ukraine impeachment and the COVID election swindle have all been undeserved.

It's not right. Why should I be happy about it? Democracy requires opponents that are moderately sportsmanlike and are willing to play by the rules.

Replies: @Corvinus

Those people you cite are wrong, if these are actually their ideas.

The huge numbers of absentee votes have thrown conservatives for a loop, because they’ve made the vote counting process much less intuitive than it was in previous elections.
 

And why, exactly, was it necessary for the Pennsylvania Secretary of State - in defiance of PA state law - to order counties to cure ballots, accept late ballots, accept unverified ballots, and commit various other infractions of that state's laws? Why did Democrats in Wayne County feel obliged to threaten officials who demanded an audit?

The problem with this is that, despite all the hand waving, no one has any substantial proof that this actually happened on a large scale.
 

It just took them a long time to finish.
 

If there was some kind of vast conspiracy, someone would have talked by now.
 

Moreover, it doesn't take a "vast conspiracy" to harvest or fraudulently submit enough ballots to make a dent in a race. It takes what happened in, say, Pennsylvania: state officials tacitly legalizing ballots that are IMPOSSIBLE TO VERIFY. That allows for very local people in Democrat counties to submit fraudulent ballots without having to talk to anyone else.

It's been three weeks. How long did it take us to find out what happened with 9/11, or with the Kennedy assassination? A lot longer than three weeks. Gee, I wonder if that's why courts and Biden are trying to run out the clock?

You also have no ability to answer the statistical impossibilities.

Replies: @Corvinus, @A123, @iffen

. If there was some kind of vast conspiracy, someone would have talked by now.

Lol, why? Why would people who have committed multiple state and Federal felonies blab about it long before the statute of limitations has run out?

Oh, and what's "vast" mean in this context? There are multiple conspiracies from the 20th century that involved fewer than 100 people, are they "vast"? There are others that involved thousands, are they "vast"? What's the numeric threshold for "vast"?

Is your commentary vast? Or only half vast?

lol.

Replies: @Corvinus

"Those people you cite are wrong, if these are actually their ideas."

Actually, their thoughts are on the mark.

"Let me ask you: if there is no problem with signature matching, then why have county and state officials in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Nevada refused to let signatures be matched?"

It depends if it has been codified into law. Basically, there are different philosophies about examining signatures.

Source --> https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/key-battleground-states-dont-require-signature-matching-mail-voting

In Wisconsin, "You don’t need to worry about if your signature is going to match and making your signature perfect," Magney explained. "That’s not what we do in Wisconsin, when you request an absentee ballot, you provide a copy of your photo ID and that’s our security involved in it."

In North Carolina, the executive director of the North Carolina State Board of Elections, wrote in a memo to all local county boards that a voter's signature "shall not be compared with the voter's signature on file because this is not required by North Carolina law. County boards shall accept the voter's signature on the container-return envelope if it appears to be made by the voter, meaning the signature on the envelope appears to be the name of the voter and not some other person. Absent clear evidence to the contrary, the county board shall presume that the voter's signature is that of the voter, even if the signature is illegible."
 

What about Georgia? Well, under state law, the identification or signature of voters is checked twice during the absentee voting process, and an accepted ballot can’t be traced back to a signed envelope once the two are separated. The process protects ballot secrecy.

In Nevada, "signature verification is performed on every ballot received. If the signature is missing or if the signature on the ballot return envelope does not match the signature on file for the voter, the ballot will not be counted until the voter verifies their signature." But the state has procedures in place to rectify the problem, apparently allowing the voter to come down and handle the situation themselves.

A point to NOTICE--A political scientist at Carroll College found that 97 percent of rejected signatures are likely to be authentic—or, for every invalid ballot, 32 valid ones are thrown out.

https://lawyerscommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Ohio.pdf

"And why, exactly, was it necessary for the Pennsylvania Secretary of State – in defiance of PA state law – to order counties to cure ballots, accept late ballots, accept unverified ballots, and commit various other infractions of that state’s laws?"

An accusation that has yet to be proven in a court of law.

"Why did Democrats in Wayne County feel obliged to threaten officials who demanded an audit?"

Not Democrats, but radicals who are Democrats. There is a difference.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/24/attorney-general-investigating-threats-wayne-county-canvassers/6405964002/

I am certain you have the same level of disgust with similar threats made in Georgia, right, by Trump radicals towards two lifelong GOP officials there?

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/politics/elections/gabriel-sterling-threats-georgia-election-official/85-42ad50cb-f123-4b35-938e-9b513cecefb1

Regarding the hereistheevidence site, here is one source found there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyrCLH8YtzI&feature=emb_title

It is a news report about a woman who was concerned about “ballot envelopes visibly identify the voter’s party affiliation”. Except it is a code to make sure the people get their ballots for the proper primary according to Florida State Law. There was no proof here that the ballots themselves were compromised or discarded by election officials. In other words, it is “suggested” that “possibly” there was some sort of malfeasance. So, while a concern about this labeling is legitimate, it does NOT constitute evidence in a court of law of voter suppression, tampering, or removal.

Here is another source found there.

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2020-11/JessyJacobAffidavit.pdf

It is an affidavit. The person says “I directly observed, on a daily basis, City of Detroit election workers and employees coaching and trying to coach voters to vote for Joe Biden and the Democrat party. I witnessed these workers and employees encouraging voters to do a straight Democrat ballot. I witnessed these election workers and employees going over to the voting booths with voters in order to watch them vote and coach them for whom to vote.”

This individual has made an accusation. That is NOT evidence. Had this person supplied audio or video recordings, then that would be proof. So, this person would be subject to cross examination in a court of law to determine her credibility.

"They did not work continuously. They stopped the count, for hours at a time, or days in the case of Nevada."

Right, it just took them a long time to finish.

But that's OK, because your side is going to win. Next week is HUGE. After all, Sidney Powell--who wasn't let fired by the Trump team, but is just "doing her grrl pwr thang" on her own--told radio host Glenn Beck she heard that our forces confiscated the server of an electronic voting system company in Germany with alleged ties to the president’s voter fraud accusations. “The servers at Scytl in Germany were confiscated the other day,” Powell told Beck during a 15-minute conversation related to voter fraud claims made by President Trump. “I’m hearing it was our forces that got those servers, so I think the government is now working on an investigation of what really happened.” And, of course, Trump won in a landslide by earning 410 electoral college votes, and even winning California and Minnesota!

Wait, what?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dominion-servers-germany-seized/

This rumor referenced a claim that computer servers belonging to the Dominion Voting Systems and/or Scytl Secure Electronic Voting companies had supposedly been seized by the U.S. Army in Frankfurt, Germany, and the served data showed that Trump had actually won a landslide victory in the Nov. 3 election. The rumor was one no reliable news outlet gave any credence to, but nonetheless, the far-right, pro-Donald Trump OANN cable channel devoted some airtime to it, as narrated by U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas…Indeed, the claim echoed by Gohmert was a completely fabricated one. In response to that rumor, Scytl noted that they had no servers or offices in Frankfurt, nor had anything of theirs been seized from them by the U.S. military.
 

JB,

Corvinus (a.k.a. Alexander Turok) is a known TROLL.

There is a consistent cyclical pattern to his deranged & irrational behaviour. He:

-1- Demands Evidence
-2- Ignores Presented Facts
-3- Refuses to Provide Evidence

I have added both of his ID's to my Blocked Commenters list. Life is much more pleasant with his evidence-free ranting reduced to a soothing grey bar.

PEACE 😇

let signatures be matched?

Maybe because the idea that signatures can be "matched" is nonsense. Handwriting analysis is nonsense.

Replies: @anon

By the way, the Wall Street Journal claimed that bellwether accuracy inexplicably fell apart this year because of "polarization."

This is one of the worst and most amateurish explanations, perhaps in all of human history.

1) Why were bellwethers of sterling accuracy in 2016? You mean to say that 2016 wasn't equally, or nearly as, polarized as 2020? Absurd.
2) Why were bellwethers accurate in 1860? 1860 was so polarized (far more than 2020, no matter what anyone says) that Lincoln wasn't even on the ballot in more than a fourth of the US!!

No, the only two times bellwether states or counties have been thrown off have been 1960 and 2020. In 1960 (the last time Florida and Ohio were both "wrong"), you had two mobbed up candidates, and bellwethers reflected that by falling to around 50% accurate. In 2020, you had a candidate (Trump) who was pretty strong despite being fairly inept and a candidate (Biden) who was just straight up cheating like Hell. And that's why bellwether accuracy was implausibly bad for the first time ever.

Hat Tips --> Anon[314], Jack D., Ali Choudhury

(There own words and ideas, which are relevant here and make critical points)

The huge numbers of absentee votes have thrown conservatives for a loop, because they’ve made the vote counting process much less intuitive than it was in previous elections. The procedures for counting the absentee votes vary substantially between states, between counties in the same state, and even between municipalities in the same county. So the timing and granularity of vote count reports was different from one place to the next, generating suspicion and confusion.

The confusion was exacerbated because it just took way longer to count the vastly larger numbers of these ballots. Laws that absentee ballots could not be counted before election day suddenly were much more relevant and resulted in delayed reporting. Some of these “late night vote dumps” were in fact reports of votes counted by large numbers of people working continuously from the moment they were legally allowed to start counting. It just took them a long time to finish.

The real story may turn out to be that mass absentee balloting is just inherently better for the Democrats. It will be hard to put that genie back into the bottle. [And] Trump knew that the mail in votes favored Democrats so even before the election he started sowing [doubt] about them, knowing that in the swing states he would “win” on election night and then lose later on once the absentee ballots were counted.

The problem with this is that, despite all the hand waving, no one has any substantial proof that this actually happened on a large scale. If there was some kind of vast conspiracy, someone would have talked by now. All the “evidence” offered by Trump and by conspiracy theorists here and elsewhere has not really panned out or was just blowing smoke to begin with. It is desirable to yell the election was stolen since it keeps the angry base more inclined to give donations.

Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @anon

Since 1980, out of the thousands of counties in the US, 19 counties have gotten the Electoral College right in every election.

You're an idiot. Even a cursory glance at American history can disprove you. WE HAVEN'T HAD CHRISTIAN LEADERSHIP.

That is, even if one assumes that Christian leadership would fail, you're still an idiot, because America simply hasn't had such leadership around to fail or succeed.

Replies: @Anonymous

All those presidents who attended Church are not Christians?

True, many were Freemasons, or at least associated with Masons, but are they not Christians?

Instead of calling me an idiot, add some weight to your assertion that we've never had Christian leadership. The facts beg to differ.

Replies: @noname27

You apparently haven't even looked at a map of the election results. Biden did better than Hillary in practically every area with a high concentration of college-educated Whites (Oklahoma City, Fargo, Omaha, Columbus, the Atlanta suburbs, Jacksonville, Indianapolis, Des Moines, Louisville, Huntsville, Nashville, the Dallas suburbs, the Houston suburbs, Benton County, etc.) He did consistently poorly in ghettos. His margins to win Wisconsin came from Madison and from the Milwaukee suburbs, not Milwaukee City. His margins to win Michigan came from Oakland, Kent, Washtenaw, and Ingham counties; he did worse than Hillary in Detroit City. His margins to win Pennsylvania came from a variety of counties in Eastern Pennsylvania; he did worse than Hillary in Philadelphia. Biden consistently did better in metropolitan areas where they were dominated by college Whites; he did worse where they were dominated by LATINOS and Asians.

Here's a preliminary map of the election swings from the U.S. Election Atlas, more pink==more pro-Biden. New York, IL, etc. hasn't finished counting. I see a nationwide swing against Trump. I don't see fraud.:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmQWeXMW4AIpRT4.png

Replies: @Gizmo880

C'mon man. Look how well Biden campaigned talking passionately to a bunch of parked cars.

Biden like Hillary in 2016 wasn't even the most popular amongst the democrats. The democratic primaries were the test run for the main thing. I can't believe how easily they pulled off that one even considering they are the "woke" crowd.

Biden severely under-performed Clinton’s results in every major urban area except Milwaukee, Detroit, Philly, and Atlanta.
 

Replies: @Dreadilk, @E. Harding

Looks like he is doing OK in Phoenix, AZ and Las Vegas, NV too. He seems to have done well enough in Texas to scare some folks. That oil talk sank him. Fix that and skip Socialism bad word and Florida may be good to go in 2024. Without Trump around, Republicans may become a Rump party.

I see that asserted in these tweets.

https://twitter.com/erictrump/status/1324500040904310785

Does anyone have hard data showing it?

Whitmer really is the wicked witch of the (mid)west, whom she very much resembles.

The bigger problem is that our media is completely controlled by the enemies of the American people.
 

The comments are pathetic. Pathetic! Do you really think a Trump victory is irrelevant? If it was irrelevant, then the elites would not be pulling out all the stops to try and stop him!
 

Replies: @Authenticjazzman

a wall is more important than what Trump has actually done, namely cutting immigration in half in 4 years

That is a good point, and also illustrates why the Wall was always an expensive and unnecessary project. There are far cheaper and more efficient ways to stop immigration. As a symbol the Wall made political sense, but unfortunately a lot of Trump voters are the sort of people who take that kind of concept literally and now Trump has to live with that.

Trump has delivered a fair amount, I would take him over the useless 'conservatives' we get here.

Thanks. Did not know Woody Hayes. - First-rate subject for a US-ethnologist.

A suggestion:

Make leaflets with pictures...
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Foahtz9xnw8

RBG was a phenom created by Jewish PR/media dominance.
"Every bit the Jew."

Question Gilad should ask is, How much did it cost the American taxpayers & health care system to keep RBG alive while she worked out her ego issues.

Replies: @Sparrow, @Peripatetic Itch, @Socrates

What's "pathetically boring" is the Holocaust. For how many more generations will we have to hear about it constantly?

Replies: @Fran Taubman, @Johnny Rico

'But lets look a moment Gilad at the outpouring of grief nationally for Ruth Bader Ginsberg. Not a wimmper of Jew hatred from the right or left. Ginsberg was a giant of a human being and Jurist. Every bit the Jew. You got a poll for that?'

? I don't think I was even specifically aware of her existence until a year ago. For a giantess, that's not too impressive.

As to grief at her death -- well, it hasn't been all that intense in my case, to be frank. In fact, I don't think I've seen anyone crying, now that I think about it.

Replies: @GazaPlanet, @karel, @Fran Taubman, @Skeptikal

More unseemly Jewish triumphalism from the powerless persecuted minority that will destroy you if you say otherwise.

We just had 3 Jews out of 9 justices in a country with a 3% Jewish population. 1/3 of our Supreme Court. 60% of the deciding majority on every contentious social and economic issue your Tribe uses to divide and conquer us.

And oh boy are they Jewish, as Fran reminds us. Ginsberg's enthusiasm for unlimited goyish abortion was unbounded and her enthusiasm for wrecking goyish families and subjecting us to crime and predation had no equal.

Fran, you are an asset for those of us working to wake up the goyim. Keep being yourself. Let the flag of Zion Ascendant fly and the lioness of Judah roar.

More of us are Noticing every day.

Aaah yess, women weeping cause another of theirs offered a casuist reasoning for killing their own children, yaaay!

Suuuuure, no contradiction here: a male can't spunk even one of their 200m sperm without censure, but a woman can destroy an actual life, without question?

Tiring, debating trees, is.

Ruth Bader Ginsberg is a loser - a queen of abortion. What a piss poor legacy! What fool wants to be a known as a champion of abortion.

Her Jew ego got the best of her - she could have had Obama replace her. How stupid.

Not everybody is grieving here, trust me. I don't grieve for anyone who spends their life fighting for the "right" to murder babies in the womb. Not sure what country you're from, but many Americans are still Christians and trust me, we know where the "notorious RBG" is- burning in hell. Sorry not sorry

Replies: @Trinity, @Tlotsi

If so boring, how and why does Mr. Fran always get out such a quick reply to Atzmon's essays? Ha.

Napoleon did once query the Jews to sort out a few concerns.

https://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/363_Transp/Sanhedrin.html

Alas, as evidenced over the past two centuries, the deeds have not matched the word, especially on the matter of loyalty. So a range of new surveys are needed. For government employees and people controlling or working high positions in the mainstream media, there should be an America First v. Israel First Loyalty Survey. It could ask questions like:

- Are you comfortable how the Israel Lobby demands -- and gets -- the fealty of the US Congress?
- What is more important, shielding Israel from criticism or protecting the 1st Amendment?
- Should the American people be given full disclosure about the attack on the USS Liberty?
- On a scale of 1 to 10, rank both Russia and Israel's power to influence American politics.
- If corporate executives of the mainstream media conglomerates committed wire fraud, espionage, and collusion with neocon think tanks in manipulating American public opinion to support the 2003 war on Iraq, should the costs of this war be levied against them and their silent sponsors?
- Are you a Jewish American or an American Jew?
etc.

Other surveys could uncover latent sentiments in Americans regarding the real Israel. By asking about their knowledge of the founding of Israel, Dimona and JFK, Mossad and 9/11, Mossad and sex trafficking, Israel and organ trafficking, Israel's shoot to cripple policy, ADL spying and mass censorship, etc. Americans will start to feel different about all this sausage they have been fed.

https://ifamericansknew.org/

Replies: @Art

There was no outpouring of grief. Har Dee Har Har!
All that Notorious crap came from SNL. That horrible lesbian Kate McKinnon created the hip hop "Ginsburn" character.
Ironic because, as Sailer has pointed out,Ruth was allergic to blacks and would have nothing to do with them.
No doubt you can sympathize!!

When I heard the Christ-hating abortionist died, from five thousand miles away I thought “good riddance”.

First, the same people pouring out their grief about her death because they will lose their “reproductive rights” care not at all that Iranian women lost those same rights when the current regime came to power in 1979. That same regime also fired all female judges. How would RBG have fared in such a country? One would think that Iran would be hated by every feminist and that they would have had a big protest march against Obama for siding with that regime against Iranians protesting against it, but no, we heard nothing from those interested in “reproductive rights.”

Second, ever since the 1960s, poor whites in America have been battered endlessly by our elites. They were already marginalized simply by being poor, but after that dreadful decade, things got much worse. Yet, our elites do not even think of poor whites as marginalized. They think of them as enjoying “white privilege.” What did RBG do to help poor whites? Nothing.

Third, it’s Ginsburg, not Ginsberg. Sheesh.

Arby-G was a baby-killing hater of men. She destroyed several all-male colleges while supporting all-female ones. She said the male ones were "state"-funded...so fair game.

Yet she did not attack the all-female Douglass College at "Rutgers, the STATE University."

Like most feminists, she was a pampered hypocrite to the end.

Note, too, how many leading anti-male, anti-Christian, anti-family, anti-conservative, anti-white feminist big-wigs are Jews:

Bella Abzug
Gloria Allred
Susan Brownmiller
Judy Chicago
Andrea Dworkin
Eve Ensler
Susan Estrich
Susan Faludi
Betty Friedan
Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Erica Jong
Katha Pollitt
Sheryl Sandberg
Gloria Steinem
Ruth Westheimer
Naomi Wolf

Replies: @Fran Taubman

The betting markets are about even, but the majority of bets and individual bettors are going for Trump.
 

Excellent points all.

I wish I had voted for Perot in 1992. He had a real chance to win. But I was young and ideologically libertarian at the time....

Hi John Burns,

I address the Vietnam War most thoroughly in my novel, Love Like Hate (New York: Seven Stories Press, 2010).

I just got to Vladimirovo, North Macedonia after an exhausting trip, so must run...

Linh

Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

All right wingers who support abortion (and the lockdowns) are immensely short-sighted morons. Taking away the ability of dumb females and unscrupulous males to avoid the consequences of whoring will do drastically more to benefit society than a marginal fall in the number of blacks.

Race realism dissolves as soon as the subject of abortion comes up.

Alright I'll stop using the term. I find it funny though that you refer to Bismarck as a liberal. As a Catholic you should know that whatever the Proddies and pagans think, Europe itself is a creation of the Catholic Church. Therefore she would of necessity look on the whole of Europe as a mother would her children. The Prussians from Frederick onwards thought too much of themselves. Uncle Joe Stalin showed them their place. I don't mean to be callous, but the Red Army eviscerated German militarism for good. As he said : If the Germans want a war of annihilation they will have it.

The situation was deeply complicated for Galen and Pius XII as they had to navigate adroitly between two monsters.

I am a Roman Catholic. I also have two large problems with your post.
 

Replies: @ivan

> "The first is your use of “Shitler” – what, are you 10 years old?"

This brilliant case demonstrates an iron curtain between cultures. Commenter ivan says he's Indian, but this applies to Russians as well. I hope, this is not too distracting.

My observation has been such that in the English language, you have two registers of style - a casual, and an academic. The academic style uses a needless amount of Latinisms and archaic, precise or poetic words. Whereas the casual style is everything else - from these fairly intellectual discussions, to day-to-day speech, roughly speaking.

In Russia, it is not so. I would separate their styles differently - into a casual manner which is far uglier and baser, and into normal speech which is even used in Academia. Thus, their scientific style is far lower, and their casual speech is far lower, too. This way, when you speak in "normal Russian", you will be taken as posh. You have to use copious amounts of swearing in speech, and disregard punctuation in writing.

This way, when talking to Russians, it is mandatory to use "childish"-in-your-view words such as "Shitler" - Putler < Putin, Rashka < Russia, Luka < Lukashenko, Poroh < Poroshenko. 4chan is brimming with intelligence compared to the savagery of this ugly synthetic nigger language. And most non-English languages seem to be nigger languages.

Despite my current illness (seasonal sinus headaches - it really sucks), I wanted to mention two factors as to why I believe there was a historical Jesus.

First, Tacitus’s Annals mention a Christus, who was executed by Pilate during the reign of Tiberius, and who gave his name to the Christians.

Tacitus openly despised Christianity and thus had no reason to defend the existence of the historical Jesus.

Tacitus had been Proconsul of Asia, where he surely would have encountered – and judged – many Christians and would have seen evidence about the historicity of Jesus.

Moreover, Tacitus is often regarded as the most accurate of Roman historians.

Second, as for Josephus, he mentions Jesus twice, once in incidental reference to James, the “brother” (more likely a cousin or half-brother) of Jesus. The way in which Josephus refers to this Jesus makes it clear that he has no doubts about the existence of Jesus. He is effectively making a reference to the then-universal knowledge of this man's existence.

I should also add that the vast majority of non-Christian scholars - including atheists - agree that there was a real life Jesus.

Thanks John Burns. I read Father Meier's Wiki page and all the reviews on the ThriftBooks.com page. I can't say it convinced me to look further b/c he's basically saying that a good representation of a person can be a substitute for an actual person in time and space. I don't want to believe, I want to know.

That's a good cope to make you feel better about your inability or unwillingness to participate in the great but incredibly difficult sport of kings, wrestling.

Bug off, Bugman.

Replies: @Twinkie

I just finished reading David Graeber's Bullshit Jobs.

Around 60% of the economy is what you would call parasitism, and it is concentrated mostly in the middle classes and upper classes. Lower class work benefits society generally. The cases he analyzes are eye opening, and frankly, amazed me. I found it interesting that most corporate lawyers he interviewed and the majority of IT workers thought they had bullshit jobs that contributed nothing useful.

He also discusses the debilitating psychological and spiritual effects of doing a bullshit job - of knowing one contributes nothing. Widespread depression, anxiety, exhaustion, and illness.

Apparently, the Automation Revolution that people feared in the 30s of last last century has actually come to pass. We are living through it. We actually have mass unemployment. The workweek can be reduced to about 10 hours without loss of productivity.

But instead of people being allowed to do what they want, we invented bullshit jobs for them. There are several reasons for this. The ruling classes are afraid that the masses will get up to no good if they have a lot of free time. The 60s scared them. And our culture has a belief that working hard at something you dislike builds character and dignity, so we invent jobs for them even if there is nothing to do.

Finally, powerful rich men feel important if they are surrounded by a large retinue, like in medieval times, so many jobs are actually being a medieval retainer (Dean, Vice Dean, Assistant Dean, etc).

In an agricultural or hunting-gathering society, every one needed to pull their weight, and one could meaningfully speak of parasites who ate but did not work. Although these societies typically worked far less hours than ours.

In the modern world, the invention of machines has made the term parasite lose its meaning. Machines have made it possible to provide every single person in the entire world with a comfortable middle class existence, while anyone who wishes to become wealthy has the opportunity to work more and do so.

But the current system breeds resentment and hatred towards two types of people. People who do little or no work, because they do not buy into the belief that hard work at something you dislike is necessary for the dignity of man (even if said work contributes nothing to society or is actually harmful). The feeling here is that life is not supposed to be happy, and anyone who is happy is and not primarily engaged in doing things he dislikes is a bad person who is unworthy of our sympathy. This comes from Northern Europe and Protestantism, but has gradually spread across the world.

And secondly, people who do actually useful work - like teachers, garbage collectors, cleaners, nurses - are resented because they have the satisfaction of knowing they are doing useful work. There is the feeling that if you actually get to not do a bullshit job - if you actually derive satisfaction from your job because you are making a genuine contribution to society - you should not expect to be paid a middle class salary as well.

Attitudes have not yet caught up with the modern situation. We still resent anyone who doesn't work hard at something they dislike, even when this contributes nothing or is even harmful, even though machines have completely changed the situation.

Replies: @Cloudbuster, @JackOH, @Cloudbuster, @Twinkie, @Audacious Epigone

To dissemble on the question, and give a bunch of empty-headed nonsense about tone, is the mark of a sophist.
 

Replies: @iffen

I think it's more corrosive to be completely unable to deal with objective facts.

So, yes, you are worse than an idiot. Much worse, actually.

If we actually recognized that some people live as parasites, we'd be more able to help them mend their ways and become better people.

Jesus Christ tells his followers to be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves; they are to love the sinner by correcting him and working to destroy sin. You, however, are far less wise than a jackass, let alone a serpent. One of the reasons Christ's followers often fail to be wise is because people like you want society to delude itself and pretend that there are no bad people to be corrected.

Replies: @iffen

I am quite certain that I have a better handle on “objective facts” than anything you and some other commenters here can manage. You and some others also can’t seem to grasp the idea that espousing corrosive, dead end political ideas and ideology, which you claim spring from your “objective facts,” is extremely detrimental to the body politic.

Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

Spoken like a true Pennsylvania man, just like me! I know, it's difficult to come around to freestyle when you have been steeped in the Pa. tradition of folkstyle wrestling. Pennsylvania has the best folkstyle wrestling in the world, and when you're a part of it from the little guys through junior and high school wrestling, and understand what "the Big Dance" at Hershey means, and then Cael and his ongoing dynasty at PSU, it's difficult to transition to freestyle. I know, and my nephew was a PIAA AAA State medalist. I did make the transition, though, and I appreciate freestyle wrestling as an even purer form than folkstyle.

I'm sure glad that the Magicman was also able to transition, as was Zain, Nolf, and Bo. The Nittany Lion Wrestling Club has a big stable of potential international medalists, including Kyle Snyder, once an enemy of the PSU program.

Perhaps, but there are worse things than being an idiot.

As a frame of mind or political viewpoint, thinking of many of your fellow citizens as parasites is corrosive. It is not a way forward, except into a dark alley that has a dead end.

Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

The British used opium, the U.S. uses gay sex.
 

Replies: @Tor597

land of “freedom” as young people define it: partying, drugs, sex.
 

Also nobody looks at Western Europe for more sex or girlfriends (and in terms of drugs, it is just cannabis which you would idealize from some Western countries), but for a lower political corruption, better job opportunities, higher salaries, and better urban planning, infrastructure and health services.

Surrounded by students in Western Europe, my culture shock has been that they seem surprisingly quiet and boring for people of this age. Students seem like they are mostly studying in the evenings, and even in warm weather streets can be very quiet already at 9-10pm. Women of that age also dress less sexually. Western youth are mostly "pacified" and not very wild - the only noisy protests are related to climate change.

One of the problems with the current youth generation in West (and quite soon in Russia), is that they are more insulated from real life than any people in world history, so that they now need "safe spaces" even at the elite university, so no-one offends. Youth in the West live in hyper-luxury conditions by international standards; and what is quite unique in history, that they can dress in pink and rainbows, argue about being misgendered, and no-one beats them up.

the side that offers people the chance to engage in hedonism always wins. The British used opium, the U.S. uses gay sex.

 

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The problem for youth with Russia (Belarus/Ukraine, etc) compared to the West (North West Europe) is what happens after university. Until the end of university, it's not much worse at all to live in Russia (Belarus/Ukraine) aside from some potential conscription issues - especially for Ukrainians -, and better in some ways.

So the empire is defeated by Panjabi music..

Dhol first

Nagara (war drum) last..

Nobody in history has managed to figure out a way to counter this.
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPKsDE4FfTg

I had a Ukrainian describe Euromaidan to me in this fashion (paraphrasing): “the West was offering nightclubs and dancing. Russia offered supply lines and trucks.” No young person ever got hot and bothered over supply lines.
 

Replies: @Philip Owen

The West is the land of “freedom” as young people define it: partying, drugs, sex.
 

Is Laura Loomer cool?

Replies: @Supply and Demand

Everyone’s schoolmarm told them that if they don’t have anything nice to say, they shouldn’t say anything at all, and Steve’s really taken that to heart with regards to POTUS.
 

They have never given him any explicit support, as far as I can tell, whereas a joker like me has gone as far as to copy and paste Trump's campaign website with my handle as if it were my own site and I had something to do with it. (I did that for a while here in 2016, while the "smart guys" pooh-pooh-ed Trump. I was willing to look stupid, whereas they were not.

Look, I know, and any semi-conscious being knows, that The Donald is a joke, but he is OUR JOKE. You know the line: "They're bastards, but they're OUR bastards." What other choice do we have at this point?

Regarding this being "her election to lose," as you say, I'm not so sure. My wife keeps telling me Trump will win and the polls and news are all deceptive or stupid or inaccurate for any number of reasons, and she is very smart and sensible, and she called the last one in which Trump won and the polls showed him behind.

Most normal people don't even answer polls. Marketing surveys these days (sorry Steve) are the domain of the lumpenproletariat, and few others participate in them. We don't answer the phone, and we don't need or care whatever you are offering in exchange for our participation.

So, "at the end of the day" [yuck] "bottom line" [yuck] we will see what happens...

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Thanks for your opinion, worst commenter on Unz.com.

>I don’t think anyone else but Trump could have won the general in 2016, because the rest had voluntarily smeared themselves in W’s putridness.

My point exactly. The Democrats were so immersed in their "New America" narrative that they didn't leave anybody minding the store in states like Pennsylvania or Michigan-and as a political party, they'd been hollowed out on a state and local level outside the big cities. Trump was the only one do what common sense dictated, precisely because he lacked an ideological attachment to the post-1994 orthodoxy which produced Bush II.

Unfortunately, he didn't have an attachment really to anything except himself, as should have been obvious from his personal history... but the *chance* was enough for voters to breath in the fresh air disrupting a political scene that had become Brezhnevite in many ways. And yes: hell, if Clinton were elected, we might have ended up getting to a point difficult to come back from with a nuclear armed power.

Trump literally saved America from the complete disaster of Hillary narrowly beating Jeb in 2016, one in which Scalia is replaced by a 5th leftist vote and 11 million illegals get an amnesty, the vote, and a wave of chain migration that puts 1986 to shame.
 

Replies: @AnotherDad, @Ben tillman, @anon, @ATBOTL

Trump’s first moment of greatness was attacking W. Nobody should forget that even in 2015, that was extremely taboo in the GOP establishment.
 

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Oh, good, you're here.

Replies: @Corvinus

I take it that your response is an admittance that you cannot muster up a coherent rebuttal to the source I provided.

The Apaches could demonstrate their greatness and magninimity by allowing S&B to keep Geronimo's skull in exchange for 41's.

Perhaps more importantly, we must ask, when will he urge his social friends to release Geronimo's skull to the Apache?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29265600/ns/us_news-life/t/geronimos-kin-sue-skull-bones

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"An irony about this epidemic in the US is that in spite of the polarized partisan rancor..."

That's rich.

"And also of course, we probably could have gotten about the same result..."

Probably not.

"all of the mainstream first-world northern hemisphere countries had approximately the same experience"

Not particularly.

"thereby allowing them more wholesome ways to occupy the last several months"

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article244685352.html

County and state leaders are beginning to crack down on gatherings at restaurants, as officials express frustration that many young people aren’t complying with social distancing recommendations and mask requirements — especially when alcohol is involved.
 

Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Mr. Anon, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @Old Prude, @fredtard

The prevention of the spread among young healthy people this summer will likely be the largest contributing factor to any surge in the fall.

It’s also looking like countries that haven’t politicized and use the “trump pills” are having lower mortality rates. The continued politicization off that treatment, even by our very own Dr. Fraudci, will likely be the largest contributing factor to any excess death in a second wave. Of course, this assumption rests on no Dem governors pulling a Cuomo and intentionally or negligently killing of their elderly.

It is clear from the correlation of obesity and diabetes with severity and the non-correlation of other lung diseases like COPD and asthma, that this is a disease that is basically affecting those with poor metabolic status (always, of course, there are exceptions). I suspect this is part of the reason Sweden has done well in the death department--better underlying metabolic health.

As I started saying a few months ago, we ought to be focused on how to prevent the disease from becoming severe rather than trying to stop it from spreading.

Sure, there are possible treatments, like dexamethosone, maybe budesonide, and there are things you can add, like Vitamin D and zinc, but as N.N.Taleb points out, anti-fragility is achieved better by taking things away--in this case, your Twinkies and Big Gulp.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SBakerMD/status/1291002450808365057

Dr. Shawn Baker is correct. We are now 6 months into COVID. Six months is long enough to make serious changes in your metabolic status. Plus, the fact that people are stuck at home and poor makes this a great time for people to try extended fasting regimines.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mangan150/status/1288103894153695232

In general, we should be doing this...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mangan150/status/1287369827284217856

In Japan, they keep telling people to avoid "the three Cs"--Closed spaces, Crowded spaces, and Close contact. All well and good, but avoiding the "the three Ss" is just as important--Sugar, Seed oils, and Sedentariness.

If everyone in the USA had been avoiding the three Ss for the last 6 months, I'd wager we would have a different picture of health, a lower death rate, and better preparation for the next pandemic virus.

Replies: @Anon, @Redman

How can there be herd immunity when antibodies for this coronavirus (and others) only last a few months?

Replies: @dfordoom, @BB753, @Almost Missouri

"But still, at a minimum we can say that there does seem to be more of it around than before."

Case counts are up because facediaper use is up. People load up their diapers with bacteria and virums and touch their faces much more than normal whilst bediapered. As Americans diaper up, case counts soar xponentially.

Bottom line: face diapers increase disease and must be banned with hefty fines and imprisonment.

Replies: @jon, @dfordoom

all of the mainstream first-world northern hemisphere countries had approximately the same experience, irrespective of lockdown policy: excess deaths peaked by April, emergency over by June
 

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FYI, Poland has as big a chance to become a great power or a bulwark of anything as Burkina Faso. Hence your “LOLs”.

Replies: @MichaelIIRex

Powerful take.

Start smaller and you'll get fewer "LOL"s. Say: a new Warsaw Pact without Germany or Russia, stopping short of the Balkans. It can include Slovakia. Maybe not Hungary, Czechia &c.

Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Svevlad

Extremely bvsed and powerful post that deserves it's own thread.

Electing 2 homosexual( 1 definite, 1 probable) Presidents in the last 10 years is not exactly "white christian" you dummy.

Poland has gone from being Catholic Albania ....... to Warsaw a bit of Krakow and the rest of it Albania. So just a little bit of improvement,based on criminal exploitation of Ukrainians and parasite money from the EU....and the usual Polish delusions of grandeur occur, and you guys start acting as if it's Monaco, LOL!

LOL.

This is God tier bait unironically thank you for posting

Replies: @LatW

@42 John Burns: "However, anyone know where to find statistical data to disprove this (on the surface) obvious nonsense with powerful authority? I’m especially interested in finding honest analyses of black crime over the centuries, before the government started specifically collecting and categorizing it (roughly the late 1950s)."

It's all - and I mean all - at Those Who Can See

The Irish have a famous and serious intellectual tradition which was important in the Middle Ages and which resulted in upper class English families sometimes retaining Irish tutors (Cpn Sir Richard F. Burton's famous facility with language started with an Irish tutor plus time spent in the Mediterranean).
Is there an African counterexample to that?

I mean not really the Irish are the blacks of Europe- long on resentment and surliness low on achievement. The one thing they had going for them -a deeply religious society- they threw overboard in about five minutes once they didn’t need it to justify killing English people.

Similar heritage of surface level charm and motor mouthery leavened with violence against women. Both are good at silly types of frenetic dancing. The list really doesn’t end.

Do you really not recognize the central argument of Thomas sowell’s black rednecks and white liberals? Since you are apparently an aggrieved Hibernian you’ll be glad to know that your idiot friend is confused. It’s the scots Irish not 14 act play Irish that sowell claims blacks were better than.

Thanks for being so prompt with making my point.

Posing in masks may be "virgin" and "low energy", but that doesn't make signaling against them "Chad" or "high-energy", I am sorry to say.

https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1286924478405136384

Replies: @Anon729

You were hurt by "The real issue are the African French or Pakistani Brits who think that now they are ‘French’ or ‘British’, but nobody in Eastern Europe sees them that way." - Nobody in Eastern Europe will consider you Swedish but you may have a luck opening kebab or curry place in Bratislava.

Well, you are wrong. Both Prague and Bratislava regions are among the top 10 in GDP/capita production in EU and growing very fast. Life is substantially better, safer, more European in every way than in the actual sh..tholes popping up all over Western Europe (you couldn't pay me to ride the London or Stockholm metros).

Thousands of Western Europeans (the real ones) have already quietly moved here. Our fear is that the Third Worlders that you morons so stupidly allowed to move to your countries can't be far behind. That will bring trouble, our hoi polloi populus can be quite tribal outside of the big cities. This is heading for an ugly confrontation that we all could have avoided if you in UK, France, Germany, Sweden, etc, had kept rational common sense. But you didn't, and it is quite late in the day for you. I am not sure about us.

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