RSSHonestly I think that after this warm summer, Russia will have a very cold winter. I don’t think anything is too unusual. Well I hope not.
Actually Africa did have some success stories. Mali was one of the best they had. They managed to create a very wealthy empire thanks to the gold mines they had. Obviously the conversion to Islam at the time helped with education rates in that empire but for native Africa, it did very well at the time. Then you had Ethiopia which was for quite a time a very powerful localised empire in the region.
Black Africa was also starting to experiment with developing towns with stone wall defences so they were starting to settle down in larger numbers. I think that had they had been left to their own devices, eventually they would have evolved to the feudal agricultural level and then started to industrialise. It would have been alot slower then Europe due to the lack of necessity but it slowly was starting to take shape.
The problem is, they were too slow and obviously Europe helped create huge messes which is why Africa is in so much poverty to this day. We tried to industrialise them too fast and turned them into basically a cash crop for us. This in turn has led to the population there ballooning, it’s still poor and now they are coming to Europe en masse. In a sense, sins of the fathers….
It was the same in Europe 500 years ago too. My point is blacks had no reason to advance because they pretty much had their basic needs secured. Food, shelter, heat, etc. If you have those in abundance pretty early, why advance anymore? There is simply no reason too.
Not a problem, you posted a very interesting question and it has been a topic that has been on my mind as well recently. Anyway, when it comes to Russia, I wouldn’t say it is a Democracy anymore then the U.S or UK. The thing is – Democracy never works anyway. It’s a lie and always has been. The only difference is who actually runs the democracy.
Now in Russia, the system is pretty much entirely run by Putin. As Russians have told me before, Putin is a strong king and Russians throughout their history have always needed a strong leader to successfully run the country. Putin is in effect no more different then say Rurik, Vladimir the Great, Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, even Stalin and Brezhnev. But getting back to Putin and his power, essentially every decision made goes through Putin. His government relies on him to make decisions, whether good or bad. As one Russian told me, “Putin knows how to be King.”
So it’s not really a true democracy in that power is shared and all parties get a credible voice. They don’t. There is alot of corruption of course. But the key thing is real power stays in the hands of the national interest.
Now in the West, the democracy is run primarily by corporations and their lackeys. They pretty much make the decisions and this is passed down to all of those politicians who make money from generous donations who stick with whatever the corporation’s want and make decisions based on that. Can you see the difference? Real power is being made on an international capitalist scale rather then on the national stage, which is the big difference with Putin and Russia.
However you right about the proportional representation system. The various parties in Russia can be elected to the Duma in stark contrast to the Anglo countries. So that is at least something Russia has right.
Yeah it is a nonsense story. America had a law that stated you could not marry outside of your race (obviously was repealed with the Loving case) and apartheid South Africa went a step further even, forbidding not only marriage but even having sex outside of your racial group. If you were caught even having a random non-white hook up, you went to prison.
Now comparing this to the Soviet Union, there were no such laws in place. Obviously as one poster pointed out they had issues with marriage to foreigners which was mainly for ideological reasons. However for all intents and purposes, there was no law or even punishment for actually marrying or sleeping outside of your racial group. So compared to America or apartheid South Africa, the Soviet Union was actually pretty liberal in that regard.
You know it’s funny but when I talk to Russians today and ask them how people living in the country view race mixing, it’s actually still viewed as something most people would prefer not to do as a majority. I’m not just talking about the whites but actually the various Asian groups living throughout the country. Native Siberians prefer to marry their own group, same with Tartars, same even with Uzbekis and Tajiks (unless they desperately want citizenship to which they try to marry a white girl but usually it’s rare). So despite living together for hundreds in years on the steppe, the vast majority have not actually mixed together into one homogenous mass but instead have stayed rather tribal which is interesting to view from not only a nationalistic but also demographic perspective as well.
I think this whole “let’s mix the world into one big coffee coloured race” is a uniquely American phenomenon. Out of all the people I have met, I’d say the Anglos are the biggest race mixers out there, especially amongst the men. But if you look back in Anglo history, it’s always been a phenomenon. During the British Empire, it was quite common for soldiers and officers to have sex with natives in the newly found colonies, even marrying the higher up caste such as in British India. So I think therefore if any group is going to mix itself into something else, it’ll be the Anglos.
No it didn't. Virginia had a law that stated you could not marry outside of your race. As did about 15 other states at the time of the Loving v. Virginia case.
"America had a law that stated you could not marry outside of your race"
No offense, but this post is dumb. It's quite common for invading soldiers to bang women wherever they go, it's not an Anglo phenomenon. Whole societies(Latin American specifically, though also some Polynesian societies) were formed this way. In the case of Anglo settlers societies, they were formed more by folk migrations and had less mixing.
I think this whole “let’s mix the world into one big coffee coloured race” is a uniquely American phenomenon. Out of all the people I have met, I’d say the Anglos are the biggest race mixers out there, especially amongst the men. But if you look back in Anglo history, it’s always been a phenomenon. During the British Empire, it was quite common for soldiers and officers to have sex with natives in the newly found colonies, even marrying the higher up caste such as in British India. So I think therefore if any group is going to mix itself into something else, it’ll be the Anglos.
I have no idea what this guy was moaning about at the time. From my own knowledge, race mixing in the Soviet Union was not actually a crime per say. There was no actual laws against it and I do know Russians did (and still do) intermarry say with Tartars. It’s just that Russia has always been socially conservative, even the surrounding countries and groups within Russia, that race mixing itself is more rare as people voluntarily prefer not to do it en mass. So no idea where he got the idea the Soviet Union forbid him to actually do it…
His issue was that he couldn't marry foreign (Indian) citizens due to their potential political unreliability.
So no idea where he got the idea the Soviet Union forbid him to actually do it…
I’d argue in essence we are in the second generation. The first who started to really create this mess was the baby boomers. Gen X never really seemed too bothered and even downright critical at times. It’s the Millennials who are the true second generation and they are going full blown young pioneers. As a majority, they unfortunately cannot be persuaded. They are too collectivistic in their outlook. I would not be surprised if the establishment told them to do kamikaze strikes in the name of “diversity”, they would even hesitate.
The Zoomers are interesting however. I wouldn’t call them nationalists but they are becoming more sceptical or even critical of the system. This usually happens in the third generation, as it was in the USSR. The system usually collapses when the third generation stops believing in it.
I wouldn't put any faith at all in the Zoomers. Indoctrination works and they're the most heavily indoctrinated generation in history.
The Zoomers are interesting however. I wouldn’t call them nationalists but they are becoming more sceptical or even critical of the system.
This is the easiest question to answer on why blacks did not advance compared to the other races and it is very simple. They had no reason too. You see, Africa is a very comfortable continent to live in with no major pressures (until relatively recently that is). Black people had everything they ever needed. Enough animals to provide food and clothes. A good temperature so they did not have to worry about building strong foundations to keep warm in. Large spaces of land where disease did not roam as freely and wars, whilst still available, happened at lesser frequency compared to elsewhere. From a Human evolutionary point of view, the black man was living in a garden of Eden. He just did not need to advance.
Now compare this to the Europeans. The Humans who settled Europe had to deal with it being the smallest continent in the world so essentially tribes were more cramped together meaning more war. Disease can spread more easily. The continent gets cold, very cold, so they need to develop tools to make more warmer accommodation and clothes. You have more famines due to the weather. Oh great, the guy next door wants to your stuff and is coming close so you best get more weapons and quickly to fight him off. Wait, I can make a better weapon to defend myself with, this will keep him away. But now I need money to maintain my weapons and defences. Here comes trade and economic development.
So basically what we have here is the tale of two peoples. One had everything he needed and did not develop. The other was struggling very hard and had to develop and advance in order to survive. As is history.
The big problem now is the man who did not develop now wants the other guys stuff but does not know how to properly maintain it due to he needs to go through his own evolution to attain it. The other guy is letting him have his stuff because he has reached an existential crisis where he his claiming he has no right to exist. That is basically the huge problem.
There is a huge question mark when it comes to Russia. Right now under Putin, it is following a more patriotic high water mark but it remains to be seen after Putin what direction the country is going to take on next. A big problem is that you do have a generation of Russian youth who still idolise “Democracy” and “Liberalism” and want Russia to follow the same path, naively thinking that if they do so, they will get to have the quality of life Westerners had during the late 20th century.
On the other hand, you do have more of the youth put off by the current situation and realise that the West is going down the wrong path and Russia should find another way. However on all sides there is alot of criticism now about Putin. So whether that is concerning criticism of Putin’s ideas or just the corruption I’m not too sure. But I do fear Russia could, unless something major comes along, join the Western rot if it is not too careful.
However, considering how quickly the West is deteriorating, I think this might be enough to put Russia off the West for good. But even I am resigned to the fact that Russia is at this moment in time Europe’s last great hope. If she goes, the party is over for good.
Yes, Denmark is the real deal, the closest thing to real "patriotic ethnostate" in the making, and the whole thing is staying completely under the radar of Western government, media and NGO.
Out of all of the Scandinavian countries, I always tend to find Denmark is the more conservative when it comes to immigration. I’ve spoken to Danes in the past and compared to the Swedes, most of them had a negative opinion on immigration, particularly from the Islamic world. What is more surprising is that this attitude stretches back into the early 2000s, well before the Alt Right and Identitarism started to become more mainstream.
Yes, Denmark has done a good job in heavily regulating immigration. I think the population is still 90 percent ethnic Danish. They also keep getting more tough on immigrants due to the influence of the Danish People’s Party continually having a role in government. So all in all, I think Denmark has a chance to survive.
As for Eastern Europe, I think their leaders are really stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, they do want to reject immigration and keep their countries a native as they possibly can. On the other, due to the mass emigration of their youth to the West, they are stuck with huge labour shortages and need migrants.
It all depends on how they handle this. The Russian method of immigration actually works as it is a revolving door policy. The Central Asians go to Russia for work, they earn money and go back home as wealthier people. That immigration could work for the Visegrad group.
If they decide to go for a fully legalised multi-kulti society in the long run, then as you know we are looking at the Visegrad states going down the Western European path. If that is the case, they are about 30 years behind.
They will argue “well they are doing the jobs we won’t do and it is all legalized” but the West also accepted legalised migrants to do the dirty jobs to begin with too. Many of these once working communities soon devolved into slum areas 3 generations on. As we see with the North Africans in France, the Pakistani communities in the UK, etc, etc.
Let’s hope Visegrad continues to learn the lessons from the West and restricts the immigration to the bare essential and follows more the Russian method.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/how-denmarks-ghetto-list-is-ripping-apart-migrant-communities
Denmark has compiled this “ghetto list” annually since 2010; the criteria are higher than average jobless and crime rates, lower than average educational attainment and, controversially, more than half of the population being first or second-generation migrants. The government essentially sees these neighbourhoods as irremediable urban disasters, and in May 2018 it proposed dealing with them by mass eviction and reconstruction. The homes of up to 11,000 social housing tenants could be on the chopping block.
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In addition, the law itself applies differently in these neighbourhoods. The first stage of the government’s so-called ghetto deal set higher penalties for crimes, and allowed for collective punishment – by eviction – of entire families if one of their members commits a criminal act.
Other laws seem designed to force the integration in Danish society of immigrant communities. Pre-school children must spend at least 25 hours a week in state kindergartens with a maximum migrant intake of 30%, and face language tests. Otherwise their families’ benefits can be revoked.
But the most stringent part of the plan came into force on 1 January 2020, when these areas must slash their public housing stock to no more than 40%. To achieve this within 10 years, entire blocks will be emptied and converted into private and co-operative housing, from which people on low incomes will be barred. In some cities (though not Copenhagen) the blocks will simply be demolished.
Current tenants will be offered alternative accommodation, but no control over its location, quality or cost. Those who refuse can now simply be evicted. Adding insult to injury, the eviction and renovation plans will be paid for from proceeds from a fund paid into by public housing tenants themselves.
Out of all of the Scandinavian countries, I always tend to find Denmark is the more conservative when it comes to immigration. I’ve spoken to Danes in the past and compared to the Swedes, most of them had a negative opinion on immigration, particularly from the Islamic world. What is more surprising is that this attitude stretches back into the early 2000s, well before the Alt Right and Identitarism started to become more mainstream.
Overall, I think Denmark has the potential to survive. I think that they are heavily limiting the immigration there already. I think that if they can successfully get their native birth rates to replacement level (which is feasible as they do have high birth rates there) and with a strict integration focus, they could essentially survive as a white majority society with a small non-white minority that eventually ‘whitens up’ so to speak.
Also some interesting news. Due to the recent BLM riots, I’ve noticed on twitter alot of your average and mainstream Brits actually showing what I’d call white Identitarian signs. It’s something you’d only find say on white nationalist sites 10 years ago but these days, more seem to be sympathising with white identity politics. I think the statue pulling and the heavy crime associated with it really has started to shock the mainstream.
Now obviously it’s not going to lead into full blown WNism but you never know, it might lead to more pro-white identity politics down the line…
Yes, Denmark is the real deal, the closest thing to real "patriotic ethnostate" in the making, and the whole thing is staying completely under the radar of Western government, media and NGO.
Out of all of the Scandinavian countries, I always tend to find Denmark is the more conservative when it comes to immigration. I’ve spoken to Danes in the past and compared to the Swedes, most of them had a negative opinion on immigration, particularly from the Islamic world. What is more surprising is that this attitude stretches back into the early 2000s, well before the Alt Right and Identitarism started to become more mainstream.
Not entirely. Belarus produces alot of domestic goods ranging from clothes to tractors. All of these goods are pretty much sold in the Russian economy rather then elsewhere in Europe. Not sure how much Belarus makes out of it all but as Russians have told me, “We buy Belarusian goods, we keep their economy alive.”
I thought Ukraine and Belarus were some of the most developed parts of the USSR? From what I have read, Ukraine suffered the most by leaving the USSR and never was able to truly develop without the aid of Russia. Belarus though is different thanks to “Father” although even then, I’ve been told alot of Belarusian success came from selling their products to the Russian market. In other words, Russia has been keeping the Belarusian economy alive…
My money is still on India. I watched a combat simulation once of what would happen in a sparring match between the two and India pretty much came out on top due to the favourable usage of their terrain. China would try to advance but would end up losing valuable equipment. In other words, a major land war between the two would be a huge logistical defeat for China.
It did actually. The remaining Romans eventually evolved into the Italian people and pretty much assumed much command and dominance within the Catholic Church, forming much important decision making over the various successor Germanic kingdoms. They also pretty much started the Renaissance that went ahead in reshaping European culture for centuries to come. I’d actually say in many aspects the Romans really did make a come back. Not to the same extent as the Roman Empire but they did and had a huge influence. Even to this day Italy is pretty much a hot bed of culture that has given birth to pizza, unique forms of art, culture, etc. Many things still came from Italy that lives on with us to this day.
OMG, I don't even.
...a hot bed of culture that has given birth to pizza.
It’s not just the women who have more feminine features but also the men. I tend to notice a more masculine look amongst Western men and women but when it comes to the east, both genders tend to have more feminine features in their faces. This also is an interesting post because I am aware that in Russia, the women are naturally the strongest gender with the men being the weakest. There is mindset there of continually having to look after the men like they are little boys and pushing them in the right direction. It’s not traditional patriarchy but something else entirely.
Yeah I agree with this statement too. Most white people in Europe usually marry white. I did notice a trend in the UK where actual mixing was taking place between individuals that were half white and between whites. The trend was usually between mixed race girls and white boys. So that in itself means within the next generation, the children from these relationships will start to appear more white and assimilate even more into the dominant mainstream.
Yeah to be honey you have a good point here. If we actually read the history of the fall of the Roman Empire, actual Italy itself wasn’t heavily colonised by the invading Germanic hordes. Instead they mostly left and went back to their native homelands once there was no more loot to plunder. I think in regards to modern mass migration, the same effect is likely to take place. It’s all about the money at the end of the day.
Won’t happen to Russia down to one simple thing. Money. Nobody in Russia wants to pay out large amounts of welfare to refugees of any colour. You see, the refugees all go to Europe because they know Europe will give them free money. Europe lied to itself as it is the right thing to do because of the past and obviously humanitarian concerns. Russians simply do not care and want the money reserved for them and nobody else. So honestly, I strongly doubt a refugee horde is going to appear at Russia’s doors. If anything, Russia will probably close the doors and focus on taking care of themselves, as the old “Socialism in one country” mindset goes.
Depends on how isolationist and nationalist the Slavs want to be though. Whether we like it or not, we do live in a globalised world. People can travel freely and amongst some Slavs, all they want is the West, patriotism be damned.
That said however, the more stupid the West gets, the more the Slavic states feel threatened and pull up the drawbridge. Amongst the youth, there is a desire to replicate the high quality of life the West has had but the idea of going down the full Globo Homo path disturbs them as well. So maybe that will be a saving grace for Eastern Europe.
You know I have also thought about this and I tend to concur with you that increasing automation makes having children as an essential to the economy not really that important. It even will deter immigration in the future as well since there will be no economic need to import millions of people. Russia is trying to aim for this where as the US is stuck firmly in woke culture so will struggle with millions unemployed in the future. Escape from LA doesn’t look like science fiction anymore.
On the flip side, you could end up seeing more inter ethnic marriages. Fewer people means fewer mates means more outside marriages. The Faroe Islands, despite having high fertility, has had cases of men with no wives so they marry abroad. So for those who do wish to see the group live on, it maybe impossible in the long run without some kind of ethno-patriotism which I think is alien to the European mind. Might get away with it amongst the Russians but the rest of Europe I think really doesn’t care…or would look in horror at such an idea…even if it wasn’t forced…
This is a potential good point about Russia. I did just read a prediction about Russian demography stating that the country could rise to the mythical 2.01 by 2030 – 2040. It is entirely possible with this scenario when a lot of women get into their 30s and want a baby so it could lead to a baby boom by then.
I think though there is a huge factor involved and that is the economy. Russia’s economy right now is not doing so great. The government certainly needs to do more in reviving it so people can afford to have more kids. If the economy doesn’t start to improve within the next decade or so, we could expect another baby glut.
Still, Russia is nowhere near Ukraine which itself is a dying country entirely. I honestly have no idea how this country is going to survive in the long run…
It all depends on what the Russian youth want. If they decide (and I presume many are) to focus on their careers and put off having children until later, focusing on mainly individualistic aspects, then that birth rate is staying where it is. Unless there is in the next few decades a genuine cultural push to stronger family values and raising children, then birth rates won’t go up.
South Korea is a plastic and sterile culture. From K-Pop, to their birth rates, to their computer game obsessions, it is clear what aesthetic they seek to create. I am sure there are also many great and contradictory things about the place, but this impression is overwhelming. Paradoxically, it has led to substantial creativity in certain areas, as they pioneer the most plastic, sterile aesthetic to have ever existed. This creativity has further been helped by the lack of a Great Awokening; so things are hardly all bad over there!Perhaps, the general search for sterility helped them avoid the blessings of Coronachan.Replies: @Hartnell, @The Wild Geese Howard
South Korea TFR at 0.83 – absolute international record low?
As I’ve always said, what will reunify the Korea’s is their birth rates. Both countries heavily dislike diluting the blood line and the Greatest Korea is still near replacement level. I know in 20 years North Korea’s population I think grew by 3 million. It wouldn’t surprise me if the two eventually come to some sort of labour agreement in the next 20 years and this eventually leads to some sort of unification based on that.
You know I had an interesting but scary thought the other day. Maybe the low fertility rate really is the end of nations as we know it? Even the middle East is dropping in fertility and only just replaces itself now. East Asia is screwed, Europe happily mixes itself into non-existence. My overall point is – if birth rates keep dropping, people have less partners of their own race so end up taking partners of others, leading ultimately to a huge rise in individualism and the death of traditional national structures.
Unless Europe and East Asia can develop some sort of Israeli mindset and get breeding, I do think that the mixture of the races in short a small scale of time could very well be a thing of the future…
Umm, Israel is an extremely mixed race country, and the miscegenation is just gaining momentum - the horror!
Unless Europe and East Asia can develop some sort of Israeli mindset and get breeding, I do think that the mixture of the races in short a small scale of time could very well be a thing of the future…
This is interesting but it does sound like the Buddhist version of the Gog and Magog prophecy in the Bible.
Well, considering the doomsday scenario you have presented, I would say that an Iran sort of scenario would emerge after the chaos has died down. The remaining whites (most in such a drastic scenario would flee east) would convert to Islam and would sort of join together with the intelligent Arabs and form a caliphate. If you look at modern day Iran, the elite on the top are usually quite pale where as the masses tend to be brown. I would expect this situation to occur.
However, if I am honest, personally I don’t think it will get to this stage. Why are Muslims and blacks in Europe en masse? Because they want money. Europe is running out of money to pay for those cozy welfare states. I suspect somewhere down the pipeline identitarian parties will take power and basically just cut off the money supply. Most will go home.
Also I suspect that the more migrant groups continue to grow in Europe, we are going to see a clash of civilisations take place between them throughout the continent. It’s very similar to what happened during the Fall of the Roman Empire. The invading Germanics turned quickly on each other and started to fight it out amongst themselves once Rome had fallen. I suspect a very similar situation will take place on European soil.
Did it help Rome?
The invading Germanics turned quickly on each other and started to fight it out amongst themselves once Rome had fallen.
I don’t want to sound like a leftist but this is factually incorrect. The migrants in the UK generally commit crimes like with the Rochdale scenario. But there has been no actual concentrated attempt to wipe out the native English by them. If you want to point the finger of blame, focus on the idiot white people for continually excusing bad behaviour and believing in the multi-kulti nonsense.
To be honest, I don’t think blacks would want to live in Russia either since it gets to -20c in winter around the European part. It’s quite amusing to think but what will inevitably save Russia once again is General Winter.
That’s a pretty common misconception, promoted by globohomo. In fact, if General Winter served in the Red Army, he would have been shot for aiding the enemy. When the Germans advanced on Moscow, it was sufficiently cold to freeze the soil and allow their tanks to move everywhere. When Russian counter-offensive started, it got warmer, so that Soviet tanks could only move on those few roads that existed, as the mud elsewhere obstructed their movement.
It’s quite amusing to think but what will inevitably save Russia once again is General Winter.
Cope, cope, cope.
I don’t think blacks would want to live in Russia either since it gets to -20c in winter around the European part.
No it is true that Russians are more concerned about the Chinese potentially taking over Siberia. Russia, if I do recall, took the Vladivostok region from China in the 19th century. The big question is though would many Chinese even want to move into Siberia? It’s not exactly the old feudal society that it once was with at least 500 million people becoming part of the middle class (a huge achievement I’d like to add). With low birthrates and expectations of a high quality of life, I cannot really see the Chinese scrambling en masse either to move into Siberia.
From what I recall reading, the Russian settlers of Siberia were mainly the descendants of the Cossacks, criminals and engineers/scientists as part of the USSR. It was sort of an Australia really and no one really wanted to go settle there. So who knows what is the fate of Siberia in the long run…
It could potentially go back to the natives but the problem is they are small in number and are very integrated into Russian society. Plus from what I’ve read about them, the native Siberians seem to be rather anti-immigrant just as much as the mainstream Russian population.
The fate of Siberia is certainly one that deserves more discussion by Karlin as it is a very interesting question.
Ludicrous. Humanists have done little to build societies. Nations are forged in blood. Military leaders and generals are some of the most appropriate people to build statues to(afterwards would be various extraordinary individuals, explorers, patrons, etc.). Without them, many of us would not be here. Instead our enemies would have slain us and built monuments to their heroes.
In every epoch there are people to find that have humanist values. Instead of confederate generals, elevate abolitionists.
It is like the Bible says. There is a time for war and a time for peace. The Humanists have made some positive contributions during peace time in the past just as much as the warriors who go out to fight. It all depends on the era. To be honest though, I do get the feeling the millennial generation is meant to fight but due to the advanced technology of today, there is actually no major war for them to fight in hence why they are tearing up cities. They have an anger and nothing to unleash it on.
Maybe, but they obviously like it in Sweden and Minnesota, so there is no reason to think they would rule out Siberia -- not least when the immigrants start trending more middle and working class.Replies: @Hartnell
You get a few blacks who really do love Russia but I am sure that you can count them on one hand. Like Dimitry said, most of them are students who usually go back home. I doubt the refugees who flood into Europe by the boat load would be quite that happy to go and live in Siberia…
Sweden and Minnesota do not get as cold as Mother Russia. Black people can cope at -2c but when it gets to -10c they stay indoors. Siberia gets to -45c on average in winter time. The vast majority of blacks would not want to live in that climate.
Siberia is lucky, then. RIP Europe, Russians are going to miss it.
Siberia gets to -45c on average in winter time. The vast majority of blacks would not want to live in that climate.
Yes, I too can see what your getting at and I did mention earlier some of this mindset would be considered too extreme for the European mind. However, elements of the Israeli example combined with what the Russians are doing could work out very well as a patriotic successor.
Also regarding the Israeli method, it would actually be sort of beneficial to the Russians if they did try to establish some sort of kibbutz culture and frontier patriotism as Russia has one big huge problem. Apart from Moscow and St. Petersburg, the rest of the country is dying. Siberia is rapidly losing young people as they go into the big two looking for work. I’d say that within a generation, Siberia will die. Same with some other Russian cities in the European part as well.
If Russia does want to remedy this, considering the landscape of the territory, it will have to adopt something of an Israeli mindset in order to help these areas grow again. Otherwise in the long term, Russia is probably going to lose more territory.
I would think that many European countries are actually espousing more of a collective spirit and not an individualistic one, and that this is a direct cause of these countries losing any sense of national pride.Replies: @Hartnell
If European societies can stop being so damn individualistic and cherish what makes them unique and special, that would be a step in the right direction for these countries to actually revive themselves.
What I do like about Israeli nationalism is the concept that you are part of this tribe, this family, and you are constantly doing your best to help it and defend it no matter the cost. Perhaps this mindset would simply be too extreme for the European mind to handle but some elements of it would certainly help in reviving Europe.
I agree though that America and Europe have adopted a collectivistic zeal these days. I see no difference between what the Red Guard of China or the Taliban were doing and what is taking place right now. It is like the West’s very own cultural revolution. I think though the roots of this all boils down to how individualistic these societies were and how without meaning they had become. They needed a new religion and lo and behold, they now have one.
It is going to take decades before the present mess is going to start to get cleaned up as even the silent majority of these countries still subscribe to some thoughts of the new faith.
I think that you are painting this as an entirely black thing when it is not. On the contrary, most of the rioters and statue pullers have been indoctrinated white millennials. On most of the pictures I have seen, it is mainly white faces with a few black ones.
Sure, I am extremely anti-racist and don't judge people by nationality. If I wasn't, it would be strange to be a regular writer on this multiracial website - which is owned and named after a brown American Jew whose face looks suitable for the streets of Istanbul or Cairo, or to be following a Middle Eastern looking blogger of Caucasian aristocratic roots. Neither I don't remember meeting anyone in real life (as opposed to internet sites) who could say something like "I am concerned about the future of Russia’s racial makeup." Writing such kind of sentences even in quotes makes me feel a bit unpleasantly Hitlerian. On the other hand, my political views are more "right wing" than most people I talk to, across different countries, and in both personal and professional life. I say one of main mistakes by Putin - his open immigration borders policy, along with his external policy. Similarly, main thing I oppose about politics in Western Europe (open borders immigration, as opposed to selective immigration). Main mistake of Merkel - open borders immigration. Etc. Those views to oppose open borders immigration are not to say, that I support racism - I am a very anti-racist person in reality. More interesting European connection would be to a Chinese person who can play a Mozart sonata, than some Austrian who does not know their culture - i.e. the important thing is the civilization level.
no indication whatsoever that he is concerned about the future of Russia’s racial makeup
My racial makeup is Russian with Jewish roots. I would like to use these Yiddish brackets you gave to my name. But I sadly can't claim to be a real Jew, as Jewish roots are that my grandfather has Jewish roots (whereas to be a Jew in the real sense, has to be matrilineal). By family record I am 87,5% Russian and 12,5% Jewish. However, when a close relative had a DNA test, the results were a quite different proportions to that, and also a large proportion of our genetics are from other (non-Russian) nationalities our family didn't know they were descended from.Replies: @Ano4, @Hartnell, @silviosilver
you aware of what ethnicity (((Dmitry))) is?
I can understand what you are saying and you have some interesting points. My own personal point of view is that a bit of immigration is ok and could be beneficial to society. However, on the other hand, I would not wish to see a mass stream of entirely legal immigration that ends up turning the host societies into modern day tower of Babels either as I quite enjoy the diversity of the planet and would hate to see all countries one day become one big homogeneous blob of sameness.
Also regarding ethnic identity, I do feel it is something that Europeans will have to discover and embrace for themselves at some point if they wish to survive this century. It does not have to be radical or extreme but something similar to what the Jews and the East Asian countries have. If European societies can stop being so damn individualistic and cherish what makes them unique and special, that would be a step in the right direction for these countries to actually revive themselves. Except for the Anglo countries as these lands actually have always desired foreign tastes more and that is a fact of life.
I would think that many European countries are actually espousing more of a collective spirit and not an individualistic one, and that this is a direct cause of these countries losing any sense of national pride.Replies: @Hartnell
If European societies can stop being so damn individualistic and cherish what makes them unique and special, that would be a step in the right direction for these countries to actually revive themselves.
I find that even most "right wing" British people have no time for ethnic nationalism. I don't think most are even particularly opposed to non-white immigration as long as the immigrants share our "values". That basically means anyone but Muslims.
If I am to offer an opinion, I think that the Anglo-Saxon era in Britain is over. Ethnic nationalism is pretty much dead in the UK. I think the country will eventually revive on some kind of Johnsonian patriotic civic nationalist platform but overall the diversity is there to stay. Which is a shame but what’s done is done.
Yeah I am in agreement. The UK has no time for ethnic nationalism. The society as a whole has pretty much accepted the multi-ethnic society and will fight to defend it.
If you actually look at how the UK society is now developing, it really does resemble the old Anglo-Saxon invasion. The native white Brits have become like the ancient Celts, living on the outskirts in their villages and towns where as the cities have become the hot spots of multi-kulti Britain. I always felt that it was like living on a native reservation and as soon as you left the shires, the reality sadly hit you in the face.
To be honest, though there is still some potential light on the horizon for the UK at least. I think people overall are fed up of mass immigration because of the economic impact it is having. It is simply unsustainable for the country. I think at some point the country is going to drift ever more to the right and start to restrict immigrants when there is a sufficient pressure point available (think UK and Brexit). Eventually the government will start having to cut the tap on welfare spending and will adopt probably a more anti-islamic point of view.
With this in mind, we may see sort of a voluntary repatriation, particularly amongst the muslim community. The country in effect could whiten up. I think that the UK is starting to reach its peak of being able to support a large population and more populism will start to become the order of the day there.
If I am to offer an opinion, I think that the Anglo-Saxon era in Britain is over. Ethnic nationalism is pretty much dead in the UK. I think the country will eventually revive on some kind of Johnsonian patriotic civic nationalist platform but overall the diversity is there to stay. Which is a shame but what’s done is done.
I find that even most “right wing” British people have no time for ethnic nationalism. I don’t think most are even particularly opposed to non-white immigration as long as the immigrants share our “values”. That basically means anyone but Muslims.
I’d say we are heading towards an American or Brazilian “melting pot” style nationalism.
Putin wants surely to maintain an interethnic harmony, but he also balances interests of the business, especially construction, which use a lot of foreign labour. If you see melanf above is writing about how few immigrants are attaining Russian citizenship and "how low" such numbers are. But it's directly opposite of modus operandi of foreign labour in Russia - these people avoid paperwork, residence permits, etc, as much as possible. And the authorities also generally ignore them. This is real open borders kind of situation with these immigrants. Tajiks and Uzbeks and Kirgizs, are not some Norwegians and Japanese. They are not people who like to write paperwork. They don't register with authorities, apply for permits, or follow regulation. They often flood into a single apartment, as many as they can. And the authorities are generally complicit with this, and they seem to allow them to come and go, as they like. I think ones which would apply for Russian citizenship, are only a small minority of more integrated ones - e.g. perhaps ones of this nationality who have a Russian wife and want to settle into Russian culture. At the same time, the authorities are watching these communities and intervene in relation to things like drug trafficking and Islamist radicalization. So, the authorities know about them - but they usually only intervene if it's something more serious than lack of paperwork. If Tajikistan and Uzbekistan joined to the Eurasian economic union, it wouldn't make much difference from the present situation.
Putin, he does seem to be more concerned about keeping Russia’s more Slavic character
After Putin - probably something a bit more like you see in "Visegrad Group" countries, in terms of internal political views. There is an overall less redneck and nationalist population than in Ukraine, but not necessarily than in Czech Republic, Poland or Hungary. Although in Russia, it will likely always be more centrist because of a larger country, with more diverse interests that the government has to balance. In terms of foreign policy, I think the default setting is the same compromised balance between friendly and unfriendly with the West. The Primakov positions which Putin has followed are probably systematic now (rather than reflecting any particular preferences of Putin).Replies: @Hartnell, @Thulean Friend
Dimitry but do you have any predictions for Russia? You made some good points about the country probably going more conservative as it ages
When it comes to immigration in Russia, am I right in thinking it is a lot more controlled there then it is in the UK? From what I am aware, most of the Uzbeks and co usually come to make money and then leave, like one big revolving door of cheap labour. There’s no actual free welfare money for them so their not actually inclined to stay in Russia and pop out 7-10 kids from what I am aware.
Even still, it is a problem that I think will be resolved with new technological advances. Within 15-20 years, I think alot of these jobs that demands cheap labour will be automated anyway so there won’t be the demand to keep on importing people to do the work. I think Putin is sort of hinting at this as well. Big problems though for the West as when it hits them, they are going to have a useless supply of once cheap labour now with nothing to do.
Regarding Russia’s future, I think the Visegrad scenario is a very good future for the country. Do you have any thoughts to share regarding population mobility? From what I am aware, most of the Russian youth are leaving Siberia and elsewhere to go and live in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Do you think there is a chance to reverse this trend in the future? I think that could be a big challenge.
Are you aware of what ethnicity (((Dmitry))) is? In all his numerous posts I've read, I've seen no indication whatsoever that he is concerned about the future of Russia's racial makeup.Replies: @Dmitry
Do you think there is a chance to reverse this trend in the future? I think that could be a big challenge.
Black lives matter in the UK had a lot of English supporters, not just the blacks and browns. It was also a kind of anti-American protest, as they were focused against the US Embassy. In Oxford, people protested against Cecil Rhodes (despite that students are not even in Oxford now because of coronavirus). Rhodes was one of 19th century capitalism's more interesting and infamous mix of hero and villain, and definitely should have a sculpture for people to remember him. I wonder if protesters' knowledge of him will be more than the biased Wikipedia article. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH91-mJ0Lmg London is where all of the Indian and Jamaican people live, but it looks like the protest was more half English peoplehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxaVWfAUrx4 -- Although England is a lot more passionate about "extinction rebellion" protests against climate change. Extinction rebellion is the place for tourists to visit, when they want to see an ancient and frightening anglosaxon war dances in the centre of London.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxr2wS6k1koReplies: @Hartnell, @sudden death, @silviosilver, @Amerimutt Golems
their own “native” blacks tearing down monuments of imperial colonial
I wouldn’t entirely rule out all hope for Britain as the silent majority is very furious about what is happening with the vandalisation of statues and the weak police response. I’ve seen a lot of patriotic tweets on twitter, showing people’s rage about what is happening.
However there is one caveat in all of this. the vast majority of these patriots subscribe to the civic nationalist view point. They like to drag out the odd patriotic black and fawn over how great, proud and patriotic multi-kulti Britain is.
If I am to offer an opinion, I think that the Anglo-Saxon era in Britain is over. Ethnic nationalism is pretty much dead in the UK. I think the country will eventually revive on some kind of Johnsonian patriotic civic nationalist platform but overall the diversity is there to stay. Which is a shame but what’s done is done.
I find that even most "right wing" British people have no time for ethnic nationalism. I don't think most are even particularly opposed to non-white immigration as long as the immigrants share our "values". That basically means anyone but Muslims.
If I am to offer an opinion, I think that the Anglo-Saxon era in Britain is over. Ethnic nationalism is pretty much dead in the UK. I think the country will eventually revive on some kind of Johnsonian patriotic civic nationalist platform but overall the diversity is there to stay. Which is a shame but what’s done is done.
Criticism of immigration policy goes to the opposition, only because Putin has been for 20 years of open-borders immigration supporter - so here is something where opposition can score popularity contests against Putin. This is because it is an area where his policy (open borders) does not match public opinion (which wants more selective immigration) - because Putin is balancing more with the wealthy business interests, against the common people. Eurasian economic union - which includes completely open borders across full members -. was his favourite strategic project. (The irony of Eurasian economic union, is that countries like Uzbekistan and Tajikistan refused it, despite offers for them to join). Central Asian workers were essential for the construction industry, and this is why e.g. Patriarch Kirill is arguing that Russia should accept these immigrants even if they are Muslim. (Anyone with such large construction interests). The next president after Putin, should move more to a selective immigration - something more like Malcolm Turnbull would be desirable.
To be honest, the millennial generation of Russia does seem to be critical of immigration.
In what sense do you mean by "liberal"? Also note the long-term trends of the country. Population is rapidly aging one - an aging population trends to conservatism and is good for future political stability. In the first decade of the new millennium, there had rapid embourgeoisement. However, this was mainly a produce of rising oil and commodity prices. The last decade, embourgeoisement of population has stagnated. There are the economic conditions for some bourgeois "liberal hipsters", but not large enough waves of such to make so much impact on politics - Ikea can be affordable, but most of the population is far too poor to adopt the lifestyle that breeds Scandinavian politics. Economic conditions are not wealthy enough for the Western European pattern of converting rednecks to hipsters.- There are a couple uncertain trends though. There is an urbanization of the population continuing, but this is not accompanied by much enrichment. What is the political consequences of the masses of people flooding into megacities, is not clear for RussiaAlso for younger generation, there is also a switch to using the internet, instead of television, for political information.Replies: @melanf, @Hartnell
In your opinion, what is the political outlook for Russian millennials is they are not liberal?
Dimitry,
This is good news to hear. I was concerned by some of the reports I had been hearing of the Russian youth, particularly with the protests against the government. However it is nice to hear there is patriotism within this group and the future isn’t as libtarded as I thought it would be.
Regarding economic prospects and liberalism, I think it ultimately depends on the country. In America, major mixing and prosperity is a no brainer but in countries such as Japan or South Korea, they prefer to still marry fellow natives or at a push, marry someone of their fellow racial group.
Israel though is the best case scenario as they have been able to promote economic prosperity along with still promoting that nationalistic mindset and have still been successful in raising the birth rates.
Russia is going to have to improve its economic performance and I am sure the vast majority of people desire this very strongly. It’s just the case of being able to successfully do it with a patriotic mindset still in focus before the SJW disease starts to set in.
Now in regards to immigration, I’m not entirely sure of the situation in Russia but from my own observations of Putin, he does seem to be more concerned about keeping Russia’s more Slavic character intact compared to Western governments. He’s been making noises in that direction anyway and I don’t think, although this is just my opinion, that he desires the great replacement scenario like Western countries enthusiastically desire.
To give you an example, I remember during the days of Gordon Brown that it was revealed during Tony Blair’s time in office, the government had deliberately promoted and invited millions of third world migrants into the UK in order to, and I quote, ‘rub the rights nose in diversity.’ the government actively wanted to create a new multiracial British citizen. Social engineering to perfection, go figure.
I hope you don’t mind me asking you Dimitry but do you have any predictions for Russia? You made some good points about the country probably going more conservative as it ages but do you think it can successfully revive itself in the long run without mass immigration? And do you think that SJWism can be averted there?
Putin wants surely to maintain an interethnic harmony, but he also balances interests of the business, especially construction, which use a lot of foreign labour. If you see melanf above is writing about how few immigrants are attaining Russian citizenship and "how low" such numbers are. But it's directly opposite of modus operandi of foreign labour in Russia - these people avoid paperwork, residence permits, etc, as much as possible. And the authorities also generally ignore them. This is real open borders kind of situation with these immigrants. Tajiks and Uzbeks and Kirgizs, are not some Norwegians and Japanese. They are not people who like to write paperwork. They don't register with authorities, apply for permits, or follow regulation. They often flood into a single apartment, as many as they can. And the authorities are generally complicit with this, and they seem to allow them to come and go, as they like. I think ones which would apply for Russian citizenship, are only a small minority of more integrated ones - e.g. perhaps ones of this nationality who have a Russian wife and want to settle into Russian culture. At the same time, the authorities are watching these communities and intervene in relation to things like drug trafficking and Islamist radicalization. So, the authorities know about them - but they usually only intervene if it's something more serious than lack of paperwork. If Tajikistan and Uzbekistan joined to the Eurasian economic union, it wouldn't make much difference from the present situation.
Putin, he does seem to be more concerned about keeping Russia’s more Slavic character
After Putin - probably something a bit more like you see in "Visegrad Group" countries, in terms of internal political views. There is an overall less redneck and nationalist population than in Ukraine, but not necessarily than in Czech Republic, Poland or Hungary. Although in Russia, it will likely always be more centrist because of a larger country, with more diverse interests that the government has to balance. In terms of foreign policy, I think the default setting is the same compromised balance between friendly and unfriendly with the West. The Primakov positions which Putin has followed are probably systematic now (rather than reflecting any particular preferences of Putin).Replies: @Hartnell, @Thulean Friend
Dimitry but do you have any predictions for Russia? You made some good points about the country probably going more conservative as it ages
Not so fast:
Also even if they did want to open the doors and flood the country with third world immigration, I doubt millions of black subsaharan Africans are going to want to settle in say Novosibirsk.
Replies: @Dmitry, @Hartnell
I also once met — of all things — a strongly pro-Putin Somali. While a devout Muslim himself, he had only good things to say about Orthodox Christianity; all other Christians would go to hell (and Obama, especially, would go to hell). He also dreamt of moving to Siberia, which I thought very funny, but also strangely beautiful.
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/hajnal-russophilia/#comment-2222632
You get a few blacks who really do love Russia but I am sure that you can count them on one hand. Like Dimitry said, most of them are students who usually go back home. I doubt the refugees who flood into Europe by the boat load would be quite that happy to go and live in Siberia…
Maybe, but they obviously like it in Sweden and Minnesota, so there is no reason to think they would rule out Siberia -- not least when the immigrants start trending more middle and working class.Replies: @Hartnell
You get a few blacks who really do love Russia but I am sure that you can count them on one hand. Like Dimitry said, most of them are students who usually go back home. I doubt the refugees who flood into Europe by the boat load would be quite that happy to go and live in Siberia…
Thanks passerby for giving me some hope for the Russian youth. I must confess it seems to be Russian Zoomers and the kids growing up now who are going to be the most patriotic which is a good thing as Russia desperately needs more patriotism if it is going to continue to succeed.
However there is going to be that continued lingering demand of dealing with corruption and providing a better quality of life for the population that is going to continue to make in roads on a political front.
The thing is about Russia is that I don’t think it could ever go full on libtard due to the nature of the country and how it has historically developed.
Also even if they did want to open the doors and flood the country with third world immigration, I doubt millions of black subsaharan Africans are going to want to settle in say Novosibirsk.
Therefore the only future Russia can realistically achieve is some future form of Putinism followed by more investments into the local economy. They need native babies to live in far off regions, they need more money to do this and they need to keep their tech geniuses from leaving. A future strong soft power cultural industry would really help the country’s economy too.
Just trying to repeat what the West has been doing never seems to work out for Russia in the long run. Like smart Russians have said to me, “we need to do this on our own terms and not on the West’s.”
Not so fast:
Also even if they did want to open the doors and flood the country with third world immigration, I doubt millions of black subsaharan Africans are going to want to settle in say Novosibirsk.
Replies: @Dmitry, @Hartnell
I also once met — of all things — a strongly pro-Putin Somali. While a devout Muslim himself, he had only good things to say about Orthodox Christianity; all other Christians would go to hell (and Obama, especially, would go to hell). He also dreamt of moving to Siberia, which I thought very funny, but also strangely beautiful.
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/hajnal-russophilia/#comment-2222632
Dmitry,
That is somewhat positive to hear. Most of the major responses I was getting from Russian millennials was there desire for change and how they wanted to be like the West. So it is more heartening to know there is the possibility of a populist revival after Putin.
To be honest, the millennial generation of Russia does seem to be critical of immigration. They see the West going down the tubes and do make fun of it. But at the same time they do have this love of democracy and regularly do talk about “freedom”…
In your opinion, what is the political outlook for Russian millennials is they are not liberal?
Criticism of immigration policy goes to the opposition, only because Putin has been for 20 years of open-borders immigration supporter - so here is something where opposition can score popularity contests against Putin. This is because it is an area where his policy (open borders) does not match public opinion (which wants more selective immigration) - because Putin is balancing more with the wealthy business interests, against the common people. Eurasian economic union - which includes completely open borders across full members -. was his favourite strategic project. (The irony of Eurasian economic union, is that countries like Uzbekistan and Tajikistan refused it, despite offers for them to join). Central Asian workers were essential for the construction industry, and this is why e.g. Patriarch Kirill is arguing that Russia should accept these immigrants even if they are Muslim. (Anyone with such large construction interests). The next president after Putin, should move more to a selective immigration - something more like Malcolm Turnbull would be desirable.
To be honest, the millennial generation of Russia does seem to be critical of immigration.
In what sense do you mean by "liberal"? Also note the long-term trends of the country. Population is rapidly aging one - an aging population trends to conservatism and is good for future political stability. In the first decade of the new millennium, there had rapid embourgeoisement. However, this was mainly a produce of rising oil and commodity prices. The last decade, embourgeoisement of population has stagnated. There are the economic conditions for some bourgeois "liberal hipsters", but not large enough waves of such to make so much impact on politics - Ikea can be affordable, but most of the population is far too poor to adopt the lifestyle that breeds Scandinavian politics. Economic conditions are not wealthy enough for the Western European pattern of converting rednecks to hipsters.- There are a couple uncertain trends though. There is an urbanization of the population continuing, but this is not accompanied by much enrichment. What is the political consequences of the masses of people flooding into megacities, is not clear for RussiaAlso for younger generation, there is also a switch to using the internet, instead of television, for political information.Replies: @melanf, @Hartnell
In your opinion, what is the political outlook for Russian millennials is they are not liberal?
No. Russia is reorienting from the West to Eurasia (5 billion people, the biggest and fastest growing economy on the planet). Trade (money) and tourism destinations are being reoriented right now towards non-western countries and there is ongoing import substitution. The West is a declining entity and will continue to be declining under current estimates up to at least 2060, maybe even longer. Thus there will be more eurasian influence in Russia and its businesses, not more western influence.Young rus people are apolitical, but also relatively patriotic. The country actually became more conservative during the last 20 years. For the youth issue there are various plans in place, such as implementing patriotic education (as per the new Constitution), building more Churches as well as expanding the so called Youth Army (scouts/military education for youth).And as long as the West continues to provoke in the near abroad of Russia it just triggers Russia to become more hostile.Replies: @Hartnell
After Putin, is it very likely that Russia is going to transform into a new Western country and embrace all of the things from the West? Or is there still a conservatism there from the youth to still think about Russia and preserve it?
Passerby,
I can see your points and it is working for Russia’s children. I know that patriotic education is quite strong there now in the schools. But what I mean is the Russian millennials. A poll recently came out that most of them would like to emigrate. Some support gay marriage and the main topics on their mind is the economy and corruption.
The smart ones seem to be aware of the West’s problems and want to find a different path for Russia. But your average IQs I think still feel the West is better then Russia and want to basically copy the West.
So it is something I think that could come to haunt Russia 20 years down the line. Although to be fairly honest I think trying to enact a Western style welfare state in Russia would be nigh on impossible, especially at this stage.
Hi Anatoly,
I have a question for you regarding Russia’s youth. On the one hand, they are nothing like the “woke” youth of the West and continue to think political correctness is crazy. On the other hand, I would say that a majority are tired of Putin and Putinism in general. They don’t really seem that concerned about patriotism and Russia’s place in the sun so to say. They seem more concerned about individualistic concerns, primarily with making money and having a good quality of life.
I’d say a good majority of them tend to be Yabloko sympathisers and desire to be like the West. You only ever hear about corruption from them. So my question is this. After Putin, is it very likely that Russia is going to transform into a new Western country and embrace all of the things from the West? Or is there still a conservatism there from the youth to still think about Russia and preserve it?
This is another question I wanted to ask as well but do you think in essence related to my first question that nationalism itself can be preserved in the long run? Or is the entire future likely to be individualistic with people disregarding their lands of birth and climbing into some new kind of tower of Babel?
Many thanks
No. Russia is reorienting from the West to Eurasia (5 billion people, the biggest and fastest growing economy on the planet). Trade (money) and tourism destinations are being reoriented right now towards non-western countries and there is ongoing import substitution. The West is a declining entity and will continue to be declining under current estimates up to at least 2060, maybe even longer. Thus there will be more eurasian influence in Russia and its businesses, not more western influence.Young rus people are apolitical, but also relatively patriotic. The country actually became more conservative during the last 20 years. For the youth issue there are various plans in place, such as implementing patriotic education (as per the new Constitution), building more Churches as well as expanding the so called Youth Army (scouts/military education for youth).And as long as the West continues to provoke in the near abroad of Russia it just triggers Russia to become more hostile.Replies: @Hartnell
After Putin, is it very likely that Russia is going to transform into a new Western country and embrace all of the things from the West? Or is there still a conservatism there from the youth to still think about Russia and preserve it?
good majority of them definitely not Yabloko sympathizers. Yabloko has almost no sympathizers
I’d say a good majority of them tend to be Yabloko sympathisers