Indeed, American culture would certainly be much poorer if you were to subtract the enormous output of such talented composers as Irving Berlin, Aaron Copeland, George Gershwin, Arnold Schoenberg, Stephen Sondheim and many more.

Schoenberg shouldn’t be counted as an American composer. Most of his compositions were made in Europe.

Personally I wish Berlin, Copeland, Gershwin, and Sondheim’s dreck had never been created. Some of the film scores by the likes of Korngold, Waxman, and others was ok.

Nope. Won’t bang, even if you pay me. Do not insist.

Qing China was too sturdy and cohesive to annex, but its armies were never much of a factor in the Europeans’ decisions to have their way with it.

Not true at all. The Taiping Rebellion which cost some 20 million lives pretty much convinced the Western Powers that colonizing China would not be possible, given the ferocity with which the Han Chinese rebels fought the Manchu rulers, aided by the British and French. The Western Powers were satisfied after the Manchus acceded to their demands for trading ports and economic concessions, which spurred anti-Manchu sentiment amongst the Han Chinese. The problem was not the inability of the Han Chinese to wage war but the unwillingness of the Manchu rulers to allow the establishment of a modern army equipped with modern weapons for fear of being deposed by the Han Chinese which is exactly what happened after the Beiyang Army that was formed in 1901, rebelled against the Qing in 1911.

After the founding of the Republic of China, no Western Power ever waged war again against the Chinese Nationalist Army, forcing the British to ally with Japan in order to protect their commercial interests in China.

So while the economic historians might say 18th-mid-19th century India or China weren’t much poorer, if at all, next to contemporary Russia, both places fielded militaries that were some orders of magnitude more dysfunctional than Romanov Russia in its darkest hours. I have to think there is a link somewhere in there to industrial productivity.

Complete nonsense. The Qing Dynasty at its prime was the most militaristic period in Chinese history, having doubled Chinese territory by military conquests. The Spanish, Portuguese and the Dutch feared the Qing Dynasty and avoided any military engagement with China during the colonial period of Southeast Asia.

As for industrial productivity, China is the world’s largest manufacturing hub today, having surpassed the USA ten years ago, with its economy most likely to surpass the USA in less than ten years time, thereby reclaiming its status as the world’s largest economy which it held for 2,000 of the last 2,200 years.

Industrial productivity is correlated to physical infrastructure such as railroads, electricity, seaports, power plants and other economic assets while education, healthcare, welfare and culture is what drives labor productivity, both of which hardly existed during Qing China. After the founding of the Republic of China, Chinese industrial and labor productivity grew rapidly due to the establishment of the Chinese Nationalist educational system as well as a modern industrial Capitalist economic system, interrupted only by the Chinese Civil War and Second Sino-Japanese War.

So basically, most of this boils down to whether the guy calling the strikes wears a blue tie or a red one as far as public support is concerned.

Peace.

The middle class liberals of America seem extremely competent to me.

Based on what? Certainly not their response to the coronavirus epidemic, which was worse than many third world countries.

Middle class liberals of today have almost no skills. It’s partly because of overspecialization is advanced economies, but it’s partly because they’re just parasites in the first place.

We may not need anything new to have plenty of phosphates for a long time to come. A combination of guano, recycled human waste, phosphate mining, and more efficient methods to reduce runoff etc. may be all that’s needed. Human population growth is slowing down in most of the world, and we already produce an abundance of food. For that reason, better management can go a longer way than it would have in the past for nitrogen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_Island_(Namibia)

It’s more rational than worrying about something which has never happened.

Nigel Farage isn’t a nationalist.

Taiwanese graduates are turning to the mainland for jobs. China and Taiwan are re-integrating socially and economically, a trend which will continue.

As Sun Tzu would say, taking your objective without a struggle is supreme generalship.

Japan is the only country that could realistically ally with the Taiwanese to fight off a mainland invasion. These fantasies some people have of a U.S./China war over Taiwan are just that.

For those concerned with the increasingly explicit persecution of unprivileged whites, it’s something to take comfort in. Most people don’t like punching down and most people resent the bullies who tell them they should.

Many people enjoy bullying. Even more so if they feel righteous while doing so. People are tribal and conformist. Anti-white politics and pro-gay stuff is being pushed by people who control the media and the organs of power. Since the majority will do what their betters tell them, the anti-white stuff will continue so long as whites offer no effective resistance. Feeling bad about bullying hasn’t much to do with anything.

Meh. The polls shows nearly 50% in every category agree that the U.S. “has a special responsibility to give military assistance in trouble spots around the world.” There’s nothing to celebrate about that. The partisan differences are small, and can change in five minutes if the next popular candidate mouths different lines. We are a nation of swine.

This all is true, but you really couldn’t walk freely in the forests or mountains before the 19th century, they were everywhere full of beasts and sometimes vagabonds. We can’t even fathom how dangerous places they were. Even in thinly populated modern countries like Sweden, Russia, Finland bear and wolf populations are carefully kept small and in check. Wolfs and Bears are not stupid, their mentality must nowadays be quite different of those wolves and bears of the past, who were against men armed with bows and polearms.

Yes, walking alone in a dense forest was probably not a great idea.

Anyway in my knowledge Medieval Europeans didn’t paint any landscape paintings depicting mountains or forests like Chinese or Japanese did, even during renaissance intricate depictions of nature were just a background art for important people. I don’t know exactly what was the Orthodox attitude towards the nature in the olden times, but I know very well that for Protestants Nature was something given by God to Man, so that Man could rule the nature, tame and control it, so that he could forge order out of chaos.

The Church held landscape paintings in low regard. This is why medieval Europe lacked landscape paintings. The respect for landscape paintings to a large extent is a result of German culture, like with the Danube school, and later Romanticism(which was also British), even Durer did some earlier. It hasn’t much to do with Protestant or Catholic divisions. Most good things in western Europe were created by Germans.

When it comes to aesthetics there is no objective truth.

This claim seems dubious to me. People’s perception of beauty seems to at least be partly objective. For example is the appreciation of symmetry, which is an objective, mathematical principle.

This is so true, for people of the past nature was something dangerous and wild, to be tamed by human hands. Romanticist notion of nature was born later.

Many groups of people also considered mountains holy, believe nature is full of spirits, etc. Maybe this is all consistent with the idea of nature being tamed, but it seems strange to me. Certainly in visual arts one can find an emphasis upon the vastness of mountains long before the Romantic movement. I don’t see much sign of taming in most mountain paintings. I would also add that people can be thrilled by danger.

I can go along with the idea that people who are living an easy life can afford the luxury of admiring scenes etc. But I think dfordoom (as usual) is overgeneralizing.

I can of course appreciate both natural and man made objects, although I am firmly in the camp that the natural world is more beautiful. To me, preferring a painting or a building to a natural landscape is like preferring a painting of a beautiful woman to the real thing. I could come up with intellectual reasons for the idea, like a painting could be made to have less imperfections etc., but I can’t actually fathom believing such a thing. To my puritanical mind, the idea seems depraved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52uot1y9xb0?start=343&end=420
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American and British English have different spellings.

Am I the only person who finds the prospect of a new race emerging in Europe exciting?

The Romans were a great people – but didn’t the Germanic admixture plus the Near Eastern mixture make the northern Italians something new and exciting? Let’s be honest, the Romans could never have produced the art of the Rennaissance. Like today’s Chinese, they were great engineers and builders of public works, not artists or thinkers.

I’m not sure how significant the Germanic admixture was in Italy. My understanding is that the fall of the Roman Empire led to a decline in “exotic” ancestry there, probably because cities were demographic sinks.

I would modify your statement about the Romans by saying say they were excellent at systematizing(which poor thinkers will not do well). But they were not very inventive.

European nations are all wonderful and great – but hasn’t the old civilization exhausted itself?

It depends what you mean. Right now western countries are in a state of demographic and cultural decline. You could call that civilizational exhaustion. On the other hand, if you mean to ask have the ideas of European civilization exhausted themselves, I would say no. For example, evolutionary theory has yet to have its day in the sun in terms of its application to humanity. Ideas like eugenics went out of fashion after WW2, and even formulating certain hypotheses about for example group differences is controversial. The idea of natural selection is under 200 years old, the evolutionary synthesis is less than 100 years old, and high throughput sequencing is a little over 20 years old. The field is really only just getting started.

I don’t see much evidence that greater race mixing is solving 21st century man’s problems. One could for example posit that the Classical tradition in music had exhausted itself by the second half of the 20th century. Whether one accepts that idea or not, what I don’t see is anything offered by anyone else that even approximates the greatness of western classical music. So even if we accept the premise that western civilization has exhausted itself, it does not follow that mixing with people from elsewhere will improve anything. My view is that much of the cultural agglomeration that is occurring is destroying most of what is interesting about people around the world and that it is contributing to greater atomization, consumerism, etc.

Most of what I see in countries outside of the west is just copying. Everyone has the same architecture, same music, same declining fertility as the economy grows, etc. China’s modernization project for example is essentially just taking advantage of the larger scale of China’s population to beat the West at its own game. So they can construct ugly buildings more quickly than Western countries can.

Cultures don’t necessarily need large scale immigration of newcomers to change drastically. Isolation is a powerful driver of cultural development. Note that most(if not all) of what we consider special about ancient Greece came after the Greek Dark Ages. Prior to the Greek Dark Ages you had a culture more uniform and interconnected with the near East. This was followed by a period with more varied cultural forms and more isolation from the outside world. This would be followed by new cultural syntheses, different from the old Mycenaean civilization.

I can understand worries about the great White race being simply exterminated or replaced, but a new race emerging in Europe that is 70% White and 30% North African, Arab, Black, Asian – might this not lead to something exciting and new?

I would make the opposite argument. Just for a handful of examples, Madagascar, the Canary Islands, Central Asia, Latin America, the Caribbean, South Africa(cape Coloureds), all have various “interesting” mixtures. But I wouldn’t these peoples have had an inordinately high amount of contributions. I think the Nordic phenotype is more worthy of preservation.

Why is this to be so feared? Moreover, isn’t this the usual pattern for Europe? Breakdown followed by reconstitution along new-but-different lines with a big mixture of new races?

If you go back far enough, the people in Europe will look very different from the people there today. Does it follow from this observation that some particular future genetic change is necessary or good? Nope.

Of course, for a true new race to emerge in Europe at some point immigration would have to stop, and a great process of assimilation take place.

The Enlightenment elite that rules the West aims for the creation of a uniform type of man that lives his life according to reason. He has no innate characteristics and no inherited qualities. He is the epitome of John Locke’s Blank Slate and can be shaped entirely by reason.

This is a necessary corollary to the Enlightenment belief that mankind can be infinitely shaped by reason – innate characteristics, inherited dispositions, are an intolerable restrictions on this ambitious project.

For mankind to take charge of his destiny, innate characteristics cannot exist. He must be a blank slate up in which reason can write.

But such an ambition is pure hubris – mankind cannot take charge of his destiny through reason and is limited by inherited characteristics. This project is bound to fail.

Since the creation of a uniform man with no inherited disposition, the central project of the Western elites, is bound to fail, what will happen instead is the emergence of a new race with a new particular character.

I don’t see any need for a new particular character in Western man. The Romantic movement in Europe was about as radical an attack on Enlightenment values as can be articulated. Its ideas are out of fashion, but they do not have to remain so. Also John Locke’s idea of the blank slate is contradicted by evolutionary theory. The West has more than enough ammunition with which to destroy these ideas without having to look for outside input.

Prominent Indian and part-Indian people in US politics and government don’t help the case for this supposed “social and economic benefit” of Indians to the host country. Warmongering Republican liar Nikki Haley (former governor of South Carolina, to the discredit of South Carolinians); corrupt, vicious, and fraudulently selected Democrat VP Kamala Harris; and Republican grifter Bobby Jindal (former governor of Louisiana) are examples that come to mind.

And we didn’t have any pressing need for more cold-hearted fraudulent-billing doctors, surly motel owners, tax-evading cash convenience store owners, or overrated programmers and consultants who take jobs from native IT professionals and lower wages while often doing a mediocre job.

E.g., Indian doctor in NJ: https://www.sagar.com/desi-doctor-indicted-for-billing-fraud.html#:~:text=New%20Jersey%20Indian%20Doctor%20Gautam%20Sehgal%20Indicted%20for,himself%20or%20that%20were%20not%20performed%20at%20all.

Indian doctor in Ohio: https://www.leagle.com/decision/20051249355fsupp2d89411161

Indian doctor in Florida: https://fraudscrookscriminals.com/2019/02/04/florida-indian-american-pain-doctor-sentenced-in-medicare-fraud-case/

Indian doctor in New York: https://www.newsindiatimes.com/indian-american-doctor-gets-18-month-prison-sentence-in-30-million-healthcare-fraud-in-n-y/

Russia shouldn’t make the same mistake that the USA has made in admitting this nepotistic, disloyal Fifth Column from India. Russia simply should not risk permanent settlement and citizenship for anyone other than Russian-speaking, Christian European and Eurasian people. Tourist visas, education visas, business visas, absolutely, and a warm welcome for well-behaved useful temporary visitors from India like anywhere else.

https://media4.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_53.pdf

You’re full of shit. Indians have the lowest level of cultural assimilation of all ethnic groups in the U.S. Considering their lower numbers as compared with many Hispanic groups, that’s impressive.

This idea that host nations should be happy to welcome in foreigners who get rich at the expense of the locals is risible. It’s even worse when it’s from a parasitic, ethnically nepotistic, hostile group like Indians.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/japanese-supremacism/

One difference between the two is probably worth noting. Jordan Peterson is pretty transparently a grifter. I’m not sure that’s true of Scott Alexander.

Never heard of Yudkowsky and ‘the rationalist movement’. Did some search and the picture that emerged is that Yudkowsky is clearly a charlatan in the process of forming a profitable cult like movement and organization targeting Silicon Valley not dissimilar from the L. Ron Hubbard strategy of targeting Hollywood or Ayn Rand targeting NYC intelligentsia orphaned by Trotsky and Stalin deaths. That’s were the money is. Yudkowsky gets funding from techno-libertarianism like Peter Thiel. While Hanson is with Mason University that is generously funded by Koch brothers.

Yudkowsky in his youth during the dot-com bubble allegedly did some coding hoping to get rich. But it came to nothing.

https://web.archive.org/web/20010205221413/http://sysopmind.com/eliezer.html#timeline_the
“For two years, from late sixteen through late eighteen, I tried writing a commodities-trading program, by request, for a friend. Eventually I realized that trying to outprogram the stuff already on the market was three years of work for a full team of programmers”

“Why’d I take on a quixotic project, a tenuous gamble like that? Well, partially because it was there. It was something to do, something I could show my parents that I was doing. And it proved to me that, setting my own hours, and armed with knowledge of how my mind worked, I could work on something for two years without breaking. Part of it was also the immense payoff that a successful trading program would have meant; since childhood, I’d always imagined myself becoming rich first, then funding my own dreams.”

He has never completed any tangible project. He discovered that he was a better talker than doer. He realized he could persuade other people to fund him.

After a while, I admitted to myself that “getting rich and funding everything personally” might be the most emotionally satisfying way to imagine it – the way I’d happened to picture it back in my childhood, when my core dreams were being formed – but it wasn’t the fastest and most solid way from point A to point B.

His Machine Intelligence Research Institute (MIRI) is funded by Open Philanthropy ($3-$4 mil per year). His Center for Applied Rationality (CFAR) is funded by Open Philanthropy ($500k), Berkeley Existential Risk Initiative ($300k) and others.

Then there are LessWrong, Summer Program on Applied Rationality and Cognition (SPARC) and European Summer Program on Rationality (ESPR) that are funded separately.

He does what libertarians always do for plutocracy and oligarchy:

Robot Cultist Eliezer Yudkowsky’s Ugly Celebration of Plutocracy
https://amormundi.blogspot.com/2016/01/robot-cultist-eliezer-yudkowskys-ugly.html

The incident of Roko’s Basilisk exemplify the best the absurdity of Yudovsky’s intellectual universe:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/LessWrong#cite_note-61

Apparently the Roko’s Basilisk incident alienated “the head choppers” fellow cryonicists which are somewhere there in the bizarre constellation of libertarian transhumanists.

Everybody Freeze!
https://thebaffler.com/salvos/everybody-freeze-pein

What did change, thanks to the tech bubble, was the combined net worth of the Silicon Valley software engineers who are in the demographic sweet spot of the Alcor business model. Here were young people possessed of the lust for eternal life, who required no PR blitzes to persuade them of technology’s ability to overcome the brute empirical facts of the human condition—many with the outsize ego to cast themselves as Christlike figures awaiting resurrection and the ample self-confidence to ignore all naysayers.

A self-styled Nietzschean “overman,” More, now fifty-two, achieved geek-world fame as the bodybuilding “strategic philosopher” of the 1990s “extropian” movement. More’s journal, Extropy, promoted seafaring secessionism long before Peter Thiel’s Seasteading Institute hit the scene. It extolled the subversive potential of digital currencies before Bitcoin was a twinkle in Satoshi Nakamoto’s eye. It denounced, with eerie glee, environmentalists, “statists,” and “deathist” cryonics critics who threatened the transhuman future.

“The abolition of aging and, finally, all causes of death, is essential,” More wrote. Inspired by Nietzsche and Ayn Rand, he held that “transhumanism” was the next great leap in rationalized selfishness, and a necessary corrective to the “outdated values and ideas” of humanism. A fellow extropian, the cryptography pioneer Perry Metzger, formed an email list that was separate yet closely connected to the magazine.

One good thing is that now I understand better where AK was coming from when I have encountered him here at the UR and I am hoping that he grew out of that nonsense.

The writer of Albion’s Seed seemed to enjoy quoting the French traveller who compared Appalachian food to pig slop. Something like “they eat what we feed to the pigs”.

I believe that’s from the diary of Louis Philippe, former king of France.

It seems to me Yudkowsky is entirely without merit. I don’t really understand his elevated status.

You can’t understand why a nutty Jew is being promoted by other Jews and nutcases?

He’s promoted for the same reason libertarians/Milton Friedman/Austrian economics/Ayn Rand enthusiasts were promoted a generation ago. Namely, to poison the well. Just read the New York Times article about him. Look at how many of the people named are either Jews or fags.

this guy never wrote anything of value, so who cares. i’m puzzled why the HBD sphere thinks he was important.

but yes, it is indeed true that many people all over the political spectrum are privately HBD aware, even if they deny it hard in public.

Innovation is not showing any signs of slowing down. If anything, the 2010s marked an upsurge in a number of areas with momentum increasing into the 2020s. Everyone knows about AI but quantum computing has been an underdiscussed area. I don’t think most people understand just how rapidly progress is coming along.

By my count, there are at least five approaches to quantum computing, of which one is dedicated to using existing silicone rather than trapping ions etc at ultra-low temperatures. John Martinis of Google recently joined a start-up Australia dedicated to that approach. It’s an incredibly exciting and exhilarating time to be alive. Gene editing is the last major area I’m paying attention to, but you already covered a lot of ground in your comment.

It’s understandable that NRx midwits feel the need to universalise their own country’s hopeless stagnation to the rest of the world, but any such attempts should be rejected. As the saying goes: the future’s already here, it’s just unevenly distributed.

“This used to be a nice neighbourhood until all those Italians moved in” said no-one, ever.

There was a time not all that long ago that a fair number of people in the US said exactly that.

Descartes, Newton, and the rest of the boys in the band wouldn’t have seen it that way. To them, what they were doing is enunciating the divine laws by which the universe is governed. Newton in particular was a serious theologian. In all of the examples AP mentions of technological advances to be credited to Christianity, he would actually have a stronger case by singling out Newton’s contributions, which were plainly influenced by Christian philosophical ideas.

The ideas of Locke and Hume(Dmitry rightly mentions him) were damaging to religion in a different way than the people you mentioned. I believe there has been a tendency to conflate scientific and empirical thinking with skeptical and relativistic thinking as if they are the same. This conflation has introduced a great deal of rot. Locke and Hume are partly to blame for this state of affairs.

Yes. It’s rather logical, given that for centuries prior to Christianity Northern Europeans didn’t accomplish much, and Greeks and Romans while brilliant theorists were not so focused on transforming the world.

It might seem logical if it weren’t the case that northern Europe remained a backwater long after the adoption of Christianity. To say northern Europe didn’t accomplish much is also rather ridiculous. For just one example, Scandinavians made it to north America, a feat which would not be replicated elsewhere.

These problems are all due to the erosion of Christianity. The Classical world also experienced an erosion – Christianity then stepped in, and everything turned out better.

In other words, what AP thinks is good = Christianity, bad = not Christianity. Pure assertion on your part.

You put it backwards. Christianity came first, and transmitted the Roman and Greek knowledge while combining it with a non-Classical weltanschauung – the Christian drive to not only further contemplate and study the natural world as the Ancients did but also to control it. So already in medieval times practical refinements were being made, and systems were created (universities, scientific method) that would maximize advancement. So already monks were trying to come up with perpetual motion machines or to transform materials into gold, not just theorizing.

Places like China or India had a thousands of years head start but were eclipsed by the Christian Europeans who had recently emerged from barbarism.

According to your logic, Ethiopians should be the most advanced people in the world.

When some other part of the world is ahead of Europe, that only shows how impressive it was that Christian Europe later got ahead. When some other part of the world is behind Europe, that only shows how superior Christianity is. Using this kind of argument, it’s impossible to falsify anything you say.

You are simply crediting all advances that occurred after Christianity’s adoption to Christianity. If you’re going to adopt these assumptions, you have no basis for denying the modern critic of Christianity who blames it for modern liberalism, mass immigration, minoritarianism, atomism, relativism, dysgenics etc. But I bet you will not accept this.

Most of the northern European advances you credit to “Christianity” could instead be credited to something like “Roman technology” and Christianity be looked at as an ideology free-riding on a Roman civilizational model which pre-dates the adoption of Christianity.

Besides, in other parts of the world we have alternative models where your story about Christianity simply doesn’t work. In China Christianity is a dangerous foreign cult which undermines national unity, opens it to malign foreign influence, and leads to wars, and has been that way for hundreds of years. Modern Japan’s rise is partly the result of successful persecution of Christianity.

One could also spend ages nitpicking your simple story of a linear advance from the adoption of Christianity onwards. From a human welfare standpoint, all of those fancy buildings didn’t do the majority of people much good, and the world remained Malthusian until relatively recently. From the perspective of who built the fanciest stuff, even you have to admit that the picture isn’t as nice as you described. At the very least, the post-Classical, pre-Renaissance world had regressed in many ways.

Crediting Christianity with medical advances is a particularly big stretch on your part. Medical practices in Europe were worse than useless for treating infectious diseases. Europe was a backwater in this respect. The Chinese had variolation to treat smallpox centuries before the Europeans, and the Europeans were the last part of the civilized world to learn of it.

I say all this not to advance the thesis that Christianity is responsible for all modern ills and that all of the advances in northern Europe described had nothing to do with Christianity. I think that thesis would be an exaggeration. Certain forms of Christianity have been used to spread literacy, universalistic religions probably do have an advantage for larger scale societies as opposed to smaller, tribal ones, and the pathetic state of medicine in Europe has to be blamed on the retention of Classical ideas. Roman doctors, whether Pagan or Christian, were on the wrong track with regard to infectious disease. Nor do I believe something so laughable as the idea that all medieval technological advances are linked to Roman ideas. Besides, any honest person will have to grapple with the fact that Christian ideas are highly varied. But your story is even more of a caricature than the one I could present, one which I don’t even believe.

Having different species is sub-optimal according to AnonfromTN’s logic.

If I take an animal that requires white fur to avoid predation in its environment, clone it, but add more genetic variation for fur color, that animal is going to be at a distinct disadvantage even though it has (slightly) more genetic variation than its (almost) clone.

Humans are a relatively young species, genetic variation in humans all over the globe are much smaller than genetic variations in Drosophila melanogaster (one of fruit fly species) population in Los Angeles. This means that humans are not genetically varied enough to ever achieve outbreeding depression.

Now you’re claiming there is a constant rate across all species at which outbreeding depression occurs.

You really cant compare mules with racially mixed humans, donkeys and horses dont even have same number of chromosomes, so they really are different species unlike dogs and wolves.

That’s exactly what AnonfromTN did:

“in all mammals inbreeding is harmful, outbreeding is good, far outbreeding is even better.”

Russia has a long history of going easy on traitors.

Charles Murray identifies as a libertarian. Tells you all you need to know about him.

You are probably right about that and I also agree with your comment about the push towards reproduction decrease. But I am thinking about the global middle class, people who really own something and who indeed drive the consumption and economic growth. If the idea is to lower their consumption and cull their numbers, then some calamity is required to make them abandon everything they worked for.

Indeed all of the things I described particularly hurt industrious people(middle class and also people who want to rise above their station) who want to raise families.

I’m not convinced the idea is to lower reproduction per se. I don’t think elites are particularly good long-term planners. More than that, I don’t think any of the stuff they are advocating actually works. Destroying the fertility of society’s most industrious people is shrinking the size of the elite’s pie.

I also don’t get how the EVs play into reducing the reproduction. I agree that it allows for limiting the freedom of movement, but how does it decrease reproduction?

Limiting freedom of movement also limits economic prospects. Large numbers of people drive large distances because it pays more. I also suspect electric cars(I don’t really have objections to electric scooters/motorbikes, which are somewhat practical in dense areas over small distances) will raise costs in other ways, but that is more speculative so I will leave that out.

I’m not sure which Brahmin data you are referring to. All I have seen on Unz is a reference to a 2003 New Immigration Survey which measured digit span among children. The sample size of Indians in that study was very small, so that particular data is useless. Even if it were a large sample, there would be no reason to assume Indian immigrants of any sub-group are representative of that sub-group in India. If I have missed some post from AK dealing with Brahmin IQ, I would be interested in knowing.

My personal suspicion is that Brahmin Indians aren’t very bright. If there are high IQ sub-groups in India, which there may well be, they are probably a very small percentage of the population.

Maybe it is a powerful arguments against “pure IQism.” But it’s an even stronger argument for anti-Semitism.

It must be an economic Armageddon for the masses to accept the benevolent help of the elites and forfeit their private property and human rights.

The average person will sell themselves into debt slavery for very little. A certain subset even sell themselves into slavery so they can inject harmful drugs. So no, there need not be an Armageddon for the masses to accept the benevolent help of the elites and forfeit their private property and human rights.

Drudgery is essential to any civilization. Basic maintenance requires large amounts of drudgery. Therefore UBI will not replace drudgery jobs. I know there are a lot of people here who seem to believe the hype that AI will solve this. All I can say is that people have been saying this for half a century, they were wrong then, and they have no more evidence for their claims now.

Affordable family formation is what is being destroyed. UBI, the gig economy, mass immigration, low workforce participation rates, urbanization, decreasing rates of home ownership, cost disease, increasing consumption of subscription based and/or digital goods that you don’t actually own, tertiary education requirements, and soon electric vehicles are all things which make basic reproduction less viable.

You might be onto something here. I think that the elite might well envision this demigod status for their offspring. Demigods living on a planet emptied from the annoying multitudes. A biosphere restored to its former glorious state, clean energy, robotisation and automation, genomic optimization, very long lifespan and no hoi polloi to spoil their picnic. It would take a few generations to get there, but these people probably plan on a longer time-frame than many nation-states.

Without British inspired Franc-maçonnerie there would have been neither of these revolutions. Arguably, there wouldn’t have been any revolution in Europe, with the notable exception of the English Revolution. The Eternal Anglo is such a trailblazer for all of us feeble humans…

This amount of extrapolation is absurd.

He contrasted Bhutan with Tibet noting that Bhutan was rated happiest country in the world. He repeatedly refused to acknowledge that you had hundreds of thousands of people who had to flee from Bhutan into Nepal because of discrimination. It’s almost comical how people let their ideology blind them of facts and reality.

There is nothing wrong with ethnic cleansing.

They’re claiming Mackey was attempting to fool people into thinking they could vote online.

The primary “crime” that the feebs arrested Ricky for appears to be “illegal construction, deployment, and use of fully automatic weaponized memes,” with a secondary count of “conspiracy to employ said memes to carry out a meme massacre in various social media venues, possibly resulting in thousands of digital casualties.” According to the major semitic narrative promotion agencies, these “crimes” are apparently punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

The feebs are also trying to claim that Ricky conspired to engage in “voter fraud” (wait, I thought that didn’t exist?) by posting an obviously satirical tweet “encouraging” potential Hillary voters in the Negro community to avoid the lines on election day by texting their “votes” to a particular number.

The weak response to this action on the part of the Federal Joke Police is the DR3 one: “What, they believe that Blacks are too dumb to get the joke?”

It’s more useful to note that, under systemic semitism, there is no rule of law in this c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶r̶y̶ economic zone. The only law is “Who, whom?”

Here’s a prominent [and virulently anti-White] Twitter account engaged in exactly the same sort of satire/ mockery… but directed at an officially-approved target [ordinary White Americans], rather than an officially-sacralized one*:

https://twitter.com/mskristinawong/status/795999059987173377

Here’s an archive in case she deletes it — but she won’t. This is a deliberate flex; she knows she’s not running any risks by attacking an establishment-approved target. No one in power at the FBI, the major narrative promotion agencies, or even Twitter believes that there is anything “Wong” with this — moral particularism/ double standards are the very essence of systemic semitism. Not only is there no chance that she’ll be arrested (or even questioned) for the exact same behavior that Ricky is facing 10 years in prison for — there’s not even a chance that she’ll lose her Twitter account, or even her “verified” status (she’s a member of the Blue Cheka, of course).

As a side note — for Asian women, spewing anti-White vitriol helps them to gain (and maintain) establishment-supported sinecures. As long as they endorse the hegemonic anti-White narrative, they count as “woke WOCs,” with all of the intersectional privilege that status entails. Or, to frame it in the officially-mandated terminology of critical race theory, if they make an “active choice to identify in solidarity against matrices of oppression,” express “racial solidarity with African Americans,” and “work in solidarity with other communities of color for a racial justice agenda,” then they fit into the progressive stack as what the intersectionally-woke refer to as an “honorary Negro.” (OK I made that last one up)

But if they should ever fail to toe the party line — AKA if they make “efforts to climb the U.S. racial hierarchy and obtain the privileges of whiteness” — suddenly they magically morph into “yellow trash”. Oops, that’s not the right term… they’re called “multiracial White supreemists.”. No, I’m not kidding. That one I didn’t make up. Clown world indeed.

I wasn’t asking a legal question. I was asking what his intention was. Was he joking? In addition to being ignorant of the law according to you, I can also add that I’m not necessarily up to date with the latest memes. So I hoping for some context. I’ve never heard of Ricky Vaughn before this.

That’s just a scam, like everything Elon Musk does.

Even the Anglo stereotypes about the Asian and Slavic women are somewhat similar, traditional and feminine etc.

I have never come across this stereotype of Slavic women in real life. It seems to come almost entirely from English speaking people on the internet(particularly continental Europeans, alt-right people, and sexpats of various sorts). I doubt this is an Anglo stereotype at all.

Democracy + capitalism = demographic collapse. I don’t think there’s any way to avoid that conclusion. You’d need either theocracy or dictatorship.

Democracy has nothing to do with it. Fertility has declined across much of the world, including North Korea.

They’re claiming Mackey was attempting to fool people into thinking they could vote online. I don’t follow the alt light/alt right/MAGA/griftnat scene much, so I don’t know the context. Was he seriously trying to trick people or is the “Avoid the line. Vote from home.” just a joke post?

Here’s what his dad, a lobbyist, had to say when Mackey was first doxxed: “We were devastated to learn this week of Doug’s beliefs and online activities as reported in the Huffington Post… They are antithetical to the values we hold and with which he was raised. We are still trying to understand how he could have done something like this and hope he will find some way to make amends for the harm he has caused.”

The leader of the Proud Boys being tied to the Feds is no surprise. Never get involved with groups who encourage you to break the law or otherwise put you in a compromising position. Hopefully people realize by now that Trump appointees have been deliberately luring people to commit acts for which they can be later charged. All of this frustration about how Trump never stands up for his supporters is missing the point.

The sad thing is that simply being racist could have prevented these people from trusting someone like Tarrio.

If the elites ever do destroy America, you realize they are going to immediately decamp somewhere else and begin devouring that nation. Having more than one passport is becoming a status symbol. If the U.S. does go down, where will the international Jew go? Europe? Russia? China? That is the interesting question. Unfortunately for the rest of the world, while Ashkenazi Jews have low fertility, the U.S. has a fast growing Orthodox Jewish population. By the time the U.S. collapses, a large generation of parasites will be unleashed upon the world. So don’t get too excited.

It appears that they made the worst mistake any elite can make: started believing their own lies designed for the sheeple.

Thats an interesting claim, I often wonder how much elites believe in their own bullshit? Its clear that someone like Lyndon B Johnson or Nixon used civil rights movement and vocabulary just as a political weapon and didnt themselves personally believe that negroes were on the level of the white men, but maybe after couple generations of indoctrination and brainwashing, even creme de la creme of the society now believes in all the lies created in the 60s and 70s, even though their grandpas just cynically employed those lies for political gain. Extremely ironic I must say. How often selfish men forget that such thing as collateral damage exists, especially when you make civilizational decisions based on lies and subterfuge.

There is no such thing as an assimilated Jew. It’s Jews who assimilate other races into theirs. A jew marrying a White woman is an act of war, and gene theft.

I don’t think your question is very useful. Whether any particular response is justified will probably vary from country to country. Whether globalization is justified is a rather abstract question. I would prefer to phrase the question is such and such response effective in X country? In the aging, developed world, a complete non-response would have led to millions of deaths. The current response being taken may also lead to millions of deaths(impossible to say what vaccines will accomplish), or close to, plus economic dislocation. The ideal response would have been shorter and much firmer, in particular it would have involved non-voluntary quarantines, border closures, and would not have led to so many deaths.

I’m not convinced market capitalist globalization is going down either. Probably market globalism will accelerate in the sense that financial elites are going to massively expand their ownership of important assets across the world. Buying of distressed property for example is going to lead to much misery. If I were to project current trends forward(extrapolation however is not always sensible), I would suggest that people who are workers in a single country are going to suffer heavily while those with financial assets in different countries will benefit, even more so than was already the case. If I were to extrapolate it looks very much like we’re returning to serfdom, minus the farming.

I’m not too confident in any of these predictions however. Whether COVID will have long-lasting effects on the organization of the world economy or will prove to be a short-term panic which sets back the economic prospects of people over a period of say 5 years or less is unknown. It is worth discussing though.

One thing I am pretty confident about is that most people aren’t going to learn the right lessons from the pandemic.

4) Covid restrictions are justified and those who disagree with them are “subhumans”

If done properly, as in Asia, and people complied, COVID restrictions would indeed be justified. Justified by the principle that they are effective. Unfortunately the sub-human health authorities never even tried to prevent the pandemic, instead they went [late] for “flattening the curve” and other nonsense which only delays the spread, and ensures we have a large number of strains.

Unfortunately rightoids simply cannot distinguish between an effective and an ineffective response. So they flail about criticizing the government responses with exactly the wrong reasons, and the response of libtards inevitably leads to a defense of the ineffective government response, even when that’s not the intention. Most perversely, it is the health authorities themselves who are some of main beneficiaries from this state of affairs. Almost no one is blaming them, even though they are the ones most responsible for both the economic downturn and the COVID deaths.

The Jews are no less powerful in Russia than they are in the United States.

Most Americans don’t know what Anglo means either.

https://www.npr.org/2012/11/16/165270844/when-god-talks-back-to-the-evangelical-community

“My father’s father was a Christian Scientist. My father became a doctor. My mother’s father was a Baptist minister. She drifted away from the church. She still goes to church, it’s still really important to her, but this belief commitment is a struggle for her. But she still goes to church. All three of my cousins are theologically very conservative Christians. I grew up in an Orthodox Jewish neighborhood. I was a Shabbos goy, which means that on Friday nights I would go over to people’s houses and turn on and off the electrical switch so that they would have lights. So the perspective that I brought to this book was that I grew up knowing all these wise, good people who had different understandings of what was real. And that has always fascinated me ever since.”

Yes, but this just reinforces my point about how different the two sexes view each other. Women look at more non-physical attributes. Men generally get richer and more socially dominant (compared to their youth) when they age.

Since women view men as pretty ugly from the outset, age is much less of an issue. Ugly when young, ugly when old. By contrast, men are much more shallow in their selection for mates. If manoids could, most of them would have a dating pattern similar to DiCaprio:

There’s nothing shallow about preferring youth. Marrying an older, richer woman is a poor reproductive strategy. George Washington did that, and he got 0 children out of it. Serves him right.

Men are on average horny bastards and have lower overall standards because of this. But women certainly care very much about physical features. Your post on height is an example.

Women’s standards tend to lower as they get older. Comparing male and female peers is highly misleading. A much older man can still be desirable to women. The reverse is usually not the case.

The events on Jan 6 were likely instigated by federal agents and undercover agent provocateurs. Max Blumenthal has a overview since he lives in the city and went to the protest. He was even tipped off by knowledgable sources inside the government that something was about to happen. The only question is if it was planned or “allowed to transpire” but it’s clear it was stage-managed. Police even opened the doors to the Capitol for the rightoid rabble.

People also say “oh man” when excited.

Look who runs Hollywood. WASPs were displaced from the film industry(which they built) almost 100 years ago. The people who run Hollywood have more sympathy for Italian mobsters than they do an ordinary English person.

If people in the U.S. want some other type of depiction of English people, they can watch British television shows. British mystery dramas are a niche in the U.S. They’re shown on public television.

Tell your friend that the workers need to lie low for a few months and keep their mouths shut.

Islam turns women into fat inbreds.

Chinese girl colleague just informed me that she bought Bitcoin. A crash is imminent.

Hard to find fault with this post. Your description of the “rightoid” as a “rule-follower authoritarian” is similar to how I describe conservatives: dumb conformists. I can only make one addition:

I think there is a larger historical context for behavior on the right. When you describe lack of support for the censored on the right, this is part of another trend: During the post WW2 era, there has been a complete separation between the far right and establishment conservatism. On the left that was not the case to the same extent. Social democratic parties were influenced by, and in different ways, pressured by, Communists and other fellow travelers. This was true even while the mainstream parties had to prove their anti-Communist credentials etc. In academia new fusions of liberalism and Communism(using both labels loosely) emerged. But on the right the tendency has been almost the opposite, in hostile circumstances conservatives have to prove that they’re not secretly Nazis and far right ideas really have no place at all in academia. I don’t believe only right wing psychological profiles can explain this state of affairs, incentives must also play a role.

Trump himself was worthless (most likely a Kushner/Likud trap and psyop from the beginning),

Yep. It should be obvious to people by now.

The CIA was responsible for funding the mujahideen, but Pakistan did all the actual work as I understand it. I don’t think the CIA cared much about what the ideology of the group was.

Yes, I agree with that. You can’t act like the Taliban did to the world’s only superpower (at the time) and not expect to be brutally punished for it.

Pakistan has done more to shelter Osama bin Laden then the Taliban ever did, and they have got off scot free. For that matter Pakistan basically created the Taliban and the mujahideen.

The war in Afghanistan was a farce, and Osama bin Laden was only in Afghanistan because the U.S. wanted him there rather than Sudan.

When the U.S. finally does leave Afghanistan, there’s a good chance the Taliban will take back control.

The biggest beneficiaries of the Afghan war are the heroin smugglers, who have killed more Americans than all Islamic terrorists combined.

Some more conspiratorial types are suggesting anti-Trump agitators are responsible for the capitol storming. I don’t rule some form of that idea out, but there are other possibilities. One is that the storming is an unintended effect of center-right grifting. The “stop the steal” business clearly has many layers of grifting involved, and for the grifting to be successful you need to stoke the MAGA crowd in an escalatory fashion. Perhaps these efforts have gotten out of control, and the capital storming was not intended.

In any case, it does seem like this act will only further discredit MAGA people. The question is what will the state do about it. AK has talked about state capacity recently. One measure of state capacity is how well it suppresses threatening dissent. If U.S. state capacity is weaker than people think, then its efforts to persecute MAGA people may often miss the target.

I think the main response to all this may be the authorities tightening the grip on social media.

Now good riddance, dumb US rightoid. You won’t see power again.

Rightoids never had power in the first place.

very surface level changes first, like making Puerto Rico a state

I wouldn’t exactly call this a superficial change, as the real reason they want to do it is to get 2 additional, and permanent, Democratic senators.

The problem is that there are no valid arguments against statehood for Puerto Rico. The US cannot hang on to the place indefinitely as a colonial possession. Eventually it will have to be given independence or statehood. Since there’s no way it will be given independence the only viable alternative is statehood.

There are simply no logical rational arguments that Republicans can make against this.

Statehood for Puerto Rico is one of the prices that has to be paid for imperialism. There’s no evading it.

East Asian women are out of control in White societies, they are the biggest race traitors out of any group of women.

East Asian men really need to go Sharia on their thots

No. If they don’t want their women marrying white men, they should stay out of white countries.

Black TFR has been below replacement for a while. It’s a pity the U.S. has had so many immigrants from Africa and the Caribbean, because they often have higher fertility than the native blacks. Without them, not only might black TFR be lower than whites, but blacks would quickly become irrelevant. Having lower fertility is a bigger problem when you are already a minority. We can all thank based liberals for making abortion on demand for all. It might turn out that liberalism plus Mexican/Central American mestizos are the white man’s greatest weapon against blacks. Blacks seem to have no defense against this powerful combination.

A good proportion of deaths are in care homes; in order to go into one of those places (not assisted living or something similar) you generally need to have dementia advanced to such an extent as to have very little executive function left and practically no sort term memory. This will only get worse and worse until you generally die of… pneumonia if something else doesn’t get you first.

People in care homes are easier to isolate. There really isn’t much of a relation, much less trade-off, between large scale lockdowns and protecting people in care homes. In some places, governments have actually instituted lockdowns and increased risks for care home patients at the same time, which is (take your pick) stupid/crazy/evil.

It would be interesting to see the Jewish fraction broken out. My understanding is that UK Jewry is significantly more Orthodox than in America or Sweden, and thus there is less intermarriage, so you probably get a clearer picture of underlying capability.

More likely, intelligent people are less likely to remain Orthodox, and differences in IQ between Orthodox and non-Orthodox will not give a clearer picture of underlying capability.

That is too sophisticated for most pol-memers here to accept. I’ve long battled perceptions that Indians are stupid. It’s not just the elite Brahmin class that is capable of being successful. Most Indians in Singapore came from a lowly background up until 1990, yet were earning close to ethnic Chinese levels. If you look at TIMSS scores for places like Mauritius, it has a huge range, with their 90th percentile on par with OECD and their 10th percentile on par with sub-Saharan Africa. Mauritius has a very large Indian population.

The numbers I have seen for the correlation between income and IQ aren’t that high, under .4, which means there is no need for complicated explanations to explain Indian incomes in Singapore, because Indian incomes in Singapore are not inconsistent with data about IQ and income. Even if we assume Indians in Singapore have the exact same average ability as Indians in India, which is just an assumption.

TIMSS scores aren’t particularly predictive of underlying ability either. You’re just picking measures which only weakly correlate with IQ.

Indians on average are dumb compared to northeast Asians or Europeans, and probably some other groups as well, but since there are a large number of them, there are likely a large number of smart Indians. Nothing complicated here.

No one has ever shown any good evidence that elite Brahmins(who are quite heterogeneous) are anything special. Looking at the state of India, I wouldn’t be surprised if “elite Brahmins” are even dumber and more corrupt than the castizos who run Latin America. Regional differences may complicate the picture.

In my opinion, hostility to China was going to be ramped up with or without Trump. What differs between Trump and the more mainstream liberals(both parties) is the methods employed.

I doubt the people running Trump’s trade policies have a coherent strategy, any more than the people running the Iraq War have a coherent strategy. At most, Trump’s strategy has been to try to punish China and aid U.S. companies. He has mostly failed in those efforts(personally I don’t think U.S. companies should be aided, but that’s another discussion). The consequences of his failures are as you describe. The liberals replacing him will try to build more gay international alliances to isolate China. These efforts will probably fail too, but I can see more deliberate efforts to move industry to places like India.

But mostly it’s not that. For example, much of the production which has moved to Vietnam is Chinese companies themselves choosing to move production. At most, the so-called trade war has sped the process up. Since Chinese companies will get cheaper labor in Vietnam than China, they are not hurting from this. A lot of decisions on locations of manufacturing facilities have little to do with what the U.S. government does. A more competent government could make more of an impact, but there is no chance of that in the United States.

If sufficiently harsh measures had been taken early on, the costs in dealing with the pandemic would have been lower. Travel bans, mandatory quarantines, shutting down very large scale activities(like sporting events) early on, and encourage of mask wearing, would have reduced the number of cases and made tracking and quarantining infections much easier. For example in the United States, just quarantining all returning travelers from Europe and doing literally nothing else would probably have made a significant difference. But the dumb leaders did nothing, and the sub-human health authorities gave people wrong advice.

What is so bad about quarantining boomer tourists from Italy, closing the borders, or shutting down globohomo sporting events?

That’s because right wingers are mostly conservatives, dumb conformists in other words. In the early days before the pandemic was raging in the West, the media in the United States was downplaying any threat from the virus and claiming people should be more worried about flu. Conservatives, who are slower than liberals, have mostly stuck to this narrative. Liberals, who are less dumb than conservatives and who have very weak convictions, are quick to change their views to keep with the latest fashions. In case it needs to be said, rationality has little to do with either side’s behavior.

It can’t be emphasized enough how dumb conservatives are for taking the bait however. The mainstream liberal response to the pandemic, which in most countries is a combination of ineffective measures with moral panic, has done no one any good. But the right has to outdo the left, and come up with even dumber ideas.

So either the Chinese are hiding the true figures or the virus is simply not that deadly. I think I actually contracted it back in January of last year and it was nothing special.

Or maybe quarantines and lockdowns actually work. COVID is a novel virus, I see no reason why strong measures cannot eradicate it from areas.

COVID isn’t particularly deadly to the non-elderly.

I know people tend to over-estimate Chinese abilities here, but do you really think they managed to eradicate the virus and that it wasn’t freely spreading around when they were having those pool parties in Wuhan?

Why not? Wuhan had a strict lockdown and China quarantines all people who test positive and all people entering China from abroad.

To the commenters who are interested in religious and philosophical matters I would like to recommend Sino-Theology and the Philosophy of History: A Collection of Essays by Liu Xiaofeng, translated by Leopold Leeb.

The main part covers sections of his book Sino-Theology and the Philosophy of History, wherein he discusses Hegel’s statement that things spiritual are “very far away” from Chinese, the philological problem of “national-historical languages” in relation to the universal divine revelation of Christ, the distinction between pre-Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment European thought and how Chinese thinkers have been exposed the latter but not the former (which he deplores), the development of Christian theological studies in post-1949 Chinese academia and cultural Christianity, et al.

Also included are prefaces to other books and short essays on the introduction of Straussian thought in then-contemporary China (its possibilities and why foreign liberalists are so concerned about it) and his analysis of Hobbes’ Leviathan and Hobbes’ radical attack on God and Christianity.

He often shows the influence of German intellectuals. Liu’s thoughts are often rather heterodox but interesting (not included here but, among other translation projects, he has led the translation of classical Christian and Carl Schmitt’s œuvres into Mandarin as well as made textbooks for the teaching of classical languages).

It has an high academic price-range (so very expensive) but it can be downloaded at LibGen:

http://libgen.rs/scimag/10.1163%2F9789004292826

The vote was for approval of the new flag. Voters were not given the choice to keep the old flag. The decision to remove the old flag was already made by the Mississippi legislature. The last time a referendum occurred which had the option of keeping the old Mississippi flag design was in 2001, when 64.39% voted in favor of keeping the flag. Considering Mississippi was about a third black, that is a decisive defeat.