I hate to be the bearer of the bad news, but you cover the employment costs as the consumer regardless of how they get paid.

Must have been a suburb of Antwerp, the centre is in general quite nice, in general it is a very smart city and coming from a country where our second city is Birmingham(not the one in Alabama) i weep when i think of how liberals talk about such a city as being "wonderfully diverse" when it is a general dump and one that for obvious reasons would never attract any number of tourists from America or even Europe. I hope Antwerp does not go downhill as i did like it there last time i was there 4 years ago and it is a city that contains such history and a beautiful smartly dressed and well presented people.

Going to the Ivy League doesn’t seem to protect you from falling into crackpottery.
 

That was in the 1980s. By the late 90s I doubt anyone (even a reprobate like me) would dare roll his eyes, at least not if anyone was looking. Apostates might have permitted themselves a few stray thoughts though.

But that's decades ago now, and the decades haven't been too kind to the notion of free thought, much less free speech. How many undergrads at the 'finer' colleges even permit themselves a stray thought any more?

Crimestop is far more likely, and it offers an easier life overall once you have it calibrated properly. Many seem to excel at that, at least.

Replies: @Steve Sailer, @AnotherDad, @Voltarde

Indians exist because of white empathy. The time is coming when they will be confronted by, and completely in the hands of, people like Xi Jinping. The ones who can grovel or occupy a cubicle will do well enough and the ones who make trouble will no longer get a pardon from their ancestry.

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If America belongs to the World, as the open border crowd claims
 

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WokeNet Uber Alles!

https://youtu.be/meB86uG2qQM

"If you believe in the blank slate theory in which every race is equal in their characteristics, then her conclusions are flawless…"

No, they're not. Even if you assume fundamental racial equality, and thus assume environmental causes for disparities, it should be clear to anyone not deluded that US black ghetto culture is a noxious environment and a far more likely proximate cause for the disparities between US blacks and the rest of the population than "institutional and personal racism".

Keep in mind the older white men won’t be retaliated against. The intended target will actually be the young. The children will be sacrificed to Boomus the Boomer God of Wokeness. In order to keep stocks and real estate at acceptable levels.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6Vw-62YnWMs/S2Foxjv965I/AAAAAAAABIs/NdVJ5VRU5z8/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/child+sacrifice+to+Canaanite+gods.jpg

Chess is knife-fighting without the blood. Testosterone counts there, same as any other fight.

A relative was a master chess player, and his belief was that women didn't make the very top levels because tournaments were so physically draining.

Not to mention competitiveness, interest/obsession, and right tails on the analytical bell curve.

But the man on the ground thought it was stamina.

Replies: @CAL2, @keypusher, @Nachum

The Queen's Gambit, although an entertaining little item, was Hollywood SJW tripe. Of course, you knew that.

The family member I mentioned above could beat guys like this and make a few bucks in NY City. We went there once, and yeah he beat some of these guys and it felt good (to me too!). It helped that they thought he was some rube. You had to keep on them for the cash though.

I haven't read all the comments yet - looking forward to it.

Requires a future time orientation.

"goes by" means "when he needs to cash a welfare check."

Chess tends to be among the whitest of activities.
 

https://i.imgur.com/QXhLWtO.jpg

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"Hungarian Jews"

Good list of suspects. You missed one, however: Dr. Emilio Lizardo. He believes in Science.

Hungarian Jews are probably, on a per capita basis, the smartest people ever
 

The Atomic Bomb Considered As Hungarian High School Science Fair Project

A group of Manhattan Project physicists created a tongue-in-cheek mythology where superintelligent Martian scouts landed in Budapest in the late 19th century and stayed for about a generation, after which they decided the planet was unsuitable for their needs and disappeared. The only clue to their existence were the children they had with local women.

The joke was that this explained why the Manhattan Project was led by a group of Hungarian supergeniuses, all born in Budapest between 1890 and 1920. These included Manhattan Project founder Leo Szilard, H-bomb creator Edward Teller, Nobel-Prize-winning quantum physicist Eugene Wigner, and legendary polymath John von Neumann, namesake of the List Of Things Named After John Von Neumann.

The coincidences actually pile up beyond this. Von Neumann, Wigner, and possibly Teller all went to the same central Budapest high school at about the same time, leading a friend to joke about the atomic bomb being basically a Hungarian high school science fair project.

But maybe we shouldn’t be joking about this so much. Suppose we learned that Beethoven, Mozart, and Bach all had the same childhood piano tutor. It sounds less like “ha ha, what a funny coincidence” and more like “wait, who was this guy, and how quickly can we make everyone else start doing what he did?”

In this case, the guy was Laszlo Ratz, legendary Budapest high school math teacher. I didn’t even know people told legends about high school math teachers, but apparently they do, and this guy features in a lot of them. There is apparently a Laszlo Ratz Memorial Congress for high school math teachers each year, and a Laszlo Ratz medal for services to the profession. There are plaques and statues to this guy. It’s pretty impressive. https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/05/26/the-atomic-bomb-considered-as-hungarian-high-school-science-fair-project/
 

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But reality shows the reverse. Chattering beats accomplishments every time.

I’ve read that many labor unions had to purge their commies in the fifties. The IBEW, the Teamsters, the Steamfitters were all targeted by the Soviets with an eye toward crippling the US industrial sector if the time ever came. Even today, it’s frightening what a relative handful of guys could do to some pretty vital infrastructure.

Per the Bureau of Labor Statistics, 82% of the 'reporters, editors &c' are white. Hispanics of any race make up 9%. About 75% of post-secondary teachers are white; about 15% are Oriental or East Indian; 8% are hispanics of any race.

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It is something to do with its status as a tax haven, hence GDP per capita is vastly inflated.

This is not about race. She's a dude, man!

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That thing in the second picture (Michaela Cole) is in a show where she gets roofied and raped by a white guy. 🤢

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Me--"How did the ancestors from these groups become “one of U.S.”"

You--They’re European, dear boy.

Except those groups were deemed INFERIOR by Heritage Americans. It did not matter that Italians, Greeks, Poles, and Slavs came from Europe, but rather that they were deemed an undesirable stock.

Moreover, you are being purposely deceitful, as I correctly pointed out in earlier threads. You are not making an apples to apples comparison with regards to beauty.

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Also because of the way different violent deaths are counted. Somali has rather a low homicide rate, but that seems to be accomplished by not including the half a million deaths due to the never-ending civil war .

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South Africa has a ridiculously liberal judicial system. It's notably the only African country with no death penalty. An African country with Swedish laws. Blacks misbehave everywhere but they behave worst in places where they risk no serious punishment for their actions.

I remember Dukakis was awful in 1988 (remember his reaction to the question of his wife hypothetically being raped), it destroyed the considerable advantage he got coming from the convention
 

http://s3-origin-images.politico.com/2013/11/01/dukakis_tank_2_c.jpg

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He was awful in the second debate, but I believe he won the first. He even got a poll boost after the first one

You just know they had her in zero G plugged into experimental nanotechnology with bat soup chemicals in her veins. I mean, I don’t blame her for wanting to stay alive. But why the hell didn’t she quit in early 2016 knowing she had cancer?

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My father in law lasted four long, hard, hard years. The late judge must have endured hell.

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I mean the ones actually providing the labour. To compete with China, at least before robots make low to medium skilled human workers obsolete, you need an army of workers. Russian scientists and engineers are not going to want to work for a relative pittance on production lines.

History has not ended; it must return until every last gay is free and Afro-America shines as its final promise of Wakanda as shown in the ancient myth of Black Panther.

You don't know many Asians I suspect.

They are, in these benighted days, far more "unbearable white and stuffy and so forth" than are whites themselves.

And God bless them for it.

It is hard for me to fathom how anyone could compose symphonic or operatic music in their heads, yet it has been done repeatedly, but sadly for the BIPOCs, mostly by white males.

I can see why they are pissed, because they know they will never be able to do anything nearly as good. So they have to tear down those who have created the music that defines Western civilization.

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Putin had him poisoned
 

Truer words were never written.

Is Ginsburg really a left-wing Jew? Wouldn't she qualify as center-left for most of her career?

Replies: @Dissident, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @James O'Meara

Yes, they do.

Jews have many talents. Self-awareness is not one of them.

Do left wing Jews like Ruth...think it will not eventually reached them?
 

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Do left wing Jews like Ruth Bader Ginsburg fomenting cultural revolution in America for decades think it will not eventually reached them?
 

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David Cole covers this in a piece over at Taki's titled Stop With the Golems, Already!:

We Jews love our golems. We’ve been loving our golems for thousands of years, and what a strife-free history we have to show for it! In case you’re unfamiliar with the golem fable, I’ll give you the CliffsNotes edition. There’s no one single version of the story, and each retelling might alter certain details, but the unchanging basic narrative is this: Jews are being threatened by Gentiles (no, really?), so a rabbi obsessed with protecting his people builds a giant humanoid monster out of clay (or mud) and brings it to life to defend his beloved shtetl (or village, or kosher deli).

Once the main threat has been defeated, the rabbi, in his lust for vengeance, can’t stop using his golem to right real or imagined wrongs. Soon enough, the golem starts attacking Jews. The monster has now turned its ire on the very people it was built to serve, and the rabbi is forced to battle his own creation.
 

In Tudor England you rise high on merit, e.g., Cardinal Wolsley, butcher's son.

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Russians don't have any influence in Kazakhstan whatsoever, we are not verbally tilted and maniacally ethnocentric to form ethnic lobbies like Jews or Armenians. The Russians in Kazakhstan only serve as cognitive horsepower.

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The whole "spices cover for spoiled food" is a myth. I think it started with Protestant attempts to slander the middle ages as a benighted Catholic run hellhole full of dirty peasants eating spoiled food, believeing the earth was flat...

It's largely a matter of fashion or trends - Medieval European cooking was full of spices when they could get them, somewhat similar to modern North African cuisine. Then Catherine de Medici became the queen of France and she brought with her an Italian style of cooking that relied less on spices and the French adopted this new style. Food that still had spices in it was seen as old fashioned and people wanted to cook in the new fashion. Royals often set the fashion tone and everyone else follows.

Conversely, the cuisines that we think of as "hot" such as Indian or Sichuan did not use chili peppers at all until they were brought to Asia from the Americas by the Portuguese. Nor did Italians have tomatoes nor did the Irish and E. Europeans have potatoes. The Romans relied heavily on a salty fermented fish sauce called garum that was similar to Vietnamese fish sauce but then it disappeared from the Western diet. Much of our diet is relatively recent and if you were to go to any part of the globe in 1500 you would probably not recognize the cuisine as being what you associate with that part of the world today.

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No, spices prevent food from spoiling. It's an important difference. People who eat spoiled food die.

They don't just protect food either. A simple and effective bedbug repellent is to cover your bedsheets with ground pepper before going to bed. The bugs hate it and won't bother you.

They really don’t. If anything was a “social construct” it would be whiteness.

(This was made waaaayy back in 2004, long before the “Great Awokening.”)

https://youtu.be/9hcKNxMJ-w4

Well first of all this graph is of reading only, their mean PISA scores are lower than Russia's: https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa/

Then there's the fact that Russia and Switzerland have low-scoring minorities dragging them down too.

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The Purges & The Cultural Revolution are 2 great examples of the kind of Salem type secular witch trials we see going on witj wokism, metoo, BLM etc

Yeah, except now we have a lot more stuff instantly documented. So it's harder to get away with.

The other lesson we learn from the Great Purges and the Cultural Revolution is that this is a dangerous game to play. Once you are sitting in your rival's seat, now all of your fellow sociopaths want YOUR job and YOU are in the cross-hairs. Better pray that you are without sin. What was that Halloween costume that you wore in 2008? That time when you and Mary got drunk at the Christmas party and you went back to her place. Are you SURE that was consensual 'cause now Mary doesn't remember it that way...

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This has a long history in the West. During the late Roman Republic, Marius and Sulla were bitter rivals who ignited a civil war; Sulla went on campaign to conquer Mithradates, and Marius' faction established proscriptions (death sentences) on Sulla's allies in Rome. When Sulla returned and defeated Marius' allies, he, in turn launched his own proscriptions on Marius' supporters. Many took advantage of the situation to falsely accuse wealthy neutrals or other innocents of being a Marius supporter, simply to settle a personal score or get the condemned person's assets, which were forfeit upon sentencing.

I was going to say the Lithuanian guy looks like Charles Atlas.

Scotland is slated to join the Nation of Islam. The Ummah awaits.
No more wee drams for ye laddies.

The SNP are the major left-wing party along with Labour. The Conservatives are marginally less insane than this.

Ironically, this guy represents Scotland’s nationalist party. I’d hate to see what the leftists parties believe in.
 

I would much rather the US just became less focused on innovation and become more of a relaxed, normal country, and a better work/life balance.
 

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Or innovation and high income creates resentment among people who can't hack it. Academic grievance studies are word games for midwits who can't start their own tech company.

Unfortunately, the current Leftist craziness demonstrates a commitment to being free from the constraints of reality and human nature, which is exactly the attitude that drives innovation.
 

From the 1990s on, the US Democratic Party has become economically capitalist but culturally Marxist. It’s a very odd mixture, I doubt it is stable, but this is the dogma since around Bill Clinton became president.
 

From the 1990s on, the US Democratic Party has become economically capitalist but culturally Marxist. It’s a very odd mixture, I doubt it is stable, but this is the dogma since around Bill Clinton became president.
 

BTW, there is nothing remotely Marxist about cultural Marxism so it's better to use a different term.

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About first two were myths.

Yes, quite agree.

Chechens are probably the toughest men in the world, arm in arm with Dagestanis. Hyper aggressive and raised to be warriors. Find the video of the Chechen going on a rampage in Uzbekhistan after Uzbeks mocked his wife. He basically runs around beating the crap out of gangs of Uzbek men. It's amazing.

North Africans are woman-beaters, not raised to fight men but instead to dominate weaker people. They attack in packs only, since individually they don't stand much of a chance.

However, you are correct that the numbers favor the North Africans.

@andy, Chechens are mountain European, they are not like the soft liberal Europeans, for them honor is more important than life. One Chechen Is like 10 Algerians, I pick quality over quantity..

It will all come down to which team has the better drivers and shooters. Chechens are skilled shooters but notoriously bad and reckless drivers. (I'd bet money a Chechen was driving the careening car in the video Steve posted.) I'm not sure of the Algerian skills in these areas.

I seem to remember reading, perhaps here on iSteve, that Chechens had committed more Islamic terror attacks around the world (measured per capita) than individuals from any other muslim country.

It's not the leaders, per se, but The Owners of those leaders that have their sights set on ghettoization.

We know who The Owners are, everyone does... but they're at the top of the Victimhood Pokemon Points structure, they're untouchable.

... for now.

We've already seen cracks in the Saint Floyd retard brigade, but at least those poor fucks don't give a shit about the Shoah, etc.

The difference between the US and Russia/China is that the latter’s leaders have a strong sense of national identity and that their nations deserve greatness.
 

Then again, what a pod!

One runs a country that only produces oil, has a crashing birth rate, replete with vodka swilling losers, and where the guys with the money live in London to watch their overpriced soccer teams or are lounging in their custom made villas on the shores of the Adriatic (Do svidaniya crazy Russian winters!)

Those oligarchs have taken money laundering to a new art form.

The other runs a country desperately trying to exit the 17th century for a couple hundred millions of its citizens, and to do so, they will cheat, steal, and make tons and tons of plastic trinkets for sale at Walmart and Target. Meanwhile they're working over time to ensure various forms of Han racial displacement in places like inner Mongolia, and, if they can't push out or breed out the ethnic groups -- those crazy Uyghurs just won't stop having babies -- we'll throw them into camps and force feed them pork tenderloin.

Speaking of pork, they somehow can't seem to keep the little piggies from getting sick and being useless as food. On top of that they wind up infecting vast swaths of the global human population because their chief scientists are so incompetent as they forget to close the doors behind them when they leave the Level 4 virology lab for the evening.

And millions and millions of young reproductive age males who, given the one child policy, will never get laid.

And then -- worst of all!! -- Jack Ma, Ma Huateng, and all the other Chinese billionaires are buying up all the good French wine!

"Greatness." Yeah, that's what's happening.

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half of our political leaders think our culture needs to be destroyed
 

America is now just a place to make money, there’s no unity. A concerted effort from adversaries will bring it down in 20 years or so.

Replies: @Altai, @The Alarmist, @SunBakedSuburb

The difference between the US and Russia/China is that the latter’s leaders have a strong sense of national identity and that their nations deserve greatness. In the US on the other hand, half of our political leaders think our culture needs to be destroyed, and the other half are too busy finding ways to pass legislation to please their corporate donors than pay attention to the people they supposedly represent and whose interests they should safeguard.
 

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Your faith in the leadership of these two dictatorships is not shared by the leadership itself, which isn’t willing to chance a free press or real elections.

We’ll eventually see just how much solidarity the billionaire class of China has with their peons when wage rates are high enough to entice third world migrants.

Ultimately not a good comparison, as core Americans are the heirs of men unwilling to tolerate the yoke, while the Russians and Chinese people submit with bovine resignation.

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In the US on the other hand, half of our political leaders think our culture needs to be destroyed
 

and the other half are too busy finding ways to pass legislation to please their corporate donors than pay attention to the people they supposedly represent and whose interests they should safeguard.
 

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That's not a very stable given. See Russia before Putin and likely Russia after Putin.

The problem is that there's no solidarity left in the White-American population. The White population is now extremely individualistic, with no sense of broader group identity.

The typical White feels no affinity for his co-ethnics. He interacts minimally with his neighbors and local community members. Even when dealing with close friends and extended family/clan, he maintains a certain degree of social distance.

The typical White is socially adrift in a highly atomized world, in which nobody bands together with anybody on any large scale.

So it's easy for more wealthy or powerful groups to peel off Whites. Whites often get roped into supporting groups who do not share their interests (and often feel outright revulsion for them).

For example, White Democrats are locked into a coalition with chip-on-the-shoulder Blacks and anti-borders (except for Israel) globalist Jews, who want everyone to celebrate racial marginalization of Whites. Meanwhile, White Republicans are being commanded by Jewish Neocons, who want Red State families to send their sons overseas (and spend trillions of dollars) to fight the Muslim menace.

So White Democrats feel proud that they stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Blacks and other "diverse" population. White Republicans feel proud that they support Israel and are taking part in a mass-scale genocide in the Middle East.

How insane is that?

An entire race of people are being subverted by outsiders.

White Democrats are willing to allow Blacks and Jewish-controlled Anti-Fa to basically stage a nationwide coup, causing significant destruction to cities in the process. The Republicans want to use the military to slaughter millions and stage coups overseas in the Middle East, bankrupting our country in the process.

The insanity has hit the breaking point.

The Jews have turned America into a hideous fusion of Cultural Revolution-era China and Weimar Germany.

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half of our political leaders think our culture needs to be destroyed
 

" Britain was a very nasty empire for those under its yoke"

Compared to what? The Mongols? The Huns? The Arabs? The Turks?

If we take Yemen as an example, we can say the British leaving was a disaster for the populace.

But the point is 1) they can use it as a way to demonstrate how irredeemable white men are and at the same time 2) demonstrate their only possible path to reconciliation.

This will be huge if China actually succeeds and make it work.

A tip to everyone, diversify your holdings now = across countries, not in a singular country or company.

Hasn't Kim himself been declared "possibly probably dead" 2 or 3 (or 4?) times already?

He may have indeed been in hospital then and dead now but the press isn't be trusted on this or much else. unfortunately nobody holds them accountable when they get things wrong so they really have no motivation to try to get things right.

Regarding this subject though, it's obvious that the rumors are meant to harass these political leaders that they don't like and also to stirred out into the people of that country and possibly lead to some sort of rebellion. it's a tactic of psychological and social Warfare that of course every country uses or would use whenever they wanted to. So it's no surprise that the press would consider himself the fourth estate what do it as well. Regarding Kim jong-un, who knows if it's a good thing? Or for whom?

It is funny though to think of Kim Jung Un harassed. politics aside, I think he kind of deserves it. I would love to watch it, ala, Team America: World Police.

Just came across this gem:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8248719/Swedens-coronavirus-cases-grow-slowly-Britains-despite-lack-lockdown.html

First of all, we don't really know how many have really been infected, but probably a lot more than the known # of cases. 2nd, it's probably going to take another wave (or 2 or 3 if there's no vaccine) before we get to herd immunity. By then (next winter, after the election) the mass hysteria will be over and no one will dream of ever shutting the whole economy down again - it will be just accepted as another type of seasonal flu that carries off the elderly every winter. We've had bad flu years forever and no one ever thought of locking up the entire population and ending all commerce as the solution before and no one ever will again. This, like Salem Witch Fever, is unique to this particular moment in history.

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Like the Prof. said, let's look at the numbers this time next year. All we've done is dragged out our misery.

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Large Australian cities have metro train systems, they are just mostly not underground, and are not called subways - hence the lack of results when you google "Australian subways"

You can rack up 90% of the Australian results to;
a) Early (enough) quarantining of arrivals and border closures that were actually enforced (being an island helps)
b) Strong healthcare / biotech capability = high testing capacity
c) Reasonably unified government approach - easier with only a handful of relevant states
d) Luck - for the above factors, and that that larger clusters didn't develop earlier. It is surprising given the time of year this happened, that more cases were not imported from China early. Australia's universities (highly reliant on Chinese students) were instructing students from China how to get around the measures that preceded the border closures (i.e. routes through other provinces/countries) well into March

These factors allowed test and trace techniques to be used effectively - once the numbers get too big there's not much you can do, but it never got to that point in Aus. The same results were achieved in New Zealand with a very similar approach.


Things that probably don't matter that much;
Weather - This would have been demonstrated clearly if it were true. The least air-conditioned buildings in Singapore are the workers dorms, but that's where the breakouts are
Physical density - Human-to-human social contact is the major relevant variable here. Large train patronage likely affects it, but that didn't stop it spreading in rural Italian towns

Maybe also team sports provide fans of diverse backgrounds within a region new tribal identities to express and experience in conflict in a drama more-or-less disconnected from real life.

George Carlin saw baseball as native to America's agrarian past, and football as expressing modern military-industrial America.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIkqNiBASfI

Theyre doin dick checks

https://tenor.com/view/frank-booth-ill-fuck-anything-that-moves-blue-velvet-dennis-hopper-angry-gif-9584105

No trannies in Panama?

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returning from abroad
 

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I agree with this, but this gives rise to the question, what is the end game for ending the lockup? Unless the virus can be made extinct all over the planet, it's never going to end (at least not until there is herd immunity and/or a vaccine). Are we now locked in our homes forever? Is the era of air travel over? How are you going to take a week long vacation in Italy (or even in Colorado) if you have to spend two weeks in quarantine when you arrive and another two weeks when you get back home? We have locked ourselves in a living hell but how do we ever get out?

What politician is going to be willing to end the lockup if it means that it is going to be his fault that folks is gonna die as a result? I can see the campaign ads already.

Grainy blurred snapshot is shown on screen. Camera pans back and we see that it is being held by weeping widow Latisha Foster: "Tiquan was so full of life. Then (Republican) Governor Smith ended the quarantine too early and took him away from us. If he had only listened to the experts he would still be with us now."

BTW, the % of Wuhan Virus victims in Philly who are black is now over 50% and rising. This started with jet setters but it is not going to stay there.

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>>Your reply would be better if you have brought forward a counterexample of a paper or a dissertation about managing the economy during a Pandemic. I did actually look. There were actually a few after the SARS epidemic (always after the fact) but mostly about how to measure the economic impact of the pandemic, not about how you got to manage the economy during a pandemic, the most crucial issue today.<<

Andy, you are probably right. But you have barely scratched the surface of economic policy research. One of my majors many years ago was economics, and I personally know and have known several very good academic economists. There are undoubtedly, I am confident, many papers and even probably symposia about such a subject. Probably based on past "crash" experiences and predictions. Of course there are also as many opinions about the correct answer as there are economists.

I don't think, other than in some socialist/fascist command economy, you can really "manage" an economy in a pandemic or any other crisis. What you can do is make policy decisions and affect existing rules, taxes, subsidies, regulations, trade barriers, etc. Changing these could have positive benefits. It is a myth (though common even in economics) that such huge groups of human behaviors in a national economy can be "managed" like tuning up a car.

Also, I am not in the habit of doing research, unpaid, for others to satisfy their curiosity. Though I have found that this is a tendency among some Unz commentators to believe that others should their own work for them, unbidden and unpaid. Why would you expect someone here to undertake a vast project for you, unpaid and unsolicited? Posing a question here doesn't make you or anyone else King of the World. Just a friendly observation.

So, you're an expert on the virus as well as the economy, and to think that you learned it all on CNN.

There is a third solution. You let people walk around in a full hazmat suit like the one Putin wore. Decontaminate before removing with alcohol.

This will a,,ow the economy to to continue at least partially while the virus burns itself out.