My general take is that explicit ethnonationalist signalling is a political dead end with Anglos. At least outside of Queensland and Ulster.

Unfortunate but nothing that needs to stop us from fighting elections. The blueprint is already there having been established by (candidate) Trump and Farage.

I wonder if Farage plans to contest the next UK general election with his new party.

Replies: @notanon, @Kent Nationalist

Any apartment in the nicer buildings of, West Kensington seems more expensive though.

The cheaper apartments there look like they are only in modernist buildings.

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Personally, I do not care at all about area, and do not care about living in cheap apartments in "dangerous" (although in West Europe this doesn't really exist) parts of any city.

Of course, from perspective of property price and investing people, then perception of crime is very relevant.

I grew up under the flight path so can block it out. Heathrow expansion won't hit the areas already experiencing noise pollution but large swathes of West London will get a nasty surprise if it ever does get built. I still don't think expansion will happen, Heathrow is just in the wrong place, but politicians are the only people dumb and corrupt enough to approve it.

The Heathrow 'flight path' noise in SW London is nothing. You can be walking in Richmond Park, with very little noise around and a plane flying directly overhead, and still barely hear it.

Cool.

Trying to remember what international incidents involving Muslims and the West happened between the Kosovo War (1999) and the Iraq Invasion (2003). Can't think of any.

Replies: @J.Ross

If all that was going on was a desire of a professor (perhaps one who realized that he was never going to make a big theoretical contribution to math anyway) to devote himself to teaching, this would have been a non-story.

But in Goins's view (perhaps hyped up even further by the Times reporter), Goins was the victim of white racism, of subtle microaggressions. Goins had good reason to doubt his own bona fides - his big attempt to prove an important conjecture had ended in failure. His promotion to full professor was more a result of his "extraordinary work with undergraduates, as well as the summer programs he organized for minority students" than with his lackluster research. He seems to spend a lot of his time now writing about black in math rather than DOING math. Let's be honest - if he was white or Asian, he wouldn't have gotten the job. As praiseworthy as undergrad teaching is, it's not the path to tenure at a research university. But, when the time came to look in the mirror and assess blame, it turned out that it was the white people's fault and not the result of his own shortcomings as a mathematician. This is a natural human tendency , noted as far back as Jesus's time (look not for the mote in your neighbor's eye but for the beam in your own). But Steve was right to call him out on his unwarranted claims of racism. All objective evidence points to the opposite - Goins has not been the victim of racism, not even subtle microracism. In fact quite the opposite - people would LOVE for a black man to succeed at the highest level of mathematics. But his cognitive dissonance causes him to see himself as a victim.

The same people do the same malpractice in Britain

https://www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals

Have a look through some of the names

Her politically incorrect response was that women are generally bored and unenthused by math.
 

The economics profession loses a lot of potentially great female and male contributors for this reason. Conversely, the profession is top-heavy with high-powered math weenies who aren't all that interested in real economic problems. (Alas I was one of those weenies... So I'm guilty, but at least I know what I'm talking about.)

Replies: @Anon

My wife the mathematician is generally bored and unenthused by economics. Her interest in it focuses mostly on how much money we make.

I note too, that she isn't very interested in things like physics either. Those things fascinate me more than her, even though I don't have near the math education she does.

A wall does nothing to stop rockets. Most of the Israeli walls are to stop terrorist infiltrators (not a problem that we have) but others (the fence at the Egyptian border) exist mainly to stop illegal immigrants from Africa.

Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @Trevor H.

It would probably be a lot more cost-effective and quicker to just enforce the law and hand out large fines and business license forfeitures for employers who can’t verify their employees are legally allowed to work.

Yes, it would probably be a lot more cost-effective and quicker, but apparently we're not allowed to do that either.

This is Judeocentric argumentation. I.e., "oh, that's the justification the Jews use for their wall so it would be a sufficient excuse for Whites if they had someone shooting rockets over the border but fortunately for the Jews they don't." There's a lot of this sort of just-so-story "logic" from Zionists and Jews but you'd think a Hindu would do his own thinking.

Fact is, Jews wouldn't approve of a US border wall if Mexicans were lobbing rockets. They'd be blaming Whitey.

Replies: @Trevor H.

Because twenty foot walls stop indirect fire rocket artillery so well.

There is an overlap with local culture (not religion) as well in some parts of Africa*.

Also, as you likely know, Western Africa (like Nigeria and Senegal) mostly follow the Maliki school which only holds female circumcision as recommended. The Shafi'i school is the one that considers it mandatory; which is why you will see the practice ubiquitous in non-African contexts like Indonesia and among the Kurds.

Useful map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Madhhab_Map3.png

Wa salaam.

*For instance, among the Xhosa people (who aren't generally Muslim), male circumcision is seen as a male right of passage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw-124t993c

Replies: @follyofwar, @Alfred

It's those bulb-heads in Somalia, Eritrea and Ethiopia. It's a bulb-headedism thing-- you wouldn't understand.

Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

https://www.newsghana.com.gh/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/female-genital-mutilation-1.jpg
Female Genital Mutilation in Ghana

perverted Rabbi performs bris ritual /circumcision
https://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/metzitzah-bpeh.jpeg

Cameroon produces giant basketball starz

"it was being driven by white European Christians whose offspring would be indistinguishable from the native British"

Just as Kenyans around Nairobi can tell at a glance which of the 25 tribes in the area someone belongs to, I'm finding that I can not only tell an Eastern European by sight about three times out of five, but I'm starting to distinguish the Lithuanians and Latvians from the Poles.

Replies: @anon

Don't believe you.

They are *STILL* coming, and in massive numbers.

What about all those Deliveroo and pizza delivery moped drivers who have literally mushroomed all over the place?

You seriously telling me that they are not recent subcon immigrants?

- Aside from the fact that they are adding precisely nothing of value to the British economy.

if there was an invasion\population replacement in the offing it was being driven by white European Christians whose offspring would be indistinguishable from the native British
 

Replies: @Anonymous

total U.K. spousal visas issued were 20,000 in 1996 and then went up to 25,000 in 1997. Up to 2004 they averaged 30,000 per year. That is not really a huge flood.
 

Replies: @Anonymous

According to the stats on MigrationWatch, total U.K. spousal visas issued were 20,000 in 1996 and then went up to 25,000 in 1997. Up to 2004 they averaged 30,000 per year. That is not really a huge flood.

30,000 per year is equivalent to about 150,000 per year in the US. That's about half of what *total* legal immigration to the US was in the 70s.

And that's 30,000 spousal visas to people breeding at far faster rates than the native British population. There are a lot of things you have to consider when thinking about immigration. The absolute number of immigrants is just one of them. Their share of the *breeding age* population is another. Their birthrate is another.

Replies: @Ali Choudhury

No.

Massive Pakistani/Bangladeshi immigration has never even moderated, let alone curtailed, these past 50 or so years.

Importing spouses/ so called 'family reunification' has seen to that.

Significantly, New Labour's very first legislative Act, on taking office in 1997, was to ease restrictions on spousal importation .

Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @JohnnyWalker123

The Conservative Party could have insisted upon immigration cuts when it won majority government in 2015, they no longer had the excuse of the LibDems. But Osborne refused, citing Toilet Paper Theory of economics, and the nebulous term of "community relations" which is just a euphemism for "anti-white racism" and "Third world revenge colonialism".

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/june2017/2017/05/george-osborne-mocks-theresa-mays-immigration-problem

The solution to the so-called "population problem" is staring them in the bloody face. Roll back feminism and provide incentives for the native middle class to have more children.

Solid answer - many Muslims themselves don’t know the nuance behind the difference of opinion. Plus, it’s really only the Hanafis (and Hanbalis, if I recall) that are obligated to attend the morning prayer. The Shafi’is and Malikis can technically sit it out if their boss is being a tightwad.

Wa salaam.

Replies: @Buzz Mohawk, @Alden

Thanks for clearing that up. If the sky is cloudy tomorrow morning and I can't see the sun, I think I'll stay in bed.

I know nothing of cricket, but the coach or manager or whatever the bossman the called should have "No, you won't." and told him to sit his pompous ass down and benched him for the rest of the match, maybe the season, even if into meant losses. That kind of selfish and arrogant behaviour has no place in sport, especially team sports.

Apparently, Imran Khan slept with a former Pakistani Prime Minister.

Benazeer Bhuto hooked up with Imran Khan back when he was a young man. She later became Pakistani's Prime Minister, then got assassinated.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/6053524/Biography-claims-Imran-Khan-and-Benazir-Bhutto-were-romantically-involved.html

Real life bed fellows!

Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

George H.W. Bush was indeed a great American president--for China.


At some level it really does come down to "the vision thing".

Bush was one of these WASPs, who while thoroughly a WASP through and through and feeling entitled to lead, seem to have no understanding that in fact America's success is a result of WASP genes+culture not some sort of "magic dirt" accident. Bush had drunk the post-war minoritarian Kool-Aid and couldn't figure out that there's a difference between "civil rights"--as in giving blacks a fair shake--and abandoning the Anglo/white dominance that made America great.

Earlier generations of WASPs, who had self-confidence in their race and culture, managed to be progressive and believe in things like eugenics and immigration control to maintain racial/cultural dominance.

Bush is essentially a demonstration that for whatever education and life experience, if you do not fundamentally "get" HBD … you actually understand nothing By HBD here, I don't mean the intricacies of every group's IQ scores, but the understanding that various difference peoples are in fact different--the result of eons of gene/culture interactions. And you can't just airdrop people from a different culture in and have them "work".

If Bush had just had that understanding and pride in his WASP heritage, he would have been a very different president. No 1991 immigration act debacle! He would have been working to mitigate the damage of the Simpson-Mazzoli amnesty--which probably wouldn't have happened because he would have lobbied Reagan against it. Stepped up immigration enforcement, aggressive deportation of illegals. No-NAFTA push. Trade protection from China--certainly no cheering China's rise and pushing free trade with them.

Unfortunately, Bush for all his all-around competence, was a boob who really didn't understand why the America his own ancestors had created was a great nation. Having such people as your nation's leader is a disaster.

Replies: @reiner Tor, @Dave Pinsen, @Achmed E. Newman, @S. Anonyia, @Diversity Heretic, @Chrisnonymous

The sheer amount of shadow debt outstanding is huge. 250 to 300% of GDP by some estimates.
 

The Cold War and threat of nuclear annihilation is gone
 

Chinese progress has been most impressive but the country is sitting on an enormous pile of private and SOE debt.. There has not been a country in recorded history that has accumulated debt at the rate China did post the 2008 crash.
 

Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @another fred, @Mark T

Yep. What this theory does in effect is absolve the right of the responsibility of trying to subvert and recapture the culture. "Nope, it's the non-whites, not our fault, we can't do nothing!" It's a self-destructive mentality.

Agreed. The diverse cohort can be barely counted upon to show up at the polls. This is a white affluent, feminine leaning thing. Can’t put this on minorities.

A prime example is the white American girl from wealthy suburban DC that was until recently the student body president at an English university. She sent out a tweet demanding a painting of white WW1 be taken down. Unlike in America, this evidently upset the Brits and her fellow students. She sheepishly apologized and resigned from her post. She may in fact leave the school.

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I doubt the Soviets cared about a Middle East skirmish. It is unlikely they thought the Israelis would have a chance against a serious European military.
 

It was basically a proof of concept to the Soviets. If Israel could use American-made weapons/technology to destroy Syria's Soviet-made air defenses, then America could presumably have destroyed the Soviet Union's air defenses had the need arisen. It wasn't so much that it Israel destroyed Syria's air defenses. It was that American-made weapons destroyed Soviet-made air defenses.

Replies: @Steve Sailer, @istevefan

Trump is out to save this country, from the new world order. Controlled buy the UN. The lib dems have fallen in as suckers. Obama was out to destroy this country, with the help of people like Hillary etc.

KmUnfortunately people don't always vote as I would like them to .
My point is that MPs should always be able to replace their leader by a simple vote on say a day's notice in a true parliamentary system ( ie non of these quasi presidential leadership conventions or convoluted voting procedures that you see in the UK and Canada )
Howard was party leader for over a decade .He had also previously been leader and had lost a leadership vote.And then later won the leadership a second time
Most countries are far too deferential to the Leader

Wasn't it because John Howard planned to step down and hand the leadership role to the Abbott? That's my recollection - and it was that other bloke first, whom Gillard stabbed in the back to take over as PM. Either way, there was never an election that featured Gillard vs Howard.

The EU is a necessity. Without it Europeans would never be able to compete because of lack of scale.
 

Replies: @Charles Pewitt

My experience in Ireland is deep rather than wide, but it’s been my impression that the people in the Republic have grown far less interested in the ultimate disposition of the North in the last twenty years. Does that not comport with your experience? I’m not trolling, I’m genuinely interested in what you have to say on the subject.

Replies: @Desiderius, @Irishman, @Matra

The Europhile claim that British desire for Brexit is motivated by nostalgia for empire is similar to the Euroskeptic claim that German support of the EU is motivated by nostalgia for the Third Reich. Both claims are false and dishonest.

Replies: @Cagey Beast

The EU is a necessity. Without it Europeans would never be able to compete because of lack of scale.
 

Replies: @Philip Owen

Thirdly, we know the British better than they know themselves.
 

We know that this whole Brexit nonsense is nothing more than nostalgia for empire and the status that came with it.
 

The EU is a necessity. Without it Europeans would never be able to compete because of lack of scale.
 

Brexit is a nation making a fool of itself.
 

The Euro has driven Greece into grave poverty, and has seriously harmed the economies of Cyprus, Spain, Portugal, and Italy. It is not impossible that one of these countries will decide to leave the EU in order to prosper.

Yet while Britain is the first country to leave (if Greenland and Algeria are not counted), the countries that still want to join the EU will be very hard to integrate, both economically and culturally: the Orthodox and Muslim countries of the Balkans; and Turkey, Ukraine and Georgia. It should be a cause for concern that some EU countries wish to encourage Ukrainian membership, at least in part because they want to "sock it" to the Russians.

Irish exports to the UK can be neatly divided into two categories, food-stuffs which, push come to shove can be exported anywhere
 

The EU is a necessity.
 

Also, pardon the irrelevance, but do the Irish still burn turf briquettes? Lovely things.

“Nationalism is not to be confused with patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved. By ‘patriotism’ I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive, both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.”
 

Replies: @Pericles

He was wrong. Nationalism is a belief that you should care first and foremost for you nation, that your nation should have a separate state. Charles De Gaulle is in fact often described as nationalist.

Simply, you should not define nationalism using the descriptions coming from the enemies of nationalism and/or people familiar only with some strains of nationalism.

Replies: @Dmitry

Fritz Fischer was fixated on Germany to an absurd degree (with all the other great powers only reacting to Germany's aggressive designs), imo his work can only be understood as a reaction to the Nazi experience. I find it bizarre that he's still cited today as if his work had settled the question for all time.
As for German war aims in WW1, there was no consistent programme for conquering a continental empire (let alone a racial empire up to the Urals as Hitler wanted). It's true that German elites got greedy at times when the war seemed to be going well and dreamed of annexations, and there were influential nationalist pressure groups who drew up all sorts of absurd wishlists about annexations in Europe and colonies in tropical Africa. But these things were constantly in flux. And when Germany was victorious in the east in 1917/18, there was no plan to annex these areas directly to the Reich; instead satellite states were set up there.
Germany was of course an imperialist power. But so were pretty much all the other combatants. I find the selective moralizing about this even after a century just bizarre.

It is the view taken by Fritz Fischer at the University of Hamburg, David Stevenson at the LSE, David Fromkin at Boston University and Sir Michael Howard at Oxford and Yale. Weltmacht oder Niedergang was firmly official German policy before 1914 and relaunched by Hitler in the 30s.
 

This book was published in 1920 and was the fruit of 14 years the author spent working in the Austro-Hungarian diplomatic service at the level of Consul General.

As such, it's a firsthand account of events leading up to WWI which is interesting as this reviewer hasn't seen it referred to in the current confusing debate. Revisionist author McMeekin says that the Russians and French were at fault, others say the Germans and Austro-Hungarians and still others say that Serbian radicals started it or everyone was "sleepwalking towards war" or perhaps railway timetables and mobilizations took on a life of their own.

Goricar pins the blame directly on Germany/ Austria-Hungary. Basically this alliance wanted war and Russia and France didn't, and he provides a good deal of first hand evidence:

He shows for instance that 30 years before WWI, the ideas of "Lebensraum (living space)" and the "Drang nach Osten (drive to the East)" were well established as where ideas of German racial superiority.

After Von Moltke's 1871 victory over the French he wanted a direct attack on Russia. A voluminous Pan-German literature supported these ideas with one example among many being Karl Jentsch's 1893 book, "Neither Communism nor Capitalism" saying, "The German colonists, spread over these wide areas, would be under the protection of the German Kaiser. In this manner, the whole European East, as well as Asia Minor, would form one mighty German Empire, a rampart for European culture against Russian and Mongol hordes, Germany becoming the Empire of empires."

Slavs (i.e. Russians, Poles, Slovenes, Slovaks, Czechs, Serbians, Ruthenes and Ukrainians) were constantly referred to as so-called inferior races and on P.86 he quotes from the address of German publicist Maximilian Harden to an audience which included the foreign minister, Count Berchtold and a dozen leading army generals, "Every war is justified, even against a small people, if it is for the purpose of guarding national prestige and if it brings advantage to your country."

Or Hugo Witte, the German consul in Mukden, Manchuria, replying to the author's question, "Why should Germany proceed aggressively against Russia?". Answer, "...that Russia has immense, undeveloped and uncultivated territories in her empire. These territories must be opened to human activity. ....Russia must be partitioned among Austria-Hungary, Germany, Sweden, Rumania, Turkey and Japan. .... We must give Russian such a blow that we may take away from her not only the Baltic provinces but also Petrograd, and make Finland independent or give it to Sweden. etc.

The obvious question is whether these bellicose words were matched by action and the answer is surely yes.

The Treaty of Berlin 1878 allowed the temporary occupation and administration of Bosnia-Herzegovina by Austria-Hungary under the suzerainty of the Sultan of Turkey, however on the 7th October 1908 the territory was formally annexed to Austria-Hungary, much to the consternation of neighbouring Serbia.

They logically assumed that they were next, and 6 months later they did in fact face an ultimatum from the Austro-Hungarian Council of Ministers requiring the "Unconditional recognition of the annexation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and renunciation of agitation against the Hapsburg monarchy" so under threat of invasion, Serbia accepted the terms on the 31st of March 1909.

The book doesn't say it, but from the Austro-Hungarian point of view, they were worried by the example of Serbian nationalism animating nationalist feeling among the many Slavonic peoples within the Empire, threatening its collapse (which eventually happened - but after WWI) or the idea of Pan-Slavism in general.

The German answer was seen in a pre-emptive strike against Serbia-Russia in a combined Austro-Hungarian and German action especially considering 1) the German view of the invincibility of its army 2) the perceived current weakness of Russian forces.

Goricar goes at some length into the cynical German-Austrian attempts to hide their strategy but the basic facts still remained. After the assassination of Grand Duke Ferdinand, Austria-Hungary didn't have to give an ultimatum to Serbia but they did. Germany didn't have to give the ultimatum unquestioned support but they did, and an international call for a Peace Conference was sidelined and ignored as they headed towards war.

 

Hitler's plans for Eastern Europe were very much in the mainstream of German thinking, reflected in the EU's approach to the Ukraine today.

I have seen Adam Tooze's The Deluge recommended, haven't read it yet myself.

Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

He takes the common view that the primarily culpable party was Germany which wanted its hands on White Russia in order to expand eastwards and become a genuine global superpower.
 

Replies: @Ali Choudhury

>le devil kraut
>written by anglo

Oh, le shawk!

He already had a Senate majority
 

Battle Cry of Freedom is an excellent book probably my favourite work of non-fiction.
 

The point is that the EU powers-that-be *MUST* have known that the relevant Greek 'Maastricht' criteria were fraudulent - the entire world at the time *KNEW* the statistics were fraudulent.

The Euro was and is an entirely political project. The eurocrats deliberately overlooked the fraud to get Greece in, for purely political reasons.

Yes, I understand your point, and it's valid to a degree.

That said, there have plenty of ethnic massacres since WWII on a massive scale. The Rwandian genocide comes to mind, and, of course, you had the Balkans. Let's not forget the Holodomor, which, admittedly, was slightly before the Jewish Holocaust.

So let's not act as though the Jewish Holocaust was such an outlier. It simply gets all of the press because Jews own and/or manage much of the media. Btw, it's understandable that Jews want this episode remembered. I would too if I was Jewish.

However, you hint at a point that I've made for year. Many Jews - and especially Jewish leaders - have a unique fear of gentile Whites. There is a belief that lurking behind every smiling gentile White face is a Nazi. Sure, Bob, seems like a nice guy and probably is, but he's just one good propaganda film away from putting me a camp in Ohio. It's why Jewish leaders want to flood gentile White countries with 3rd worlders. Jews can never be safe around gentile Whites, they believe.

From their perspective, gentile Whites are the only group capable and willing to organize and implement such a plan. Blacks and Muslims might be willing to carrying out such a plan, but, let's face it, they can't organize a luncheon much less a holocaust. NE Asians are capable but have no bad history with Jews.

It seems that a large segment of Jews - and, again, especially, Jewish leaders - will simply never trust gentile Whites and that is a major reason why this espisode will get some much play. This massacre will be used to show normie Jews that gentile Whites can't be trusted and to will lead to bring pressure on any group or platform that allows Whites to discuss issues of White identity. (You'll notice that Gab has been shut down.)

I wholeheartedly agree with you that I hope this doesn't lead to copy-cat killers, but I also hope that it doesn't lead Jewish leader to push even harder against my people. The shutting down of Gab shows that I'm too late in that latter hope.

Welcome to the Real World where things are being said and things happen.

Especially as the population density increases and the future does not seem too bountyful.

Your concerns are valid but the only peaceful way out of the current mess is more talk. The old arrangements were falling apart anyway, even before this massacre in Pittsburgh. Having the mass media play the role of the Ministry of Truth (with David Duke as their Emmanuel Goldstein) is no longer viable. There's going to be a lot of uncontrollable chatter about Jews and Jewish power, whether people welcome it or not.

One of the biggest reasons the chatter will continue is the apparently irrepressible desire Jewish journalists, politicians and celebrities have for saying they oppose policy X or Y "as a Jew". Those who favour policies X or Y can't help but resent an attempt to play this trump card.

I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
 

I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
 

Replies: @War for Blair Mountain, @Cagey Beast, @Lot, @Jefferson, @Iberiano, @Dissident, @ben tillman

So much concern trolling in this thread.

So much crying out in pain while striking.

Free speech is actually one of the antidotes to violence. When you forbid people to speak about an issue, their only response becomes violence. This individual in Pittsburgh didn't attack and kill all those senior citizens in that synagogue because he had free speech rights, he did it because he had a screw loose.

Free speech should never be limited or banned.

"the antisemitic commentary around here"

In the current context of an incoming speech crackdown, and a wide range of views that the Uncle Leos of the ADL would call antisemitic, you should be more specific about "around here" and "antisemitic."

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Even after yesterday, I do not change my view one whit that third world immigration to the West is the greatest threat to Jews and native Europeans generally. If we are going to push back on the First Amendment, it shouldn't be on political speech, it should be on religion, specifically by passing things like Burka Bans.

Replies: @Mr. Anon, @International Jew, @AKAHorace

A better argument, that takes account of recent history and that has understood Ron Unz's Pravda series, would hold precisely the opposite:

when free exercise of First Amendment rights are relegated to "tiny Unz" , if not, indeed, outright censored by ADL, Facebook, Youtube etc, it is totally predictable that someone will react explosively; that in a pitical system where power is way out of equilibrium, that person will be a disempowered kook (if not a manipulated patsy); and that the target will be a comparatively weak affiliate of the censoring group.

"The answer to offensive speech is MORE speech," but what is occurring is more censorship, when what is needed is MORE "tiny Unzes."

Anybody who has used toothpaste should understand this.

Jack D is a Boomer and is not made for our era, the Weimerican Century.

Sounds reasonable to me.

'I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?

We see the same phenomenon on Islamic forums. If you say that the West must be destroyed or the Jews must go often enough then some people are going to take it literally.'

Freedom has always had a cost. We could ban all cars capable of going more than five mph and sharply reduce the death toll from traffic accidents -- but we choose not to.

Enforcing draconian bars on freedom of speech might well reduce the number of incidents such as yesterday's attack. I still want to be free.

Playing coy will avail you exactly nothing.

If you’d have us take the side of those coming to shut down this forum and further curtail our God-given rights make your case like a man.

Replies: @Jack D

Welp, and here's the "We must make special rules to 'protect' Jews" contingent.

"I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?"


The Unz attracts as many mentally ill people as the Mariel boatlift to Miami did.

https://youtu.be/kZgE_sUrXFY

You ever been to a mental hospital? Yeah everytime I browse The Unz.

Anti-semitic talk of the more benign variety sort of plays a role as "noise" or a "foundation" which can lead to more serious actions unfortunately as we have seen yesterday.

For all the talk about Jews not being white, you have to realize that black nationalists sort of see Jews as the ultimate whites.

Unz is not especially convincing as a white nationalist, I'm afraid. He comes across more as a tired contrarian, perhaps he has a sense of noblesse oblige towards the white proletariat than and is trying to defang defamatory attacks against them. He does not come across as someone who is truly in his heart a hateful person.

To an extent, his crusade is noble, as there often is overstep in the demonization of the white proletariat. But there also is truth to the stereotype, as we saw yesterday, and Unz has gone too far in that direction, I'm afraid. There's still room to take a step back.

Consequentialism has to be the worst form of moral reasoning.

I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
 

I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
 

There's no question that the Internet has facilitated the spread of bad ideas, but it's also given good ideas more exposure. And there's no way to silence bad ideas, that doesn't end up being "worse than the disease".

iSteve is at once a purveyer of the worst ideas and of some of the best.

Thanks to my iSteve habit, I understand exactly where Robert Bowers was coming from. If there were no iSteve, I'd be scratching my head like everyone else.

Replies: @Jefferson

So your premise is that unstable violent crazies can be safe sane people. And all we have to do to achieve that is a little bit of not having the Constitution any more. And Thomas Friedman drooling blood about converting a European city to a stone age hole doesn't count because, of course, when we jettison the Constitution we're also jettisonning equal protection.

Replies: @Anonymous

Things hit a little close to home and some people are ready to start mutilating the First Amendment. Are we all a bunch of pussies? To live free you must be willing to live with some risk. It makes no sense to reduce your freedom because ten or twelve people among three-hundred-thirty million got shot at.

You are a smart man, so you cannot possibly be serious.

Have white men like us called for speech restrictions on the MSM, academia and political groups, against all the things they say that stir up hatred and violence against us? Have you ever seen us call for that here? No, you haven't. Instead, we argue against "hate speech" laws and the very concept.

Patrick Henry keeps coming back, shouting at us, "Give me liberty or give me death." Benjamin Franklin exhorts us not to give away freedom for security. Are you listening? Do you remember what those things mean?

Of course you do. With all due respect, relax.

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I used to think that the antisemitic commentary around here was relatively harmless and within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder – is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
 

Replies: @L Woods, @Jack D

As the ADL might so calmly put it when a Jew is a naughty boy: "this type of violence (or speech) is counterproductive".

However, you are unduly discounting the fact that the Jewish war of attrition on whites is carried out via political influence, wealth, and pressure that, at its root, was and is possible because they chose to wedge their way into multiple societies while refusing to integrate.

Their indirect acts of murder through political policy and influence completely eclipses any death toll through random terrorism, and yet eleven deaths would have you waive your rights to or avenues of free speech? Do you know who you are fighting, exactly?

The very intentional Jewish inflicted death toll on Americans during the USS Liberty incident, alone, is not yet nearly met with equal reprisal: if you want to get technical and start counting (not what I'm suggesting). And you wish to give up your free speech?

What benefit did American Whites gain from giving up 500k men in WWII? How about for giving up 500k men in the civil War? We gained a stronger war against us, is what.

You aren't meant for the reality of the political world, with all due respect.

… within American First Amendment traditions but now I wonder — is such talk dangerous because it may inspire less stable individuals to violent actions?
 

Clown projection?

Your reading comprehension is at about the level I would expect from someone of your ilk. My post was about the ingroup-outgroup double standards in the practice of usury (which, incidentally, was based on the Jewish religious Levitical law and the book of Deuteronomy, both of which were created long BEFORE the Jews migrated and started living in medieval Europe).

Hey dude, here's my recommendation to you: Go back to the South Asian Muslim shithole you came from. Try to work to improve your own people's living standards and pull them out from the mental, cultural, social Stone Age they're inhabiting. And most importantly - quit sucking up to Western globalists and Jews in the expectation that they'll let you immigrate to North America and get the goodies, be closer to Western women, etc. Remember your Palestinian Muslim brothers, and what the same characters are doing to them!

Replies: @Ali Choudhury

You might want to read up on the Holodomor. It was run by Jews and probably killed more people than the Holocaust but we don't hear much about that because as Lenin said it all comes down to who and whom

Replies: @Dissident

The generation that fought the war that ended the regime that committed the holocaust came back to this.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/crime/homicide-rate-1950-2014

Different things and magnitude, and doesn’t have much to do with immigration, but as long as we are talking about registering.

This non-Trump voting, anti-Semitic maniac isn’t particularly representative. Like most psychos, he’s kinda sui generics. Like Mr. Sayoc. Although at least the latter doesn’t seem like he wanted to hurt anyone.

Replies: @Ali Choudhury

Are you suggesting that all white gentiles share some blame for the Holocaust?

Replies: @Ali Choudhury

No ethnic cleansing in the USA? Detroit's white population went from 1.5 million to 0.05 million.

Replies: @Henry's Cat, @Ali Choudhury

Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc.

My ancestors on this side of the pond and cousins on the other side (in Great Britain) fought to stop that genocide.

But if white Americans are responsible simply because we happen to *look* like Germans then how about the Rwandan genocide, which killed at least a million people; or about any of the other countless massacres happening in Africa or other parts of the world right up to this day? How about the massively disproportionate violence being committed by blacks in comparison to whites in this country even today?

Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @anon

Muslim lying. They are the most dishonest vermin around.

'...Those attacks don’t particularly register since there has not been a historically recent event where blacks liquidated six million whites in death camps and mass executions etc...'

? The Holocaust was a matter of white people killing other white people they saw as different.

How would you distinguish that from what happened in Rwanda, or Biafra, or that goes on more or less continuously in the Congo?

The blacks rely less on organization and more on spontaneous action, but they acheive credible death tolls nevertheless. Did you have some sort of point?

Replies: @Ali Choudhury

Just give South Africa some more time to simmer.

Um, you do realize that it was Nazi Germans that carried out that atrocity, right?

You also realize that Americans fought those same Nazi Germans and liberated many camps, right?

In your mind, all gentile Whites are guilty of the sins committed by a relatively small number of gentile Whites 75 years ago in a distant land and must permanently atone for those sins. We are Sisyphus and our boulder the Jewish Holocaust (and, no, it is not "the" holocaust since their have been many).

I refuse to accept the guilt that you wish to place upon me, the guilt that you wish to use against me. I am no more responsible for the Jewish Holocaust than I am for this horrible attack. Both are heinous, both have nothing to do with me.

I will continue to criticize any group that seems to be acting in a way that harms my people. The guilt card is no longer in play. I do not want violence against members of that group, but I will not quietly allow the loss of my people and the world we created.

Replies: @Ali Choudhury

As always you're right Ali, let's have millions more victims before rushing to any hasty conclusions.

Ask the White French Haitians, oh yah, I forgot you can't the blacks exterminated them.

"Do we know if this guy saw Django?"

 

Yeah I don’t think you want racial crime rates being discussed. For every synagogue that gets shot up, how many innocent whites are shot by angry blacks? Or how many churches have been shot up by deranged atheists?

Replies: @Svigor, @Realist

Oy vey!

All of a piece.

maybe he was initially triggered by films like Django?

Taqiyyah, much? Just another South Asian Muslim cretin.

Replies: @Tyrion 2

Economic situations are analogous.

With Poland, there is no analogy. Poland has completely different situation economically and geopolitically. What is the main benefit and challenge to Poland's position? Challenge is outflow of working population to wealthy parts of the EU. Benefits - economic integration with wealthy neighbours like German, free-trade bloc and EU investment.

Like I said, without the Euro they could have easily regained competitiveness by devaluing their currencies. This is how they have done it in the past. Now they have only austerity and wage depression as an option. It will not work in Italy. Also, Spain has a higher unemployment rate than Italy at about 15%. The Euro Crisis is all about productivity, wages and prices. German productivity growth surged ahead of its wage growth (it was a political decision), thats how they gained competitiveness ahead of the South, which did the exact opposite. It creates problems, if you do this within a currency area.
But we will see how this business cycle will end for the Euro. I fear, it will not be pretty.

Re the US: Power is demonstrated by actions. The US is lately having problems to enforce its political will in the foreign policy arena. It surely looks like a decline in power.

Replies: @Ali Choudhury

Poland is part of the EU now, and will converge with EU general economic levels. Moreover, it was not part of the Soviet Union, and its economy structure and geopolitical situation, all probably quite different.

It's not a comparable economic or political situation to Russia, and economies are very uncoupled.

Russia's economic situation, is to be compared more closely with non-EU countries, oil-exporting countries, which are part of the post-Soviet space. This is Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan. The general economic parameters (GDP per capita and growth levels) for Kazakhstan and Russia, are almost the same now, and Azerbaijan is falling behind.

Replies: @Ali Choudhury

Is this supposed to be a troll post? The rate at which China is "stagnating" is faster, than the rate at which US is "surging". And Russia is (by European standards) "doing fine": 1.7% growth in 1H 2018.

Replies: @Thorfinnsson, @Ali Choudhury

I do not remember any major foreign policy success the US has had in the last decade. I mean outside its backyard. Any suggestion?

Even the Euro-poodles are barking up against the US on its Iran and Russia policy. North Stream II is being build. Still, no SWIFT sanctions against Iran.

Europes economic problems are another topic. But European economists from left to right agree that the situation is not sustainable. Italy and Greece were always corrupt and they were competitive on the world markets before the Euro (thanks to their own currencies). The Euro is a zero sum game. Germany gains only at the expense of the south. As soon as they try to force their austerity on Italy, it will be over.

Replies: @Ali Choudhury

My wife and I went to Mecca after our honeymoon for Umrah
 

I wouldn’t mind making a separate trip there if getting a tourism visa just for that is straightforward
 

If you come to Europe, I would really recommend a trip to Cordoba, Granada and Seville.
 

Replies: @Ali Choudhury, @Anon

America was in the midst of a civil war where both sides were too lazy to shoot each other

 

https://www.tes.com/tesv2/files/styles/news_article_ml_x2/public/news-images/tes090218_40_hero.jpg

Physiognomy is real.

This makes sense...every society takes into account other considerations (whether financial, security, etc.) when determining the limits of speech. Jonathan Peterson recently threatened to sue someone for libel for some nonsense they were spreading about him in the public.

Ali, you ever been to Madinah? Don't know if you've heard the recently remade classic by the Sabri Brothers (Tajdar-e-Haram) - it's got subtitles for those of you who can't understand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a18py61_F_w

Wa salaam.

Replies: @Ali Choudhury

Ah OK - good then. Hopefully that place can be kept isolated to religious tourism.

Though I do like the idea of people being able to see the remnants of Nabatean civilization and what not.

Wa salaam.

foreign investment and tourism
 

I look forward to the inevitable coup.
 

Replies: @Ali Choudhury

A little surprised Germany managed to avoid having Somali migration.
 

This is especially the case from any Hindus I’ve met from the South where Islam spread through the Indian Ocean network of Arab traders, Sufi-scholars from Yemen, etc. One of my co-workers is from there and is actually pretty positive on the Mughals and other rulers...of course, they never had to live under their rule, so there’s that.

Wa salaam.

Not sure partition was the best idea - I think the jury is still out on it. Despite appearances, VGupta is not representative of all Hindus - most Hindus I have come across and had conversations with are nowhere near as hostile and fairly friendly, seeing Muslims as part of India. Maybe they were all doing taqiyyah...

One of my hadith studies teachers (originally from India) put this out on his Twitter feed:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1050702488268144643

Wa salaam.

Replies: @Ali Choudhury