RSSSimple fact. The east and south of Ukraine wants to be with Russia. The west and north west wants to be with the EU. Let it be so. Split the country from east of Sumy to west of Odessa. We would all be so much better off.
It is a blanket statement. In some locations they do but there are all reasons to believe that a solid majority of them wants to be on Russian welfare while remaining decidedly Ukrainian. I do not know percentages but a would say 60-5% of those people in the East and South of Ukraine want just Russia's money not "to be with Russia". Most importantly, Russians' attitude changed, with majority not willing to see Ukraine in Russian "fold". Sadly, at some point Russia will have to deal with shithole of a country and Putin is laying down the groundwork for that.Replies: @Marshal Marlow
Simple fact. The east and south of Ukraine wants to be with Russia.
The Russians and Chinese will soon be way ahead in military affairs because the US MIC is so corrupt that its military budget is unaffordable. There is something very delicious about the USA being consumed by its own corrupt parasitism. Of course they have NOTHING to fear of a Chinese or Russian aggression, but they will have to take their boots off the necks of humanity.
You’d be best advised to see your psychiatrist often and take all the meds s/he prescribes.
As I have mentioned previously, “Essentially, meaning in a phonogram is derived from sounds. Change that sound, the meaning changes. Meaning in a logogram is derived from the visual form, with/without an equivalent sound. Change the sound, the meaning can still be retained.”
Chinese character inscriptions have been found in turtle shells dating back to the Shang dynasty (1766-1123 BC) proving the written language has existed for more than 3,000 years. So the lineage has not been broken. As aforesaid, the Chinese logogram allowed them to carry on the language in spite of change in pronunciation. This also recognises the capacity of the language to adapt to the different form of speeches as well as the ruling dialect of the day. As such, even if one day their spoken words would change to a Shanghainese dialect, their meaning remains.
However, for Vietnamese, changing from a logogram to a phonogram is a far greater change. Not just the script but the basis of meaning is now dependent solely on the spoken word. With variation over time and distance, the gulf widens.
Hence, comparatively speaking, Vietnamese has undergone a fundamental change far more extensively than Chinese. Basing your assertion on phonetic usage is simply resting on shaky ground.
Have you taken a look recently in the countries you mentioned? Any objective observer comparing the state of infrastructure in the USA and China will tell you whose is more developed. Or unless you are just a deluded triumphalist whose mindset is set 20 years ago.
You cant turn a donkey into a racing horse (unless you lower the bar obviously ) by pressure violence or family separation or nationalism.
Nations do concentrate on certain sports in line with tradition and skills. Why cant USA play cricket or Soccer well or badminton? Now Chinese are excelling in music . Unfortunately no marathon music event is on the list of Olympic events.
What is so praiseworthy about the animal -like hitting and head butting of the American Football ? How much do they get paid? How much do the advertisers contribute ? They even hold celebration of the military before the opening . The entire field smells of violence .
Lets compare USA to other country’s economic when the dollar ceases to be the world currency . Let the nation experience same inflation that India or Cuba would had they printed 50 trillions into economy from 2010 . Rest of the world pays for this privilege of stealing and looting by USA. Rest of the world pays taxation ( values of the labors in those countries go down and commodity prices go up and many other holes through which this printing operates ) and suffers inflation
So much of US’s gains are at the barrel of a gun cloaked into the linguistic garbage of freedom, trade,oiopenenss and innovation, that USA will possibly be seen in the same light by the future generations the way Hun,Mongols and Nazi are seen after USA’s dominance is toppled .
I think you missed the whole point of the phonogram versus the logogram. The Chinese language has retained its original forms of representation, which is using written strokes. And what you describe as change is actually evolution. Since it is a living language, you can’t expect the speakers to keep it static can you? Especially one with such a complex written system. An example is country: in traditional Chinese 國; simplified Chinese 国. Yet the pronunciation hasn’t changed. Even if spoken in Cantonese sound different (“kok”), the character is the same.
Regarding speech, it consists of two types of basic units: ‘Phonemes’ or units of sound, which are themselves meaningless, are combined into ‘morphemes’, which are meaningful units. ; so the phonemes /b/, /i/, /t/ form the word ‘bit’. Alphabetic scripts work the same way. In logographic script, e.g. Chinese, each character corresponds to an entire morpheme (usually a word). Can’t you see the difference?
Vietnamese has changed from a system where the characters have an individual meaning, to one where each character by itself has no meaning. Does ‘T’,’R’, ‘U’, ‘N’, ‘G’ each have any meaning or are they just to represent a sound? Only when you put them together do you have a meaning.
Vietnamese language has also changed through time and there are 3 period for Vietnamese language: Ancient Vietnamese to Middle Vietnamese to Modern Vietnamese. Modern Vietnamese , in a comparison to Middle Vietnamese, has changed in phonology. Also, did you know that before 10th century, old Vietnamese had 3 tones as compared to today’s 6 tones? And since tones are such an important factor for a tonal language, it bears to reason that a lot more changes have occurred since then. Perhaps you may be seeing only what you want to see?
Given that Vietnam has 3 main geographically distinct areas for dialects, will it also not stand to reason that pronunciation will also differ?
If it has changed, it can't be stated that it's the same. Chinese languages have changed in both characters and pronounciation, that's my point. And Madarin vs Cantonese pronounciation are clear signs of divergence, that the chinese change their language, heavily that it doesn't sound like ancient chinese anymore.
Since it is a living language, you can’t expect the speakers to keep it static can you?
T R U N G might not have individual meaning by themselves, but same for the chinese, if you take | out of 中, does the | have meaning on itself? The stroke is comparable to the abc.
Does ‘T’,’R’, ‘U’, ‘N’, ‘G’ each have any meaning or are they just to represent a sound? Only when you put them together do you have a meaning.
I did a little digging on that, it's just proving that the vietnamese language is an evolution of proto-Thai language, combined with additional tones from chinese, that's interesting, but it does show how ancient proto-Thai language does sound like vietnamese. Meaning yes, vietnamese language does change, but it's consistent with its ancient root.
And since tones are such an important factor for a tonal language, it bears to reason that a lot more changes have occurred since then. Perhaps you may be seeing only what you want to see?
Indeed, but the 3 dialects can be understood by each other if they speak slowly enough.
Given that Vietnam has 3 main geographically distinct areas for dialects, will it also not stand to reason that pronunciation will also differ?
If it has changed, it can't be stated that it's the same. Chinese languages have changed in both characters and pronounciation, that's my point. And Madarin vs Cantonese pronounciation are clear signs of divergence, that the chinese change their language, heavily that it doesn't sound like ancient chinese anymore.
Since it is a living language, you can’t expect the speakers to keep it static can you?
T R U N G might not have individual meaning by themselves, but same for the chinese, if you take | out of 中, does the | have meaning on itself? The stroke is comparable to the abc.
Does ‘T’,’R’, ‘U’, ‘N’, ‘G’ each have any meaning or are they just to represent a sound? Only when you put them together do you have a meaning.
I did a little digging on that, it's just proving that the vietnamese language is an evolution of proto-Thai language, combined with additional tones from chinese, that's interesting, but it does show how ancient proto-Thai language does sound like vietnamese. Meaning yes, vietnamese language does change, but it's consistent with its ancient root.
And since tones are such an important factor for a tonal language, it bears to reason that a lot more changes have occurred since then. Perhaps you may be seeing only what you want to see?
Indeed, but the 3 dialects can be understood by each other if they speak slowly enough.
Given that Vietnam has 3 main geographically distinct areas for dialects, will it also not stand to reason that pronunciation will also differ?
I think you miss the main point. A language is to convey meaning through speech (sounds) and / or writing (alphabet / ideograph). A language can based on a phonogram or a logogram. A phonogram has only one layer of meaning through sounds as each alphabet has no individual meaning. A logogram has 2 layers conveyed either through sounds and/or the ideograph.
The key point is that Vietnamese has changed from a logogram to a phonogram, thereby losing a significant layer of conveyance of meaning. Chinese on the other hand, since it has two layers, even when changing the sound of the words, the meaning has not changed.
T R U N G might not have individual meaning by themselves, but same for the chinese, if you take | out of 中, does the | have meaning on itself? The stroke is comparable to the abc.
No, Chinese doesn’t function the same way as an alphabet where you combine the individual letters to form a word. Ideographs have the basic radicals, and then there are sets of combinations.
For e.g. you have the basic strokes: | _ ‘ ; from there they can form 亡 (die), 口 (mouth), 月 (moon), 贝, 凡; each their own word. Yet the words above can combine to form another word – 赢 (victory)
Cantonese and Mandarin may have some similar words but for the most part are mutually not understandable. Even a simple phrase such as I want to eat sounds very different.
You are wrong on this actually, because Chữ Nôm at it core does not follow chinese grammar, they do not have different words that are pronounced the same, but are rather based on pronunciation
The key point is that Vietnamese has changed from a logogram to a phonogram, thereby losing a significant layer of conveyance of meaning.
In the same way, T R U can be combined into word that has meaning. Meanwhile basic stroke like | has no meaning, just like the individual alphabet. You are arguing against yourself here.
For e.g. you have the basic strokes: | _ ‘ ; from there they can form 亡 (die), 口 (mouth), 月 (moon), 贝, 凡; each their own word. Yet the words above can combine to form another word – 赢 (victory)
Exactly, which is unlike dialects in Vietnamese. Cantonese and Mandarin are different language, they just use the same characters (or sometimes not, as some of it is simplified), this is evidence of the chinese changing language.Replies: @vox4non
Cantonese and Mandarin may have some similar words but for the most part are mutually not understandable. Even a simple phrase such as I want to eat sounds very different.
You are wrong on this actually, because Chữ Nôm at it core does not follow chinese grammar, they do not have different words that are pronounced the same, but are rather based on pronunciation
The key point is that Vietnamese has changed from a logogram to a phonogram, thereby losing a significant layer of conveyance of meaning.
In the same way, T R U can be combined into word that has meaning. Meanwhile basic stroke like | has no meaning, just like the individual alphabet. You are arguing against yourself here.
For e.g. you have the basic strokes: | _ ‘ ; from there they can form 亡 (die), 口 (mouth), 月 (moon), 贝, 凡; each their own word. Yet the words above can combine to form another word – 赢 (victory)
Exactly, which is unlike dialects in Vietnamese. Cantonese and Mandarin are different language, they just use the same characters (or sometimes not, as some of it is simplified), this is evidence of the chinese changing language.Replies: @vox4non
Cantonese and Mandarin may have some similar words but for the most part are mutually not understandable. Even a simple phrase such as I want to eat sounds very different.
Let’s set some ground understanding about language.
1) All languages have a grammar which is a set of rules for generating logical communication. Native speakers of a language have internalised the rules of that language’s grammar.
2) Every language has a lexicon, or the sum total of all the words in that language.
3) Phonetics and phonemics are the study of individual units of sound.
4) Morphology is the study of words and other meaningful units of language.
5) Syntax is the study of sentences and phrases, and the rules of grammar that sentences obey.
6) Semantics is the study of sentence meaning.
7) pragmatics is the study of sentence meaning in context.
Just to emphasise again, I am calling out on your assertion that Mandarin Chinese is a different language as compared to the other Chinese languages like Cantonese. As comparison, Vietnamese has undergone a more transformative change since it has removed one layer of meaning.
Meanwhile basic stroke like | has no meaning, just like the individual alphabet. You are arguing against yourself here.
You either misunderstand or choose not to understand Chinese. The stroke “一” is also a character (meaning one or 1), and it can be both a cardinal or ordinal number. E.g. 一个人 (one man). Isn’t it just a basic stroke yet it has meaning. Your reasoning is reductio ad absurdum.
Even by your example, 𦊚方𪹚𣼽𠄩京凭鐄, apart from the 𦊚 and 𠄩; words such as 方 has a meaning regardless of pronunciation, meaning it can be understood regardless of region can it not? So therein lies the additional layer of information that a logogram has, and which Vietnamese has taken out changing from a logogram to a phonogram.
Mea culpa, I left out words in bold:
Cantonese and Mandarin may have some similar sounding words but for the most part are mutually not understandable when spoken. Even a simple phrase such as I want to eat sounds very different.
E.g. 我想吃 (Mandarin: Wo xiang chī); (Cantonese: Ngo xiong sek). However, if you showed the characters 我想吃 to either group (or for that matter to any other dialect group) they would understand what you want. As compared to Vietnamese, if I were to show the old Chữ Nôm writing to a young Vietnamese today, would he understand?
So far, you have only been banging on #3 which is the phonetics to assert that a language like Chinese has radically changed. Based on the 7 elements mentioned at the beginning, except for #3, Chinese has essentially remained the same (with some regional exceptions of course).
Again, let's discuss that, because Chữ Nôm as its core is about using sound of Han to mimic the sound of Vietnamese word, while borrowing a lot of Han words that Chữ Nôm doesn't have. It does not have follow chinese grammar nor inherent meaning, with examples as 𦊚 and 𠄩
Just to emphasise again, I am calling out on your assertion that Mandarin Chinese is a different language as compared to the other Chinese languages like Cantonese. As comparison, Vietnamese has undergone a more transformative change since it has removed one layer of meaning.
I'm talking about this stroke | but even if you say, some alphabet can be used to mean word too, such as the "ó" meaning Eagle in Vietnamese, it's a valid equivalence.
You either misunderstand or choose not to understand Chinese. The stroke “一” is also a character (meaning one or 1), and it can be both a cardinal or ordinal number. E.g. 一个人 (one man). Isn’t it just a basic stroke yet it has meaning. Your reasoning is reductio ad absurdum.
No, you have to understand chinese in the first place for that. I can also argue that anyone who studies vietnamese will know that "ó" means eagle, regardless of region.
words such as 方 has a meaning regardless of pronunciation, meaning it can be understood regardless of region can it not?
That's actually a good example of mandarin and cantonese being different languages, but sharing the same characters. I mean to this date, we have some french, and english words having different pronounciation yet still containing the same meaning (e.g. lion), yet french and english are still different language.
E.g. 我想吃 (Mandarin: Wo xiang chī); (Cantonese: Ngo xiong sek). However, if you showed the characters 我想吃 to either group (or for that matter to any other dialect group) they would understand what you want. As compared to Vietnamese, if I were to show the old Chữ Nôm writing to a young Vietnamese today, would he understand?
Except #3 determines how a language sounds, if you don't even know what a language sounds like, you wouldn't even be able to speak it.Replies: @Deep Thought, @vox4non
So far, you have only been banging on #3 which is the phonetics to assert that a language like Chinese has radically changed. Based on the 7 elements mentioned at the beginning, except for #3, Chinese has essentially remained the same (with some regional exceptions of course).
There are not really any possible optics worse than that, short of the Taliban hijacking an aircraft carrier.
I SO want to see that!
I can just see a turbaned Jack Sparrow at the helm, with a flotilla of American ships in hot pursuit…
FIFY. No charge.
I can just see a turbaned Jack Sparrow at the helm, with a flotilla of American ships in tow…
Coming up: the new Hollywood blockbuster on Afghanistan, “Bloodhawk Down”:
Tom Cruise (it’s always Tom Cruise) is Major Bloodhawk, a brave helicopter pilot evacuating Americans from the Kabul embassy. Suddenly he gets a call from his old mate Quislinguddin in Kandahar! A girl threatened with marriage to an Evil Talib Commander needs rescuing! Tom pilots his Chinook – against official orders – to Kandahar, uses the rotor blades to break open the Taliban commander’s dastardly fortified residence, fights off the entire Taliban contingent with the help of his trusty door gunner…played by the guy in Jurassic World…and rescues the girl! Unfortunately Quislinguddin is killed by the Taliban commander just as the helicopter lifts off. Tom weeps bitter tears over Quislinguddin’s corpse, but the girl lays a comforting hand on his shoulder. He looks up at her and smiles. End credits.
Oscar material, yo.
“Strategy without tactics is a long slog to victory, while tactics without strategy delays the inevitable defeat (attributed to Sun Tse) ” basically sums up the US’ experience in Afghanistan.
I commiserate with the wasted lives of soldiers sent on a fool’s errand, and the countless Afghan lives destroyed due to the mendacious Washington DC.
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“Strategy without tactics is a long slog to victory, while tactics without strategy delays the inevitable defeat (attributed to Sun Tse)
China may not be willing (unlike the US they cannot simply print up Fx) to pay for all that´s needed, but the roads alone will be a godsend.
The Chinese are good at building infrastructure. They built a new city for Angola in exchange for oil back in 2010. Kilamba has 750 apartment blocks from 5 to 13 floors, over 100 commercial premises, 17 schools and 24 daycare centers. In sharp contrast with other cities in Angola(and Africa in general), it is modern with beautiful roads, street lights, electricity and running water.
I learned about it from the book New Towns for Twenty-First Century written by two professors from UPenn. The book says that when Kilamba was first built, there was lots of talk from the West about it being the “ghost town built by China for Africa”. But by 2016, the town is 97% occupied with a waiting list of thousands more trying to buy in. The book says mention Kilamba to any Angolan these days and you will see the gleaming in their eyes. They asked the governor why it was called “ghost town by China”, and the governor said when the town was first completed and before they sold any apartment, CNN and BBC came in and did a story about the town and then never came back.
If you Google “Kilamba” and look at the pictures, you will see lots of them still with the caption, “Ghost town built by China in Africa”, giving the impression that remains the case today. We are so good at telling lies in this country, especially when it comes to disparaging other countries.
‘My prediction is, things are going to get much worse very soon. China is going to blitzkrieg Taiwan. They’ll never have a better opportunity. The bluff will be called. And the “full faith and credit” of the USD will flash evaporate.’
I suspect China would prefer to absorb Taiwan relatively gradually and peacefully — ala Hong Kong. In fact, they may well have handled Hong Kong with an eye to the effect it would have on the attitude of Taiwan. No big massacres…it won’t be so bad…we’re all Chinese…
So it’d be a matter of isolating Taiwan, of getting it to accept slowly increasing infringements on its sovereignty — and slowly digesting it. The stick will be there, but absent spectacular provocation on our part, it’ll never be used.
Again, let's discuss that, because Chữ Nôm as its core is about using sound of Han to mimic the sound of Vietnamese word, while borrowing a lot of Han words that Chữ Nôm doesn't have. It does not have follow chinese grammar nor inherent meaning, with examples as 𦊚 and 𠄩
Just to emphasise again, I am calling out on your assertion that Mandarin Chinese is a different language as compared to the other Chinese languages like Cantonese. As comparison, Vietnamese has undergone a more transformative change since it has removed one layer of meaning.
I'm talking about this stroke | but even if you say, some alphabet can be used to mean word too, such as the "ó" meaning Eagle in Vietnamese, it's a valid equivalence.
You either misunderstand or choose not to understand Chinese. The stroke “一” is also a character (meaning one or 1), and it can be both a cardinal or ordinal number. E.g. 一个人 (one man). Isn’t it just a basic stroke yet it has meaning. Your reasoning is reductio ad absurdum.
No, you have to understand chinese in the first place for that. I can also argue that anyone who studies vietnamese will know that "ó" means eagle, regardless of region.
words such as 方 has a meaning regardless of pronunciation, meaning it can be understood regardless of region can it not?
That's actually a good example of mandarin and cantonese being different languages, but sharing the same characters. I mean to this date, we have some french, and english words having different pronounciation yet still containing the same meaning (e.g. lion), yet french and english are still different language.
E.g. 我想吃 (Mandarin: Wo xiang chī); (Cantonese: Ngo xiong sek). However, if you showed the characters 我想吃 to either group (or for that matter to any other dialect group) they would understand what you want. As compared to Vietnamese, if I were to show the old Chữ Nôm writing to a young Vietnamese today, would he understand?
Except #3 determines how a language sounds, if you don't even know what a language sounds like, you wouldn't even be able to speak it.Replies: @Deep Thought, @vox4non
So far, you have only been banging on #3 which is the phonetics to assert that a language like Chinese has radically changed. Based on the 7 elements mentioned at the beginning, except for #3, Chinese has essentially remained the same (with some regional exceptions of course).
Again, you seem fixated only on one element to define a language.
I have been thinking about this, if they REALLY are dialects, then you should be at least mutually intelligible. For cantonese and mandarin, unless you write them down, they wouldn't be able to understand each other.
Again, from this list, how do you then categorise that based on sound/phonetics, Mandarin and Chinese are radically different? In fact, doesn’t different variations of the same word mean that they are dialects?
That again is wrong, I did a quick Googling on that:
Like I explained, Chinese lexicon and morphology (with a combination of self-contained and constructs) is not like the alphabet system of most Western language (where the alphabet by itself does not mean anything except when combined together to form words (except “a”). You are reaching.
As you said, depend on the person, some young vietnamese who study Chữ Nôm might understand, just like one young chinese who know the traditional script.
Again, as I said, if shown the old Chữ Nôm script to a young Vietnamese, would they understand?
In that sense, if you romanize the spoken chinese to alphabet, you would be able to write it as well, and thus also be able to transmit the information.
Writing as a medium helps transmit information over time and space better than the spoken word. And what medium are we using to discuss now?
I'd disagree here, as a person who loves speech and songs, the issue is that it is the spoken form that gives uniqueness to the language, NOT the characters.
Also, given the beginnings of the bureaucracy from Imperial China, wouldn’t it also make more sense that at its essence the written word is their primary vehicle, and the spoken their facilitator? Thus the language allows for the form (spoken) to change, yet the essence (written) remains.
How exactly?Replies: @vox4non
This exchange makes me wonder if you are interested in having a discussion, or merely to demonstrate how obtuse you are.
I have been thinking about this, if they REALLY are dialects, then you should be at least mutually intelligible. For cantonese and mandarin, unless you write them down, they wouldn't be able to understand each other.
Again, from this list, how do you then categorise that based on sound/phonetics, Mandarin and Chinese are radically different? In fact, doesn’t different variations of the same word mean that they are dialects?
That again is wrong, I did a quick Googling on that:
Like I explained, Chinese lexicon and morphology (with a combination of self-contained and constructs) is not like the alphabet system of most Western language (where the alphabet by itself does not mean anything except when combined together to form words (except “a”). You are reaching.
As you said, depend on the person, some young vietnamese who study Chữ Nôm might understand, just like one young chinese who know the traditional script.
Again, as I said, if shown the old Chữ Nôm script to a young Vietnamese, would they understand?
In that sense, if you romanize the spoken chinese to alphabet, you would be able to write it as well, and thus also be able to transmit the information.
Writing as a medium helps transmit information over time and space better than the spoken word. And what medium are we using to discuss now?
I'd disagree here, as a person who loves speech and songs, the issue is that it is the spoken form that gives uniqueness to the language, NOT the characters.
Also, given the beginnings of the bureaucracy from Imperial China, wouldn’t it also make more sense that at its essence the written word is their primary vehicle, and the spoken their facilitator? Thus the language allows for the form (spoken) to change, yet the essence (written) remains.
How exactly?Replies: @vox4non
This exchange makes me wonder if you are interested in having a discussion, or merely to demonstrate how obtuse you are.
My earlier example:
Well, you can see the meaning of “e” even in Spanish and Italian, so no, that doesn't hold. The reason is because they all take inspiration from classical Latin.
I did say “most Western languages”which would generally mean those of the Western European ones like English, French, German, Spanish, Portuguese.
Why would that matter? To this day, I see that some zoomer chinese can't even write some of the harder word, let alone the traditional script.
And how many study Chữ Nôm, as versus the general understanding of the young Chinese recognising traditional script to its simpler derivative the simplified Chi-nese?
Yeah, and? Unless you specifically study chinese, those logogram would be meaningless to you.
The meaning in the logogram would be lost.
That would be solved by having context of the whole phrase, even chinese can't accept escape the two cases of similar sounding words (Cao Cao) and similar written words (已 / 己).
In addition, having homonyms (similar sounding words) can be confusing like the word deer and dear; or three and tree in the English language. And what about homo-phones (share the same pronunciation but not the same spelling) like write and right, or knight and night?
You actually CAN pronoun computer language, because computer language is written so programmer can communicate with the computer AND other progammers can understand him.
Therein lies your fundamental anchor and inability to see beyond what you hold dear. Since you are convinced yourself that the spoken form is the main form of a language, you cannot conceive of the idea that a language can lie beyond your senses. What about com-puter languages? These have no spoken pronunciations yet they run and operate the world through computers.
That's actually a good example, it means it doesn't matter how it's written, it still means the same thing, which is the reason I'm having this debate that the way to write does not neces-sarily change the language.
That’s not a good example. A name in any system would still retain the phonetic notes of the name, wouldn’t it? Nikola Tesla 尼古拉 特斯拉(Ní gǔ lā tè sī lā) is written as Никола Тесла in Cyrillic, yet still pronounced as Nikola Tesla.
This is the same in VNese too but that's the case where the object can be translated. When it can't, it will just follow the transliteration, like 馬達 (Motor). In that case, the phonetics is what matters, not the drawing.
The object is not merely translated phonetically like a name but instead, its meaning is determined in its logograms.
Maybe, but without phonetics, language wouldn't simply be. Imagine if you start writing Eng-lish via chinese characters, would it be chinese anymore? Nope.Replies: @vox4non
Again, back to the 7 elements of language. Yet, all you have shown is your lim-ited comprehension and rigid view that the phonetics alone determine a lan-guage.
I understand you hate America, but that doesn’t change the fact that the US was able to occupy and control Afghanistan for 20 years with relatively few casualties.
That’s pure B.S. The U.S. never controlled Afghanistan. You don’t control a country and then have to lave it in the meddle of the night without telling anyone or even leaving a “I’ll call you note”. The fact is that Amerrica never controlled even a patch of land in Afghanistan, the country was controlled by local warlords for all of the time and Amerrica had to deal with them to keep[ the pretense it was the occupying power. You don’t control a country if you lose your grip on in in less than a week without even giving a fight.
Your “we controlled Afghanistan for 20 years” reminds me of Von Ribbentrop’s statement when he was meeting Molotov in Berlin and they had to take cover in an air raid shelter because the alert was given that RAF bombers were on their way. He tried to reassure the Soviet Foreign Relations Minister that Great Britain was already beaten to which Molotov acidly answered “if they are beaten, when what are we doing in this shelter…?” If America controlled Afghanistan what are they doing huddled up and shaking in fear in the airport waiting for plane to rescue them…?
Well, you can see the meaning of “e” even in Spanish and Italian, so no, that doesn't hold. The reason is because they all take inspiration from classical Latin.
I did say “most Western languages”which would generally mean those of the Western European ones like English, French, German, Spanish, Portuguese.
Why would that matter? To this day, I see that some zoomer chinese can't even write some of the harder word, let alone the traditional script.
And how many study Chữ Nôm, as versus the general understanding of the young Chinese recognising traditional script to its simpler derivative the simplified Chi-nese?
Yeah, and? Unless you specifically study chinese, those logogram would be meaningless to you.
The meaning in the logogram would be lost.
That would be solved by having context of the whole phrase, even chinese can't accept escape the two cases of similar sounding words (Cao Cao) and similar written words (已 / 己).
In addition, having homonyms (similar sounding words) can be confusing like the word deer and dear; or three and tree in the English language. And what about homo-phones (share the same pronunciation but not the same spelling) like write and right, or knight and night?
You actually CAN pronoun computer language, because computer language is written so programmer can communicate with the computer AND other progammers can understand him.
Therein lies your fundamental anchor and inability to see beyond what you hold dear. Since you are convinced yourself that the spoken form is the main form of a language, you cannot conceive of the idea that a language can lie beyond your senses. What about com-puter languages? These have no spoken pronunciations yet they run and operate the world through computers.
That's actually a good example, it means it doesn't matter how it's written, it still means the same thing, which is the reason I'm having this debate that the way to write does not neces-sarily change the language.
That’s not a good example. A name in any system would still retain the phonetic notes of the name, wouldn’t it? Nikola Tesla 尼古拉 特斯拉(Ní gǔ lā tè sī lā) is written as Никола Тесла in Cyrillic, yet still pronounced as Nikola Tesla.
This is the same in VNese too but that's the case where the object can be translated. When it can't, it will just follow the transliteration, like 馬達 (Motor). In that case, the phonetics is what matters, not the drawing.
The object is not merely translated phonetically like a name but instead, its meaning is determined in its logograms.
Maybe, but without phonetics, language wouldn't simply be. Imagine if you start writing Eng-lish via chinese characters, would it be chinese anymore? Nope.Replies: @vox4non
Again, back to the 7 elements of language. Yet, all you have shown is your lim-ited comprehension and rigid view that the phonetics alone determine a lan-guage.
Yeah, and? Unless you specifically study chinese, those logogram would be meaningless to you.
You are still so clueless. What is the purpose of communication (either verbally or written)? It is to communicate meaning. What the collection of sounds or strokes means, separates it from just a cacophony of noises or a bunch of scribbles, is that it has definitive meaning thus reason. So those logograms have meaning in Chinese because they are part of the language. They go hand in hand with the spoken.
That would be solved by having context of the whole phrase, even chinese can’t accept escape the two cases of similar sounding words (Cao Cao) and similar written words (已 / 己)
While I am no master of Chinese, I suspect your superficial and dismal understanding of it leads you to erroneous proclamations. A check would reveal that Chinese words in different tones mean different things, as in 操 cāo (exercise) ; 糙 cāo (badly) ; 槽 cáo (channel); 草 cǎo (grass). Even when words sound alike, as in the first 2 examples, the written words are different. And for the famous warlord Cao Cao whose name sounds repititive, when written out it becomes clear: 曹操 cǎo cáo. Even for similar written words, 已 (Yǐ) 己 (jǐ), its pronunciation is different. In this respect, Chinese has its logograms to differentiate homonyms.
A phonetic based language has problems with homographs (words that share the same spelling, regardless of pronunciation) like row (propel with oars), row (argument) and row (a linear arrangement) and homophones (words that share the same pronunciation, regardless of spelling) like see and sea. The latter can be alleviated by spelling it out while the latter can only be resolved by context. This is what I meant when a phonogram has less data than a logogram.
You actually CAN pronoun computer language, because computer language is written so programmer can communicate with the computer AND other progammers can understand him.
Oh my god. I almost fell off my chair. On a day to day basis programmers share code and don’t talk to each other like this:
Exactly, so unless you have known chinese, these logograms have exactly no meaning to you. Then what’s the point? You would have a point if these chinese characters are inherently meaningful/intuitive for communication, but they are not, you still have to learn and memo-rize them.
You are still so clueless. What is the purpose of communication (either verbally or written)? It is to communicate meaning. What the collection of sounds or strokes means, separates it from just a cacophony of noises or a bunch of scribbles, is that it has definitive meaning thus reason. So those logograms have meaning in Chinese because they are part of the language.
Except that’s my point, even chinese as a cannot escape homonym, just like your deer vs. dear example. Now let's deal with homograph.
Even when words sound alike, as in the first 2 examples, the written words are different. And for the famous warlord Cao Cao whose name sounds repititive, when written out it becomes clear: 曹操 cǎo cáo. Even for similar written words, 已 (Yǐ) 己 (jǐ), its pronun-ciation is different. In this respect, Chinese has its logograms to differentiate homonyms.
Except that is the same as chinese, it has homographs as well, if I just random say 王 (wang) do you know I actually mean the king, to rule or somebody’s surname? Hmm? Both sound and context are the same. Without context, even chinese wouldn’t escape confusion.
A phonetic based language has problems with homographs (words that share the same spelling, regardless of pronunciation) like row (propel with oars), row (argument) and row (a linear arrangement) and homophones (words that share the same pronunciation, regardless of spelling) like see and sea. The latter can be alleviated by spelling it out while the latter can only be resolved by context. This is what I meant when a phonogram has less data than a logogram.
But is the above pronounceable? Yes, it is.
Oh my god. I almost fell off my chair. On a day to day basis programmers share code and don’t talk to each other like this:
1: SELECT Person.first_name, Person.age FROM PERSON
2: INNER JOIN PersonClass on Person.ID = PersonClass.fk_person AND Per-sonClass.fk_class = 12345
So you even admit that they do talk in programming language, Jesus, I just write the above line for nothing.
—> Note: The programmers normally type this all in, and when discussing this, they address to the lines and code; not speak out entire lines.
Uh, that’s exactly how Chữ Nôm use chinese characters too, using the closest sounding word to it.
In the same application, for a country’s or city’s name, Chinese would apply the closest sounding word to it, when encountering it the first time. For e.g., London is 伦敦 Lúndūn.
But that is the same for every language, a noun carries the meaning of language, that’s why transliteration is possible in the first place. And no 馬達 is used commonly in China, and it’s even in the dictionary. Language is not meant just for the upper class.
However, in Chinese, it is the meaning of the object, noun that is to be trans-mitted, hence it is not a simple transliteration. So, the logograms do matter for a language like Chinese. Not sure why you picked up those examples (motor is 发动机), or unless you are using vulgar vernacular which simply picks up and approximate. Surely you are not equating this to proper speech, are you? It’s like comparing Ebonics to the Queen’s English.
They use sign language i.e. handsign, or shapes, the deaf can barely understand written words. And again, the deaf is a minority of the population. But I do accept this weak point.
(Well, what about sign language? Or those who were born deaf? How do they communicate then?)
Oh my god, that is my entire point, you said Vietnamese is inherently changed when it switches from Chữ Nôm to Chữ Quốc Ngữ while I have said the entire thread that it is not changed because the grammar nor pronunciation does not change, just the way to write them. You just contradict considering you admit even if you write English in chinese characters, it wouldn’t change English.
Regarding your statement above, it is non sequitur. You mean using Chinese characters to phonetically write English? You could, but wouldn’t you be still observing English grammar, syntax and language construction (Subject Verb Object)? In that case, you would be simply putting on a new skin but it is still the same animal.
Easy, most dialects are verbally mutually intelligible for different regions, just sharing some different pronunciations. Cantonese and Mandarin aren’t even mutually intelligible verbally, you literally have to write down in order to understand them.
Again, I draw reference to the 7 elements of a language and ask of you to validate your original assertion that Cantonese and Mandarin are 2 different languages. Unless you can’t expand your mind to accept that languages have more varieties and forms than you can appreciate.
Exactly, so unless you have known chinese, these logograms have exactly no meaning to you. Then what’s the point? You would have a point if these chinese characters are inherently meaningful/intuitive for communication, but they are not, you still have to learn and memo-rize them.
You are still so clueless. What is the purpose of communication (either verbally or written)? It is to communicate meaning. What the collection of sounds or strokes means, separates it from just a cacophony of noises or a bunch of scribbles, is that it has definitive meaning thus reason. So those logograms have meaning in Chinese because they are part of the language.
Except that’s my point, even chinese as a cannot escape homonym, just like your deer vs. dear example. Now let's deal with homograph.
Even when words sound alike, as in the first 2 examples, the written words are different. And for the famous warlord Cao Cao whose name sounds repititive, when written out it becomes clear: 曹操 cǎo cáo. Even for similar written words, 已 (Yǐ) 己 (jǐ), its pronun-ciation is different. In this respect, Chinese has its logograms to differentiate homonyms.
Except that is the same as chinese, it has homographs as well, if I just random say 王 (wang) do you know I actually mean the king, to rule or somebody’s surname? Hmm? Both sound and context are the same. Without context, even chinese wouldn’t escape confusion.
A phonetic based language has problems with homographs (words that share the same spelling, regardless of pronunciation) like row (propel with oars), row (argument) and row (a linear arrangement) and homophones (words that share the same pronunciation, regardless of spelling) like see and sea. The latter can be alleviated by spelling it out while the latter can only be resolved by context. This is what I meant when a phonogram has less data than a logogram.
But is the above pronounceable? Yes, it is.
Oh my god. I almost fell off my chair. On a day to day basis programmers share code and don’t talk to each other like this:
1: SELECT Person.first_name, Person.age FROM PERSON
2: INNER JOIN PersonClass on Person.ID = PersonClass.fk_person AND Per-sonClass.fk_class = 12345
So you even admit that they do talk in programming language, Jesus, I just write the above line for nothing.
—> Note: The programmers normally type this all in, and when discussing this, they address to the lines and code; not speak out entire lines.
Uh, that’s exactly how Chữ Nôm use chinese characters too, using the closest sounding word to it.
In the same application, for a country’s or city’s name, Chinese would apply the closest sounding word to it, when encountering it the first time. For e.g., London is 伦敦 Lúndūn.
But that is the same for every language, a noun carries the meaning of language, that’s why transliteration is possible in the first place. And no 馬達 is used commonly in China, and it’s even in the dictionary. Language is not meant just for the upper class.
However, in Chinese, it is the meaning of the object, noun that is to be trans-mitted, hence it is not a simple transliteration. So, the logograms do matter for a language like Chinese. Not sure why you picked up those examples (motor is 发动机), or unless you are using vulgar vernacular which simply picks up and approximate. Surely you are not equating this to proper speech, are you? It’s like comparing Ebonics to the Queen’s English.
They use sign language i.e. handsign, or shapes, the deaf can barely understand written words. And again, the deaf is a minority of the population. But I do accept this weak point.
(Well, what about sign language? Or those who were born deaf? How do they communicate then?)
Oh my god, that is my entire point, you said Vietnamese is inherently changed when it switches from Chữ Nôm to Chữ Quốc Ngữ while I have said the entire thread that it is not changed because the grammar nor pronunciation does not change, just the way to write them. You just contradict considering you admit even if you write English in chinese characters, it wouldn’t change English.
Regarding your statement above, it is non sequitur. You mean using Chinese characters to phonetically write English? You could, but wouldn’t you be still observing English grammar, syntax and language construction (Subject Verb Object)? In that case, you would be simply putting on a new skin but it is still the same animal.
Easy, most dialects are verbally mutually intelligible for different regions, just sharing some different pronunciations. Cantonese and Mandarin aren’t even mutually intelligible verbally, you literally have to write down in order to understand them.
Again, I draw reference to the 7 elements of a language and ask of you to validate your original assertion that Cantonese and Mandarin are 2 different languages. Unless you can’t expand your mind to accept that languages have more varieties and forms than you can appreciate.
Exactly, so unless you have known chinese, these logograms have exactly no meaning to you. Then what’s the point? You would have a point if these chinese characters are inherently meaningful/intuitive for communication, but they are not, you still have to learn and memo-rize them.
And do tell, in order to write words or pronounce them, don’t you have to memorise them in the first place? Isn’t memorising the lexicon and syntax part of the process of learning a language? With differing levels of complexity for different languages? (For native learners of phonogram languages like English, another alphabet based language is of course easier as compared to a logogram based language like Chinese).
Except that’s my point, even chinese as a cannot escape homonym, just like your deer vs. dear example. Now let’s deal with homograph.
Except you miss my point that a logogram resolves this with its words/characters which convey meaning. And that a phonogram language has problems with homographs.
That is the problem, no? Chinese characters are not intuitive nor memorable than alphabet, thus thus its advantages (loxogram) are not so apparent since both kinds of languages do have similar shortfalls, yet chinese are much more harder to learn, compared to Chữ Quốc Ngữ. Language should remain accessible, not obstuse.
And do tell, in order to write words or pronounce them, don’t you have to memorise them in the first place? Isn’t memorising the lexicon and syntax part of the process of learning a language? With differing levels of complexity for different languages? (For native learners of phonogram languages like English, another alphabet based language is of course easier as compared to a logogram based language like Chinese).
Except that it’s my point tho, even chinese logogram can’t escape homograph, which is the point of 王 that I made, without context, you still don’t understand what the writer/speaker means if they just write/spoke one word, exactly as the “row” issue in English.
Except you miss my point that a logogram resolves this with its words/characters which convey meaning. And that a phonogram language has problems with homographs.
That’s quite incorrect, no? If you are a chinese teacher calling his student or a friend calling another friend, he can just say 王! Without context, who know what it means? Also, 王 also means to Rule in older chinese, as example in the idiom: 不以王天下為己處顯
That’s not quite how that word is used. 王 on its own means King, for a person you use 王先生 = Mister Wang; or 阿王 (āwáng) or 老王 (Lǎo wáng) = informal/familial ad-dressing of a person surnamed Wang. To rule is 统治 (Tǒngzhì). Seriously, did you ever attend a proper Chinese class or just haphazardly make them up in your mind?
That’s how slangs are formed, but it doesn’t change that computer language are perfectly pronounceable and the programmers do use them (even as slangs) in order to transfer their coding idea. You simply got caught into this one, very badly.
Do you they say, "char pass open bracket twenty close bracket, ePass open bracket twenty close bracket semi-colon" or more likely, "update char pass and ePass to twenty"? Or can you imagine them speaking the entire sample? Is cout or cin even a proper English word or specific words to that language?
So, no, they don't speak in programming language anymore than someone who uses Latin phrases, quod erat demonstrandum, is speaking Latin.
Except again, there are cases where chinese use transliteration for objects as well, again as I said, with the word 馬達, these are not “vulgar”, not at all.
. For objects or concepts, they use the meaning of the words, and I did mention
It is simply a formality issue, if I say 馬達, chinese will understand what I mean, regardless of what you think it is improper or not. Meanwhiles, ebon-ics are not understandable for some English speakers (like me).
It is not about class, it is simply about proper language use. You seem to be confused between formal and informal language.
How? Vietnamese as its beginning is not a written language, it just uses chinese word to vo-calize its word, just like how you can romanize chinese word. The vocal part remains the same for thousands of year, if you say “lúa” to Hán Nôm speaker, they would still understand it means rice, or “cha” or “mẹ”.
You fail to understand that when Vietnamese changed from Chữ Nôm to Chữ Quốc Ngữ, Vietnamese had changed from being based off both the written and the spoken.
How exactly? If I say the word 沒 (một), where is the logogram meaning?
So an additional layer of data from the logograms have been taken away.
There’s a contradiction in your example because Vietnamese is a phonogram language too, not a loxogram language, it just uses chinese characters to vocalize the words, never mind the meaning of the actual chinese word it uses, like 沒 (một). In short, when you admit English wouldn’t change when it uses chinese character, but you don’t apply the same logic for Vi-etnamese, you already contradict yourself.
In the example of the English using Chinese characters, since English is primar-ily a phonogram, using the script of another language bears no impact. In fact, it has added an additional layer should it so wish to use. Where is the contradiction in my exam-ple?
I’m amazed that you constantly dance around the point when it’s right ahead of you.
I am constantly amazed at how you can parse one limb off and use it to describe another organism. Are you like the blind men describing the elephant?
That's wrong tho, my point was that I do not consider them dialects because they aren’t verbally mutually intelligible UNLIKE most dia-lects. And precisely due to that, me think they are rather different languages, just written the same way (and even then there’s exception since they aren’t grammatically the same either).
Therein, you contradict yourself now when you have been maintaining that Cantonese and Mandarin are different languages yet now they are dialects?
Sadly, I don’t believe we will ever know the truth.
There will be the official version, and the unofficial versions. Buried somewhere in between will be the truth.
I must admit in the immediate aftermath, I believed what the MSM was putting out. However, upon closer readings of the buildings’ sudden collapse and the Pentagon attack, I began to have my doubts.
Would you ever really know what happened?
It does not have to be this way, of course. China is defending itself not only by the productive industrial and agricultural economy its socialist government has sponsored, but by a guiding concept of how economies work. China’s economic managers have the classical concepts of value, price and economic rent, that distinguish earned from unearned income, and productive labor and wealth from unproductive and predatory financial and rentier fortunes.
Yes, plus China’s seeming commitment to meritocracy, will make it the number one nation on the planet…soon.
Excellent article.
Seconded.Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir, @JimDandy
Excellent article.
So Blackstone is the owner of China
Actually . . . NO.
To China, Blackstone is just another investor. Investors bring in money. Chinese really love money, so Blackstone is welcome. But the control is always in Chinese hands.
In China, Chinese are ALWAYS in control. Outsiders can make money, A LOT of money. But money in China brings no power. This has historically been frustrating for outsiders who want to control things in China.
In fact, so frustrating that the only solution for outsiders (British, French, Germans, imperial Russians, Americans, Japanese) is open warfare – because bribing, shaming, converting, or even marrying Chinese simply never works.
But China is now back to its usual position in human history – extremely powerful and probably soon (not quite yet) at the top.
War against China? This is suicide for anybody. Because not only is China in fact the largest economy, and growing fast, and not only is China a very cohesive tribe with a very strong state; they also spend so very little on defense (barely 2% of their GDP), and yet the U.S., NATO and Japan are already VERY hesitant to attack. China also has powerful friends – Russia, for one.
If a relaxed China is not threatened by a tense collective West, who do you think will be standing after 100 or 200 years of a Cold War? The intense pressure is not on China to attack first, it’s on the collective West.
“We” (I don’t support my government) must strike very soon to have any chance. In fact, even now, I think IF the West attacks, we will only reveal how powerful China really is. If the West doesn’t attack, China will just sit back, and grow.
Even if the entire collective West unites (which it will not – Europe is already starting to distance itself from the U.S.), it cannot strong-arm China at this point.
Are you sure?You will not see China initiating any military attack, like dimwitted Mricans elite think, but they will win by the economic dominance. USA squandered their economic dominance, because the post-war European brain is dying out and replaced by a generation of violence and drugs. One of that generation is even walking in the WH hallways - not Joe but his son.
marrying Chinese simply never works
Joe Wong stated that only jobs at home (in the migrants’ home countries)—and I would add, genuine political reforms and cessation of first world meddling in “developing” nations will stop migrants from heading to first world countries by the thousands. A few will always want to come, but this is different.
What’s to disagree with there?
Shame there’s nobody with vision there to develop a bri of their own from America all the way down to Argentina.
What do you think the American Empire has been doing in Central and South America since the 50’s….they have been trying to build just that. The reason it has not worked is because the American version requires ALL countries be subservient. No country can have Autonomy or Sovereignty. In other words, Washington and Wall Street decide what is best for each country. Are you really surprised this can run into roadblocks?
The Chinese BRI encourages each country to have Autonomy and Sovereignty. There is no interference from Beijing what so ever. All deals are based on win/win otherwise there is no deal. No military or economic coercion is ever required. Stark difference from the US model.
“The world should be worrying about China’s weakness not its strength.”
i.e. “The Coming Collapse of China”, version 385.
I really cannot understand why the blacks are handled with such kid gloves in the USA. Or for that matter, the radical Muz in Europe either. Perhaps they are under the direction of another group?
We should pick a few pointers from the Far East in controlling them.
Yet by their very actions, they proved what others are saying about them.
I don’t think there is a plan to launch a war against China anytime soon, certainly not under the Biden administration. The Australian submarine deal can hardly be taken as a sign of impending war as these submarines aren’t going to be even laid down until years from now and won’t enter service till well over a decade. There certainly won’t be any war against China in the traditional sense complete with amphibious landings of US Marines on Chinese shores to clean out the commies one city at a time and seize control of the country.
Instead what we are seeing is the beginning of a well thought out process to bring China to heel via grand geopolitical strategy, with maybe a direct-action intervention as a coup the grace if the big picture unfolds properly. What is going to happen in the medium term is economic divestment from China as a manufacturing base by American and American controlled proxies’ multinationals and their reshoring or relocation to other low cost nations. Since the USA controlled or allied sphere includes just about every relevant nation state aside from Russia and China itself, this will have huge repercussions for Chinese economic and thus political stability.
Political alliances will also be strengthened to hamper China’s ability to bust out of its immediate littoral and secure shipping lanes and resources globally. China is actually in an unenviable geographical position, as it is surrounded on all sides by nations that will naturally align with the American block in the coming geopolitical standoff, with the notable exception of Russia. It is also completely unable to safeguard the sea-lanes on which it depends for vital resources.
The way I ultimately see the situation playing it is all of the above weakening the Chinese economy and creating social unrest, unrest which will of course be fueled whenever possible by Western intelligence agencies, corporations, and the general American dominated cultural zeitgeist. Once the Chinese regime is weak, I could imagine the West manufacturing some crisis to justify an aggressive attempt at all out regime change in China.
That would likely happen by imposing airtight sanctions against China and completely closing off the sea-lanes to starve the country into submission. I actually could see China being able to survive such a blockade, but only if it is has access to Russian resources. However, I think it’s pretty clear that taking back control of Russia or at least forcing it into neutrality is part, parcel and prerequisite for America’s overall plan to vanquish China. Without overland access to Russian resources I don’t believe China would have any option but to capitulate in the face of a naval blockade and complete worldwide political isolation. Even if the CCP tried to resist to the last starving Chinese a la the WWII Japanese regime I don’t believe the coddled, consumerist 1 child Chinese populace would let it. China would have to surrender, whether through external pressure or internal chaos.
What would happen to a subjugated China? It has the potential to be way too powerful if even nominally independent, so I doubt a puppet government of the type installed in Iraq and Afghanistan would be allowed to rule the country lest the puppet regime goes rogue. Instead I envision a return to the paradigm China has enjoyed for the better part of the last 1000 years: foreign rule and an imported managerial class and occupation force to keep the populace in check. That’s how it worked for centuries under the Mongols and that’s mostly how it worked for centuries under the Manchus until as recently as 1912. China is a kind of Mr Jekyll/Mr Hyde in that it has the potential to be overwhelmingly powerful and dangerous for world stability but at the same time the Chinese are rather timid people and acquiesce to foreign rule readily, much more similar to the Japanese in this way than to rowdy Afghans and Arabs.
Here I must mention that India is likely to play a pivotal role both in reigning China in prior to regime change and helping manage the country afterwards, hence my interest in this topic. The USA would have neither the logistics or human capital to form the bulk of the managerial and occupation forces that would be required to govern a country China’s size whereas India shares a common border and has a youthful and rapidly growing population.
In fact, India will have a massive excess of young men in the coming decades due to selective abortions, so the above scenario would be an incredible geopolitical and societal boon. A large chunk of these excess young men could be sent over to China to run the country, acquiring Chinese partners in the process. Unlike Anglin’s specter of “black-on-yellow gang-bangs” the Indian man/Chinese woman pairing is extremely compatible and already one of the most common and rapidly growing inter-ethnic patterns in the world, from HK and Singapore to elite universities and corporations in the United States.
All that I wrote above is of course entirely hypothetical and most likely will not play out in the way I described. Still, any Western plan to seize control of China is much more likely to develop the way I propose than it is to involve an actual massive conventional war reminiscent of the WWII Pacific, so Anglin need not concern himself with the notion of white men dying in the Guangdong trenches.
Bollocks.Replies: @littlereddot, @Mary Marianne
the Indian man/Chinese woman pairing is extremely compatible and already one of the most common and rapidly growing inter-ethnic patterns in the world, from HK and Singapore to elite universities and corporations in the United States.
https://www.rbth.com/blogs/2013/06/12/india_and_the_boundless_informant_26047Replies: @Deep Thought, @The_MasterWang
The Boundless Informant comes as a wake-up call to the effect that what are Beijing’s woes today from the US’s containment strategy might as well be Delhi’s tomorrow if and when India begins to get its act together as a booming economy and world power.
That’s a nice pipedream you’re describing there.
However,—
1) the Chinese economy is no longer a simple low wage economy. American attempt to reshoring or relocation to other low cost nations through their controlled proxies’ multinationals will have little impact on the Chinese economy, as that is what the Chinese themselves have already been doing without any push from the Americans.
2) You are overestimating your clout if you think that “the USA controlled or allied sphere includes just about every relevant nation state aside from Russia and China itself”. Most countries surrounding China are uninterested in the USA, because you have nothing to offer them, except war and instability.
3) Your plan to impose “airtight sanctions against China and completely closing off the sea-lanes to starve the country into submission” is not going to work, because the Chinese – not the USA – are the biggest trading nation on this planet. If you fxck with the Chinese trade, you fxck with the economy of pretty much every other country on this planet, which means you are going to create enemies on every corner of this planet. It’s more likely that the rest of the world is going to retaliate by isolating you from the world economy, if you attempt such a stupid move.
Have fun wallowing in your pipedream, the Copium must be really good.
Excellent comment. Here’s a map of China’s BRI and its trading position all over the world:

Note that the ‘green’ colored areas signify China’s trade position as either #1, #2 or #3 in those countries depicted in the map, many of which are developing countries whose numbers will increase further as the BRI gets built out. As China relocates its manufacturing industries to BRI countries, the USA will end up ‘sourcing’ its manufactured products from those BRI countries whose infrastructure is being built by China, precisely to connect them to the global economy.
The US share of the world GDP has declined to about 25% since its peak of 50% in the 1950s and will continue to decline in the future. China’s share of the world GDP has risen to about 20% and will continue to rise in the future, together with other developing countries in the non-Western World. By 2050, 7 of the top 10 and 15 of the top 20 economies of the world will be non-Western countries led by China while the USA will decline to either #2 or #3 spot depending on India’s economic performance.
Most US allies including Germany, Italy, Japan and South Korea as well as regional economies such as the EU and ASEAN will benefit from participating in China’s BRI. Even US multinationals will profit from investing in those BRI countries once their infrastructure has been built by China. For the US Deep State to impede their participation in China’s BRI is tantamount to committing economic suicide by those US multinationals and foreign companies alike.
That’s the fatal flaw in the ‘business model’ of the USA Empire which relies on the neo-colonial project of the US military invading and occupying foreign countries. But that ‘business model’ belongs to the 19th century which makes it obsolete today. The 21st century will be based on China’s BRI ‘business model’: common prosperity based on mutual respect, bilateral trade/investment and multilateral partnerships. The recently announced AUKUS deal whereby the USA agreed to share its nuclear submarine technology to Australia is proof positive that the US Deep State has nothing to offer the world, except overpriced weapons which cause nothing but death and destruction as seen in the 20-year War in Afghanistan which the USA/NATO lost to the Taliban.
As for war against China, the US Deep State is just making empty threats which it knows will not happen. The US economy itself will run out of ‘gas’ as the financial bubbles inflated by the Fed’s USD printing deflate in the coming years. The US Deep State should worry more about what is going to happen to the USA when its economy collapses. The Chinese have already lost confidence in the US economy as early as 2008 when the GFC struck. That’s why they have been diversifying China’s economy away from the USA since then.
Either way, the USA Empire is doomed.
p.s. If the Aussies had not given up their guns – the nukes would not have had to be employed.Replies: @raga10, @Deep Thought, @CelestiaQuesta, @vox4non
Australia-China Trade Tensions: The Great Escape?
https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis/australiachina-trade-tensions-the-great-escape-July21.html
Well, at least Karma is coming good and hard for the AngloAmericans. Laughingly, you are projecting what you have been doing to people all over the world. You won’t be finding a pity party when it’s your turn.
While visiting Sydney Australia three years ago, I couldn’t help but notice most all tourist shops were owned and operated by Chinese, even the shop where I bought by Crocodile Dundee hat. Although Zoo staff and Great Barrier Reef guides were all Aussie. I brought back a dozen scrotum pouch’s made from Roos (Kangaroo’s) as souvenirs, not realizing how symbolic it was at how Aussies have been castrated like most every other western people by elected and unelected criminal cartels run under the guise of a free and Democratic elected government.
After reading Art of War by Sun Tzu, I feel relieved knowing one of China’s Great War masters would never use scorched earth tactics in battle that western military mights use, instead he teaches art of war tactics that preserve infrastructure, concentrating assets on removing the human virus causing disease itself.
And since GlobalHomo, BLM, Antifa, Millions of invading hordes of criminal illegals would be put down immediately, I have become a big fan of Xi and the Chinese people.
Our US troops are the best equipped military force in the world. While the majority of our forces are now gay, Black and/or transsexuals, don’t for a minute question their ferocity.
Our gay special operation personnel will easily infiltrate Chinese gay discos. Our Black troops are virtually invisible in darkness and will attack at night. Women and transsexual soldiers will provide the bulk of logistical support, shopping in Chinese wet markets, while our other forces decimate the Chinese enemies.
LOL. Only an American incel can fantasise like you. Bet you won’t even dare to look wrong at the local tough. Any of the fantasised women’s brothers will probably have you fellate them.
However, if you feel like getting yourself in a war with anyone else, please leave Europe out of it.
Isn’t it ridiculous how easily American jingoism can rear its head at the drop of a hat? Oh well, all good things have to end someday.
While decent rational Americans can see the futility of these unnecessary wars, there is still shockingly a large proportion for whom military force is the be all and end all. And more disgustingly are the chickenhawks, which many politicians are, call for more war yet shy away at the flimsiest of excuses. Perhaps the best remedy for warmongering is to get anyone so inclined, male or female; young or old; to take up a rifle and go off into one of their endless skirmishes in Africa or the middle East. The USA can solve 2 birds with one stone, and continue their pointless expenditure of blood and treasure.
Nuts. Both the US civilian and military command, and the Republicans and Democrats. And a pox on all their houses.
Hahaha. Dear boy, if one was getting regularly serviced, one needn’t boast as it would simply be a fact. Yet the harder you try to sound like a Lothario, you come off as desperate and reek of insecurity. Are you trying to compensate for something short?
There was a time when wholehearted support was there because there was a clear and present danger from the Soviets. The Chinese are a mercantile empire, and they have been trading for their needs, rather than occupying and killing – which I must say the USA has been doing par excellence.
In case you forgot, NATO Article 5 calls for a common defence if any member state is attacked, not joining in an attack. As far as I can tell, it is more likely that the USA, along with its Anglo poodles, will start one.
If only the American citizens understood what Dr. Michael Hudson is saying about neo-liberalism, they would have a far greater understanding to *why* people are paid so poorly; millions are homeless; insurance, health care, mortgage/rental payments, auto/home & education have skyrocketed, leaving them heavily in debt.
But, it seems the obvious, is beyond millions of American citizens.
What a tragedy!
Meanwhile, for those of you who think I’m exaggerating about the USD money ‘printing on steroids’ that’s going on now (which is orders of magnitude worse than what happened in the 1970’s), check out the growth in the U.S M1 money supply:
For those not in the know, M1 = (broadly speaking), the Coins and Notes in circulation PLUS Demand and Savings deposits PLUS OCD’s (other checkable deposits).
The graph above only goes to the end of 2020, and thus shows that most of the damage was done under the Socialist Donald Trump.
Yes MAGAts, and other Trump groupies, Trump was a committed fiscally reckless socialist that just happened to run on a Republican ticket.
Of course, Sleepy Joe Biden has taken the reins where Donald J Chump left off and is continuing with the profligacy.
Bottom Line: The USD, and the House of Cards that masquerades as the U.S economy, is done for.
It’s going down for the count and, like the 1970’s, that money is going into gold and silver (only more so).
For those that haven’t bailed out of their USD denominated investments (stocks, bonds, real estate etc), best to do so before your goose is cooked.
Most Chinese people have a blunt, indeed brutal, honesty that sensitive snowflake Cancel Culture America could not stomach.
I will never forget being in Sanya (China) and seeing a large gang of well dressed American girls prance up and down a little area of beach shops and cafes, decked out in their finest.
Several dour Chinese shop keepers (actual Chinese women don’t look like anime characters) saw the girls and shouted:
WE HAVE BIG SIZE FOR YOU!!!!!
The girls gasped, shouted, one cried and one….whipped out her iPhone to call her dad and sob that – “Chinese woman was being mean to her! ”
The Chinese women did not mean any harm. They are simply aware of how some American teenagers are now the size of Sumo wrestlers.
These two cultures are as different as hot and cold, night and day. It is not even lost in translation- it is not translatable.
Christ! You are even more brutal than the Chinese shop keepers!!! :-D
... American teenagers are now the size of Sumo wrestlers.
“You play our music. You learn our language. You study in our universities. You copy our products. You mimic our style. You try to duplicate the great things we’ve already done etc…etc…”
…said the Romans to the Germans once upon a time.
It has been my own experience that Chinese people were more open to the West than the people around me in the West are to the Chinese. That was in 2012 when I lived and traveled on my own in China for a few months. Many more Chinese can read English than the opposite. Chinese are really friendly and warm people. They are very curious about the West. So as ChineseMom says it is very hard to understand all the negative rhetorics going on in Western media against China. The Trump sanctions, the interference in China internal affairs are all very unfriendly.
Obviously the unfriendly Western actions are basically the result of fear, and how fear can be appeased if Western people don’t learn more about China by going there? We have powerful media but but it’s not enough to review the news; one needs to live in a country to really understand it. The Chinese people we meet in the West are not representative of the Chinese living in China; they are already “westernized”. The new China is a new world to discover, not something one needs to be afraid of. The Chinese themselves are discovering their new nountry.
The hope is that people take it on themselves to learn instead of leaving it to the media and the politicians to shape their minds.
Don't be so naive and idealistic. Most Americans won't even go to Mexico to learn the truth and how many years have they been neighbors? Regardless of where you live, naivety will get you in trouble. ALL criminals target the naive and the US Government is lead by criminals.Replies: @RichardDuck
The hope is that people take it on themselves to learn instead of leaving it to the media and the politicians to shape their minds.
Perfidy is the US’ stock in trade (or is it the oligarchy – it’s so hard to distinguish the two).
Bringing up a similar case:
GE, via USA, had tried to obtain Alstom back in 2014 but they were not successful:
https://www.ft.com/content/7727582c-f0b6-11e3-9e26-00144feabdc0
So I guessed they tried subterfuge and lies to get what they wanted eventually.
Also to note:
[quote] That facilitated the buyout of 70 per cent of Alstom by its main American competitor General Electric, blocking a potential merger between Alstom and Shanghai Electric Company,” he added. [/quote] as per Mr Frederic Pierucci
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/former-exec-of-french-firm-alstom-yesterday-alstom-today-huawei-and-tomorrow
Doesn’t it raise an eyebrow when the bulk of the US laws are applied against others outside its jurisdiction, unless the USA claims sovereignty over them:
[quote] Pierre Laporte, a former GE lawyer who now works as Pierucci’s partner, notes that 70% of firms targeted for US anti-bribery action are foreign – notably European. The FCPA and other laws that apply beyond US borders, Laporte says, are “tools of economic domination”. [/quote]
https://www.economist.com/business/2019/01/17/how-the-american-takeover-of-a-french-national-champion-became-intertwined-in-a-corruption-investigation
So for all the talk about laws and fairness, it seems like the USA only truth is this, “Do as I say, not as I do.”
Well, yeah, but you ignored the fact that to be White, ya GOTTA be Protestant. I went to a Catholic grade school, so I never really encountered “racist” White boys ’til I got to high school. Public high schools are of course FILLED with anti-Catholic Protestants. And they’re the majority, and they know that it’s THEIR school.
I went to a Catholic college, but as soon as I went looking for a job, it was back to being, “You’re CATHOLIC?! NOBODY is still CATHOLIC.” And of course the Fundamentalist Protestants were the pushiest. So the group agrees we’ll say Grace before Lunch, and “Grace” of course means PROTESTANT Grace. They were SERIOUSLY offended when it was my turn and I said the Catholic version. I think we simply STOPPED saying Grace after that. And of course the Catholic version of the “Our Father” is also different.
And Protestants get SERIOUSLY worked up about deviations from THEIR version of stuff.
But, yeah. Up until Negroes had enough social clout to be NOTICED, “discrimination” was entirely a Protestant-Catholic thing. So we had our Boy Scout troops, and they had theirs. I think there was even a separate “lodge” of the Order of the Arrow for Catholics.
So there was always this unspoken idea that any organization that was not EXPLICITLY Catholic was run by and for Fundamentalist Christians. I never dealt with enough Jews to hear the Jewish version of “NOT being Protestant in public”. I assume they learnt at a young age to simply smile a lot and keep their mouths shut.
Oh, a reason to hate Germans was/is that THEY’RE Catholic. (Adolf was a Catholic and was known to sneak into church to attend Midnight Mass for Christmas.) The majority is of course some flavor of Protestant, typically Lutheran. When he turned 15 or so, Goering’s mom told him he had to finally decide whether he was a Catholic or not, and Hermann picked Lutheran.
Yes, those Protestant boys used to try that with us Catholic boys and then we just kicked the shit out of them. They became amazingly ecumenical after that.
Public high schools are of course FILLED with anti-Catholic Protestants. And they’re the majority, and they know that it’s THEIR school.
A rather moving and interesting account of the author’s ideological roots.
I think political scientists have often argued that nationalism usually arises out of common resistance to attacks or oppression. For example, Napoleon’s repeated invasions and occupations of the various German states was probably a major factor behind the subsequent rise of strong German nationalism.
Obviously the same may be true on the individual level, with the endless activist attacks and humiliations inflicted upon white students on some college campuses giving rise to White Nationalist sentiments, thereby demonstrating the enormously counter-productive impact of all these crazy PC policies and Wokeness.
I got the impression that the author grew up on the East Coast and probably went to college there as well. Therefore, it doesn’t surprise me that all the groups that so enraged and offended him were black-activist types. I noticed that he didn’t even seem to say anything about Asians or Hispanics, who together probably outnumber blacks 2-to-1 nationwide, at least among the more youthful age cohorts.
I live in California, where blacks are 6% of the population and Asians+Hispanics 55%, and I’ve never heard anything like this about the behavior of those latter groups. I strongly suspect that’s a big part of the reason that there seems to be almost zero White Nationalist sentiment in California, despite whites now having become a shrinking minority of the population over just the last generation or two. For those interested, here’s a long article of mine from a decade ago that provides some quantitative analysis of these issues:
https://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/
What I’m about to say may sound extremely odd, but I’ve long suspected that “White Nationalism” itself is almost a PC-type sublimation of other sentiments. When black-activists constantly denounce or harangue you, and you feel their group unfairly benefits from Affirmative Action, you naturally become increasingly hostile towards them. But the notion of being “anti-black” has become so deeply stigmatized under modern cultural indoctrination, that the individuals instead prefer to think of themselves as “pro-white.” Meanwhile, immigrant groups relatively free from media brainwashing are sometimes much more candid in their sentiments.
You are correct with that assessment.
But the notion of being “anti-black” has become so deeply stigmatized under modern cultural indoctrination, that the individuals instead prefer to think of themselves as “pro-white.”
Perceptive.
What I’m about to say may sound extremely odd, but I’ve long suspected that “White Nationalism” itself is almost a PC-type sublimation of other sentiments. When black-activists constantly denounce or harangue you, and you feel their group unfairly benefits from Affirmative Action, you naturally become increasingly hostile towards them. But the notion of being “anti-black” has become so deeply stigmatized under modern cultural indoctrination, that the individuals instead prefer to think of themselves as “pro-white.
So Gregory Hood should be more like Eric Clapton.
What I’m about to say may sound extremely odd, but I’ve long suspected that “White Nationalism” itself is almost a PC-type sublimation of other sentiments. When black-activists constantly denounce or harangue you, and you feel their group unfairly benefits from Affirmative Action, you naturally become increasingly hostile towards them. But the notion of being “anti-black” has become so deeply stigmatized under modern cultural indoctrination, that the individuals instead prefer to think of themselves as “pro-white.” Meanwhile, immigrant groups relatively free from media brainwashing are sometimes much more candid in their sentiments.
When Israelis start accepting Asians and Hispanics into their country, we’ll do the same. I always believe one should lead by example. Don’t you agree?
I got the impression that the author grew up on the East Coast and probably went to college there as well. Therefore, it doesn’t surprise me that all the groups that so enraged and offended him were black-activist types. I noticed that he didn’t even seem to say anything about Asians or Hispanics, who together probably outnumber blacks 2-to-1 nationwide, at least among the more youthful age cohorts.
White nationalism arose in part as a reaction to black racial chauvinsim and hatred towards whites post 1965 and the vast racial differences that exist between the two. But if you consider George Lincoln Rockwell and William Pierce as the founding fathers of American white nationalism then it primarily arose to alert whites to Jewish power and influence that created the negro problem that still exists to this day. Thanks to the importation of more non-white racial groups via mass immigration (and Jewish power and influence) we now have a generalized race problem.A strong case can be made that civil rights, black pride and black nationalism are just euphemisms for disdain and hatred of white people and their society and a categorical rejection of detente with whites. I believe events since 1965 and the increasing demands and militancy of blacks have borne that out. Civil rights, black pride and black self determination and just lipstick and mascara on an anti-white pig.
What I’m about to say may sound extremely odd, but I’ve long suspected that “White Nationalism” itself is almost a PC-type sublimation of other sentiments.
Looking for historical similarities, there was Spain (1938) a year prior to Spanish Civil War.
Obviously the same may be true on the individual level, with the endless activist attacks and humiliations inflicted upon white students on some college campuses giving rise to White Nationalist sentiments, thereby demonstrating the enormously counter-productive impact of all these crazy PC policies and Wokeness.
Or California is just full of liberal white lemmings that are completely brainwashed by regime propaganda because everyone else saw the writing on the wall and left a long time ago.Imagine if there were millions of Latin Americans clamoring to get into China, South Korea, Japan, and Israel. These countries would almost certainly deny them entry. Do you think they would be acting irrationally in doing so?Would California be a better place today if it were 99% Hispanic mestizo? You'd have to be a moron to say yes...or maybe just a Jew.
I strongly suspect that’s a big part of the reason that there seems to be almost zero White Nationalist sentiment in California
If Europe is anything to go by, it is sadly true. Ideally, if one could see beyond their own tribe or country, Europe could be a united powerhouse. Who knows, with all the unpleasantness shown by the immigrants from Africa and the Middle East, it might push the indifferent to a realisation that open immigration and uncritical acceptance of others is not the acceptable state of affairs.
In all honesty, the Chinese don’t care if the USA is evil or not. What the Chinese care about is whether the USA can pay its debts owed to China (and the world), not whether the USA wants to invade another Muslim country or ‘contain’ China by selling nuclear submarines to Australia.
What the Chinese worry about is the fact that the Fed has resorted to devaluing the USD by printing more Benjamins in the last 18 months than during the last 100 years. The Chinese have simply lost confidence in the hyper-inflated US financial system which explains the recent decision by Chinese authorities to stop Chinese tech startups from selling their shares to US stock markets because China does not need nor want those trillions of printed USDs. What China wants is to internationalize the RMB by opening up its financial system to foreign firms such as Black Rock, thereby reducing its dependence on the USD as well as bypass the hyper-inflated US financial system.
All this talk of gloom and doom in Xi’s China misses the whole point entirely which is that Xi doesn’t want China to experience another economic crisis such as the one caused by the GFC 2008. Everything that Xi’s China is doing today — deleveraging its property sector, cracking down on its tech sector, restricting USD capital inflows to its tech startups — are meant to insulate the Chinese economy from the impending collapse of the US economy.
It’s the US economy, mate. That’s the gravest threat to Xi’s China.
Against the advice of Mao, Kim got Stalin to support his invasion of South Korea
Kim got Stalin’s reluctant support for a war, but not his approval for an attack. It was the South that attacked, says Sir John Pratt, KBE, CMG, an authority on China. He held appointments in the Foreign Service at many places in China and was for 13 years Adviser on Far Eastern Affairs in the Foreign Office. He was for two years head of the Far Eastern Section of the Ministry of Information. He was, for 20 years, the Foreign Secretaries’ representative on the Universities China Committee. He is now Vice-Chairman of the Board of Governors of the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London.
and
The Soviet UN ambassador was not present at the UNSC meeting as a result of the Soviet boycott against the UN, rendering the Soviet Union unable to veto resolution 82
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_82
The Soviet Union's delegate had boycotted all UN meetings because of procedural disagreements over the permanent security council seat going to the Republic of China (Taiwan) over the People’s Republic of China (Mainland) earlier in the year. Soviet ambassador to the United Nations Yakov Malik had been personally ordered not to attend the UNSC meetings by Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin.
The Americans so slavishly followed their British masters in this matter. The rank creep and surfeit of Generals is a lot like the old British Army where, possibly because there weren’t enough seats in Parliament to give make-work jobs to the sons of the ruling caste, they farmed them out to the army so every failson could be a Colonel in some regiment of hussars somewhere in a desert or a commander at some coaling station.
There used to be, from the days of the Napoleonic reforms ‘divisions’ which you don’t want me to bore you with the intricacies of how all that worked, but during the Sitzkrieg of 1945-1990, the western militaries aped this British system in order to spread Military Industrial Complext graft around to ‘team players’, which these Generals have to be. Once you hit full colonel, you start making real money. The excuse/tool has been the increased kinetic killing power of ever smaller units. The amount of firepower a modern company of infantry can let loose is on the order of a battalion back in The Big One. The reason they never want to fight an actual war is that the west knows it hasn’t got the industrial base or the logistical flexibility to maintain the tempo of operations, burning up all those munitions. This fact has led some cranks to say that Nuclear weapons are a big fake to scare the public. Not so sure about this notion but a war like WW2 today would probably cause the entire world to devolve to Mad Max in about a month. So we got that to look forward to.
Old men play games, with bones of young men as dice.
Some economists have said the collapse of the USSR kept America from it’s own economic collapse. The cracks in the US system were showing back in 1978. The collapse has officially begun. How long it will take and how it will all turn out is still in question. For the time being most of America is living in denial. The system is broken on every level and the majority of people don’t want to admit it.
That's easier said than done. For example, the British Empire (1913 - 23% of the world's population and 24% of the earth's land area - plus cultural and linguistic dominance).
So, the myth of America trudges on with some new labels attached but otherwise pretty much the same. Many would argue that it is time for a reboot, to return to constitutionalism, small government and an end to pointless foreign wars and interventions.
It’s all gone, but Britain still lives on the myth, involving its tiny navy in provocations of Russia off the Ukraine and China off Taiwan. The place desperately needs a reboot but it’s not happening.
And that British warship is the ONLY vessel in operating condition in the British Navy. LOL!
For Great Britain the reality of Empire quickly turned to myth when it was bankrupted by WW1 and WW2. All the dominions, colonies, protectorates and mandates sought independence same as the US’ Western European Protectorates are currently reevaluating their relationship with the US Empire.
The British Empire started its decline in the aftermath of WWI and disintegrated over a period of a few decades after WWII. But the USA Empire is following a different course, much more similar to the USSR whose internal contradictions led to its demise, rather than to the British Empire which suffered from external shocks leading to its decline and fall.
Contrary to Western propaganda by the US Deep State, China does not pose any existential threat at all to US hegemony because China does not go out of its way to oppose US military adventurism in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. What freaks out the Yanks is that China is doing too well in its internal affairs which contrasts with the abysmal condition of the USA Empire whether its society, economy or politics, not to mention its pathetic failures in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. Just like the USSR, the USA Empire is being torn apart not by external shocks but by its internal contradictions. And just like their British cousins, the delusional Yanks may take a few more decades before they realize that their Empire’s glory days are gone with the wind.
A "deity" represents a pagan mangod (or animalgod, womangod...), such as, the Chrizzian "father" or the "son," the Juden "in-man's-image" deity, the Dindoo shiva or vishnu or lakshmi... (I don't think this comment field can fit in all the others), the Buddhist buddha, and so on.Can you see the common pattern here? "gods" as man-like beings. These are "deities."None of that pagan abomination applies to Allah SWT, the One and only God of all existence. Muslims do not worship a deity, muslims worship, God, and none else. Muslims are not of the accursed pagans.The rest of your post was gibberish. Must be due to the paganism fried faeces-for-brains you have in that thick skull of yours.Replies: @vox4non
Allah–a deity
God and deity are synonymous. From their basic definitions, they both represent a supreme power. God is generally used in context to male gods, whereas deity can be used to refer to both god and goddess (female gods).
Being so severe and absolute makes one think of you as an extremist, sadly all too common of your ilk; and the Christian fundamentalists too.
Euro lad here. . .
If you Yanks and our little banana friends would hurry up and have your little blow up, we’d be ever so greatful. Given that you two nutjobs are the biggest sources of evil in the world – (ok, ok my lil yellow “friends”, I admit the Yanks are 85 -90 % but you are the rest) . . .
Cheerio, and thanks.
PS.I’ve stocked up on popcorn and am therefore looking forward to your gnashing of teeth the screaming, wailing and the flood in the valley of tears.
PPS. Do you think you could manage to kill yourselves off without doing to much damage to the environment? Much appreciated.
As long as Lloyd Austin, and his family, is deployed downrange in harm’s way, in the open, when the USA counterattack begins.
Taiwan is a Chinese affair. All pain, no gain for USA.
USA hasn’t fought a peer level conflict since WW2, and still has a losing record.
China is a diversion from the terminal malaise at home.
If China are smart which I think they are they’ll just come out and say they won’t be provoked into any dumb invasion of Taiwan the US can say what it likes but Taiwan will keep for another day.
China / Russia have a veto on any attempts to admit Taiwan anyway to the UN.
Many years ago I saw an interesting photo on the internet. The top of the photo showed a Chinese University graduation event. The men were dressed in jackets and ties and the women in dresses. Everyone looked smart and respectful. The bottom photo showed a graduation party at a fraternity of an American University. The students were wearing shorts and rags. Many of the women were topless. Most of them were holding bottles of beer or joints of marijuana and laughing at the camera. I thought way back then that this is a sure sign that America is doomed.
If the Chinese can be patient America will implode from within. There can be no question if this. My American Christian friends love to rant against Chinese Communism. But I think the PRC is really a form of the old Chinese emperor system. China is a very ancient culture with a proud and dignified religious moral and intellectual tradition. I pray to God that they can replace the degenerate United States.
As for the claims that China cannot compete with America economically, that seems like an incredible delusion. China is America’s biggest debt holder. It could purchase half the real estate in our country if it wanted to. The Chinese are intelligent hard-working focused ambitious and respectful of parents and political authorities. I pray to God the vile and vulgar American degenerate culture will not subvert China’s inherent ancient dignity.
Anyone who looks honestly at the global scene today and wishes for America to militarily destroy or humiliate China can only be motivated by sheer satanic stupidity. Even under Communism, China appears infinitely more noble and dignified than the American system of Christian-Zionist hypocrisy and massive cultural degeneracy.
It seems like the more China progresses, the louder the bleating from the Americans. So many of these Americans borrow the glory of their forefathers like a cloak to cover their inadequacies. They can only fantasise but contribute so little to the common good.
Europe will do well to stay away from the mischief of these “agreement-incapable” Americans, as their extortion of our industries has shown, and not get dragged into an unnecessary conflict with China – like this latest shenanigan from the USA.
It is astonishing how little control Americans have over their own foreign policy. The dumb bastards mock and taunt Europeans and others, but they are merely the goyim and cattle Israel uses to advance its proxy wars. For a nation of puffed-up, self-styled sophisticates, they struggle to see reality. I hope China delivers a crushing lesson in humility.
Doesn’t the USA know about the law of unintended consequences, and the law of action and reaction? Every time the USA tries something to handicap China, China develops a new response. Remember 1996 when the Nimitz and its task force sailed through the Taiwan Straits. Then China developed its DF17 missiles. Now, let’s see a carrier task force do the same.
Same for Russia, they tried sanctions and sabotaging the Nordstream 2. Now, Russia has excess food and fuel capacity, and a diversified market. Plus, a strengthened mutual partnership with China, and an enlarged footprint in the Middle East that is actually welcomed by the locals.
I’m not sure if the USA and its bombastic mouthpieces here realise that every time they tried to bluster and coerce someone, they get the opposite results? Have they forgotten a quote from one of their own, “Speak softly and carry a big stick”? Nowadays, it seems like American policy is the opposite.
The faux pas happens so frequently that I wonder if the oligarchy that is actually guiding these to the detriment of the average American, realise what they are accomplishing? Then sadly, I realise the general level of intelligence in that country and see that leadership with the likes of Marcus Aurelius has long gone, and that we’ll see the long slow decline of Americana.
I refer to use a new term "arsepieces" :-D
the USA and its bombastic mouthpieces
John Derbyshire has a good point, about the Chinese Cultural Revolution, et al. But, when I returned from China, walking through LAX airport to my domestic-flight gate, the transition was too abrupt and shocking. In the two weeks in China, I had gotten use to interacting with well dressed, well-mannered and intelligent people. In LAX, I was surrounded by pure 100% psychotic trash — people with earrings over their face, colored hair, obese people unable to fit into chairs, well dressed white women coupled to rap-dressed blacks, uncomprehending stupid people, people speaking in dozens of languages. No normal people at all. For me it was a frog in a boiling water syndrome. You just don’t know how bad it is until you see it contrasted, as I did.
NB: they’re called taikonauts in China.
Is China’s astronaut corps fifty-fifty male and female?
Replies: @vox4non
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51lT6lUjNGL._SY346_.jpg
https://apollonovel.com/the-book/
Actually, they are officially called 航天员 (hángtiānyuán). The term taikonaut is informal, a mash of 太空 (tàikōng) and astronaut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzF8G429eN0Replies: @vox4non, @Quartermaster
As for us, I think we shall hold true to Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery’s Two Rules of War:
Rule One—Don’t invade Russia.
Rule Two—Don’t invade China.
Makes you glad that Truman was able to stop MacArthur.
Sanitism vs Vanitism
US is like sort of like China under the Ching-Manchu Dynasty. Manchus, 2% of China, ruled over the empire. Today, Han Chinese rule China.
US used to be ruled by white Christians but is now ruled by Jews who are 2% of the population.
Jews push White Nakba, GloboHomo, and ACOWW(Afro-Colonization of White Wombs).
And, whites cuck to Jews and blame either Russia(if libby-dib) or China(if conzo) for their woes.
Because Russia 1) openly persecuted Jews during Tsarist times, and 2) is no longer Communist (this being more unforgiveable in Jewish eyes than #1)
And, whites ... blame either Russia(if libby-dib)
China, while still (at least nominally) Communist (ordinarily a big plus in Jewish eyes), is competing with dah Jooz for primacy of influence and wealth within conquered Amerika, to which dah Jooz do NOT take kindly. Thus the enmity.White people shouldn't be hating on either Russia or China for either of these reasons (or really for any logical reason at all on a national level), but since the goy have succumbed so completely to the Jews-and-Israel-are-our-BFFs-always-have-been-and-always-will-be brainwashing, they'll hate whomever their Schlomo masters order them to hate, even when doing so is contrary to their own best interests as white people.
...or China(if conzo) ...
This reminds me of a very popular joke that was going around Chinese Social Media a few years ago, about Chairman Mao coming back to life and asking all sorts of questions about the state of the modern world:
People “want” to live in muttmerica because the Chinese don’t hand out visa for stupid reasons/dirty kikes. Also if there were to be any caravan at the border, the general Chinese sentiment is “get rekt”.
But it is true. Put on a tan and join the shitskin caravan to muttmerica. And claim the 450k. Most people would do that.
I had worked with Indians from India, South East Asia, Europe and the US. While the levels of pugnaciousness varied, the commonalities were the same (argumentative, dishonest, venal and self-aggrandising) . They will smile to your face and pander to you, especially if you are white and come from the richer countries.
To be fair, when working with Indians, there was a very small minority that could be considered reliable and trustworthy. Alas, that was a very small minority (like 1 in 90).
Indians are natural sycophants to higher up, always overpromising and ready with an excuse. Perhaps that is why in a working structure like ours, they climb the corporate ladder quickly because they know how to game it, and stupid upper executives are too busy being pandered to look closer.
Indians will be “good” subordinates (act like the ideal worker in front of you), treacherous peers (take credit for ideas and work not theirs, badmouth and sabotage you), and overbearing superiors (you haven’t seen bossy and overbearing till you work under an Indian superior).
Worst still, once one gets a foot in, a tribal nepotism takes over where they progressively get more of their own kind, regardless of competency, into the same department and thereafter across the company. Have a look at the IT depts in MNCs and you will see the same picture. At the same time, the level of competency declines. In a way, I’m pleased to see so many Indians coming into those large corporations and banks like Twitter and Standard Chartered – it simply means the inevitable end for these too big to fail companies. Have you seen anything innovative from them after the large influx of Indians?
And only a minute amount actually goes to the person in need, after deducting “administrative” costs.
I agree, though more than ridiculous, it's an important tell and downright embarrassing to whomever traffics in it.
The Chinese worship on this site is frankly ridiculous.
Just when you thought it would be safe to go out, here you come with “until Trump is back where he belongs in the Oval Office”.
Oh dear, delusion is a powerful thing, isn’t it? And all your vain hopes pinned on that excuse for a human.
Really pity the thinking American (not many left, I suspect) that all his choices of leadership was either a narcissistic swindler or an over touchy senile senior.
“Facta non verba (Latin: Deeds not words)” as the ancients would say. On one hand, you have Russia and China (especially China) going out to build and make trade while on the other, you see the USA and its lapdogs threaten or wage war on anyone that won’t toe their line.
The AngloAmerican cabal have used every excuse to wrought havoc and destruction across the world, yet they can blithely claim they are bringers of prosperity and peace, and that ever elusive democracy; yet suppress their fellow citizens when it doesn’t fit their narrative (Julian Assange). For all their faults, the Russians and Chinese can at the very least be seen to be actually doing something for their fellow citizens.
The rest of the world, having seen the true nature of the imperial beast, tires of the ways that the AngloAmerican cabal tries to subvert their political system, ransack their economy, corrupt their young, and reduce them to a state of dependency. Pious words not matched by degenerate deeds.
How was Trump a “real POTUS”? Let’s try this simple metric:
Political – Has Trump reinforced the system of democracy? Has he reinforced relationships with allies, friends? Everywhere he went, he found some way to insult. His behaviour was more of a bully threatening EU nations, extorting more money from Japan and Korea. The only country that he seemed strangely deferential to was Russia. Makes one wonder what hold Putin has over him to make Trump his patsy.
Economic – How much real economic benefit has his polices or his administration brought? His trade war with China was so bang on that the imports from China actually increased. Plus it contributed greatly to the decades breaking inflation. So much for quick and easy to win. Moreover, instead of making China dependent on the main technological exports from the USA, he has driven China to be more self-sufficient.
Social – Has there ever been a more divisive or polarising POTUS than him? His remarks are like fuel to the fire. Did racial relationships improve? Did the GINI coefficient (an objective measure) divide improve? Plus he wanted to take away healthcare for millions of needy people. And you think he has your best interests at heart?
Technology – Has he spearheaded any groundbreaking advances or improved the awareness of science? At every turn, he has shown himself unwilling to learn and at the same time mock valid evidences of scientific fact.
Hah. If anything, I would say that Trump was an enabler to degrade the USA for its competitors.
How, by any stretch of the imagination, can anyone claim he was a real POTUS? All he did was to reinforce the bigotry and exploit a certain segment of the population. Under him, the brand of the USA has been irredeemably tarnished. He has also created a dangerous atmosphere of making his supporters believe that violence is acceptable to overturn the results of democracy.
I think you support him so much since it resonates it with the morality and worldview you have, which is troubling to say the least.
Stay on your medication. Oh nevermind, carry on, always such a comedy with your comments.
Agree. A country that votes for a moron like Trump or Johnson not only demonstrates that it can no longer be taken seriously. It also poses the serious question whether democracy is a serious, sustainable form of government. And that’s where we are.
of course, the Greek philosophers already had serious doubts about democracy.
I watched an interview on the Ukraine crisis the other day during which Paul Jay tells Lawrence Wilkerson:
“ I mean, the insanity of this whole thing. It takes me back to the stories of Lyndon Johnson during the Vietnam War when they knew they were going to lose, and they knew it was pointless, and they knew there wasn’t really going to be any big domino effect. And Johnson says, according to the stories, and tell me if I’m wrong because you probably know the story better than me. He pulls his pants down, shows his dick, and says, look how big it is, and that’s what this is about.”
We had more of this garbage during the Trump campaign (“small hands”), continued during his presidency (“little rocket man” vs Trumps “bigger and better button”)
The Ukraine crisis , in a nutshell, was announced in a comedy stunt performed by current Ukrainian president Zelensky:
Remember how Z grovelled to Trump’s bigger button in the Ukrainegate/impeachment tape?
Ukraine is not a democracy but a sad and serious joke with the potential to destroy the lives of tens of millions of people, with a clown in charge.
Well, I guess ZH was a useful idiot for the TPTB until it crossed the line.
Gordon Chang has been so consistently wrong that I wonder if he’s a plant to lower their guard.
That is because the dirty snake eating Chinky barbarians were far away from us. The cunning Chinky barbarians conquered innocent Tibet, committed genocide and came to our border to cause trouble and take our land, Chinky barbarians back-stabbed India in 1962 by fooling Indians with 'Hindi Chini' bhai bhai. Our Prime Minister Nehru was Chinese mole and banned use of the Indian Air Force against the Imperialist Chinese dogs. The Chinese Communists are the new British Imperialists using salami slicing tactics to take Indian motherland.
China and India had a good relationship for many centuries.
LOL. Another deranged Indian, with more bluster and heat.
What Indian motherland? India is an artificial construct, thanks to the British, who conquered and stitched the Mughal, Maratha, Sikh, and Mysore empires together.
Now that the shoe is on the other foot, these mercenaries and glory hounds belatedly realise what it is like when the opponent can shoot back with bullets, bombs, artillery shells and missiles. Were they thinking it was just another COIN against lightly armed combatants? Looking for glory a la Call of Duty or Counterstrike game? Perhaps their experience will scare adventure seekers from doing something foolhardy.
And too many Americans and Europeans can’t see this difference. The double standards on the “rule of law” has definitely struck the rest of the world. Don’t blame others when the thirst for collective punishment is reciprocated.
Another troglodyte for the Empire of Lies. Keep on wishing.
Some Americans like to talk about the fear of One World Order, when the Project for New American Century (PNAC) is itself a blueprint for world domination. Talk about deception, or perhaps in some cases self-deception.
That's why CIA is building the Azov brigade as Eastern Europe's very own version of ISIS/Al Qaeda. They will start causing trouble all over EE and Russia and a large contingent of Ukrainians imported into the West will be part of this. A whole new anti-terror movement for the MIC to deal with.Replies: @vox4non
When this war with Ukraine ends with a Ukrainian defeat, there is going to be alot of resentment and hatred on the part of the Maidan Ukrainians toward America.
Bringing in the radical Ukrainians could be cynically used to bolster more anti-terror measures to implement totalitarian controls (CCTVs, electronic snooping, reporting on neighbours) under the guise of fighting terrorism/nationalism etc.
Orwell’s 1984 is starting to look scarily prophetic.
One key point that almost all forget or ignore is the a-ideological path that China has been on since Deng took control. It speaks to the pragmatic nature of the Chinese that whatever boat will get you there, it will do. The ideologues cannot fathom that when they try to pigeonhole China’s actions.
So true. I can count on my fingers how many of these self-deluded people around even understand the difference between communism, socialism, capitalism, etc.; much less the social and economic history of the country they are talking about.
Well, they have hit their moment of cognitive dissonance, and so they have to create fantasies in order to deal with the true reality. Perhaps those who cling hardest to their mindset, find it hardest to deal with reality. Mind you, the Chinese too had their own period of delusions in the 19th century. Thus being so rudely awakened by the Western powers, I doubt that their elites have any illusions dealing with Washington or London.
How will the likes of anglophile Indian cheerleaders now see their role? Will Indians finally realise that they were never seen as anything more than cat’s paws for Washington and London?
Wasn’t there a saw about it’s dangerous being America’s enemy, but fatal being a friend?
The 82nd airborne is essentially light infantry. Against a combined arms army like the Russians have in Ukraine, they’d be massacred. The Russian general staff is probably puzzled if they’re not laughing their ass off.
I’ve had a revelation. I think the left hand of the deep state doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. I think the MIC told the megalomaniacs in charge of conquering the world that, no problem, the US military is the best ever. And the megalomaniacs believed them. But the MIC has been producing overpriced crap weapons. Now we get silly sh-t like Biden threatening Russia with a bunch of light infantry, while the Russians counter-threaten with hypersonic missiles and hyperbaric MLRS’s. It’s like the Monte Python skit with the knight with arms chopped off.
The culture of secrecy and classification contributes to this--if you are not "cleared" for the good stuff there is no way of understanding who has what capability.
I think the left hand of the deep state doesn’t know what the right hand is doing.
The Chinese PVA that entered Korea was also "essentially light infantry." If the 82nd airborne doesn't mind taking as much casualty as the Chinese did, why not? :-D
The 82nd airborne is essentially light infantry. Against a combined arms army like the Russians have in Ukraine, they’d be massacred. The Russian general staff is probably puzzled if they’re not laughing their ass off.
{I’d cut off their heads, fill a truck with them and then ship them special delivery to the Kremlin, attn: Putin.}
The war still going, Rambo.
What are you waiting for?
Why are you wasting time sitting in your safe, comfortable office writing posts @UNZ.com?
Ukraine is calling: go East young man, go East.
Go to Mariupol: maybe you’ll get lucky and will get to tangle with Chechen volunteers there.
Show them how tough you are. Be careful though: Chechens are known for cutting the heads off of their enemies.
While alive.
Post some pictures from Mariupol @UNZ.com
Don’t forget to write.
We R all rooting for you, Rambojojo.
Hahaha. Another keyboard warrior. What are you waiting for? Why aren’t you with the rest of the swastika loving menschen in Ukraine, and get your choice of hump? Or you afraid of dirtying your two-toned nail polish?
Your hysterical rants are almost entertaining. The whole point of forums like this, where everyone is anonymous with no accompanying image, is that it allows everyone to focus on the arguments – or lack of them – that are being presented. However, since you have lost the debate again due to your lack of credible arguments and evidence, you have found it necessary to try to distract readers toward something else, namely me, or more specifically your false characterization of me.
Others are examining you NOT YOUR ARGUMENT.
“Professor John Mearsheimer Explains Who Is Responsible for the Ukraine-Russia Crisis
By Vasko Kohlmayer
March 24, 2022
Professor John Mearsheimer is one of the most accomplished and distinguished political scientists in the world. A leading authority in the field of international relations, he has authored several seminal books and lectured extensively around the globe (see his website here).
Mearsheimer's views are well known. He supports the "law of the jungle" and is an apologist for Russian bullying or coercion, so as to create some grand sphere of influence that he believes it is entitled to – of course at the cost of its neighbors. He repeats the cliché of a "coup" in Kiev, in February 2014, and claims US involvement, of course without any specific evidence. This explains why he had appeared on RT shows prior to Russia's war of aggression, to manifest a warped framework of public perception. Not surprisingly, he has come under strong criticism at his university. He might as well be on the Russian payroll to supplement his income. For Vlad-cultists who like to appeal to academic authority, without thinking critically, this is the man that gets recommended most.Replies: @Noble47, @emerging majority
...John Mearsheimer Explains Who Is Responsible...
By 2050, Bloomberg Economics projects China’s productivity will have caught up to 70% of the U.S. level—putting it in the typical range for countries at a comparable level of development.- https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/when-will-china-s-economy-beat-the-us-to-become-no-1-it-may-never-happen-121070600079_1.html
The USA has a very skewed economy, with California, Texas and New York producing much of its GDP, having Silicon Valley, Oil&Gas and Wall Street as its main industries, respectively. China has been restructuring its economy to become much more diversified based on its fast-growing technology and services industries, away from its slowing-down infrastructure and manufacturing industries. That’s what I meant by the quality of its GDP which is moving towards a ‘green’ economy with less energy-intensive and more knowledge-based industries in the future. A good example is China’s HSR which is ten times more energy efficient than autos and planes while using ten times less land than highways. The USA by contrast has a very inefficient transportation system with inadequate to non-existent public transport in most urban or suburban areas, respectively, which is not measured by its GDP. Additionally, the USA spends more per capita on its very expensive public education sector and public healthcare system, which is ranked the lowest amongst developed countries.
Okay, but achieving that "green" economy goal is still far off in the distance/future, IMHO, and in the process of having achieved to grow the Chinese economy and Chinese middle class over the last decades, China and Chinese citizens have paid a high environmental and quality of life cost/price for that. China was a much "greener" economy and land 30 or 40 years ago, and all the "greening" they have already or are planning to do is just reversing or slowing down the ecological and environmental damage they have done/caused over the last 20+ years especially. I don't know if one can really call that "quality" progress... I just commented on this topic in detail in another UR thread: https://www.unz.com/aanglin/i-am-a-russian-cheerleader/#comment-5263026 Click the "[MORE]" button there to read the entire comment. Does GDP growth necessitate environmental degradation?
That’s what I meant by the quality of its GDP which is moving towards a ‘green’ economy with less energy-intensive and more knowledge-based industries in the future.
The AngloAmericans have truly gone drunk on their hubris. Whatever happened to due process?
Since when did Europeans gone so insane as well and believe in collective punishment? Heavens forbid if we as a whole are to be judged collectively for our past crimes.
By willy nilly stealing (yes, even if you’re a government if you take without authority), it sends a chilling message to the world beyond our shores, as well as those within. Will the day come when I or my family, and our property, may get haphazardly taken away because the AUKUS deems my government’s action contrary to theirs? So, how about we apply that action to the countless illegal actions that the AngloAmericans have done, for a start?
Well, I suppose I could sum up China in one phrase: “China is less than what you hope for but more than what you expect.”
Having lived and worked there for a time, I am at turns amused and bemused by fellow expats and those outside China, who can claim without incredulity that they are the fount and source of all that is to know, without even knowing the people nor the language. China is an immensely vast place with just as varied in people and thinking. It also has an incredibly ancient and complex culture, one that almost stretches back to the mists of time.
Like before, China behaves more like a Rorschach test to its viewers. So perhaps those who disparage or infer evil may like to remember, “Honi soit qui mal y pense”
Five stages of grief:
1. Denial
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Paying in Rubles
It’s all lies and fabrication, we know this. But I keep encountering people who swallow it all. Most people are just passive consumers of the supposed news. TPTB rely on the gullibility and stupidity of the masses out there. Makes a person feel estranged from American society in general.
Western ‘elections’ are sad, sick, farces. To begin with ALL REAL power belongs in the hands of the owners of society, the rich. Politicians are their property, bought and paid for by political ‘contributions’, bribes and employment after politic
Absolutely. I have come to believe that in the Western system, elections are no more than a sedative to make the population believe that they actually have some influence on their future. I have to admit, that sedative is damned effective.
The best slave is the one who thinks he is actually free.
Who needs whips and chains, when you can have elections?
My only hard disagreement is the conviction Russia must conquer all of Ukraine to find a lasting resolution. That sounds like the ultimate nightmare scenario: an immiserated, deindustrialized country with enormous territory to occupy on their front step chock-full of extremists and locals hellbent on vengeance. If Putin and his inner circle have ascertained victory in the east is within their grasp, then they probably are thinking about how to avoid getting mired in another Afghanistan. It’s not like U.S. toadies has kept their intentions secret on that front. Even though the terrain isn’t amenable for such insurgency, it’s in the best interest of the Russian state to promote a prosperous Ukraine – one untempted by promises of economic bounty from IMF, the EU, and NATO perniciousness.
If only the USA had followed George Washington’s advice to be at peace with all, and ally with none. The USA has been blessed with oceans on both sides, and two neighbours who don’t go looking for trouble. So, why do they do it?
Perhaps with the USA being consolidated in strength, with no enemies nearby to vex them, they go around with the other four-eyes, picking fights ? Is it the congenital character of the Anglo-Americans to continually expand and conquer? What accounts for that messianic-like zeal to spread their “democracy” and “freedom” ill-suited for the rest of the world? Mayhaps they need consternations closer at hand, or a separation of the country to states of their appropriate natures to keep them preoccupied.
The simplest answer to that question is this: The "USA" does what it does because it's evil. For a deeper understanding, you have to break the "USA" down into its main component parts. At the top is a cult of demon-possessed, devil-worshiping, theistic Satanists (aka the first beast of Rev 13, aka the beast from the sea, aka the spiritual heirs of the Pharisees). Second from the top is the U.S. "government," comprised of the beast's loyal servants, who've also sold their souls to Satan. In Biblical terms, the office of President would seem to be the second beast of Rev 13 (aka the beast from the earth) into which all political power has been illegitimately consolidated (thanks to the efforts of the first beast). And the balance of the U.S. "government" over which the president presides, is apparently described in the Bible as having become an "image of the beast" - meaning that it has lost all moral and constitutional legitimacy and now exists solely to do the beast's dirty work.The beast seeks complete world domination and control by way of "giving worth to evil" (i.e. worshiping Satan). IOW the beast seeks to rise to the top of the world not by its own merits but by deceiving, corrupting and manipulating everyone else into destroying themselves. And anyone who can't be so corrupted and manipulated must be physically destroyed. Apparently the spiritual end game for the beast is the fulfillment of the Satanic goal set forth in Isaiah 14:13,14 - which can only be achieved if all examples of "goodness" on earth are destroyed. And this is why the beast must destroy Russia (and any other country which resists the imposition of the Satanic, messianic judeo-communist "new world order").
If only the USA had followed George Washington’s advice to be at peace with all, and ally with none. The USA has been blessed with oceans on both sides, and two neighbours who don’t go looking for trouble. So, why do they do it?
It doesn’t matter what you think. As the USA has consistently shown, might makes right. Is the USA going to stop them? Are you going to arm yourself and wait for the People’s Republic of China (PRC), on the shores of the Republic of China (ROC)? If you fail to realise by now, both consider themselves inheritors to CHINA, the land and the state. It’s only the type of governments that either side wish to impose on the other.
The 2nd sentence just shows you are not interested in honest discussion about Taiwan , as historical, scholastic etc has shown otherwise. Also, by taking such a stand, you negate the statement that no war is good, as like-minded people like you in the USA government will provoke one (by overt support) or the other (by actions to elevate Taiwan) to taking more extreme measures.
I wonder why the USA would give up its “strategic ambiguity” which has worked so well in balancing the energies of both parties.
And like the war in Ukraine has shown, the USA will fight the PRC to the last ROC (Taiwanese). Good luck to the Taiwanese if they think the USA has its back. The USA is only looking to milk them and by selling 2nd hand goods too.
The de facto reality may be that the Kuomintang (KMT) has made no further attempts to return to rule China but by de jure, they have not removed that goal.
Taiwan’s KMT-drafted constitution (https://law.moj.gov.tw/ENG/LawClass/LawAll.aspx?pcode=A0000001) continues to recognise China, Mongolia, Taiwan, Tibet, and the South China Sea as part of the ROC. Chapters III. National Assembly, IV. Legislation and IX. Control should be of interest.
An example: Chapter 6, Article 64
“Members of the Legislative Yuan shall be elected in accordance with the following provisions:
1. Those to be elected from the provinces and by the municipalities under the direct jurisdiction of the Executive Yuan shall be five for each province or municipality with a population of not more than 3,000,000, one additional member shall be elected for each additional 1,000,000 in a province or municipality whose population is over 3,000,000;
2. Those to be elected from Mongolian Leagues and Banners;
3. Those to be elected from Tibet;
4. Those to be elected by various racial groups in frontier regions;
5. Those to be elected by Chinese citizens residing abroad; and
6. Those to be elected by occupational groups.
The election of Members of the Legislative Yuan and the number of those to be elected in accordance with Items 2 to 6 of the preceding paragraph shall be prescribed by law. The number of women to be elected under the various items enumerated in the first paragraph shall be prescribed by law.”
Hmm, now why would they continue to talk about Mongolia and Tibet if they were only concerned about Taiwan? They instead have sought to push for re-unification through political means. One of those was the 1992 Consensus between the PRC and the KMT, then ruling Taiwan.
For the PRC, as Chinese President Xi Jinping has stated, the 1992 Consensus reflects an agreement that “the two sides of the strait belong to one China and would work together to seek national reunification.” For the KMT, it means “one China, different interpretations,” with the ROC standing as the “one China.” So, naturally both sides will disagree.
While the KMT may be somewhat of a dinosaur, the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is doing Taiwan no favours with its rhetoric and actions that unnecessarily agitate the PRC, and its compromised willingness to be a pawn of Washington.
I think you need to find out more.
What’s with you psychopathic Americans? Always interfering and intruding where you don’t belong?
Hahaha. I would say that the USA is in more danger of breaking up given the infighting and degeneracy going on. The government and people at loggerheads.
In fact, given the evil and chaos the USA has sown over the last 70 years, it is more deserving of being broken up. Hawaii and Puerto Rico back to its indigenous people, the southwest back to Mexico, the two Coasts on its own, Florida, and the other states can also go their own way.
Perhaps then, with the quarrelsome Americans or what’s left of them busying themselves with each other, will they then leave the rest of the world alone.