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    The past week has been quite intense in Russia - lots of interesting developments took place, and today I will mention three: Putin wrote a very interesting essay on the history of Russia and the Ukraine, which he followed up with a very interesting interview. Russia just concluded final tests for truly formidable weapons systems...
  • @AKAHorace
    In the whole essay by Putin there is no mention at all of the starvation by Stalin of the Ukrainians in the Holodmor. Even if everything else he says is right (possible, I am don't know much about the history of the Ukraine), don't you think that he should have addressed this question ? There are arguments that the Russians suffered as much or more than the Ukrainians, but ignoring this question could make long term reconciliation difficult. From what I have read, the famine explains much of the later collaboration with the Nazis.


    Also, I am not sure if this is Putin or his translator, but referring to the Ukraine as "little Russians" may be historically correct, but is it helpful ?

    Replies: @GomezAdddams, @Ukraine Tiger, @Kapyong, @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist, @Alfred, @Ilya G Poimandres, @El Dato, @Mulga Mumblebrain, @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist, @Robjil, @Anon, @Mike_from_Russia, @Patrick McNally, @babu, @Joe Wong, @Iva, @mindblower, @Bill Jones, @Milan Baran

    Simple fact. The east and south of Ukraine wants to be with Russia. The west and north west wants to be with the EU. Let it be so. Split the country from east of Sumy to west of Odessa. We would all be so much better off.

    • Agree: Zarathustra, vox4non, vox4non
    • Replies: @Alfred
    @Ukraine Tiger

    The east and south of Ukraine wants to be with Russia.

    I am in Lviv. Supposedly the centre of the "nationalist" movement. Yesterday, my tattooed young hairdresser agreed with me that the Russians and Ukrainians were the same people. He is going to Kiev soon as Lviv is really a holiday destination. They speak Russian in Kiev. Maybe he will move on to Moscow later on.

    Incidentally, he told me that his grandmother (85) had no problem recovering from Covid. Last December, he also had it - he hardly noticed. :)

    I had it in Kiev in November. I had a slight temperature for two days. I never take flu vaccines and I almost never fall ill with the flu. After one week, I was perfectly normal.

    The photo below is from 2 nights ago. Young people having fun. A large local liqueur is around $1.30. There is a huge variety, but they are too sweet for my taste.

    https://i.ibb.co/Gn4RmP0/Young1.jpg

    Replies: @GMC, @Director95

    , @Andrei Martyanov
    @Ukraine Tiger


    Simple fact. The east and south of Ukraine wants to be with Russia.
     
    It is a blanket statement. In some locations they do but there are all reasons to believe that a solid majority of them wants to be on Russian welfare while remaining decidedly Ukrainian. I do not know percentages but a would say 60-5% of those people in the East and South of Ukraine want just Russia's money not "to be with Russia". Most importantly, Russians' attitude changed, with majority not willing to see Ukraine in Russian "fold". Sadly, at some point Russia will have to deal with shithole of a country and Putin is laying down the groundwork for that.

    Replies: @Marshal Marlow

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    @Ukraine Tiger

    Agreed. The most obvious border would be the Dnieper River. That’s what Russia should have pushed for back in the 90’s had they not been led by an incompetent alcoholic.

    , @nclaughlin
    @Ukraine Tiger

    And maybe Poland can retake Lvov and Belarus their border areas.

    , @Fr. John
    @Ukraine Tiger

    " Let it be so. Split the country from east of Sumy to west of Odessa. We would all be so much better off."

    Just like the heartland of the USA and the province of Alberta, want to be free from their oppressive (((MASTERS))) on either the East OR Left Coast!

    If NATO and the JEW SA would merely keep their hegemony in the nations they ALREADY control (yes, Jews, I'm talking to you- Biden kneeling before his Zionist 'massa,' and clown boy in Ottawa) we could see, OBJECTIVELY, what a White Heartland Anglo-Saxon America and an Orthodox Nationalist RUS, could do...

    And that scares the Yids senseless. Because it would BE that 'City on a Hill' described in the latter chapters of Revelation.

  • The Russians and Chinese will soon be way ahead in military affairs because the US MIC is so corrupt that its military budget is unaffordable. There is something very delicious about the USA being consumed by its own corrupt parasitism. Of course they have NOTHING to fear of a Chinese or Russian aggression, but they will have to take their boots off the necks of humanity.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    They have nothing to fear of a Chinese aggression, for now and the coming years. Never say never though.
    If the current corruption in the USA continues or worsens, the time they risk to receive aggression may come too.

  • @alwayswrite
    More blather from the saker,there's nothing amazing happening in Russia,its just a big dirty shit pit with idiotic lumpy face pygmy Putler carrying on like a reincarnation of Adolf,talking shite about Ukraine

    Russia is finished,i can't wait for the shit to start there,Putler is basically driving Russia into oblivion,he's signed the country over to China,but he doesn't care,as the Chinese will allow Putler and his cronies to still be rich,the Chinese won't care if Putler builds a new gulag system or kills thousands of his own citizens,as long as China rules Russia,Putin will stay,and he'll keep making sure the Chinese get a good deal,basically Putler is no more than a jumped up caretaker for Chinese imperialism

    So no saker,nothing to see amazing about Russia,just a bunch of idiots showing off a plastic full scale model of some crap that China will make soon and cheaper

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Rabbitnexus

    You’d be best advised to see your psychiatrist often and take all the meds s/he prescribes.

    • Agree: vox4non
  • Technological advance in China is rapid, broad in scope and, one might suppose (apparently) incorrectly, of interest to Americans. It is also easily discovered. Subscriptions are not all that expensive to Asia Times, NikkeiAsia, the South China Morning Post, and Aviation Week. The web is awash in tech sites covering everything from operating systems for...
  • @Smith
    @vox4non

    I'm almost sure of it, because mandarin doesn't sound like other languages that are influenced by ancient chinese at all (vietnamese and japanese). And yes, mandarin is born out of the period when Jin occupied Northern song and heavily influenced by khitdan language.

    Most viets in the medieval age are illiterate, we only know how to speak, not to write, which is why the spread of Latin alphabets in Viet Nam was so quick and effective.

    Replies: @vox4non

    As I have mentioned previously, “Essentially, meaning in a phonogram is derived from sounds. Change that sound, the meaning changes. Meaning in a logogram is derived from the visual form, with/without an equivalent sound. Change the sound, the meaning can still be retained.”

    Chinese character inscriptions have been found in turtle shells dating back to the Shang dynasty (1766-1123 BC) proving the written language has existed for more than 3,000 years. So the lineage has not been broken. As aforesaid, the Chinese logogram allowed them to carry on the language in spite of change in pronunciation. This also recognises the capacity of the language to adapt to the different form of speeches as well as the ruling dialect of the day. As such, even if one day their spoken words would change to a Shanghainese dialect, their meaning remains.

    However, for Vietnamese, changing from a logogram to a phonogram is a far greater change. Not just the script but the basis of meaning is now dependent solely on the spoken word. With variation over time and distance, the gulf widens.

    Hence, comparatively speaking, Vietnamese has undergone a fundamental change far more extensively than Chinese. Basing your assertion on phonetic usage is simply resting on shaky ground.

    • Replies: @Smith
    @vox4non

    That's wrong, because language starts with sound, written word is just a record of sound.

    Chinese languages have changed since the day of Qin dynasty, constantly getting simplified, even Simplified chinese is a testament to that.

    Yet again, the characters do not matter, as long as the people can understand each people vocally, as this is how illiterate people communicate.

    And please prove that the vietnamese has undergone fundamental change when Chữ Nôm is changed into Chữ Quốc Ngữ, because 中国 = Trung Quốc, where is the change in grammar or pronounciation?

    Replies: @vox4non

  • Assaulted by cognitive dissonance across the spectrum, the Empire of Chaos now behaves as a manic depressive inmate, rotten to the core - a fate more filled with dread than having to face a revolt of the satrapies. Only brain dead zombies now believe in its self-billed universal mission as the new Rome and the...
  • @Anonymous
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The Cold War was NOT Russia vrs China IT was the USA vrs Russia It was soviet communism vrs USa western Liberal capitalist democracy...since 1940s...and the USA WON..BUT neither China/Russia had achieved the level of development that the USA has...

    Replies: @gatobart, @vox4non, @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Have you taken a look recently in the countries you mentioned? Any objective observer comparing the state of infrastructure in the USA and China will tell you whose is more developed. Or unless you are just a deluded triumphalist whose mindset is set 20 years ago.

  • How dare the Chinese win sports? They should be hiring black people to quit and say they’re having a breakdown due to racism and lose everything. Real nations, true democracies, lose everything in order to help black people with their anxiety issues. Tom Fowdy writes for RT: Not even China’s sporting excellence can pass without...
  • anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor
    JYT does have a point. I don't how things are in China these days, but it was nearly compulsory for the selected in China to strive to win the medal. And me thinks the training tends to be on the brutal side.

    If Chinese drive kids to near madness preparing for something silly as 'opera', what does it do for kids training for real sports?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0JXPVm_Ohg&ab_channel=Movieclips

    But then, Cuba also had a statist sports program that produced many winners. Perhaps, as virtually all winners have been black, that is less distasteful to JYT.

    But JYT is also full of crap because it's run by Jews who see white people as nothing but horse and cattle for Jewish World Hegemony. "Fight Wars for Israel and die, goyim."

    JYT is right that China focus on the dinky sports, like Walking. Or in sports like weight-lifting, which is challenging(and frightening) but hardly profitable. Without state support, can anyone make a living off the sport?

    The only sports that really matter are running, swimming, basketball, gymnastics. Boxing used to matter but too much corruption in judging made people lose interest. Those are real money-makers. Everything else, not so much. Wrestling is a great sport, but no one really cares. If wrestlers wanna make money, they gotta go into pro-wrestling or MMA.

    China sweeps a lot of medals in events that NO ONE cares about but the Chinese. Table Tennis and Badminton. I think they won one in Trampoline, but I'm not sure if that's a sport anymore.

    Now, I can understand why people find sports entertaining, but they need proper perspective.

    1. People need to avoid the Sports Fallacy. Because of all the cultism and hero-worship around sports, there is the tendency to see victory in sports as synonymous with nobility and goodness. This is absurd. If someone is stronger or faster than you, is he better than you? Of course not, but the Sports Fallacy makes such connection.
    Sports Fallacy when applied to races and nations has had a dire effect. Much of Negrolatry owes to black domination. The reptilian part of our brains think, "might = right". Of course, this extends to military fallacy as well, i.e. because US is the lone superpower, it must be exceptional nation, the righteous policeman of the world.
    But Sports Fallacy is total baloney. Brazil won the most World Cups but its social misery won't go away. Cuba won tons of gold but is a backward and poor country. In the 70s, Soviet Union and East Germany became Olympic superpowers. They were almost neck and neck in the medal counts. But within decade and half, their systems crumbled. So, sports is fun and entertaining but mean NOTHING outside that entertainment value. One shouldn't attach moral or political meaning to sports.

    2. Sports Fallacy is especially damaging to Non-Blacks. How has sports obsession served the White West? Whites invented and spread sports obsession. It became mass culture, mass mania, even a replacement for nationalism. For many white men, sports is their main obsession. Now, if whites were #1 in sports, the Sports Fallacy delusion, while still stupid, would at least serve white pride and prestige. But what happens when blacks dominate? It leads to whites worshiping blacks as heroes and the 'better man'. It has led to white American males, French, British, and etc all cucking and sucking up to black men as 'my hero, oh please take my daughter'. Sports Fallacy is stupid but at least useful to the sports-dominant race. To the races that lose in sports, it can only lead to the worship of the Other. It's killing Japan as well as the Japanese now worship Negroes who colonize Japanese wombs. And all those pathetic Chinese boys are totally awed with NBA Negroes. Sports Fallacy has led to white dorks like Ken Burns kissing Jack Johnson's ass.

    This is why the Greeks had Olympics only for Greeks. Greeks had sense. What was the point of putting on games so that Greeks would be beaten by barbarians? This is why the world should revert to the true meaning of Olympics. Every nation/race should have its own and keep the Other out. White nations let blacks immigrate and take part in sports. Result is blacks kicking white male ass and taking white women. It's a total disgrace. Go back to the Greek way.
    Also, whites need to set up white leagues in the US on account of biological discrimination in sports. Racial differences essentially exclude certain races from effectively participating. Let each group has its own sports. It's like blacks have their own chess clubs as they can't compete with Jews.

    In a way, India is on saner footing than the Chinese or Japanese. Indians don't much care about sports and therefore less affected by Sports Fallacy. In contrast, Japanese are crazy about sports. They host MMA fights, take track and field seriously, and go nuts over baseball and etc. But what has this led to? It led to Mongolians dominating Sumo. It led to Japanese sports being taken over by mulatto blacks. And Japan has these MMA fights where blacks and Russians come to Japan and kick runty Japanese butt. Japanese may be higher-IQ but they are stuuuuuupid.
    Japanese would be much better admitting, "we are race of runty midgets and better off competing among ourselves cuz outsiders will kick our butts."

    This is why China is stupid to expend so much energy on sports.

    Besides, does anyone remember the Olympics? Who cares what happened four yrs ago in Rio? Or what happened in Beijing or Sydney or Athens or Atlanta?
    China wasted 20 billion putting on their Olympics. Russia spent 20 billion on winter olympics. Two weeks of nonsense and so much money wasted. Enough already. Also, it's turned so vulgar and trashy, especially since the LA Olympics in 1984 that turned it all Hollywood and Disney-like.
    Now, the extravagance is downright repulsive. They turn the field into a giant TV set.
    Also, totally wasteful vanity projects for less rich nations. Spend the money more wisely.

    And what do these white and yellow nations get for spending all that money? They just invite black savages to run away with lots of gold. How dumb is that?

    https://www.independentsentinel.com/socialist-olympics-locales-that-now-lay-in-ruins-photos/

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/gallery/2014/aug/13/abandoned-athens-olympic-2004-venues-10-years-on-in-pictures

    Replies: @showmethereal, @Smith, @anon, @anon, @anon, @obwandiyag

    You cant turn a donkey into a racing horse (unless you lower the bar obviously ) by pressure violence or family separation or nationalism.
    Nations do concentrate on certain sports in line with tradition and skills. Why cant USA play cricket or Soccer well or badminton? Now Chinese are excelling in music . Unfortunately no marathon music event is on the list of Olympic events.

    What is so praiseworthy about the animal -like hitting and head butting of the American Football ? How much do they get paid? How much do the advertisers contribute ? They even hold celebration of the military before the opening . The entire field smells of violence .

    Lets compare USA to other country’s economic when the dollar ceases to be the world currency . Let the nation experience same inflation that India or Cuba would had they printed 50 trillions into economy from 2010 . Rest of the world pays for this privilege of stealing and looting by USA. Rest of the world pays taxation ( values of the labors in those countries go down and commodity prices go up and many other holes through which this printing operates ) and suffers inflation

    So much of US’s gains are at the barrel of a gun cloaked into the linguistic garbage of freedom, trade,oiopenenss and innovation, that USA will possibly be seen in the same light by the future generations the way Hun,Mongols and Nazi are seen after USA’s dominance is toppled .

    • Agree: vox4non
  • Technological advance in China is rapid, broad in scope and, one might suppose (apparently) incorrectly, of interest to Americans. It is also easily discovered. Subscriptions are not all that expensive to Asia Times, NikkeiAsia, the South China Morning Post, and Aviation Week. The web is awash in tech sites covering everything from operating systems for...
  • @Smith
    @vox4non

    That's wrong, because language starts with sound, written word is just a record of sound.

    Chinese languages have changed since the day of Qin dynasty, constantly getting simplified, even Simplified chinese is a testament to that.

    Yet again, the characters do not matter, as long as the people can understand each people vocally, as this is how illiterate people communicate.

    And please prove that the vietnamese has undergone fundamental change when Chữ Nôm is changed into Chữ Quốc Ngữ, because 中国 = Trung Quốc, where is the change in grammar or pronounciation?

    Replies: @vox4non

    I think you missed the whole point of the phonogram versus the logogram. The Chinese language has retained its original forms of representation, which is using written strokes. And what you describe as change is actually evolution. Since it is a living language, you can’t expect the speakers to keep it static can you? Especially one with such a complex written system. An example is country: in traditional Chinese 國; simplified Chinese 国. Yet the pronunciation hasn’t changed. Even if spoken in Cantonese sound different (“kok”), the character is the same.

    Regarding speech, it consists of two types of basic units: ‘Phonemes’ or units of sound, which are themselves meaningless, are combined into ‘morphemes’, which are meaningful units. ; so the phonemes /b/, /i/, /t/ form the word ‘bit’. Alphabetic scripts work the same way. In logographic script, e.g. Chinese, each character corresponds to an entire morpheme (usually a word). Can’t you see the difference?

    Vietnamese has changed from a system where the characters have an individual meaning, to one where each character by itself has no meaning. Does ‘T’,’R’, ‘U’, ‘N’, ‘G’ each have any meaning or are they just to represent a sound? Only when you put them together do you have a meaning.

    Vietnamese language has also changed through time and there are 3 period for Vietnamese language: Ancient Vietnamese to Middle Vietnamese to Modern Vietnamese. Modern Vietnamese , in a comparison to Middle Vietnamese, has changed in phonology. Also, did you know that before 10th century, old Vietnamese had 3 tones as compared to today’s 6 tones? And since tones are such an important factor for a tonal language, it bears to reason that a lot more changes have occurred since then. Perhaps you may be seeing only what you want to see?

    https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-01678018/file/Haudricourt1954_OriginOfTonesInVietnamese.pdf

    Given that Vietnam has 3 main geographically distinct areas for dialects, will it also not stand to reason that pronunciation will also differ?

    • Replies: @Smith
    @vox4non


    Since it is a living language, you can’t expect the speakers to keep it static can you?
     
    If it has changed, it can't be stated that it's the same. Chinese languages have changed in both characters and pronounciation, that's my point. And Madarin vs Cantonese pronounciation are clear signs of divergence, that the chinese change their language, heavily that it doesn't sound like ancient chinese anymore.

    Does ‘T’,’R’, ‘U’, ‘N’, ‘G’ each have any meaning or are they just to represent a sound? Only when you put them together do you have a meaning.
     
    T R U N G might not have individual meaning by themselves, but same for the chinese, if you take | out of 中, does the | have meaning on itself? The stroke is comparable to the abc.

    And since tones are such an important factor for a tonal language, it bears to reason that a lot more changes have occurred since then. Perhaps you may be seeing only what you want to see?
     
    I did a little digging on that, it's just proving that the vietnamese language is an evolution of proto-Thai language, combined with additional tones from chinese, that's interesting, but it does show how ancient proto-Thai language does sound like vietnamese. Meaning yes, vietnamese language does change, but it's consistent with its ancient root.

    Given that Vietnam has 3 main geographically distinct areas for dialects, will it also not stand to reason that pronunciation will also differ?
     
    Indeed, but the 3 dialects can be understood by each other if they speak slowly enough.
    Cantonese and Mandarin are mutually understandable unless you learn either at school or write it down.

    Replies: @vox4non

  • @Smith
    @vox4non


    Since it is a living language, you can’t expect the speakers to keep it static can you?
     
    If it has changed, it can't be stated that it's the same. Chinese languages have changed in both characters and pronounciation, that's my point. And Madarin vs Cantonese pronounciation are clear signs of divergence, that the chinese change their language, heavily that it doesn't sound like ancient chinese anymore.

    Does ‘T’,’R’, ‘U’, ‘N’, ‘G’ each have any meaning or are they just to represent a sound? Only when you put them together do you have a meaning.
     
    T R U N G might not have individual meaning by themselves, but same for the chinese, if you take | out of 中, does the | have meaning on itself? The stroke is comparable to the abc.

    And since tones are such an important factor for a tonal language, it bears to reason that a lot more changes have occurred since then. Perhaps you may be seeing only what you want to see?
     
    I did a little digging on that, it's just proving that the vietnamese language is an evolution of proto-Thai language, combined with additional tones from chinese, that's interesting, but it does show how ancient proto-Thai language does sound like vietnamese. Meaning yes, vietnamese language does change, but it's consistent with its ancient root.

    Given that Vietnam has 3 main geographically distinct areas for dialects, will it also not stand to reason that pronunciation will also differ?
     
    Indeed, but the 3 dialects can be understood by each other if they speak slowly enough.
    Cantonese and Mandarin are mutually understandable unless you learn either at school or write it down.

    Replies: @vox4non

    I think you miss the main point. A language is to convey meaning through speech (sounds) and / or writing (alphabet / ideograph). A language can based on a phonogram or a logogram. A phonogram has only one layer of meaning through sounds as each alphabet has no individual meaning. A logogram has 2 layers conveyed either through sounds and/or the ideograph.

    The key point is that Vietnamese has changed from a logogram to a phonogram, thereby losing a significant layer of conveyance of meaning. Chinese on the other hand, since it has two layers, even when changing the sound of the words, the meaning has not changed.

    T R U N G might not have individual meaning by themselves, but same for the chinese, if you take | out of 中, does the | have meaning on itself? The stroke is comparable to the abc.

    No, Chinese doesn’t function the same way as an alphabet where you combine the individual letters to form a word. Ideographs have the basic radicals, and then there are sets of combinations.
    For e.g. you have the basic strokes: | _ ‘ ; from there they can form 亡 (die), 口 (mouth), 月 (moon), 贝, 凡; each their own word. Yet the words above can combine to form another word – 赢 (victory)

    Cantonese and Mandarin may have some similar words but for the most part are mutually not understandable. Even a simple phrase such as I want to eat sounds very different.

    • Replies: @Smith
    @vox4non


    The key point is that Vietnamese has changed from a logogram to a phonogram, thereby losing a significant layer of conveyance of meaning.
     
    You are wrong on this actually, because Chữ Nôm at it core does not follow chinese grammar, they do not have different words that are pronounced the same, but are rather based on pronunciation
    See this example:
    𦊚方𪹚𣼽𠄩京凭鐄
    Bốn phương phẳng lặng, hai kinh vững vàng.

    Note the 𦊚 = bốn = four & the 𠄩 = hai = two here. These two have no ideograph as the chinese language, but purely as sound.
    We simply replace the chinese word for latin romanization.

    For e.g. you have the basic strokes: | _ ‘ ; from there they can form 亡 (die), 口 (mouth), 月 (moon), 贝, 凡; each their own word. Yet the words above can combine to form another word – 赢 (victory)
     
    In the same way, T R U can be combined into word that has meaning. Meanwhile basic stroke like | has no meaning, just like the individual alphabet. You are arguing against yourself here.

    Cantonese and Mandarin may have some similar words but for the most part are mutually not understandable. Even a simple phrase such as I want to eat sounds very different.
     
    Exactly, which is unlike dialects in Vietnamese. Cantonese and Mandarin are different language, they just use the same characters (or sometimes not, as some of it is simplified), this is evidence of the chinese changing language.

    Replies: @vox4non

  • @Smith
    @vox4non


    The key point is that Vietnamese has changed from a logogram to a phonogram, thereby losing a significant layer of conveyance of meaning.
     
    You are wrong on this actually, because Chữ Nôm at it core does not follow chinese grammar, they do not have different words that are pronounced the same, but are rather based on pronunciation
    See this example:
    𦊚方𪹚𣼽𠄩京凭鐄
    Bốn phương phẳng lặng, hai kinh vững vàng.

    Note the 𦊚 = bốn = four & the 𠄩 = hai = two here. These two have no ideograph as the chinese language, but purely as sound.
    We simply replace the chinese word for latin romanization.

    For e.g. you have the basic strokes: | _ ‘ ; from there they can form 亡 (die), 口 (mouth), 月 (moon), 贝, 凡; each their own word. Yet the words above can combine to form another word – 赢 (victory)
     
    In the same way, T R U can be combined into word that has meaning. Meanwhile basic stroke like | has no meaning, just like the individual alphabet. You are arguing against yourself here.

    Cantonese and Mandarin may have some similar words but for the most part are mutually not understandable. Even a simple phrase such as I want to eat sounds very different.
     
    Exactly, which is unlike dialects in Vietnamese. Cantonese and Mandarin are different language, they just use the same characters (or sometimes not, as some of it is simplified), this is evidence of the chinese changing language.

    Replies: @vox4non

    Let’s set some ground understanding about language.
    1) All languages have a grammar which is a set of rules for generating logical communication. Native speakers of a language have internalised the rules of that language’s grammar.
    2) Every language has a lexicon, or the sum total of all the words in that language.
    3) Phonetics and phonemics are the study of individual units of sound.
    4) Morphology is the study of words and other meaningful units of language.
    5) Syntax is the study of sentences and phrases, and the rules of grammar that sentences obey.
    6) Semantics is the study of sentence meaning.
    7) pragmatics is the study of sentence meaning in context.

    Just to emphasise again, I am calling out on your assertion that Mandarin Chinese is a different language as compared to the other Chinese languages like Cantonese. As comparison, Vietnamese has undergone a more transformative change since it has removed one layer of meaning.

    Meanwhile basic stroke like | has no meaning, just like the individual alphabet. You are arguing against yourself here.

    You either misunderstand or choose not to understand Chinese. The stroke “一” is also a character (meaning one or 1), and it can be both a cardinal or ordinal number. E.g. 一个人 (one man). Isn’t it just a basic stroke yet it has meaning. Your reasoning is reductio ad absurdum.

    Even by your example, 𦊚方𪹚𣼽𠄩京凭鐄, apart from the 𦊚 and 𠄩; words such as 方 has a meaning regardless of pronunciation, meaning it can be understood regardless of region can it not? So therein lies the additional layer of information that a logogram has, and which Vietnamese has taken out changing from a logogram to a phonogram.

    Mea culpa, I left out words in bold:
    Cantonese and Mandarin may have some similar sounding words but for the most part are mutually not understandable when spoken. Even a simple phrase such as I want to eat sounds very different.
    E.g. 我想吃 (Mandarin: Wo xiang chī); (Cantonese: Ngo xiong sek). However, if you showed the characters 我想吃 to either group (or for that matter to any other dialect group) they would understand what you want. As compared to Vietnamese, if I were to show the old Chữ Nôm writing to a young Vietnamese today, would he understand?

    So far, you have only been banging on #3 which is the phonetics to assert that a language like Chinese has radically changed. Based on the 7 elements mentioned at the beginning, except for #3, Chinese has essentially remained the same (with some regional exceptions of course).

    • Replies: @Smith
    @vox4non


    Just to emphasise again, I am calling out on your assertion that Mandarin Chinese is a different language as compared to the other Chinese languages like Cantonese. As comparison, Vietnamese has undergone a more transformative change since it has removed one layer of meaning.
     
    Again, let's discuss that, because Chữ Nôm as its core is about using sound of Han to mimic the sound of Vietnamese word, while borrowing a lot of Han words that Chữ Nôm doesn't have. It does not have follow chinese grammar nor inherent meaning, with examples as 𦊚 and 𠄩

    You either misunderstand or choose not to understand Chinese. The stroke “一” is also a character (meaning one or 1), and it can be both a cardinal or ordinal number. E.g. 一个人 (one man). Isn’t it just a basic stroke yet it has meaning. Your reasoning is reductio ad absurdum.
     
    I'm talking about this stroke | but even if you say, some alphabet can be used to mean word too, such as the "ó" meaning Eagle in Vietnamese, it's a valid equivalence.

    words such as 方 has a meaning regardless of pronunciation, meaning it can be understood regardless of region can it not?
     
    No, you have to understand chinese in the first place for that. I can also argue that anyone who studies vietnamese will know that "ó" means eagle, regardless of region.

    E.g. 我想吃 (Mandarin: Wo xiang chī); (Cantonese: Ngo xiong sek). However, if you showed the characters 我想吃 to either group (or for that matter to any other dialect group) they would understand what you want. As compared to Vietnamese, if I were to show the old Chữ Nôm writing to a young Vietnamese today, would he understand?
     
    That's actually a good example of mandarin and cantonese being different languages, but sharing the same characters. I mean to this date, we have some french, and english words having different pronounciation yet still containing the same meaning (e.g. lion), yet french and english are still different language.
    On your challenge, if you bring up traditional chinese or ancient chinese, I'd bet that modern mainland chinese wouldn't be able to read it either. Yet, if you speak Chữ Nôm, we vietnamese can still understand it.

    So far, you have only been banging on #3 which is the phonetics to assert that a language like Chinese has radically changed. Based on the 7 elements mentioned at the beginning, except for #3, Chinese has essentially remained the same (with some regional exceptions of course).
     
    Except #3 determines how a language sounds, if you don't even know what a language sounds like, you wouldn't even be able to speak it.

    Replies: @Deep Thought, @vox4non

  • UPDATE: Boom. Mic drop. Nothing left but sunshine and a cool mountain breeze. So much of my youth was defined by this moronic war. So many of my people I went to school with were wrecked by it. It’s really a monumental event in my life to have it finally over. It’s been going on...
  • • Agree: vox4non
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @anonymous

    Better to be its enemy - then you know where you stand.

  • There are not really any possible optics worse than that, short of the Taliban hijacking an aircraft carrier.

    I SO want to see that!

    I can just see a turbaned Jack Sparrow at the helm, with a flotilla of American ships in hot pursuit…

    • LOL: Justrambling, vox4non
    • Replies: @Erebus
    @Ultrafart the Brave


    I can just see a turbaned Jack Sparrow at the helm, with a flotilla of American ships in tow…
     
    FIFY. No charge.
  • Coming up: the new Hollywood blockbuster on Afghanistan, “Bloodhawk Down”:

    Tom Cruise (it’s always Tom Cruise) is Major Bloodhawk, a brave helicopter pilot evacuating Americans from the Kabul embassy. Suddenly he gets a call from his old mate Quislinguddin in Kandahar! A girl threatened with marriage to an Evil Talib Commander needs rescuing! Tom pilots his Chinook – against official orders – to Kandahar, uses the rotor blades to break open the Taliban commander’s dastardly fortified residence, fights off the entire Taliban contingent with the help of his trusty door gunner…played by the guy in Jurassic World…and rescues the girl! Unfortunately Quislinguddin is killed by the Taliban commander just as the helicopter lifts off. Tom weeps bitter tears over Quislinguddin’s corpse, but the girl lays a comforting hand on his shoulder. He looks up at her and smiles. End credits.

    Oscar material, yo.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    And you won't get any credit.

    , @haha
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Well, you think you have written a piece of satire. Hell no, your idea is going to be stolen for a real Hollywood blockbuster. I expect a release date within six months. Now get cracking: Afghanistan-based movies, showing brave Americans fighting to bring peace and democracy and women's rights to Afghanistan will be the new genre. Remember to retain a lawyer to protect your royalties.

  • “Strategy without tactics is a long slog to victory, while tactics without strategy delays the inevitable defeat (attributed to Sun Tse) ” basically sums up the US’ experience in Afghanistan.

    I commiserate with the wasted lives of soldiers sent on a fool’s errand, and the countless Afghan lives destroyed due to the mendacious Washington DC.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @vox4non


    “Strategy without tactics is a long slog to victory, while tactics without strategy delays the inevitable defeat (attributed to Sun Tse)
     
    "

    I've read the translation into English as:

    "Strategy with no tactics is the hard road to eventual victory, while tactics with no strategy is merely the noise and commotion before assured defeat" (said by Sun Tzu, 5th century BC Chinese general).

    Well, the man did know his business! That first part of the sentence applies to the Taliban, and the second applies to the invincible U.S.

    Seems it's always the pattern with our wars. We know what fighting means, but we suck at actually winning.

    The Europeans who went with us into Afghanistan are now furious that, having dragged them in there, we couldn't stick it out. I've been reading that the British and Germans are really pissed. And no, we did not pay for their soldiers there, they did, out of solidarity. A lot of them were also killed. Now, all flushed down the toilet.

    Lesson for American "allies" (actually) vassals: Tell the United States to stuff it!
  • The first Taliban press conference after this weekend’s Saigon moment geopolitical earthquake, conducted by spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid, was in itself a game-changer. The contrast could not be starker with those rambling pressers at the Taliban embassy in Islamabad after 9/11 and before the start of the American bombing – proving this is an entirely new...
  • anon[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @nokangaroos
    @Smith

    China may not be willing (unlike the US they cannot simply print up Fx)
    to pay for all that´s needed, but the roads alone will be a godsend.
    However that´s the point: The US´strategic goal has always been area denial,
    and they will hope to achieve it by stirring up the müesli (again).

    Replies: @Smith, @SteveK9, @anon

    China may not be willing (unlike the US they cannot simply print up Fx) to pay for all that´s needed, but the roads alone will be a godsend.

    The Chinese are good at building infrastructure. They built a new city for Angola in exchange for oil back in 2010. Kilamba has 750 apartment blocks from 5 to 13 floors, over 100 commercial premises, 17 schools and 24 daycare centers. In sharp contrast with other cities in Angola(and Africa in general), it is modern with beautiful roads, street lights, electricity and running water.

    I learned about it from the book New Towns for Twenty-First Century written by two professors from UPenn. The book says that when Kilamba was first built, there was lots of talk from the West about it being the “ghost town built by China for Africa”. But by 2016, the town is 97% occupied with a waiting list of thousands more trying to buy in. The book says mention Kilamba to any Angolan these days and you will see the gleaming in their eyes. They asked the governor why it was called “ghost town by China”, and the governor said when the town was first completed and before they sold any apartment, CNN and BBC came in and did a story about the town and then never came back.

    If you Google “Kilamba” and look at the pictures, you will see lots of them still with the caption, “Ghost town built by China in Africa”, giving the impression that remains the case today. We are so good at telling lies in this country, especially when it comes to disparaging other countries.

  • Promising freedom, democracy and prosperity, America brings widespread destruction and death, but it’s all good, for the war profiteers. Since each Uncle Sam misadventure is a bonanza for them, the more, the merrier. Bring it on! On April 21st, 1975, I was still in Saigon. As the Vietnam War neared its end, there was much...
  • @aandrews
    My prediction is, things are going to get much worse very soon. China is going to blitzkrieg Taiwan. They'll never have a better opportunity. The bluff will be called. And the "full faith and credit" of the USD will flash evaporate.

    Replies: @frankie p, @One-off, @Colin Wright, @Goddard, @Truth

    ‘My prediction is, things are going to get much worse very soon. China is going to blitzkrieg Taiwan. They’ll never have a better opportunity. The bluff will be called. And the “full faith and credit” of the USD will flash evaporate.’

    I suspect China would prefer to absorb Taiwan relatively gradually and peacefully — ala Hong Kong. In fact, they may well have handled Hong Kong with an eye to the effect it would have on the attitude of Taiwan. No big massacres…it won’t be so bad…we’re all Chinese…

    So it’d be a matter of isolating Taiwan, of getting it to accept slowly increasing infringements on its sovereignty — and slowly digesting it. The stick will be there, but absent spectacular provocation on our part, it’ll never be used.

    • Replies: @mc23
    @Colin Wright

    Yes, you don't destroy a valuable object that you expect to inherit.

  • Technological advance in China is rapid, broad in scope and, one might suppose (apparently) incorrectly, of interest to Americans. It is also easily discovered. Subscriptions are not all that expensive to Asia Times, NikkeiAsia, the South China Morning Post, and Aviation Week. The web is awash in tech sites covering everything from operating systems for...
  • @Smith
    @vox4non


    Just to emphasise again, I am calling out on your assertion that Mandarin Chinese is a different language as compared to the other Chinese languages like Cantonese. As comparison, Vietnamese has undergone a more transformative change since it has removed one layer of meaning.
     
    Again, let's discuss that, because Chữ Nôm as its core is about using sound of Han to mimic the sound of Vietnamese word, while borrowing a lot of Han words that Chữ Nôm doesn't have. It does not have follow chinese grammar nor inherent meaning, with examples as 𦊚 and 𠄩

    You either misunderstand or choose not to understand Chinese. The stroke “一” is also a character (meaning one or 1), and it can be both a cardinal or ordinal number. E.g. 一个人 (one man). Isn’t it just a basic stroke yet it has meaning. Your reasoning is reductio ad absurdum.
     
    I'm talking about this stroke | but even if you say, some alphabet can be used to mean word too, such as the "ó" meaning Eagle in Vietnamese, it's a valid equivalence.

    words such as 方 has a meaning regardless of pronunciation, meaning it can be understood regardless of region can it not?
     
    No, you have to understand chinese in the first place for that. I can also argue that anyone who studies vietnamese will know that "ó" means eagle, regardless of region.

    E.g. 我想吃 (Mandarin: Wo xiang chī); (Cantonese: Ngo xiong sek). However, if you showed the characters 我想吃 to either group (or for that matter to any other dialect group) they would understand what you want. As compared to Vietnamese, if I were to show the old Chữ Nôm writing to a young Vietnamese today, would he understand?
     
    That's actually a good example of mandarin and cantonese being different languages, but sharing the same characters. I mean to this date, we have some french, and english words having different pronounciation yet still containing the same meaning (e.g. lion), yet french and english are still different language.
    On your challenge, if you bring up traditional chinese or ancient chinese, I'd bet that modern mainland chinese wouldn't be able to read it either. Yet, if you speak Chữ Nôm, we vietnamese can still understand it.

    So far, you have only been banging on #3 which is the phonetics to assert that a language like Chinese has radically changed. Based on the 7 elements mentioned at the beginning, except for #3, Chinese has essentially remained the same (with some regional exceptions of course).
     
    Except #3 determines how a language sounds, if you don't even know what a language sounds like, you wouldn't even be able to speak it.

    Replies: @Deep Thought, @vox4non

    Again, you seem fixated only on one element to define a language.

    [MORE]

    As mentioned earlier, language has these components:
    1) Grammar
    2) Lexicon
    3) Phonetics and phonemics
    4) Morphology
    5) Syntax
    6) Semantics
    7) pragmatics

    Again, from this list, how do you then categorise that based on sound/phonetics, Mandarin and Chinese are radically different? In fact, doesn’t different variations of the same word mean that they are dialects?

    I’m talking about this stroke | but even if you say, some alphabet can be used to mean word too, such as the “ó” meaning Eagle in Vietnamese, it’s a valid equivalence.

    Like I explained, Chinese lexicon and morphology (with a combination of self-contained and constructs) is not like the alphabet system of most Western language (where the alphabet by itself does not mean anything except when combined together to form words (except “a”). You are reaching.

    On your challenge, if you bring up traditional chinese or ancient chinese, I’d bet that modern mainland chinese wouldn’t be able to read it either. Yet, if you speak Chữ Nôm, we vietnamese can still understand it.

    Depends on whom you show to in which city. I was surprised that some young Shanghainese could still understand traditional script because some of them still read literature in the traditional script.
    So what, if spoken, as earlier discussions had shown that Vietnamese as a spoken language had also changed over the years. Again, as I said, if shown the old Chữ Nôm script to a young Vietnamese, would they understand? Writing as a medium helps transmit information over time and space better than the spoken word. And what medium are we using to discuss now?

    Also, given the beginnings of the bureaucracy from Imperial China, wouldn’t it also make more sense that at its essence the written word is their primary vehicle, and the spoken their facilitator? Thus the language allows for the form (spoken) to change, yet the essence (written) remains.

    This exchange makes me wonder if you are interested in having a discussion, or merely to demonstrate how obtuse you are.

    • Replies: @Smith
    @vox4non


    Again, from this list, how do you then categorise that based on sound/phonetics, Mandarin and Chinese are radically different? In fact, doesn’t different variations of the same word mean that they are dialects?
     
    I have been thinking about this, if they REALLY are dialects, then you should be at least mutually intelligible. For cantonese and mandarin, unless you write them down, they wouldn't be able to understand each other.

    Like I explained, Chinese lexicon and morphology (with a combination of self-contained and constructs) is not like the alphabet system of most Western language (where the alphabet by itself does not mean anything except when combined together to form words (except “a”). You are reaching.
     
    That again is wrong, I did a quick Googling on that:
    https://jalu.ch/languages/one_letter_words.php
    And for the equivalence in chinese, the one stroke characters are few. And some strokes individually like | do not mean anything.

    Again, as I said, if shown the old Chữ Nôm script to a young Vietnamese, would they understand?
     
    As you said, depend on the person, some young vietnamese who study Chữ Nôm might understand, just like one young chinese who know the traditional script.

    Writing as a medium helps transmit information over time and space better than the spoken word. And what medium are we using to discuss now?
     
    In that sense, if you romanize the spoken chinese to alphabet, you would be able to write it as well, and thus also be able to transmit the information.

    Also, given the beginnings of the bureaucracy from Imperial China, wouldn’t it also make more sense that at its essence the written word is their primary vehicle, and the spoken their facilitator? Thus the language allows for the form (spoken) to change, yet the essence (written) remains.
     
    I'd disagree here, as a person who loves speech and songs, the issue is that it is the spoken form that gives uniqueness to the language, NOT the characters.

    If I say Zhang Fei, even if I don't write it in han character, you still pronounce it as a chinese name.
    If I say 尼古拉 特斯拉, it's still chinese writing of a serbian name.

    This exchange makes me wonder if you are interested in having a discussion, or merely to demonstrate how obtuse you are.
     
    How exactly?

    Replies: @vox4non

  • @Smith
    @vox4non


    Again, from this list, how do you then categorise that based on sound/phonetics, Mandarin and Chinese are radically different? In fact, doesn’t different variations of the same word mean that they are dialects?
     
    I have been thinking about this, if they REALLY are dialects, then you should be at least mutually intelligible. For cantonese and mandarin, unless you write them down, they wouldn't be able to understand each other.

    Like I explained, Chinese lexicon and morphology (with a combination of self-contained and constructs) is not like the alphabet system of most Western language (where the alphabet by itself does not mean anything except when combined together to form words (except “a”). You are reaching.
     
    That again is wrong, I did a quick Googling on that:
    https://jalu.ch/languages/one_letter_words.php
    And for the equivalence in chinese, the one stroke characters are few. And some strokes individually like | do not mean anything.

    Again, as I said, if shown the old Chữ Nôm script to a young Vietnamese, would they understand?
     
    As you said, depend on the person, some young vietnamese who study Chữ Nôm might understand, just like one young chinese who know the traditional script.

    Writing as a medium helps transmit information over time and space better than the spoken word. And what medium are we using to discuss now?
     
    In that sense, if you romanize the spoken chinese to alphabet, you would be able to write it as well, and thus also be able to transmit the information.

    Also, given the beginnings of the bureaucracy from Imperial China, wouldn’t it also make more sense that at its essence the written word is their primary vehicle, and the spoken their facilitator? Thus the language allows for the form (spoken) to change, yet the essence (written) remains.
     
    I'd disagree here, as a person who loves speech and songs, the issue is that it is the spoken form that gives uniqueness to the language, NOT the characters.

    If I say Zhang Fei, even if I don't write it in han character, you still pronounce it as a chinese name.
    If I say 尼古拉 特斯拉, it's still chinese writing of a serbian name.

    This exchange makes me wonder if you are interested in having a discussion, or merely to demonstrate how obtuse you are.
     
    How exactly?

    Replies: @vox4non

    My earlier example:

    [MORE]

    As mentioned earlier, language has these components:
    1) Grammar
    2) Lexicon
    3) Phonetics and phonemics
    4) Morphology
    5) Syntax
    6) Semantics
    7) pragmatics

    Then you wrote:

    I have been thinking about this, if they REALLY are dialects, then you should be at least mutually intelligible. For cantonese and mandarin, unless you write them down, they wouldn’t be able to understand each other.

    I am judging by the above components mentioned earlier.

    That again is wrong, I did a quick Googling on that:
    https://jalu.ch/languages/one_letter_words.php

    I did say “most Western languages”which would generally mean those of the Western European ones like English, French, German, Spanish, Portuguese.

    some young vietnamese who study Chữ Nôm might understand, just like one young chinese who know the traditional script.

    And how many study Chữ Nôm, as versus the general understanding of the young Chinese recognising traditional script to its simpler derivative the simplified Chinese?

    In that sense, if you romanize the spoken chinese to alphabet, you would be able to write it as well, and thus also be able to transmit the information.

    The meaning in the logogram would be lost. You can’t seem to understand that in each logogram there is a meaning that can’t be transliterated to a phonetic based system. E.g 男 (Nán) means male but in it is the character 田 (meaning field) and 力 (meaning strength) given that strength is required to plow a field. So by simply saying Nán, you can assign a meaning to the phonetic but the extra meaning in its composition is lost. Moreover, there is also another similar sounding word 南 (Nán) meaning south.

    In addition, having homonyms (similar sounding words) can be confusing like the word deer and dear; or three and tree in the English language. And what about homophones (share the same pronunciation but not the same spelling) like write and right, or knight and night?

    I’d disagree here, as a person who loves speech and songs, the issue is that it is the spoken form that gives uniqueness to the language, NOT the characters.

    Therein lies your fundamental anchor and inability to see beyond what you hold dear. Since you are convinced yourself that the spoken form is the main form of a language, you cannot conceive of the idea that a language can lie beyond your senses. What about computer languages? These have no spoken pronunciations yet they run and operate the world through computers.

    If I say Zhang Fei, even if I don’t write it in han character, you still pronounce it as a chinese name.
    If I say 尼古拉 特斯拉, it’s still chinese writing of a serbian name.

    That’s not a good example. A name in any system would still retain the phonetic notes of the name, wouldn’t it? Nikola Tesla 尼古拉 特斯拉(Ní gǔ lā tè sī lā) is written as Никола Тесла in Cyrillic, yet still pronounced as Nikola Tesla.

    Let’s take a computer. It is written as either 计算机 (Jìsuànjī) or 电脑 (Diànnǎo). The first means a calculating device while the second means an electronic brain. The object is not merely translated phonetically like a name but instead, its meaning is determined in its logograms.

    How exactly?

    Again, back to the 7 elements of language. Yet, all you have shown is your limited comprehension and rigid view that the phonetics alone determine a language.

    • Replies: @Smith
    @vox4non


    I did say “most Western languages”which would generally mean those of the Western European ones like English, French, German, Spanish, Portuguese.
     
    Well, you can see the meaning of “e” even in Spanish and Italian, so no, that doesn't hold. The reason is because they all take inspiration from classical Latin.

    And how many study Chữ Nôm, as versus the general understanding of the young Chinese recognising traditional script to its simpler derivative the simplified Chi-nese?
     
    Why would that matter? To this day, I see that some zoomer chinese can't even write some of the harder word, let alone the traditional script.

    The meaning in the logogram would be lost.
     
    Yeah, and? Unless you specifically study chinese, those logogram would be meaningless to you.

    In addition, having homonyms (similar sounding words) can be confusing like the word deer and dear; or three and tree in the English language. And what about homo-phones (share the same pronunciation but not the same spelling) like write and right, or knight and night?
     
    That would be solved by having context of the whole phrase, even chinese can't accept escape the two cases of similar sounding words (Cao Cao) and similar written words (已 / 己).

    Therein lies your fundamental anchor and inability to see beyond what you hold dear. Since you are convinced yourself that the spoken form is the main form of a language, you cannot conceive of the idea that a language can lie beyond your senses. What about com-puter languages? These have no spoken pronunciations yet they run and operate the world through computers.
     
    You actually CAN pronoun computer language, because computer language is written so programmer can communicate with the computer AND other progammers can understand him.

    That’s not a good example. A name in any system would still retain the phonetic notes of the name, wouldn’t it? Nikola Tesla 尼古拉 特斯拉(Ní gǔ lā tè sī lā) is written as Никола Тесла in Cyrillic, yet still pronounced as Nikola Tesla.
     
    That's actually a good example, it means it doesn't matter how it's written, it still means the same thing, which is the reason I'm having this debate that the way to write does not neces-sarily change the language.

    The object is not merely translated phonetically like a name but instead, its meaning is determined in its logograms.
     
    This is the same in VNese too but that's the case where the object can be translated. When it can't, it will just follow the transliteration, like 馬達 (Motor). In that case, the phonetics is what matters, not the drawing.

    Again, back to the 7 elements of language. Yet, all you have shown is your lim-ited comprehension and rigid view that the phonetics alone determine a lan-guage.
     
    Maybe, but without phonetics, language wouldn't simply be. Imagine if you start writing Eng-lish via chinese characters, would it be chinese anymore? Nope.

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  • @Rich
    @Uncle Jon

    I bet you didn't do too good with reading comprehension in whatever inner city public school you attended. I'm not "thumping" anything. I'm pointing out that your taliban were hiding in the bush, afraid to show their faces except when occasionally they would slither out to commit an act of terror while the US was there. That's just a fact. Sorry. I understand you hate America, but that doesn't change the fact that the US was able to occupy and control Afghanistan for 20 years with relatively few casualties.

    Pointing out these facts doesn't mean I supported the occupation, I'm just pointing out reality.

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    I understand you hate America, but that doesn’t change the fact that the US was able to occupy and control Afghanistan for 20 years with relatively few casualties.

    That’s pure B.S. The U.S. never controlled Afghanistan. You don’t control a country and then have to lave it in the meddle of the night without telling anyone or even leaving a “I’ll call you note”. The fact is that Amerrica never controlled even a patch of land in Afghanistan, the country was controlled by local warlords for all of the time and Amerrica had to deal with them to keep[ the pretense it was the occupying power. You don’t control a country if you lose your grip on in in less than a week without even giving a fight.

    Your “we controlled Afghanistan for 20 years” reminds me of Von Ribbentrop’s statement when he was meeting Molotov in Berlin and they had to take cover in an air raid shelter because the alert was given that RAF bombers were on their way. He tried to reassure the Soviet Foreign Relations Minister that Great Britain was already beaten to which Molotov acidly answered “if they are beaten, when what are we doing in this shelter…?” If America controlled Afghanistan what are they doing huddled up and shaking in fear in the airport waiting for plane to rescue them…?

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  • @Smith
    @vox4non


    I did say “most Western languages”which would generally mean those of the Western European ones like English, French, German, Spanish, Portuguese.
     
    Well, you can see the meaning of “e” even in Spanish and Italian, so no, that doesn't hold. The reason is because they all take inspiration from classical Latin.

    And how many study Chữ Nôm, as versus the general understanding of the young Chinese recognising traditional script to its simpler derivative the simplified Chi-nese?
     
    Why would that matter? To this day, I see that some zoomer chinese can't even write some of the harder word, let alone the traditional script.

    The meaning in the logogram would be lost.
     
    Yeah, and? Unless you specifically study chinese, those logogram would be meaningless to you.

    In addition, having homonyms (similar sounding words) can be confusing like the word deer and dear; or three and tree in the English language. And what about homo-phones (share the same pronunciation but not the same spelling) like write and right, or knight and night?
     
    That would be solved by having context of the whole phrase, even chinese can't accept escape the two cases of similar sounding words (Cao Cao) and similar written words (已 / 己).

    Therein lies your fundamental anchor and inability to see beyond what you hold dear. Since you are convinced yourself that the spoken form is the main form of a language, you cannot conceive of the idea that a language can lie beyond your senses. What about com-puter languages? These have no spoken pronunciations yet they run and operate the world through computers.
     
    You actually CAN pronoun computer language, because computer language is written so programmer can communicate with the computer AND other progammers can understand him.

    That’s not a good example. A name in any system would still retain the phonetic notes of the name, wouldn’t it? Nikola Tesla 尼古拉 特斯拉(Ní gǔ lā tè sī lā) is written as Никола Тесла in Cyrillic, yet still pronounced as Nikola Tesla.
     
    That's actually a good example, it means it doesn't matter how it's written, it still means the same thing, which is the reason I'm having this debate that the way to write does not neces-sarily change the language.

    The object is not merely translated phonetically like a name but instead, its meaning is determined in its logograms.
     
    This is the same in VNese too but that's the case where the object can be translated. When it can't, it will just follow the transliteration, like 馬達 (Motor). In that case, the phonetics is what matters, not the drawing.

    Again, back to the 7 elements of language. Yet, all you have shown is your lim-ited comprehension and rigid view that the phonetics alone determine a lan-guage.
     
    Maybe, but without phonetics, language wouldn't simply be. Imagine if you start writing Eng-lish via chinese characters, would it be chinese anymore? Nope.

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    Yeah, and? Unless you specifically study chinese, those logogram would be meaningless to you.

    You are still so clueless. What is the purpose of communication (either verbally or written)? It is to communicate meaning. What the collection of sounds or strokes means, separates it from just a cacophony of noises or a bunch of scribbles, is that it has definitive meaning thus reason. So those logograms have meaning in Chinese because they are part of the language. They go hand in hand with the spoken.

    That would be solved by having context of the whole phrase, even chinese can’t accept escape the two cases of similar sounding words (Cao Cao) and similar written words (已 / 己)

    While I am no master of Chinese, I suspect your superficial and dismal understanding of it leads you to erroneous proclamations. A check would reveal that Chinese words in different tones mean different things, as in 操 cāo (exercise) ; 糙 cāo (badly) ; 槽 cáo (channel); 草 cǎo (grass). Even when words sound alike, as in the first 2 examples, the written words are different. And for the famous warlord Cao Cao whose name sounds repititive, when written out it becomes clear: 曹操 cǎo cáo. Even for similar written words, 已 (Yǐ) 己 (jǐ), its pronunciation is different. In this respect, Chinese has its logograms to differentiate homonyms.

    A phonetic based language has problems with homographs (words that share the same spelling, regardless of pronunciation) like row (propel with oars), row (argument) and row (a linear arrangement) and homophones (words that share the same pronunciation, regardless of spelling) like see and sea. The latter can be alleviated by spelling it out while the latter can only be resolved by context. This is what I meant when a phonogram has less data than a logogram.

    You actually CAN pronoun computer language, because computer language is written so programmer can communicate with the computer AND other progammers can understand him.

    Oh my god. I almost fell off my chair. On a day to day basis programmers share code and don’t talk to each other like this:

    [MORE]

    1: SELECT Person.first_name, Person.age FROM PERSON
    2: INNER JOIN PersonClass on Person.ID = PersonClass.fk_person AND PersonClass.fk_class = 12345
    Neither do programmers generally talk directly to the computers (unless you are using a declarative language as computers use machine language).

    As an aside, below is an extract on how programming is done:
    1) The programmer expresses his wishes by writing a program in a particular language.
    2) The language is defined such that it gives well-defined behaviour to programs. This definition is written by humans. The programmer makes (direct or indirect) references to this definition to figure out how to write a program to express her wishes.
    3) The computer does not a priori understand programs written in high-level languages, nor can it understand the definition of the language (which is typically written mainly as text in English or some other natural language). So a compiler or interpreter is written to translate programs in the programming language into code that the computer can actually directly understand and execute. The compiler or interpreter is written by other humans, who look at the language definition and the instruction set of the computer to find corresponding behaviour, so, for example, a+1 is compiled into addq $1, %rax or similar assembly code (which is then translated into binary machine language by yet another compiler, which is called an assembler).
    4) The compiler or interpreter is typically used via a high-level language, so it also needs to be compiled to or interpreted by machine language. So you use an existing compiler or interpreter (written in assembly language) to do so.
    —> Note: The programmers normally type this all in, and when discussing this, they address to the lines and code; not speak out entire lines.

    That’s actually a good example, it means it doesn’t matter how it’s written, it still means the same thing, which is the reason I’m having this debate that the way to write does not neces-sarily change the language.

    Again, you misunderstand this example. A name is unique in its sound and meaning (where applicable). So, to retain that sound, Chinese would use similar sounding words to tag that name. In the same application, for a country’s or city’s name, Chinese would apply the closest sounding word to it, when encountering it the first time. For e.g., London is 伦敦 Lúndūn.

    This is the same in VNese too but that’s the case where the object can be translated. When it can’t, it will just follow the transliteration, like 馬達 (Motor). In that case, the phonetics is what matters, not the drawing.

    However, in Chinese, it is the meaning of the object, noun that is to be transmitted, hence it is not a simple transliteration. So, the logograms do matter for a language like Chinese. Not sure why you picked up those examples (motor is 发动机), or unless you are using vulgar vernacular which simply picks up and approximate. Surely you are not equating this to proper speech, are you? It’s like comparing Ebonics to the Queen’s English.

    Maybe, but without phonetics, language wouldn’t simply be. Imagine if you start writing Eng-lish via chinese characters, would it be chinese anymore? Nope.

    (Well, what about sign language? Or those who were born deaf? How do they communicate then?)
    Regarding your statement above, it is non sequitur. You mean using Chinese characters to phonetically write English? You could, but wouldn’t you be still observing English grammar, syntax and language construction (Subject Verb Object)? In that case, you would be simply putting on a new skin but it is still the same animal. So, how is this argument against what I have argued earlier about language change. Unless you change the grammar and syntax and usage. Like I said, you seem intent on imposing a behaviour or characteristic that is not present.

    Again, I draw reference to the 7 elements of a language and ask of you to validate your original assertion that Cantonese and Mandarin are 2 different languages. Unless you can’t expand your mind to accept that languages have more varieties and forms than you can appreciate.

    • Replies: @Smith
    @vox4non


    You are still so clueless. What is the purpose of communication (either verbally or written)? It is to communicate meaning. What the collection of sounds or strokes means, separates it from just a cacophony of noises or a bunch of scribbles, is that it has definitive meaning thus reason. So those logograms have meaning in Chinese because they are part of the language.
     
    Exactly, so unless you have known chinese, these logograms have exactly no meaning to you. Then what’s the point? You would have a point if these chinese characters are inherently meaningful/intuitive for communication, but they are not, you still have to learn and memo-rize them.

    Even when words sound alike, as in the first 2 examples, the written words are different. And for the famous warlord Cao Cao whose name sounds repititive, when written out it becomes clear: 曹操 cǎo cáo. Even for similar written words, 已 (Yǐ) 己 (jǐ), its pronun-ciation is different. In this respect, Chinese has its logograms to differentiate homonyms.
     
    Except that’s my point, even chinese as a cannot escape homonym, just like your deer vs. dear example. Now let's deal with homograph.

    A phonetic based language has problems with homographs (words that share the same spelling, regardless of pronunciation) like row (propel with oars), row (argument) and row (a linear arrangement) and homophones (words that share the same pronunciation, regardless of spelling) like see and sea. The latter can be alleviated by spelling it out while the latter can only be resolved by context. This is what I meant when a phonogram has less data than a logogram.
     
    Except that is the same as chinese, it has homographs as well, if I just random say 王 (wang) do you know I actually mean the king, to rule or somebody’s surname? Hmm? Both sound and context are the same. Without context, even chinese wouldn’t escape confusion.

    Oh my god. I almost fell off my chair. On a day to day basis programmers share code and don’t talk to each other like this:
    1: SELECT Person.first_name, Person.age FROM PERSON
    2: INNER JOIN PersonClass on Person.ID = PersonClass.fk_person AND Per-sonClass.fk_class = 12345
     
    But is the above pronounceable? Yes, it is.
    And while they copy code, the programmers themselves talk with each other using slangs from programming language which helps give the idea and speed up the coding. If programming language isn’t pronounceable, that would be impossible.


    —> Note: The programmers normally type this all in, and when discussing this, they address to the lines and code; not speak out entire lines.
     
    So you even admit that they do talk in programming language, Jesus, I just write the above line for nothing.

    In the same application, for a country’s or city’s name, Chinese would apply the closest sounding word to it, when encountering it the first time. For e.g., London is 伦敦 Lúndūn.
     
    Uh, that’s exactly how Chữ Nôm use chinese characters too, using the closest sounding word to it.

    However, in Chinese, it is the meaning of the object, noun that is to be trans-mitted, hence it is not a simple transliteration. So, the logograms do matter for a language like Chinese. Not sure why you picked up those examples (motor is 发动机), or unless you are using vulgar vernacular which simply picks up and approximate. Surely you are not equating this to proper speech, are you? It’s like comparing Ebonics to the Queen’s English.
     
    But that is the same for every language, a noun carries the meaning of language, that’s why transliteration is possible in the first place. And no 馬達 is used commonly in China, and it’s even in the dictionary. Language is not meant just for the upper class.

    (Well, what about sign language? Or those who were born deaf? How do they communicate then?)
     
    They use sign language i.e. handsign, or shapes, the deaf can barely understand written words. And again, the deaf is a minority of the population. But I do accept this weak point.

    Regarding your statement above, it is non sequitur. You mean using Chinese characters to phonetically write English? You could, but wouldn’t you be still observing English grammar, syntax and language construction (Subject Verb Object)? In that case, you would be simply putting on a new skin but it is still the same animal.
     
    Oh my god, that is my entire point, you said Vietnamese is inherently changed when it switches from Chữ Nôm to Chữ Quốc Ngữ while I have said the entire thread that it is not changed because the grammar nor pronunciation does not change, just the way to write them. You just contradict considering you admit even if you write English in chinese characters, it wouldn’t change English.

    Again, I draw reference to the 7 elements of a language and ask of you to validate your original assertion that Cantonese and Mandarin are 2 different languages. Unless you can’t expand your mind to accept that languages have more varieties and forms than you can appreciate.
     
    Easy, most dialects are verbally mutually intelligible for different regions, just sharing some different pronunciations. Cantonese and Mandarin aren’t even mutually intelligible verbally, you literally have to write down in order to understand them.

    I think you lost this debate my friend, you even contradict yourself.

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  • @Smith
    @vox4non


    You are still so clueless. What is the purpose of communication (either verbally or written)? It is to communicate meaning. What the collection of sounds or strokes means, separates it from just a cacophony of noises or a bunch of scribbles, is that it has definitive meaning thus reason. So those logograms have meaning in Chinese because they are part of the language.
     
    Exactly, so unless you have known chinese, these logograms have exactly no meaning to you. Then what’s the point? You would have a point if these chinese characters are inherently meaningful/intuitive for communication, but they are not, you still have to learn and memo-rize them.

    Even when words sound alike, as in the first 2 examples, the written words are different. And for the famous warlord Cao Cao whose name sounds repititive, when written out it becomes clear: 曹操 cǎo cáo. Even for similar written words, 已 (Yǐ) 己 (jǐ), its pronun-ciation is different. In this respect, Chinese has its logograms to differentiate homonyms.
     
    Except that’s my point, even chinese as a cannot escape homonym, just like your deer vs. dear example. Now let's deal with homograph.

    A phonetic based language has problems with homographs (words that share the same spelling, regardless of pronunciation) like row (propel with oars), row (argument) and row (a linear arrangement) and homophones (words that share the same pronunciation, regardless of spelling) like see and sea. The latter can be alleviated by spelling it out while the latter can only be resolved by context. This is what I meant when a phonogram has less data than a logogram.
     
    Except that is the same as chinese, it has homographs as well, if I just random say 王 (wang) do you know I actually mean the king, to rule or somebody’s surname? Hmm? Both sound and context are the same. Without context, even chinese wouldn’t escape confusion.

    Oh my god. I almost fell off my chair. On a day to day basis programmers share code and don’t talk to each other like this:
    1: SELECT Person.first_name, Person.age FROM PERSON
    2: INNER JOIN PersonClass on Person.ID = PersonClass.fk_person AND Per-sonClass.fk_class = 12345
     
    But is the above pronounceable? Yes, it is.
    And while they copy code, the programmers themselves talk with each other using slangs from programming language which helps give the idea and speed up the coding. If programming language isn’t pronounceable, that would be impossible.


    —> Note: The programmers normally type this all in, and when discussing this, they address to the lines and code; not speak out entire lines.
     
    So you even admit that they do talk in programming language, Jesus, I just write the above line for nothing.

    In the same application, for a country’s or city’s name, Chinese would apply the closest sounding word to it, when encountering it the first time. For e.g., London is 伦敦 Lúndūn.
     
    Uh, that’s exactly how Chữ Nôm use chinese characters too, using the closest sounding word to it.

    However, in Chinese, it is the meaning of the object, noun that is to be trans-mitted, hence it is not a simple transliteration. So, the logograms do matter for a language like Chinese. Not sure why you picked up those examples (motor is 发动机), or unless you are using vulgar vernacular which simply picks up and approximate. Surely you are not equating this to proper speech, are you? It’s like comparing Ebonics to the Queen’s English.
     
    But that is the same for every language, a noun carries the meaning of language, that’s why transliteration is possible in the first place. And no 馬達 is used commonly in China, and it’s even in the dictionary. Language is not meant just for the upper class.

    (Well, what about sign language? Or those who were born deaf? How do they communicate then?)
     
    They use sign language i.e. handsign, or shapes, the deaf can barely understand written words. And again, the deaf is a minority of the population. But I do accept this weak point.

    Regarding your statement above, it is non sequitur. You mean using Chinese characters to phonetically write English? You could, but wouldn’t you be still observing English grammar, syntax and language construction (Subject Verb Object)? In that case, you would be simply putting on a new skin but it is still the same animal.
     
    Oh my god, that is my entire point, you said Vietnamese is inherently changed when it switches from Chữ Nôm to Chữ Quốc Ngữ while I have said the entire thread that it is not changed because the grammar nor pronunciation does not change, just the way to write them. You just contradict considering you admit even if you write English in chinese characters, it wouldn’t change English.

    Again, I draw reference to the 7 elements of a language and ask of you to validate your original assertion that Cantonese and Mandarin are 2 different languages. Unless you can’t expand your mind to accept that languages have more varieties and forms than you can appreciate.
     
    Easy, most dialects are verbally mutually intelligible for different regions, just sharing some different pronunciations. Cantonese and Mandarin aren’t even mutually intelligible verbally, you literally have to write down in order to understand them.

    I think you lost this debate my friend, you even contradict yourself.

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    Exactly, so unless you have known chinese, these logograms have exactly no meaning to you. Then what’s the point? You would have a point if these chinese characters are inherently meaningful/intuitive for communication, but they are not, you still have to learn and memo-rize them.

    And do tell, in order to write words or pronounce them, don’t you have to memorise them in the first place? Isn’t memorising the lexicon and syntax part of the process of learning a language? With differing levels of complexity for different languages? (For native learners of phonogram languages like English, another alphabet based language is of course easier as compared to a logogram based language like Chinese).

    Except that’s my point, even chinese as a cannot escape homonym, just like your deer vs. dear example. Now let’s deal with homograph.

    Except you miss my point that a logogram resolves this with its words/characters which convey meaning. And that a phonogram language has problems with homographs.

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    Except that is the same as chinese, it has homographs as well, if I just random say 王 (wang) do you know I actually mean the king, to rule or somebody’s surname? Hmm? Both sound and context are the same. Without context, even chinese wouldn’t escape confusion.

    That’s not quite how that word is used. 王 on its own means King, for a person you use 王先生 = Mister Wang; or 阿王 (āwáng) or 老王 (Lǎo wáng) = informal/familial addressing of a person surnamed Wang. To rule is 统治 (Tǒngzhì). Seriously, did you ever attend a proper Chinese class or just haphazardly make them up in your mind?

    But is the above pronounceable? Yes, it is.
    And while they copy code, the programmers themselves talk with each other using slangs from programming language which helps give the idea and speed up the coding. If programming language isn’t pronounceable, that would be impossible.

    —> Note: The programmers normally type this all in, and when discussing this, they address to the lines and code; not speak out entire lines.

    So you even admit that they do talk in programming language, Jesus, I just write the above line for nothing.

    It seems like you have a comprehension problem. I said programmers do mention code when speaking about parts of the coding but they do not speak as it it written like a natural language.

    Here is another example:
    —– C++ language example —–
    #include
    #include
    using namespace std;
    int main()
    {
    char pass[20], ePass[20];
    int numOne, numTwo, sum;
    cout<>pass;
    cout<>numOne>>numTwo;
    cout<>ePass;
    if(!strcmp(pass, ePass))
    {
    sum = numOne + numTwo;
    cout<<endl<<numOne<<" + "<<numTwo<<" = "<<sum;
    }
    else
    cout<<"\nSorry! You've entered a Wrong Password!";
    cout<<endl;
    return 0;
    —– C++ language example —–

    Do you they say, "char pass open bracket twenty close bracket, ePass open bracket twenty close bracket semi-colon" or more likely, "update char pass and ePass to twenty"? Or can you imagine them speaking the entire sample? Is cout or cin even a proper English word or specific words to that language?
    So, no, they don't speak in programming language anymore than someone who uses Latin phrases, quod erat demonstrandum, is speaking Latin.

    Uh, that’s exactly how Chữ Nôm use chinese characters too, using the closest sounding word to it.

    But that is the same for every language, a noun carries the meaning of language, that’s why transliteration is possible in the first place. And no 馬達 is used commonly in China, and it’s even in the dictionary. Language is not meant just for the upper class.

    My dear fellow, haven’t you been paying attention to what I said? Where there are unique names, Chinese takes after the sound of the name. For objects or concepts, they use the meaning of the words, and I did mention [unless you are using vulgar vernacular which simply picks up and approximate. Surely you are not equating this to proper speech, are you? It’s like comparing Ebonics to the Queen’s English.]

    Language is not meant just for the upper class.

    It is not about class, it is simply about proper language use. You seem to be confused between formal and informal language.

    Oh my god, that is my entire point, you said Vietnamese is inherently changed when it switches from Chữ Nôm to Chữ Quốc Ngữ while I have said the entire thread that it is not changed because the grammar nor pronunciation does not change, just the way to write them. You just contradict considering you admit even if you write English in chinese characters, it wouldn’t change English.

    You fail to understand that when Vietnamese changed from Chữ Nôm to Chữ Quốc Ngữ, Vietnamese had changed from being based off both the written and the spoken. So an additional layer of data from the logograms have been taken away. In the example of the English using Chinese characters, since English is primarily a phonogram, using the script of another language bears no impact. In fact, it has added an additional layer should it so wish to use. Where is the contradiction in my example?

    I am constantly amazed at how you can parse one limb off and use it to describe another organism. Are you like the blind men describing the elephant?

    Easy, most dialects are verbally mutually intelligible for different regions, just sharing some different pronunciations. Cantonese and Mandarin aren’t even mutually intelligible verbally, you literally have to write down in order to understand them.

    I think you lost this debate my friend, you even contradict yourself.

    Therein, you contradict yourself now when you have been maintaining that Cantonese and Mandarin are different languages yet now they are dialects? Haven’t I given an objective reference in the 7 elements that constitute a language, and asked for meaningful counterpoints. Yet time and time again, you engage in off tangent meanderings and mental gymnastics that fail to validate your original assertion. It is amusing to see how far you can twist into a pretzel, and then you come with a self-declared victory in your delusions. Truly, you are worthy of a study in delusions.

    • Replies: @Smith
    @vox4non

    First off, I’d like to apologize for the long time no post because I have been busy with video games, but here’s my reply:


    And do tell, in order to write words or pronounce them, don’t you have to memorise them in the first place? Isn’t memorising the lexicon and syntax part of the process of learning a language? With differing levels of complexity for different languages? (For native learners of phonogram languages like English, another alphabet based language is of course easier as compared to a logogram based language like Chinese).
     
    That is the problem, no? Chinese characters are not intuitive nor memorable than alphabet, thus thus its advantages (loxogram) are not so apparent since both kinds of languages do have similar shortfalls, yet chinese are much more harder to learn, compared to Chữ Quốc Ngữ. Language should remain accessible, not obstuse.

    Except you miss my point that a logogram resolves this with its words/characters which convey meaning. And that a phonogram language has problems with homographs.
     
    Except that it’s my point tho, even chinese logogram can’t escape homograph, which is the point of 王 that I made, without context, you still don’t understand what the writer/speaker means if they just write/spoke one word, exactly as the “row” issue in English.

    That’s not quite how that word is used. 王 on its own means King, for a person you use 王先生 = Mister Wang; or 阿王 (āwáng) or 老王 (Lǎo wáng) = informal/familial ad-dressing of a person surnamed Wang. To rule is 统治 (Tǒngzhì). Seriously, did you ever attend a proper Chinese class or just haphazardly make them up in your mind?
     
    That’s quite incorrect, no? If you are a chinese teacher calling his student or a friend calling another friend, he can just say 王! Without context, who know what it means? Also, 王 also means to Rule in older chinese, as example in the idiom: 不以王天下為己處顯

    Do you they say, "char pass open bracket twenty close bracket, ePass open bracket twenty close bracket semi-colon" or more likely, "update char pass and ePass to twenty"? Or can you imagine them speaking the entire sample? Is cout or cin even a proper English word or specific words to that language?
    So, no, they don't speak in programming language anymore than someone who uses Latin phrases, quod erat demonstrandum, is speaking Latin.
     
    That’s how slangs are formed, but it doesn’t change that computer language are perfectly pronounceable and the programmers do use them (even as slangs) in order to transfer their coding idea. You simply got caught into this one, very badly.

    . For objects or concepts, they use the meaning of the words, and I did mention
     
    Except again, there are cases where chinese use transliteration for objects as well, again as I said, with the word 馬達, these are not “vulgar”, not at all.

    It is not about class, it is simply about proper language use. You seem to be confused between formal and informal language.
     
    It is simply a formality issue, if I say 馬達, chinese will understand what I mean, regardless of what you think it is improper or not. Meanwhiles, ebon-ics are not understandable for some English speakers (like me).

    You fail to understand that when Vietnamese changed from Chữ Nôm to Chữ Quốc Ngữ, Vietnamese had changed from being based off both the written and the spoken.
     
    How? Vietnamese as its beginning is not a written language, it just uses chinese word to vo-calize its word, just like how you can romanize chinese word. The vocal part remains the same for thousands of year, if you say “lúa” to Hán Nôm speaker, they would still understand it means rice, or “cha” or “mẹ”.

    So an additional layer of data from the logograms have been taken away.
     
    How exactly? If I say the word 沒 (một), where is the logogram meaning?

    In the example of the English using Chinese characters, since English is primar-ily a phonogram, using the script of another language bears no impact. In fact, it has added an additional layer should it so wish to use. Where is the contradiction in my exam-ple?
     
    There’s a contradiction in your example because Vietnamese is a phonogram language too, not a loxogram language, it just uses chinese characters to vocalize the words, never mind the meaning of the actual chinese word it uses, like 沒 (một). In short, when you admit English wouldn’t change when it uses chinese character, but you don’t apply the same logic for Vi-etnamese, you already contradict yourself.

    I am constantly amazed at how you can parse one limb off and use it to describe another organism. Are you like the blind men describing the elephant?
     
    I’m amazed that you constantly dance around the point when it’s right ahead of you.

    Therein, you contradict yourself now when you have been maintaining that Cantonese and Mandarin are different languages yet now they are dialects?
     
    That's wrong tho, my point was that I do not consider them dialects because they aren’t verbally mutually intelligible UNLIKE most dia-lects. And precisely due to that, me think they are rather different languages, just written the same way (and even then there’s exception since they aren’t grammatically the same either).
    Again, my friend, you have lost and are playing dumb.
  • The twentieth anniversary of the 9/11 Attacks is almost upon us, and although their immediacy has been somewhat reduced by the events of the last eighteen months, we must recognize that they have drastically shaped the world history of the last two decades, greatly changing the daily lives and liberties of most ordinary Americans. The...
  • Sadly, I don’t believe we will ever know the truth.
    There will be the official version, and the unofficial versions. Buried somewhere in between will be the truth.

  • NEW YORK – Ever since 9/11, readers keep asking me my views on these attacks. I have been barraged with emails until my head spins with engineering studies about melting steel, controlled explosions, claims about nefarious plots, and wreckage analysis. One of the most colorful theories comes from Gen. Hamid Gul, former director of Pakistan’s...
  • I must admit in the immediate aftermath, I believed what the MSM was putting out. However, upon closer readings of the buildings’ sudden collapse and the Pentagon attack, I began to have my doubts.
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  • Mr. Soros has thrown a public sissy fit over the fact that he can’t make the kind of easy money off China that he was able to make when the Soviet Union was carved up and privatized. On September 7, 2021, in his second mainstream editorial in a week, George Soros expressed his horror at...
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    Yes, plus China’s seeming commitment to meritocracy, will make it the number one nation on the planet…soon.

    Excellent article.

    • Replies: @Randy Dazzler
    @Realist


    Excellent article.
     
    Seconded.

    Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir, @JimDandy

    , @CelestiaQuesta
    @Realist

    Nothing calls for the demise of western civilization than the rise of GlobalHomo, Mass immigration, diversity, CRT, banking and technopoly cartels.
    General Milley to his Russian counterpart: “My nuke is bigger than your nuke, hahaha”……(lisping w/fag hand jester) “so there silly”.

    , @emersonreturn
    @Realist

    wholly agree, thank you, michael, for a brilliant article, which i've freely, happily shared, esp. with soros woke friends & family. michael hudson expresses exactly what i've wanted to for years & struggled to convey. thank you, michael, i believe with this concise succinct gem you will begin to lift the woke from their terrible sleep.

  • Anonymous[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @reading
    @Rubicon

    I'm a machine translation reader. My English is not good. I'm sorry.

    Because Blackstone is one of the princes of the American Empire. China as a tribe under imperial rule. One of the princes must be chosen as master.

    If it satisfies all the knights of the empire, big and small. You'd be a whore with a venereal disease. He will soon die of illness.

    So he could only choose one prince as his mistress. This drug is in a better position... So Blackstone is the owner of China

    Replies: @Anonymous

    So Blackstone is the owner of China

    Actually . . . NO.

    To China, Blackstone is just another investor. Investors bring in money. Chinese really love money, so Blackstone is welcome. But the control is always in Chinese hands.

    In China, Chinese are ALWAYS in control. Outsiders can make money, A LOT of money. But money in China brings no power. This has historically been frustrating for outsiders who want to control things in China.

    In fact, so frustrating that the only solution for outsiders (British, French, Germans, imperial Russians, Americans, Japanese) is open warfare – because bribing, shaming, converting, or even marrying Chinese simply never works.

    But China is now back to its usual position in human history – extremely powerful and probably soon (not quite yet) at the top.

    War against China? This is suicide for anybody. Because not only is China in fact the largest economy, and growing fast, and not only is China a very cohesive tribe with a very strong state; they also spend so very little on defense (barely 2% of their GDP), and yet the U.S., NATO and Japan are already VERY hesitant to attack. China also has powerful friends – Russia, for one.

    If a relaxed China is not threatened by a tense collective West, who do you think will be standing after 100 or 200 years of a Cold War? The intense pressure is not on China to attack first, it’s on the collective West.

    “We” (I don’t support my government) must strike very soon to have any chance. In fact, even now, I think IF the West attacks, we will only reveal how powerful China really is. If the West doesn’t attack, China will just sit back, and grow.

    Even if the entire collective West unites (which it will not – Europe is already starting to distance itself from the U.S.), it cannot strong-arm China at this point.

    • Agree: showmethereal, vox4non
    • Replies: @The_MasterWang
    @Anonymous

    A full scale nuclear first strike against China has a good chance of succeeding. If they can somehow convince Russia to not intervene.

    Replies: @That Would Be Telling, @Anonymous

    , @derer
    @Anonymous


    marrying Chinese simply never works
     
    Are you sure?

    You will not see China initiating any military attack, like dimwitted Mricans elite think, but they will win by the economic dominance. USA squandered their economic dominance, because the post-war European brain is dying out and replaced by a generation of violence and drugs. One of that generation is even walking in the WH hallways - not Joe but his son.

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  • @Alfa158
    @Joe Wong

    Blatantly not true. Hungarian fences and border guards stopped migrants in their tracks. No welfare, no benefits and e-verify for employment will stop migrants.
    The US can’t raise its own third world heritage population up to first world living standards, never mind billions of people outside its own borders. You can’t drain the oceans no matter how hard your bucket brigade works.

    Replies: @Drapetomaniac, @Skeptikal

    Joe Wong stated that only jobs at home (in the migrants’ home countries)—and I would add, genuine political reforms and cessation of first world meddling in “developing” nations will stop migrants from heading to first world countries by the thousands. A few will always want to come, but this is different.

    What’s to disagree with there?

    • Agree: vox4non
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  • @Jiminy
    China spending a trillion dollars on the bri. No doubt the US government is scoffing, thinking so what, we spent two and a half trillion killing people. Shame there’s nobody with vision there to develop a bri of their own from America all the way down to Argentina. To get away from the tensions and killings for a while, if only for a decade or two.

    Replies: @dogbumbreath

    Shame there’s nobody with vision there to develop a bri of their own from America all the way down to Argentina.

    What do you think the American Empire has been doing in Central and South America since the 50’s….they have been trying to build just that. The reason it has not worked is because the American version requires ALL countries be subservient. No country can have Autonomy or Sovereignty. In other words, Washington and Wall Street decide what is best for each country. Are you really surprised this can run into roadblocks?

    The Chinese BRI encourages each country to have Autonomy and Sovereignty. There is no interference from Beijing what so ever. All deals are based on win/win otherwise there is no deal. No military or economic coercion is ever required. Stark difference from the US model.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
    @dogbumbreath

    You're right. It's "America's Dumbest Criminals" all over again. Some drunk guy kicking the liquor store door, disappears for a minute, then throws a chair at the window, disappears for a few minutes, then falls through the ceiling into the store. Grabs a bottle of whisky just as the police roll up.

    Meanwhile "America" blunders into Iraq, Laos, Korea, Panama, Bolivia, Libya, Pakistan, Ukraine, Syria, Sudan and spends trillions propping up the evil slouching toward Bethlehem, and killing millions of beautiful human lives.

    , @mulga mumblebrain
    @dogbumbreath

    The EXACT opposite of Yankee 'Full Spectrum' Domination.

  • @Philip Owen
    The Chinese workforce peaked in 2011 and is shrinking fast. China has to grow productivity considerably just to stand still. Xi is heading in the opposite direction in his bid to restore communism. The world should be worrying about China's weakness not its strength.

    Replies: @mulga mumblebrain, @d dan, @antibeast, @Anonymous

    “The world should be worrying about China’s weakness not its strength.”

    i.e. “The Coming Collapse of China”, version 385.

    • LOL: dogbumbreath, vox4non
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @d dan

    Version 1.0 in my case. Even after 2011's speech by Xi calling for a shift to quality rather than quantity, I was still a China bull. Now he is addressing political rather than economic concerns as his priority.

    Replies: @littlereddot

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    We should pick a few pointers from the Far East in controlling them.

    • Replies: @Cauchemar du Singe
    @vox4non

    Eastern Europeans, especially Hungarians, know how to control (((that group))).

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  • Anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t think there is a plan to launch a war against China anytime soon, certainly not under the Biden administration. The Australian submarine deal can hardly be taken as a sign of impending war as these submarines aren’t going to be even laid down until years from now and won’t enter service till well over a decade. There certainly won’t be any war against China in the traditional sense complete with amphibious landings of US Marines on Chinese shores to clean out the commies one city at a time and seize control of the country.

    Instead what we are seeing is the beginning of a well thought out process to bring China to heel via grand geopolitical strategy, with maybe a direct-action intervention as a coup the grace if the big picture unfolds properly. What is going to happen in the medium term is economic divestment from China as a manufacturing base by American and American controlled proxies’ multinationals and their reshoring or relocation to other low cost nations. Since the USA controlled or allied sphere includes just about every relevant nation state aside from Russia and China itself, this will have huge repercussions for Chinese economic and thus political stability.

    Political alliances will also be strengthened to hamper China’s ability to bust out of its immediate littoral and secure shipping lanes and resources globally. China is actually in an unenviable geographical position, as it is surrounded on all sides by nations that will naturally align with the American block in the coming geopolitical standoff, with the notable exception of Russia. It is also completely unable to safeguard the sea-lanes on which it depends for vital resources.

    The way I ultimately see the situation playing it is all of the above weakening the Chinese economy and creating social unrest, unrest which will of course be fueled whenever possible by Western intelligence agencies, corporations, and the general American dominated cultural zeitgeist. Once the Chinese regime is weak, I could imagine the West manufacturing some crisis to justify an aggressive attempt at all out regime change in China.

    That would likely happen by imposing airtight sanctions against China and completely closing off the sea-lanes to starve the country into submission. I actually could see China being able to survive such a blockade, but only if it is has access to Russian resources. However, I think it’s pretty clear that taking back control of Russia or at least forcing it into neutrality is part, parcel and prerequisite for America’s overall plan to vanquish China. Without overland access to Russian resources I don’t believe China would have any option but to capitulate in the face of a naval blockade and complete worldwide political isolation. Even if the CCP tried to resist to the last starving Chinese a la the WWII Japanese regime I don’t believe the coddled, consumerist 1 child Chinese populace would let it. China would have to surrender, whether through external pressure or internal chaos.

    What would happen to a subjugated China? It has the potential to be way too powerful if even nominally independent, so I doubt a puppet government of the type installed in Iraq and Afghanistan would be allowed to rule the country lest the puppet regime goes rogue. Instead I envision a return to the paradigm China has enjoyed for the better part of the last 1000 years: foreign rule and an imported managerial class and occupation force to keep the populace in check. That’s how it worked for centuries under the Mongols and that’s mostly how it worked for centuries under the Manchus until as recently as 1912. China is a kind of Mr Jekyll/Mr Hyde in that it has the potential to be overwhelmingly powerful and dangerous for world stability but at the same time the Chinese are rather timid people and acquiesce to foreign rule readily, much more similar to the Japanese in this way than to rowdy Afghans and Arabs.

    Here I must mention that India is likely to play a pivotal role both in reigning China in prior to regime change and helping manage the country afterwards, hence my interest in this topic. The USA would have neither the logistics or human capital to form the bulk of the managerial and occupation forces that would be required to govern a country China’s size whereas India shares a common border and has a youthful and rapidly growing population.

    In fact, India will have a massive excess of young men in the coming decades due to selective abortions, so the above scenario would be an incredible geopolitical and societal boon. A large chunk of these excess young men could be sent over to China to run the country, acquiring Chinese partners in the process. Unlike Anglin’s specter of “black-on-yellow gang-bangs” the Indian man/Chinese woman pairing is extremely compatible and already one of the most common and rapidly growing inter-ethnic patterns in the world, from HK and Singapore to elite universities and corporations in the United States.

    All that I wrote above is of course entirely hypothetical and most likely will not play out in the way I described. Still, any Western plan to seize control of China is much more likely to develop the way I propose than it is to involve an actual massive conventional war reminiscent of the WWII Pacific, so Anglin need not concern himself with the notion of white men dying in the Guangdong trenches.

    • Replies: @Mary Marianne
    @Anonymous

    That's a nice pipedream you're describing there.

    However,—
    1) the Chinese economy is no longer a simple low wage economy. American attempt to reshoring or relocation to other low cost nations through their controlled proxies’ multinationals will have little impact on the Chinese economy, as that is what the Chinese themselves have already been doing without any push from the Americans.
    2) You are overestimating your clout if you think that "the USA controlled or allied sphere includes just about every relevant nation state aside from Russia and China itself". Most countries surrounding China are uninterested in the USA, because you have nothing to offer them, except war and instability.
    3) Your plan to impose "airtight sanctions against China and completely closing off the sea-lanes to starve the country into submission" is not going to work, because the Chinese – not the USA – are the biggest trading nation on this planet. If you fxck with the Chinese trade, you fxck with the economy of pretty much every other country on this planet, which means you are going to create enemies on every corner of this planet. It's more likely that the rest of the world is going to retaliate by isolating you from the world economy, if you attempt such a stupid move.

    Have fun wallowing in your pipedream, the Copium must be really good.

    Replies: @antibeast, @haha

    , @Difference Maker
    @Anonymous

    You've given this much thought and I must commend your effort but I think you miss the forest for the trees

    We must first ask why would we even want to try to allow the American disease to flourish. But some points:

    1) China is rapidly ascending while America is declining

    2) Those invaders stuck around and so China is perfectly able to govern themselves and form a militaristic ruling class at the same time; in fact China was once known for good government which they may be able to achieve again over their vast population with modern technology, and it will be free from the West's wokeism

    I think you must be Indian to think there is simply another caste with defined characteristics to try to lord over. And not blanch at American ascendancy and its big gay empire. Because you were not thinking of that in the first place

    3) Following point number 1, in case there are doubts, China would no longer be facing western European derived first rate powers, and China has better human capital in matters of governance and the military than Indians and Jews

    Finally, East Asians seem to have better SMV than Indians, at least in the west, even though Indians tend to have more Caucasoid features which are an advantage

    , @Change that Matters
    @Anonymous


    the Indian man/Chinese woman pairing is extremely compatible and already one of the most common and rapidly growing inter-ethnic patterns in the world, from HK and Singapore to elite universities and corporations in the United States.
     
    Bollocks.

    Replies: @littlereddot, @Mary Marianne

    , @Daemon
    @Anonymous

    Why are you indians so god damn thirsty? You've reached the point where you're concocting an entire alternative universe scenario in order to get bobs and vagene.

    , @haha
    @Anonymous

    What a thought-provoking post! I have been scratching my head trying to figure out whether you represent some intelligence agency or whether you wrote it after overdosing on some fancy substance.

    The sheer length and laboriousness of the web of disingenuous arguments woven here points to some intelligence agency or the other, but the sheer silliness of the arguments and assumptions points to a complete lack of functioning faculties. Either way, I strongly suspect you are from India.

    Talk of "airtight sanctions against China and completely closing off the sea-lanes to starve the country into submission" shows an absence of functioning faculties as does dreams of "A large chunk of these (Indian) excess young men could be sent over to China to run the country".

    If closing-off sea-lanes and starving countries into submission was even remotely possible it would have been done by now. As for young men from India being sent to run China: LOL! - the stories I read about and from India do not inspire much confidence in these young men. Perhaps they should focus on building hospitals, schools, homes, and toilets within the Indian subcontinent and not try to knock down other peoples' achievements. Dreams of starving others are odd coming from people who have not managed to feed their own children.

    It is sad, truly sad, the way rounds of racist and nationalistic hatred arise all over the world every time someone bangs war drums.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @James Scott
    @Anonymous

    South East Asians are low IQ. Any group that evolved near the equator is low IQ on average. Indians do okay in the west because they cheat a lot and are very nepotistic. Ethnocentrism is extremely powerful in white nations where most people are individualists. This is why the powers that be are terrified white people are starting to group up politically. Its why all the non whites try to attack white people who behave like they do as racists. They know the advantage their ethnocentrism brings and they do not want whites stop looking at them as individuals.

    The Federal Reserve Note is crashing. It is what all the madness we are seeing is about. Al of it. Scarcity is coming. Then pogroms. This time the small hats ripped off the WHOLE WORLD.

    Chinese people are way smarter than Indians. The idea Indians will go to China to run is retarded. I have never met a smart South East Asian.

    , @Samoo
    @Anonymous

    Your reading of Chinese history is completely off…

    The Mongols for all their military prowess only were able to cling to power for less than 100 years. They tried to impose foreign rule on a Chinese population and were quickly driven off by rebel uprisings popping up everywhere.

    The Manchu Qing went to great lengths to patronize Confucianism and coopted the existing mandarin elite. That’s why their regime lasted 250+ years.

    After the experience of the past 200 years, there’s no way the Chinese will submit to another foreign yoke.

    , @Old Brown Fool
    @Anonymous

    When (not if) China starts consuming some of its produce now exported, it will boost its economy even further; there is simply no question of "air-tight" sanctions, like the ones that starved millions of Chinese in 1957 and after - your own population will scream at you for denying them cheap Chinese products, that alone make life bearable for wage slaves everywhere. And Chinese, unfortunately, clearly remember their "Century of Humiliation", so we can expect some good payback for all this "airtight" sanctions.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    , @Zen
    @Anonymous

    Indians pipe dream since 2010

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl0b2LGf9jM&t=1s

    India in reality

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixJgY2VSct0

    Indian Army training

    https://twitter.com/US93492643/status/1442104519807016966

    , @denk
    @Anonymous

    Every time an Indian gloats on the Chinese woes, I defer to uncle KUmar

    India today is an useful asset/idiot.

    The day China is kaput, India'd be the next bogeyman.
    Over night,
    The five liars 'human rights crusaders' would suddenly 'discover' genocides in Kashmir, NagalaNd, MaNipur .......

    pssst,
    unlike the fabricated Uighurs sob stories, those are the real deals in Kashmir etc.

    Be careful what u wish for, patel.


    The Boundless Informant comes as a wake-up call to the effect that what are Beijing’s woes today from the US’s containment strategy might as well be Delhi’s tomorrow if and when India begins to get its act together as a booming economy and world power.
     
    https://www.rbth.com/blogs/2013/06/12/india_and_the_boundless_informant_26047

    Replies: @Deep Thought, @The_MasterWang

  • @Anonymous
    I don't think there is a plan to launch a war against China anytime soon, certainly not under the Biden administration. The Australian submarine deal can hardly be taken as a sign of impending war as these submarines aren't going to be even laid down until years from now and won't enter service till well over a decade. There certainly won't be any war against China in the traditional sense complete with amphibious landings of US Marines on Chinese shores to clean out the commies one city at a time and seize control of the country.

    Instead what we are seeing is the beginning of a well thought out process to bring China to heel via grand geopolitical strategy, with maybe a direct-action intervention as a coup the grace if the big picture unfolds properly. What is going to happen in the medium term is economic divestment from China as a manufacturing base by American and American controlled proxies' multinationals and their reshoring or relocation to other low cost nations. Since the USA controlled or allied sphere includes just about every relevant nation state aside from Russia and China itself, this will have huge repercussions for Chinese economic and thus political stability.

    Political alliances will also be strengthened to hamper China's ability to bust out of its immediate littoral and secure shipping lanes and resources globally. China is actually in an unenviable geographical position, as it is surrounded on all sides by nations that will naturally align with the American block in the coming geopolitical standoff, with the notable exception of Russia. It is also completely unable to safeguard the sea-lanes on which it depends for vital resources.

    The way I ultimately see the situation playing it is all of the above weakening the Chinese economy and creating social unrest, unrest which will of course be fueled whenever possible by Western intelligence agencies, corporations, and the general American dominated cultural zeitgeist. Once the Chinese regime is weak, I could imagine the West manufacturing some crisis to justify an aggressive attempt at all out regime change in China.

    That would likely happen by imposing airtight sanctions against China and completely closing off the sea-lanes to starve the country into submission. I actually could see China being able to survive such a blockade, but only if it is has access to Russian resources. However, I think it's pretty clear that taking back control of Russia or at least forcing it into neutrality is part, parcel and prerequisite for America's overall plan to vanquish China. Without overland access to Russian resources I don't believe China would have any option but to capitulate in the face of a naval blockade and complete worldwide political isolation. Even if the CCP tried to resist to the last starving Chinese a la the WWII Japanese regime I don't believe the coddled, consumerist 1 child Chinese populace would let it. China would have to surrender, whether through external pressure or internal chaos.

    What would happen to a subjugated China? It has the potential to be way too powerful if even nominally independent, so I doubt a puppet government of the type installed in Iraq and Afghanistan would be allowed to rule the country lest the puppet regime goes rogue. Instead I envision a return to the paradigm China has enjoyed for the better part of the last 1000 years: foreign rule and an imported managerial class and occupation force to keep the populace in check. That's how it worked for centuries under the Mongols and that's mostly how it worked for centuries under the Manchus until as recently as 1912. China is a kind of Mr Jekyll/Mr Hyde in that it has the potential to be overwhelmingly powerful and dangerous for world stability but at the same time the Chinese are rather timid people and acquiesce to foreign rule readily, much more similar to the Japanese in this way than to rowdy Afghans and Arabs.

    Here I must mention that India is likely to play a pivotal role both in reigning China in prior to regime change and helping manage the country afterwards, hence my interest in this topic. The USA would have neither the logistics or human capital to form the bulk of the managerial and occupation forces that would be required to govern a country China's size whereas India shares a common border and has a youthful and rapidly growing population.

    In fact, India will have a massive excess of young men in the coming decades due to selective abortions, so the above scenario would be an incredible geopolitical and societal boon. A large chunk of these excess young men could be sent over to China to run the country, acquiring Chinese partners in the process. Unlike Anglin's specter of "black-on-yellow gang-bangs" the Indian man/Chinese woman pairing is extremely compatible and already one of the most common and rapidly growing inter-ethnic patterns in the world, from HK and Singapore to elite universities and corporations in the United States.

    All that I wrote above is of course entirely hypothetical and most likely will not play out in the way I described. Still, any Western plan to seize control of China is much more likely to develop the way I propose than it is to involve an actual massive conventional war reminiscent of the WWII Pacific, so Anglin need not concern himself with the notion of white men dying in the Guangdong trenches.

    Replies: @Mary Marianne, @Difference Maker, @Change that Matters, @Daemon, @haha, @James Scott, @Samoo, @Old Brown Fool, @Zen, @denk

    That’s a nice pipedream you’re describing there.

    However,—
    1) the Chinese economy is no longer a simple low wage economy. American attempt to reshoring or relocation to other low cost nations through their controlled proxies’ multinationals will have little impact on the Chinese economy, as that is what the Chinese themselves have already been doing without any push from the Americans.
    2) You are overestimating your clout if you think that “the USA controlled or allied sphere includes just about every relevant nation state aside from Russia and China itself”. Most countries surrounding China are uninterested in the USA, because you have nothing to offer them, except war and instability.
    3) Your plan to impose “airtight sanctions against China and completely closing off the sea-lanes to starve the country into submission” is not going to work, because the Chinese – not the USA – are the biggest trading nation on this planet. If you fxck with the Chinese trade, you fxck with the economy of pretty much every other country on this planet, which means you are going to create enemies on every corner of this planet. It’s more likely that the rest of the world is going to retaliate by isolating you from the world economy, if you attempt such a stupid move.

    Have fun wallowing in your pipedream, the Copium must be really good.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    @Mary Marianne

    Excellent comment. Here's a map of China's BRI and its trading position all over the world:

    https://www.clingendael.org/sites/default/files/inline-images/betl%26road_0.png

    Note that the 'green' colored areas signify China's trade position as either #1, #2 or #3 in those countries depicted in the map, many of which are developing countries whose numbers will increase further as the BRI gets built out. As China relocates its manufacturing industries to BRI countries, the USA will end up 'sourcing' its manufactured products from those BRI countries whose infrastructure is being built by China, precisely to connect them to the global economy.

    The US share of the world GDP has declined to about 25% since its peak of 50% in the 1950s and will continue to decline in the future. China's share of the world GDP has risen to about 20% and will continue to rise in the future, together with other developing countries in the non-Western World. By 2050, 7 of the top 10 and 15 of the top 20 economies of the world will be non-Western countries led by China while the USA will decline to either #2 or #3 spot depending on India's economic performance.

    Most US allies including Germany, Italy, Japan and South Korea as well as regional economies such as the EU and ASEAN will benefit from participating in China's BRI. Even US multinationals will profit from investing in those BRI countries once their infrastructure has been built by China. For the US Deep State to impede their participation in China's BRI is tantamount to committing economic suicide by those US multinationals and foreign companies alike.

    That's the fatal flaw in the 'business model' of the USA Empire which relies on the neo-colonial project of the US military invading and occupying foreign countries. But that 'business model' belongs to the 19th century which makes it obsolete today. The 21st century will be based on China's BRI 'business model': common prosperity based on mutual respect, bilateral trade/investment and multilateral partnerships. The recently announced AUKUS deal whereby the USA agreed to share its nuclear submarine technology to Australia is proof positive that the US Deep State has nothing to offer the world, except overpriced weapons which cause nothing but death and destruction as seen in the 20-year War in Afghanistan which the USA/NATO lost to the Taliban.

    As for war against China, the US Deep State is just making empty threats which it knows will not happen. The US economy itself will run out of 'gas' as the financial bubbles inflated by the Fed's USD printing deflate in the coming years. The US Deep State should worry more about what is going to happen to the USA when its economy collapses. The Chinese have already lost confidence in the US economy as early as 2008 when the GFC struck. That's why they have been diversifying China's economy away from the USA since then.

    Either way, the USA Empire is doomed.

    Replies: @Anonymous

    , @haha
    @Mary Marianne

    This pipe-dreamer is not American but, I suspect, Indian. The giveaways are obvious: wet dreams of US beating up China with India standing by the side enjoying the show; and Indian young men occupying China and taking over Chinese women. Very silly dreams even by the standards of dreams. Whenever the topic of Pakistan, India, or China comes up, these guys erupt all over spewing fantasies and nonsense.

    Replies: @Mary Marianne

  • @Mary Marianne
    @Anonymous

    That's a nice pipedream you're describing there.

    However,—
    1) the Chinese economy is no longer a simple low wage economy. American attempt to reshoring or relocation to other low cost nations through their controlled proxies’ multinationals will have little impact on the Chinese economy, as that is what the Chinese themselves have already been doing without any push from the Americans.
    2) You are overestimating your clout if you think that "the USA controlled or allied sphere includes just about every relevant nation state aside from Russia and China itself". Most countries surrounding China are uninterested in the USA, because you have nothing to offer them, except war and instability.
    3) Your plan to impose "airtight sanctions against China and completely closing off the sea-lanes to starve the country into submission" is not going to work, because the Chinese – not the USA – are the biggest trading nation on this planet. If you fxck with the Chinese trade, you fxck with the economy of pretty much every other country on this planet, which means you are going to create enemies on every corner of this planet. It's more likely that the rest of the world is going to retaliate by isolating you from the world economy, if you attempt such a stupid move.

    Have fun wallowing in your pipedream, the Copium must be really good.

    Replies: @antibeast, @haha

    Excellent comment. Here’s a map of China’s BRI and its trading position all over the world:

    Note that the ‘green’ colored areas signify China’s trade position as either #1, #2 or #3 in those countries depicted in the map, many of which are developing countries whose numbers will increase further as the BRI gets built out. As China relocates its manufacturing industries to BRI countries, the USA will end up ‘sourcing’ its manufactured products from those BRI countries whose infrastructure is being built by China, precisely to connect them to the global economy.

    The US share of the world GDP has declined to about 25% since its peak of 50% in the 1950s and will continue to decline in the future. China’s share of the world GDP has risen to about 20% and will continue to rise in the future, together with other developing countries in the non-Western World. By 2050, 7 of the top 10 and 15 of the top 20 economies of the world will be non-Western countries led by China while the USA will decline to either #2 or #3 spot depending on India’s economic performance.

    Most US allies including Germany, Italy, Japan and South Korea as well as regional economies such as the EU and ASEAN will benefit from participating in China’s BRI. Even US multinationals will profit from investing in those BRI countries once their infrastructure has been built by China. For the US Deep State to impede their participation in China’s BRI is tantamount to committing economic suicide by those US multinationals and foreign companies alike.

    That’s the fatal flaw in the ‘business model’ of the USA Empire which relies on the neo-colonial project of the US military invading and occupying foreign countries. But that ‘business model’ belongs to the 19th century which makes it obsolete today. The 21st century will be based on China’s BRI ‘business model’: common prosperity based on mutual respect, bilateral trade/investment and multilateral partnerships. The recently announced AUKUS deal whereby the USA agreed to share its nuclear submarine technology to Australia is proof positive that the US Deep State has nothing to offer the world, except overpriced weapons which cause nothing but death and destruction as seen in the 20-year War in Afghanistan which the USA/NATO lost to the Taliban.

    As for war against China, the US Deep State is just making empty threats which it knows will not happen. The US economy itself will run out of ‘gas’ as the financial bubbles inflated by the Fed’s USD printing deflate in the coming years. The US Deep State should worry more about what is going to happen to the USA when its economy collapses. The Chinese have already lost confidence in the US economy as early as 2008 when the GFC struck. That’s why they have been diversifying China’s economy away from the USA since then.

    Either way, the USA Empire is doomed.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @antibeast

    Sane people would think that controlling the #2 or #3 economy in the world to be preferable to reigning over a pile of war-devastated nuclear wasteland, even if it means "our" plutocrats (fuck them!) don't get to call all the shots for the entire planet. Perhaps they will come around when China offers them the same deal the Americans first gave to the Taliban twenty years ago: a carpet of gold or a carpet of bombs. Bombs long ago deployed though not yet paid for, Taliban still here and on the ascendance. Who were the fools now?

    Replies: @antibeast

  • @Art
    China has a hardon for the Aussies. To the Chinese people, Australia represents the English bastards who destroyed China with the heroin trade 200 years ago.

    Australia is 100% correct to fear a Chinese crushing in any future war. The Aussies employing nuke-subs to defend against China is an existential imperative.

    When are people going to get it – China is a bully – remember Tibet, the Uighurs, Hong Kong, Taiwan, the South China Sea Islands currently owned by Vietnam and the Philippines.

    The Chinese are not good neighbors or trading partners. It is the Chinese way or no way. Once a trade deal is made – extortion begins. Ask Australia.

    Australia-China Trade Tensions: The Great Escape?
    https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis/australiachina-trade-tensions-the-great-escape-July21.html

     

    p.s. If the Aussies had not given up their guns – the nukes would not have had to be employed.

    Replies: @raga10, @Deep Thought, @CelestiaQuesta, @vox4non

    Well, at least Karma is coming good and hard for the AngloAmericans. Laughingly, you are projecting what you have been doing to people all over the world. You won’t be finding a pity party when it’s your turn.

  • While visiting Sydney Australia three years ago, I couldn’t help but notice most all tourist shops were owned and operated by Chinese, even the shop where I bought by Crocodile Dundee hat. Although Zoo staff and Great Barrier Reef guides were all Aussie. I brought back a dozen scrotum pouch’s made from Roos (Kangaroo’s) as souvenirs, not realizing how symbolic it was at how Aussies have been castrated like most every other western people by elected and unelected criminal cartels run under the guise of a free and Democratic elected government.
    After reading Art of War by Sun Tzu, I feel relieved knowing one of China’s Great War masters would never use scorched earth tactics in battle that western military mights use, instead he teaches art of war tactics that preserve infrastructure, concentrating assets on removing the human virus causing disease itself.
    And since GlobalHomo, BLM, Antifa, Millions of invading hordes of criminal illegals would be put down immediately, I have become a big fan of Xi and the Chinese people.

    • Agree: vox4non
  • Our US troops are the best equipped military force in the world. While the majority of our forces are now gay, Black and/or transsexuals, don’t for a minute question their ferocity.

    Our gay special operation personnel will easily infiltrate Chinese gay discos. Our Black troops are virtually invisible in darkness and will attack at night. Women and transsexual soldiers will provide the bulk of logistical support, shopping in Chinese wet markets, while our other forces decimate the Chinese enemies.

    • LOL: haha, vox4non
  • @A Half Naked Fakir
    @littlereddot

    Thanks for the tip. I have a beautiful white wife, a dutiful chinky sex-slave, a Latina maid to bang if fancy strikes, an Indian maid to cook whom I would not touch because she is an untouchable and a healthy negress to work in the yard, who likes to work without any clothes on in remembrance of her ancestor, Kunta Kinte.

    P. S. My Chinese concubine only has one fault in that she likes to fellate right after eating hot Sichuan dog dish to cool off her hot arse on fire.

    Replies: @vox4non, @littlereddot

    LOL. Only an American incel can fantasise like you. Bet you won’t even dare to look wrong at the local tough. Any of the fantasised women’s brothers will probably have you fellate them.

    However, if you feel like getting yourself in a war with anyone else, please leave Europe out of it.

  • Democrat Chuck Schumer and Republican Liz Cheney are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. And still, they both agree that American military intervention is necessary all over the world. Sadly, the people they were elected to represent are losing faith in American values due to the proliferation of false theories and canards on social...
  • Isn’t it ridiculous how easily American jingoism can rear its head at the drop of a hat? Oh well, all good things have to end someday.

    While decent rational Americans can see the futility of these unnecessary wars, there is still shockingly a large proportion for whom military force is the be all and end all. And more disgustingly are the chickenhawks, which many politicians are, call for more war yet shy away at the flimsiest of excuses. Perhaps the best remedy for warmongering is to get anyone so inclined, male or female; young or old; to take up a rifle and go off into one of their endless skirmishes in Africa or the middle East. The USA can solve 2 birds with one stone, and continue their pointless expenditure of blood and treasure.

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
    @vox4non

    Ive said for decades that it should be mandatory that those who are supposedly in "leadership", when calling for war, must themselves man the front, taking incoming fire, or have a direct blood relation... such as a child, put there on point for the duration of the exercise. If they haven't any skin in the game then there is no reason for laying your life down for it. Better yet just give the president and the guy he's bellowing about two long knives and toss their ass into a cage fight. The one that exits, alive, can be the "winner" and we can all go home. Game over.

    Replies: @schnellandine

  • Most Americans do not know that in the United States currently there are approximately 900 Active-duty generals and flag officers to lead 1.3 million troops in the combined armed forces. This is a ratio of one senior officer per every 1,400 men and women. During World War II, an admittedly different era, there were roughly...
  • Nuts. Both the US civilian and military command, and the Republicans and Democrats. And a pox on all their houses.

    • Agree: Ryan2
  • Imagine being an Australian and being completely invaded by the Chinese. Like, literally everything in your country is owned by the Chinese, and they’re building colonies inside your country, because your government legalized selling national resources to foreigners. Then imagine that while you’re being told that it is racist to complain about your country being...
  • @A Half Naked Fakir
    As I retort to your moronic suggestion being an incel, I am getting a nice blow job from my Chinese concubine... as to living Europe out of the coming conflagration with China, no can do. You guys are in it deeply as well and a military partnership is just that: you go in with us and we do the same for you, whether we like it or not.

    Replies: @Deep Thought, @vox4non

    Hahaha. Dear boy, if one was getting regularly serviced, one needn’t boast as it would simply be a fact. Yet the harder you try to sound like a Lothario, you come off as desperate and reek of insecurity. Are you trying to compensate for something short?

    There was a time when wholehearted support was there because there was a clear and present danger from the Soviets. The Chinese are a mercantile empire, and they have been trading for their needs, rather than occupying and killing – which I must say the USA has been doing par excellence.

    In case you forgot, NATO Article 5 calls for a common defence if any member state is attacked, not joining in an attack. As far as I can tell, it is more likely that the USA, along with its Anglo poodles, will start one.

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
    @vox4non

    "Are you trying to compensate for something short?"

    Very short indeed but the tongue is sufficiently long and firm; the ladies do salivate at the prospects. But seriously, if the US and Anglos go in then the Frogs and the Krauts will have to join in unless they are planning to join the old Soviet team.

    Replies: @Deep Thought

  • The debate was monitored by Lynn Parramore, and introduced by David Graeber’s widow, Nika. Transcript: Nika: Hi, I'm Nika. I'm David's wife. This is an event in the honor of the first anniversary of David Graeber's passing, and then the spirits of his rejection of academic arrogance, and our urgent need to get out of...
  • If only the American citizens understood what Dr. Michael Hudson is saying about neo-liberalism, they would have a far greater understanding to *why* people are paid so poorly; millions are homeless; insurance, health care, mortgage/rental payments, auto/home & education have skyrocketed, leaving them heavily in debt.

    But, it seems the obvious, is beyond millions of American citizens.
    What a tragedy!

    • Agree: Showmethereal, vox4non
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Rubicon

    Hudson is definitely one of most underrated writers whose articles are published on UR

    , @mulga mumblebrain
    @Rubicon

    Cut the nong-nongs a break. They are brainwashed from birth, any sign of dissent is ruthlessly crushed, and so long as there are foreign 'gooks', 'slopes', 'rag-heads' etc to slaughter, well, we're still Number One, eh. And there is the 'enemy within', the other team in the political charade. I really think that the USA represents humanity's destiny, alright-self-destruction.

    , @Spotting the Elephant
    @Rubicon

    The biggest elephant that very few people don't talk about is the fact that there's a centralization of a nation's banking. And the first receivers of new money are governments and their cronies which they use that to inflate their assets

  • Meanwhile, for those of you who think I’m exaggerating about the USD money ‘printing on steroids’ that’s going on now (which is orders of magnitude worse than what happened in the 1970’s), check out the growth in the U.S M1 money supply:

    For those not in the know, M1 = (broadly speaking), the Coins and Notes in circulation PLUS Demand and Savings deposits PLUS OCD’s (other checkable deposits).

    The graph above only goes to the end of 2020, and thus shows that most of the damage was done under the Socialist Donald Trump.

    Yes MAGAts, and other Trump groupies, Trump was a committed fiscally reckless socialist that just happened to run on a Republican ticket.

    Of course, Sleepy Joe Biden has taken the reins where Donald J Chump left off and is continuing with the profligacy.

    Bottom Line: The USD, and the House of Cards that masquerades as the U.S economy, is done for.

    It’s going down for the count and, like the 1970’s, that money is going into gold and silver (only more so).

    For those that haven’t bailed out of their USD denominated investments (stocks, bonds, real estate etc), best to do so before your goose is cooked.

    • Agree: ruralguy, vox4non
  • Author’s Note: This article is effectively a short book. There are subheadings, so you should be able to read it in parts. But it was written in one sitting, so I am publishing it as a single post. It’s a personal record for most words in a single post in a single sitting, but the...
  • @antibeast
    I don't get why Westerners are so obsessed about China. They should care more about their own Civilization which used to be called the 'West' but now known as 'Globo Homo'.

    Believe me, the Chinese don't care about, much less know anything about the 'West' which has no relevance, significance or meaning to them. All they know is that Western brands like BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Chanel, Prada, Hermes, etc. are expensive luxuries which the nouveau riche Chinese splurge on as status symbols. Veblen call this socio-economic phenomenon 'Conspicuous Consumption'.

    That doesn't mean the Chinese worship the West or want to become Westerners. Heck, lots of Chinese students study in the 'West' but move back to China after graduating. Same with Chinese investors who buy expensive properties in the 'West' but move back to China where they've make their fortunes.

    That's all there is to it.

    Replies: @Smashed Squash, @Weaver, @TKK, @GeneralRipper

    Most Chinese people have a blunt, indeed brutal, honesty that sensitive snowflake Cancel Culture America could not stomach.

    I will never forget being in Sanya (China) and seeing a large gang of well dressed American girls prance up and down a little area of beach shops and cafes, decked out in their finest.

    Several dour Chinese shop keepers (actual Chinese women don’t look like anime characters) saw the girls and shouted:

    WE HAVE BIG SIZE FOR YOU!!!!!

    The girls gasped, shouted, one cried and one….whipped out her iPhone to call her dad and sob that – “Chinese woman was being mean to her! ”

    The Chinese women did not mean any harm. They are simply aware of how some American teenagers are now the size of Sumo wrestlers.

    These two cultures are as different as hot and cold, night and day. It is not even lost in translation- it is not translatable.

    • Thanks: Realist
    • LOL: Metropole, vox4non
    • Replies: @antibeast
    @TKK

    China is possibly the least 'racist' of all East Asian countries. Not saying 'racism' does not exist in China but if you want to taste what 'racism' is like in East Asia, try Japan.

    , @Deep Thought
    @TKK


    ... American teenagers are now the size of Sumo wrestlers.
     
    Christ! You are even more brutal than the Chinese shop keepers!!! :-D
  • @GeneralRipper
    @antibeast

    Actually most "Westerners" couldn't give a fuck about China, other than ordering some General Tsao's Chicken at the local Chinese carryout.

    You have it backwards my projecting little slant eyed friend.

    You play our music. You learn our language. You study in our universities. You copy our products. You mimic our style. You try to duplicate the great things we've already done etc...etc...

    Who's your Daddy?

    Replies: @Oscar Peterson, @mulga mumblebrain, @Fred777, @Munga Bulga

    “You play our music. You learn our language. You study in our universities. You copy our products. You mimic our style. You try to duplicate the great things we’ve already done etc…etc…”

    …said the Romans to the Germans once upon a time.

    • Agree: vox4non
  • @ChineseMom
    https://www.163.com/dy/article/GLLNQO6B0536Q9ID.html?f=post1603_tab_news
    The article in the link(title translates in English is Sino-U.S. Relations: The collapse of U.S. Soft Power in China and its "Great Decoupling" ) was written by an influential Chinese online we-media political writer. I think the author accurately tells the feelings and thoughts of Chinese elites toward the West and how they are changed.

    Basically, Chinese elites whole heartedly embraced the West until Trump started the trade war and what happened afterwards: ban on Huawei, Hong Kong riots and western governments and media’s support of it, Trump and his administration’s unfair attacks on China and the chaotic presidential election, the pandemic, western media’s lies and attacks on China. All these events are eye opening and very educational to the naive Chinese elites. I joined my college alumni WeChat group in early 2017. At the beginning, I was shocked by my schoolmates’ ignorance about the West and western democracy, and how pro-West they are. Many of these schoolmates have been living in the US for decades. Four years of Trump presidency and this pandemic changed all of that.

    Replies: @mulga mumblebrain, @RichardDuck, @littlereddot, @Chinaman

    It has been my own experience that Chinese people were more open to the West than the people around me in the West are to the Chinese. That was in 2012 when I lived and traveled on my own in China for a few months. Many more Chinese can read English than the opposite. Chinese are really friendly and warm people. They are very curious about the West. So as ChineseMom says it is very hard to understand all the negative rhetorics going on in Western media against China. The Trump sanctions, the interference in China internal affairs are all very unfriendly.

    Obviously the unfriendly Western actions are basically the result of fear, and how fear can be appeased if Western people don’t learn more about China by going there? We have powerful media but but it’s not enough to review the news; one needs to live in a country to really understand it. The Chinese people we meet in the West are not representative of the Chinese living in China; they are already “westernized”. The new China is a new world to discover, not something one needs to be afraid of. The Chinese themselves are discovering their new nountry.

    The hope is that people take it on themselves to learn instead of leaving it to the media and the politicians to shape their minds.

    • Thanks: vox4non
    • Replies: @dogbumbreath
    @RichardDuck


    The hope is that people take it on themselves to learn instead of leaving it to the media and the politicians to shape their minds.
     
    Don't be so naive and idealistic. Most Americans won't even go to Mexico to learn the truth and how many years have they been neighbors? Regardless of where you live, naivety will get you in trouble. ALL criminals target the naive and the US Government is lead by criminals.

    Replies: @RichardDuck

  • If I had to guess, this is an attempt to look less ridiculous to the Europeans. BBC News: The whole Australian-French-US-UK submarine fiasco, and the weird saber-rattling that followed, kind of made America look as insane as its leadership actually is. If America is really planning on stirring up some kind of serious conflict with...
  • Perfidy is the US’ stock in trade (or is it the oligarchy – it’s so hard to distinguish the two).

    Bringing up a similar case:
    GE, via USA, had tried to obtain Alstom back in 2014 but they were not successful:
    https://www.ft.com/content/7727582c-f0b6-11e3-9e26-00144feabdc0

    So I guessed they tried subterfuge and lies to get what they wanted eventually.

    Also to note:
    [quote] That facilitated the buyout of 70 per cent of Alstom by its main American competitor General Electric, blocking a potential merger between Alstom and Shanghai Electric Company,” he added. [/quote] as per Mr Frederic Pierucci
    https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/former-exec-of-french-firm-alstom-yesterday-alstom-today-huawei-and-tomorrow

    Doesn’t it raise an eyebrow when the bulk of the US laws are applied against others outside its jurisdiction, unless the USA claims sovereignty over them:
    [quote] Pierre Laporte, a former GE lawyer who now works as Pierucci’s partner, notes that 70% of firms targeted for US anti-bribery action are foreign – notably European. The FCPA and other laws that apply beyond US borders, Laporte says, are “tools of economic domination”. [/quote]
    https://www.economist.com/business/2019/01/17/how-the-american-takeover-of-a-french-national-champion-became-intertwined-in-a-corruption-investigation

    So for all the talk about laws and fairness, it seems like the USA only truth is this, “Do as I say, not as I do.”

  • This is part of our continuing series of accounts by readers of how they shed the illusions of liberalism and became race realists. First published in 2015 on Counter-Currents, this essay is the introduction to Gregory Hood’s book, Waking Up From the American Dream. I always felt cheated. It wasn’t because I lacked for anything....
  • Well, yeah, but you ignored the fact that to be White, ya GOTTA be Protestant. I went to a Catholic grade school, so I never really encountered “racist” White boys ’til I got to high school. Public high schools are of course FILLED with anti-Catholic Protestants. And they’re the majority, and they know that it’s THEIR school.

    I went to a Catholic college, but as soon as I went looking for a job, it was back to being, “You’re CATHOLIC?! NOBODY is still CATHOLIC.” And of course the Fundamentalist Protestants were the pushiest. So the group agrees we’ll say Grace before Lunch, and “Grace” of course means PROTESTANT Grace. They were SERIOUSLY offended when it was my turn and I said the Catholic version. I think we simply STOPPED saying Grace after that. And of course the Catholic version of the “Our Father” is also different.

    And Protestants get SERIOUSLY worked up about deviations from THEIR version of stuff.

    But, yeah. Up until Negroes had enough social clout to be NOTICED, “discrimination” was entirely a Protestant-Catholic thing. So we had our Boy Scout troops, and they had theirs. I think there was even a separate “lodge” of the Order of the Arrow for Catholics.

    So there was always this unspoken idea that any organization that was not EXPLICITLY Catholic was run by and for Fundamentalist Christians. I never dealt with enough Jews to hear the Jewish version of “NOT being Protestant in public”. I assume they learnt at a young age to simply smile a lot and keep their mouths shut.

    Oh, a reason to hate Germans was/is that THEY’RE Catholic. (Adolf was a Catholic and was known to sneak into church to attend Midnight Mass for Christmas.) The majority is of course some flavor of Protestant, typically Lutheran. When he turned 15 or so, Goering’s mom told him he had to finally decide whether he was a Catholic or not, and Hermann picked Lutheran.

    • Agree: Fr. John
    • Thanks: vox4non
    • Replies: @Fr. John
    @Vinnie O

    I agree with the post about being America being Protestant, but that doesn't mean I agree with the poster that his 'Catholi-Schism' is the true faith, either!

    Both the Prots and the RC's are in error, and have been for a thousand years. It's called the Filioque, and the inversion of the ordo theologicae, fully laid at the feet of the Augustinians who followed Augustine. Read Farrell's "God, History, and Dialectic" to understand it all.

    Neither cult (and yes, they are both cults) can claim 'catholicity' or 'orthodoxy' as they stand, today.
    So, why are you bitchin,' as my dad used to say?

    America WAS BOTH White and Protestant- but not the heretical mish-mash it is, today.
    Honest Protestantism, that saw law as well as grace coming from God.
    Honest, that saw loving your neighbor as coming from a shared Ethnicity.
    Honest, in that it saw that nothing but a plot to rule the world, was what suffused the Papal mindset. And were disgusted by any 'cat=lick' who thought they could do the same to the USA.

    Then we got the same thing with the various foreign Missions Societies of the Prots. All of the anti-catholic reductionistic fools: BAPTISTS, METHODISTS, EVANGELICALS, ETC.
    They decided to 'jump on the bandwagon' and 'conquer the world for Christ,' never once stopping to think that Christ NEVER said the Chinaman, the Amerindian, NOR the Black were EVER to be the People of God. Just the Hellene (i.e., European) and the Judean (i.e., the fair, non-Ashkenazic) residents of Palestine, circa AD 70. NOT ONE OTHER.

    At least the Orthodox kept their religion and their race together, and separate. So, too did the non-Baptistic Prots (The Norwegian Lutheran Synod, the Swedish [Augustana] Lutheran Synod, the Danish Lutheran synod, the German LCMS, etc.) It's only when the Prots started playing the 'let's 'convert' the pagan babies, that we went down the tubes.

    And you would have thought that the praxis of the former adherents of the Covenant (i.e, the Jews) now superseded by the Church, would have taught us something about all of this... but no.

    You want to have a 'catholic' America? We have it now- it's called 'Hispanic' America. No, gracias, señor! I'd rather be an Orthodox minority Christian living in a self-aware Protestant White Ethnostate, than live in this multicultural, multiracial hellhole we now call, 'America.'

    Replies: @anarchyst

    , @Emslander
    @Vinnie O


    Public high schools are of course FILLED with anti-Catholic Protestants. And they’re the majority, and they know that it’s THEIR school.
     
    Yes, those Protestant boys used to try that with us Catholic boys and then we just kicked the shit out of them. They became amazingly ecumenical after that.
    , @Robert Dolan
    @Vinnie O

    Funny how this old antagonism just won't go away.

    I see the issue in the opposite way. My experience tells me that it's the Catholics that have the hard on for Protestants, and Catholics supporting the jews to push the anti-white agenda.

    It's Catholics pushing for open borders and mass immigration, just like the jews.

    It's Catholic shitheads accepting jewish liberalism and abortion.

    It's Catholics on the Supreme Court voting to support every bit of degeneracy the jews can come up with.

    It's Catholics voting left 85% of the time.

    TBH, I think Catholics have some of the same jealousy and spitefulness as the jews, hating the WASP just for the hell of it.

    Replies: @Sir Launcelot Canning, @TKK, @anarchyst, @SolontoCroesus

  • A rather moving and interesting account of the author’s ideological roots.

    I think political scientists have often argued that nationalism usually arises out of common resistance to attacks or oppression. For example, Napoleon’s repeated invasions and occupations of the various German states was probably a major factor behind the subsequent rise of strong German nationalism.

    Obviously the same may be true on the individual level, with the endless activist attacks and humiliations inflicted upon white students on some college campuses giving rise to White Nationalist sentiments, thereby demonstrating the enormously counter-productive impact of all these crazy PC policies and Wokeness.

    I got the impression that the author grew up on the East Coast and probably went to college there as well. Therefore, it doesn’t surprise me that all the groups that so enraged and offended him were black-activist types. I noticed that he didn’t even seem to say anything about Asians or Hispanics, who together probably outnumber blacks 2-to-1 nationwide, at least among the more youthful age cohorts.

    I live in California, where blacks are 6% of the population and Asians+Hispanics 55%, and I’ve never heard anything like this about the behavior of those latter groups. I strongly suspect that’s a big part of the reason that there seems to be almost zero White Nationalist sentiment in California, despite whites now having become a shrinking minority of the population over just the last generation or two. For those interested, here’s a long article of mine from a decade ago that provides some quantitative analysis of these issues:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

    What I’m about to say may sound extremely odd, but I’ve long suspected that “White Nationalism” itself is almost a PC-type sublimation of other sentiments. When black-activists constantly denounce or harangue you, and you feel their group unfairly benefits from Affirmative Action, you naturally become increasingly hostile towards them. But the notion of being “anti-black” has become so deeply stigmatized under modern cultural indoctrination, that the individuals instead prefer to think of themselves as “pro-white.” Meanwhile, immigrant groups relatively free from media brainwashing are sometimes much more candid in their sentiments.

    • Agree: vox4non, JWalters, chris
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Ron Unz


    But the notion of being “anti-black” has become so deeply stigmatized under modern cultural indoctrination, that the individuals instead prefer to think of themselves as “pro-white.”
     
    You are correct with that assessment.

    In Western European countries over at least the last 10 years diversity laws have made it obligatory for companies to have a certain percentage of Blacks on their workforces.

    In one particular Western European country in which I worked for a few years pre-Covid I had interactions with Black clerical workers. What I can say about them is that they were all incompetent, and some of them atrociously so.

    Worst than this, the most incompetent ones were unbelievably arrogant and narcissistic. Other White people who had to interact and work with Blacks also found them to be nauseously incapable, as well as finding them to have extraordinarily high levels of narcissism.

    What I found out later on was that managers that hired Blacks didn’t have any expectations in regards to the input they were going to make to their companies. They basically hired them for no other reason than it was illegal to not have a certain percentage of them in the workforce.

    A lot of Black clerical workers simply showed up at the office and spent the day playing on social media – the companies were glad to have them do this, as it meant they were not making a mess of some job or other, or obstructing or hindering the other workers.

    Shops, supermarkets, nightclubs and bars in Western Europe, particularly Britain, will almost always have Black door-men and security staff. High levels of low-intelligence narcissism and authority over the entrance to a business premises don’t mix. What’s pertinent here is that a lot of the Blacks in Western Europe are straight-out-of-Africa and are full-blooded. I’ve found them to be much more unpleasant than the Negros I had gotten used to in the US.

    (I was liaising with an architect on a construction site at one stage. Whenever I went to meet this architect at the site I’d notice that there were always six Blacks with high vis jackets manning the main entrance. Most construction sites can make do with just one security person on the main entrance to control the entrance and exit of traffic. So, one evening while having a drink with the architect and some of his colleagues I enquired as to why there were six of them on the gate. The architect responded: “We had to hire six to comply with local diversity laws and putting the lot of them on the entrance is where we believe they’ll do the least damage.)

    In Western Europe I had my first experiences of interacting and working with Blacks in clerical settings, and I’m not exaggerating when I say: I still find it hard to believe how generally dumb they collectively proved to be. To say nothing of the high levels of narcissism I have experienced from some of them – there were definite signs of personality disorders in quite a few of the Blacks I encountered in Europe.

    Over the last few years advertising in Western Europe has taken a turn for the worst. In all types of advertising, Blacks predominate. The couples which are mostly shown in British advertising are Blacks with White girlfriends/wives and Mulatto children. Then there’s European TV shows and movies, even historical dramas set in the 16th century will have Blacks playing the lead roles – not only will they be out of place but they are generally disgustingly bad actors.

    The upshot of this is that over the last 5 years in Western Europe, Blacks have been suddenly thrown into people’s faces on a scale never before experienced – I think the same can be said for the US. I know from having spoken with Whites in Western Europe that they’ve had the same shock as I’ve had when they experienced for the first time how Blacks can be so dramatically dull, childish, incompetent and dangerously narcissistic, all of which can be rolled up into the one biological unit, and you never knew which one was going to burst forth and come at you.

    People generally ignore Blacks until they have these types of experiences with them. Then, perhaps like me, they do research on them. And they find that Blacks actually don’t have brain function on the same level as Whites or Asians. The Negro brain and cranium are actually biologically different. Negros have a much lower facility for abstract thought than do Whites – that’s if full-blooded Negros have any ability for it at all. They view kindness and civility in Whites as being a weakness, and in a lot of cases will try to take advantage of this perceived vulnerability.

    Another aspect of the endless rounds of attention Blacks have been getting over the last 5 years in Western Europe is that it has actually made them self-important and more in other people’s faces.

    I knew a moron once who won $60,000 (it was a lot of money at the time) and he thought that this automatically propelled him upwards a few ranks in society. So, he started frequenting more upmarket social venues that hitherto he had stayed away from. It took the moron a short while to understand that no matter how much money he had, the people he was trying to ingratiate himself with were simply not going to entertain him.

    I believe that the massive amount of attention the Blacks have gotten over the last few years has led them to have notions along the lines of the above moron. They’ve been arrogant, incompetent and narcissistic all along but, like a psychopath learns to fake emotions, they mostly kept these traits hidden. But now due to the endless attention and molly-coddling they are receiving from all echelons of society, they’ve come to believe they can put their true traits on display, and that Whites have a duty to accept them in whatever guise they choose to present themselves as.

    Which is something I believe that is going to backfire on them big-time.

    Anyway, much like you’ve said, I’d bet that quite a lot of Whites out there can’t stand Blacks and would love to see the back of them. But with the propaganda machine being as efficient as it is, they shroud this “racism” behind a veneer of White nationalism.
    , @Paperback Writer
    @Ron Unz


    What I’m about to say may sound extremely odd, but I’ve long suspected that “White Nationalism” itself is almost a PC-type sublimation of other sentiments. When black-activists constantly denounce or harangue you, and you feel their group unfairly benefits from Affirmative Action, you naturally become increasingly hostile towards them. But the notion of being “anti-black” has become so deeply stigmatized under modern cultural indoctrination, that the individuals instead prefer to think of themselves as “pro-white.
     
    Perceptive.
    , @Brás Cubas
    @Ron Unz

    I suppose this is like when some girl wants to break-up with her boyfriend and uses that standard sentence: "It's not you, it's me." No moderately intelligent peson will believe its sincerity, of course, just as in the case of White Nationalism few among either their adherents or opposers actually believe it in this case. You are overgeneralizing it, though. Don't you publish a blog named "Stuff Black People Don't Like"?

    , @JackOH
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, would it be worthwhile at all to have a writer straighforwardly catalogue the White responses to the challenges of Black Ascendancy (or Black Supremacism) the past 55-some years?

    I'm thinking, for example: (1) Flight to the suburbs, (2) Intermarriage, (3) White Nationalism, (4) Mimesis-adopting Black music, patterns of thought, taste, and behavior, (5) Legal "surrender" in law enforcement, i. e., non-enforcement, etc.

    Each topic to be followed by, say, a 300-500 word discussion.

    I'm thinking Nicholas Stix as writer, maybe Paul Kersey, I'm not sure.

    Some of these topics have been covered already on these pages under various titles and with various slants. I'm thinking that assembling those topics under a single title might have a good impact.

    Anything worthwhile to the idea?

    , @Biff
    @Ron Unz


    What I’m about to say may sound extremely odd, but I’ve long suspected that “White Nationalism” itself is almost a PC-type sublimation of other sentiments. When black-activists constantly denounce or harangue you, and you feel their group unfairly benefits from Affirmative Action, you naturally become increasingly hostile towards them. But the notion of being “anti-black” has become so deeply stigmatized under modern cultural indoctrination, that the individuals instead prefer to think of themselves as “pro-white.” Meanwhile, immigrant groups relatively free from media brainwashing are sometimes much more candid in their sentiments.
     
    So Gregory Hood should be more like Eric Clapton.
    , @Happy Tapir
    @Ron Unz

    Well, ya know, there’s almost zero white nationalism other places as well. While my opinions are almost congruent with hood’s, and I live in a southeastern red state, I’ve never ever met anyone who could be called a white nationalist or even begin to grok these topics. Most of the locals’ conservatism is rooted in the Bible and they would turn five shades of white if I handed them an Unz article or said anything critical of “you know who.” They are far more worried about abortion than immigration. White nationalism is a rare position anywhere. I bet that not more than a couple thousand people nationwide share hood’s positions and opinions.

    Replies: @Eric Novak

    , @DrWatson
    @Ron Unz

    I never thought about this but quite possibly true. One can decide for themselves (if they want White Nationalism or a mostly blackless society) by contemplating coexistence with other races. E.g. I am not very keen on Mexicans. They often spat on the ground when seeing me, they were loud, primitive, hostile. Just a hideous bunch, in my experience.

    However, blacks may be a lot more dangerous and unpleasant to live around.

    I am also wondering if someone has data about the difference bw genomes of the Neanderthal and that of modern humans (excluding subsaharan blacks)? Is the difference comparable to the difference between whites and blacks? If it is then it is a legitimate question whether subsaharan black could be considered a different species? After all, Neanderthals are considered a diff spec, too, still modern humans were able to procreate with them.

    The bad news is that Neanderthals went extinct, after all. There was too much intermingling? At least their descendants' looks definitely improved, which cannot be said of most Black&White admixtures.

    , @Johnny Smoggins
    @Ron Unz

    Generally speaking, Whites can co-exist just fine with Asians and Hispanics. Yes there are cultural differences that can ruffle feathers sometimes, but everyone has the same basic agreement on how a society should function.

    The problems arise when you introduce significant numbers of blacks and Moslems. And of course, Jews to stir up animus.

    , @geokat62
    @Ron Unz


    I got the impression that the author grew up on the East Coast and probably went to college there as well. Therefore, it doesn’t surprise me that all the groups that so enraged and offended him were black-activist types. I noticed that he didn’t even seem to say anything about Asians or Hispanics, who together probably outnumber blacks 2-to-1 nationwide, at least among the more youthful age cohorts.
     
    When Israelis start accepting Asians and Hispanics into their country, we’ll do the same.

    I always believe one should lead by example. Don’t you agree?

    , @KenH
    @Ron Unz


    What I’m about to say may sound extremely odd, but I’ve long suspected that “White Nationalism” itself is almost a PC-type sublimation of other sentiments.
     
    White nationalism arose in part as a reaction to black racial chauvinsim and hatred towards whites post 1965 and the vast racial differences that exist between the two. But if you consider George Lincoln Rockwell and William Pierce as the founding fathers of American white nationalism then it primarily arose to alert whites to Jewish power and influence that created the negro problem that still exists to this day. Thanks to the importation of more non-white racial groups via mass immigration (and Jewish power and influence) we now have a generalized race problem.

    A strong case can be made that civil rights, black pride and black nationalism are just euphemisms for disdain and hatred of white people and their society and a categorical rejection of detente with whites. I believe events since 1965 and the increasing demands and militancy of blacks have borne that out.

    Civil rights, black pride and black self determination and just lipstick and mascara on an anti-white pig.

    , @Miro23
    @Ron Unz


    Obviously the same may be true on the individual level, with the endless activist attacks and humiliations inflicted upon white students on some college campuses giving rise to White Nationalist sentiments, thereby demonstrating the enormously counter-productive impact of all these crazy PC policies and Wokeness.

     

    Looking for historical similarities, there was Spain (1938) a year prior to Spanish Civil War.

    The " the endless activist attacks and humiliations" were inflicted upon traditionalist Spain by Bolshevik inspired activists, while the leftist Republican government (voted into power in questionable elections) looked the other way and actually feared their own radicals. The media were solidly on the left and cheered on the violence and disruption.

    The enormously counter-productive impact of these crazy Bolshevik policies was to radicalize a previously moderate traditionalist/monarchist right , culminating in Franco's military revolt and the Spanish Civil War. When the shooting started, Spanish society quickly polarized with defined Nationalist and Republican provinces and mobilization for general war.

    The issue seems to have been, that traditional Spanish society passed a point of no return. For its survival, it had to support the Franco revolution. The US doesn't seem so different. The spark in the Spanish case was the leftist militia kidnap and murder of traditionalist political leader Calvo-Sotelo.

    Replies: @Miro23, @Emslander

    , @Chris Moore
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, what I’m about to say may sound extremely odd, but I’ve long suspected that Zionist fifth columns are a PC-type sublimation of other sentiments. These Zionists are driven by fear and loathing of Moses, the founder of Judaism, and Jesus, his rightful heir, who had some hard and fast ideas about what Jews are supposed to do and not do, and enforced them at the point of a sword and the end of a whip. But the ((Jews)) have sublimated this, and lash out at Hitler, Christendom and the West, when in fact they want to lash out at their own totalitarian, money-worshiping, hypocritical, failed-Jew leaders, and ultimately, at themselves for being so sick and weak.

    This is where ((Jewish)) sadomasochism originates, which is just one of many psychological disorders and pathologies these ((Jews)) suffer from.

    End result: these ((Jews)) who are not Jews but anti-Moses and anti-Christ have infected much of the United States (and through it, the world) with their various mental diseases and moral and social pathologies via their accumulated Zionist network wealth, media power and governmental influence; the nation has become mentally ill as a result; and we are teetering on the brink of civil war.

    And it's all because ((Jews)) remain stunted, repressed, delusional, and quite frankly, psychotic.

    Replies: @Michael Korn

    , @JWalters
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Hood repeatedly makes sweeping generalizations about huge groups of people. He does this by ignoring the MANY exceptions to his generalizations. For example, he ignores the fact that MOST blacks are NOT criminals so that he can characterize all blacks as criminals. Similarly, in order to glorify all whites as noble he ignores the centuries of white-on-white warfare, with whites slaughtering, backstabbing, robbing, and tyrannizing whites. He seems to have an extremely limited knowledge of world history, with his picture of history appearing to come mainly from John Wayne movies and the like. In his mind whites slaughtering non-whites is a glorious accomplishment, but non-whites defending themselves against whites is abhorrent.

    He seems to have no awareness of the concept of justice, but simply worships raw power, when wielded by whites. He does not understand that power without justice creates tyranny. He is essentially advocating white tyranny.

    He feels an emotional bond to the white race, but shows no awareness of the extreme variety of people that are in every race. Thus, his understanding of human nature is as simplistic as his understanding of history.

    It's well-known that a strong emotion has the power to derail a person's reason. That seems to be happening to Mr. Hood.

    , @FvS
    @Ron Unz


    I strongly suspect that’s a big part of the reason that there seems to be almost zero White Nationalist sentiment in California
     
    Or California is just full of liberal white lemmings that are completely brainwashed by regime propaganda because everyone else saw the writing on the wall and left a long time ago.

    Imagine if there were millions of Latin Americans clamoring to get into China, South Korea, Japan, and Israel. These countries would almost certainly deny them entry. Do you think they would be acting irrationally in doing so?

    Would California be a better place today if it were 99% Hispanic mestizo? You'd have to be a moron to say yes...or maybe just a Jew.

    , @Rogue
    @Ron Unz

    I dislike the term "White Nationalist".

    I approve of the term "White Identity".

    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    @Ron Unz

    Come on. You live in Whitopia, with a $3 million admission fee.

    NINETY PERCENT WHITE AND ASIAN (60% whites with high-g, low-crime Asians they can point to and say, "Diversity," are happier than pigs in shit.)

    Six percent Latino, two percent black.

    You bought your White Nation. Those of us without residuals and $10M in the bank have to figure out other methods.

    , @FvS
    @Ron Unz

    Some more thoughts:

    1.) What are you basing your opinion on that there is almost zero white nationalist sentiment in California? Poizner vs Whitman in the 2010 primary? Because Poizner was initially doing poorly but then climbed back up to become a threat to Whitman after he began taking a more hard-line stance on immigration. This pushed Whitman to the right on immigration. She was not a pro-immigration moderate in the primary.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2010/05/immigration-pushes-whitman-to-right-037893
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2010-may-03-la-me-debate-20100503-1-story.html

    2.) According to the SLPC, there are numerous anti-immigration and white nationalist groups operating in California.

    3.) I guarantee you live in some rich, lily-white neighborhood and have no experience with race relations on the ground among the working class. Nor have you been exposed to the general decrease in quality of life or rise in petty crime that has come about as whites have been displaced by mestizos. Just because someone isn't a white nationalist, that doesn't mean they are necessarily a pro-immigration, diversity lover. Most whites just grudgingly tolerate the negatives of increased diversity because that's what they are told to do or they convince themselves that things aren't really that bad because being racist is the worst sin in America.

    4.) It's my belief that Jews purposefully exacerbate black dysfunction and promote blacks in all forms of media in order to keep race conscious whites distracted from their displacement by Hispanic mestizos/indios and so that Hispanics look better by comparison. You'll notice that Hispanics, although more numerous than blacks, are hardly featured in media at all. I'd argue that Asians at around 7% of the population are depicted in media more than Hispanics at around 20% of the population. It wouldn't surprise me if Hispanic crime is also suppressed in the news. The whole idea is to make sure whites think about Hispanics and immigration as little as possible. Of course, when cartel violence and Latin American political corruption inevitably takes hold in the U.S., that task is going to be increasingly difficult. But by then it may be too late.

  • @obwandiyag
    Imagine you got your own all-white country. Suddenly you would notice that some whites don't fit. You don't like them, even though they are white. They don't cooperate. You don't want to cooperate with them. You find them just plain obnoxious and annoying and you have an ungovernable urge to classify them as black or something just to get them out of your sight.


    You will start having to test. Are you a good-white or a bad-white? is the only question. Then that won't be good enough, because pretty soon you'll be ostracizing more than 50% because more than 50% flunked because you can't stand more than 50% of them. So you'll have to let some of the ostracized back in. So then you need a new category, "bad-white we can stand because we need him for cannon fodder." And so on . . .

    Do you know anything about real life?

    Replies: @vox4non, @Tucker, @TKK, @Emslander, @JWalters, @FvS, @JohnnyGodYilmaz

    If Europe is anything to go by, it is sadly true. Ideally, if one could see beyond their own tribe or country, Europe could be a united powerhouse. Who knows, with all the unpleasantness shown by the immigrants from Africa and the Middle East, it might push the indifferent to a realisation that open immigration and uncritical acceptance of others is not the acceptable state of affairs.

  • Author’s Note: This article is effectively a short book. There are subheadings, so you should be able to read it in parts. But it was written in one sitting, so I am publishing it as a single post. It’s a personal record for most words in a single post in a single sitting, but the...
  • @mulga mumblebrain
    @antibeast

    China has been the largest economy, in PPP terms, since 2014. The Chinese authorities, having read history and understood it, recognise that the USA is uniquely Evil, genocidal, aggressive and thus dangerous, in all history. After the bio-warfare attack in Wuhan, following several others targeting food supplies, the Chinese obviously realise that they are in a life and death struggle with this hideous behemoth, and they are not going to surrender. The future of humanity, and of Life on Earth, depends on their steadfastness.

    Replies: @antibeast, @Deep Thought

    In all honesty, the Chinese don’t care if the USA is evil or not. What the Chinese care about is whether the USA can pay its debts owed to China (and the world), not whether the USA wants to invade another Muslim country or ‘contain’ China by selling nuclear submarines to Australia.

    What the Chinese worry about is the fact that the Fed has resorted to devaluing the USD by printing more Benjamins in the last 18 months than during the last 100 years. The Chinese have simply lost confidence in the hyper-inflated US financial system which explains the recent decision by Chinese authorities to stop Chinese tech startups from selling their shares to US stock markets because China does not need nor want those trillions of printed USDs. What China wants is to internationalize the RMB by opening up its financial system to foreign firms such as Black Rock, thereby reducing its dependence on the USD as well as bypass the hyper-inflated US financial system.

    All this talk of gloom and doom in Xi’s China misses the whole point entirely which is that Xi doesn’t want China to experience another economic crisis such as the one caused by the GFC 2008. Everything that Xi’s China is doing today — deleveraging its property sector, cracking down on its tech sector, restricting USD capital inflows to its tech startups — are meant to insulate the Chinese economy from the impending collapse of the US economy.

    It’s the US economy, mate. That’s the gravest threat to Xi’s China.

    • Agree: dogbumbreath, vox4non
  • @antibeast
    @Rich

    Mao sent the Chinese PVA for defensive purposes, i.e., to drive US troops out of North Korea which succeeded during the initial phase of the Korean War. The problem was Kim who was ill-prepared to defend North Korea, much less invade South Korea. Against the advice of Mao, Kim got Stalin to support his invasion of South Korea which turned into a rout as MacArthur not only drove North Korean troops out of South Korea but also pushed them all the way back to the Yalu River, which promoted Mao to intervene.

    By the way, there's a myth that the Chinese PVA resorted to 'human-wave' tactics to drive US troops out of the North. What really happened was that the Chinese PVA infiltrated US frontlines by camping during the day, bivouac style, and then marching at night, and finally launching surprise attacks on US troops, pincer style, which destroyed their frontlines. The US military sustained most of its casualties during this period of the Korean War which forced the withdrawal of US troops from the North behind the 38th parallel.

    Had the Chinese stopped at the 38th parallel when they drove US troops from the North, that would have been the end of the Korean War. But Kim was adamant that they retake Seoul which turned into a bloodbath as the Chinese PVA couldn't defend Seoul. The subsequent retreat to the 38th parallel then forced the Chinese PVA to do the fighting for the North Koreans who couldn't defend the North from the US military which resorted to strategic bombing, thus disrupting Chinese supply-lines.

    The Chinese PVA sustained most of its casualties due to lack of supplies (food, clothing, ammo) which occurred right after withdrawing from Seoul back to the 38th parallel. THAT was the main problem hampering the Chinese PVA which had to sustain high casualties defending the frontlines. The stalemate lasted for two years until an armistice was signed in 1953. Kim's ill-advised ego-trip is what led to the debacle, not the performance of the Chinese PVA which performed well under the dire circumstances.

    Replies: @Rich, @Godfree Roberts

    Against the advice of Mao, Kim got Stalin to support his invasion of South Korea

    Kim got Stalin’s reluctant support for a war, but not his approval for an attack. It was the South that attacked, says Sir John Pratt, KBE, CMG, an authority on China. He held appointments in the Foreign Service at many places in China and was for 13 years Adviser on Far Eastern Affairs in the Foreign Office. He was for two years head of the Far Eastern Section of the Ministry of Information. He was, for 20 years, the Foreign Secretaries’ representative on the Universities China Committee. He is now Vice-Chairman of the Board of Governors of the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London.

    [MORE]

    There is overwhelming evidence that Syngman Rhee and his American supporters started the civil war on 25 June 1950, and it was in order to prevent this evidence being produced and sifted that the United States Government insisted that a Security Council resolution condemning the North Koreans should be adopted the same day. The war was not manufactured, as some people make out, to safeguard British and American interests. That is the sort of stupid charge that often spoils a good case. The war had its origin in the hysterical fear that the mere word Communism produces in America and in the crime rackets and witch-hunts which are a normal feature of American political life and which are now employed to achieve American aims in world affairs.

    The State Department’s White Paper on US Relations with China — a volume of 1020 pages published in August 1949 — was a public confession of the failure of the policy of backing Chiang Kai-shek as a barrier against the spread of Communism in Asia. Since 1945 the US Government had given Chiang Kai-shek 2000 million dollars, the whole of which had gone into the pockets of his Kuomintang officials, as well as 1000 million dollars’ worth of military supplies, the whole of which his generals had sold to the Communists. During 1949 the Kuomintang Administration disintegrated and Chiang Kai-shek fled to Formosa. A few months later the party led by Mao Tze Tung gained control of the whole country and, on 1 October 1949, established the People’s Republic of China, with the capital at Peking. In January 1950, Truman and Dean Acheson announced the new policy they had decided to adopt: neither Formosa nor Korea would be included in the ‘American perimeter of defence’; Formosa had been restored to China in 1945 in accordance with the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations and the terms of the Japanese surrender; it has become once more a province of China and the US would not intervene in the civil war between the Nationalists in Formosa and the Communists in China.

    This policy was denounced by the Republicans as appeasement of Communism, and in a few weeks Senator McCarthy began making speeches in which he declared that the State Department was full of Communists who were selling out their country. The White Paper showed that the Kuomintang administration had fallen to incredible depths of corruption and incompetence and had reduced the people of China to unprecedented depths of misery and despair, but, according to McCarthy, the collapse of Chiang Kai-shek was due, not to his own defects, but to the treachery of the Communists in the State Department. A Sub-Committee of the Senate, which spent five months enquiring into these charges, declared that they:

    … represent perhaps the most nefarious campaign of half-truths and untruth in the history of this Republic… For the first time in our history we have seen the totalitarian technique of the big lie employed on a sustained basis… We have seen the character of our government employees destroyed by public condemnation on the basis of gossip, distortion, hearsay and deliberate untruths. This has been done without the slightest vestige of respect for even the most elementary rules of evidence or fair-play or, indeed, common decency. We have seen an effort to inflame the American people with a wave of hysteria and fear on an unbelievable scale.

    The free world looked on aghast at the hysteria and unreason of the McCarthy witch-hunt, but the American people believed McCarthy and the leaders of the Republican Party rallied to his support. General Marshall was responsible both for the State Department and its Chinese policy and, as the Economist pointed out, ‘he could, with his immense national prestige, have scattered the State Department traducers with a few words’, but General Marshall remained silent and Truman soon realised that unless he capitulated to McCarthy he would lose votes in the Presidential election. ‘The moral and intellectual squalor of this period’, said the New Yorker, ‘has not been equalled in living memory.’ In April 1950, Foster Dulles, a Republican, was appointed ‘Top Consultant’ in the State Department and Truman gave an assurance that he would be consulted both in the formulation and the execution of foreign policy. Since then Truman has, step by step, carried out the Republican policy in the Far East.

    In the latter half of June 1950, Foster Dulles and the two defence chiefs went by air to Tokyo to hold a conference with MacArthur. The decisions reached were published in some detail in the press in America; MacArthur insisted, and the others agreed, that America should have bases in Japan, Formosa and Korea from which she could dominate both China and Russia; in order to secure these bases it would be necessary to:

    1. Exclude China and Russia from the negotiations for a peace treaty with Japan. This was a violation of the agreement made in 1942 not to make a separate peace with any of the enemy countries.
    2. Cordon off Formosa and supply military aid to Chiang Kai-shek, who had fled from China in 1949. This was a violation of the Cairo and Potsdam agreements and armed aggression on what was admittedly a Chinese province.
    3. Supply military aid to Syngman Rhee in South Korea against the Communists in North Korea.
    These decisions involved a complete reversal of the policy announced in January and immediate action was necessary because:
    a. A plan for unifying Korea by conference and negotiation had been launched by the North Koreans and was having such success that Syngman Rhee’s government in South Korea was on the verge of internal collapse.
    b. The Peking Government intended to drive Chiang Kai-shek out of Formosa in about three weeks’ time.

    The Tokyo scheme might be wrecked if there were even a few days’ delay in obtaining the approval of the US Government. The difficulty was that, only six months earlier, both Truman and Acheson had been very emphatic that the status of Formosa had been finally settled in 1945. It was Chinese territory and the traditional American policy called for international respect for the territorial integrity of China. Acheson, in particular, had insisted that the US would not allow the 1945 decision to be upset by any lawyer’s quibble about waiting for a peace treaty. It was essential, he said, to maintain in the world the belief that the Americans were decent and honourable people who, when they took a position, stuck to it and did not change by reason of transitory advantage. It is not surprising, therefore, that on 23 June Dean Acheson told a press conference in Washington that the discussions in Tokyo had not altered US policy as stated by President Truman in January. The only way out of this difficulty was to present Truman and Acheson with a fait accompli. At dawn on Sunday, 25 June, Syngman Rhee launched a sudden attack which took the North Koreans by surprise. His forces crossed the 38th parallel at several places and captured Haeju, some miles to the north on the road to Pyongyang. The North Koreans staged a counter-offensive and the South Koreans threw down their arms and fled. The North Koreans then drove on across the parallel and staged a full-scale invasion of South Korea.

    For nearly a year both North and South Koreans had been expecting civil war to break out, and each side was confident of victory. The American Military Advisory Group, who had created the South Korean army, were convinced that one South Korean division could defeat three North Korean divisions and Syngman Rhee had often boasted that, if they were allowed to start, his forces could capture Pyongyang, the Northern capital, in three days. These were ludicrous miscalculations. Ten months later (6 May 1951) General MacArthur told a Committee of the Senate what had happened:
    The South Koreans were no match for them at all; and the disposition by the South Koreans of their logistic potential was extraordinarily poor. They had put their supplies and equipment close to the 38th parallel. They hadn’t developed any positions in depth. Everything between the 38th parallel and Seoul was their area of depot. When they lost that immediate line they lost their supplies. They were not able apparently to destroy them en masse; so that at one initial stroke this North Korean army had a new supply base in the area between the 38th parallel and Seoul, which enabled them to press south with the full strength of their base being immediately behind them. They no longer had to rely on the long distance from the Yalu to get their supplies down.

    General MacArthur’s evidence contradicts at all material points the report of the United Nations’ military observers, which is the one document always cited as proof that the South Korean forces ‘were taken completely by surprise’ (see Appendix II).

    It was not an international war but a civil war, with which the United Nations would not normally be concerned. The United States Government decided, however, to treat it as an international war and to secure the condemnation of the North Koreans before any evidence could be produced and before the Soviet delegate could resume his place on the Security Council. Ambassador Muccio’s report reached the State Department at 9.26pm on 24 June, eastern daylight time (11.26am, 25 June, Korean time), and at midnight EDT, namely, 2.00pm, 25 June, Korean time (see Appendix II (e)) the Secretary-General telegraphed to the United Nations Commission in Seoul asking for a report. Some hours later the Commission sent a telegram in reply (S/1496) stating that Syngman Rhee had not planned to appeal to the Security Council, but had no objection to their being informed of this ‘latest turn of events’. The telegram threw no light on the origin of the fighting but merely stated that each side accused the other. At the urgent request of the US Government the Security Council met at Lake Success at 2.00pm EDT the same day. The US delegate said that the facts were set out in the Commission’s telegram (S/1496) and that his government considered that ‘this wholly illegal and unprovoked attack by the North Korean forces constitutes a breach of the peace and an act of aggression’. The Yugoslav delegate protested that the evidence before them did not enable the Council to decide which was the guilty party, but he received no support. The American resolution was adopted and the North Koreans were condemned unheard.

    This monstrous act of injustice was rendered possible by the subservient attitude of the British delegate and the absence from the Security Council of both China and Russia. On 13 January 1950, the Security Council decided that the delegate from Formosa should be accepted as the representative of China. The British delegate abstained from voting but the Russian delegate protested against China’s exclusion from the United Nations and refused to attend any further meetings of the Security Council. He maintained that valid decisions could not be taken so long as China was prevented from occupying the permanent seat on the Security Council to which she was entitled. If other countries, and especially Great Britain, had had the moral courage to adopt the same policy there would have been no Korean War but, in the event, it merely meant that in the absence of a Russian delegate, on 25 June the United States was able to secure the condemnation of the North Koreans. Mr Malik resumed his seat on 1 August, but by then the United Nations had been drawn into the Korean War.

    On 27 June, before the next meeting of the Security Council, President Truman announced that he had sent the Seventh Fleet to cordon off Formosa, alleging as his pretext that the Korean War was proof that ‘Communism had begun to use armed invasion and war to conquer independent countries’. A year later, on 5 July 1951, the Chicago Tribune published an editorial under the heading ‘Truman’s Fear: Not the Reds but Depression’. The contention of the article was that the burden of armaments had been imposed on the world, not from genuine fear of Communist aggression, but in order to relieve the American economy of its nightmare dread of depression: ‘No reports from any quarter prove that Russia has any intention, within the foreseeable future, of embarking on a general war.’

    On 28 June, Chou En-lai, the Foreign Minister of the Peking Government, declared that the US had instigated Syngman Rhee to attack the North Koreans in order to create a pretext for sending the Seventh Fleet to Formosa, an act which he denounced as armed aggression against Chinese territory. On 29 June, Dean Acheson made an attempt to answer this accusation. In a speech to the annual convention of the American Newspapers Guild in Washington, he declared that the Security Council’s resolution of 25 June, condemning the North Koreans, had been adopted within 20 hours ‘after hearing the report of the UN Commission labelling the Communist action an unprovoked act of aggression’. This calculated lie has formed the basis of all subsequent accounts of the origin of the Korean War.

    After the condemnation of the North Koreans attempts were made to find evidence and arguments to support the American case. We were asked to believe:
    1. That Soviet Russia had launched her puppet, North Korea, against the South Koreans at the moment when there was no Russian delegate on the Security Council;
    2. That the North Koreans started a civil war at the moment when their own unification-by-conference plan was on the point of succeeding;
    3. That this plan was intended solely for its screening effect; and
    4. That it was a mere coincidence that the civil war happened to break out at the very moment when
    MacArthur was urgently in need of a pretext for cordoning off Formosa.

    A year later, when Acheson was asked to explain how it was that 51 Chinese Nationalists, residing in America, had made a profit of 30 million dollars by cornering the market in soya beans just before the Korean War broke out, he replied that this had created a serious situation, but that it was a matter that concerned the Department of Agriculture. We were also told that the report of the United Nations’ military observers proved that it must have been the North Koreans who began the war, but, no doubt through inadvertence, this myth has been exploded by General MacArthur’s evidence quoted above. In any case all that the report of the military observers proved was that neither side seemed to be expecting an immediate outbreak of hostilities. Paragraph 8 of the report, which showed that the North Koreans were not preparing to attack, was omitted from the version published in the British White Paper laid before Parliament (Cmnd 8078). The White Paper also suppressed the United Nations’ telegram from Seoul of 25 June (S/1496) which would have shown that the North Koreans were condemned unheard on a charge for which no evidence has ever been produced.

    Attempts were also made to allay the anxiety aroused both in England and America by the prospect of being involved in war in Korea. We were assured that what the United Nations were being asked to undertake was a defensive police action in order to restore the position as it was before 25 June, and that there would be no crossing of the 38th parallel. If that promise had been kept, it would have made it difficult for the United States to include Korea within the American perimeter of defence. Korea could not be used as a base from which to bomb and menace China and Russia until the Syngman Rhee Government had been established in control of North Korea.

    General MacArthur was appointed Supreme Commander of the United Nations’ Forces and on 15 July President Rhee assigned to him command authority over all South Korean land, sea and air forces. On 1 October the South Korean forces were sent across the 38th parallel and on 9 October they were followed by the rest of the forces under General MacArthur’s command. On 13 October, General MacArthur had a conference with President Truman, who flew to Wake Island for the purpose. With the elections three weeks off he was anxious, we were told, to pluck ‘at least a branch of the laurels of the Korean victory’. In the minutes of the conference which were made public five months later, it is recorded that General MacArthur expressed concern at the opposition in the United Nations to President Rhee, to which President Truman replied: ‘We must make it plain that we are supporting the Rhee Government and propaganda can go to hell.’

    The public have been told that General MacArthur was authorised to cross the 38th parallel by the General Assembly Resolution of 7 October 1950. That is quite untrue. Pandit Nehru warned the Assembly that: ‘Faith in the United Nations might be impaired if the United Nations were even to appear to authorise unification of Korea by the use of force against North Korea after the organisation had resisted the attempt of North Korea to unify the country by force against South Korea.’ But by 7 October the 38th parallel had already been crossed and the South Korean army, under General MacArthur’s supreme command, was advancing on a broad front to the port of Wonsan, 100 miles to the north. Faced with a fait accompli, the General Assembly passed a resolution which declared that United Nations’ forces should not ‘remain in any part of Korea’ longer than necessary. It ‘obliquely recognised’, but it did not authorise, the use of force against North Korea.

    The account given in the British White Paper (Cmnd 8078) has led the public to believe that two separate armies were operating in Korea and that the army under General MacArthur’s command began its advance across the 38th parallel after the General Assembly had passed the resolution of 7 October. No mention is made of the fact that Syngman Rhee placed all the South Korean forces under General MacArthur’s command and that General MacArthur, in accepting this arrangement, wrote: ‘It cannot fail to increase the coordinated power of the United Nations’ forces operating in Korea.’ We allowed ourselves to be tricked into participating in General MacArthur’s invasion of North Korea and we share the responsibility for the miseries the invasion inflicted on the people of Korea. According to a recent United Nations’ report, out of a total population in North Korea of nine millions, one million have been slaughtered and some four millions have fled from their homes southward to escape the obliteration bombing. The Manchester Guardian’s comment was that this shows what a popular government they had in North Korea.

    The MacArthur policy called for military aid to Chiang Kai-shek as well as to Syngman Rhee. In August, MacArthur paid a visit to Formosa and made it known to all the world that his aim was to restore Chiang Kai-shek to power in China. On 30 September, when the United Nations’ forces were standing on the 38th parallel, Chou En-lai gave warning that the Peking Government could not stand idly by if they invaded North Korea. This was regarded as bluff. North Korea was invaded and then, ignoring British protests, MacArthur made a headlong rush to the Yalu River. Before long he ran into stiff opposition and was forced to make another headlong rush, this time back to the 38th parallel, and it was not until about the first week in January 1951 that the tide turned again in favour of the forces under his command.

    We are still being asked to believe that China’s intervention in North Korea was an act of aggression. WV Purcell, Lecturer in Far Eastern History in Cambridge University, writes as follows:
    The press, generally speaking, asks its readers to see in Korea the unmistakable signs of Soviet aggression. China (they say), at the instigation of Russia, has unwarrantably intervened in Korea to undo the police work of the United Nations. No one who has studied the situation can believe that there is a vestige of evidence for this charge. The fact is that China has reacted in the face of MacArthur’s provocation in an extremely logical and expected way… Chinese intervention came only after a disregarded warning and an exhibition of forbearance. Thus Korea ceased to be a local issue once for all and the United Nations, and the United States in particular, became, to Asia at least, the aggressor. It is hard to believe that MacArthur did not, and does not now, seek a world war.

    On 10 January 1951, a memorandum demanding that China be branded an aggressor was circulated by the State Department to 22 nations. The discussions at Lake Success during the next three weeks make painful reading. Walter Lippmann expressed the hope that the United States was capable of something better than ‘the futile rages of a frustrated child’, and even the Economist complained that ‘American policy seems now to have taken the shape of issuing peremptory instructions to the United Nations by Congressional resolution and then flying into a temper when they are not immediately obeyed’. It seemed that America was deliberately seeking an extension of hostilities. Nevertheless on 1 February 1951, the resolution branding China an aggressor was adopted by the General Assembly.

    This shameful resolution presented Stalin with a case which neither Truman nor Attlee made any attempt to answer. In February 1951, Stalin declared that ‘the United Nations, created as a bulwark for preserving peace, is being turned into an instrument of war’. It was the representatives, he said, of the 10 member countries of the North Atlantic Pact and the 20 Latin American countries ‘who carried the shameful decision on the aggression of the Chinese People’s Republic’, but it is difficult to convince the soldiers sent to fight in Korea ‘that the United States is entitled to defend its security on the territory of Korea and at the frontiers of China, whereas China and Korea have no right to defend their security on their own territory or at the frontiers of China’.

    Up to the end of the eighteenth century China was a great and well-ordered Empire to whom the people of Asia looked up as the fountainhead of civilisation. There followed a century of decay, but during the last 30 years there has been a crisis of rejuvenation, culminating two years ago in the recovery by China of her former proud position with prestige enhanced by an officialdom that is completely incorruptible and an army under perfect discipline. All this is familiar to those who deal with Far Eastern affairs, but any American who states these facts is in danger of being labelled Communist and being made the victim of a witch-hunt.

    General Marshall finds it prudent to declare that ‘China has been virtually conquered by Russia’ and, from President Truman downward, no one dares deny that Mao is a puppet of Stalin and China a tool of Soviet aggression. There is something rather ludicrous in the claim these men make that their country is the leader of the free world. They should bear in mind the words of Euripides: ‘This is true Liberty, when freeborn men, having to advise the public, may speak free: Which he who can and will deserves high praise: Who neither can nor will may hold his peace. What can be juster in a state than this?’

    The new China, unlike the China of Chiang Kai-shek, will not submit to being menaced from places like Formosa and Korea and, rather than submit, will go on fighting till the end of time. This is not yet understood in America. Nor have Americans abandoned their faith in the ignoble slogan, ‘all aid short of war’. It was an unpleasant shock when American soldiers, as well as arms and money, had to be sent to aid Syngman Rhee in his civil war against the North Koreans. It may be some years, therefore, before it is realised that, so long as the United States maintain their present attitude towards the Communist world, so long will they have to send American soldiers to fight in Asia. When this has seeped into the minds of the American people, then, and not till then, will it be possible to re-establish a civilised world order founded on the principles the comity of nations.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Thanks: vox4non
    • Replies: @antibeast
    @Godfree Roberts

    Kim got Stalin to support his attempt to reunify Korea which Mao refused to support until US troops crossed the 38th parallel. Mao wanted to call it a day after Chinese PVA troops poured into North Korea and succeeded in driving out US troops back to South Korea. But Kim (and Stalin) wanted the Chinese PVA to invade South Korea again and retake Seoul. The Chinese PVA sustained most of its battlefield casualties during the subsequent battles of retake and defend Seoul as well as the haphazard retreat behind the 38th parallel.

    But the worst disaster came when the USA resorted to bombing every town and city in North Korea which neither Kim nor Stalin could defend against aerial bombardment. Cutoff from its lines of communications to China with its supply-lines in North Korea disrupted by US airpower, the Chinese PVA managed amazingly enough to hold on for another two years defending the frontlines behind the 38th parallel.

    Kim's (and Stalin's) failure to defend Seoul and North Korea from US airpower lost the Korean War which is not the fault of the Chinese PVA. The Korean War was poorly-planned and badly-executed with the biggest loser being Korea itself. The North lost 2-3 million people with all its towns and cities destroyed by US airpower while the South too suffered greatly as Seoul was bombed to rubble when the US military fought the North Koreans and later the Chinese PVA to retake Seoul.

    That was the last time Mao would agree to fight any of Kim's wars. Decades later, Kim would ask Mao to support yet another attempt to retake South Korea following the Communist victory in the Vietnam War. Mao's reply: 'Nyet!'. That should have been Stalin's response to Kim's ego-trip which led to the Korean War.

    Replies: @mulga mumblebrain

    , @Commentator Mike
    @Godfree Roberts

    I find it interesting and intriguing that the UN should have got involved on one side in the Korean War as the Soviet Union was a member of the UN Security Council with the power of veto. Then I saw this on wikipedia:


    The Soviet UN ambassador was not present at the UNSC meeting as a result of the Soviet boycott against the UN, rendering the Soviet Union unable to veto resolution 82
     
    and

    The Soviet Union's delegate had boycotted all UN meetings because of procedural disagreements over the permanent security council seat going to the Republic of China (Taiwan) over the People’s Republic of China (Mainland) earlier in the year. Soviet ambassador to the United Nations Yakov Malik had been personally ordered not to attend the UNSC meetings by Soviet Premier Joseph Stalin.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_82

    Maybe it would have been best if the UN would have broken up as a result of the Korean War. The Soviet Union should have pulled its satellites out and brought non-UN North Korea and PCR into an alternative organisation. How was the UN rift healed and when and how did the Soviet Union end its boycott of the UN Security Council considering PCR was admitted to the UN, or rather replaced Taiwan, as late as 1971?

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

  • Most Americans do not know that in the United States currently there are approximately 900 Active-duty generals and flag officers to lead 1.3 million troops in the combined armed forces. This is a ratio of one senior officer per every 1,400 men and women. During World War II, an admittedly different era, there were roughly...
  • The Americans so slavishly followed their British masters in this matter. The rank creep and surfeit of Generals is a lot like the old British Army where, possibly because there weren’t enough seats in Parliament to give make-work jobs to the sons of the ruling caste, they farmed them out to the army so every failson could be a Colonel in some regiment of hussars somewhere in a desert or a commander at some coaling station.
    There used to be, from the days of the Napoleonic reforms ‘divisions’ which you don’t want me to bore you with the intricacies of how all that worked, but during the Sitzkrieg of 1945-1990, the western militaries aped this British system in order to spread Military Industrial Complext graft around to ‘team players’, which these Generals have to be. Once you hit full colonel, you start making real money. The excuse/tool has been the increased kinetic killing power of ever smaller units. The amount of firepower a modern company of infantry can let loose is on the order of a battalion back in The Big One. The reason they never want to fight an actual war is that the west knows it hasn’t got the industrial base or the logistical flexibility to maintain the tempo of operations, burning up all those munitions. This fact has led some cranks to say that Nuclear weapons are a big fake to scare the public. Not so sure about this notion but a war like WW2 today would probably cause the entire world to devolve to Mad Max in about a month. So we got that to look forward to.

    • Agree: Marcaurelius, vox4non
  • I'm not exactly sure when I first heard of the Liberty incident of 1967. The story was certainly a dramatic one, the attack upon an almost defenseless American intelligence ship by Israel's air and naval forces late in the Six Day War fought against several Arab states. Over 200 American servicemen were killed or wounded...
  • Old men play games, with bones of young men as dice.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    @vox4non

    Old men play games, with bones of stupid young men as dice.

    FIFY

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    , @Ruckus
    @vox4non

    Old men write words, with the bones of bad commas as dice.

  • It is sometimes difficult to absorb how much the United States has changed in the past twenty years, and not for the better. When I was in grade school in the 1950s there was a favorite somewhat simplistic saying much employed by teachers to illustrate the success of the American way of life that prevailed...
  • Some economists have said the collapse of the USSR kept America from it’s own economic collapse. The cracks in the US system were showing back in 1978. The collapse has officially begun. How long it will take and how it will all turn out is still in question. For the time being most of America is living in denial. The system is broken on every level and the majority of people don’t want to admit it.

    • Agree: vox4non
  • @Miro23

    So, the myth of America trudges on with some new labels attached but otherwise pretty much the same. Many would argue that it is time for a reboot, to return to constitutionalism, small government and an end to pointless foreign wars and interventions.
     
    That's easier said than done. For example, the British Empire (1913 - 23% of the world's population and 24% of the earth's land area - plus cultural and linguistic dominance).

    It's all gone, but Britain still lives on the myth, involving its tiny navy in provocations of Russia off the Ukraine and China off Taiwan. The place desperately needs a reboot but it's not happening.

    For Great Britain the reality of Empire quickly turned to myth when it was bankrupted by WW1 and WW2. All the dominions, colonies, protectorates and mandates sought independence same as the US' Western European Protectorates are currently reevaluating their relationship with the US Empire.

    Realistically, the current US ZioGlob Empire has little to offer Europe.

    Replies: @antibeast

    It’s all gone, but Britain still lives on the myth, involving its tiny navy in provocations of Russia off the Ukraine and China off Taiwan. The place desperately needs a reboot but it’s not happening.

    And that British warship is the ONLY vessel in operating condition in the British Navy. LOL!

    For Great Britain the reality of Empire quickly turned to myth when it was bankrupted by WW1 and WW2. All the dominions, colonies, protectorates and mandates sought independence same as the US’ Western European Protectorates are currently reevaluating their relationship with the US Empire.

    The British Empire started its decline in the aftermath of WWI and disintegrated over a period of a few decades after WWII. But the USA Empire is following a different course, much more similar to the USSR whose internal contradictions led to its demise, rather than to the British Empire which suffered from external shocks leading to its decline and fall.

    Contrary to Western propaganda by the US Deep State, China does not pose any existential threat at all to US hegemony because China does not go out of its way to oppose US military adventurism in places like Iraq and Afghanistan. What freaks out the Yanks is that China is doing too well in its internal affairs which contrasts with the abysmal condition of the USA Empire whether its society, economy or politics, not to mention its pathetic failures in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. Just like the USSR, the USA Empire is being torn apart not by external shocks but by its internal contradictions. And just like their British cousins, the delusional Yanks may take a few more decades before they realize that their Empire’s glory days are gone with the wind.

  • @anonymous
    @Anonymous


    Allah–a deity
     
    A "deity" represents a pagan mangod (or animalgod, womangod...), such as, the Chrizzian "father" or the "son," the Juden "in-man's-image" deity, the Dindoo shiva or vishnu or lakshmi... (I don't think this comment field can fit in all the others), the Buddhist buddha, and so on.

    Can you see the common pattern here? "gods" as man-like beings. These are "deities."

    None of that pagan abomination applies to Allah SWT, the One and only God of all existence. Muslims do not worship a deity, muslims worship, God, and none else. Muslims are not of the accursed pagans.

    The rest of your post was gibberish. Must be due to the paganism fried faeces-for-brains you have in that thick skull of yours.

    Replies: @vox4non

    God and deity are synonymous. From their basic definitions, they both represent a supreme power. God is generally used in context to male gods, whereas deity can be used to refer to both god and goddess (female gods).

    Being so severe and absolute makes one think of you as an extremist, sadly all too common of your ilk; and the Christian fundamentalists too.

  • Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin has addressed the “small eye yella muffagguahs” and the threat they pose to “dem bitches out der.” Speaking on China’s claims that the US is being very aggressive, Austin said, “the drama really means nothing to me.” When a NATO member asked how the United States would respond if faced...
  • anon[288] • Disclaimer says:

    Euro lad here. . .

    If you Yanks and our little banana friends would hurry up and have your little blow up, we’d be ever so greatful. Given that you two nutjobs are the biggest sources of evil in the world – (ok, ok my lil yellow “friends”, I admit the Yanks are 85 -90 % but you are the rest) . . .

    Cheerio, and thanks.

    PS.I’ve stocked up on popcorn and am therefore looking forward to your gnashing of teeth the screaming, wailing and the flood in the valley of tears.

    PPS. Do you think you could manage to kill yourselves off without doing to much damage to the environment? Much appreciated.

    • LOL: vox4non
    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    @anon

    On the other hand, you must admit, that the U.K. or Australia, the probable places you are posting from, don't need any yanks to keep you from blowing up, considering the state your nations are in. Cheerio.

    Replies: @cohen

    , @Dennis Dale
    @anon

    How dare you insult the Chinese like that. We know you like to recruit your bulls from deepest darkest Africa but show a little respect for the last sane civilization out there.

    , @Druid
    @anon

    I think this war should be hand~to`hand, and should be fought by politicians’ children, negroes, antifascists, BLM and jews!

    Replies: @Sir Launcelot Canning

    , @Antiwar7
    @anon

    Europe destroyed Libya, and France is still meddling in Africa. Europe is also needlessly antagonizing Russia. Europe did not back up its end of the Iran deal, etc, etc....

    , @Wade Hampton
    @anon

    10-4, good buddy. And while we are doing that, be sure to import more Syrians, Afghans, Nigerians and Pakistanis. That will help with your crime problems.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @Gidoutahere
    @anon

    I'm not worried. We have we have Sillyvester Stallone, Bruce Willis, Schwarzenegger, Clint Eastwood, Kevin Costner, Van Damme, De Niro, Pacino, Tom Cruise, etc. Alec Baldwin has been placed on temporary suspension pending gun handling rehab.

    , @TKK
    @anon

    Fat soccer moms with double chins love the snark about the "popcorn." I hear it every week when they are licking their thin lips over some drama in court that they relish...where their "enemies" are "gonna get it."

    Is that what you are?

    Because you are not a man.

    War is not a joke, and the working class in America have no say in ANYTHING. They can't even protest a stolen election.

    Keep laughing at our misery. Everything that happens here happens in Western Europe , but worse. But I am betting you are an obese wigger/woman in Maryland who voted for Biden.

    , @kihowi
    @anon

    You don't sound British and satirical, you just sound like you're trying too hard.

    , @Zoran Aleksic
    @anon

    Agree to all. However, methinks, it wouldn't be "cheerio and thanks " but "So long and thanks for all the fish ".

  • As long as Lloyd Austin, and his family, is deployed downrange in harm’s way, in the open, when the USA counterattack begins.

    Taiwan is a Chinese affair. All pain, no gain for USA.

    USA hasn’t fought a peer level conflict since WW2, and still has a losing record.

    China is a diversion from the terminal malaise at home.

    • Agree: vox4non
  • Like every individual in the Biden Administration, the bumbling menace Antony Blinken stumbles from weird event to ensuing weird event. His latest strange and confounding behavior is asserting the claim that the false country of Taiwan should join the UN. What the Biden Administration is doing is the equivalent of poking China with a stick....
  • If China are smart which I think they are they’ll just come out and say they won’t be provoked into any dumb invasion of Taiwan the US can say what it likes but Taiwan will keep for another day.

    China / Russia have a veto on any attempts to admit Taiwan anyway to the UN.

    • Agree: R.C., vox4non
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Ross23

    And since China won’t do this simple (and obvious) thing, what can we conclude?

    A more general observation: it doesn’t seem to bother the Team China trolls in the least that the CCP isn’t loudly accusing the US of a biowarfare attack (that these trolls are convinced happened). What does this tell you?

    , @mocissepvis
    @Ross23

    If the U.S. "invades" and occupies Taiwan and treats it like it treats every other country it has invaded and occupied of late ("bringing 'democracy' to the world"), the Taiwanese will be begging Beijing to liberate them in very short order.

    , @ricpic
    @Ross23

    It would be a tremendous loss of face for China (Xi and the CCP) to publicly say what you'd like it to say: "Taiwan will keep for another day." They may well make that decision or already have made that decision but to say publicly that China is renouncing the sacred duty to reunify (actually swallow) Taiwan back into the mainland? Never happen.

  • Michael Korn [AKA "Mevashir"] says:
    @mulga mumblebrain
    @Showmethereal

    The propaganda against China is eternal and innate in the West. These are Chinese, an INFERIOR race to the White, Western, Gods upon the Earth. For China to become the leading economy, leader in science and technology and leader of the non-Western global majority, is a crime against GOD! Moreover, the Judaic cult, that so heavily influences the ruling Zionazis and Christian Zionazis and the political Sabbat Goyim in the West, explicitly places the Chinese lower down the hierarchy of the goyim, all, naturally, beneath the Jews.
    Once China's rise became apparent, the war plans grew ever more fervent. The switch here in Austfailia, from friendly relations, mass Chinese tourism and tens of thousands of Chinese students subsidising our tertiary system, to unrelenting, hysterical, and nakedly racist HATRED was quick, and driven by the American Murdoch's media hate-machine, US agents of influence ('protected sources' of the US Embassy)in both major parties, here, US financed 'think-tanks', and the local Zionazis. Very early on a leading Zionazi in our Parliament led the hate campaign, when relations, on the surface, were good. To criticise the trade-mark hatred would have been 'antisemitic' of course.
    Now the political thugs of the current regime, the worst ever, in an unbroken descent since 1975, talk openly of war on China, joined by the Rightwing of the Labor 'opposition'. That such a war, one way or another, would end this 'country' (really a colony of the USA)seems not to have occurred to them, so drunk on race, civilizational and ideological hate are they.

    Replies: @DanFromCT, @Miro23, @Chris Moore, @Reg Cæsar, @Michael Korn

    Many years ago I saw an interesting photo on the internet. The top of the photo showed a Chinese University graduation event. The men were dressed in jackets and ties and the women in dresses. Everyone looked smart and respectful. The bottom photo showed a graduation party at a fraternity of an American University. The students were wearing shorts and rags. Many of the women were topless. Most of them were holding bottles of beer or joints of marijuana and laughing at the camera. I thought way back then that this is a sure sign that America is doomed.

    If the Chinese can be patient America will implode from within. There can be no question if this. My American Christian friends love to rant against Chinese Communism. But I think the PRC is really a form of the old Chinese emperor system. China is a very ancient culture with a proud and dignified religious moral and intellectual tradition. I pray to God that they can replace the degenerate United States.

    As for the claims that China cannot compete with America economically, that seems like an incredible delusion. China is America’s biggest debt holder. It could purchase half the real estate in our country if it wanted to. The Chinese are intelligent hard-working focused ambitious and respectful of parents and political authorities. I pray to God the vile and vulgar American degenerate culture will not subvert China’s inherent ancient dignity.

    Anyone who looks honestly at the global scene today and wishes for America to militarily destroy or humiliate China can only be motivated by sheer satanic stupidity. Even under Communism, China appears infinitely more noble and dignified than the American system of Christian-Zionist hypocrisy and massive cultural degeneracy.

    • Agree: Miro23, vox4non
  • It seems like the more China progresses, the louder the bleating from the Americans. So many of these Americans borrow the glory of their forefathers like a cloak to cover their inadequacies. They can only fantasise but contribute so little to the common good.

    Europe will do well to stay away from the mischief of these “agreement-incapable” Americans, as their extortion of our industries has shown, and not get dragged into an unnecessary conflict with China – like this latest shenanigan from the USA.

  • Some might recall candidate Joe Biden’s pledge to work to rejoin the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) which was a multilateral agreement intended to limit Iran’s ability to develop a nuclear weapon. The JCPOA was signed by President Barack Obama in 2015, when Biden was Vice President, and was considered one of the only...
  • It is astonishing how little control Americans have over their own foreign policy. The dumb bastards mock and taunt Europeans and others, but they are merely the goyim and cattle Israel uses to advance its proxy wars. For a nation of puffed-up, self-styled sophisticates, they struggle to see reality. I hope China delivers a crushing lesson in humility.

  • Like every individual in the Biden Administration, the bumbling menace Antony Blinken stumbles from weird event to ensuing weird event. His latest strange and confounding behavior is asserting the claim that the false country of Taiwan should join the UN. What the Biden Administration is doing is the equivalent of poking China with a stick....
  • Doesn’t the USA know about the law of unintended consequences, and the law of action and reaction? Every time the USA tries something to handicap China, China develops a new response. Remember 1996 when the Nimitz and its task force sailed through the Taiwan Straits. Then China developed its DF17 missiles. Now, let’s see a carrier task force do the same.

    Same for Russia, they tried sanctions and sabotaging the Nordstream 2. Now, Russia has excess food and fuel capacity, and a diversified market. Plus, a strengthened mutual partnership with China, and an enlarged footprint in the Middle East that is actually welcomed by the locals.

    I’m not sure if the USA and its bombastic mouthpieces here realise that every time they tried to bluster and coerce someone, they get the opposite results? Have they forgotten a quote from one of their own, “Speak softly and carry a big stick”? Nowadays, it seems like American policy is the opposite.

    The faux pas happens so frequently that I wonder if the oligarchy that is actually guiding these to the detriment of the average American, realise what they are accomplishing? Then sadly, I realise the general level of intelligence in that country and see that leadership with the likes of Marcus Aurelius has long gone, and that we’ll see the long slow decline of Americana.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    @vox4non


    the USA and its bombastic mouthpieces
     
    I refer to use a new term "arsepieces" :-D
    , @Avery
    @vox4non

    You make very good points.
    Myself have been wondering that, as I am sure have many others.
    Some of my thoughts:

    { realise that every time they tried to bluster and coerce someone,}

    The bullyboys are still of the mindset that US is as she was just after Soviet Union collapsed. They are a hyperpower and can do anything. The usual diseases of all empires on their deathbed.
    Plus, they have terrorized so many defenseless little countries, they have tasted blood, can't think straight, and can't stop.


    {the USA know about the law of unintended consequences,}

    After living in US so many years and diligently following US politics and such, still can't figure these psychopaths. But, I see two possibilities:

    1) These people - Anglo-Americans or as Churchill called them the 'English speaking peoples' - seem to have a genetic need to be present and dominate every corner of the world*. They don't seem to comprehend that Russia and China, for example, have their own "neighborhood" and are rightly concerned about their own peoples' safety and security. And it isn't as if the concept is foreign to America's rulers: way back, President Monroe asserted that all of the Americas (Norht and South) was pretty much US's own neighborhood.

    2) The other is that the whole charade is to keep up tensions, so Pentagon can keep sucking up more and more 100s of $ billions, and the sheeple's attention can be misdirected from the crumbling infrastructure, the Covid mandates and repression of our civil liberties, the gradual elimination of our Rights, ......

    __________________________
    * US considers the Black Sea of "strategic US interest" and insists on sending warships there to needle Russia. Imagine if Russia or China announced "....the Gulf of Mexico is of strategic interest to us....."

    Replies: @showmethereal

  • [Excerpted from the latest Radio Derb, now available exclusively through VDARE.com] Here is an email I got from a reader. I'll give it to you straight: Now there's food for thought. To start where my reader ends: Shall we have to choose between the two soon, or ever? That I doubt. We're heading to a...
  • John Derbyshire has a good point, about the Chinese Cultural Revolution, et al. But, when I returned from China, walking through LAX airport to my domestic-flight gate, the transition was too abrupt and shocking. In the two weeks in China, I had gotten use to interacting with well dressed, well-mannered and intelligent people. In LAX, I was surrounded by pure 100% psychotic trash — people with earrings over their face, colored hair, obese people unable to fit into chairs, well dressed white women coupled to rap-dressed blacks, uncomprehending stupid people, people speaking in dozens of languages. No normal people at all. For me it was a frog in a boiling water syndrome. You just don’t know how bad it is until you see it contrasted, as I did.

    • Thanks: Miro23
    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
    @ruralguy

    I've been to Taiwan and had a similar impression. It's a nation of well-dressed, fit, productive, polite people.

    Replies: @Badger Down, @HbutnotG

    , @CelestiaQuesta
    @ruralguy

    You don’t need to go to LAX to see the human filth now parading around as normal, just watch any Netflix, Apple, or whatever “Original” now streaming and you’ll see that exact same subhuman trash being cast as saviors of humanity.
    As the great sage John Derbyshire once proclaimed, “We Are Doomed”.
    Btw, San FranSicko International is worse.

    , @Decoy
    @ruralguy

    A walk through any big northern city airport is really an eye opener. One has to wonder how many obese people should be allowed on one aircraft. I think it would be reasonable to sell tickets that requires a premium for over 220 lbs.

  • @Anon

    Is China’s astronaut corps fifty-fifty male and female?
     
    NB: they’re called taikonauts in China.

    I got that from George Thompson’s Echoes of Apollo about a U.S. v. China space war. Thompson— a space buff and former Navy commander & USN fighter pilot— wrote a very technically-accurate and technically-detailed techno thriller involving a Chinese mission to the moon.


    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51lT6lUjNGL._SY346_.jpg

    https://apollonovel.com/the-book/

     

    Replies: @vox4non

    Actually, they are officially called 航天员 (hángtiānyuán). The term taikonaut is informal, a mash of 太空 (tàikōng) and astronaut.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    @vox4non

    I think the formal term should be yuhangyuan - 宇航员. And it sounds better too.

  • @Carlton Meyer

    As for us, I think we shall hold true to Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery’s Two Rules of War:

    Rule One—Don’t invade Russia.
    Rule Two—Don’t invade China.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzF8G429eN0

    Replies: @vox4non, @Quartermaster

    Makes you glad that Truman was able to stop MacArthur.

  • Sanitism vs Vanitism

    US is like sort of like China under the Ching-Manchu Dynasty. Manchus, 2% of China, ruled over the empire. Today, Han Chinese rule China.

    US used to be ruled by white Christians but is now ruled by Jews who are 2% of the population.
    Jews push White Nakba, GloboHomo, and ACOWW(Afro-Colonization of White Wombs).
    And, whites cuck to Jews and blame either Russia(if libby-dib) or China(if conzo) for their woes.

    • Agree: vox4non
    • Replies: @mocissepvis
    @Priss Factor


    And, whites ... blame either Russia(if libby-dib)
     
    Because Russia 1) openly persecuted Jews during Tsarist times, and 2) is no longer Communist (this being more unforgiveable in Jewish eyes than #1)

    ...or China(if conzo) ...
     
    China, while still (at least nominally) Communist (ordinarily a big plus in Jewish eyes), is competing with dah Jooz for primacy of influence and wealth within conquered Amerika, to which dah Jooz do NOT take kindly. Thus the enmity.

    White people shouldn't be hating on either Russia or China for either of these reasons (or really for any logical reason at all on a national level), but since the goy have succumbed so completely to the Jews-and-Israel-are-our-BFFs-always-have-been-and-always-will-be brainwashing, they'll hate whomever their Schlomo masters order them to hate, even when doing so is contrary to their own best interests as white people.

  • This reminds me of a very popular joke that was going around Chinese Social Media a few years ago, about Chairman Mao coming back to life and asking all sorts of questions about the state of the modern world:

  • Munga Bulga [AKA "HeebHunter"] says:
    @anon
    What works for China doesn't necessarily work for the US, and vice versa. Different history, different culture, different people. Given the great success the US has had since the founding of the country, it is obvious that the Americans got something that has worked out for the them. It is still the most powerful and prosperous country in the world. People want to go to live the USA, not China.


    But lately, keeping their citizens safe is not one of American strengths, though.


    https://youtu.be/hOY47kB3ots?t=541

    vs

    https://youtu.be/LFj_gPWZRbk?t=6

    Replies: @Munga Bulga

    People “want” to live in muttmerica because the Chinese don’t hand out visa for stupid reasons/dirty kikes. Also if there were to be any caravan at the border, the general Chinese sentiment is “get rekt”.

    But it is true. Put on a tan and join the shitskin caravan to muttmerica. And claim the 450k. Most people would do that.

    • Agree: vox4non
  • Earlier: “Blacks With Brains”— Indian Leftists Show Downside Of Merit-Based Immigration Last November, a 37-year-old Indian immigrant you’ve never heard of became Chief Executive Officer of Twitter. His name is Parag Agrawal, a tongue-twisting moniker not as tongue-twisting, fortunately, as that of Apu Nahasapeemapetilon, the Indian who ran the Kwik-E-Mart on The Simpsons. Unfortunately, Agrawal...
  • I had worked with Indians from India, South East Asia, Europe and the US. While the levels of pugnaciousness varied, the commonalities were the same (argumentative, dishonest, venal and self-aggrandising) . They will smile to your face and pander to you, especially if you are white and come from the richer countries.

    To be fair, when working with Indians, there was a very small minority that could be considered reliable and trustworthy. Alas, that was a very small minority (like 1 in 90).

    Indians are natural sycophants to higher up, always overpromising and ready with an excuse. Perhaps that is why in a working structure like ours, they climb the corporate ladder quickly because they know how to game it, and stupid upper executives are too busy being pandered to look closer.

    Indians will be “good” subordinates (act like the ideal worker in front of you), treacherous peers (take credit for ideas and work not theirs, badmouth and sabotage you), and overbearing superiors (you haven’t seen bossy and overbearing till you work under an Indian superior).

    Worst still, once one gets a foot in, a tribal nepotism takes over where they progressively get more of their own kind, regardless of competency, into the same department and thereafter across the company. Have a look at the IT depts in MNCs and you will see the same picture. At the same time, the level of competency declines. In a way, I’m pleased to see so many Indians coming into those large corporations and banks like Twitter and Standard Chartered – it simply means the inevitable end for these too big to fail companies. Have you seen anything innovative from them after the large influx of Indians?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    @vox4non

    Same experience. There are some very competent, honest, reliable and trustworthy but very few.

  • After years of behaving like a teenager shadow boxing in the basement of his mother’s house, playing out the fantasy of knocking out Ivan Drago in the 1985 movie Rocky IV, the US and NATO find themselves confronting the reality. – SCOTT RITTER Being a member of NATO used to be pretty cost-free: fun even....
  • @Badger Down
    I'd like to send some money to help Afghans in Afghanistan. Unfortunately every charity I can find sends part of the money to the USA, to help Afghan refugees there. I don't want to do that.

    Replies: @vox4non

    And only a minute amount actually goes to the person in need, after deducting “administrative” costs.

  • “Joint Statement of the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China on International Relations Entering a New Era and lobal Sustainable Development” 4 February 2022. (English) (Russian). This document is the grand strategic manifesto of a new world order and there is much more to be said about it than what follows. I believe...
  • @MLK
    @Reality Reporter


    The Chinese worship on this site is frankly ridiculous.
     
    I agree, though more than ridiculous, it's an important tell and downright embarrassing to whomever traffics in it.

    China won a fifth-generational war against the US government in 2020. Not against the American people which, believe me, will prove to be a world-historical painful handful.

    I'm not going to belabor what I have innumerable times. Either you accept that the last thirty-years has been a Sad Story of its own making for the US or you're lost. I bet if even the smartest among you were given absolute control and charged with conjuring a f**k-up of this magnitude and comprehensiveness you couldn't get it done.

    Despite driving them into a strategic alliance (and more, to hear them both tell it), don't conflate these two sovereigns and peoples. In other words, and not to put to fine a point on it, their close collaboration is a function of our disfunction generally, and China's infiltration, compromise and capture of the current illegitimate regime in Washington and much of our decadent and tired ruling and governing classes.

    Do yourself a favor, consider this moment first from Russia's perspective -- both its sovereign and its people. Say what you will about the Russians, there is nothing in their history that even hints that they want to be a tributary of China, which is what the US has become.

    For better or worse, I prefer to simplify. It really doesn't do us any good to refuse to acknowledge,--because it makes a lot of swells feel bad about themselves-- that Russia played its post-Cold War piss-poor hand of cards brilliantly. It's getting its well-deserved do-over one way or another.

    As for the civilizational model, what kind of an ignorant rube wants the Han Empire -- fueled by Maoism, with dominion over the globe.

    This situation will continue to get worse, not just for the American people but the entire globe, until Trump is back where he belongs in the Oval Office.

    Replies: @skrik, @Greta Handel, @xyzxy, @haha, @Badger Down, @vox4non, @denk, @RadicalCenter

    Just when you thought it would be safe to go out, here you come with “until Trump is back where he belongs in the Oval Office”.

    Oh dear, delusion is a powerful thing, isn’t it? And all your vain hopes pinned on that excuse for a human.

    Really pity the thinking American (not many left, I suspect) that all his choices of leadership was either a narcissistic swindler or an over touchy senile senior.

    • Replies: @MLK
    @vox4non

    I'm responding to you because as of this writing you're the last of several spit and sputter commenters triggered by my comment on Trump.

    As I've explained previously, anyone who is anybody, foreign and domestic, wholly and unrelentingly committed to "Trump Must Go!" because he was a real POTUS. A sharp break from the (increasingly so) figureheads/pitchmen for the permanent government leviathan of his three predecessors.

    Biden was selected to be installed as the headliner of the illegitimate regime as a demonstration of their power. If we keep objecting to their malefactions, I won't be at all surprised if they attempt to further humiliate this great republic by making 'Big Mike' president.

    Replies: @vox4non

  • “Facta non verba (Latin: Deeds not words)” as the ancients would say. On one hand, you have Russia and China (especially China) going out to build and make trade while on the other, you see the USA and its lapdogs threaten or wage war on anyone that won’t toe their line.

    The AngloAmerican cabal have used every excuse to wrought havoc and destruction across the world, yet they can blithely claim they are bringers of prosperity and peace, and that ever elusive democracy; yet suppress their fellow citizens when it doesn’t fit their narrative (Julian Assange). For all their faults, the Russians and Chinese can at the very least be seen to be actually doing something for their fellow citizens.

    The rest of the world, having seen the true nature of the imperial beast, tires of the ways that the AngloAmerican cabal tries to subvert their political system, ransack their economy, corrupt their young, and reduce them to a state of dependency. Pious words not matched by degenerate deeds.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    @vox4non

    A fitting article to follow your comment:

    https://asiatimes.com/2022/02/is-the-ukraine-crisis-just-another-us-charade/

    Replies: @Mehool Mehta

    , @The_Masterwang
    @vox4non

    Most people can't see the true nature of anything.

    , @erzberger
    @vox4non

    Agree. A country that votes for a moron like Trump or Johnson not only demonstrates that it can no longer be taken seriously. It also poses the serious question whether democracy is a serious, sustainable form of government. And that’s where we are.

    of course, the Greek philosophers already had serious doubts about democracy.

    I watched an interview on the Ukraine crisis the other day during which Paul Jay tells Lawrence Wilkerson:

    “ I mean, the insanity of this whole thing. It takes me back to the stories of Lyndon Johnson during the Vietnam War when they knew they were going to lose, and they knew it was pointless, and they knew there wasn’t really going to be any big domino effect. And Johnson says, according to the stories, and tell me if I’m wrong because you probably know the story better than me. He pulls his pants down, shows his dick, and says, look how big it is, and that’s what this is about.”

    We had more of this garbage during the Trump campaign (“small hands”), continued during his presidency (“little rocket man” vs Trumps “bigger and better button”)

    The Ukraine crisis , in a nutshell, was announced in a comedy stunt performed by current Ukrainian president Zelensky:

    https://youtu.be/HbmZrzN3WFE

    Remember how Z grovelled to Trump’s bigger button in the Ukrainegate/impeachment tape?

    Ukraine is not a democracy but a sad and serious joke with the potential to destroy the lives of tens of millions of people, with a clown in charge.

  • @MLK
    @vox4non

    I'm responding to you because as of this writing you're the last of several spit and sputter commenters triggered by my comment on Trump.

    As I've explained previously, anyone who is anybody, foreign and domestic, wholly and unrelentingly committed to "Trump Must Go!" because he was a real POTUS. A sharp break from the (increasingly so) figureheads/pitchmen for the permanent government leviathan of his three predecessors.

    Biden was selected to be installed as the headliner of the illegitimate regime as a demonstration of their power. If we keep objecting to their malefactions, I won't be at all surprised if they attempt to further humiliate this great republic by making 'Big Mike' president.

    Replies: @vox4non

    How was Trump a “real POTUS”? Let’s try this simple metric:

    Political – Has Trump reinforced the system of democracy? Has he reinforced relationships with allies, friends? Everywhere he went, he found some way to insult. His behaviour was more of a bully threatening EU nations, extorting more money from Japan and Korea. The only country that he seemed strangely deferential to was Russia. Makes one wonder what hold Putin has over him to make Trump his patsy.

    Economic – How much real economic benefit has his polices or his administration brought? His trade war with China was so bang on that the imports from China actually increased. Plus it contributed greatly to the decades breaking inflation. So much for quick and easy to win. Moreover, instead of making China dependent on the main technological exports from the USA, he has driven China to be more self-sufficient.

    Social – Has there ever been a more divisive or polarising POTUS than him? His remarks are like fuel to the fire. Did racial relationships improve? Did the GINI coefficient (an objective measure) divide improve? Plus he wanted to take away healthcare for millions of needy people. And you think he has your best interests at heart?

    Technology – Has he spearheaded any groundbreaking advances or improved the awareness of science? At every turn, he has shown himself unwilling to learn and at the same time mock valid evidences of scientific fact.

    Hah. If anything, I would say that Trump was an enabler to degrade the USA for its competitors.
    How, by any stretch of the imagination, can anyone claim he was a real POTUS? All he did was to reinforce the bigotry and exploit a certain segment of the population. Under him, the brand of the USA has been irredeemably tarnished. He has also created a dangerous atmosphere of making his supporters believe that violence is acceptable to overturn the results of democracy.

    I think you support him so much since it resonates it with the morality and worldview you have, which is troubling to say the least.

  • @Mehool Mehta
    @Deep Thought

    Deep Throat Bhai,
    You Amrikia always look down on India and say those Chinki and Porkistanis have more potential than us, because of your Victorian era racism against us. But even though evil pig Erdogandu's Turkey doing stupid things lately, stupidly interfering in affairs of our great India and collapsing, LOL. But some Turks, we agree are intelligent. They realize the India's potential.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKGWPLgUjSU
    Turkish Political Scientist: China will lose against India
    Watch for yourself, you dirty American pig.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXecdG43Agg
    Middle Income Trap: Why few escape? | Real Turkey
    Even the Turkish gentleman above, very intelligent man, agrees at the end of the above video that democratic India full of talent will beat evil dictator Chinkis.
    Hahaha
    -----Mehool Bhai, Mumbai

    Replies: @DevilAdvocate, @vox4non

    Stay on your medication. Oh nevermind, carry on, always such a comedy with your comments.

    • Replies: @Mehool Mehta
    @vox4non

    Hey idiot, Vomit4me, see the videos.
    Vomit4me Bhai, are you Chinese, White or Muslim? You burn with jealousy of India.
    See the first video,
    Turkish Prof. Dr. Süleyman Seyfi Öğün says: Turkey has to invest urgently more into the software industry. We have made such a special agreement with India, it's an important one. Let me clearly say this: Everyone is looking to China and values them, I am looking towards India, sorry. Because China will lose. Look China has enormous problems. First of all, this one party system, supreme leader ideas.
    Famous Turkish journalist Avni Özgürel says: Sir, even Kashmir is a China fueled war, it was always the main actor behind, India and Pakistan are only on the surface.
    Turkish Prof. Dr. Süleyman Seyfi Öğün says: Many are speaking about the aggression of Pentagon, CENTCOM etc, is China less aggressive? China is thousand times more aggressive! Therefore, I don't believe that China can ever accomplish its political success. Look who has here the best chance: Someone who has much more softened traditions, much more weird but practical solutions, their fast adaptation, such a colourful folk live in India with common values. And India will win this race. Of course we will see this in the last 100 m sprint, but I think so. And China's only problem is not only USA but also Russia. China has numerous problems, not only a few. It's very difficult for China to get out of these issues.The real owner of the silk road is not China but INDIA. Even in history it was like this if you look. Ex orient illumina they are calling, the shining sun is coming from the east, they say it's China with the silk road, absolutely wrong, it's INDIA. The true richness in the antique world was always India. The spice road and silkroad crosses there.
    Famous Turkish journalist Avni Özgürel says: Even the Hong Kong issue shows us the realities of China. Since one week the flag burnings.and despite the fact that China has dropped the law
    Turkish Prof. Dr. Süleyman Seyfi Öğün says: 4-5 banks in China are bankrupt in the last months. Look, because of the ongoing crisis with the USA, most of these are kept secret. And they went bankrupt because of corruption. Of course we have emotional bonds with Pakistan, but India is a very good country for Turkey too.

    In second video, Turkish economist Atilla Yeşilada says 24:33 mins
    Xi Jingping is returning to Mao, and would that experiment will work remains to be seen. But in my view in the next 20 years, the west shall stay the west and East shall stay the East, meaning that the long term projections about China becoming more powerful and richer than the USA or Western Europe, well I take it with a grain of salt. If there is one country in Asia or the World which is currently underdeveloped or developing and that has the potential to become more powerful and richer than USA and Western Europe is India. Despite its chaotic nature. India is a democracy and people are extremely out spoken. And it has a working court system. And it has a younger population.
    ------Mehool Bhai, enjoying your jealousy.

  • @vox4non
    "Facta non verba (Latin: Deeds not words)" as the ancients would say. On one hand, you have Russia and China (especially China) going out to build and make trade while on the other, you see the USA and its lapdogs threaten or wage war on anyone that won't toe their line.

    The AngloAmerican cabal have used every excuse to wrought havoc and destruction across the world, yet they can blithely claim they are bringers of prosperity and peace, and that ever elusive democracy; yet suppress their fellow citizens when it doesn't fit their narrative (Julian Assange). For all their faults, the Russians and Chinese can at the very least be seen to be actually doing something for their fellow citizens.

    The rest of the world, having seen the true nature of the imperial beast, tires of the ways that the AngloAmerican cabal tries to subvert their political system, ransack their economy, corrupt their young, and reduce them to a state of dependency. Pious words not matched by degenerate deeds.

    Replies: @Deep Thought, @The_Masterwang, @erzberger

    Agree. A country that votes for a moron like Trump or Johnson not only demonstrates that it can no longer be taken seriously. It also poses the serious question whether democracy is a serious, sustainable form of government. And that’s where we are.

    of course, the Greek philosophers already had serious doubts about democracy.

    I watched an interview on the Ukraine crisis the other day during which Paul Jay tells Lawrence Wilkerson:

    “ I mean, the insanity of this whole thing. It takes me back to the stories of Lyndon Johnson during the Vietnam War when they knew they were going to lose, and they knew it was pointless, and they knew there wasn’t really going to be any big domino effect. And Johnson says, according to the stories, and tell me if I’m wrong because you probably know the story better than me. He pulls his pants down, shows his dick, and says, look how big it is, and that’s what this is about.”

    We had more of this garbage during the Trump campaign (“small hands”), continued during his presidency (“little rocket man” vs Trumps “bigger and better button”)

    The Ukraine crisis , in a nutshell, was announced in a comedy stunt performed by current Ukrainian president Zelensky:

    Video Link

    Remember how Z grovelled to Trump’s bigger button in the Ukrainegate/impeachment tape?

    Ukraine is not a democracy but a sad and serious joke with the potential to destroy the lives of tens of millions of people, with a clown in charge.

    • Agree: vox4non
  • The CIA is a private company and they have a right to censor whoever they want to censor. Wait, no, I mean – wait. The CIA isn’t a private company, but Zero Hedge is a private company, which means that the CIA has a right to shut it down, because the First Amendment only says...
  • Well, I guess ZH was a useful idiot for the TPTB until it crossed the line.

  • So… You effectively declared a cold war on your two most powerful adversaries at the same time, bullying and harassing them with the military and sanctioning them. Then you got disturbed and surprised when they decided to ally together? Is it possible that these people are this stupid? RT: Washington is becoming increasingly concerned by...
  • @GomezAdddams
    Agreed --only one columnist dummer than a sack of hot fecal matter --the winner being Gordon G Chang---
    This Gordon G Chang is like Bulliwinkle trying to pull a rabbit out of his tophat ---time after time another failure but Fox News and Daily Beast keep penning his tripe.
    Gordon G Chang can not pull a rabbit out of his hat -so he eleicted to pull a hair out of his rectum.

    Replies: @mulga mumblebrain, @vox4non

    Gordon Chang has been so consistently wrong that I wonder if he’s a plant to lower their guard.

  • Update: Nailed it. Less than two hours after I said the thing, the media confirmed the thing. Original article follows. Again: it is impossible for any normal person to understand the implications of what is happening right now. Even I’m having a hard time processing it all, and I’m pretty good at processing deranged lunacy....
  • @Mehool Mehta
    @showmethereal

    Mehool Bhai here
    Showmedick Bhai writes


    China and India had a good relationship for many centuries.
     
    That is because the dirty snake eating Chinky barbarians were far away from us. The cunning Chinky barbarians conquered innocent Tibet, committed genocide and came to our border to cause trouble and take our land, Chinky barbarians back-stabbed India in 1962 by fooling Indians with 'Hindi Chini' bhai bhai. Our Prime Minister Nehru was Chinese mole and banned use of the Indian Air Force against the Imperialist Chinese dogs. The Chinese Communists are the new British Imperialists using salami slicing tactics to take Indian motherland.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdIxtXM5ofA
    Chinese Aggression and India's Neighbourhood Diplomacy

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ6ERF1M63w
    "The Indian Army did NOT lose the 1962 war with China. Nehru did." Maj. Maroof Raza

    Replies: @vox4non

    LOL. Another deranged Indian, with more bluster and heat.

    What Indian motherland? India is an artificial construct, thanks to the British, who conquered and stitched the Mughal, Maratha, Sikh, and Mysore empires together.

  • Previously: The Fate of the Brave Foreign Heroes Who Went to Fight for Glorious Aryan Gay Child Rimjobs Reports are now that 200 members of the Ukrainian “foreign legion” were killed in recent Russian bombings of a base near the Polish border. Thus far, there have been no reports of any of these 200 respawning....
  • Now that the shoe is on the other foot, these mercenaries and glory hounds belatedly realise what it is like when the opponent can shoot back with bullets, bombs, artillery shells and missiles. Were they thinking it was just another COIN against lightly armed combatants? Looking for glory a la Call of Duty or Counterstrike game? Perhaps their experience will scare adventure seekers from doing something foolhardy.

  • This is the top story when you look for what the mainstream media is saying about reports that Saudi Arabia is considering selling oil to China in yuan – from the financial geniuses at Bloomberg: I’m not a racist or anything, but I did have to chuckle a bit when I clicked that headline and...
  • @HammerJack
    @Rev. Spooner

    That should be fun. Though China has already been doing it, of course. It is weird, though, how we prattle on about "the rule of law" but quickly appropriate the property of individual Russians when their government does something we don't like.

    Imagine if other countries treated Americans that way. Before too long, I expect, we won't have to imagine.

    Replies: @vox4non

    And too many Americans and Europeans can’t see this difference. The double standards on the “rule of law” has definitely struck the rest of the world. Don’t blame others when the thirst for collective punishment is reciprocated.

  • Dear Jews: China is not Andrew Anglin, and they’re not Alex Jones. You can’t just declare a media war against them, organize a social media moral panic against them, and have them silenced. Sorry! It doesn’t work that way. Attempting to implement domestic moral shaming techniques against the Chinese government actually just makes you look...
  • @meamjojo
    There is more than one way to skin the Chinese cat. Xi wants a 3rd term as king of China's hill. Many are working to cut his legs out from under him on that possibility. Perhaps we'll be helping move Xi's displacement along and have better results with the next leader. Xi would be wise to start minding his own P's & Q's and kowtow to the number one SUPERPOWER - the USA!
    ---------
    Viral Anti-Xi Article Reveals CCP Infighting That May Derail His Bid for 3rd Term, Analysts Say
    By Nicole Hao
    Updated: February 14, 2022

    An article criticizing Chinese leader Xi Jinping was allowed to go viral in mainland China, which analysts say reflects the intense struggle among different factions within the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and its effect on Xi’s authority.

    While Xi amended the Party’s constitution successfully in 2018 to eliminate term limits, China experts have said he might not secure an unprecedented third term, a decision that will be revealed at the CCP’s Party Congress this fall.

    “The 40,000-word article listed mistakes that Xi Jinping has made in politics, economy, and diplomacy. It’s a summary of Xi’s ruling over the past nine years,” Li Hengqing, a China expert at the Washington Institute for Information and Strategy, told the Chinese-language edition of The Epoch Times on Feb. 8.

    “After 2018, we all said that there’s no force to stop Xi from taking a third term. Now we can see that the situation isn’t simple, and it’s unclear whether he can obtain it.

    “The article circulated broadly inside and outside of China. Even several friends from mainland China forwarded it to me. … It shows that the CCP factions against Xi are fighting to stop him from continuing in office.”
    ...
    https://www.theepochtimes.com/anti-xi-article-goes-viral-may-derail-xi-jinpings-plans-for-third-term_4274568.html

    Replies: @Rahan, @vox4non

    Another troglodyte for the Empire of Lies. Keep on wishing.

    Some Americans like to talk about the fear of One World Order, when the Project for New American Century (PNAC) is itself a blueprint for world domination. Talk about deception, or perhaps in some cases self-deception.

  • Question 1-- Can you explain to me why you think Russia is winning the war in Ukraine? Larry C. Johnson-- Within the first 24 hours of the Russian military operation in Ukraine, all Ukrainian Ground Radar Intercept capabilities were wiped out. Without those radars, the Ukrainian Air Force lost its ability to do air to...
  • @map
    @Uncle Sam


    When this war with Ukraine ends with a Ukrainian defeat, there is going to be alot of resentment and hatred on the part of the Maidan Ukrainians toward America.
     
    That's why CIA is building the Azov brigade as Eastern Europe's very own version of ISIS/Al Qaeda. They will start causing trouble all over EE and Russia and a large contingent of Ukrainians imported into the West will be part of this. A whole new anti-terror movement for the MIC to deal with.

    Replies: @vox4non

    Bringing in the radical Ukrainians could be cynically used to bolster more anti-terror measures to implement totalitarian controls (CCTVs, electronic snooping, reporting on neighbours) under the guise of fighting terrorism/nationalism etc.

    Orwell’s 1984 is starting to look scarily prophetic.

  • This is the top story when you look for what the mainstream media is saying about reports that Saudi Arabia is considering selling oil to China in yuan – from the financial geniuses at Bloomberg: I’m not a racist or anything, but I did have to chuckle a bit when I clicked that headline and...
  • @antibeast
    @mulga mumblebrain

    That’s what I don’t understand about these so-called ‘White Nationalists’ who believe in all these Alt-Right Conspiracy Theories regarding the alleged ‘rise of China’ as somehow part of a (((globalist))) conspiracy of some kind. While the (((globalists))) did play a major role in striking a deal with Deng to allow China into the WTO in exchange for Western access to the Chinese market, Deng did not allow the (((globalists))) to subvert China’s political-economic system as evidenced by the failed US-instigated ‘color’ revolution in Tiananmen. That’s how Deng formulated his ‘white cat, black cat‘ analogy wherein he explicitly stated China’s need to accommodate foreign Capital, regardless of their national origin, for as long as they contributed to the economic development of China. In other words, Deng allowed the (((white cats))) into the house in order to catch mice. What these so-called ‘White Nationalists’ need to understand is that China does not need to be ‘groomed’ by the (((globalists))) because the PRC has succeeded in establishing its own international institutions such as the SCO, BRI and AIIB, independent of the West, despite US attempts to ‘contain’ China, as evidenced by Obama’s Pivot to Asia, Trump’s Indo-Pacific Strategy, US-led QUAD (anti-China political bloc), US-led AUKUS (anti-China military bloc), HK ‘color’ revolution, etc. For the better part of eight years, the Obama Administration negotiated the TPP not to ‘groom’ China but to exclude China from the US-led trade pact. But Trump withdrew the USA from the TPP on his first day in office and imposed tariffs on Chinese exports to the USA which forced China to expedite the ratification of the RCEP as the biggest trade bloc in the world. What this means is that China’s trade and investment with BRI and RCEP countries will rise in the future even as Chinese exports to the US market has been declining due to the Trump Tariffs.

    Replies: @vox4non

    One key point that almost all forget or ignore is the a-ideological path that China has been on since Deng took control. It speaks to the pragmatic nature of the Chinese that whatever boat will get you there, it will do. The ideologues cannot fathom that when they try to pigeonhole China’s actions.

    • Replies: @antibeast
    @vox4non

    Most Westerners have been incessantly brainwashed to believe that ‘Communist China’ is to blame for all of the travails of their beloved ‘West’. That’s why Westerners constantly complain about ‘Communist China’ stealing their factory jobs or destroying their manufacturing industries even though much of the ‘outsourcing’ business was initiated by Western Capitalists themselves. So instead of realizing the origin and cause of their economic malaise to Western Capitalism itself, they are gaslighted to believe their delusional fantasies about their own racial, cultural or ideological superiority over those ‘heathen’ Orientals. The fact that China has surpassed the ‘West’ in high-speed rail, nuclear power, 5G/6G telecommunications, AI, quantum communications, space exploration, hypersonic missiles, fifth-generation fighter jets, etc. escapes their comprehension which requires their disbelief. So they resort to making up a fake history of how the (((globalists))) treacherously betrayed their beloved ‘West’ by aiding and abetting the rise of ‘Communist China’ to become what it is today.

    Replies: @vox4non

  • @antibeast
    @vox4non

    Most Westerners have been incessantly brainwashed to believe that ‘Communist China’ is to blame for all of the travails of their beloved ‘West’. That’s why Westerners constantly complain about ‘Communist China’ stealing their factory jobs or destroying their manufacturing industries even though much of the ‘outsourcing’ business was initiated by Western Capitalists themselves. So instead of realizing the origin and cause of their economic malaise to Western Capitalism itself, they are gaslighted to believe their delusional fantasies about their own racial, cultural or ideological superiority over those ‘heathen’ Orientals. The fact that China has surpassed the ‘West’ in high-speed rail, nuclear power, 5G/6G telecommunications, AI, quantum communications, space exploration, hypersonic missiles, fifth-generation fighter jets, etc. escapes their comprehension which requires their disbelief. So they resort to making up a fake history of how the (((globalists))) treacherously betrayed their beloved ‘West’ by aiding and abetting the rise of ‘Communist China’ to become what it is today.

    Replies: @vox4non

    So true. I can count on my fingers how many of these self-deluded people around even understand the difference between communism, socialism, capitalism, etc.; much less the social and economic history of the country they are talking about.

    Well, they have hit their moment of cognitive dissonance, and so they have to create fantasies in order to deal with the true reality. Perhaps those who cling hardest to their mindset, find it hardest to deal with reality. Mind you, the Chinese too had their own period of delusions in the 19th century. Thus being so rudely awakened by the Western powers, I doubt that their elites have any illusions dealing with Washington or London.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
  • The United States government is the king of the entire earth. They can force anyone to do anything, because of the strength of their values. No one is allowed to disagree with American wars. If people try to disagree with democracy wars, we will threaten and destroy them. That’s not just our values – that’s...
  • How will the likes of anglophile Indian cheerleaders now see their role? Will Indians finally realise that they were never seen as anything more than cat’s paws for Washington and London?
    Wasn’t there a saw about it’s dangerous being America’s enemy, but fatal being a friend?

  • The fun-loving goofball Joe Biden gave a speech in Poland on Saturday, calling for regime change in Russia, saying explicitly that Vladimir Putin has to be removed from power. “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.” The White House quickly corrected him, saying that what he meant to say was that Putin has...
  • The 82nd airborne is essentially light infantry. Against a combined arms army like the Russians have in Ukraine, they’d be massacred. The Russian general staff is probably puzzled if they’re not laughing their ass off.
    I’ve had a revelation. I think the left hand of the deep state doesn’t know what the right hand is doing. I think the MIC told the megalomaniacs in charge of conquering the world that, no problem, the US military is the best ever. And the megalomaniacs believed them. But the MIC has been producing overpriced crap weapons. Now we get silly sh-t like Biden threatening Russia with a bunch of light infantry, while the Russians counter-threaten with hypersonic missiles and hyperbaric MLRS’s. It’s like the Monte Python skit with the knight with arms chopped off.

    • Agree: vox4non
    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Sparkylyle92


    I think the left hand of the deep state doesn’t know what the right hand is doing.
     
    The culture of secrecy and classification contributes to this--if you are not "cleared" for the good stuff there is no way of understanding who has what capability.

    Bureacratic gamesmanship guarantees that large segments of .gov spend their time hiding stuff from the rest of .gov.

    This is what Tainter was talking about--societies and institutions eventually get so complex that they must collapse.

    Replies: @inspector general

    , @Deep Thought
    @Sparkylyle92


    The 82nd airborne is essentially light infantry. Against a combined arms army like the Russians have in Ukraine, they’d be massacred. The Russian general staff is probably puzzled if they’re not laughing their ass off.
     
    The Chinese PVA that entered Korea was also "essentially light infantry." If the 82nd airborne doesn't mind taking as much casualty as the Chinese did, why not? :-D
  • @meamjojo
    @Beavertales

    Russia shouldn't have invaded.

    I'd cut off their heads, fill a truck with them and then ship them special delivery to the Kremlin, attn: Putin.

    Replies: @Norma, @Sparkylyle92, @Avery, @vox4non

    {I’d cut off their heads, fill a truck with them and then ship them special delivery to the Kremlin, attn: Putin.}

    The war still going, Rambo.
    What are you waiting for?
    Why are you wasting time sitting in your safe, comfortable office writing posts @UNZ.com?

    Ukraine is calling: go East young man, go East.

    Go to Mariupol: maybe you’ll get lucky and will get to tangle with Chechen volunteers there.
    Show them how tough you are. Be careful though: Chechens are known for cutting the heads off of their enemies.
    While alive.

    Post some pictures from Mariupol @UNZ.com
    Don’t forget to write.
    We R all rooting for you, Rambojojo.

    • LOL: vox4non
  • @meamjojo
    @Beavertales

    Russia shouldn't have invaded.

    I'd cut off their heads, fill a truck with them and then ship them special delivery to the Kremlin, attn: Putin.

    Replies: @Norma, @Sparkylyle92, @Avery, @vox4non

    Hahaha. Another keyboard warrior. What are you waiting for? Why aren’t you with the rest of the swastika loving menschen in Ukraine, and get your choice of hump? Or you afraid of dirtying your two-toned nail polish?

  • Question 1-- Can you explain to me why you think Russia is winning the war in Ukraine? Larry C. Johnson-- Within the first 24 hours of the Russian military operation in Ukraine, all Ukrainian Ground Radar Intercept capabilities were wiped out. Without those radars, the Ukrainian Air Force lost its ability to do air to...
  • @Been_there_done_that
    @Mefobills


    Others are examining you NOT YOUR ARGUMENT.
     
    Your hysterical rants are almost entertaining. The whole point of forums like this, where everyone is anonymous with no accompanying image, is that it allows everyone to focus on the arguments – or lack of them – that are being presented. However, since you have lost the debate again due to your lack of credible arguments and evidence, you have found it necessary to try to distract readers toward something else, namely me, or more specifically your false characterization of me.

    Of course you could not know what others are actually doing, as you claim, unless you work at a troll farm, where your colleagues are sitting in one room with you, just a few feet away. The funny thing is that, since nobody knows me, they cannot examine me, only my arguments, because they will not probably trust what you say, since you are an extremist. Maybe you can convince a few other cultists that this war of aggression is all about gay parades and a few hundred militaristic "Nazis".

    Replies: @Mefobills, @James Charles

    “Professor John Mearsheimer Explains Who Is Responsible for the Ukraine-Russia Crisis
    By Vasko Kohlmayer

    March 24, 2022

    Professor John Mearsheimer is one of the most accomplished and distinguished political scientists in the world. A leading authority in the field of international relations, he has authored several seminal books and lectured extensively around the globe (see his website here).

    [MORE]

    Prof. Mearsheimer came to wider public consciousness through his 2015 lecture in which he discussed the origin and causes of the brewing Russo-Ukrainian conflict. The presentation is a true tour de force and has posted more than 22 million views to date. In that lecture Prof. Mearsheimer not only offered a superb analysis of the situation, but he also made a prediction that is being fulfilled right before our eyes. This is what he said more than six years ago:

    “The West is leading Ukraine down the primrose path, and the end result is that Ukraine is going to be wrecked.”

    You can watch this now famous 2015 lecture here.

    On February 15, 2022 – just nine days before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine – Professor Mearsheimer gave a Zoom talk about the intensifying crisis to students at King’s College in Cambridge. In less than 25 minutes, he provided a superb assessment of the fragile situation that barely a week later erupted into open war. If you wish to truly understand why this conflict arose and who is responsible, this is the best short explanation you can find. The clarity of Prof. Mearsheimer’s presentation is second to none.

    For those who prefer reading, below is a slightly edited transcript of Professor Mearsheimer’s talk.

    ***

    Prof. Mearsheimer: Let me do two things. First let me talk about the origins and the history of this crisis. Then I will talk about why it is on the front burner today. Finally, I will say a few words in conclusion about where we are headed.

    The conventional wisdom in the West is that Putin is responsible for this crisis. Most people think it is the Russians that are the guilty party here. There are good guys and bad guys in this, and, of course, we are the good guys, while the Russians are the bad guys.

    This thinking is simply wrong.

    It is the United States – and to some degree its allies – that are responsible for this crisis.

    Why do I say that?

    It’s very important to grasp what the West has been trying to do since 2008. It was to turn Ukraine into a western bulwark on Russia’s border. That policy had three dimensions to it: first and most important is NATO expansion. The idea was that we were going to expand NATO eastward to include Ukraine.

    The second element of the strategy was EU [European Union] expansion. In other words, it was not just NATO expansion that was going to go forward and include Ukraine; it was also EU.

    The third element of this strategy was the colour revolution, and in the case of Ukraine that was the Orange Revolution. The idea behind it was to turn Ukraine into a liberal democracy like Britain or the United States. Furthermore, it was supposed to be a liberal democracy that was aligned with the United States, because this is all part and parcel of that strategy that is designed to make Ukraine a western bulwark on Russia’s border.

    As I already said, the most important element of the strategy was NATO expansion, which is why the April 2008 Bucharest NATO summit is of immense importance. At the end of that summit, NATO announced that Georgia and Ukraine would become part of the alliance.

    The Russians, however, made it unequivocally clear that that was not going to happen. In other words, they drew a line in the sand. As you may know, there were two big tranches of NATO expansion before that 2008 meeting. The first tranche was processed in 1999 and included Poland Hungary and the Czech Republic. The second tranche came in 2004 and included countries like Romania, the Baltic States and so on.

    The Russians swallowed those two NATO expansions. They intensely disliked both, but they swallowed them. But when NATO said in 2008 that further expansion would now include Georgia and Ukraine, the Russians said “no.” The Russians said this was not going to happen.

    It is no accident that in August of 2008, a few months after the April 2008 Bucharest summit, a war broke out between Russia and Georgia. Remember that Georgia was the other country besides Ukraine that was going to be brought into NATO. The Russians, however, said “that ain’t happening,” and we had a war in August 2008 because of that.

    Then on the 22nd February of 2014, a crisis broke out over Ukraine. This was mainly precipitated by a coup in Ukraine that overthrew a pro-Russian leader and installed a pro-American leader. The United States was involved in that coup. Seeing this, the Russians unsurprisingly went ballistic, and they did two things in response: first is they took Crimea from Ukraine. If you want to know why, you need to understand that there is a very important naval base called Sevastopol in Crimea. There was simply no way the Russians were going to let Sevastopol become a NATO naval base, which was the principal reason why they took Crimea.

    The second thing the Russians did was to take advantage of a civil war that broke out in eastern Ukraine almost immediately after the February 2014 crisis. The Russians fuelled that civil war, and they have made sure that their allies, who were mainly Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine, were not defeated by the Ukrainian government. What the Russians were basically saying is this: “We will wreck Ukraine before we allow Ukraine to become a member of NATO.”

    It is very important for our understanding of the situation to realize that the 2014 crisis was Russia’s response to what had happened at the Bucharest NATO summit in 2008.

    The Russian response, then, was twofold: number one, they took Crimea. You should understand that Crimea is gone; it is never going back to Ukraine. And number two, they implicitly said that they would destroy Ukraine before they would let it enter NATO.

    Now the question you want to ask yourself is this: Why do people in the West, especially in places like Britain and the United States, not understand that what the Russians are doing is simply real politic 101. This just boggles my mind.

    After all, the notion that you could take a military alliance run by the United States – the most powerful country in the world – and bring it up to Russia’s borders and think that the Russians wouldn’t be bothered by it is simply naive.

    We in the United States have the Monroe Doctrine. The Monroe Doctrine says that no distant great power is allowed to form a military alliance with a country in the Western Hemisphere.

    I remember the Cuban missile crisis very well. What happened there was that the Soviets put nuclear tipped missiles in Cuba. The United States said that this was categorically unacceptable, because military forces from afar are not allowed in the Western Hemisphere. And because of that we got the Cuban missile crisis with the end result that those missiles were removed.

    When the Soviets were later talking about building a naval base at Cienfuegos, the United States told them in no uncertain terms that they were not going to build a naval base there. This was just not going to happen, because the United States views the Western Hemisphere as its backyard, and it prohibits distant great powers from coming into its backyard.

    Don’t you think, then, that the Russians would be deeply disturbed when the United States tried to turn Ukraine into a NATO bulwark right on its borders? Of course, they are going to be upset. The Russians told us that immediately after the Bucharest summit. They made it categorically clear that Ukraine is not going to become part of NATO.

    But the Americans and their allies did not listen, because we believe that we are the good guys. Here in the United States, we think we are a benign hegemon, and that and we can do pretty much anything we want in the world. For a while, it looked like we could get away with that. As I said, the Russians accepted the first NATO expansion in 1999 then another expansion in 2004.

    After the Bucharest summit in 2008, however, the Russians said Ukraine and Georgia were not going to go into NATO. As a result, we had a major crisis breaking out in February 2014. The crisis tamped down quite a bit after 2014, but in the fall of last year it began to ramp up. And now, in early 2022, it became a full-blown crisis and we want to understand why and how it happened.

    So, the question is this: Why has this crisis moved from the back burner to the front burner?

    It happened because the United States and its allies were turning Ukraine into a de facto member of NATO. Today you hear lot of rhetoric that the Russians really had nothing to worry about, because nobody is talking about making Ukraine a member of NATO. That’s technically true, but if you look carefully at what we were actually doing, it is a different story. First of all, going back to the Trump administration and continuing into the Biden administration, we were arming Ukraine.

    We were not arming Ukrainians during the Obama administration in February 2014 when the crisis broke out. We were not arming them in the first few years after that crisis when the Obama administration was in power. We refused to arm the Ukrainians because we knew it would enrage the Russians.

    It would have scared the Russians, because you must understand that the Russians view Ukraine becoming a part of NATO as an existential threat. This is what’s going on here: the Russians are sending a very clear message to the West. They are telling us that they take this threat seriously and are willing to use military force if necessary to eliminate it. The Russians are not fooling around here.

    What you had happening in 2021 – and, of course, it started before under the Trump administration – is we were arming the Ukrainians. And when you arm Ukrainians, you also arm those Ukrainian forces that fight against Russia’s allies in eastern Ukraine.

    One thing that really spooked the Russians was that the Turks gave the Ukrainians drones and drones have become a very effective weapon on the battlefield, as the Azerbaijanis proved against the Armenians last year. The Azerbaijanis were using Turkish drones. The Turks were giving the Ukrainians drones, and the Americans and the British were giving them all sorts of other weapons.

    We define those weapons as defensive weapons, but there is, of course, no meaningful distinction between defensive weapons and offensive weapons. What looks defensive to us looks offensive to them. If you are training the Ukrainian forces the way the British and the Americans have done, don’t you think the Russians are going to see that as a threat? I can guarantee you they will, and they are right.

    What has been happening is that we have been arming and training the Ukrainians. And if you look at how we have been dealing with Ukraine diplomatically, you will see that we were basically treating it as if it were an ally or a partner. It looked, then, as – diplomatically and militarily – the bonds between the West, especially the United States and Ukraine were tightening.

    At the same time, we were doing a number of provocative things outside of Ukraine that bothered the Russians enormously. The British foolishly ran a destroyer through Russian territorial waters in the Black Sea this past summer. The Americans took a bomber and drove it right up against the Russian coastline in the Black Sea. It is no surprise that the Russians were really disturbed by this.

    From all this, the Russians had a very powerful sense that NATO was moving eastward. They felt that NATO was moving right up to the Russian border, mainly by turning Ukraine into a de facto member of the alliance. Add to this the provocative measures with the British destroyer and the American bomber, and for the Russians things reached what their foreign minister Sergei Lavrov described as “the boiling point.” They had it, and they were no longer interested in negotiating anymore. They wanted to alter the status quo, and the end result is that we have this massive military build-up, which is doing enormous damage to the Ukrainian economy that was already a basket case before. The Ukraine situation is getting worse and worse; the Russians have sent a very clear signal to us that if the West upped the ante, they will also up the ante and Ukraine is not going to become part of NATO.

    So, this is where we are today. We have this major crisis on our hands which really goes back to April 2008. That was when the decision to make Ukraine part of NATO was taken. Then we had a crisis breakout in February 2014 [the American led Orange Revolution], which was overtime ameliorated somewhat and pushed to the backburner. Now it has suddenly broken out again.

    It there any hope we can settle this crisis?

    I’ll tell you what I think the best solution is. I think it is an obvious solution, but one that is politically unacceptable at this point in time. The obvious solution is to turn Ukraine into a neutral state, more or less a buffer between Russia on one side and NATO on the other. This is effectively what we had up until February 2014.

    Ukraine got its independence when the Soviet Union broke apart in December 1991, and from December 1991 until roughly early 2014 there was no real problem with Ukraine. The United States and its allies were not fighting with the Russians over Ukraine. There was a verbal dispute going back to the April 2008 Bucharest summit, but there was no crisis because from 1991 until 2013 Ukraine was effectively a neutral state. It was a buffer.

    It was NATO that changed this situation. We now have this rhetoric to make the Russians look like the bad guys. You hear all this talk that Russia is bent on creating the second coming of the Soviet Union and that it is bent on creating a greater Russia. That the Russians are the bad guys is a story that was invented after February 22nd, 2014. Nobody was making this argument before that. And neither was anybody arguing that we had to expand NATO to contain Russia before that time.

    In February 2014 this cockamamie strategy that we had invented to make Ukraine a part of NATO blew up in our face. When it blew up because of our flawed policies, we were not going to admit that we had screwed up. No, we had to blame the Russians, so we said they were bent all along on dominating Eastern Europe.

    You hear this same argument made today. They say, it is the Russians who are the bad guys; Putin is really dangerous and we can’t negotiate with him. This implies that this situation is the equivalent of Munich, which is another way of saying that Putin is the second coming of Adolf Hitler, and making a deal on Ukraine would be like making the deal on Czechoslovakia in October 1938.

    This is all pure unadulterated nonsense. There was no threat from Russia before February 2014. We just invented that story. Anyway, the ideal situation would be to create a neutral Ukraine. We could have a Ukraine that looks a lot like the Ukraine that existed between 1991 and 2014.

    We, however, cannot do that because, in large part, the Americans are unwilling to make any sorts of concessions regarding NATO expansion. Furthermore, to make neutrality work, to create a stable neutral Ukraine, it is very important that the Ukrainian government in Kiev reach some sort of modus vivendi with the Russian speaking population in Donbass. This is the famous Minsk agreement. It is imperative that the Kiev government implement the Minsk accords so that the civil war – and it is effectively a civil war – between the people in Donbass and the people in western Ukraine be settled. But the politics inside of Ukraine make this impossible at this time.

    It is also impossible to envision President Biden saying that he is going to give up on NATO expansion. The end result is that this crisis will be going to go on and on. That is the sad truth, in my humble opinion.

    Question: Does the UK play any role of importance in this crisis? What about the European Union and the United Nations?

    Prof. Mearsheimer: Let’s talk about the UK. This would also apply to any major European country including Germany and France. The Russians don’t want to negotiate with the Germans, they don’t want to negotiate with the French, and they don’t want to negotiate with the British.

    They understand full well that it is the United States that runs the show and that the British will do what the United States asks them to do. You can have perfunctory conversations with the British, but it really doesn’t matter. The Russians really want to talk to the United States. They don’t even want to talk to NATO. The Russians want talk to the United States, because they know that the Europeans basically do what the Americans tell them to. That the British will do Americans’ bidding is almost axiomatic. The Germans and the French sometimes resist, as we know from the Iraq war in 2003, but Tony Blair was a mere cheerleader for the United States in that war. Britain does not have much of a role to play here. The United States is the key player. I don’t say that because I’m an American and, indeed, I think American policy is usually so foolish these days that it would be better if the United States had less influence.

    It would be better if Europeans, especially the Germans and the French, stood up to the Americans. With regard to the EU, it is very important to understand that it is not just NATO expansion that is designed to make Ukraine a western bulwark on Russia’s borders. It is NATO expansion, EU expansion and the colour revolution. The Orange Revolution was the movement to “democratise” Ukraine. On the point of democratisation, the Russians fear that what we try to have is a colour revolution in Russia itself. If you go to Beijing or Moscow, you learn that in both places the leadership lives in fear that the United States will try to foster a colour revolution inside China or Russia.

    Democratisation, EU expansion and NATO expansion are the three elements of the strategy although NATO expansion is the key. The EU and NATO are not much of a player here. It is the United States that is driving this train. Let me make one more point before I talk about the UN. It is very important to understand that at the April 2008 Bucharest summit, Germany and France were adamantly opposed to any movement to make Ukraine a member of NATO. Germany – and here were talking about Angela Merkel, much to her credit – understood that this was asking for serious trouble. But it was the Americans who as always prevailed and at the end of the Bucharest summit a statement was issued at American insistence that said that Ukraine and Georgia would become members of NATO. The Europeans – the Germans and the French – understood that this was a foolish thing to do, but they failed to stand up to the Americans, as is so often the case.

    As far as the UN goes, it is effectively useless for one very simple reason: the Russians have a veto right in any dispute between countries that have a vote on the Security Council. This obviously includes both Russia and the United States. The UN is not going to be very meaningful simply because the Russians can veto anything that they do not like and so can Americans. The bottom line is that this problem has to be solved by the United States and the Russians.”

    • Thanks: vox4non
    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
    @James Charles


    ...John Mearsheimer Explains Who Is Responsible...
     
    Mearsheimer's views are well known. He supports the "law of the jungle" and is an apologist for Russian bullying or coercion, so as to create some grand sphere of influence that he believes it is entitled to – of course at the cost of its neighbors. He repeats the cliché of a "coup" in Kiev, in February 2014, and claims US involvement, of course without any specific evidence. This explains why he had appeared on RT shows prior to Russia's war of aggression, to manifest a warped framework of public perception. Not surprisingly, he has come under strong criticism at his university. He might as well be on the Russian payroll to supplement his income. For Vlad-cultists who like to appeal to academic authority, without thinking critically, this is the man that gets recommended most.

    Replies: @Noble47, @emerging majority

  • The United States government is the king of the entire earth. They can force anyone to do anything, because of the strength of their values. No one is allowed to disagree with American wars. If people try to disagree with democracy wars, we will threaten and destroy them. That’s not just our values – that’s...
  • @FKA Max
    @antibeast

    You are correct, neither am I, but I thought it would interesting to point it out, since there is a lot of propaganda and/or confusion around China already being the biggest economy using PPP, etc., even though there is the possibility (albeit slim) that it might never overtake the U.S. in terms of nominal GDP. But quality definitely trumps quantity in this area, and that's why productivity is my favorite economic prowess/success measure, and here China still has a lot of catching up to do:

    By 2050, Bloomberg Economics projects China’s productivity will have caught up to 70% of the U.S. level—putting it in the typical range for countries at a comparable level of development.
     

    - https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/when-will-china-s-economy-beat-the-us-to-become-no-1-it-may-never-happen-121070600079_1.html
    https://bsmedia.business-standard.com/_media/bs/img/article/2021-07/06/full/1625532514-9376.jpg

    In an/my ideal/utopian world, human beings should not work to live, but comfortably live firstly and then have the option to work if they so chose. In terms of per capita nominal GDP divided by annual hours worked, even the U.S. has a lot of catching up to do. Americans, according to this source, work almost 500 hours more per year than Germans, for example, on average. Northwestern, continental European countries are doing the best in this department, it appears, with "Low Hours" and "High Output" numbers, and seem to be the most balanced societies when it comes to a healthy work-life balance:
    https://archive.ph/4Qp06/38d23a93e6f67934c720cf484f2ebae142a2b51e.png
    Image Source: https://howmuch.net/articles/worlds-most-productive-countries or https://archive.ph/4Qp06

    Replies: @antibeast

    The USA has a very skewed economy, with California, Texas and New York producing much of its GDP, having Silicon Valley, Oil&Gas and Wall Street as its main industries, respectively. China has been restructuring its economy to become much more diversified based on its fast-growing technology and services industries, away from its slowing-down infrastructure and manufacturing industries. That’s what I meant by the quality of its GDP which is moving towards a ‘green’ economy with less energy-intensive and more knowledge-based industries in the future. A good example is China’s HSR which is ten times more energy efficient than autos and planes while using ten times less land than highways. The USA by contrast has a very inefficient transportation system with inadequate to non-existent public transport in most urban or suburban areas, respectively, which is not measured by its GDP. Additionally, the USA spends more per capita on its very expensive public education sector and public healthcare system, which is ranked the lowest amongst developed countries.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    @antibeast


    That’s what I meant by the quality of its GDP which is moving towards a ‘green’ economy with less energy-intensive and more knowledge-based industries in the future.
     
    Okay, but achieving that "green" economy goal is still far off in the distance/future, IMHO, and in the process of having achieved to grow the Chinese economy and Chinese middle class over the last decades, China and Chinese citizens have paid a high environmental and quality of life cost/price for that. China was a much "greener" economy and land 30 or 40 years ago, and all the "greening" they have already or are planning to do is just reversing or slowing down the ecological and environmental damage they have done/caused over the last 20+ years especially. I don't know if one can really call that "quality" progress...

    I just commented on this topic in detail in another UR thread: https://www.unz.com/aanglin/i-am-a-russian-cheerleader/#comment-5263026 Click the "[MORE]" button there to read the entire comment.

    Does GDP growth necessitate environmental degradation?
    https://blogs.worldbank.org/opendata/does-gdp-growth-necessitate-environmental-degradation
    Figure 2: Trends of GDP and PM 2.5 for Norway and China, 1990-2016
    https://archive.ph/yq3nD/8950e0d079327db94b59def0b213fbdd42c45a93.png
    "Closer examination reveals that China’s air pollution levels peaked around 2010 and have modestly decreased since then. These improvements in air quality are most likely the result of the country’s strong measures to reduce pollution, including establishing clean air regulations, curtailing coal-burning power plants, and reducing the number of cars on the road. Nonetheless, much more must be done, given that China’s PM2.5 level in 2016 was still two-fifths higher than the global average for that same level of income (56 micrograms at GDP per capita US$ 7,000)."

    Replies: @antibeast

  • Zhao Lijian on Friday made some rather poignant statements about the behavior of the West in response to the ongoing border skirmish in the former USSR, calling it “insane.” Zhao said: Whatever you think of either side of this conflict, there cannot be any claim that the West has not consistently violated its own supposed...
  • The AngloAmericans have truly gone drunk on their hubris. Whatever happened to due process?

    Since when did Europeans gone so insane as well and believe in collective punishment? Heavens forbid if we as a whole are to be judged collectively for our past crimes.

    By willy nilly stealing (yes, even if you’re a government if you take without authority), it sends a chilling message to the world beyond our shores, as well as those within. Will the day come when I or my family, and our property, may get haphazardly taken away because the AUKUS deems my government’s action contrary to theirs? So, how about we apply that action to the countless illegal actions that the AngloAmericans have done, for a start?

  • It seems that whenever the topic of China arises, we are flooded with the most amazing observations, statements, conclusions, almost all of which appear to come from outer space. There surely cannot be another subject on this planet on which so many people are so amazingly misinformed and arrive at the most unrealistic conclusions. We...
  • Well, I suppose I could sum up China in one phrase: “China is less than what you hope for but more than what you expect.”

    Having lived and worked there for a time, I am at turns amused and bemused by fellow expats and those outside China, who can claim without incredulity that they are the fount and source of all that is to know, without even knowing the people nor the language. China is an immensely vast place with just as varied in people and thinking. It also has an incredibly ancient and complex culture, one that almost stretches back to the mists of time.

    Like before, China behaves more like a Rorschach test to its viewers. So perhaps those who disparage or infer evil may like to remember, “Honi soit qui mal y pense”

  • Question 1-- You think that the Russian Army was spread-too-thin to achieve its strategic objectives in Ukraine, and you point to the (Russian) army's withdrawal around Kiev to make your point. ("Russia's effort was very clearly too diluted over too many axes and sectors.") But, now, you think that things have changed and Russia has...
  • Anonymous[172] • Disclaimer says:

    Five stages of grief:

    1. Denial
    2. Anger
    3. Bargaining
    4. Depression
    5. Paying in Rubles

    • Replies: @TRM
    @Anonymous

    #5 made me LMAO

    , @5 stages LOL
    @Anonymous

    Best laugh I’ve had all war.

    It sums up both the “Ze testicular piano artist” and no balls NATO.
    As an ex Army “non” General, I do know “no war” is over in a 24 hour US news cycle.
    However the real “out come,” of this war has indeed been decided in the first 24 hours.
    US dollar gets Covid , 10 EU government’s to be destroyed from lamp posts as the little children cry over empty tummies. As enraged mothers and manic dads roam the cobbled streets.
    Social and political collapse coming to America, soft cock UK and Europe.

    Paying Rubles indeedie. ( Pakistan has just been threaten with a colour revolution.)
    Read the Old Testament. End of days and a new beginning.

    Putin will be long retired, happy and lighting a candle in some church, somewhere, surrounded by snow and silence.

  • You don’t really need an investigative news report to tell you that the intelligence services are leaking fake information to the media as part of an “info war” with Russia. Because: They did this exact same thing in the lead-up to Iraq (literally the exact same thing), and We saw that the reports were fake...
  • anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s all lies and fabrication, we know this. But I keep encountering people who swallow it all. Most people are just passive consumers of the supposed news. TPTB rely on the gullibility and stupidity of the masses out there. Makes a person feel estranged from American society in general.

    • Replies: @Lurch685
    @anonymous

    Could not agree more. Everything is fake and gay and we are constantly lied to, at all levels, from all players, about absolutely fucking everything.

    , @Justrambling
    @anonymous

    Agreed totally. That is what makes most Americans - and now Europeans, the most brainwashed people in the world, hands down. Swallowing lies coming from the government and MSM in crisis after manufactured crisis and the inevitable wars that follow means that any meaningful change is postponed indefinitely. Stupid is as stupid does - at an incalculable price and making it impossible for strangulating Jewish control of America’s foreign policy to end.

    , @TKK
    @anonymous

    I have discovered the majority of Americans don't want to know the truth.

    They want to post on social media about their fat dumb grandkids and brag about their lives.
    Further, so many of them lack the knowledge pool to drink from, it is hard to pull them up to any basic understanding of the systemic corruption of the West.

    Adding to the cess pool: social media has made most people clinically insane.

    Here is the best example. I had a client who missed her court date. I have found Facebook will give me a clue as to these Retards whereabouts. This female is a meth addict who performs oral sex on random men for money/drugs and she has lost 3 children to Social Services.

    Her occupation on Facebook??? LOVING STAY AT HOME MOM!!!!

    To make it worse? About 50 people liked her post where she bragged about how much "she loves her kids!!! I A GRIZZLY MAMA BEAR FOR MY KIDS!!!! (sic)

    Comments: You GO GIRL! I KNOW THAT'S RIGHT!!! YOU TELL 'EM.

    Literally none of it is true- obscene lies. And people go right along with it.

    A country of putrid Yes Men.

    Replies: @Alrenous

    , @JWalters
    @anonymous

    All true. But perhaps these lies are so gigantic that they are an opportunity to teach our friends they can't believe our war profiteering establishment, including the corporate media.

  • The stunning spectacle of the EU committing slow motion hara-kiri is something for the ages. Like a cheap Kurosawa remake the movie is actually about the Empire of Lies-detonated demolition of the EU, complete with subsequent rerouting of some key Russian commodities exports to the US at the expense of the Europeans. It helps to...
  • @mulga mumblebrain
    @littlereddot

    Western 'elections' are sad, sick, farces. To begin with ALL REAL power belongs in the hands of the owners of society, the rich. Politicians are their property, bought and paid for by political 'contributions', bribes and employment after politics.
    The politicians, as Gilens and Page showed, govern almost exclusively for these rich pay-masters. The Parties do nothing but divide society into hostile, and increasingly mutually hateful, factions. Election campaigns are cavalcades of lies, often quite cynical, bribes, threats, fear and hate-mongering and increasingly vicious character assassination.
    The MSM is ENTIRELY in the hands of the rich ie the hard Right, or the liberal fascist Right, which Septics amusingly call 'the Left'. With the current totalitarian censorship of cyberspace, soon there will be no source of 'facts' but the MSM. Therefore, environmentalists, unions, Russia, China, Iran etc, are all relentlessly vilified and pilloried in a 'Free Press' that somehow comes to the same conclusions 100% of the time, petty partisan politics aside.
    Of course the 'promises' turn out lies, the winning party ignores its suckers until the next election, actually governs AGAINST the 50% or so who voted for others, and increasingly are outright corrupt, highly aggressive, internally against class and ideological enemies and externally against various daemon figures and prodigiously incompetent, the type who prefer politics to business larceny being generally poor examples of the genus Homo. And, increasingly, the USA and other Western degeneracies openly interfere in the politics of other countries, ALWAYS favouring the most Rightwing, corrupt and pro-Western forces, while, at home, elections are increasingly outright stolen, by gerrymanders, first past the post voting, voter ID requirements and straight vote rigging by postal, and absentee voting, and electronic vote theft and creation.
    That is the sewer called 'democracy', but only in a fit of utter mendacity. Plutocracy-yes. Kleptocracy-yes. Pathocracy-yes. Kakastocracy-yes. Democracy-it is to laugh!

    Replies: @littlereddot

    Western ‘elections’ are sad, sick, farces. To begin with ALL REAL power belongs in the hands of the owners of society, the rich. Politicians are their property, bought and paid for by political ‘contributions’, bribes and employment after politic

    Absolutely. I have come to believe that in the Western system, elections are no more than a sedative to make the population believe that they actually have some influence on their future. I have to admit, that sedative is damned effective.

    The best slave is the one who thinks he is actually free.

    Who needs whips and chains, when you can have elections?

  • Question 1-- The war in Ukraine appears to be shifting eastward to an area in the Donbass around the city of Krematorsk. This is where upwards of 60,000 Ukrainian combat troops are "dug-in" and prepared to take on the advancing Russian army. In one of your posts, you suggested that the "real war" is about...
  • My only hard disagreement is the conviction Russia must conquer all of Ukraine to find a lasting resolution. That sounds like the ultimate nightmare scenario: an immiserated, deindustrialized country with enormous territory to occupy on their front step chock-full of extremists and locals hellbent on vengeance. If Putin and his inner circle have ascertained victory in the east is within their grasp, then they probably are thinking about how to avoid getting mired in another Afghanistan. It’s not like U.S. toadies has kept their intentions secret on that front. Even though the terrain isn’t amenable for such insurgency, it’s in the best interest of the Russian state to promote a prosperous Ukraine – one untempted by promises of economic bounty from IMF, the EU, and NATO perniciousness.

    • Agree: Cking, vox4non
  • One recalls that when war fever surged demanding intervention by Imperial Britain in the Russo-Turkish War of 1877, a song became popular in the music halls which included “We don’t want to fight, But by Jingo if we do, We’ve got the ships, we’ve got the men, we’ve got the money too.” If the refrain...
  • If only the USA had followed George Washington’s advice to be at peace with all, and ally with none. The USA has been blessed with oceans on both sides, and two neighbours who don’t go looking for trouble. So, why do they do it?

    Perhaps with the USA being consolidated in strength, with no enemies nearby to vex them, they go around with the other four-eyes, picking fights ? Is it the congenital character of the Anglo-Americans to continually expand and conquer? What accounts for that messianic-like zeal to spread their “democracy” and “freedom” ill-suited for the rest of the world? Mayhaps they need consternations closer at hand, or a separation of the country to states of their appropriate natures to keep them preoccupied.

    • Agree: JR Foley
    • Replies: @Blissex
    @vox4non

    «The USA has been blessed with oceans on both sides, and two neighbours who don’t go looking for trouble. So, why do they do it?»

    That is an incredibly innocent question, because the obvious answer is "stock market valuations": for there are huge suppliers of cheap raw materials outside North America, and there are huge countries full of consumers outside North Amertica, and there are huge countries full of cheap workers outside North America. For most USA-headquartered transnationals countries outside the USA contribute over half of sales and a much larger percentage of earnings growth, so their "stock market valuations" would be rather lower if the USA did not control the foreign and military policy of those countries.

    «Is it the congenital character of the Anglo-Americans to continually expand and conquer?»

    That is part of the "germanic hordes" 1,500 year old instinct: moving from the steppes between the Black Sea and the Baltic Sea into first loooting the Roman Empire and then onwards has made their elites immensely more powerful and richer. The "germanic hordes" instinct is to always go west and south to loot. Too bad that the trip that began under the Urals reached its end in California.

    Replies: @Kim

    , @Blissex
    @vox4non

    «What accounts for that messianic-like zeal to spread their “democracy” and “freedom” ill-suited for the rest of the world?»

    That zeal is largely imaginary: the USA went to war not so long ago to put back in power an absolute and tyrannical monarchy, for example.

    But the USA elites have figured out something important about *representative* democracy: it is quite easy and cheap to nominate and compromise the *representatives*, so that whichever way the populace votes, they can only elect "aligned" representatives who end up being loyal to their "sponsors". Look at the fates of Trump and Corbyn, who got nominated more or less accidentally, and were only slightly misaligned with neoliberal neoconservativism (aka reaganism/thatcherism) and yet were attacked with ferociousness as invalid candidates.

    Tyrants and kings are easy to manage when they are weak and through them their populaces can be bullied, but sometimes they have delusions of having their own power base and become disobedient (even of a two bit one like Noriega); instead "sponsored" representatives in "democracies" usually don't have their own power base and are constantly running for office and always begging for campaign funds, so they are cheaper and easier to manage. The experience of USA corporates in the USA itself showed them just how true that is.

    Replies: @Sarah

    , @Harold Smith
    @vox4non


    If only the USA had followed George Washington’s advice to be at peace with all, and ally with none. The USA has been blessed with oceans on both sides, and two neighbours who don’t go looking for trouble. So, why do they do it?
     
    The simplest answer to that question is this: The "USA" does what it does because it's evil.

    For a deeper understanding, you have to break the "USA" down into its main component parts.

    At the top is a cult of demon-possessed, devil-worshiping, theistic Satanists (aka the first beast of Rev 13, aka the beast from the sea, aka the spiritual heirs of the Pharisees).

    Second from the top is the U.S. "government," comprised of the beast's loyal servants, who've also sold their souls to Satan. In Biblical terms, the office of President would seem to be the second beast of Rev 13 (aka the beast from the earth) into which all political power has been illegitimately consolidated (thanks to the efforts of the first beast). And the balance of the U.S. "government" over which the president presides, is apparently described in the Bible as having become an "image of the beast" - meaning that it has lost all moral and constitutional legitimacy and now exists solely to do the beast's dirty work.

    The beast seeks complete world domination and control by way of "giving worth to evil" (i.e. worshiping Satan). IOW the beast seeks to rise to the top of the world not by its own merits but by deceiving, corrupting and manipulating everyone else into destroying themselves. And anyone who can't be so corrupted and manipulated must be physically destroyed. Apparently the spiritual end game for the beast is the fulfillment of the Satanic goal set forth in Isaiah 14:13,14 - which can only be achieved if all examples of "goodness" on earth are destroyed. And this is why the beast must destroy Russia (and any other country which resists the imposition of the Satanic, messianic judeo-communist "new world order").

  • @Anonymous
    Taiwan is not and never has been a Chinese province. It has only been under Chinese control for 12 to 16 years. Japan arguably has a stronger claim.

    But the main point, that no war is good war, stands.

    Replies: @vox4non, @JR Foley, @Daemon, @The_Masterwang, @Sparkplug

    It doesn’t matter what you think. As the USA has consistently shown, might makes right. Is the USA going to stop them? Are you going to arm yourself and wait for the People’s Republic of China (PRC), on the shores of the Republic of China (ROC)? If you fail to realise by now, both consider themselves inheritors to CHINA, the land and the state. It’s only the type of governments that either side wish to impose on the other.

    The 2nd sentence just shows you are not interested in honest discussion about Taiwan , as historical, scholastic etc has shown otherwise. Also, by taking such a stand, you negate the statement that no war is good, as like-minded people like you in the USA government will provoke one (by overt support) or the other (by actions to elevate Taiwan) to taking more extreme measures.

    I wonder why the USA would give up its “strategic ambiguity” which has worked so well in balancing the energies of both parties.

    And like the war in Ukraine has shown, the USA will fight the PRC to the last ROC (Taiwanese). Good luck to the Taiwanese if they think the USA has its back. The USA is only looking to milk them and by selling 2nd hand goods too.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    @vox4non

    You toss around very out of date information on Taiwan. It's Nationalist (Kuomintang) government belongs to history as much as Japan's rule over Taiwan. It is utterly absurd to suppose Taiwanese have any lingering aspiration to be the base for a Kuomintang return to rule China which, it should ne emphasised, has over 50 times the population.

    Replies: @vox4non, @mulga mumblebrain

  • @Wizard of Oz
    @vox4non

    You toss around very out of date information on Taiwan. It's Nationalist (Kuomintang) government belongs to history as much as Japan's rule over Taiwan. It is utterly absurd to suppose Taiwanese have any lingering aspiration to be the base for a Kuomintang return to rule China which, it should ne emphasised, has over 50 times the population.

    Replies: @vox4non, @mulga mumblebrain

    The de facto reality may be that the Kuomintang (KMT) has made no further attempts to return to rule China but by de jure, they have not removed that goal.

    Taiwan’s KMT-drafted constitution (https://law.moj.gov.tw/ENG/LawClass/LawAll.aspx?pcode=A0000001) continues to recognise China, Mongolia, Taiwan, Tibet, and the South China Sea as part of the ROC. Chapters III. National Assembly, IV. Legislation and IX. Control should be of interest.

    An example: Chapter 6, Article 64

    “Members of the Legislative Yuan shall be elected in accordance with the following provisions:
    1. Those to be elected from the provinces and by the municipalities under the direct jurisdiction of the Executive Yuan shall be five for each province or municipality with a population of not more than 3,000,000, one additional member shall be elected for each additional 1,000,000 in a province or municipality whose population is over 3,000,000;
    2. Those to be elected from Mongolian Leagues and Banners;
    3. Those to be elected from Tibet;
    4. Those to be elected by various racial groups in frontier regions;
    5. Those to be elected by Chinese citizens residing abroad; and
    6. Those to be elected by occupational groups.
    The election of Members of the Legislative Yuan and the number of those to be elected in accordance with Items 2 to 6 of the preceding paragraph shall be prescribed by law. The number of women to be elected under the various items enumerated in the first paragraph shall be prescribed by law.”

    Hmm, now why would they continue to talk about Mongolia and Tibet if they were only concerned about Taiwan? They instead have sought to push for re-unification through political means. One of those was the 1992 Consensus between the PRC and the KMT, then ruling Taiwan.

    For the PRC, as Chinese President Xi Jinping has stated, the 1992 Consensus reflects an agreement that “the two sides of the strait belong to one China and would work together to seek national reunification.” For the KMT, it means “one China, different interpretations,” with the ROC standing as the “one China.” So, naturally both sides will disagree.

    While the KMT may be somewhat of a dinosaur, the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) is doing Taiwan no favours with its rhetoric and actions that unnecessarily agitate the PRC, and its compromised willingness to be a pawn of Washington.

    I think you need to find out more.

    • Replies: @WIzard of Oz
    @vox4non

    Thank you. I believe you but, looking back at what I said and I think that is also correct. Despite what you have quoted the claims of Taiwanese on mainland China are about as threatening as the claims of descendants of Genghis Khan.

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  • @American Bulwark
    @Anonymous

    We won't let it happen but on the other hand, we're interested in breaking up China which will be done in this century, nay, in the next decade or two at the most.

    Replies: @Dave Bowman, @Anon, @vox4non

    What’s with you psychopathic Americans? Always interfering and intruding where you don’t belong?

    Hahaha. I would say that the USA is in more danger of breaking up given the infighting and degeneracy going on. The government and people at loggerheads.

    In fact, given the evil and chaos the USA has sown over the last 70 years, it is more deserving of being broken up. Hawaii and Puerto Rico back to its indigenous people, the southwest back to Mexico, the two Coasts on its own, Florida, and the other states can also go their own way.

    Perhaps then, with the quarrelsome Americans or what’s left of them busying themselves with each other, will they then leave the rest of the world alone.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
    @vox4non

    Even most Americans have never realized that there were virtually no Mexicans in the American Southwest. When Mexico won its revolution against Spain, the few Spanish settlers in those current states were somewhat stranded, but preferred to be ruled by the Yanquis than the Mexicanos. Even today, the large proportion of Spanish-speaking citizens of New Mexico has some native ancestry...however that DNA comes from Pueblo Indians and not the descendants of the cannibalizing former rulers of t he Valley of Mexico.

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