RSSIt is obvious to all, except sheltered Western liberals, that this plan is intended to create the conditions for the forcible ethnic cleansing of all Jews from that land.
How about the following nice plan:
– One state solution with equal rights to Jews and Non-Jews
I will add my analysis of where the two sides currently sit; with the caveat that the two sides are actually many sides, making this is a simplification.
Ahh, so no more beating around the bush but open gloating about ethnical cleansing like your Ziothug comrade @AaronB?
there would be nothing to stop them clearing the West Bank, and possibly the Gaza Strip, of residents.
You are utterly delusional about what would happen if the West stopped throwing around its entire military, political and economic might in the service of Israel, leave alone if it would turn hostile.
Were the West to boycott Israel
In Britain, for example, there are a Conservative Friends of Israel and a Labour Friends of Israel, comprising together 216 members of parliament and party officials.
There are many Conservative “friends” associations, including Rússia, Pakistan, Índia, Turkey and even Palestine. Often MPs are in seemingly antithetical groups. The same is true for Labour.
These expressions of “friendship” mean as much as one would expect; which is no more than not wanting Britain to engage in imperalistic actions against the object of that friendship.
Related: my new favourite phrase is “geopolitical fan fiction”. Thanks for the read!
In case you're not kidding, Asians are named after Asia, which is a continent. Continents are capitalized. In a similar vein, Caucasian is also capitalized.
What is the justification for capitalizing “Asian” but not “White”?
European, Asian, African
white, yellow, Black
To be deprieved of Land that was stolen before is obviously not ethnical cleansing
– All land that was robbed from Palestinians (Reminder: In 1946 94% of all Land was owned by Non-Jews) has to be returned to its respective owner or legal successor. If the owner wants to accept a compensation instead then OK, but if he insists then it has to be given back.
This, of course, would only be possible by military pressure. However, what ought to be done and the measures to do it are two different questions.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
How would you have the Israelis agree to it?
There’s not much to answer in your posts. You start with your aim, then you try to force definitions suitable for your aim onto emotionally resonant words, before accusing anyone who questions you of moral crimes for not agreeing with your aims, definitions or moralistic judgements. You are therefore only in conversation with yourself.
You are like a satirical used car salesman. You need to sell your car to anyone who stumbles in, so you declare that your car is, “essential” for “humans”, which means that if anyone refuses, you can declare them “a monster, not even human”.
This is a very poor sales technique. It will work on no one. It will just cause people to find some way to leave the conversation and consider you an idiot.
Also, I am not looking to be sold anything, but to understand. What trauma did you personally suffer that you now try to resolve by seeing it through the prism of Israel-Palestine? Only children argue like you, so I can infer that your wounded inner child takes control on this topic.
This forum is, weirdly, a safe place, you can speak freely.
Thinking about eugenics makes me feel status anxiety.
This is not triggered by discussion of reducing Patau or other genetic illnesses. It is instead caused by reflecting on how the natural gifts which I have, that can never be taken away, would be diminished, in social value, by genetic engineering for good looks and intelligence. If the norm I’m these areas caught up and then overleapt me, I might feel smaller.
I assume this adequately explains the bifurcated progressive attitude towards eugenics. I don’t mind feeling smaller, but fear of such is what drives a lot of politics.
I kept thinking of this guy when I read this article:
Which bearded man is the Saker’s Daisy Ridley?
You know nothing about me and don’t understand me at all, but I am not offended, you also know nothing about yourself.
To help: my understanding of life on this planet is that everyone would be fine if they could find the perspicacity and courage to just do what is in their heart.
The problem is that the vast majority of people cannot come close to doing this; which leaves the dual questions: how to help them, and how to deal with them while they are like this?
I am practicing answers for both while engaging with you, and my accompanying political beliefs may be reduced to trying to see where people are, what the possibilities are, and how peace and order might be established, from those facts, to allow the living to work on developing their perspicacity and courage.
Are you able to understand now?
I don’t believe that your “point of view” is based on “morals”. Like all charlatans, you dissemble incoherently while affecting to rectitude.
I knew a man who acted like you, but in his personal life. His girlfriend suffered for it, before she sensibly left him.
He would layer thin “moral” arguments into disagreements so as to control her. When she pointed out inconsistencies within those, he would respond with hysterical insults, implying that she was sinful, and bad, for refusing his control of her.
Over time, she was beaten down because, while he saw his pain, the pain he would only acknowledge as a weapon, she felt she could help; but she could not. Eventually she ended her self-sacrifice and learned her limits.
Now she is happy, while he continues to dwell in his delusions and fear. He argued about politics exactly as you do. Everyone was always against him and out to get him, at least after they knew him for a while. His paranoia was his self-fulfilling prophecy.
I'm not committed to the idea of Earth's uniqueness one way or the other (Rare Earth Hypothesis), but a few thoughts:The uniqueness of Earth, if demonstrably true, would be an apologetics point in favor of an intelligent creator, even if its falsity wouldn't refute the existence of that creator. A single instance of a fantastically improbable event might just be the result of chance, but it should also cause people to significantly "adjust their priors" and increase their estimation of the possibility that it was NOT the result of chance. People winning the lottery is not cause for suspicion, but the same man winning *every* lottery should probably make you very suspicious, even if it's not technically impossible that this could happen in a series of fair contests.It can be seen as allied to the Fine-Tuning Argument, which argues that the laws of physics are specifically mathematically tuned in such a way as to make life possible. But from what I know of Young Earth Creationists (YECists), they're divided on the matter of the possibility of alien life. I knew one personally who was a big sci-fi fan and figured aliens probably did exist, and God created them as well. But others do insist that Genesis excludes the possibility of life anywhere else.I'll also observe that the Rare Earth Hypothesis doesn't only appeal to Christians. Some secular scientists do seem to believe it on its merits. And certain techno-optimists/singularity-enthusiasts also believe it more religiously. There's a certain tension within "I effing love science" here. If technology is our salvation and the inevitable result of technological civilization is the Dyson Sphere, interstellar colonization, and practical immortality, then where are all the aliens and their Dyson Spheres? Answer: we're the only ones who have gotten this far, but we'll get there, just you see.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @songbird
Though, on the other end of it, there are people who seem to be invested in there being no other life, even simple life, on other planets. I don’t get it. I heard an atheist argue once that it would disprove the Bible, if alien life (even simple) was discovered, but I don’t believe most Christians are literalists about Genesis.
A single instance of a fantastically improbable event might just be the result of chance
All single event situations are extremely improbable, but they happen.
Or in employment, or having the vote. Women in the workplace have made it an emotional minefield. And having the vote turned politics childlike and hysterical. Look at this graph of presidential speech grade levels .. what happens in 1920?:https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/Jj0LOI6c-93ZTTG-elUK4qr99_4=/570x366/filters:format(png)/media/img/posts/2014/10/Screen_Shot_2014_10_13_at_11.25.09_PM/original.pngReplies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Alden, @Reg Cæsar, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Achmed E. Newman
There’s nothing at all wrong with girls worrying about their hair. Most girls have no business being in academia though.
Radio broadcasting…
Another turning point.
what happens in 1920?:
@TelfoedJohn
Radio broadcasting…
Not having to worship mediocre achievement as great, simply because the person, who achieved, shares my skin colour.
Not having to excuse harm for no other reason than the perpetrator is my race.
Can “Terror Machine” not use a pair of scissors to cut off his dangling straps or, at least, tape them up?
Yes, “White male” culture is Apollonian. Almost everything else is Cthnonian, at least by comparison. None of this is new.
The problem is that humans need balance between the two, and the modern world forces people to be far more Apollonian than they would like. This drives some crazy.
Many women and black people seem to really struggle, for whatever reason, with the Apollonian mask required for public civic life.
Many middle-aged white men seem to really struggle, for whatever reason, with not over-identifying with that mask and having it squeeze the energy out of their private life.
That these basic human psychological impulses have become tied up with race and sex does no one any favours, but they are tied up, so that’s that.
Oh shut up, Twinkles, you insufferable little douchebag. Men on this very thread have said that they consider obesity to be an absolute deal-killer.
AE: There are victims of worse prejudice than yours.
Rosie: No way. I always have it the worst!
How do we measure the extremity of “obese” versus “shorter than them”?
During our “epidemic of obesity”, such fatness may be common, but we are living in an extreme time.
Can men be expected to find extreme and unhealthy body shapes anything but a strong turn off?
Would “obese” and “dwarf” not be more comparable than “shorter than me”? Both come with probable health consequences and both are extreme.
Unfortunately for people with dwarfism, but fortunately for the obese, although their challenges may be similar, people with dwarfism cannot go on a diet to remedy their situation, while obese people can.
The other edge of this sword though, for obese people, is that they get morally judged for their choices.
Personally, I’d rather a choice and face social opprobrium than have no choice.
I'm not saying one way or the other. I'll just say this. It's not wise to rule out body types in the abstract. It is one thing to say that you're generally more attracted to one type of person thanthe other; it's quite another to say that you would never consider dating that type of person.
Can men be expected to find extreme and unhealthy body shapes anything but a strong turn off?
The statistics indicate that permanent weight loss is statistically rare, though not theoretically impossible as is the case for short people.Replies: @Some Guy, @Some Guy, @Triteleia Laxa
Unfortunately for people with dwarfism, but fortunately for the obese, although their challenges may be similar, people with dwarfism cannot go on a diet to remedy their situation, while obese people can.
Still a midwit take.
If you feel pride, you feel pride. Be honest with yourself about it. If you don’t feel pride, be honest with yourself about that too.
See where courage takes you.
I'm not saying one way or the other. I'll just say this. It's not wise to rule out body types in the abstract. It is one thing to say that you're generally more attracted to one type of person thanthe other; it's quite another to say that you would never consider dating that type of person.
Can men be expected to find extreme and unhealthy body shapes anything but a strong turn off?
The statistics indicate that permanent weight loss is statistically rare, though not theoretically impossible as is the case for short people.Replies: @Some Guy, @Some Guy, @Triteleia Laxa
Unfortunately for people with dwarfism, but fortunately for the obese, although their challenges may be similar, people with dwarfism cannot go on a diet to remedy their situation, while obese people can.
It’s not wise to rule out body types in the abstract. It is one thing to say that you’re generally more attracted to one type of person thanthe other; it’s quite another to say that you would never consider dating that type of person.
I don’t have a physical type, except a strong preference for athleticism, which does include “thin”. The reasons are many and personal; including those that others would be glad not to share.
Looking through your posts, it seems that you are sensitive to the pain fat people feel when judged in society. Some other commenters’ have concluded that this is because you’re substantially overweight; but I get the impression that it is more like because your husband is (substantially more so.)
This might be amusingly ironic for you. A board, which ostentatiously prizes wifely virtue, is, through oafishness, mistakenly criticising a wife who typifies it…
Yes, these people lack compassion and therefore cannot wrap their puny little minds around the fact that non-fat people might care about the feelings of fat people.
Looking through your posts, it seems that you are sensitive to the pain fat people feel when judged in society. Some other commenters’ have concluded that this is because you’re substantially overweight;
You are clearly new here, so let me clue you in. Rosie is on record as stating that:
Looking through your posts, it seems that you are sensitive to the pain fat people feel when judged in society. Some other commenters’ have concluded that this is because you’re substantially overweight; but I get the impression that it is more like because your husband is (substantially more so.)
Oh, yeah, wifely virtue - like spamming lots of inane messages on a blog instead of taking care of her said husband and her supposedly many children. Such as expressing resentment (online, no less) that she has to "negotiate" everything with her husband and being grumpy that nice vacation (second) homes are so expensive (she's been trying to buy one) and how she doesn't have a maid... all the while railing against "the rich" (i.e. anyone with more money than she does).
This might be amusingly ironic for you. A board, which ostentatiously prizes wifely virtue, is, through oafishness, mistakenly criticising a wife who typifies it…
I don’t know what to make of your post. Are you a genuine political candidate?
It dropped substantially only in 1925
The whole idea of deciding what you will feel, because of some abstract nonsense you have concocted, for the sake of your ego stroking itself, is midwit.
Your comment has nothing to do with the one that I wrote, which you believe you were replying to.
What does your response have to do with mine?
It is midwit to argue whether feeling pride is appropriate or not. Either the individual feels it, or they don’t.
Morality, individual pragmatism, history, social good, they are, at best, explanations for why the person feels pride or not.
If those explanations cause us to deceive ourselves over how we feel, then those explanations are a problem.
“Should you feel pride” is irrelevant – and the first step towards a lie. “Do you feel pride”, is what matters.
Sorry, not sorry, but your whole perspective is midwit…
It's not irrelevant because people are constantly asking it. And why not? The place of pride - any sort: fatherly, ethnic, sporting etc - in our lives is a question that merits some reflection.And if someone doesn't feel pride but you believe he should, you will have to supply him with reasons. It may shock you, but people have been known to change their minds on this.That said, pride feelings do tend to arise spontaneously, so there's probably some limit to how much various "talk" about them will alter them; still talk can make some difference.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
“Should you feel pride” is irrelevant – and the first step towards a lie. “Do you feel pride”, is what matters.
I would like some insight into whether the author really believes his own article.
Or does he just hope that if he repeats it enough it will become true?
Or does it bring in donations and is just a flat out fantasy?
In which case, the same questions as above, may be asked of the donaters.
I assume someone at some point must be sincere, but I have no idea how one might squint one’s eyes so hard, that reality looks anything like that which is decribed?
I suppose the picture attached at the top, which is pure psycho-sexual click bait, points in the right direction…
You’ve been able to go there to party for months now as a tourist from anywhere – only pretend restrictions on occupancy rates in bars. Land of the free and home of the brave.
Opinion polls have done everyone into politics a disservice. The cost of offering your “support” on a poll is zero; therefore a poll measures “support” in the same way that free lottery tickets would measure people’s propensity to gamble.
My friend’s client complains to her every week about how his girlfriend isn’t answering his phone calls. He always says “despite this, she is very loving” and they “have a great connection”.
The client cannot be shaken out of that delusion, even while, in practical terms, he sacrifices all alternatives.
The fact underlying this sad situation is that “his girlfriend ” lives in the same city and hasn’t seen him in over a year. She only replies to a few messages. It is a complete fantasy.
My friend wants to slap him and wake him up, but she recognises that he wouldn’t obsess over this delusion if he felt like he had a choice. The alternative, to confront himself, is too terrifying for him. He used to torture baby animals as a child, while under the care of a devouring mother…
As scary and evil as they paint the Israelis, so much worse must be the image of themselves they hold, that they cannot bare to look at. I am glad that competence and such psychological immaturity rarely go together.
Competence cannot go together with this kind of psychological immaturity. Competence comes from a certain level of healthy detachment, which allows one to see oneself and others clearly, as well as the possibilities and limitations of ones particular situation. As regards their vision of the Israelis and their own self-image, it is an interesting case. On the one hand, they depict Israelis as completely evil and morally wrong. But interestingly, their fantasies of victory are not fantasies of a moral reckoning - but fantasies of competence and toughness. See the title and the picture in this post. In their victory fantasy, they are the ones with the guns, they are the tough ones, the dominant ones, the competent ones, the superior ones, who crush and decimate their enemies. The female Israeli soldier has her face blotted out. The Muslim woman has taken her gun. It is not a fantasy of morality triumphing and ushering in a period of justice and peace for all, Arabs and Jews alike. It is a victory fantasy pure and simple, of crushing ones enemies and being dominant. In a very naive way, their fantasies betray what they really want, and the depiction of Israel as completely morally evil and themselves as pure serves the specific function of dehumanizing an enemy so it can be crushed and obliterated without conscience. In other words, the depiction of Israel as wholly morally evil is not used to craft a higher, more inclusive vision of peace and justice for all, but is used rather as a dehumanizing strategy in order to more easily crush ones enemies. Even morality, in their hands, comes to represent it's opposite.Replies: @AaronB, @Marckus, @Colin Wright
As scary and evil as they paint the Israelis, so much worse must be the image of themselves they hold, that they cannot bare to look at. I am glad that competence and such psychological immaturity rarely go together.
I didn't say women are less shallow; I objected to Trinity's claim that we are more shallow.
Men are of course more likely to marry based on looks but this doesn’t mean that women are less shallow.
So you say. Before frequenting this blog, I might have thought there might be some truth to this. No longer.
Women are much more critical of how other women look.
Does anybody watch/read them? All I can say is this. When the fashion and cosmetics industries try to push ridiculous crap on us, someone should be talking back. By all means, don't hold back.
There are shows and magazines dedicated to their desire to critique other women.
I would stop openly being a woman here.
This isn’t a criticism of you, nor a form of substantive agreement with your comments.
It is the way in which people pile in, frothing and screaming buzzword insults, that tells me being openly a woman on Unz probably isn’t worth it.
I exclude Twinkie from this, as he is giving you as good as he gets….
Hat tip to “some guy” for the suggestion.
Pretending to be a man would just reinforce the idea that women are not interested in dissident views. Besides, I don’t think it would do any good anyway. Men viewed as "White Knights" are bullied and abused just as badly.
I would stop openly being a woman here.
This isn’t a criticism of you, nor a form of substantive agreement with your comments.
It is the way in which people pile in, frothing and screaming buzzword insults, that tells me being openly a woman on Unz probably isn’t worth it.
You are such a repulsive, self-absorbed, narcissist. The whole discussion you initiated here started with an inane reply to AE who made a simple observation: “Short dudes have a tough time on the dating scene.”
Looking out for Number 1 > racial extinction.
You are such a repulsive, self-absorbed, narcissist.
Glad this wasn’t written @ me.
Have you ever called or been called “repulsive” in real life?
Aren’t the Palestinians Arab?
The history of the Arabs begins in the mid-ninth century BC, which is the earliest known attestation of the Old Arabic language. The Arabs appear to have been under the vassalage of the Neo-Babylonian Empire; they went from the Arabian Peninsula to Mauritania.[1] Original Arabic tribes originated in what is now Hejaz and Yemen and then spread to levant to establish what is known the Ghassanid and Lakhmid kingdoms, in which they began to appear in the southern Syrian Desert from the mid-third century AD onward, during the mid to later stages of the Roman and Sasanian empires.[2] Tradition holds that Arabs descend from Ishmael, the son of Abraham.[3] The Syrian Desert is the home of the first attested “Arab” groups,[4][5] as well other Arab groups that spread in the land and existed for millennia.[6]
I looked up Barbara Specter. She seems to run a one woman “foundation”, on a shoestring, in Sweden.
It gets a little funding from some rich Swede, because she brands it in a few politically correct buzzword. Its focus is on teaching the odd liberal Jew, online, about their religion.
Why do you know about this complete nobody? It is like she runs a cornershop, has put a Pride sticker on the front window, and has gotten famous for being pro-gay. What a bizarre happenstance!
I think I've heard the argument basically that the more intelligent you are, the more future planning that you do, which means that anxiety accordingly increases. At some point, anxiety becomes too high to take on risks like children.Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Triteleia Laxa
Basically, the smarter you are and the more you use the brain, the less you breed, which eliminates you from the gene pool. It is impossible to colonize the galaxy with Japanese people even with perfect technology because the quantity of Japanese is declining.
Yes, this is the case, but you can learn to access parts of yourself other than your anxious thoughts.
And so on, and so forth: "spiral on, keep moving"...
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the Mind
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and
I must feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines
It's not irrelevant because people are constantly asking it. And why not? The place of pride - any sort: fatherly, ethnic, sporting etc - in our lives is a question that merits some reflection.And if someone doesn't feel pride but you believe he should, you will have to supply him with reasons. It may shock you, but people have been known to change their minds on this.That said, pride feelings do tend to arise spontaneously, so there's probably some limit to how much various "talk" about them will alter them; still talk can make some difference.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
“Should you feel pride” is irrelevant – and the first step towards a lie. “Do you feel pride”, is what matters.
People often think they need permission from society, or from “reasons”, to feel pride or indeed, any other emotion, but this is erfect midwittedness.
Rather than beginning with what actually is, the midwit ego strives for inflation by making up a, sometimes reasonable, fantasy, that either justifies themselves or, worse, leads to them pretending to what they’re not.
For practical purposes, you may be right though. A midwit approach will work best for most people, as they will never fully understand what I am alluding to above. Like teaching schoolchildren Newtonian physics.
A dark sense of humour is healthy. It shows that the person can accept the worst in humanity. It is not a sign of sociopathy at all.
Most people who do evil cannot see evil in themselves and so do it repeatedly, because they do it unconsciously.
Amazing that it was just back in 2005 that Peter Tatchell could write this:
There is not a single world-famous black person who is openly gay.
Never heard of him (Tatchell). Do you have to be Nelson Mandela to be "world-famous"? James Baldwin didn't count?
Amazing that it was just back in 2005 that Peter Tatchell could write this:There is not a single world-famous black person who is openly gay.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/working-age-population-aged-15-64-all-persons-for-the-united-states-fed-data.html
Working Age Population: Aged 15-64: All for the United States was 205446270.62596 Persons in April of 2021, according to the United States Federal Reserve. Historically, Working Age Population: Aged 15-64: All for the United States reached a record high of 207555510.92749 in May of 2020 and a record low of 135237302.53426 in January of 1977.
I assume China is also beginning to lose working age population. Given the low and shrinking TFR there, the fall will be precipitous. The EU and other developed countries are in even worse shape in this regards.
Indian consumers will pick up some slack, but I am not optimistic as regards Africa, and nowhere else is growing.
100% agree. But women tend to be more practical than men, and I don’t see many thoughtful women wasting their time commenting here, do you? My wife is the head of a hospital, has doctorates, and has raised and homeschooled many children with me. She is also a devout Catholic and a rightist who grew up in the rural Midwest and received elite education. She would have a wealth of information and informed opinions to contribute here, but she never would. She’d rather spend another minute with her man and children than waste her time on the likes of Rosie or others of her ilk. Her constant refrain whenever I’m here is, “Stop wasting time arguing with morons on the internet.”
I just get frustrated because I think the Unz Review in general could use more women commenting to provide some balance to the points of view commonly seen here.
Yes and yes. And I as well - as my part in our conversation about “iatrogenic” illness amply demonstrates. ;)
There is also no shortage of dysfunctional behavior from male commenters here. I do my share at times ;-/
That description perfectly captures the usual dynamic between Rosie and her interlocutors (much as she’d like to retcon her behavior today, she has hurled obscenities at many more commenters than just me
I don’t see her interlocutors being calm and objective, even if I do see them constantly claiming to be
You know what's funny? I actually looked back at my original post to see if I might have worked it differently so as not to engender so much hostility.
I don’t see her interlocutors being calm and objective, even if I do see them constantly claiming to be
“Res” didn’t strike you as such?
I don’t see her interlocutors being calm and objective, even if I do see them constantly claiming to be
What I see in these squabbles involving Rosie is a bunch of people behaving like five-year-olds.
I don’t see her interlocutors being calm and objective, even if I do see them constantly claiming to be
Let’s look at the sport of weightlifting at the last four summer Olympics, shall we?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weightlifting_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics#Medal_table
Northern Europeans and Africans tend to be tall and athletically gifted in power and strength, e.g. very masculine. East Asians are the opposite: short, soft, and not very masculine looking. East Asians can be physically graceful, but lack explosive strength.
East Asians aren’t as hopeless as Indians at sports, but they aren’t great. Being decent at an obscure one, like Olympic weightlifting in the lower weight categories, is fine, but not that great an argument for 2 billion people!
Also, why are so many categories low weight? Most serious weightlifters, who aren’t really short, must be in the top category…
Also, Iceland, with 300,000 people, is consistently better than China at football, with 5000 times that many. Icelandic people are weird though.
India in its entire modern history has garnered 9 gold medals, 7 silver, and 1 bronze at the summer Olympics.
East Asians aren’t as hopeless as Indians at sports, but they aren’t great.
And this is straight up a bad faith argument. “Obscure”? Weightlifting is one of the purest physical attribute sports there is - it literally measures the most weight someone can lift in each weight category.
Being decent at an obscure one, like Olympic weightlifting in the lower weight categories
Because East Asians - on average - are not as big as certain Europeans. While Northern Chinese and Koreans are on the tall side globally (South Korean men are 1 to 1 1/2 inches shorter than American men on average today - an astounding height gain historically), Southern Chinese and Japanese are less so. They also have smaller body mass on average. So, yes, they tend to do better at lower weights in a number of sports.
lower weight categories
The African population of Guangzhou is actually going down, and is sharply down in comparison to 10 years ago. Things are proceeding in a really quite favorable direction. Besides, the Africans currently in Guangzhou have, more often than not, a credible reason for living in China, and they're usually temporary residents -- not permanent immigrants.
Hmm, sounds eerily like the opinion of Londoners circa 1948.
China is still far from a developed country. Its wage suppressing migration can be internal. This means that most immigrants are import/export businessmen. I wonder if it will change as the economic incentives for the richest Chinese change.
I don’t think you read his comment correctly. You seem to be incorrect, even opposite, in your interpretation of it, in a number of ways.
India in its entire modern history has garnered 9 gold medals, 7 silver, and 1 bronze at the summer Olympics.
East Asians aren’t as hopeless as Indians at sports, but they aren’t great.
And this is straight up a bad faith argument. “Obscure”? Weightlifting is one of the purest physical attribute sports there is - it literally measures the most weight someone can lift in each weight category.
Being decent at an obscure one, like Olympic weightlifting in the lower weight categories
Because East Asians - on average - are not as big as certain Europeans. While Northern Chinese and Koreans are on the tall side globally (South Korean men are 1 to 1 1/2 inches shorter than American men on average today - an astounding height gain historically), Southern Chinese and Japanese are less so. They also have smaller body mass on average. So, yes, they tend to do better at lower weights in a number of sports.
lower weight categories
And this is straight up a bad faith argument. “Obscure”? Weightlifting is one of the purest physical attribute sports there is – it literally measures the most weight someone can lift in each weight category.
If you think that me saying Olympic weightlifting is an obscure sport makes for a “bad faith statement”, I cannot have a reasonable conversation with you. I don’t know a single person who could name a single Olympic weightlifter, or recognise them, and most would be unsure if it is even an event. It is absurdly obscure.
I get that this is an extremely emotional issue for you, but your wounding has nothing to do with me.
If you want to continue, you could reformulate your reply to something not hysterical.
Do you know a single person who can name an Olympic 800 meter event winner? Yet this is one of the best sports for measuring mid-distance running ability. Calling the event obscure since 99.9% of human being don’t know the name of a single competitor doesn’t make it any less of one of the best measures of (mid-distance) running speed among humans.
I don’t know a single person who could name a single Olympic weightlifter
Extremely emotional? Wounding? Hysterical? That’s just sad and desperate, frankly, on your part. I’m giving you data (Olympic medals, etc.) and reasoned arguments based on them, and you are trying to portray me as if this is some personal psych hang up, because you don’t have a good argument backed by data.
I get that this is an extremely emotional issue for you, but your wounding has nothing to do with me.If you want to continue, you could reformulate your reply to something not hysterical.
I see now that you are a kindred spirit with Rosie. Good luck with that.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Triteleia Laxa
If you want to continue
Do you know a single person who can name an Olympic 800 meter event winner? Yet this is one of the best sports for measuring mid-distance running ability. Calling the event obscure since 99.9% of human being don’t know the name of a single competitor doesn’t make it any less of one of the best measures of (mid-distance) running speed among humans.
I don’t know a single person who could name a single Olympic weightlifter
Extremely emotional? Wounding? Hysterical? That’s just sad and desperate, frankly, on your part. I’m giving you data (Olympic medals, etc.) and reasoned arguments based on them, and you are trying to portray me as if this is some personal psych hang up, because you don’t have a good argument backed by data.
I get that this is an extremely emotional issue for you, but your wounding has nothing to do with me.If you want to continue, you could reformulate your reply to something not hysterical.
I see now that you are a kindred spirit with Rosie. Good luck with that.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Triteleia Laxa
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You think you give logical and fact-based arguments, but you don’t really. It is all motivated reasoning directed by an unexamined emotional core. Enjoy your mid-life crisis, whenever it hits.
Are you really going to repeat that the idea that Olympic weightlifting is obscure is so absurd that it must be “a bad faith” argument? This was our disagreement, not all of the flapping that you have done after.
Do you also notice how you constantly change the goalposts? How your data doesn’t actually relate to the point? How you tie yourself in knots? How your first response was a hysterical reaction?
Mid-life crisis is coming soon…check back in if you need help.
sad and pathetic
Sorry for you. You’ll be seeing yourself this way over the next couple of years. Don’t worry though, it is all just your own judgement and not true. You’ll eventually be fine.
Nobody actually bases their views on logic or fact. All views on political, social or cultural issues are fundamentally emotional. But everyone likes to believe that his own views really are based on logic and facts while his opponent's views are based on pure emotion.
You think you give logical and fact-based arguments, but you don’t really. It is all motivated reasoning directed by an unexamined emotional core.
Do you know a single person who can name an Olympic 800 meter event winner? Yet this is one of the best sports for measuring mid-distance running ability. Calling the event obscure since 99.9% of human being don’t know the name of a single competitor doesn’t make it any less of one of the best measures of (mid-distance) running speed among humans.
I don’t know a single person who could name a single Olympic weightlifter
Extremely emotional? Wounding? Hysterical? That’s just sad and desperate, frankly, on your part. I’m giving you data (Olympic medals, etc.) and reasoned arguments based on them, and you are trying to portray me as if this is some personal psych hang up, because you don’t have a good argument backed by data.
I get that this is an extremely emotional issue for you, but your wounding has nothing to do with me.If you want to continue, you could reformulate your reply to something not hysterical.
I see now that you are a kindred spirit with Rosie. Good luck with that.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Triteleia Laxa
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It’s bad faith, because popularity of the sport in question has little to do with whether the sport measures physical attributes (in this case pure strength) well or not.
This isn’t why you said it was bad faith – you said it was bad faith because it wasn’t obscure.
Nor is it why it being obscure is relevant. My implied point was about the number of people and funding that goes into developing the competitors. You just launched into a emotional reaction and imagined a whole bunch of stuff.
You are not acting like someone it is possible to reasonably disagree with.
Stuff… like data?Three seemingly breathless replies full of personal attacks to one comment certainly seems… what’s the word you used, “hysterical”?
You just launched into a emotional reaction and imagined a whole bunch of stuff.
No such point was stated by you previously nor implied. But now that you raised it, I’ll answer. Of course funding and development matter, but they matter more for sports that have multiple variables (such as game-planning and strategy in addition to physical attributes, technique, etc. - e.g. tennis). But certain sports are much more (almost entirely) dependent on physical attributes alone (with a bit of technique on top). Most running sports are like that (e.g. the 100 meter dash being won consistently by West African-descended) for measuring human speed. And the same goes for weightlifting for measuring human strength. Such events are great for detecting physical attribute variations among different population groups. Dismissing such measures by calling them “obscure” rather than countering with contrary facts and data shows that you simply don’t want to “lose” by deviating from your previously staked out position, rather than honestly deal with the data. Compounding the bad faith on your part is your attempt to malign me by using words such as emotional and hysterical when I have been nothing but data-backed.
My implied point was about the number of people and funding that goes into developing the competitors.
Three replies to my one comment and you haven’t provided a single data point in them. As I wrote earlier, if you want to go Rosie-mode, be my guest.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
You are not acting like someone it is possible to reasonably disagree with.
This isn't why you said it was bad faith - you said it was bad faith because it wasn't obscure.Nor is it why it being obscure is relevant. My implied point was about the number of people and funding that goes into developing the competitors. You just launched into a emotional reaction and imagined a whole bunch of stuff.You are not acting like someone it is possible to reasonably disagree with.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Twinkie
It’s bad faith, because popularity of the sport in question has little to do with whether the sport measures physical attributes (in this case pure strength) well or not.
In case you need it Twinkie, here is my original post for you to show that you can be reasonable with, and not just launch into a battle with your own demons.
East Asians aren’t as hopeless as Indians at sports, but they aren’t great. Being decent at an obscure one, like Olympic weightlifting in the lower weight categories, is fine, but not that great an argument for 2 billion people!
Also, why are so many categories low weight? Most serious weightlifters, who aren’t really short, must be in the top category…
Also, Iceland, with 300,000 people, is consistently better than China at football, with 5000 times that many. Icelandic people are weird though.
Stuff… like data?Three seemingly breathless replies full of personal attacks to one comment certainly seems… what’s the word you used, “hysterical”?
You just launched into a emotional reaction and imagined a whole bunch of stuff.
No such point was stated by you previously nor implied. But now that you raised it, I’ll answer. Of course funding and development matter, but they matter more for sports that have multiple variables (such as game-planning and strategy in addition to physical attributes, technique, etc. - e.g. tennis). But certain sports are much more (almost entirely) dependent on physical attributes alone (with a bit of technique on top). Most running sports are like that (e.g. the 100 meter dash being won consistently by West African-descended) for measuring human speed. And the same goes for weightlifting for measuring human strength. Such events are great for detecting physical attribute variations among different population groups. Dismissing such measures by calling them “obscure” rather than countering with contrary facts and data shows that you simply don’t want to “lose” by deviating from your previously staked out position, rather than honestly deal with the data. Compounding the bad faith on your part is your attempt to malign me by using words such as emotional and hysterical when I have been nothing but data-backed.
My implied point was about the number of people and funding that goes into developing the competitors.
Three replies to my one comment and you haven’t provided a single data point in them. As I wrote earlier, if you want to go Rosie-mode, be my guest.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
You are not acting like someone it is possible to reasonably disagree with.
Ok, so you can change course, even if you can’t acknowledge your mistakes or apologise. Good!
Less good that you need to continue to make me your own demon though….
You get a C+!
Such events are great for detecting physical attribute variations among different population groups.
Olympic weightlifting at the lower weight categories is a single data point. It is a very small one too.
Almost no one tries to compete in it. It relies on being short, having a prideful government and probably a lot of scientific chemical assistance. In the huge ocean of competitive sports, it represents a few drops.
There is one, I think, East Asian (out of 2 billion people) world renowned sportsman in my lifetime and I am not even sure he was very good (Yao Ming).
Maybe there are others, but tiny European, Latin American and African countries have more.
Would that one even be famous if he weren’t the sole East Asian who succeeded at a sport anyone cares about?
One world renowned sportsmen from 2 billion people is the data point. Your obsession with Olympic weightlfiting for short people is funny.
It was among several sports I brought up. *You* picked it out among the list and focused on it.
Your obsession with Olympic weightlfiting for short people is funny.
You don’t know much about sports, do you? You seem comically ignorant about it.
There is one, I think, East Asian (out of 2 billion people) world renowned sportsman in my lifetime and I am not even sure he was very good (Yao Ming).
Did you not read the parts of my comments where I discuss how East Asian nations have done at the Olympics, not just in weightlifting? Summer Olympics has over 300 events.
In the huge ocean of competitive sports, it represents a few drops.
No question about that.
Almost no one tries to compete in it. It relies on being short, having a prideful government and probably a lot of scientific chemical assistance.
No question about that.
relies on being short, having a prideful government and probably a lot of scientific chemical assistance.
It was among several sports I brought up. *You* picked it out among the list and focused on it.
Your obsession with Olympic weightlfiting for short people is funny.
You don’t know much about sports, do you? You seem comically ignorant about it.
There is one, I think, East Asian (out of 2 billion people) world renowned sportsman in my lifetime and I am not even sure he was very good (Yao Ming).
Did you not read the parts of my comments where I discuss how East Asian nations have done at the Olympics, not just in weightlifting? Summer Olympics has over 300 events.
In the huge ocean of competitive sports, it represents a few drops.
Your tone is almost adult now. I’ll upgrade you to a B+.
I appreciate that you think that almost a third of the world’s population is good at sports because they do pretty well at the Olympics. In particular, you are very keen to highlight that East Asians are competitive at short people weightlifting and fighting with Judo.
Your argument restals on these being highly competitive, prestigious and not, in any way, niche. It reminds me of that guy who went on and on about African Scrabble players. Maybe he is right, but colour me unconvinced.
To avoid this picking over scraps, I will settle for you telling me 5 internationally well-known East Asian athletes, just 5, and we will see how that third of the world’s population punches…
That’s not what I wrote. That’s a stupid and transparent straw man.
you think that almost a third of the world’s population is good at sports because they do pretty well at the Olympics.
Well-known by whom? You? 95% of people who don’t know much about sports beyond what they see on TV occasionally?
well-known
That’s not what I wrote. That’s a stupid and transparent straw man.
you think that almost a third of the world’s population is good at sports because they do pretty well at the Olympics.
Well-known by whom? You? 95% of people who don’t know much about sports beyond what they see on TV occasionally?
well-known
You have a number of defence mechanisms against being wrong. Boring autistic download is my least favourite.
Well-known by whom? You? 95% of people who don’t know much about sports beyond what they see on TV occasionally
Yes, because those are the most competitive and well remunerated; hence they are well the best athletes are. Can you name just 5 East Asian world known sportsmen now?
I’m guessing you never did Judo or wrestled. First of all, doing Nage-Komi 1,000 times is intensely exhausting. It’s a lot more energy intensive on all parts of your body than running. You just have no clue if you haven’t done it (esp at high speed). And that’s the warm-up part.
Can’t be bothered googling, but it sounds rather doubtful. Throwing someone doesn’t burn as much energy as you think.
Rogan may be a meathead, but he is also a legit 10th Planet BJJ black belt (and former Mass. state champion in TKD in his youth). He will mess you up in all kinds of ways easy in a fight. He know a lot about combat sports and what it takes to excel in them. His interlocutor in that video is a former SEAL and also a BJJ practitioner.
Lol, Joe Rogan and his bullshit
I agree, because Euro bodies are very well-optimized for cycling (long legs, but not as dense/heavy as blacks).
I think it’s possible they still might.
They aren’t self-tested at the Olympics. Do you seriously think that their PED use, if any, is more sophisticated and detection-proof than the Russian one? I think that’s unlikely. Their rise and sudden drop of Russians coincided perfectly with much stricter testing at the Olympics.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @silviosilver
Lol. China and Iran are hardly known in the sport for the strictness of their testing protocols. Rather the opposite.
Do you seriously think that their PED use, if any, is more sophisticated and detection-proof than the Russian one? I think that’s unlikely. Their rise and sudden drop of Russians coincided perfectly with much stricter testing at the Olympics.
The Olympics testing can be worked around by any amateur with a brain; nevermind the CCP
I see you have never been tested for PEDs. I have. It’s a lot more strict than sensationalist media portray (they use containers that can’t even be opened without breaking the whole thing). But let’s assume you are right. If it’s that easy, then everyone is on it (like in cycling), then it’s even playing field again. Or are you suggesting the Chinese and the Iranians are disproportionately benefiting from PEDs over the Russians, for example?Replies: @silviosilver
The Olympics testing can be worked around by any amateur with a brain; nevermind the CCP
I do not "ignore data." I object when others draw unwarranted conclusions from the data, such as "short men have it especially rough." If you believe otherwise, you are duty-bound to provide specific instances to support this allegation so that I can defend myself or acknowledge my error.
just outright ignores data
I don't accuse of you of having an outright double standard, Twinkie. My concerns about your views on "virtue" are as follows:
but most of us who are older and married tend to be pretty White Knight-ish on women AND discourage male promiscuity.
I see no way to prevent a resurgence of this absent formal sanctions for promiscuity
You see a way to impose “formal sanctions for promiscuity”?
No thanks
If I'm not mistaken, formal sanctions for promiscuity have been the historical norm. From the Bible:
You see a way to impose “formal sanctions for promiscuity”?
It’s like this: you are essentially arguing that everyone thinks, subjectively, that he drives at the right speed - that those who drive slower are stupid and those who do so faster are crazy. Yes, this subjectivity is true. Most everyone thinks that. Yet, some of them are actually right in that they drive at the appropriate speed, the speed most optimized for not getting into accidents, but also for getting to places efficiently.
But everyone likes to believe that his own views really are based on logic and facts while his opponent’s views are based on pure emotion.
Objectivity is possible. Reality does exist. You’re just entirely incapable of noticing your own emotional impulses, when it comes to politics, so they own your arguments completely.
Nothing is wasted. You had different challenges to overcome and lessons to learn. Probably best you identify what they were and appreciate their gravity, as this kind of easy self-disgust hurts.
Arabs did not exist in that land prior to Mohammed’s conquests.
The Palestinians call themselves Arabs, speak Arabic and look like Arabs. They also worship the main Arabic God. The adopted moniker of “Palestinian” is the only evidence I have that they are not.
So are they? I don’t know.
I never said it meant anything at all. That is your fantasy. As is the rest of your post, which may be entirely invented. I really don’t know and don’t care. I just got confused because Palestinians say they are Arabs and yet Arabs most certainly did not live in the region until much later than it was called that.
You seem to have a very strong narrative in your head about that part of the world? Why is that?
Benny Morris seems to have learned a lesson that all humans could learn. Walking a mile in someone else’s shoes will bring out all sorts of dark truths. We judge what we don’t understand.
I knew a guy from that background, but his father was wealthy. He asked his father for money for various hare-brained business schemes over the years. Eventually the father said, “just write me a business case”. The guy then promptly asked me to write it for him.
I downloaded a template for a simple one and offered to sit with him and write it on a number of occasions. Somehow this never happened. He always seemed to think that I should just write it for him as it would be easy for me. I doubt he got that “investment money” to this day.
Great satire, only you made the barriers to entry too hard. This guy was educated and not totally irresponsible, but a 3 page business case, like the one you would write for a lemonade stand, was too much for him.
It would have required abstract thought. Not everybody is capable of that.
This guy was educated and not totally irresponsible, but a 3 page business case, like the one you would write for a lemonade stand, was too much for him.
Why would the Jews of Israel agree to your plan to “resettle them”, or, just as likely, murder them all?
I am not making a moral judgement against either parts of your plan. I am just wondering if you think that your argument, that their ancestors took some desperate measures in desperate times, will persuade them all to just jump off a cliff?
It seems to me that the Palestinians have lost hard. I don’t see some tremendous moral case to be made for them either, I just see a leadership that has lacked the courage to explain to their people their defeat, and so they continually snatch a worse one from the jaws of peace. I probably wouldn’t have the courage either, but, from Israel’s perspective, they one day will.
This reduces Palestinians to living in a fantasy world, egged on by oddball internet Nazis and other deluded miscreants, who just want to watch the world burn. Let’s all be honest.
The most dementing fact of which, is that they lack the courage to admit to themselves that this is what they want, so they have to engage in endless moralistic Jeremiads and drive themselves ever crazier in the process.
The Jeremiads serve the function of putting their shadow desires for blood and fire into some other force’s hand; sadly such dishonesty hollows out an individual and so I doubt it benefits their personal lives and general sense of feeling, one iota.
Either everyone needs to focus elsewhere and the Israel-Palestinian factions can sort themselves out, or it is 1967+ for Israel and we do the same, or it bleeds on until the Palestinians get an even worse deal. Unless you can find a huge army willing to suffer ridiculous casualties in order to kill millions of Jews, Israel isn’t agreeing to anything less favourable than 1967+; as the current situation is probably preferable to even that.
If your voice matters, where do you want it to weigh in this appraisal of reality? Do you really want what little impact it has to continue to encourage the Palestinians into the jaws of even worse defeat? Does it make you feel good?
Or maybe that is the point, and you just love it all, like people love WWE…
The problem with this conflict is that people become fixated with a specific historical event to declare their moral vision. You have to look at the entire history, then you realize there is no clear moral winner, on either side.By far the biggest crimes against humanity were executed by the Arab League, who let refugees rot in camps as political footballs, and thought little for their welfare. They made claims about routing out the Jews without the proper protection for the locals. It was criminal, how they left the population with no protection.The part of the story most overlooked is the desperation and maniacal focus and intensity of the Holocaust survivors towards achieving a sovereign Jewish state. No matter what it was going to happen. The post holocaust psyche of the Jew produced a metaphysical Jew who was more animal than human, the were not going anywhere. It is not clearly understood when you get cartoon characters like Colin who thinks the Jews are going to pack up like summer camp and leave. People just cannot reconcile the mental state of post holocaust Jewry towards a sovereign Jewish state. Ironically the Jihadist like Taxi only rally the world towards the Jews. No one wants to see another holocaust and that is what the Axis of Resistance and the dismantling of Israel means. They think they can put a positive spin on it with the Al -Quds is holy to us explanation, but really want they are talking about is extermination of the Jews in Israel. People looking at the situation now are going to be shocked at just how far Israel has come in archiving a complete takeover of the land. No one in Israel is going to cede one square inch of land. Israel withdrew from Gaza and got Hamas. That is the end of land for peace. Israel is looking at one state with village like autonomy for the Palestinians who wish to accept the Jewish state and live in peace.At some point some one has got to look at Jordan the biggest colonial construct in the ME as a Palestinian state. Trans Jordan was part of the original mandate designated for the Jews. The only answer is Jordan. The Hashemites and their Kings are colonial make pretend. When Natafli Bennet becomes PM, Israel will drop the two state solution lip service and explain the real situation to the world. Which I think should be done know. Enough of the bullshit. Israel is done with the Palestinians and their desire for state with in Israel proper, and they will not be intimidated by world opinion.
Either everyone needs to focus elsewhere and the Israel-Palestinian factions can sort themselves out, or it is 1967+ for Israel and we do the same, or it bleeds on until the Palestinians get an even worse deal. Unless you can find a huge army willing to suffer ridiculous casualties in order to kill millions of Jews, Israel isn’t agreeing to anything less favourable than 1967+; as the current situation is probably preferable to even that.
Yes, describing such actions without context is a form of demonisation; and it encourages the least psychologically capable to bring out their own demons in return.
One of the most dangerous aspects of the progressive narrative in the US is how it actively punishes context. Context is “diminishing lived experience “, or some other trash.
Haidt and Lukianoff got it exactly right when they pointed out that progressive talking points nowadays look a lot like the inverse of how you help troubled teens with CBT and DBT. It is a philosophy of personal derangement.
Or like telling a jilted wife to ignore her own actions and instead to obsessively ruminate on her ex-husband’s minor malfeasances.
In all of these cases, you’ll find that the moral judgements and allegations get ever more extreme and the emotional turbulence and unknowing self-destruction more wild.
You can help people trapped in this spiral in a number of ways. You can hold a mirror up to them, even amplify them, and hope they recognise themselves. You can put distance between them and the person/people they have demonised, so that they can eventually reflect. Or you can just help yourself and stay the f*ck away from them. It is therefore a very tricky problem when it is one of domestic politics and mass movements! It is long past time that the media showed progressive behaviour, without judgement or commentary, as it is on the ground at its most voluministic; so everyone, and even they, can see.
I suspect they don’t, because they harbour their own Hitler in the darkest parts of their soul, and subconsciously they fear this apparition will get out if they see too much. Instead, they avoid what will trigger their repressed racism and project it onto ordinary white Americans, thereby encouraging #BLM activists to behave in ways ever more likely to bring out the repressed racism in people. What a mess!
I wrote the following reply because I misread you as accusing me of demonisation and failing to provide context. I'll post it as written, since it contains a couple of points I wanted to make anyway and I can't be bothered rewriting it:
Yes, describing such actions without context is a form of demonisation; and it encourages the least psychologically capable to bring out their own demons in return.
Identitarianism in America is a jewish project.
I was reformulating Jonathan Haidt’s critique of identitarianism. He’s Jewish and it is the one which I find the most compelling. I am therefore unlikely to believe that identitarianism is a “Jewish project”.
talmudic projects in America and around the world have either fallen flat on their face, or showing cracks in the corners and center.
I know a Jewish woman. I asked her if she knew what the Talmud was. She considers herself religious and is extremely intelligent and well-educated, but she told me that she had “a copy”.
I asked to see it. She promptly fetched a thin book, which she thought was “the Talmud”, rather than a tiny primer in English.
I doubt most Jews have any more idea about that millenia long commentary on the Old Testament than the ordinary Christian does about St Augustine of Hippo’s voluminous tracts!
The most evil book pretending to be a religion that was ever writ.
I am informed by Unz.com that some Rabbi, a thousand years ago, wrote some unpleasant things about his Christian neighbours. I believe that everything in the Talmud can be argued against, as it is merely a collective commentary, and I notice that Jews argue against similarly medieval statements quite a lot. I don’t see the big deal.
Personally I’m all for adopting it, since it would make more people realize just how much of the earth these poor little Third World people actually control. Latin America is literally twice as large as the United States. Africa is almost exactly three times as large as Europe. They already control all of that territory, and now they want to take what we have.
I’m pretty sure that the Congo has just as many amazing cities, cultural creations and vibrancy as Western Europe, which it is almost the size of. We just don’t teach about it in schools because we’re racist.
I find your post indistinguishable from that of someone having a mental breakdown. Need I say more?
Let me clarify what I meant by "rogue elements"...
Why rogue rather than part of the regular organization? There’s an assumption that the regular folks there wouldn’t do something like this since they are assumed to be decent people when in fact they’ve been engaged in the business of killing people worldwide on both wholesale and retail levels.
Do you appreciate that this theory has no more evidence for it than a handful of inevitable coincidences?
I say “inevitable ” because with any event of this size, there will be many seemingly coincidental occurrences, and these ones are very minor.
To take an example, you make a big deal out of the military games taking place in Wuhan, very vaguely, at the time which Covid-19 got started; but China is not North Korea, and US citizens go to China, and Wuhan, all of the time.
It is extremely easy to visit China and be anonymous when doing so. If anything, the rough coincidence, of the US military-affiliated athletes being there, argues against US seeding.
You only need one person to seed a virus and that person could have gone there whenever. They would have therefore chosen any other time.
A much more obvious coincidence is Covid appearing in the same city as the Chinese lab that would be most likely to have developed it.
Now you might argue that this is why the US seeded it there, but the US did not set the location of the military games, so that would defeat your previous coincidence.
Ultimately, this is all just internet fantasy, but, clearly, a virus which the Chinese were well-equipped to deal with, originating in the same city as the lab which they would develop it in, and which, in every country, has least affected people of East Asian genetic descent, would more obviously be a Chinese lab leak than anything else artifical.
Perhaps you too appreciate Milton references? There’s a scene similar to what you describe.
Honestly, though, my handle is from media far lower brow.
I wrote the following reply because I misread you as accusing me of demonisation and failing to provide context. I'll post it as written, since it contains a couple of points I wanted to make anyway and I can't be bothered rewriting it:
Yes, describing such actions without context is a form of demonisation; and it encourages the least psychologically capable to bring out their own demons in return.
I wrote the following reply because I misread you as accusing me of demonisation and failing to provide context. I’ll post it as written, since it contains a couple of points I wanted to make anyway and I can’t be bothered rewriting it:
Makes sense. Sorry for the confusion.
certain facts should be brought out into the light.
I don’t know what should be done, really about anything at all. I barely know what I should do this afternoon!
I am also not sure if those facts are particularly obscured. 1948 was a long time ago. The existence of intercommunal violence, in a small scale conflict, way back when, need not be obscured to be ignored.
I do agree though that European countries could benefit from a strong dose of realism, and that this could help.
When you have moral pedants, unable to even enforce their own borders, because enforcement looks like it always does, you will probably suffer the consequences.
Maybe an almost random approach to who can enter your country is best, but it seems extremely unlikely. All reason says that a strongly discriminatory regime would produce far better results.
This is what I do for my friends, employees and romantic partners; but maybe I am doing it wrong and I should follow the progressive immigration line and just go with whomever turns up?
The US exited WW2 in glory and global power. I can see how ordinary Americans think it was worth it. Buchanan faced an unenviable task.
Similarly, the other wars appear to be as popular as it is likely that the respondees perceive the US to have won them. I suspect that the natural buzz around those, rather than victory per se, determines popular attitudes to them, especially the further back in the past they are.
Where did I do that?
Pride, self-esteem, validation, they are all things which some people need, but that need is a warning sign. The bigger it is, the bigger the warning sign too.
If someone needs to be celebrated by society for the sex they choose to sleep with, or told they are wonderful because of the colour of their skin, or fed stories of oppression, so that they can be mediocre, yet consider themselves superior, then that is OK, even if it discourages them from self-reflection. Not everyone has the courage right now, or resilience.
My concern is that accompanying those participation medals, with actual power, is like trying to quench a fire, by pouring on gasoline.
Perhaps my concern is wrong, but then murders would have gone down after Floyd’s death set off another black self-esteem and empowerment year; instead, they exploded.
Several recent mea culpa’s for criticizing Israel have made the news as has also the virtual crucifixion of a congresswoman for her citation of the holocaust.
What is a “virtual crucifixion”?
You have no idea what is coming.
What is coming? And how do you know about it?
“Transhumanism” as merely the tag, applied to the coming links, of a long chain of human technological progress, stretching back thousands of years, is a useful conceptualisation. It makes things clearer. Thank you AK.
It renders nationalists, who oppose it, like the Japanese of the Sakoku period. They would fix their nations in time, thereby rendering them vulnerable to obsolescence in the future.
This is interesting, because most philosophical nationalists seem to consider their nation like a person, or an organic entity; which makes their dislike, of a nation’s self-directed growth, equivalent to a fat diabetic who refuses to lose weight, as it would be change, and “change is a self-betrayal.”
Nationalists can choose this path, but, like the diabetic, their nations will suffer the consequences.
Nah. Potato wasnt a significant factor – potatoes are about as nutritious as rice and just as easy to grow and as ubiquitous. So why did Asia not become Europe and industrialize? Because it did not plunder the wealth and manpower of other peoples
I can see how inventing all of the amazing technology that Europeans invented, would help to plunder the wealth of peoples. I cannot see how it would work the other way around though.
Can you explain how you see a pile of silver turning into the agricultural revolution for me, as an example?
This is important because it was obviously technology that drove European industrialisation, not something like slavery. As we can see from low labour cost nations, slavery is a strong disincentive for industrialisation; while technology is the requisite.
But why did Europeans develop that technology? Why didn't the Chinese, given that they're every bit as smart as Europeans? What was different about Europe? Was it the Reformation? Did that lead to the scientific revolution which led to the technological revolution?
This is important because it was obviously technology that drove European industrialisation
You make a distinction between “innovation ” and “invention” that is without a difference.
You also seem to have a limited understanding of the technological progress involved in industrialisation. The avalanche of European invention was exceptional.
You later offer a narrative whereby silver and cheap, or free, labour leads to automation, because “it freed up labour”, but that makes no sense.
Slavery clearly disincentivises automation and the inventors who drove automation, during industrialisation, were not peasants liberated from the plough.
In fact, the entrepreneurial spirit, that was engaged in exploring the world for silver and negotiating deals with African Chiefs for their captured enemies, before they were ritually executed, is exactly that which would have sped up industrialisation were it not, instead, diverted to the short-term gains of imperialism.
Necessity is the mother of all invention and free labour and mountains of silver greatly reduced the necessity for technological progress, even as technological progress made it greatly easier to acquire free labour and mountains of silver.
There is a huge difference between 'invention' and 'innovation'. Invention is the creation of something new, where nothing existed before. Innovation is improving on an existing technology.
You make a distinction between “innovation ” and “invention” that is without a difference.
European invention occurred late and had been invented elsewhere before, but was stolen or re-invented in Europe later.
The avalanche of European invention was exceptional.
How does it make no sense? Silver that they sold to Asia, allowed the Europeans to sustain their exploration/colonies, which also allowed them to invest in new cost saving ideas so that they could gain even more profits. Cheaper labor and excess land (in the New World) allowed for extensive agricultural cultivation (more than they would be able to at home), which meant that the land that they would use at home would be used for cash crops (like cotton) for example.
You later offer a narrative whereby silver and cheap, or free, labour leads to automation, because “it freed up labour”, but that makes no sense.
By that logic, the European colonial states would have never industrialized once the slave trade started. But we saw the opposite - it only accelerated industrialization. It was a source of cheap labor for industrialists that would allow them to further save costs. This is what we see in Chinese industrialization currently - cheap labor allows for more manufactering as early industrialists are able to save costs and accumulate capital.
Slavery clearly disincentivises automation and the inventors who drove automation, during industrialisation, were not peasants liberated from the plough.
Except for the part where the Chinese had already established extensive trade networks as far as Europe and covered most of Africa with Somalia becoming a powerful trade hub thanks to Chinese shipping. Under the Ming dynasty, Chinese merchants had landed as far as Madagascar establishing extensive trade networks as they went.
In fact, the entrepreneurial spirit, that was engaged in exploring the world for silver and negotiating deals with African Chiefs for their captured enemies, before they were ritually executed, is exactly that which would have sped up industrialisation were it not, instead, diverted to the short-term gains of imperialism.
I think you are talking about yourself. You have some incorrect view of European exceptionalism that you greatly wish to be true to give yourself a sense of exceptionalism. But this only serves to illustrate your poor knowledge of history.
It seems to me that you have started with your ideology and tried to make your observations on reality fit it. Perhaps try to look at reality first and then pick your ideology. It will work better.
It wasn’t only physical technology either, but also social innovation that drove industrialisation and allowed colonisation. The roots of this all go back a long way, as shown in the following two paragraphs:
As early as the 12th century, some fields in England tilled under the open field system were enclosed into individually owned fields. The Black Death from 1348 onward accelerated the break-up of the feudal system in England. Many farms were bought by yeomen who enclosed their property and improved their use of the land. More secure control of the land allowed the owners to make innovations that improved their yields. Other husbandmen rented property they “share cropped” with the land owners. Many of these enclosures were accomplished by acts of Parliament in the 16th and 17th centuries.
The process of enclosing property accelerated in the 15th and 16th centuries. The more productive enclosed farms meant that fewer farmers were needed to work the same land, leaving many villagers without land and grazing rights. Many of them moved to the cities in search of work in the emerging factories of the Industrial Revolution. Others settled in the English Colonies.
But China was also ahead in these metrics as well:
It wasn’t only physical technology either, but also social innovation that drove industrialisation and allowed colonisation.
This is a very insightful comment. Are you perhaps Jewish? Here's a story to confirm your thesis:Once when I was ultra Orthodox and married to an IDF girl who had become religious, we went shopping at the local supermarket. My wife at that time (4/6) hated Arabs and had an extreme settler mentality. All the packers in the store were Palestinians, and for some reason she thought the person helping us was intentionally dawdling so she started cursing him out in front of the entire store. I got really POd at her and told her to shut up and then walked off alone. We only lived a ten minute walk away but it was night and by the time she caught up with me she was livid claiming I had abandoned her to possibly be raped or assaulted. (Yeah right, we lived in an ultra Orthodox neighborhood.) I ended up spending the night away from home and not long after that we were divorced.For every settler who assaults an Arab burns down his olive trees and steals his animals and water, there is a fat Frau back home cheering him on. I suspect the women harbor the greatest hatred because they feel weaker and more vulnerable anyway. In Jewish mysticism men are considered kind but women harsh and vindictive.Another story. When I wrote to my oldest daughter, whose mom had divorced me and was living in a ultra Hassidic community, at the occasion of her wedding, I sent her a blessing and a gift and also told her that I had converted to Christianity. Her response was to send back the gift and to tell me never to try to contact her again. She also said she would pray that up till the last dying breath of my life I would repent of turning to idolatry and return to the true Jewish faith.Interestingly she gets along famously with my parents (her grandparents) who are secular. They send her money so that's also kosher. As Karl Marx said: Der Gott des Judentum ist Geld. [note the alliterative pun in the German]!!!Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
It does not matter that half of them (women) never even read the Talmud, because the general attitude towards goyim, especially Christians flowed from the rabbies to their disciples to their daughters.
I assume your Unz persona is just a LARP but, if it is authentic, maybe ask your parents to openly say why your daughter is happy to speak with them and not you?
Even if she is motivated by greed and religious hatred, as you seem to be implying, she will have other sincere reasons, that you might want to consider.
Again, if not a LARP, your comments fill me with doubt that you have taken responsibility, rather than just finding fault in others.
The latest argument for a Chinese biolab leak is compelling.
Wuhan is the location of the world’s number one lab for gain of function research for bat coronaviruses.
Covid-19 looks like a bat coronavirus that has gone through gain of function research. It could have emerged in nature, but that would be astonishing.
It would be even more astonishing for it to emerge in the one city in the world where such viruses would most likely be artificially created. The bat virus caves are a long way away.
Were it Americans, I would imagine they’d pick any time except the international military games. Not just for the suspicion, but also because it would greatly increase the probability of international blowback.
I cannot verify the above points, but I can say that if they are verified by credible experts, I think it is highly probable that the Wuhan lab caused this.
No it isn't. No China did it "argument" can be "compelling" until there is some kind of
The latest argument for a Chinese biolab leak is compelling.
But China was also ahead in these metrics as well:
It wasn’t only physical technology either, but also social innovation that drove industrialisation and allowed colonisation.
Thanks for adding evidence to my observations. I agree that China was more advanced agriculturally than Europe in 1100. Europe then rose and rose with phenomena like the Rennaisance.
I guess in honor of Naomi Osaka, I'm willing to have a Frank discussion of mental illness. There is a lot of mental illness in my family, especially on my father's side. He's a high achieving sociopath I believe. I once read that a huge percentage of American CEOs are sociopaths or even psychopaths who basically have zero conscience. But they are highly functional which allows them to succeed.
Thanks, except for the nutter part. Menachem is schizophrenic I can spot it a mile away. The way he talks in loops, often making no sense if you look closely at it. An X Jew and now a devout Christian sucking up to a Jihadist like Taxi, come on. Much of what he says he doubles back on. Clearly he does not have both oars in the water.
I could help you. I am extremely talented at understanding the depths of other people. I would also gain knowledge useful to me from such an interaction, so you would be helping me out in turn. I understand that being shown what is where in you, could appear to be a scary proposition, but it is probably time that you gained some clarity on this, no?
What are you proposing exactly? I am not going to allow you to do psychoanalysis on me on a public thread. You must think I'm monumentally stupid.
I could help you. I am extremely talented at understanding the depths of other people. I would also gain knowledge useful to me from such an interaction, so you would be helping me out in turn. I understand that being shown what is where in you, could appear to be a scary proposition, but it is probably time that you gained some clarity on this, no?
I did some reading:
This is how a Jew felt about the Talmud, before “falling in love with it” for the same reasons she was disappointed.
She was profoundly disappointed. Unlike the lofty, magisterial prose of the Torah, she found the Talmud to have “all the imperfections, the trivialities, the multiplicity of voices, the wild associations – everything that characterises human conversation.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24367959
It sounds fun and free-spirited, but hardly the type of text you can selectively quote from and still say anything useful about a religion.
Amusingly, Unz.com seems to be set up as the Talmud to Ron Unz’s American Pravda series.
You really do not know what you are talking about: the words and phrases you use are not the problem at all.
People are just looking at the right perspective for its apparent “extravagance” (infinite-dimensional absolutely precise complex-valued probability density functions do not sound appealing; there is sure to be discreteness in there somewhere)
I feel there is something about the word “quantum” that causes people to pretend understanding to themselves, so as to prove their intellectualism.
It is like particles of light, hit the waves of matter, that the word is printed on, and bounce back, to stimulate their brain, at staccato speeds, set like clicks on a dial, making them regurgitate misunderstood buzzwords, as elaborate nonsense.
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So you are saying they were more intelligent and advanced than Europe but at the same time they were so unintelligent they were unable to adapt and meet the threat of a European takeover. I would say being intelligent includes an ability to adapt and successfully react to novel situations and these Asian and Arab civilizations were sorely lacking in this area
Enlightenment ideas are irrelevant in prosperity. This is typical anglo drivel. China is bound to surpass the US this decade economically, and it has adopted nothing but its own Confucian ideas. Perhaps the secret to rapid prosperity lies in Confucianism?
It was the ideas of the Enlightenment that caused Europe and countries populated by Europeans like the United States to leap in front of the rest of the world. The Enlightenment took place in the 18th century so that is when that prosperity started. Slavery and colonialism existed all through history but the great increases in wealth and life expectancy didn’t start until then. Other parts of the world have become prosperous to the extent they adopted these ideas.
Enlightenment ideas are irrelevant in prosperity. This is typical anglo drivel. China is bound to surpass the US this decade economically, and it has adopted nothing but its own Confucian ideas. Perhaps the secret to rapid prosperity lies in Confucianism?
This is your understanding of Chinese intellectual development in the 20th and 21st Century?
You think Marxism, nationalism and economic liberalism have played little part?
Your namesake disagrees with you completely.
No it isn't. No China did it "argument" can be "compelling" until there is some kind of
The latest argument for a Chinese biolab leak is compelling.
A bat coronavirus, that’s undergone gain of function work, originating in the city which hosts the lab that is the most prolific conductor of gain of function research on bat coronaviruses, seems pretty compelling to me.
First, since you don't know what research was going on in U.S. biowarfare labs, your statement that the Wuhan lab "is the most prolific conductor of gain of function research on bat coronaviruses" is pure speculation. Second, if it can be shown that people were being infected/sickened with SARS-CoV-2 in the U.S. before anyone in China was infected/sickened with it, then the activities of the lab in Wuhan become irrelevant. And the refusal of the U.S. "government" to investigate some of these apparently early cases of Covid-19 disease in the U.S. is suspicious if not damning, under the circumstances. So it seems that your opinion is is unfounded.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @stonewall jackson
A bat coronavirus, that’s undergone gain of function work, originating in the city which hosts the lab that is the most prolific conductor of gain of function research on bat coronaviruses, seems pretty compelling to me.
China is exceptionally easy to visit for Americans, whom I imagine are perceptive enough to therefore choose any time other than when there was a military games in town, which would both bring suspicion and make the virus much more likely to spread internationally.
My impressions are that he can’t make sense of his life; he feels a victim of everything, and he can’t seem to see the sincerity in other people, even his own daughter.
This is a picture of someone who is stuck in an idea of themselves, without even knowing what that idea is.
A Cassandra, not a prophet, struggles against himself, rather than paddling in the direction in which he naturally flows.
What makes you say he can't see sincerity in others?
My impressions are that he can’t make sense of his life; he feels a victim of everything, and he can’t seem to see the sincerity in other people, even his own daughter.
First, since you don't know what research was going on in U.S. biowarfare labs, your statement that the Wuhan lab "is the most prolific conductor of gain of function research on bat coronaviruses" is pure speculation. Second, if it can be shown that people were being infected/sickened with SARS-CoV-2 in the U.S. before anyone in China was infected/sickened with it, then the activities of the lab in Wuhan become irrelevant. And the refusal of the U.S. "government" to investigate some of these apparently early cases of Covid-19 disease in the U.S. is suspicious if not damning, under the circumstances. So it seems that your opinion is is unfounded.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @stonewall jackson
A bat coronavirus, that’s undergone gain of function work, originating in the city which hosts the lab that is the most prolific conductor of gain of function research on bat coronaviruses, seems pretty compelling to me.
As I wrote previously, I am not stating that those particular facts are true, I have nowhere near the expertise to do so, instead I am arguing that, if they are true, the case for a Chinese biolab leak is compelling.
In your statement #259 you said: "Wuhan IS the location of the world’s number one lab for gain of function research for bat coronaviruses."Here you assert an opinion as if it were a generally accepted fact.
"As I wrote previously, I am not stating that those particular facts are true..."
Yet in your comment #259 you said for example:"Covid-19 (sic) looks like a bat coronavirus that has gone through gain of function research. It could have emerged in nature, but that would be astonishing."Being that you're not an expert in the subject matter (nor are you apparently even a well-informed layperson), how would you have any idea about that? Why bother to publicly opine about a subject with which you are very unfamiliar?
...I have nowhere near the expertise to do so...
But as I've pointed out (and you apparently still fail to acknowledge), if it can be established that the virus was infecting people in the U.S. BEFORE anyone was infected in China, then the Wuhan lab becomes irrelevant. I don't think you need to be an expert or even a well-informed layperson to appreciate the importance of the timeline here, right?
...instead I am arguing that, if they are true, the case for a Chinese biolab leak is compelling.
Well, I hope I'm not violating a confidence, but I think I'll describe the very ironic backstory of the important Nicholas Wade article.
I don’t know either Wade or Baker personally. So, I have no reason to either believe or question their intentions. Thing is, all the info in both articles was on the Internet long before. Even if the articles were honest attempts to get to the bottom of this, they clearly weren’t the first (or even the second, third, etc.).
The Covid bioleak theory had the Mark of Trump. It is noticeable that any other theory, similarly marked, faced immense hurdles in being taken seriously by the press over the last few years.
Perhaps no mainstream publication wanted that Mark on them, but Wade burst the dam by self-publishing. The media then rushed in.
That a new untraceable virus leaked out of a lab is an ordinary supposition. That it wasn’t a commonly published one, especially given the circumstances, is the fact which begs interesting explanation.
But that is the whole problem!Yes, it is good to read some reporting and discussion based on reality as a healthy antidote to political correctness, wokeness and so on, but you are actually reporting on things that are already known, but not discussed much in public for reasons of keeping the peace.Do you really think that the nation's top politicians, law enforcement officials, chiefs of police, prison wardens, judges, lawyers, probation officers, psychiatrists, psychologists, are not aware of the black crime problem?What is more interesting is how to handle it? What do they do in Jamaica which has the highest murder rate in the world, all black police, all black schools?https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/latestnews/JLP,_PNP_members_in_Parliament_clash_over_crime?profile=1228KINGSTON, Jamaica — Prime Minister Andrew Holness has branded as hypocritical criticism from the Opposition People's National Party that his administration has lost its handle on crime and that the island's airspace and borders are a free for all. ...There is a feeling that the government needs to speak to the nation as to how it will tackle those issues especially at this time when the States of Emergency option is not on the table, the Courts having ruled that it is not constitutional...
Note that I don’t put very much effort into telling you how I think the world should work, just how it does work. At least, the latter’s testable.
I wonder if there is a country where the black population does not lead the ethnic cohorts by proportion engaged in crime?
It would be a useful example to learn from.
Not being able to speak about things means that answers to even simple questions like that are very hard to work out, and considered action is hard to take.
Isn’t the point of the Talmud to contradict itself? In which case, there can be no straightforward reading.
It doesn't matter. The whole purpose of interpreting it is to reach some usable conclusion - even if those people are uncomfortable admitting this to themselves. It's those conclusions that both inform and reinforce Haredi attitudes (which I summarize as a "sick supremacist cult"). Other Jews, of whom it may be said (with a bit of licence) have a preference for being human over being Jewish, may draw milder conclusions, even viewing it as simply an interesting cultural exercise which offers no firm guidance as to how to actually live their lives.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
Isn’t the point of the Talmud to contradict itself? In which case, there can be no straightforward reading.
Very few people can make sense of their lives. The ones who can are what religious people would called ‘blessed’
Thanks. Not heard that word used in that context before. It almost fits, but everyone is “blessed”, they just can’t see it yet.
Imagine if you could see how people are “blessed”, even when they can’t see it themselves. It would be very jarring when you also see their surface level narrative.
You’d often confuse how simple it would be for them to reach self-realisation, with it being easy. What do you think?
If this is what it takes to preserve the culture (being, as the Hebrews were, in a sea of Christians), then either the men should be hard, or they can just shut shop
I feel Mevashir would enjoy understanding his daughter, and his relationship to her, in a deeper way than this.
“A Cassandra, not a prophet, struggles against himself, rather than paddling in the direction in which he naturally flows.” I wonder. May I recommend an opera by Mendelssohn, Elijah/Elias? Here is Elijah asking God to kill him (“It is enough!”
Speaking with you about Mevashir, feels like speaking with Mevashir’s delusions.
I’m confident that if we simultaneously pulled the plug on Israel and made it clear that they were welcome to emigrate to the United States, Canada, Australia, or any European country that would have them that the Jewish population of Palestine would fall to a tiny fraction of what it is now within a decade.
Where does your confidence for this extraordinary claim come from?
Also, I feel you’re overemphasising the difference US financial support makes to Israel. I don’t believe the support is only there because of the Israel lobby, but also because it is useful to the MIC. The support is thereby limited in benefit to Israel, because it is designed to benefit another party too.
It doesn't matter. The whole purpose of interpreting it is to reach some usable conclusion - even if those people are uncomfortable admitting this to themselves. It's those conclusions that both inform and reinforce Haredi attitudes (which I summarize as a "sick supremacist cult"). Other Jews, of whom it may be said (with a bit of licence) have a preference for being human over being Jewish, may draw milder conclusions, even viewing it as simply an interesting cultural exercise which offers no firm guidance as to how to actually live their lives.Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
Isn’t the point of the Talmud to contradict itself? In which case, there can be no straightforward reading.
Of course it matters that a document is purposefully contradictory when you are taking out selective quotations.
I am also under the impression that the point of studying the Talmud is, partly, to contradict it. This makes those selective quotations even more stupid.
Those quotes only say something about the individuals who wrote them and, since they summarise intercommunal attitudes that have been frequently ordinary throughout human history, I see no reason to get all worked up.
They aren’t considered the word of God or some perfect person. They are supposed to be critically evaluated and taken in context. I suspect the only people who don’t take them that way are people on Unz.com.
I also wouldn’t typify the Haredi as a “sick supremacist cult”. None of those words fit, though there may be cults within the Haredi.
They seem healthy to me and, other than communally, perhaps corruptly, trying to get the best deal out of municipal governments, are hardly out conquering the world and subjugating peoples.
I can’t say I know a lot about them, but can anyone? I also think that I would know a lot more about them if they were making serious efforts in a supremacist direction.
My only personal knowledge comes from a long chat I had with a Rabbi (I think) from Chabad. He was lovely, if a bit too earnest, and about as far from being “supremacist ” as I can imagine. There is no way for me to have been substantially useful to him either, so there would have been little point in him putting on a performance.
There are just over a million Jews in the whole of Europe, including Russia, I have met far too many Jewish nobodies to consider them, as a group, anything but an interesting sociological phenomena.
The irreligious ones tend to have exactly the same views of those my peer group, except they are sometimes kinder about Israel. The religious ones seem keep to themselves.
Chabad is the MOST supremacist of all Jewish sects: https://www.4shared.com/web/preview/pdf/MSzKUkumba
My only personal knowledge comes from a long chat I had with a Rabbi (I think) from Chabad. He was lovely, if a bit too earnest, and about as far from being “supremacist ” as I can imagine. There is no way for me to have been substantially useful to him either, so there would have been little point in him putting on a performance.
Check in with your astrologer while you're at it - always a good idea to get as much expert opinion as you can.I know you've been open with us, but are you sure you're not holding back some alien abduction story? It may even be the root of your ailment.Replies: @Anne Lid, @Triteleia Laxa, @Michael Korn, @OilcanFloyd
I asked my chiropractor
Check in with your astrologer while you’re at it – always a good idea to get as much expert opinion as you can.
I enjoy astrology!
This podcast episode is surprisingly compelling.
https://www.buzzsprout.com/713691/5264467-debra-silverman-the-missing-element.mp3?blob_id=21604375
I find that courage is shown in doing what your heart says and not what you abstractly reason as “right”.
This is because it takes uncommon courage to to see and acknowledge what your heart truly says.
I don’t judge Mevashir for his overriding need for validation. I just won’t enable his false reality, even as I understand that its construction was necessary.
I also feel that he is getting close to the time when he can give it up.
The Jewish Shma prayer says:
This is because it takes uncommon courage to to see and acknowledge what your heart truly says.
Could we agree that discerning between proper and improper desires of the heart is the key human struggle [Mein Kampf] in this world? Consider King David. His heart told him that he could do the impossible and Vanquish the Philistine giant Goliath. And he became a great National hero. But his heart also told him to seduce Bathsheba and he brought shame and disgrace upon his family and embarrassment to the nation:
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-shema/
Numbers 15:37-41
וַיֹּ֥אמֶר יְהוָ֖ה אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֥ה לֵּאמֹֽר׃ דַּבֵּ֞ר אֶל־בְּנֵ֤י יִשְׂרָאֵל֙ וְאָמַרְתָּ֣ אֲלֵהֶ֔ם וְעָשׂ֨וּ לָהֶ֥ם צִיצִ֛ת עַל־כַּנְפֵ֥י בִגְדֵיהֶ֖ם לְדֹרֹתָ֑ם וְנָֽתְנ֛וּ עַל־צִיצִ֥ת הַכָּנָ֖ף פְּתִ֥יל תְּכֵֽלֶת׃ וְהָיָ֣ה לָכֶם֮ לְצִיצִת֒ וּרְאִיתֶ֣ם אֹת֗וֹ וּזְכַרְתֶּם֙ אֶת־כָּל־מִצְוות יְהוָ֔ה וַעֲשִׂיתֶ֖ם אֹתָ֑ם וְלֹֽא־תָתֻ֜רוּ אַחֲרֵ֤י לְבַבְכֶם֙ וְאַחֲרֵ֣י עֵֽינֵיכֶ֔ם אֲשֶׁר־אַתֶּ֥ם זֹנִ֖ים אַחֲרֵיהֶֽם׃ לְמַ֣עַן תִּזְכְּר֔וּ וַעֲשִׂיתֶ֖ם אֶת־כָּל־מִצְותָ֑י וִהְיִיתֶ֥ם קְדֹשִׁ֖ים לֵֽאלֹהֵיכֶֽם׃ אֲנִ֞י יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹֽהֵיכֶ֗ם אֲשֶׁ֨ר הוֹצֵ֤אתִי אֶתְכֶם֙ מֵאֶ֣רֶץ מִצְרַ֔יִם לִהְי֥וֹת לָכֶ֖ם לֵאלֹהִ֑ים אֲנִ֖י יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵיכֶֽם׃
The LORD said to Moses as follows: Speak to the Israelite people and instruct them to make for themselves fringes on the corners of their garments throughout the ages; let them attach a cord of blue to the fringe at each corner. That shall be your fringe; look at it and recall all the commandments of the LORD and observe them, so that you do not follow your heart and eyes in your lustful urge. Thus you shall be reminded to observe all My commandments and to be holy to your God. I the LORD am your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt to be your God: I, the LORD your God.
What makes you say he can't see sincerity in others?
My impressions are that he can’t make sense of his life; he feels a victim of everything, and he can’t seem to see the sincerity in other people, even his own daughter.
What makes you say he can’t see sincerity in others?
Intuition confirmed by experience.
I also see that he can’t differentiate easily between the feelings which arise within him and those of others. He would benefit from a guide to help him calibrate.
The Jewish Shma prayer says:
This is because it takes uncommon courage to to see and acknowledge what your heart truly says.
Could we agree that discerning between proper and improper desires of the heart is the key human struggle [Mein Kampf] in this world? Consider King David. His heart told him that he could do the impossible and Vanquish the Philistine giant Goliath. And he became a great National hero. But his heart also told him to seduce Bathsheba and he brought shame and disgrace upon his family and embarrassment to the nation:
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-shema/
Numbers 15:37-41
וַיֹּ֥אמֶר יְהוָ֖ה אֶל־מֹשֶׁ֥ה לֵּאמֹֽר׃ דַּבֵּ֞ר אֶל־בְּנֵ֤י יִשְׂרָאֵל֙ וְאָמַרְתָּ֣ אֲלֵהֶ֔ם וְעָשׂ֨וּ לָהֶ֥ם צִיצִ֛ת עַל־כַּנְפֵ֥י בִגְדֵיהֶ֖ם לְדֹרֹתָ֑ם וְנָֽתְנ֛וּ עַל־צִיצִ֥ת הַכָּנָ֖ף פְּתִ֥יל תְּכֵֽלֶת׃ וְהָיָ֣ה לָכֶם֮ לְצִיצִת֒ וּרְאִיתֶ֣ם אֹת֗וֹ וּזְכַרְתֶּם֙ אֶת־כָּל־מִצְוות יְהוָ֔ה וַעֲשִׂיתֶ֖ם אֹתָ֑ם וְלֹֽא־תָתֻ֜רוּ אַחֲרֵ֤י לְבַבְכֶם֙ וְאַחֲרֵ֣י עֵֽינֵיכֶ֔ם אֲשֶׁר־אַתֶּ֥ם זֹנִ֖ים אַחֲרֵיהֶֽם׃ לְמַ֣עַן תִּזְכְּר֔וּ וַעֲשִׂיתֶ֖ם אֶת־כָּל־מִצְותָ֑י וִהְיִיתֶ֥ם קְדֹשִׁ֖ים לֵֽאלֹהֵיכֶֽם׃ אֲנִ֞י יְהוָ֣ה אֱלֹֽהֵיכֶ֗ם אֲשֶׁ֨ר הוֹצֵ֤אתִי אֶתְכֶם֙ מֵאֶ֣רֶץ מִצְרַ֔יִם לִהְי֥וֹת לָכֶ֖ם לֵאלֹהִ֑ים אֲנִ֖י יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵיכֶֽם׃
The LORD said to Moses as follows: Speak to the Israelite people and instruct them to make for themselves fringes on the corners of their garments throughout the ages; let them attach a cord of blue to the fringe at each corner. That shall be your fringe; look at it and recall all the commandments of the LORD and observe them, so that you do not follow your heart and eyes in your lustful urge. Thus you shall be reminded to observe all My commandments and to be holy to your God. I the LORD am your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt to be your God: I, the LORD your God.
Could we agree that discerning between proper and improper desires of the heart is the key human struggle in this world
No.
Your fearful need to judge yourself impedes your ability to see clearly.
Self-judgment (rather than judging others) is considered crucial in all three Abrahamic religions. What is wrong with it?
Your fearful need to judge yourself impedes your ability to see clearly.
State institutions openly boast of discriminating against “white people”, so it would make sense to include them on the graph and for them to be the highest bar.
“Gays and Lesbians” could also be high, because they suffer even in their own family.
I’m not sure “evangelical Christians”, as a multi-racial group, should be high. Black and Hispanic evangelical Christians aren’t treated the same.
Discrimination has also come to mean “discrimination by the whiter looking person in the interaction”. We live in puerile times.
Well, Evangelicals are whiter than the population as a whole. I think the archetypal Evangelical in everyone's mind is white, so when people are asked about Evangelicals, most people think of a white person, and I would bet this thinking is even more common among Jews than the population as a whole. Thus, I don't think changing the category to "White Evangelicals" would change the results much.
I’m not sure “evangelical Christians”, as a multi-racial group, should be high. Black and Hispanic evangelical Christians aren’t treated the same.
lol. You’re an interesting new kind of paid troll. More direct and to the point, less interlarden with tangents than Tiny Duck, and not concern trollish like many of the others.
Do you think Tiny Duck was a troll, or a satire?
I assume Media Matters and Mr. Soros are trying a new tactic to derail convos. How much do they pay you an hour, baby
Is this a sincere belief of yours, or a satire?
No normal, sane person wants a 30% Muslim Sweden.
By the time it reaches that, Muslims will probably be the majority of those under 18!
Sweden has a political system which allows for minor party success. This means that a vote for the robustly immigration restrictionist “Sweden Democrats” is never wasted. Yet they still only got 17.5% of the vote at the last election.
82.5% of Swedes voted for parties that seem content, or even passionate, about this transformation.
Perhaps they would rather convince themselves that they are moral and good people, than keep a country they are easily comfortable in.
Self-righteous suicide.
moral panic over the Mormon “baptisms of the dead”.
I forgot they did that. Sounds spooky. The Wikipedia page has some controversial examples:
Some members of the LDS Church have been baptized for both victims and perpetrators of The Holocaust, including Anne Frank and Adolf Hitler, contrary to modern church policy.
I like the intention and dedication those Mormons show, but I can see how non-Mormon religious people might find this sinister.
Well, Evangelicals are whiter than the population as a whole. I think the archetypal Evangelical in everyone's mind is white, so when people are asked about Evangelicals, most people think of a white person, and I would bet this thinking is even more common among Jews than the population as a whole. Thus, I don't think changing the category to "White Evangelicals" would change the results much.
I’m not sure “evangelical Christians”, as a multi-racial group, should be high. Black and Hispanic evangelical Christians aren’t treated the same.
Reasonable points. I would like to see a comparison of “white people” versus “evangelical Christians” to see how much overlap there is in the perception of poll respondents.
Your institutional point, though not directly related to the OP, I find most convincing.
Evangelicals, as controllers of alternative institutional power, of Christ, not “progress”, will likely stand or fall together. Any value other than marching in lockstep with that emanating from the DNC election committee, makes you suspect – left, right or completely alternative.
“Progress” seems to now be defined as whatever will nudge society into a shape that will elect Democratic Presidents.
I find this article almost completely convincing. It was a Chinese biolab leak.
It looks like people thought a honey badger should win against a walrus. At an average of 10kgs, I have no idea what a badger is supposed to do against a 1000kg walrus. It is like a baby fighting a sumo wrestler.
I also don’t get which adults think they would lose to a rat or a house cat. I guess it must be that they, themselves, would refuse to fight or flee.
Many of us think of our species as physically weak, but we hunted wooly mammoths, which were 6000kgs, with big sticks.
Non-Californians sometimes get *very* strange ideas about California if they spend too much time with FoxNews, Breitbart, and other rightwing propaganda-outlets.
Today’s white exodus from California is a direct consequence of that treason and genocidal hatred.
that’s been almost entirely balanced by other whites moving into California.
Yes, but they came from Europe, North Africa, the Causcasus and the Middle East.
A cursory reading suggests that a full half a million have come from just Armenia to stop that white number from shrinking astonishingly.
Tom, I don't know how to break this to you, but the average White American 99%+ European.....
A perfect example of Racecraft in practice. That the NFL could even coherently define what “black” and “white” mean in these highly mixed populations and then use those categories to make stable and fair judgments about *individuals* is as preposterous as it it is terrifying.
I believe he was thinking that, unless the line was drawn at “one drop”, there would have been a lot of mixed race players defined as “white”. The lack of a “mixed race” category ensures this.