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  • @(((Owen)))
    @iSteveFan


    I think Germans have reason to censor speech given all the political upheaval they’ve had. You had commies and nazis battling it out
     
    The Germans have never liked freedom of speech. That's why they got the commies and Nazis.

    Marx never would have been allowed to propagate his agenda in his native lands. He had to go to France and then England. The Anglosphere allowed communism to be born and develop on its lands and forced the local intellectuals to learn to fight it as it grew.

    And communism never gained a foothold in Anglosphere culture. Sure, it had millions of open adherents but the people learned to resist it. Reform movements stole all the good ideas communists had and brought them into the system. Young people adopted its rhetorical flourishes without falling prey to its bloody underlying agenda.

    Meanwhile communism was suppressed in mainland Europe with censorship and other violence. So communism grew up protected and the mainstream culture never learned to resist it. When it broke out, there was no cultural experience on the left of winning young people to moderate reformist causes. More than a quarter of Germans were voting communist in the Depression.

    Meanwhile Germans suppressed their nationalist movements in the 1930s to reduce their connection to organized labor and protect the honor of ethnic minorities. The mainstream nationalists were prohibited from publishing their agenda. The result was rising power for the crazies that didn't mind being in jail, especially the Nazi SA.

    With the mainstream left denuded of youthful energy and ideas, there was no left for the establishment to ally with when the Nazis rose. The establishment was squeezed between the quarter of the public who were communists and the quarter that supported Nazis. The result is well known.

    It was all for lack of freedom of speech.

    And the only lesson the German establishment has learned is that it needs more suppression of freedom of speech.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @andy russia

    The Germans have never liked freedom of speech.

    Freedom is pretty much an English concept. The basis of freedom is the English common law. The Europeans don’t have that tradition. They’re accustomed to authoritarian government. They expect to be told what to do. No European country has ever been a free country in the sense that England used to be a free country, or in the sense that the US used to be a free country.

    One thing that needs to be emphasised very strongly is that freedom is not equivalent to democracy. You can have freedom or you can have democracy. You can’t have both.

  • @German_reader
    @Gbloco

    "but I would say the commitment to free speech is pretty strong"

    Britain locks people up for making un-pc or just tasteless statements even if there's no incitement to violence (just googgle "Liam Stacey" for an example)...so no, I don't believe there's a strong commitment to free speech in Britain today...that was the old Britain that has been deliberately destroyed.

    Replies: @Gbloco, @dfordoom

    so no, I don’t believe there’s a strong commitment to free speech in Britain today…that was the old Britain that has been deliberately destroyed.

    That was the old pre-Tony Blair Britain. David Cameron is continuing Blair’s work of destruction.

  • @Rob McX
    @Natfin

    I don't see much wrong with people believing a religion should be illegal. The laws regarding freedom of religion were written for a country composed of Christians, and mostly Protestants at that. There is no way they can be stretched to accommodate people who believe infidels and apostates should be killed, or who think it's OK for their Middle Eastern co-religionists to come to the country and blow people up.

    I wouldn't want to live in any country that persecutes people for their religious beliefs. The way to avoid doing so is not to make any religion illegal, but to keep out the religions that aren't compatible with your society.

    Replies: @Rob McX, @Natfin, @dfordoom

    The laws regarding freedom of religion were written for a country composed of Christians, and mostly Protestants at that.

    Were they really? Weren’t many of the Founding Fathers into things like Deism? Which basically made them atheists.

  • From the NYT: Do people ever get embarrassed by this kind of thing? Steven Pinker pointed out in The Blank Slate 13 years ago the Reign of Shmaltz: In reality, the Statue of Liberty is a beautiful French sculpture, a gift from France to celebrate American independence, not immigration, so if it were to be...
  • @Jack D
    @berserker

    Jobs's birth father was from a prominent Syrian family (his uncle was the Syrian UN Ambassador) and earned a PhD. I'm in favor of letting in all the Syrians with STEM PhD's (and who otherwise check out cleanly).

    Replies: @Romanian, @iSteveFan

    I know American universities aren’t projecting the best possible image right now, but don’t you think quality of education also matters? Have you heard of diploma mills? If a PhD gets you in, watch as the numbers soar. And even legitimate holders are constrained by the realities of HBD and the rigors of trusting the signal value of a diploma from a society where one looks out for tribe and clan first and where corruption is a daily occurrence.

    PS One should also remember that it is brain rape to take the doctors, technicians and other representatives of the smart fraction from a country, That country invested scarce resources in their training and possibly has a very limited smart fraction. Taking the best ones is tantamount to condemning it to have less potential tomorrow than it had yesterday. Even the ability of the population to produce such smarts is placed in jeopardy. And people notice that the country cannot be rebuilt as before, because something valuable is missing, and then they will all leave.

    My own country suffers from an extensive brain drain, which EU freedoms have made inevitable and impossible to curb. Chicken and egg – you have to grow the economy fast enough to keep people in, but it will never grow if all the best move away. My country could grow at 10% a year for 10 years and still not reach German salary levels for doctors. Meanwhile, the doctors are a visible and often discussed part of the brain drain. People might say they will only leave temporarily, but if they have children abroad, if they never gain the facility with the language, if they have social capital built up, friendships etc they will never come back, after having left in the most productive and fertile part of their lives.

    Just as an example, Germany has 4 doctors per thousand people (plus auxiliaries, resources etc). Romania has 2.5 (it produces more but exports). Syria has 1.5, and it did not really export until recently. Ghana had 0.1. So a Ghanaian doctor making a life in the West is actually leaving 10,000 of his countrymen without a doctor. It’s good for him, but bad policy for development.

    Of course, third world countries replenish their populations and exceed them rapidly. It’s only in Eastern Europe that poverty is associated with low fertility, due to the peculiar European elasticity of fertility in relation to resources.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Romanian


    Meanwhile, the doctors are a visible and often discussed part of the brain drain.
     
    A radio news report a couple of years ago (NPR, I think) covered the main medical school in Ethiopia, which is the rare one in black Africa that teaches to First World standards. That is, their graduates can be hired abroad without further training.

    And guess what-- fully half of them are.
    , @Honesthughgrant
    @Romanian

    What a great point! People talk about helping the smart immigrants come to the USA but these people should be staying in their own countries and helping out their countrymen. How the hell is Africa going to survive if every smart doctor and engineer leaves to come to the 1st world?

    , @SFG
    @Romanian

    Honestly, I'm an evil American. I want my country to be on top as long as is humanly possible. I'm all for luring away the best and brightest from around the world (and I know people on here will disagree with me on this--I don't think it'll change the overall ethnic balance that much). We'll have a better gene pool for when China finally catches up.

    Replies: @rod1963, @Jack D

  • @Jack D
    @AnotherDad


    This idea that the “Great Wave” was great for America is ridiculous....
     
    Your alternate reality Judenrein, Italian free, all Anglo-Saxon America would:

    1. Be maybe 50% black by now due to greater black fertility and no corresponding white immigration.

    2. Have lost millions of more men in WWII because there would have been no Manhattan Project without Jewish brains.

    3. Have a lot more cripples because of no polio vaccine.

    4. Be a really boring place because there would be no Hollywood, no radio, etc.

    5. With millions fewer people, might have lost the Cold War.

    and so - on. It wouldn't be the whitopia of your imagination. Maybe the whole country would be one big West Virginia.


    All immigrant groups have pluses and minuses (this should apply not just to groups but to individual potential immigrants)- the question is whether the pluses outweigh the minuses. But apparently you never met an immigrant group or immigrant that you liked.

    Replies: @Stan Adams, @bomag, @dfordoom, @AnotherDad

    2. Have lost millions of more men in WWII because there would have been no Manhattan Project without Jewish brains.

    Being a much smaller country in terms of population the US might have pursued a sensible foreign policy based on defending your own territory and not starting or getting mixed up in endless foreign wars. You might not have lost any men at all in WWII.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    @Mr. Anon

    Right, ordering somebody on a kamikaze mission is un-American. A soldier might win the Medal of Honor posthumously for undertaking one, but suicide as standing order is for Imperial Japanese, not for Americans.

    For example, something like 73 of the 80 men on Doolittle's raid on Tokyo in 1942 got back home eventually. The one-way Doolittle Raid was, seemingly, insanely daring, but it wasn't actually carefully planned to not be a suicide mission.

    It would have been pretty easy to put a man on the moon by 1969 if you didn't have to get him back to Earth, but that's not the American way of doing things.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jack D, @SFG, @Mr. Anon, @dfordoom

    Right, ordering somebody on a kamikaze mission is un-American.

    And un-Japanese. Their kamikaze pilots were volunteers.

  • A press release from Princeton University: The Justice League is the team-up of DC superheroes like Aquaman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. The Black Justice League sounds like a spinoff for Genius T. Coates to pen when he's done writing
  • @Anonymous
    Princeton has 5,500 undergrads. 17 students managed to browbeat the administration like this? That's pathetic.

    Replies: @StoneKicker

    Steve occasionally mentions how the current US administration will file suit against institutions that lean way left (recently LAUSD) in order to advance a leftist policy agenda. The institution’s response is inevitably to fold and “agree” to the lawsuit’s demands (which are actually preferred by both parties).

    I suspect something similar is happening here. Princeton administrators are well to the left of the student body and its alumni base. So 15 kids lodge a ridiculous complaint, and after some token resistance the administrators throw their hands up in mock defeat and do exactly what they wanted to do anyway. It may be a case of activists + admins (and some professors) against the majority of the student body, alumni, and likely the board as well. Granted, it’s difficult to be certain about this type of thing.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Simon in London
    @StoneKicker

    That makes sense. If the Islamist students at my University tried this they would likely all get suspended then expelled. I was wondering what the difference was - I think it must be that you're right, the Princeton administration is as far left as the demonstrators.

    Replies: @jill

  • The Islamic State (Isis) has always massacred civilians in large numbers to show its strength and instill fear in its opponents. In the West, people notice these atrocities only when they take place on their own streets, though Isis suicide bombers killed 43 people in Beirut on 12 November and 26 more in Baghdad on...
  • Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website
    @joe webb
    @Priss Factor

    your problem is you are not familiar with normal white Americans, mostly in the fly-over zone.I live in Silicon Valley, the home of strange techie Americans, but even they are nothing like the cardboard characters you have cut out for your shadow play.

    Now, if you wanted to describe the typical US university and its young fools and older white cowards, yeah, more or less.

    " ... new West is sick, degenerate, and decadent. It is not worth saving." come , come, have a nice ice cream cone, and we will watch something on TV. I suggest the HBO series, "Deadwood", for something True. (despite a couple pee -cee bits on jews and negroes)

    Joe Webb

    Replies: @Priss Factor

    Not true. I spent half my life in ‘flyover country’, the other half in big cities. I’ve seen everything.

    And most people ARE cardboard characters. Sure, everyone has his or her eccentricities, peculiarities, and oddities, but most people are drones, clones, dogs, puppets, muppets, robots, and tards.
    Just look how fast the disease of the homo agenda spread.
    Just look at the spread of tattoo culture.
    Just look at the rise of PC and all the cowardice.

    No, I’ve spoken to ignorami and educated folks, and most of them are programmed robots. Dummies are programmed by Jerry Springer, Family Guy, and Talk Radio. Smarties are programmed by Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, NPR, and homo agenda.

    95% of the time when I have conversations, I can predict exactly what the other person is going to say. Not only the same idea but the same familiar phrases they got from media. It’s like listening to parrots.

    It may be that you are mischaracterizing most people cuz you went from left to right and because you hang around more free-thinking types. You are different from most folks.

    Let me tell you that most people are mindless drones. They are all the more so today since even the educated class read much less than in the past.

    ————————

    DEADWOOD is something true? It’s just a TV western with the F-word in every other sentence. I heard all the high praise, so I gave it a try, and I turned it off after 20 min cuz I couldn’t take these F-words that went forever. It might have even topped Good Will Hunting—another movie I had to turn off—in F-words.

    I don’t mind F-words when necessary but gratuitous verbal filth is like unnecessary nudity and violence/gore in movies and TV shows.
    Besides, it’s not even daring anymore to use F-words. Every Tarantino movie uses it a 100 times.

    Now, Scorsese knows how to use it right, especially with Joe Pesci who cracks me up.

    But DEADWOOD, like all these so-called serious TV shows, sucked.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-d5yU-aQ34
    Video Link

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @joe webb
    @Priss Factor

    well Priss, I hope you pay more attention to other matters than."..eard all the high praise, so I gave it a try, and I turned it off after 20 min cuz I couldn’t take these F-words that went forever."

    Let us see, let us be Rational, come let us Reason together. Something tells me you are female since your tender sensibility was Offended by the fuck word.

    The show lasted three seasons, I am not a TV watcher, but I did discover Deadwood along with the Sopranos somewhere inasmuch as I do not have cable, etc. The Sopranos was pretty good because it told , apparently , the truth. I got a little boring, but.

    So Deadwood, 3 seasons at, what 10 episodes or so per season? Let us say, 25 to 30 episodes. And you watched 20 minutes and your ears were fuck-burning so you went back to your Jane Austen.

    OK, but as a critic, you have zero to say on the basis of not having watched ,say, 3% of the entire show. You are, in other words, disqualified.

    Now since you and I are somewhat on the same page, although I find you like a lot of folks...cussedness possessed and self -victimizing of Columbus Syndrome ( so ego bound that you have to discover it for yourself ) your reasoning abilities are diminished, again not by native brain-power but by your cussedness...and female hysteria, what is called "loopy cunts" by Al Swearengen of Deadwood.

    My personal experience over, say 60 years of nascent and mature adulthood, male variety, is that women are loopy, even when bright, but not as loopy when bright. Are men loopy? yes to some degree, but not nearly so much as women.

    I am not complaining, that is the evolutionary role of women, not to think, but to feel, and of course, they do a good job with children because of it. When thinking...forget it to a large degree.

    Deadwood is the best cinema I have ever seen, except for its pee-cee with regard to blacks and Jews. HBO is Jewish and the creator of Deadwood, Milch is a jew, and so you have to dodge your own vomit at these junctures...to appreciate the Truths of Deadwood. Milch and so many others, actors, etc. are all brilliant. There is not a false note or bum poetic diction in the series, otherwise. The visuals are painterly as well.

    So I also wonder where you have some fun. Nature? Music, socializing...although I bet you are, shall we say, a challenge. Pets? cross-word puzzles? (I think they are erode one's sensibility as they rack our precious lexicon...words twisted and bent in meaning )

    Joe Webb

  • From today's Guardian: In other words, the government of Sweden didn't have a clue how many poor people there are in the world who'd like to move to Sweden and collect welfare. But you can't blame Sweden's leaders for thei
  • @Tom-in-VA
    Translated very loosely from the Swedish, what she was saying was, "People all over Sweden are furious at this mess we've created, and if we don't do something drastic right now the Sweden Democrats are going to crush us at the polls in the next election (sob)."

    Replies: @Wilkey, @dfordoom

    “People all over Sweden are furious at this mess we’ve created, and if we don’t do something drastic right now the Sweden Democrats are going to crush us at the polls in the next election (sob).”

    Yep. It’s just a strategy to undermine the Sweden Democrats. The depressing thing is that it will probably work.

  • From my new Taki's Magazine column: Read the whole thing there.
  • @GW
    Great column, one of your best ever.

    Liberals should take the final paragraph to be the olive branch that it is. Join us in seriously defending the West from Islam and other non-liberal foreign elements or be purged alongside them. There's no point in celebrating trivialities like court-ordered sodomarriage when you bring in people who stone homosexuals.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @ua2

    Liberals should take the final paragraph to be the olive branch that it is. Join us in seriously defending the West from Islam and other non-liberal foreign elements or be purged alongside them. There’s no point in celebrating trivialities like court-ordered sodomarriage when you bring in people who stone homosexuals.

    Extending an olive branch to liberals is a very big mistake.

    I sure as hell don’t want to fight immigration in order to defend sodomarriage or feminazis. I’d rather hold out an olive branch to Moslems and join them in crushing the feminists and the LGBTQWERTY crowd.

    If there’s going to be a “we” that includes liberals then include me out. Any conservatives silly enough to ally with liberals will find themselves used and then thrown under the bus when the liberals decide they don’t need them any more.

    • Agree: Kylie
    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
    @dfordoom

    I disagree. We are all quite liberal. If you don't recognize that, you don't know much about the world outside.

    The problem in the US is that our leftists have adopted crazy ideas. But if they can turn against Muslim immigration based on self-preservation and solidarity, they will, by definition, have started to heal themselves.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom

    , @Romanian
    @dfordoom

    Oh my God, this is the plot of Submission and The Handmaid's Tale unfolding beneath our eyes!

  • @Chrisnonymous
    @dfordoom

    I disagree. We are all quite liberal. If you don't recognize that, you don't know much about the world outside.

    The problem in the US is that our leftists have adopted crazy ideas. But if they can turn against Muslim immigration based on self-preservation and solidarity, they will, by definition, have started to heal themselves.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom

    I disagree. We are all quite liberal.

    Who is this we you are talking about? I don’t think I belong to the same we that you do. I”m not sure that I belong to any we at all.

    One of the difficulties of trying to have political discussions these days is that virtually none of the terms commonly used have any meaning whatsoever. Liberal, progressive, conservative, left-wing, right-wing, fascist – these are words that no longer mean what they used to mean, in fact they no longer mean very much at all.

    If you asked the average self-identified liberal to define liberalism you’d get a slew of meaningless slogans and tired cliches that have no connection with what liberalism used to be.

  • @Chrisnonymous
    @dfordoom

    I disagree. We are all quite liberal. If you don't recognize that, you don't know much about the world outside.

    The problem in the US is that our leftists have adopted crazy ideas. But if they can turn against Muslim immigration based on self-preservation and solidarity, they will, by definition, have started to heal themselves.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom

    The problem in the US is that our leftists have adopted crazy ideas. But if they can turn against Muslim immigration based on self-preservation and solidarity, they will, by definition, have started to heal themselves.

    Your faith is touching. In fact what we are seeing is a tactical retreat. That is certainly unusual, but it will merely be a prelude to another offensive. The war to destroy western civilisation has certainly not been abandoned.

    US leftists are not leftist by any sensible definition of the term. They are useful idiots for powerful elites who have no ideology other than power. They are brain-dead nihilists intent only on demonstrating their shining virtue. They understand nothing. They are spoilt children. The “turn against Muslim immigration” has been dictated by the elites. The ordinary “leftist” foot-soldiers lack the ability to make such decisions. They will do as they are told.

  • From today's Guardian: In other words, the government of Sweden didn't have a clue how many poor people there are in the world who'd like to move to Sweden and collect welfare. But you can't blame Sweden's leaders for thei
  • @Ron Unz
    @ben tillman


    They did include definitions that say an invader enters by force, and the people in question are most certainly doing so. The fact that the force is supplied by their allies makes no difference.
     
    Well, perhaps it's quibbling over silly verbiage, but I still disagree. Let's consider the example of the Visigothic hordes who entered Rome, a historical analogy much beloved by the most extreme anti-immigrationists.

    Were the Visigoths "invaders"? Hardly, since the Roman emperor authorized them to cross the border and enter. Perhaps he shouldn't have and I suspect he may have regretted his decision when they later defeated and killed him in battle. But he was the responsible legal authority, and since he told them they could come in, they obviously weren't invaders.

    Haven't Merkel and most of the other responsible EU governmental authorities authorized the entrance of all those million-plus refugees? Then they obviously aren't invaders. Perhaps if they tore a hole in Orban's fence and entered Hungary against his wishes, they could be called "invaders," depending upon the complex relationship between conflicting Hungarian and EU law; but as far as I know, they're going around Hungary because they're not wanted there. Just because governments are doing something you don't like doesn't make their actions illegal.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Wilkey, @Clyde

    Just because governments are doing something you don’t like doesn’t make their actions illegal.

    True. Many things that governments do are stupid or immoral or destructive but still perfectly legal.

    Of course these actions by governments are often taken without informing the people or asking their consent which makes them dubiously democratic at best. But the voters could toss them out at the next election, and more often than not fail to do so. Many actions taken by voters are also stupid or immoral or destructive.

    • Replies: @Wilkey
    @dfordoom

    "Of course these actions by governments are often taken without informing the people or asking their consent which makes them dubiously democratic at best."

    Witness all the data being withheld by the government of the massive number of Central American "children" being allowed into our country over the last few years, or the fact that the German government withheld it's real estimates - 1.5 million, not 800,000 - of refugees who would arrive in the first year of Merkel's policy.

    What legitimate reason is there for a democratic government to withhold this sort of information from the voters?

  • Social psychologist Jonathan Haidt, whose 2012 book The Righteous Mind I reviewed in Taki's, writes: One possibility for the school Haidt is talking about is Lakeside School in Seattle, which Bill Gates and Paul Allen attended. Haidt gave a talk there on October 21. I gave a version of a talk that you can see...
  • @Desiderius
    It's amusing how these uber-conformist SJW children of the rich and powerful to a woman identify as "left-wing."

    They're about as left-wing as Richelieu.

    Replies: @SFG, @Anonymous, @ben tillman, @andy russia, @Cloudbuster

    ‘Left-wing’ means identifying with groups perceived as powerless or less powerful–women, gays, brown people, LGBTCBY, etc.

    ‘Working class’ isn’t really in there anymore, which lets the elites pocket even more money while leftists spend all their time dissecting levels of oppression and chastising trailer park occupants for their privilege instead of organizing unions.

    A lot of you probably disagree, but society actually does need a left to deal with problems of excess inequality–indeed, concentration of wealth in too few hands is at least in part responsible for politicians responding only to donor bases, which exacerbates problems with a strong populist-vs-elitist slant like excess immigration and offshoring jobs–what if Republican presidential candidates had to respond to their voters, rather than their donors like Sheldon Adelson? AIPAC would also be a lot less powerful.

    But now that the left is preoccupied with race and gender to the exclusion of class–well, the rich can move around a few positions on boards, give them to their daughters and a few token brown people, and keep shipping jobs overseas and cheap labor in (as well as giving themselves tax cuts).

    There’s a populist-elitist axis as well as a left-right axis, and the elitists have taken over left and right. That, I think, is the problem (one of them anyway).

    • Agree: Vendetta, CJ, dfordoom, Hail
    • Replies: @27 year old
    @SFG

    the worst part is how blind the american "left wing" is to this

    , @Mark Eugenikos
    @SFG


    A lot of you probably disagree, but society actually does need a left to deal with problems of excess inequality...
     
    Why would you say that? I believe quite a few people on this forum understand perfectly well the problems of excess inequality. And I mean here inequality in its various forms, i.e. economic (shipping middle class factory jobs overseas while importing third worlders to do IT/retail/service jobs), ethnic (again importing third worlders), cognitive (NAMs, both indigenous and imported), etc.

    Anybody who's traveled a bit would have realized that more harmonious societies are also more homogenous, i.e. less unequal. Examples: NW and central Europe before huge influx of immigrants, Japan, Korea. Who (at least among us here) wouldn't want to live in the U.S. that is like the U.S. from the fifties? It's well before my time but we've all heard and read plenty about it. What's not to like?
    , @ben tillman
    @SFG


    A lot of you probably disagree, but society actually does need a left to deal with problems of excess inequality–indeed, concentration of wealth in too few hands....

    But now that the left is preoccupied with race and gender to the exclusion of class....
     
    The Left has never had any concern for issues of "class". The back-and-forth between Trotsky and Dewey makes it clear that class conflict was a means to another end.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @SFG

    , @anon
    @SFG

    Deflecting attention away from the growing power of the oligarchs onto issues of race and gender is good for the oligarchs.

    Replies: @CJ

    , @Desiderius
    @SFG


    ‘Left-wing’ means identifying with groups perceived as powerless or less powerful–women, gays, brown people, LGBTCBY, etc.
     
    I can see why those who have created and propagated the fake-Left gain by so defining it. I fail to see how the rest of us, Left, Right, and Center, gain by agreeing with them and helping them spread the lie, however.

    There is also something to be said for truth, whatever one's ideology.
    , @Mr. Anon
    @SFG

    "A lot of you probably disagree, but society actually does need a left to deal with problems of excess inequality–indeed, concentration of wealth in too few hands is at least in part responsible for politicians responding only to donor bases, which exacerbates problems with a strong populist-vs-elitist slant like excess immigration and offshoring jobs–what if Republican presidential candidates had to respond to their voters, rather than their donors like Sheldon Adelson? AIPAC would also be a lot less powerful."

    I do disagree. You are right that society needs people who will object to excess inequality, but it need not be leftists. And it shouldn't be them, because at root, leftists don't care. All they will ever really strive for is realizing their own will to power, using the aggrieved and the envious as thier tools.

    Replies: @Hail

    , @Anonymous
    @SFG

    That having a Democratic Party that cares more for such issues as LGBTQiA concerns & gun control nowadays than what lower class people actually care about such as good schools for their children, so-called 'right-to work' laws & minimum wage ordinances is as much as a result of the curtailing the ability of unions being able to be involved in the political process & the resultant inability for the party of JFK & LBJ to get their funding for working class folks as it is much the result of the Frankfurt School types taking over the DNC, which meant the democrats were now compelled to go somewhere else to get their funding, which eventually having to go so far as going to Wall Street to keep on keeping on. So as a result, the Democrats that do manage to make it to the White House happen to be corporatists in the vain of the Clintons & Obama(what happened to the promised change?). With that being said, it's amazing that even 50% of the electorate actually bothers to vote @ all, mostly in Presidential elections.

    Replies: @bomag

    , @Hail
    @SFG

    Thank you, SFG, for adding such excellent commentary to this discussion. Twittered:


    What does it mean to be on the Left today? https://t.co/VTUZc1NHvj (Comment by SFG, @Steve_Sailer blog, @UnzReview) pic.twitter.com/Fj21364XCj— Hail (@Hail__To_You) November 27, 2015
     

    @Hail__To_You @Steve_Sailer @UnzReview the comments on Steve's blogs are better than 98% of media from paid contributors.— Professor Avenue (@ProfAve) November 27, 2015
     
    , @reiner Tor
    @SFG


    A lot of you probably disagree, but society actually does need a left to deal with problems of excess inequality
     
    No, I think it's easy to agree with this.
  • @AKAHorace
    SFG,

    Agree with you 100 %. I came to this position from the left. Of those who agree with you how many are left wingers versus right wingers ?

    Replies: @CJ, @dfordoom

    Agree with you 100 %. I came to this position from the left. Of those who agree with you how many are left wingers versus right wingers ?

    I’m centre-left on economic issues and a social conservative (in fact by today’s standards I’m an arch-reactionary on social issues). I don’t see myself as having moved away from the Left – it was the Left that moved away from me. My views on social issues haven’t changed much. 25 years ago my views on social issues were quite acceptable in leftist circles. 50 years ago they’d have been absolutely mainstream on the Left.

    I also found that the leftist party here (the Labor Party) was moving away from me on economic issues. They used to be an actual left-wing party. Now they’re a party of big business but ultra-hard left on social issues.

    It was political correctness that disillusioned me with the Left. Particularly the intolerance displayed by feminists.

  • @CJ
    @AKAHorace

    I came to this position from the left

    I'm one of nature's right-wingers but in the last decade and a bit I've come to realize that globalization has a serious downside even if commies say so, old-style labour leaders were correct to oppose massive low-wage immigration, economists say whatever their sponsors want them to say, and "conservative" political parties assiduously serve their big business donors while abusing their small-business middle-class base. Another guy who figured a lot of this out before I did once told me that the journey from liberal to conservative is no big deal, it's the journey from conservative to reactionary that is truly transformative.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    it’s the journey from conservative to reactionary that is truly transformative.

    It’s a journey worth taking.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @dfordoom

    I'd love to, I'm just afraid of winding up dead by one of my new friends when my ancestry comes out...

    The rest of you probably should go ahead, though. The country needs you...

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    , @neon
    @dfordoom

    I've never made the journey: I was born a little reactionary.

  • In the West, crying and dying is framed as … winning. Or so an Extra-Terrestrial from Deep Space would conclude, should he look down upon the landmasses that make up The West. From his worldly perspective, ET will observe that when they are blown up by the Aliens in Their Midst, The West is wont...
  • An excellent, courageous article. The author demonstrates her unwavering commitment to individual rights, including freedom of expression, by criticizing the Federal Republic’s prosecution of an elderly woman for the heinous thought crime of “Holocaust denial.” Such prosecution is a common occurrence in the soft authoritarian regimes of western Europe which the First Amendment has thankfully spared us in America–so far.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Wally
    @Ralph Raico

    I've seen it said here many times, the reason for Thought Crime laws against "Holocaust denial" is that it is an unsustainable house of cards that has been driven by special interest profit motives. It cannot last. Much more to come on that.

    Replies: @Stan D Mute

    , @ilana mercer
    @Ralph Raico

    Dear Dr. Raico,

    You generous comments means a great deal to me.

    ilana

    , @SolontoCroesus
    @Ralph Raico

    Disagree was in error. attempt to cancel it didn't work.

  • Turkey's decision to shoot down a Russian warplane was a provocative and portentous act. That Sukhoi Su-24, which the Turks say intruded into their air space, crashed and burned -- in Syria. One of the Russian pilots was executed while parachuting to safety. A Russian rescue helicopter was destroyed by rebels using a U.S. TOW...
  • @Kiza
    Buchanan is boring writer, an insignificant regurgitator, way past his conservative political prime. Sorry, just my opinion. Go to amconmag.com for much better of conservative.

    Replies: @David, @Anonymous, @VisPacem, @RobinG, @Anonymous, @Intelligent Dasein, @Buzz Mohawk, @Tsar Nicholas

    Pat Buchanan was the alt-right before we even had a name for it. Read his books sometime. The Unnecessary War is not only not boring, it’s one of the most provocative and stimulating books on WWII there is.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Kiza
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Thank for the recommendation, I have already read a good part of this book, but not the whole. I agree that it is not boring, but I am sorry to say, it was not completely new to me. It may be that the US intellectual environment tends to be monotheist, so when someone digresses from the religion he becomes a revolutionary. There are tens of different theories and views about different events of WW2, but the US schools and universities tend to draw a single (simplified) line on most historical events.

    Besides, every war was unnecessary, especially from the point of view of those who died.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

  • @Intelligent Dasein
    @Kiza

    It was not new to me either. What's surprising, though, is that someone of Pat's stature and name recognition actually wrote it and got it published. You won't find many other people who are both welcome guests on mainstream media outlets and who bash the myth of Winston Churchill. Pat is very unique in that respect.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    You won’t find many other people who are both welcome guests on mainstream media outlets and who bash the myth of Winston Churchill.

    Anyone who bashes Churchill is A-OK in my book. Churchill should have been hanged as a war criminal.

    • Agree: Kiza
  • From the NYT: Doing a search on the article for the text string "Thatcher" of course comes up empty. But how can a
  • @Rob McX
    @dearieme

    But Victoria wasn't a mere figurehead in the way the present monarch is, either. The influence of the King or Queen has undergone more than a century of serious erosion since her day.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The influence of the King or Queen has undergone more than a century of serious erosion since her day.

    Which has been very unfortunate.

  • An NYT editorial: Or it could be that the celebration of Black Lives Matters encourages blacks to murder other blacks. We don't really know what's going on, so we shouldn't yet rule out potential causes. As with so many debates about crime in America, it helps to examine the actual numbers. It is true that...
  • @TangoMan
    @Dave Pinsen

    The point of his contrived statistic is to advance the white men are dangerous narrative. His point is contrived because it completely omits reference to the population ratio of the two groups.

    Here, two can play at that game. Pitbulls are way, way more likely to be euthanized by humans than they are to kill or maim humans, so see, there's not really a pitbull problem and you have nothing to fear when you walk up to pet a barking pitbull straining on his leash and looking as though he wants to attack you. Don't believe your lying eyes, believe counter-intuitive arguments.

    You can mash up all sorts of facts and figures and come up with nonsensical, counter-intuitive conclusion.

    Replies: @Mr. Jones, @ben tillman, @dfordoom

    Pitbulls are way, way more likely to be euthanized by humans than they are to kill or maim humans,

    #PitbullLivesMatter

  • Affirmative action in college admissions based on race/ethnicity has been common since the end of the 1960s. It rather quickly was discovered to benefit primarily blacks and Latinos from above average homes. So, slowly, the rationalization for affirmative action was rewritten by the Supreme Court from original assertions of fairness, anti-discrimination, and reparations for slavery...
  • This would be hellaciously difficult to implement as a functioning admissions systems.

    The only way to get liberals to let go of the diversity bone is to make it unpalatable. Canada has implemented a regulation rule which forces old regulations to be discarded every time a new regulation is implemented. The same principle needs to be applied to universities with respect to diversity. Currently it’s fine for white professors and white administrators to pledge to hire more minorities because the cost falls on young white academics just entering the job market. Republicans should be forcing universities to fire white academics to make room for newly hired black academics and let the other job competitions proceed in a race neutral fashion, after all it is the existing academics who are doing the most posturing on the need for more diversity, so let them pay the price.

    The same poisoned chalice strategy needs to work with student admissions. Make it socially toxic for universities to overlook inner-city black youth as they favor the black children of Colin Powell and Obama. Liberal academics say that they want diversity, well a black kid from Philips Exeter doesn’t add anything to the environment, so hold universities to their statements, using Alinsky tactics, and make them admit Shiteria from the ghetto. Make “Black Autumn” look like a walk in the park compared to the environment which will develop when true diversity is shoved into the university environment.

    The only way to make diversity toxic as an ideal is to make it very unpleasant for all involved. Look at the rise of white student unions as the immediate response to Black Autumn – it can get much, much worse and really undercut the notion that diversity is some benefit to education.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Ivy
    @TangoMan

    Making HR and other bureaucrats follow their own rules was a pleasant diversion in business, in between times actually making money in spite of those groups.

    , @Triumph104
    @TangoMan


    The only way to get liberals to let go of the diversity bone is to make it unpalatable. Canada has implemented a regulation rule which forces old regulations to be discarded every time a new regulation is implemented. The same principle needs to be applied to universities with respect to diversity. Currently it’s fine for white professors and white administrators to pledge to hire more minorities because the cost falls on young white academics just entering the job market. Republicans should be forcing universities to fire white academics to make room for newly hired black academics and let the other job competitions proceed in a race neutral fashion, after all it is the existing academics who are doing the most posturing on the need for more diversity, so let them pay the price.
     
    This is ingenious.

    I'm reading The Only Woman in the Room by Eileen Pollack. She entered Yale as a physics major in 1974. When she went to interview her old professors in 2010 only one had retired, a few months earlier. The rest were still teaching or somehow working in the industry. I was wondering why anyone would spend 10 years getting a Ph.D. knowing that the old-timers refuse to leave and the rare open positions will be given to underrepresented minorities.

    Yale is going to spend $50 million over 5 years to diversify its faculty.
    https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2015/11/04/yale-spend-50m-faculty-diversity-effort

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @TangoMan

  • From the Wall Street Journal, one of those articles where the reporter starts out with the current party line, then undermines it with an abundance of distressing facts. The article has a perhaps overly sophisticated graph of birth rates using that 2015 U.N. Population Prospects data that I've been emphasizing so much in recent months....
  • iSteveFan says:
    @Luke Lea

    Africa will soon become the world’s most reliable source of new life: of college graduates, young workers and budding consumers.
     
    College graduates? Only if the West continues to selectively syphon off Africa's best and brightest, stripping the continent of its scarce human capital and thus insuring that the billions left behind will be mired in a permanent state of underdevelopment.

    A better alternative might be for our Ivy League youth to go to Africa between their sophomore and junior years on do-gooder projects, but with the secret intention of impregnating as many nubile young virgins as they are able to seduce. Now that would be a legacy worth leaving!

    Replies: @iSteveFan, @Discordiax

    College graduates? Only if the West continues to selectively syphon off Africa’s best and brightest, stripping the continent of its scarce human capital and thus insuring that the billions left behind will be mired in a permanent state of underdevelopment.

    I’m surprised progressives and others haven’t seen fit to take up this issue. The West is indeed stripping Africa and other developing nations of its best talent. Just as the evil, old colonialists extracted natural resources, the modern oligarchs are extracting human resources today. Surely there is something in this line of thought that is worthy of a hashtag and a social media following.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @notsaying
    @iSteveFan

    One of the best things the First World could do for itself would be to greatly increase the number of spots in medical schools and hospital residency programs.

    We'd be helping ourselves by not having to poach doctors from other places -- and helping the Third World countries even more by letting them keep the few doctors they have.

    I heard someone on TV talk about how much it would cost to produce more American doctors and I thought, "Are you kidding me? We're the world's richest country and we "can't afford" to train enough doctors for ourselves?"

    Replies: @MarkinLA, @Former Darfur

    , @ben tillman
    @iSteveFan


    I’m surprised progressives and others haven’t seen fit to take up this issue. The West is indeed stripping Africa and other developing nations of its best talent.
     
    The Left has no principles. The narrative is always constructed ad hoc, ex nihilo, to serve the interests of the Left.
  • Commenter Hail notes that white women who identify more or less as Republicans have 18% more children than white women who identity more or less as Democrats: I think this is actually Completed Fertility, which is not exactly the same as Total Fertility Rate, but pretty close. Also, if you are looking at women 40...
  • @anon
    They are pod creatures; they reproduce by infecting other people's young via schools and media.

    However as the base drive will be genetic the effect of the youthful brain washing on otherwise naturally conservative children at school will fade with age but where female fertility is concerned that is too late.

    So yes white SJWs will die out but they're likely to take white conservatives down with them unless they can get their own schools and media.

    (The way muslim immigrants defend against SJW anti-natalism is forming concentrated enclaves through slow burn ethnic cleaning so the local schools become 100% muslim and SJW teachers are gradually driven out. Another is by not allowing their kids to watch western tv - they have satellites and watch middle east tv instead - which ironically is how all the holocaust denial stuff is spreading.)

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The way muslim immigrants defend against SJW anti-natalism is forming concentrated enclaves through slow burn ethnic cleaning so the local schools become 100% muslim and SJW teachers are gradually driven out. Another is by not allowing their kids to watch western tv

    Which would seem to indicate that they are a lot smarter than white people. White people willingly expose their kids to the poisons of the education system and the entertainment industry. Another example of the white death wish.

    • Replies: @anon
    @dfordoom

    It doesn't indicate anything and there is no white death wish.

  • @Charles Erwin Wilson
    @Whiskey

    Nope.

    So called conversions are youthful detours into rose-colored landscapes constructed by snake-oil hucksters.

    Child bearing will dissuade the adults from utopian delusions. Reality coerces those remaining with the capacity for reason. A few will heed the siren song of the left, but no one should expect any population to be free of defects.

    The future does not belong to the left. The open question is how many must needlessly die, and how many more must suffer, before the cancer that plagues us now is excised by reason, experience and common sense.

    The species that produced the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution, is not going to be subjected to Marxist bonds and politically correct shackles forever. The present does not determine the future. The ride may be rough, but our perspective will prevail. Ignore the defeatists, and look to the future.

    Replies: @Keith Vaz, @Stan D Mute

    The species that produced the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution, is not going to be subjected to Marxist bonds and politically correct shackles forever.

    I see this thought expressed now and again. Often it’s paired with the comment that Americans possess some 300 million firearms and the vast majority belong to conservatives. But isn’t the basic instinct of the conservative to conserve? Instigating revolution is not conservative. A conservative sees the disparity in armament between civilian and military and thinks, “I have a family to take care of, I can’t go off and get myself killed by drone strike or cruise missile.” Your .308 with a nice Leupold scope is indeed devastating to the deer or elk population, but as modern revolutionary tool it is of little use when government forces can easily kill you from a thousand miles away. The fanatic who espouses conservative positions is rarer and this fact combined with his fanaticism make it likely he is already known to government which collects and analyzes every bit and byte transmitted. So, if there is zero prospect for a military reset to America’s founding principles (and population), that leaves only the ballot box. And I think we all know the true likelihood of succeeding in a rollback of government size, scope, and spending through popular vote.

    The only way we can return to the ideals our Founders intended for us is through the ashes of complete collapse caused by our insanely reckless fiscal policy, suicidal immigration policy, or our equally insane foreign policy. A collapse that may not happen for another century..

    Freedom loving conservatives will in the meantime continue buying more hunting rifles and dehydrated food stocks and hiding in their suburban or exurban homes while their nation collapses around them. Their numbers will dwindle until they’re so few that government can set about removing them one-by-one.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Stan D Mute

    Or committing suicide in record numbers, if reports are to be believed. Given that pessimistic worldview, I guess it's logical.

    , @Salty
    @Stan D Mute

    Much easier to emigrate to a weak Latin American nation like Venezuela and overthrow that government and start again. Hell the USA would probably help you out.

    , @TangoMan
    @Stan D Mute

    A conservative sees the disparity in armament between civilian and military and thinks, “I have a family to take care of, I can’t go off and get myself killed by drone strike or cruise missile.”

    Rebellion won't be expressed on a battlefield. Someone has to press the button to launch the missile, someone has to give the order, and that military person, while secure while on a military base, isn't secure in daily life living in the midst of a society torn by rebellion. He has to go food shopping, he has to fill up the tank in his car, and is a wide open target.

    Frankly, I'm surprised that the jihadists haven't activated one of their cells here in America to target drone operators based in Nevada.

  • Our knowledge of the early life of Alexander the Great is based upon very slender literary evidence.[*] Arrian devotes only a few sentences to the years prior to Alexander's campaigns. Plutarch's coverage of Alexander's youth is also very condensed, and both he and Arrian rely almost exclusively upon pro-Alexander sources such as Ptolemy and Aristoboulos....
  • The practice of eliminating rival half-brothers was virtually universal among polygamous monarchies.

    It may seem unpleasant but it was necessary. If a king didn’t eliminate rival half-brothers (and full brothers) it was an absolute certainty that they would take steps to eliminate him. Strict and properly defined rules of succession are a fairly modern development. Even without polygamy rules of succession were not very clear in the ancient and medieval periods, hence The Wars of the Roses and similar stuff.

    If Alexander had his half-brothers killed that simply demonstrates his wisdom. There was no other way to assure stability.

  • Last week's Racist Hate Crime Crisis of the Century -- some of the tape black protestors put over the Harvard Law School seal was also found over portraits of black professors -- always sounded like an exceptionally lazy hoax. Couldn't the black activists have bothered to bring a second, different roll of tape for the...
  • @Shouting Thomas
    My favorite (conspiracy) theory about the the entire Black Autumn dustup.

    These are fund raising drives directed by the various "studies" departments on campus. Isn't it odd that the "demands" always mirror those of all those Diversity departments, i.e., more money and power for them?

    Makes sense to me.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    These are fund raising drives directed by the various “studies” departments on campus. Isn’t it odd that the “demands” always mirror those of all those Diversity departments, i.e., more money and power for them?

    Yes, very much so.

    And it allows leftist professors to push ahead with implementing more crazy leftist stuff that they wanted to do anyway.

  • @Jonathan Silber
    On-campus incidents of tape or attempted tape will soon be reaching epidemic proportions.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    On-campus incidents of tape or attempted tape will soon be reaching epidemic proportions.

    There’s no way to prevent it unless you eliminate the tape culture.

  • As we all know, Japan is an economic black hole with a stagnant, aging, unvibrant population. Except as various graphs by Jason Bayz suggest, Japan has been doing a pretty good job keeping the Japanese at work.
  • @Massimo Heitor
    @AndrewR


    I’m not sure that’s true. There have been a significant number of people calling for Japan to liberalize its immigration policy. But the Japanese have been pretty adamant about staying Japanese. It certainly helps that their population is so overwhelmingly monoethnic. The US population never was, so it was easier to get Americans to support open borders. Although, it certainly helps that Japan does not have a significant number of persons from a certain host-society-undermining tribe which shall remain nameless.
     
    The nations of Europe were pretty recently overwhelmingly monoethnic. That's nothing that can't similarly be changed in Japan in a year of coordinate mass immigration

    I don't doubt what you say, there are some pushes to liberalize immigration in Japan, and I don't see a good numeric measure, but it's not a small fraction of the pressure being put on European nations. Liberal media is endlessly mocking Hungary for example, or Marine Le Pen in France, but would never criticize Japan or any non-Euro white nation. India shoots to kill at unwanted migrants. It still blows my mind that such large fractions of the Earth and natural resources are claimed by Sunni Muslim ethnic states that are viciously exclusive and hostile towards other ethno religious groups, yet they are under zero pressure to help their own claimed ethno religious group.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The nations of Europe were pretty recently overwhelmingly monoethnic.

    That was an historical aberration. There’s hardly a single European nation that can claim to have had a long-term existence as a monoethnic state.

    Europe was on the other hand, until recently, mostly monoracial. And it was fairly monoreligious, apart from sizeable Jewish minorities, and sizeable Moslem minorities in the Balkans.

    What united most European countries was loyalty to a particular monarchy, such as the Hapsburgs. That might have continued to work had it not been for the disaster of the First World War.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @dfordoom

    ""The nations of Europe were pretty recently overwhelmingly monoethnic.""

    That was an historical aberration. There’s hardly a single European nation that can claim to have had a long-term existence as a monoethnic state."

    He said 'nations', not 'states'. Different things. The nations of Europe were largely monoethnic - that is sort of the definition of 'nation'. That is becoming less true now as the actual nations are dissolving under the immigration onslaught.

  • @Jack D
    @Brutusale

    The problem for the US is that it was NEVER a heterogenous society like Japan. We can't go back to the Garden of Eden because we were never there to begin with. Maybe there was a brief interval in the 50's where the prior waves of immigration had all been mostly digested (since there had been little since WWI) and the rural black population of Mississippi had not all moved north yet where there were a few whitopias where more or less everyone was white Protestant but this was really the exception in American history. Part of the problem is that the movie in our head is sort of a Hollywood version of America where everyone looks like the cast of Father Knows Best or Gunsmoke but the real America never really looked like that to begin with except in isolated times and places. The 19th century Texan of our imagination is a white cowboy but the real Texas of 1860 was almost 1/3 black slaves and New Mexico in 1870 was 90% Hispanic.

    I have to admit that it is disorienting to feel like a stranger in your "own" society, which is now so different than the society of our childhood if you are a baby boomer or older. But realistically we are never going to unscramble this omelet and we are going to have to figure out how to live in this world (for the time we have left) and not be the cranky old guy shaking his cane and yelling "get off of my lawn". It's a lot easier for kids because they accept the world that they were born into as being "normal".

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Yojimbo/Zatoichi, @Anonym, @The Man From K Street

    I have to admit that it is disorienting to feel like a stranger in your “own” society, which is now so different than the society of our childhood if you are a baby boomer or older. But realistically we are never going to unscramble this omelet and we are going to have to figure out how to live in this world (for the time we have left) and not be the cranky old guy shaking his cane and yelling “get off of my lawn”. It’s a lot easier for kids because they accept the world that they were born into as being “normal”.

    Physical secession is not feasible or worthwhile, to say nothing of being treasonable. Purely mental secession, whether individually like what Plato had in mind in his Republic, or familially/locally as in Rod Dreher’s asinine “Benedict Option” is also unworkable. But there is a third option, and it has an impeccably American pedigree in terms of dealing with the kind of multiculturalism you talk about:

    Build a “state within the state”. It’s what the American Catholic Church did from the 1870s to just after WW2. It’s what the waves of German immigrants in America did in the seventy years 1848-1918. It’s what the Latter Day Saints do today, and in a sense, so do the Jews. Build a network, not online, but in the real world. Not just of schools and health care providers, but of insurance companies, mutual aid societies, purchasers’ co-ops. And since man does not live by bread alone, include beer gardens, athletics clubs, independent scouting associations, lecture groups, and cultural foundations.

    It is no accident that the biggest of the US states-within-the-state, American Catholicism’s inward-looking phase, faded away pretty quickly in the 1950s–the exact time that you posit as the only possible “golden age” of uniculture. That ‘separation’ was no longer seen by most lay Catholics as necessary–their immigrant roots had been pretty much digested and assimilated, and there was nothing else on the domestic horizon (apart from foreign, external things like Communism). So they relaxed, got complacent–and lowered their defenses well before Vatican II.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  • Excerpts from a long article in New York about the high homicide rate in Baltimore after the riots. I'm not a big opponent of the passive voice in writing, but the tendency of journalists to lapse into the passive voice when describing black violence is not a coincidence. Is it really that mysterious or unique?...
  • @Mr. Anon
    OT: On Drudge this morning - the New Scientist reports a study purporting to show that there is no difference between the brains of men and women.

    No Male or Female Brain

    And just to show that this study is completely neutral, dispassionate, and scientific-like, they accompany that article with an editorial about how wonderful the results are and what a blow to the patriarchy it is:

    Smash the Patriarchy!

    It all sounds rather hokey to me. They found that the structure of the 'male' and 'female' brain was no different, in that they all had the same parts in about the same sizes in the same locations. Of course the same could be said about male and female bodies. They even say that it says nothing about the function of the brain.

    And why shouldn't I believe some brain researchers when they tell me something that contradicts a lifetime of experience - not just my own, but that of virtually everyone I've ever known? Look to this study to be heavily cited in the near future.

    Replies: @The most deplorable one, @TheJester

    Yes, the article had a political (SJW) agenda. As I recall, the article said that male and female brains were on a continuum, by which I assume they meant place on a continuum was meaningless. This is the same argument for declaring there is no such thing as race.

    If we take this argument seriously, we can also argue that there are no such things as light and dark, hard and soft, hot and cold, babies and old folks, visible light and x-rays, water and ice, vacuums and solids, specific colors, etc. … because they exist on continuums. The point is, place on a continuum does matter. “Place” and the consequences of something having a “place” on a continuum are definable and observable.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @William Badwhite
    @TheJester

    "The existence of dusk and dawn does not disprove the existence of night and day".

    - Some guy, I think maybe Churchill.

  • Any sensible person viewing today’s identity-based, tribe-like political activism (think recent incidents at the University of Missouri and Yale among countless others) would conclude that these antics are stupid, foolish, counter-productive, and otherwise ill-conceived or, as the Marxists would say, infantile leftist. Hard to separate reality from what appears in the satirical Onion. Why, for...
  • @Michelle
    Unlike most of the columnists here, I see that you totally understand Black people, unlike Steve Sailer, who has never actually met a Black person. This article is the most realistic explanation for what is occurring on campuses across the country that I have read so far. Often what passes for knowledge of Black peoples' behavior/pathologies is guesswork. This column exemplifies awareness of the realities of Black students' struggles and experiences. As per usual, white people are destroying Black people with their desire to do good. Like my friend once said, "Leave the Black man alone!" White People really do contribute to the destruction of the Black race and it is because of the white race's desire to "help" others. A worthy goal, but ultimately destructive. Blacks are right to be suspicious of whites, but for the wrong reasons. "Beware of those bearing gifts!"

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond, @MarkinLA

    White People really do contribute to the destruction of the Black [sic] race and it is because of the white race’s desire to “help” others. A worthy goal, but ultimately destructive.

    The psychological solution to the enigma of the harmfulness of much “altruism” is that the desire to appear to help predominates over the desire to help. [Otherwise, bleeding-heart liberals would learn from their experience.]

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Stephen R. Diamond


    The psychological solution to the enigma of the harmfulness of much “altruism” is that the desire to appear to help predominates over the desire to help.
     
    Something about teaching a pig to sing…
    , @iffen
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    the desire to appear to help predominates over the desire to help

    This is doubtful. Appearances motivate a lot of people, but anybody can see that some of the most sincere do-gooders are barely, if that, able to take care of themselves.

  • From the NYT: French Regional Vote: National Front Dominates First Round By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS DEC. 6, 2015, 5:15 P.M. E.S.T. PARIS — France's far right National Front won more support than any other party in the first round of regional elections Sunday, according to polling agency projections, in a new boost for Marine Le...
  • @Wilkey
    @Former Darfur

    It seems to me that French Republicans = American Republicans = British Tories. They are all solidly in the back pockets of the business lobby. Their M.O. is to run as conservatives but do little or nothing to push back against the Left. David Cameron's party won a rollicking victory this year and the end result seems to be little or no movement on immigration, following a year in which Britain had record immigration (636,000 immigrants, iirc).

    If Sarkozy wins, it seems all too likely he'll be as diligent as George W. Bush and David Cameron in securing France's borders.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @dfordoom, @CJ

    David Cameron’s party won a rollicking victory this year

    His party got 36.9% of the vote. When 63.1% of the voters vote against you you’re not exactly a popular choice.

  • Assume that the hawks get their way -- that the United States does whatever it takes militarily to confront and destroy ISIS. Then what? Answering that question requires taking seriously the outcomes of other recent U.S. interventions in the Greater Middle East. In 1991, when the first President Bush ejected Saddam Hussein’s army from Kuwait,...
  • What Bacevich does not mention is that Eliot A. Cohen is advocating an endless war for the benefit of Israel, not for “Western civilization”.

    Not surprising that Cohen, co-founder of PNAC, colleague of Wolfowitz and Perle, and denier of Israel Lobby influence (he accused M. & W. of anti-Semitism for their expose), wants US troops permanently stationed in the MENA. Americans must recognize what a liability Zionist Israel is to US integrity, economy, and security.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    @RobinG

    @RobinF - aye, and there's the rub: we must ask why Bacevich chose not to mention the bleeding obvious - that US sacrifices in the ME are largely driven by the security interests of a foreign invader clique who inserted themselves into the region at the end of WWII, and who need political and diplomatic cover for their ethnic cleansing.

    And as for Cohen being a 'pre-eminent military thinker' - don't make me gag. Anybody who has not had a serious head injury can see that modern militaries have no chance of victory in foreign, hostile terrain against 4G forces: there is simply no way to win short of actually committing genocide and killing everyone. Any 'thinker' worth the name should open with that, and see any large-scale effort as more futile than that undertaken by Varus, Crassus, or the US in Viet Nam (and likely to end in the same manner).

    In furtherance of the security aims of the country to which Cohen owes first allegiance (hint: that's not the US), he is advocating that the US take the same path as the country that gave Cohen and his ilk the perpetual 'get out of jail free' card. You know, the dudes with the slick black uniforms and skulls on their officers' hats: police state at home, merciless toward the enemy, 10-to-1 execution policy against insurgent movements.

    What's not to like about that, as a prospect? So long as your actual objectives are the safety and security of a bunch of parvenu Eurotrash (and their anchor babies) in Palestine, what happens to US society only matters to the extent that it affects life in the settlements.

    , @Quercusalba
    @RobinG

    I agree and would add that Cohen pushes for a war which would fulfill the territorial ambitions of Israel without that nation shedding one drop of its blood.

  • From the New York Daily News: Stasi: San Bernardino killers were radical, ISIS-loving monsters — but one of their victims was just as bigoted NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Saturday, December 5, 2015, 7:57 PM by Linda Stasi They were two hate-filled, bigoted municipal employees interacting in one department. Now 13 innocent people are dead in...
  • @Balaji
    One way to understand the liberal ideology of Whites like Linda Stasi is as a branch of Christianity. Stasi labors under the original sin of “White Privilege” from which she feels can be unburdened only by her faith in “Social Justice”. It is not that she hates the poor Nicholas Thalasinos. It is his sin of liking Ann Coulter that Stasi hates. Thought can be sinful for liberals just as for Christians. Thalasinos too could have been redeemed if he had become a liberal. “Hate the sin, love the sinner”.

    Perhaps Linda Stasi has read Ann Coulter and even, heaven forbid, Steve Sailer, and found herself drawn to their heretical ideas. It could be that it is the fear for her own soul that causes Stasi to denounce Nicholas Thalasinsos so vehemently.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    One way to understand the liberal ideology of Whites like Linda Stasi is as a branch of Christianity.

    Social Justice is essentially a Christian heresy. It’s Christianity without the God stuff and the Jesus stuff (a bit like the Church of England).

    • Replies: @Harold
    @dfordoom

    Christianity as interpreted and practiced by Europeans and Social Justice resemble each other because they are both, in part, expressions of innate European predilections.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  • From the NYT: French Regional Vote: National Front Dominates First Round By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS DEC. 6, 2015, 5:15 P.M. E.S.T. PARIS — France's far right National Front won more support than any other party in the first round of regional elections Sunday, according to polling agency projections, in a new boost for Marine Le...
  • @PhysicistDave
    Left and Right will work together to repress the National Front: I'd be that next week only Marine and her niece win.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Left and Right will work together to repress the National Front: I’d be that next week only Marine and her niece win.

    I’d be surprised if the FN wins any regions at all. I’d love to see them win them half a dozen but it’s not going to happen.

  • From the New York Daily News: Stasi: San Bernardino killers were radical, ISIS-loving monsters — but one of their victims was just as bigoted NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Saturday, December 5, 2015, 7:57 PM by Linda Stasi They were two hate-filled, bigoted municipal employees interacting in one department. Now 13 innocent people are dead in...
  • @Harold
    @dfordoom

    Christianity as interpreted and practiced by Europeans and Social Justice resemble each other because they are both, in part, expressions of innate European predilections.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Christianity as interpreted and practiced by Europeans and Social Justice resemble each other because they are both, in part, expressions of innate European predilections.

    That could well be true. It would be interesting to know if any HBDers have done any work on that subject. Did Christianity mould European civilisation or was it the other way around?

    Of course it would be even more interesting to know where such innate European predilections came from. Were they there from the beginning or did they arrive in one of the many waves of immigration? Are these predilections stronger in northern Europeans than southern Europeans? Is there a genetic reason for the relative failure of the Reformation in southern Europe?

    Is Social Justice more closely related to Protestantism than Catholicism? Is this due to the nature of Protestantism or is it due to different genetics in the Protestant parts of Europe?

    Do eastern Europeans share these predilections? Do slavic peoples share them?

    • Replies: @Harold
    @dfordoom

    All interesting questions.

    HBDChick’s work is related to the subject. Part of her thesis is that the Church banned cousin marriage, resulting in a society without a clan based structure, this in turn selected for different personality types than otherwise would have been selected for.

    Then there is the question of why the Church was able to make their ban stick.

    Kevin MacDonald has some hypotheses regarding egalitarianism and the hunter gatherer past, specifically of Northern Europeans. As does Curt Doolittle, I believe. I haven’t looked much into these.


    Do eastern Europeans share these predilections? Do slavic peoples share them?
     
    This is related to the Hajnal line which HBDChick has written much about.

    In general, I think some people put too much emphasis on ideas. Ideas are only successful if the soil in which they are planted is suited to them. The scientific revolution wasn’t due to the mere idea of empiricsim. Alhazen outlined the scientific method without inducing a scientific revolution; the seed was there but the ground was dry.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  • @Harold
    @dfordoom

    All interesting questions.

    HBDChick’s work is related to the subject. Part of her thesis is that the Church banned cousin marriage, resulting in a society without a clan based structure, this in turn selected for different personality types than otherwise would have been selected for.

    Then there is the question of why the Church was able to make their ban stick.

    Kevin MacDonald has some hypotheses regarding egalitarianism and the hunter gatherer past, specifically of Northern Europeans. As does Curt Doolittle, I believe. I haven’t looked much into these.


    Do eastern Europeans share these predilections? Do slavic peoples share them?
     
    This is related to the Hajnal line which HBDChick has written much about.

    In general, I think some people put too much emphasis on ideas. Ideas are only successful if the soil in which they are planted is suited to them. The scientific revolution wasn’t due to the mere idea of empiricsim. Alhazen outlined the scientific method without inducing a scientific revolution; the seed was there but the ground was dry.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    In general, I think some people put too much emphasis on ideas. Ideas are only successful if the soil in which they are planted is suited to them.

    That would certainly explain a lot.

    The thought that depresses me is that some of the very genetic factors that made European civilisation so successful are the very factors that may doom that civilisation. Which means that avoiding that doom may be difficult if not impossible.

  • From the NYT: Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. Updated, 10:42 p.m. | Donald J. Trump called on Monday for the United States to bar all Muslims from entering the country until the nation’s leaders can “figure out what is going on” after the terrorist attacks in San Bernardino, Calif., an extraordinary...
  • @Anonymous
    @anony-mouse

    "A better comparison would be the policy on Communists, which was a ban and was worldwide."

    I read a comment made by someone elsewhere that Islam is not only a religion but also a set of political beliefs (I think those were the words he used), so the U.S. could have a moratorium on Muslim immigrants based on their political beliefs, rather than their religious ones.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I read a comment made by someone elsewhere that Islam is not only a religion but also a set of political beliefs (I think those were the words he used), so the U.S. could have a moratorium on Muslim immigrants based on their political beliefs, rather than their religious ones.

    Denying entry based on political beliefs would be a very interesting precedent. It would make it possible to deny entry to someone who held dangerous extremist beliefs – for example climate change sceptics, anyone opposed to homosexual marriage, anyone who doesn’t believe Caitlyn Jenner is a real woman, anyone opposed to gun control. It’s an idea that would be massively popular with the Left.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @dfordoom

    The alien enemies act is still in force. Since words can mean anything yoiu want them to when used by the government - just define enemy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

  • In Sunday's first-round of regional elections in France, the clear and stunning winner was the National Front of Marine Le Pen. Her party rolled up 30 percent of the vote, and came in first in 6 of 13 regions. Marine herself won 40 percent of her northeast district. Despite tremendous and positive publicity from his...
  • @Thirdeye
    Marine Le Pen's rise is not that simple. The National Front became the default vote for those opposed to corporatist neoliberalism, including many with traditionally socialist sympathies, because of the sellout of Hollande's "Socialist" party and its embrace of EU neoliberalism. The National Front is also the party with the most benign stance towards Russia. The vacuum left by the collapse of the traditional Left in France has been filled, for the time being, by the National Front. If the National Front moves France away from the EU-Atlantic neoliberal empire, is that a move to the right or to the left?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The vacuum left by the collapse of the traditional Left in France has been filled, for the time being, by the National Front.

    Yep. The rise in nationalism in Europe is almost entirely the rise of nationalist parties of the Left, like the FN.

    Mind you, 30% of the vote is a very very poor result for the FN. They’ll be lucky to win two of the 13 regions.

  • Assume that the hawks get their way -- that the United States does whatever it takes militarily to confront and destroy ISIS. Then what? Answering that question requires taking seriously the outcomes of other recent U.S. interventions in the Greater Middle East. In 1991, when the first President Bush ejected Saddam Hussein’s army from Kuwait,...
  • @Jim Christian
    @Art

    Those awful Jews. I swear, those Jews, they're raining down from the light fixtures like water over the falls at Niagara. Damn! All that trouble they cause wanting to exist. Such troublemakers.

    But 3 billion Muslims, no trouble at all...

    Replies: @Unapologetic White Man, @dfordoom

    All that trouble they cause wanting to exist.

    Wanting to exist is fine. Israel does not want to exist. It wants to conquer. Well actually it wants the US to do its conquering for it.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @dfordoom

    Conquer who? And why? They haven't the population to fill those sands. What surrounds Israel that they could possibly want? The populations of every neighboring country want to kill every last Jew. Those populations are inbred, incapable of modern education, saddled with below-retarded IQ and hence, with violent natures have no ability to think long term. They don't invent, create, build, nor manufacture, they only are capable of consuming what the West creates. The Arabs are a culture without redemption and an extremely primitive and murderous one at that.

    The only taste of modern life in those cultures is brought by outsiders and only because of oil. And look at what that oil brought to Saudi, to Kuwait and the rest. Little prosperity to the average Arab and a hedonistic, wasteful lifestyle to the Kings and Princes. What that surrounds Israel is there to conquer?

    So, they protect their borders and have turned their country into an oasis of agriculture, science and civility. The world wanted a collection point, if you will, for Jews after WW2. Lo and behold, in fewer than forty years, they created a miracle in the sand. And now they're hated for their own prosperity and for protecting themselves, even by Jews in this country, the U.S. that is.

    Whatever you think, Dfordoom, you cannot deny their accomplishment, even if you hate them.

    Replies: @SolontoCroesus, @RobinG

  • From my new column in Taki's Magazine: Read the whole thing there.
  • Marine Le Pen’s National Front came in first with 28 percent of the vote nationally.

    Which really is a dismal result. This election may well be the end of the line for the FN. Le Pen has zero chance of winning the presidential election.

    The FN is in the same position as UKIP in Britain – their electoral strategy has been a spectacular failure. They are going to have to reinvent themselves in a major way.

    • Replies: @5371
    @dfordoom

    An utterly bizarre comment. First place is never a dismal result. UKIP, now they really have been a disappointment. Serves Nige Farage right for (among other things) being so craven as to denounce the FN as "anti-semitic".

    Replies: @dfordoom

  • Recent troubles at Yale, Missouri, and other campuses have made me think about how the academic culture has changed – much for the worse I believe. But a former colleague (who recently passed) used to tell me how much better the academic world seemed to him now than when he was a graduate student circa...
  • @Thirdeye
    I think Gottfried is an asshole, but still glad to see him make the distinction between the traditional Marxist Left and the freakshow that is the identity politics based New Left. When I'm in the mood to entertain a conspiracy theory, I wonder if the rise of the New Left didn't arise from an elite project to channel social activism in a direction that would divide the working class and not threaten the elite. Leveraging identity politics is one strategy people have for attaining elite status. After George McGovern was propelled to the Democratic nomination, largely by adoption of a New Left program and deft use of some decidedly undemocratic party rules, his Youth for McGovern director, Gary Hart, stated "Our whole strategy was to co-opt the Left." The brief spasm of ultraleft New Leftism in the late 1960s notwithstanding, the co-optation seems to have been well underway before 1972. Of course, more than two thirds of the voters in the 1972 election were not impressed with the New Left program. Thereafter, the New Left has set to attain what they want through the courts, bureaucracies, academia, and influence on the ruling elite. They seem to realize that they will never have broad appeal.

    Whatever else may be said about Marxists, their role in building the labor movement made it powerful enough to force social policy in a direction that allowed the working class to thrive. By comparison, the New Left has accomplished only divisiveness while failing to make any impact on social policy that positively impacts the well-being of the vast majority of the American people. The New Left's targets are more often the male working class than they are the elite, which shows the milieu that identity politics appeals to.

    Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom

    When I’m in the mood to entertain a conspiracy theory, I wonder if the rise of the New Left didn’t arise from an elite project to channel social activism in a direction that would divide the working class and not threaten the elite.

    I’d say that’s more of an established fact than a conspiracy theory!

    • Agree: Bill
  • @Maj. Kong
    I respectfully disagree with Gottfried's conclusion that Cultural Marxism isn't actually Marxist anymore. To my understanding, the contrarian view was from William Lind, who linked Gramsci to the Frankfurt School.

    Marx was an economic determinist, who thought we would have world revolution when the capitalists ran out of new markets and a need for labor. The more orthodox Marxists will claim the latter has yet to occur, and that communism could happen if robotics displaces a vast majority of workers.

    The left in 1914 was shocked that the working classes did not rise up in revolution against the war, and instead backed nationalist passions. To an even bigger shock, the revolution occured in the underdeveloped Russia, rather than Germany. In the same Germany, the communists were crushed by those fearing an attack on their nation and Christianity. Similar events occurred in Hungary.

    Marx thought culture was the superstructure of society, and had no essence. What the cultural Marxists theorized, was that it creates "false consciousness" that makes you think you are not an oppressed proletariat. So, if you remove Christianity and nations, class consciousness will occur and world revolution will follow.

    While it may be true that the Frankfrut School ideas have become so common as to be not even recognized as to their origins, one only needs to look at the Occupy Wall Street movement, and Black Lives Matter, to see that the real goal of world revolution still remains. Both movements were clearly inspired by the cultural marxism of academia, and funded by George Soros who whatever many billions he made in finance is an admirer of Herbert Marcuse. His foundation, the Open Society, claims inspiration from Karl Popper, but a cursory look reveals the influence of the ideas of "repressive tolerance".

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Thirdeye, @nickels, @Dr. X

    I respectfully disagree with Gottfried’s conclusion that Cultural Marxism isn’t actually Marxist anymore.

    When it’s funded by billionaires you have to question just how marxist it is.

    And neocons push cultural marxism and I don’t think neocons are aiming at the establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat. They’re aiming at the establishment of the dictatorship of the rich.

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @dfordoom

    The communist society may not be technologically possible, but it isn't going to stop people from trying. It's quite possible that George Soros really believes that socialism will actually benefit the people, and let's not forget the other billionaires who have expressed desires for population reductions. The latter is a key attack against any free market pretense.

    The neoconservatives originated back in the 1940s as Trotskyists that later became funded by the CIA. Today there just a nepotistic job network that opportunistically backs either cultural side as long it will be allied to militarism. The 2000s neocon desire for a democratized Middle East, did aim to replace feudal-like dictatorships, presumably so they could advance to industrialism, the next stage of Marx's development. From a conspiratorial viewpoint, wasting large amounts of borrowed money likely exacerbated inequality in the US, causing the country to tip further toward revolution. But, I'm wary about Grand Unified Theories of politics.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom

    , @guest
    @dfordoom

    Marx himself was funded, not by billionaires maybe, but by bourgeois wealth. Engels supported him by getting a position in the textile industry through family connections.

  • From Bloomberg: Which don't compete with each other, either for customers or employees. Life is go
  • @SPMoore8
    @Romanian

    Yeah, I notice that Caitlyn Jenner was also on the "Short List" for Person of the Year.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Yeah, I notice that Caitlyn Jenner was also on the “Short List” for Person of the Year.

    The fact that she wasn’t chosen just shows how much systemic transphobia we still have to struggle against. Why does Time magazine hate the trans community?

  • Recent troubles at Yale, Missouri, and other campuses have made me think about how the academic culture has changed – much for the worse I believe. But a former colleague (who recently passed) used to tell me how much better the academic world seemed to him now than when he was a graduate student circa...
  • @Maj. Kong
    @dfordoom

    The communist society may not be technologically possible, but it isn't going to stop people from trying. It's quite possible that George Soros really believes that socialism will actually benefit the people, and let's not forget the other billionaires who have expressed desires for population reductions. The latter is a key attack against any free market pretense.

    The neoconservatives originated back in the 1940s as Trotskyists that later became funded by the CIA. Today there just a nepotistic job network that opportunistically backs either cultural side as long it will be allied to militarism. The 2000s neocon desire for a democratized Middle East, did aim to replace feudal-like dictatorships, presumably so they could advance to industrialism, the next stage of Marx's development. From a conspiratorial viewpoint, wasting large amounts of borrowed money likely exacerbated inequality in the US, causing the country to tip further toward revolution. But, I'm wary about Grand Unified Theories of politics.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom

    It’s quite possible that George Soros really believes that socialism will actually benefit the people

    I wonder what exactly George Soros’s vision of socialism looks like. I’m sure he has a vision but I doubt if it’s anything that even vaguely resembles socialism. His utopia will certainly benefit some people, especially George Soros.

    Perhaps in the case of billionaire “socialists” like Soros it’s simply a form of megalomania. When you have billions of dollars money is no longer a motivating force, but power certainly is. Otherwise what’s the point in being a billionaire? What’s another billion dollars to someone like Soros? It’s irrelevant. But being a king sounds like a lot of fun. Being a kingmaker could be even more fun. To such people any political ideology will do if it brings power and influence. And if you’re a megalomaniac you might honestly believe that the world would be a much better place if only you were the person running it.

  • @Maj. Kong
    @dfordoom

    The communist society may not be technologically possible, but it isn't going to stop people from trying. It's quite possible that George Soros really believes that socialism will actually benefit the people, and let's not forget the other billionaires who have expressed desires for population reductions. The latter is a key attack against any free market pretense.

    The neoconservatives originated back in the 1940s as Trotskyists that later became funded by the CIA. Today there just a nepotistic job network that opportunistically backs either cultural side as long it will be allied to militarism. The 2000s neocon desire for a democratized Middle East, did aim to replace feudal-like dictatorships, presumably so they could advance to industrialism, the next stage of Marx's development. From a conspiratorial viewpoint, wasting large amounts of borrowed money likely exacerbated inequality in the US, causing the country to tip further toward revolution. But, I'm wary about Grand Unified Theories of politics.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @dfordoom

    The 2000s neocon desire for a democratized Middle East, did aim to replace feudal-like dictatorships

    Has there ever been a greater delusion than the desire for a democratized Middle East?

    • Replies: @Maj. Kong
    @dfordoom

    It's hard to remember the insane levels of optimism in the 90s, what with Fukuyama speaking about the "end of history". Oil prices were low, and the liberal Khatami was President of Iran. When the terrorists conducted a massacre in Luxor, Egypt, their society turned against them and many Islamists were snitched out. 9/11 did more than commit the US to war, it reinvigorated a hitherto declining Islamist movement.

    I don't think it was unfair for those not well informed about the region's peculiarities, to think that it would follow the "modernization theory" that East Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe had. Now, that isn't the most popular concept for those who think neoconservatism is just a veil for a demonic Israeli land grab, but communism had collapsed and crime was dropping in New York City. For the Commentary gang, they were on a winning streak.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  • You don't get a reaction of shock and disgust when you say something crazy, you get it when you say something pretty sensible that everybody has been supposed to ignore precisely because the rational arguments against your idea aren't as strong as the emotions against it. Besides Trump's call for a temporary moratorium on Muslim...
  • @Anonymous
    So now it makes sense to ban Pakistani surgeons, Iranian Fields Medalist mathematicians (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_Mirzakhani), and holders of good American PhDs in the sciences?

    A blanket religion-based ban is crazy from a purely selfish perspective.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @anon, @BurplesonAFB, @Simon in London

    A blanket religion-based ban is crazy from a purely selfish perspective.

    Once you accept religion-based bans then there’s no reason why a future Administration couldn’t use them to exclude dangerous religious extremists – like Christians for instance.

    There have been plenty of religion-based bans in the past, most of them aimed at Jews. I wonder how enthusiastic America’s Jews will be about the revival of such a concept?

    The Spanish tried the idea quite some time ago. They set up an organisation to enforce it. It was called the Spanish Inquisition. You might not think that’s likely to happen again, but then no-one expects the Spanish Inquisition.

    • Replies: @TangoMan
    @dfordoom

    Define what is meant by religion in a religion based ban? We banned communists because communists had ideas about how government and society should be run, just as Islam does.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @anon, @dfordoom

  • Jon Stewart's replacement Trevor Noah says:
  • @Harold

    But now, Donald Trump, the frontrunner of a major political party, has basically given them permission to shed their shame and say these things out loud.
     
    Another example of how the left are now the conservatives.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @boogerbently

    Another example of how the left are now the conservatives.

    The leftists are now the Establishment Pigs.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @dfordoom


    The leftists are now the Establishment Pigs.

     

    You owe our porcine friends an apology. What did they ever do to merit such a slur?

    Replies: @dfordoom

  • You don't get a reaction of shock and disgust when you say something crazy, you get it when you say something pretty sensible that everybody has been supposed to ignore precisely because the rational arguments against your idea aren't as strong as the emotions against it. Besides Trump's call for a temporary moratorium on Muslim...
  • @TangoMan
    @dfordoom

    Define what is meant by religion in a religion based ban? We banned communists because communists had ideas about how government and society should be run, just as Islam does.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @anon, @dfordoom

    Define what is meant by religion in a religion based ban?

    Whatever religion the government of the day happens to dislike. Today it might be Islam. Tomorrow it might be Christians. Or the wrong sort of Christians. The ones who take Christianity seriously.

    Just as an ideology-based ban is a ban on whichever ideology the government of the day happens to dislike. Yesterday it was communism. Tomorrow it might be conservatives. One thing you can be certain of – whichever beliefs the government doesn’t like will be labelled as dangerous and extremist.

    The trouble with these kinds of bans is that the people who support them never stop to consider that tomorrow the very same ban might be used against them.

    For a nation supposedly based on ideas like freedom of speech and freedom of religion such bans are a fairly bizarre idea, as well as being a very bad idea.

    Limiting immigration is fine. Just reduce the overall numbers. Stop immigration altogether if you want to. But banning people based on the fact that you disapprove of them is the sort of thing that can backfire in a very nasty fashion.

  • @TangoMan
    @dfordoom

    Define what is meant by religion in a religion based ban? We banned communists because communists had ideas about how government and society should be run, just as Islam does.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @anon, @dfordoom

    Define what is meant by religion in a religion based ban?

    Apart from my other misgivings about this idea it is pretty much unworkable. How do you define a person’s religion? Is a lapsed Catholic still a Catholic? Does an Episcopalian who has a very vague belief in God but never goes to church count as an Episcopalian, or maybe a semi-Episcopalian ? Is an atheist Jew a Jew? Is a non-practising Muslim a Muslim? What about messianic Jews – are they Jews or Christians? Are Unitarians Christians? Most Christians would consider them to be heretics. Do heretics count?

    You really are going to need to revive the Spanish Inquisition to sort those questions out.

    • Replies: @Ed
    @dfordoom

    In the Middle East religion is intimately tied with clan, surname & place of origin. It would be relatively easy to prove. When you enroll a kid at Catholic School they don't go on your word that the kid is a Catholic.

    There are so many ways to prove ones religion baptism records, family photos etc.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @dfordoom

  • Jon Stewart's replacement Trevor Noah says:
  • Trump still hasn’t bashed the Jews and homos.

    He goes for easy targets: Muslims, Mexicans, Mandarins.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @e
    @Anon

    Judging from the sheer volume of the attacks and from whom they are coming, I'd say his targets are YUGE. It takes a strong guy to not give a damn about pleasing those people.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @Anonym
    @Anon

    And that makes perfect sense. Homosexuals have been around since Sodom and Gomorrah. They are politically powerful. Same with Jews. And Jews have been in the Anglosphere for 1000 years now, I think? We can have a perfectly great Eurosphere as it was pre-1965, with the Jews and the homosexuals.

    Replies: @Hunsdon, @Anonymous

  • @Reg Cæsar
    @dfordoom


    The leftists are now the Establishment Pigs.

     

    You owe our porcine friends an apology. What did they ever do to merit such a slur?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    You owe our porcine friends an apology. What did they ever do to merit such a slur?

    I humbly apologise for my outburst of porcinophobia. I feel so ashamed.

    #PigLivesMatter

  • From my column in this week in Taki's Magazine: In last Sunday's first round elections, the National Front came in first in six of thirteen regions. That includes the regions won by the three main celebrity candidates of the National Front: Marine Le Pen, her 34-year-old strategist Floriant Philippot, and her 25-year-old niece and potential...
  • @anon
    apparently a female Finnish cop got raped at a refugee center and the Finnish po-leece are covering it up - so crazy

    speaking of Trump-related issues - isn't it crazy that all these GOP politicians support pre-emptively bombing the **** out of any country deemed a threat but stopping people immigrating is the sin of all sins.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    isn’t it crazy that all these GOP politicians support pre-emptively bombing the **** out of any country deemed a threat but stopping people immigrating is the sin of all sins.

    It’s a symptom of the deep sickness of western civilisation. The hypocrisy and madness and indeed out-and-out evil run deep on both ends of the political spectrum.

    Hurting people’s feelings is bad and wrong and may be a crime, but killing women and children is A-OK.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
  • You don't get a reaction of shock and disgust when you say something crazy, you get it when you say something pretty sensible that everybody has been supposed to ignore precisely because the rational arguments against your idea aren't as strong as the emotions against it. Besides Trump's call for a temporary moratorium on Muslim...
  • @Ed
    @dfordoom

    In the Middle East religion is intimately tied with clan, surname & place of origin. It would be relatively easy to prove. When you enroll a kid at Catholic School they don't go on your word that the kid is a Catholic.

    There are so many ways to prove ones religion baptism records, family photos etc.

    Replies: @Steve Sailer, @dfordoom

    There are so many ways to prove ones religion baptism records, family photos etc.

    You could easily dig up my baptism records and discover that I’m a Presbyterian. Except that I haven’t been inside a Presbyterian church since. I don’t have the slightest idea what the Presbyterian faith consists of. So records like that are worthless.

    Unless you’re suggesting that once a Presbyterian, always a Presbyterian. “Are you now, or have you ever been, a Presbyterian?” Perhaps you could track down some of my old school chums and ask them if they ever observed any suspiciously Presbyterian-like behaviour on my part. Or whether I ever belonged to any organisations that were known Presbyterian fronts.

    To confuse matters further I attended a Methodist Sunday School and I briefly belonged to a Baptist youth group as a kid. And I attended an Anglican church for a while. So am I a Presbyterian, a Methodist, a Baptist or an Anglican?

    When you enroll a kid at Catholic School they don’t go on your word that the kid is a Catholic.

    My mother attended a Catholic school. She never was a Catholic, her parents weren’t Catholics, she never pretended to be a Catholic. As a non-Catholic she was never required to go to Mass. So even in the 1930s you didn’t need to be a Catholic to go to a Catholic school. But she could still have been under suspicion as a secret Papist agent.

    The whole idea of religious tests for entering a country seems to me to be silly, unworkable and the sort of thing you might have expected of the old Soviet Union. Or the sort of thing that might
    strike an ambitious politician as a vote-grabber, knowing that such an idea could never actually be implemented.

    • Replies: @Brutusale
    @dfordoom

    There were a couple dozen non-Catholics at my Catholic high school. Of course, it was when busing was raging in Boston, and applications between my sophomore and juniors years doubled.

    They were exempt from attending Mass, getting a study hall instead.

  • Recent troubles at Yale, Missouri, and other campuses have made me think about how the academic culture has changed – much for the worse I believe. But a former colleague (who recently passed) used to tell me how much better the academic world seemed to him now than when he was a graduate student circa...
  • @Maj. Kong
    @dfordoom

    It's hard to remember the insane levels of optimism in the 90s, what with Fukuyama speaking about the "end of history". Oil prices were low, and the liberal Khatami was President of Iran. When the terrorists conducted a massacre in Luxor, Egypt, their society turned against them and many Islamists were snitched out. 9/11 did more than commit the US to war, it reinvigorated a hitherto declining Islamist movement.

    I don't think it was unfair for those not well informed about the region's peculiarities, to think that it would follow the "modernization theory" that East Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe had. Now, that isn't the most popular concept for those who think neoconservatism is just a veil for a demonic Israeli land grab, but communism had collapsed and crime was dropping in New York City. For the Commentary gang, they were on a winning streak.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I don’t think it was unfair for those not well informed about the region’s peculiarities, to think that it would follow the “modernization theory” that East Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe had.

    That is kind of true, although foreign policy is something that in an ideal world would be conducted by people who made it their business to inform themselves about regions in which they intend to interfere.

    Of course in an ideal world countries like the US would avoid interfering altogether in regions in which they have no business interfering. Well-intentioned foreign policies generally do a great deal more harm than cynical opportunistic foreign policies.

  • From my new column in Taki's Magazine: Read the whole thing there.
  • @5371
    @dfordoom

    An utterly bizarre comment. First place is never a dismal result. UKIP, now they really have been a disappointment. Serves Nige Farage right for (among other things) being so craven as to denounce the FN as "anti-semitic".

    Replies: @dfordoom

    First place is never a dismal result.

    In the light of recent events in France 72% of French voters are still happy to vote for business as usual. Full speed ahead, damn the icebergs. Just rearrange the deck chairs a bit. The one party that is suggesting that changing course might be a good idea can only get just over a quarter of the vote.

    Given the French electoral system and the determination of the established parties to combine against her even if Le Pen could get 40% of the vote nationwide in the presidential election she’d be unlikely to win in the second round. This result suggests that the FN is nowhere near having the slightest chance of real power. I think it’s fair to say that 28% is a very disappointing result.

    • Replies: @5371
    @dfordoom

    It's a great result. It makes them too big to ban, and it offers the clear prospect of replacing one of the main parties for good.

  • Recent troubles at Yale, Missouri, and other campuses have made me think about how the academic culture has changed – much for the worse I believe. But a former colleague (who recently passed) used to tell me how much better the academic world seemed to him now than when he was a graduate student circa...
  • @dcite
    @guest


    I don’t really understand why such a thing as the Vietnam War needed to be protested at universities, either, but there is a close relationship between school and state, of c
     
    How old are you? There was a draft on. They drafted college age men. After the lottery, 1968 05 69, they were even drafting college students. There was a damn good reason for protests on campus and there were serious business. People told me of how the Univ. of Maryland was in lockdown and helicopters were circling, after a demonstration about 1969.

    Replies: @guest, @dfordoom

    There was a draft on. They drafted college age men. After the lottery, 1968 05 69, they were even drafting college students. There was a damn good reason for protests on campus and there were serious business.

    Yep. The antiwar movement was not driven by opposition to the war – it was driven by privileged young people who would have been quite happy about the war as long as they didn’t have to fight it. Now that there’s no draft there’s no antiwar movement.

    • Replies: @Thirdeye
    @dfordoom

    The more privileged young males didn't have to worry about getting drafted. Al Gore was the only baby boom vice presidential or presidential candidate who served in the military (and no, the country club National Guard assignments of Dan Quayle and George W. Bush don't count). Dick Cheney and Bill Clinton used their connections. Mitt Romney hid out in France.

    You are apparently are unaware of the rather large antiwar demonstrations in the runup to the invasion of Iraq.

  • @blankmisgivings
    Just on the topic (perhaps a tedious one for some) of 'the 'cultural Marxism' meme which usually involves some reference to the 'Frankfurt School'. My impression from within academic social science, is that the Frankfurt School are not that popular with the politically correct left - certainly mentioning Adorno to a politically correct 'leftist' is like a red flag to a castrated bull. They hate him as a cultural elitist and defender of western civilization (and he was a defender of high civilization, for all his rhetoric about its implicit violence). The intellectual roots of PC stuff come from watered down Derrida, French feminists and their prudish American imitators and Foucault, not the Frankfurt School.

    I also think it's a silly meme to suppose that the 'end goal' of PC is actual economic equality. In education and government the end goal of PC is the endless expansion of over paid administrative positions devoted to PC in its various forms. It's as simple as that. Also, any history of PC (I know of no scholarly ones - surprise surprise!) would have to look at the role of corporate human resources and 'free market' capitalism's need for lowest common denominator 'tolerance' as a key ingredient in its genesis - not just the over hyped Saul Alinsky's.

    Replies: @5371, @dfordoom

    I also think it’s a silly meme to suppose that the ‘end goal’ of PC is actual economic equality.

    The ‘end goal’ of PC is more economic inequality. More wealth to the wealthy elites. More power to the powerful elites.

    It’s driven by hatred of ordinary people (especially the working class) and hatred of everything that ordinary people care about.

  • @epochehusserl
    @iffen

    Whats in it for the knowledgeable person of goodwill to do so? We live in a country thats bans iq tests, prohibits the usage of gold as money and focuses on transgender activism and gay wedding cakes. Even if you did have a decent platform the people would say what about transgender racism. Until people demand better leaders improvement is impossible. The equalist fantasies of the new left have to be discredited before we can even talk about anything else.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Even if you did have a decent platform the people would say what about transgender racism.

    If you had a decent platform the media would say what about transgender racism. Most people would go along with the media through fear.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
    @dfordoom

    Then the people at some level need to have the language and vocabulary and courage to denounce this sort of thing. It wouldnt be that hard to come up with a platform that would help the average person. A tax system that supports the small business and small organizations would help racial issues rather than having identity groups fighting over scraps in large organizations. The other thing that would help the average person would be to reform the financial world so that the government stops punishing savers. When we have negative interest rates there are going to be a lot of social problems. But this is not the kind of dialogue people demand. If people tolerate nonsense then they are to blame not the media.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  • @dcite
    @Montefrío

    Maybe I'm naïve, but that professor, whatever her persuasion, was way out of line. An essay of that nature would be graded on how well you presented your thoughts, not on the content, on which people have different ideas. Strange. She sounds like she had serious problems and maybe the school wanted to get rid of her anyway. I wonder what her background was to think that Jesus Christ, of all people, was the most evil in history. Why exactly?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I wonder what her background was to think that Jesus Christ, of all people, was the most evil in history. Why exactly?

    Because she’s a lesbian. Homosexuals know deep down that their lifestyle is unnatural, unhealthy and self-destructive. It leads to misery and ultimately a bitter lonely old age. Naturally they’re angry. Blaming homophobes is easier than blaming themselves.

  • Jon Stewart's replacement Trevor Noah says:
  • @Cwhatfuture
    It is not Trump. It is anonymous posting that has restored free speech. I am shocked the Left has not tried to ban it. And the posts that I see are savage against the PC enforcers and against the Trump deranged. The genii is out of the bottle.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    It is anonymous posting that has restored free speech. I am shocked the Left has not tried to ban it.

    Why do you think Facebook wants people to use their real names? Right from the start that was a useful way of keeping track of anyone who looked like straying off the reservation, and punishing them through public shaming if they did.

    Why do you think many newspapers now ban commenting on articles about “controversial” issues. Some have eliminated comments sections altogether.

    They’re already aware of the problem and they will act to ban it. They’ve just decided to do it gradually.

    • Replies: @Fredrik
    @dfordoom

    The elite finally found out that shaming the proles no longer works. It seems like too many people are only too happy to say what they really feel even showing their real names.

    The problem with this is that once enough people do so it's hard to prevent others from speaking up too and then...

    Replies: @dfordoom

  • @Fredrik
    @dfordoom

    The elite finally found out that shaming the proles no longer works. It seems like too many people are only too happy to say what they really feel even showing their real names.

    The problem with this is that once enough people do so it's hard to prevent others from speaking up too and then...

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The problem with this is that once enough people do so it’s hard to prevent others from speaking up too and then…

    That’s where re-education camps come in handy. If they don’t work there’s always the gulags.

  • Recent troubles at Yale, Missouri, and other campuses have made me think about how the academic culture has changed – much for the worse I believe. But a former colleague (who recently passed) used to tell me how much better the academic world seemed to him now than when he was a graduate student circa...
  • @Drapetomaniac
    So white males are going to get sodomized by a PC government?

    So what? Now they can show that they are even more dysfunctional than an abused housewife - they know in their hearts that government isn't evil and they can fix it.

    They just have to elect their own killer clown to office. And if that one doesn't end the abuse, the next one will. Or the next one. Or the next.

    'Cause they know that government is worth more than all the evil it does. Or at least that's what a small glob of neurons is telling them.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Now they can show that they are even more dysfunctional than an abused housewife – they know in their hearts that government isn’t evil and they can fix it.

    Spot on.

  • @epochehusserl
    @dfordoom

    Then the people at some level need to have the language and vocabulary and courage to denounce this sort of thing. It wouldnt be that hard to come up with a platform that would help the average person. A tax system that supports the small business and small organizations would help racial issues rather than having identity groups fighting over scraps in large organizations. The other thing that would help the average person would be to reform the financial world so that the government stops punishing savers. When we have negative interest rates there are going to be a lot of social problems. But this is not the kind of dialogue people demand. If people tolerate nonsense then they are to blame not the media.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    If people tolerate nonsense then they are to blame not the media.

    There is certainly something to that. The difficulty for the average person is – what can they do? They have been presented with few options. In the US they have a choice of only two political parties, both in practice more or less identical. Effectively there is no alternative. Not surprisingly many don’t vote at all, which to be honest is no worse than voting for either of the two parties.

    In Australia we have a choice of two major parties, both in practice more or less identical. You can vote for minor parties but there’s no point. Under our preferential voting system your vote still ends up going to one of the two major parties.

    In Britain people have a choice of two major parties, both in practice more or less identical. Under their first past the post voting system there is simply no point at all in voting for a minor party.

    In France with their voting system an alternative party like the FN will always inevitably be defeated in the second round of voting.

    In most western countries there is effectively one-party government. Democracy is an illusion. Most ordinary people are smart enough to figure this out but what can they do about it?

  • Calling for a moratorium on Muslim immigration "until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on," Donald Trump this week ignited a firestorm of historic proportions. As all the old hate words -- xenophobe, racist, bigot -- have lost their electric charge from overuse, and Trump was being called a fascist...
  • @NoseytheDuke
    Pat, I was under the impression that Saladin spared the Christians after conquering Jerusalem. Is that untrue? I thought it was the Crusaders who killed all.

    I don't think it's a great idea to have massive Muslim immigration to the West either, due to a reluctance to assimilate as well as those do from other backgrounds, but I really think it is "our" conduct in the ME that is driving this craziness. A million deaths in Iraq alone, goodness me, surely that is going to piss a few people off. We don't seem to care nearly as much for those people slaughtered in Gaza last year or the numerous years before that. Could this possibly be the root of the problem?

    We're surely told that it was Muslims who did 9/11 but the official narrative about that event has so many holes it its just not pausible at all and should be re-examined. Were the laws of physics suspended that morning and how did WTC 7 collapse into its footprint at near free-fall velocity? If not suspended, just how did that cunning OBL get inside those 3 buildings and plant explosives and precision detonators without alerting security?

    How did those sneaky Muslims get that nonsense story into the media and bury the inconvenient facts that had already surfaced? They were either very lucky or very well-connected to get the debris hauled away without a thorough investigation the way it happened. I could go on about glaring anomalies but… C'mon Pat, you are a very smart man and I know you care about the US but this article doesn't really help.

    I do appreciate Mr Unz for making this forum the way it is and for the many thoughtful, mostly civil, commenters on it

    Replies: @Priss Factor, @dfordoom

    but I really think it is “our” conduct in the ME that is driving this craziness. A million deaths in Iraq alone, goodness me, surely that is going to piss a few people off.

    It’s funny how killing millions of people from a particular group tends to annoy that group.

    Until the US started interfering in the Middle East Muslims had no dislike whatsoever for Americans.

    The US has certainly killed a lot more innocent civilians in the past hundred years than Muslims have. Ever hear of Operation Meetinghouse? The fire-bombing raid on Tokyo that killed at least 80,000 people, the vast majority of them innocent civilians. And that was the death toll from a single air raid. But they were Japanese so they were bad people. It’s OK to kill bad people. Even if they’re women and children. And the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children who died as the result of US-led sanctions – they must have been bad people too.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @dfordoom

    The fire-bombing raid on Tokyo that killed at least 80,000 people, the vast majority of them innocent civilians.

    Please stop with the whining nonsense about a declared war between industrial powers. The source of power for every army in the industrialized world is the civilians back home making the armaments and growing the food. The situation in Iraq was different we were not in a state of war with Iraq. Our conduct in the ME has been a problem but all the references to WWII are ridiculous.

    Replies: @David, @Bill Jones

  • @Rehmat
    Pat Buchanan is known Islamophobe and a bigot when it comes to Islamic history. But he was never hunted by the Organized Jewry - but did got fired from MSNBC in 2012 for criticizing Israel and Jewish Lobby in his book, ‘Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2015?‘.

    The Vatican and English kings created a dozen notorious Crusades against Muslim Palestine and Spain during which the Western ISIS didn't spared Muslims, Jews and even Christians. When they finally conquered Jerusalem, they killed entire population of the city - 65,000 Muslims, 5000 Jews and few hundred Christians hiding inside a church.

    In Spain, when these Christian barbarians ran over the last Moorish enclave in 1492, they killed five million Muslims and 170,000 Jews. Some historians have called the first "Jewish Holocaust".

    I'm sure if Buchanan had read Islamic history from some objective source - he would have found that in the early years, American administration sought Ottoman protection against the British empire in return for $70,000 per year "Dhimmi tax".

    Ironically, while the current western Christian politicians are demonizing Muslims and Islam for Jewish money, many Jew rabbi and historian claimed it's better to live under Muslim rule than a Christian.

    "I am a Jew of Islam because Judaism under the rule of the Crescent took a different course than that under the rule of the Cross. The Jews of Islam, although decreed by the Pact of Omar as dhimmis or second-class cirizen, never experienced the same level of hatred, anti-Semitism or persecution, which were their daily bread in Christendom. They were not demonized as god’s (Jesus) killers and did not have to defend their religion in public deputations. They were not expelled en-masse on religious grounds from a Muslim country as they were from England, France and Catholic Spain,” Rabbi Haim Ovadia, Kahal Joseph Congregation in Los Angeles, California, January, 2008.

    http://rehmat1.com/2010/01/20/gods-house-muslims-saved-jews-from-nazis/

    Replies: @random observer, @schmenz, @dfordoom, @Rurik, @MarkinLA, @Wyrd, @Unz Reader

    In Spain, when these Christian barbarians ran over the last Moorish enclave in 1492, they killed five million Muslims and 170,000 Jews. Some historians have called the first “Jewish Holocaust”.

    Those figures are certainly wildly exaggerated.

  • @Priss Factor
    This is where Trump really fails.

    He makes Muslims out to be bad guys and gals.

    Well, maybe Muslims are.

    But he doesn't ask WHY Muslims are so angry.

    Instead of calling for a moratorium on Muslim immigration,
    he should call for a moratorium on Western intervention in the Muslim world.

    He should talk about the destruction of Iraq, Liyba, and Syria. He has said that he opposed the Iraq War, but that is not enough.
    If memory serves me right, he was happy about the fall of Gaddafi.
    Well, how did that turn out for the Middle East.

    What I find most offensive about Western leaders who put on the 'we are so tolerant of Muslims' shtick is the fact that they fully supported the very Zionist-led policies that led to the wreckage of Iraq, Libya, and Syria.
    If they love the Muslim world so much and if they hope for more secularization of the region, why didn't they challenge the US-Zionist policy of destabilizing the entire region that led to the increase of crazy Jihadis? Why did they support the Zionist foreign policy that especially targeted secular regimes like in Iraq, Libya, and Syria?

    Trump calls for moratorium on INVITE, but he should really call a moratorium and discussion on the INVADE.

    Why did the West have to invade and mess things up so badly over there that drove so many Arabs/Muslims to want to flee the region?

    Obama and Hillary take no blame for Libya and Syria, but they pompously pose as 'compassionate friends of Arabs and Muslims'. Well, if they care so much, why did they turn entire nations into unlivable hellholes?

    The establishment politicos are putting Trump on the moral defensive for his remarks about Muslim refugees and immigrants.

    Trump should put the establishment figures on the moral defensive by making a big fuss about how Western elites carried out a foreign policy that destroyed the Muslim world and radicalized many Muslims there.

    Call for a moratorium and total investigation of US and Western foreign policy in the Middle East and North Africa.

    If the Establishment put Trump on the moral defensive for his saying NO to Muslim immigration, Trump should put them on the moral defensive for their policies that ended up killing so many Arabs and Muslims(as well as Kurds and Christian Arabs).

    But no one goes there because Western Foreign Policy in the region is really Zionist and Jewish.

    It's sickening to see Jews and their minions cold-heartedly and ruthlessly destroy the Middle East and ruin millions of lives OVER THERE but then pose as compassionate and welcoming people with open arms in the West.

    Thug there, Hug here.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Rurik, @dahoit

    Instead of calling for a moratorium on Muslim immigration,
    he should call for a moratorium on Western intervention in the Muslim world.

    How about the US returning to isolationism? Seriously. Isolationism was an extremely sound foreign policy.

    How large a military establishment does the US need? The US faces no credible military threat whatsoever. None.

    • Replies: @dahoit
    @dfordoom

    bingo.Yankee come home!But the zionists won't let US.Simple as that.
    In fact,there was absolutely no "clash of civilizations"until we started screwing with them,first with the insertion of Israel,and then our subsequent dictator of the month club for the inhabitants of the region.
    I keep saying to myself,boy these latest attacks in Paris and Cal sure seem made to order.Come to think of it,so was 9-11.

  • Assume that the hawks get their way -- that the United States does whatever it takes militarily to confront and destroy ISIS. Then what? Answering that question requires taking seriously the outcomes of other recent U.S. interventions in the Greater Middle East. In 1991, when the first President Bush ejected Saddam Hussein’s army from Kuwait,...
  • @SolontoCroesus
    on a related note:

    Some may be aware that the recent US Congress VISA bill includes restrictions on Iranian-Americans, and Iranians resident in any other nation impacted by the US legislation.

    Congress moved the bill under the hyped fear in the wake of the Paris and San Bernardino events, er, killings, er, terrur pogroms.

    SicSemperTyrannis just posted this item:

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2015/12/httpwwwbbccomnewsworld-middle-east-35048404.html#comment-6a00d8341c72e153ef01b7c7f7df4c970b

    someone just sent me this very interesting chart .
    "Chart by Radio Liberty (owned by US government) shows nationality of Isis fighters. Look

    carefully to see the No. from Iran:
    http://www.rferl.org/contentinfographics/foreign-fighters-syria-iraq-is-isis-isil-infographic/26584940.html


    Now compare to the # from Saudi & Turkey.
    Now guess which dual nationals will have their US passports relegated to 'potential terrorist' category. "
     
    related: Elon Musk is pushing the development of lithium powered cars.
    Major investment funds include in their portfolios positions on lithium mines and stockpiles.

    Afghanistan is a major source for lithium.

    Neighboring Iran opened a lithium battery manufacturing facility last year http://gas2.org/2014/10/16/iran-builds-first-lithium-ion-battery/.

    Why can't the Anglo zio sphere play nice, trade nice. compete on respectful win-win bases?

    also related: Jon Utley reviewed Martin van Creveld's A History of Military Strategy: From Sun Tzu to William Lind http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/from-sun-tzu-to-fourth-generation-war/

    The Chinese way of war is grounded in the concept of dao:

    meaning “a return to normal.” Thus it was oriented toward limited war. War was evil and “a temporary departure from ‘cosmic harmony.’” Chinese texts “are permeated by a humanitarian approach and have as their aim the restoration of dao.”
     
    In stark contrast, USians (or more broadly, the Anglo-zionist realm), ground their thinking in a combination of Abrahamism most succinctly expressed by military leader Joshua, and football (America's two foci of Sunday worship): "We must win."
    And win at all costs.
    And not only win but destroy the adversary.

    This morning a caller to C Span addressed the question, "How should we resolve the problem of ISIS" with the complaint that US air power was constrained for fear of killing civilians. "This is crazy," the caller averred. "We can do better than that and we have done better than that: in World War II we bombed Dresden, killing 300,000 [sic] just to destroy the will of the German people."

    Congratulations, MSM (the S stands for shitstain; h/t Rurik) and holohoax mass education: the broad US public is now quite comfortable endorsing crimes against humanity and genocide.

    "They hate us for our values.

    Replies: @random observer, @dfordoom, @dfordoom

    “This is crazy,” the caller averred. “We can do better than that and we have done better than that: in World War II we bombed Dresden, killing 300,000 [sic] just to destroy the will of the German people.”

    Another proud moment in US history.

    the broad US public is now quite comfortable endorsing crimes against humanity and genocide.

    They always have been quite comfortable with those things.

  • @SolontoCroesus
    on a related note:

    Some may be aware that the recent US Congress VISA bill includes restrictions on Iranian-Americans, and Iranians resident in any other nation impacted by the US legislation.

    Congress moved the bill under the hyped fear in the wake of the Paris and San Bernardino events, er, killings, er, terrur pogroms.

    SicSemperTyrannis just posted this item:

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2015/12/httpwwwbbccomnewsworld-middle-east-35048404.html#comment-6a00d8341c72e153ef01b7c7f7df4c970b

    someone just sent me this very interesting chart .
    "Chart by Radio Liberty (owned by US government) shows nationality of Isis fighters. Look

    carefully to see the No. from Iran:
    http://www.rferl.org/contentinfographics/foreign-fighters-syria-iraq-is-isis-isil-infographic/26584940.html


    Now compare to the # from Saudi & Turkey.
    Now guess which dual nationals will have their US passports relegated to 'potential terrorist' category. "
     
    related: Elon Musk is pushing the development of lithium powered cars.
    Major investment funds include in their portfolios positions on lithium mines and stockpiles.

    Afghanistan is a major source for lithium.

    Neighboring Iran opened a lithium battery manufacturing facility last year http://gas2.org/2014/10/16/iran-builds-first-lithium-ion-battery/.

    Why can't the Anglo zio sphere play nice, trade nice. compete on respectful win-win bases?

    also related: Jon Utley reviewed Martin van Creveld's A History of Military Strategy: From Sun Tzu to William Lind http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/from-sun-tzu-to-fourth-generation-war/

    The Chinese way of war is grounded in the concept of dao:

    meaning “a return to normal.” Thus it was oriented toward limited war. War was evil and “a temporary departure from ‘cosmic harmony.’” Chinese texts “are permeated by a humanitarian approach and have as their aim the restoration of dao.”
     
    In stark contrast, USians (or more broadly, the Anglo-zionist realm), ground their thinking in a combination of Abrahamism most succinctly expressed by military leader Joshua, and football (America's two foci of Sunday worship): "We must win."
    And win at all costs.
    And not only win but destroy the adversary.

    This morning a caller to C Span addressed the question, "How should we resolve the problem of ISIS" with the complaint that US air power was constrained for fear of killing civilians. "This is crazy," the caller averred. "We can do better than that and we have done better than that: in World War II we bombed Dresden, killing 300,000 [sic] just to destroy the will of the German people."

    Congratulations, MSM (the S stands for shitstain; h/t Rurik) and holohoax mass education: the broad US public is now quite comfortable endorsing crimes against humanity and genocide.

    "They hate us for our values.

    Replies: @random observer, @dfordoom, @dfordoom

    They hate us for our values.

    What are the core US values these days? Mass murder of innocent civilians, homosexual “marriage,” unlimited porn, transgender rights, hate-fueled feminism. And those values must be imposed on the rest of the world, at gunpoint if necessary. Why would anyone hate the US for its values? It’s a mystery.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    @dfordoom


    Why would anyone hate the US for its values? It’s a mystery.
     
    those 'values' you mention are imposed on us by Hollywood and Madison Ave and are hated by most of the people of the US

    from the bombing of Dresden to the exultation to sainthood of that afflicted weirdo Bruce Jenner, all of this is a consequence of the US being under the iron thrall of a people who hate the true values of the people of America as if it were flames burning their flesh

    honesty

    honor

    fair play

    the ancient virtues of morality and decency are all anathema to those who rule the west today

    all that crap that's being imposed on us that you mention,

    Mass murder of innocent civilians, homosexual “marriage,” unlimited porn, transgender rights, hate-fueled feminism.
     
    are as much abominations to our sensibilities as they are to all the otherwise sane and cultured peoples of the world.

    they are being imposed on us too

    just look at the popularity of Donald Trump and how the elites are apoplectic. Look at how most Americans want to be able to say "Merry Christmas" again, and how such a turn to the past, back to true American values and simple well wishing's of good will to others, has them beside themselves. 'NOOO' they are exclaiming to this man's popularity. 'We are all about hate and sexual perversion and we spit on Christmas and Christianity and we wallow in spiritual sewage and force all children to marinate in it too!! We bomb people and drone people and make them submit to cultural degeneracy!!! NO to Christmas and good will to man! Yes to homosexuality and bombs and pornography and police state thugs and surveillance and fuck the constitution and lets all bomb and destroy more countries and foster strife and hatred and slaughter and human trafficking and strife and hate, hate and God damn it more HATE!!!

    we Americans don't like it anymore than the Palestinians do
  • Recent troubles at Yale, Missouri, and other campuses have made me think about how the academic culture has changed – much for the worse I believe. But a former colleague (who recently passed) used to tell me how much better the academic world seemed to him now than when he was a graduate student circa...
  • @Dr. X
    @Maj. Kong

    "I respectfully disagree with Gottfried’s conclusion that Cultural Marxism isn’t actually Marxist anymore."

    I second this.

    "Marxism," as we have traditionally understood it -- (meaning Maoism, Leninism, and Stalinism) -- may very well have been a major deviation from Marx's theory, properly understood.

    Remember, Marx wrote that bourgeois capitalism, not communism, was the truly "revolutionary" doctrine, and that communism, as he envisioned it, followed on the heels of capitalism. He believed that this was so because he argued that material conditions created consciousness, not the other way around; thus, as capitalist technology and the Industrial Revolution changed people's expectations, they would rise up and demand control of the wealth generated by capitalism.

    I think this is actually what is happening. By contrast, Leninism and Maoism (and for that matter Vietnamese and Cambodian communism) were instituted in pre-capitalist, peasant societies, and, in reality, were not all that different from run-of-the mill bloodthirsty monarchies and dictatorships that have existed for millennia.

    Today what we are seeing is a largely racialized brown and black lumpenproletariat storming the citadels of capitalist, bourgeois society, making demands for equality without making any sort of contribution, or even being able to make any sort of contribution, to that society. That's "communism" in my book, any way you look at it.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @joe webb, @joe webb

    Today what we are seeing is a largely racialized brown and black lumpenproletariat storming the citadels of capitalist, bourgeois society

    A remarkable number of these brown and black lumpenproletarians seem to be university students. Some of them attending Yale. That’s a strange sort of lumpenproletariat. It looks more like privileged young people (and I don’t care what colour you are, if you’re at Yale you’re privileged) demanding even more privilege.

    The actual lumpenproletariat are too busy stealing cars, robbing convenience stores and dealing crack to worry about storming the citadels of capitalist, bourgeois society.

    I also suspect that the university students in question are merely being used by the leftist establishment in the universities to further their own ends – more money for silly ideological projects and more cushy jobs for the already privileged.

    • Replies: @Dr. X
    @dfordoom

    If you take a close look at black college football players carping and whining about "racism" (e.g., Mizzou) I suspect you'll observe that a pretty good number of them are indeed the crack-dealing, car-thieving, raping lumpenproles of which you speak...

  • How about that Donald Trump, eh? Monday this week the Donald called for “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” He walked the thing back a little bit the next day, saying that U.S. citizens who are Muslim should of course be allowed back in from overseas trips: “They’re a citizen....
  • Personally I’d like my country to ban the entry of Americans. On balance Americans have been responsible for a great deal more misery in the past few decades than Muslims. I realise that not all Americans support the toxic US foreign policies but the safest thing would be to ban them all, and deport those who are already here. I’d especially like to see the deportation of Americans who man US military bases on my country’s soil.

    In fact if every country were to follow such a policy the world would be a much safer place.

    I don’t have anything against Americans but I’d prefer them to stay in their own country.

    • Replies: @Jim
    @dfordoom

    What is your country?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @AnAnon
    @dfordoom

    that is how national sovereignty works, and as an added bonus no one will declare that you are evil for publicly supporting such a plan.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Karl
    @dfordoom

    it's not the American military people who are CLEANING OUT the stocks of inventory in every Australian military-operated store in the the Seventh Fleet and the Fifth Fleet.

  • In May of 2018, the second year of Mrs. Clinton’s administration, national puzzlement was high over the continuing wave of mass killings. A week before, nineteen children had died in the Blaintree Kindergarten massacre in San Francisco when Mohammed Shah Massoud, Faisal ibn Saud, and Hussein al Rashid burst into the school and began firing....
  • @Unapologetic White Man
    @Rehmat

    CAIR is of the devil, as is AIPAC.

    Both (and all their related ilk) are anti-Christ, and therefore anti-White.

    It's not a choice of whether to go with the Jews or the Muslims, but rather of standing up to both.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    It’s not a choice of whether to go with the Jews or the Muslims, but rather of standing up to both.

    Maybe Trump could be persuaded to extend his proposed ban on Muslim immigration to Jews as well? If it’s acceptable to target Muslims in this way why not Jews?

  • @Heather
    @Anonymous

    Go look at fredoneverything.com. Fred does not DO politically correct, never has. This article is classic Fred, slaughtering all sacred cows. :-)

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Fred does not DO politically correct, never has. This article is classic Fred, slaughtering all sacred cows.

    Unless it relates to Mexicans.

  • @Priss Factor
    Maybe we should look to Singapore to see why Muslims act sane over there.

    Singapore is a PC nation, but it's a conservative kind of PC.

    Singapore has a Chinee majority but also Hindus and Moos(mostly Malaysian minority, and most Malaysians are Moos). But they seem to get along.

    Why?

    Singapore's PC is different from prog PC of the West.

    It is mutualist. Chinee are not allowed to indulge in 'hate' speech/politics against Moos and Hindus, but Moos and Hindus are also not allowed to indulge in 'hate' against the Chinee either. So, all sides have to be nice. There is no such logic as 'hindus cannot be racist' or 'moos cannot be racist' or 'ONLY Chinee can be racist cuz they got the power'. No, all groups must not be 'hateful' and all groups can be accused of 'racism'.
    Chinee must be mindful not to offend Moos and Hindus, and Moos and Hindus must be mindful not to offend one another or the Chinee.

    In contrast, prog PC in the EU and US says whites must not be 'hateful' to non-whites, straights must not be 'hateful' to the tooters, men must not be 'hateful' to women or womyn, and gentiles must not be hostile to Jews. But non-whites can spew filth and hatred against whites, homos can hiss & seethe against straights, and feminists can act like nasty biatches. And Jews sure can be hostile to gentiles, especially whites in America and Moos in the Middle East.

    So, PC in EU and US only partially promote social peace. It restrains whites and straights, but it gives free range for 'victim' groups to act nasty, vile, shitty, and biatchy.

    In Singapore, there is official curtailment of speech that offends religions. You cannot say 'Muhammad blah blah blah' to offend Muslims. And Singapore government says this is necessary for social peace.

    In the West, things are more schizo. On the one hand, West shows off with its unfettered belief in free speech and liberty. So, Muhammad cartoons are allowed in France. Certain groups can be offended in a very nasty way.
    BUT, the West, via speech laws or economic pressure, also goes out of its way to destroy people who vilify or 'defame' certain groups.
    So, Muslims feel awful envious of Jews in France. How come the Jews are more protected than the Moos in France? The Muslims wanna know.
    The West sends all these kinds of mixed signals and contradictory messages.
    Prog PC confuses a lot of people.

    So, if we are gonna have PC for social peace and harmony, the Singaporean conservative PC works better than prog PC that prevails in France and US colleges.

    Moos in Singapore know they better behave. But in turn, they are not defamed and their beliefs are not mocked. And they know the same pressure is applied to Hindus and Chinee.

    Also, as conservative PC in Singapore doesn't tolerate class demagoguery. Lee dealt with communists long ago. And he won over the socialists by offering some degree of welfare and conditional distribution of wealth.

    Replies: @Unapologetic White Man, @dfordoom, @Rdm

    So, if we are gonna have PC for social peace and harmony, the Singaporean conservative PC works better than prog PC that prevails in France and US colleges.

    The Singapore approach at least makes some sense. Either everyone should have the right not to be offended, or no-one should have the right not to be offended.

  • From the NYT:
  • @Digital Samizdat
    @Anonymous

    Some very interesting and important thoughts in your post. Here's one that jumped out at me:


    Personally, I think this is a sane and normal point of view, but for some reason you can’t actually say that in America, so patriots like Trump have to resort to sensationalistic claims about dangerous foreigners.
     
    The question is, do you really believe that advancing sensationalistic claims actually helps our cause? I mean, outside Tea Party circles, how many people were really won over by Birtherism? On another subject, wouldn't it be more effective to argue against immigration--and not just illegal immigration--on economic grounds, rather than advancing specious claims about Mexicans or Moslems? Falling wages and rising rents affect virtually everybody, not just Tea Party types. I would imagine that such an argument would have broader appeal to the electorate, beyond the usual Republican base.

    Replies: @nglaer, @iSteveFan, @dfordoom

    wouldn’t it be more effective to argue against immigration–and not just illegal immigration–on economic grounds

    Do you think Trump actually wants to end mass immigration?

    We saw the same thing in Australia. A “conservative” government cracked down on illegal immigration but they continue to flood the country with legal immigrants.

  • @Harry Baldwin
    @Anonym

    And there are a few homosexuals, for whatever reason. Maybe they have a thing for strong white men, as opposed to Asian boys?

    That's unfair. There are plenty of homosexuals who sincerely believe in conservatism. Florence King, a paleocon who used to write a column for National Review, was a lesbian who said that before the gay rights movement most homosexuals considered themselves conservative.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Steve Sailer

    That’s unfair. There are plenty of homosexuals who sincerely believe in conservatism. Florence King, a paleocon who used to write a column for National Review, was a lesbian who said that before the gay rights movement most homosexuals considered themselves conservative.

    Depends how you define conservative.

    There were plenty of English homosexuals who liked the aesthetics of traditionalism. They loved the ritual side of the Catholic Church and they loved High Church Anglicanism. They loved the whole Oxbridge thing. They also liked art and the theatre and all that sort of thing. I imagine there were equivalents in other countries.

    They veered sharply leftwards when being leftist became more fun. They like to follow the fashion.

    Quite a few would have been attracted to fascism/Nazism in the 30s because fascism had style. Can you imagine male homosexuals not loving those wonderfully sharp uniforms? SS uniforms were so butch!

  • @This Is Our Home
    The Front National will not win a single region. Even if one of their lists manages to come out top the other parties will just choose to combine their lists and therefore take the all important first place that automatically gives you a 25 percent representation bonus.

    The remaining 75 percent is then split between the party lists according to the proportion of their vote.

    The whole system was specifically designed to keep them out and it will work unless Front National support rises above 50 percent.

    Also, does anyone sense that the gigantic success of the Paris climate talks is actually just trumpeted nonsense to make the political establishment look good? I mean, I can't find any actual details of any successes.

    Replies: @anon, @dfordoom

    The whole system was specifically designed to keep them out and it will work unless Front National support rises above 50 percent.

    And in the incredibly unlikely event that ever happened does anyone imagine the US would not immediately begin destabilising an FN government? The US would impose sanctions. They would destroy the French economy.

    • Replies: @anon
    @dfordoom

    The regional elections are made up of sub-regions, in some of which the FN got 50%+.

  • @anon
    @reiner Tor

    58-42 for Marine and 55-45 for Marion means they're almost at the tipping point.

    If you consider the composition:

    1) the Left now relies entirely on the immigrant vote and the *currently safe* SJWs
    2) the Right has the much larger *currently safe* part of the Right

    and the two factors that are changing are

    1) the immigrant vote is increasing
    2) the currently safe areas are shrinking

    but it does seem like the media lying about the true situation means civil war will come before the tipping point is reached.

    I think France and the UK would be heading into the coming nightmare at the same time but Enoch Powell managed to slow it down for a few years in the UK which was just enough for France to go into it sooner.

    As a result of that I expect Ukip to have similar numbers in the UK within a few years: 30-40% almost everywhere but only a few seats because they're either 2nd to the prosperous Right in the remaining prosperous areas or 2nd to the immigrant vote in the less prosperous areas.

    Although France heading into the nightmare first might act as a catalyst to speed the process up in the UK.

    Replies: @al gore rhythms, @dfordoom

    As a result of that I expect Ukip to have similar numbers in the UK within a few years: 30-40% almost everywhere but only a few seats

    I would expect that UKIP will fail to win a single seat in the next British election. They’re finished. They know they have no chance and they will self-destruct from despair.

    There is not the slightest chance of any nationalist party anywhere in the West gaining real political power. Anyone who believes that democracy (or what we laughingly call democracy in the West) is going to save us is living in a dream world.

    My advice is to start learning Russian. Eastern Europe (or parts of it) might survive as an intact European civilisation. For western Europe the future is the Ottoman Empire 2.0. That would be the most hopeful outcome. Or it will be like the Balkans in the late 19th/early 20th century. That would be less hopeful.

    • Replies: @anon
    @dfordoom


    Or it will be like the Balkans in the late 19th/early 20th century. That would be less hopeful.
     
    For you maybe.

    I agree that Yugoslavia is the most likely end result and when it comes political parties like the FN will act as the skeleton for the next phase.
  • Recent troubles at Yale, Missouri, and other campuses have made me think about how the academic culture has changed – much for the worse I believe. But a former colleague (who recently passed) used to tell me how much better the academic world seemed to him now than when he was a graduate student circa...
  • @iffen
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    So-what means that unless something changes politically and economically the working class can eat dirt for a few generations.

    If you can't see that post WWII was a Golden Age for the American worker and if you think that communism in Russia was great then I am not interested in trying to convince you otherwise.

    (This is not the same as saying that serfdom was a better deal than what they got after the Revolution.)

    Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond, @dfordoom

    This is not the same as saying that serfdom was a better deal than what they got after the Revolution.

    Wasn’t serfdom abolished long before the Revolution?

    Russia under the Czars was industrialising rapidly. Had the First World War been avoided Czarist Russia could have been a very big success story.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @dfordoom

    Wasn’t serfdom abolished long before the Revolution?

    Yes, I know. I was just using serfdom in the same way that I use prole or peon when referring to my peeps.

    Russia under the Czars was industrialising rapidly. Had the First World War been avoided Czarist Russia could have been a very big success story.

    Lots of what ifs. I sometimes still buy into the idea that Stalin’s forced industrialization let them skip ahead of where they would have otherwise been economically. It’s undeniable that the later years set them back economically and they are just now on the road to catching up.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  • From the NYT:
  • @al gore rhythms
    @anon

    In the event of civil war in France would you expect the Western Powers to stay out of it though? Wouldn't the USA/Britain give French France the same treatment Serbia got over Kosovo?

    Replies: @nglaer, @anon, @dfordoom

    In the event of civil war in France would you expect the Western Powers to stay out of it though? Wouldn’t the USA/Britain give French France the same treatment Serbia got over Kosovo?

    I’d say that’s an absolute certainty.

  • Recent troubles at Yale, Missouri, and other campuses have made me think about how the academic culture has changed – much for the worse I believe. But a former colleague (who recently passed) used to tell me how much better the academic world seemed to him now than when he was a graduate student circa...
  • @Stephen R. Diamond
    @iffen

    My point is that communism is necessary. You deny that-but that's a different argument. If communism is necessary, and if the working class has the power and interests to establish it, then (barring global catastrophe) it is probably inevitable. People come to see their interests and act on them, but it takes time.

    Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom

    People come to see their interests and act on them

    You mean the way the working classes refused to fight a capitalist war in 1914 and instead united to overthrow capitalism?

    Democracy is popular with the elites because they have absolute confidence that there is no chance that the people will ever come to see their interests and act on them.

  • @iffen
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    Marxists predicted that the postwar prosperity in America wouldn’t last.

    Blind pig. Hoover predicted a chicken for every pot, so what.

    Who will “control” the capitalists when they own the wealth?

    People can control capitalism in a liberal democracy. We still have to work it out so as to benefit everyone.

    What’s the point of discussion if you don’t persuade?

    BTW, you don’t know anything about working people.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    People can control capitalism in a liberal democracy.

    Liberal democracy is an illusion. What we have in the West ain’t liberalism (in the old sense of the word) and it ain’t democracy.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @dfordoom

    Liberal democracy is an illusion. What we have in the West ain’t liberalism (in the old sense of the word) and it ain’t democracy.

    You may be right but I happen to think that it is a nice illusion.

    I am concerned that it is collapsing and what comes next is going to be very bad for me and mine.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  • Being old enough to remember the 1960s to some extent and the 1970s vividly has the advantage of highlighting the irony of how often contemporary liberals demand exactly what 1960s liberals denounced. For example, giant corporations trying to use their economic power to silence political dissent was much denounced by liberals in the 1960s and...
  • @TomSchmidt
    In the1960s, the Left hadn't conquered the narrative of major corporations, and so opposed their using their power to silence dissent. Now, they own that territory. Like Nazi Germany in the fall of 1941, they have rolled over enemy after enemy and control a vast swath of the globe and economy. They now have to defend it, and they cannot rely on kin altruism for group solidarity. The impossibility of this task and the inevitable shrinkage back to a defensible core is driving them nuts.

    They cannot win a fourth-generation war against the Internet.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    They cannot win a fourth-generation war against the Internet.

    They control the schools. They will control the internet. There is no need to invoke government censorship of the internet – Google and Facebook and Wikipedia other such corporations will do the job for them. For 99% of the population Google and Facebook and Wikipedia and similar outlets are the internet. A handful of dissidents on sites like this one are irrelevant. 99% of the population don’t know this site exists.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @dfordoom

    I agree.
    The web is being cleansed of a great deal of material that is unhelpful to the elites.
    One minor example is Sanders Research, an Irish research company that published pieces with titles like
    "Who created Condi Rice" and "Where is Ken Lay"
    a look at their web site
    http://sandersresearch.com/
    and a brief snapshot from the wayback machine archive of 2nd July 2008

    http://web.archive.org/web/20080702115248/http://www.sandersresearch.com/

    gives a brief look at a tiny portion of what's been disappeared.

    The Condi Rice story is still available in a pirated version here

    http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/06-28-05/discussion.cgi.71.html

    It smells of the same sort of early selection/growth/protection that gives us Barry the Kenyan.

    Sanders Research were the first publishers (afaik) of John Laughland who produced gems like this

    http://www.antiwar.com/orig/laughland16.html

    and this
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/gaining-control-of-russian-oil/556

  • Anon • Disclaimer says:

    They condemn anti-Muslim rhetoric to cover up and protect their anti-Muslim practice.

    US has been engaged in totally smashing much of the Muslim world.

    It’s like Donald Sterling donated to the NAACP to cover up his discrimination against blacks in housing.

    The elites are afraid that Trump’s rhetoric will blow cover on their actual practice.

    Suppose you despise Mexicans and wanna sell them moonshine so that they will turn into a bunch of drunken tards.

    It would be smart to praise them and slap them on the back and call them your amigos. Then, the Mexers might be fooled and keep buying our moonshine and ruin their livers.

    Hide your vile practice with your kindly rhetoric.

    But suppose you honestly blare out, “hey you stupid tacoheads, I despise your ass and wanna make quick bucks by hooking you to hard liquor.’

    The honest rhetoric blows the cover on the practice.

    Soros subverts Russia by saying ‘I care about Russians’. He doesn’t honestly say, ‘I despise those Slavo scum’, which is how he really feels.

    It’s like advertising. It’s mostly about selling junk to suckers.
    You flatter the suckers with ‘the customer is king.’

    All this kindly ‘invite’ rhetoric is just cover for ‘invade’ strategy.

    Praise clock boy and destroy Syria.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @tbraton
    @Anon

    "Suppose you despise Mexicans and wanna sell them moonshine so that they will turn into a bunch of drunken tards.

    It would be smart to praise them and slap them on the back and call them your amigos. Then, the Mexers might be fooled and keep buying our moonshine and ruin their livers."

    Are you suggesting that modern Americans would be so unscrupulous as to use the same tactics their ancestors used on American Indians? How disgusting. You should be ashamed to suggest such an outrageous thing.

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  • @iffen
    @dfordoom

    Liberal democracy is an illusion. What we have in the West ain’t liberalism (in the old sense of the word) and it ain’t democracy.

    You may be right but I happen to think that it is a nice illusion.

    I am concerned that it is collapsing and what comes next is going to be very bad for me and mine.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I am concerned that it is collapsing and what comes next is going to be very bad for me and mine.

    Yes, I agree it’s quite possible that the next step will be a good deal more unpleasant.

    It could be that the recent French election shows that the elites no longer feel the need to maintain the illusion. That could be a good thing, or a very bad thing.

  • @iffen
    @dfordoom

    Wasn’t serfdom abolished long before the Revolution?

    Yes, I know. I was just using serfdom in the same way that I use prole or peon when referring to my peeps.

    Russia under the Czars was industrialising rapidly. Had the First World War been avoided Czarist Russia could have been a very big success story.

    Lots of what ifs. I sometimes still buy into the idea that Stalin’s forced industrialization let them skip ahead of where they would have otherwise been economically. It’s undeniable that the later years set them back economically and they are just now on the road to catching up.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Lots of what ifs. I sometimes still buy into the idea that Stalin’s forced industrialization let them skip ahead of where they would have otherwise been economically.

    Getting into “what ifs” is always inherently dangerous but to some extent it’s necessary. The trouble with history is that we can’t conduct controlled experiments. History is a bit like “climate science” – to make meaningful predictions it’s necessary to indulge in speculation.

    Without the war Russia might have moved towards constitutional monarchy. Or it might not.

  • How about that Donald Trump, eh? Monday this week the Donald called for “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” He walked the thing back a little bit the next day, saying that U.S. citizens who are Muslim should of course be allowed back in from overseas trips: “They’re a citizen....
  • @Jim
    @dfordoom

    What is your country?

    Replies: @dfordoom

    What is your country?

    Australia, an obscure and distant outpost of the American Empire.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @dfordoom


    Australia, an obscure and distant outpost of the American Empire.

     

    Then why did you folks complain in 1914 and 1939 when we didn't go to war?

    Can't please some people…

    Replies: @dfordoom

  • @AnAnon
    @dfordoom

    that is how national sovereignty works, and as an added bonus no one will declare that you are evil for publicly supporting such a plan.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    that is how national sovereignty works, and as an added bonus no one will declare that you are evil for publicly supporting such a plan.

    National sovereignty is a fine thing. Sadly it’s a thing of the past.

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  • @anon
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    It might, but then you'd have the problem of someone who was just temporarily depressed going to a euthanasia clinic, getting iced, and then his family shows up and starts raising a ruckus about why the clinic never consulted them in the first place.

    And if you made the clinics actually run a check, and have some kind of waiting period or something, guys like this one would decide that they didn't want to wait, so they'd just take the fast suicide-by-cop route.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    It might, but then you’d have the problem of someone who was just temporarily depressed going to a euthanasia clinic, getting iced, and then his family shows up and starts raising a ruckus about why the clinic never consulted them in the first place.

    Very few people who decide they want to die because they’re depressed really want to die. Apart from the “cry for help” thing it’s often attention-seeking behaviour, or it’s revenge (I’ll kill myself and then you’ll be sorry). Or it’s just one too many drinks.

    Such people are annoying but they don’t deserve actually to die.

  • @Jack D

    Having some cool protocol could also be useful in discouraging cops from getting antsy and shooting guys who aren’t a danger to others at all, then blaming it on suicide-by-cop.)
     
    How about this for a protocol - don't have police that are armed to the teeth. In Scotland, something like 99% of the police don't carry guns and they have very few suicides by cop. If the situation really gets dicey they call the cops with the guns, but otherwise the police have to figure out a way to disarm people without just shooting them. You know, talking to them, etc. If the only thing you have is a hammer.... The whole idea of a police force is they were not supposed to be an occupation army but rather people from the community.

    Replies: @AnotherDad, @dfordoom, @Bayonet

    In Scotland, something like 99% of the police don’t carry guns and they have very few suicides by cop. If the situation really gets dicey they call the cops with the guns, but otherwise the police have to figure out a way to disarm people without just shooting them. You know, talking to them, etc.

    Even in Australia where cops are armed the usual procedure used to be to talk people down. And it works. I’ve seen it in action, years ago when my girlfriend of the time was waving a carving knife around in a very threatening manner. The cops just approached the situation calmly, even when she was threatening to knife them. The whole situation was resolved without anyone getting hurt.

    And the cops didn’t draw their guns.

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  • @MarkinLA
    @Bill Jones

    Do you realize that when you bomb factories and distribution points civilians are also killed? Besides that whole "unlawful" war nonsense is mindbogglingly stupid like your response.

    You do realize that the Japanese would have used any weapon they had at their disposal against our civilian population don't you? They even tried biological warfare on us when the sent plague infested fleas in ceramic canisters using the jet stream and balloons.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Besides that whole “unlawful” war nonsense is mindbogglingly stupid like your response.

    Although people got hanged for it at Nuremberg. It’s just a pity a few war criminals, like Churchill, escaped.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    @dfordoom

    It was a ridiculous show trial for who knows what ends? I guess it was supposed to make the people back home feel that they were part of some righteous crusade vanquishing evil for all time - at least until the next war when all the atrocities are uncovered.

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  • @Desiderius
    @SFG

    Yeah, well, Jefferson's list doesn't do much for traditional American Left-wing constituencies/goals. The Democratic Party has become an alternative, and on the (trans-) national level triumphant, Right-wing.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Yeah, well, Jefferson’s list doesn’t do much for traditional American Left-wing constituencies/goals. The Democratic Party has become an alternative, and on the (trans-) national level triumphant, Right-wing.

    Agreed. There’s nothing remotely Left (in the traditional sense of the word) about the modern Democratic Party.

    • Replies: @ben tillman
    @dfordoom


    Agreed. There’s nothing remotely Left (in the traditional sense of the word) about the modern Democratic Party.
     
    And what is that "traditional sense" supposed to be? "Invade the world; invite the world" seems to fit the traditional Leftist gameplan perfectly.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  • @neutral
    The definitions of what is right wing and conservative (and liberal) have been argued about in billions of online comments. People have wasted countless hours debating if Hitler was left or right, or if current day Chinese that support the ideals of Mao and are opposed to the capitalists are conservatives or radical, or if the founding fathers were liberals or conservatives, and so on. Why is so hard to come up with better labels ? The mass media keeps using the lazy left or right terms, and they are increasingly meaningless terms.

    I think a better way in this day and age is to use the phrase "invite the world, invade the world" and group people according to the four possible combinations. Note that this not restricted to America, but to everyone in the world, "invade the world" indicates that somebody wants to impose his views/regime on others, whether they have the means to impose these views is not as important as the fact they they would impose them if they could. "Invite the world" the world is basically adhering the belief that things like culture and race do not exist and that we are all the same. Below are some examples of people that would fit in each group and what I think we should call them, since some of the words are impolite one should ideally find better words when in polite company.
    Invite the world, invade the world (Bush, McCain, French "conservatives") - cuckservatives
    Invite the world, don't invade the world (Merkel, Michael Moore) - bleeding hearts
    Don't invite the world, invade the world (Israel, Hitler) - imperialists
    Don't invite the world, don't invade the world (Buchanan, Le Pen) - paleos

    If people could come up with good names for these four types, if would make more sense

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Invite the world, invade the world (Bush, McCain, French “conservatives”) – cuckservatives
    Invite the world, don’t invade the world (Merkel, Michael Moore) – bleeding hearts
    Don’t invite the world, invade the world (Israel, Hitler) – imperialists
    Don’t invite the world, don’t invade the world (Buchanan, Le Pen) – paleos

    If people could come up with good names for these four types, if would make more sense

    I agree it would be a good start, but to make sense of modern politics you need to place people on several other axes as well. Social conservative/social radical for one. Also economic globalist/economic nationalist.

    As for traditional left/right positions on economic issues they no longer exist. Every politician is pro-Big Government and pro-Big Business. No modern politician gives a damn about economic inequality.

    There are also libertarians but they’re too insignificant to worry about.

  • @Jefferson
    The difference between The Democratic Party and The GOP Establishment is that the Dems fully embrace their Far Left Wing voting base like Black Lives Matter and Occupy Wall Street. While The Republican Establishment is embarassed and ashamed of their Far Right Wing base like Donald Trump supporters and The Tea Party.

    This is the reason not many Left Wing voters feel betrayed by The Democratic Party. The Dems do a pretty good job of giving their Left Wing voting base what they want. Very few Left Wing voters are going to sit out the 2016 presidential election. If you are the average Left Wing voter, you feel The Democratic Party has done solid by you. During the last 8 years of Democratic rule we have gotten a lot more 3rd world immigration both illegal & legal, legalization of marijuana in several states, legalization of same sex marriage in all 50 states, all big major U.S cities from New York City to Oklahoma City are sanctuary cities for illegals, more affirmative action, more section 8 housing, Obamacare, no Keystone Pipeline, Confederate Flags have been taken down from all government buildings in the South, freedom of speech is pretty much dead on most American college campuses, etc. If you are a Left Wing voter than you must feel like you are on cloud 9 right now. You feel like the stars have aligned. It's a great time to live in America right now if you are a voter who is politically Left Of Center.

    Replies: @SFG, @Gunnar von Cowtown, @dfordoom

    It’s a great time to live in America right now if you are a voter who is politically Left Of Center.

    There is no Left Of Centre in American politics today.

    It’s a great time to live in America (and everywhere else in the West) right now if you are obsessed with identity politics or you’re a true believer in the global warming hoax. Neither of which have even the remotest connection with being Left of Centre.

    Identity politics and enviro-fascism have been used to destroy the Left.

  • @Gunnar von Cowtown
    @ben tillman


    I’ve never even seen any “European right-wing anti-Americanism”, much less any evidence that such a thing has influenced the “Alt-Right”. Where do you see this stuff?
     
    Start here.
    Against Democracy and Equality: The European New Right English Edition
    http://www.amazon.com/Against-Democracy-Equality-European-Right/dp/1907166254/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1450186823&sr=1-1&keywords=against+democracy+and+equality

    It's a great read. While I didn't agree with all of it, the inherent value in a book that critiques capitalism and Judeo-Christian values from the right is that it contains many arguments you've probably never heard before. I certainly hadn't.

    Apparently this "European right-wing anti-Americanism" has been kind of a big deal in France since the late-80s and early-90s. All the Radix Journal/ Alternative Right/ Counter Currents guys were heavily influenced by Alain de Benoist.

    Don't take my word for it. Check it out.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @ben tillman

    Against Democracy and Equality: The European New Right English Edition

    I like this quote from a customer review at amazon:

    “Never has Europe been so saturated with the Judaeo-Christian mentality than at the moment when churches and synagogues are virtually empty”

    • Replies: @Desiderius
    @dfordoom


    the Judaeo-Christian mentality
     
    More like a heretical offshoot therefrom.

    This too shall pass.

    Replies: @dfordoom

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  • @Andrew
    @Mark Minter

    "the world doesn’t seem to be enduring inflation."

    Umm .... You looked at your credit card bill lately and compared it to what it was 5, 10, or 15 years ago?

    Everyone I talk to about it notes the relentless trend from $2000 per month 10 years ago to $3000 per month 5 years ago to $4000 per month now. And it's not because we are eating filet mignon every night.

    How about your medical and dental insurance bills and coverage, or tuition costs at all levels of schooling? How about your phone and cable bills? How about the cost of going out for drinks or a dinner and movie? Prices at vending machines? Remember when candy bars and gum were still well under a dollar?

    Clothes prices have seemed relatively steady, but have you noticed the decline in quality and thus in the lifespan of the clothes before they fall apart?

    You really feel better off price-wise than in 2008, 2004, or 2000?

    Just because the price of gasoline fluctuates up and down doesn't mean there is no inflation.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @epebble, @Perplexed, @Bleuteaux, @Ed, @Lot, @dfordoom

    but have you noticed the decline in quality and thus in the lifespan of the clothes before they fall apart?

    Have you noticed the decline in quality and thus in the lifespan of just about everything these days? We take it for granted that nothing electronic lasts more than a couple of years. It’s all junk. It’s cheap, but it’s junk. We think we have cheap consumer goods but we don’t. If something only lasts a couple of years it ain’t cheap.

    When we had to replace our refrigerator I spoke to the guy who runs the appliance store. He told me that the average lifespan of white goods today is about half what it was when he started out in the business twenty years ago.

    • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
    @dfordoom

    One of the reasons for that is people still expect a washer to cost the same $400 they paid for their last one twenty years ago. I wish I could buy a car for $15k like I did 20 years ago, but they are all $30k+ for some reason.

    Replies: @Former Darfur

  • @The Z Blog
    @gruff

    The error often made is to think the narrow goes of Progressives are their final goals. I often talk about Progressives as a Utopian religious cult because it is the best way to understand the dynamics of what we in America call liberalism. A century ago the Left was "pro-worker" only because that was a useful lever against their enemies in the ruling coalition. Today they are pro-dudes in sundresses for the same reason.

    Similarly, the Left's embrace of global corporate power is just a means to an end. Having Google and Apple push people around, functioning as the morality police, is just more effective than having the government do it. Apple users celebrate the fact their phone will order them around like dogs, but howl like mad if the government does it.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @gruff

    Having Google and Apple push people around, functioning as the morality police, is just more effective than having the government do it. Apple users celebrate the fact their phone will order them around like dogs, but howl like mad if the government does it.

    That’s quite true.

    It is possible that some at least on the modern “Left” still have the same end goals that they used to, but companies like Google and Apple will make sure it doesn’t happen.

    Whatever leftists think their end goals are the actual end result will be what used to be called fascism, except that it won’t be as pleasant as Mussolini’s version.

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  • @Priss Factor
    "In fact, for all the fake indignation from traitorous politicians, anyone who follows British affairs knows that mass Muslim immigration has had a terribly destructive effect on British society and traditional liberties."

    But the Moos didn't create or devise this PC stuff.

    Moos benefited from it and learned to use it, but it was white Leftists, Jews, homos, feminists, and blacks who really got the ball rolling.

    One guy was arrested for making a joke about Mandela. That had nothing to with Islam. Homos hate liberty and demand that everyone worship them. Jews make Brits feel guilty about the holocaust even though Brits fought the Nazis.

    PC in UK would be powerful even without the Moos.
    The Moos are beneficiaries than its enforcers.

    Notice that even Euro nations with few Moos are deeply into PC to protect the 'feelings' of feminists, homos, Jews, Libs, etc.

    In some ways, the Moos are anti-PC cuz they got the guts to say bad stuff about Jews, feminists, whore culture, homos, etc.

    Moos want PC protection for Moos, but they wanna be free to bash everyone else.

    It is Western PC that shuts down 'hate' against all but against white males.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    PC in UK would be powerful even without the Moos.

    Agreed. Muslims aren’t the ones who have destroyed western civilisation. We’ve done that ourselves. The only hope for saving what is left is to attack PC, not the Muslims.

    • Replies: @Nico
    @dfordoom


    Agreed. Muslims aren’t the ones who have destroyed western civilisation. We’ve done that ourselves. The only hope for saving what is left is to attack PC, not the Muslims.
     
    The fact that P.C. is the heart of the problem does not make me any more at ease with the swelling ranks of Third Worlders, Muslim and otherwise, in Western countries.

    Nor can it erase the memory of 1453. Perhaps the greatest potential weapon against P.C. onslaught is the reminder of what Islam will do if given the chance. Let's keep repeating that.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  • The CIA analyst is confident about what is likely to happen in Syria. He says that “Assad is playing his last major card to keep his regime in power”. He believes that the Assad government will step up its efforts to prove that its enemies “are being manipulated by outsiders”. The probable outcome is a...
  • @Bliss

    General Michael Flynn, recently retired head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s intelligence arm....says bluntly in an interview with the German magazine Der Spiegel that the Iraq war “was a huge error. As brutal as Saddam Hussein was, it was a mistake to just eliminate him. The same is true for Muammar Gaddafi and for Libya, which is now a failed state. The historic lesson is that it was a strategic failure to get into Iraq. History will not be and should not be kind to that decision.
     
    We do not need to wait for the judgement of future historians. When even Bush Sr. says his son was misled by neocons Cheney and Rumsfeld, and when even the Republican Party candidates for President all wash their hands off the Iraq War, it leaves no doubt already that the invasion of Iraq was a strategic mistake.

    But still, why is the balkanization of Syria (and Iraq) a bad prospect? What makes these idiotic boundaries carved out by the British and French Empires from the defeated Ottoman Empire so sacrosanct?

    Replies: @Vendetta, @RobinG, @anti_republocrat

    The fact that the balkanization plays out via chaotic civil war and not some Czecho-Slovak velvet divorce.

    • Agree: tbraton, dfordoom
    • Replies: @Rurik
    @Vendetta


    The fact that the balkanization plays out via chaotic civil war and not some Czecho-Slovak velvet divorce.
     
    a chaotic "civil" war imposed by fiends bent on stealing the land for themselves and imposing hell on earth for the denizens

    Bliss seems to long for some biblical revelations to occur like some Dispensationalist, rapture bunny waiting to float up to the clouds with the Lamb of Peace on the rivers of blood, broken bones and smoking ruins of the people of the greater Levant. That's just some 'tribulation' that those people must endure so that the really special people like him can ascend. Small price to pay for one thousand years of 'bliss'.