I was, sort of, waiting for a thread like this here on this site, for obvious reason.

How do you “vax is deadly/depopulation agent/genocidal concoction” guys, on THIS very site, understand the fact that Israel, apparently, has a very high vaccination rate?
On top of it with this new “genetic” wax on top of it?

I mean, if the thing is so bad, why would THEY, of all people, do that!?!?

I mean, THEY are masters of “one rule for us, another for the rest of the world”, but, in this particular case THEY appear to be among countries/nations/peoples leading in vaccinations.
Taking into account, say….”diversity/immigration” stuff, there is one rule for them and definitely another for Western nations.
But now, this……they almost lead. As…haha…say…accepting all Afghan refugees.

Something doesn’t compute there. Or, it does in ways that could be…say…interesting.

Just curious to see those……… explanations/theories.
Really:).

@ Bugey Libre:

Fair question.

Quick answer: yes, it would.

That’s, for example, how “they” get to see, if they wish, what we do on our PCs, laptops, tablets…smart phones…..get into our IoT devices….whatever of “programmable digital electronics” device. Plant false evidence too.

Requires very smart and experienced people, working hard in well organized teams to produce means to do that. Something “they” have in abundance, of course.

Something we simply can’t have.

Great odds.

Thank you for the very helpful questions!

No prob.

Key point:
Some of you who want to do it get together. Some of those must be knowledgeable about police and Justice System work. Ideally a current/former high level cop and an experienced judge.
Snag: you don’t have such people onboard. Red flag.

Play the game. You and some other are Team A. The cop and judge are the Team B.
You “do” this. They, naturally, “do” that.
Snag: Can’t play that game. Red flag.

Address all possible contingencies. Especially those ending in your financial ruin.
Snag: can’t address those, especially the later. Red flag.

Etc.

Smart people recognize when there are enough red flags to abort the failure before it becomes serious.
Free will.

Hahahahaha………..

https://apnews.com/article/russia-vladimir-putin-isolation-coronavirus-pandemic-f842e18bbb1bcb7090aa84de9b42951e

….Russian President Vladimir Putin entered self-isolation after people in his inner circle became infected with the coronavirus….Putin, who is fully vaccinated with Russia’s Sputnik V…….

Hahahahaha……..

Fuck….me.

The level of contempt for the plebs must be at all times high.

And some of us here want…what…to “educate” normies…..hahaha….There is nothing there to educate. Nothing. It’s an empty space. Vacuum.

Clown World, in our face. Full bore.

A suggestion, if you will, methodology wise:

The Project.

The objective: what, exactly is the objective here? I’ll assume (assumption is mother….; makes ass…) it’s …say….”having an ongoing weekly protest event re Clovid with 200 persons”.
Question: ongoing for how long..4 weeks….8…12.?! What’s a measure of success or failure?
Number of people showing up? Number of people showing interest in the protest?

Risk points: any? I’d say at least one. “Disruption of peace”. How? Well, a counter protest of (say, active) Clovidiots which could get nasty. Or a music too loud for some people in the neighborhood (say passive Clovidiots) Anyway, what are the SOPs there re Clovidiots and police?

Good for making a local network of similar minded people.
Ineffective in affecting any TPTBs intentions/policies.

Or, maybe, the objective is to network with similar groups REGION wise. Good.
Again, what’s the measure of success/failure? 2 groups….6…..12?
Risk: “police thing” will definitely pop up here. Risk management, for group leaders? You get arrested and charged with …pick anything, doesn’t matter. What matters is coming time and MONEY in dealing with….ahm….Justice System.

Network with similar people with NATION level.
DEFINITELY get ready for some time in the Court. Can you afford that? Yes/no. If no, well, free will and such.

Etc.

Makes sense?

Hope I made a point here.

If not here it is:
Think all the steps through. ALL….OF…THEM.
Just a suggestion, mind you. Again, free will and such.

Ah, seen the comment:
“….seize control of these IT tools, to cage them-in, in precisely the way they think they are going to be successful in caging us in. We must all see that there is no other way…..”
Excellent idea.
You good with Zero Days Exploits? You know, assembly language, manipulating bits on a register level and such? Know guys who can do that. ORGANIZE them to make something? Just as a test, say, a network driver for Linux.
Yes? Excellent!
Good luck.

The first thing to do is to cease being a rational centrist.

You are faced with an Either/Or, along with everybody else. There is no centre, and neither side of that divide will have room for rational centrists until the decision’s been made and the dust has cleared. That may be a decade, even a generation away.

P..e..r..f..e..c..t !

The problem is that one side is clear on that, has already organized and consolidated immense resources and has, at least, 18 months on us , keeping the initiative.
The other side is still not getting there is a conflict going on in the first place. Actually…….a lot of one side believe the other side is working for their benefit…..

I have a problem recollecting time in history when it was like this. Probably some periods of European colonial expansion culminating with massacre of natives here and there. Trinkets and tools first. Maxim gun and quick firing cannon at the end.
Care for elderly first. Internment camps filled by militarized SWAT work at the end. Protected idyllic mansions at the other side of social divide.
Favelas in between.

I remember chats at the beginning of all this. When dumb people like me were talking abut vaccine passports, forced vaccinations etc. and smart people laughing at us. It was, what, 18 months ago?!
I am sure they are laughing now when they see that “internment camp” too. 18 months too?! Or sooner?

I must say that natives were geniuses compared to us. They were stuck in stoneage in some remote place; “we” have all the world information at our fingertips. That fact, perhaps, hides some much deeper and terrible truth in all this.

From

There were….

to

….logistics base?

I tried to make a point that TPTBs just, seriously, increased their capability to deliver lethal force against possible domestic reaction to their policies/intentions. They expect, rather soon I suspect, an act of individual/small group challenge of their power, beyond peaceful protests.

Any reason you’re discouraging people by spreading a message of doom and gloom and?

To try to point to dumb people not to do anything stupid which will affect me. Majority, that is. People taking and pushing for “vax as a service”. Individual/small group trying something stupid, getting wasted and then the event being used to make my life more uncomfortable. Stuff like that. Prevent more negatives if you will.
More importantly, to encourage some individuals to start thinking harder. Better. Try to deliver some positives in all this.

Certainly ‘they’ use force to impose their jurisdiction, the police force being exactly what it tells us it is. And they will continue to do so until and unless that jurisdiction is credubly challenged/undermined.

Yep.

Of course you’re right Peter! It’s been clear since the begining of this psyop that unless those of us standing to opose it, or even just refusing to participate in it will soon enough face extra-judicial internment.- That’s why I mentioned the small window such an aproach has.
If this aproach is never tried, or if it fails, then ones tactics would have to change accordingly.

Yep.

But until that time comes it occures to me that we have to use every means at our dispisal to stop it. Or at least to buy ourselves enough time to… regroup on higher ground.

Yep.

Personally, I’m already on the high ground and better prepared than most to repel any physical assault. Though, even for us here, without numbers, should things get physical ultimately we’d be beaten by sheer force.

Yep.

But as their narrative crumbles and their agenda is recognised for what it is, so our chances of defeating this existencial threat increase. – There are many, many more of ‘us’ (and of people questioning the bullshit) than than we are led to believe. Fence-sitters are already beginning to stir.

Maybe…………besides, there is a (practical) difference between stirring and effectively doing something. Timing could be a problem too. We alerady lost 18 months. I am sure that Jews (oh boy…) were stirring a lot after ’39 till ’45. Or Palestinians as we speak.

People have been seeking ways out of the matrix since 9.11 and before. Could be that we’ve learned a few things along the way or it could be that we’re screwed. – In which case we might as well start that party I talked about way back when I first started commenting on this website to which, if I remember correctly, you politely demured.

Discussing the above could be a good (intellectual) exercise. Not here, of course.

Something to, perhaps, think about:
Where, EXACTLY, are all those troops pulled from Afghanistan are being deployed/COULD be deployed?

Tens of thousands of hardened, desensitized, people, already well organized and with up do date COIN skillset and equipment. Ideal for squashing down individuals and small groups of…ahm…”insurgents”.

Just an initial though, mind you.

Pivot to China? Iran? Russia?
Or, at least some of them, for, say, “local” use.

People doing all this ARE good. They ARE forward thinkers.
We are the opposite.

Great odds.

Point being, when you know how the system works you are better prepared to counter any charges it makes against you..
I do not recignise you [just as the court may not recignise any legal entity it chooses not to].
I do not recognise, or accept your jurisdiction.
And I grant you no authority over me.
Argue jurisdiction and appeal the decisions of the lower courts up through the food chain. And make a noise about it.

Like Snowden, for example?

How is it these institutions of the state gain jurisdiction over a soverign man? Answer: ONLY BY YOUR CONCENT!

I guess you meant “consent”.
You are wrong. They get power over you by their ability to deploy a lethal force against you.

I know people like you. I respect and actually admire such people. They are……good people. Better than me, actually. They are SUPPOSED to be future of humanity. In a normal world. Not this one I am afraid.

Here is a scenario for you to ponder. I know it’s unpleasant for people like you, but I suggest you try to will yourself in.
They want you to get a jab. You do not consent.
They send, at your home, a team of medical workers and suggest you have a jab. You do not consent.
Two days later they send the same team with two nice cops. Cops do the talking this time. The usual , “public health”, “common good”…stuff like that. You do not consent.
Two days later they send med team with 4 cops. This time they say “danger for society” and similar stuff. You do not consent.
Well…this time they say “either you take the jab or we have to take you to isolation facility”. For public good, of course. You do not consent.
They arrest you. So, while you are in (indefinite) detention you can

Argue jurisdiction and appeal the decisions of the lower courts up through the food chain. And make a noise about it.

Especially “make noise” while there.

Or maybe they don’t arrest you (not you, Kali…some other type of a person); you knew it was coming, you were ready and faster. Let’s leave it there.
Well…they send a team next. Now…this time you REALLY have to be ready and GOOD. Let’s leave it there. You are still, obviously, not consenting.
Well…next they send a team with military support. I could be wrong but I believe no individual on this Earth can counter that. You are dead. Not consenting too.

Makes sense?

The way out of this, successfully, isn’t about “not consenting”, I am sure about that.

That said, it is still encouraging that more and more “normies” like Ernst Wolff are coming out and challenging the official narrative, which sows the seeds of doubt in the minds of the larger population.

He might not have the final game plan properly worked out, but at least he’s nudging people in the right direction.

True……………….sort of.

I guess you mean “getting numbers”.

Well….the problem is while “we” are getting numbers “they” are finalizing the structure which will make those numbers ineffective.

Or, I just KNOW that in the city I live in there are around 10 000 people, at least, against the lockdowns. Or, in practical terms, 10 000 people CAN break the lockdown in a day, with ease.
THE PROBLEM is getting them together to do that right.

Something else is sorely needed. One, crucial, element. Won’t spell it out here. Take it as a sort of a puzzle to solve .
I can’t see that element, at this stage. Which makes sort of a (very uncomfortable) sense in all this.

3…6 months from now, hopefully, something could change there. Maybe.

Not bad.

Interesting from 29th minute, namely “they’ll fail because of these elements”:
His argument My take:
First….”..desperation”.. “You are joking!?”
Second….”..enlightenment”.. “Oh boy….”
Third…”…coercion…inflation”… ”You sure? You gamed that out?”
Fourth…”….power…” “Wrong.”
Fifth…..”…ignorance…” “And why’s that?

And, apparently, the plan of action is:
“….to keep the peace, consistently expose all lies, and show people bit by bit why and by whom they are being deceived. When we do that and in doing so reflect on the strength of our arguments, then we can not only solve the current problem ….” Lost me there I am afraid.

Standing ovation from the audience.

Well….correct, but not quite.

I’d suggest you try to understand the current World financial system to complete/round up your understanding of what’s going on. More importantly, what is a possible future.

Emslander, just here, mentioned it.

The PROBLEM is that “we” here (I mean a couple of us who do try to think hard about this, that is) don’t, yet, understand that “they” are in trouble and under pressure. That tends to make people desperate. Desperate people with a lot of power could make terrible mistakes.

The current world financial system is in the crisis. It could break with terrible consequences. M.A..D., actually, could happen, IMHO.
That’s why they are pushing so hard, no matter what. I am sure that a lot of them actually believe that CBDC, UBI, constant vaccinations, chipping…whatever….is better than the scenario of financial meltdown.
They, local admins (from Biden to all the rest….), know plandemic is bullshit, but it’s a tool to keep control until they figure the way out. THAT is the problem, here: they are still figuring out how to do it. And time isn’t working for them. The numbers…….

Here is the timeline I see:

A question (in a good faith, mind you), say, “method” wise :
Do you play own…say…”games”, based on own scenarios?
Alone, with a friend…friends? Two teams? Three?

Say, “Blue” vs “Red” (with allies, neutrals, whatever).

Say….as just one of those (mental) games, Team Biden is “Blue” and, say, Team “Those Governors” are “Red”.
Move 1…counter…move 2…counter….move 3…counter. Something like that.
Dynamic interplay.

‘They” do game their serious moves, always. And methods wise, properly. I just know that.

I also know that “we” don’t even understand the concept, let alone do it. At least where I live. Experience.

Just curious.

Way above an average “anti-Covid” stance.
Still, not good enough.

You missed the core of all this: CBDC.
And UBI based on “social score”.

This started, really, in mid-2019. And we still don’t get it.

Light intro, for laymen:
https://andreacecchi.substack.com/p/the-right-virus-at-the-right-time

There are two books some of people posting/reading here might want to take a look at. More intellectual types probably read them; rereading some parts could be useful:
Herman Wouk, “Winds of War” and “War and Remembrance”.

Follow the one stream only: Aaron Jastrow. His path. “A Jew’s Journey”.
Plenty of characters visiting this site just recoiled, for the obvious reason. Please, move on.
A couple of you who can pass that and give it a go, try to make parallels. Your own path, if you will.

“A couple of weeks to flatten the curve”—->don’t know…maybe: “move out to Madagascar, NOW !”
—-
—-
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Living in fenced/guarded environment on minimal UBI and related social/medical services——–>Jastrow’s last day, if you will.

The point is: that step along that path when Jastrow made the mistake. The moment, had he done something different, he wouldn’t have finished as in the book.
Which step along the already walked, current and PROJECTED path, we are are on, we made/are making/will make, the mistake? The step after which whatever we do won’t make any difference?

No need to post it here. Just think about it.

The rest, try to exercise some rudiment of self control re “that” topic; my intention isn’t a “clickbait”. Just move on and forget about this comment.

Namely, under colour of a contrived dialectic between the “pandemic” & the “vaxxine”, we’re watching Democracy being shaped and shepherded into something feared by political thinkers from the ancient Greeks to today as the worst of all possible worlds. Democracy’s Achille’s Heel, the Tyranny of the Majority is inside the gates.

Yep.

The minority is being reduced to the lowest possible number, whereupon it will be stripped of all any and all social and economic rights, and then of any political rights that can be construed as a threat to the Majority and especially to those that rule in its name.

That’s the plan. Theirs, that is.

AU has no Bill of Rights, so Aussies are highly vulnerable, but Canada’s is being shunted aside as an unnecessary impediment and the US National Archives has already placed a “Harmful Speech Alert” banner above most of its website, including the US Constitution as well as the Bill of Rights.
It’s a small step from “Harmful” to “Hate” Speech, and from there to “Banned” Speech.
AU, NZ and CA are much easier to bring under consolidated control than the US. Low population numbers, few provinces/states, parliamentary govts. The US is much more complicated socially and politically, not least due to millions of ex-military an armed populace and 50 State Govts of varying political views and will.

Now, let’s agree to disagree about that, here, in public and on this site.
You ARE a smart guy but everybody has weaknesses. Maybe you could benefit from a chat about certain subjects/topics. Just to fill up some, say, “civilian” gaps in your knowledge (I am saying this in a good faith). Just two of us chatting…without interfering trolls and idiots.
Let’s put it this way: if “we” were to create any sort of pushback people like you create a framework and lead. People like me do what people like you find…..uncomfortable. Like..cleaning, scrubbing toilets, taking out the trash. Necessary work in any serious social endeavor. Something like that.
Above is my contact. Flick me a mail and we could start discussing that topic “bringing under control”.

Though I see that the Aussies are at least making some noise about it, the notion of “peaceful protest” is a mug’s game. TPTB couldn’t care less. Sustained mass boycott and non-compliance can serve to slow it down, but it’s gonna take real political organization to bring it to a halt.

Yep.

I don’t see it happening within a generation

Now…that is related to that “under control”. It’s possible. Requires a lot. We could chat about that too.

I seem to recall you saying long ago that you were in Tasmania. If not, I’d head there. Gorgeous, resource rich and sparsely populated. I don’t know its politics, but you may be able to steer clear of them.

There is nowhere to run from this. Sooner or later we’ll have to start making a stand. We are 2 years late in the game as we speak so there is a lot of catching up to do.
Now, there is a difference between making a stand and being a suicidal idiot. THAT is something I WAS hoping sites like this could start working on. I was wrong.
Well..while there is will there is a way.

Agree with that. I lived ~30 years in the USSR and ~30 years in the US, so I believe I can compare the two directly.

I believe that combo gives you an excellent teacher/advisor skillset if not more (leadership is a bit more complicated thing and, unfortunately, age does matter there: I can relate:)).

There were a few rules you learned under “communism” that are 100% applicable to “capitalism”.

Yep.

First and foremost, do not believe anything the government tells you (that includes statistics on covid, GDP, and everything else). The assumption that everything the government says is a lie is correct in 99% of the cases (the rule “it ain’t true unless the government denies it”). The more often something is repeated, the more likely it is to be a blatant lie.

Yep.

Second, when it does you no harm, pretend that you believe in the official narrative. Hard to do with “vaccinations” – they likely do cause you harm. If the fraudsters simply put physiological saline in their “vaccines”, I’d call them nice and voluntarily get the shots: in contrast to their concoctions, physiological saline cannot harm you.

I’d add, firstly, “don’t engage”. Now, if pressured, sure.

Now, about your conditions. I have a very interesting job that takes a lot of time and brainpower, so I cannot spare the time to read the books you listed. Besides, none of the authors had first-hand experience with both systems, so I don’t see how these books would be informative for me.

I hear you re the former.
The later (books) is about understanding why Westerners are deeply individualistic (MacDonald). Then, the nature of masses and elites (Mosca, Pareto). The realities of the power allocation there and, consequently, about ways to get what we want in that reality.
This one is short enough:
https://www.gwern.net/docs/history/1943-burnham-machiavellians.pdf
Take a look at Mosca and Pareto parts, only.
The core point is, IMHO: forget about ‘educating” the masses.

In my experience, liberalism is just a pack of lies, like communism, a ruse for the gullible. An important lesson you learn living under the “communism” is that anything claiming to tell you the Truth with a capital T is a lie.

Pretty much. This version of it.
I, personally, see it a bit more nuanced. A lot of ideologies/movements start well but get corrupted by passing of time. Human nature. Power corrupts, good times make weak people etc.
Which bring two of us to:

Looked through your comment history and could not find that email address. It does not matter, anyway: Big Brother reads your emails and your comments here. Welcome to “1984”. Orwell thought that he wrote a dystopia. In fact, he wrote a prescient documentary.

“[email protected]”

Re Orwell I’d have to disagree. It’s worse in a way.
People aren’t only willfully carrying “the monitor” with them all the time. They enter the most intimate/personal things about them and they know into the device. 2 minutes of hate last much longer. And the worst, the sheeple can put the pressure on people way outside of their personal space. They, also, can almost instantly tell the authorities about your transgression.
Or, he didn’t realize how majority of people are just quickly reprogrammable drones. Most idealists tend to do that. I was guilty of the same sin before the scamdemic I must confess.

As for “them” monitoring what we do/type, correct, up to a point. Up…to …a…point. We could talk about that topic too if you wish. 20 + years in I.T. (among other things) tend to teach a man something about that topic. I made my first program, in high school, on punched cards. Pure 0s and 1s. Long story short, it IS possible to communicate in a way “they” can’t see. Now, the real problem is they’ll then think “…what is he hiding…” which opens next level of the problem. Let’s leave it there here.

Restaurants…cafes….what?!.

Possibility of mandatory vaccinations is the problem at this stage.
Stagflation is the next.
CBDC and all related stuff coming soon after that is The Problem .

Life bordering on material poverty ruled by anarcho-tyranny managed by the State aparatchiks at every level of existence.
THAT is the problem, not fucking restaurants…..

Now, you do have sort of a point here.
Time has come, IMHO, for Westerners to start learning how the East Europeans lived under Communists. Modes, SOPs, tricks, stuff like that.

I am more than happy to discuss that topic, with two conditions:
One:
Reading Kevin MacDonald, especially “Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition: Evolutionary Origins, History, and Prospects for the Future” is a must. Works by Mosca, Pareto and Burnham would be very helpful. Sam Francis is a must too I am afraid.
Two:
No such discussion “here”. My (temporary) Protonmail address is in one of my recent posts here.

….I am watching this unfold as a gigantic sociological experiment, and it is validating all my priors about human cognition (which is worthless below the 95th percentile) and political corruption (which is endemic)….
….I literally don’t care if people unlike me die drowning on pink sputum….
.. I am psychologically disposed to avoid being close to the vast multitudes of dumbfounded dipshits who waddle around shopping centres like retarded walruses. I’m naturally inclined to ‘social distance’ because of my personal distaste for y’all…

I hear you:).

The problem, STILL, is that those..ahm…people…are forcing you into rather dystopian future. Or me. Or similar people.

We can not sit back in our distaste and distance us from all this.
We can’t keep away. They come to us and force us to do what they do.
THAT is the problem.

If 95 % of the country’s populace want to walk of the cliff TODAY I wouldn’t give a fuck.
The PROBLEM is, they want me to walk with them. They will grab me and drag me over the cliff. For my own good, of course.

So….resolving that problem appears to be a challenge at this stage.
Make those 95% do whatever they want and leave us alone. Tall order today.

Very good find:).
Thank you.

From a couple of comments:
One:
“….. massive fatalities for the elderly by deliberate use of patient triage and the use of Midazolam and other accelerated end of life manipulations accompanied by massive DNR and denial of care directives in selected locals as the author discusses.
On the financial end the author might add the massive sell offs by CEOs in January of 2020 followed by the February spectacular stock market crash the largest in 45 years. This further fills in the narrative which is already quite extensive. Excellent article.”

Two:
“…The one thing missing here is the failure to note the next aspect of the game plan, their solution to the inevitable rebellions against the inevitable collapse of the financial system. As you state, this won’t last. They know this.
Their solution is full spectrum control of the population by transitioning to a digital currency with individual digital IDs based on the vaccine passports.
Once widespread enough, no resistance will be possible in the new feudal system. No where to hide. They will begin in the core countries, Australia, Canada, Europe, UK, USA and spread out to the periphery.
Great article.”

Now, the problem with the article is not offering a solution for a way out which benefits “us”.
One commenter offers:
“….Libertarians have often found ourselves benefiting from such analyses while asking, “What is to be done?” (to quote Lenin). Certainly not more power to the pseudoscience bureaucracies. The one factor the globalist genocidalists (for that will be the ultimate results of the kill shot with its mass adverse reactions) fail to consider is us. The continuous antilockdown mass demonstrations prove that not all are sheeple. The next World Wide Demonstration is September 18th…”
Personally I don’t believe in it. Just me.

So, as per a brief comment from another fellow:
“….Amazing article…
But what is the outcome…i mean what is future…”

You appear to be interested in following the path around 99% from the “alternative” don’t pay attention too. I share the fault:).
I guess we have our understanding about what’s going on.
Would you be able to point to any online material offering a solution to this problem?
Thx in advance.

Sites like this serve only to offer a red-pill to those who otherwise have the intellect but not the information to make sense of what’s going on. That in itself may save some lives.

True.

This isn’t a boot camp for leaders.

Could’ve been a recruiting centre.

Best those deals be done in private.

Correct.

From the “recruiting center” (a site like this), first into a (quick) “selection” (not everyone is a leadership material; nothing wrong with that) and then into the “training facility”.

Missed opportunity.
As things get worse, well, we’ll see……………….

Just to clarify a couple of things related to the previous post.

Some people are starting to realize that the future could be….difficult…. for them and people they care for.

At the moment it’s just a vague feeling. It’s interesting to note that while they are still developing that feeling TPTBs are already 18 months into deploying their solution. Add to that at least 6 months of planning. Talking about foresight, planning and especially initiative.

Then, some of those (with the feeling) actually do think that, perhaps, something should be done about it. As long as it’s a nice hobby or pastime, of course. And feels respectable within middle-class strata, too.
While TPTBs are 16 hours 7 days a week, working on their solution. Caring only for the end result.
Talking about resources.

All articles and most of the commenting here is useless in that game. That’s for authors and commenters.
Still, there are a couple of commenters and I have a feeling some readers/lurkers who:
-Feel quite uncomfortable with the future they see.
-Are willing to do something about that. Keyword “do”. Work on it.
-More importantly willing to challenge own assumptions and weaknesses.
-Most importantly willing to take risks and try (keyword try) to assume leadership roles.

Masses of people in developed world feel something is wrong with this. The problem is they lack mental faculties to understand it. Let alone to do something about it.
They need leadership.
I thought (past tense) that sites like this could develop that leadership. A mistake. Purpose of sites like this, currently, is ………something else. BTW, whoever hasn’t figured it so far isn’t really a leadership material.

I believe that the next phase in this should be creating network of people who believe they could be that leadership.

The only way out of this is creating that leadership somehow. Keyword “somehow”.
Maybe it’s not even possible but that’s the only productive work I can see at this stage.
The rest is online therapy and even worse.

Now, around 90 % of people reading this will simply recoil. Good.
Those 10 % are important. Most will do quick risk/reward analysis and drop the idea. O.K. I suggest don’t drop it, shelve it.
And it will resonate with 1, 2 %, tops. They’ll start thinking about it. How to do it.
Good luck.

What other options are available to us besides these? That’s a serious question. Is there something I’m missing?

There is.

If you wish to talk about it you could email me. The address is in one of my previous posts in this thread.

From some other place on the Internet, a comment, with a link to a document. Handle “Jim Sks”. Thx, Jim:).

A person or two posting here, could find it useful. Maybe a dozen of readers/lurkers too.
Could connect a missing dot here and there.

“It’s simple, really. Universal vaxination leads to digital IDs, and this eventually to cashless society, digital money, UBI and social credit system.

WHO spec released last week. Have some fun searching for World Bank personalities in the acknowledgments.

The powers that be think this is needed to avoid the collapse of our broken financial system, which would result in chaos and societal upheaval. Therefore they think some 1984 approach is justified.

https://apps.who.int/iris/rest/bitstreams/1359417/retrieve ”

What is going on?

A couple of guys already answered that question in previous/related threads.

…I’ll go a step further…

A very short step.
Keep walking……

The problem with your intellectual types is inability to understand how the game of power really works.
Your inability to take a good, hard, look at certain elements of human nature.
I guess that all idealists, humanists, share that weakness.

Imagine strolling across a very nice meadow. A rock. You wish to sit there and take a rest.
Flip the rock. Watch what’s underneath for a couple of minutes.

And try again reading this and related threads.

Maybe, just maybe, the time has come to re-focus your efforts into more productive ways of affecting this, and coming, reality.
That starts with re-evaluating own capabilities, understanding own weaknesses and doing something about it.

If you want to reply to this, somewhere in this thread is my (temporary) email.
I mean, if you haven’t realized that any productive talk isn’t possible here anymore than you do have a big problem.

Here’s something of a start…

I’ve seen that.

Much more needed, but the wheels are slowly turning.

Much more. Too slow.

The politicians, beauracrats, media, medicos, constabulary, judiciary and military all now have mutual vested interests in pushing forward with the Great Reset no matter what, because they understand that if they fail, then they will all hang.

Correct.

“Our” problem is inability to get everyone who’s against the Great Reset together.
A competent leadership.

As I mentioned before, people like Mosca, Pareto and Francis explained that well ages ago.

Even here, of all places, some people are starting to think about it, as:
https://www.unz.com/article/the-crown-is-in-the-gutter-the-leadership-vacuum-on-the-patriot-right/

“Funny”:

Minutes 39.40—40.33…

The paper:
https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/literature/whitepaper/bii-macro-perspectives-august-2019.pdf

Keyword: inflation.
Translate to stagflation. Think pensions and savings, among other things.

That’s why “they” rule and “we” are the ruled.

Sorry. Back to “vax/no vax” topics.

….really committed anti-vaxxers…

I believe you got me confused with somebody else.
Maybe a little clarification, now that I left an email here, is needed.

I am not an anti-vaxer (whatever that might be).

I am…for the lack of better word…”methodologist”, and experienced one.

I’ve gone through TWO real world outbreaks, both quite lethal for those infected, during my service, and studied/had papers about biological warfare. Exercises…oh my. Spent more time in NBC suit than most of you guys with that muzzle on your faces. So..know something about the current topic and can’t really get impressed by anyone here trying to lecture me about it.
I don’t buy the official narrative here, all the way from virus isolation to deployment of vaccines.

I also know something about decision making process in crisis. About use of media in true crisis. What we’ve seen so far isn’t it. It’s a “fear porn” and power grab.

Then, I know something about how the world of finance works. Or how to “follow the money”…..
Long term debt cycle, compound interest, derivatives, margin calls etc…

So, extremely briefly:
There IS a serious crisis, it’s just not the virus. It’s collapsing of the current and, more importantly, on the fly redesigning of the new world financial system.
And….creation of the new type of society in developed world to support that system.
For the thick: CBDC and social credit.

The virus narrative is to enable lockdowns.
Lockdowns are to destroy small, weaken medium players, shape public opinion and develop and deploy means of mass control of populace.
All that to “build back better”. For the 1 % and their..say…9 % errand boys/girls, naturally. Worse for the 90% of people.

Or, for really thick: sharp centralization of wealth and power. Consequently, sharp loss of wealth and power for people like me and I guess most of people reading this. Poverty and loss of freedom, really.

So far “they” are winning and “we” are losing, hard.
The level of “sheepleness” of most people has been surprising. The level of incompetence for those who do see something missing has been quite disappointing. Inability to organize first and foremost.

My ONLY public interest in this topic is about “how to get organized to try to counter this….”. Keyword ORGANIZE.

It’s easy to envisage, at this stage, hundreds of millions of isolated, disorganized persons in developed world, not happy with the paradigm. Unable to change anything for better too.

Futile protests, bursts of pent up rage directed against wrong targets, lone wolf acts also against wrong targets. An impotent mess simply reinforcing the paradigm.

The challenge is figuring out how to organize that mass discontent into something effective. The rest is waste of time and energy.

Hope that clears the air.

…we who are committed are few and may only represent around 5%. But there are many on the fringe whose financial and psychological status is close to breaking point who could well join the fray and bolster those numbers.

At the end of the day, we don’t need 40% or even 20% of the population to overthrow the tyranny.
If we get a committed 8 – 10%, many of whom are hard core activists, to engage actively in mass non-violent civil disobedience, this may be a sufficient critical threshold to end the oppression.

I’ve been active in the real world since seeing the first lockdown coming. Working with some people on the ground. Trying to make that “… committed 8 – 10%…”
Disappointing experience.

I believe “we” need something more than just “committed 8 – 10%” of population. Haven’t seen even a trace of that “more”, so far.

This isn’t a place for a productive work re the topic.
Easy to create a temporary Protonmail account and exchange a couple of emails. Try to “network”, if you will.
I guess you already know that “Five Eyes” will see all typed there, so….

5 minutes work and mine is:
[email protected]

There have been resignations galore and/or coppers refusing to enforce a lot of the government edicts.

Doubt “resignations galore”. Source/numbers?

MOREOVER, there is already a breakaway movement within the police force here in NSW (largest state of Oz), that is coalescing and building in numbers, I have been told, that is threatening to derail this totalitarianism.

You sure about that?
Riccardo Bosi talks about it. Sounds good.
My gut feeling: something’s…… amiss… there. Just me.

Anyway, we’ll see what happens with:
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/truck-drivers-to-strike-nationwide-at-midnight/video/09713fca30e97cc4f522f713b4d848dc

My take: nothing of substance re the scandemic.

“They” are well organized, have enormous resources and clear goal/agenda. The real movers and shakers, that is.

“We” still don’t even recognize what’s really going on. “We” as 5 % of population, tops.
The rest of common folk (I’d say 80 %) simply do not think….

To finish the post on a sort of positive note, I’ve found this
https://www.gwern.net/docs/history/1943-burnham-machiavellians.pdf
useful reading. Explains a bit about elites, masses, changes etc. Mosca and Pareto parts in particular.

From the comment 615 from the previous thread:

… Maybe Ron Unz can pivot to a financial forensic perspective….

He won’t.

You could take a look at:
https://andreacecchi.substack.com/p/the-right-virus-at-the-right-time

If the above makes sense keep digging……..

Good luck.

….who stands outside Plato’s cave mouth and watches the reality rather than the shadows on the walls will either be isolated by force or will figure out how to profit from the hoax.

While the former looks more like it, well, do you have some ideas/suggestions re the later?

Looking around me and pretty sure we’ll get the second lockdown rather soon I’ve been racking my brain there re profit, advantage, having an edge or simply offsetting some hard shit coming my way.

On really practical terms: if the Admins implement contact tracing as, say, we see in Moscow, well, we are in BIG trouble.

Flu-like epidemics do kill a lot of people, as has Covid19. It’s going away during the warm months in the Northern Hemisphere, but there will be a repeat of its effects this winter, probably after Thanksgiving. Everybody knows this.

Yep. Let’s leave it there. I have ZERO interest in talking about the panic-flu itself.

What does interest me is related to:

What’s different with Covid19 is that it’s become a useful tool for the bankers to drastically expand debt and cover for the loss of jobs and small businesses.

True, but there is a bit more to it. Let’s skip the chat about it; got sick and tired of analyzing “their” moves after they’ve been made. Zero initiative; pure impotent reaction.

I’ve been aware for quite some about the …ahm…cerebral qualities of people who aren’t happy with the current paradigm. No joy there; that’s the fact.
A rather unpleasant surprise was the reaction to the plandemic of those who do have some qualities there.O.K. it is what it is. Cracking under pressure etc.

As for

Expect Trump’s second term to be more manufactured hell from the dying media and left-wing oldsters.

I expect a bit more than that. Much worse, that is.
Which brings me to the point:
What, only, interests me is seeing somebody..anybody….on DR side of the great divide who could do what the opposition has been doing rather well since September last year for their side: predicting what’s going to happen and, more importantly, offering the “deplorables” some solutions.
Seen anything like that, anywhere, online?

That’s a pretty scary scenario, Jason, and unfortunately there’s nothing in there that I couldn’t see happening.

A bit disappointing, I am afraid; you are rare individual around here who’s been making some sense on this…ahm…site for the last couple of months re the plandemic.

11. New World Order set up in 2023/2024 based in Europe and China.

After M.A.D?!?

The guy IS correct, I think (or, more likely gut feel):

1. Another viral outbreak in or before Fall of 2020.
2. Full lockdown and martial law to accompany 1.
3. Massive propaganda campaign through corrupt mainstream media to accompany 1 and 2.
3. Many deaths by Spring 2021. mostly due to malnutrition (or outright starvation), depression, suicide and murder, but most of which will be blamed on a coronavirus.
4. Mass vaccination program to be forced on the public in 2021.

And here is all that matters at the moment. For me, anyway.

5. Isolated attempts by isolated pockets of people to resist the lockdown and vaccination program.
6. Ruthless suppression of said attempts by brain dead police (and military if needed).

Maybe.
Maybe not.
Could be “widespread resistance” and “failed attempts to suppress”.
We’ll see.

Could you, please, expand on:

The possibility of pre-crime detention was also present in the DOJ’s recent request for new “emergency powers” The inclusion of the term “pre-arrest” likely means that “you could be arrested and never brought before a judge until they decide that the emergency or the civil disobedience is over. “

Sources/links…anything really. Keen to read it up.
Hehe…as you point out, “they” don’t even hide all that anymore. They publish it all in our faces.
Tells us something about them and, more importantly, about us.

BTW, nothing new I am afraid for some of us who remember Cold War. When/if you have time take a look at the movie “Threads”. Potential troublemakers are arrested before the start of the missile exchanges.

One could hope that, rather soon, somewhere in “DR” space, somebody would start thinking about

How hard is it to get 70k people out of 40m to show up in Sacramento and demand their freedom?

Or, how to help make it happen?
Not that place only, as we speak, but a lot of places in West if…when….the the real thing hits the fan.Three…six months from now.

“We” failed, miserably, this time. “They” played their game beautifully, hands down.
Fine.
Can “we” learn something from this, rather humiliating, experience? Can “we” in three, six months, do better?

If so, how?
Or, will we see, anywhere in “DR” space, “our”..ahm…best and brightest, discussing/debating that?
Watching/monitoring, carefully, the impact on lower 60 % of society? Pointing what can and can not be done?
Ultimately, trying to prepare people for mass protest(s).

Or, keep endlessly…ahm…” discuss/debate” the usual?

Funny, almost.

Well, that’s The Topic which has been interesting to me since the beginning of the panic-flu.

My take is that a lot of people actually didn’t buy the plandemic, BUT, not keen to confront the system. Simply too much to lose (fines, jail). Or, too much money to lose for a matter of principle or simple inconvenience.
BUT, what happens when that equation doesn’t work anymore? No money either way.

Pierce was correct, of course. There is, really, just one thing that matters to Americans. Or any Westerner. Or, when you really think about it, to any person on this planet.
So…what happens when that thing is taken away from you?

If some people are correct we are, in a couple of months, about to really feel the …ahm..”recession”.The real pain. How are we going to react to it is The Question.
I guess the Admins will reintroduce the ….”plague”. Heavy lockdown. The second wave or whatever; they’ll think about something to keep us under control.
Maybe this time a lot of people won’t buy it. Such people tend to vent their anger. Maybe even through mass protests.
Now….what happens when, OK, if, several thousand people congregate in front of offices of local Administrators yelling thier demands? That could break the fear block on the “normies”. Can’t be allowed to happen.
The Admins will use force.
The real question is…what happens if…when, batons and water cannon can’t work?

You could be correct in “I wonder if the rank and file has the moral courage to do the right thing.”
But, at the same time, cops aren’t dumb. And, more importantly, among those protesters can, very likely, be their neighbors, even friends.

I know that the answer to that question can’t be found anywhere on DR. Probably nowhere in public. In fact, I am sure that TPTBs are working hard to get that answer as we speak. So far they’ve shown an excellent forward-thinking and execution of that. “We” failed. Miserably.
Maybe…just maybe..next time “we” could do better. Three months from now?!

Not holding my breath, of course.

If enough people disobey the counterfeit authority of Newsom with regard to the lockdown and associated edicts, he and his minions will not be able to do anything about it! If he reacts with more extended violence, well, we’ll have to decide what to do at that point. Chances are that he will be forced to do nothing

The crux of all this, even on a global scale, applied locally.

Maybe, just maybe, a couple of guys here could try to think about:
WHEN the pain of economic..ahm…recession…hits the middle class in the West (some say in three months) will it go as planned as TPTBs or not? So far it’s been simply beautiful from their point of view. BUT, the real pain still hasn’t hit. The fear of the…ahm…. plague still overshadows, at the moment, the fear of living in poverty.

Or, the ONLY question that really interests me in all this plandemic is: will TPTBs be capable to use force against the protesters?
Or, more accurately: do the top of the Administrator class. locally, in the West, have the guts to order security services to open fire?
And, do the rank and especially the file, have the guts to execute (pun intended) the order?

In my book, all hinges on that.
Don’t have the full answer, although have some ideas about how all that will roll out.

Best expose on the current times…

On this …site.
I’ve, actually, heard, in person, pretty much the same about three months ago from a youngish man.

Still some variables are not exposed.

Would you, please, expand on that?

The issue is huge, and growing.

Agree.
Any (online) place some of us could learn bit more about it?

Another, tiny, voice of reason in all this lunacy around:

“Our” lunacy I mean.
“They” are smart.

The virus is natural. The CCP elites are using it in exactly the same way the USG and EU elites are. Both financial systems and economies were clearly crashing beginning in early September. Now the elites get to blame all the troubles on a virus (which isn’t actually killing anyone in interesting numbers). Absent the WuFlu they’d all risk getting strung up pretty soon. Now instead of being called out for the decade+ of ineptitude that lead to a collapsing global bubble economy, they get to be praised as heroes that saved everyone from dying.

Yep.

Plus, imposing more controls on the willing public.

Good play.

Compliments to the author.

Rare voice of (alt) reason in all this around us. Therapeutic, but irrelevant.

All the rest got in the step with MSM/TPTBs. Authors and…ahm…”thinkers” I mean.
The masses…..

Still, perhaps, there is some hope.
At the moment all this circus is simply inconveniencing the proles. A bit of circuses got affected but not really breads. And that is what this exercise is, IMHO, all about.
The BIG “correction”.

“We”, O.K. some of “us”, have been talking (when allowed, naturally…..) about SHTF and the 2.nd.
Well…..maybe the test is coming sooner than we thought.

Oh, BTW, I have a feeling “we” will fail that test as we failed this one , miserably, so far.

a fairly successful exercise in manipulation of the masses. I just wonder how long they’ll keep it up. A few weeks, or a month or two maybe, in each country.

Until the “economic correction” settles in.
Most of controls stay in place, of course, for more people on the bottom.

Until next time that is, when they may turn it up just a little more.

Yes. With more controls for even more people on the bottom.

You’ve been around longer on UR so maybe you know better.

Took me some time, plus, it wasn’t that way even at the start of the last year. But, later on it started, finely tuned of course but with sharp increase in December last year. Understandable.

As I said I’ve had a few commenters complain that they have been banned outright by certain authors on their threads, but not that certain viewpoints were verboten across the board.

Not that crude, at least not until December. Just fine, fine tuning type approach. Very subtle; very good. Understandable too.

Now you’ve got me intrigued what it may be that is anathema on UR.

Well, I am sure you could figure it out. If/when you do it no need to spell it out here. “They” don’t spell all what they think and know here, or anywhere; “we” could try to do the same. Learn from the winners.

Hahahahaha……….

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/15/economy/federal-reserve/index.html

Beautiful.
Not because “they” are playing us up; because how dumb “we” all are.

Oh, BTW, the article by David Goldman.
Hilarious.

Compliments to Mr. Paul.

Nice to see, for a change, that some authors on the “alt” do posses that combination of rational thinking, moral compass and fundamental courage.

Rarity today.

No wonder Brits have been masters of diplomacy.

People from “down under” tend to be more direct.

There IS censorship here. Certain ideas and viewpoints are not allowed. “Moderation” along that line increased in intensity around the end of the last year.
It’s done with skill, which is expected.
Makes all the sense, BTW.

Make of that what you will.

Though I think I know what’s meant by the above, I’d rather hear it from you. So, could you elaborate?

Gladly.
The quote from the comment of The Grim Joker from the thread “The Great Chinese Bat Flu Panic of 2020” describes the…ahm…rational part of it:

…My conclusion based on extensive research, and in-depth study and irrefutable evidence is that the majority of the population are simpletons, morons, retarded and complete asses and idiots and lack not the slightest bit of sense. Whatever shit is shovelled their way they eagerly slurp it up. People have lost their ability to think and reason.

Our ancestors “uneducated” as they were would never have bought into the garbage that is bandied about today masquerading as news and information….

Even more importantly, the irrational part: cowardice.

Such people are incapable of confronting TPTBs.

So, as to

I still think you’re overestimating TPTB.

that’s fine.
I think you are overestimating “us”.

The Pyrrhic Victory Of The Hostile Elite.

Because their rise to power has been in direct proportion to the collapse of the very social institutions that power controls.

let’s agree to disagree and move on.

Agree…….

As for

…I have my doubts that the masses will see through this farce to rise against the growing totalitarianism but he may have other ideas.

looking at all this panic around doesn’t look promising.

That’s the fundamental problem. No amount of intelligence, education and experience/expertise can help if there is no courage.
The third element in METT-T is……oh my.
(Un)fortunately, that’s the PRIMARY conclusion I am drawing from this exercise.

So far, anyway.
Really hoping to be proved wrong but not holding my breath.

Censorship on this site is ramping up. My two latest comments showed for a bit and then got lost in limbo.
Not bad.

Let’s see will this one go through……

…why it isn’t working like a charm at all.

Let’s see the end result of this exercise:
The system got its required, necessary, reset. Good to go for the next decade or so.
More controls by TPTBs on general populace. Related less freedom for general populace.
Plenty of proles lost their jobs, homes etc. Fat cats gained, as always.

And last, but definitely not least, the general populace showed it’s true character. TPTBs really don’t need to fear anything for the foreseeable future.

Well….I was/am hoping for a bit more specific answer.

So far the execution of the agenda has been just annoying.
I guess we are, still, in the testing phase. Round of panic input, round of squeeze.

Now, “they” have touched a bit of circuses but, still, not breads, really. THAT is what will, IMHO, literally make or break the exercise.

I have a vague feeling “they” are on the clock here. That makes all this a bit dangerous, but, at the same time, promising.
I mean, for ages “we” have been waiting for SHTF scenario. Well….could be coming within months now.

Looking at the ‘alt’ sphere doesn’t look promising. True, most writers are retirees, and breads are still OK.

Interesting times.

The pandemic has morphed into a massive psychological operation beyond what most people are routinely exposed to.

Yep….

So far works perfectly. Masses, in West, ARE in panic mode.

Any idea what’s the real intention behind it?

…destablizing that it totally disrupts economic activity, which, presumably is the whole point of what they’re all about.

Actually, the point is about “market correction” necessary for the system to go on. Boom/bust circle thing. Time for the “bust”.

How to do it?
a)Admit that system isn’t quite O.K?
b)Admit that the checks and balances done after 2008 are incorrect?
And all that in the current social-political climate, when the proles ARE asking some questions?
No way.
c) Use a flu strain and PUMP IT UP. When the economy “corrects” itself the virus will take all the blame. And, of course, as a bonus, more system control will be imposed on societies.

Now, you tell me it’s not working like charm?

There is one thing I am trying to figure out.
Some projections are that the “crunch” will result in 0.5 % GDP growth this year. Now….what that exactly means, for a common “deplorable”, is something I am trying to picture.
Or…how much of job loss, mortgage defaulting, loss of spending power….etc….it will be?
In simple terms: what will the cost of recession for us little guys?
I know it won’t hurt the top.

Yep….

Especially

…My conclusion based on extensive research, and in-depth study and irrefutable evidence is that the majority of the population are simpletons, morons, retarded and complete asses and idiots and lack not the slightest bit of sense. Whatever shit is shovelled their way they eagerly slurp it up. People have lost their ability to think and reason.

Our ancestors “uneducated” as they were would never have bought into the garbage that is bandied about today masquerading as news and information….

Majority..never.

Minority…. when loss of job/income/property dampens their fear of death. Then they’ll start asking right questions, and, more importantly, be able to listen to correct answers. Too late, of course.

Rowe was, IS, right:
“We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

“They are good”. “We” are……oh my.

That’s why “they” rule us, and “we” type on forums.

…..needed something to hide behind while they reconfigure things. Now they have something to blame any pain and misery on….

….Oh, and of course, more grabs of wealth and power from We the People…..

Yep.

Now that being said, there is zero doubt that something big is afoot! And that whatever the case may be, it is all being done with extreme intention. That is obvious.
Whether this op is sinister or not? Well as good book teaches us to do, I’ll judge by the fruits that spring forth once the dust settles.

How about “recession”? Hard one.

Say, for the sake of conversation, that “they” realized sometime in the middle of 2019 that, in order to preserve the current paradigm, “market correction” was necessary. And, it has to be done in a way that masses don’t get any funny ideas about the paradigm itself. Or the rulers of it.
Or, in practical terms: lay off tons of people, make them lose their property/savings/whatever…pretty much crash their lives…BUT…that’s not because “we” are too greedy and the system is rigged. People could get…unmanageable.
The crash must not point to “us” or the system itself.

Enter the virus.

Now….when the masses do lose their jobs, property, homes…etc….they’ll blame the virus, not “us” or the system. They’ll blame CPP too. Nice.
And, even better: all those controls we impose to …ahm…control the pandemic…will be handy to handle those who don’t go with the program. For example..hehe…we won’t have any mass protests.
Deplatforming will work for Internet.

All good.
For “us”, of course.

So, re “I’ll judge by the fruits that spring forth ” probably “grapes” from the Steinbeck novel. Some version of it anyway.

Something like

Coronavirus theme is not the war issue.
Using the threat of “Coronaviruses” is to exsufflate of the World inflation bloated by International Banking Sector, yet at the same time, it is the “Wall Street project” to prevent the recurrence of 2008 crisis.

Not prevent. Manage.

The only contrary evidence seems to be the odd behavior of China, which is indeed strange.

Not necessarily.

If their economic growth is slowing down they can’t blame it on the system. Party is always right.

Enter the virus.

Plus, such systems have a tendency to overreact. At the expense of lower strata of society, of course.
It would be interesting to see, exactly, how many high level apparatchiks died from the virus.
I suspect none.

If this all blows over as it appears likely to, and as all the similar scares have done

we will have learnt nothing, as before.

This exercise just proved some, uncomfortable, facts.

Agree, overall.

As for

Do you mean this is all being used to scare us, fool us, or steer the herd in a different direction?
with
My thinking is they had to find a way to shut down China’s manufacturing because the globalists hugely increased their inventories ahead of Trump’s tariffs. Demand slowed down, and now they have a huge supply to get rid of. If you’re interested in a different theory, see my response to Paul Craig Roberts’ new article on Unz.

how about “addressing hard recession”?

Let’s say that “they” simply saw the hard recession was coming. Question: how to manage that, or, better, how to manage the herd? “We” sold them last time (2008) that “we” found the way to fix it; wouldn’t happen again. And, yet, it’s happening. Herd could start asking wrong questions.

Enter the virus.

Economy “contracting”, markets “correcting”….herd losing jobs,homes etc. ….isn’t about faulty system, no, no.
It’s simply the virus doing. And, on top of it, it came from China. With sprinkling of Iran. Those two countries (regimes, mind you, not people) just appear to be ….somehow wrong. Maybe the world should do something about it? Even by force if necessary?

And, the last but not the least, to manage all that “we” have, unfortunately of course, to introduce all sorts of rules and laws. All of them giving “us” more control over the herd.

Nice, a?

Where, then?

WNs? Productive talk?
Nowhere in public.

Definitely not here.

It’s time to talk to people around us in real life. In private. And, very carefully.

You wish to get answers to those questions HERE?!?

Even start talking about it?!?

Oh boy.

The whole thing is a colossal load of click bait shit with people lining up to bite.

Not quite.

It’s a very useful tool/method out of a very good reason (for some) and with definite purpose.
So far, IMHO, it’s been working as charm.

Yep….remember noticing that very post (with a comment on it).

So, the angle is that WNs simply aren’t smart enough to get the game here.
The majority, sure.

Some got it, though.

Overall, it’s good to see all that.

When it is all over people will realize they have been dicked once again by the media.

More likely they’ll forget all this in a week, and eat the same again when it happens in due time.

For all our so called technical sophistication this generation is as dumb as ever !

Yep.

“Corona deniers” thing coming soon.

I haven’t heard much about the Hong Kong protests since the demolition of some hospital soon after the Coronavirus was announced. Are they still on the streets?

“Since January, street protests have been almost completely halted to avoid the concentration of large crowds under the coronavirus crisis.” and “de-escalated”.

Surprisingly coronavirus hasn’t reached Montenegro yet.

Ah, well, you see, there is the problem of, say, an “AK” there. Not the owner of this blog; the famous Russian who invented the thing.

It’s one thing to pull the “virus” thing on an unarmed population; quite another in country/culture armed to the teeth. Hard to operate “antivirus” teams under mortar fire in the Balkan mountains in winter.

Compliments.

I am sure that a lot of guys here realized what you are saying but, for some reason, don’t want to spell it out.

Care to, maybe, take on what that reason might be?

Of course I meant such events, real or faked, could serve the globalist agenda east or west.

Yes.
Not necessarily globalist only, though; ANY top layer of the power structure.

This China thing is clear, from both The Empire and Beijing perspective. They both like all this, well, at least at the moment. The later will be liking it less and less in time. Interesting article on Zerohedge about “three months”. A bit over the top, as normal for that site, but still.

Iranian thing is interesting.

My take: Tehran is feeling the regime is getting vulnerable. The common people feel, hard, the results of sanctions and overall pressure. They must be pacified.
Enter the “virus”. It’s so terrible that even the minister of health got it. It must be acted upon. Decisively.

Perfect.

Yep.

I wouldn’t put all the blame on the “Bad West”, though. The rulers of Chine don’t much mind all that either.

And of Iran, looks like it. I mean, FFS, the minister of health!?

Dumb, but works.

Great………

Is the Chinese Government using the Corona outbreak as a cover for some other purpose?

Definitely.

Iranian too.

Related to trade war/sanctions I feel.

The bottom line, everybody on top wins, in this game.Say….up to 20 %.
The rest are designated losers. Lower in the pyramid worse it is.

The elderly underclass in particular.

Good gig…for some. So far works like charm.

So Jews are very influential in the US, what else is new?

For you, and almost all of (thinking/writing) Serbs, nothing new. Just nothing.

For some of us watching from aside what’s been happening to your people this time, just another little confirmation of some, say, interesting things.

Let’s move on.

Yeah……..

If/when you read up about “interesting people”, say, on Wikipedia, as for example Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Ben Bernanke, Martin Baron and Sheldon Adelson, you see them as Americans and not “something” else.

You buy this quote

Martin Baron (born October 24, 1954) is an American journalist

and simply disregard this one:

Baron was born to a Jewish family in Tampa, Florida.[2] His parents immigrated from Israel.

Or see this:

Sheldon Gary Adelson (pronounced /ˈædəlsən/; born August 4, 1933) is an American business magnate, investor, philanthropist, and political donor.

But not:

His father’s family was of Ukrainian Jewish and Lithuanian Jewish ancestry.

You probably interact with a lot of people like you. Serbs who at least try to think what’s going on about. I guess they think/feel the same.
That’s O.K.

Promising, by the way. Not necessarily for your side, of course.

….Concerning “them”, we could argue that “they” have been in power to influence the Balkan theater of the world since the Anglo-Saxon powers took over the world domination game..

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My point exactly.
Something Serbs are, apparently, unable to grasp, for SOME reason(s).

…Jasenovac and the whole WWII experience also has a part in it,..

Feels that way.

One interesting hypothesis for the lack of Serbian anti-Semitism isn’t the “uncomfortable” part of it(Serbs, after all waged a “mini-World War” against NATO, and feel no shame about it), but rather that the the whole inherently anti-Semitic Christian mythology has been replaced by Kosovo mzthos and national mythology within the Serbian national character(Branković replaced Judas, Kniaz Lazar replaced Jesus etc.)

An interesting point.
I still stand by “Jasenovac and 800 000”. Awfully similar to “Auschwitz and 6 000 000”. Or, the latest one, “Srebrenica and 8000”.

It’s interesting to watch that the disputing the first is met with extreme hostility by Serb side (those who actually do think, mind you). At the same time, the third is also met with plenty of hostility, for opposite reason, naturally.
The second appears rather fixed as it is. I wonder, not, who benefits from it.
Not Serbs, looks like it.

Yep.

He does get “them” and even, carefully, spells them out.
Really carefully, of course, because he knows his main audience. That one incapable, obviously, to see the reality of the last 30 years.
Perhaps in….say….10….they’ll start to get it.
Not holding my breath.

1. most Serbs live in a fantasy world-view with Vatican inc. as the chief enemy & fiction history.

Looks like it.
Then it’s Germany. Then British. Then Americans.
Never “them”.

2. most lower-middle class Serbs blame Jews as archetypal globalists (Soros etc.), so they’re misojudaistically conspiratorial in their outlook

Interesting. Source/links?

3. on the other hand, their elites (if this is the word) would like to jump in the victimhood wagon with Jews, so there are efforts by their intellectuals (historians, literary theorists, writers, ..) to forge ties with Israel & Jews as such, in the role of Victims-United-Emotional-Blackmail industry.

Yep.
One would expect them to reassess that effort after OBVIOUSLY not working since, say, 91. Rational people would do it.
In this case……………………………….