RSSThe hysterization of the American people regarding Germany would have been made easier by the lingering effects of the demonization of the German people from during the WWI. Such demonization is common during the war. You can’t really expect your soldiers to shoot the enemy if you tell them “The enemy are nice people, just like us.”.
Someone was arranging something, but who?
The book “Witness” describes how influential the Soviet agents had become in the US media and in the US government. On the other hand FDR seems to have been a socialist (from the same book). I believe that it is completely possible that some NKVD disinformation operation in the US media made the US people hysterical regarding Germany (like the “Roosevelt Conspired to Start World War II in Europe” describes), and in the German media they made the German people hysterical regarding the Jews.
That wouldn’t have even been difficult, as the local journalists were usually pro-workers and pro-union, just like the Soviets pretended to be. Many of the local journalists were Jews with connections to Soviet Union and they were prone to falling for the Soviet propaganda. The Soviet Union would have appeared like a natural ally and someone to be trusted to those journalists.
(We see today similar operations in the US where Russians are trying to make whites and blacks hate each other, only to create chaos).
Again, this scenario would agree with Victor Suvorov’s theory, that Stalin wanted war in the Western Europe, and that he was preparing to “liberate” the whole Europe.
Our history is fake history. Unfortunately we will know the real history only when someone with no ideology will do some cold headed research. I do not foresee that happening in the near future.
Germany had lost territories, and my understanding is that those territories were still inhabited by Germans. Losing territories is extremely traumatic for any country, so in a way I understand Germany wanting them back. Even US got their territories in the Aleutian Islands back from Japan, I did not hear them saying “You can take them, don’t worry”.
BTW, losing Poland, Finland, Bessarabia, the Baltic countries, should not have been traumatic for Russia, Russia had not business occupying those countries/territories in the first place.
That's correct.
Germany had lost territories, and my understanding is that those territories were still inhabited by Germans.
In regards to Poland, the fact of the matter is that the Polish state created after WW1 had totally inappropriate and unsustainable borders, so much so that it was involved in territorial conflict with all is neighbors( Soviets, Germans, Lithuanians and Czechs ).
"(US president) Wilson proclaimed self-determination as a great principle—and then gave away chunks of German-speaking Europe to Czechoslovakia, Poland, Italy and France, sowing the seeds of the next war.
Knowing that Austria favored a union with Germany after Vienna lost its empire, Wilson wrote into the Treaty of Versailles an article barring the union, no matter how the Austrians voted.[...]"
Woodrow Wilson on 7 April 1919:
Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, during the Paris negotiations:
“I tell you once more, we would never have thought of giving to Poland a province that had not been Polish for the last 900 years…
The proposal of the Polish Commission that we should place 2,100,000 Germans under the control of a people which is of a different religion and which has never proved its capacity for stable self-government throughout its history, must, in my judgment, lead sooner or later to a new war in the East of Europe...” 11)
“France is not so much concerned with what is important to Poland, rather the French position is determined solely by the aim of weakening Germany.”12)
“To surround Germany with small states, many of which are composed of peoples that have never governed themselves and that comprise large numbers of Germans who are demanding reunion with their homeland, such plans would be, it seems to me, a breeding ground for the most terrible reason for a future war.” 13)
“I was as sincere an advocate of Polish independence as any member of the Commission, but I was convinced that to add to Poland populations which would be an alien and hostile element inside its boundaries would be a source of permanent weakness and danger and not of strength to this resurrected State.
I knew that a time would come when Germany would respond to the cry of its exiled people and restore them to the Fatherland by force of arms.
For that reason I renewed my pressure in the conference to reject the recommendations which incorporated in Poland towns and territories which were overwhelmingly German by language, race and inclination...” 14)
U.S. Secretary of State, Robert Lansing, remarked on 8 May 1919:
“France’s only real interest in Poland was to weaken Germany by giving the Poles areas to which they had no claim.” 15)
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“Do examine the treaty and you will find that whole populations, against their will, were delivered into the power of those who hated them, while their economic resources were snatched away and handed over to others. The result of such directives has to be hatred and bitterness, if not despair. It may take years until these oppressed nations are able to shake off the yoke, but as sure as night follows day, the time will come when they will try to break free. We have a peace-treaty, but it will not bring lasting peace, as it was founded on the quicksand of selfishness.” 16)
...In dealing with Danzig, they granted it to Poland because of economic considerations. They conveniently overlooked the fact that, from the viewpoint of population, Danzig was 97 per cent German. ...
To the Germans this large measure of Polish control over the city of Danzig was profoundly irritating, and at times the actions of the Polish authorities in connection with foreign relations and the establishment of export duties seemed unnecessarily provocative.
From the viewpoint of economics, Polish control over Danzig had the most serious implications. By altering the customs tariff Poland could seriously affect the trade of the port, and, through control of the railroads of the free city, the Polish government could extend important favors to the competing port of Gdingen.26 ...
... In 1938 and 1939 Hitler tried in vain to secure from the Polish government the right to construct a railroad and motor road across the Corridor. Relying upon British support, the Polish Foreign Office, in the spring of 1939, rejected any thought of granting these concessions. This action so deeply angered Hitler that he began to sound out the Soviet government with reference to a treaty that would mean the fourth partition of Poland. Polish diplomats had not learned the simple lesson that concessions may prevent a catastrophe.
Maybe Hitler wasn’t that smart. Maybe he did not understand that Stalin was just using him. Maybe he was to proud to do it. It is hard for us to know exactly. It seems that in the beginning Hitler trusted Stalin, maybe he thought that Stalin will rush to save him.
But the speech of Neville Chamberlain that I am reading says nothing about 2 days, it says less than 12 hours to be ready for withdrawal, whatever that means.
“This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government a final note stating that unless we heard from them by 11 o’clock, that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us.
I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Germany. ”
“That is an interesting theory. I know they were supposed to attack at the same time and Germans thought they would, but is there an reason to think that Germany would not have ended up with a war against France and England? ”
My understanding is that the French and British guarantee extended to Poland only against an attack from Germany. Other than that, an alliance of France and Great Britain would have been to weak to declare war to both Germany and USSR at the same time. Therefore very probably they would have not declared war if both Germany and USSR were invading Poland at the same time.
But Stalin wanted war in Western Europe. Therefore he stood back, he allowed France and the Great Britain to declare the war against Germany, then prepared his troops to attack Germany in the back while the German forces were busy fighting against the British forces. His plan had been all along to liberate the “proletariat” all the way to Atlantic.
Those that Stalin “recovered” were not Russian lost territories. Stalin ended “recovering” more than what Russia had ever occupied before anyway. And he wanted to “recover” all the way to Atlantic. Anything wrong with that? Not if you are Russian, yes if you are a native of on one of those territories.
Hitler and Stalin were supposed to attack Poland at the same time. If that had happened, France and the Great Britain would have not declared war to Germany, and there would have been no World War 2.
Unfortunately Stalin wanted Germany at war against the Great Britain and France, so that USSR could attack Germany in the back and “liberate” (or in other words conquer), the whole Europe all the way to the Atlantic.
Therefore, he delayed his attack in Poland by 2 weeks, time in which the World War 2 had started.
Why Hitler attacked Poland? Maybe he wanted to recover the lost German territories, or maybe Stalin convinced him somehow.
But it is clear to me that Stalin pulled the strings. The only time Hitler outsmarted Stalin was when he attacked USSR first.
USSR was armed to the teeth, and they were researching and building weapons for at least a decade. That was a huge investment for a poor country. The Soviets were not stupid, they knew that the weapons will be obsolete within a few years if not used. It is clear to me that they were prepared to use them at any costs. Without the war between Germany and France and the Great Britain, they would have attacked first anyway.