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    Question-- Why is mortality in Scotland higher in 2021 than 2020? Answer-- Because more people are dying. And the reason more people are dying is because more people have been vaccinated. In other words, there's a link between rising mortality and the Covid-19 vaccine. Question-- You can't prove that. Answer-- You're right, I can't. The...
  • @another fred
    The problem with believing that this is a depopulation attempt is that the vaccine is killing the wrong people - the compliant, and allowing mavericks to survive.

    But if in a few years, AFTER they have worked out the technology to mass produce effective vaccines quickly, a really lethal virus gets loose, then the compliant will survive and the mavericks will die.

    You are not thinking this through.

    Replies: @another fred, @aleksander, @clickkid

    That would depend on the reason for depopulation, if that is indeed what it is.

    If those planning it were worried about resource constraints with raw materials, then the compliance factor wouldn’t matter. It would purely be a matter of quantities, with the qualification that it would be better to depopulate countries with currently higher GNP, as they use the most resources.

    Your argument assumes that the reason for depopulation would be to consolidate political power. In which case compliance would be a factor,

  • @Peter Frost
    In Scotland, life expectancy has been either declining or not increasing since 2015 -- well before the pandemic and the COVID-19 vaccines. This trend has been documented by the Scottish Public Health Observatory:

    From around 2012-14, the rate of improvement in life expectancy and mortality has become substantially slower, with life expectancy falling in 2015-7 (and in 2016-8 for women). This development is almost without precedent and requires urgent action.
     
    https://www.scotpho.org.uk/population-dynamics/recent-mortality-trends/

    There is no consensus on the cause. This trend seems to be affecting all causes of death, although circulatory causes are a major factor. Another factor is that people who were young back in the 1980s are now entering late adulthood, but they are still living a high-risk youth lifestyle.

    I suppose my two cents won't impress most of the commenters here. Some people just want evidence to prove their pre-existing views.

    Replies: @botazefa, @clickkid

    It isn’t just that all cause mortality is rising.

    The graph of Scottish mortality in the article shows mortality for the different age groups. There is clearly a rippling effect. With time the injections programme moved down through the age groups, and we can see that mortality rates turned up one after the other as the injections began in younger and younger age groups.

    Thus demonstrating a clear temporal relationship between the injections and rising mortality – per age group.

    Your argument does not explain this.

  • During most of the last year theories regarding the origins of Covid, whether conspiratorial or otherwise, had disappeared from the public debate, pushed aside by the nationwide Black Lives Matter protests and the final stages of the heated presidential campaign. In early January, prominent liberal author and public intellectual Nicholson Baker had tried to revive...
  • “If thousands of Americans had become infected with Covid by mid-2019, the total would have reached many tens of millions by the end of the year..”

    Germany had 1.76 million ‘cases’ in 2020 with no impact on overall mortality.

    [MORE]

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4tzAUQX0AIOvWv?format=jpg&name=4096×4096

    Sars-Cov-2 was very likely present in those countries where blood samples and waste waster analysis indicates it was present – in 2019. The reason it wasn’t conspicuous is because it had no effect on overall mortality – as the German data shows.

    In my opinion the mortality spikes witnessed in March/April of 2020 are much more easily explained by the social and economic dislocation of lockdown and associated measures. This is supported by the strong positive correlation between the severity of lockdown measures and the death rate in the period immediately following the imposition of lockdown, and also by the narrow and sharp mortality curve, which differs completely from the slowly developing hump of mortality typically seen as an infection moves organically through a population.

    Robert Henderson, who led the effort to eradicate smallpox, wrote this:

    “Experience has shown that communities faced with epidemics or other adverse events respond best and with the least anxiety when the normal social functioning of the community is least disrupted. Strong political and public health leadership to provide reassurance and to ensure that needed medical care services are provided are critical elements. If either is seen to be less than optimal, a manageable epidemic could move toward catastrophe.”

    https://www.aier.org/article/how-a-free-society-deals-with-pandemics-according-to-legendary-epidemiologist-and-smallpox-eradicator-donald-henderson/

    This is exactly what happened in March/April 2020.

    I agree with Ron Unz that ‘something else’ very likely happened in Iran.

  • There's a chance that the coronavirus will be contained in the United States and that fewer people will be infected than in China or Iran. But there's also a possibility that the highly-contagious virus will spread and that there will be sporadic outbreaks across the country. If this latter scenario takes place, then the ructions...
  • ” By that time, Wall Street could be a pile of smoldering rubble.”

    Thanks for ending on a positive note.

    • Replies: @Neoconned
    @clickkid

    I highly doubt it'll get that bad. Corona will peter out in a few months to a year. Interest rates are so low investors are practically giving companies and the government(s) money for FREE.....

    In such an environment of low interest rates the stock buyback machine that has been fueling the stock market surge(basically by creating Japanese style "zombie corporations" saddled with unpayable debt but low interest rates that allow plodding to continue) will continue unabated. The only thing that will stop the surge will be a move to say some asset class like bitcoin.....and that will force governments to go ape sh-t in taxes, capital controls, etc to stop capital from flowing OUT of the economy and into other assets....meaning out of the dollar and dollar-backed assets....

    WE may have some kind of 1987 style crash but over the next few years the long term trends will stay the same and we'll see asset values continue their climb -- they have to -- and or things go totally apesh-t.....Trump and the rest of the powers that be simply put won't allow it. They'll print into armageddon and prop asset values up.....deflation is a b-tch.....when hyperinflation finally comes the reaper comes with it but that's probably 20-30 years out yet.

  • Hyperbolic much? At this point, the burden of proof surely now has to be on the optimists, who've been alternately barraging us with "iTs JuSt LiKe ThE fLu", and/or "it's not going to kill non-East Asians anyway" (not that CNN's Sanjay Gupta will admit it). But with epidemics, it's usually a case of go big...
  • @Ron Unz
    @Daniel Chieh


    China has already demonstrated a much better response than most governments in its ability to contain the virus, so your rambles are quite misplaced. The US response, for example, is for the CDC is stumble around in confusion....In the end, China might end up demonstrating if anything, that it has that is fully capable of acting decisively and effectively in a disaster in comparison to rivals.
     
    Consider a particularly ironic outcome of this situation, not particularly likely but certainly possible...

    Everyone knows that America's ruling elites are criminal, crazy, and also extremely incompetent.

    So perhaps the coronavirus outbreak was indeed a deliberate biowarfare attack against China, hitting that nation just before Lunar New Year, the worst possible time to produce a permanent nationwide pandemic. However, the PRC responded with remarkable speed and efficiency, implementing by far the largest quarantine in human history, and the deadly disease now seems to be in decline there.

    Meanwhile, the disease naturally leaks back into the US, and despite all the advance warning, our totally incompetent government mismanages the situation, producing a huge national health disaster, and the collapse of our economy and decrepit political system.

    As I said, not particularly likely, but certainly a very fitting end to the American Empire...

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @clickkid, @John Arthur, @Richard B, @S

    Yes!

    One senses a palpable feeling of deep frustration amongst the American – and other – China-bashers that this has been such a formidable and breathtaking response by the Government and People of China.

    They twist and they spin every statement and every action, in order to score propaganda points.

    They say that in Mandarin the character for ‘opportunity’ is the same as the character for ‘crisis’. I don’t know if that’s true, but it could well turn out that the one of the most lasting impressions of this crisis for the watching world will be how well China’s system dealt with it. Should this virus spread through Europe and America in the coming months, then we shall all come to a better appreciation of that.

    Let’s see how the West copes with Covid-19.

    • Agree: Robjil, Seraphim
    • Replies: @thetruth
    @clickkid

    “They say that in Mandarin the character for ‘opportunity’ is the same as the character for ‘crisis’. I don’t know if that’s true, ”

    In Chinese, ‘crisis’ and ‘opportunity’ are two different Characters, used together, as an expression. pronounced as Wei Ji. So Crisis can also be used as an opportunity. China will definitely use this Covid-19 crisis as an opportunity. just wait and see.

  • @Daniel Chieh
    @prime noticer


    well, they might, but not because they’re smarter. they are so very clearly technologically inferior and societally backwards. they’re smart enough to be dangerous. that’s about it.

     

    China has already demonstrated a much better response than most governments in its ability to contain the virus, so your rambles are quite misplaced. The US response, for example, is for the CDC is stumble around in confusion.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/25/cdc-coronavirus-test/

    While South Korea has run more than 35,000 coronavirus tests, the United States has tested only 426 people, not including people who returned on evacuation flights. Only about a dozen state and local laboratories can now run tests outside of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta because the CDC kits sent out nationwide earlier this month included a faulty component.
     
    In the end, China might end up demonstrating if anything, that it has that is fully capable of acting decisively and effectively in a disaster in comparison to rivals.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @SomeoneInAsia

    China has already demonstrated a much better response than most governments in its ability to contain the virus, so your rambles are quite misplaced. The US response, for example, is for the CDC is stumble around in confusion….In the end, China might end up demonstrating if anything, that it has that is fully capable of acting decisively and effectively in a disaster in comparison to rivals.

    Consider a particularly ironic outcome of this situation, not particularly likely but certainly possible…

    Everyone knows that America’s ruling elites are criminal, crazy, and also extremely incompetent.

    So perhaps the coronavirus outbreak was indeed a deliberate biowarfare attack against China, hitting that nation just before Lunar New Year, the worst possible time to produce a permanent nationwide pandemic. However, the PRC responded with remarkable speed and efficiency, implementing by far the largest quarantine in human history, and the deadly disease now seems to be in decline there.

    Meanwhile, the disease naturally leaks back into the US, and despite all the advance warning, our totally incompetent government mismanages the situation, producing a huge national health disaster, and the collapse of our economy and decrepit political system.

    As I said, not particularly likely, but certainly a very fitting end to the American Empire…

    • Agree: clickkid
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Ron Unz

    Another exhibit for the Amero-pessimism case.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1232443837777244160

    Replies: @Hail

    , @clickkid
    @Ron Unz

    Yes!

    One senses a palpable feeling of deep frustration amongst the American - and other - China-bashers that this has been such a formidable and breathtaking response by the Government and People of China.

    They twist and they spin every statement and every action, in order to score propaganda points.

    They say that in Mandarin the character for 'opportunity' is the same as the character for 'crisis'. I don't know if that's true, but it could well turn out that the one of the most lasting impressions of this crisis for the watching world will be how well China's system dealt with it. Should this virus spread through Europe and America in the coming months, then we shall all come to a better appreciation of that.

    Let's see how the West copes with Covid-19.

    Replies: @thetruth

    , @John Arthur
    @Ron Unz

    I think the whole thing is somewhat overstated

    I think all the empirical evidence showcases that the Wuhan government bungled the response immensely, hiding information of the Coronavirus until it was too late.

    But virtually all the other local and the national Chinese governments did an exceptional job with containing the virus, especially Xi Jinping's leadership. I think college students are going to study the rapid response of the National Government in future textbooks on crisis mamagement. Therefore the non-Wuhan areas had low levels of coronavirus.

    In addition, outside of Iran, which isn't really that competent, the only areas to have a substantial number of coronavirus cases are areas with a massive legal/illegal Chinese population.

    America has some 50 cases, but has the largest Chinese
    diaspora of 6 million Chinese and the largest in overall travel with China. Now maybe the real number of cases is substantially higher, but I really doubt that. Given the absolute hammering South Korea, Italy, and Japan are having, America seems pretty good, given its demographics.

    I can't predict what is going to happen next, but I think countries like India and Bangladesh are going to be annihilated by this virus.

    Also, the bioweapon meme seems kinda dumb to me. America's East Asian population is vastly overrepresented in our Technology and Bureaucracy fields, and are very responsible for even our Deep State. They hold a *huge* chunk of America on our shoulders, including the federal gov. If such a thing was deliberate by America, wouldn't that destroy the Federal Government as well? Wouldn't some Chinese/Korean/Japanese/Vietnamese in the higher up know what was going on and spill the truth? Even our bioweapons industry is probably disproportionately East Asian, wouldn't some East Asian realize their work is being used to kill someone? If America was releasing a bioweapon to kill your Chinese grandmother, you would probably speak up.

    Then again, the Military Games coincidence is absolutely fascinating, and it is amazing the media does not pick up on that. Did someone check if any of the other country participants got infected as well? If so, then I think it settles it...

    Replies: @John Arthur

    , @Richard B
    @Ron Unz


    As I said, not particularly likely, but certainly a very fitting end to the American Empire…
     
    Agreed.

    But a more appropriate, more accurate name for it than "American" would be

    The Empire of Jewish Supremacy Inc.

    I've said it before and will say it again, because it's worth repeating,


    Who needs a Conspiracy Theory when you have The Unz Review?
     
    , @S
    @Ron Unz


    So perhaps the coronavirus outbreak was indeed a deliberate biowarfare attack against China...However, the PRC responded with remarkable speed and efficiency...Meanwhile, the disease naturally leaks back into the US...producing a huge national health disaster, and the collapse of our economy and decrepit political system...As I said, not particularly likely, but certainly a very fitting end to the American Empire…
     
    As with most everybody else, I certainly hope there's nothing to that idea.

    Gotta say, it's remarkably like the plot of an old 1968 episode of Star Trek. On a parallel Earth, a biological war between the United States and Red China leaves the Chinese dominating the world, while a completely devolved United States is reduced to being just a couple of notches above being a nation of cave dwellers.

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qgVQW3AxwU4/VnKhgXQa7pI/AAAAAAAAKgg/6sIOjMKuJgk/s1600/tos-223-the-omega-glory%2B%252828%2529.png
    The Yangs

    'That which is ours, is ours again.'

    MCCOY: Yes. I'm convinced that once there was a frightening biological war that existed here...

    KIRK: If my ancestors were forced out of the cities into the deserts, the hills..

    SPOCK: Yes. I see, Captain. They would've learned to wear skins, adopted stoic mannerisms, learned the bow and the lance.

    KIRK: Living like the Indians, and finally even looking like the American Indian. American. Yangs? Yanks? Spock, Yankees!

    SPOCK: Kohms? Communists? The parallel is almost too close, Captain. It would mean they fought the war your Earth avoided, and in this case, the Asiatics won and took over this planet.

    KIRK: But if it were true, all these generations of Yanks fighting to regain their land.

    MCCOY: You're a romantic, Jim.
     
    http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/54.htm

    Replies: @S

  • The New Silk Roads – or Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) – were launched by President Xi Jinping in 2013, first in Central Asia (Nur-Sultan) and then Southeast Asia (Jakarta). One year later, the Chinese economy overtook the U.S. on a PPP basis. Inexorably, year after year since the start of the millennium, the U.S....
  • China’s strengths – especially in this situation;

    Strong political will of the central authority.

    Ability of that authority to declare something to be an absolute priority and then direct resources to it.

    Chinese culture values social responsibility higher than individual rights.

    China is actually a nation. Genetically related oeople with a common story, a common identity, going back 5000 years. America, by contrast,, is a collection of individuals from all over the world who just happen to live in the same legal jurisdiction.

    • Agree: follyofwar, Parfois1
    • Replies: @follyofwar
    @clickkid

    Escobar's essay is not that different from that of Metallicman, published on this site only a week or so ago. If some American madmen are behind this Coronavirus pandemic, and I pray they are not, there will be global war. No doubt Chinese leadership is planning its retribution even as I write.

    , @JohnPlywood
    @clickkid


    China is actually a nation. Genetically related oeople with a common story, a common identity, going back 5000 years
     
    Repeating this bullshit over and over again won't make it true.

    Replies: @Biff, @Rollmop, @Johnny Smoggins

    , @Adûnâi
    @clickkid


    Chinese culture values social responsibility higher than individual rights.
     
    Then how can you explain this social experiment which shows that the Chinese people never help their racial kinsmen in need? There are children and girls abducted right in public spaces, and nobody bats an eye!

    (Yes, it was conducted by the Formosans, and shared by an Eternal Anglo traitor from the Cape Colony.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz42BrlkBD8

    Replies: @Naill, @showmethereal

    , @another fred
    @clickkid


    Strong political will of the central authority.

    Ability of that authority to declare something to be an absolute priority and then direct resources to it.
     

    Radio Derb (always worth listening to) addressed this yesterday.

    To paraphrase, in short: the problem is that when they demonstrate that "strong will," it highlights the lack of freedom in China at a time when the natural impulse is to be unhappy in response to privation. He doubts, and I agree, that people are going to rally to the government, but rather carp about the pain - as humans always do.

    This could always be wrong. Perhaps the people will rally to the CCP, only time will tell. The week before, Derb reported that WeChat was buzzing with discussions that the USA was behind the virus, so it could fall either way. Neither seems pleasant.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    , @FvS
    @clickkid

    Just watch videos from China of their lackadaisical approach to workplace safety, their driving habits, or their escalator/elevator maintenance standards, and one will begin to see why human error is a very real possibility in this situation. China may use fancy infrastructure projects to maintain a facade of modernity, but they're not all the way there yet.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_safety_incidents_in_China
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-food-safety-idUSKBN14D046

    Replies: @Showmethereal

    , @Bill Jones
    @clickkid

    " America, by contrast,, is a collection of individuals from all over the world who just happen to live in the same legal jurisdiction."

    But it never started out that way.

  • Earlier: STILL No Non-East Asian Deaths From Corona—But CNN’s Sanjay Gupta Won’t Admit It STILL No Non-Chinese Deaths From Coronavirus, But The WASHINGTON POST Wants You To Rat Out Your Neighbors Do You Know All Coronavirus Victims Appear To Be Chinese? Thought Not! The racial dimension to the Corona virus has fascinated me since the...
  • Coronavirus STILL has killed any Whites (not counting Iranians or Italians):

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8031839/Coronavirus-kills-two-Italy.html

    • Replies: @Mishima Zaibatsu
    @clickkid

    I was about to say there is a fair sized Chinese population in Italy, then read your link and saw “Retired bricklayer Adriano Trevisan, 78, and an unidentified woman, 78”

  • [Portions of this article were drawn from various sources as cited. However, additional portions seem to have been quoted from Larry Romanoff at Global Research without proper citation.] It does seem farfetched, doesn’t it? That the United States will risk World War III, using nuclear weapons, by launching a coronavirus inside China during the 2020...
  • @clickkid
    It's highly unlikely that we, the public, will ever definitively have proof that this was an attack by the US government, its agents or proxies, on China. Certainly nothing that could be expected to hold up in any court of law. Courts of law - quite rightly - demand very solid evidence before someone is convicted. The government of China - and perhaps other states - will perhaps be able to gather enough evidence to be able to take a position on the cause of the epidemic, and may come to the conclusion that this was an attack


    In our personal lives we often have to make decisions, often the most important decisions, without any definitive proof that what we are doing or thinking is correct. We have to make a judgement call based on the balance of probabilities, or use our intuition (our gut feeling), which really means that we are using an unconscious process to weigh up the evidence that we do have.

    Here is a list of factors which I think should be taken into account in deciding (based on imperfect knowledge) whether this was an attack by the USA on China for geopolitical advantage.

    Does the virus show signs of being an artificial product?

    If different scientists have different views on this, is that a reflection of the scientists' source of income?

    Does the virus show signs of being ethnospecific or at least affecting East Asians much more than others?

    If you were planning a viral attack on China, what time of year would you choose?

    Was there foreknowledge? Was that Turkish tweet from 11th June 2019 just a stupid coincidence?

    Would US agencies technically be able to do this? Have they been researching biowarfare for decades?

    Is there evidence that US agencies have used bioweapons in the past?

    Does the expenditure of resources in research not imply that one would be ready to use the results of that research?

    Does not the PNAC Statement on ethnically specific bioweapons imply that powerful individuals within the US Establishment are ready to use such a weapon?

    Is it possible to use such a weapon with a great deal of plausible deniability?

    If so, would this tend to increase the likelihood of use - ie one wouldn't be caught?

    The first-level reason for the outbreak was the 'wet market hypothesis'. The second-level reason for 'prying minds' was the possibility of a viral leak from the Wuhan lab. Who has been pushing the
    Wuhan lab theory and are there signs that this was prepared in advance?

    What importance do we attach to the apparent collection of Chinese (and Russian) DNA by US institutions?

    What importance do we attach to the apparent fact that there are many US military biolabs scattered around the world?

    What do we suppose that they do in these biolabs?

    Is there evidence from behaviour or prior statements that the ruling clique in the US considers that its power, wealth, influence etc is threatened by the continuing industrial development of China?

    In history do ruling cliques try as much as possible to maintain their power?

    Has the US sought to frustrate China's projects with other states -Belt and Road?

    If so, how successful was the US in this?

    If the US ruling clique has not so far been successful at containing China with the methods it has used, does that not imply that it must either try other methods or eventually cede a large part of its global power?

    Are there signs that there has been a propaganda preparation for this attack? This would include stories run in the media to demonize China etc.

    Have there been signs of a propaganda offensive since the outbreak began?

    What is the tone of coverage in the western press Re, China?

    When judging an individual we often consider past form. If we look at the military and foreign policy of the US since 1947 - particularly 1991 - do we get the sense that this is organization that considers itself constrained by laws, international norms and the sovereignty of other states?

    If we assume that the US ruling clique wishes to weaken China relative to the US, then how successful has the outbreak so far been? Has it damaged China's economy or its reputation?

    Last year saw the refounding of the Committee on the Present Danger (China) by a number of prominent individuals in the US.

    https://presentdangerchina.org/

    This organization considers the rise of China to be a danger to the US. How do they propose to stop it?

    Replies: @Parfois1, @Desert Fox, @CanSpeccy, @Anonymous, @utu, @Johnny Walker Read

    Another excellent step-by-step presentation of the questions the investigative mind would consider to solve a crime – and an extension of the usual “who dit it?” (Motive, Means, Opportunity, Connection). I would also add the MO (Modus Operandi) and precedent.

    The answers to all those questions inevitably raise a pointed finger at the US criminal government and ruling elites – the only critters who can compete with the Zionists in malevolence and criminality.

    • Thanks: clickkid
    • Replies: @steinbergfeldwitzcohen
    @Parfois1

    The answers to all those questions inevitably raise a pointed finger at the US criminal government and ruling elites – the only critters who can compete with the Zionists in malevolence and criminality.

    This is a point of intersection. The US criminal gov't types are often dual citizen zionists.
    The ruling elites are Zionist and, usually, Jews. They replaced the Anglo-American elite over the last 50 years. The fact that Liddle Bloomberg can even do what he is doing is because of elite Jewish domination of the U.S. and Jewish media ownership.
    Intel is in Israel manufacturing chips. This is okay with the US MIC because.....? It isn't a national security issue. Why not?

    The U.S. is owned by a criminal, hostile elite. What is a casino? It's a place to launder money. Adelson owns a casino in Macao where people line up to pay to get their money laundered. What did Donald Trump do? He did real estate and he did casinos. Real estate is an area that always gets flooded with crime money.
    Bottom line: Zionists own the U.S. and Donald is their boy. So is Mike Bloomberg. These are just factional in-fights.
    What we see in U.S. politics is merely a competition between different Jew factions over access to the money tap.
    Trump gave access to right-wing LIkud Jews and MIC types. Now guys behind Bloomberg want to get in.
    Or, maybe, it is just to prevent the crazy Jew, Bernie Sanders, from getting in and ruining things for the guys backing DJT.
    The level of deception is multi-layered. Steve Pieceznik and Bannon are experts at deception and they put DJT in the White House.
    At the end of the day, the money men want DC to work for them.

    Replies: @Parfois1, @CanSpeccy

  • @Anonymous
    This reads like a ranting CCP apologist.

    The fact that there is a Chinese bio weapons lab in Wuhan, which had access to and was doing active research in, various coronavirus specimens is telling. Not proof in and of itself, but telling. Occam’s razor - the Chinese are lax with disease treatment in humans and animals alike. The Chinese are lax with hygiene and sanitation. The Chinese are lax with safety standards and medical ethics. It’s far more likely this has a start with a Chinese screw up than anywhere else.

    The fact that multiple outbreaks occur across time and space inside one country should be a clue towards a systemic problem within the host country.

    The comparison to the most recent outbreak of swine flu is silly. Swine flu is easily traced to the farms and transmission points. The swine industry in China is concentrated and contaminated feed (often made of or in contact with destroyed pigs) helped ensure the spread of that. They simply do not practice “good” industrial farming technique. Combine that with a low education rural populace and you have the seeds of disaster.

    Could it be muh evil Americans launching bio warfare? Maybe. But nothing in this screed does anything to actually explains direct linkage or plausible delivery mechanism.

    More likely this is Chinese incompetence on various levels.

    Replies: @clickkid, @Parisian Guy

    Food Standards:

    “Insect-filled chocolates, rat hair-infested noodles, and orange juice containing maggots are just some of the “horrors” UK consumers could be forced to accept if post-Brexit Britain signs a wide-ranging trade deal with the USA.

    In the US, producers adhere to a “Defects Levels Handbook,” which sets out the maximum number of foreign bodies like maggots, insect fragments and mould that can be in food products before they are put on the market.

    For example, US producers are allowed to include up to 30 insect fragments in a 100g jar of peanut butter; as well as 11 rodent hairs in a 25g container of paprika; or 3mg of mammalian excreta (typically rat or mouse excrement) per each pound of ginger.

    In the EU there are no allowable limits for foreign bodies in food products.”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/food-standards-brexit-uk-us-trade-deal-maggots-rat-hair-worms-insects-mould-products-a8575721.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @clickkid

    Do you think that EU food has zero contamination then?

    In reality:


    What the FDA is saying in setting levels is that these are "action levels", the limits at which FDA will regard the food product "adulterated" - subject to enforcement action under Section 402(a)(3) of the Food, Drug, and Cosmetics Act. In other words, anything above the levels specified is open to prosecution without any further consideration.

    But that does not mean that the FDA is setting tolerance limits. That is not the case. Rather, if natural levels of contamination do not exceed the levels, producers are spared automatic prosecution – as long as they are taking all necessary measures to reduce the levels.

    This is set out very clearly in the introduction, where the FDA states that poor manufacturing practices may result in enforcement action without regard to the action level
     
    http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87019
  • It’s highly unlikely that we, the public, will ever definitively have proof that this was an attack by the US government, its agents or proxies, on China. Certainly nothing that could be expected to hold up in any court of law. Courts of law – quite rightly – demand very solid evidence before someone is convicted. The government of China – and perhaps other states – will perhaps be able to gather enough evidence to be able to take a position on the cause of the epidemic, and may come to the conclusion that this was an attack

    In our personal lives we often have to make decisions, often the most important decisions, without any definitive proof that what we are doing or thinking is correct. We have to make a judgement call based on the balance of probabilities, or use our intuition (our gut feeling), which really means that we are using an unconscious process to weigh up the evidence that we do have.

    Here is a list of factors which I think should be taken into account in deciding (based on imperfect knowledge) whether this was an attack by the USA on China for geopolitical advantage.

    Does the virus show signs of being an artificial product?

    If different scientists have different views on this, is that a reflection of the scientists’ source of income?

    Does the virus show signs of being ethnospecific or at least affecting East Asians much more than others?

    If you were planning a viral attack on China, what time of year would you choose?

    Was there foreknowledge? Was that Turkish tweet from 11th June 2019 just a stupid coincidence?

    Would US agencies technically be able to do this? Have they been researching biowarfare for decades?

    Is there evidence that US agencies have used bioweapons in the past?

    Does the expenditure of resources in research not imply that one would be ready to use the results of that research?

    Does not the PNAC Statement on ethnically specific bioweapons imply that powerful individuals within the US Establishment are ready to use such a weapon?

    Is it possible to use such a weapon with a great deal of plausible deniability?

    If so, would this tend to increase the likelihood of use – ie one wouldn’t be caught?

    The first-level reason for the outbreak was the ‘wet market hypothesis’. The second-level reason for ‘prying minds’ was the possibility of a viral leak from the Wuhan lab. Who has been pushing the
    Wuhan lab theory and are there signs that this was prepared in advance?

    What importance do we attach to the apparent collection of Chinese (and Russian) DNA by US institutions?

    What importance do we attach to the apparent fact that there are many US military biolabs scattered around the world?

    What do we suppose that they do in these biolabs?

    Is there evidence from behaviour or prior statements that the ruling clique in the US considers that its power, wealth, influence etc is threatened by the continuing industrial development of China?

    In history do ruling cliques try as much as possible to maintain their power?

    Has the US sought to frustrate China’s projects with other states -Belt and Road?

    If so, how successful was the US in this?

    If the US ruling clique has not so far been successful at containing China with the methods it has used, does that not imply that it must either try other methods or eventually cede a large part of its global power?

    Are there signs that there has been a propaganda preparation for this attack? This would include stories run in the media to demonize China etc.

    Have there been signs of a propaganda offensive since the outbreak began?

    What is the tone of coverage in the western press Re, China?

    When judging an individual we often consider past form. If we look at the military and foreign policy of the US since 1947 – particularly 1991 – do we get the sense that this is organization that considers itself constrained by laws, international norms and the sovereignty of other states?

    If we assume that the US ruling clique wishes to weaken China relative to the US, then how successful has the outbreak so far been? Has it damaged China’s economy or its reputation?

    Last year saw the refounding of the Committee on the Present Danger (China) by a number of prominent individuals in the US.

    https://presentdangerchina.org/

    This organization considers the rise of China to be a danger to the US. How do they propose to stop it?

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Parfois1
    @clickkid

    Another excellent step-by-step presentation of the questions the investigative mind would consider to solve a crime - and an extension of the usual "who dit it?" (Motive, Means, Opportunity, Connection). I would also add the MO (Modus Operandi) and precedent.

    The answers to all those questions inevitably raise a pointed finger at the US criminal government and ruling elites - the only critters who can compete with the Zionists in malevolence and criminality.

    Replies: @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    , @Desert Fox
    @clickkid

    In my opinion this is was an attack on China to weaken China economically and an indirect attack on Iran which exports oil to China, and the zionists are behind this attack.

    , @CanSpeccy
    @clickkid


    It’s highly unlikely that we, the public, will ever definitively have proof that this was an attack by the US government, its agents or proxies, on China.
     
    Exactly. So claims that this was a US WMD attack on China are no more nor less than evidence-free conspiracy theories. Such claims are apparently acceptable to the big brains, Utu and Ron (was it the latter who gold-rimmed you splendid conspiracy theory endorsement?). If so it seems to prove the point that IQ has little to do with general intelligence.

    We have to make a judgement call based on the balance of probabilities, or use our intuition (our gut feeling), which really means that we are using an unconscious process to weigh up the evidence that we do have.
     
    So you means the Chinese are gonna go to war with us based on gut feel, unless of course their gut feels are different from yours. God, you make the world seem a truly scary place.

    Here is a list of factors which I think should be taken into account in deciding (based on imperfect knowledge) whether this was an attack by the USA on China for geopolitical advantage.

    Does the virus show signs of being an artificial product?
     

    What's that got to do with whether this was a WMD attack on China by the US? This is imbecility. Modifying viruses is what WMD labs do, as much for defensive reasons as offensive.

    Does the virus show signs of being ethnospecific or at least affecting East Asians much more than others?
     
    So what if does? Isn't that what East Asians have to defend against, viruses with ethnospecificity for East Asians.

    Blah, blah, blah ... What do we suppose that they do in these biolabs?
     
    What do you think the Chinese, the Brits, the Russians, the Canadians do in theirs?

    Do you teach kindergarten, or what?


    In history do ruling cliques try as much as possible to maintain their power?
     
    Oh come on. Why not ask: Is it true that God is love? But no, apparently you think you can extract proof of the launch of WWIII from a viral outbreak that has killed 0.001% of China's population and at worst might kill, what? 0.01%, 0.1, 1.0%. Even 10 percent would make little difference to China's econonomic strength. Indeed it might add to it.

    This organization considers the rise of China to be a danger to the US. How do they propose to stop it?
     
    Well any developing nation is a potential threat to the US which is obviously rotten to the core and sinking fast. But attacking someone else ain't the intelligent solution. The solution is to be better than the other guys. That's what the US was during the Cold War. And if the US cannot rise to the challenge now, then its finished whatever happens in the short term. Going to war with China will simply make the collapse of the US Empire that much more unpleasant for all concerned.

    Replies: @Parfois1

    , @Anonymous
    @clickkid

    https://www.embopress.org/doi/10.1038/sj.emboj.7600640

    Receptor and viral determinants of SARS‐coronavirus adaptation to human ACE2

    This paper contains more evidence of China engineering ACE2 pathways for maximal SARS-CoV infection.

    "Two regions of the S‐protein‐binding site on ACE2, and two residues in the RBD of these S proteins, largely determine these differences."

    "Our data describe S‐protein adaptations, and their receptor counterparts, that permit efficient infection of human cells."


    The Chinese isolated the S-Protein spikes from bat SARS COV that maximise human infection.
     
    They were comparing one SARS strain to another, and determining what made one more virulent compared to the other.

    Sounds innocent, but later:

    The Chinese added HIV infection spikes to the ACE2 receptors
     
    And you, just pretend that those papers don't exist, and everyone is so stupid that they can't go and read them.

    So you say one of the factors that support an attack on China by the United States is:

    Does the virus show signs of being ethnospecific or at least affecting East Asians much more than others?

    Well yes, it does. Why?

    Because the Chinese engineered their SARS-CoV Virus samples for maximum infection via the ACE2 receptor pathway.
     
    There are literally dozens of papers all of which show the progression. They may be innocent in and of themselves. However, the samples engineered within them are not so innocent.

    In the above paper, the Chinese mixed human and rat ACE2 to identify what protein residues in what zones allow efficient infection. i.e.

    "These data indicate that differences in the ability of rat and human ACE2 to support infection are localized to the catalytic domain of the receptor. "

    The Chinese knew, must have known, the entire time, that Asians have higher ACE2 then non-Asians. But they proceeded with their dual purpose research nonetheless.

    So you can pretend those studies don't exist, or effect not to understand them - that's fine. You do that.

    But do not lie, and act as if the nCoV-19 targeting higher East Asian ACE2 receptors is the fault of the United States. Because on that point, there is overwhelming evidence that it is the fault of the Chinese.

    There are literally dozens of studies showing the Chinese spent YEARS understanding how to infect humans with SARS-CoV via the ACE2 receptor.
     
    "Does the virus show signs of being an artificial product?"

    Not just signs - you can literally see the features of this Virus like it's infusion into HeLa Cells in the Chinese studies - they engineered it to do that. Just click on the links. ACE2, HeLa Cells.

    Yes - it looks like a Chinese product, based on the available evidence. It's not conclusive, as I said. But it's pretty strong evidence, and it looks stronger if commentators on this event just willfully and deceitfully pretend it doesn't exist at all.

    "If different scientists have different views on this, is that a reflection of the scientists’ source of income?"

    You don't need to be a Scientist. If you aren't a dunce, you can just READ THE CHINESE PAPERS.

    What importance do we attach to the apparent collection of Chinese (and Russian) DNA by US institutions?

    What importance do we attach to the collection of western DNA by Chinese institutions, in collusion with western private enterprises like Facebook and Google? Or via hacking of US government institutions?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6556182/

    Quote "Medical records of at least 173 million of people, gathered since Oct 2009, have been breached and might have adversely influenced over half of the population in the USA."

    Do Department of Health and Human Services records and corrections departments include DNA digital samples? The answer is yes. Who hacked them? The CIA? They already have it. Who does that leave?

    Well the City of London Corporation probably has them. Israel will. But is anyone really so stupid as to think China doesn't have those samples? Israel probably gave them the samples.

    In history do ruling cliques try as much as possible to maintain their power?

    Yes - that's why Xi had killed or imprisoned or bankrupted 1.3million Chinese as of 2017. And it's ongoing. But you say China is a politically united Utopia, and it's so pathetic and ridiculous a and insultingly stupid that it's risible. Yes, the magnificent Soviet union has sufficient grain in the Ukraine to maintain the health and wellbeing of all the regions Kulaks and peasants comrade. They've all just taken a nice holiday in the Urals. Gone East comrade.

    "Is there evidence from behaviour or prior statements that the ruling clique in the US considers that its power, wealth, influence etc is threatened by the continuing industrial development of China?"

    Yes - just like there is evidence from the ruling clique in China that it considers that Chinese power, wealth and influence is threatened by industrial re-development of the United States, and of nations like Japan. In fact there is evidence that the radical cadre that rules China thinks the United States constitutes future lebensraum. So why pretend that doesn't exist? If you were more even-handed, it wouldn't piss people off into responding to your white-washing.

    "Are there signs that there has been a propaganda preparation for this attack? This would include stories run in the media to demonize China etc."

    You mean the TRUE stories about China putting millions of Uyghurs in concentration camps and then arranging for the forced rape/marriage of their wives to ugly bug eyed bugmen? Yes, that's happened. And the true stories about Chinese sabotage and espionage and thefts all over the western hemisphere? Yes, that's happened.

    What's the difference between a Uyghur Muslims and a White European Christian in terms of consistency with Chinese social-religio fiat? Tell us tell us tell us.

    Or the true stories that Chinese cheat and steal from western universities at rates that are incomprehensible to anyone who isn't Jewish or an affirmative action waste? Yes, that's happened.

    "It’s not just the gaokao – it’s the SAT, the GRE, and a whole host of other exams. An estimated 90 per cent of all recommendation letters for Chinese applicants to United States universities are fake. Some 70 per cent of application essays are not written by students, and 50 per cent of grades transcripts are falsified."

    90% recommendation letters are fake
     

    70% of application essays are not written by students
     

    50% of grades transcripts are falsified.
     
    Oh wait - that was actually reported in CHINA. The Chinese engaged in virulent anti-Chinese propaganda.

    So if cheating is so rife in China, why does everyone keep telling me how brilliant these cheating Chinese are? They aren't brilliant. That's precisely why they're developing AI to do the work for them.

    Does it mean the US are good? No, the Jews who rule the United States and their adjacent Oligarchs are guilty of the most profoundly obscene crimes. Sins that cry out for vegeance. Against their own people. This website has covered some of them in relation to Jeffrey Epstein and Pizzagate (which was entirely real). And in many ways, China is superior and even morally cleaner. But not by much.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646

    It's always pretty funny when Chinese apologists say that African Americans get imprisoned a lot in the United States. Yes, because they commit most of the crime. But also, the United States doesn't harvest their organs while they're alive.

    Was there foreknowledge? Was that Turkish tweet from 11th June 2019 just a stupid coincidence?

    How do you know that it wasn't foreknowledge of some internal Chinese plot? Seriously? China have had these SARS-CoV-HIV Virus samples since 2010.

    They created the 2010 sample when they didn't have a BSL-4 facility in China. That means they created a deadly virus sample without commensurate protections. Is it really far-fetched to believe that there could have been an accident? Like there was with the original SARS breakout where they fired Li-Liming head of the Beijing Institute of Virology and confirmed it? It was a tiny outbreak, but it was a classic breakdown in bio-science protocols.

    If the virus is from the United States (which lets assume is being used as substitute for 'Israel') - why won't the Chinese just prove it internationally?

    I'm not even saying you don't have good points. The timing 'is' suspicious on it's face, and it would look strange for Asians to be more at risk without having access to the papers that show the Chinese developed Viruses to effect maximum risk for people with higher levels of ACE2 receptors.

    But no one has answered why you would infect not just a national transport hub, but an international transport hub, with a virus that can mutate and incubate asympotamatically for weeks? That's pretty relevant. Cases are going to explode in the coming weeks all over the West. Seems kind of stupid doesn't it? To infect your own people?

    Just be more even-handed. If someone takes the trouble to present information that is unique, cogent and some might even say brilliant, don't just ignore it. Account for it.

    Otherwise, all the accusations you level at 'American propaganda' look like they're projections.

    If you keep lying about the 'Targets Asians' lie, you are going to look very silly.

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @utu
    @clickkid

    Both the Left and the Right are in agreement on China. Here George Soros's two cents:

    Europe Must Recognize China for What It Is (Feb 11, 2020)
    https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/china-huawei-threat-to-european-values-by-george-soros-2020-02

    Only the Chinese political leadership can decide Xi’s future. The harm caused by his mishandling of the coronavirus outbreak has become so visible that the Chinese public, and even the Politburo, must recognize it. The EU should not knowingly facilitate his political survival.

    Replies: @CanSpeccy, @Ron Unz

    , @Johnny Walker Read
    @clickkid

    Gold star awarded for your analysis.

    In U.S. criminal law, means, motive, and opportunity is a common summation of the three aspects of a crime that must be established before guilt can possibly be determined in a criminal proceeding. Respectively, they refer to: the ability of the defendant to commit the crime (means), the reason the defendant committed the crime (motive), and whether the defendant had the chance to commit the crime (opportunity).

    I would say all three criteria have been met, now it's up to the "court of public opinion" to decide. Personally, a bio-weapon attack by the US or one of its NATO allies makes the most sense to me.

  • @JUSA
    @clickkid

    Good story.

    Not sure how Mr. Turk fits into the story.

    Hopefully all of Mr. Chang's relatives are smart enough to know who poisoned the well.

    Replies: @clickkid

    Thanks!

    As for ‘Mr Turk’, I was referring to this- retweeted a couple of times in the past few weeks.

    Tweeted on 11th June 2019 by a Turkish nationalist with connections to his country’s military:

    Translation:

    “The U.S. sent an aircraft of biological weapons to China. Epidemics may begin in China soon.

    They should not forget that if there is a Turk on earth, there is hope.”

    ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. This Commenter

  • @Ilya G Poimandres
    @AB_Anonymous

    It's not immune to conspiracy, and the article certainly raises eyebrows, but why design a virus that kills old people and not children?

    One complaint vs many circumbstantial clues though. Thinking it over though, there sure are too many coincidences!

    Replies: @clickkid

    “but why design a virus that kills old people and not children?”

    It isn’t the killing as such that counts – it’s the massive economic cost that is important.

  • @denk
    @clickkid

    You'r one of the few who gets it.

    But your claim that CCP might be inflating the casualties figure is off base.

    cuz that'd be playing right into the hand of fukus, [[[they]]] have been trying their damndest to play up the fear porn, to force a WHO declaration of global pandemic crisis,, which'd mandate a total quarantine for China,.

    game, set , match for the [[[sobs]]]

    Replies: @clickkid

    Thanks!

    Regarding possible inflation of the figures:

    I have played with that idea. My assessments of its probability go up and down. Obviously it’s a very unclear situation. At the moment it is not an argument that I would make

  • @clickkid
    China has been 'winning the peace', trading, working and investing its way up. In 2014 China's economy overtook America's in size on a Purchasing Power Parity Basis - which is what counts. In 2013 China ceased accumulating US Treasuries on a net basis and announced Belt and Road.

    With each passing year the US share of the world economy gets smaller. With each passing year China's share gets larger. This has comsequences. Clearly from the point of view of the US ruling clique this cannot go on. There will come a time (perhaps it has already passed) when it will be too late to do anything about it. China is already the fulcrum of the world economy and is the leading trade partner of about 135 countries

    But what to do?

    Clearly, there is nothing that can be done economically. China is ahead in many areas of technological research and with one billion more people produces 8 times as many STEM graduates per year than the US, Trade negotiations are basically drawn. The US economy remains hollowed-out. Meanwhile the US government grows ever more desperate in the cause of its own financing - see also the astonishing situation in the repo markets.

    The pinprick strategy of stirring up trouble on the edges of Eurasia as in Syria or Myanmar also seems to have reached its limit.There are just too many advantages to too many countries to taking part in Belt and Road. Washington has admonished its vassal states for joinng the China-sponsored Asian Development Bank, but was ignored.

    Washington's conventional and nuclear weapons are unusable. China cannot be defeated conventionally, nuclear weapons destroy us all.

    I consider that an attack with biological weapons causing immense economic damage, but with plausible deniability was quite possibly the best remaining move on the geopolitical chessboard for Washington.

    Put yourself in the position of a geopolitical 'decider' in Washington. Can you actually think of anything better to do with the aim of maximizing Washington's global power (or minimizing loss of power) than such an attack. I can't! Not to conduct the attack would have been geopolitically suboptimal. It would be like a chess-player holding of on forcing some material or positional advantage, despite seeing the opportunity.

    If there were no better move for Washington than this, then the question becomes why wouldn't the Pentagon mount such an attack. Washington has the motive. Decades of research in biowarfare give it the means. Opportunity is merely a matter of planning.

    So far, the move has been a success. China has become literally more isolated. The economy is according to some accounts barely moving. Washington has reaped propaganda advantage.

    I still think China wins this game, but at least Washington has delayed inevitable defeat, although perhaps increasing the ultimate severity of that defeat. It has still played geopolitically, although obviously not morally, the least bad move.

    Let's see what China's counter-move is.

    Replies: @mr meener, @Astuteobservor II, @Zumbuddi, @Parfois1, @Erebus, @Anonymous

    beautiful post

    • Thanks: clickkid
  • @clickkid
    China has been 'winning the peace', trading, working and investing its way up. In 2014 China's economy overtook America's in size on a Purchasing Power Parity Basis - which is what counts. In 2013 China ceased accumulating US Treasuries on a net basis and announced Belt and Road.

    With each passing year the US share of the world economy gets smaller. With each passing year China's share gets larger. This has comsequences. Clearly from the point of view of the US ruling clique this cannot go on. There will come a time (perhaps it has already passed) when it will be too late to do anything about it. China is already the fulcrum of the world economy and is the leading trade partner of about 135 countries

    But what to do?

    Clearly, there is nothing that can be done economically. China is ahead in many areas of technological research and with one billion more people produces 8 times as many STEM graduates per year than the US, Trade negotiations are basically drawn. The US economy remains hollowed-out. Meanwhile the US government grows ever more desperate in the cause of its own financing - see also the astonishing situation in the repo markets.

    The pinprick strategy of stirring up trouble on the edges of Eurasia as in Syria or Myanmar also seems to have reached its limit.There are just too many advantages to too many countries to taking part in Belt and Road. Washington has admonished its vassal states for joinng the China-sponsored Asian Development Bank, but was ignored.

    Washington's conventional and nuclear weapons are unusable. China cannot be defeated conventionally, nuclear weapons destroy us all.

    I consider that an attack with biological weapons causing immense economic damage, but with plausible deniability was quite possibly the best remaining move on the geopolitical chessboard for Washington.

    Put yourself in the position of a geopolitical 'decider' in Washington. Can you actually think of anything better to do with the aim of maximizing Washington's global power (or minimizing loss of power) than such an attack. I can't! Not to conduct the attack would have been geopolitically suboptimal. It would be like a chess-player holding of on forcing some material or positional advantage, despite seeing the opportunity.

    If there were no better move for Washington than this, then the question becomes why wouldn't the Pentagon mount such an attack. Washington has the motive. Decades of research in biowarfare give it the means. Opportunity is merely a matter of planning.

    So far, the move has been a success. China has become literally more isolated. The economy is according to some accounts barely moving. Washington has reaped propaganda advantage.

    I still think China wins this game, but at least Washington has delayed inevitable defeat, although perhaps increasing the ultimate severity of that defeat. It has still played geopolitically, although obviously not morally, the least bad move.

    Let's see what China's counter-move is.

    Replies: @mr meener, @Astuteobservor II, @Zumbuddi, @Parfois1, @Erebus, @Anonymous

    Great post.

    I consider that an attack with biological weapons causing immense economic damage, but with plausible deniability was quite possibly the best remaining move on the geopolitical chessboard for Washington.

    With all power trend lines on a downward slope, and abrupt end stops now visible on the most important of them (principally, financial), the time has come for a last minute Hail Mary pass.

    The question is if the American pigeon has landed on the geo-political chessboard. If so, from landing the Eagle to landing the Pigeon, we’ve come round to the endgame at last.

    • Thanks: clickkid
  • @clickkid
    China has been 'winning the peace', trading, working and investing its way up. In 2014 China's economy overtook America's in size on a Purchasing Power Parity Basis - which is what counts. In 2013 China ceased accumulating US Treasuries on a net basis and announced Belt and Road.

    With each passing year the US share of the world economy gets smaller. With each passing year China's share gets larger. This has comsequences. Clearly from the point of view of the US ruling clique this cannot go on. There will come a time (perhaps it has already passed) when it will be too late to do anything about it. China is already the fulcrum of the world economy and is the leading trade partner of about 135 countries

    But what to do?

    Clearly, there is nothing that can be done economically. China is ahead in many areas of technological research and with one billion more people produces 8 times as many STEM graduates per year than the US, Trade negotiations are basically drawn. The US economy remains hollowed-out. Meanwhile the US government grows ever more desperate in the cause of its own financing - see also the astonishing situation in the repo markets.

    The pinprick strategy of stirring up trouble on the edges of Eurasia as in Syria or Myanmar also seems to have reached its limit.There are just too many advantages to too many countries to taking part in Belt and Road. Washington has admonished its vassal states for joinng the China-sponsored Asian Development Bank, but was ignored.

    Washington's conventional and nuclear weapons are unusable. China cannot be defeated conventionally, nuclear weapons destroy us all.

    I consider that an attack with biological weapons causing immense economic damage, but with plausible deniability was quite possibly the best remaining move on the geopolitical chessboard for Washington.

    Put yourself in the position of a geopolitical 'decider' in Washington. Can you actually think of anything better to do with the aim of maximizing Washington's global power (or minimizing loss of power) than such an attack. I can't! Not to conduct the attack would have been geopolitically suboptimal. It would be like a chess-player holding of on forcing some material or positional advantage, despite seeing the opportunity.

    If there were no better move for Washington than this, then the question becomes why wouldn't the Pentagon mount such an attack. Washington has the motive. Decades of research in biowarfare give it the means. Opportunity is merely a matter of planning.

    So far, the move has been a success. China has become literally more isolated. The economy is according to some accounts barely moving. Washington has reaped propaganda advantage.

    I still think China wins this game, but at least Washington has delayed inevitable defeat, although perhaps increasing the ultimate severity of that defeat. It has still played geopolitically, although obviously not morally, the least bad move.

    Let's see what China's counter-move is.

    Replies: @mr meener, @Astuteobservor II, @Zumbuddi, @Parfois1, @Erebus, @Anonymous

    I still think China wins this game, but at least Washington has delayed inevitable defeat, although perhaps increasing the ultimate severity of that defeat. It has still played geopolitically, although obviously not morally, the least bad move.

    Fully agree. Your step-by-step reasoning has been the bedrock of my assumptions on several comments related to this topic, although expressed in a condensed package, to which I added the proof of precedence, that is, the political elites’ proneness and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction on innocent civilians.

    Consider what is at stake here for those criminal elites: the end of US supremacy and concomitant loss of protection to the Chosen ones. This is an epoch-shattering event.

    Compare with use of weapons of mass destruction during (e.g. Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki) and since WWII (see Denk’s lists above). These crimes against humanity on a grand scale took place when the losing side was already defeated and there was no justification whatsoever other than revenge and evil designs. There were no vital interests at stake whatsoever, yet they did it on spurious and untenable reasons.

    If they were capable of those monstrous crimes, getting rid of a few Chinks to spite them is small fry.

    Any detective looking at it would go through the basic routine:

    Motive, Yes
    Means, Yes
    Opportunity, Yes
    Connection, Yes (a foe).

    All a priori elements are there to point a finger at the main/sole suspect. The evidence may be missing yet for a prosecution in a putative court of law, but in a court of logicians that would be enough, barring the existence of a competing suspect, for a verdict of guilty.

    I’m sure the Chinese virologists will come up eventually with sufficient proof that the novel coronavirus is a synthetic product and its origin. Whether it will become public is a moot point. But that will be enough for Dr Mahathir to convene the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission and indict the criminals.

    • Agree: clickkid
  • @Anon
    @Mike P

    Unfortunately, how much do Chinese scientists know about bat viruses? It could just be an honestly novel and natural bat virus that was previously unknown, because let's face it, the Chinese learned most of their medicine and science very late in comparison to Western countries. Chinese scientists most certainly have NOT had time to examine every form of animal life in China for novel viruses, and there may plenty more still unknown there.

    Modern China, with its massive and very dense population, and the massive movement of its peoples within its own borders and around the world, was a pandemic just waiting to happen. If not COV19, some other virus would have done this. It was just a matter of time.

    Replies: @clickkid

    “Modern China, with its massive and very dense population, and the massive movement of its peoples within its own borders and around the world, was a pandemic just waiting to happen.”
    ——————–

    Yes, waiting to happen…..and its patience to wait any longer ran out just as that biggest migration was getting going for the New Year and right at a time of maximum geopolitical tension, and six months after this was tweeted:

    Which translates as:

    “Decipher: 11.06.2019 The U.S. sent an aircraft of biological weapons to China. Epidemics may begin in China soon.
    They should not forget that if there is a Turk on earth, there is hope.”
    ——————————————

    Those demanding proof will probably only be satisfied when a letter from the Director of the CIA, giving details of the operation, is published on the front page of the New York Times.

    • Replies: @denk
    @clickkid

    You'r one of the few who gets it.

    But your claim that CCP might be inflating the casualties figure is off base.

    cuz that'd be playing right into the hand of fukus, [[[they]]] have been trying their damndest to play up the fear porn, to force a WHO declaration of global pandemic crisis,, which'd mandate a total quarantine for China,.

    game, set , match for the [[[sobs]]]

    Replies: @clickkid

  • Mr Washington was the richest man in town and had the nicest and biggest house.

    He had built his business in his younger years through hard work and inventiveness. In the 196os though, as his household grew and more children arrived, he found that his expenses were continually exceeding his income and he wondered what to do.

    In 1971 he had an idea. Instead of paying for all of his purchases with money he decided to just write IOUs. His credit in town was so good with all of the neighbours and tradesmen, that pretty much all of them accepted Mr Washington’s IOUs, and even used them amongst each other to buy and sell, just as if they were real money.

    This scheme was, as one might imagine, very pleasant indeed, and as the years went on Mr Washington preferred to work less and less, and took to writing more IOUs. His wife was constantly clamouring for new clothes and the kids were always screaming for new toys.
    Eventually, the rumours that had been circulating for some time proved to be true and it emerged that Mr Washington had a machine in his basement for printing IOUs.

    The years passed by and in 2001 a new neighbour – Mr Chang – arrived in town and moved into a small house just across the street from Mr Washington. He proved to be very industrious and after only a couple of years emerged as the businessman in town who was selling the most products to Mr Washington, who was very happy with this, not only because Mr Chang’s products were so cheap, but also because Mr Chang was apparently very happy to accept Mr Washington’s IOUs, produced from the machine in the basement.

    Everybody seemed very pleased with this arrangement until one day in 2013. By this time Mr Chang had more of Mr Washington’s IOUs than anyone else in the town. In fact, he had almost more than he knew what to do with. Mr Chang announced that he would stop accumulating the IOUs and would be getting rid of them straight away in order to invest in his own business – something he called Belt and Road.

    Mr Washington was worried. He noticed that others were following Mr Chang’s lead. He remonstrated with all his friends, cajoling and threatening, to try and stop them getting involved in Mr Chang’s projects. However, they generally ignored him. Everybody was impressed by Mr Chang’s workmanship. In 2014 people started noticing that Mr Chang’s house was bigger than Mr Washington’s. Traders doing business with Mr Chang were also pleased that Mr Chang, although he did sometimes drive a hard bargain, never tried to meddle in their lives, telling them how to bring up their children as Mr Washington did.

    In 2016 Mr Washington started to argue in public wih Mr Chang. He shouted across the street demanding that Chang buy more supplies from him than the other tradesmen. He also claimed loudly that Chang had been stealing ideas for new machines from him. People were puzzled by this because they had never seen Mr Washington with the quantum computers and high-speed trains that Mr Chang had. It was noticed too that the Chang children were doing much better at school than the Washington kids – indeed in math they were four grades ahead.

    The two men continued to shout at each other for months, but didn’t seem to be getting nearer to any kind of agreement. Things seemed to be getting desperate in the Washington household. Mrs Washington could now never afford the newest fashions and many of the kids would go barefoot in the street. The house gradually took on a down-at-heel look. Sometime in 2019 a couple more machines arrived for the basement so that more IOUs could be printed.

    It was at this time that stories started appearing about Mr Chang in the newspapers – long owned by Mr Washingon. These claimed that Chang beat his wife every evening and that he kept some of his children in a concentration camp. These stories didn’t seem to have much effect however. Even Mr Washington’s oldest friend Mr Johnson decided to buy his new advanced telephone from Mr Chang.

    Mr Washington had long had a gang of sidekicks who roughed up anyone who looked like he would refuse Washington’s IOUs, but Chang had grown too big and well-protected to be cowed by them. However, one of these sidekicks, a Mr Turk, went on Twitter in 2019 and blabbered that he had info that Mr Washington was really pissed off and was going to poison the well where the Chang family drew their water. A few months later in October a group of Mr Washington’s paramilitaries, that he employed, were spotted milling around near the Wuhan Well from where the Changs fetched their water every day, but nobody really thought anything of these events at the time.

    Then it happened. It was a tradition in late Winter that members of the Chang family from all over the country came together to celebrate. They had all just arrived and they had all just raised their glasses of traditional spirit, to which they added water. Each Chang drained the glass in front of him in one movement. The whole thing could hardly have happened at a worse time.

    It didn’t take long before the first Changs started getting ill – a few even died. At the present time the healthy members of the family are so busy taking care of the ill Changs that they hardly have any time for business. All the tradespeople are avoiding the Chang house out of superstitious fear and are trying to stop the Changs visiting their houses.

    Mr Washington has publically offered his sympathy for the Changs, but everyone in town has remarked on his smirk. His newspapers are full of commentary alleging lack of hygiene in the Chang household. Some people close to Mr Washington are also spreading rumours that Mr Chang has deliberately poisoned his relatives.

    • Replies: @JUSA
    @clickkid

    Good story.

    Not sure how Mr. Turk fits into the story.

    Hopefully all of Mr. Chang's relatives are smart enough to know who poisoned the well.

    Replies: @clickkid

    , @Franklin Ryckaert
    @clickkid

    Add to this story the fact that "Mr Washington" has a history of criminal behavior towards every neighbor who refused to follow his orders, and his guilt seems all the more likely.

    , @Parfois1
    @clickkid


    Some people close to Mr Washington are also spreading rumours that Mr Chang has deliberately poisoned his relatives.
     
    A very clever parable by the creative 'Kid. And a good laugh too.

    Can you imagine an amusing sequel? I've heard a rumour on the bush telegraph that Mr. Chang has been making up with Mr. Ivanovich (who makes very modern toys and fireworks) and both are plotting to build a tunnel leading to Mr. Washington's house and store under it the fireworks...
    , @steinbergfeldwitzcohen
    @clickkid

    Great story. I really mean that.
    One question though, what about Mr. Washington's demented adopted son: Little Izzy?

  • @Hail
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen


    The Chinese inspired OBOR would reverse 500 years of hard work.
     

    I see no reason to believe they [Western elite] would sit back and allow nature to take its course.
     

    China has seen over a decade of consistent viral attacks; both human and animal virii. They have had their animal and human population under threat.
     

    Act 2: Wuhan flu.
     
    Heavy on the polemics, Mr. SteinbergFeldWitzCohen, but some of us prefer real evidence over unrelated assertions that are recklessly linked together and uncertainities glossed over or covered up beneath the polemics.

    There are viruses in China + the West is worried about China = The West is causing viruses in China. Inserting the = sign there without real evidence is a blood libel.

    Replies: @steinbergfeldwitzcohen, @Anonymous, @Herald

    These are conclusions.
    I’ve been reading about Wuhan 400 since mid-january. I wanted to find out what, where, and why. I saw a ton of evidence that indicated that the West has been developing bio-weapons and using them since the Korean War.
    China has been hit with a variety of virii targeting food stocks-pigs and chickens- and humans-SARS, HxNy and now Wuhan.
    I don’t have to do your homework. I did mine and I drew conclusions.
    Wuhan 400 is a bio-weapon and it was released.
    Read my other comments.
    Can I prove it. No. Do I have to? No, I don’t. We all draw inferences every day based on the patterns we see around us. We factor a variety of pieces together to solve the puzzle.
    I noticed a pattern. China, the only economic competitor of the U.S., that is openly working towards returning the world to a trade system that existed for a really long time (the Eurasian Silk Road) is under attack.
    The average Chinamen will not buy that their government did this to them. I don’t. Why should I?
    They may run a dictatorship but they aren’t morons.

    • Agree: clickkid, Alfred
  • The Western elites are staring into an abyss. Imagine you are them. They managed to fundamentally shift the natural trade route that existed across Eurasia. They were at the far end from the natural riches of India. Against the odds, they rerouted that world trade system to their advantage.

    Now they are faced with irrelevance. The Chinese inspired OBOR would reverse 500 years of hard work. I see no reason to believe they would sit back and allow nature to take its course.
    China has seen over a decade of consistent viral attacks; both human and animal virii. They have had their animal and human population under threat.
    The idea that policy is implemented by government is laughable. Elites USE government; they act THROUGH government by using agents. Pomparse and Esper were the end line in a short chain that saw the number 2 in Iran assassinated. That set the tone for this whole decade.
    Act 2: Wuhan flu.
    Get ready for a very painful decade.

    • Agree: Mike P, clickkid, Herald
    • Replies: @Hail
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen


    The Chinese inspired OBOR would reverse 500 years of hard work.
     

    I see no reason to believe they [Western elite] would sit back and allow nature to take its course.
     

    China has seen over a decade of consistent viral attacks; both human and animal virii. They have had their animal and human population under threat.
     

    Act 2: Wuhan flu.
     
    Heavy on the polemics, Mr. SteinbergFeldWitzCohen, but some of us prefer real evidence over unrelated assertions that are recklessly linked together and uncertainities glossed over or covered up beneath the polemics.

    There are viruses in China + the West is worried about China = The West is causing viruses in China. Inserting the = sign there without real evidence is a blood libel.

    Replies: @steinbergfeldwitzcohen, @Anonymous, @Herald

  • China has been ‘winning the peace’, trading, working and investing its way up. In 2014 China’s economy overtook America’s in size on a Purchasing Power Parity Basis – which is what counts. In 2013 China ceased accumulating US Treasuries on a net basis and announced Belt and Road.

    With each passing year the US share of the world economy gets smaller. With each passing year China’s share gets larger. This has comsequences. Clearly from the point of view of the US ruling clique this cannot go on. There will come a time (perhaps it has already passed) when it will be too late to do anything about it. China is already the fulcrum of the world economy and is the leading trade partner of about 135 countries

    But what to do?

    Clearly, there is nothing that can be done economically. China is ahead in many areas of technological research and with one billion more people produces 8 times as many STEM graduates per year than the US, Trade negotiations are basically drawn. The US economy remains hollowed-out. Meanwhile the US government grows ever more desperate in the cause of its own financing – see also the astonishing situation in the repo markets.

    The pinprick strategy of stirring up trouble on the edges of Eurasia as in Syria or Myanmar also seems to have reached its limit.There are just too many advantages to too many countries to taking part in Belt and Road. Washington has admonished its vassal states for joinng the China-sponsored Asian Development Bank, but was ignored.

    Washington’s conventional and nuclear weapons are unusable. China cannot be defeated conventionally, nuclear weapons destroy us all.

    I consider that an attack with biological weapons causing immense economic damage, but with plausible deniability was quite possibly the best remaining move on the geopolitical chessboard for Washington.

    Put yourself in the position of a geopolitical ‘decider’ in Washington. Can you actually think of anything better to do with the aim of maximizing Washington’s global power (or minimizing loss of power) than such an attack. I can’t! Not to conduct the attack would have been geopolitically suboptimal. It would be like a chess-player holding of on forcing some material or positional advantage, despite seeing the opportunity.

    If there were no better move for Washington than this, then the question becomes why wouldn’t the Pentagon mount such an attack. Washington has the motive. Decades of research in biowarfare give it the means. Opportunity is merely a matter of planning.

    So far, the move has been a success. China has become literally more isolated. The economy is according to some accounts barely moving. Washington has reaped propaganda advantage.

    I still think China wins this game, but at least Washington has delayed inevitable defeat, although perhaps increasing the ultimate severity of that defeat. It has still played geopolitically, although obviously not morally, the least bad move.

    Let’s see what China’s counter-move is.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @mr meener
    @clickkid

    beautiful post

    , @Astuteobservor II
    @clickkid

    It means China is at the very least free to do the exact attacks on the US population.

    So, as a person residing in a major population center in the USA, I am scared. Fuck.

    Back and forth, it will eventually lead to a hot war and nuclear war.

    Fuck the person who made this choice if it is true. Fuck them all to hell.

    This all hinges on it being true.

    , @Zumbuddi
    @clickkid

    March 24 1933
    Judea Declares War on Germany

    Redux

    , @Parfois1
    @clickkid


    I still think China wins this game, but at least Washington has delayed inevitable defeat, although perhaps increasing the ultimate severity of that defeat. It has still played geopolitically, although obviously not morally, the least bad move.
     
    Fully agree. Your step-by-step reasoning has been the bedrock of my assumptions on several comments related to this topic, although expressed in a condensed package, to which I added the proof of precedence, that is, the political elites' proneness and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction on innocent civilians.

    Consider what is at stake here for those criminal elites: the end of US supremacy and concomitant loss of protection to the Chosen ones. This is an epoch-shattering event.

    Compare with use of weapons of mass destruction during (e.g. Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki) and since WWII (see Denk's lists above). These crimes against humanity on a grand scale took place when the losing side was already defeated and there was no justification whatsoever other than revenge and evil designs. There were no vital interests at stake whatsoever, yet they did it on spurious and untenable reasons.

    If they were capable of those monstrous crimes, getting rid of a few Chinks to spite them is small fry.

    Any detective looking at it would go through the basic routine:

    Motive, Yes
    Means, Yes
    Opportunity, Yes
    Connection, Yes (a foe).

    All a priori elements are there to point a finger at the main/sole suspect. The evidence may be missing yet for a prosecution in a putative court of law, but in a court of logicians that would be enough, barring the existence of a competing suspect, for a verdict of guilty.

    I'm sure the Chinese virologists will come up eventually with sufficient proof that the novel coronavirus is a synthetic product and its origin. Whether it will become public is a moot point. But that will be enough for Dr Mahathir to convene the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission and indict the criminals.
    , @Erebus
    @clickkid

    Great post.


    I consider that an attack with biological weapons causing immense economic damage, but with plausible deniability was quite possibly the best remaining move on the geopolitical chessboard for Washington.
     
    With all power trend lines on a downward slope, and abrupt end stops now visible on the most important of them (principally, financial), the time has come for a last minute Hail Mary pass.

    The question is if the American pigeon has landed on the geo-political chessboard. If so, from landing the Eagle to landing the Pigeon, we've come round to the endgame at last.
    , @Anonymous
    @clickkid

    It's my fault.

    Online, offline.

    You have to be impossibly simple. Basic. Obvious. Or, people don't understand you.

    What's the argument.

    - The Virus targets Asians.

    - Why do people say it targets Asians?

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

    - The Virus gets in via ACE-2 cell entry.

    - Asians have more ACE-2 cells.

    - Therefore the Virus targets Asians!

    - Who hates Asians?

    - Americans. (Except they don't, fucking obviously, they marry them, have sex with them, love them and allow them to buy all the houses and get into top Colleges despite almost 100% cheating).

    Why is this wrong? Why is it so retarded?

    - The mother fucking Chinese created the ACE-2 pathway, in 2013.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5389864/

    Isolation and characterization of a bat SARS-like coronavirus that uses the ACE2 receptor

    - That ACE-2 C-Virus came from bats.

    - Chinese bats. The bats they eat.

    - The experiment said the virus could jump from bats to humans.

    - So an ACE-2 virus could be natural.

    - The Chinese fucking proved it.

    - ACE-2 pathway entry isn't proof of a bio-weapon.


    OR slash AND


    - ACE-2 entry is China's fault.

    - China isolated the ACE-2 bat Corona Virus in 2013.

    - China developed the Virus since.

    - In dual-purpose laboratories.

    - That aren't fit for purpose.

    - That are pieces of shit

    - like the Wuhan apartment building, Google has hidden.

    - Their ACE-2 pathway virus got out.

    - So?

    - The Virus doesn't fucking 'target' Asians.

    - Because China made the ACE-2 Corona Virus pathway

    - That the Chinese have more of.

    - They did it to themselves.

    Do you understand?

    This is what is sad.

    - Because of this

    - Anyone who says the virus 'targets Asians'

    - Is implicating the Chinese government.

    - Because the Chinese government.

    - Celebrated their ACE-2 Virus

    - The ACE-2 Asians have more of.

    - As proof of their superior Asian superpowers.

    - In 'Nature' journal, in 2013.

    - Look it up.

    - And stop lying.

    - At very best - the Chinese are active participants in this worldwide population cull.

    So if I'm Japanese, and I'm choking to death - don't blame the Americans. Blame your friends the Chinese. Same with Singaporeans and everyone else.

    Is that simple enough?

    How much more simple can I make it?

    I can't make it more simple.

    So China should attack America?

    For their own fuck-up.

    Or, their own betrayal.

    And if this was engineered.

    It wasn't 'America'.

    It was a set of individuals. Like Soros, like Gates.

    Target them.

    Not Americans in the mid-west who have to eat Spam on food-stamps.

    Because they're serfs in a neo-feudalistic system.

    That wants to use Chinese social credit.

    To make that neo-feudalism permanent.

    And Chinese victimhood.

    Is a joke.

    Because we all now can see.

    Our future is being imprisoned in Chinese or Jewish camps.

    While ugly Chinese men.

    Rape our wives.

    With their Jewish friends.

    Like they're doing to the Uyghurs.

    Right now.

    Thank-you, thank-you.

  • Tweeted on 11th June 2019 by a Turkish nationalist with connections to his country’s military:

    Translation:

    “The U.S. sent an aircraft of biological weapons to China. Epidemics may begin in China soon.

    They should not forget that if there is a Turk on earth, there is hope.”

  • Absolutely superb article!

    Thank you ‘Metallicman’, very well laid out.

    Thanks to Ron Unz too for publishing.

  • The 2019 Novel Coronavirus, first detected late last year in the hub city of Wuhan, China is a rapidly-spreading viral disease, often characterized by a cluster of acute respiratory symptoms. The virulence of this outbreak has put most of China under a lockdown: over 50 million people have been quarantined in the immediate region; 40,000...
  • The US and China have different statistical methods regarding the compilation of data for the incidence of normal flu.

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1177725.shtml

    Snippet:

    “Analysts noted the US mortality rate looks much higher than China’s because of the two countries’ different statistical methods. The response came after some net users questioned whether the high death rate shows the ineffective control of flu in the US and how different countries should cooperate effectively to curb the new coronavirus-related disease.

    The flu epidemic in the US eased during the week of January 5-11 but remains active, with an estimated 13-18 million cases of flu illnesses documented since the start of the season, a latest report from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said.

    The agency also estimates between 6,600 and 17,000 deaths related to influenza since October 1, 2019.

    Official Chinese data of flu-caused deaths is much lower, with Chinese CDC data showing that in 2018, there were more than 700,000 cases and 144 deaths.

    But there was an epidemic in early 2019. In January 2019, the number of flu cases in the Chinese mainland reached 608,511, with 143 deaths. In the first five months of 2019 alone, the number of reported cases of influenza reached 1.77 million, exceeding the total of the past four years.

    Chinese netizens questioned why the flu death rate in China is much lower than that in the US given the overall coverage of flu vaccines in China is less than 2 percent, far lower than the rate of developed countries, including the US. Some doubted the effectiveness of the vaccines.

    “The US flu mortality rate includes cases where flu causes other illnesses to worsen and lead to death, while China only counts people who die directly from flu,” an observer who prefers to be anonymous told the Global Times.”

    Three Points:

    1. Countries often vary enormously on how the cause of death is classified.

    2. Between 6600 and 17000 flu deaths in the US since October 1st 2019 – there’s some perspective for you.

    3. These discrepancies in how countries classify flu deaths are more than big enough for this outbreak to hide in.

  • The fake hysterical non-pandemic continues. Still only 2 dead outside China.

    All of those alleged to have died from the virus are claimed to have had pneumonia as far as I can ascertain. Let’s put this into the context of normal Chinese pneumonia statistics.

    In a study from 2010:

    “Pneumonia is one of the leading causes of death in adults and children in China [4]. In urban areas, pneumonia is the fourth leading cause of death, and in rural areas pneumonia is the leading cause of death [5], [6]. A recent article in the Chinese literature estimated that each year in China there are 2.5 million patients with pneumonia and that 125,000 (5%) of these patients die of pneumonia-related illness [5”

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0011721

    So the 1100 apparent fatal cases from this outbreak would represent less than 1% of the total pneumonia deaths for China in a typical year.

  • WASHINGTON D.C. – In recent weeks, concern over the emergence of a novel coronavirus in China has grown exponentially as media, experts and government officials around the world have openly worried that this new disease has the potential to develop into a global pandemic. As concerns about the future of the ongoing outbreak have grown,...
  • @CanSpeccy
    @d dan

    The Chinese Communist Party flacks here are as dumb, sour and mendacious as one another.

    But merely for the entertainment of it, here's something to get 'em going:

    Coronavirus: the cost of China’s public health cover-up

    Which explains the reluctance folks have in believing anything the ChiComs (let alone their moronic flacks) have to say. It also explains why stuff like this:

    Exiled Chinese Billionaire Claims 1.5 Million Infected With Coronavirus, 50,000 Dead

    has some credibility.

    Let's hope it's not true, but if it's not true, it will not be because the challenge of the bat flu was well handled by the Chinese authorities.

    Replies: @clickkid, @clickkid, @last straw

    Here’s your billionaire – oh so credible

    “Guo Wengui (Chinese: 郭文贵; born 10 May 1970 (self claim)[2] or 5 October 1968[3]), also known under the names Guo Wen Gui, Guo Haoyun (Chinese: 郭浩云), and Miles Kwok,[4] is a Chinese billionaire businessman who later became a political activist and controls Beijing Zenith Holdings (via proxy people Li Lin and Jiang Yuehua),[5] and other assets.[6][7] At the peak of his career, he was 73rd among the richest in China. After falling out with members of the Communist Party leadership, Guo was accused of corruption and other misdeeds and forced to flee China. He fled to the United States in late 2014[8] after learning he was going to be arrested after allegations against him including bribing, kidnapping, money laundering, fraud and rape,[9] and is subsequently subject to an Interpol Red Notice.[better source needed][1][10]

    Despite Guo’s claims of being a whistle-blower, his statements were unable to be verified by newspapers such as The New York Times.[”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guo_Wengui

    You’ll have to do better than that.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    @clickkid


    Here’s your billionaire – oh so credible
     
    According to Wikipedia, via a ChiCom Internet troll. LOL.

    And here's the man himself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cwXifDaCjE

    So who are folks gonna believe?

    Looks to me that the trolls have not made the slam dunk for Commie propaganda that they intended. Instead they've confirmed what Guo Wengui says in the interview with Kyle Bass; namely, that in dealing with critics, character assassination is standard CCP operating procedure, sometimes followed by assassination of the literal kind.

    But here's more to feed the trolls:

    Chinese military news agency discloses 2019-nCoV was product of lab: Guo Wengui

    Replies: @utu

  • @CanSpeccy
    @d dan

    The Chinese Communist Party flacks here are as dumb, sour and mendacious as one another.

    But merely for the entertainment of it, here's something to get 'em going:

    Coronavirus: the cost of China’s public health cover-up

    Which explains the reluctance folks have in believing anything the ChiComs (let alone their moronic flacks) have to say. It also explains why stuff like this:

    Exiled Chinese Billionaire Claims 1.5 Million Infected With Coronavirus, 50,000 Dead

    has some credibility.

    Let's hope it's not true, but if it's not true, it will not be because the challenge of the bat flu was well handled by the Chinese authorities.

    Replies: @clickkid, @clickkid, @last straw

    Utter nonsense?

    HK and Macao are vitually part of China and have a total of 39 infected, with 1 dead, although they have received millions of Chinese visitors in the last 2 or 3 months. If so many people in China were infected, then the figures in HK and Macao would be higher.

    Note – HK and Macao figures are not issued by the Chinese authorities.

    Ignore Falung Gong propaganda.

  • Earlier by Lance Welton: Do You Know All Coronavirus Victims Appear To Be Chinese? Thought Not! I have previously reported the case of Dr Noah Carl, a young Cambridge University political scientist whom the once-august university fired for publishing peer-reviewed research on the subject of “race” and for collaborating with like-minded academics. One paper of...
  • This purported pandemic grows more absurd by the day.

    A grand total of two people have now died outside China – allegedly from n-Cov. In the normal course of events they would not have been noticed.

    It is interesting to compare the totals of infected in China at provincial level with HK and Macao.

    In HK and Macao – both receiving millions of Chinese visitors in the last 3 months, we have total of 39 infected, while neighbouring Guangdong province has roughly 1100.

    If this outbreak is all it’s cracked up to be, then HK and Macao should have more cases.

    Or, are the Chinese exaggerating the number of infected cases they have?

    Why should they do that?

    What if they want to go on what effectively is a ‘manufacturing strike’ – staying at home with the flue. They need a cover story in order to declare force majeure on dollar debt.

    Why would they want to do that?

    In order to force some kind of reset of the dollar-dominated international financial and monetary system.

    In any case – China is the motor of the world economy, and that motor has basically stopped.

    The most boring ‘pandemic’ in history grinds on.

  • This is an updated and revised version of the full cover-story that appeared in the important publication, garrison: The Journal of History and Deep Politics, Issue 003. Issue 004 is due out this week and I urge readers to purchase it. You will read articles there that you will find no place else, brilliant, eye-opening...
  • A brilliant essay by Edward Curtin, but I want to bring a dose of optimism to the table.

    Doll Houses don’t come free. They have to be paid for – and they are expensive.

    Those who care to look will find the doom of the doll house written in the worsening finances of the US government – and the bankruptcy of its European and Japanese vassals.

    Taxes and borrowing aren’t enough any more- Money is being created out of nothing to directly finance the US budget deficit; quantitative easing etc. Look at the goings on in the repo market since September.

    Frank Zappa (himself with links to the military-industrial complex), said this about the Doll House:

    “The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

    That’s where we are now as America slips into fascism. If you look at increasing immiseration of the broad mass of people in the US – and in its vassal states,then it is clear that the illusion is becoming increasingly expensive.

  • Adapted from the latest Radio Derb, available exclusively at VDARE.com Earlier by John Derbyshire: America Catches Coronavirus Panic I'm going to bring you right in to the Derb household, actually Tuesday evening in the quiet lull after dinner. Mrs. Derbyshire is sitting in her favorite armchair fiddling with her smartphone. She has an account at...
  • This whole ‘coronavirus episode’ has resulted in an orgy of western sinophobia, with every single event and action twisted and spun to score propaganda points against China.

    If Xi Jinping were on a boat on a lake and his hat blew off into the water, then if he retrieved it by walking acroos the water, the headlines in western media would read:

    ‘Xi Can’t Swim’

    • LOL: Parfois1
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @clickkid

    Not really. A lot of people are diseaseaphobic, which is often called "the survival instinct". Could you turn it around in your head, kid, and imagine if there was a potentially dangerous virus going around in the US? Would anyone in the world scream racism or Xenophobia! at the Chinese people/government for cutting off airline service to America for a few months?

    Funny joke though, but I've heard it before - written in America, BTW.

  • I think the videos coming out of China speak for themselves. Not so much the people collapsing in the streets or body bags in hospitals. Those could be staged anti Xi propaganda or just the normal events one could find in New York or LA if you looked hard enough. What can’t be staged is the official reaction. Cops and soldiers patrolling the street in full protective gear extracting people from their homes and taking them away. Sealing apartment towers. Publicly fumigating the streets.

    This is the most extreme and serious actions taken by any organized society in my lifetime. No government would be doing this if there was any alternative. The political and economic consequences are simply too great. In a way we are fortunate this broke out in China in the same way we were lucky Fukushima was in Japan. However you may feel about the Chinese regime ( and its attempt to conceal the outbreak) China is doing what it can to bring it under control and I have to hope they succeed no matter the human cost to the afflicted

    • Agree: clickkid
    • Replies: @Bert
    @unit472

    Agreed. And I am glad that Mr. Derbyshire was not the one having to make hard decisions about the epidemic. Things would be even worse if he had been.

  • Only if you find Western media credible–about anything (as 6% of Americans do) and believe their nonsense about China. Here’s the scoop:

    Li Wenliang, a low-level physician at a hospital in Wuhan, learned at the end of that initial two weeks that some patients had been hospitalised with a coronavirus infection, impetuously presumed that virus to be SARS, then posted announcements on Chinese social media that SARS had returned to China with people in Wuhan already hospitalised.

    “No one in China has forgotten SARS, these messages sparking alarm and panic, especially since they were forwarded in volume to many other recipients. Li was picked up and questioned by the police, reprimanded, and released after an hour. This was when the Western media began their circus.

    “First, it is a crime in China to fabricate and spread rumors that disrupt the social order, a portion of Chinese culture that Westerners either cannot understand or refuse to accept. Li stated “I only wanted to remind my university classmates to be careful”, but when his startling messages went viral, he then admitted, “When I saw them circulating online, I realised that it was out of my control and I would probably be punished.” Hardly a surprise.

    If Li’s concern were for a few friends he would have called them or sent private messages. Li is not a child, and he was fully aware of the virality of online posts as well as the protocols for dealing with potential epidemics. To have posted his claims openly on social media could obtain only one possible result – in fact the result it did obtain, which was to alarm and panic countless thousands of citizens.

    Li was not reprimanded for “telling the truth” or for being a “whistleblower”, as CNN, CBS and the BBC tell us.

    “Rather, he was reprimanded for reckless public behavior and for presuming authority he did not possess. No one appointed him the spokesman for either the national health authorities or the hospital. Li had no authority to make such premature public announcements, and he would know very well the result of a WeChat post with such content. From the same CNN article, Li wrote, “I was wondering why (the government’s) official notices were still saying there was no human-to-human transmission, and there were no healthcare workers infected.”

    The medical authorities released that information as soon as it was verified and public notification became necessary, but Li appears determined to denigrate them with backhanded insinuations of lying to the public.” –From Larry Romanoff’s, ‘China’s Coronavirus – How the Western Media Spin the News’
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-how-western-media-spin-news/5702888

    • Replies: @Colm
    @Godfree Roberts

    Tl. Dr: globalresearch is paid by PRC.

    Replies: @Godfree Roberts

    , @Alfred
    @Godfree Roberts

    Li was not reprimanded for “telling the truth” or for being a “whistleblower”, as CNN, CBS and the BBC tell us

    A bit like shouting fire in a cinema.

    A prankster did his thing on the Moscow Metro. It caused a panic. He might spend some years in jail.

    Sick joke: Blogger arrested after brutal coronavirus prank on Moscow subway (VIDEO)

    , @Anonymous
    @Godfree Roberts

    Roberts posting his Chinese government press handouts has about as much credibility as Al Sharpton discussing black crime.

    We at UNZ would have more respect him if he’d just be honest and admit he’s a Chinese government spokesman instead of pretending he’s just a neutral observer of China.

  • WASHINGTON D.C. – In recent weeks, concern over the emergence of a novel coronavirus in China has grown exponentially as media, experts and government officials around the world have openly worried that this new disease has the potential to develop into a global pandemic. As concerns about the future of the ongoing outbreak have grown,...
  • @last straw
    @CanSpeccy


    In that case, how come it’s still online?
     
    Who knows?

    Debunked:
    http://virological.org/t/ncovs-relationship-to-bat-coronaviruses-recombination-signals-no-snakes-no-evidence-the-2019-ncov-lineage-is-recombinant/331

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1567134820300447?via%3Dihub

    Withdrawn:
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1#comment-4779677688

    Breaking news: preliminary research in China indicates that a virus isolated from pangolins is 99% similar to the circulating virus. If true, this confirms the multi-source origin of the virus.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00364-2

    Replies: @clickkid

    That 1% is what one can tweak. Don’t be misled by that 99% thing.

    Humans and chimpanzees are 96% the same.

    Different ethnic groups are well over 99% ‘the same’, but the differences are significant.

    • Replies: @last straw
    @clickkid


    That 1% is what one can tweak. Don’t be misled by that 99% thing.

    Humans and chimpanzees are 96% the same.

    Different ethnic groups are well over 99% ‘the same’, but the differences are significant.
     
    None of these vindicate that Indian paper. If you read my link, you will see:

    Full-genome evolutionary analysis of the novel corona virus (2019-nCoV) rejects the hypothesis of emergence as a result of a recent recombination event

    - Evidence that the hypothesis of emergence of 2019-nCoV as a result of a recent recombination event is rejected.


    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1567134820300447?via%3Dihub

    So much for conspiracy theories
  • @utu
    Tencent may have accidentally leaked real data on Wuhan virus deaths

    Tencent briefly lists 154,023 infections and 24,589 deaths from Wuhan coronavirus

    https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594

    Although some are chalking up the images to users tampering with their browsers, the 154,023 infections on Feb. 1 are remarkably close to the estimate predicted on that date by a scientific modeling study carried out by the University of Hong Kong (HKU) and published on the Lancet website. The study estimates the number of cases is much more given the 2.68 spread rate per case, the doubling of total infections every 6.4 days, and known travel patterns in China and worldwide.

    The study stated that by Jan. 25, there were likely already 75,815 people infected with the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in Wuhan. This number for January far exceeds the number of 28,000 given by the government on Feb. 6.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30260-9/fulltext
    Nowcasting and forecasting the potential domestic and international spread of the 2019-nCoV outbreak originating in Wuhan, China: a modelling study

    In our baseline scenario, we estimated that the basic reproductive number for 2019-nCoV was 2·68 (95% CrI 2·47–2·86) and that 75 815 individuals (95% CrI 37 304–130 330) have been infected in Wuhan as of Jan 25, 2020. The epidemic doubling time was 6·4 days (95% CrI 5·8–7·1). We estimated that in the baseline scenario, Chongqing, Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen had imported 461 (95% CrI 227–805), 113 (57–193), 98 (49–168), 111 (56–191), and 80 (40–139) infections from Wuhan, respectively. If the transmissibility of 2019-nCoV were similar everywhere domestically and over time, we inferred that epidemics are already growing exponentially in multiple major cities of China with a lag time behind the Wuhan outbreak of about 1–2 weeks.
     
    Another strange phenomenon that netizens have noticed is the mortality rate, as the government death tolls are routinely maintaining an exact percentile for days on end. Many noticed that in the early days of reporting, the government put the death rate at 3.1 percent.

    By late January, the government apparently decided to set the new official mortality rate at 2.1 percent. As can be seen in the image below, the mortality rate was kept at a precise 2.1 percent, regardless of the numbers from Jan. 30 to Feb. 3:

    Replies: @clickkid, @denk, @last straw

    I don’t accept that argument.

    If you look at the numbers of infected in Hong Kong and Macao, which are basically in China and visited by massive numbers of Chinese tourists and businessmen, then we see a total of 34 people infected. If those higher figures you mentioned were true, then we would be seeing many more cases in HK and Macao.

    Remember these two territories are separately administered and compile their own figures.

    I am pretty sure that the numbers are higher than the official figures, but probably not by too much.

    There’s a propaganda war going on.

  • President Xi Jinping formally told WHO head Tedros Ghebreyesus, at their meeting in Beijing earlier this week, that the coronavirus epidemic “is a devil and we cannot allow the devil to hide.” Ghebreyesus for his part could not but praise Beijing for its extremely swift, coordinated response strategy – which includes fast identification of the...
  • @showmethereal
    @Tom Verso

    I don't know about a biowar in this... The death rate is "only" (I don't trivialize anyone's life) 2%... That would mean it's not that effective as a biological agent.

    Replies: @Erebus, @clickkid

    That would mean it’s not that effective as a biological agent.

    Perhaps not as a killer, but that isn’t necessarily the goal.

    If it is a “designer virus”, it’s been designed to be damn effective as an economic and social disruptor.
    China’s effectively been shut down for a couple of weeks, and it’ll stay shut down for at least a week longer. That’s a lot of disruption.

    Moreover, China and the Chinese people have effectively been “isolated” from the RoW. Flights are being cancelled, notably with the Five Eyes in the lead, and Chinese aren’t welcome anymore. This is a stated US geo-strategic goal.

    One doesn’t have to kill 100,000s to do it. Just make sure it’s very contagious, and then fire up the Mighty Wurlitzer to put The Big Fear into everyone. Presto. China’s isolated.

    • Agree: clickkid
  • @showmethereal
    @Tom Verso

    I don't know about a biowar in this... The death rate is "only" (I don't trivialize anyone's life) 2%... That would mean it's not that effective as a biological agent.

    Replies: @Erebus, @clickkid

    Wrong!

    The aim of a bioweapon might be to cause the maximum economic damage, in which case it has already done pretty well.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @clickkid

    Well it's a silly one - unless the goal is to sabotage the whole world - since China is the number 1 trading nation in the world - and has the most travelers which go abroad and spend the most money in their host countries.

    Replies: @Erebus, @d dan

  • @Anon
    The coronavirus only effects chinese, and who cares if a few million die?
    There's a billion of the soul-less ant people as it is.
    We should be glad that God is culling these filthy heathens for the good of humanity. :)

    Replies: @Angharad, @Just passing through, @clickkid

    “Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.”

    – Oscar Wilde

    The mask of Internet anonymity permits you to reveal yourself.

  • Crossposting from my last comment on Godfree Roberts’ article:

    One more thought on why westerners are so shocked by the actions of the Chinese state in imposing quarantines and other measures we have seen.

    Because we in the West are so used to incompetent, ineffective and half-hearted government, that it does indeed shock us to a see a decisive, determined and well-funded government acting with such swiftness in the public interest.

    • Replies: @Big bob
    @clickkid

    And the Chinese are used to what exactly????


    Totalitarianism,authoritarian, mass murder,yup no wonder they're not bothered


    But the communist will be after this is over because there's a very high likely hood that milions of Chinese will be out of work due to factory closeres and the fact the economy in China is no where near as super dooper as people think


    With millions unemployed lets see how the fantastic Chinese deal with that!

    Frankly its easier to shovel up the dead than have to deal with the angry living

  • Vioxx killed 500,000 Americans: a toll that could have been reduced by 90% had the FDA issued a timely warning. Pharmaceuticals, correctly and legally prescribed, kill 140,000 Americans each year, yet most people are unaware of their lethality and do not know how to a prevent being killed this way. Coronavirus deaths are few, its...
  • One more thought on why westerners are so shocked by the actions of the Chinese state in imposing quarantines and other measures we have seen.

    Because we in the West are so used to incompetent, ineffective and half-hearted government, that it does indeed shock us to a see a decisive, determined and well-funded government acting with such swiftness in the public interest.

  • WASHINGTON D.C. – In recent weeks, concern over the emergence of a novel coronavirus in China has grown exponentially as media, experts and government officials around the world have openly worried that this new disease has the potential to develop into a global pandemic. As concerns about the future of the ongoing outbreak have grown,...
  • @johnwho
    I'd like to apologize to the author for my flippant comment about 'Science fiction.' Sorry, had a coupla beers and wasn't really thinking at the time.
    Doesn't mean I agree that America or American agents really started the virus in China. I don't.

    Replies: @clickkid

    Do you agree that the US is challenged, or considers itself to be challenged, geopolitically by China?

    Do you agree that global power is a zerosum game – ie the more power China has the less power the US has?

    Do you agree that the US is technically capable of causing such an outbreak as we currently see?

    Do you agree that this outbreak tends to weaken China economically, and therefore geopolitically – and therefore tends to strengthen the position of the US compared to China?

    Do you agree that elites in the US, China or any other country tend to act amorally to maximize their own power.?

    If you agree with all of the above, then why, given that the US surely has the motive, the means and the opportunity to have committed this attack, would it not do so?

  • Vioxx killed 500,000 Americans: a toll that could have been reduced by 90% had the FDA issued a timely warning. Pharmaceuticals, correctly and legally prescribed, kill 140,000 Americans each year, yet most people are unaware of their lethality and do not know how to a prevent being killed this way. Coronavirus deaths are few, its...
  • If this outbreak had occurred in the US, it is very likely that nobody would have noticed it.

    Tens of millions of Americans have no health insurance. Tens of millions more have such high deductibles that they just don’t have the cash to pay medical bills.

    For these people, it would take something really big to get them to the doctor and flu symptoms just don’t cut it. Many of the deaths would have been among the homeless and other marginalized groups, and thus essentially invisible,

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  • WASHINGTON D.C. – In recent weeks, concern over the emergence of a novel coronavirus in China has grown exponentially as media, experts and government officials around the world have openly worried that this new disease has the potential to develop into a global pandemic. As concerns about the future of the ongoing outbreak have grown,...
  • @Mefobills
    @Anon

    [Too much off-topic commenting on money/currency.]


    But it does illustrate the point, that money/credit has no reliable value. The intrinsic value of money is zero.
     
    I think I understand where you are coming from. The gold masters say that their "gold" has intrinsic value.

    I'm saying that money is a legal device that has to flux in relation to goods and services.
    If goods and services collapses (like Russia or the Confederacy) then what the money can buy collapses, and the money itself has lost purchasing power.

    Our (((friends)) being "internationalists" will shill for gold, because they can melt it down and escape to another country, to then make claims about its intrinsic value.

    Of course, to believe their claims, we have to overlook the 2000 year history of gold coins, where clipped coins circulated at par. It took 2000 years to figure out it was the kings stamp that made gold money, so listening to the tribe is a step backward for humans into ignorance.

    Money doesn't have intrinsic value, I agree. It is a device for allowing trade, a creation of man.

    Replies: @clickkid

    Sure, money in its role as currency is a means to facilitate trade. The premier currency by far in our modern age has been the USD, which has also been used by non-US countries as a reserve. Since it is used as a reserve (not just as a means of payment) it has allowed the US an artificially high standard of living, at the cost of a gradual loss of manufacturing jobs. It also allows the US givernment to run much higher deficits than would otherwise be the case.

    China is at the forefront of those countries gradually distancing themselves from this arrangement. The accumulation of gold by the Silk Road countries is common knowledge. China’s decision to stop accumulating the debt of the US givernment in 2013 freed up that capital for investment in Belt and Road Projects.

    This is the threat which is undermining the power of the US government and its associated oligarchs. I think we can all agree that when entities – whether governments, individuals or others – recognize threats to their power, they tend to try and do something about them.

  • @Godfree Roberts
    @Eagle Eye

    Let's elaborate on that idea:

    1. The US is engaged in a broad-spectrum attack on China's economy and reputation.

    2. The US Army has employed bioweapons for 70 years.

    3. 300 US Army personnel visit Wuhan two weeks prior to the first confirmed Coronavirus diagnosis.

    4. Wuhan is the travel hub for central China.

    5. Chinese New Year sees the largest human migration on earth, ever...

    See where this is going?

    Replies: @clickkid

    I would add to that the increasingly compelling evidence – see my post no. 80 – that East Asians are particularly susceptible to this virus and its effects.

  • @Anon
    @clickkid

    Money is created and destroyed everyday. How then is it a store of wealth? The value of money also goes to zero under other conditions. Money is not a store of wealth, and never has been. The 'store of value' myth is propaganda of Austrians, it is a wish fulfillment concept.

    Credit (money) is created for specific uses, and then it is destroyed, it disappears. When you pay off your mortgage or car debt, the money disappears.

    Replies: @clickkid

    Stop using the word ‘money’. There is ‘currency’ and there is ‘wealth’.

    Currency (means of exchange) cannot be a store of wealth over long periods because debt is denominated in currency – and debtors always want easy money. See present low and negative interest rates. Savers on the other hand want hard money which holds value. There is thus a conflict of interest between savers and debtors, meaning that it is unwise to save in the means of exchange.

    [MORE]

    Since the Genoa conference of 1922, but especially after Bretton Woods in 1944, the Dollar was as good as Gold – 35 Dollars was a certificate for an ounce of gold. Following the default of the United States on its Gold obligations to its international creditors in 1971, the US has consistently had large budget deficits and large trade deficits, which are essentially two sides of the same coin. It was able to do this without suffering the collapse of the dollar because the trading nations of the world continued to hold dollars (in the form of treasuries) as a store of wealth. They were prepared to do this because otherwise international trade would have collapsed without a means of payment. That is, their holding of dollars as reserves in the form of treasuries prevented the dollar from adjusting downwards, as it should have done in response to the trade deficit. This is the real reason that the US has lost manufacturing jobs.

    In the 80s amd the 90s it was primarily Europe and Japan which supported the Dollar in this way. Following the introduction of the Euro, the Eurozone stopped accumulating treasuries on a net Basis. The slack was taken up by China after 2001 – until 2013. Now, with insufficient domestic savings and foreigners increasingly unwilling to lend to the US government, the US faces hyperinflation in the not too distant future.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    @clickkid


    Stop using the word ‘money’. There is ‘currency’ and there is ‘wealth’.
     
    You need to stop confusing people with your confusion.

    Money is a generic term today, and there are different kinds of money. When people think of money they think of purchasing power.

    Money is general demand, pay to the bearer. It is also good for settling debts, which is a legal construct.

    Currency is an older term in history, and it comes from "make current" or to flow, to circulate.

    Wealth is another term. You can be wealthy in non-monetary terms.

    and debtors always want easy money.
     
    Think carefully on this:

    1) Is creditor over debtor?
    2) Is lender over borrower?

    The power relation is not debtor over creditor, and never has been. OK, maybe the U.S. as a debtor nation having power over others is the first example in history, but not on an individual level.

    You must be a confused Austrian Lolbertarian?


    The dollar was not good as gold post Bretton Woods. That is more hypnosis. The Bretton Woods conference established dollar as reserve because the U.S. had most of the worlds gold at the time, and people still thought that gold was money. This was an overhang of fractional reserve banking, where gold was put into reserve status of banks.

    Further, post Bretton, gold trading standard was put into place, which marked EXTERNAL TRADE in gold. I cannot think of any examples post Bretton woods, where an economy used gold internally.

    They were prepared to do this because otherwise international trade would have collapsed without a means of payment.
     
    And how did Germany consumate trade without dollars or gold? They used Schachts trading banks.

    I could go on, but you get the idea. You have been had - and have learned a perverted type of economics that has no bearing on reality. I detect lolbertarianism - which is a Jewish head fake, and hypnotizes people with bad concepts.

    Replies: @Kapyong, @Anon

  • @Eagle Eye
    @Godfree Roberts


    In Confucian China, with its consensus-driven policy-making process, trust in government makes rival factions pretty much impossible.
     
    Purported support for the government among the hoi polloi does not mean that brutal factional infighting cannot occur at the top.

    For one thing, the Bo Xilai incident a few years back showed that there are indeed different factions jostling for power at the top of the party and military hierarchies. In fact, it is impossible to imagine how a system would work where such factions did NOT exist to some extent at the top.

    Moreover, it is difficult to credit the extremely high figure of government support among the general population shown in the graph. The alleged figure of 78% of Chinese claiming to believe that their government works for everyone's benefit is dubious for several reasons.

    First, China remains a totalitarian country with strict control of any anti-government statement, and universal electronic surveillance and censorship of which all Chinese are keenly aware. In the circumstances, it is surprising that 32% of respondents did NOT express full confidence in their government's benevolence.

    Second, China has seen dramatic economic growth over the past 4 decades. Many Chinese over, say 40 will equate economic improvements with the conclusion that their government "works for everyone's benefit." At the same time, ordinary Chinese are well aware of the breathtaking corruption perpetrated by the party elite at all levels.

    Replies: @Godfree Roberts

    the Bo Xilai incident a few years back showed that there are indeed different factions jostling for power at the top of the party and military hierarchies. Not really. In 1985 Bo Xilai, son of a Revolutionary Immortal and Xi Jinping’s schoolmate, ignored his father’s pleas to stay out of politics, “You know nothing of the sufferings of ordinary people and just want to capitalize on my name.” Xilai cultivated a charismatic image, was named one of Time’s Most Influential People, rose rapidly to provincial governor and publicly campaigned for a cabinet position. But, as conservative scholar Cheng Li[1] said at the time, “Nobody really trusts him. A lot of people are scared of him, including several princelings who are supposed to be his power base.” Michael Wines[2] wrote that, though he possessed prodigious charisma and deep intelligence, “He possessed a studied indifference to the wrecked lives that littered his path to power…Mr. Bo’s ruthlessness stood out.” With the help of Justice Minister Zhou Yongkang, Bo had even wiretapped President Hu.

    Despite internal resistance, Vice Premier Wu Yi, the nation’s highest woman official, demanded an open investigation and a 2012 trial revealed that Bo owned expensive properties around the world and that his wife had murdered a British agent. They were jailed for life and joined a long line of disgraced elites like the grandson of China’s Head of State and founder of the Red Army, Zhu De, who was executed for rape, and Yan Jianhong, wife of Guizhou’s powerful Party Secretary, who was executed for corruption.

    Bo, a high-functioning sociopath, was a Western darling but was never a candidate for national leadership.

    China remains a totalitarian country with strict control of any anti-government statement, and universal electronic surveillance and censorship of which all Chinese are keenly aware. China is far less totalitarian than the US. Where else but in an totalitarian country does the leader have the sole power to:
    * Declare war. Frequently.
    * Issue 300,000 national security letters (administrative subpoenas with gag orders that enjoin recipients from ever divulging they’ve been served);
    * Control information at all times under his National Security and Emergency Preparedness Communications Functions.
    * Torture, kidnap and kill anyone, anywhere, at will.
    * Secretly ban 50,000 citizens from flying–and refusing to explain why.
    * Imprison 2,000,000 citizens without trial.
    * Execute 1,000 citizens each year prior to arrest.
    * Kill 1,000 foreign civilians every day since 1951
    * Massacre its own men, women and children for their beliefs
    * Assassinate its own citizens abroad, for their beliefs.
    * What leader saw his country’s military dropping 26,171 bombs in one year?

    Many Chinese over, say 40 will equate economic improvements with the conclusion that their government “works for everyone’s benefit.” In a multivariate regression analysis when other factors such as age, education, gender, income, religiosity, and geographic location are taken into consideration, government responsiveness played the single most significant role in promoting regime support in China. Existing studies typically attribute the high level of government support to three things: economic growth, media control, and cultural values. According to these studies, the Chinese are happy with their government because (1) their economic conditions have improved during China’s period of rapid growth; (2) they are brainwashed by the government-controlled media, which always presents a rosy picture of the country; and (3) the Confucian cultural values make people respect political hierarchy and avoid challenging authority.

    Yet when these three factors are compared with government responsiveness in the same regression model, the latter continues to show the strongest impact in promoting regime support. https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/02/surprise-authoritarian-resilience-china/

    ordinary Chinese are well aware of the breathtaking corruption perpetrated by the party elite at all levels. How do ordinary Chinese become aware of this breathtaking corruption? Where do they find the evidence? Next year, every Chinese will own a home and have a job, plenty of food, education, safe streets, health insurance, a pensions, and old age care.

    By then, 300,000,000 urban Chinese will have more net worth and disposable income than the average American, their mothers and infants will be less likely to die in childbirth, their children will graduate from high school three years ahead of American kids and live longer, healthier lives and there will be more drug addicts, suicides and executions, more homeless, poor, hungry and imprisoned people in America than in China.

    Does that look like a country run by breathtakingly corrupt people?

    _________________________________________
    [1] Profile: Bo Xilai. September, 2013. BBC
    [2] In Rise and Fall of China’s Bo Xilai, an Arc of Ruthlessness. By MICHAEL WINES. MAY 6, 2012. NYT

    • Agree: clickkid
    • Replies: @Parfois1
    @Godfree Roberts

    You are very patient answering comments from people who are deeply resistant to knowledge that contradicts their worldview and whose aim is not to learn, but to repeat the tropes and memes that sustain their prejudices.

    I wonder sometimes if ignoring them is preferable to wasting time and effort; on the other hand I can see that a superior argument may help others who genuinely are here to learn about our world and its ways.

    Its gratifying that you are here and you deserve our respect and admiration for your work. Thanks.

    Replies: @Eagle Eye

  • The question of whether or not East Asians are more susceptible than others to the effects of this Virus, hinges on the number of ACE2 receptor cells in the lungs, to which nCov attaches itself.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1

    Well – look at this table:

    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/ACE-II-genotype-frequency-in-different-populations-countries_tbl2_5642354

    https://twitter.com/HarmlessYardDog/status/1222635075046649856

    There we have it folks.

  • Anyone interested in China’s massive accumulation of gold (state and private sector) over the last few years should look at Koos Jansen’s work:

    https://www.bullionstar.com/blogs/koos-jansen/

    Those who’ve got the gold make the rules.

  • @Mefobills
    @Greg Bacon

    The Deep State knows it has to keep the petro-dollar on top, if it wants to keep control of the world, or at least the West. They can’t have uppity nations like China and Russia backing their currency with gold instead of bullets, so they must be contained

    ________________________________________________________


    China issues Yuan's at debt from both its State Banks and the lower tier private banks within its system.

    Russian central bank still operates under BIS Basel Rules.

    When Russia and China buy gold, it is for the specific purpose of shoring up FX (Foreign Exchange) which is usually based on dollars.

    The Gold play is to insulate their national debt based currencies from exchange rate fluctuations by storing gold. Russia is buying up all of their mined gold, which allows them to emit more Rubles, to then buy more Russian gold. This is in alignment with Basel Rules.

    So, lets please stop with the Gold nonsense. Metal isn't money. Scientific and Legal money fluxes in accord with Goods and Services.

    Post Bretton Woods, the WORLD TRADING GOLD STANDARD, used gold to match goods in transit (trading of services and goods outside of a nation's borders). This gold standard was pretty reasonable, as it then signaled to adjust exchange rates of a nation's money.

    You may recall, during the mercantile era of Gold, nations would war with each other to recover said gold lost in imbalanced trade. The mercantile era would roughly coincide with Britain's Colonial Era. Going way back in time, the Greeks warred with the Persians because of interest on gold, and then they had to go to war to recover it.

    Why war in mercantile era? Because internal to an economy, nation's had bank credit riding on top of their gold in a fractional reserve ratio. So, loss of gold to international trade imbalance, amplified losses of purchasing power internal to National economy.

    You can make gold work, for example in the gold trading standard - which ultimately failed in Nixon's closing of the gold window, or humans can pull heads out of rectum, and figure out that money = law.

    If humans want to ignore this iron law of economics, and take rents and usury on one another, that is a different story, and there is no god=gold.

    This miss-identification of metal as money is a big problem, and shows how low humans are in their understanding of money.

    I for one, welcome our new AI overlords, as they will have the mental digits to understand things average sheeple people cannot. Maybe humanity, if it continues on its dysgenic cycle of lowered IQ and violence, is doomed for the ash pile.

    Replies: @clickkid

    The two main functions of money are:

    1. Store of wealth
    2. Means of exchange.

    China and Russia (and others) have the first function in mind. As the present dollar-centred monetary system dies , they are relying on gold to transfer value to the new paradigm. Gold will never be ameans of exchange again as it was under the Gold Standard.

    If China had continued to accumulate US debt, as it did from 2001 to 2013, then it would not be coming under such sustained attack. As it is, China has abandoned support for the present dollar-centric system. On a net basis it now refuses to save the IOUs of the United States.

    2013 – China stops accumulating US treasuries, announces Belt and Road
    2014 – China surpasses US in size of exonomy (purchasing power parity)

    Negligible domestic savings and declining foreign demand mean that the Fed is now monetizing US debt. We are in the endgame. This attack on China, if that is what it is, is a sign of that and a sign of desperation. Indeed, it could serve to accelerate events.

    Debtors can get rather frustrated when their creditors refuse to extend credit any further.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @clickkid

    Money is created and destroyed everyday. How then is it a store of wealth? The value of money also goes to zero under other conditions. Money is not a store of wealth, and never has been. The 'store of value' myth is propaganda of Austrians, it is a wish fulfillment concept.

    Credit (money) is created for specific uses, and then it is destroyed, it disappears. When you pay off your mortgage or car debt, the money disappears.

    Replies: @clickkid

    , @Mefobills
    @clickkid

    The two main functions of money are:

    1. Store of wealth
    2. Means of exchange.

    Standard Wisdom.... and wrong.

    You can always exit money and own real assets. This is what the "owner" class does, and then they push their real assets in price, or use tricks to push their "finance paper" also called assets as part of the hypnotism.

    Those that hold or own capital, always escape money to then store real productive assets.

    It is only labor, which cannot acquire enough capital, to then escape... this is when money's "store of wealth" function is important.

    Also, money today is bank credit. Bank credit is a tax on the future. Bank credit comes into being with the "hope" that it can be paid back out of future wealth production.

    Equity money would be a different kind of money, usually issued debt free, and then becomes savings. That type of money would then represent equity, or already created wealth.

    Money's ultimate purpose is to mediate transactions... it divides down at the moment of transaction to allow the "deal" to go forward.

  • Corona Virus in China predicted 10 years ago:

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    @clickkid

    See nuclear war.

    No future super power will take any kind of attack on it's population centers without payback.

    Which is why I 99.999% doubt the American govt is stupid enough to do this.

    It seems the Chinese 250 nukes are no longer a strong enough deterrent. They need to build more, enough to make USA, EU, and Israel completely green.

    Then we will all be safe.

    , @William Oliver
    @clickkid

    Intro set to the tune of “Imagine” by John Lennon? No thank you!

    , @jack garbo
    @clickkid

    Going well until Roswell, aliens, magic powers, and the almighty Yada von Yada come to save the world. Call the warden!

    , @almondflake
    @clickkid

    I rushed through the article to come to the comment section to post this same video. But I'm glad to find that you got the first spot with this. Good job! Everyone needs to see this.

    We are living in weird times. First it was 9/11, then the Fukushima nuclear disaster, then this Wuhan Coronavirus, each becoming progressively harder to believe, but oh so possible and, quite incredibly, passing the gut-feeling test.

    , @Anonymous
    @clickkid

    Jesus,

    Anglos truly are the most evil people on this planet.

    This video shows exactly what is happening. Everything from the Iran War to the China Flu.

    White people reading this are fools if they think this won't affect them.

    Replies: @anon

    , @sailorbill
    @clickkid

    911 IS the Catalyst to destroy this evil within.

  • At the time of writing, 170 people have died of the Wuhan Coronavirus [Coronavirus Live Updates: Death Toll Rises, as Foreigners are Evacuated, New York Times, January 30, 2020], though that number is bound to have increased by the time this article is published. All of these deaths have been in China. The disease has...
  • Corona Virus in China predicted 10 years ago:

  • A five-alarm fire has broken out in a little known, but critically important area of the financial system where high-quality bonds are swapped for cash. The "repo" market, which is short for repurchase agreements, is part of the nondeposit, shadow banking system that remains largely unregulated despite the fact that it was ground zero in...
  • A nice piece of black humour I saw in a comment on ZeroHedge:

    “The year is 2023 and mankind has been exterminated by the corona Virus. Meanwhle in the basement of the Federal Reserve in New York a computer continues to create money and perform buy orders, pushing the Dow Jones to daily new all time highs, proving that the economy is doing great”

  • @9/11 Inside job
    @clickkid

    marketwatch.com : "4 reasons why China won't use 'nuclear option' of selling Treasurys to retaliate against the US" :
    "Investors say that China selling Treasurys remains an ineffective form of retaliation "

    Replies: @clickkid

    It wouldn’t be retaliation, simply using savings in an emergency.

    Surely understandable given the circumstances.

  • Vioxx killed 500,000 Americans: a toll that could have been reduced by 90% had the FDA issued a timely warning. Pharmaceuticals, correctly and legally prescribed, kill 140,000 Americans each year, yet most people are unaware of their lethality and do not know how to a prevent being killed this way. Coronavirus deaths are few, its...
  • @Peripatetic Commenter
    What is the probability that Big Pharma created the Corona Virus to help boost sales of flu and aids drugs?

    Replies: @clickkid

    Approximately 0,1%

    Is that near enough for you or shall I add a couple of decimal places?

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
    @clickkid

    Please show your working.

  • @Charlie Seattle1
    @CharlieSeattle

    Yes.

    https://nationalfile.com/scientist-explains-new-study-revealing-coronavirus-may-have-links-to-hiv/
    AIDS consistent protein structures for cellular penetration are evident in CoronaVirus. 93% consistency with HIV viral structures.

    The Chinese have been studying HIV in Wuhan very intensively. All the studies below are from Wuhan or from people who work in Wuhan who were overseas.

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2019.00069/full
    Chinese have been conducting CRISPR research on the AIDS virus. Actively manipulating AIDS samples and engineering them.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0083078
    They studied determinants associated with disease progression and death following HIV diagnosis. CD4 proteins within T Cells are an important factor. These activate immune system response, and are attacked and substituted by HIV.

    What's really interesting is that the progression profile in this paper actually matches quite well the CoronaVirus, in terms of time of diagnosis, age, and reduction in CD4 proteins within T-Immune Cells.

    That's really interesting. The Chinese have also confirmed they've been using anti HIV medication in patients: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047667/china-coronavirus-beijing-confirms-use-anti-hiv-drugs-some

    Why would you do that, if it's just an influenza strain? HIV medication is deadly for people who don't actually have an immune disorder.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article/authors?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0030443
    HIV-1 Subtype CRF01_AE - leads to epidemic. So most prolific. Would be interesting to check if Chinese CoronaVirus has CRF01_AE profile.

    Namely, the Chinese were studying specific HIV strains and sub-types leading to outbreaks in China.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0113736
    The Chinese have been conducting research on scale HIV care models in Wuhan - why? In case there was a breakout? From conducting CRISPR research on HIV?

    The below study is from the United States:

    https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2334-13-250
    It shows that HIV alters RNA expression. RNA regulates expression of genetic code.

    So that's your basis for opposing any kind of vaccine that will inject HIV samples that moderate gene expression. Because it would be a good thing to quell HIV. It wouldn't if you got a vaccine that was regulating other genes and genetic expression would it. Perhaps related to attitudes to authority, or just generalized cognitive and nervous system health.

    Well congratulations China and the Jews like Charles Lieber and at 23 and Me and Harvard and the Ivy League and the network Lieber will be revealing as he is water-boarded around the clock, in a just world.

    You've apparently created an airbourne AIDS virus that is much more infectious then the flu with asymptomatic incubation and which can swiftly mutate. Which causes ARDS and Pneumonia based Cytokine Storm with AIDS impact on T-Cells

    This is what happens in a world of post-Christian science and scientists.

    The whole world is going to get AIDS because of Jews and the Chinese, and it couldn't be a more fitting epitaph for paradigm/project GLOBOHOMO.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yC7HwPh6Es

    Can't wait to get AIDS. AIDS deserves hugs not drugs, so hug your liberal-progressive friends.

    The real issue here is racism and xenophobia.

    And all the people saying China couldn't or wouldn't ever, being so lily virtuous, be involved in this - why was Wuhan conducting CRISPR experimentation on the AIDS virus?

    Is China full of latent homosexuals spreading AIDS?

    Replies: @clickkid, @Godfree Roberts, @last straw

    The Chinese have been set up Charlie.

    Read this from Whitney Webb and then come back and tell us what you think:

    https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/76139/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus.html

    I can’t summarise – it’s best to read it all.

    • Replies: @kidclick
    @clickkid

    Isolation and characterization of a bat SARS-like coronavirus that uses the ACE2 receptor

    Most importantly, we report the first recorded isolation of a live SL-CoV (bat SL-CoV-WIV1) from bat faecal samples in Vero E6 cells, which has typical coronavirus morphology, 99.9% sequence identity to Rs3367 and uses ACE2 from humans, civets and Chinese horseshoe bats for cell entry.

    That paper is from a 2013 Issue of Nature magazine.

    The Chinese declared that they had made the first live SL-Cov virus sample, as described there, in Wuhan.

    Dual-Function research of the kind apparently collaboratively pursued according to Whitney Webb by elements in the United States and China makes redundant designations like 'military' or 'vaccine research'. They are one and the same.

    But there you have the Chinese claiming the first engineering of a live virus sample using Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2 from people and bats and civets. In 2013. Was that the CIA? Were those Chinese in Wuhan working for the CIA? Who knows.

    But you have at least the possibility give this that ACE-2 had nothing to do with 'targeting Asians'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_2

    It looks like most research in the West related to ACE-2 is linked to Cardiovascular disease.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spies-espionage.html

    China annihilated, so we're told, American agents in China years ago.

    Is the United States a monolith? Or China?

    If Webb is correct and there was collaboration between US and Chinese elements on this research, the implications are interesting. Because such collaboration ostensibly would be against the national interests of both countries would it not? Or would it? All very complex. No doubt both the Chinese and Americans are seeking answers. Charles Lieber's incredible and unprecedented arrest gives an indication of one angle.

    I don't know any answers, and I wouldn't make attributions I'm just a scared non-entity trying to understand what is happening.

    But what I do know is that the Chinese claimed the first engineered engineered ACE-2 CoronaVirus way back in 2013.

    And national interests aren't the only interests.

    If China were trying to make a vaccine it would make zero difference the purpose of the samples if any escaped from a BSL-4 facility. That's probably the most benign scenario that may have occurred here.

    In any case, it looks like the whole world is going to be in for a very difficult time.

    Spurious claims of targeting 'Asians only' will be offset by white western blood.

    Everybody needs to keep their head and work collaboratively to contain the virus, regardless of it's genesis which no one will be able to pinpoint for certain, except maybe Lieber's interrogators, maybe.

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

  • @freedom-cat
    @KA

    The lie that whites purposely used smallpox blankets to genocide natives continues on...

    If Whites had wanted to wipe out the "natives" we would have done it. Yet, there are 300 officially recognized tribes in the USA which doesn't include all the non-recognized tribes. And that's just in the USA...

    The Smallpox vaccine came out around 1798 and the U.S. government had a vaccine plan for the natives as well as the whites.

    You'd think from all the anti-white racism that Europeans created the smallpox disease themselves, although it originated someplace much further East than Europe.

    Replies: @clickkid

    Yeah – they were really spreading freedom and respect for human rights amongst the Native Americans.

  • @BlackDragon
    How about all you China bashers about hygiene live in INDIA! ALL major waterways are filthy and full of crap, they wash in them, drink them..no viruses in India..I wonder why. Cant be a hygiene problem can it Mr CIA. Yes partly agree some Chinese live in a mess. NO, I suspect and agree GR is correct this is a CIA bio hit job.

    Replies: @KA, @Anon

    India is less likely to have problems because Coronavirus will have a tough time muscling all the other viruses out of the way so it can get at the people. India’s a tough neighborhood for viruses because there’s so much competition.

    • LOL: clickkid
  • A five-alarm fire has broken out in a little known, but critically important area of the financial system where high-quality bonds are swapped for cash. The "repo" market, which is short for repurchase agreements, is part of the nondeposit, shadow banking system that remains largely unregulated despite the fact that it was ground zero in...
  • Connecting this issue to the situation unfolding in China.

    China now faces a national emergency, with many people unable to work and massive economic damage. To help deal with this, it would appear logical for them now to gradually liquidate all of their 1.1 trillion dollars’ worth ofUS Treasury bonds over the next couple of months.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
    @clickkid

    marketwatch.com : "4 reasons why China won't use 'nuclear option' of selling Treasurys to retaliate against the US" :
    "Investors say that China selling Treasurys remains an ineffective form of retaliation "

    Replies: @clickkid

  • At the time of writing, 170 people have died of the Wuhan Coronavirus [Coronavirus Live Updates: Death Toll Rises, as Foreigners are Evacuated, New York Times, January 30, 2020], though that number is bound to have increased by the time this article is published. All of these deaths have been in China. The disease has...
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    It can certainly infect Europeans - see the Germans mentioned above.

    Whether or not it will have differential mortality is far too early to tell. There are still only 145 confirmed cases abroad - of whom one has died as of today (a Chinese man in the Philippines). But note that there were just 2-3 deaths in China at the equivalent stage in their epidemic.

    I have seen criticisms of that study claiming that ACE2 prevalence is greater in East Asians making them more susceptible; samples were apparently far too small to make sweeping conclusions like that.

    Replies: @clickkid, @reezy

    Quite likely they are Germans.

    However, whereas Chinese are always Chinese, Germans aren’t always Germans.

    In Germany, the word ‘German’ refers to citizenship not ethnicity.

    Additionally, they are not ‘German cases’, but ‘cases registered in Germany’.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @clickkid

    Just ran into an older lady of German origin/ethnicity who thinks the Commie Merkel is just the cat's meow. She says she's moving back to her empty house back in Germany in a year, believing all those new "Germans" won't bother her in her little village. I hope they are squatting in her house right now.

  • Of course – Americans had better hope this disease only minimally infects non-Asians.

    Compared to the comprehensive response adopted by the Chinese state, how would it go down in the US?

    Let’s start with the tens of millions of people with no health insurance.

    Then consider tens of millions more without the cash they would need to pay the deductible amount before the insurance kicks in.

    All meaning many people postponing hospital or doctor’s visits to the very last minute for the lack of the financial wherewithal.

    • Replies: @The Bell Tolls
    @clickkid

    Since when did insurance have anything to do with your immune system's ability to fight a virus?

    I guess my dog's private insurance really is better than Obamacare.

  • It would appear that not only are viruses race-specific and to be expected to be race-specific, but that they have evolved the ability to sense patterns of human migration which give them the greatest chance to spread. Thus, this current corona virus seems to have developed the ability to sense when the Chinese New Year (with the associated huge movement of people) was about to take place, exploding just at the right time, and giving it the maximum opportunity to replicate and spread.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @clickkid

    Wow, ClickKid, those viruses are smart cookies! I would put a million 元 RMB against Godfree Roberts in an internationally televised debate with the leader of these Corona Viruses. We'd need to purchase one of those nano-microphones first, of course...

    , @d dan
    @clickkid


    "It would appear that not only are viruses race-specific and to be expected to be race-specific, but that they have evolved the ability to sense patterns of human migration which give them the greatest chance to spread."
     
    LOL. However, you forget to mention their greatest talent, i.e. their superb political astuteness to align disparate interest groups of big pharma, click-hungry media, anti-China trolls and conspiracists so as to maximize their name recognition in history.

    Other than that, I have to admit this is a very low performing species comparing with its other cousins:

    1. Wuhan Coronavirus (as of 2/2/2020): diagnosed: 15000, dead: 300.
    2. Flu (US alone for 2019-2020 season): estimated : 15 millions, dead: 8000 (including 54 children). [1]
    3. HIN1 of 2009 (US is one of the originating country) : affected 213 countries/regions with 16,900 death. [2]

    That's it. Never has so much be devoted by so many on so small creature of so little harm.

    Ref:
    [1] https://www.wcvb.com/article/a-deadly-virus-is-spreading-from-state-to-state-and-has-infected-15-million-americans-so-far-it-s-influenza/30713917#
    [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H1N1

    , @Kratoklastes
    @clickkid

    Quorum sensing (even across species) is common in bacteria (and less so in viruses), and is actually super-interesting ... but this virus has given evolution a blast from the spice weasel and kicked it up a notch (BAM!): familiarity with the Chinese calendar, and with the link between calendars and upswings in mass movements of humans.

    IANAM (M: microbiologist) but the apparent bias towards infection of the Hop Sings of the world reminds me of things like kuru (a type of TSE* caused by ritual cannibalism in Papua New Guinea).

    Maybe yon Chinkee ought to reconsider the merits of eating flying rats.


    TSE*: transmissible spongiform encephelopathy; similar to vCJD (variant Creutzfeld-Jakob disease), which was primarily caused by the livestock industry practice of slaughtering 'downer' cattle. In other words, it was karma, bitchez.

    , @Som-Tin-Phishy
    @clickkid

    There is something else behind all of this. The outbreak seems to also coincide with the banks that were in cascade failure in China. Way too coincidental. What better way to remain in control of the populace than to release a bio weapon that would be limited to Orientals? Maybe someone even wanted to get revenge. ;-)

  • Vioxx killed 500,000 Americans: a toll that could have been reduced by 90% had the FDA issued a timely warning. Pharmaceuticals, correctly and legally prescribed, kill 140,000 Americans each year, yet most people are unaware of their lethality and do not know how to a prevent being killed this way. Coronavirus deaths are few, its...
  • @Philip Owen
    @clickkid

    Boy babies born to starving mothers have a higher death rate in later life. Babies of the Dutch Hunger Winter, the men of 1990's Russia born of Bolshevik and war time starvation. Chinese born in WW2 (1933-1947 in China), during the Great Leap forward and the Cultural Revolution. No need to suggest a targetted virus.

    Replies: @clickkid

    Yeah – and the Chinese government shuts half of the country down because of it, with all of the economic consequenes that that holds.

  • HIV genes apparently found in the Coronavirus ‘unexpectedly’

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1223308656101462016

    • Replies: @ivan
    @clickkid

    It's a claim based on nothing but selective reading of matches of small sections of the HIV's genetic code. If you read the original article, you will find the comments have comprehensively demolished the article. It does seem that this virus is nothing other than a mutation of bat coronavirus. So nothing here for the conspiracy theorists.

    Replies: @showmethereal

  • @Yee
    Astuteobservor II,

    "Even if we go by this scenario of a nuclear power like China eating this suppose bio attack, at the very least it means China is now hands free when it comes to launching similar attacks in the USA."

    No, China won't do that. China won't do even political assassination, let alone bio-attack on civilians.

    Everything has a price. Once you resolve to immoral tactics, you'd lose the confidence in yourself.

    Whether it's a natural disease or a bio-attack, it'd be overcome quickly, China has more important goals to achieve than attacking the American civilians.

    Replies: @clickkid, @Astuteobservor II

    Exactly!

    The whole reason for US hostility to China is that China is winning the peace. If you’re winning the peace, you don’t need to start war. China – and Russia – are rolling with the punches. A rope-a-dope strategy if you will.

    2013 – China stops accumulating US Treasuries on a net basis and accelerates purchases of gold.

    2014 – Chinese economy becomes bigger than that of the US on Purchasing Power Parity basis

    The Fed is now massively monetizing US debt, because China and others stopped buying.That can’t go on for ever.

  • Godfree Roberts, thank you for this excellent article, indeed all your writing.

    Given the geopolitical context of the last few years, I am 90% convinced that a US bioweapon has been used against China.

    This molecular biologist makes the case that the virus is, with overwhelming probability, bioengineered.

    The conjecture here is that Asian males are particularly susceptible.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1

    Putting those two together – bioengineered for Asian males.

    Indeed, how many Caucasian or African or Arab etc victims have we seen so far? Outside China this thing just isn’t taking off – a mere dribble of cases, mostly Chinese tourists or businesspeople.

    We wait and watch.

    Two more things:

    Even the alternative media isn’t touching this.

    Reading comments on a wide variety of platforms, I have been struck by the sheer bile and hatred of many westerners for China and the Chinese. Presumably out of frustration that their own failing societies are being overtaken.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @clickkid

    One elementary reason for ACE-5 pathways from a Bat SARs derived Chinese bioweapon would be to overcome maximum human immunity.

    Chinese have the highest immunity to bats from localised proximity and sustained consumption.

    If you could splice a Chimera Virus in Wuhan that could overcome Chinese immunity, think about what it would do to western immune systems once it was adapted to their genetic signatures?

    It would simply wipe them out.

    Then imagine you'd just forced your population to accept SARs vaccines that actually made them more susceptible to a Corona type influenza virus?

    Particularly if a set of traitors in the highest echelons of American institutions, predominately Jewish and Israeli, were providing you with the genetic banks that you needed to engineer your weapon.

    Particularly also if your network of Chinese operatives in the West were using dual-purpose and function-extension research in western institutions to create cultures and then transport them back to Chinese weapon facilities.

    Why would you then hire post-grads to handle such samples in a BSL-4 facility?

    You have no basis to claim the United States has done anything in China.

    People in the US don't even want to fight fricken Iran or the Aleutian Islands. Do you think they want to expire in a hailstorm of Chinese hypersonic nuclear missiles? Really?

    Americans are dying. White Americans. White Europeans are also succumbing, they're just a little further back on the curve.

    Because of China's unbelievable, monumental, historical hubris derived fuck up and incompetence.

    Look at the localised factors. They still could have controlled this.

    Do you know what the Wuhan government did? Arrest medical personnel who spoke out about the Virus.

    Hold a rally full of infected to wave flags and praise the political establishment.

    Hide the outbreak in circumstances of asymptomatic incubation and infection. For months.

    It's just a shit-storm catastrophe. And the whole world is going to help China because this could fuck everyone.

    Westerners are tired of China's behaviour.

    Do you think western Christians would fare any differently to Xinjiang Muslims in a Chinese administrated territory?

    This is one theory. But it's absolutely puerile to see a 90% chance of what you say. Ridiculous, even. The virus has mutated in Japan.

    And Chinese New Year means the whole world is now a ticking time-bomb of pending latent cases.

    Just use your brain dingus. This was an accidental event.

    Replies: @denk

    , @Philip Owen
    @clickkid

    Boy babies born to starving mothers have a higher death rate in later life. Babies of the Dutch Hunger Winter, the men of 1990's Russia born of Bolshevik and war time starvation. Chinese born in WW2 (1933-1947 in China), during the Great Leap forward and the Cultural Revolution. No need to suggest a targetted virus.

    Replies: @clickkid