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    *** * MUSTREAD. @pseudoerasmus thread on the history of the Taliban. * Steve Sailer on Pashtun proverbs. * Erik D'Amato: 20 Hungarian Lessons the West Is Still Missing * Noah Carl: Observations on Afghanistan * Lyman Key thread on Chinese TFR. We still don't really know what's going on there. * MUSTREAD. Philip Lemoine: Why...
  • Imagine being Anatoliy Karlin and thinking that because Ballot boxes weren’t stuffed (which is in itself a debatable proposition but we will accept it for the sake of argument), that having US advisors, strategists and money won’t change the election results in your favor. Which the ‘data’ (if Clinton archives are to be believed) shows – around the time when Clinton started helping Yeltsin, there was a turnaround of Yeltsin’s fortunes, compared to the KPRF which for all intents and purposes did no campaigning lol

  • First thought is that the US spent 20 years and $2 trillion trying to build a democracy in a half-literate country of goatherders that disintegrated within 20 days. Think what you could have done with that (dependent on your preferences). "Green New Deal". Free college. 335 ship Navy. Mars base. This adventure must have set...
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Xi-jinping

    Re-abortion. Yes, I privilege official Russian statistics - which show exactly the same trends of rapid decline as in neighboring post-Soviet countries - over the rants of an embittered emigre who has many "powerful" ideas on all sorts of topics.

    Re-1996 elections... "seeing the big picture that the election was ‘rigged’ in so much as Yeltsin had support from the US and was essentially a US puppet". The definition a "rigged" election hinges on whether ballot stuffing and the like changes its results relative to what they would have been in its absence, not on whether the winning candidate is an American puppet or not. Goddamn you're a shit for brains moron.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    Yes, I privilege official Russian statistics

    Which is your error. As Bashibuzuk demonstrated to you on numerous occasions that ‘official statistics’ do not paint the full picture. As most women go to private clinics for abortions anyway.

    over the rants of an embittered emigre

    I am not an emigre. I live in Asia and use a VPN lol

    many “powerful” ideas on all sorts of topics

    Says the guy with a blog on an obscure site trying to justify his ‘powerful’ ideas on all sorts of topics with ‘statistics’ lol

    As Mark Twain said, “There’s lies, damn lies and statistics”.

    The definition a “rigged” election hinges on whether ballot stuffing

    Definition of “Rigged” according to who? Anatoliy Karlin? Wasn’t aware he was an ‘authority’ on election rigging.

    Besides you want to tell me that supporting favored candidates with money, propaganda, staffers, and advisors is not ‘rigging’? Okay then.

    the like changes its results relative to what they would have been in its absence

    Which is why the KPRF was doing much better than Yeltsin until Clinton started helping him, as ‘official data’ from the Clinton archives shows. Clintons help turned the situation around entirely for Yeltsin. Even Medvedev admits it. Oh wait, you ignore that because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

    God damn you’re a shit for brains moron. Or entirely dishonest. I can’t tell which.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Xi-jinping


    I am not an emigre. I live in Asia and use a VPN lol
     
    I was referring to Bashibuzuk. I couldn't care less about your status.

    Besides you want to tell me that supporting favored candidates with money, propaganda, staffers, and advisors is not ‘rigging’? Okay then.
     
    Literally correct.

    Idiotic unfunny trolling. I tolerate intelligent trolling, and I tolerate funny trolling, but not both. But if you are neither intriguing us nor entertaining us, then you are just taking up space. Banned.
  • @Passer by

    The percentage of Afghans who said they sympathized with the Taliban in 2019 was just 13%, shrinking to 8% in Kabul.
     
    Do you know how i know that this poll is wrong? Afghanistan is famous for "green on blue attacks". Basically an afghan soldier or a policeman will suddenly start shooting at his "comrades" or at americans.

    If you followed the war, you would know that every week there was an attack of the sort "a soldier/policeman killed his comrades at the checkpoint and brought their equipment to the Taliban". It was a very common occurrence in the conflict.

    And the were more such insider attacks in Afghanistan than in Iraq. Very dangerous. US special forces got owned in such attacks too, and even the commander of US forces Gen Miller barely escaped such an ambush.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Xi-jinping

    Karlin relies too much on ‘polls’ or ‘statistics’ that he digs up from somewhere. Many of these ‘statistics’ do not give context or are devoid entirely of nuance. In fact looking at ‘statistics’ only obfuscates the picture even more because ‘statistics’ can be easily manipulated, or if its not misses many contextual issues that can be only obtained by trying to understand the situation from a more empirical context.

    He made the same error regarding the ‘fall’ in abortions in russia – because official statistics showed they decreased, but did not account for them moving to private clinics rather than government owned clinics.

    Same with they Yeltsin 1996 – where he gets fixated on votes by region rather than seeing the big picture that the election was ‘rigged’ in so much as Yeltsin had support from the US and was essentially a US puppet. Whether the ballot boxes were stuffed is irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Xi-jinping

    Re-abortion. Yes, I privilege official Russian statistics - which show exactly the same trends of rapid decline as in neighboring post-Soviet countries - over the rants of an embittered emigre who has many "powerful" ideas on all sorts of topics.

    Re-1996 elections... "seeing the big picture that the election was ‘rigged’ in so much as Yeltsin had support from the US and was essentially a US puppet". The definition a "rigged" election hinges on whether ballot stuffing and the like changes its results relative to what they would have been in its absence, not on whether the winning candidate is an American puppet or not. Goddamn you're a shit for brains moron.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

  • The percentage of Afghans who said they sympathized with the Taliban in 2019 was just 13%, shrinking to 8% in Kabul.

    Do you know how i know that this poll is wrong? Afghanistan is famous for “green on blue attacks”. Basically an afghan soldier or a policeman will suddenly start shooting at his “comrades” or at americans.

    If you followed the war, you would know that every week there was an attack of the sort “a soldier/policeman killed his comrades at the checkpoint and brought their equipment to the Taliban”. It was a very common occurrence in the conflict.

    And the were more such insider attacks in Afghanistan than in Iraq. Very dangerous. US special forces got owned in such attacks too, and even the commander of US forces Gen Miller barely escaped such an ambush.

    • Agree: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Passer by

    My sons's best friend spent his war in Afghanistan in blackface, delivering and repairing digital radios to intelligence contacts. He wasn't even SAS (to say more would still be revealing too much). Special Forces were effective. All sides were bribable. Many of the Taliban were just there for the money. The Afghan National Army was owed a lot of back pay by the government. (Rule number one of strong government. Pay the Army and Police well. The Afghan government broke it).

    In news from elsewhere, the outgoing (they are resisting so far) Zambian government paid less attention than was good for it to the army and police. The incumbent President himself, unable to adjust results, so huge is the vote against him, says elections were not free and fair. (Sounds like Putin on the subject of democracy). The army (I know some generals) says that the courts should decide that. The army will uphold the constitution.

    It seems that people do not support massively corrupt governments anymore, even if tribal loyalists are given some crumbs.

    Replies: @Passer by

    , @Xi-jinping
    @Passer by

    Karlin relies too much on 'polls' or 'statistics' that he digs up from somewhere. Many of these 'statistics' do not give context or are devoid entirely of nuance. In fact looking at 'statistics' only obfuscates the picture even more because 'statistics' can be easily manipulated, or if its not misses many contextual issues that can be only obtained by trying to understand the situation from a more empirical context.

    He made the same error regarding the 'fall' in abortions in russia - because official statistics showed they decreased, but did not account for them moving to private clinics rather than government owned clinics.

    Same with they Yeltsin 1996 - where he gets fixated on votes by region rather than seeing the big picture that the election was 'rigged' in so much as Yeltsin had support from the US and was essentially a US puppet. Whether the ballot boxes were stuffed is irrelevant.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  • @Gujjar
    Pakistani here. We’re against the ideology of the Taliban. However, the Taliban is the least anti-Pakistan group in Afghanistan (many Afghans dislike Pakistan due to historical reasons over land dispute).

    Our goal is to establish a pro-Pakistan government in Kabul to fulfil strategic and geoeconomic demands. The Taliban governance will prevent India’s growing hegemony in the country, allowing Pakistan to achieve strategic depth. Moreover, there are firm economic reasons as to why the Pakistan wants the Taliban in power in Afghanistan. The TAPI gas pipeline was meant to be created in the 1990s and can be constructed easily now that Taliban will soon gain international recognition. This means that Pakistan’s much-needed energy demands will be satisfied by deriving hydrocarbon reserves from Turkmenistan. This is purported to be one of the major energy features in the globe today, matching the oil reserves in the Arabian peninsula. Connecting Pakistan to Central Asia would make virtually all Central Asian countries (Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, &c.) highly dependent on Pakistan, and thus invested in Pakistan’s socioeconomic development. The Chinese Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) will also be bolstered by this. Both China and Russia have moved closer towards Pakistan recognising its geopolitical importance.

    The Afghan nation will now experience a weakening of its currency, and will be more likely to adopt Pakistan’s rupee. This would strengthen the currently weakened rupee. The Afghan national reconstruction will also be headed by Pakistani corporations, allowing Pakistan to achieve a boost to its high-value added companies. An export-led model is imperative to economic growth.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @Ali Choudhury, @showmethereal

    Also, a strong Taliban that agrees to keep terrorist out of Xinjiang in exchange for Chinese investment also plays to increasing stability at China’s borders and to further bringing the region under its influence (China has strong influence over Pakistan due to BRI), Taliban rule only strengthens this further (particularly if the Taliban continues to cooperate).

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltSerrice

    All depends where precisely between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (1996-2001) and the Islamic Republic of Iran they will end up.

    I've seen good arguments for both. Yours is an example of the latter, hopefully for both Afghans and most everyone else pre-victory rhetoric matches post-victory reality.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    The rapidity and efficiency with which the Taliban took over Afghanistan (Kabul in particular), their discipline when taking the Presidents Palace, their ability and desire to work with Russia (they took it upon themselves to protect the Russian consulate)/China (agreed to Chinese investments) and Iran indicate that they are going to be an efficient state (this is unlikely to change at least for one generation).

  • I think you are unnecessarily pessimistic about the future of Afghanistan under the Taliban. Everything we’ve seen of them so far suggests that they intend to govern Afghanistan as a proper state, and not as the radical militia we saw in the 90s (though of course intentions aren’t always actualised). Put simply, they seem to have matured as an organisation. Both in military terms, able to perform coordinated multi-front offensives in a reasonably organised fashion, and from a governance perspective too — they have long had a political office in Doha and have prospective governors and other government officials lined up. 20 years of war is likely to make any organisation more pragmatic — just look at how their Islamist rhetoric has moderated. Even the Hazara regions simply rolled over for them, which is obviously as a result of their multi-decade effort to become more than radical islamist Pashtuns (I believe they even have a Shia Hazara in a high position internally).

    Plus, soon-to-be President Ghani Baradar was not just in China, but in Iran and Russia too. If I recall right the Russians had good things to say about the productivity and professionalism of their dialogue.

    • Replies: @Gujjar
    @AltSerrice

    The intended model should be to replicate the sharia governance practiced in Saudi Arabia (until recently) and Brunei.

    If the Taliban can achieve some semblance of modernity with sharia, they’ll be accepted in the international community and by Afghan people.

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltSerrice

    All depends where precisely between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (1996-2001) and the Islamic Republic of Iran they will end up.

    I've seen good arguments for both. Yours is an example of the latter, hopefully for both Afghans and most everyone else pre-victory rhetoric matches post-victory reality.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    , @Philip Owen
    @AltSerrice

    The wily Afghan has a 200 year long record for not honouring his promises to Christian infidels.

  • Chinese protectionism/censorship (they only allow 34 Hollywood movies a year) has helped incubate a domestic film industry. As Richard Hanania points out, citing a study by James McMahon, that as of now, 9 out of 10 of the highest grossing films in Chinese history are domestic, all released in the last few years. Something like...
  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @mal


    Is it just me, but i have noticed that in a lot of American shows the “good guys” speak with British accent? Especially if they are white and male.

    If so, i think US is purposefully diminishing its role as a global culture hub.
     

    Wouldn't that be evidence for the opposite?

    Even though the label still says ‘made in America’. But is sushi an American culture just because there’s a Japanese restaurant on every corner in US? I think it would be stretching it. I would argue sushi is still Japanese culture, even if made in America.
     
    While you're agonising over what fits your label of "Japanese" or "American", someone else is selling a lot of sushi.

    Will this cosmopolitan mix sell well globally?
     
    US cultural products only seem to fail this way by being too early. Some people take this as evidence that the US is forcing everyone down the same cultural agenda, but I'd say they're just good at getting ahead of the flow.

    I mean, do Bangladeshi peasants really care about race relations in the US?
     
    Bangladeshi peasants don't want "prestige" US films, but I bet they like Fast & Furious.

    So i guess i would argue US as a country isn’t really a hub anymore. It has been replaced by a more global vision
     
    It remains a hub because it is a global vision. Or perhaps, because the people making stuff have global vision and see what is coming next.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    It remains a hub because it is a global vision.

    Global vision? US doesn’t have a global vision. It has momentum. Due to being the dominant cultural force for the better part of 50 years, people are accustomed to US media and it continues to use this to spread its ideas. However, at this point I think that US culture is beginning to lose appeal and is slowing down – especially with the rise of Asia and asian powers beginning to replace it (look at how Saudi Arabia allowed BTS concerts, whereas it would not allow US bands to perform. Moroever, look at how North Korea allowed a South Korean band to perform but not a US band)

  • @Daniel Chieh
    @Mr. Hack

    They're not trying to export at all, so that's not surprising.

    Japan has an extremely active and actually population animation movie industry right now, but you don't really hear about it much either, even with a significant American fanbase. It even has "woke"-ish themes that some in the West would like.

    https://www.avclub.com/mobile-suit-gundam-hathaway-reckons-with-the-privilege-1847228242

    But if there's no effort to localize or export, its not surprising that you won't hear it. Chinese media being exported right now are all video games, which I think is probably the right way about it, being that it hits a younger audience and generally just seems to work better(Poland's recent soft power comes from The Witcher, which was originally anchored by the game as well).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Levtraro, @Xi-jinping

    China is using its national champions like Tencent to set it up for future cultural dominance. Rather than buying up newspapers and TV stations (that would have met opposition in other countries), Tencent is buying up video game companies the world over and nobody is the wiser. This is a clever play to control the mass medium of the future – mainly video games. Tencent is making a bet that video games are the future. We will see if they made a good bet.

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @lavoie

    Extremely rigorous laws, only selectively applied, is the global standard for corruption done subtly.

    Replies: @lavoie, @Xi-jinping

    Not really. Those laws are nuanced and mainly meant to act as protectionist measures and to not have any directly seditious materials produced (like Leviathan).

    I’ve watched many similiar movies and they have even had excellent critical acclaim within China as well.

  • I mentioned this Ipsos poll on global attitudes to LGBT in a previous Open Thread, but it really deserves a separate post on account of its significance. I think it demonstrates three things: LGBT rights (as in marriage and adoption) have become universalized beyond their Western core, with the Rest sliding into line soon after...
  • I don’t know why everyone is surprised by this trend. I wrote about it multiple times in comments on this blog. The reason for LGBT spread is very much the same reason for low TFRs. Just like women have been brainwashed by media not to have kids, because they view having kids as ‘not modern’ or ‘not fashionable’, so too do younger generations view ‘being gay/supporting LGBT’ as ‘fashionable’ as that is the predominant media trend and is very much a symptom of US cultural hegemony. This is also why places with strong exposure to US culture will have coincidentally low TFRs and also tend to be the gayest. Adjacent countries will have youth consuming US media because it is viewed as the ‘cool’ thing to do and therefore adopt these views – which accounts for why China is so pro-LGBT – there is a strong western worship contingent amongst the Youth there. Especially given the fact that many Chinese go back and forth between China and Western countries and bring these ideas with them.

    A smart government can reverse this trend by flooding its media spaces with the opposite propaganda.

    The data it seems is only confirming what I said earlier.

  • @Yevardian

    It’s quite stunning. Only 57% of American zoomers identify as totally heterosexual, versus 95% of boomers. There can only be one explanation for such a rapid change in historical time. Genetic explanations of homosexuality are not very convincing as it is (they impose extremely large reproductive costs), but even that aside, there is no way that this could have happened in a couple of generations. Cultural fad is the most succinct explanation.
     
    Most homos become become homos because they were fondled or otherwise had some sort of sexual experience first imposed on them by older homos, such has always been the case. Male sexual preferences are determined in large part but initial foundational experiences.

    Historically, when eunuchs and other varieties of pervert have captured the organs of state, its always led to extremely oppresive and arbitrary government. I'd even greatly prefer a woman run a country than a pervert.

    Replies: @Wency, @Xi-jinping

    The theory that somehow early sexual abuse creates homos or causes ‘trauma’ seems rather strange to me…how can a child who doesn’t understand the greater implications of what is happening be ‘traumatized’ by it, especially if its not a painful but rather is a pleasant event?

    Rather it seems it becomes a problem in retrospect, after social conditioning gets its hands on them or alternatively when they want to win pity points.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Xi-jinping

    ...

    I honestly can't tell whether you're trolling, or just extremely autistic, even by the standards of anonymous internet forums. Anyway I'm at a loss for a reply.

    , @Kuru
    @Xi-jinping


    how can a child who doesn’t understand the greater implications of what is happening be ‘traumatized’ by it, especially if its not a painful but rather is a pleasant event?
     
    Laws against paedophillia was the original #MeToo trend?
  • Like them, hate them, or consider them genderfluid TikToking herbivores, but one thing the zoomers undoubtedly get right is that they know the value of their labor and aren't afraid to spell out their conditions to seething boomers. Isn't this, like, the free market at work? Why would a supposed "libertarian" have a problem with...
  • @Yellowface Anon
    @mal


    Then those jobs are pointless and should be automated or eliminated through organizational changes.
     
    What jobs can they take when much of them can be automated? That is why many are advocating for UBI to "absorb" the masses of excess labor made obsolete. Which will go away when state organizational ability and/or remaining institutional trust vaporizes (what happens at the end of Late Antiquity)

    So no, “people still working” never paid for those outlays and never will. That’s what budget deficit means.
     
    I think libertarians and indeed many economists suggests reduction on both taxation and budget, which is basically removing state functions and putting them back into the market/civil society. You can debate whether this will lead to better outcomes (it is downstream from what social structures you have), but budget deficits are not inevitable.

    No such thing as free market and never was. We live in a fiat currency world and that means we must print money to survive.
     
    There have been many free markets but those are efficient when culture and ideology enable them. Fiat currency was a choice made by the American Imperialists and it can be changed (in fact there are shifts to crypto which are sounder than fiat). Our survival depends on real production, which can seldom be stimulated by money printing, but mostly independent and often hindered by inflationism.

    Your choices are: 1) neoliberalism where by definition commercial banking system prints magic fiat and gives it as credit lines to the rich and corporations;
     
    This is of course bad. Which is why there is the concept of 100% reserves, i.e. muggle saving money.

    or 2) state driven development and aggregate demand support where central banks print exact same magic fiat and give it as credit lines to the government.
     
    That will approach some sort of central planning which can work suboptimally for some time and have serious inbalances building up later on.

    Neoliberalism has been dead since 2008. We are entirely state and central bank driven now. Giving free money to the rich is less efficient than giving free money to the poor, so income support for the poor is a better policy choice.
     
    It is actually a good thing to experiment economic theories since they will all fail. But

    US then built the most powerful economy in the world through state investment and planning
     
    .
    The base was already there and built by "robber barons" who actually massively lowered basic good prices thu mass production.

    That’s not what US government bonds are saying. US government can borrow at 1.3% and market can’t get enough of government debt. It is irresponsible to not give market what it craves.
     
    It has been systematically repressed and we need to see for 3-6 months for the inevitable upward adjustment.

    I'm sorry, I wish Keynesian economics can be applied to this world too, but clearly it is running on Randian logic for a decade or two now.

    Replies: @mal, @Xi-jinping

    That will approach some sort of central planning which can work suboptimally for some time and have serious inbalances building up later on.

    No. Central planning is precisely what makes a powerful and functional economy. It gives a ‘goal’ for the economy to move towards. A bunch of people doing many things at once is unproductive and a waste of resources. ALL states that produced ‘economic miracles’ from the US, to the USSR, to Japan, South Korea and China used Central Planning. “Free market” only works when there is a certain baseline established. Removing government functions and putting it into the hands of the ‘free market’ is only a recipe for disaster.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Xi-jinping

    I'll see it the other way and say any form of economic planning need to be built on the base of prior market economies, no matter how free the markets are. Markets are largely organic, plans are largely artificial.

    Some planning is good if you have the culture and ideology to go for it. But a command economy eventually run aground like in the Soviet Union. A problem of extent.

  • Time for something more stereotypical. *** * The AK. About a couple of months ago the National Bolsheviks ("Other Russia") had me round to their "bunker" for a podcast. It's now been released, you can listen to it here. (Obviously only in Russian). Alt Right columnist Tobias Langdon "featured me" as a Jew besmirching the...
  • @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-jinping

    Yamamato, the "Fierce People", are obviously not mobile hunter-gatherer tribes. I have studied them for some time, among other things, I've even watched the original Napoleon Chagnon video of them. They are sometimes seen as the classic form of a chiefdom, and are very settled.

    Their longhouse(shabono):

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/ShabanoYanomami.jpg

    Note the existence of walls, clear evidence of significant settlement as well as necessity to defend.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabono

    Yanomami crops, which is based around slash and burn agriculture:

    https://i.imgur.com/saBQLuB.png

    http://victorenglebertphotography.blogspot.com/2014/11/brazil-yanomami-slash-and-burn.html

    The Yanomami can be classified as foraging horticulturalists, depending heavily on rainforest resources; they use slash-and-burn horticulture, grow bananas, gather fruit, and hunt animals and fish. Crops compose up to 75% of the calories in the Yanomami diet.

    Yanomami usage of dry foods:

    https://i.imgur.com/hyxFCZ5.png

    They have an entire process to make cassava edible, but I remember reading as a child that they also process other roots in the same way to make flour. With the existence of flour is the ability to storage food for long periods of time, which is the basis of wealth.

    So yes, they are a highly violent settled population. They are not roving tribes: those would be people like the Hadza, the !Kung Bushmen, etc. Such tribes have no use for extra population, so they can't kidnap anyone, and since they don't use flour, they can't save food. They basically lack the concept of wealth, or any real ability to hold territory. They do have status games and importance, and men are ranked by their ability to bring in high value food, but their population are too small for warfare.

    As for Evola:


    It was Evola's custom to walk around the city of Vienna during bombing raids in order to better "ponder his destiny". During one such raid, 1945, a shell fragment damaged his spinal cord and he became paralyzed from the waist down, remaining so for the rest of his life.
     
    As a kind of Hermetic, I do like him but I think he allowed his worship of the Sun element to be a bit too extensive. The Jupiterian aspect, without counterbalance, can lead one to some unusual ideas into hubris.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping, @Morton's toes

    food, but their population are too small for warfare.

    I suggest you read the article then. They may not be nomadic tribes but they are far from an agricultural civilization. In the article I posted it says that what surproised Chagnon the most was the ever present pervasive state of warfare the tribes had. Also, roving bands of gatherers have non-permanent settlements sinilar to nomads. This is more applicable to the Yanomamo. But point is that even though population where small, they all still fought constantly.

    As a kind of Hermetic, I do like him but I think he allowed his worship of the Sun element to be a bit too extensive. The Jupiterian aspect, without counterbalance, can lead one to some unusual ideas into hubris.

    Yes I agree, however this was not the reason I brought up Evola. He has a very good definition of Aristocracy that was applicable to the situation.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-Jinping

    Yanomamo populations are not small. You could do just a quick google to see that they number in tens of thousands in a few hundred villages, with hundreds of people per village. They get most of their nutrition from crops, so yes, um...they are agricultural, literally dependent on them.

    They fight because there's profit in it.

    Roving hunter gatherers have populations of less than a hundred per band.

    They don't fight because there's no profit in it.

    , @Svevlad
    @Xi-Jinping

    The Yanomano aren't really a good example because their warfare is ritualized at this point. It's more "showing off" and a ritual rather than some mass slaughtering you imagine

  • @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-jinping


    A stone age lifestyle is characterized by rule by sheer strength – might is right. The only law is the law of the jungle – an eye for an eye and what you can take and hold.
     
    No, AaronB is talking about hunter-gatherer bands.

    Hunter-gatherers lacked the resources for significant warfare capacity. You can look at the wandering tribes of Native Americans - who had quite brutal histories, but the populations were really quite small and so the actual scope of murder was surprisingly limited. They did have brutal warfare at times, much as even chimpanzees did, but they did not have the resources and time to specialize individuals into a dedicated soldier-caste.

    It would really take agriculture for that to happen - the start of settled chiefdoms, which allowed for wealth to exist in the form of grain, and the existence of a strongman chiefdom and an entourage of warriors, where you get things like the Fierce People and 70-80% mortality among men by warfare.

    I think Aaron has voiced at times an opposition to agriculture. This idea is also echoed by the novel "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn, that settled life and agriculture led to a vast change in society and exploitation of nature(of "Takers" going beyond "Leavers.")

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    Hunter-gatherers lacked the resources for significant warfare capacity.

    Look at the yamamato tribes. They engage in constant warfare with their neighbors for resources – mainly women. They are ruled by a band of strongmen (the mightiest warriors). This was the case for hunter gatherer bands in general in the stone age – which is what I was referring to.

    individuals into a dedicated soldier-caste.

    Again, look at the yamamato tribes – they have a dedicated soldier caste that rule the tribes and fathers want to marry off their daughters to this caste. These are not city states.

    the start of settled chiefdoms, which allowed for wealth to exist in the form of grain, and the existence of a strongman chiefdom and an entourage of warriors, where you get things like the Fierce People and 70-80% mortality among men by warfare.

    Hunter gatherer societies were based around a group of men who had sufficient strength and knowledge to defend their tribe from slaughter by wild animals or other tribes (for example to take their women). Those men who could not participate in warfare where of lower status.

    https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/the-yanomamo-and-the-origins-of-male-honor/

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-jinping

    Yamamato, the "Fierce People", are obviously not mobile hunter-gatherer tribes. I have studied them for some time, among other things, I've even watched the original Napoleon Chagnon video of them. They are sometimes seen as the classic form of a chiefdom, and are very settled.

    Their longhouse(shabono):

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/ShabanoYanomami.jpg

    Note the existence of walls, clear evidence of significant settlement as well as necessity to defend.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabono

    Yanomami crops, which is based around slash and burn agriculture:

    https://i.imgur.com/saBQLuB.png

    http://victorenglebertphotography.blogspot.com/2014/11/brazil-yanomami-slash-and-burn.html

    The Yanomami can be classified as foraging horticulturalists, depending heavily on rainforest resources; they use slash-and-burn horticulture, grow bananas, gather fruit, and hunt animals and fish. Crops compose up to 75% of the calories in the Yanomami diet.

    Yanomami usage of dry foods:

    https://i.imgur.com/hyxFCZ5.png

    They have an entire process to make cassava edible, but I remember reading as a child that they also process other roots in the same way to make flour. With the existence of flour is the ability to storage food for long periods of time, which is the basis of wealth.

    So yes, they are a highly violent settled population. They are not roving tribes: those would be people like the Hadza, the !Kung Bushmen, etc. Such tribes have no use for extra population, so they can't kidnap anyone, and since they don't use flour, they can't save food. They basically lack the concept of wealth, or any real ability to hold territory. They do have status games and importance, and men are ranked by their ability to bring in high value food, but their population are too small for warfare.

    As for Evola:


    It was Evola's custom to walk around the city of Vienna during bombing raids in order to better "ponder his destiny". During one such raid, 1945, a shell fragment damaged his spinal cord and he became paralyzed from the waist down, remaining so for the rest of his life.
     
    As a kind of Hermetic, I do like him but I think he allowed his worship of the Sun element to be a bit too extensive. The Jupiterian aspect, without counterbalance, can lead one to some unusual ideas into hubris.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping, @Morton's toes

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-jinping

    Rare photo from personal archives:

    https://i.imgur.com/x6hvRFM.png

    There's something just amazingly entertaining about drugged-up tribals in loinclothes with modern weapons counterposed with red warpaint & bows and arrows.

    Brazil, what a place.

  • @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-jinping

    Evola had many, many interesting ideas, including the hollow Earth people and other deeply enjoyable fiction, but I think that he would not be opposed to the notion that an aristocrat would have to be a leader of men, especially in military affairs.

    It so happens that at least since the medieval era, effective leadership has a lot less to do with the volume of one's voice or even personal prowess, but the ability to coordinate information, work with a number of individuals, and accurately make decisions under pressure. An army marches on its stomach, as it is said, and I think that Napoleon and Frederick and Wellington and perhaps the entire general history of the Roman legionary have all shown that to be true, much more than the notion of an army that marches upon its biceps or genitals, however protuberant or vast they may be.

    So in think that your assessment is quite wrong, because you are looking at the wrong metrics to measure an aristocrat's effectiveness by.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    The Evolian conception of aristocracy and nobility had nothing to do with what you mentioned. Which is why I suggest you read “Revolt Against the Modern World”. But I will briefly summarize his conception of aristocracy. Aristocracy in his conception was primairly spiritual. As was the concept of race. He was was racist in so much as different races where archetypes for a particular person. For example a negro/jew is viewed as a somebody that is petty, conniving and lying. The exact opposite of an aristocrat of the soul.

    According to Evola, modern man lacks a laundry list of virtues, but only two are absolutely essential for societal health and success. These are the virtue types that correspond to what Julius Evola termed “True Virility.” They are, Heroism (warrior bravery) and Asceticism (transcendent discipline). Without some measure of these two components, man will fail to achieve true manhood.

    Those with a shard of this “True Virility” are termed “Aristocrats of the soul” or are aristocratic in general.

    According to this definition, AP is not aristocratic. As I have said.

    but the ability to coordinate information, work with a number of individuals, and accurately make decision

    And yet AP is a sophist and frequently presents incorrect information as ‘correct’ information, and dismissing facts to the contrary if it does not suit his narrative – as my previous debates with him have shown. So even by this metric he falls short.

    much more than the notion of an army that marches upon its biceps or genitals, however protuberant or vast they may be

    Logistics and coordination is important – but if we speak of Roman legions or Greek hoplites – often they would refuse to follow those who did not exhibit heroic qualities and promote those who did to emperor. As we saw with Juilius Casear for example.

    Then again, much of the aristocracy didn’t engage in leadership, much of it was just small time landowners who didn’t even have any peasant working for them and didn’t even fight. And if they did, it was mostly as foot soldiers. In other words most of the medieval aristocracy was useless. And if AP was a big name, he sure as hell wouldn’t be living a middle class life in America.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Xi-jinping


    The Evolian conception of aristocracy and nobility
     
    LOL. Evola was the descendant of a carpenter on his father's side and a shopkeeper on his mother's side. His claim of being a "baron" was theatrical pretense, based on the fact that there once existed a D'Evoli baronial family that died out (merged into the D'Afflitto family) sometime during the middle ages.

    So we have here on Unz the spectacle of a proud human dildo taking lessons in "aristocracy" from a shopkeeper's and carpenter's grandson.

    Replies: @Svevlad

  • sher singh says:
    @Xi-jinping
    @dfordoom


    I think that improvements in mass media technology (from movies to TV to cable TV to the internet) inevitably led to changes in gender roles. They exposed women to the idea that different options existed.
     
    You are confusing cause and effect - "the cause" that leads women to being 'exposed to the idea that different options exist' comes about as a result of how this technology is employed.

    If I show women that careerism is the only choice and use mass media to make fun of having children - that is what they will believe.

    If I show the opposite - then that is what women believe.

    Its in the manner that the tool is employed that matters.


    Improvements in contraceptive technology are an example of technological development inevitably leading to changes in gender roles
     
    .

    Contraceptive technology would lead to a decline in fertility but would not lead to changes in gender roles, as it did not (and does not) in many traditional societies or in the USSR for example.

    The cultural software plays a big role in how contraceptives are viewed.

    Improvements in transportation technology (first railways then cars) changed people’s whole concept of what a community was, which in turn inevitably led to changes in gender roles.
     
    Another way of looking at it is that improvements in transportation technology changed how food can be distributed meaning it became even easier for women to have kids as they didn't need to work in the fields anymore as they did in the past.

    Technology is a tool that can be employed either to push society in one direction or another - it does not inevitably lead to changing of gender roles - it can be instead used in solidifying gender roles if used properly.

    Replies: @sher singh, @dfordoom

    Technology is a tool that can be employed either to push society in one direction or another – it does not inevitably lead to changing of gender roles – it can be instead used in solidifying gender roles if used properly.

    Exactly.

    If I show women that careerism is the only choice and use mass media to make fun of having children – that is what they will believe.

    If I show the opposite – then that is what women believe.

    Yes, if merchants are in power – then career women
    If Brahmins – then muh STEM grilz bro
    Kshatriyas – then:

    • Thanks: Xi-jinping
  • @AaronB
    @Yellowface Anon

    Oh, I would be quite happy returning to the Stone Age :) The activities I most enjoy are perfectly consistent with a Stone Age lifestyle.

    However, reintegration with nature need not entail the loss of technology or even prevent developing it more. It would just mean the loss of the idea that we are seperate from nature and must dominate it.

    At its roots, the scientific method is a thing of beautiful humility designed to work with nature and not against it. Basically, it's the humility of accepting we don't know and accepting the teachings of nature.

    It's science as a social institution, that has become so rapacious and destructive.

    Of course, if there is a social apocalypse than yes, we may well lose most of our technological know how, like happened with Rome. But the analogy I find most convincing is a gradual decline into a Byzantine Empire.

    Already, society seems to have decided it wants security more than genuine novelty and breakthrough. Peer review is designed to substitute consensus - which is always hostile to genuine originality - for bold, innovative, paradigm challenging thinking.

    So as a civilization we have basically already killed Faustian science by choice - we just haven't caught up to this yet.

    Just as Nietzsche in the 19th century said we killed God but the knowledge hadn't reached us yet, we've already killed our belief in Faustian science - bureaucracy, peer review, etc are society choosing safety and familiarity over bold innovation.

    So once again, we've already killed our "God". But perhaps Gods always have to be periodically killed? Perhaps one meaning of the Jesus story - and there are surely many layers - is that mankind always eventually kills it's God, and that this is necessary for new spirituality to be born. After all, Jesus' death was an essential part in bringing a new spirituality into the world.

    So barring serious collapse, which I think is unlikely, I think we will slowly transition into a new paradigm that is away from the old story of domination of nature. We have already killed our old God and are now in an interregnum period.

    But of course, radical loss of technical know how is also a possibility - in my view, quite ok :)

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    The activities I most enjoy are perfectly consistent with a Stone Age lifestyle.

    A stone age lifestyle is characterized by rule by sheer strength – might is right. The only law is the law of the jungle – an eye for an eye and what you can take and hold. And men’s minds where ruled by both superstition and wonder. Something that no longer exists.

    From your previous comments on this thread, you do not subscribe to this view and thus you do not support a stone age lifestyle as you abhor any form of might.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-jinping


    A stone age lifestyle is characterized by rule by sheer strength – might is right. The only law is the law of the jungle – an eye for an eye and what you can take and hold.
     
    No, AaronB is talking about hunter-gatherer bands.

    Hunter-gatherers lacked the resources for significant warfare capacity. You can look at the wandering tribes of Native Americans - who had quite brutal histories, but the populations were really quite small and so the actual scope of murder was surprisingly limited. They did have brutal warfare at times, much as even chimpanzees did, but they did not have the resources and time to specialize individuals into a dedicated soldier-caste.

    It would really take agriculture for that to happen - the start of settled chiefdoms, which allowed for wealth to exist in the form of grain, and the existence of a strongman chiefdom and an entourage of warriors, where you get things like the Fierce People and 70-80% mortality among men by warfare.

    I think Aaron has voiced at times an opposition to agriculture. This idea is also echoed by the novel "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn, that settled life and agriculture led to a vast change in society and exploitation of nature(of "Takers" going beyond "Leavers.")

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    , @AaronB
    @Xi-jinping

    This is a modernist myth.

    In fact, Stone Age hunter gatherer societies were considerably more egalitarian than agricultural societies, and less warlike.

    Extreme social hierarchies and exploitation arose with agriculture. Interestingly, the rise of agriculture suffers from the same problem Darwinism does. Intermediate stages offer no advantage, so it's a mystery why they happened at all.

    Agriculture eventually became a stable and successful way to feed large populations, but only after millennia. For a very long time agriculture was significantly less effective at maintaining health and providing food security - so why was it adopted and stuck with?

    Its almost as if the universe "wanted" to evolve in this fashion.

    In which case, the rise of agriculture, science, and the separation from nature, with all it's pain, was not a "mistake", as traditionalists often think.

    But the present anomie and dysfunction of modernity, after centuries of dynamism, suggests another direction the universe "wants" to evolve in; back to reunification - but perhaps from a higher perspective, having tasted extreme separation and knowing it's a dead end.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  • @AP
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I find that he veils his political platform behind the vaguest analogies I’ve ever read, makes a few barely relevant anecdotal observations
     
    His analogies seem to be rather clear and correct, and moreover beautifully written, at least to me. He’s just pointing out that hierarchies are omnipresent, and they increase in complexity as society becomes more complex and beautiful.

    the problem with you calling him a “sociopath” before, an accurate description of his persona, is that it is exactly what he is trying to convince you is actually him. You are validating his false identity. He obviously isn’t a sociopath in the “I just use people and haver no feelings sense”, because he would hide it.
     
    You make a good case but I still think the chances are 50/50 either way. If he were bright you would more likely be correct. But he is a simpleton. I would also add some narcissism into the mix. So he is too simple to hide himself, and to understand that it is funny and pathetic for someone to brag about spending a lot of time in the gym exercising for the sake of being able to serve as a living dildo for hundreds of loose women. And he is narcissistic enough to want to brag about this “triumph.”

    But it is equally likely that he is a clueless guy who is putting on a sad show. In which case I wish him the very best in changing and improving.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    But he is a simpleton. I would also add some narcissism into the mix

    Judging by your comments on this site as a whole, I think you describe yourself. You were called a sophist at one point – where you not? And I think for good reason.

    brag about spending a lot of time in the gym exercising for the sake of being able to serve as a living dildo for hundreds of loose women.

    Firstly you put words in my mouth that I never said. I said I workout, but never specified my motivations.

    Like I said, you are too simple to realize that you are envious of a person with a great body because you do not have the discipline to get off your ass and exercise, and likely weren’t popular with women in your youth – hence are jealous of those who are – because I promise you if you had the opportunity to be with many beautiful women you would have taken it. But you didn’t, so here you are with Sour Grape Syndrome.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • LOL: AP
  • @dfordoom
    @Xi-jinping


    I do not see why technological development would inevitably lead to change in gender roles.
     
    Improvements in contraceptive technology are an example of technological development inevitably leading to changes in gender roles.

    I think that improvements in mass media technology (from movies to TV to cable TV to the internet) inevitably led to changes in gender roles. They exposed women to the idea that different options existed.

    Improvements in transportation technology (first railways then cars) changed people's whole concept of what a community was, which in turn inevitably led to changes in gender roles.

    Technology changes society drastically.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Yellowface Anon, @Xi-jinping

    I think that improvements in mass media technology (from movies to TV to cable TV to the internet) inevitably led to changes in gender roles. They exposed women to the idea that different options existed.

    You are confusing cause and effect – “the cause” that leads women to being ‘exposed to the idea that different options exist’ comes about as a result of how this technology is employed.

    If I show women that careerism is the only choice and use mass media to make fun of having children – that is what they will believe.

    If I show the opposite – then that is what women believe.

    Its in the manner that the tool is employed that matters.

    Improvements in contraceptive technology are an example of technological development inevitably leading to changes in gender roles

    .

    Contraceptive technology would lead to a decline in fertility but would not lead to changes in gender roles, as it did not (and does not) in many traditional societies or in the USSR for example.

    The cultural software plays a big role in how contraceptives are viewed.

    Improvements in transportation technology (first railways then cars) changed people’s whole concept of what a community was, which in turn inevitably led to changes in gender roles.

    Another way of looking at it is that improvements in transportation technology changed how food can be distributed meaning it became even easier for women to have kids as they didn’t need to work in the fields anymore as they did in the past.

    Technology is a tool that can be employed either to push society in one direction or another – it does not inevitably lead to changing of gender roles – it can be instead used in solidifying gender roles if used properly.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Xi-jinping


    Technology is a tool that can be employed either to push society in one direction or another – it does not inevitably lead to changing of gender roles – it can be instead used in solidifying gender roles if used properly.
     
    Exactly.

    If I show women that careerism is the only choice and use mass media to make fun of having children – that is what they will believe.

    If I show the opposite – then that is what women believe.
     
    Yes, if merchants are in power - then career women
    If Brahmins - then muh STEM grilz bro
    Kshatriyas - then:

    https://static.wixstatic.com/media/f03993_1bbfc71bfe3c476b80110a04a6a48fcc~mv2.jpg
    , @dfordoom
    @Xi-jinping


    Its in the manner that the tool is employed that matters.
     

    Technology is a tool that can be employed either to push society in one direction or another – it does not inevitably lead to changing of gender roles – it can be instead used in solidifying gender roles if used properly.
     
    I understand what you're saying but I don't agree. I think that most of the time it's the nature of the technology itself that determines how it ends up being used.

    I think the idea that technology is neutral and that it can be used in any manner we choose to use it is naïve. Technologies develop their own momentum. Technologies don't have negative effects because somehow or other bad people have gained control of them.

    And the effects of technology on society cannot be predicted, so the idea that when a new technology comes along we can somehow take steps to ensure that it will not have drastic effects on society is also naïve.

    I don't think there's any way to ensure that a technology is "used properly" because if it's a new technology there's no way of knowing what effects it will have. By the time we figure out what those effects are it's too late - society has already been changed.

    Television for example did not change society because wicked people decided to use it for nefarious purposes - it was inherent in the very nature of television that it was going to have dramatic and unpredictable consequences for society.

    And if a technology changes society then gender roles are one of the things that are going to change.

    When the internet was invented people expected that it would only be used by a very small fraction of the population - mostly geeks, who were overwhelmingly male. Nobody knew that millions and millions of women were going to use it. At the time it was invented it had no obvious appeal to women.
  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-jinping

    I am sorry that you feel despised by women.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @sher singh

    I am sorry you have penis envy and hate everything virile and masculine. I can’t imagine how this envy must feel.

  • @Xi-jinping
    @Triteleia Laxa


    It means that you communicate in a way which is understood as intended.

     

    Its understood by almost everyone but you. Why? Because you are a woman, and probably shouldn't be on this forum.

    yet I seem to be the only one who has the desire to treat you with sympathy.
     
    LOL cute. I don't care for your 'sympathy' *facepalm*

    You are playing to the closest thing you may ever have to a crowd which is open to your performance, and nobody is buying it. This is what communicating ineffectively mean
     
    LOL. What performance? Honestly sounds like penis envy.

    I feel like Laxa has penis envy and any outpouring of masculine virilism is met with the her desire to put a stop to it.

    This female desire to kick men in the dick whether literally

    By censorsing male speech

    Taking men’s money in a divorce

    Or just shitting on masculine excess

    Women don’t have a phallus so they are always trying to rob men of having one while trying to become the phallus.

    So basically women want to ban the masculine while becoming a cum-less impotent dildo version of it

    The erect penis is despised by the woman for its virility and ability to upset the sterile corporate status quo. However women have no problem giving each other infertile dildos.

    Women are phalusless (gay impotent) and the more women are in an organization there are they (impotent gay phalusless) the organization is.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Daniel Chieh

    I am sorry that you feel despised by women.

    • LOL: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I am sorry you have penis envy and hate everything virile and masculine. I can't imagine how this envy must feel.

    , @sher singh
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You are probably a white woman approaching middle age with at least 1 white son.
    Therefore, you are trying to put down POC masculinity to give him an advantage,

    There is no freedom brought by white men or western society, you are a racist. Kneel & repent

    https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116

    https://akarlin.com/2009/09/struggle-europe-mankind/

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  • @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-jinping


    In a healthier and more beautiful society (like say that of the Ancient Greeks), people like AP would be ostracized for their envy.

     

    AP is literally of aristocratic extraction. In a better world, he is a nobleman.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @sher singh

    He may be from noble stock, but he is not of noble character or body or spirit.

    In the Platonic conception of society, nobility has a physical and spiritual component. Judging by APs comments regarding a beautiful physique (and in general), he is not aristocratic in demeanor at all.

    Neither is he aristocratic in the Evolian sense. He lacks any sort of nobility of the soul or virility. I cannot fathom how anyone can see him as an ‘aristocrat’

    So I think that my assessment is correct – in a more beautiful (platonic/evolian) world he would be ostracized or turned into a peasant.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Disagree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-jinping

    Evola had many, many interesting ideas, including the hollow Earth people and other deeply enjoyable fiction, but I think that he would not be opposed to the notion that an aristocrat would have to be a leader of men, especially in military affairs.

    It so happens that at least since the medieval era, effective leadership has a lot less to do with the volume of one's voice or even personal prowess, but the ability to coordinate information, work with a number of individuals, and accurately make decisions under pressure. An army marches on its stomach, as it is said, and I think that Napoleon and Frederick and Wellington and perhaps the entire general history of the Roman legionary have all shown that to be true, much more than the notion of an army that marches upon its biceps or genitals, however protuberant or vast they may be.

    So in think that your assessment is quite wrong, because you are looking at the wrong metrics to measure an aristocrat's effectiveness by.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-jinping


    And what does ‘communicate in a more effective manner’ even mean? That is just word salad
     
    It means that you communicate in a way which is understood as intended.

    You are on a board which has commenters who are far more sympathetic to your persona than is the mainstream; yet I seem to be the only one who has the desire to treat you with sympathy.

    I also don't think that anyone has the impression that you are this ultra-successful, extremely dashing and wise Chad, that you want them to believe.

    You are playing to the closest thing you may ever have to a crowd which is open to your performance, and nobody is buying it. This is what communicating ineffectively means.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN, @Xi-jinping, @Beckow

    It means that you communicate in a way which is understood as intended.

    Its understood by almost everyone but you. Why? Because you are a woman, and probably shouldn’t be on this forum.

    yet I seem to be the only one who has the desire to treat you with sympathy.

    LOL cute. I don’t care for your ‘sympathy’ *facepalm*

    You are playing to the closest thing you may ever have to a crowd which is open to your performance, and nobody is buying it. This is what communicating ineffectively mean

    LOL. What performance? Honestly sounds like penis envy.

    I feel like Laxa has penis envy and any outpouring of masculine virilism is met with the her desire to put a stop to it.

    This female desire to kick men in the dick whether literally

    By censorsing male speech

    Taking men’s money in a divorce

    Or just shitting on masculine excess

    Women don’t have a phallus so they are always trying to rob men of having one while trying to become the phallus.

    So basically women want to ban the masculine while becoming a cum-less impotent dildo version of it

    The erect penis is despised by the woman for its virility and ability to upset the sterile corporate status quo. However women have no problem giving each other infertile dildos.

    Women are phalusless (gay impotent) and the more women are in an organization there are they (impotent gay phalusless) the organization is.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-jinping

    I am sorry that you feel despised by women.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @sher singh

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-jinping


    Women are phalusless (gay impotent) and the more women are in an organization there are they (impotent gay phalusless) the organization is.

     

    I don't know if that's true, but one of the funnier observations I remember from being in many groups is that female dominated groups typically end up as lesbian/transexual led groups, with the funniest example being that the "XX" subreddit apparently having almost its entire moderation staff consisting of MtF transexuals. And of course, le discord moderator jokes - which seems validated in my experience.

    In this, we learn that apparently, men are the best women. :P

    Replies: @Pericles

  • @Xi-jinping
    @AP


    has worked so hard building up his physique so that he can serve as a dildo for hundreds of women.
     
    This reads like the words of a jealous man, a man who wished he had a good physique and was full of strength and beauty, yet lacks it. You sound envious and I am sorry for you.

    dildo for hundreds of women
     
    More words of envy.

    What makes you think there isn't love and warm relations with these women? (Rhetorical question)

    He is probably a tool in all other areas of his life, too. In a healthier and more beautiful society he would be a hardworking honest peasant, or a foot-soldier.
     

    It is jealous/envious men that are usually the 'tools'. Sorry to break it to you. I promise you, I have a great career and earn more than most people here in all likelihood.

    This post confirms what I already suspected - AP is a small man who thinks he is smarter than he is as well as adding envy to that.

    I would be glad to be proven wrong, but I do not think I am based on what you write. In fact, it seems to me you are simping towards Laxa - for what purpose I cannot fathom.

    In a healthier and more beautiful society (like say that of the Ancient Greeks), people like AP would be ostracized for their envy.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Anatoly Karlin

    In a healthier and more beautiful society (like say that of the Ancient Greeks), people like AP would be ostracized for their envy.

    AP is literally of aristocratic extraction. In a better world, he is a nobleman.

    • Thanks: AP
    • LOL: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
    @Daniel Chieh

    He may be from noble stock, but he is not of noble character or body or spirit.

    In the Platonic conception of society, nobility has a physical and spiritual component. Judging by APs comments regarding a beautiful physique (and in general), he is not aristocratic in demeanor at all.

    Neither is he aristocratic in the Evolian sense. He lacks any sort of nobility of the soul or virility. I cannot fathom how anyone can see him as an 'aristocrat'

    So I think that my assessment is correct - in a more beautiful (platonic/evolian) world he would be ostracized or turned into a peasant.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    , @sher singh
    @Daniel Chieh

    There's no such thing as ChristCuck nobility.
    The world exists; you can either take it or lay awaiting a man, Hijrey||

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  • @Xi-jinping
    @Triteleia Laxa


    My guess is that he is a young fantasist. It isn’t that real individuals, like he describes himself, don’t exist, it is that, even if they felt they needed to convince strangers on the internet of their truth, they would communicate in a more effective manner.
     
    A nonsensical reply. Again, I merely mentioned things about myself to prove a point, not to convince some internet stranger let alone a woman of anything.

    And what does 'communicate in a more effective manner' even mean? That is just word salad

    immaturity
     
    Typical feminine shaming language. Sounds like you yourself are abusive towards men in your own life. Which is why I said that you are emotionally broken and hate men.

    I would guess that his mother has distinct problems with emotional regulation
     
    I would ask that you don't speak of my mother. Another guy speaking in such a manner about my mother would have his face caved in.

    and his home environment was unsafe for his own emotional expression.
     
    LOL. Laxa, you don't understand men very well. You write from a feminine perspective, and its wrong. I don't see the need or have the desire to scream like a headless chicken, or release crocodile tears to get sympathy from strangers. Doesn't mean I don't 'express my emotions'. Like what does that statement even mean lmao

    Just an observations and exploration of an interesting phenomena, but the problem with you calling him a “sociopath” before, an accurate description of his persona, is that it is exactly what he is trying to convince you is actually him. You are validating his false identity. He obviously isn’t a sociopath in the “I just use people and have no feelings sense”, because he would hide it.
     
    Thanks for trying to dissect my personality. Problem is your "analysis" makes little sense. You use some weird 'therapy talk' mumbo jumbo that is popular right now, but has no relation to how actual psychiatry works.

    I knew a woman who was like that
     
    Ah here's the crux of the issue. You knew a WOMAN. You don't know men.

    He isn’t like my female friend at all. She had to really care for you to try to convince you of her sociopathy, in order to protect you from herself. You’d have to be cared for so much, that it broke the wall separating her conscious from her unconscious. This was the closest she could get to an expression of love – to momentarily break free of those bounds, solely in order to desperately keep that loved one away.
     
    More mumbo jumbo that makes no sense lol

    Laxa, I suggest you write less particularly about topics you don't understand and listen more. This is another reason why I do not think women should work - they develop big egos but don't actually know anything beyond a small specialized field.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    And what does ‘communicate in a more effective manner’ even mean? That is just word salad

    It means that you communicate in a way which is understood as intended.

    You are on a board which has commenters who are far more sympathetic to your persona than is the mainstream; yet I seem to be the only one who has the desire to treat you with sympathy.

    I also don’t think that anyone has the impression that you are this ultra-successful, extremely dashing and wise Chad, that you want them to believe.

    You are playing to the closest thing you may ever have to a crowd which is open to your performance, and nobody is buying it. This is what communicating ineffectively means.

    • LOL: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Reading your exchanges with various commenters reminded me of a Russian joke:
    Because of a lockdown I had to spend several days with my wife. To my surprise, I discovered that she is a remarkably intelligent woman.

    , @Xi-jinping
    @Triteleia Laxa


    It means that you communicate in a way which is understood as intended.

     

    Its understood by almost everyone but you. Why? Because you are a woman, and probably shouldn't be on this forum.

    yet I seem to be the only one who has the desire to treat you with sympathy.
     
    LOL cute. I don't care for your 'sympathy' *facepalm*

    You are playing to the closest thing you may ever have to a crowd which is open to your performance, and nobody is buying it. This is what communicating ineffectively mean
     
    LOL. What performance? Honestly sounds like penis envy.

    I feel like Laxa has penis envy and any outpouring of masculine virilism is met with the her desire to put a stop to it.

    This female desire to kick men in the dick whether literally

    By censorsing male speech

    Taking men’s money in a divorce

    Or just shitting on masculine excess

    Women don’t have a phallus so they are always trying to rob men of having one while trying to become the phallus.

    So basically women want to ban the masculine while becoming a cum-less impotent dildo version of it

    The erect penis is despised by the woman for its virility and ability to upset the sterile corporate status quo. However women have no problem giving each other infertile dildos.

    Women are phalusless (gay impotent) and the more women are in an organization there are they (impotent gay phalusless) the organization is.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Daniel Chieh

    , @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    There is a dichotomy in your posts that you may not be aware of. On the one hand you talk about effective communication and are willing to wildly speculate about personal things that we simply cannot know. But I recall your robust defence of the Western bombers around the world by claiming that reading too much into their motivations - other than what they said: we are spreading freedom - is preposterous. You also in a conformist way defend the official C19-vaccination position (but lots of people do that).

    You always seem to identify with the mainstream and are comfortable as conformist with some quirks. Try to be more skeptical about mainstream narratives and less skeptical about personal motivations. People in the past with that profile were often enthusiastic enforcers of ideological orthodoxy. Try to close the dichotomy by shifting your skepticism from personal to mainstream. It is more interesting that way.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @AP


    His argument comes across as an observation.
     
    I disagree. I find that he veils his political platform behind the vaguest analogies I've ever read, makes a few barely relevant anecdotal observations and avoids giving direct answers to questions, but, this means that if he is only saying what is, rather than what should be, he is saying nothing at all.

    It strikes me as cowardice and sophism, though likely internal.

    I'd be very happy to be wrong.


    “Xi-jingping”
     
    My guess is that he is a young fantasist. It isn't that real individuals, like he describes himself, don't exist, it is that, even if they felt they needed to convince strangers on the internet of their truth, they would communicate in a more effective manner.

    He's also familiar with one of the ways in which women can be disproportionately cruel and abusive. Given his immaturity, I would guess that his mother has distinct problems with emotional regulation and his home environment was unsafe for his own emotional expression. This isn't that rare, but it is also not nearly as common as his ideological outlook implies.

    Just an observation and exploration of an interesting phenomena, but the problem with you calling him a "sociopath" before, an accurate description of his persona, is that it is exactly what he is trying to convince you is actually him. You are validating his false identity. He obviously isn't a sociopath in the "I just use people and have no feelings sense", because he would hide it.

    I knew a woman who was like that and she structured her entire persona around hiding it. It was highly effective at masking her conscious self, even if there was an extremely hurt little girl below even that.

    What's the true face of a young man who feels he needs to hide behind a sociopathic mask? What life experiences would teach him that he needs to convince everyone that he has no emotional needs of others?

    He isn't like my female friend at all. She had to really care for you to try to convince you of her sociopathy, in order to protect you from herself. You'd have to be cared for so much, that it broke the wall separating her conscious from her unconscious. This was the closest she could get to an expression of love - to momentarily break free of those bounds, solely in order to desperately keep that loved one away.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @AaronB, @utu, @AP

    My guess is that he is a young fantasist. It isn’t that real individuals, like he describes himself, don’t exist, it is that, even if they felt they needed to convince strangers on the internet of their truth, they would communicate in a more effective manner.

    A nonsensical reply. Again, I merely mentioned things about myself to prove a point, not to convince some internet stranger let alone a woman of anything.

    And what does ‘communicate in a more effective manner’ even mean? That is just word salad

    immaturity

    Typical feminine shaming language. Sounds like you yourself are abusive towards men in your own life. Which is why I said that you are emotionally broken and hate men.

    I would guess that his mother has distinct problems with emotional regulation

    I would ask that you don’t speak of my mother. Another guy speaking in such a manner about my mother would have his face caved in.

    and his home environment was unsafe for his own emotional expression.

    LOL. Laxa, you don’t understand men very well. You write from a feminine perspective, and its wrong. I don’t see the need or have the desire to scream like a headless chicken, or release crocodile tears to get sympathy from strangers. Doesn’t mean I don’t ‘express my emotions’. Like what does that statement even mean lmao

    Just an observations and exploration of an interesting phenomena, but the problem with you calling him a “sociopath” before, an accurate description of his persona, is that it is exactly what he is trying to convince you is actually him. You are validating his false identity. He obviously isn’t a sociopath in the “I just use people and have no feelings sense”, because he would hide it.

    Thanks for trying to dissect my personality. Problem is your “analysis” makes little sense. You use some weird ‘therapy talk’ mumbo jumbo that is popular right now, but has no relation to how actual psychiatry works.

    I knew a woman who was like that

    Ah here’s the crux of the issue. You knew a WOMAN. You don’t know men.

    He isn’t like my female friend at all. She had to really care for you to try to convince you of her sociopathy, in order to protect you from herself. You’d have to be cared for so much, that it broke the wall separating her conscious from her unconscious. This was the closest she could get to an expression of love – to momentarily break free of those bounds, solely in order to desperately keep that loved one away.

    More mumbo jumbo that makes no sense lol

    Laxa, I suggest you write less particularly about topics you don’t understand and listen more. This is another reason why I do not think women should work – they develop big egos but don’t actually know anything beyond a small specialized field.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-jinping


    And what does ‘communicate in a more effective manner’ even mean? That is just word salad
     
    It means that you communicate in a way which is understood as intended.

    You are on a board which has commenters who are far more sympathetic to your persona than is the mainstream; yet I seem to be the only one who has the desire to treat you with sympathy.

    I also don't think that anyone has the impression that you are this ultra-successful, extremely dashing and wise Chad, that you want them to believe.

    You are playing to the closest thing you may ever have to a crowd which is open to your performance, and nobody is buying it. This is what communicating ineffectively means.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN, @Xi-jinping, @Beckow

  • AP says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @AP


    I don’t think he places himself at the top of this order, which is a natural phenomenon.
     
    If it is a "natural phenomenon," then why is it not a reality? Or why would it not be the result of people enjoying a good degree of security, freedom and tolerance, at least?

    Why would someone even need to argue that it was a natural phenomenon? Do natural phenomena need justification? Aren't they merely things you observe?

    Isn't attaching the label "natural," in this case, just about the weakest justification for why people should submit to his control?

    I don't think he has the slightest clue about nature, nor appreciation for it. It is merely a label he uses to hide from himself and his own desires. He should have the courage to say "I want people to act as I want", rather than pretending that nature is that which wants it. He is so cowardly.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @AP

    If it is a “natural phenomenon,” then why is it not a reality

    Is it not reality? Is there not a natural social hierarchy, whose complexity reflects the development and refinement of each society?

    Why would someone even need to argue that it was a natural phenomenon? Do natural phenomena need justification? Aren’t they merely things you observe?

    His argument comes across as an observation.

    One can also observe that a breakdown in order and hierarchy reflects a decline in the society. Such an observation may seem like an “argument” in favor of maintaining a hierarchy, I suppose.

    justification for why people should submit to his control

    Is it really about his or anybody’s control though? In the natural hierarchy individuals’ roles depend on their personal attributes. These roles can be beautiful or honorable, simple or complex, depending on the beauty and honor of the society.

    A crude simpleton such as your other interlocutor, “Xi-jingping”, has admitted that he has worked so hard building up his physique so that he can serve as a dildo for hundreds of women. He is probably a tool in all other areas of his life, too. In a healthier and more beautiful society he would be a hardworking honest peasant, or a foot-soldier.

    “Daniel Chieh” on the other hand is more intelligent, thoughtful and moral. Whatever he does is much more complex. Most importantly, in a healthy and beautiful society his role involves more obligations and no less work. Such people are not some sort of parasites as modern (leftist) propaganda implies, no more than a neuron is a parasite compared to a cardiac muscle cell.

    • Thanks: Daniel Chieh
    • LOL: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
    @AP


    has worked so hard building up his physique so that he can serve as a dildo for hundreds of women.
     
    This reads like the words of a jealous man, a man who wished he had a good physique and was full of strength and beauty, yet lacks it. You sound envious and I am sorry for you.

    dildo for hundreds of women
     
    More words of envy.

    What makes you think there isn't love and warm relations with these women? (Rhetorical question)

    He is probably a tool in all other areas of his life, too. In a healthier and more beautiful society he would be a hardworking honest peasant, or a foot-soldier.
     

    It is jealous/envious men that are usually the 'tools'. Sorry to break it to you. I promise you, I have a great career and earn more than most people here in all likelihood.

    This post confirms what I already suspected - AP is a small man who thinks he is smarter than he is as well as adding envy to that.

    I would be glad to be proven wrong, but I do not think I am based on what you write. In fact, it seems to me you are simping towards Laxa - for what purpose I cannot fathom.

    In a healthier and more beautiful society (like say that of the Ancient Greeks), people like AP would be ostracized for their envy.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @AP


    His argument comes across as an observation.
     
    I disagree. I find that he veils his political platform behind the vaguest analogies I've ever read, makes a few barely relevant anecdotal observations and avoids giving direct answers to questions, but, this means that if he is only saying what is, rather than what should be, he is saying nothing at all.

    It strikes me as cowardice and sophism, though likely internal.

    I'd be very happy to be wrong.


    “Xi-jingping”
     
    My guess is that he is a young fantasist. It isn't that real individuals, like he describes himself, don't exist, it is that, even if they felt they needed to convince strangers on the internet of their truth, they would communicate in a more effective manner.

    He's also familiar with one of the ways in which women can be disproportionately cruel and abusive. Given his immaturity, I would guess that his mother has distinct problems with emotional regulation and his home environment was unsafe for his own emotional expression. This isn't that rare, but it is also not nearly as common as his ideological outlook implies.

    Just an observation and exploration of an interesting phenomena, but the problem with you calling him a "sociopath" before, an accurate description of his persona, is that it is exactly what he is trying to convince you is actually him. You are validating his false identity. He obviously isn't a sociopath in the "I just use people and have no feelings sense", because he would hide it.

    I knew a woman who was like that and she structured her entire persona around hiding it. It was highly effective at masking her conscious self, even if there was an extremely hurt little girl below even that.

    What's the true face of a young man who feels he needs to hide behind a sociopathic mask? What life experiences would teach him that he needs to convince everyone that he has no emotional needs of others?

    He isn't like my female friend at all. She had to really care for you to try to convince you of her sociopathy, in order to protect you from herself. You'd have to be cared for so much, that it broke the wall separating her conscious from her unconscious. This was the closest she could get to an expression of love - to momentarily break free of those bounds, solely in order to desperately keep that loved one away.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @AaronB, @utu, @AP

  • @AP
    @Triteleia Laxa


    If it is a “natural phenomenon,” then why is it not a reality
     
    Is it not reality? Is there not a natural social hierarchy, whose complexity reflects the development and refinement of each society?

    Why would someone even need to argue that it was a natural phenomenon? Do natural phenomena need justification? Aren’t they merely things you observe?
     
    His argument comes across as an observation.

    One can also observe that a breakdown in order and hierarchy reflects a decline in the society. Such an observation may seem like an “argument” in favor of maintaining a hierarchy, I suppose.

    justification for why people should submit to his control
     
    Is it really about his or anybody’s control though? In the natural hierarchy individuals’ roles depend on their personal attributes. These roles can be beautiful or honorable, simple or complex, depending on the beauty and honor of the society.

    A crude simpleton such as your other interlocutor, “Xi-jingping”, has admitted that he has worked so hard building up his physique so that he can serve as a dildo for hundreds of women. He is probably a tool in all other areas of his life, too. In a healthier and more beautiful society he would be a hardworking honest peasant, or a foot-soldier.

    “Daniel Chieh” on the other hand is more intelligent, thoughtful and moral. Whatever he does is much more complex. Most importantly, in a healthy and beautiful society his role involves more obligations and no less work. Such people are not some sort of parasites as modern (leftist) propaganda implies, no more than a neuron is a parasite compared to a cardiac muscle cell.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @Triteleia Laxa

    has worked so hard building up his physique so that he can serve as a dildo for hundreds of women.

    This reads like the words of a jealous man, a man who wished he had a good physique and was full of strength and beauty, yet lacks it. You sound envious and I am sorry for you.

    dildo for hundreds of women

    More words of envy.

    What makes you think there isn’t love and warm relations with these women? (Rhetorical question)

    He is probably a tool in all other areas of his life, too. In a healthier and more beautiful society he would be a hardworking honest peasant, or a foot-soldier.

    It is jealous/envious men that are usually the ‘tools’. Sorry to break it to you. I promise you, I have a great career and earn more than most people here in all likelihood.

    This post confirms what I already suspected – AP is a small man who thinks he is smarter than he is as well as adding envy to that.

    I would be glad to be proven wrong, but I do not think I am based on what you write. In fact, it seems to me you are simping towards Laxa – for what purpose I cannot fathom.

    In a healthier and more beautiful society (like say that of the Ancient Greeks), people like AP would be ostracized for their envy.

    • LOL: AP
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-jinping


    In a healthier and more beautiful society (like say that of the Ancient Greeks), people like AP would be ostracized for their envy.

     

    AP is literally of aristocratic extraction. In a better world, he is a nobleman.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @sher singh

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Xi-jinping

    I haven't read all of your conversation (nor do I plan to), but while AP isn't a bodybuilder, he has a handsome Nordic visage and a perfectly healthy BF percentage. He also has a family, lives in a very nice part of the US, and has what I assume to be a successful and well-remunerated career in the medical field, so you're not going to get far with the "simping" allegations.

    If you are not lying about your physique, then my unironic congratulations, that is a real accomplishment and puts you above 90% of redpill/manosphere Internet people. But so far as your comments here are concerned, they are that of a simplistic maozuo, which seem to be driven by a sense of alienation from the society that you live in (not an uncommon sentiment amongst kids brought to the West at a young age, as I admittedly well know) as opposed to genuine historical inquiry. This intersects with /pol/ style shitposting and weird and irrelevant claims about how many women you've bedded (while strangely not realizing you were talking to a woman even though this was obvious to most any casual observer).

  • @dfordoom
    @Xi-jinping


    There is no relation between ‘greater economic development’ and breakdown of traditional gender roles.
     
    Greater economic development is usually accompanied by steadily increasing mass media and mass education. And technological development. It's not always easy to figure out which of those factors has contributed to the breakdown of traditional gender roles.

    I think that technological development may be the big one. The one that makes the breakdown of traditional gender roles inevitable.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Xi-jinping

    I do not see why technological development would inevitably lead to change in gender roles. Technology is just tools, but human biology (in which gender roles are rooted) do not change. If anything Technological development makes humans more arrogant, leading them to think they have mastered their biological instincts moreso than previous generations and that biology no longer applies to us. This leads to delusional ideas like feminism or pushing women into the workforce en masse.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Xi-jinping


    I do not see why technological development would inevitably lead to change in gender roles.
     
    Improvements in contraceptive technology are an example of technological development inevitably leading to changes in gender roles.

    I think that improvements in mass media technology (from movies to TV to cable TV to the internet) inevitably led to changes in gender roles. They exposed women to the idea that different options existed.

    Improvements in transportation technology (first railways then cars) changed people's whole concept of what a community was, which in turn inevitably led to changes in gender roles.

    Technology changes society drastically.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Yellowface Anon, @Xi-jinping

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @AP


    I don’t think he places himself at the top of this order, which is a natural phenomenon.
     
    If it is a "natural phenomenon," then why is it not a reality? Or why would it not be the result of people enjoying a good degree of security, freedom and tolerance, at least?

    Why would someone even need to argue that it was a natural phenomenon? Do natural phenomena need justification? Aren't they merely things you observe?

    Isn't attaching the label "natural," in this case, just about the weakest justification for why people should submit to his control?

    I don't think he has the slightest clue about nature, nor appreciation for it. It is merely a label he uses to hide from himself and his own desires. He should have the courage to say "I want people to act as I want", rather than pretending that nature is that which wants it. He is so cowardly.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @AP

    I am honored to be in the presence of one who’s confidence in her psychic ability to read the secret intentions of others exceeds her reading comprehension. Continue being brave and courageous, just like everyone on Twitter.

    Good night, Laxa.

    • Agree: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Daniel Chieh

    One need not have psychic abilities to see that you want for other people is what you want for them.

    What is strange is that you can't see it.

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-jinping

    I am sorry. I meant a deep lack of "worthiness." You need a hug. You're not intimidated by me. You're intimidated by your own emotional needs, for which I am just a placeholder.

    Say you do manage to convince me that you are a heroic, masculine man who knows everything and has no needs, how will that feel?

    I believe it will feel empty, because it is a lie and a self-betrayal, and you spent the journey deeply anxious of being validated. What's the point?

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    You’re intimidated by your own emotional needs

    LOL. another one of those feminine nonsensical statements. I am fully aware of my emotions, i just don’t see the need to share them with the world like a faggot.

    Say you do manage to convince me that you are a heroic, masculine man who knows everything and has no needs, how will that feel?

    I don’t need to convince you of anything. Just that you don’t understand me or men as well as you think you do. (Typical feminine solipsism).

    It is funny that you quote Nietzsche, because the way you describe yourself is pure slave morality, but you think it is the opposite.

    It’s funny because you don’t understand Nietzsche. Can you even explain his main points without resorting to wikipedia or sparknotes or something like that?

  • @sher singh
    @Xi-jinping

    Na, I think because game ultimately represents a form of defection against other men; and,
    women are the glue within and arbiter between tribes. Game threatens social stability & fem power

    Through tribalism & status jockeying guys who get girls with game, still would; so would friends
    That type of mating selection process also tends to form stable marriages & involves fathers.

    --

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-158/#comment-4789308


    Think of feminism as putting all women in a common state-backed harem.
    Of course, this assumes that there is always ownership over women & politics merely the transfer.

    Of course, being a white woman you’ll scream this isn’t true as you’re looking for a strong owner||

     

    If she as a white woman is unfit for marriage, she's serviceable as a concubine; and, only represents the social weakness of white society.

    This, doesn't mean she doesn't merit the attention/respect of a woman (functioning womb or ability to nurse) and that's about it. :shrug:

    Women are not some evil, demon beings. They are Shakti, Divine Essence (Feminine), The Sword.
    Yes, they will get you killed and to control them you must be prepared to die; they also bring forth life.


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    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    because game ultimately represents a form of defection against other men

    I am not sure what you mean by this? Can you clarify.

    women are the glue within and arbiter between tribes.

    If anything women are the thing that brings conflict within and amongst tribes. Tribal warfare amongst the Yamamato is primarly driven by a competition for women not any other resources. Wars where started over women (if the legend of the Trojan War is to be believed – it was started over Helen). Even now, it is quite possible to be jumped by guys who think you are trying to take their women.

    looking for a strong owner

    This is what I have been saying – women attach themselves to whoever they view as strongest within the vicinity/social group. The State is the strongest actor. However, an average male can bypass this position by projecting psychological strength and showing an ability to be stress resistant in adverse situations.

    Yes, they will get you killed and to control them you must be prepared to die; they also bring forth life.

    Nietzsche wrote:

    “The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.”

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-jinping

    It is funny that you quote Nietzsche, because the way you describe yourself is pure slave morality, but you think it is the opposite.

    , @sher singh
    @Xi-jinping


    game ultimately represents a form of defection
     
    Some strive for the palace bedroom
    Others merely wish to place their heads at the feet of the Guru।।

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/comments/nu6bub/june_6th_our_general_finally_falls_obtaining/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_title

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  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Coconuts


    Along the same lines, I think it was hearing Bari Weiss talking about the growing scale of the Incel phenomena among men in their 20s and 30s that suggested to me that at some point elements of the Red Pill could end up getting into the Anglo mainstream.
     
    I think a lot of kindhearted people, which I guess includes Bari Weiss, look at incels and see young men in serious pain and confusion.

    I also think that they will be taken seriously, but not literally. When I close my eyes and see the commenter here "Xi Jinping", he appears as a vast open wound. If you're open to your own problems, other people's pain can become very intense.

    "Toxic masculinity" is a stupid phrase, but "wounded masculinity" is better. His self-conception is very extreme, feels desperate and born of a deep lack of unworthiness. This will make him a very easy victim.

    Political movements have succeeded, born on energies such as his, but, as everyone basically recognises, only they only do so in times of social disaster and general trauma.

    Instead of the "red pill" as it is, I think that women's "wounded feminity" will be examined. Women can be extremely cruel, emotionally abusive and manipulative, but many of their methods are unrecognised by society.

    Fake rape accusations are obviously a thing. Crushing your longterm partner's emotional needs is a thing. Driving men to suicide is a thing.

    A lot of incels have been moulded by exactly these types of behaviours. Ironically, perhaps, I can imagine a Lesbian like Bari Weiss being particularly open to these observations.

    Women do these things because they feel they have failed as a woman. They put their identity before their self. Camille Paglia, who didn't need to prove herself as a "woman", gets it.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    His self-conception is very extreme, feels desperate and born of a deep lack of unworthiness.

    This is one of those hilarious female quotes similar to “men are just intimidated by a strong independent woman”. No. Why would I as a guy who is 6’4 at 223 lbs be intimidated by a woman who is 100 lbs? That makes no sense. Same applies to this. I see women for what they are and respond accordingly. To not adapt is stupid. I just do not allow emotions to cloud my judgement, as many guys do. One could say I am first and foremost a pragmatic. I cannot change women, once they change – so will I.

    You are going by partial ‘feelings’ and trying to project some female conceptions onto the male mind.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-jinping

    I am sorry. I meant a deep lack of "worthiness." You need a hug. You're not intimidated by me. You're intimidated by your own emotional needs, for which I am just a placeholder.

    Say you do manage to convince me that you are a heroic, masculine man who knows everything and has no needs, how will that feel?

    I believe it will feel empty, because it is a lie and a self-betrayal, and you spent the journey deeply anxious of being validated. What's the point?

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

  • @Philip Owen
    @Xi-jinping

    The random attacks on me were all by at least 5. In the one case there was plenty of space. I was lucky and hammered the first one quickly. The others ran. Otherwise, I still have the scars.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    Yeah man. Usually the best thing to do if jumped is to run. Its not always possible though. That’s when boxing and wrestling come in. Boxing allows you to keep them at a distance. Grappling for when they’re close.

  • @sher singh
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Stop hating on dude for having game, Donate to Karlin if you want his digits.

    His approach is probably better than breaking rules n shit in public to get girls.

    I don't have the emotional depth or patience to do the muh game way though||

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    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    Women in general hate on guys who speak openly of Game, as it bypasses their ‘mate selection mechanisms’. Doesn’t mean that they cease to be susceptible to it.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Xi-jinping

    Na, I think because game ultimately represents a form of defection against other men; and,
    women are the glue within and arbiter between tribes. Game threatens social stability & fem power

    Through tribalism & status jockeying guys who get girls with game, still would; so would friends
    That type of mating selection process also tends to form stable marriages & involves fathers.

    --

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-158/#comment-4789308


    Think of feminism as putting all women in a common state-backed harem.
    Of course, this assumes that there is always ownership over women & politics merely the transfer.

    Of course, being a white woman you’ll scream this isn’t true as you’re looking for a strong owner||

     

    If she as a white woman is unfit for marriage, she's serviceable as a concubine; and, only represents the social weakness of white society.

    This, doesn't mean she doesn't merit the attention/respect of a woman (functioning womb or ability to nurse) and that's about it. :shrug:

    Women are not some evil, demon beings. They are Shakti, Divine Essence (Feminine), The Sword.
    Yes, they will get you killed and to control them you must be prepared to die; they also bring forth life.


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    Replies: @Xi-jinping

  • sher singh says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-jinping

    How do you want your marriage to be?

    So far you have asserted that you want to control her economic security. You have also made clear that you don't want any space for your emotions, but that it should be about hers all of the time.

    This sounds extremely bleak. It is a picture constructed of big red flags for abuse.

    If women are so easy to manipulate then why have I gotten such a nightmarish view of what it is you want?

    Replies: @sher singh, @Xi-jinping

    Stop hating on dude for having game, Donate to Karlin if you want his digits.

    His approach is probably better than breaking rules n shit in public to get girls.

    I don’t have the emotional depth or patience to do the muh game way though||

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    • Thanks: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
    @sher singh

    Women in general hate on guys who speak openly of Game, as it bypasses their 'mate selection mechanisms'. Doesn't mean that they cease to be susceptible to it.

    Replies: @sher singh

  • @sher singh
    @Xi-jinping

    I'll bite, do you carry weapons?

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    Where I currently reside does not allow carrying/owning of firearms.

    I see no point in carrying knives as stabbing someone would land me in more trouble than beating the shit out of them. Which is why I used to do boxing and now do Greco-Roman Wrestling (I do not think that BJJ is practical in a street fight as you are more likely to encounter multiple assailants than a single one).

    Why do you ask?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Xi-jinping

    The random attacks on me were all by at least 5. In the one case there was plenty of space. I was lucky and hammered the first one quickly. The others ran. Otherwise, I still have the scars.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    , @sher singh
    @Xi-jinping

    Real politics is only possible where the culture is OK with open carry of weapons.
    Could be any kind tbh: guns, knives, swords, spears, battle-axes.

    Weapons are a form of the Goddess and the mark of a Man (along with Kesh)
    I ask because I agree with your positions but they obviously come from a westernized, secular society

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  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-jinping

    How do you want your marriage to be?

    So far you have asserted that you want to control her economic security. You have also made clear that you don't want any space for your emotions, but that it should be about hers all of the time.

    This sounds extremely bleak. It is a picture constructed of big red flags for abuse.

    If women are so easy to manipulate then why have I gotten such a nightmarish view of what it is you want?

    Replies: @sher singh, @Xi-jinping

    How do you want your marriage to be?

    I would only do any form of marriage with a virgin. As women who have had extra martial sex are no longer capable of pair bonding.

    So far you have asserted that you want to control her economic security.

    LOL. Having a loving husband bring and hand over his paycheck to the wife (as was the case in the USSR) is ‘evul male controlling her economic security’…

    Most men are incredibly malleable to a womans whims because of the magical thing that women carry between their legs.

    abuse

    Yes I agree. Women are far more prone to emotionally abuse men and there is little recourse to the authorities as it is hard to prove. Another reason why I do not recommend marriage unless it is towards a virgin.

    If women are so easy to manipulate then why have I gotten such a nightmarish view of what it is you want?

    Because you are 1) American (or from the West) and brainwashed by feminist propaganda 2) because you are emotionally broken 3) because you are a man hater (likely due to guys you liked either not paying attention to you or breaking up with you).

  • @sher singh
    @Xi-jinping

    Power structures.

    Red Cliff is better than anything Hollywood put out since 90s however, US media is more 'relatable'
    Meaning, you are more likely to impress your local powerbrokers by knowing US film.

    You tend to take info/knowledge above raw power; 1000 bed notches don't count if a man rapes you.

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    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    You are partially right i think. That’s a good point. But, we should ask ‘why is US media more relatable’? That mainly goes back to my first point about US dominating for so long, having longer to develop its soft power and instituting puppet governments everywhere.

    • Agree: sher singh
  • @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-jinping

    Laxa is not male.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    Oh… well that is interesting. In that case, the time honored tradition of the internet (that bodybuilding forums and 4chan popularized) applies, she should post tits or gtfo.

  • @Wency
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Overall, I think these are good points. US culture is able to appeal to much of the world, both because it's already a simpler and more syncretic sort of culture, and because most of the world already at least somewhat relates to European-descended culture because it was colonized by Europe, and therefore European culture has been high-status for a long time.

    I continue to be of the view that quality of life will deteriorate pretty continuously in the US, but I don't think the US state is going to implode (there are too many powerful interests that enjoy seeing it hold together and too few interested in implosion), and I think immigrants will be mostly incorporated into the US economy. Though I do envision a scenario where this fact allows budgets for the US military to continue to expand, even as morale and other factors decline interminably.

    In the long run, the world will be inherited by the breeders, and that change will transform societies the world over. But 21st-century China vs. US is ultimately just a competition between decadent low-TFR empires -- Byzantium vs. Persia, if you will. Neither one can truly dominate the other, unless it can break out of that mold (or its adversary collapses).

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    US culture is able to appeal to much of the world

    US culture appeals for two reasons

    1. Because US has been dominant for so long and has had long to develop its soft power

    2. Because of a ‘perception’ of US being wealthy and ‘cool’. And as we know perception = reality. For example, one could make a case that South Korea makes cooler movies/music. But watching/listening to it is not mainstream (yet). But this is changing with the growing popularity of BTS.

    China hasn’t had long to develop its media and its not viewed as ‘cool’ because of propaganda to the contrary – but if you actually watch Chinese movies and shows – many of them are well made and ‘cool’.

    Ultimately – the predominance of US culture is about perceived status – people think that associating with it gives them higher status.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Xi-jinping

    Power structures.

    Red Cliff is better than anything Hollywood put out since 90s however, US media is more 'relatable'
    Meaning, you are more likely to impress your local powerbrokers by knowing US film.

    You tend to take info/knowledge above raw power; 1000 bed notches don't count if a man rapes you.

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  • AP says:
    @Xi-Jinping
    @Triteleia Laxa


    No, you hate your emotionality. It makes you feel scared
     
    On the contrary I recognize my own emotions and deal with them as they come. However I do not show them to wonen bc women despise emotionality in men. If you had any experience with women, youd know that.


    We've already established that you are not qualified to speak of women bc you did not poast bitches.

    Its like in a Roman court where veterans will expose the scars on their chest to show they always faced the enemy and never ran. This gave their words more gravity as they proved their word through deed. You did not prove your word through deed whereas I did. Which means that you are not qualified to speak on the matter bc you dont get bitches.

    Replies: @AP

    Are you autistic, or rather sociopathic?

    It depends on whether you were truthful about your claims about your personal life. If you weren’t, then your obvious cluelessness about women suggests autism. You would do well to learn from your interlocutor.

    If you were truthful, then sociopathy comes into play.

    But Triteleia really manipulated you well. That must burn 🙂

    • Troll: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
    @AP

    I poasted a pic to confirm truth of my words.


    But Triteleia really manipulated you well. That must burn 🙂
     
    LOL. Whenever someone goes 'you go first' it becomes obvious they won't do it (because they have nothing to present - because if they did they would have poasted without trying to turn it over to the other person).

    The reason I did it was two fold
    1. To humiliate Triteleia - because by not poasting he merely shows like he talks a big game but has nothing to show for it.

    2. To prove what I say is true.

    So no. Triteleia is just trying to cope with the fact that he doesn't get laid. lol

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  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Passer by

    I am not boasting of anything. I am just saying that greater economic development leads to greater economic independence for women.

    This manifests in women being able to get more professional jobs and the delegitimisation of "traditionalist" political programmes when it comes to gender.

    Any politics that stands against this current, dooms itself to ever increasing marginalisation, because not even the most tradded up online teen wants to actually enforce the laws which would be required.

    How much better would immigration restriction have sold if it had been seen, for the last few decades, as inimical to women's comfort in the workplace? Rather than as the politics of people who think that the only place for women is locked up at home?

    Replies: @Passer by, @Daniel Chieh, @Coconuts, @Xi-jinping

    I am not boasting of anything. I am just saying that greater economic development leads to greater economic independence for women.

    There is no relation between ‘greater economic development’ and breakdown of traditional gender roles.

    One does not preclude the other. It just so happens that with greater economic development you also get more propaganda to get women into the workforce (in capitalism – to increase the labor pool and reduce wages; in communism – to garner maximal public support).

    So again, it has everything to do with propaganda.

    And as we both know – you don’t get women, so you don’t know their nature and how easily manipulated they can be.

    Any politics that stands against this current, dooms itself to ever increasing marginalisation, because not even the most tradded up online teen wants to actually enforce the laws which would be required.

    Which is why these politics must not be blatant. And why I said it needs to be in the form of media.

    Feminism used to be an entirely marginal position – and women in the 50’s in America would rightfully ask, “Why would I want to go and work and lose the great deal I currently have?”, but then there was a concerted effort of the CIA together with corporate donors to run a propaganda campaign that resulted in the Sexual Revolution of the 60’s.

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    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-jinping

    How do you want your marriage to be?

    So far you have asserted that you want to control her economic security. You have also made clear that you don't want any space for your emotions, but that it should be about hers all of the time.

    This sounds extremely bleak. It is a picture constructed of big red flags for abuse.

    If women are so easy to manipulate then why have I gotten such a nightmarish view of what it is you want?

    Replies: @sher singh, @Xi-jinping

    , @sher singh
    @Xi-jinping

    I'll bite, do you carry weapons?

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    , @dfordoom
    @Xi-jinping


    There is no relation between ‘greater economic development’ and breakdown of traditional gender roles.
     
    Greater economic development is usually accompanied by steadily increasing mass media and mass education. And technological development. It's not always easy to figure out which of those factors has contributed to the breakdown of traditional gender roles.

    I think that technological development may be the big one. The one that makes the breakdown of traditional gender roles inevitable.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Xi-jinping

  • @AP
    @Xi-Jinping

    Are you autistic, or rather sociopathic?

    It depends on whether you were truthful about your claims about your personal life. If you weren't, then your obvious cluelessness about women suggests autism. You would do well to learn from your interlocutor.

    If you were truthful, then sociopathy comes into play.

    But Triteleia really manipulated you well. That must burn :-)

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    I poasted a pic to confirm truth of my words.

    But Triteleia really manipulated you well. That must burn 🙂

    LOL. Whenever someone goes ‘you go first’ it becomes obvious they won’t do it (because they have nothing to present – because if they did they would have poasted without trying to turn it over to the other person).

    The reason I did it was two fold
    1. To humiliate Triteleia – because by not poasting he merely shows like he talks a big game but has nothing to show for it.

    2. To prove what I say is true.

    So no. Triteleia is just trying to cope with the fact that he doesn’t get laid. lol

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-jinping

    Laxa is not male.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

  • @Morton's toes
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    When Will China Rule the World? Maybe Never
    Bloomberg 5 July

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-07-05/when-will-china-s-economy-beat-the-u-s-to-become-no-1-why-it-may-never-happen

    Replies: @Passer by

    I personally tweeted on their Twitter account that the article is biased. For example it sees possible negative scenarios only for China, but not for the US. For example that economic crisis may happen in China, but not in the US. This is one sided, an economic crisis may happen in the US too, actually they regularly happen. They did not mention the issues with US debt, only the chinese one, or the issues with US birth rate drops, only the chinese ones.

    • Agree: Xi-Jinping
  • @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    Jews are less than 0,2% of the population, so Karlin is showing 15 times higher levels of Judaism than a normal sample .

    If international guidelines for normal safe levels of Judaism in a person are 2000 ppm (parts per million), Karlin's blood is measuring contamination rates as high as 30,000 ppm, at which point we might might begin to see the neurotoxic effects with symptoms like an interest in stock market and collecting multiple passports.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping, @Yellowface Anon, @Anatoly Karlin

    Didnt know Karlin is a Jew. If he is, that explains alot

  • @AaronB
    Just as 2% Jews dominate the world, so too 3% of Jewish ancestry dominates Karlin's personality.

    There is no escape, Karlin.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Dmitry

    Jews are less than 0,2% of the population, so Karlin is showing 15 times higher levels of Judaism than a normal sample .

    If international guidelines for normal safe levels of Judaism in a person are 2000 ppm (parts per million), Karlin’s blood is measuring contamination rates as high as 30,000 ppm, at which point we might might begin to see the neurotoxic effects with symptoms like an interest in stock market and collecting multiple passports.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Xi-Jinping
    @Dmitry

    Didnt know Karlin is a Jew. If he is, that explains alot

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @Dmitry

    It's just neurotic Internationalism that afflict Jews in large numbers and other ethnicies to a smaller extent (such as Karlin)

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Dmitry

    Didn't you once say that you were at 125,000 ppm Judaism?

    Anyhow, as you well know, it's typically only full Jews who say they are Jews on Russian censuses. Both Moscow's and Saint-Petersburg's population peaked at ~5% Jewish during the 1920s, even in 2010 Moscow was at 0.5% (>1% in its central parts). Between that and assimilation, I don't even think my 3% admixture is extremely atypical relative to the average ethnic Russian Muscovite (who I would guess is something like 1% Jewish).



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  • @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-Jinping


    Interesting idea. And how has this worked for Hungary thus far?


     

    In Hungary, the fertility rate has risen from 1.23 to 1.48, so that's something.

    Also, the question arises is how do you “encourage” women to have more children?
     
    Money seems to work. Basically it pays couples money to have more children, or extends tax benefits that increase per child born. Basically, instead of trying to push its way, it lowers barriers for people who already want to have a number of children. Indirectly, it might also promote the "breeder" population as well.

    Such policies have been discussed in East Asia, I believe, but are opposed by women(usually with careers) who basically do not want other women to have more children; disguised partly in talk of their tax money going places they don't benefit from, etc or it encouraging the poor to breed, but there's clearly some sort of status thing going on there. Fortunately, at least for China, it is not a democracy and women have had a declining share of political power.

    Its always easier to guide a thirsty horse to the through than it is to force a horse to drink.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    Im not certain how far moneyhelps in raising fertility. In Russia, maternity capital has not had any significant effect in raising birth rates anongst young women.

    In fact, giving money to promote “breeders” especially in Asian societies like China that had families with many kids – doesnt make sense – since it seems logical that only breeders would have outbred everyone in the first place (judging by sheer population size). This propensity for “breeding” has not gone away over the course of 2 or so generations. Evolution does not work that fast. This indicates to me that this is more of a “mental software” than “hardware” issue.

    Money promoting “breeders” only works in societies with a relatively small population as there would exist a much larger percent of “non-breeders”. I do not think these exist in populous countries like China.

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-Jinping


    Women hate emotionality in men. It makes them scared.
     
    No, you hate your emotionality. It makes you feel scared.

    No wonder you feel worthless, you have decided that hating yourself is strength.

    And no wonder you are seeking my validation, you can't even validate your own feelings.


    Women need somebody to ground them and look for this in a man. This happens by her being able to feel that a guy is unperturbed by whatever is happening around them.
     
    If you felt more worthy, you wouldn't be comparing yourself to dirt on the ground, and you wouldn't need to pretend to be unperturbed by small slights.

    The only person who you've been playing is yourself.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    No, you hate your emotionality. It makes you feel scared

    On the contrary I recognize my own emotions and deal with them as they come. However I do not show them to wonen bc women despise emotionality in men. If you had any experience with women, youd know that.

    We’ve already established that you are not qualified to speak of women bc you did not poast bitches.

    Its like in a Roman court where veterans will expose the scars on their chest to show they always faced the enemy and never ran. This gave their words more gravity as they proved their word through deed. You did not prove your word through deed whereas I did. Which means that you are not qualified to speak on the matter bc you dont get bitches.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Xi-Jinping

    Are you autistic, or rather sociopathic?

    It depends on whether you were truthful about your claims about your personal life. If you weren't, then your obvious cluelessness about women suggests autism. You would do well to learn from your interlocutor.

    If you were truthful, then sociopathy comes into play.

    But Triteleia really manipulated you well. That must burn :-)

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-Jinping


    psychological strength is what women want
     
    I don't think you know what this means, but you're right, even a lot of what feminism sincerely and openly wants men to do, is encouraging them to be psychologically stronger.

    For example, while poorly articulated, the campaign against "mansplaining" is encouraging men to recognise their epistemological limits and to be more curious. This is good advice.

    So again, sleeping with alot of women does nothing to enhance my own social status.
     
    I've just manipulated you to post an outre photo of a supposed "conquest" so that I, a stranger, can affirm your masculine value. You are too funny!

    They will actively test for it by trying to stur up conflict, drama or seeing how you react under pressure.
     
    People instinctively push others to develop. They do this in manifold ways. You have taken a thin slice of human interaction and made it the whole. I would strongly advise you to avoid entangling yourself with women who cause you to be constantly defensive. Your intuition is telling you to leave that situation. Listen to it.

    If you must stay with them, try opening up about the way you feel hurt by their behaviour and see if they care. If they don't care, have the courage to leave. Lying to yourself that you're not actually hurt is just playing yourself, not them.

    If you want to improve your "psychological strength", start by admitting, to yourself, just how much you want my validation and what that means given that I am total stranger. Have the courage to build yourself on foundations of truth, and you will be far more resilient. Lying to me, or other people, is fine, often necessary, but lying to yourself is stupid.

    Women and men have different biological imperatives and methods of achieving them.
     
    I understand the narrative, but it is a simplistic fantasy of biology. If we are biological beings then whatever we do is biological, and most people don't actually act as you describe, therefore what you describe is not biological. Reflect on this for a bit. It is important.

    In traditional societies (before the social pact of monogamy was made), women where concentrated around a few men in harems. This accounts for why men have 17 female ancestors to 1 male ancestor (measured by variation in mitochondrial DNA for the female line and Y chromosomal variation in the male line).
     
    A fact easily explained without your long diversion, by the story of the Sabine women. When war was more frequent and more local, and humans operated in much smaller groups, sometimes the men of one group would all be killed in a battle and the women would be still be alive. The quasi-rape, prostitution, making lemonade from lemons, that would follow, adequately explains the genetic phenomena which you highlight. Life has always been messy, but, thankfully, we seem easily able to do better.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    don’t think you know what this means, but you’re right, even a lot of what feminism sincerely and openly wants men to do, is encouraging them to be psychologically stronger.

    For example, while poorly articulated, the campaign against “mansplaining” is encouraging men to recognise their epistemological limits and to be more curious. This is good advice.

    LOL. No. Feminst complaining about “mansplaining” is about power not epistemological limits or being more curious *facepalm*

    You dont know what “psychological strength” is judging by the drivel you wrote. In this context it means resistance to stress. Women need somebody to ground them and look for this in a man. This happens by her being able to feel that a guy is unperturbed by whatever is happening around them.

    I’ve just manipulated you to post an outre photo of a supposed “conquest” so that I, a stranger, can affirm your masculine value. You are too funny!

    Haha no. I was perfectly aware you wouldnt poast your own bitches. The reason i did it was to humiliate you not to have some (probably fat) internet stranger to “affirm my value”. Since i knew you wouldnt poast, me poasting affirms that I did not lie. Whereas you not poasting merely indicates you get nothing. This puts whatever you say into doubt.

    This is very much the method ancient romans used in court to confirm the truth of their words.

    People instinctively push others to develop. They do this in manifold ways. You have taken a thin slice of human interaction and made it the whole. I would strongly advise you to avoid entangling yourself with women who cause you to be constantly defensive. Your intuition is telling you to leave that situation. Listen to it.

    If you must stay with them, try opening up about the way you feel hurt by their behaviour and see if they care. If they don’t care, have the courage to leave. Lying to yourself that you’re not actually hurt is just playing yourself, not them.

    If you want to improve your “psychological strength”, start by admitting, to yourself, just how much you want my validation and what that means given that I am total stranger. Have the courage to build yourself on foundations of truth, and you will be far more resilient. Lying to me, or other people, is fine, often necessary, but lying to yourself is stupid.

    LOL this reads like a cope. Women hate emotionality in men. It makes them scared.

    I dont care for your validation, but I did prove a point.

     

    fact easily explained without your long diversion, by the story of the Sabine women. When war was more frequent and more local, and humans operated in much smaller groups, sometimes the men of one group would all be killed in a battle and the women would be still be alive

    You described the concept of “War brides” where women are able to rapidly adapt to a new man or the loss of an old one. Which manifests itself in the ability of women to get over men easier than men get over women.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/psmag.com/.amp/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-Jinping


    Women hate emotionality in men. It makes them scared.
     
    No, you hate your emotionality. It makes you feel scared.

    No wonder you feel worthless, you have decided that hating yourself is strength.

    And no wonder you are seeking my validation, you can't even validate your own feelings.


    Women need somebody to ground them and look for this in a man. This happens by her being able to feel that a guy is unperturbed by whatever is happening around them.
     
    If you felt more worthy, you wouldn't be comparing yourself to dirt on the ground, and you wouldn't need to pretend to be unperturbed by small slights.

    The only person who you've been playing is yourself.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @sher singh

    "Racially-fuelled police violence" must be punished while regular police violence commited on same-race victims are ok, eh?

    The respect for the inherent value of humanity is gone.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    Realistically speaking there is “no inherent value of humanity”. A predator will eat you just like it will eat a rabbit. Nature will destroy you in one way or another. If humans had “inherent value” in the eyes of the Universe, we would not be so easily destroyed. We are less insignificant than dust to the Universe because dust makes stars and planets that last for millenia whereas a human is lucky to live a small insignificant speck in the history of the Universe.

    Humans like to ascribe themselves value but are ultimately worthless. This “inherent value” is a meme intended to increase social stability but even our human elites do not think that – if they did, theyd make greater effort to take care of their flock. But they do not.

    • Agree: Svevlad
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-Jinping

    I am sorry you feel worthless.

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-Jinping


    If you think im using “my story” to acquire more social status on an anonymous board, why dont we poast the quality of women we get and see who gets the hotter women?
     
    You go first!

    I also understand what "game" is, and the "theory" behind it. I strongly disagree with why it "works", while not disputing the basic efficacy of don't be pathetic, don't be disgusting and don't be boring.

    My main "interesting point" is that "game" posits that women are all about social status, unlike men, who like sex, because of biology.

    I find this hilarious, because, as per your post, men who talk about "game" a lot are obviously motivated by the way in which they perceive that sleeping with a lot of hot women will add to their own social status as a performatively masculine, sharp-eyed cynic.

    This, the inability to discern your own motivations from those of others, is a distinct psychological weakness. Such weaknesses make you very easy to manipulate; especially when paired with the delusion that you are manipulating others.

    Please try to calmly list what you think motivates women, and then attempt to recognise yourself in that list. It will be good for you.

    As for your triumphs with all of those hotties, I am happy for you, just try to remember, that from sex upwards through to lifetime partnership, it is about the journey, not the destination, as the destination is always death.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping, @Morton's toes

    Game states that women are not just about social status lol. If you think that you know nothing of Game.

    Women and men have different biological imperatives and methods of achieving them.

    Women have a dual mating strategy that can be broadly described as “alpha fucks, beta bucks”. Meaning that they’d rather fuck (and potentially have the kids) of a guy they think is psychologically alpha and have the weaker, provider type pay for it. This explains why women are more prone to cheat then men. If a man can embody both archetypes, that is ideal but very very rare. In youth when theyre beauty (and social status) is maxinized they will seek to date and sleep with the best guys. As they get older and their beauty (and this social status) declines, this becomes harder until they settle down with some poor schmuk who will be happy to provide for them and a kid blisfully unaware of their sordid past.

    Men on the other hand want to maximize their ability to sleep with as man women as possible (biologically speaking) while minimizing their investment.

    In traditional societies (before the social pact of monogamy was made), women where concentrated around a few men in harems. This accounts for why men have 17 female ancestors to 1 male ancestor (measured by variation in mitochondrial DNA for the female line and Y chromosomal variation in the male line). Eventually a social contract was made that guarenteed one woman for one man (however the powerful still ended up having harems), and this was done to ensure social stability and that men have a reason to contribute to society without going GALT or trying to overthrow it. This social contract broke and we are seeing a return to traditional times – most men arent having sex and most sex is concentrated around top 20% of men in a pareto distrbution. This has been even more exacerbated by online dating and womens enfranchisement . Game evolved as a response to that.

    Now you ask what makes a guy “alpha”? Of course social status, looks and money plays a role but ultimately women are willing to overlook that if you can project psychological strength. Looks money and status makes things a great deal easier, but psychological strength is what women want. They will actively test for it by trying to stur up conflict, drama or seeing how you react under pressure. This explains why some guys who “shouldnt” be able to get with hot women, do whereas rich men have to pay women (such as yourself) to get with them.

    So again, sleeping with alot of women does nothing to enhance my own social status. Guys dont care beyond trying to get the same thing. Its fun for me.

    https://ibb.co/b6Qg8Tw

    Poast bitches. It will autodelete in 2 hours

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-Jinping


    psychological strength is what women want
     
    I don't think you know what this means, but you're right, even a lot of what feminism sincerely and openly wants men to do, is encouraging them to be psychologically stronger.

    For example, while poorly articulated, the campaign against "mansplaining" is encouraging men to recognise their epistemological limits and to be more curious. This is good advice.

    So again, sleeping with alot of women does nothing to enhance my own social status.
     
    I've just manipulated you to post an outre photo of a supposed "conquest" so that I, a stranger, can affirm your masculine value. You are too funny!

    They will actively test for it by trying to stur up conflict, drama or seeing how you react under pressure.
     
    People instinctively push others to develop. They do this in manifold ways. You have taken a thin slice of human interaction and made it the whole. I would strongly advise you to avoid entangling yourself with women who cause you to be constantly defensive. Your intuition is telling you to leave that situation. Listen to it.

    If you must stay with them, try opening up about the way you feel hurt by their behaviour and see if they care. If they don't care, have the courage to leave. Lying to yourself that you're not actually hurt is just playing yourself, not them.

    If you want to improve your "psychological strength", start by admitting, to yourself, just how much you want my validation and what that means given that I am total stranger. Have the courage to build yourself on foundations of truth, and you will be far more resilient. Lying to me, or other people, is fine, often necessary, but lying to yourself is stupid.

    Women and men have different biological imperatives and methods of achieving them.
     
    I understand the narrative, but it is a simplistic fantasy of biology. If we are biological beings then whatever we do is biological, and most people don't actually act as you describe, therefore what you describe is not biological. Reflect on this for a bit. It is important.

    In traditional societies (before the social pact of monogamy was made), women where concentrated around a few men in harems. This accounts for why men have 17 female ancestors to 1 male ancestor (measured by variation in mitochondrial DNA for the female line and Y chromosomal variation in the male line).
     
    A fact easily explained without your long diversion, by the story of the Sabine women. When war was more frequent and more local, and humans operated in much smaller groups, sometimes the men of one group would all be killed in a battle and the women would be still be alive. The quasi-rape, prostitution, making lemonade from lemons, that would follow, adequately explains the genetic phenomena which you highlight. Life has always been messy, but, thankfully, we seem easily able to do better.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @Xi-Jinping

    You're probably underestimating the value of having currencies of political independence and opposition to the coming institutions. Which is why rather than re-formalizing economic activities, informalization is the trend for local economic activities, amd crypto is one of the options.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    I understand peoples desire for political independence but when was the last time governments left a popular thing unregulated? Or freely gave people political independence? I predict crypto.will be attacked by governments at every turn in the future

  • @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-Jinping

    The reason why governments encourage women in the workforce is that they would like more GDP per capita; this was explicitly the reasoning behind Abenomics. The corporate encouragement of female employment and the two-income trap has been documented elsewhere, its relatively solid.

    I don't think men particularly favor large families either though; in general, urban environments don't since children are costs rather than potential employees. Its also possible that there's just some sort of mental effect against crowding.

    I personally think that pro-natalism policies should resemble Hungary's, which seem to encourage women already with children to have more children. That's particularly useful in East Asia, where many women have one child - but then stop at one. Encouraging increased fertility from those who have more, and thus already have sunk costs into children, is likely an effective trend.

    Probably if you create enough mothers like that, they'll basically form their own political bloc. Housewives can have a surprising amount of free time for politics once the children are older, or if they have older children taking care of younger ones.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    The reason why governments encourage women in the workforce is that they would like more GDP per capita; this was explicitly the reasoning behind Abenomics.

    I agree. Once a certain lvele of prosperity is reached (and in especially dire straits like Korea or Japan), the emphasis should shift away from GDP/capita and towards fertility. I wonder if we will see this.

    The corporate encouragement of female employment

    It seems the entire feminist movement that is seen in the West is derived from corporations trying to brainwash women into entering the workforce to increase the labor pool while decreasing wages.

    I don’t think men particularly favor large families either though

    Most Men are more romantic (ironically) than women and are essentially open to doing whatever the woman wants. However on social media (especially om the right), it seems that “Trad lifestyles” with large families are being propagandized for men. This is bound to subconciously influence mens preferences.

    In general, urban environments don’t since children are costs rather than potential employees.

    I dont think people think this far ahead. Rather they see glamorous lifestyles on TV and want to continue having “fun” (usually “fun” is also whatever they see online/on tv)

    Its also possible that there’s just some sort of mental effect against crowding.

    I dont think such a mechanism exists. Though I may be mistaken.

    I personally think that pro-natalism policies should resemble Hungary’s, which seem to encourage women already with children to have more children. That’s particularly useful in East Asia, where many women have one child – but then stop at one. Encouraging increased fertility from those who have more, and thus already have sunk costs into children, is likely an effective trend.

    Probably if you create enough mothers like that, they’ll basically form their own political bloc. Housewives can have a surprising amount of free time for politics once the children are older, or if they have older children taking care of younger ones.

    Interesting idea. And how has this worked for Hungary thus far?

    Also, the question arises is how do you “encourage” women to have more children? The only way I see is to flood them with propaganda. Good propaganda is strong enough to bypass peoples natural aversion/dusgust to gays or transvestites, i’m sure it will work particularly strong on things that are biological imperatives like child raising.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-Jinping


    Interesting idea. And how has this worked for Hungary thus far?


     

    In Hungary, the fertility rate has risen from 1.23 to 1.48, so that's something.

    Also, the question arises is how do you “encourage” women to have more children?
     
    Money seems to work. Basically it pays couples money to have more children, or extends tax benefits that increase per child born. Basically, instead of trying to push its way, it lowers barriers for people who already want to have a number of children. Indirectly, it might also promote the "breeder" population as well.

    Such policies have been discussed in East Asia, I believe, but are opposed by women(usually with careers) who basically do not want other women to have more children; disguised partly in talk of their tax money going places they don't benefit from, etc or it encouraging the poor to breed, but there's clearly some sort of status thing going on there. Fortunately, at least for China, it is not a democracy and women have had a declining share of political power.

    Its always easier to guide a thirsty horse to the through than it is to force a horse to drink.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @Xi-Jinping


    Many of the multinational corporations in the US (especially large ones) will either move overseas or collapse (moving overseas is more likely.
     
    Collapse, nationalizations or break-ups are quite possible to me (especially those strongly associated with Federal power e.g. Big Media, Social Media, Big Pharma).

    the dollar may stay as the de facto currency, eventually each seceded state will develop its own currency to “legitimize” the rule of their new government.
     
    If libertarian ideology is strong in some parts gold and crypto will predominate.

    Also, a “specialization” and alliance of states will form to be able to acquire food (as many of the costal cities are not self sufficient.
     
    Also possible that interior "Red" states will intentionally block food sales to "Blue" states for ideological revenge (partisan labels losing relevance notwithstanding)

    Let me quote the UN middle projections (that appear increasingly laughable each passing day) for the US, China, Japan, Germany and Mexico in 2100:
    US 434M
    China 1065M
    Japan 75M
    Germany 75M
    Mexico 142M
    It is indeed very catastrophic for Japan and Germany, especially if you consider that Japan will be a nation of downwardly mobile seniors and Turks in Germany could reach parity with Germans (I think Turks are Greek-tier but you still don't want Southern European efficiency in the industrial powerhouse of Europe)

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    crypto

    Crypto is a meme that will not last long. Its entirely speculative and has no value. As a result it will eventually crash. Already China has banned Crypto, India will follow suit. More countries will ban crypto (probably all of EU) once they start releasing their own digital currency. Governments do not go long without regulating, unregulated markets. As more places will ban crypto, its initial value will rise as it becomes scarcer and then collapse entirely as there is not enough people “mining” or “using” it. At most bitcoin will remain in use for the dark web/criminal enterprises but I do not imagine it having long widespread use.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Xi-Jinping

    You're probably underestimating the value of having currencies of political independence and opposition to the coming institutions. Which is why rather than re-formalizing economic activities, informalization is the trend for local economic activities, amd crypto is one of the options.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-Jinping


    I’ve had sex with more women than most guys will in their lifetime. I’m tall and good looking asian guy who lifts 5x a week....Point is not to brag about my sexploits
     
    That is the only discernable point.

    Women will go after what they think gives them more social status – society (and men) can use that to their advantage
     
    You're hoping to use your story above to get more "social status" on this board, so I don't imagine that you'd be difficult to manipulate in exactly the way you think women are. This is interesting. It is also why I said that you would end up wound around some girl's finger, completely oblivious.

    Further evidence is that you think that you are tricking those women into sex, with the implication that you owe them something. If you are tall and good looking, then you aren't tricking them at all. Women enjoy sex and like tall and good looking men. They're just giving you that impression so that they get free use of your credit card, which I believe is ordinary in East Asia; you Machiavellian manipulator, you.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping, @AaronB

    If you think im using “my story” to acquire more social status on an anonymous board, why dont we poast the quality of women we get and see who gets the hotter women? If you presume to make judgements about them, im sure you arent afraid of such a challenge?

    that you are tricking those women into sex, with the implication that you owe them something

    Sure women like sex with good looking men. I wasnt always good looking (looks is often a function of how you dress/your physique and less so about face, imo). Still had no problems then.

    They’re just giving you that impression so that they get free use of your credit card, 

    Further proof you dont meet many women – if you need a “credit card” or money to get laid – then you’re a beta! In fact, if you want good relationships with women never pay for them and get them gifts. Ever. And never let them use your credit card. Spend money freely on yourself not on them.

    If you need money to get a woman, you’re doing it wrong. I’ve had women pay for expensive hotels while i was a broke student living on a matress with my mom.

    • Replies: @JL
    @Xi-Jinping


    why dont we poast the quality of women we get and see who gets the hotter women?
     
    Just a guess, but maybe because Triteleia Laxa isn't a lesbian and, therefore, has no female conquests to compare?
    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-Jinping


    If you think im using “my story” to acquire more social status on an anonymous board, why dont we poast the quality of women we get and see who gets the hotter women?
     
    You go first!

    I also understand what "game" is, and the "theory" behind it. I strongly disagree with why it "works", while not disputing the basic efficacy of don't be pathetic, don't be disgusting and don't be boring.

    My main "interesting point" is that "game" posits that women are all about social status, unlike men, who like sex, because of biology.

    I find this hilarious, because, as per your post, men who talk about "game" a lot are obviously motivated by the way in which they perceive that sleeping with a lot of hot women will add to their own social status as a performatively masculine, sharp-eyed cynic.

    This, the inability to discern your own motivations from those of others, is a distinct psychological weakness. Such weaknesses make you very easy to manipulate; especially when paired with the delusion that you are manipulating others.

    Please try to calmly list what you think motivates women, and then attempt to recognise yourself in that list. It will be good for you.

    As for your triumphs with all of those hotties, I am happy for you, just try to remember, that from sex upwards through to lifetime partnership, it is about the journey, not the destination, as the destination is always death.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping, @Morton's toes

  • @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-Jinping


    This merely supports my idea that women can be brainwashed into having more children just like they can be brainwashed into the workforce.
     
    Replace women with people, and it's pretty accurate. The fish absorbs what's in the water, people absorb the information provided: men and women both.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    I agree in general – however men seem to be more susceptible to xenophobic/status quo/militiristic propaganda. Women are more susceptible to social propaganda (social media, movies, etc). Anecdotally, men have no opposition to large families, its mostly the women who dont want them bc they seem to think that a career is glamorous and desirable and pleasant (never mind to womens happiness levels being lowest in history) – this view seems to come from the media that actively pushes women into the workforce and shows motherhood as something “oppressive” and “undesirable”. Given womens inherent emotionality, desire for social status and social conformity, and predeliction for following trends – a strong propaganda campaign targeted at adolescent and teen girls showing them how desirable a large family is and how miserable career women are will see a large efflux of women from the workforce.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-Jinping

    The reason why governments encourage women in the workforce is that they would like more GDP per capita; this was explicitly the reasoning behind Abenomics. The corporate encouragement of female employment and the two-income trap has been documented elsewhere, its relatively solid.

    I don't think men particularly favor large families either though; in general, urban environments don't since children are costs rather than potential employees. Its also possible that there's just some sort of mental effect against crowding.

    I personally think that pro-natalism policies should resemble Hungary's, which seem to encourage women already with children to have more children. That's particularly useful in East Asia, where many women have one child - but then stop at one. Encouraging increased fertility from those who have more, and thus already have sunk costs into children, is likely an effective trend.

    Probably if you create enough mothers like that, they'll basically form their own political bloc. Housewives can have a surprising amount of free time for politics once the children are older, or if they have older children taking care of younger ones.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @Xi-Jinping

    This is one of my deeper assumptions on my US estimates. Federal power and massive economies of scale + internal supply chains will have to go, but we might still see a common market and currency (the Dollar), if those aren't points of political contention (I'll say local markets and competing currencies are more likely given the political divide and conflicting ideologies)

    You can just look at Central Asia or Baltics for what will be happening (Independence wiped out Latvia's locomotive industry)

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    I agree that federal power will go. Many of the multinational corporations in the US (especially large ones) will either move overseas or collapse (moving overseas is more likely.

    I think that although the dollar may stay as the de facto currency, eventually each seceded state will develop its own currency to “legitimize” the rule of their new government. Also, a “specialization” and alliance of states will form to be able to acquire food (as many of the costal cities are not self sufficient.

    But this is getting deeply into theory land – i may be wrong about my thesis and US central power is stronger than i thought – but it seems like the “State” system along with the social tensions in the US is a ripe combination for splintering (I know i’d want to be my own boss if i was the governor of a State and the opportunity to secede aros, i’d take it).

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Xi-Jinping


    Many of the multinational corporations in the US (especially large ones) will either move overseas or collapse (moving overseas is more likely.
     
    Collapse, nationalizations or break-ups are quite possible to me (especially those strongly associated with Federal power e.g. Big Media, Social Media, Big Pharma).

    the dollar may stay as the de facto currency, eventually each seceded state will develop its own currency to “legitimize” the rule of their new government.
     
    If libertarian ideology is strong in some parts gold and crypto will predominate.

    Also, a “specialization” and alliance of states will form to be able to acquire food (as many of the costal cities are not self sufficient.
     
    Also possible that interior "Red" states will intentionally block food sales to "Blue" states for ideological revenge (partisan labels losing relevance notwithstanding)

    Let me quote the UN middle projections (that appear increasingly laughable each passing day) for the US, China, Japan, Germany and Mexico in 2100:
    US 434M
    China 1065M
    Japan 75M
    Germany 75M
    Mexico 142M
    It is indeed very catastrophic for Japan and Germany, especially if you consider that Japan will be a nation of downwardly mobile seniors and Turks in Germany could reach parity with Germans (I think Turks are Greek-tier but you still don't want Southern European efficiency in the industrial powerhouse of Europe)

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-Jinping

    The US elite have almost never been more united.

    Imagine having it so easy as rulers that you can convince yourself that January 6th was an insurgency, and use it as a partisan tool for intra-elite squabbling.

    The collapse of the USSR wasn't preceded by them theatrically failing over every minor turbulence, it was preceded by them having to pretend that there was no turbulence, because there was nothing they could do about it.

    History is weird and unpredictable, but, if it weren't for the fact that 1.4 billion people in China finally stopped starving themselves to death, the US would be the undisputed global hegemon for the next few centuries. It is very far from a state of collapse, which is incredibly rare, even if there will be inevitable tough times, as there always are in human travails.

  • @Xi-Jinping
    @Daniel Chieh


    women who do lunch” which emphasizes how pleasant it is. Women can’t make it into doctors, often because their grades are sabotaged, but that’s basically fine because if they can’t think they can, and then no one else tells them they can, then they’re pretty happy about it. And yes, then there are the exceptional cases I mentioned.
     
    This merely supports my idea that women can be brainwashed into having more children just like they can be brainwashed into the workforce. The solution for China and Japan to reverse their poor fertility rates is to make it seem that having many children is a very pleasant and socially desirable thing for women. If combined with good social/financial planning, I predict demographic trends to reverse in a generation (with good enough propaganda and strict censorship).

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Daniel Chieh

    This merely supports my idea that women can be brainwashed into having more children just like they can be brainwashed into the workforce.

    When you one day meet a woman, you will be wrapped as tightly around her finger as a Chinese finger trap.

    • LOL: Xi-Jinping
    • Replies: @Xi-Jinping
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I've had sex with more women than most guys will in their lifetime. I'm tall and good looking asian guy who lifts 5x a week.

    Point is not to brag about my sexploits - point is to say women are easily manipulated if you are the right guy. You can turn a Jewish girl into a rabid Nazi. You can also brainwash a feminist into becoming a housewife (whether she'll be a good one is another question). Women will adopt the views (and lifestyle and hobbies) of a guy theyre with (if they like him alot).

    Women will go after what they think gives them more social status - society (and men) can use that to their advantage. They are also incredibly emotional

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-Jinping


    This merely supports my idea that women can be brainwashed into having more children just like they can be brainwashed into the workforce.
     
    When you one day meet a woman, you will be wrapped as tightly around her finger as a Chinese finger trap.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    I’ve had sex with more women than most guys will in their lifetime. I’m tall and good looking asian guy who lifts 5x a week.

    Point is not to brag about my sexploits – point is to say women are easily manipulated if you are the right guy. You can turn a Jewish girl into a rabid Nazi. You can also brainwash a feminist into becoming a housewife (whether she’ll be a good one is another question). Women will adopt the views (and lifestyle and hobbies) of a guy theyre with (if they like him alot).

    Women will go after what they think gives them more social status – society (and men) can use that to their advantage. They are also incredibly emotional

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-Jinping


    I’ve had sex with more women than most guys will in their lifetime. I’m tall and good looking asian guy who lifts 5x a week....Point is not to brag about my sexploits
     
    That is the only discernable point.

    Women will go after what they think gives them more social status – society (and men) can use that to their advantage
     
    You're hoping to use your story above to get more "social status" on this board, so I don't imagine that you'd be difficult to manipulate in exactly the way you think women are. This is interesting. It is also why I said that you would end up wound around some girl's finger, completely oblivious.

    Further evidence is that you think that you are tricking those women into sex, with the implication that you owe them something. If you are tall and good looking, then you aren't tricking them at all. Women enjoy sex and like tall and good looking men. They're just giving you that impression so that they get free use of your credit card, which I believe is ordinary in East Asia; you Machiavellian manipulator, you.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping, @AaronB

  • @Daniel Chieh
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Nowhere is like that, but Japan is much more like that than most places. In most places you can only taste freedom if you’re extremely rich or homeless.

     

    Well, no, I think you're underestimating the extremes here. Unless you're extremely successful, then you have even less individuality than usual, since the basic idea is that people have roles to execute, roles that vary based on context, etc.

    However, I do think one contrast from what you said that is while there's more conmformity in Japan(and yes, yes, there is, the economic miracle post war would be impossible without it), it is a an effort to build a pleasant conformity. Everything in society often seems to emphasize a role, so while for example, mothers are expected not to work, there's an entire status thing with fashion and "women who do lunch" which emphasizes how pleasant it is. Women can't make it into doctors, often because their grades are sabotaged, but that's basically fine because if they can't think they can, and then no one else tells them they can, then they're pretty happy about it. And yes, then there are the exceptional cases I mentioned.

    It is in many ways, pretty well designed. You don't impose crushing conformity, you kind of harmonize it into being. Its pretty crushing, but it feels organic. That's actually one of the great successes.


    An interesting Unz specific example is this weird valorising of China as some bastion of independent thought, yet all Unz commenters, if they were Chinese, and their concerns were Chinese too, would be social pariahs, probably in jail, and Ron would have been disappeared.
     
    China is much less oppressive than imagined. Unz commentators would likely be fine, much like the zhihu.com commentators are fine. China engages much more in deletion and mass blocks...kinda like Twitter(lol), than anything else. Its people who try to create rival parties that face worse punishment, but its not like the US isn't already there with the declaration of people as "extremists" and "extremist organizations."

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Xi-Jinping

    women who do lunch” which emphasizes how pleasant it is. Women can’t make it into doctors, often because their grades are sabotaged, but that’s basically fine because if they can’t think they can, and then no one else tells them they can, then they’re pretty happy about it. And yes, then there are the exceptional cases I mentioned.

    This merely supports my idea that women can be brainwashed into having more children just like they can be brainwashed into the workforce. The solution for China and Japan to reverse their poor fertility rates is to make it seem that having many children is a very pleasant and socially desirable thing for women. If combined with good social/financial planning, I predict demographic trends to reverse in a generation (with good enough propaganda and strict censorship).

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-Jinping


    This merely supports my idea that women can be brainwashed into having more children just like they can be brainwashed into the workforce.
     
    When you one day meet a woman, you will be wrapped as tightly around her finger as a Chinese finger trap.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Xi-Jinping


    This merely supports my idea that women can be brainwashed into having more children just like they can be brainwashed into the workforce.
     
    Replace women with people, and it's pretty accurate. The fish absorbs what's in the water, people absorb the information provided: men and women both.

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Daniel Chieh


    China is much less oppressive than imagined. Unz commentators would likely be fine, much like the zhihu.com commentators are fine. China engages much more in deletion and mass blocks
     
    Zhihu.com looks even less critical of the Chinese government than the Washington Post is of the Democratic party. Actually much less.

    Where's their article arguing that Covid-19 is a Chinese bioweapon purposefully released out of completely incompetent spite?

    Or that the CCP is composed of a caste of people who ritually sacrifice babies and drink their blood?

    Or that the current aim of the CCP is to make 'yellow genocide"?

    The most government critical thing I saw was an "open" discussion on whether the CCP conducts propaganda overseas - as in pays to get good news. That is it. If it were the US, it could be a Presidential office press release.

    This is evidence of extremely oppressive censorship, that makes the US version look ephemeral.

    Well, no, I think you’re underestimating the extremes here. Unless you’re extremely successful, then you have even less individuality than usual, since the basic idea is that people have roles to execute, roles that vary based on context, etc.
     
    I still perceive Japan as so much closer to the US, than it is to Africa, India or even Latin America, and obviously the Middle East.

    Women can’t make it into doctors, often because their grades are sabotaged, but that’s basically fine because if they can’t think they can
     
    22% of doctors in Japan are women, and rising fast. This is what it was in the US back in the final year of the Clinton administration. Hardly "impossible" for women. Or even negative at all.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Xi-Jinping, @Boomthorkell, @Daniel Chieh

    You should read Weibo, people constantly complain about stuff and protests are encouraged in China and the government seems to be far more responsive.

    Check out the below article for more on the matter:

    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/02/surprise-authoritarian-resilience-china/

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
  • @Passer by
    @Mr. Hack


    I’m glad to read that the US economy should remain relatively unscathed until the 2050’s.
     
    I'm not saying that. Politically the country will become more polarised and fractured. Politics may have an effect on economics. The US also has large and growing debts. The US military will be cut, it is already baked in in future budgets. The US dollar in general will be weakening in the long term both due to the debt issue and the decline in the share of the US in the global economy. The US will be a declining country (in relative decline), imo, up to 2100. I also think that China will be a declining country after 2050, so both of them will be declining.

    IMO the dollar will lose its dominant place, but slowly. There should be a basket of currencies, gold and crypto replacing the dollar, with the dollar still acounting for maybe 25% -30 % of globalreserves, but it will happen slowly imo. By 2050. Not by 2030. It is right now at 59 %. The CNY is estimated to reach 10 % in global reserves by 2030. The dollar will lose its place much faster in transactions, it is happening now, as countries are looking to avoid sanctions or surveillance. It is right now at 39 %.

    So i see a multipolar world in the making, not US dominated, but not China dominated either. Peak China power should be around 2050, i think it will take Taiwan by the 2040s, after that things should get really chaotic and interesting, with India reaching near US GDP at the end of the century, Africa reaching 3-4 trillion people, and muslims becoming nearly 35 % of the global population. A real multipolar world. I think that the curent system will collapse by 2050. It will be more non-white, more post european world. And it should be more dangerous too, probably the NPT regime will collapse, as more and more players emerge, and many countries will obtain nuclear weapons.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Xi-Jinping

    You are making one crucial assumption that needs to be examined – that the US will remain intact as it is now. The uncentralized nature (ie each State is semi-autonomous) of the USA where each “State” is essentially its own country with a unified currency and protected by a central government, means that if the US economy declines, stops being first,’ its productivity falls, has too many people of a certain ethnicity (say Latinos) concentrated in one place – it can so happen that States begin to remember historical grievances or suddenly “discover” a new identity (like Ukraine or the provinces of the Roman Empire) that is suddenly at odds with the rest of the US and may attempt secession – especially if the power of the Feds weaken, some governors may figure it will be better for them if they where the President of their own country.

    This often happens to States/Empires that begin an (even modest) economic decline. This happened to Rome, Britain and USSR. It doesnt usually happen to relatively homogenous states, but the US is not homogenous and will become less so over time. Moreover the semi-autonomous nature of its State system seems like it would lend itself well to splintering. A splintering will ruin any projections of econokic growth.

    So do you think its likely the US will remain intact in its current State or splinter based on ethnic, economic or Racial lines?

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Xi-Jinping

    This is one of my deeper assumptions on my US estimates. Federal power and massive economies of scale + internal supply chains will have to go, but we might still see a common market and currency (the Dollar), if those aren't points of political contention (I'll say local markets and competing currencies are more likely given the political divide and conflicting ideologies)

    You can just look at Central Asia or Baltics for what will be happening (Independence wiped out Latvia's locomotive industry)

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    , @Passer by
    @Xi-Jinping

    I think that there is political risk for the US and i mentioned that in the comments. I don't know if it will happen. Sometimes it all looks calm, until someone gets killed, or some attrocity happens, and then all hell breaks loose. This is how internal conflicts often start.

  • @Passer by
    @china-russia-all-the-way


    Growth rates up to 2050
     
    Various companies and institutions all over the place use real growth rates after removing inflation.

    Get some future value calculator and you will see that you need 4,75 % average growth rates for the period of 2020 - 2050 for China to reach 1,75 times bigger MER GDP by 2050, which is something that everyone, including the chinese government, admits that it is impossible.

    Variables: China 70 % of US GDP 2020
    US 100 % 2020

    US Growth rate as per most financial institutions for the 2020 - 2050 period is 1,7 (1,9 - 1,6 - 1,5 as per CBO)
    China's growth rate for that period is 3,4 (5,1-2,9-2,2) (as per World Bank)

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/tools/timevalueofmoney

    Exchange rate - most estimate no more than 20 % currency appreciation of the CNY by that point. Some estimate no CNY appreciation at all. You are far from 1,75 times bigger China GDP at that point. The only way to get there is via massive 50 % CNY appreciation and i doubt that this will happen.


    US racial demographics
     
    If there was no positive white hispanic effect i doubt that the IQ of US migrants (second gen) will be just 4 points below that of the US population, as per PISA.

    Do you think it would have a minor effect on GDP per capita?
     
    Why not? The US is already a very diverse country and yet has one of the highest GDP per capita in the world, it is one of the most innovative countries in the world per capita, as well as with higher GDP growth rates than most other western countrues. If there was a significant IQ drop due to immigration, i doubt that this would be the case. It would be seen in GDP growth rates. It would be looking more like South Africa. The US gets some very innovative, high quality migrants, see Karlin's article on it. Yes, it gets lots of third worlders too, but these effects neutralise each other so the overall IQ drop due to immigration is not that large, as PISA shows.

    How much will per capita GDP drop? It will drop for certain, but looking at what i said above


    The US is already a very diverse country and yet has one of the highest GDP per capita in the world, it is one of the most innovative countries in the world per capita, as well as with higher GDP growth rates than most other western countrues
     
    it does not look that it will be a big drop. At least right now we are not seeing anything like this.

    Assuming average migrant IQ of 94 it will take a long time IMO before US IQ drops in any meaningful sense. It will be probably 96 by 2100, compared to 98 today. Maybe 10 % lower GDP per capita due to that.


    US overtaking China again
     
    Witn Chinese TFR dropping below the quite low of 1,3 of today, - with ongoing urbanisation in China, which will further reduce TFR, it is a possible scenario. But for that to happen, China will also have to reject immigration (which is possible) while the US will also have to prefer Asian immigration (things are going in that direction).

    Replies: @silviosilver, @china-russia-all-the-way, @Xi-Jinping

    is one of the most innovative countries in the world per capita, as well as with higher GDP growth rates than most other western countrues.

    The only reason the US is “innovative per capita” than most countries is due to immigration. It does a poor job at raising local talent. As the rest of the world improves amd catches up (and Europe declines), I predict fewer people will emigrate from their countries (a reverse brain drain may even occur) and “US innovation” will greatly slow down. We are already seeing this in China, where many large Chinese tech companies are ex-Silicon Valley employees coming back to China to make their fortunes (ex Anker CEO). Currently China is undergoing a reform of its university system, I predict this will raise its Universities to a US standard (at minimum) so there will also be less motivation to go abroad, as the gov opens up more high quality universities throughout China.

  • America's ability to draw high quality human capital from abroad is one of the lynchpins of its economic strengths and probably goes some ways to explaining why it's GDP per capita is significantly higher than would might be predicted from its national IQ. Alexander Kruel recently had a Twitter thread about precisely which groups of...
  • @DNS
    @Bardon Kaldian

    A lot of those types of Youtubers seem to be quite annoyed at the fact that white worship in China has declined ever since it became more and more prosperous, hence they are now going into full Gordon Chang mode, making a nice buck from convincing people that China is just one big Potemkin village.


    Also, you seem to be getting at an old idea.

    https://i.imgur.com/xK6bPt1.png

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    The World’s 3 Leading Western Sinologists

    All Western China Watchers follow their work religiously.

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    • Replies: @Wignat is a slur
    @Blinky Bill

    It's very difficult to respect the foreign nation your wife is from

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    , @Svevlad
    @Blinky Bill

    Yeah, because the average is an idiotic imbecile.

    All their videos consist of "wah wah China is improving and that's BAD because they dislike soyadeen like myself"

  • @Yellowface Anon
    Not US and not innovation-related, but from what I hear, all kinds of people (in terms of social status and maybe intelligence) in HK are moving to England. What's interesting is the occasional downward mobility, even university graduates are filling menial jobs and McJobs (Not part time alongside studying, full time). I'm not sure if this is about structural job market changes because of COVID (that isn't well noticed in HK) or what, but this is really something intriguing.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Triteleia Laxa, @Xi-jinping

    This is more related to cargo culting of the West and lingering cultural perceptions of the UK being a colonial superpower with mainland China bein an underdeveloped backwater.

    HKers figure that moving to UK gives them greater social status than being part of the ‘unwashed mainland’ totally ignoring the fact that Shenzen is almost as rich (and nicer) than HK for example. They have quite a culture shock when they arrive to the UK though as it does not fit what they are used to and their romanticized and outdated expectations of what it is like living in the UK.

    I believe it is mostly about percieved status. Just like Russians/Ukrainians wanting to be more ‘European’ or Russian youth being more aligned with the West.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Xi-jinping

    We do have emigrant FB groups who have already settled there and views their new environment from a very rosy lens.

  • @Tor597
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I wouldn't bank on innovation bailing out white people in the rest of this decade.

    You have a lot of Asians who were stuck toiling in rice fields or factories this generation and last. These people didn't have the chance to have spare time or capital to innovate.

    I do think Western culture leads to greater openness which can spur innovation, but we are in an age where whites will likely see less freedom going forward and Asians more.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    It is impossible to predict, but whites still absolutely dominate all the fundamental breakthroughs anywhere, and Asians, especially China, are, in my opinion highly overrated:

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    • Troll: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @DNS
    @Bardon Kaldian

    A lot of those types of Youtubers seem to be quite annoyed at the fact that white worship in China has declined ever since it became more and more prosperous, hence they are now going into full Gordon Chang mode, making a nice buck from convincing people that China is just one big Potemkin village.


    Also, you seem to be getting at an old idea.

    https://i.imgur.com/xK6bPt1.png

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    , @Xi-jinping
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Dude you're quoting laowhy and serpenteza on china *facepalm*. That instantly discredits anything you say on the matter

    Replies: @silviosilver

  • @Bardon Kaldian
    @Tor597

    It is impossible to predict, but whites still absolutely dominate all the fundamental breakthroughs anywhere, and Asians, especially China, are, in my opinion highly overrated:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkBgMLwdghs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed4ryYokLzU

    Replies: @DNS, @Xi-jinping

    Dude you’re quoting laowhy and serpenteza on china *facepalm*. That instantly discredits anything you say on the matter

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Xi-jinping


    Dude you’re quoting laowhy and serpenteza on china *facepalm*. That instantly discredits anything you say on the matter
     
    Lol, what's this, hasbara with Chinese characteristics?
  • @mal
    1. Europeans have higher risk tolerance (key requirement for attempting to build a business empire).

    2. Europeans know how to sell (second key requirement for attempting to build a business empire). It used to be easier to sell if you were white, but changing demographics and markets means corporations need to go woke to connect with new customers better. Corporations go where credit rating grows. Everything is about "low monthly payment".

    As an aside, I think Operation Paperclip guys contributed more to American technological might than the rich fat cats.

    I mean, Wernher von Braun and Adolf Busemann vs Sergey Brin and Elon Musk? Maybe, if Musk actually lands on the Moon, they will balance out. On the other hand, I have difficulty imagining von Braun filling out a job application anywhere in the US today. Twitter would have a fit. So I guess we take what we can get.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    Europeans have higher risk tolerance

    Not really. I think this attitude is evident in European vs Asian approaches to life. Euros are more concerned about ‘being safe’ vs Asians. This indicates a lower risk tolerance and extends to business as well.

    As an aside, I think Operation Paperclip guys contributed more to American technological might than the rich fat cats.

    Innovation is driven more by government military projects than by individuals. This is why the claim that ‘capitalism breeds innovation’ is false.

    Lets take a few historical examples – Silicon valley was heavily funded by DARPA and other US government agencies as a way to decentralize and have many parallel research operations going. Those technologies developed for military purposes by DARPA where thereafter pushed into the commercial space and modified to make them more palatable for commercial consumption.

    Another example is NASA – the space race forced a rapid leap forward in material science and computing technologies. This material science (for example designing cloth that is resistant to high temperatures) was then used in everything from tent fabric (expensive tents are fire resistant) to phone production.

    Another example is the innovation that occurred in the USSR – it was mostly driven by national institutes (due to its position as a “Garrison State”) rather than private enterprise leading to the production of Sputnik, the first space suits or even fully automated buran rocketry or hemodynamic machines for cardiac surgery.

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/foreign-war-has-not-made-america-garrison-state-189023

    Modern China also sees most of its innovation driven by SOEs rather than private enterprise.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Xi-jinping

    Innovation is hard, so it will occur wherever the talented people are, with basic security, and a lot of ability to share information; which means having the ability to speak, think, and write freely.

    You might also argue that there needs to be a stressor, or a "need".

    Start from this point, rather than from where you clearly started, which was your wanted outcome, to which you selectively tried to make the evidence fit.

  • That's what I counselled people hoping for (or fearing) that a color revolution was imminent a few months ago: Look at the numbers. Well, since then, they have if anything plummeted further. 14% approval vs. 62% disapproval. Down from half a year ago. Furthermore, while young people are relatively more pro-Navalny (this is not surprising:...
  • @Mikhail
    @Xi-jinping

    Not so easily done as eastern and western Ukraine each have some advocating different from the general stereotype. How Ukraine is divided between east and west is another bone of contention.

    The area of Trans-Carpathia, as well as Odessa, Kharkov, Mariupol and Kiev have pro-Russian sentiment.

    On the subject under discussion, a related piece with some good follow-up comments:

    https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2021/07/14/putins-futile-effort-to-win-back-ukraine/

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

    The question we must ask is ‘why’ the educated elites have taken such a position? And also, educated people are not likely to take up arms if Russian tanks were to roll into Odessa. They will either move to Ukraine or change their view to the predominant one and say they have been Russian supporters from the outset.

    Maidan was an American op and perhaps they will turn on America if it where to weaken or if the Euro integration never occurred.

    Right now, Galician Kiev has a stranglehold on the provinces. This needs to be broken before a separation of Ukraine can occur.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Xi-jinping


    The question we must ask is ‘why’ the educated elites have taken such a position? And also, educated people are not likely to take up arms if Russian tanks were to roll into Odessa. They will either move to Ukraine or change their view to the predominant one and say they have been Russian supporters from the outset.
     
    The answer might have something to do with Western soft power aid to Ukraine perhaps being more effective than what Russia has provided, in conjunction with Russia maybe having taken Ukraine for granted.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Xi-jinping


    Right now, Galician Kiev has a stranglehold on the provinces. This needs to be broken before a separation of Ukraine can occur.
     
    Just who exactly are these "Galicians", that according to you have a stranglehold on all Ukrainian (Kyivn) politics? There are no regional parties that have a presence in the parliament, so it appears that you really don't know what you're talking about. :-(
  • @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Zelensky expressed similarly in 2014:

    https://tass.com/world/1309679

    Scratch even further, it wouldn't surprise to find pro-Ukraine in NATO enthusiast Arseniy Yatsenyuk (uncritically mentioned in Jacob Heilbrunn's recent National Interest article) expressing similarly at one point.

    Some related and balanced perspectives:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-break-cultural-gridlock-ukraine-189505

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/skeptics/why-west-should-think-twice-testing-russia-over-crimea-189332

    Much better than this one from Heilbrunn:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-putin-upping-ante-ukraine-189718

    In order to have a broad based image that’s establishment accepted, The National Interest has to offset what it recently posted from Petro, Carpenter and a JHU student.

    This excerpt from Heilbrunn is a doozy:


    "Putin’s own stance now appears to be hardening. His interest in compromise with the West, never all that great in recent years, now appears about as low as the water level at the Hoover Dam. Putin may be at a crossroads. If he acts upon the precepts he enunciates in his essay, it could transform the East-West confrontation into something much nastier and more foreboding."
     
    Should Putin risk allowing an Operation Strom like action taken against the Donbass rebels? Doing so increases the likelihood of a refugee problem for Russia, along with the Russian government disappointing pro-Russian sentiment among a good portion of the Ukrainian population.

    Should Putin okay the return of Crimea going back to Ukraine (something that a clear majority in Crimea don't support)? Yes, the Kosovo and northern Cyprus situations continue to be valid whataboutism talking points.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Xi-jinping

    Should Putin risk allowing an Operation Strom like action taken against the Donbass rebels? Doing so increases the likelihood of a refugee problem for Russia, along with the Russian government disappointing pro-Russian sentiment among a good portion of the Ukrainian population.

    I have been convinced since back in 2014 that Putin’s best and only option is to split Ukraine into East Ukraine and West Ukraine (ruled by Galicia and its ‘Ukrainian identity’). I stand by this view to this day. I was an ardent supporter of Putin until he disappointed by not proceeding with a conquest of Kharkov, Chersoneses and Odessa (given that people where ready and willing to revolt at the time). It would have likely triggered NATO to enter West Ukraine, but West Ukraine was a loss anyway and would have triggered sanctions (but Russia got sanctioned anyway).

    The national interest says Putin’s position may be ‘hardening’ but I highly doubt he will do anything, if he didn’t do it when the situation was more in his favor. This is disappointing.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Xi-jinping

    Not so easily done as eastern and western Ukraine each have some advocating different from the general stereotype. How Ukraine is divided between east and west is another bone of contention.

    The area of Trans-Carpathia, as well as Odessa, Kharkov, Mariupol and Kiev have pro-Russian sentiment.

    On the subject under discussion, a related piece with some good follow-up comments:

    https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2021/07/14/putins-futile-effort-to-win-back-ukraine/

    Replies: @Xi-jinping

  • @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Well, Zelensky is not only a politician (they're all prone to a lot of contradictory and wishy washy positions) but also a human being whose opinions tend to evolve and change over time. Here's his opinion today regarding fellow politician and historian Putin's recent essay (translation mine):


    We are definitely not one nation. If we were one nation, then in Moscow there would sooner be gryvnias circulating and atop the parliament building, a yellow and blue flag. Therefore, we're definitely not one nation Everybody has their own pathway.

     

    Replies: @AnonFromTN, @Mikhail, @Xi-jinping, @kzn

    You do realize that that’s not his ‘opinion’? Rather its him acting for his constituents. Zelensky has been pro-Russian and barely speaks Ukrainian.

    His true opinion is the one he gave multiple times when he said Russia and Ukraine are the same nation. And the fact that he acted in Russian film industry for years (including after 2014) also indicates his true position.

    He’s simply a cynic and observes the way the political winds in Ukraine fly – since the Rada is controlled by West Ukraine (with its corresponding weird nationalist position) he simply parrots their position. Once that changes, don’t be surprised his ‘opinion evolves’ to be more pro-Russian.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Xi-jinping


    And the fact that he acted in Russian film industry for years (including after 2014) also indicates his true position.
     
    Looks like you never bothered to find out that Zelensky's biggest role was when he played a fictitious Ukrainian president in a television series. He must have believed in the identity of a Ukrainian president and therefore in Ukraine..

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

  • @Bashibuzuk
    @Bashibuzuk

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-10-13-fi-247-story.html

    (In Russian)

    https://statehistory.ru/17/Kak-nachinalsya-internet--v-SSSR/

    Klyosov is of course a bit narcissistic as usual. In fact, he was not the only one and probably not the first to connect to the network in USSR. The fact he thinks otherwise is amusing...

    🙂

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    The sad thing is, the Soviets had a working prototype of the internet working before the Americans. But US disinformation campaign convinced them it wasnt worth pursuing further. Otherwise the USSR GOSPLAN would have transitioned to a computerized system in the 60s.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Xi-Jinping

    As did the British and the French. As in so much else, the US brought standardisation, not invention, to the table. Hence the need for the EU.

  • @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Yes, I also read about Dyumin a couple of times. About Putin going for a re-election, he's getting too old. It's time for him to bring in someone younger and more energetic. Dyumin would be perfect and he has been perfectly loyal to Putin since the early days.


    it’s funny that you seem to think I have some kind of agenda desperately trying to curry favor with the Kremlins for the chance to write at their world-leading journalistic establishments which set global opinion. (/s)
     
    Well, as I wrote above: с волками жить - по волчьи выть. But I didn't write anything about you being desperate. It's good to know that you have higher ambitions than being one of Simonyan minions. IMHO working on RT is similar to working on Radio Yerevan / Армянское радио (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Yerevan_jokes) .

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Xi-jinping

    It’s time for him to bring in someone younger and more energetic.

    Thats what they said in the USSR about Gorbachev, who then proceeded to dismantle/destroy the country.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Xi-jinping

    It's a bit more complicated. As you are certainly aware, Soviet Nomenklatura was already corrupt and divided accross ideological, ethnic and regional lines. That allowed for external infiltration of the Soviet system prior to Gorbachev coming to power. We should also remember that the Nomenklatura was not able to ensure a direct status and power transfer to their offspring (мальчики мажоры) because Soviet system lacked the mechanism of acquiring, keeping and transferring private property.

    Gorbachev was not initially the favorite candidate, Romanov was. Arguably, USSR wouldn't have collapsed on Romanov's watch. But Romanov was sidelined and Gorbachev pushed forward by the Nomenklatura and Razvedka types aligned with the Globalist network through the Vienna International Institute for Applied System Analysis (https://iiasa.ac.at/), which was the communication platform between the Soviet and Western Global Deep States.

    People such as Alexander Yakovlev, in honor of whom the brother of the Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was named Sasha, were busy plotting the dismantling of the Soviet system since at least early 1970s. And Yakovlev was not alone. There were people embedded in the KGB and SVR preparing for the same thing. These people simply carried the plan forward. They arguably did not expect the complete collapse and aimed only on a thorough reform of Soviet Union along Social Democrat convergence lines. But then Yeltsin moved forward aggressively with (according to Rutskoy) Western support and that was it.

    So the real questions to be asked today is whether RusFed today is ripe for a similar "evolution " and whether RusFed elites are ready to jeopardize their immense wealth and their newly acquired "aristocracy" status by dismantling the RusFed. What more could they gain, they already have access to wealth and status that they are actively transferring to their descendants. Logically they should keep the system as stable as possible, that's exactly what they are trying to do and that is why they don't let Putin retire and age peacefully. They just need a consensus figure to replace him. Perhaps they have trouble to agree about whom it should be.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Not Raul

  • @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I believe whole-heartedly that you are well aware of what exactly happened in 1996. You are usually very well informed. I also agree that outright fraud on the election day probably did not play a decisive role in Yeltsin's victory.

    The whole process itself was completely skewed against Uncle Zu, just like it was skewed against Trump last year (although in US there was a massive electronic voting fraud). The total support by oligarchs, outspoken threatening with civil war if Uncle Zu wins, 24/7 MSM чернуха, unlimited spending (external debt increased by 4 billion US $ and internal debt by 16 billion IIRC although I am citing from memory and am perhaps mistaken) and most importantly the alignment of General Lebed' with Bor'ka Alkash ensured that Yeltsin came on top at the end.

    On a personal note, that was the summer when my parents definitely made the choice of leaving Russia and emigrating. As I wrote a couple of times I started the whole emigration process in 1993, it took us 4 years to finalize the whole thing. We voted for Lebed' (no surprise) and when he joined Yeltsin and later made a fool of himself in Ichkeria, we were completely black pilled. I remember a saying at the time: "Лебедь стал раком". Well, he paid the price.

    Yeltsin in 1991 and Bor'ka Alkash in 1996 were two very different presidential candidates. The transformation was extreme and to some extent metaphysical. Yeltsin degraded and degenerated in real time. Again a saying of that time: "Россией правит труп". Possibly the result of 1993, a form of Karmic retribution perhaps. Although the roots of future transformation of Yeltsin into a low life zombie might have been well present in 1991 already, but we did not know what was going on in his circle at the time. See Rutskoy for details:

    https://lenta.ru/articles/2021/06/11/rutskoy/

    We were extremely naive back then, we hoped for the best: Миру мир! Наш дом Европа! One should never be too optimistic in RusFed, although extreme pessimism is also unwarranted. The majority manages to survive and a minority even to thrive. It is not Mordor, but it could be better.

    So going back to Navalny, who can you envision as potential heir to Putin?

    Is there anyone you think is preparing to step in when the time is right?

    That is if you feel comfortable sharing your thoughts about it. If not- never mind: поживём увидим...

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Xi-jinping

    The whole process itself was completely skewed against Uncle Zu, just like it was skewed against Trump last year (although in US there was a massive electronic voting fraud). The total support by oligarchs, outspoken threatening with civil war if Uncle Zu wins, 24/7 MSM чернуха, unlimited spending (external debt increased by 4 billion US $ and internal debt by 16 billion IIRC although I am citing from memory and am perhaps mistaken) and most importantly the alignment of General Lebed’ with Bor’ka Alkash ensured that Yeltsin came on top at the end.

    The whole process was an OP that Americans pulled against Russians, the same way they’ve been doing it throughout all of Europe since the 1940’s. They didn’t always stuff ballot boxes – but by the 1990’s, the USA had perfected the art of electoral manipulation. It all started in the 1940’s, when the USA manipulated the Italian electorate to not elect the popular Communist party at the time.

    “We had bags of money that we delivered to selected politicians, to defray their political expenses, their campaign expenses, for posters, for pamphlets,” according to CIA operative F. Mark Wyatt.[4] In order to influence the election, the U.S. agencies undertook a campaign of writing ten million letters, made numerous short-wave radio broadcasts and funded the publishing of books and articles, all of which warned the Italians of what was believed to be the consequences of a communist victory. Time magazine backed the campaign, featuring the Christian Democracy leader and Prime Minister Alcide De Gasperi on its cover and in its lead story on 19 April 1948.[5]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Italy

    If you read the Clinton archives that I posted, you’d see the Americans doing exactly the same thing for Yeltsin.

    Which is exactly the point I’m making – Karlin is fixated on the polls, but just because the polls indicate that they weren’t stuffed doesn’t mean that the elections weren’t manipulated in other ways.

    Basically, supporting Yeltsin, is supporting an American puppet and the supporting of oligarchs and the destruction of Russia as a sovereign nation

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Look, believe it or not, none of this stuff is new to me. I'm of course aware that the media was tilted against Zyuganov in 1996 - the newly-minted oligarchs who controlled it didn't want commies coming to power and divesting them of their loot (though nor did the journalists themselves want to go back to working for Pravda and Izvestia). And yes, American advisors helped with PR, I have pointed that out myself in the context of Russiagate.

    My claim is much narrower - that the 14% point victory of Yeltsin in the second round cannot be plausibly attributed to fraud (and not just because of the pre-elections polls and exit polls from multiple different polling organizations, though they're huge and sufficient evidence by themselves, but because forensic analysis of the results simply doesn't show fraud outside a few republics like Tatarstan, in a way that routinely happens in Russian elections since the mid-2000s). Not that it was necessarily a "fair" election.

    Would Zyuganov have won if the media was more balanced? Perhaps, maybe likely. Then again, Yeltsin had won resoundingly in 1991 despite media coverage him being against him. Communist whine and cope about the sanctity of the electoral process is somewhat undermined by them not having a single remotely free or fair election between 1917 and 1990.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Xi-jinping

    My claim is much narrower – that the 14% point victory of Yeltsin in the second round cannot be plausibly attributed to fraud

    My claim is that without American help, Yeltsin would never have won the presidency. Frauding or not, it is an undeniable fact that Clinton played a decisive role in Yeltsin winning the Presidency.

    though nor did the journalists themselves want to go back to working for Pravda and Izvestia).

    The journalists didn’t care who to work for (they never do) – they care more about who pays them. This time it happened to be the oligarchs + americans

    (and not just because of the pre-elections polls

    If you are all about facts, you would have noticed the correlation between the polls turning to Yeltsin’s favor in May, soon after Yeltsin asked Clinton for help.

    Communist whine and cope about the sanctity of the electoral process

    Its not Communist “whine and cope about the electoral process” (elections are fake and gay in general), its pointing out that widespread foreign interference in the elections is what helped a favored candidate win.

    The point i’m making is that the Americans didn’t need to stuff the ballot boxes (though an argument can be made that was the case as well) or fraud the election process itself – they simply had to manipulate the elections in favor of their preferred candidate. This is something the Americans have been doing since the 1940s and they started doing to try to prevent Italy from going Communist (which it almost did)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Italy

    So basically we can say that the US pulled an OP as it did in almost all of Europe to prevent popular Communist parties getting elected.

    If you are “all about facts”, you would not have ignored these historical facts. Rather you present “statistics” but ignore the context of them – which prevents it from being factual and becomes propaganda.

  • @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Are French elections fraudulent and illegitimate in your world?
     
    They are skewed and unfair, although technically legitimate. But Yeltsin's and Biden's elections were at a completely superior level of manipulation.

    Read the link that I have provided about the election and the media manipulation in 1996. I mean, this was not a fair and legitimate electoral process.

    I post it again because it is a good read (in Russian) :

    http://www.yeltsinmedia.com/articles/1996-elections-1/

    Also Gleb Pavlovskyi had this to say (in Russian):

    https://news.rambler.ru/community/45945362-raskryt-sekret-pobedy-eltsina-v-1996-godu/

    https://lenta.ru/articles/2021/03/05/pavlovsky/

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @Anatoly Karlin

    It seems that Karlin doesn’t read anything that doesn’t support his narrative or preconceived idea of how things should be, hence he has a pretty ‘mainstream’ view of things as a ‘reactionary dissident’. I’ve seen some of his reddit exchanges that when people post something turning what he wrote on his head – he’ll respond in short statements then entirely disappear.

    I suspect that he gets paid to post a certain narrative, and as the saying goes “a man who gets his livelihood from believing something is not inclined to change his opinion”. I may be wrong though and I hope I am.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Xi-jinping

    There's a Russian saying: "с волками жить - по волчьи выть " (if one lives with the wolves, one has to howl like they do). Anatoly lives in RusFed and as Lenin astutely noted - "existence defines consciousness". At least it does in most people,

    Anatoly is an original thinker and a very intelligent man, but in today's Moscow one has to leben vor dem philosophieren. As I wrote in one of my replies to Mr Hack above, becoming cynical is the most adaptive strategy in today's RusFed. Just apply pragmatic situation ethics and get to know the right people and one would be successful in Moscow if one had Anatoly's intelligence, broad culture and creativity.

    I am certain that a bright future awaits Anatoly if he stays on this track. He might end up presenting the latest crypto developments on RT or writing about science and technology on RIA Novosti, perhaps even collaborating with Эксперт (which is a really great publication).

    So much potential opportunities...

    🙂

    Replies: @Not Raul

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Not Raul


    ... and that polls were pretty close
     
    I mean, I literally cited polls showing a consistent 10-15% advantage to Yeltsin over Zyuganov in the month before the second round of the 1996 elections.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_1996_Russian_presidential_election#Second_round

    I am open to evidence that these polls were fake or made up, if any such be forthcoming.

    However:

    If you trust these polls I have a couple of bridges to sell you in Piter, but then you also believe that Biden won fair and square, so I can also sell you a couple of bridges in NY.
     
    Citing another conspiracy theory in support of a conspiracy theory doesn't quite cut it IMO.



    PS. 1996 was not 2016, or even 2006. Approval of the US was ~70%. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/when-russians-were-americanophiles/ Just to put things into perspective.

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/poll-levada-russia-usa-approval.jpg

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Xi-jinping

    The polls demonstrate that Zyuganov was consistently winning until May on polling during the runoffs. Suddenly, May hits and Yeltsin starts winning? Suspicious. If you actually bothered to read the Clinton archives I posted, May was when Yeltsin started getting help from Clinton and then we suddenly saw a heavy turnaround in Yeltsin’s favor. Is it a coincidence or maybe its not….hmmm

    This heavily implies that IMF investment/American voting did play a significant role in skewing the results of the votes to Yeltsin’s favor. Thanks for proving my point.

  • Bashibuzuk says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Yes, I prefer to operate in the world of facts and statistics, not a make-belief world of whatever ideology.

    The gap between Yeltsin and Zyuganov was 14%. You would be hard pressed to close such a gap even with the degree of electoral fraud seen in 2010s Russia, let alone back then, when it was still delimited to some of the ethnic minority republics.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @Xi-jinping, @Bashibuzuk

    You know how much Yeltsin approval polled in early 1996 ? A freaking 7 %…

    And how much his political party got in the Duma elections ? A huuuuge 10 %, despite being the party of the acting president…

    If you believe that Russian people were so freaking dumb that they completely changed their mind about Bor’ka Alkash in a half year period, just because Chubais hired a half dozen American political spin doctors, then you are a complete Russophobe…

    Massive manipulation, total oligarchic support, full MSM backing, an outspoken menace of a future civil war and outright fraud were required to bring this alcoholic zombie back to power.

    The media aspect of the whole affair was paramount:

    http://www.yeltsinmedia.com/articles/1996-elections-1/

    Even Коммерсантъ admits that Yeltsin’s victory was dubious at best:

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3029908

    But now I understand better how you could write that Biden won fair and square. If you accept Yeltsin’s 1996 victory as legitimate, then anything goes.

    • Agree: Xi-Jinping, AnonfromTN
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    = Argument from incredulity.

    Russians didn't like Yeltsin by then, but they liked Zyuganov even less. They showed their dislike of Yeltsin by punishing his party at the polls, while voting for him over Zyuganov as the less bad option (in their opinion).

    In France, politicians with ~20-25% approval ratings often win the Presidency, because 60% of Frenchmen band together against the nationalist bogeyman come the second round. Are French elections fraudulent and illegitimate in your world?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Pericles
    @Bashibuzuk

    Biden as the american Yeltsin kind of fits.

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Xi-jinping

    Statements of fact (that Yeltsin won in 1996, and would have won in the absence of electoral fraud) are not endorsements.

    Now get lost, your idiotic gnat.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @Xi-jinping, @Not Raul

    Even Yeltsin says he wouldn’t have won without Lebed’s votes being added to his:

    View post on imgur.com

    https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/57569

    (Page 40)

    That’s also a comment that was made by someone in the blog you posted.

    Just admit it, you’re wrong.

  • @Xi-jinping
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In fact if you're a "Russian nationalist" as you claim, you'd support Zyuganov over Yeltsin. Here's a direct quote from Yeltsin to Clinton (from Clinton archives):

    https://imgur.com/a/imZTXWO

    https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/57569

    If anything, Yeltsin was anti-Russian whilst the CPRF supported the exact policies you claim to support (taking back Crimea, claiming Alaska, putting Russia as the dominant power of Eurasia by turning the surrounding territories into a part of its Empire, being pro-Orthodoxy, supporting small business from being gobbled up by large business tycoons, etc)

    Even logically speaking your argument regarding support for Yeltsin makes no sense, people did vote to preserve the Union in 1991 referendum after all. Why then would they support Yeltsin who broke it?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Statements of fact (that Yeltsin won in 1996, and would have won in the absence of electoral fraud) are not endorsements.

    Now get lost, your idiotic gnat.

    • Troll: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Statements of fact
     
    Its not fact when even Clinton admits Yeltsin was in the single digits in polls though.

    And your argument is literally based on the opinion of one guy, who unironically basis his entire argument on (likely) fraudulent statistics. And you present that as fact *facepalm* vs the actual fucking Russian president (Medvedev) saying that Zyuganov won the election.

    Medvedev > random Karlin approved blogger on the matter.

    Like go read what I posted. The US had to run a fradulent campaign for Yeltsin because he would have lost otherwise. Why else would Yeltsin have to ask the US for help then? Makes no sense.

    So nice try. Do better research next time.

    Like how stupid do you have to be to take the word of some blogger over that of an ex-Russian president *faceplam*. I think you're taking you're "dissdent" rhetoric a bit too far here.

    Either find better sources (and I'll happily retract my statements) or get over the fact that you're wrong.

    , @Xi-jinping
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Even Yeltsin says he wouldn't have won without Lebed's votes being added to his:

    https://imgur.com/a/MnAnyB3

    https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/57569

    (Page 40)

    That's also a comment that was made by someone in the blog you posted.

    Just admit it, you're wrong.

    , @Not Raul
    @Anatoly Karlin

    AK,

    It’s my understanding that there was a massive amount of fraud in 1996, and that polls were pretty close, so fraud could have been a critical factor.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Xi-jinping

    Statements of fact (that Yeltsin won in 1996, and would have won in the absence of electoral fraud) are not endorsements.

    Now get lost, your idiotic gnat.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @Xi-jinping, @Not Raul

    Statements of fact

    Its not fact when even Clinton admits Yeltsin was in the single digits in polls though.

    And your argument is literally based on the opinion of one guy, who unironically basis his entire argument on (likely) fraudulent statistics. And you present that as fact *facepalm* vs the actual fucking Russian president (Medvedev) saying that Zyuganov won the election.

    Medvedev > random Karlin approved blogger on the matter.

    Like go read what I posted. The US had to run a fradulent campaign for Yeltsin because he would have lost otherwise. Why else would Yeltsin have to ask the US for help then? Makes no sense.

    So nice try. Do better research next time.

    Like how stupid do you have to be to take the word of some blogger over that of an ex-Russian president *faceplam*. I think you’re taking you’re “dissdent” rhetoric a bit too far here.

    Either find better sources (and I’ll happily retract my statements) or get over the fact that you’re wrong.

  • @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    If you trust these polls I have a couple of bridges to sell you in Piter, but then you also believe that Biden won fair and square, so I can also sell you a couple of bridges in NY.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Anatoly Karlin

    Yes, I prefer to operate in the world of facts and statistics, not a make-belief world of whatever ideology.

    The gap between Yeltsin and Zyuganov was 14%. You would be hard pressed to close such a gap even with the degree of electoral fraud seen in 2010s Russia, let alone back then, when it was still delimited to some of the ethnic minority republics.

    • Troll: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Yes, I prefer to operate in the world of facts and statistics
     
    If thats so, then why do you ignore the fact that Medvedev even said that Zuganov won back then:

    http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2107565,00.html

    " Medvedev reportedly offered another take on the official story. According to four people who were in the room, Medvedev stated, like a bolt from the blue, that Russia's first President did not actually win re-election in 1996 for his second term. The second presidential vote in Russia's history, in other words, was rigged."
     

    Or that Clinton admitted to helping Yeltsin win the election:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/06/26/russian-election-interference-meddling/

    Either your 'statistics' are wrong or you are trying to peddle a particular narrative. Your entire argument is based on a blog post written by some random guy that unironically quotes official statistics without actually referencing them (as if they can be believed)

    And this is me using 'official' US sources, that people here seem to like. The US has no reason to peddle an 'anti-Yeltsin' narrative, so you can't just blame it on the 'delusions of a commie' or 'sovok sources' (when facts go against your narrative) or whatever.

    , @Xi-jinping
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In fact if you're a "Russian nationalist" as you claim, you'd support Zyuganov over Yeltsin. Here's a direct quote from Yeltsin to Clinton (from Clinton archives):

    https://imgur.com/a/imZTXWO

    https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/57569

    If anything, Yeltsin was anti-Russian whilst the CPRF supported the exact policies you claim to support (taking back Crimea, claiming Alaska, putting Russia as the dominant power of Eurasia by turning the surrounding territories into a part of its Empire, being pro-Orthodoxy, supporting small business from being gobbled up by large business tycoons, etc)

    Even logically speaking your argument regarding support for Yeltsin makes no sense, people did vote to preserve the Union in 1991 referendum after all. Why then would they support Yeltsin who broke it?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You know how much Yeltsin approval polled in early 1996 ? A freaking 7 %...

    And how much his political party got in the Duma elections ? A huuuuge 10 %, despite being the party of the acting president...

    If you believe that Russian people were so freaking dumb that they completely changed their mind about Bor'ka Alkash in a half year period, just because Chubais hired a half dozen American political spin doctors, then you are a complete Russophobe...

    Massive manipulation, total oligarchic support, full MSM backing, an outspoken menace of a future civil war and outright fraud were required to bring this alcoholic zombie back to power.

    The media aspect of the whole affair was paramount:

    http://www.yeltsinmedia.com/articles/1996-elections-1/

    Even Коммерсантъ admits that Yeltsin's victory was dubious at best:

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3029908

    But now I understand better how you could write that Biden won fair and square. If you accept Yeltsin's 1996 victory as legitimate, then anything goes.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Pericles

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Yes, I prefer to operate in the world of facts and statistics, not a make-belief world of whatever ideology.

    The gap between Yeltsin and Zyuganov was 14%. You would be hard pressed to close such a gap even with the degree of electoral fraud seen in 2010s Russia, let alone back then, when it was still delimited to some of the ethnic minority republics.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @Xi-jinping, @Bashibuzuk

    In fact if you’re a “Russian nationalist” as you claim, you’d support Zyuganov over Yeltsin. Here’s a direct quote from Yeltsin to Clinton (from Clinton archives):

    View post on imgur.com

    https://clinton.presidentiallibraries.us/items/show/57569

    If anything, Yeltsin was anti-Russian whilst the CPRF supported the exact policies you claim to support (taking back Crimea, claiming Alaska, putting Russia as the dominant power of Eurasia by turning the surrounding territories into a part of its Empire, being pro-Orthodoxy, supporting small business from being gobbled up by large business tycoons, etc)

    Even logically speaking your argument regarding support for Yeltsin makes no sense, people did vote to preserve the Union in 1991 referendum after all. Why then would they support Yeltsin who broke it?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Xi-jinping

    Statements of fact (that Yeltsin won in 1996, and would have won in the absence of electoral fraud) are not endorsements.

    Now get lost, your idiotic gnat.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @Xi-jinping, @Not Raul

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Yes, I prefer to operate in the world of facts and statistics, not a make-belief world of whatever ideology.

    The gap between Yeltsin and Zyuganov was 14%. You would be hard pressed to close such a gap even with the degree of electoral fraud seen in 2010s Russia, let alone back then, when it was still delimited to some of the ethnic minority republics.

    Replies: @Xi-jinping, @Xi-jinping, @Bashibuzuk

    Yes, I prefer to operate in the world of facts and statistics

    If thats so, then why do you ignore the fact that Medvedev even said that Zuganov won back then:

    http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2107565,00.html

    ” Medvedev reportedly offered another take on the official story. According to four people who were in the room, Medvedev stated, like a bolt from the blue, that Russia’s first President did not actually win re-election in 1996 for his second term. The second presidential vote in Russia’s history, in other words, was rigged.”

    Or that Clinton admitted to helping Yeltsin win the election:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/06/26/russian-election-interference-meddling/

    Either your ‘statistics’ are wrong or you are trying to peddle a particular narrative. Your entire argument is based on a blog post written by some random guy that unironically quotes official statistics without actually referencing them (as if they can be believed)

    And this is me using ‘official’ US sources, that people here seem to like. The US has no reason to peddle an ‘anti-Yeltsin’ narrative, so you can’t just blame it on the ‘delusions of a commie’ or ‘sovok sources’ (when facts go against your narrative) or whatever.

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    A badly integrated immigrant from eastern europe somewhere in Germany. Revolutionary Anarchist 🏴. Tweets in english, russian and sometimes german.
     
    ***

    Zuganov won the popular vote but the election was rigged and stolen from him.
     
    It's a useful myth to be wheeled out against the West on occasion. But it's factually wrong. https://kireev.livejournal.com/660975.html

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Xi-jinping

  • @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk


    Но на низовой уровень постоянно транслируется «Денег нет!», «Русским денег не надо!» и т.п. айнрэнд. СМС-ками собирают копейки на больных детей на фоне такого безумно огромного денежного навеса у правящего класса.
     
    Is Pryannikov some sort of Russian SJW? Or worse yet, some kind of holdover from the commie past?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Xi-jinping

    Or worse yet, some kind of holdover from the commie past?

    As I have demonstrated on this blog numerous times – Russia’s commie past is far more superior than its current non-commie present. So I really don’t see what you’re getting at.

    In a commie Russia SJWs would be an impossibility and family values were far more promoted (family values = union between one man and one woman) and one could trust that the censors would get rid of any material that wasn’t good for people (eg Black Flag was a show ostensibly about pirates but they shoehorned an entire gay subplot to it – this would have been eliminated by commie Censors).

    Also, you’re a west Ukrainian living in the US so its not surprising you’d say that.

  • I wrote about Woke Capital making inroads into Russia after Netherlands HQ'ed Yandex.Taxi fired a driver who refused service to a rude Black foreign student last year. However, not all such corporate attempts to signal fealty to progressive values are paying off. Vkusvill is a nice chain of grocery stores that are somewhere in between...
  • @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    but I don’t think they perceive wokeness as the geopolitical cancer and powerful strategic threat
     
    Just a thought: China and Russia see wokeness as a cancer that is terminal for the US. Therefore, they see their interest in not trying to counteract it on the American soil (basically, when you see you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere). They don’t see it as a geopolitical threat to them for the simple reason that their countries are relatively unaffected by this malaise.

    Replies: @songbird, @Xi-jinping

    Your assumption is that the RF has a coherent geopolitical policy. I’d agree with you if it was more authoritarian. But with Duma members squirrelling money away to the West and buying up beach properties in Miami, its hard to imagine they would oppose anything US given that it would hurt them first and foremost.

    This is strongely echoing the situation we found at the turn of the 19th century in Tsarist Russia when most of the Tsarist Duma was paid for by foreign powers and was no longer supporting Russian interests.

  • Kneeling before Anglo ambassadors seems to be becoming something of a Ukrainian military tradition. Ukrainian army officer kneeling before the British ambassador to Ukraine Melinda Simmons. Traditionally, it was the recipient of a honorary sword for acts of valor who knelt. The only exceptions were when defeated parties knelt and presented their weapons to the...
  • @Bashibuzuk
    @AltanBakshi

    I only wrote about DICh and Tuvans. I have never met Tuvans in person, but I believe they are probably not as crazy as some stories filtering from Tuva would suggest (ultraviolence, anti-Russian racism, rampant criminality). The DICh people I know enough to understand that they despise ethnic Russian weakness, but do not hate Slavs on a racially motivated or religiously motivated basis. Paradoxically, they would probably have wished for ethnic Russians to stand their ground, even be a role model of development perhaps. Russians used to be that way, but it was before Sovok and post-Sovok degraded their moral core.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Xi-jinping

    Everyone knows that in criminatity and violence Tuvans surpass DICh – which is why claims of Asians being oppressed or seen as ‘unmasculine’ in the West is surprising to me. The Asian men I know could probably tear the head off of a chechen.

    And your assertion that it was ‘sovok culture’ that ruined Russian moral core causing them to be cucked by DICh and others is false – Soviet military culture was about creating toughness (as it was in sport – which is why when the old Soviet era coaches retired, Russian sport fell into the shitter). I’d argue that it was Tsarist era romantic poetry and writing and later post-Soviet capitalist corruption that led to this state of affairs. While Soviet trained, tough Chechen/Ingush veterans were concerned about fighting, Russian commanders where more interested in making money and thus put discipline/training of a new corps to the wayside in favor of $$$.

  • @Bashibuzuk
    @Marcus

    Yeah, this is something I was also going to mention.

    https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2010-10/1288415153_3f4280d5c2b5.jpg

    https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-zen_doc/1389531/pub_5d078fb954904b0d650964ab_5d07a9389365810e2b3ca8cd/scale_1200

    https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-zen_doc/1645803/pub_5d078fb954904b0d650964ab_5d0794d394ca190e965048f6/scale_1200

    And it is not only a privilege of the DICh dzhigits to put the Russaky down, Tuva guys also are into it. After all, the half Jewish / half Tuvin Shoigu is here to protect them.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/informnapalm.org/103-tyva-rulyt-yly-kavkaztsezamenytely-v/amp/

    Another thing we might thank Putin for...

    https://www.osnmedia.ru/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/kadyro-794x523.png

    Replies: @Marcus, @AltanBakshi, @Xi-jinping

    Which is part of the reason why I am against Russian Fed. Just demonstrates further incompetence of capitalist gov.

  • @Bashibuzuk
    @Mr. Hack

    Please see my comment # 57. I did nowhere imply that Ukrainian women are any worse than their Russian counterparts. But the economic and social situation in Ukraine is worse, which makes the plight of these women more difficult. Many Russian women (including some of my childhood female acquaintances) were in a similar situation in the 90ies, some are to this very day. It is unfortunate that in their narrow-minded and aggressive attitude RusFed and Svido Ukraine have started killing each other instead of working together to improve the lives of their native populations, women and children included. If true Slav nationalist organizations were in charge of the Russian- Ukrainian dialog and cooperation, things would have evolved otherwise. Of course, the enemies of the Slav are well aware of it and did their possible to prevent such an outcome.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Xi-jinping

    And yet you married a non-slav women….

    The problem is twofold 1) slav women consider foreign men superior to their own (and women go for social status) 2) insufficient beatings from men. If public beatings where reintroduced – alot of feminism, fertility issues, whoredom, etc would be solved.

  • Now from the onset, I want to make a few things clear that I made in my last major Ukraine sitrep from 2018: Ukraine hasn't collapsed (desires of more deluded pro-Russians aside) nor has it come closer to it. While Ukraine's economy remains in the gutter, ahead only of Moldova in Europe, it is the...
  • Am I banned lol? My messages aren’t appearing on threads

  • @Mr. Hack
    @Concerned Citizen

    If you add in the declining economic growth of most large economies in the world today, Ukraine actually seems to be holding its own, if not slowly improving. Serious talk of Ukraine's economy overcoming Belarus is something you wouldn't even hear just a few short years back. I'm waiting to read AP's resounder that will help put things here more into balance.

    Replies: @zn, @Xi-jinping

    If you add in the declining economic growth of most large economies in the world today,

    What economies are those? North American and European certainly. Definitely not Asian ones. Vietnam is going to be the next South Korea in terms of growth, China grew a whopping 8% this year. Neither Japan nor South Korea are doing terribly. Compared to even Vietnam, Ukraine is doing terribly lol

  • @Air Accident
    I don't agree. I suppose we all guess a brutal financial tsunami is going to happen, sooner than later. When it happens, real production (tangible things) will be what matters, not Artificial Stupidity which, in fact, needs electronic hardware that someone have to make. The world is plenty of giants with a feet of clay. That's the reason the world is fast coagulating in economic blocks, ones with more success than others, apart from China which in fact is trying to put a feet in all of them. The US for instance (like the EU) is being evacuated from many of these, e.g. Africa (displaced by China, and not only). On the other hands, Western banks are in the verge of complete collapse, and they are going to finish the same as the once all-powerful steelmaker companies (a lot of them in Europe merely 50 years ago, now only one), I mean, there will be 1-2 megabanks in the Eurozone if it is not the case they were purchased by China. About the US, maybe there will be 1 or zero, depending of what is going to happen the USD.

    Joke countries like Ukraine simply will cease to exist. Nobody pays for eccentricities in the midst of a shipwreck. The clown, I mean Zelensky, gave an interview to the FAZ basically demanding more money and insulting Merkel and Macron (it will be funny to see what happens if the Greens finally aren't needed at all). France is not going to pay when they are being expelled from its colonies in Africa, a critical matter. Germany will follow, and they won't forget all this picaresque war about the NS2. Ukraine is a house of cards, whatever the reason the US stops to support it, it will collapse. I don't think they are in a very good position.

    This kind of situations, by the way, was pretty normal in the 1890-1900s. It is supposed WWI changed it (indeed it did). Many people are saying a lot of nonsenses about the desintegration of the US, such a thing won't happen, like the Russian Empire, they will look for a new ideological building to remain united and avoiding being disintegrated, we know this phenomena, we call them Revolutions but in fact are air accidents.

    Replies: @showmethereal, @Xi-jinping

    Many people are saying a lot of nonsenses about the desintegration of the US

    The disintegration of the US is built into its political system – if Federal power weakens, as does the strength of the USD and consequently the Army – if I was the governor of a US State why would I not try to become the sole ruler of my little fiefdom (a State) rather than being beholden to a central government? This is exactly why the USSR collapsed – a cost/benefit analysis followed the old maxim of Julius Ceasar “It is better to be an emperor in a village than second place in an Empire”. US states are in many ways semi-autonomous already, so the logical progression would be the complete seperation of US states from the Fed – with corresponding nationalist propaganda. Suddenly various States will discover they have significant differences with their neighbors that will cause them to seperate. Kind of like Soviet republics suddenly remembered their ‘identity’ seperate from the Russian one, when Soviet central power weakened.

  • @UNIT472
    One wonders what reasonably large economy has done well in the last 7 years? I guess I'm with Gail Tverberg.

    https://ourfiniteworld.com/

    The global economy has entered into a slow decay which we can't get out of because of resource constraints. We get by only by lowering interest rates and increasing debt but that will run out of room soon too.

    Increasing automation ( technology) seems to lead to lower wages/ higher unemployment/greater inequality. It is the industrial revolution in reverse. Instead of kicking surplus agricultural workers off the land and into factories. we have a surplus industrial workforce and no place to kick them too.

    Replies: @Max Payne, @Daniel Chieh, @Xi-jinping

    One wonders what reasonably large economy has done well in the last 7 years?

    China – its maintained an economic growth rate of 6-8% per year. Also had an 8% growth rate last year.

    But its not gay and democratic – so that helps grow its economy.

  • Transhumanism, at its most basic level, is about extending human capabilities through technology. In a sense, it has always been with us since at least the invention of fire. As David Landes notes, the invention of eyepieces in Renaissance Italy de facto doubled the productive life expectancy of artisans that relied upon fine motor skills...
  • @HenryBaker
    @Xi-jinping

    The earlier replies are a bit much to respond to. They generally strike me as fair, although I still think you use precisely the few striking examples of technology liberals use to claim that MOST innovation is state-led. However, your point on patronage is a good one. I will instead only linger on this part:


    Western Europe isn’t special. Why do you think that European Industrialization started in the 1780’s/90’s and not before? It coincided with European colonialism and stealing the knowledge and money of more advanced cultures (Indochina), and using the manpower of slaves from Africa. It has nothing to do with “European exceptionalism”.
     
    Third-worldist drivel. Slavery was a drag on the economy although it made a minority rich. American South was much weaker than the North and Latin-American countries were held back by being based around agricultural plantations. Many of the richest European countries (Scandinavia) never had colonies, while some of the largest powers (Spain and Portugal) stagnated despite plundering the world the earliest. The most threatening industrial behemoth, Germany, never had a meaningful colonial empire to speak of. You do remember that Stalin could industrialize a backwater in 20 years, without any colonies to speak of? Of course he used forced labor for the extremely short timespan, but Europe had the main necessities (wood, iron, coal) to do a similar thing in 100 years.

    Do you have any proof that we 'stole knowledge' that doesn't come from total cranks? I study History myself, yet even my Woke history department (which would love such an idea) never started about THAT. Probably because there is no evidence at all of such an assertion. Did we steal the technology for electricity, telegraphs, steam engines, cotton mills, and later on the internet and the atomic bomb? I suspect this is more of a point of pride for you, that you are Chinese and quite nationalist, and will never concede anything here, so there's probably no point in discussing it.

    And of course the Enlightenment was important, although it was probably a symptom of a biological type (but of course that is speculation) that obsessed over progress, innovation, invention etc. In the 19th century, many Europeans were actively hostile to tradition and worshipped science (like now, I suppose). That is the product of Enlightenment thinking, like it or not. The actual scientific revolution, mind you, started at the end of the Rennaissance already and arguably culminated in the Enlightenment.

    The under-estimation of the Chinese and especially the Japanese has bit Europeans in the ass a couple of times. Good to see that the favor is returned nowadays.

    Replies: @HenryBaker, @Xi-jinping

    Slavery was a drag on the economy although it made a minority rich. American South was much weaker than the North

    Slavery was what allowed the Northern industrialists to build a large part of their economic capabilities as inter-American trade developed. The South fell behind as their economy did not evolve and remained an economy of ‘raw resources’ (ie cotton and human flesh).

    Many of the richest European countries (Scandinavia) never had colonies,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_colonialism

    Scandinavian countries had extensive colonies, they were unlucky or incompetent or both and unable to hold onto them.

    (Spain and Portugal) stagnated despite plundering the world the earliest

    I never said that colonialism did not lead to eventual stagnation or collapse. I said that colonialism gave the impetus for Europe to become dominant.

    Spain and Portugal were ahead of all of Europe until the other European countries obtained their own colonial ventures. The Spanish and Portugese were unable to translate their extensive colonies into industrial might due to the (ironic) misfortune of plundering territories rich in Gold and cotton. This made them rich (kind of like oil rich countries of current times). However, the portugese were able to maintain some colonies for a very long time due partly to the less brutal form of colonial rule they employed.

    Germany, never had a meaningful colonial empire to speak of.

    Here is a list of German colonies – Germany had extensive colonies in Africa and some in China too:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_German_colonies
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_colonial_empire

    You do remember that Stalin could industrialize a backwater in 20 years, without any colonies to speak of?

    Stalin had Russia/the USSR which is also a colony. The difference with other European powers was that Russia had landlocked colonies connected to its mainland. Rapid industrialization would not have been possible without the dearth of resources Russia had available to it (due to its colonial ventures in Siberia and the Far East).

    Did we steal the technology for electricity, telegraphs, steam engines, cotton mills, and later on the internet and the atomic bomb?

    All of this technology is based on the technology stolen from other peoples during European period of colonialism. Which accounts for why Europe was a backwater suffering from widespread religious persecution until the 16th/17th century.

  • @Bashibuzuk
    @HenryBaker

    I am Russian, my wife is a Western European (French and Irish ancestors, therefore mainly Celtic). I live in a Western country and usually get along just fine with my neighbors and colleagues regardless of their ethnicity or religious affiliation.

    Russians have possibly this advantage of being actually kind of Euro/Asian, not Eurasian but really being half way between Oriental, Middle Eastern and Western European mentalities. In my experiences most Russians I personally know get along just fine with nearly any other ethnic group.

    About Westerners, I would draw a distinction between the Mediterranean people (Spanish, Italian, Greek) and the North-Western Germanic / Scandinavian type. My impression is also that Celtic ancestry folks are perhaps a bit different from other North Western Europeans.

    So to answer your question: I don't know whether Russians truly qualify as "typical Europeans" and also I think that Europeans are a diverse group. Those who come closer to the description that you provide are probably the North-Western European subtype and some French, who are really a mix of Celts/Latins + Nordic + Mediterranean types.

    Replies: @HenryBaker, @Xi-jinping

    I am Russian, my wife is a Western European

    You can’t call yourself a russian patriot unless your wife is from a country that is friends with Russia. You have literally fraternized with the enemy – as Western Europe is Russia’s enemy.

    • LOL: AltanBakshi, Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Xi-jinping

    Or maybe Bashi has taken enemy's female, then it must mean that he is a real warrior in our struggle? It's hard for his children to be hostile against Holy Russia when their father is Russian. There's btw old Chinese tactic to marry Han women to the enemy or barbarians.

    Btw your resolve is commendable!

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  • What a load of bollocks. AK proves again that he’s either a disinformation agent or just an idiot. Either way, I have no idea why he considers himself some kind of “dissident voice”, as he just repeats what the system says. A legend in his own mind, as Clint would say.

    I’m waiting for hm to announce that he has become a transgender (notHing more natural for a transhumanist, after all).

    • Agree: Xi-Jinping
    • LOL: HenryBaker
    • Troll: Daniel Chieh
  • @AP
    @Xi-Jinping


    The Hagia sophia is 56 meters tall vs the 67 meters of the three pagodas
     
    Only one of the three pagodas is 67 meters tall (69, per wiki), the other two are 42 meters tall.

    Of course a mere tower is not as complex or advanced as a dome. And plenty of 12th to 14th century European church towers surpassed those pagodas in height:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_church_buildings

    Replies: @Xi-Jinping

    Yes. Good point regarding the heights. However keep in mind those pagodas were built in the 9th century. Doesnt change the fact that one of the pagodas will not fit in the dome of the hagia. Also, it is quite difficult to build an earthquake proof building, especially okes that are that old. Ancient engineers had big problems with earthquake stability. Which is why (if i recall correctly) both the Statue of Rhodes and the Lighthouse of Alexandria were lost to Earthquakes.

    Regarding complexity – theres a reason why i mentioned the Forbidden City – in terms of complexity it was greater than the Hagia Sophia. The Chinese were excellent architects and engineers that could have also constructed domes, had they wished but that was not their style.