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    At 78, after a prolonged illness and without recovering consciousness, Joe Biden succumbed to the Presidency. The last hopes of the last QAnon believers vanished like smoke in the night, with Biden assuming the mighty US throne. This is truly a dark day for America and for the world, as the US example will be...
  • @Spanky
    @Priss Factor

    Take it on the chin Montana...

    Tell the Feds and ACLU to go fuck themselves.

    Then fire all the school administrators and other non-teaching staff except for one superintendent for each district -- he'll need a secretary, bookkeeper and small maintenance staff.

    Tell the teachers to decide among themselves whom should be the principal in each school.

    Abandon all DoE edicts and No Child Left Behind bullshit.

    Direct the schools to begin teaching the three Rs with all grades strictly based on merit.

    Except for rural schools, end all bussing immediately -- students attend the school geographically closest to them.

    And so on...

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

    The Hollow Men are here indeed –a nation too fat to fight and too stupid to think–

  • More than a dozen young visiting scholars from China had their visas abruptly terminated in a letter from administration of the University of North Texas (UNT), Denton, on August 26, in a letter dated …August 26! The letter informed the students that they could return to campus from their lodgings to pick up belongings, but...
  • @Dr Giggles
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Chinaman is a dick head. Everyone on this site knows it. He hangs out here because he wants to be with a superior race. What he does not understand is that it is rude to speak another language in the presence of others who do not speak said language. Chewing with your mouth open, slurping up your soup and belching, farting and picking your teeth at the table are also rude but try getting the most "sophisticated "chink to understand those simple etiquettes. In any case who wants to learn the gibberish of Mandarin anyway. Look, we Anglos are such geniuses we reduced our alphabet to 26 letters. These gooks still draw pictures to communicate, 40,000 pictures. After 4000 years they can't even improve their own language.

    We also see another paradox with chinks like him. He wants to hang on a white site and talks about black and brown brothers. Does this fool actually believe Hispanics, Blacks and Indians give a shit about his yellow skin.

    The British tried with these people for hundreds of years and finally, exasperated, banned them from all white establishments with signs that said "NO DOGS OR CHINESE". They were right. Just a few years after taking over Hong Kong they fucked the place up. After 4000 years they are as useless as ever and still dining on diseased stray dogs, crows, frogs, slugs and other vermin. Some civilization !

    We need signs at all our ports of entry "NO DOGS OR CHINESE" so we can be done with these low lives for good!

    Replies: @denk, @White Men Can’t Jump

    Are you Peter Navarro—Mikey Pompeo or Donald Trump? OR Are you Joe Biden or Kamala?

  • Although hardly suggested by our mainstream media, the officially-reported results demonstrated that our 2020 presidential election was extraordinarily close. All the regular pre-election polls had shown the Democratic candidate with a comfortable lead, but just as had been the case four years earlier, the actual votes tabulated revealed an entirely contrary outcome. According to the...
  • @Incitatus

    “Although hardly suggested by our mainstream media, the officially-reported results demonstrated that our 2020 presidential election was extraordinarily close.”
     
    Really? 2020? Biden received 81,009,468 popular votes to Trump’s 74,111,419. Biden won by 6,898,049 popular votes (9.31% more than Trump’s support ). Biden won 306 electoral votes to Trump’s 232 (a 32% margin of victory).

    Wasn’t even close. Sorry.

    It’s remarkable given Trump’s outright lies on COVID-19 ANY voted for him. His cult now think the election was stolen, despite 50+ failed lawsuits (most denied by GOP appointed judges). These are the same fans he bragged would vote for him after he murdered a person on 5th Avenue NYC. Is that you, Ron? Or are you just tagging along to gin-up traffic on your web site?

    Trump’s COVID inaction/incompetence will probably ensure 400,000 American deaths in one year (the same death toll for 1941-45 WW2). Criminal negligence/incompetence/lies/unwise public advice? Inept laziness?

    Any thoughts Ron?

    “Such an exceptionally narrow [Biden] victory is extremely unusual in modern American history.”
     
    Really? What about Trump’s 2016 victory? Wasn’t that much, much narrower?

    Clinton won 65,853,516 popular votes (4.36% more than) Trump’s 62,984,825. Trump won 304 electoral votes to Clinton’s 237 (a 29% margin of victory despite lacking popular support). That’s the only thing that got him elected four years ago. “Extraordinarily close”? Tell us about it.

    Have we drained the swamp? Tell us about the Kushner Senior pardon, $850 million in interest-only Federally backed loans (Kushner Company), $100 million in bonds raised in Israel (Kushner Company), $90 million raised from undisclosed investors (Cadre – Josh Kushner). In which Prince Jared retains active interest while a ‘senior advisor’ to his father-in-law’?

    Here’s another thought. Why not write an ‘American Pravda’ on who pays taxes to support the USA? Doubt great patriots Trump or Prince Jared figure in any taxpayer database, but who knows?

    They love America, they just don’t want to pay for it.

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump, @Grahamsno(G64)

    You are not so dumb as you try to present yourself. For the sake of making illusion of intellectual discussion I would be very interested to see analysis of the numbers of counties won as it was mentioned above.

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  • @Magic Dirt Resident
    @gent

    They don't realize that on almost every single issue they accept the premises of the left. And then wonder why they can never win lol.

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

    That was the beauty, in part, of the late Larry Auster, may he rest in peace. He pointed out that self-styled conservatives were virtually all liberals. That hadn’t previously occurred to me.

    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    That was me, getting posted as "White Men Can't Jump." A trip through The Software Zone somehow transformed me into someone else for a 30-minute episode.

    Replies: @Dissident

  • @Rob
    The difference between the center-right and hbd-ers is that we are right. Population differences are not caused by soft environmental differences in the course of a generation. Population differences are caused by natural selection over dozens or hundreds of generations. There is no way that Big Tech can keep the lid on a majority non-white America for long enough for selection to work its magic. They won’t even exploit selection to change populations, because that is eugenics.

    They can’t cancel everyone who intuitively ‘gets’ hbd. Virtually everyone behaves as if they know blacks’ personality distributions are different. There are too many of us. After a decade or two of only very good liars and true believers climbing in society, the pro-man class will not function very well.

    The progressives cannot do very well with real-life integration. Diverse cultures living together rubs people the wrong way. Look at how upset whites make integrated blacks. The ‘Karen’ membe likely did not start in the underclass. Look at all the complaints about whites from integrated AA blacks in the upper-middle class and above. Imagine if everyone were that unhappy. With significant integration, they would be.

    The progressives can’t push hard for integrating blacks, because the black crime rate is so high. Cities will become unlivable if they defund the police. Keeping a lid on a pressure cooker does really make the contents more stable. It just raises the pressure. Things will get so bad, so fast, that people will organize in real life, where Big Tech is much more constrained.

    If Big Tech really tries pushing integration, hbd-er(s) goal(s) should be to make the burden be felt up the social scale. To a large extent, the progressives will do this to themselves. Look at the Dalton school planning on taking huge numbers of slum kids.

    They can cancel us. They can make our communication difficult, but that will only move things to the real world, where actual things happen. They cannot cancel reality.

    I think Steve has said that one generations’ unmentionable facts become the next generation’s unknown facts. That is what is happening here.

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

    “the pro-man class”?

    There’s a lot of good thought in your comment; however, your conclusion seems to contradict it. You argued that everyone will become acquainted with the black behavior that makes integration intolerable, only to then non sequitur that these behaviors (“facts”) will go from being “unmentionable” to “unknown.”

    • Replies: @Rob
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Pro-man class is the professional managerial class. I find pro-man class to be a funny way of referring to them.

    My conclusion was not so much a conclusion. Let me try to be clearer. The left today, the midwit women who went to college with whites (‘run the gamut from sexy chad to creepy incel’), Asians (‘boring’), Hispanics (‘oh, they clean up after me. An asset to America’), and blacks (‘they never say anything insightful in class, but the guys can be hot and the women are no competition. A win-win’). Have had very little exposure to anything but highly selected blacks. They have no idea what the underclass blacks are like. They think that because white men thought women were stupid and unsuited to public life, which lots did, that all groups men think are stupid, and in the case of blacks, savage, are just dandy, like women are.

    Especially because women mature faster, and are more conscientious and verbally adept than men are, they have been superior to the guys they went to school with ever since kindergarten, they think every group that white men thought were inferior must also be superior. TV has fed into that impression.

    Perhaps because women are the prize in group conflict, not the competitors; perhaps because they like ethnic food, they do not see that our society has competing groups. They think that all interactions between groups are beneficial to both sides. They either think the world is different enough today that all interactions are beneficial or they think that whoever wins does not much matter, because they are the prizes.

    They do not know why their grandparents or parents fled the cities for the suburbs. Because the causes of white flight are unmentionable, never even the subject of lectures in history class, they are forgotten.

    So, if they or their champions come to power, they will either not implement Diversity! laws and policies, in which case what they believe does not matter, or they will implement Diversity! policies. The current instantiation of Diversity! is shoving blacks into positions they cannot effectively fill, and putting black interests at the forefront of every organizations mission.

    If they are true believers, they will try integrating society. This will likely start with trying to integrate schools again and suburbs for the first time. Integrating schools failed in the sixties, because of hbd-caused differences in white and black behavior. Like the first time, integrating schools will cause a lot of whites kids to be victims of blacks. We know this, because we realize HBD is true. HBD was unmentionable when they were growing up, so they do not know how and why integration failed. They will learn, and be very unhappy with what happens to their children. They will discuss these issues and incidents in real life, in person with fellow parents. The tech giants will find these conversations difficult to track and censor. The HBD truth will become widely known, despite Google and Facebook disapproving.

    Integrating the ‘burbs will fail. The suburbs are not really set up for poor single mothers and their offspring. Racial differences in minds and body will cause a lot of interracial strife. Without police acting as the pointy end of the spear of white supremacy, these interactions will be very bad for whites. They do not know why whites fled neighborhoods when blacks moved in. They think it was because whites are racist for no reason. The truth was unmentionable when they were growing up, so they do not know. When they try integration again, they will learn. The tech giants will not be able to censor real life interactions.

    Diversity! could mean pushing dumb minorities into various jobs. An 85% white America could cope with 5% of doctors, for example, being AA types. In a 50% non-white America, trying to fill half the slots with dumbs greatly decreases the functionality of those institutions. They will notice and dislike the results. IQ differences were unmentionable when they were growing up, so they don’t know they exist. IQ test results were so mean to minorities that they don’t even know IQ is real. Nothing big tech does will prevent the woke white women from noticing how incapable the NAM professionals are.

    On the IQ front, Sailer has blogged about colleges scrapping the SAT. Even if they bring it back, College Board has transformed it from an IQ test to a regurgitation test. I have mentioned that the MCAT has been altered in ways that will reduce the number of very intelligent people going into medicine. The loss of meritocracy will have real world vonsequences. Institutions and corporations will not work as well as they do now. The higher social classes will harden, and the bright lower and working class whites will not move up. There will be very intelligent people excluded from privilege. No amount of Big Tech censorship will keep everyone smart enough to hurt the system benefitting more from current arrangements than they could be sure of. Opposition to society as constituted then will have intelligent leaders and thinkers. The dominant classes of society will not be as smart then as they are today.

    Etc. hbd is unmentionable, so they do not know it. But it is reality. As they try to implement policies predicated upon human uniformity, they will learn through experience, and big tech will not be able to stop that.

    Because they grew up in white ‘burbs, and now live in lightly diverse neighborhoods, they do not know how many non-whites are in America. I have read that when white people say they want diversity, what they want is about 95% whites with some token minorities and exotic restaurants. They do not realize that integration will make them minorities. They do not know how much their lives would be impacted for the worse if they lost ‘white privilege’. As that happens, I’d it does, they will realize it, and no amount of Big Tevh censorship will stop whites from developing real-world solidarity.

    There is, in some philosophical, Popperian falsifiability sense, the possibility that Diversity! policies will go swimmingly. Everyone will integrate and assimilate into white, middle class, ‘nice’ norms. IQ differences will go away. No one in America will be ethnocentric. There will not be any divisions along racial lines. Steve Sailer will the butt of humor along the lines of how silly we think Know-Nothing fears of Catholic immigrants were. I would welcome being completely wrong. If hbd is totally false. If the g factor and the bell curve are pure pseudoscience, I would be ecstatic. It means America will stay a first world country. It means we won’t have a civil war or dystopian surveillance state.

    For tl;dr , all the facts of hbd were unmentionable for decades. Those mentioning them were excluded from civil discourse. Their parents acted as if HBD were true, but did not teach it to their children. These kids did not learn about human differences in their neighborhoods, classrooms, or playgrounds, so they are true believers in the woke zeitgeist, so they will act on those beliefs. Because those beliefs are not true, actions based on them will not have the desired results, and big tech will not be able to censor peopke from learning about it. Wow, even my tl;dr is tl;dr.

    None of this means society will collapse. But society will get much more brittle. Exogenous shocks will be much more destabilizing than they would be in meritocratic, white America. Hispanics are a wild card. They are not much smarter than blacks, but the personality distribution is much different. Whether they throw in with whites or blacks will be interesting.

    The above applies to whites and perhaps Asians. Upper caste Indians have gone all in on anti-white, but I think if the economy goes south, then they will go home, where they are more stably a hereditary upper caste. Asian immigration will decline whether or not America does, because China will rise, and the baby bust reduces the supply of potential immigrants.

    All of this could change if some big, exogenous shock scares whites into thinking higher functioning government and institutions are more important than having more non-whites in fancy careers. I cannot imagine what a COVID that was just as infectious with a 30% death rate would do. I think the US would have collapsed today.

    Replies: @Nicholas Stix

  • @Achmed E. Newman
    @AKAHorace

    Great take on it, Horace. I read the NY Post article (first, because I wasn't sure your writing wasn't all direct from the article), and this explains very well why revolutions and such are more of a young and single man's game.

    As for the guy's 2,000 rounds of rifle ammunition, that's just a decent stash, especially if he had .22 LR in there for a plinking/training rifle. 2,000 rounds of it would be less than 4 small cartons, each about the size of a pint milk carton. The news is big on reporting thousands of rounds of small caliber ammo.

    The thing that irks me the most about that story is the spelling of Edward with a "u". Who the hell does that?

    Replies: @AKAHorace, @White Men Can’t Jump

    She also misspelled her own daughter’s name as “Olvia.”

    She’s also an obsessive and opportunistic racist:

    “And last time he was being charged with domestic violence but with his fancy lawyer that charge was dismissed because well why not guess the white fancy judge was not in the mood to tell the white fancy lawyer to tell his white fancy client that he was being charged with 2 felonies instead of one.”

    I hope she was really pretty, and/or great in the sack when her husband met her, because Lord knows she has made him suffer since then.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
    @White Men Can’t Jump


    The thing that irks me the most about that story is the spelling of Edward with a “u”. Who the hell does that?

     

    Forgivable if she is French or Latina. Irritating when Anglos do this. I suspect it goes with the rest of her attention seeking personality though.

    She also misspelled her own daughter’s name as “Olvia.”
     
    Actually, rereading the story I have to apologize to her. It seems to me that her husbands name is Eduard. Whatever else she has done, we Unz review commenters cannot blame the woman for naming her son Eduard. Perhaps she has another relative named Olvia.

    Achmed and White Man we cannot blame people unfairly, no matter what else they have done.
  • From Crime Watch Boystown Chicago: Man stole tow truck, then called 911 to complain because victim pulled a gun on him, prosecutors say January 14, 2021 CWBChicago Citywide A Grand Crossing man stole a towing company’s truck and then called 911 himself because he was upset that the truck’s driver dared to pull a gun...
  • @Polistra
    @Stan d Mute

    What exactly constitutes your property for the sake of this discussion? If they steal your napkin at the diner? The $5 tip you left on the table? Of course not. If they steal your car? Yes? Then where exactly between your car and your napkin and your tip do you draw the line? Aren't cars readily replaceable? Are you really authorized to be judge, jury, and executioner, all in the space of a few seconds? That's just crazy.

    Even if you happen to be possessed of unerring judgement, do you think everyone else shares this rare attribute? If not, how will you determine who is and who isn't permitted to use deadly force to protect their stuff?

    What I'm trying to have you see is that your stance quickly leads to a lethal sort of anarchy which is even more pernicious than our current situation. Which I'm more than happy to stipulate is anything but ideal.

    Replies: @Nico, @anon, @Pericles, @White Men Can’t Jump

    This is really pathetic sophistry on your part. The discussion was about the attempted GTA of a tow truck, yet you bring in napkins and $5 tips. You sound like a tenured, empty professor.

    “Aren’t cars readily replaceable?”

    No, they’re not. Especially not a tow truck. Letting a mope steal his truck could well have cost the vic his job.

    “Are you really authorized to be judge, jury, and executioner, all in the space of a few seconds?”

    Absolutely. The space of a few seconds could well be the difference between the vic’s life and death.

    “That’s just crazy.”

    No, that’s just sane and righteous.

    Your problem is that you embrace evil, in the form of your membership in the Brotherhood in Support of Colored Criminals. You are loyal to the perp, because he’s a black criminal, and hostile to the White vic, because he’s a White vic. If the black perp had slaughtered the White vic, you’d have all sorts of excuses ready.

    By the way, say her name! Channon Christian. Say his name! Christopher Newsom.

    • Agree: 3g4me
    • Thanks: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @Polistra
    @White Men Can’t Jump


    Your problem is that you embrace evil
     
    IKR? But aside from that I'm a really nice guy.

    Not a one of you clowns even began to understand the point, much less engage it.

    I'll put it here again, in really simple language.

    Where do you draw the line?
     

    Replies: @Stan d Mute

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  • @Lace
    @Nicholas Stix

    Very good comment. You're saying the same thing I was saying. Music is no longer music if it is FIRST identity-politics, whether 'queer theory', 'straight theory', 'feminist theory', or any of these things. The breakdown in music and classical dance is very obvious. That reminds me, I need to look at that commenter with quotes by Misty Copeland, of whom I am so sick. I guess 'white ballets' died this summer after Floyd, and now Misty imagines she'll get all of Diana Vishneva's roles--and she might, in this stupid era. But somebody has her quoted, which hardly comes as even the slightest surprise. Even without George Floyd, she was ubiquitous--I hardly ever watch TV for 40 years, but I used to watch Charlie Rose a lot and she went on and on then. And he was definitely always the flatterer of his guests, unless he did a really hard interview, as with Al-Assad or Putin, and then he had to be at his best. The idiotic ones were as with Lily Tomlin--he told her 'you are a poet'. It was ridiculous, and that movie she was plugging at the time Grandma, which I saw and it was awful. Proved the lesbian stereotype of slovenliness was quite often exactly that.

    I can imagine that such an otherwise excellent book must have been a pain to deal with--although Copland was definitely gay--or at least all the friends through whom I met him just for a few seconds said so--although I never heard any sex details about him, homo or hetero. I met him briefly at a concert either at Juilliard or Alice Tully Hall or Philharmonic Hall in the mid-70s, but I think we didn't even have a chance to converse, sorry to say. I think Robert Helps, who was a fine pianist at the time, and I knew somewhat, may have introduced me. I also worked on one of his pieces that was written at that time, was it called 'Night Thoughts'? I haven't thought of it since. It was fairly easy and short.

    There were a number of Nadia Boulanger's big-name students who were homosexual. Virgil Thomson certainly, and I've never been sure if Ned Rorem actually studied with her or just knew her very well. She thought highly of his songs when young, but told him he should 'pay more attention to the details of his life', which he ignored, as The Paris Diary documents. That was enough of his diaries for me, but it was interesting for the 50s atmosphere and a young ambitious American doing all the cliched American-in-Paris things--and publishing such things way too soon, I might say... I met Thomson a number of times, he was not so pleasant and I've never cared much for his music. Carter I never met but he lived a block away and I saw him often in the neighbourhood. I don't know if I saw his wife and/or son, because I wouldn't recognize them, but I just saw he stayed in that apartment only till 2003. He died a couple of days after Hurricane Sandy, and I had assumed he was still there.

    For me, he is mainly his 'Ballet for Martha', which is one of the perfect pieces of Americana that stands up to anything European. But I admit I know much more about her ballets than I do about his music.

    But, of course, what Chris White is doing to music is going to be what other, more talented musicians have to compromise to as well, and in dance it's already sterilized, except POB and Kirov, who don't pay any attention (yet.) But literature, certainly, and film, all of the Arts now have to be scrutinized through this lens of identity politics. It is perfectly horrifying.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian, @White Men Can’t Jump

    Thanks so much for your lengthy, thoughtful reply. As for Copland, when you crossed paths with him in the mid-70s, I doubt he would have been much of a conversation partner. If memory serves, Pollock said that he was losing the battle with dementia it by then.

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  • @Another Polish Perspective
    @ViktorTempleton

    'How strange that this industrialization happened only after the Christians got a hold of this knowledge and in none of the prior centuries of Hellenic aspiration.'

    The book which tries to answer this question is 'The End of the Past: Ancient Rome and Modern West' by Aldo Schiavone. The answer, in short, is the ancient mindset: widespread slavery (only very very slowly being abolished by Christianity) led to the general lack of interest in any work saving devices as well as the lack of respect for manual work in general. That is what Schiavone calls 'Past' which had to end in order for the West to progress in the sphere of technics, thus 'Modern West = The End of the Past'.
    The book is unique in that that it discusses the connection between slavery and mindset it created. True, this is a very Marxist concept, but that does not mean that it is automatically false.
    Despite my earlier study of history, the book still has corrected few received ideas that , for example, Spartacus uprising was due to a temporary aberration, a cumulation of bad treatment.

    Caveat for the current discussion: The mindset of the Past was not created by a pagan religion, but solely by social organization of work (I said, the author is Italian Marxist).

    https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/0674009835/ref=sr_1_4

    Replies: @ViktorTempleton, @White Men Can’t Jump, @Laurent Guyénot

    Very symbolic – Aldo Schiavone – ‘Schiavone’ means – ‘Serbs’ and Serbs (including future Polish) founded the city of Rome (originally – Ruma). Etruscans founded the Western civilisation. Spartacus was one of Serbs who in their long history never practiced slavery.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    More exactly the term derives from Slavonic mercenaries the Serenissima used as bashi bozouks, and is not considered complimentary;
    oops - they were not mercenaries because "Serenissima" also means "Serbs".

  • @Laurent Guyénot
    @ViktorTempleton


    definitive proof for the existence and divinity of Christ may be found in the many laboratory verified Eucharistic miracles,
     
    Miracles (supernatural manifestations of faith) happen in all religions. They happen every day in hinduism.

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump, @ViktorTempleton

    Hinduism originated from Aryans (Rg)Vedas. From Vedism evolved in various directions Brahmanism, Mazdaism and Mithraism. Can you pls close the circle – who were Aryans, who made Vedas and what is the link with the topic of this thread? Txs.

  • The context of this thread can explain enormous anti-Russian hysteria in US, a declaration that (Christian) Orthodoxy is the biggest enemy of the ‘West’, bigger than ISIL, strong support for Bosnian Muslims by American Jews and never seen before in history media satanisation of Serbs, seemingly irrational but enormous constant push for narco-Kosovo to be recognised as an independent state after heavy bombardment, huge investment to prevent Russian ‘maligned’ influence in Balkan. Complementary with this is support to Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople to create artificial Ukrainian Orthodox Church and introduce Orthodox papacy, Soros-Armenia, tolerance of Greek Orthodox Churches which switched to Catholics calendar and because they had few secret agreements with Vatican and support for Vatican Corporation itself so as Protestants which are run as companies with marketing, fluid ‘business’ strategy, modernisation, innovation, stakeholders, PR, etc. The target are Orthodox churches which follow original tenets, do not want to change their service/calendar and not very receptive for outside infiltrations.

    • Agree: Seraphim
  • Who were Philistines, where originated the worship of Dagon?

  • @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree
    @Eugene Norman


    John is writing after the final schism when Christians break away from Jews. This again goes against the idea that Jews created Christianity deliberately. They wouldn’t have written John.
     
    Thank you, Eugene Norman, this necessary insight unrefutably persuasive of the inaccuracy of the theory that The Jesus Story is a contrivance by Jews to dupe whitey.

    The Jesus Story is true which is why the Jews had mortal hatred for Him and have genocidal designs on the descendants of Christendom.

    Thus the Jews' Media vilification of all of Euro ancestry, particularly white males for their unmatched ability for leadership and constructive activity.

    So all this means that White Nationalists who dismiss Christianity as a Jew ploy are Jew duped - they are in fact controlled opposition appearing and maybe even intending to opposed Jew tyranny but in fact under the mind control of Jews.

    Just as all of Protestantism is Jew induced heresy, so is the idea that Christianity specifically The Roman Catholic Church is anything other than the sole effective method to keep the devil and his children the Jews from stealing souls here on Earth for eternal torture in Hell.

    Jesus both named humanity's eternal threat at John 8:44 then provided the only solution to that threat with His founding of The Roman Catholic Church.

    Providing that diagnosis and its cure establishes Him as omni good and thus Almighty God.

    Every whitey is descended of lineage which was minimally a millennium in The Roman Catholic Church.

    So every whitey who is no longer in The Roman Catholic Church is a dupe of diabolical Jew treachery.

    Replies: @SeekerofthePresence, @Seraphim

    The ‘sole effective method’ is faith in the ‘One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church’. The meaning of ‘Catholic catholicus/ καθολικός (katholikos), is “universal”, coming from the Greek phrase καθόλου (katholou), meaning “on the whole”. The Church is the same in any place, at all times, in any people, because it keeps, and as long as it keeps unaltered (this is the meaning of Orthodoxy- the correct faith) the faith in the tradition (teaching and worship) handed down by the Christ to all the Apostles. The ‘Roman’ Church started a process of alteration of the tradition, opening the gates to Jewish subversion. The ‘correct method’ is preserved nowadays in the Churches who remained Orthodox after the schism of the ‘West’. So, back to Orthodoxy.

    • Replies: @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree
    @Seraphim

    We have solid common ground on what you wrote before this:


    The ‘Roman’ Church started a process of alteration of the tradition, opening the gates to Jewish subversion. The ‘correct method’ is preserved nowadays in the Churches who remained Orthodox after the schism of the ‘West’. So, back to Orthodoxy.
     
    While receptive to enlightenment (pun intended) on details in support of those two sentences, there is one point of doctrine unassailable due to the words of God Incarnate Jesus: the prohibition on marrying a different spouse while the original spouse lives (other than the too-close-kinship-exception of Matthew 19:9 in order to avoid harmful inbreeding [note: Jesus didn't say it, Matthew inserted it to address his Hebrew audience in light of the prohibition in the Torah against marriages of too close kinship]).

    If those of the doctrine of Eastern "Orthodoxy" allows adulterous marriage to a new spouse while the original spouse lives (as my limited exposure seems to indicate is currently the case) it is fatally flawed.

    The greatest scholars of Jesus who are the most devout Christians summarize His teachings as nothing new or revolutionary with two exceptions: 1) "Eat My Body, Drink My Blood"; and 2) marriage is unconditional terminable only by death so marrying a new spouse while the original spouse lives is adultery.

    Adulterous remarriage is the Satanic Jews' favorite taint to inflict against the teachings of Jesus and their preferred way to lead His sheep astray.

    Replies: @Seraphim

  • @Garliv
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Interesting perspective. Never encountered Serbian angle. Any link? Other Sources?

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

    Not allowed to answer, probably political (in)correctness.

  • @Zarathustra
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Talking B.S. Only living creatures have gender in all Slavic languages. Stop inventing things.
    Objects do not have a gender.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @White Men Can’t Jump, @Anonymous

    Objects have genders too. So at least in Polish.
    Noun genders determine the adjective declination.
    “prawda” (truth) is feminine in Polish too.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Truth in Polish is not prawda. It is pravda. You impostor! Yes you say ta pravda. (fem) but is practically never used.

  • @Zarathustra
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Talking B.S. Only living creatures have gender in all Slavic languages. Stop inventing things.
    Objects do not have a gender.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @White Men Can’t Jump, @Anonymous

    [Too much off-topic Serbian nonsense. Stop it or most of your future comments will be trashed.]

  • I found that this text is excellent and explores pretty unknown beginnings of Christianity even some historical things can be questioned. Readers here often cite some historical events not knowing that the 1st millennia period in Europe was heavily falsified mostly by Catholic Church. I found many history falsifications and I may list them in a near dictionary list. How everything is relative we can see in the questioning if St Paul or even Jesus himself existed at all. What we then can say about other things?

    My opinion is that the cornerstone of all falsifications was a false migration of Slavic (i.e. Serbs, because the term Slavic still did not exist) to Balkan. In this context, this disguise the fact that the first centuries of Christianity in the Roman Empire was shifted from Rome to today’s Serbia where was the Roman capital Sirmium. All key emperors, who mostly came from military, were of Serbian origins – Diocletian, Constantine, Licinius, Julian, Jovian, later Justin and Justinian. They persecuted Christians, legalised Christianity, suppressed and returned to the paganism, again revived Christianity making it the official religion and later built the biggest church in Constantinople.

    Just a brief notice re the Phrygian photo and Mithraism. Phrygians are a Greek reading of Brigi(ans) who were Serbian speaking tribes and came from today’s Montenegro to Asia Minor. Plato wrote that Old Greek language took many words from them. Their recognisable hats can be seen in many ancient pictures and also is reflected in the Venetian Doge’s ceremonial hat.

    It is also pretty unknown the fact that the first Christian diocese was established in today’s Serbia (Sirmium) and that St Peter and Paul first visited Serbia before going to Rome where finished as Nero’s victims. The word ‘apostle’ is also Serbian so as the origin of the name Maria (Latin version), Miriam (Jewish version). That Moses got 10 commandments on the Serbian peak (still the same name in Arabic) in Sinai where other peaks also have Serbian name – Nebo (Sky), Banat, etc, what can be seen on the map or travel leaflets from the area. These are just a few indications as visible parts of the icebergs about the things which are suppressed, or which general public doesn’t know.

    • Replies: @Garliv
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Interesting perspective. Never encountered Serbian angle. Any link? Other Sources?

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

  • @Laurent Guyénot
    @nokangaroos

    Truth is a woman because the love of truth is the essential masculine impulse. Truth is a woman because truth is gracious and beautiful. I'm sorry for you that I had to spell it out!

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

    The ‘truth’ is a feminine gender in Serbian language (‘Istina’) so as in other Slavic languages, e.g. ‘Pravda’ in Russian.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Talking B.S. Only living creatures have gender in all Slavic languages. Stop inventing things.
    Objects do not have a gender.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @White Men Can’t Jump, @Anonymous

    , @Zarathustra
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Are you negro?

    Replies: @Anonymous

  • A dozen years ago I wrote two essays showing that the War on Christmas in recent times has in fact been conducted by Jews out of their historic hatred of Christ, Christians, and European Whites. Recently, I was a guest on Guide to Kultur, hosted by Frodi Midjord, and we talked about my 2008 essays...
  • @Seraphim
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Alexander is a Hellenic name: Ἀλέξανδρος (Aléxandros; 'Defender of the people', 'Defending men', or 'Protector of men'). It is a compound of the verb ἀλέξειν (aléxein; 'to ward off, avert, defend')[3] and the noun ἀνήρ (anḗr, genitive: ἀνδρός, andrós; meaning 'man'. It is attested at Mycene as 'a-re-ka-sa-da-ra, (/Alexandra/'. All Macedonian Kings had Hellenic names.

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

    There was not one Greek in Alexander’s dynasty. There was not one Greek tribe in Macedonia, few dozens of Serbian tribes are today Serbian surnames. Alexander’s real name was Lesander, ‘A’ was added by Greeks. The words ‘Hellenic’ and ‘Greek’ (i.e. Grk) are of Serbian origins. Old Greek language was similar to Pelasgian language. I appreciate your opinion/knowledge but read Demosthenes. Maybe the last question in this communication would be – when and where from the future Greeks came to today’s Greece?

  • @Seraphim
    @Vojkan

    I am afraid that you are right. Fortunately, the Serbs I know are in their right mind.

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump, @Vojkan

    Bravo, καλιμέρα, Συγχαρητήρια . Neither one argument nor one contra-argument. Those like Dojkan are in every nation considered as pieces of shееt (i.e. gofna). Enjoy in his smelly company.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Your spelling is equally bad in English and Serbian. Given your low level of literacy in either language, I can't ascertain your true origin but I can surmise that you're an imbecile.

  • @Seraphim
    @White Men Can't Jump

    Don't you worry. I stay cool trying not to laugh too hard. I guess you belong to this (North!) 'Mazedonian' 'nation', not sure whether they are Срби or Българи, and therefore fancying themselves Pelasgians, Trojans, Etruscans, you name it.
    Anyway Alexander was not from Скопje, but from Πέλλα. Right?

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

    Your knowledge is really a sad thing. Bulgars were an Asiatic tribe who came to Europe 1000 years after Alexander. Do you know where Alexander originated from and what is the meaning of his name? Obviously not. Was there ONE Greek in his 500 years long dynasty? What was the name of his birthplace when he was born? I can give you 1000 names of Macedonian places which Serbian names were changed 90 years ago.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Alexander is a Hellenic name: Ἀλέξανδρος (Aléxandros; 'Defender of the people', 'Defending men', or 'Protector of men'). It is a compound of the verb ἀλέξειν (aléxein; 'to ward off, avert, defend')[3] and the noun ἀνήρ (anḗr, genitive: ἀνδρός, andrós; meaning 'man'. It is attested at Mycene as 'a-re-ka-sa-da-ra, (/Alexandra/'. All Macedonian Kings had Hellenic names.

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

  • @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    Uh, many Americans are now and have been some of the biggest dopes the world has ever seen. They know little about their own history and care even less. That is why they are today, a target for every group that DOES KNOW ABOUT THEIR HISTORY AND CULTURE and respects them. Even as white's are now threatened constantly in their own homeland, they are clueless as hell. The great president Donald Trump had the effect of reminding them of how low they have sunk. That is why he is a threat to the status quo traitors in the Senate and Congress, people who care little for this country as a nation of citizens that should be honored. Don't believe it, just look at the disrespect democrat party leaders have along with republican rino's like Paul Ryan, Mitch "mumbles" McConnell, the late John McCain, Lindsay Graham, the list of 'traitors to the president and his supporters being almost endless in the republican senate.

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

    Excellent observations. But there are yet worse cases than those who don’t know and care even less. I presented above some obvious things which are hidden by ‘mainstream’. This is a great annoyance for self-hating individuals from the same background and they react very aggressively, simply labelling people without any argument.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Absolutely. Well stated.

  • @ Dojkan
    Which kind of creature are you? A self-hating serb or just an ordinary moron? Have you found one incorrect thing? You have no idea what this is about. If you did not comment other probably would not notice your dumbness.

  • This essay is drawn from the book Making Sense of Race, which can be purchased here. "Race" is a coherent biological category, as much as is "species," and the cases against it simply don't add up. Is "race" an outmoded, morally dubious idea that was deservedly cast into the dustbin of history, along with Stalinism,...
  • @Malla
    @White Men Can’t Jump


    They came to EU about 2800BC
     
    But R1b existed in Europe much before that, the oldest Haplogroup R1B in the World was found in Europe and is dated 14 000 years. Olalde et al. (2017) trace the spread of haplogroup R1b-M269 in western Europe, particularly Britain, to the spread of the Beaker culture, with a sudden appearance of many R1b-M269 haplogroups in Western Europe ca. 5000–4500 years BP during the early Bronze Age. D’Atanasio et al. (2018) propose that R1b-V88 originated in Europe about 12 000 years ago and crossed to North Africa by about 8000 years ago; it may formerly have been common in southern Europe, where it has since been replaced by waves of other haplogroups, leaving remnant subclades almost exclusively in Sardinia.
    Both R1b and R1a are originally European haplogroups who got reintroduced back by the Yamnaya/Indo-Europeans.

    They came to EU about 2800BC but we have English, German and Scandinavian languages formed few hundreds years ago. What was in meantime?
     
    Other languages in between.What were the Germans speaking when they fought Rome?

    So-called Indo-Iranian languages are much younger than 2000BC i.e. than Sanskrit. How nomads could bring sophisticated language, Vedas and culture?
     
    Sanskrit being 2000 years old is doubtful and speculative. There is no written documentary proof of Sanskrit before BC period. The earliest documentary proof of Sanskrit starts after Christ i.e. AD. During Emperor Ashoka's time, we have rock carvings throughout Indian subcontinent all the way to Afghanistan, in Prakrit and Greek but no Sanskrit. Show me one documentary evidence of written Sanskrit from BC period.

    You wrote about R1a but Yamnaya people were R1b (future ‘westerners’).
     
    R1b originated in Europe as well. And as far as the R1b/R1a split
    From a poster Ano4
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/heres/#comment-4034979
    One possible explanation would be the R1a versus R1b haplogroup split in PIE / PII populations. Afanasievo people derived from Yamnaya and were R1b, Andronovo people of Arkaim Sintashta/ Petrovka were R1a. Afanasievo migrated to Central Asia first, Andronovo came later. Andronovo replaced Afanasievo. Ancient Iranians and their Iranian, Ossetian, Kurdish descendants seem having more haplogroup R1b as compared to Scythians, Indian “Aryan ” castes and Balto-Slavic people who were R1a. Also Scythians were mainly R1a, while Sarmatians were mainly R1b, Sarmatians conquered Scythians in the Pontic plains and put an end to their domination. According to Tacitus, Sarmatians spoke a corrupted form of Scythian, and Germans spoke a language that had some similarities to Sarmatian.
    Perhaps the R1b people and R1a people have lived through ages of conflict resulting into an antagonistic use of some important words that were common in their respective dialects.
    The region where the ancient R1a / R1b split would have occurred might well be Xinjiang with the Uighur having a balanced proportion of both R1a and R1b on top of the typical Mongoloid Y haplogroups they share with Han Chinese and other Extreme Oriental populations.

    Who lived there between 12000BC and 3000BC when Yamnaya nomads came to Europe? Which language was spoken there?
     
    You tell me.

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

    ‘I’ haplogroup is the only haplogroup originated in Europe. I1 (so called Nordic) separated from Vincha’s I2a (so called Dinaric) and moved to the north of EU. R1b was present in Europe before big Yamnaya ‘wave’ btw 3300-2800BC which conducted genocides against indigenous people in Europe. I guess, we concluded that Yamnaya (R1b) were NOT Aryans. And Aryans have ‘Slavic’ genetics. How could Central Asian nomads from Russian steppes could develop proto-language, language and high civilization? The fact is that Serbs (who are proto-Slavics) have the same genetics with Aryan descendants in SAsia and that modern Serbian language is the most similar to Sanskrit (plus mythology and toponyms). How to explain this? It is known only the migration of Gypsies in the 9th c.AC from India to Europe.

    English language was formed in the 12th c.AC and German in the 14th c.AC, i.e. more than 3500 years after Sanskrit. What is the link between them? What were the names of these languages in this interim period? Serbian language of I2a Vincha’s people who moved to British Isles and Scandinavia influenced the formation of the Proto-Germanic language.

    ‘Which language spoke Germans while attacking Roman Empire’. What were mother tongues of Roman Emperors – Diocletian, Constantine, Licinius, Jovian, Justin, Justinian and two dozen others? Which language spoke Aleksandar the Great?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    There was a lot more interaction between East and the West in the ancient world than most are aware of. King Ashoka sent emissaries to the Middle East, Europe and North Africa in the third century BCE and some of his edicts were written in Greek and Aramaic as well as Indian languages. Maybe some of the linguistic influences of Indian on European languages may have originally been from Aryan influences on India earlier on but it's hard to prove.

    The old Vincha language, whatever it may have been, could have influenced some others, I'm almost sure of that, but how would you go about proving this, or more specifically what those influences were? You claim that the Indo-European invasion exterminated all the old peoples of Europe (I'm not sure even that is true or can be proved) so how did the old Vincha language survive? And how do you go about proving that Alexander the Great's native language was anything other than ancient Greek? There were no written records kept in those old languages to this day. So let's say that in some ancient Latin or Greek records you find words and toponyms that correspond to modern Serbian, how can you say that they didn't originate from Latin or Greek? Yes it's possible that some Latin and Greek travellers may well have recorded some terms from oral languages they came across but trying to prove which is which today is almost impossible as interaction works both ways. Everyone tries to claim primacy of their own.

    Replies: @White Men Can't Jump

  • @Commentator Mike
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    When looking at etymology it is not always easy to determine who influenced whom. The Vincha culture may have introduce script but nobody knows what language they spoke thousands of years BC.

    How do you prove that those Serbian words were spread to India or not from India? Arabs spread Indian numerals to Europe so it is likely that they also spread some words in the same direction. In our time we can see the spread of Anglo words into many languages, especially when it comes to technical terms, so it is easy for us to determine the source and direction of such words but going back into the deep past it becomes difficult.

    Pali is an interesting language as you will find words from many different languages in it. But was it the source of those words or it adopted them from others? I'm no linguist but I think you need to prove how a word moved in a particular direction and not another.

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

    The genetics has confirmed that Aryans and Serbs i.e. Slavics (this term is used since the 7th c.AC) from Scandinavia to Kamchatka and from Arctic to the Golf have the same genetics. Germans and Anglo-Celtics were NOT Aryans. Almost no one think anymore that all those people originated and left India, populated the world and none of them left in India. Who are the native speakers of Sanskrit in India?

    There are thousands of linguistic examples, hope I will have time and space to present some. In addition, there is very similar mythology brought in Vedas of Serbs (i.e. Slavics) and Hinduism. There are thousands of Serbian toponyms in S.Asia. Was there any toponym from SAsia brought to Europe? Yamnaya nomads could not bring a sophisticated language and culture to Europe. Btw, there are many Serbian toponyms in British Isles, too. For example, Serbian word MED (honey) is a root for medicine, medication, etc and it is present in about 50 EuroAsian languages. There are many other Serbian words which are present in many languages (e.g. in phonetic – duh, pir, vampire, etc). English word LAND (in phonetic – lend) is a nasal pronunciation of Serbian word LED (ice). I will present this example. This people remember when the ice border in Europe in 8000BC was in today’s Czechoslovakia.

    Some signs from the oldest in the world Vincha’s alphabet (swastika is one sign) were present in continuity until today in modern Serbian alphabet, including old Etruscan alphabet, too.
    The funniest example is the word – father, pater, padre, etc, which evolved via wrong Greek translation of the Serbian word – bato i.e. brother. It means that the word ‘father’ actually means ‘brother’. More to come, stay cool.

  • @Malla
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6822619/
    The Formation of Human Populations in South and Central Asia

    By sequencing 523 ancient humans, we show that the primary source of ancestry in modern South Asians is a prehistoric genetic gradient between people related to early hunter-gatherers of Iran and southeast Asia. Following the Indus Valley Civilization’s decline, they mixed with people in the southeast to form one of the two main ancestral populations of South Asia whose direct descendants live in southern India. Simultaneously, they mixed with descendants of Steppe pastoralists who spread via Central Asia after 4000 years ago to form the other main ancestral population. The Steppe ancestry in South Asia has the same profile as that in Bronze Age Eastern Europe, tracking a movement of people that affected both regions and that likely spread the unique shared features shared between Indo-Iranian and Balto-Slavic languages.

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

    You haven’t answered who were Indo-Europeans. You do not need to be frustrated. If you did it would be easier to make conclusions. You wrote about R1a but Yamnaya people were R1b (future ‘westerners’). Which haplogroups have north Europeans. What’s happened with the ‘Indo-European’ language brought by Yamnaya? They came to EU about 2800BC but we have English, German and Scandinavian languages formed few hundreds years ago. What was in meantime? Neither ‘Balto-Slavic’ nor ‘Soviet’ languages existed 4000 years ago but existed Serbian language from which all ‘Slavic’ languages later developed (first mentioning of Russian name is in the 8th c.AC, other much later).

    Why is the Serbian language the most similar to Sanskrit but not surrounding languages – Hungarian, Italian, German, French, Greek, etc? Serbs and other Slavics are mostly R1a+I2a. They were Aryans, not Germans or Anglo-Celtic. So-called Indo-Iranian languages are much younger than 2000BC i.e. than Sanskrit. How nomads could bring sophisticated language, Vedas and culture? How much time was needed for the formation of the ‘proto’ language (‘proto Indo-European’) and after that the ‘real’ (‘Indo-European’) language? Where this happened? Where people lived during the Ice Age?

    Lived in Vincha (Iron Gates, Danube, L.Vir, Starcevo). Immediately after the Ice Age, we have urban life in Lepenski Vir and Vincha, high technology, metallurgy, architecture, wheel, trades, fashion, the oldest alphabet, etc. Who lived there between 12000BC and 3000BC when Yamnaya nomads came to Europe? Which language was spoken there?

    • Replies: @Malla
    @White Men Can’t Jump


    They came to EU about 2800BC
     
    But R1b existed in Europe much before that, the oldest Haplogroup R1B in the World was found in Europe and is dated 14 000 years. Olalde et al. (2017) trace the spread of haplogroup R1b-M269 in western Europe, particularly Britain, to the spread of the Beaker culture, with a sudden appearance of many R1b-M269 haplogroups in Western Europe ca. 5000–4500 years BP during the early Bronze Age. D’Atanasio et al. (2018) propose that R1b-V88 originated in Europe about 12 000 years ago and crossed to North Africa by about 8000 years ago; it may formerly have been common in southern Europe, where it has since been replaced by waves of other haplogroups, leaving remnant subclades almost exclusively in Sardinia.
    Both R1b and R1a are originally European haplogroups who got reintroduced back by the Yamnaya/Indo-Europeans.

    They came to EU about 2800BC but we have English, German and Scandinavian languages formed few hundreds years ago. What was in meantime?
     
    Other languages in between.What were the Germans speaking when they fought Rome?

    So-called Indo-Iranian languages are much younger than 2000BC i.e. than Sanskrit. How nomads could bring sophisticated language, Vedas and culture?
     
    Sanskrit being 2000 years old is doubtful and speculative. There is no written documentary proof of Sanskrit before BC period. The earliest documentary proof of Sanskrit starts after Christ i.e. AD. During Emperor Ashoka's time, we have rock carvings throughout Indian subcontinent all the way to Afghanistan, in Prakrit and Greek but no Sanskrit. Show me one documentary evidence of written Sanskrit from BC period.

    You wrote about R1a but Yamnaya people were R1b (future ‘westerners’).
     
    R1b originated in Europe as well. And as far as the R1b/R1a split
    From a poster Ano4
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/heres/#comment-4034979
    One possible explanation would be the R1a versus R1b haplogroup split in PIE / PII populations. Afanasievo people derived from Yamnaya and were R1b, Andronovo people of Arkaim Sintashta/ Petrovka were R1a. Afanasievo migrated to Central Asia first, Andronovo came later. Andronovo replaced Afanasievo. Ancient Iranians and their Iranian, Ossetian, Kurdish descendants seem having more haplogroup R1b as compared to Scythians, Indian “Aryan ” castes and Balto-Slavic people who were R1a. Also Scythians were mainly R1a, while Sarmatians were mainly R1b, Sarmatians conquered Scythians in the Pontic plains and put an end to their domination. According to Tacitus, Sarmatians spoke a corrupted form of Scythian, and Germans spoke a language that had some similarities to Sarmatian.
    Perhaps the R1b people and R1a people have lived through ages of conflict resulting into an antagonistic use of some important words that were common in their respective dialects.
    The region where the ancient R1a / R1b split would have occurred might well be Xinjiang with the Uighur having a balanced proportion of both R1a and R1b on top of the typical Mongoloid Y haplogroups they share with Han Chinese and other Extreme Oriental populations.

    Who lived there between 12000BC and 3000BC when Yamnaya nomads came to Europe? Which language was spoken there?
     
    You tell me.

    Replies: @White Men Can’t Jump

  • @Allen Trombone
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Basques - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basques

    And a variety of Neanderthals were the original Europeans.

    That is how we got our phenotype.

    I actually think there were many hominids that went into modern humans.

    What happened was the homo sapiens fucked them all into oblivion.

    They all became absorbed into the homo sapien sapien and only maintain small remnant portions of our genomes.

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    Exactly. ‘Bichon man’, 14000 years old from Switzerland, was I2a. Forty % of Serbs have this haplogroup (I above mentioned few other I2a people). From Vincha many of them migrated or escaped from genocide (conducted by future ‘westerners’ – Yamnaya people from Russian steppes) to the North Europe (where their genetic cousins, I1, lived), British Isles, Sardinia.

  • @Adûnâi
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    > "Modern Serbian is the most similar to Sanskrit (Tagore’s granddaughter found 20% identical and 11% very similar words)."

    Isn't it Lithuanian? Is this a joke? Could you please elaborate? And what does an unspecified [Rabindranath?] Tagore's granddaughter have to do with Serbia?

    All I have found is this. Typical delusional folk etymology, just like in "Saxons=Isaac's sons".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srbinda

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    Lithuanian? I know about ‘archaic Lithuanian’ from the 15 c.AC, but not from the 20 c.BC. Who is the joker here? Where were Lithuanians at the time of Alexander the Great or at the time of the Roman Empire? Obviously, you are very behind and you must do a lot of research on your own. If you think to find all this in Wikipedia you are so naïve. I can give you several thousands of Serbian toponyms from Hindustan, Tibet, Central Asia, China. Can you give me any Lithuanian toponym?

    If Aryan descendants consist 16% or so (i.e. 220 million) of India’s population is it normal to expect that they brought not only the language (Sanskrit) than thousands of toponyms as well (not speaking about mythology and many other things). Hope, you will catch up, stay tuned. Tagore’s g-g-daughter Alokananda Miter studied Serbian and Slavic languages for 30 years and published papers. R.Tagore was a great friend of Serbian people and visited Serbia couple times. AM found that Serbian and her Bengali are the most similar to Sanskrit.

  • @Malla
    @White Men Can’t Jump


    Or, something easier for you – who were Aryans? They brought Sanskrit and Rg Veda to India. Were they so-called ‘Indo-Europeans’?
     
    Aryans were Indo-Europeans from Central Asia/ Ukraine region before they came to India/Persia. Rig Veda might have been written in India after coming here. Now it seems they might have been formed from European hunter gatherers.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/viking-genomics/#comment-4169855
    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/russia-and-the-eu-business-as-usual-is-over/#comment-4242619

    Which modern language is the most similar to Sanskrit?
     
    North Indian languages as well as Persian/Dari and Balto Slavic languages.

    What is Indo and what is European in this meaningless term?
     
    It is not meaningless. A common population from Central Asia/Ukraine spread South to Middle East/South Asia to spread new cultures, genes and civilizations.

    What was their mythology?
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/heres/#comment-4034736

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    As I expected my questions were not answered. We don’t know who so-called ‘Indo-Europeans’ were. “Common people from Central Asia”?? What is in this ‘Indo’ and what ‘European’ (or ‘Germanishe’)? They brought to SA culture, genes and civilisations. Which CG&C?

    But, let see if something is there? Aryans were Indo-Europeans who brought Sanskrit (&Vedas). The mainstream says that Yamnaya people from Russian steppes (future ‘Westerners’) brought IE language to Europe. How come? They were not Aryans but they brought the same language to Europe? We know who are indigenous people in Australia, Americas, Africa, Antarctica, who were indigenous people in Europe?

    North Indian languages were derived from Sanskrit but so-called ‘Balto-Slavic’ term did not exist at Aryan times. There were only Serbian speaking tribes and the original ‘IE’ language, which has been making confusion since its inception, was Serbian language. Because we have never-ending quest for elusive IE language and IE people. Modern Serbian is the most similar to Sanskrit (Tagore’s granddaughter found 20% identical and 11% very similar words). From this ancient Serbian language evolved all future so-called ‘Slavic’ languages and it has influenced several thousands of years younger westEU languages and Latin.

    In sum, paradoxically you are right – so-called ‘Indo-Europeans’ were white, they brought Sanskrit, their genes, culture and civilisation to SA but they were NOT Yamnaya (i.e. future ‘Westerners’) people. Who were they? It is not difficult to find, there are 200 million of their descendants in SA. It is needed just to replace the meaningless ‘Indo-European’ term with appropriate one.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    > "Modern Serbian is the most similar to Sanskrit (Tagore’s granddaughter found 20% identical and 11% very similar words)."

    Isn't it Lithuanian? Is this a joke? Could you please elaborate? And what does an unspecified [Rabindranath?] Tagore's granddaughter have to do with Serbia?

    All I have found is this. Typical delusional folk etymology, just like in "Saxons=Isaac's sons".
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srbinda

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    , @Allen Trombone
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Basques - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basques

    And a variety of Neanderthals were the original Europeans.

    That is how we got our phenotype.

    I actually think there were many hominids that went into modern humans.

    What happened was the homo sapiens fucked them all into oblivion.

    They all became absorbed into the homo sapien sapien and only maintain small remnant portions of our genomes.

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    , @Malla
    @White Men Can’t Jump


    As I expected my questions were not answered.
     
    What are you? an idiot?

    We don’t know who so-called ‘Indo-Europeans’ were.
     
    Of course we know who they were.

    Aryans were Indo-Europeans who brought Sanskrit (&Vedas).
     
    Actually Sanskrit is a much much later development, the original language was Prakrit.

    How come? They were not Aryans but they brought the same language to Europe?
     
    They were the same people as the so called Aryans.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ283N_ZdKY

    North Indian languages were derived from Sanskrit
     
    Most likely Prakrit.

    so-called ‘Balto-Slavic’ term did not exist at Aryan times.
     
    So? The people existed.

    was Serbian language
     
    Maybe but the Aryan genetic component in South Asians is related today's NORTH EASTERN EUROPEANS. i.e. Baltic and Northern Slavic people.

    but they were NOT Yamnaya
     
    The Yamnaya were the same people as the Aryans.
    , @Malla
    @White Men Can’t Jump


    We know who are indigenous people in Australia, Americas, Africa, Antarctica, who were indigenous people in Europe?
     
    Who are the indigenous people of Africa again? Surely not black Africans, there are older Caucasian skulls found in Africa like the Hoffmeyr Skulls then the oldest Negroid skulls 12,000 yrs back. So what you mean by indigenous people of Africa?

    The so called Aryans were related to the indigenous people of Europe (European hunter gatherers), they were basically a branch of European hunter gatherers who went to the Steppes and turned pastoralists. Aryans invading Europe was a home coming, a return back home.

    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0u2IraQPBV8/Xxbsri0rciI/AAAAAAAAJCs/tRz2C0e4EFoM-oomS1YSWCL6eNcPa4CkQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Ancient_Y-hg_R1a_v2.jpg
    If you zoom in on the map on R1a (One of the Aryan) haplogroup, you get. the small print

    The oldest example of R1a in ancient DNA from Central Asia is dated to 2132-1940 calBCE (ID I3770, Narasimhan 2019). Moreover, this sequence is closely related to much older R1a samples from Central, Eastern and Northern Europe, and phylogenetically nested within their diversity. Thus, it must surely represent a population expansion from Europe to Central Asia. Indeed, it’s also associated with the Bronze Age Andronovo archeological culture, which is usually seen as an offshoot of the Corded Ware culture (CWC) of Late Neolithic Europe. The vast majority of present-day R1a lineages in Central Asia are closely related to that of I3770, and so must also ultimately derive from Europe.”

    Also form the map of R1a
    The oldest instance of R1a in ancient DNA from South Asia is dated to just 1044-922 calBCE (ID I12457, Narasimhan 2019). This sequence, as well as the vast majority of present-day South Asian R1a lineages, are closely related to much older R1a samples from Central, Eastern and Northern Europe, and phylogenetically nested within their diversity. Thus, they must surely represent a population expansion from Europe to South Asia via Central Asia, in all likelihood during the Bronze Age. Even if R1a existed in South Asia before the Bronze Age, which is extremely unlikely, because it’s found in samples from indigenous European hunter-gatherers, the vast majority of present-day R1a lineages in South Asia must be ultimately from Europe.

    , @Malla
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6822619/
    The Formation of Human Populations in South and Central Asia

    By sequencing 523 ancient humans, we show that the primary source of ancestry in modern South Asians is a prehistoric genetic gradient between people related to early hunter-gatherers of Iran and southeast Asia. Following the Indus Valley Civilization’s decline, they mixed with people in the southeast to form one of the two main ancestral populations of South Asia whose direct descendants live in southern India. Simultaneously, they mixed with descendants of Steppe pastoralists who spread via Central Asia after 4000 years ago to form the other main ancestral population. The Steppe ancestry in South Asia has the same profile as that in Bronze Age Eastern Europe, tracking a movement of people that affected both regions and that likely spread the unique shared features shared between Indo-Iranian and Balto-Slavic languages.

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    , @Commentator Mike
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    When looking at etymology it is not always easy to determine who influenced whom. The Vincha culture may have introduce script but nobody knows what language they spoke thousands of years BC.

    How do you prove that those Serbian words were spread to India or not from India? Arabs spread Indian numerals to Europe so it is likely that they also spread some words in the same direction. In our time we can see the spread of Anglo words into many languages, especially when it comes to technical terms, so it is easy for us to determine the source and direction of such words but going back into the deep past it becomes difficult.

    Pali is an interesting language as you will find words from many different languages in it. But was it the source of those words or it adopted them from others? I'm no linguist but I think you need to prove how a word moved in a particular direction and not another.

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  • @Malla
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Idiot, Indo Europeans were White.

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    Or, something easier for you – who were Aryans? They brought Sanskrit and Rg Veda to India. Were they so-called ‘Indo-Europeans’?

    I doubt that you can answer any of previous questions. You can try with Wiki but it will not be enough.

    More important – you should work on your interpersonal communication.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    In the original Sanskrit the term has decidedly racial connotations
    ("arya varna"= the "light" or "noble" colour, as opposed to "krishna varna"= the lit. "black" or "red-eyed") the invaders used to describe themselves.
    Unfortunately the usage of "populations" vs "language groups" is a bit messed up
    (though they tend to coincide), and nowhere more than on the subcontinent.

    "Caucasian" is a term coined by Blumenbach for the hypothetical "primal race", based on a literal reading of Genesis; I´m afraid only Americans still use that nonsense.

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    , @Malla
    @White Men Can’t Jump


    Or, something easier for you – who were Aryans? They brought Sanskrit and Rg Veda to India. Were they so-called ‘Indo-Europeans’?
     
    Aryans were Indo-Europeans from Central Asia/ Ukraine region before they came to India/Persia. Rig Veda might have been written in India after coming here. Now it seems they might have been formed from European hunter gatherers.
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/viking-genomics/#comment-4169855
    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/russia-and-the-eu-business-as-usual-is-over/#comment-4242619

    Which modern language is the most similar to Sanskrit?
     
    North Indian languages as well as Persian/Dari and Balto Slavic languages.

    What is Indo and what is European in this meaningless term?
     
    It is not meaningless. A common population from Central Asia/Ukraine spread South to Middle East/South Asia to spread new cultures, genes and civilizations.

    What was their mythology?
     
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/heres/#comment-4034736

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  • @Malla
    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Idiot, Indo Europeans were White.

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    Who were Indo Europeans? Why they were Indo-Germanishe for 100 years before they became Indo-Europeans? Where they originated? Russian steppes? When they came to Europe? Whom they found in Europe? What is Indo and what is European in this meaningless term? How they influenced new European languages? Have they brought Sanskrit to India? Which modern language is the most similar to Sanskrit? What is their (IE) genetics (haplogroup-s)? What is the link btw Sanskrit and English or German if the time distance is more than 3000 years? What was their mythology? Etc, etc…

  • There is a problem when you falsify history, create a propaganda, and start believing that this is the truth. That is the case with ‘Westerners’, especially, so-called ‘Caucasians’. What does it mean ‘Caucasian’? Today’s ‘Westerners’ (W.Europe, N.America, Australia) mostly originated in Russian steppes and were not white. The oldest civilisations in Europe was Vincha (L.Vir, Danube, Old Europe) civilisation where white race originated. Those, I2 people, moved to the north of Europe and British Isles, where lived for more than 3000 years before R1b (future ‘westerners’) came from the steppes. R1b conducted genocides against indigenous people, killing more than 90% of men. There is also a historical falsification that they brought so-called ‘Indo-European’ (formerly Indo-Germanishe) language from which all Euro and some Asian languages were formed. The truth is that the future ‘Westerners’ mixed with locals, becoming white, and also took their local (for the sake of commenting, let’s call it – Serbian) language. This language was later brought by Aryans to South Asia as Sanskrit. Future ‘Westerners’ came to British Isles about 2500BC. From 100%, the percentage of indigenous I2 dropped to 5%. Some descendants of exterminated I2 are Chuck Norris, Bill Gates, US president Munro, Davy Crocket, Ted Dunson (so as Novak Djokovic and 40% of Serbs). In sum, I2 (Vincha) are indigenous Europeans who were white and spoke (proto)Serbian language (‘race’ is a Serbian word) for 9000 years before R1b came to Europe from Russian steppes. ‘Indo-European’ is a meaningless term.

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    @White Men Can’t Jump

    Idiot, Indo Europeans were White.

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