“Derbyshire’s assumed/implied natural alliance between East Asians and West Europeans is not at all obvious to me, and I would like to hear evidence for this that is beyond wishful thinking. (A good deal of evidence seems against it; see the odious Sarah Jeong affair of the past week). That is, I see no reason to believe that East Asians believe their interests coincide with ours.”

Sarah Jeong was educated by Western SJWs and exhibits the same mental disease as her white brethren. Newly arrived East Asian immigrants are actually more conservative both culturally and in American political terms. If more people came to this realization, East Asians would be solidly Republican instead of following their liberal white colleagues.

East Asians in the West are going to end up being the Jews of the 21st century.

Leftist whites don’t like them because Asian culture is inherently conservative and their success is embarrassing for the “oppressed POC” narrative. Rightist whites don’t like them because they aren’t white (unless they’re a charming and, hopefully, fair-skinned woman in which case they are a substitute for feminist white girls) and might have loyalties to the PRC. Hispanics and blacks hate and envy Asians, who are often the targets of brown hate crime.

As America becomes more socially and racially disharmonious, whites and non-EA POCs are likely to bully or attack East Asians, knowing them to have money, or simply because they’re annoying gook chinks or lackeys of the capitalists.

East Asians suck all this up because its not in their nature to complain or mobilize. Pretty much all politically engaged East Asian-Americans are shameless liberal virtue signalers like Eugene Gu or Sarah Jeong. Of course, there’s people like the photogenic pro-MAGA local candidate of New Mexico, Lisa Shin, or anti-communist writer Helen Raleigh, but these are outliers. I haven’t heard of any serious conservative Asian-American political organization, nor have I seen any particular efforts to win them over to the Right even though they would fit in nicely with their economic and cultural background.

I think that the current foolishness of today’s whites (and to a lesser extent NE Asians) is more reflective of the fact that in the West, there is too much decadence and liberalism, and Asia is too obsessed with inhuman state-run growth.

But these are both unconscious processes, exacerbated by the chaos of industrialization. As the current system destabilizes, ultimately the sensible whites and NE Asians will prevail and reform their communities along traditional lines.

In the USA and Western Europe, the locals will find it easier to split up their territory with the immigrants, which will lead to political balkanization as you have more diverse (and probably violent) places like New York, SoCal, and other rootless urban conglomerations, while white, Christian rural areas will push for independence or de facto independence.

A similar situation could happen in Europe, assuming that the whites there don’t mobilize in time to push the ME/African immigrants out systematically. I remember seeing on Vice a piece about a “Nazi” village in Germany that was very white and, as I inferred by reading between the lines, probably a stable, healthy community. As the crisis deepens, more of these communities could be formed in conservative redoubts.

But the only truly white countries left would be the robust nation-states of Eastern Europe. Russia is already too cosmopolitan, even though its national policies are in the main rather sensible. This is why, despite all its faults, China has a strong future awaiting it in the long term. No other country has so many productive, educationally inclined, and ethnically conscious people; no other country exhibits both the callousness of centralized policy and the demographic traits of a nation. Chinese cities are polluted, but they are still Chinese cities. The vast swathes of destitute Chinese migrant workers are not SE Asian or Indian or African, but come from largely the same stock as those who attend top universities.

On the language bit, some notion of China is fated to survive simply because its written language is completely unique and doesn’t get affected that much by the sounds coming out of people’s mouths.

Long after modern English, German, French, and Russian morph into intelligible dialects, the classics of Western literature will be preserved — in the uniformity and indivisibility of Han characters. Thusly they shall be appropriated into the corpus of “Chinese culture”

Very well put. The same thing was happening in Australia before Parliament took steps (not sure how effective) to counter it.

Yeah, I only read parts of the article.

This article misreads the character of the Chinese-American population. East Asians tend to follow the authority figures that are nearby, not the ones across the Pacific Ocean. They are also too focused on making money instead of doing political campaigning. If they get involved in politics at all, it’s only to vote. In today’s leftist political climate, affluent Chinese-Americans usually follow the cue of their white liberal coworkers, bosses, and friends and vote Democrat.

A political action by East Asian-Americans would be a massive flop. The message would be really boring and uninspiring, and would probably alienate the rest of their community (who just want to fit in and secure a good education and job for their kids), let alone gain any significant traction with mainstream politicians.

The way that Chinese actors influence American politics is through money, plain and simple.

Why not call them Ice Asians and Sun Asians? It’s an interesting topic.

China and Japan are both racially quite mixed. In China you have a huge amount of diversity especially in the mountainous areas located around and south of the Yangtze River, as those used to be inhabited by the Baiyue and other barbarians. The kingdom of Chu in the eastern Zhou period was a semi-barbarian state for centuries until its final assimilation in the Han period. “Pure” Chinese are probably a minority, living mostly in the northern provinces and Manchuria.

Japan is a mixture of Pacific islanders — that is, the native Jomon people — and the Yayoi immigrants from mainland Asia. If you look up these terms you can find picture contrasting two Japanese women who display their respective features. My guess is that the Yayoi are closely related to the “original” Chinese and Koreans. This would make sense since the Japanese suddenly developed agriculture and sophisticated government after the Yayoi arrived.

Koreans and Vietnamese both seem to be the result of settlers from China mixing with local tribes. Being long-time neighbors to Chinese empires has endowed them with an atmosphere of “civilized periphery” combined with a fierce, but misconceived ethnic nationalism. Contrast this with Japan, which is more geographically isolated and more confident in the independence of its own culture and ethnicity. Where Koreans and Vietnamese rebelliously abandoned Chinese writing (to the detriment of literacy and connection with their history), the Japanese retained kanji and are even expanding the number of characters required in public education.

“What did Asians/blacks/Jews invent? Nothing.”

The Chinese invented the basic technologies that the Europeans used to industrialize off of. Europeans naturally began to invent more things once the scientific revolution took off. But a fat lot of good this is doing the West, seeing that in exchange for rapid material progress, we also got political “progress” — atheism, communism, feminism, and all the lovely things that are destroying us.

Meanwhile East Asia (China, really) keeps the same writing that it used for 3,000 years, maintains roughly the same social structures, and keeps up a modest pace of technological advancement that doesn’t completely destabilize its civilization.

In 1,000 years, China is likely to still exist and show off its 6,000-year past while colonizing other planets. Germany, France, Britain? The US? They’ll be lucky if they end up in the official Chinese historical annals as anything other than “anarchic barbarians who let their nations be overrun by stronger barbarians.”

It’s a miracle Clinton didn’t win, or we’d have a veritable Jiang Qing in office to helm this throng of American Red Guards.

“last time I checked it wasn’t fascists (or even communists) that dropped napalm and agent orange on Vietnam”

As if napalm and Agent Orange make people more dead than, you know, hatchets to the skull. Which happened to plenty of Vietnamese villagers targeted by the Vietcong for the crime of accepting American aid.

By your logic, the US should have let Kim Il-sung overrun South Korea too.

IMO Russia just doesn’t have the hardcore respect for education and the scholarly class that China and the rest of East Asia do. Both Russia and China were (and are) negatively impacted by Communism, but their respective national characters have remained rather unchanged.

The relative importance of civil and martial skill is reversed in China respective to Russia.

Russians have a strong cult of national defense. Their historical experience makes it so that being able to do math or business always comes second to being able to — on a moment’s notice — go to the recruitment office and receive your marching orders.

Chinese by contrast have respected civil refinement over martial strength since at least the time of Confucius. Chinese are able to fight and die in large numbers for their country, but the cultural status of these heroes is about on the same level as peasants.

It takes more intelligence to be a teacher or a businessman than it does to be a good soldier, so Chinese people overall, no matter what their social class, try to teach their children to be smarter and sharper lest they be stuck in the village forever. If they can’t study well then at least they will try to go into business. But low-class Russians are fine with drinking, doing drugs, or otherwise not working or improving themselves.

There is also more intact patriarchy in China which indirectly provides young Chinese with a better educational environment.