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    Why the disparity between white leftists and non-whites on the question of political dissolution? White liberals--especially Jews--are strongly opposed while the POC ascendancy is relatively supportive. White conservatives fall in between the beleaguered and the ascendant ends of the leftist demographic spectrum: This bugman does not want secession (via krusty): Even without having looked at...
  • @Anonymous
    John Adams was talking about the War of 1812. The majority of colonials supported the War of Independence, they would not have won otherwise, in John Adams section of New England almost everyone did.

    Replies: @Stodgy White Guy

    I looked up the “True Blue” quote by Adams, to be sure I hadn’t misremembered the context. It was not about the War of 1812, but the Continental Congress in Philadelphia. Still, I should acknowledge and correct my previous statement that he was referring to the sentiments of the American people at large. Still, at least in theory the delegates represented the interests of their home colonies, and were probably more pro-Revolutionary than the average simply for their willingness to attend an assembly of traitors.

  • @Corvinus
    "This bugman does not want secession".

    As do 55.8% in the poll. The devil is in the details. Sure, a full-blown, half-decade Great Depression 2, may change public perception, but I wait with bated breath for this doomsday scenario to play out.

    Meanwhile, the reality is that there is a small part of the American population who hype up how secession is a viable option. Highly dubious to say the least.

    "In contemporary America, non-deviant heterosexual white men are public enemy number one."

    In the minds of radical feminists and their non-white toadies, absolutely. In the real world, not really. Everyday, normie men puncture through this narrative everyday by working alongside women and minorities, having social gatherings with them, and even hooking up with them, without the drama and legal hoopla. Normie men need not be virtue signaled to death regarding how they how to act as men, or how other than masculine is their behavior.

    Replies: @Stodgy White Guy

    Raw proportions can be informative, but also misleading. To take the example of the US in the Revolutionary War, John Adams, iirc, stated that maybe a third of Americans strongly favored Independence (ie, secession from the British empire). Granted, there were no scientific polls, but he was a smart guy, and had little reason to lie.

    To a certain degree, it depends how much would-be secessionists want secession, versus how much Unionists want to preserve the Union. White Boomers are economically comfortable (on average), and sentimentally attached to the idea of America as a united whole. I tend to think most people vote their economic interests (exceptions aside), but if you want to see what people are willing to put more on the line for, sentiment is a lot more important.

    I think in the near future, sentiment will favor secession, while economic self-interest may or may not favor a continued Union. Which one will prove more salient depends on circumstances we can’t reasonably predict.

    “In the real world, not really”
    The political realm is part of the real world. Academia is part of the real world. Media is part of the real world. It’s absolutely true there. To be generous, I’ll rate your claim 50% true.

    “Hooking up with them”
    Sarah Jeong supposedly enjoyed the White d, and look what she says.

    Anecdotally, plenty of AR types I know currently work with nonwhites, and have socialized with or even dated nonwhites in the past. Granted, not a representative sample blah blah blah, but enough cases to see a pattern.

  • @Anonymous
    The physiognomy is real narrative is just so much disguised defecation.

    One, can one imagine Napoleon trying to pick up a blitzing linebacker like Clay Mathews or an on-rushing defensive lineman like Khalil Mack?

    Two, can one imagine Napoleon going into the octagon against Rhonda Rhousy? She would destroy him.

    Three, can one imagine Napoleon going mano-y-mano with Peter the Great? Saddam Hussein? Orenthal James Simpson? Barry Bonds? Frank Thomas? George Foreman? Cassius Clay? Hulk Hogan? Gronk? David Ortiz? Castro? Jim Brown? Lebron? Wilt Chamberlain? Stalin? Tatanka Iyotake?

    Four, identifying with the likes of Napoleon, a mass murdering midget, in some quest to vindicate one's masculinity, is vomitatious alt-right virtue signaling. Not very becoming.

    Liberty Mike

    Replies: @Stodgy White Guy

    “Rhonda Rousey….would destroy Napoleon”

    Which Napoleon? Young soldier Napoleon, or old, sedentary Napoleon? Yes, an unusually athletic woman in her physical prime and who is physically active can probably beat up a middle aged or old man who is sedentary. But we’re not really comparing apples to apples, then.

    Incidentally, I knew a guy in Middle School whose grandfather was Corsican, and who claimed to be somehow disttantly related to Napoleon. Guy was a real scrapper, and beat up a kid who liked to shove and pinch other kids. I got along well with him, and we’d have a lot of spergy conversations about history.

  • Smarmy little pissants like Atkins will be learning the facts of life real fast when their erstwhile allies no longer need them. Hell, some haven’t even bothered waiting, what with Ocasio-Cortez and her ilk already decided D party leadership is too White male (soon to just be Too White, period). Maybe the ones who are in tech and can afford the fee can pay a Mexican gang for protection, but there are no guarantees there.

    IHTG,
    I think that in multikult America, much as in Mexico, nothing changes much – until it does. To be honest, I thought Trump’s election would be the spark that would ignite, if not a full-blown civil war, at least a major disruption to the existing political order. Of course, Trump has, for the most part, governed as a standard Republican with a slightly tougher line on illegals and a slightly less enthusiastic attitude towards foreign interventions, so we’ve gotten the same old “[insert Rep pol’s name here] is a racist, we are the resistance, etc.” from the left, while Republicans have just curled up in a ball and taken it.

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  • Political dissolution is an idea whose time has come. Advocating it a decade ago was met with mockery even from many of those on the dissident right. No longer. A few years ago, Pat Buchanan began talking about it. Now it's entering mainstream discourse. From New York Magazine (via IHTG): There is no longer any...
  • One interesting conjecture is how dissolution would alter politics in the newly formed states. There is an often an implicit assumption that their politics would remain the same as they were in America as a whole. But this seems unlikely to me: political alignments exist in a context, and when the context changes, alignments also change. The South isn’t some bastion of economic libertarianism, for example, as indicated by Southerners’ willingness to enthusiastically support FDR.

    Wrt immigration, I could see, for example, Hispanics in the hypothetical Independent Republic of California suddenly being very selective about who they let in. I definitely think they would object to letting in masses of poor blacks from the Dixie Confederation, and possibly even other Hispanics who see their fortunes turn. As ethnic disaggregation resolves, my guess is that White Republicans in their splinter states would become less attached to economic libertarianism, although that is a trend already happening. When most of their fellow citizens are of similar racial and ethnic character, universal government healthcare will suddenly seem a much easier pill to swallow. I think that The (((Usual Suspects))) will continue doing more or less what they do now, although their effective territory would be reduced to the Independent City State of New Zion (fmrly New York, fmrly New Amsterdam). They might develop more immigration skepticism, and they would probably get over their aversion to Israelis being icky xenophobes and form a strong alliance over their shared ethnic roots.

  • @Anonymous
    Splitting up would only last like 5 months until red state refugees would clamor ro get into Blue states.

    Red states have lower incomes are net tax consumers have high murder rates lower educational attainment and generally kind of suck

    Replies: @Stodgy White Guy

    The “Red State Refugees” would be disproportionately Blue voters.

  • Tbh, the overlords of the late USSR were probably less vindictive than the ones in charge here. Still, political dissolution will probably be the only way forward for the US that doesn’t end in neo-Brazil. Hopefully the Senate can be held by Republicans for the foreseeable future, since the other constituents of the empire might be more inclined to go along with secession or partition if the alternative is perpetual gridlock.

  • The following graph shows the percentages of GSS respondents who have experienced poor mental health ("stress, depression, and problems with emotions") in the last thirty days by sex and by whether or not they use Twitter (N = 800): Steve Sailer, we have your answer if you'll allow us to modify your question a bit....
  • I can’t speak to its effects on mental health, but I know Twitter isn’t good for my blood pressure.

  • From the refreshingly candid Forward, months before the fraudulent accusations were brought against Kavanaugh, we got The Jewish Case Against Brett Kavanaugh: A Supreme Court majority shaped by Donald Trump means that the most vulnerable among us — immigrants, women, Muslim Americans, people of color, LGBTQ Americans, and yes, Jews too — will be at...
  • @Gabriel M
    To be honest, I started this doing some pretty good trolling by inverting thoughtless WN memes and at this point I'm probably just trolling myself. Mental note: when debating whites, only talk to the talented tenth, no exceptions.

    Seriously, though, I regularly get exposed to two totally incompatible narratives. In one, Jews turned up in America and started pozzing whites with their ridiculous and yet oddly irresistible leftist arguments. In the the other American Jews are brainwashed prisoners (the term we use to refer to them in Hebrew literally means 'captive children') of people who created a fake Judaism consisting of anti-Jewish teachings and practices, many of whom are literally fake Jews.

    Obviously, both narratives are incomplete, and in dealing with the two groups I generally try to broaden their perspective. The more I think about it, however, the more I think the first isn't just incomplete, it's flat out wrong. The more Jewish a Jew is, the less likely they are to promote Leftism. If that isn't obvious, frankly, I don't know what is.

    Replies: @Issac, @Stodgy White Guy

    In Narrative 1, you omitted the part where Jews insinuate themselves into and eventually take control of institutions, such as the media and university social science departments, which have historically had a key role in forming the opinions of the populace. The second narrative is one that exists entirely in your neurotic Jewish mind.

  • @Gabriel M
    Both identify as Jews and have Jewish parents.

    No Jewish mother, no Jewish conversion = NOT JEWISH. You can identify as a leprous chicken if you want, but it doesn't make it so. The relentless efforts of white people to impersonate Jews and create fake )))Jewish movements((( in order to subvert and undermine the Jewish people from within is obviously difficult for you to deal with, but that's your problem. We Jews are not vindictive though. If you are willing to stop, then we will let bygones be bygones.

    Replies: @Stodgy White Guy

    “We Jews are not vindictive though”
    Jews hate Whites so much for what some Whites, who were at the time at war with most other Whites, allegedly did before most people today were even born, that they are trying to wipe out every White nation through mass immigration. The Jews are a group of people absolutely defined by their ability to hold a grudge. Hell, the Talmud exhorts Jews to exterminate the descendants of the Amalekites, a tribe they wiped out thousands of years ago.

  • @Gabriel M
    @Anonynmous

    Pelosi isn't Jewish, but Tim Wise isn't Jewish either. What difference does it make? The point isn't to understand reality, the point is to exculpate Anglo-whites for inventing liberalism and exporting it around the world by blaming one of their more zealous converts. White Nationalism more or less inevitably ends ups blaming the Jews for everything because it is the most obvious way of getting round the elephant in the room, namely that White identity is liberalism and that White Nationalism is just an earlier sightly more realistic form of liberalism.

    Once you realise this a lot of things make sense. For example, why do WNs bang on endlessly about Jewish hypocrisy with regard to nationalism? It's not a totally untrue point, but it's hardly earth-shattering and is so transparently exaggerated by splicing together opinions by different people with different opinions. Well, just look around and you find that whites generally support immigration controls in their own countries based on unprincipled exceptions, but fiercely oppose it for others.* Israel is almost the only country in the world where 50% (i.e. 70% of Jews) support Trump's border wall. Even Hungarians oppose Trump's wall and Poland opposes it by more than 3 to 1. WNs simply can't cope with reality so they blame Jews. As borderline-Jewish Trump would say SAD.

    As a P.S. here is a quote I happened to come across yesterday by a Jewish academic in America named Daniel Boyarin.

    More piercing to me is the pain of watching a tradition, my Judaism, to which I have dedicated my life, disintegrating before my eyes. It has been said by many Christians that Christianity died at Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Sobibor. I fear, God forbid, that my Judaism may be dying at Nablus, Deheishe, Betein (Bethel), and El-Khalil (Hebron). The violent actions taken in the name of defense may help some Jewish bodies survive (and even that dubiously, temporarily, momentarily), but they threaten to empty Jewish experience of all meaning ...


    Think about that for a minute. Boyarin's ancestors spent 2,000 years hanging on to their faith and national identity in the face of enormous temptations to give in, only to have as their heir this monumental faggot with not even the faintest trace of authentic Judaism left in his withered liberal soul. And he's hardly an outlier. American liberalism (i.e. the only authentic American tradition) has stolen more from the Jewish people than any hostile movement in history.

    *http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/worldwide-few-confident-in-trump-or-his-policies/

    Replies: @Stodgy White Guy, @Stodgy White Guy

    “Oy vey why did these goyim infect us with liberalism”
    The ((())) cries out in pain as he strikes you.

  • @Gabriel M
    @Anonynmous

    Pelosi isn't Jewish, but Tim Wise isn't Jewish either. What difference does it make? The point isn't to understand reality, the point is to exculpate Anglo-whites for inventing liberalism and exporting it around the world by blaming one of their more zealous converts. White Nationalism more or less inevitably ends ups blaming the Jews for everything because it is the most obvious way of getting round the elephant in the room, namely that White identity is liberalism and that White Nationalism is just an earlier sightly more realistic form of liberalism.

    Once you realise this a lot of things make sense. For example, why do WNs bang on endlessly about Jewish hypocrisy with regard to nationalism? It's not a totally untrue point, but it's hardly earth-shattering and is so transparently exaggerated by splicing together opinions by different people with different opinions. Well, just look around and you find that whites generally support immigration controls in their own countries based on unprincipled exceptions, but fiercely oppose it for others.* Israel is almost the only country in the world where 50% (i.e. 70% of Jews) support Trump's border wall. Even Hungarians oppose Trump's wall and Poland opposes it by more than 3 to 1. WNs simply can't cope with reality so they blame Jews. As borderline-Jewish Trump would say SAD.

    As a P.S. here is a quote I happened to come across yesterday by a Jewish academic in America named Daniel Boyarin.

    More piercing to me is the pain of watching a tradition, my Judaism, to which I have dedicated my life, disintegrating before my eyes. It has been said by many Christians that Christianity died at Auschwitz, Treblinka, and Sobibor. I fear, God forbid, that my Judaism may be dying at Nablus, Deheishe, Betein (Bethel), and El-Khalil (Hebron). The violent actions taken in the name of defense may help some Jewish bodies survive (and even that dubiously, temporarily, momentarily), but they threaten to empty Jewish experience of all meaning ...


    Think about that for a minute. Boyarin's ancestors spent 2,000 years hanging on to their faith and national identity in the face of enormous temptations to give in, only to have as their heir this monumental faggot with not even the faintest trace of authentic Judaism left in his withered liberal soul. And he's hardly an outlier. American liberalism (i.e. the only authentic American tradition) has stolen more from the Jewish people than any hostile movement in history.

    *http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/worldwide-few-confident-in-trump-or-his-policies/

    Replies: @Stodgy White Guy, @Stodgy White Guy

    Jewish “liberalism”, more accurately called Cultural Marxism, explicitly rejects most classically liberal values. Saying that Jews are equivalent to “Anglo-American” liberals is like claiming that Democrats Are the Real Racists because they share a label with a party that supported segregation in the past.

  • Heartiste: Relatedly, the move towards miscegenation--more than 1-in-10 babies in born in the US today are mixed race--could be perceived, subconsciously or otherwise, as a way of protecting offspring. A white woman seeded by a POC will have a child contemporary American culture views as a POC. The one-drop rule gives a white parent a...
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  • Almost as outrageous as the gross overrepresentation of white men in leadership positions in the Democrat party is the enormous home field advantage white society privileges itself with in the presidential nominating process. The US is 60.7% white. But Iowa is 85.7% white and New Hampshire a staggering 90.5% white. We have to go all...
  • Of course, the shitlib response is that it’s terrible – that New Hampshire and Iowa are allowed to even be majority White in The Current Year.

  • Vox Day recently disputed the notion that ZOG is a result of high Jewish IQ. In so doing, he's drawing swords with the likes of Gregory Cochran, Charles Murray, and Stephen Pinker. To atrociously mix metaphors, that prices me way out of the cognitive market, so I won't comment on the merits or demerits of...
  • The Jewish Race is a social construct, and therefore does not exist. Why do so many Jews get worked up about the Holocaust specifically? It’s humans killing humans, just like the Holodomor, the Katyn Massacre, and the liquidation of the kulaks. There’s more genetic variation within the Jewish “race”. Than between Jews and Gentiles. But people who think they are Jewish insist on following a racial supremacist ideology, as detailed in the Talmud. To solve the problem of institutional worldwide racism, we need to promote mass immigration into Jewish areas, and only Jewish areas. Jews need to blanda upp.

  • Revisiting a poll from a few years ago reinforces my belief that the US is headed for political dissolution within the lifetimes of most people reading this. In the latter part of 2014, Reuters-Ipsos asked a huge number of respondents (N = 16,668) if they supported or opposed "your state peacefully withdrawing from the USA...
  • Additionally, I think nonwhite youth (and possibly White youth, though the stigma of “racism” may work against it) would be even more supportive of a hypothetical breakup along racial lines. A mestizo in Texas or a black in Alabama may not want their state to secede, since they might, rightly or wrongly, fear being stuck in a state run by “racist” Whites.

  • Pan-secessionism, of the sort advocated by Ryan Faulk of The Alternative Hypothesis, does have a unique advantage over all other proposed solutions to the problem of American identity, in that it can theoretically marshal the support of groups that would normally side with the political center to oppose a White Nationalist or even milquetoast civic nationalist movement.

  • From recently released FBI hate crime statistics, we find the number of white hate crime (HC) offenders declined by 3.0% from 2015 to 2016 while the number of black hate crime offenders grew by 15.2% over the same time period. Similarly, the number of anti-White hate crime incidents increased 14.9% between 2015 and 2016 while...
  • @DissidentRight
    That is gold sir. Trump effect: whites give up on hate, blacks declare its not okay to be white.

    Replies: @Stodgy White Guy

    Looks like Obama's parting gift to White Americans.