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    Hyperbolic much? At this point, the burden of proof surely now has to be on the optimists, who've been alternately barraging us with "iTs JuSt LiKe ThE fLu", and/or "it's not going to kill non-East Asians anyway" (not that CNN's Sanjay Gupta will admit it). But with epidemics, it's usually a case of go big...
  • @reiner Tor
    @utu

    Pizza is very good in Northern Italy, but it’s like shit in the USA. How could it be adopted in Northern Italy from the USA, if North Italian pizza is more similar to South Italian pizza than to the American version?

    Replies: @utu, @Staedtler, @RadicalCenter, @AnonFromTN

    No, utu is correct. What we call pizza today originates in Southern Italy, I believe specifically Naples. Southern Italian immigrants brought it to the US, where it developed into its modern form and became popular. It then became popular throughout the world through US influence.

    A lot of what’s known and popular as “Italian food” throughout the world is actually Italian American food originating in southern Italian cuisine. Besides pizza, there are dishes like spaghetti and meatballs that native Italians in Italy don’t eat but that are popular as Italian food in places like Latin America and Asia because of American influence.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Staedtler

    Most pasta dishes in general seem to be an Italian-American invention. In my experience it's difficult to find pasta as a main meal in a non-touristy restaurant in Italy.

    Replies: @Agathoklis

    , @anonymous coward
    @Staedtler


    A lot of what’s known and popular as “X country food” throughout the world is actually American food originating in someplace that doesn't matter.
     
    Fix't it for you. Same goes for "Chinese", "Japanese", "Mexican", etc., food.

    I think (but I'm not sure) that the only kind of food that doesn't ultimately originate as American fast food is Vietnamese.

    That doesn't make Vietnam into some sort of "soft power" heavyweight, of course.

    "Power" is controlled violence by another name; making money by selling fast food franchises, children's books and celebrity photos isn't "power".
    , @Dmitry
    @Staedtler

    You respond to this user Reiner Tor. He is actually Southern or Central European and his country had as Austro-Hungary border with Italy until 1918, and the Italians conquered some of their cities.

    Of course, most Italian food, ingredients and products, in his country (and still now) will arrive there directly from Italian states, which had always been very influential and exporting in that region of Europe. In addition, the national cuisines of his country seems to have many parallel recipes to Italian ones - but you can ask him about it.

    The idea that Italian cuisine he eats, is something to do with some immigrants from Italy that lived in America, is rather silly.

    As for the pizza which is popular in Northern Italy - it's the one from Napoli, which is different than what is most popular in America. So it's just an indigenous Italian pizza, and there is a limit to American jingoism in this area.

    The place where your argument would be more sensible is in relation to Spain. In Spain, they are mainly eating American style pizza (including good ones in restaurants, but also unfortunately - Domino's Pizza).

  • As of this February, there is a 90% chance that the US President come 2021 will be Trump, Bernie, or Bloomberg. One of whom has been branded a Russian "asset" for the past 5 years. One of whom spent his honeymoon in the USSR. One of whom publicly sympathized with Russia's incorporation of Crimea back...
  • @prime noticer
    if communist Sanders can be President, then what was the point of the Cold War? serious question with much broader implications and scope. is some form of Communism the default state for a lot of humans? is it some kind of mind virus - one of the most contagious ever created? what is the defense? are we doomed to forever be resisting this stuff? the "It couldn't happen here" boomers are clearly wrong - the US is very evidently headed in some kind of far leftist direction.

    intelligence is not necessarily any defense. ethnic homogeneity is not necessarily any defense. most of the east asian nations fell to communism. it came in from the north, and wiped out it's opponents. only one outside group was able to try to come in and stop it. sometimes they did, sometimes they weren't able to.

    what is the defense? ultra hardcore germanic demographics seem to be the only thing that can stop it. once those slip, the communism can come in. the ultra germanic version of the US was, largely, the only nation that waged the Cold War against the communists. and to a lesser extent, the germanic UK. you won't be able to count on the other europeans much. and, the "It couldn't happen here" germanic boomers in the US are deliberately being replaced by their political enemies, specifically so the "It couldn't happen here" DOES happen here. once the germanic population base declines, it seems inevitable what happens next politically.

    Replies: @another anon, @Staedtler, @Korenchkin, @Daniel Chieh, @dfordoom

    This is a very historically illiterate view.

    Socialism has a long tradition in the UK since the English Civil War, and arguably going back even further to Wat Tyler in the Middle Ages. In the 19th century you had prominent socialist reformers and thinkers such as Owen and Mill, and then Fabianism and the Labour party and the trade union movement in the 20th century.

    Socialism also has a tradition in Germany as Spengler shows in his book “Prussianism and Socialism”.

    As far as whether socialism is a default state of sorts, obviously it’s one of the basic default forms of economic and social organization. Households are generally run along socialist lines, and household management is the origin of economics and the meaning of the word “economics” in Greek. Many organizations are run internally along socialist lines.

    • Agree: Swedish Family
    • Replies: @Swedish Family
    @Staedtler


    As far as whether socialism is a default state of sorts, obviously it’s one of the basic default forms of economic and social organization. Households are generally run along socialist lines, and household management is the origin of economics and the meaning of the word “economics” in Greek. Many organizations are run internally along socialist lines.
     
    Indeed, and to add to your examples, historians often see the Russian mir system as a stepping stone toward the rise of Russian socialism in the 19th century.
  • Hyperbolic much? At this point, the burden of proof surely now has to be on the optimists, who've been alternately barraging us with "iTs JuSt LiKe ThE fLu", and/or "it's not going to kill non-East Asians anyway" (not that CNN's Sanjay Gupta will admit it). But with epidemics, it's usually a case of go big...
  • @Dmitry
    @Staedtler

    English culture is very popular in many many different countries. Harry Potter dominates children of all developed countries, and anything like Pink Floyd or Beatles or even is still popular with millions of adults in all kinds of countries. For example, in Japan, not only Beatles is still the most fashionable thing, but even Beatrix Potter.

    Replies: @Staedtler

    Yes, Harry Potter is popular around the world. But that’s mainly because of the Hollywood movies made by Warner Bros.

    The Beatles et al are mainly popular because of the British Invasion i.e. because they became popular in the US first.

    Very few Japanese are likely to have heard of Beatrix Potter.

    • Replies: @utu
    @Staedtler

    "The Beatles et al are mainly popular because of the British Invasion i.e. because they became popular in the US first." - Exactly. Just like pizza: S. Italy ---> the US ---> the World including N. Italy.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    , @reiner Tor
    @Staedtler

    Harry Potter books had a wide readership in Hungary before the movies already.

    , @Europe Europa
    @Staedtler

    The Beatles were so long ago that they are hardly a reflection of modern British soft power, same with the popularity of Monty Python in many countries.

    British soft power seems to be based on the past, it doesn't seem to be being renewed.

    , @Dmitry
    @Staedtler

    No, Harry Potter is popular because of books written by J.K. Rowling, while in London. It's not popular because of America.

    For example, in Russia, millenials (and even Generation Z) love Harry Potter books, while the films are also very popular, but not to the same amount as the books.

    Beatrix Potter is most popular in Japan, especially with young Japanese women.

    Beatles are not popular because of America - they are popular because of the melodies. And all kinds of other English pop music similarly. For example, often its more popular in Japan than in America.

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    As for the best American culture, sometimes it's more popular outside America, than inside America (for example, note how many great Jazz albums are produced and released only in Japan, and then American jazz fans have to order them from Japan). It's not spread by advertising, but rather by its intrinsic value.

    Replies: @songbird

  • @JUSA
    @Hail

    China has zero soft power. Most people around the world don't much like the Chinese, even in Asia. They are known for their bad manners, bad English and dishonesty the world over. By refusing to ground all outbound flights back in January and continuing to export this virus everywhere, if the coronavirus gets worse in lawless places like India, Mideast or Africa, ethnic Chinese (or even all East or Southeast Asians) can quickly become targets of violence. They are already targets of racism in Europe with people covering their faces when they're near Asian people on trains etc. It doesn't matter how much soft power Japan and Korea has, most people can't tell the difference so China is making all Asians look bad.

    The only good thing that could come out of this pandemic is the end of globalism, and hopefully, cutting international travels by at least 50%, esp. to/from Asia.

    Replies: @Hail, @Staedtler, @JUSA

    I don’t know that they’re more hated than Americans are. In much of the world, if you’re identified as an American, you’ll be targeted with violence. This is why Americans are told to say they’re Canadian instead in much of the world.

    Even in Europe, there’s a strong undercurrent of anti-Americanism, despite cultural similarity. And as America becomes less European, cultural similarity with Europe will decline, and Europeans will dislike Americans even more.

  • @JUSA
    @Europe Europa

    Britain still has enormous soft power around the world, esp. in their former colonies. British lit from Shakespeare to Jane Austen to modern day Harry Potter continue to be popular and well read in the US and the world.

    British movies like Harry Potter, James Bond, Sherlock Holmes, King's Speech, British TV shows like Downton Abbey, Masterpiece Theater, British pop stars like Adele, Coldplay, actors like Emma Watson, Emma Thompson, Helena Bonham Carter, Jude Law, Keira Knightly, Colin Firth, Michael Caine, Ian McKellen, Jeremy Irons, Maggie Smith, Judi Dench, Pierce Brosnan, Daniel Craig, Daniel Day Lewis, Anthony Hopkins, Helen Mirren and many others are household names in the US and popular the world over. Even in the world of sports, David Beckham and Lewis Hamilton are well known the world over.

    The Royal Family continues to be very popular in the US and the world. Both Prince William and Prince Harry's weddings were widely watched in the US and the world. The BBC accent continues to be regarded as the most proper form of English by most people in the world.

    Replies: @Staedtler

    British pop culture is biggest in Ireland and Australia and New Zealand. Elsewhere, it’s mostly known by piggybacking on Hollywood and the US market. Most British pop culture and figures are known in the US and elsewhere because they appear in Hollywood productions. Most Americans and people around the world would have no idea who Daniel Craig was if he wasn’t in Hollywood’s James Bond movies.

    American English is the form of English that’s generally taught and studied around the world. That’s generally the accent that’s in demand among English teachers.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Staedtler

    English culture is very popular in many many different countries. Harry Potter dominates children of all developed countries, and anything like Pink Floyd or Beatles or even is still popular with millions of adults in all kinds of countries. For example, in Japan, not only Beatles is still the most fashionable thing, but even Beatrix Potter.

    Replies: @Staedtler

  • @JUSA
    @Europe Europa

    Soft power usually comes after a country reaches OECD status, i.e. when it has satisfied its basic needs. People in the world don't usually look up to or try to emulate poor peasants and beggars. Also most countries in the world do not have soft power due to language barriers. Name one famous entertainer or recent movie from Scandinavia, France or Germany? English is the only true lingua franca of the world.

    Japan's soft power comes from its food, not too many are familiar with their pop stars or movie stars.

    K-pop only succeeds because it blindly apes US pop music. Nothing original comes out of Korea, a Hyundai looks like a Mercedes, a Kia looks like a Toyota, Samsung phones all look like iPhones. Now even their pop music looks like carbon copies of US pop music, and their pop stars all have massive plastic surgery to try to look as Western as possible.

    Replies: @Europe Europa, @Staedtler

    Korean drama TV shows and movies are quite different from US Hollywood productions in content and style. They originally became very popular along with K-pop in other Asian countries because of culturally similarity.

    Nowadays, in most Asian countries and many other countries, they have their own domestic media entertainment or are into other Asian media such as Korean shows and music.

    American pop music and films don’t dominate like they used to. The biggest Hollywood blockbusters like superhero movies are popular, but the more regular movies and pop music are most popular in the Anglosphere and European countries with good English speakers.