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    In response to Ron Unz’s “The Remarkable Historiography of David Irving”, this note will pick up on and elucidate the reader-comment to that from James N. Kennett, which stated: “It seemed to me that the problem with his work was not the possible inaccuracy of the details that he included – but the things he...
  • @j2
    @Wizard of Oz

    Wizard of Oz writes:
    "PS I wonder if any of those marched West were put to work?"

    Assuming they were capable of working they were put to work as there was a work duty in Germany and many other prisoners were taken for forced work.

    "As you are putting details together I presume conscientiously allow me just to nitpick over the suggestion that marching prisoners to the west rather than leaving them to await the Soviets negates the intention to kill Jews as such."

    No, but the willingness of the prisoners to go with Germans indicates that they feared Soviet camps more than German camps.

    The issue is that in those times concentration camps, as well as POW camps, had very high death rates. In Finland, where nobody was gassed, 29% of Russian POWs died in POW camps of 64,000, in Northern Finland were German POW camps for Russians, they were smaller and in the beginning better manages, 24% died of 9,000. Germans had some 200 Jews in these camps, they were given dirtier jobs, but they were not killed, though the camp manager was a person who was earlier in Central European camps and is currently known as a butcher. In Soviet POW camps death rates were much higher. Very for German POWs returned. We can consider about 27% as a typical death rate in camps in German camps in the Eastern Europe.

    I calculated from demographic figures that 1 million Jews died in Western Europe and Western Poland outside the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia (where Germans shot 60,000) and Romania (in their camps died some 130,000). Of these some 730,000 died in camps and ghettos (German camps 0.3, Theresienstadt 0.03, work camps and ghettos in Poland, 0.17, Warsaw ghetto uprising 0.008, Chelmno 0.1, Majdanek 0.059, Auschwitz 0.06. Germans transported from the West 1.2M and captured about 1.7M form West Poland. That is 2.9M. The death rate is about 25%, the same as in German run POW camps in Northern Finland, from which we have a good study by Lars Westerlund, 2008, Tammi. You may question the figure for Auschwitz, but as it anyway cannot be higher than 400,000 meaning that the Holocaust narrative is wrong, the best figure is from Red Cross, UK MI5 and Auschwitz death books and I use that estimate.

    When you talk about death marches you mean transportation of prisoners from these camps to Germany. You do not mean transportation of Jews from Sobibor, Treblinka, Belzec or further to the East, since you claim that these Jews were all killed. You mean transportation of prisoners to Germany from camps that had the death rate 25% during the war. This is exactly similar to the transportation of prisoners from German POW camps from Northern Finland to Norway in 1944-45 when Finland had made a peace and had to expel Germans out of Finland. We do not know what happened to the 200 or so Jews, but other prisoners at least were taken to Norway. It is quite possible that they were shot there, or maybe they were taken to Germany. Probably Germans took these prisoners with them because releasing POWs in a war means releasing enemies who will try to kill you. So, they were not given a choice to wait for Soviets.

    But the Jews were given a choice to wait for Soviets, so they were not seen as so dangerous and they were not seen as so essential for economy. Then, why Hitler wanted to move them to the East? Surely not in order to create a Jewish state in Ukraine. Hitler planned German settlements to the Baltic countries and Ukraine. If Hitler had planned to settle Jews to Eastern Europe, he would have settled them around Lublin area, as was one plan, but that plan was fake. Jews were to be moved out of Europe, that is why they were moved in the first place. First Hitler made the Haavara agreement that 60,000 German Jews could take their property in the form of German equipment and build some working infrastructure to Palestine. If they moved elsewhere, they lost most of the property. Then Hitler moved the Jews to camps and transported them to Eastern Europe and did not kill them in Auschwitz, where there were all those crematoria, but wanted to take 1.45M to the Eastern border camps, where there were no such crematoria equipment. What sense does it make?

    But it makes a lot of sense if Hitler wanted to move Jews to Palestine and an accepted, even necessary, part of this messianic plan was that 1/3 or 2/3 would die as a sacrifice, to satisfy the orthodox expectations of the great persecution and cleansing with fire (holocaust), as there had to be. Some 1.3M were taken to Ukraine through the Operation Reinhard camps, and maybe also through Chelmno. They were to be taken to Palestine after the war to create Israel. Indeed, Hitler probably thought he was 1/4 Jewish, which is what the enemy of the Jews should be, a Jew, yet not-a-Jew. Benjamite.

    This is my argument and now you say that after having done a genocide against Jews and almost exterminating them, Germans decided that let's take these remaining Jews to Germany so that nobody will know anything. They did not think that these Jews would testify against them, being so stupid Germans. But as it is that only 25% had died of these western Jews, Germans had nothing to be afraid of. If there was a Holocaust, it was in the East. That is where the Jews were: 1.45M were taken to Operation Reinhard camps and assuming Soviet Jewish figures for 1939 in AJY are correct, there were 4.23M Jews in the East. Together 5.68M. Forget Auschwitz, you have the Jews right here. Of them survived in the SU 2M and some hundred thousands came to DP camps after 1946. We do not know what happened, but assume 1-1.5M were left on the area and Germans shot them. Then Germans killed most of the 1.45M. Then some 0.5M died in Soviet camps. Or it was a bit different.

    Anyway, your comment on death marches potentially being a cover-up for the atrocities is rather far fetched. It did not cover-up anything, instead Germans left the witnesses alive. Where are BTW the remains of Jews, who were burned all the way in improvised furnaces during these marches? I would more like imagine that many escaped during the night.

    Replies: @jilles dykstra, @SolontoCroesus, @SomeGuy

    Could you post a link to your computations and sources?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    @SomeGuy

    Yes, that would be good.

    , @j2
    @SomeGuy

    For the link see comments 431 and 475.

    A note of the sources: I did not mark the sources as for an academic treatise as I did this just to myself. The main source for the population figures is American Jewish Committee Yearbooks and I made two corrections from other sources (Half of German and Austrian Jews migrated. The Romanian figure was reduced. Neither matter for Auschwitz, since the number Germans transported from the West is fairly well known and so is the Jewish population of Western Poland and so are German transports from East to West in Poland/Baltic.) Figures for deaths in work camps I searched from the web from a list and then looked at each camp from the web. The list was some earlier version of this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazi_concentration_camps

    I tried to take a reasonable lower bound for all other camps (like 59,000 to Majdanek) to have more deaths to Auschwitz and derived the upper bound for Auschwitz as 400,000. One can make a more precise estimation of deaths. The starting point is that about 3M could be in Western Poland, about 1.45M went to Operation Reinhard camps and at least 0.1 to Chelmno and 0.06 to Majdanek, 0.41M survived in camps, 0.08M Polish Jews were not caught. That is 3-2.1=0.9M left to Auschwitz and all work camps and ghettos in Poland (0.17M), camps outside Poland (0.33M). To get the 0.4M upper bound for Auschwitz, subtract 0.5M. You cannot get 0.9M to 1-1.5M by any change to the other camps and they cannot have zero death rates. I think these are reasonable.

    To get Auschwitz to 0.06M, reduce 0.1M Polish Jews who came from the East to DP camps after the war, some 0.05M who died in the attack of 1939 and terror after it, increase Chelmno to 0.15M and reduce the estimate for Polish Jews in 1939 by 0.14M, but these modifications can be questioned, so I do not do them.

  • @Wally
    @SomeGuy

    See my post no. 210 in this thread about the fake 'Table Talk', and
    my post no. 73 which shatters the fake Eichmann nonsense.


    Cheers.

    www.codoh,com

    Replies: @SomeGuy

    The Eichmann interrogation statement is clearly unreliable.

    Perhaps the statements from Table Talk are too. However, my point was that the statements taken together provide significantly more support for a plan of forced removal of Jews from the German sphere.

    So, granting the validity of the statements does not help Zuesse’s case, except rhetorically when statements are cherry-picked.

  • @Eric Zuesse
    @Stephen Paul Foster

    Where that quotation appears in the text, a footnote is appended to it, and one sees the footnote on page 895 of the latest edition, and all that it says to dismiss the quotation is what I have quoted in this article.

    However, having read the reader-comments up to this point (comment #46), I notice that none even so much as mentions the key quotation that I present in this article, which is "in his Secret Conversations (Table Talk) of 21 October 1941, Hitler concluded his long tirade against Jews: 'By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service ...'," which should settle the matter as to whether Hitler was proud of his "extermination" of Jews, which people he held to be a "pest," and which "infection" in his other writings he called a "bacterium," just as did Himmler. So, all these reader-comments evade that admission by Hitler. Furthermore, all till now have been evading: "The Führer’s words right before his suicide — his final, supreme, statement of his war-aims — urged his people to continue the war, until victory, against what he held to be the sole real enemy: 'the poisoner of all nations, international Jewry.”" I frankly don't understand how anyone, after seeing those two statements from Hitler himself, at and near his end, can leave any reasonable doubt as to whether David Irving is a liar. My book explains why Hitler sought the extermination of Jews: he really did believe that intermarriage of them with non-Jews caused the spreading of a blood-infection. Hitler attributed every bad trait that he held to be universal among all Jews, to being the result of that "infection." He first got his idea for the extermination plan, in September 1919, which was when he entered politics in order to become enabled to effectuate his intention.

    Replies: @Robjil, @SomeGuy, @jilles dykstra, @Miro23

    “However, having read the reader-comments up to this point (comment #46), I notice that none even so much as mentions the key quotation that I present in this article, which is “in his Secret Conversations (Table Talk) of 21 October 1941, Hitler concluded his long tirade against Jews: ‘By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service …’,” which should settle the matter as to whether Hitler was proud of his “extermination” of Jews…”

    I will bite. Here is a list of the 15 statements I was able to locate in Cameron & Stevens’ 3rd edition of Table Talk:

    1. Oct 17, 1941: “As for the natives, we’ll have to screen them carefully. The Jew, that destroyer, we shall drive out.”
    –Forced relocation.

    2. Oct 21, 1941 “In the old days, the destruction of the libraries. Isn’t that what happened in Russia? The result: a frightful levelling-down. Didn’t the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. To-day, it’s in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday, the instigator was Saul: the instigator to-day, Mardochai. Saul has changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a Service of which our soldiers can have no idea.”
    –What “ausrotten” mean here is unclear, but killing is a plausible interpretation.

    3. Oct 25, 1941: “From the rostrum of the Reichstag I prophesied to Jewry that, in the event of war’s proving inevitable, the Jew would disappear from Europe…. Let nobody tell me that all the same we can’t park them in the marshy parts of Russia! Who’s worrying about our troops? It’s not a bad idea, by the way, that public rumour attributes to us a plan to exterminate the Jews. Terror is a salutary thing.
    The attempt to create a Jewish state will be a failure.

    I have numerous accounts to settle, about which I cannot think to-day. But that doesn’t mean I forget them. I write them down. The time will come to bring out the big book ! Even with regard to the Jews, I’ve found myself remaining inactive. There’s no sense in adding uselessly to the difficulties of the moment. One acts more shrewdly when one bides one’s time. . . . When I read of the speeches of a man like Galen, I remind myself that there’s no point in administering pin-pricks,
    and that for the moment it’s preferable to be silent. Why should anyone have room to doubt the durability of our movement? And if I reflect that it will last several centuries, then I
    can offer myself the luxury of waiting.”

    –Forced relocation. Here “ausrotten” does seem to mean “töten” or something different that forced relocation, but he is saying that it is a seemingly false rumor, immediately before “The attempt to create a Jewish state will be a failure.” It is not clear what that means. Later, he notes he will settle accounts with the Jews [and the Church] in the future, when he has time.

    4. Nov 5, 1941: “The end of the war will see the final ruin of the Jew. The Jew is the incarnation of egoism. And their egoism goes so far that they’re not even capable of risking their lives for the defence of their most vital interests…. Put the Jews all together: by the end of three hundred years, they’ll have devoured one another”
    –Forced relocation.

    5. Nov 19, 1941: “This sniveling in which some of the bourgeois are indulging nowadays, on the pretext that the Jews have to clear out of Germany, isjust typical of these holier-than-thou’s’
    –Forced relocation.

    6. Jan 6, 1942: “Experience teaches us that after every catastrophe a scapegoat is found. In England, it will probably be the Jew. But let them settle that between themselves. It’s not our mission to settle the Jewish question in other people’s countries!”
    –Concern only with German Jews.

    7. Jan 22, 1942: “A good three hundred or four hundred years will go by before the Jews set foot again in Europe”
    –Forced relocation. (How else would they get back?)

    8. Jan 23, 1942: “The Jew must clear out of Europe. Otherwise no understanding will be possible between Europeans. It’s the Jew who prevents everything. When I think about it, I realise that I’m extraordinarily humane. At the time of the rule of the Popes, the Jews were mistreated in Rome. Until 1830, eight Jews mounted on donkeys were led once a year through the streets of Rome. For my part, I restrict myself to telling them they must go away. If they break their pipes on the journey, I can’t do anything about it. But if they refuse to go voluntarily, I see no other solution but extermination. Why should I look at a Jew through other eyes than if he were a Russian prisoner-of-war?”
    –Encouraged relocation (“go voluntarily”). Here “ausrotten” is ambiguous. It could mean either killing or forced removal. The analogy with Russian POWs, half or whom were left to starve or die of disease, would certainly suggest brutal treatment.

    9. Jan 27, 1942: “The Jews must pack up, disappear from Europe. Let them go to Russia. Where the Jews are concened, I’m devoid of all sense of pity. They’ll always be the ferment that moves peoples one against the other.”
    –Forced relocation.

    10. Feb 3, 1942: So the Jew smacks his thighs to see how his diabolic stratagem has succeeded. He bears in mind that if his victims suddenly became aware of these things, all Jews would be exterminated. But, this time, the Jews will disappear from Europe. The world will breathe freely and recover its sense ofjoy, when this weight is no longer crushing its shoulders.”
    –Ambiguous (“will disappear”).

    11. Feb 22, 1942: The discovery of the Jewish virus is one of the greatest revolutions that have taken place in the world. The battle in which we are engaged to-day is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus ! Japan would have been contaminated, too, if it had stayed open to the Jews. We shall regain our health only by eliminating the Jew. Everything has a cause, nothing comes by chance.”
    –Unclear, since the question is as to the meaning of “ausrotten”. However, the analogy to pathogen would suggest democide.

    12. March 20, 1942: “In fact, Judaism, this form of mental depravation that must at all costs be abolished, has made the fixing of prices depend on the laws of supply and demand — factors, that is to say, which have nothing to do with the intrinsic value of an article. By creating the system of caveat emptor, the Jew has established a juridical basis for his rogueries. And thus it is that during the last two centuries, and with rare exceptions, our commerce has been dragged down to such a level that it has become absolutely necessary to apply a remedy. One first condition is necessary: to do away with the Jews.”
    –Unclear (“do away with”).

    13. May 15, 1942: “”It does not occur to any of those who howl when we transport a few Jews to the east that the Jew is a parasite and as such is the only human being capable of adapting himself to any climate and of earning a living just as well in Lapland as in the tropics. Among our petty bourgeois there are not a few who priđe themselves on reading their Bible; but they don’t seem to know that, according to the Old Testament, the Jew survives with equal ease a sojourn in the desert and a Crossing of the Red Sea.”
    –Forced relocation.

    14. April 4, 1942: “As far as we are concerned, we’ve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life… our upper classes, who’ve never bothered about the hundreds of thousands of German emigrants or their poverty, give way to a feeling of compassion regarding the fate of the Jews whom we claim the right to expel. Our compatriots forget too easily that the Jews have accomplices all over the world, and that no beings have greater powers of resistance as regards adaptation to climate. Jews can prosper anywhere, even in Lapland and Siberia.”
    –Forced relocation.

    15. May 15, 1942: “Frequently during the course of history, the Jew has become too presumptuous and has exploited to excess the country into which he has insinuated himself. And the countries concerned, victims of his plundering, have one after the other borne witness to the damage they have suffered at the hands of Jewry; each country has then tried, in its own way and when the opportunity arose, to solve the problems arising from the presence of the Jews. And the telegram which we have just read shows with what speed the Turks, for their part, are in process of solving the problem.”
    –Referring to expulsions of Jews throughout history.

    Of these 15 confidential statements in which we would expect Hitler to be candid, 13 propose some sort of solution (exclude #6 and #15). Of these 13, 9 clearly express the desire for voluntary (1) or forced relocation (8). Of the remaining 4, 2 are cryptic (#9 Jews “will disappear” from Europe,
    #11 “One first condition is necessary: to do away with the Jews”) and consistent with either forced relocation or killing. This leaves 2 statements about Jews out of several hundred from 1941-1944 and 13 that specifically discussion what to do which could be construed as physically killing:

    #2 “To-day, it’s in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday, the instigator was Saul: the instigator to-day, Mardochai. Saul has changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By [purging/rooting out/destoying/kill] this pest, we shall do humanity a Service of which our soldiers can have no idea.”
    #10 “Japan would have been contaminated, too, if it had stayed open to the Jews. We shall regain our health only by [purging/rooting out/destoying/kill] the Jew. Everything has a cause, nothing comes by chance.”

    The term used was “ausrotten”. It can mean “to kill off” [“töten”], “to eliminate” [beseitigen], “to extirpate” [gänzlich beseitigen], “to weed out” [ausmerzen], “to purge” [säubern], to root out [“Wurzeln ausreißen”], etc. The exact intent with respect to physical destruction is not clear — and intent is your whole point!

    In Table Talk, we are told that Bolshevism “must be [ausrotten]”, Christians [er rottete aus] its adversaries in the name of love,” the communists in Italy would have “[ausrotten]” the aristocracy”, we should “[ausrotten] the lie [of religion]”, the clergy would have been [ausrotten] by the Spanish cleregy, one of three ways of settling the social question is that the “proletariat [ausrotten] the possessing class,” etc. Some of the usages mean “physically kill off” and some usages can not mean this, but rather “to root out” (in the indefinate English sense).

    So, no, the question of meaning — of these 2 quotes — is not settled. But let me ask, why did Hitler so often discuss relocating Jews in his secret discussions, if his goal, in fact, was to physically kill. Did he keep changing his mind? Or did he not want to let his fellow Nazis know his true intents?

    I come across more explicit expressions of a desire to, uh, ‘deal with the problem’ on typical altright comment sections in a week than in 3 years of Hilter’s secret conversations. I would expect something more explicit.

    I agree with the other commenters. Zuesse’s very selective citation of Table Talk, his misrepresentation of Adolf Eichmann’s pre-trial interrogation statement — Jochen von Lang’s “Eichmann Interrogated” is deceptively transformed to: “In [Eichmann’s] 1983 “Eichmann Interrogated”, and his circular reasoning (i.e., Hitler must have always wanted to kill the jews otherwise he would not have expended crucial war resources on killing the jews), along with his reliance on ad hominems and passive aggressive smearing — leads me to believe none can be made.

    Incidentally, I suggest everyone here read Table Talk. It is now on internet archive. There are some very interesting observations.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    @SomeGuy



    in his Secret Conversations

     

    It was secret, ok. Just take my word he said it. And it is only I, of all who heard, who bothered to recount it later.
    , @Wally
    @SomeGuy

    See my post no. 210 in this thread about the fake 'Table Talk', and
    my post no. 73 which shatters the fake Eichmann nonsense.


    Cheers.

    www.codoh,com

    Replies: @SomeGuy

    , @Skeptikal
    @SomeGuy

    "Ausrotten" can mean a number of things, all related but with different nuances.
    IMO the best translation is "eradicate."
    Which, actually, has the same root as "ausrotten," namely, to root out.
    It seems clear that Hitler wanted to eradicate the Jews and their influence from German society.
    Not necessarily from the whole world.
    Of course, Hitler also wanted to ban a number of other groups from Germany society: communists, Bolsheviks, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Freemasons, common criminals, etc. Different shaped badges at Auschwitz for each group. I don't know about the practices of the other camps.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badge
    Hmm, interesting here is that the illustration of the badges is from 1936. I didn't know that the badge system had been adopted so early. Also interesting is the fact that in the thirties, many people came and went from Dachau and I think a few other "reeducation" camps.

    As for the Jews, clearly, many Nazis saw uses for the Jews and other undesirables (if able-bodied) as needed labor.
    Side note: Unlike in, say, the USA after it entered the war, German women were not put to work in industry and on farms etc. to support the war effort but were mainly kept at home to carry out the KKK (Kinder, Kueche, Kirche) ideology of the Nazis (although some Jewish women were sent to work on farms). This is akin to the idea that the Jews should be kicked out and/or killed instead of being put to work to keep the Reich going. Of course, during the thirties the goal of kicking them out was linked to taking over their assets. Many Jews hung around after their enterprises were aryanized---even being obliged to continue to work in the business to train the new owners, etc.---until they finally understood that this would not longer be tolerated---that they would not longer be tolerated. Eventually, reality collided with a lot of ideological notions, for everyone.
    I don't consider Sophie's Choice to be a historically accurate document, but I believe its premise is historically correct: the basic sorting mechanism on the Auschwitz platform was: keep the able-bodied and get rid of the infirm who could not work and would just be a drag on the system.
    But, other camps, other mores!

    Not sure what the point is of Zuesse's campaign to convince that Hitler always intended to exterminate/genocide the Jews. Can we all agree that Hitler was a kind of idiot savant who was brilliant in some respects and off the walls and ranting in others? There were a lot of crazy zealots in his government.

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  • In the 17th century, the Manchus conquered China, causing thousands of defeated Chinese soldiers and their families to flee to Vietnam, then divided between north and south. The Nguyen Clan, rulers of the south, granted these Chinese land in nominal Cambodian territory, paving the way for Vietnam’s annexation of a third of Cambodia. This obscure...
  • @Another German reader
    The Viets are running circles around some commenters' view of them. The Vietnamese economy is booming, because they play off ALL the major powers and play nice to ALL middle-powers and stay away from global bar-brawls.

    China is VN's biggest trade-partner. Many MNCs only came to Vietnam because they got 2 flies with one strike - the Chinese market and SEA market. The Chinese are feeding their own rival in the Spratleys.

    VN sells produce & other goods to Iran in exchange for oil, while using the profits to buy weapons from the Israelis. Weapons aimed at China.

    Indians, Europeans, Americans, Japanese, Korean and foremost Russians are selling weapons to Vietnam. Unlike Taiwan China can't say anything. Russians declined the sale of Iskanders to VN, so Isrealis are jumping in with LORA TBMs.

    Arab oil-sheiks are also investing heavily many sectors, while in case of the UAE a whole regiment of VPA soldiers are "private security".

    Japan/South-Korea distrust China and gave/is giving the much-needed low-interest loans for infrastructure-projects. This makes VN more and more interesting for foreign investors.

    Meanwhile the Vietnamese labour-market is eased by sending 80k guest-workers overseas every year. Here in Germany over 25 000 Viets are expected in the timeframe 2015-22. Average Hans is pissed off the Arabs and Africans migrants, but praise the Viets, who control the Crystal-Meth/Weed market and using Arabs/Africans as small time street-pushers.

    In addition the numbers of Viet Kieus jumped from 1 million in 1990 to 4 million in 2017. Meaning 14 billion USD remittance last year. This fuels the growth of light-industries and stabilizes the real-estate sector. This attracts lots of investors.

    Europeans talk about Nigerian asylum-seekers and Afghan refugees, while ignoring the 15k of illegal Viets, who arrive every year in addition to the legal ones.

    The children of Viet Kieu and UMC Viets are climbing the ladders in their new homelands, but due the wide spread do not draw unwanted attention. In many business-consultancies Vietnamese experts are pushing their clients to invest in VN.

    Now keep in mind the Vietnamese are still quite young and are expected to grow to 115 million in 2050 from 95 million in 2017. Combine that with 5-7% GDP-growth per year with GDP per capita 2300 USD in 2017 vs 1800 USD for India.

    Vietnam might end up being "Switzerland on steroids with a navy" by the mid of this century.

    TL-DR

    Vietnam is like that inconspicuous VW Golf. Just keep in mind that a VW Golf comes in many flavors from 75hp to 400hp. But even if you are in Porsche shaking off that Golf R400 won't be easy.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @SomeGuy, @TT

    Viets are 3rd world trash as evident by their shitty country where the elderly have to hustle 24/7 because their children can’t take care of them and even 90 year old lottery ticket seller grandma gets scammed / robbed. Is that even comprehensible to a western person? See vid:

    Easterners from high trust societies with strong legal systems get fucked over in these places just like westerners.

    If a western company invests in a 3rd world country / completes a large scale infrastructure project chances are they’ll not be paid because the money has already been embezzled (see the cases of Manila airport or the Bangkok airport highway project where large German companies got scammed for many millions).

    >The children of Viet Kieu and UMC Viets are climbing the ladders in their new homelands

    Those of largely Chinese descent yes, those of indigenous shifty monkey descent largely remain poor for life or even end up in prison like viet gangbangers in California.

  • @Malla
    @TT


    Im gonna migrate to India as WMM counter strike, and pretend to be highest hierarchy brown now with my new tanned. My name is Khan, or Shah, which is better? Seriously i did inquire about taking up Indian citizenship few years ago as i love its encapsulated 5000yrs civilization and Himalayas beauty.
     
    You will give up Aussie citizenship to get Indian citizenship? Really? India is gonna become a slave state to Zio elites. All Indians have to have a biometric card and very soon we will all be cashless. No democracy, government will control everybody. All Indians will be robot slaves for Zio controlled rulers, if you oppose the policies of Zio Govt, the Govt will just shut down your biometric profile. No financial transactions possible anymore. You will have to barter your underwear to buy a bus ticket or a samosa to feed yourself.
    India is being prepared for becoming a slave support state of Greater Israel of the future. Kind of like the role murrika plays today. You might ask, how will India with it's huge population of low IQs and pussy South Asian physically weak soldiers play the role of murrika? Can she pull it off? Why not choose some White or Yellow nation with good combination of high IQ majority and brave soldiery? Because Greater Israel will be a superpower in her own right. India will just be a support state, cannon fodder source, so to speak, a shithole supersupportpower. Pakistan will disappear according to plan, break into pieces or become part of Greater India, Akhand Bharat. Pakis already discuss this in their TV shows, see it as a threat to their existence and Indian Hindu Fundus are all calling for Akand Bharat or greater India all day in Indian TV shows. So I do not think coming here long term is a good idea. Besides, the whole world will be an India if the Zio elites get with their plan. Tokyo will be like India, London will be like India (getting there fast). India is the future of the world but with no democracy, a U.S. black ghetto/brazillian favela culture and artificial fake GM food. You will find India everywhere.

    Maybe marry a Israeli chick (your kids will be Jewish and Chosen) and live in the states. Let the dumb Jews of Israel fight it out, be the smart Jew and live in America and make smooth aliyah later when the dumb Jews and Arabs have fought each other out. The only problem during aliyah will be dealing with the Orthodox racist rabbis who will not consider you Jewish that easily. But your kids will definitely be of the chosen as their mom is chosen.

    Or become a CEO of a company or president of country and further the globalist plan so that you would be given a position amongst the elites of the future. Do what Bill Gates does, donates his money for globalist causes (vaccines in India, smart cities with no privacy etc..), he is buying his place in the ruling eliteship of the future. Merkel is buying her place too. Try something like that.

    Anyways Khan is a Muslim name, a big no no, muslims of India are all gonna be massacred. Hinduvadi are just waiting for the fall of the White man, fall of the West, then the swords come out and we have mega massacres. Yipeeee. Maybe Christians too. And later Buddhists, Sikhs and Jains to bring back Brahmin Raj. That is the end game of the Hindu right (supported by Zios). Untouchability, Dalit slaves, rich temples/poor people , temple girl prostitutes etc...In other words the golden period what Hinduvadis talk about. The Brits bought modern technology, allowed the lower castes to study, stopped Sati....How Evuul!!!! We want golden period back. Plastic surgeries and Vimanas back.

    Try Tripathi, Dixit, Iyer, Banerjee, Agnihotri, Mishra.....good Brahmin surnames. If you look Mongoloid try some Bengali/Assamese brahmin surname to slip in. Like say Banerjee, Mukherjee, Ganguly etc...

    P.S. I would prefer living in China over India, if I were you. Why?
    Let this high IQ Indian guy explain why.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF4fcT9P2yk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nh25s-zAZo

    Replies: @SomeGuy, @TT

    >All Indians have to have a biometric card and very soon we will all be cashless. No democracy, government will control everybody. All Indians will be robot slaves for Zio controlled rulers, if you oppose the policies of Zio Govt, the Govt will just shut down your biometric profile. No financial transactions possible anymore.

    Fortunately the vast majority of Indians are too impoverished and low IQ for a large scale implementation of anything technologically advanced.

    They can’t even get toilets and a working sewage system for most people ffs…

    While China has shown that mobile payments that even street sellers can easily accept are implementable, I doubt India will ever get to a point where anywhere near the majority can even afford mobile phones.

    • Replies: @Malla
    @SomeGuy


    Fortunately the vast majority of Indians are too impoverished and low IQ for a large scale implementation of anything technologically advanced.
     
    Unfortunately it is getting implemented. The masses may be low IQ but the elites are high IQ and the Zio elites want it done. That is why they got Modi in power in the first place. The illiterate masses are no w been told to be proud of their thumbprints. (since the illeterate poor could not sign they would use thumbprints on documents, anghuta-chaap was a derogatory term for such people.). Now they are told to be proud of being anguta-chaaps. Thats is the PR spin the Government is spewing.

    They can’t even get toilets and a working sewage system for most people
     
    What is surprising is that there are more mobile phones in India than toilets!!! Millions of the poor will sell their kidneys to get a cheap Chinese smartphone but will shit in the open. This phenomenon makes Mr. Rothschild very happy. Each smartphone bought and he does a 'mehehehe' evil laugh touching his fingers together.
  • @Daniel Chieh
    @SomeGuy

    Yes, this is why Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong or even China doesn't have a large middle class. Self-refuting nonsense.

    Replies: @SomeGuy

    I have lived in China and I have observed the behavior of Chinese people.

    You have a Chinese name so I presume you’re Chinese and therefore can’t accept the truth that Chinese people have no empathy for each other, only care about their own family and quickly jew together what they can without limits.

    Only 40 years in, the deck seems almost completely stacked against average Wang in cities like Beijing and Shanghai despite prevailing party policies to limit large housing ownership holdings by few individuals and it took even less time in places that accepted outpouring wealth from China of dubious origins like Vancouver to become completely unaffordable.

    What is “muh dick” for the negro is “muh properties” for the Chinaman who gloats over the woes of the less cunning that has to pay his extortionary rents and lives in deplorable conditions.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @SomeGuy

    Cool. I have lived in America and I have observed the behavior of all Americans so according to what I can tell, America represents profound whining, gay worship, and a strong anti-intellectual spirit which it proceeds to attempt to forcibly export as universal values upon the world. That's the same logic which you're using: its equally bunk because of that.

    So yes, the behavior of post-CR Chinese immediately after the opening up of wealth in China is representative of all Chinese and is a truth for all time and space. So why is it that Taiwan and Singapore, both which are heavily Chinese, remain capable of providing for a middle class that isn't extortionate in terms of housing?

    You might then wonder, perhaps, specifically who are the kind of Chinese that go to Vancouver and why they behave the way they do. The answer really isn't that complicated, nor has it been limited to the Chinese. Hint: there is a reason why they're trying to get out of China.

    Every culture that has had to go through that kind of deprivation creates survivors who ultimately seem harsh and brutal. Its a literal bottleneck effect, and the only way it can improve is through time and realization of values that aren't survival. And indeed, in a country of that size, the idea that there's a single overriding culture is pretty silly.

    As noted before: self-refuting nonsense. Live happy in your ignorance, though.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @The Wobbly Guy

    , @Anonymous
    @SomeGuy

    China still has hundreds of millions living in poverty according to the World Bank’s arbitrary $3.10 (2015?) a day measure. The Communist Government (as well as American conservatives) alternatively describe the glass as half full. Most of the urbanites have been levitated out of poverty. Linh wrote that the Chinese are stoic, not like Pol Pot or Mao, just stoic enough.

  • @denk
    @Malla

    I have been saying this for the umpteenth time,
    India is the mother of WEAPON OF MASS MIGRATION, long before Kelly M. Greenhill plagiarized and theorised the idea, which formed the basis of current fukus devious scheme to unleash white genocides on the euros via ME refugees and yellow genocides on the NE , SE Asians via Indian migrations.


    *Over 90% of Tamils and over 90% of Tamil speaking Muslims live in Tamil Nadu, India. Due to proximity and slavery during the Dutch and British periods, close to a million of them were brought into Sri Lanka (Ceylon). Since then they have grown into 5 million with a very high population growth rate and due to illegal migration into the island. Until the end of the war in 2009, some of their extremist elements kept a low profile fearing repercussions. After the war, they are bringing more and more of their relatives from South India, Maldives, Bangladesh and Myanmar while slaying Sri Lanka’s human rights record claiming discrimination against minorities!

    If minorities are so badly discriminated against in Sri Lanka why do hundreds of thousands of Tamil Nadu people and Maldivians want to come to Sri Lanka? The latest of foreign outcastes to creep into the island are Rohingya (Bangladeshi) Muslims. Unless their plans are disrupted, Sri Lanka is heading into a three-pronged war.
    ..................
    After the end of the war, Indian interference worsened and hundreds of thousands of South Indians made their way into the island. They pose a demographic threat to the island nation. India is on a mission to take over the island’s economy.

    Supported by Indian sponsorship, Hindu expansionism in the island can be seen in every province. They have created an extension of India. Malaysia, Myanmar and Singapore have been very careful not to allow it. [sic]

    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/09/25/some-tamils-and-muslims-turning-sri-lanka-into-a-refugee-camp-of-foreign-outcastes/


    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka late 2013, you might have thought that after flushing out tamil terrorists, Prez Rajapakse and Dr Gotabaya Rajapakse converted a hell into a almost a heaven. Not as glorious as Singapore, but admittedly moving towards the flying path with an aggressive plan.

    If you have travelled to Sri Lanka now in 2017, you will be disappointed, disgusted. The dream Singapore you had back in 2013 all gone. Is Sri Lanka now like pre Tamil War? Yes. Is Sri Lanka now look like Malaysia? No way. Is Sri Lanka look like Bangladesh? Is Sri Lanka look like Pakistan? Is Sri Lanka look like Vietnam, Thailand? No, No, No.

    Colombo looks more like an Indian city. Please be honest MDP. With the 3 wheelers allowed to flood roads by sucessive governments ( not only this governement) it will never look like Singapore or KualaLumpur


    http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2017/06/23/sri-lanka-a-heaven-converted-into-a-hell-in-just-two-years-potential-second-singapore-to-become-uganda/

    LOL !

    These guys should visit Singapore one of these days, they'd be shocked,

    shocked thinking that they've landed in Delhi by mistake !
    Ever since the tiny nation was suckered/bludgeoned by washington./delhi into signing an FTA which contained a sneaky clause to allow unlimited entry by Indian expats and their families , the once first world island has now turned into an unrecognisable third world Indian outpost.

    uncle sham must be mightily pleased by his handiwork, an unsinkable aircraft carrier squatting right at the China's jugular ,built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries, now run by fukus Indian soul mates !!


    P.S.

    If one day I disappear from the forums, you should know Those masters of universe, TPTB has gotten to me. !

    hehehehe

    Replies: @SomeGuy, @Malla, @Malla, @Malla, @TT

    >built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries

    You make it sound like they’re whites. Any ethnic Chinese society will inevitably be dominated by a few who squeeze the life out of everybody else via extortionary rents and 80h work weeks while in the west (((merchants))) are largely to blame.

    Empathy is not a Chinese trait. Don’t be fooled that the Chinamen due to their lack of violent tendencies and general industriousness can build a western or Japan like society that is largely middle class.

    If Singapore doesn’t turn into Dheli 2.0 it’ll turn into caged housing like in Hong Kong for the masses instead.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @SomeGuy

    Yes, this is why Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong or even China doesn't have a large middle class. Self-refuting nonsense.

    Replies: @SomeGuy

    , @denk
    @SomeGuy


    You make it sound like they’re whites
     
    LOL,

    only the inept Chinese would do 'blood , sweat and tears' my dear,

    Thats no way for the whiteys, they'r on a higher plane see ?

    Ever heard of .......
    Blood for oil.
    Who says there's no free lunch ?

    Works like a charm since 1600.

    hehheheh
    , @Anonymous
    @SomeGuy

    >If Singapore doesn’t turn into Dheli 2.0 it’ll turn into caged housing like in Hong Kong for the masses instead.

    This is an entirely ridiculous statement. As somebody who lives here, I can say with absolute certainty that Singapore's public housing system is one of the best in the world. The housing development board constructs tens of thousands of units of public housing every year, and buying a home is quite affordable. A three-bedroom apartment, like the one I live in right now costs around $400,000, in a neighborhood near the city center, in a housing complex with built-up amenities like a school, a clinic, a shopping center, a MRT stop, wet markets/hawker centers, etc.

    In other cities I've lived in (Toronto, New York, San Francisco/Bay Area), this would be absolutely unthinkable. My parents and many of my old friends are still in Toronto, and they tell me about the ridiculous heights that the property market there has reached in recent years. It's almost impossible to find a house going for under $1 million. Even a one bedroom condominium in Scarborough (which to non-Torontonians, is the suburban east end of the city, where most of the population is Caribbean and South Asian, with a few Chinese) goes for around $300,000. In the eloquent words of one of my friends when I went to visit over the winter holidays, "the mandem are fried, fam."

    Replies: @Anonymous

  • @byrresheim
    @EnriiiqueCardovaa

    Actually, the german population of eastern Europe has been cleansed of the map.

    Those who were not massacred or driven out directly after the war were relocated in the 80ies and 90ies.

    There is some talk of three million dead german civilians in eastern Europe immediately after the war, but that is certainly propaganda put forth by adherents of the Austrian corporal.

    So move on, there is nothing to see here.

    Replies: @SomeGuy

    >Those who were not massacred or driven out directly after the war were relocated in the 80ies and 90ies.

    I grew up with those “Germans” from Russia who relocated in the 80s due to the better economy in Germany and they were about as German as I’m Russian.

    Their docs were either fake or a German was in their family many generations ago.

    Their kids also hated Germans just like turkroaches, go figure…

    My father was a real German however from former Bohemia, now Czech Republic. They were made to leave right after WW2, lots of them died and their fellow Germans didn’t want them in Germany and gave them a hard time.

    History is pretty much a shit sandwhich for most people it seems.

  • @AaronB
    I've done business with Chinese in NY where they tried to use Jewish tactics on me. Undermine my self-confidence through criticism, feigned outrage - moral atracks, engage me in futile debate, shape my perceptions, create stress and confusion, guilt trip me, use heavily emotional language to make clear thinking difficult, and "assume" the superior pose.

    I don't know if they learned from American Jews, or its just a natural tactic for a collectivist society to use against an individualistic and rationalistic one. Or if they picked up on American weaknesses intuitively.

    But I was very amused by it and couldn't help but chuckle to myself.

    What the Chinese would do in SE Asia if they were dealing with an individualistic and hyper rationalistic society (everything open to debate, thus to being manipulated) is hard to say.

    How Jews would fare in SE Asia among a collectivist society where questions of identity and power are off the table and not open to debate - thus not open to being undermined, is easier to predict.

    Being overly rationalistic is a huge weakness among Americans - if everything is open to debate, including your identity, everything is open to being manipulated and undermined, and it's easy to create confusion.

    Being individualistic is also a huge liability - studies show its very hard to maintain your opinions, even your perceptions, in the absence of social support. It's quite remarkable. An individual us easily confused and undermined - a member of group, almost never.

    The individual from a collectivist society "knows" - he has the backing of the collective for his beliefs and opinions, and the individual from a non rational society also refuses to even debate certain questions, like identity. They are off the table. He cannot be confused.

    You can't really analyze Chinese and Jewish behavior in their host countries without analyzing the culture of the host countries.

    Replies: @EnriiiqueCardovaa, @Sherman, @SomeGuy, @Sam J., @Rdm

    If they speak English they must’ve learned from jews.

    Having lived in China, Chinese people generally lack morals and ethics, which gives some an edge eventually wherever they go as lots of them can grind work relentlessly as well with little desire for western luxuries like entertainment, culture or even sex beyond the occasional pay for play.

    Business deals usually resemble bait and switch scams where what you see / what was promised is never what you get and everything has to be reneged later on at a higher price.

    Needless to say, places where everybody jews each other hard are shitty ones to live in so they migrate elsewhere where they can make use of people that have better social norms.

    Typical shylock type behavior that got Chinese people shoa’d more than once:

    http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/vietnamese-tourist-kneels-and-begs-for-refund-of-iphone-6-at-sim-lim-square-0

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @SomeGuy

    I'm sure they adapt their tactics to the situation. There is no "Chinese style" of doing business anymore than there is a "Jewish style" (in the immutable unchanging sense. In the proximate sense there very much is).

    Local conditions dictate your tactics, and what is possible.

    Replies: @Twodees Partain

  • @Anonymous
    What's the rent on a two bedroom in Saigon? Are the women laid back or will they dump you like the American Chinese-Viet chicks because you're a broke ass?

    Replies: @republic, @Truth, @SomeGuy

    Why anyone would want to interact with frigid primitive third world women that have cash registers for souls is beyond me…

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  • @carol
    There is something weird going on with young workers. There is this segment that doesn't want to learn the manly trades, but won't tolerate the low wages of the clerical and retail work that's left to them. They are undependable.

    And then there's ag work. That there is hard work.

    Replies: @Drog, @someguy, @Bill Jones, @Anonymous, @AndrewR, @Anonymous, @Jesse

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    • Agree: Opinionator
    • Replies: @Anon
    @someguy

    I think the people wanting the emigrants here and their 401K better off are the segment of the boomers who don't have grandchildren. They are probably divorced or were never married, and they either didn't have children or they're aliened from their own children because the latter resented being raised in a divorced family with all the psychological mess that entails.

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    Replies: @Forbes

    , @Jack Highlands
    @someguy

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    "The line it is drawn, the curse it is cast."

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    @Someguy

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    @Miguel Madeira

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    Replies: @Doug, @someguy, @JayMan

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    • Replies: @David R. Merridale
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    They are literally killing art. Western art.

    So they add Grady High School eh? If that school has anything like the reputation Grady Memorial Hospital has the chorus will most likely be garbage. I can see it now, they'll probably have to add some African sounding bullshit so they can hang with the ASO.

  • Some subjects are just too depressing to write about, and the epidemic of Black-on-white attacks/murder/rape/crime represents the no. 1 topic I'm no longer interested in discussing. It's just -- so pervasive and the sheer number of incidents from across the nation should represent a clarion call for an actual dialogue. No matter how egregious the...
  • Anonymous White Male

    I'm no ones leader, I'm just simply operating within the legal parameters of liability. Reasonable defense of one's life in any isolated event is up to the individual. If you'd like to be the person to make a gung-ho call to arms and commit violence, I'm not going to place my support behind you. There is a time and place for everything, and now is not the time for violence.

  • Okay: things we know

    1. The media will not report objectively.
    2. Alternative sources are documenting genuine racial violence against whites.
    3. The vast majority are black, of course offset by the dingbat that shot up the Sikh temple.
    4. Law enforcement are not protecting the citizens.

    Folks, do yourself a favor, discriminate. That's right, use your five senses and your brain to put 2 and 2 together and protect yourselves. DO NOT take this as a call to violence, DO NOT take this as a call to arms, DO NOT take this as a message to vocally and physically malign non-whites. And for heaven's sake, DO NOT use this as a call to actively discriminate in any way that will destroy your social credibility.

    Discriminate to save your lives and your families' lives. We are at a very interesting crux in human history and the hard part is just beginning. Stay the course, use your mind, and judicially spread the word. This pot is simmering and may boil over soon.

    I'm just another one of you, just SomeGuy wishing this weren't so…

  • Though every student, K-12, in the 95 percent Black Detroit Public Schools (DPS) system already gets a free lunch, this isn't enough of a bargaining chip to keep them in class. As part of the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Community Eligibility Option Program, each student in the DPS eats a free lunch every school day...
  • Zenster,

    Thank you. I normally loathe feeding trolls and usually favor quick quips or concise statements. However, since I've graduated I've got time on my hands while looking for employment, so I gave it a go. Sometimes it is a healthy exercise to execute a logical point-by-point analysis, if only to sharpen the brain and/or keep one's rhetorical skills sharp.

    Of course the reality is I'm just SomeGuy, wishing that you and I didn't have to have conversations such as these.

  • PK Note: This had to be published, in light of the revelation that the General Motors (GM) bailout is going to cost the US Treasury even more money -- $25 billion. Why no one in the mainstream media (MSM) will point out what Steve Rattner exposed in his book on the auto industry bailouts is...
  • Civil stability hangs by a thread in this country. I can only assume that the MSM purposely mask the grand story in an attempt to keep the patch on this busted tire. I cannot wait for the day when being respectable means being truthful and logical, because until then my very livelihood is at stake.

    I'm just SomeGuy, desperately wishing we didn't have to have this conversation…

  • Though every student, K-12, in the 95 percent Black Detroit Public Schools (DPS) system already gets a free lunch, this isn't enough of a bargaining chip to keep them in class. As part of the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Community Eligibility Option Program, each student in the DPS eats a free lunch every school day...
  • To anon @ 5:30 PM

    "you sad racist motherfuckers! do you guys have anything better to do than to make comments on black people all day? "

    First things first, your attempt at setting the tone with the word racist is laughable. The word itself is laughable. Magic words do not erase objective reality, so perhaps you should realize that you have no authority to establish any sort of moral tonality with a hollow word whose only enforcement is the constant media barrage convincing people that being racist is worse that being a rapist or pedophile.

    "i know plenty of black people that are educated and doesn't need welfare, oh here's an example, OUR PRESIDENT you fucking weak minded creeps"

    This is hilarious. Here you have made a general statement that is supposedly common knowledge, and then use the example of the president (you really know him?), who is undoubtedly a product of pure Affirmative Action, and then follow up with an appeal to emotion with an insult meant to establish authority. This is not logical.

    "watch the i.d channel racist retards"

    Claiming knowledge comes from the television is like claiming shit from the toilet is food. Again, you attempt reinforce moral authority with an insult after attempting to establish your authority by referencing, of all things, a television channel.

    "stop assuming stuff that you know nothing about. get to know people first."

    Hmmmm, so I will assume that you believe that every person that frequents this website hasn't gotten to "know people first". That we all live in a racist vacuum? That is illogical and a stance you cannot hope to prove. I believe you are simply reciting a common narrative. As an aside, I cannot get to know the populous of Japan, nor hope to even get to know a sample subset, but yet I assume you would have no problem if I claimed that the Japanese were industrious, hard-working people with a tradition of honor. Should I get to know a pride of lions or two to be able to posit that they are fierce hunters with a taste only for flesh? Or is it safe to assume? How about fish, I mean, I don't know any fish, but they all appear to like living under the water. The concept is easy, every person knows there are exceptions to every rule, but every person knows that objective reality is theirs to behold and also theirs to ignore.

    Can I judge by skin type, yes I can. And why wouldn't I? If data is present, I would be foolish to ignore reality, especially if it involves endangering myself and my interests. I actively discriminate against people that have tattoos on their face, poor discriminating little me.

    Is a stereotype only a stereotype when it is negative and goes against the narrative instilled in your mind? I'd argue that is illogical and inconsistent, but then again I'm "racist" so no matter what I believe, I'm obviously hopelessly unintelligent, correct?

    Finally, while I do not claim to have a firm command of all the grammatical rules of formal, written English, it would definitely help your argument if you decided to at least follow the rules of capitalizing the first letter in a sentence and attempt to have your ideas grouped into paragraphs. I'm just SomeGuy, no one important, and these are my opinions.

  • Burn baby burn, Detroit inferno!

    Don't worry, entropy always catches up.

  • A forgotten story has resurfaced, courtesy of a nudge from a story published in the Daily Mail that had the provocative headline, Connecticut town which is 94% white 'deliberately kept ethnic minorities out by denying them housing benefits' (Hugo Gye, August 7, 2012): A town in Connecticut deliberately tried to keep out non-white residents from...
  • Tyrone Shoelace has the right idea.

  • Africans in America are annoying (okay, violent and vile) hanger-ons. Their motto should be "How dare the whites not invite us!" I just do not understand this pathological insistence that wherever whites go, blacks MUST follow or it is automatically racist.

    If we have a colony on the moon and the requirements are healthy, extreme intelligence, and lots of money, I'm sure they'll find some way to put a ghetto on the satellite as well, all in the name of diversity. The continued pressure to include them in every single part of white life is proof enough that they are parasites, hanging on for dear life so they can get fat and happy. Yet you'd never hear anyone of their hew admit that this is the case.

    I'm so fucking tired of blacks don't have this and blacks don't have that, blacks are victims because of this or that. I simply cannot wait until the dollar collapses and their pathetic community reverts to their natural ways: pillage and loot, just like hunter-gatherers.

  • The Weekly Standard reports that Gov. Mitt Romney and US Rep. Paul Ryan (Wisconsin) represent "America's Comeback Team." But what does this mean? Both look like the boring white guys who would have fit in nicely with the men who were in mission control during the Apollo 11 moon landing; they look like they would...
  • "Is it "Morning in America" again? — or was America knocked down for the ten count long ago, with overzealous fans still clinging to their seats hoping that the referees count will be answered before the bell rings, though the lights in the arena have long been out and no one is even in the ring?"

    Perfect. This analogy is perfect. Just trying to talk to the average white American is a chore as they continually believe their champ is in the ring. The champ left the ring on a stretcher in the 1960s.

  • With Stuff Black People Don't Like: 365 Black Days of Judging by Content of Characterfinally being published (as a personal favor to me, why don't you head over to Amazon and pick up a couple copies for your family member and friends), all attention is now diverted to putting the finishing touches on Opiate of...
  • PK, by all accounts you seem to be a brilliant man. You, out of all people, finally made me believe in the zombie apocalypse. I hope one day we can have a drink.

  • PK Note: A spreadsheet breakdown of the 190+ Georgia Chick-fil-A (with the white and Black percentage of the city/zip code they reside in) locations is available here. It breaks down the racial dynamics of each city in Georgia where Chick-fil-A has locations. Places of businesses (like Colony Square in Midtown) and hospital locations weren't counted,...
  • Sitting at my second Chick-fil-A today. Both have been masses of white humanity. They have been so crowded and with long wait times but everyone is so nice and cordial to one another. No fights, no profane words. White America sure is lovely, ain't it?

  • Today we ate at Chic-fil-A.

    In this article you mention East Point, South Fulton County, and Greenbriar Mall. I was stationed at Ft. McPherson (now closed) for 2 1/4 years, which is right in the middle of East Point. Let me tell you folks, that town is a mess. And Greenbriar Mall? The only time I went there was to get my Georgia license plate and thank goodness it was a store that had an outside entrance, meaning I didn't have to step foot in that hell hole. The surrounding area is all turd world, home to neighborhoods with big, beautiful old trees and houses that would fit into a picturesque movie scene where anyone would want to grow up and raise a family. Problem is, the are all now piles of shit.

    When I was stationed at Ft. Mac is when I had my moment and realized definitively what America's problem was. My God people, if you ever lived in this neighborhood or one like it you would feel the filth on your soul for the rest of your life. Be glad you aren't African.

  • PK Note: Forgot to publicize this exclusive post over at Vdare on the Chick-Fil-A, Coca-Cola, and Cobb County. The battle was over long ago; but the war is just about to begin. It dawned on me reading Lawrence Auster's piece, The next frontier—racially equal outcomes in school discipline, that we are witnessing the "last gasp...
  • They'll outlaw private schools and homeschooling. You don't have rights in America, you are an asset. A tax slave.

  • PK NOTE: A new war lingers on the horizon, with the first blow coming at Vdare soon. Two news stories converge to produce a glimpse of why Waiting for Superman is going require a patience that Samuel Beckett couldn't conjure up for Vladimir and Estragon in Waiting for Godot. First, from Fairfax County (Thomas Jefferson...
  • Thanks MuayTyson for encouraging the Asian experience. Your fears of a second civil war are not unfounded. I haven't gotten anyone to agree with me yet but my opinion is that it has already started with one side having the advantage of acting with impunity, leaving the other side that still respects the law as victims instead of combatants. I think the TEA Party is just the beginning, they call it racist because they know deep down that it is a grassroots white movement that doesn't want to pay more taxes to support BRA. Most in the Tea Party are probably old believes, so to speak, so they aren't going to play rough. It's my generation, the 80's and 90's kids, that are going to play rough because we do not have anything left except outright tax slavery.

  • About once every decade or two, the LA Times runs an article on some old guy in Africa with 100+ wives. I remember reading about a Kenyan in 1981, and another one in 1999. They're worth waiting for. In today's LA Times:Three years ago, Islamic authorities in Niger, a majori
  • Dan Kruger and U of Michigan does great work in this area in relation to male mortality rates.

    http://www-personal.umich.edu/~kruger/

  • Scottish pop-rocker of the 1970s (Stuck in the Middle with You and Baker Street with the unforgettable sax solo), Gerry Rafferty, has drunk himself to death at 63.So,  his daughter or her heirs will collect on Baker Street until 2081.My published articles are archived at iSteve.com -- Steve Sailer
  • I have a close to perfect life and I have no problem dying from drink at 65. Of course I could lead a perfectly clean life and hold out to 95 so I can play 3-D video games.

  • A commenter on the PISA post below writes: Back before I started participating 18 years ago in Internet discussions with anonymous participants, I would have agreed with these low estimates. All these years later, however ... I dunno. Maybe there is a Silent But Sensible Majority out there somewhere. Maybe.To pick a random example of...
  • Given that the we evolved to recognize patterns I would say that virtually everyone minus the mentally retarded recognizes group differences in IQ, athleticism, rhythm, etc.

    I don't think most people give the question as to why the differences exist much thought and they will parrot whatever they need to get by in life.

    So I think you have to distinguish between implicit and explicit thought.

  • October has long struck me as the busiest, most serious month of the year. It's not just the sports calendar that peaks in October, although baseball, which is a snooze most of the year, is the obvious metaphor. In my experience in the corporate world (not in retail, and at firms where the fiscal year...
  • I have been waiting for a post about Rahm and his run for mayor of Chicago. This topic seems ripe for discussion. Look at how he dispatched with J.J. Jr. He let news of his affair leak. The affair itself didn't matter. What was important is that it was with a white woman; blond no less. Who does this anger? Black women voters. It also lets Jesse know that even more dirt was going to be leaked if he persisted in a run.

    Now we have another potential candidate, Dart, deciding not to run. One wonders if Rahm has dirt on him. So, even though Chicagoans are not very keen on having Rahm as mayor they may get him because he scares off potential challengers.

  • The LA Times reports: In these kind of educational achievement statistics, the main way to avoid being completely bored is to check whether whites or Asians win in the upper division and whether blacks or Latinos win in the lower division.
  • I feel compelled to post again. A bit of data to back up my contention that CC instruction is superior to university instruction. At the CC where I taught the students that transferred to U of I did better in the last 2 years of there undergraduate education in comparison to the native U of I students. U of I hated this data.

    However, there are troubling times ahead for CCs.

    1. They increasingly rely on too heavily on unscreened part-time instructors.

    2. Educational romanticism has reached the point where it is hurting CCs. Many communities now offer all graduating high school students a free ride at the local CC. CCs will be overwhelmed with ill prepared students who lack the intellectual ability to grasp abstract concepts. Sounds like high school.

  • I went to a CC, a small private liberal arts school for a BA, a regional state university for a MS, and a large state university for a PhD. I then taught full time at a CC for 7 years before changing jobs to teaching at a regional state university.

    Knowing what Steve knows about social dynamics I thought it odd that he would find it strange that the CC instructors would be just as good as U of I or Northwestern folks. U of I and Northwestern undergrads are paying for prestige and networking, but overall instruction is far better at CCs. Here are some thoughts as to why this is.

    1. CC folks are learned, but are not so focused on their narrow research interest that they lose the broad view.

    2. CC folks teach at least 10 classes per year. University profs 4-6 classes per year. Teaching really does improve with practice and the difference is such that it really adds up quickly.

    3. University profs and CC instructors are different. CC instructors are more down to earth regular folks and this translates into being able to relate to the students. University profs are outliers by their nature and can be on the nerdy side.

    4. University tenure decisions deemphasize teaching.

    5. In many university classes TAs play a significant role. These are the future CC instructors. Why pay extra to get them the first time out of the box? Pay less for them when they are seasoned.

    6. The breadth of student ability, reason for being there, motivation also makes for improved instruction. I once had in a class of 90 a gal coming back to school to make up deviancies to begin medical school and a mentally retarded kid with significant brain damage sent to class by his mother to get him out of the house. It was a great class. The gal by the way had her choice of medical schools the next semester and went where the best offer was for her husband. Her husband was working on an ice helmet to administer to stroke victims to slow down nerve damage. An aside I know, but I thought the idea was fascinating.

  • I'm totally out of touch on this subject, so let me ask commenters for ways for young men to come up with "interests" to put in personal ads beyond Tom Clancy and Van Halen, interests that might incline young women to think they might have something to talk about with you if you were to...
  • The question was to list other possible topics to be interested in to politely show interest to a woman. Here are some suggestions: pron collection, video games, personal sports hero, scifi, your mother, hbd, your feelings.

  • Washington D.C. is having a mayor's race between incumbent Adrian Fenty and City Councilman Vince Gray. I think it totally fulfills the promise of the Postracial Obama Age that black majority Washington D.C. now has two white guys running for mayor, and nobody has even mentioned it!On the left is a picture of D.C. Mayor...
  • Al Gore is 1/8th black?

  • Allow me to refer once again to Jim Manzi's article in City Journal:Manzi complains that the social sciences never come up with anything useful and "nonintuitive" compared to physics and other hard sciences. That's because, according to Manzi, social scientists don't use the right methodology: experimentation. (By the way, Manzi's company, Applied Predictive Technologies, will...
  • Bullshit!

    Supply and demand seems pretty important. Mind/body materialism is of huge importance. So forth.

    One problem is that one could retort that these are obvious and therefore trivial. But they have not always been seen as obvious and as a matter of fact the opposite has been pretty much accepted as much as a flat earth.

    The other major problem is that people don't want to accept the truth and therefore say the social sciences are all whooey. What percentage of people believe the most basic and most important finding in psychology of materialism? The vast majority of folks hold some sort of religious/spiritual view of the soul.

  • Jim Manzi, the marketing researcher turned social commentator (not the Jim Manzi who headed Lotus Development Corporation), has a book coming out. Here's a chapter  summarized in his City Journal article:Just like me, Jim is a marketing researcher turned pundit, so our thinking runs along the similar lines. As a test marketer, he wants to...
  • You give this guy way too much credit. He shows his ignorance by stating that we don't know much in the social sciences. That is the new PC line. This shifted once the results didn't confirm the correct beliefs.

    Ironically the more we know the more you will hear how much we don't know.

    I hear it all the time and my retort is the same as yours, people just don't want to believe what the research shows

  • We're constantly told that to make up for any minor inconveniences caused by letting in millions of uneducated illegal aliens, "all we have to do is fix the public schools." And this usually leads to some vague gesticulating in the direction of the Teach for America program.Now, the Teach for America program is actually quite...
  • Nowadays much educational "software" will be delivered over the Internet.

    There are good educational sites, such as Art of Problem Solving (math) or EPGY, but it is predominantly smart kids with smart parents who will seek out such resources, thus widening the "achievement gap", as found in a recent NYT article, "Computers at Home: Educational Hope vs. Teenage Reality".

  • At the Inter-University Consortium for Political & Social Research. Registration is free.
  • I would really like to access the data, but it appears you have belong to an institution that subscribes.

  • A follow up to the previous post. I keep seeing the research from this paper in the press, Spanking detrimental to children, study says:The idea is that spanking has negative consequences, making children less intelligent and more aggressive. But what do you think? My thought was that there are two other reasons of possible interest:1)...
  • Don’t have the reference off hand, but an adoption study was conducted showing that the level of aggression or criminality of the biological parents predicted the harshness of discipline used by the adoptive parents. Evocative gene-environment correlation. By the way the latest research by Kochanska at the University of Iowa suggests that it is the warmth and level of harshness of discipline interact so that parents that are harsh, but still warm have kids that seem okay.  
     
    On the personal level I remember my grandmother saying that she had to kiss a hot stove as punishment. My father beat my brother with a 2×4 and a hose leaving welts and I never thought of it as abuse, but we were not supposed to tell the neighbors. Still can’t get my mind around that it is abuse. Of course my brother who is quite the badass would still, as an adult, do anything to please my father.

  • No surprise. But the data are rather stark. Excluding those who gave "No Answer" and "Lots" here are the mean number of children of readers by age group from the survey, with the mean number of children in the age groups from the GSS for whites in the parentheses:18-25 = 0 (0.32)26-35 = 0.25 (1.36)36-45...
  • My guess is that women do select directly for intelligence, it may just be someone who is at least a certain level maybe 110-120 IQ or they use themselves as an anchor and want someone slightly above themselves. Certainly women care and don’t want a mate who is mentally retarded. I also select for intelligence in women and would have difficulty dating someone who is stupid. 
     
    Other research suggests a positive relationship between intelligence and sexual selection. Geoffrey Miller suggests that intelligence developed in humans because it is sexually selected for. But he mixes up intelligence and creativity and I think he over states the case as it is quite noticeble that the men in physics departments aren’t studs.  
     
    On a related note, intelligence could be a signal of overall fitness: 
     
    Kanazawa, Satoshi and Kovar, JL (2004) Why beautiful people are more intelligent. Intelligence, 32 (3). pp. 227-243. ISSN 0160-2896

  • Inductivist- I went down many of those roads of thought (eg, environmentalism) and came to the same conclusion; as a white guy suicide would be the most altruistic action I could take. I too eventually became that rare breed, a conservative academic. 
     
    Wonga, in many ways you are right. I just came down to my man cave to avoid two screaming kids and type away on the keyboard. The alternative you present is nihilistic and hedonistic and is very enticing. However, my guess is that you do not truly take such a view and that you actually have values. By valuing something aren’t you hoping it transcends your existence? Happiness is way overrated. 
     
    I guess I came to the conclusion that such a view of life was of no value. I could be fooling myself and of course missing out on a great deal of fun, but at a sociological level the idea that wongba’s choices are individual and are of just as much value of someone who responsibly reproduces is problematic.  
     
    Taking that to the next level as many do, that choices to reproduce are bad (sexist, racist, against the environment, etc.) is clearly the sign of a group of people that are suicidal. So for those that take the view that my reproduction is one of these isms I say good riddance. While that may sound mean I say it because I value the traditions of Western Civilization and my children and hope both continue after I die.

  • How I learned to love demographic decline. 
     
    Having a third child was the most overt political statement my wife and I made (although politics was not the purpose for having the child). We crossed that magical line that makes the overeducated crowd give you a strange look that signals, “Oh, you are one of them”. Being a woman, my wife has felt the brunt of the feminist disdain.  
     
    Gene Berman, I used to feel the same way; depressed at demographic decline. Now I take solace in the fact that the people who are looking down their noses at us are evolutionary dead ends.

  • One social science finding which I've wondered about over the past few years is the result that women care much more about the race of a potential mate than men do. The fact that individuals tend to want to mate assortatively with those who share their characteristics is no surprise. Rather, what does surprise are...
  • Razib, are you saying while its normal that nonwhite women prefer their own race, in the case of white women the only reason they would prefer – ugh loser, nerdy “white males” is because of racism and oppression. “The System of White Supremacy!”

  • By Christina Hoff Sommers in The American:My published articles are a
  • Here is the course description. It sounds like you need to already know lots of Calc and Linear Algebra:

    “This is probably the most difficult undergraduate math class in the country; a variety of advanced topics in mathematics are covered, and problem sets ask students to prove many fundamental theorems of analysis and linear algebra. Class meets three hours per week, plus one hour of section, and problem sets can take anywhere from 24 to 60 hours to complete. This class is usually small and taught by a well-established and prominent member of the faculty whose teaching ability can vary from year to year. A thorough knowledge of multivariable calculus and linear algebra is almost absolutely required, and any other prior knowledge can only help. Students who benefit the most from this class have taken substantial amounts of advanced mathematics and are fairly fluent in the writing of proofs. Due to the necessity of working in groups and the extensive amount of time spent working together, students usually meet some of their best friends in this class. The difficulty of this class varies with the professor, but the class often contains former members of the International Math Olympiad teams, and in any event, it is designed for people with some years of university level mathematical experience. In order to challenge all students in the class, the professor can opt to make the class very, very difficult.”

    the link is here: http://www.math.harvard.edu/pamphlets/freshmenguide.html