RSSCould you post a link to your computations and sources?
The Eichmann interrogation statement is clearly unreliable.
Perhaps the statements from Table Talk are too. However, my point was that the statements taken together provide significantly more support for a plan of forced removal of Jews from the German sphere.
So, granting the validity of the statements does not help Zuesse’s case, except rhetorically when statements are cherry-picked.
“However, having read the reader-comments up to this point (comment #46), I notice that none even so much as mentions the key quotation that I present in this article, which is “in his Secret Conversations (Table Talk) of 21 October 1941, Hitler concluded his long tirade against Jews: ‘By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service …’,” which should settle the matter as to whether Hitler was proud of his “extermination” of Jews…”
I will bite. Here is a list of the 15 statements I was able to locate in Cameron & Stevens’ 3rd edition of Table Talk:
1. Oct 17, 1941: “As for the natives, we’ll have to screen them carefully. The Jew, that destroyer, we shall drive out.”
–Forced relocation.
2. Oct 21, 1941 “In the old days, the destruction of the libraries. Isn’t that what happened in Russia? The result: a frightful levelling-down. Didn’t the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. To-day, it’s in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday, the instigator was Saul: the instigator to-day, Mardochai. Saul has changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a Service of which our soldiers can have no idea.”
–What “ausrotten” mean here is unclear, but killing is a plausible interpretation.
3. Oct 25, 1941: “From the rostrum of the Reichstag I prophesied to Jewry that, in the event of war’s proving inevitable, the Jew would disappear from Europe…. Let nobody tell me that all the same we can’t park them in the marshy parts of Russia! Who’s worrying about our troops? It’s not a bad idea, by the way, that public rumour attributes to us a plan to exterminate the Jews. Terror is a salutary thing.
The attempt to create a Jewish state will be a failure.
…
I have numerous accounts to settle, about which I cannot think to-day. But that doesn’t mean I forget them. I write them down. The time will come to bring out the big book ! Even with regard to the Jews, I’ve found myself remaining inactive. There’s no sense in adding uselessly to the difficulties of the moment. One acts more shrewdly when one bides one’s time. . . . When I read of the speeches of a man like Galen, I remind myself that there’s no point in administering pin-pricks,
and that for the moment it’s preferable to be silent. Why should anyone have room to doubt the durability of our movement? And if I reflect that it will last several centuries, then I
can offer myself the luxury of waiting.”
–Forced relocation. Here “ausrotten” does seem to mean “töten” or something different that forced relocation, but he is saying that it is a seemingly false rumor, immediately before “The attempt to create a Jewish state will be a failure.” It is not clear what that means. Later, he notes he will settle accounts with the Jews [and the Church] in the future, when he has time.
4. Nov 5, 1941: “The end of the war will see the final ruin of the Jew. The Jew is the incarnation of egoism. And their egoism goes so far that they’re not even capable of risking their lives for the defence of their most vital interests…. Put the Jews all together: by the end of three hundred years, they’ll have devoured one another”
–Forced relocation.
5. Nov 19, 1941: “This sniveling in which some of the bourgeois are indulging nowadays, on the pretext that the Jews have to clear out of Germany, isjust typical of these holier-than-thou’s’
–Forced relocation.
6. Jan 6, 1942: “Experience teaches us that after every catastrophe a scapegoat is found. In England, it will probably be the Jew. But let them settle that between themselves. It’s not our mission to settle the Jewish question in other people’s countries!”
–Concern only with German Jews.
7. Jan 22, 1942: “A good three hundred or four hundred years will go by before the Jews set foot again in Europe”
–Forced relocation. (How else would they get back?)
8. Jan 23, 1942: “The Jew must clear out of Europe. Otherwise no understanding will be possible between Europeans. It’s the Jew who prevents everything. When I think about it, I realise that I’m extraordinarily humane. At the time of the rule of the Popes, the Jews were mistreated in Rome. Until 1830, eight Jews mounted on donkeys were led once a year through the streets of Rome. For my part, I restrict myself to telling them they must go away. If they break their pipes on the journey, I can’t do anything about it. But if they refuse to go voluntarily, I see no other solution but extermination. Why should I look at a Jew through other eyes than if he were a Russian prisoner-of-war?”
–Encouraged relocation (“go voluntarily”). Here “ausrotten” is ambiguous. It could mean either killing or forced removal. The analogy with Russian POWs, half or whom were left to starve or die of disease, would certainly suggest brutal treatment.
9. Jan 27, 1942: “The Jews must pack up, disappear from Europe. Let them go to Russia. Where the Jews are concened, I’m devoid of all sense of pity. They’ll always be the ferment that moves peoples one against the other.”
–Forced relocation.
10. Feb 3, 1942: So the Jew smacks his thighs to see how his diabolic stratagem has succeeded. He bears in mind that if his victims suddenly became aware of these things, all Jews would be exterminated. But, this time, the Jews will disappear from Europe. The world will breathe freely and recover its sense ofjoy, when this weight is no longer crushing its shoulders.”
–Ambiguous (“will disappear”).
11. Feb 22, 1942: The discovery of the Jewish virus is one of the greatest revolutions that have taken place in the world. The battle in which we are engaged to-day is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus ! Japan would have been contaminated, too, if it had stayed open to the Jews. We shall regain our health only by eliminating the Jew. Everything has a cause, nothing comes by chance.”
–Unclear, since the question is as to the meaning of “ausrotten”. However, the analogy to pathogen would suggest democide.
12. March 20, 1942: “In fact, Judaism, this form of mental depravation that must at all costs be abolished, has made the fixing of prices depend on the laws of supply and demand — factors, that is to say, which have nothing to do with the intrinsic value of an article. By creating the system of caveat emptor, the Jew has established a juridical basis for his rogueries. And thus it is that during the last two centuries, and with rare exceptions, our commerce has been dragged down to such a level that it has become absolutely necessary to apply a remedy. One first condition is necessary: to do away with the Jews.”
–Unclear (“do away with”).
13. May 15, 1942: “”It does not occur to any of those who howl when we transport a few Jews to the east that the Jew is a parasite and as such is the only human being capable of adapting himself to any climate and of earning a living just as well in Lapland as in the tropics. Among our petty bourgeois there are not a few who priđe themselves on reading their Bible; but they don’t seem to know that, according to the Old Testament, the Jew survives with equal ease a sojourn in the desert and a Crossing of the Red Sea.”
–Forced relocation.
14. April 4, 1942: “As far as we are concerned, we’ve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life… our upper classes, who’ve never bothered about the hundreds of thousands of German emigrants or their poverty, give way to a feeling of compassion regarding the fate of the Jews whom we claim the right to expel. Our compatriots forget too easily that the Jews have accomplices all over the world, and that no beings have greater powers of resistance as regards adaptation to climate. Jews can prosper anywhere, even in Lapland and Siberia.”
–Forced relocation.
15. May 15, 1942: “Frequently during the course of history, the Jew has become too presumptuous and has exploited to excess the country into which he has insinuated himself. And the countries concerned, victims of his plundering, have one after the other borne witness to the damage they have suffered at the hands of Jewry; each country has then tried, in its own way and when the opportunity arose, to solve the problems arising from the presence of the Jews. And the telegram which we have just read shows with what speed the Turks, for their part, are in process of solving the problem.”
–Referring to expulsions of Jews throughout history.
Of these 15 confidential statements in which we would expect Hitler to be candid, 13 propose some sort of solution (exclude #6 and #15). Of these 13, 9 clearly express the desire for voluntary (1) or forced relocation (8). Of the remaining 4, 2 are cryptic (#9 Jews “will disappear” from Europe,
#11 “One first condition is necessary: to do away with the Jews”) and consistent with either forced relocation or killing. This leaves 2 statements about Jews out of several hundred from 1941-1944 and 13 that specifically discussion what to do which could be construed as physically killing:
#2 “To-day, it’s in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday, the instigator was Saul: the instigator to-day, Mardochai. Saul has changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By [purging/rooting out/destoying/kill] this pest, we shall do humanity a Service of which our soldiers can have no idea.”
#10 “Japan would have been contaminated, too, if it had stayed open to the Jews. We shall regain our health only by [purging/rooting out/destoying/kill] the Jew. Everything has a cause, nothing comes by chance.”
The term used was “ausrotten”. It can mean “to kill off” [“töten”], “to eliminate” [beseitigen], “to extirpate” [gänzlich beseitigen], “to weed out” [ausmerzen], “to purge” [säubern], to root out [“Wurzeln ausreißen”], etc. The exact intent with respect to physical destruction is not clear — and intent is your whole point!
In Table Talk, we are told that Bolshevism “must be [ausrotten]”, Christians [er rottete aus] its adversaries in the name of love,” the communists in Italy would have “[ausrotten]” the aristocracy”, we should “[ausrotten] the lie [of religion]”, the clergy would have been [ausrotten] by the Spanish cleregy, one of three ways of settling the social question is that the “proletariat [ausrotten] the possessing class,” etc. Some of the usages mean “physically kill off” and some usages can not mean this, but rather “to root out” (in the indefinate English sense).
So, no, the question of meaning — of these 2 quotes — is not settled. But let me ask, why did Hitler so often discuss relocating Jews in his secret discussions, if his goal, in fact, was to physically kill. Did he keep changing his mind? Or did he not want to let his fellow Nazis know his true intents?
I come across more explicit expressions of a desire to, uh, ‘deal with the problem’ on typical altright comment sections in a week than in 3 years of Hilter’s secret conversations. I would expect something more explicit.
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I agree with the other commenters. Zuesse’s very selective citation of Table Talk, his misrepresentation of Adolf Eichmann’s pre-trial interrogation statement — Jochen von Lang’s “Eichmann Interrogated” is deceptively transformed to: “In [Eichmann’s] 1983 “Eichmann Interrogated”, and his circular reasoning (i.e., Hitler must have always wanted to kill the jews otherwise he would not have expended crucial war resources on killing the jews), along with his reliance on ad hominems and passive aggressive smearing — leads me to believe none can be made.
Incidentally, I suggest everyone here read Table Talk. It is now on internet archive. There are some very interesting observations.
It was secret, ok. Just take my word he said it. And it is only I, of all who heard, who bothered to recount it later.
in his Secret Conversations
Viets are 3rd world trash as evident by their shitty country where the elderly have to hustle 24/7 because their children can’t take care of them and even 90 year old lottery ticket seller grandma gets scammed / robbed. Is that even comprehensible to a western person? See vid:

Easterners from high trust societies with strong legal systems get fucked over in these places just like westerners.
If a western company invests in a 3rd world country / completes a large scale infrastructure project chances are they’ll not be paid because the money has already been embezzled (see the cases of Manila airport or the Bangkok airport highway project where large German companies got scammed for many millions).
>The children of Viet Kieu and UMC Viets are climbing the ladders in their new homelands
Those of largely Chinese descent yes, those of indigenous shifty monkey descent largely remain poor for life or even end up in prison like viet gangbangers in California.
You will give up Aussie citizenship to get Indian citizenship? Really? India is gonna become a slave state to Zio elites. All Indians have to have a biometric card and very soon we will all be cashless. No democracy, government will control everybody. All Indians will be robot slaves for Zio controlled rulers, if you oppose the policies of Zio Govt, the Govt will just shut down your biometric profile. No financial transactions possible anymore. You will have to barter your underwear to buy a bus ticket or a samosa to feed yourself.
Im gonna migrate to India as WMM counter strike, and pretend to be highest hierarchy brown now with my new tanned. My name is Khan, or Shah, which is better? Seriously i did inquire about taking up Indian citizenship few years ago as i love its encapsulated 5000yrs civilization and Himalayas beauty.
>All Indians have to have a biometric card and very soon we will all be cashless. No democracy, government will control everybody. All Indians will be robot slaves for Zio controlled rulers, if you oppose the policies of Zio Govt, the Govt will just shut down your biometric profile. No financial transactions possible anymore.
Fortunately the vast majority of Indians are too impoverished and low IQ for a large scale implementation of anything technologically advanced.
They can’t even get toilets and a working sewage system for most people ffs…
While China has shown that mobile payments that even street sellers can easily accept are implementable, I doubt India will ever get to a point where anywhere near the majority can even afford mobile phones.
Unfortunately it is getting implemented. The masses may be low IQ but the elites are high IQ and the Zio elites want it done. That is why they got Modi in power in the first place. The illiterate masses are no w been told to be proud of their thumbprints. (since the illeterate poor could not sign they would use thumbprints on documents, anghuta-chaap was a derogatory term for such people.). Now they are told to be proud of being anguta-chaaps. Thats is the PR spin the Government is spewing.
Fortunately the vast majority of Indians are too impoverished and low IQ for a large scale implementation of anything technologically advanced.
What is surprising is that there are more mobile phones in India than toilets!!! Millions of the poor will sell their kidneys to get a cheap Chinese smartphone but will shit in the open. This phenomenon makes Mr. Rothschild very happy. Each smartphone bought and he does a 'mehehehe' evil laugh touching his fingers together.
They can’t even get toilets and a working sewage system for most people
I have lived in China and I have observed the behavior of Chinese people.
You have a Chinese name so I presume you’re Chinese and therefore can’t accept the truth that Chinese people have no empathy for each other, only care about their own family and quickly jew together what they can without limits.
Only 40 years in, the deck seems almost completely stacked against average Wang in cities like Beijing and Shanghai despite prevailing party policies to limit large housing ownership holdings by few individuals and it took even less time in places that accepted outpouring wealth from China of dubious origins like Vancouver to become completely unaffordable.
What is “muh dick” for the negro is “muh properties” for the Chinaman who gloats over the woes of the less cunning that has to pay his extortionary rents and lives in deplorable conditions.
>built up by the Chinese blood sweat and tears over three centuries
You make it sound like they’re whites. Any ethnic Chinese society will inevitably be dominated by a few who squeeze the life out of everybody else via extortionary rents and 80h work weeks while in the west (((merchants))) are largely to blame.
Empathy is not a Chinese trait. Don’t be fooled that the Chinamen due to their lack of violent tendencies and general industriousness can build a western or Japan like society that is largely middle class.
If Singapore doesn’t turn into Dheli 2.0 it’ll turn into caged housing like in Hong Kong for the masses instead.
LOL,
You make it sound like they’re whites
>Those who were not massacred or driven out directly after the war were relocated in the 80ies and 90ies.
I grew up with those “Germans” from Russia who relocated in the 80s due to the better economy in Germany and they were about as German as I’m Russian.
Their docs were either fake or a German was in their family many generations ago.
Their kids also hated Germans just like turkroaches, go figure…
My father was a real German however from former Bohemia, now Czech Republic. They were made to leave right after WW2, lots of them died and their fellow Germans didn’t want them in Germany and gave them a hard time.
History is pretty much a shit sandwhich for most people it seems.
If they speak English they must’ve learned from jews.
Having lived in China, Chinese people generally lack morals and ethics, which gives some an edge eventually wherever they go as lots of them can grind work relentlessly as well with little desire for western luxuries like entertainment, culture or even sex beyond the occasional pay for play.
Business deals usually resemble bait and switch scams where what you see / what was promised is never what you get and everything has to be reneged later on at a higher price.
Needless to say, places where everybody jews each other hard are shitty ones to live in so they migrate elsewhere where they can make use of people that have better social norms.
Typical shylock type behavior that got Chinese people shoa’d more than once:
Why anyone would want to interact with frigid primitive third world women that have cash registers for souls is beyond me…
Kudos to you Linh Dinh on your excellent writing, and especially so for this heartwarming essay.
As for Sister Mindy: I am not a particularly religious man but stories like this make me wonder if there might truly be angels among us.
May God bless and keep you both.
There is something wrong with our entire society, not just young people. Boomers would sell out their grand children in favor of illegals for a 1% increase in their 401k.
The fact that Kristol has any platform at all tells you all you need to know about America. Israel gets 10 million a day in aid from America and is essentially a welfare parasite state, and this is how neocons pay back White Americans?
Which I think gets at the effect of Trump vs. Obama – one was a blank slate, knowingly animated by the biases of his target audience(s) – while the other is a Wofe-ian manifestation (h/t isteve) of human nature(ish,ness).
What that leads to is more unknown – the multicultural technocrat vs. the megalomaniac opprotunist.
What I find most interesting is that this arc of a novelist being brought into the inner circle is also mirrored in the Netflix series “House of Cards”. I won’t explain it here, but the idea of bringing in someone who “gets it” is played out there (with various, and not relevant, non-conservative biases). It more makes me wonder if the screen-writer for “House of Cards”, similar to the insider/outsider novelist approach of David Samuels, wasn’t his more snarky, more stoned, less “professionally” ambitious suite-mate somewhere along the line.
Yep. I’m pretty sure Jayman wouldn’t have been able to predict many things we see today. It’s quite likely he’d be preaching “there will be absolutely no or maybe little change in X and Y area” and call everyone who disagreed a moron.
An interesting article on the current state of water “markets” in California:
http://grist.org/food/california-has-a-real-water-market-but-its-not-exactly-liquid
So, Brat uses Wikipedia as a source? That tells you all you need to know.
“judge others in great swaths without even a remote hint of what they are like. ”
Don’t think he’s done anything that hasn’t been done before in the comment section, to be honest; it usually goes without criticism because the people don’t really care about the particular opinion or agree with it already. The data are out there, it’s easy to see what holds true “on average” in this case too.
I think it’s easy to see a major common reason for minorities (atheists being a particularly distrusted one) leaning left and voting dem.
Whiskey, great comment. The sexual market place in America is why I go for foreign women. American women are shit, for the most part.
Let's just let it all burn. We have the capacity to put out the fire, but we shouldn't extinguish this flame. It's a worthless investment. Let it burn.
This is pathetic. But you must know it is mostly DWL's that attend and support symphonies. There is a reason NPR is the station most associated with classical music. Who knows why they listen to it, me thinks for moral superiority.
They are literally killing art. Western art.
So they add Grady High School eh? If that school has anything like the reputation Grady Memorial Hospital has the chorus will most likely be garbage. I can see it now, they'll probably have to add some African sounding bullshit so they can hang with the ASO.
Anonymous White Male
I'm no ones leader, I'm just simply operating within the legal parameters of liability. Reasonable defense of one's life in any isolated event is up to the individual. If you'd like to be the person to make a gung-ho call to arms and commit violence, I'm not going to place my support behind you. There is a time and place for everything, and now is not the time for violence.
Okay: things we know
1. The media will not report objectively.
2. Alternative sources are documenting genuine racial violence against whites.
3. The vast majority are black, of course offset by the dingbat that shot up the Sikh temple.
4. Law enforcement are not protecting the citizens.
Folks, do yourself a favor, discriminate. That's right, use your five senses and your brain to put 2 and 2 together and protect yourselves. DO NOT take this as a call to violence, DO NOT take this as a call to arms, DO NOT take this as a message to vocally and physically malign non-whites. And for heaven's sake, DO NOT use this as a call to actively discriminate in any way that will destroy your social credibility.
Discriminate to save your lives and your families' lives. We are at a very interesting crux in human history and the hard part is just beginning. Stay the course, use your mind, and judicially spread the word. This pot is simmering and may boil over soon.
I'm just another one of you, just SomeGuy wishing this weren't so…
Zenster,
Thank you. I normally loathe feeding trolls and usually favor quick quips or concise statements. However, since I've graduated I've got time on my hands while looking for employment, so I gave it a go. Sometimes it is a healthy exercise to execute a logical point-by-point analysis, if only to sharpen the brain and/or keep one's rhetorical skills sharp.
Of course the reality is I'm just SomeGuy, wishing that you and I didn't have to have conversations such as these.
Civil stability hangs by a thread in this country. I can only assume that the MSM purposely mask the grand story in an attempt to keep the patch on this busted tire. I cannot wait for the day when being respectable means being truthful and logical, because until then my very livelihood is at stake.
I'm just SomeGuy, desperately wishing we didn't have to have this conversation…
To anon @ 5:30 PM
"you sad racist motherfuckers! do you guys have anything better to do than to make comments on black people all day? "
First things first, your attempt at setting the tone with the word racist is laughable. The word itself is laughable. Magic words do not erase objective reality, so perhaps you should realize that you have no authority to establish any sort of moral tonality with a hollow word whose only enforcement is the constant media barrage convincing people that being racist is worse that being a rapist or pedophile.
"i know plenty of black people that are educated and doesn't need welfare, oh here's an example, OUR PRESIDENT you fucking weak minded creeps"
This is hilarious. Here you have made a general statement that is supposedly common knowledge, and then use the example of the president (you really know him?), who is undoubtedly a product of pure Affirmative Action, and then follow up with an appeal to emotion with an insult meant to establish authority. This is not logical.
"watch the i.d channel racist retards"
Claiming knowledge comes from the television is like claiming shit from the toilet is food. Again, you attempt reinforce moral authority with an insult after attempting to establish your authority by referencing, of all things, a television channel.
"stop assuming stuff that you know nothing about. get to know people first."
Hmmmm, so I will assume that you believe that every person that frequents this website hasn't gotten to "know people first". That we all live in a racist vacuum? That is illogical and a stance you cannot hope to prove. I believe you are simply reciting a common narrative. As an aside, I cannot get to know the populous of Japan, nor hope to even get to know a sample subset, but yet I assume you would have no problem if I claimed that the Japanese were industrious, hard-working people with a tradition of honor. Should I get to know a pride of lions or two to be able to posit that they are fierce hunters with a taste only for flesh? Or is it safe to assume? How about fish, I mean, I don't know any fish, but they all appear to like living under the water. The concept is easy, every person knows there are exceptions to every rule, but every person knows that objective reality is theirs to behold and also theirs to ignore.
Can I judge by skin type, yes I can. And why wouldn't I? If data is present, I would be foolish to ignore reality, especially if it involves endangering myself and my interests. I actively discriminate against people that have tattoos on their face, poor discriminating little me.
Is a stereotype only a stereotype when it is negative and goes against the narrative instilled in your mind? I'd argue that is illogical and inconsistent, but then again I'm "racist" so no matter what I believe, I'm obviously hopelessly unintelligent, correct?
Finally, while I do not claim to have a firm command of all the grammatical rules of formal, written English, it would definitely help your argument if you decided to at least follow the rules of capitalizing the first letter in a sentence and attempt to have your ideas grouped into paragraphs. I'm just SomeGuy, no one important, and these are my opinions.
Burn baby burn, Detroit inferno!
Don't worry, entropy always catches up.
Africans in America are annoying (okay, violent and vile) hanger-ons. Their motto should be "How dare the whites not invite us!" I just do not understand this pathological insistence that wherever whites go, blacks MUST follow or it is automatically racist.
If we have a colony on the moon and the requirements are healthy, extreme intelligence, and lots of money, I'm sure they'll find some way to put a ghetto on the satellite as well, all in the name of diversity. The continued pressure to include them in every single part of white life is proof enough that they are parasites, hanging on for dear life so they can get fat and happy. Yet you'd never hear anyone of their hew admit that this is the case.
I'm so fucking tired of blacks don't have this and blacks don't have that, blacks are victims because of this or that. I simply cannot wait until the dollar collapses and their pathetic community reverts to their natural ways: pillage and loot, just like hunter-gatherers.
"Is it "Morning in America" again? — or was America knocked down for the ten count long ago, with overzealous fans still clinging to their seats hoping that the referees count will be answered before the bell rings, though the lights in the arena have long been out and no one is even in the ring?"
Perfect. This analogy is perfect. Just trying to talk to the average white American is a chore as they continually believe their champ is in the ring. The champ left the ring on a stretcher in the 1960s.
PK, by all accounts you seem to be a brilliant man. You, out of all people, finally made me believe in the zombie apocalypse. I hope one day we can have a drink.
Sitting at my second Chick-fil-A today. Both have been masses of white humanity. They have been so crowded and with long wait times but everyone is so nice and cordial to one another. No fights, no profane words. White America sure is lovely, ain't it?
Today we ate at Chic-fil-A.
In this article you mention East Point, South Fulton County, and Greenbriar Mall. I was stationed at Ft. McPherson (now closed) for 2 1/4 years, which is right in the middle of East Point. Let me tell you folks, that town is a mess. And Greenbriar Mall? The only time I went there was to get my Georgia license plate and thank goodness it was a store that had an outside entrance, meaning I didn't have to step foot in that hell hole. The surrounding area is all turd world, home to neighborhoods with big, beautiful old trees and houses that would fit into a picturesque movie scene where anyone would want to grow up and raise a family. Problem is, the are all now piles of shit.
When I was stationed at Ft. Mac is when I had my moment and realized definitively what America's problem was. My God people, if you ever lived in this neighborhood or one like it you would feel the filth on your soul for the rest of your life. Be glad you aren't African.
They'll outlaw private schools and homeschooling. You don't have rights in America, you are an asset. A tax slave.
Thanks MuayTyson for encouraging the Asian experience. Your fears of a second civil war are not unfounded. I haven't gotten anyone to agree with me yet but my opinion is that it has already started with one side having the advantage of acting with impunity, leaving the other side that still respects the law as victims instead of combatants. I think the TEA Party is just the beginning, they call it racist because they know deep down that it is a grassroots white movement that doesn't want to pay more taxes to support BRA. Most in the Tea Party are probably old believes, so to speak, so they aren't going to play rough. It's my generation, the 80's and 90's kids, that are going to play rough because we do not have anything left except outright tax slavery.
Dan Kruger and U of Michigan does great work in this area in relation to male mortality rates.
I have a close to perfect life and I have no problem dying from drink at 65. Of course I could lead a perfectly clean life and hold out to 95 so I can play 3-D video games.
Given that the we evolved to recognize patterns I would say that virtually everyone minus the mentally retarded recognizes group differences in IQ, athleticism, rhythm, etc.
I don't think most people give the question as to why the differences exist much thought and they will parrot whatever they need to get by in life.
So I think you have to distinguish between implicit and explicit thought.
I have been waiting for a post about Rahm and his run for mayor of Chicago. This topic seems ripe for discussion. Look at how he dispatched with J.J. Jr. He let news of his affair leak. The affair itself didn't matter. What was important is that it was with a white woman; blond no less. Who does this anger? Black women voters. It also lets Jesse know that even more dirt was going to be leaked if he persisted in a run.
Now we have another potential candidate, Dart, deciding not to run. One wonders if Rahm has dirt on him. So, even though Chicagoans are not very keen on having Rahm as mayor they may get him because he scares off potential challengers.
I feel compelled to post again. A bit of data to back up my contention that CC instruction is superior to university instruction. At the CC where I taught the students that transferred to U of I did better in the last 2 years of there undergraduate education in comparison to the native U of I students. U of I hated this data.
However, there are troubling times ahead for CCs.
1. They increasingly rely on too heavily on unscreened part-time instructors.
2. Educational romanticism has reached the point where it is hurting CCs. Many communities now offer all graduating high school students a free ride at the local CC. CCs will be overwhelmed with ill prepared students who lack the intellectual ability to grasp abstract concepts. Sounds like high school.
I went to a CC, a small private liberal arts school for a BA, a regional state university for a MS, and a large state university for a PhD. I then taught full time at a CC for 7 years before changing jobs to teaching at a regional state university.
Knowing what Steve knows about social dynamics I thought it odd that he would find it strange that the CC instructors would be just as good as U of I or Northwestern folks. U of I and Northwestern undergrads are paying for prestige and networking, but overall instruction is far better at CCs. Here are some thoughts as to why this is.
1. CC folks are learned, but are not so focused on their narrow research interest that they lose the broad view.
2. CC folks teach at least 10 classes per year. University profs 4-6 classes per year. Teaching really does improve with practice and the difference is such that it really adds up quickly.
3. University profs and CC instructors are different. CC instructors are more down to earth regular folks and this translates into being able to relate to the students. University profs are outliers by their nature and can be on the nerdy side.
4. University tenure decisions deemphasize teaching.
5. In many university classes TAs play a significant role. These are the future CC instructors. Why pay extra to get them the first time out of the box? Pay less for them when they are seasoned.
6. The breadth of student ability, reason for being there, motivation also makes for improved instruction. I once had in a class of 90 a gal coming back to school to make up deviancies to begin medical school and a mentally retarded kid with significant brain damage sent to class by his mother to get him out of the house. It was a great class. The gal by the way had her choice of medical schools the next semester and went where the best offer was for her husband. Her husband was working on an ice helmet to administer to stroke victims to slow down nerve damage. An aside I know, but I thought the idea was fascinating.
The question was to list other possible topics to be interested in to politely show interest to a woman. Here are some suggestions: pron collection, video games, personal sports hero, scifi, your mother, hbd, your feelings.
Bullshit!
Supply and demand seems pretty important. Mind/body materialism is of huge importance. So forth.
One problem is that one could retort that these are obvious and therefore trivial. But they have not always been seen as obvious and as a matter of fact the opposite has been pretty much accepted as much as a flat earth.
The other major problem is that people don't want to accept the truth and therefore say the social sciences are all whooey. What percentage of people believe the most basic and most important finding in psychology of materialism? The vast majority of folks hold some sort of religious/spiritual view of the soul.
You give this guy way too much credit. He shows his ignorance by stating that we don't know much in the social sciences. That is the new PC line. This shifted once the results didn't confirm the correct beliefs.
Ironically the more we know the more you will hear how much we don't know.
I hear it all the time and my retort is the same as yours, people just don't want to believe what the research shows
Nowadays much educational "software" will be delivered over the Internet.
There are good educational sites, such as Art of Problem Solving (math) or EPGY, but it is predominantly smart kids with smart parents who will seek out such resources, thus widening the "achievement gap", as found in a recent NYT article, "Computers at Home: Educational Hope vs. Teenage Reality".
I would really like to access the data, but it appears you have belong to an institution that subscribes.
Don’t have the reference off hand, but an adoption study was conducted showing that the level of aggression or criminality of the biological parents predicted the harshness of discipline used by the adoptive parents. Evocative gene-environment correlation. By the way the latest research by Kochanska at the University of Iowa suggests that it is the warmth and level of harshness of discipline interact so that parents that are harsh, but still warm have kids that seem okay.
On the personal level I remember my grandmother saying that she had to kiss a hot stove as punishment. My father beat my brother with a 2×4 and a hose leaving welts and I never thought of it as abuse, but we were not supposed to tell the neighbors. Still can’t get my mind around that it is abuse. Of course my brother who is quite the badass would still, as an adult, do anything to please my father.
My guess is that women do select directly for intelligence, it may just be someone who is at least a certain level maybe 110-120 IQ or they use themselves as an anchor and want someone slightly above themselves. Certainly women care and don’t want a mate who is mentally retarded. I also select for intelligence in women and would have difficulty dating someone who is stupid.
Other research suggests a positive relationship between intelligence and sexual selection. Geoffrey Miller suggests that intelligence developed in humans because it is sexually selected for. But he mixes up intelligence and creativity and I think he over states the case as it is quite noticeble that the men in physics departments aren’t studs.
On a related note, intelligence could be a signal of overall fitness:
Kanazawa, Satoshi and Kovar, JL (2004) Why beautiful people are more intelligent. Intelligence, 32 (3). pp. 227-243. ISSN 0160-2896
Inductivist- I went down many of those roads of thought (eg, environmentalism) and came to the same conclusion; as a white guy suicide would be the most altruistic action I could take. I too eventually became that rare breed, a conservative academic.
Wonga, in many ways you are right. I just came down to my man cave to avoid two screaming kids and type away on the keyboard. The alternative you present is nihilistic and hedonistic and is very enticing. However, my guess is that you do not truly take such a view and that you actually have values. By valuing something aren’t you hoping it transcends your existence? Happiness is way overrated.
I guess I came to the conclusion that such a view of life was of no value. I could be fooling myself and of course missing out on a great deal of fun, but at a sociological level the idea that wongba’s choices are individual and are of just as much value of someone who responsibly reproduces is problematic.
Taking that to the next level as many do, that choices to reproduce are bad (sexist, racist, against the environment, etc.) is clearly the sign of a group of people that are suicidal. So for those that take the view that my reproduction is one of these isms I say good riddance. While that may sound mean I say it because I value the traditions of Western Civilization and my children and hope both continue after I die.
How I learned to love demographic decline.
Having a third child was the most overt political statement my wife and I made (although politics was not the purpose for having the child). We crossed that magical line that makes the overeducated crowd give you a strange look that signals, “Oh, you are one of them”. Being a woman, my wife has felt the brunt of the feminist disdain.
Gene Berman, I used to feel the same way; depressed at demographic decline. Now I take solace in the fact that the people who are looking down their noses at us are evolutionary dead ends.
Razib, are you saying while its normal that nonwhite women prefer their own race, in the case of white women the only reason they would prefer – ugh loser, nerdy “white males” is because of racism and oppression. “The System of White Supremacy!”
Here is the course description. It sounds like you need to already know lots of Calc and Linear Algebra:
“This is probably the most difficult undergraduate math class in the country; a variety of advanced topics in mathematics are covered, and problem sets ask students to prove many fundamental theorems of analysis and linear algebra. Class meets three hours per week, plus one hour of section, and problem sets can take anywhere from 24 to 60 hours to complete. This class is usually small and taught by a well-established and prominent member of the faculty whose teaching ability can vary from year to year. A thorough knowledge of multivariable calculus and linear algebra is almost absolutely required, and any other prior knowledge can only help. Students who benefit the most from this class have taken substantial amounts of advanced mathematics and are fairly fluent in the writing of proofs. Due to the necessity of working in groups and the extensive amount of time spent working together, students usually meet some of their best friends in this class. The difficulty of this class varies with the professor, but the class often contains former members of the International Math Olympiad teams, and in any event, it is designed for people with some years of university level mathematical experience. In order to challenge all students in the class, the professor can opt to make the class very, very difficult.”
the link is here: http://www.math.harvard.edu/pamphlets/freshmenguide.html