Res:

It’s fun to see what happens when someone who does not understand something (you and the word “prove”, apparently) chooses to debate it.

Stranger:
This guy is spamming the board, delivering condesending ad-hominen insults to anyone who disagrees with him! I had to iggy him.

Stranger:

Nigeria has the highest GDP and highest average income, and highest average IQ in Africa. The difference between IQ in Nigeria(84) and Equatorial Guinea(59) is stunning! https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

Res:

How sure about that Nigerian IQ of 84 are you?

Stranger:

Just click that link I gave. It says
[[These numbers came from a work carried out from 2002 to 2006 by Richard Lynn, a British Professor of Psychology, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finnish Professor of Political Science, who conducted IQ studies in more than 80 countries.]]
.. And those guys are the gold-standard on this topic.

Res:

Nice projection with accusing me of not clicking your link

Stranger:
Sounds paranoid-schiczo!
I made an assertion, then you asked a question about it, and I answered.
You never made any assertion.
Sounds like you have a personal involvement in this topic, and you are trying to keep your head down while at the same time, throw shit at those who rock your boat. LOL!

Stranger:

Nigeria has the highest GDP and highest average income, and highest average IQ in Africa. The difference between IQ in Nigeria(84) and Equatorial Guinea(59) is stunning! https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

Res:

How sure about that Nigerian IQ of 84 are you?

Stranger: Just click that link I gave. It says
[[These numbers came from a work carried out from 2002 to 2006 by Richard Lynn, a British Professor of Psychology, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finnish Professor of Political Science, who conducted IQ studies in more than 80 countries.]]
.. And those guys are the gold-standard on this topic.

Article: [[Recent immigrants from Africa in the sample may have affected the scores reported here as migrants may have been selected for cognitive ability when they emigrated from their home countries.]]

Exactly: “migrants may have been selected for cognitive ability when they emigrated from their home countries”, but not in the time-frame he implies!
…… migrants may have been selected for cognitive ability when they emigrated from their home countries” ___ when they migrated as slaves three hundred or so, years ago!
The people who ended up as slaves were the dumbest of the bunch. African families traditionally sold unwanted family members to the Arab slave traders. And they still do, to this day!

And BTW, it also depends on WHICH African country they migrated from. For example: Nigeria has the highest GDP and highest average income, and highest average IQ in Africa. The difference between IQ in Nigeria(84) and Equatorial Guinea(59) is stunning! https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

SEE COMMENT 172.

There is. or at least was, a professor in the Department of Materials Science & Engineering at MIT, where Chomsky is Professor Emeritus of Linguistics, who spoke out publicly regarding certain anomalies found in the debris of the twin towers (not Building 7). Prof. Chomsky could have simply walked across campus and, no doubt, gotten an audience with his fellow faculty member, had he chosen to do so.

Ridiculing the public statements of someone with actual expertise in a relevant field by implying that none who have spoken out are qualified to do so is intellectually dishonest in the extreme.

Chomsky is a fraud.

TURTLE in COMMENT 169: There is. or at least was, a professor in the Department of Materials Science & Engineering at MIT, where Chomsky is Professor Emeritus of Linguistics, who spoke out publicly regarding certain anomalies found in the debris of the twin towers (not Building 7). Prof. Chomsky could have simply walked across campus and, no doubt, gotten an audience with his fellow faculty member, had he chosen to do so.

Ridiculing the public statements of someone with actual expertise in a relevant field by implying that none who have spoken out are qualified to do so is intellectually dishonest in the extreme.

Chomsky is a fraud.

STRANGER: Agreed! There are also the 1500 architects and engineers at “Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth” https://www.ae911truth.org/ who have spoken out, and who are well qualified to do so. Same goes for Pilots for 9/11 Truth http://pilotsfor911truth.org/ .

CHOMSKY himself always stays within the Overton window, and makes a show of it:

Chomsky goes beyond maintaining a strategic silence on 9/11, to inciting smear-campaigns against skeptics of the official narrative of 9/11. He demeans “truthers”: “Their lives are no good… Their lives are collapsing…They are people at a loss… Nothing makes any sense… They don’t understand what an explanation is… They think they are experts in physics and civil engineering on the basis of one hour on the Internet.”

“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum — even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. – Noam Chomsky”

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/516842-the-smart-way-to-keep-people-passive-and-obedient-is

COMMENT: Chomsky is talking about the Overton window: the range of ideas that “The Powers That Be” (TPTB) will allow in public discussion.

EXAMPLES:
(1) Tucker Carson recently went outside the Overton window, when he said “white supremacy is a hoax”, then TPTB immediately “vacationed” him for political reeducation, and now he is safely back within the window, rattling his cage on issues harmless to TPTB.

(2) The Controlled Protest Press (CPP) will often blame economic problems on the Federal-Reserve making wrong moves, and suggest the right moves the Fed should make instead, as the correct solution. But the CPP will never suggest that the correct solution is to end the Fed and the private currency they issue, and to return the currency-issuing power to the government, as required by the constitution (Article I Section 8). Because that’s outside the Overton window.

(3) The CPP will often complain about the government ignoring warning signs before the 9/11 attack, and botching their response after it happened. But the CPP will never suggest the whole thing was an inside job to garner public support for bankers oil wars in the middle east. Because that’s outside the Overton window.

Just like with Bin Laden’s sea burrial – if we get no direct physical confirmation, option 3 becomes the most enticing!

The latest news is: Epstein’s lawyers are not satisfied with the official story and are demanding a full investigation, including release of prison videos.
This of course is just a bit of reverse-psychology and controlled protest: when their final report comes in it will say: “aw-shit! we were wrong – the official story was right all along!”. And this will pacify the real protesters.
In the meanwhile, Epstein sits on a beach in Tel Aviv, and gloats about his great escape.

The Epstein fiasco just goes to show you: the system is rotten to the core and everybody is in on it!

Tucker was “vacationed” indefinitely, right after he said “white supremacy is a hoax”. Where he remains to this very day.

We’re supposed to believe that Tucker has “gone fishin’ but I’m not buying it. Tucker committed the unforgivable sin of driving outside the (((cast iron guardrails))) yet again on racial matters this time by mocking claims that American is a white supremacist fever swamp. We’ll see if he gets the memo or if he’s on borrowed time from now on.

Tucker was “vacationed” indefinitely, right after he said “white supremacy is a hoax”. Where he remains to this very day.

I don’t think so this time…but his days are probably numbered.

CORRECTION: “people become more Eastern-looking as you move across Northern Eurasia from WEST to EAST.”

Interesting details of how Finns got their slightly Eastern look!
However, regardless of the details, people become more Eastern-looking as you move across Northern Eurasia from east to west. There is even a pocket of very Eastern-looking people a few hundred miles S.E. of Moscow. And this video made by the city police in Yakutsk, Russia, shows you how people look there.
https://twitter.com/mvd_official/status/1061945224174489602 Russia: Yakutsk police – twerk video (funny!)

Tucker was “vacationed” indefinitely, right after he said “white supremacy is a hoax”. Where he remains to this very day.

One can reasonably expect East-Asians to do better on average because of their higher mean IQ, but they have fewer outliers (which means that there are fewer dumb East-Asians per capita, but fewer geniuses as well.) They haven’t come up with nearly as many ground-breaking inventions as whites have, they mostly seem to improve already existing technologies.

Whites have been living in welfare states for longer than Asians and welfare has a dysgenic effect. In recent decades white intelligence is declining especially fast because our birth rates are the highest among the least effective elements of our population, while it’s the lowest among the most effective elements, in fact extremely intelligent people do not have children at all. With ideologies like feminisism permeating our society this decline is accelerating. White IQ was probably in the 115 range some 200 years ago, roughly around the time of the industrial revolution.

With countries like China making major strides it’s likely they’ll face the same intelligence crisis in the future, that is unless its government is willing to implement an eugenics program.

“Dysgenics and Low Creativity: Why China Can’t Save Civilization” https://www.unz.com/article/dysgenics_and_low_creativity_why_china_cant_save_civilization/

[[… research, led by a Japanese psychologist called Kenya Kura, which has shown that Northeast Asians are genetically less intellectually creative than Europeans. _____ [Why do Northeast Asians Win So Few Nobel Prizes?, By Kenya Kura et al., Comprehensive Psychology, 4: 2015] Northeast Asians, compared to Europeans, have higher gene frequencies of polymorphisms which make people collectivist, socially anxious, and fearful of anything novel. Kura and his team argue that this is adaptation to a particular ecology, where it is vital to stay in a tightly_bonded group.

However, they note that scientific innovators tend to combine very high IQ with an optimally low level of collectivism, low social anxiety and low fearfulness of the new. In other words, they have high “Openness_Intellect”, as psychologists term this trait. This psychological profile means that they can think outside the box and don’t care about the offence to vested interests which their new idea will almost certainly result in.

This is why, maintains Kura, it is the West that generated the Industrial Revolution, rather than more intelligent Northeast Asians. The West is indeed the Goldilocks Zone for genius.]]

Some South Indian Brahmins have been quiet good at mathematics for a long time.

India has a national average IQ of 82, which is quite low. However the Brahmin caste has an average IQ of 115 – the highest of any identifiable ethnic group http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html __ According to Richard Lynn, a British psychologist, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finnish political scientist

Brahmin run India’s computer software industry, out of Bangalore. And almost all the Indian doctors in the US are Brahmin. The flood of Brahmins leaving India for America, amounts to a massive brain_drain for India.
https://brahminsexposed.wordpress.com/2016/01/17/54/ [[Out of the total Indian doctors in the U.S.A. 67% are Brahmins. Instead of serving the poor masses of India, these doctors have opted to work in rich America and other Western countries. ____ Brahmin representation in the fields of engineering and law is 53 % and 57 % respectively. In the field of education their teachers and professors make up more than 51 %.]]

are you in fact racist?

OH NO! 😱! Not that word!
The PCer are bringing out their big guns now!

Ya know some folks are going to read this and think it is bonafide and not humored sarcasm

It can be both true and sarcasm. And it is! All the facts presented can be verified by googling. It’s just the composite they paint is a nation living in an artificial reality balloon, inflated for them by socialist-idealist wishful thinkers. A balloon soon to be popped by the pin of harsh reality.

Epstein is likely still alive.

There is no confirmation that body was his.

Yea, “they” told us Osama bin Ladin was dumped in the ocean. I didn’t believe that either, but what the heck – we’re just the audience, and the magic show must go on.

I see only two possibilities;
1) Epstein was suicidal and after his first attempt he was was left alone to try again.
2) “They” killed him.

Stranger:
A 3rd possibility is making the rounds:
3) They faked his death and now is on a Tel Aviv beach.

Also, at this site, https://phibetaiota.net/2019/08/robert-steele-epstein-is-not-dead-he-is-on-his-way-to-israel/ if you scroll down, there is a good set of photos comparing the nose on Epstein alive with the nose on the dead guy on the gurney, and they look different to me.

Interesting theory, Amanda!

Freelance-journalist Roger Stone makes the case that the body carried out on the gurney was not that of Epstein. He compares pictures of faces, focusing especially on nose and ear details.

I am not convinced, however. The details like a good match to me.

Next comes Assange,

the reason that’s chilling, is because it rings too true

And then on cue, we can sit back and count the seconds until they blame that on ‘the Russians’ as well.

At least killing Epstein, (that is if he isn’t still alive and being covertly whisked out of the country), would have been a noble act, in and of itself. Whereas Assange is a brave and heroic man.

Well, we can all rest at ease now, the whole Epstein charade has been figured out. .. Russia did it.

They “convenient-suicided” him! The Deep-Staters do it all the time. The Clintons for example, are famous for it. Next comes Assange,

Trump KNOWS! He just sold his soul, that’s all. He said at the “Henrico County, VA” rally on 2015/10/24:
“First of all, the original 9/11 investigation is a total mess and has to be reopened. How do two planes take out three buildings in the same day? I never got my head around the fact that nothing is mentioned about the destruction of Building 7 in the 585 page document”
https://thediplomaticwhore.com/2017/03/24/captain-matchbox-strikes-again/

At the general level, Trump always supports gun rights; but at the detail level he always opposes them. For example: he banned bump-stocks. He used to be a card-carrying Democrat in his younger days, you know, before he went undercover.

The Overton window, also known as the window of discourse, is the range of ideas the public will accept. It is used by media pundits. The term is named after Joseph P. Overton, who stated that an idea’s political viability depends mainly on whether it falls within this range, rather than on politicians’ individual preferences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

Joseph P. Overton (Born Jan 4 1960; Died Jun 30 2003, at age 43) was a Senior Vice President of the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.

follyofwar…talking about Tulsi’s vote against BDS. She lost a lot of support with that vote, support she can’t afford to lose.

Voicum: it is not trivial to be against regime change ..

Stranger: You miss the point.
With the American voters, it is a huge error to be against free speech, for any reason.

Voicum: So regime changing and wars are OK with American people ?

Stranger: They have a long tradition of not surrendering free-speech in exchange for promises from lefties that it’s all for their own good. For example: a Founding Father of the United States,
Benjamin Franklin, once said: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

YESTERDAY RECAP
Stranger:

Re: “The Best Guide for the Perplexed Progressive” by John V. Walsh

Comment: “The Guide for the Perplexed”, by Moses Maimonides
https://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/gfp/
… is where Welsh plagiarized his title from.

Stand-in:

Silly commenter. The title is an obvious reference to Maimonides.
Only an idiot would mistake it for plagiarism.

Stranger:

It’s still plagiarism no matter how many people recognize the source. But the point here is: a lot of readers in this general audience would not recognizes that source.

Stand-in:

Silly … idiot…

Stranger:

Ad hominem nonsense.

TODAY NEW
Anonymous[304] (same guy hiding under a new ID! LOL! Probably Welsh defending his own article, undercover!)
[[allusion like this isn’t “plagiarism.”]]

Stranger:
Yes it is!
[(https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plagiarizing
Definition of plagiarize
transitive verb
: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one’s own : use (another’s production) without crediting the source
intransitive verb
: to commit literary theft : present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source]]
… matches perfectly!

Anon[304]

Your comment seems even more petty with your defensiveness about it. Why did you post it to begin with?

Stranger: MORE ad-hominem nonsense!

Stranger:

Re: “The Best Guide for the Perplexed Progressive” by John V. Walsh

Comment: “The Guide for the Perplexed”, by Moses Maimonides
https://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/gfp/
… is where Welsh plagiarized his title from.

Stand-in:

Silly commenter. The title is an obvious reference to Maimonides.
Only an idiot would mistake it for plagiarism.

Stranger: It’s still plagiarism no matter how many people recognize the source. But the point here is: a lot of readers in this general audience would not recognizes that source.

Stand-in:

Silly … idiot…

Ad hominem nonsense.

follyofwar…talking about Tulsi’s vote against BDS. She lost a lot of support with that vote, support she can’t afford to lose.

Voicum: it is not trivial to be against regime change ..

Stranger: You miss the point.
With the American voters, it is a huge error to be against free speech, for any reason.

It is true that she has wrongly voted against BDS and free speech.

… a mistake she will never recover from.
You know what they say: “ONE aw-shit cancels out a THOUSAND attaboys!”

Without looking it up, I’m assuming you are talking about Tulsi’s vote against BDS. She lost a lot of support with that vote, support she can’t afford to lose. I made a small contribution to help her get into the debates. Now I’m done with her. Take away her talk opposing these ‘regime change’ wars, and she’s just like the rest of them.

Re: “The Best Guide for the Perplexed Progressive” by John V. Walsh

Comment: “The Guide for the Perplexed”, by Moses Maimonides
https://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/gfp/

… is where Welsh plagiarized his title from.

Headline: “Our Reigning Political Puppets, Dancing to Invisible Strings”

Comment: It is important to distinguish between a PUPPET and a USEFUL IDIOT.
The commonaity is: both are being used by some 3rd party’s to further their own agenda.
The difference is: the PUPPET knows his is being used, the USEFUL IDIOT not.

For example, all US presidents since and including Wilson have been PUPPETS, except Reagan who was a USEFUL IDIOT, and JFK who was neither. And the 3rd party pulling the strings has always been the owners of the private central-bank and currency.

IN A NUTSHELL:
(A) Intelligence: is the ability to solve problems that you have never seen before.
(B) Creativity: is the ability to come up with something new.
In a sense (A) always involves (B), because in (A) you have to come up with something “new to YOU”. Nevertheless, (B) usually implies “new to EVERYONE”.
________
Creativity: the ability to create.
Create: Etymology: from Latin creātus, “to beget, give birth to”.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creativity

This is the most thoroughgoing rebuttal of the official holocaust narrative I have seen so far.

“One third of the holocaust” by Jewish Historian David Cole. And excellent piece of research.
https://archive.org/details/OneThirdOfTheHolocaustHDVideoHQSound

Click the icon twice then wait a few seconds.

BUT BEWARE! This version seems to be fairly original (dated 2006). There is a new pro-zionist propaganda remake of this video circulating on the web now, nothing like the original.

BTW: David Cole was later forced to recant, but then so was Galileo.

“One third of the holocaust” by Jewish Historian David Cole. And excellent piece of research.
https://archive.org/details/OneThirdOfTheHolocaustHDVideoHQSound

This version seems to be fairly original (dated 2006). Beware! There is a new propaganda remake video circulating, nothing like the original.

RE:

.. A very thorough analysis by a forensic scientist!

– Homosexuality isn’t even the worst of it anymore. It’s the trans lobby. And the attempt to indoctrinate children in that ideology.

– Why more people don’t speak out against all this insanity is quite confusing. You can’t tell me 50 and 70 year old have suddenly had a generational change of heart.

– “Normal” and “abnormal” have moral connotation. And many times, it is appropriate.

But from a more neutral point, LGBTQ can be judged based on “useful” and “not useful” in regards to society and social progress.

Is homosexuality useful? In certain limited situations and times it might be.

Today, maybe it’s a useful instrument to accelerate collapse.

1. TOLERANCE: it means the right to be left alone.
2. ACCEPTANCE: it means equal status.
3. CELEBRATION: it means that everyone must accept homosexuality and promote it as a good valuable thing.
4. FORCED PARTICIPATION: it means that everyone must participate in homosexuality culture.
5. PUNISHMENT: it means that everyone who disagrees must be punished.

I think step 5 should be restated as step 1.a., 2.a, 3.a.,4.a.

Punishment of those who disobey is part of the toolkit of every cult.

We haven’t won a war in a long time. And winning wars is what the Empire hired us for, and losing wars is what they are now firing us for.

IN MORE DETAIL:
In 1913 came the “Federal”-Reserve act. That means the US formally became a Rothschild financial colony, and the Rothschilds drafted the US into the service of their Empire in the special role of their Foreign Legion. The deal with America was: we would fight all their wars of financial colonial expansion for them, and in return we could run up an unlimited debt on our credit card tab with them. Basically we sold our sons as cannon-fodder for a credit card. (The catch was: we pay for the wars on our own credit card.)
… and now, because of our poor performance as Foreign Legion, they are cancelling our credit card.

Serena Williams looks like Mike Tyson. And I don’t mean the skin color, I mean the muscles. Awful!

Stranger: Here’s the problem: I am getting conflicting opinions on whether …
(1) The Bank of Canada remains a government-owned corporation, but the Canadian government just ignores it and borrows money from other, privately-owned, banks.
OR
(2) The Bank of Canada is now privately-owned and the government borrows from it anyways.

MEFOBILLS: To your question, I’m not sure about 1 or 2 the same as you.
BOC is definitely not issuing debt free anymore, and private banks are running wild…. we can see that in the debt charts.

Stranger: Thanks MEFOBILLS! I’ll just keep the file open

MEFOBILLS: The economic profession is a shambles, and data is hard to find.

Stranger: Agreed! I think info is hard to find by design!

Hi MEFOBILLS! Good comment! I researched the topic some more.
I found the link you got your chart from. https://qualicuminstitute.ca/federal-debt/ But the text differs. Is the text your own spin? If not where did it come from? Either way do you have a link to it.
Here’s the problem: I am getting conflicting opinions on whether …
(1) The Bank of Canada remains a government-owned corporation, but the Canadian government just ignores it and borrows money from other, privately-owned, banks.
OR
(2) The Bank of Canada is now privately-owned and the government borrows from it anyways.

I need definitive links on this.
Thanks!

SAKER: “Debunking the Rumors About Russia Caving in to Israel”

STRANGER:
Russia has a huge number of billionaires. Putin is one of them. He knows not to rock the boat.

Trump and Putin have a lot in common: BOTH are billionaires, BOTH have daughters married to Jewish bankers, and BOTH have Jewish grandkids. That’s why they work well together.

Putin’s daughter marries a Jewish Oligarch – Katerina, 29, described herself as the “spouse” of Kirill Shamalov (Jewish), son of Nikolai Shamalov, a longtime friend of the president. Shamalov senior is a shareholder in Bank Rossiya, which U.S. officials have described as the personal bank of the Russian elite. As husband and wife, Kirill and Katerina would have corporate holdings worth about $2 billion. Nov 11, 2015 http://laconics.forumotion.com/t4053-putin-s-daughter-marries-a-jewish-oligarch

Nov 11, 2015 The CBR[Central Bank of Russia] is a member of Rothschild´s BIS[Bank of International Settlements], the central bank of central banks in Basel. Rothschild controls the CBR via his FED[Federal Reserve system in US], making the CBR unable to print more rubles than corresponding to its supply of foreign exchange. Russia sells oil for dollars. For the dollars, Russia buys US bonds, whereby the dollars return to the US FED. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i…
—
Private shareholders own 50% of the shares in the CBR[Central Bank of Russia], and those shares are mostly owned by the same people who own the Federal-Reserve Banks in the US, and own the central banks and currencies of a lot of other countries.
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BOTTOM LINE:
The owners of the CBR[Central Bank of Russia] are Jewish and they have Putin by the balls, so what they want Putin does. And the bankers want THE JEWISH STATE FIRST.

Professional Stranger:
The World Bank, IMF, as well as the US Federal Reserve, the ECB and many more national central banks, are all privately owned, and the ownership heirarchy traces back to the same group of people.

These people are the beneficiaries of the operation, not the US. We are just one of their victims. Our role in their financial empire is to fight their wars of colonial expansion for them, and pick up the tab for the privilege.
For more info see: “All Wars are Bankers’ Wars” by Mike Rivero

Wizard of Oz
Would you please elaborate on the legal argument for calling them all “privately owned”. And if you are not referring to legal ownership would you please explain what you mean by “privately owned” and how it applies to those institutions?

Stranger: Sure: Here’s the ownership hierarchy for one of those institutions: the Federal Reserve Bank group in the U.S. ___
__The 12 Federal Reserve Banks are PRIVATE corporations. Their shares are not listed on any exchange. Who owns the shares is not public knowledge. Nevertheless, some researchers have sleuthed it down. See this chart ..
[[Ownership-hierarchy chart of the 12 Federal-Reserve Banks]]
https://www.scribd.com/document/6155111/Chart-of-Who-Owns-the-Federal-Reserve
.. and see that it all traces back to “N.M. Rothschild , London – Bank of “, regardless of all the intermediate steps.]]

How it happened:
1913 was a busy year in the financial colonization of America.
TIMELINE:
• Feb 3, 1913 The 16TH AMENDMENT passed. Right to levy an income tax established.
• Oct 3, 1913 THE REVENUE ACT (INCOME TAX ACT) passed.
• Dec 23, 1913 The FEDERAL RESERVE ACT passed. Congress unconstitutionally delegated the currency-issuing power to private banks, and pledged income-tax revenue as collateral to borrow the banks’ new private currency.
The income tax was earmarked to pay the interest on the private counterfeit currency the government thenceforth would borrow.
• 1914-2019 Nothing but trouble.

MORE INFO:
“Jekyll Island The Truth Behind The Federal Reserve” —- by Bill Still

These people are the beneficiaries of the operation, not the US. We are just one of their victims. Our role in their financial empire is to fight their wars of colonial expansion for them, and pick up the tab for the privilege.

Thanks Stranger for your timely reminder. Indeed, the indebtedness of the whole world ends up in the pockets of the banking cabal as an ocean of profit taking. After all, that’s why globalization is so handy and the NUSA the enforcer.

And the idiots here bleat: “Is the communists”.

The unconstitutional and zionist privately own FED and IRS were both fastened on America in 1913 and they can be abolished if enough Americans were to realize that we were sold out the zionist banking kabal by Wilson and a corrupt congress, we need to return to having the currency created by the US government, this is the only way we can ever be free of these zionist banking bastards who have kept us in war and in debt ever since 1913!

The World Bank, IMF, as well as the US Federal Reserve, the ECB and many more national central banks, are all privately owned, and the ownership heirarchy traces back to the same group of people.

These people are the beneficiaries of the operation, not the US. We are just one of their victims. Our role in their financial empire is to fight their wars of colonial expansion for them, and pick up the tab for the privilege.

For more info see: “All Wars are Bankers’ Wars” by Mike Rivero

Ryckeart: Wrongly quotes Stranger in COMMENT 213 as saying Jews “are not racist”, then rebuts it by slamming Ashkenazis.

Stranger: Strawman! No-one (including myself) has mentioned [Jews “are not racist’] , in the thread so far. You are rebutting your own strawman.
You have lost the thread of this discussion. Time for a recap!
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RECAP
COMMENT 176: Colin Wright: [Take as seen a dozen photos of spectacularly “ugly Jewesses”.]

COMMENT 178: Lot: Posts a pic supposedly supporting “ugly Jewesses.”

COMMENT 189: Stranger: rebuts COMMENT 178 “ugly Jewesses” with example of “beautiful Jewesses” -Miss Israel 2015, Avigail Alfatov.

193: Ryckeart: Rebuts 189 “beautiful Jewesses” with “this is a typical example of Jewish “gene theft”.

201: Rebuts 193 “gene theft”, by arguing thar out-breeding is not any kind of theft but a biological necessity for all species. And supplies quotes from Jewish Law supporting out-breeding: supporting immigration, equal rights for immigrants; and a quote opposing in-breeding.

212: Annamaria: rebuts 193 “ “beautiful Jewesses” by arguing that “Both her parents were born in Ukraine…” implying “Ashkenazi Jews are not real Jews”.

213: Stranger: rebuts 212 “Ashkenazi Jews are not real Jews” by arguing
” Ashkenazi Jews (including Theo Herzl) were the driving force in the establishment of the modern state of Israel. There has never been a non-Ashkenazi Prime Minister (not President) of Israel. Ashkenazis run the show in Israel, and constitute a large percentage of the Jewish population. And Ashkenazi means European ancestry (mostly Eastern European). If Israeli Ashkenazi Jews were not real Jews, the whole show would have to be cancelled.”

214: Ryckaert: introduces a strawman [Jews “are not racist”] which no-one has mentioned in the thread so far, and then goes on to rebut his own strawman.

214: Ryckaert: supports 212 Annamaria’s “Ashkenazi Jews are not real Jews”. with “That blond Israeli model may be the child of a quarter Jew and a non-Jew, i.e. she might be only 1/8 Jewish. Small wonder she doesn’t look Jewish at all.” … already rebutted in 213.

annamaria. Avigail Alfatov .. Both her parents were born in Ukraine.
You are funny.

Stranger. Ad-hominem response. If you disagree with something I said try to say why. Try to explain what it is you find funny, and what it implies. Perhaps: (1) Ukrainian Jews are not real Jews (2) Jews not born in Israel are not real Jews (3) Avigail personally, is not a Jew for some reason (4) Other.

REMEMBER: Ashkenazi Jews (including Theo Herzl) were the driving force in the establishment of the modern state of Israel. There has never been a non-Ashkenazi Prime Minister (not President) of Israel. Ashkenazis run the show in Israel, and constitute a large percentage of the Jewish population. And Ashkenazi means European ancestry (mostly Eastern European). If Israeli Ashkenazi Jews were not real Jews, the whole show would have to be cancelled.

ISRAELI ASHKENAZIS – SOME TOPICAL EXAMPLES:
(1) Avigail Alfatov
Both her parents were born in Ukraine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avigail_Alfatov

(2) Benjamin Netanyahu
“all his grandparents were born in the Russian Empire (now Belarus, Lithuania and Poland)”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu#Family

(3) Tzipi Livni whose picture I posted too. Her dad was born in Poland.

(4) Millions more.

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ON THE OTHER HAND, Annamaria: You might just be being catty – jealous of Avigail because she is so beautiful, and famous!

eah: I was referring to the question I asked: …why is he an “anti-Semite”?

Strangers: People here are not restricted to comment on the own comments. If they don’t specify which comment they are referring to, by default it is assumed to be the most recent one.
If this is not the case, always specify which comment you are referring to, or just repeat the text. Never assume other people can read your mind.

eah: You seem a little obtuse.

Stranger: Ad-hominem nonsense. Iggy.

Stranger: interbreeding for centuries, first causes physical and mental defectives, then extinction of the group. Outbreeding is healthy, and inbreeding not.

Anon(325): Was this the reason Rothchilds were marrying their nieces and cousins ?

Stranger: Inbreeding birth defects
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHZL_enUS773US777&biw=1163&bih=534&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=EqAeXeuhOPCt0PEPr_qQ8Aw&q=inbreeding+birth+defects&oq=inbreeding+&gs_l=img.1.5.0l10.34275.34275..39922…0.0..0.88.88.1……0….1..gws-wiz-img.i2WJUPob4jg#imgrc=FGPg21QFEn2zwM:

Anon(325): Some questions are more difficult to answer than others I suppose.

Blind: Right! STUPID questions meant to imply “the exception disproves the rule”, are hard to take seriously. Especially with no proof that the example is indeed an exception.

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[[The Habsburg Jaw And The Cost Of Royal Inbreeding
… the Habsburg jaw and the debilitating costs of rampant, decades-long incest among Europe’s most powerful royal families.]] https://allthatsinteresting.com/habsburg-jaw

[[In Europe, the House of Habsburg famously possessed the mandibular prognathism of the Habsburger (Unter) Lippe (otherwise known as the ‘Habsburg jaw’, ‘Habsburg lip’ or ‘Austrian lip’”). This was typical for many Habsburg relatives over a period of six centuries.

Due to multiple consanguineous marriages within the family, the condition progressed through the generations until the last Spanish Habsburg, Charles II of Spain (1661-1700), could not properly chew his food. Charles II had a large number of genetic, physical, intellectual, sexual, and emotional problems. His inbreeding coefficient was 0.254, equivalent to the offspring of brother–sister incest. His impotence/infertility led to the extinction of the (male) Spanish Habsburgs upon his death, triggering the War of the Spanish Succession, resulting in Spain’s rule by the French House of Bourbon.]] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding

Inbreeding birth defects
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHZL_enUS773US777&biw=1163&bih=534&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=EqAeXeuhOPCt0PEPr_qQ8Aw&q=inbreeding+birth+defects&oq=inbreeding+&gs_l=img.1.5.0l10.34275.34275..39922…0.0..0.88.88.1……0….1..gws-wiz-img.i2WJUPob4jg#imgrc=FGPg21QFEn2zwM:

This is a typical example of Jewish “gene theft”. They improved their race by absorbing some goodlooking Gentiles into their tribe.

What shit! Siblings and cousing interbreeding for centuries, first causes physical and mental defectives, then extinction of the group. Outbreeding is healthy, and inbreeding not. Moses warned in..
Leviticus 18:16 “None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
The Jewish nation has always welcomed immigrants. The book of Ruth is about an immigrant into the nation. And there are several passages mandating equal right for immigrants, which I quoted in an earlier comment.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hybrid%20vigor?&o=100074&s=t ● outbreeding = “hybrid vigor” _ The increased vigor or general health, resistance to disease, and other superior qualities that are often manifested in hybrid organisms, especially plants and animals. Compare inbreeding depression.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/inbreeding%20depression ● “inbreeding depression” _ The loss of vigor and general health that sometimes characterizes organisms that are the product of inbreeding. Compare hybrid vigor.

Originally all Jews looked like Mizrahi (“Oriental”) Jews look like today , i.e. like Arabs. Does this woman look like an Arab?

Even in olden days, King David and Esau both had red hair..
From Genesis 25:25 we read in JPS “And the first came forth ruddy[red] all over like a hairy mantle, and they called his name Esau.” And HaShem said, ‘Arise, anoint him; for this is he’”.

The word ruddy is a translation of the Hebrew word Admoni, which means red in reference to hair.

We also have in JPS 1 Samuel 17:42 “And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him; for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and withal of a fair countenance.” ___ [ruddy אַדְמֹנִי (‘admoniy) red]

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Unz.com articles are generally constructive criticism of things Jewish. But this thread has now degenerated into mindless Jew bashing.

That Webydo link suppressed all the jpg pics for some reason. Try this one instead ..
https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2013/07/28/an-israeli-special-forces-soldier-an-arab-investor-a-religious-zionist-and-a-lofty-start-up-called-webydo/#622993d844c7
… yeah that one shows the pics.

The anti-Semite suppressd the caption on that picture ..CAPTION: Ultra-orthodox (haredi) web designers utilize Webydo’s website-creation software (Photo by Leon Grin)
ORIGINAL here:
http://www.israelsir.com/eng/article/an-israeli-special-forces-commando-an-arab-investor-a-religious-zionist-and-a-hot-start-up-called-webydo

These ladies are techies – web designers, not beauty-pageant contestants. But check out their peers. This is an assortment of female web designers from around the world,
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=hhweXb2XPNqu0PEPs5SfwAs&q=female+web+designers&oq=female+web+designers&gs_l=img.12…0.0..4794…0.0..0.0.0…….0……gws-wiz-img.H7Z-PkVli2I
.. and you can easily see that the Israeli girls are in the top half of their class.

This guy is just making fun of elderly women.

“I misspelled Tzipi”

Tzipni Livni is getting older now too, but she was still quite attractive well into her 40s
https://www.jpost.com/Features/Behind-the-Lines-And-who-may-we-ask-is-Tzipi-Livni

Avigail Alfatov (Hebrew: אביגיל אלפטוב‎; born 28 February 1996) is an Israeli national fencing champion, soldier, model and beauty pageant titleholder. Alfatov was crowned 1st runner up in Miss Israel 2015. She represented Israel at the Miss Universe 2015 pageant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avigail_Alfatov

Comment 128 MikeP says: : “Schlomo”.
Comment 143 MikeP says: : “Schlomo”.
Comment 162 MikeP says: : “Schlomo”.

Comment 137 Professional Stranger says : “insults”

Comment * Professional Stranger says: “MikeP iggied”

the Mishanic Scale of Lineages

There is an overview here:
Talmud – Mas. Horayoth 13a:
“MISHNAH. A PRIEST TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER A LEVITE, A LEVITE OVER AN ISRAELITE, AN ISRAELITE OVER A BASTARD, A BASTARD OVER A NATHIN,39 A NATHIN OVER A PROSELYTE, AND A PROSELYTE OVER AN EMANCIPATED SLAVE. THIS ORDER OF PRECEDENCE APPLIES ONLY WHEN40 ALL THESE WERE IN OTHER RESPECTS EQUAL.”

And this book goes into it in more detail
BOOK: “Jewish Identity in Early Rabbinic Writings”
By Sacha Stern
https://books.google.com/books?id=ekhqsS8GKo8C&sitesec=buy&source=gbs_vpt_read

But you can browse some of the more relevant parts of the book here:
https://books.google.com/books?id=ekhqsS8GKo8C&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92&dq=Mishnaic+Scale+of+Lineages&source=bl&ots=kofAPQJwri&sig=ACfU3U1q9_f2cZU9oZ_zcVJS9-_HVQZIeg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNhdLivpPjAhWXGc0KHT3iCOMQ6AEwCXoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=Mishnaic%20Scale%20of%20Lineages&f=false

Jews are so xenophobic that the Rabbinical court frequently reverses earnest conversions and applies a cultural barrier to converts (the Mishanic Scale of Lineages) that effectively ostracizes them and their descendants indefinitely.

Well it’s more due to “class-consciousness” than “xenophobia”, but those incidents do occur. Here is an example:
https://www.haaretz.com/1.4749841
“Not Jewish Enough to Marry a Cohen” – Amiram Barkat 18.02.2005
Irina Plotnikov cannot marry the man she loves, Shmuel Cohen, even though she is Jewish according to halakha (Jewish religious law). A rabbinic court in Jerusalem ruled recently that even though Plotnikov is Jewish, she is not eligible to marry a Cohen since her father is not Jewish. According to Jewish tradition, people with the surname Cohen are descendants of the priests that served in the Temple in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago.

The couple were shocked by the court’s verdict. “None of the rabbis had told us there might be a problem,” Plotnikov says.]]
… that is an example of a refusal to start a marriage, and examples exist too, where courts have reversed existing marriages,

The Mishnaic Scale of Lineages is quite openly and clearly a formal racial barrier to inclusion in the Jewish group.

It is a barrier to social-class upward mobility. Such barriers exist in most Euro nations too, for example, even if not well documented. However such barriers haves been totally ineffective as national racial barriers.

And the relevant point to this discussion is: in the case of the Jewish nation, such social barriers haves been totally ineffective as national racial barrier, too.

Lineage is a social thing, race is a biological thing.

Time to revisit Shlomo Sand!

https://www.haaretz.com/1.5086924
Israeli Wins French Prize for Book Questioning Origins of Jewish People:
Shlomo Sand of Tel Aviv University is the author of
“The Invention of the Jewish People”

REVIEW OF THE BOOK by Gilad Atzmon – 2009
https://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/shlomo-sands-the-invention-of-the-jewish-people-book-review.html

Though most contemporary Jews are utterly convinced that their ancestors are the Biblical Israelites who happened to be exiled brutally by the Romans, truth must be said. Contemporary Jews have nothing to do with ancient Israelites, who have never been sent to exile because such an expulsion has never taken place. The Roman Exile is just another Jewish myth.

But the chances that the Palestinians are descendants of the ancient Judaic people are much greater than the chances that you or I are its descendents.
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One may wonder, if the Palestinians are the real Jews, who are those who insist upon calling themselves Jews? Sand’s answer is rather simple, yet it makes a lot of sense.

“The people did not spread, but the Jewish religion spread. Judaism was a converting religion. Contrary to popular opinion, in early Judaism there was a great thirst to convert others.”(13)

You are playing insults and semantics, but the fact remains:

The Jewish nation has a long history of accepting immigrants, and it shows (see pictures earlier).

[But first we must understand that throughout Jewish history, the religious hierarchy was the only national institution, so naturally immigration was handled by them. And this is why immigration into the nation is hard to distinguish from conversion to the national religion, as a stand-alone process.]

Examples of immigration/conversion:
Ruth 1:16. “wherever you go I will go, wherever you lodge I will lodge; your people shall be my people and your God shall be my God.”

Joshua 6 25. “And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father’s household, and all that she had; and she lives in Israel even to this day; because she hid the messengers, whom Joshua sent to spy out Jericho.”

Leviticus 24:22. “You shall have one manner of law, as well for the proselyte as for the home_born. One law shall there be for you and for the convert”

Deuteronomy 1:16. ” And thou shalt judge righteously between man and his brothers and the convert…”

If accepting immigrants produced a pure race, then an Angus cattle breeder should not be faulted for introducing a few Holsteins!

BTW: The so-called “Cohen gene” shows up all over Europe and the Middle-East, but with the highest frequency among Turks. Which supports Ashkenazi Jews Southern-Russian/Turkic/Khazarian origin, not Arabic origin. http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html [[KHAZARIA.COM Resource for Turkic and Jewish History in Russia and Ukraine]]

Very interesting Dimitri! I took a copy of your post including to 2 links.

I don’t want to drift too far off topic, but just while we are we are here. There is agreement between the Hindu principle of detachment and the Jewish Tanakh Jeremiah 9:22_23: “Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, nor let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches; But let him who glories glory in this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the Lord.”

MORE…
https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/123954/80-ethiopian-jews-arrive-israel/
80 More Ethiopian Jews Arrive in Israel – March 8, 2019

“The Jews” are a NATION, not a RACE. Judaism is the NATIONAL RELIGION.

Yes, tens of thousands of Indian Israelis are living Southern Israel, particularly in cities like Ashdod.

There’s even a “Miss India” competition in Ashdod.

Racially Israeli-Jewish Indians do not appear different from Hindu and Muslim Indians.

They dance the same as Hindus.

Just religious costume is different from a Hindu one

MORE…
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/chinese-kaifeng-jews-seek-new-lives-israel-n527876
Chinese Kaifeng Jewish Women arrive in Israel – March 1, 2016

“The Jews” are a NATION, Judaism is the NATIONAL RELIGION.

.. MORE
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-42731363
[[Israel’s Indian Jews and their lives in the ‘promised land’ – 19 January 2018]]

“The Jews” are a NATION, Judaism is the NATIONAL RELIGION.

LANCE WELTON: Hazony either does not “understand,” or is flat-out lying about, the fact that Israel is an ethnostate and that Jews are a race.

Stranger: Wrong! WELTON either does not “understand,” or is flat-out lying.

“The Jews” are a nation, not a race. The Torah says
Exodus 19:6 “an holy nation( גּוֹי goy)..the children of Israel. ” The Jewish nation referred to as “goy”
Gen 12:2 “I will make of you a great nation.” nation = גּוֹי goy
[Repeated several times with minor variations]
In MODERN TIMES, “goy” has come to means “a member of a nation OTHER than the JEWISH NATION” Goyim is plural.

To see a list of all the races in the Jewish nation see..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions … see the pictures of the people, especially
“Chinese Jews from the city of Kaifeng, China, circa 1900”

The Jews are a nation.
“Nation” is not the same as “country”. A nation is a big social group, and a country is land possessed by a nation. Members of nations that possess a country, find it hard to make a distinction between “nation” and “country”. And their confusion has even reached some dictionaries.
However there exist stateless nations, notably the Jews(until 1948), the Gypsies, and the Kurds. Members of stateless nations understand the difference between “nation” and “country”.

Nation_binding forces include: common national religion, common possession of a country, common language, common customs, common history, common race, and more, making about 10 possible common qualities.

A common national religion is especially important for a STATELESS nation, who have no “common possession of a country” to bind them. But when a stateless nation acquires a country, the national_religion immediately becomes less important. The Jews and Israel, for example. More than half Israeli Jews are secular, in the Diaspora it’s less than half.

Common race helps too, if the others look like you, you tend to bind with them more easily. In any case you need about 4 hits of the 10 common qualities to have any chance of forming a nation.

A revolution is a strong nation binding force. Shedding blood together.
Even blood shedded by outsiders: The Armenian genocide is a binding force for the Armenians, and the Holocaust is a binding force for the Jews.

“Multi_culturalism/ethnic_mosaic” just means ZERO shared common qualities and there is NO NATION.
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SOME 2ND OPINIONS:
http://www.wzo.org.il/en/resources/view.asp?id=1631&subject=44
“A nation is …a historical group of men of a recognizable cohesion held together by a common enemy.” … Theodore Herzl

http://www.fincher.org/quotes/Magazines.shtml
“A nation is a group of people united by a common dislike of their neighbors and a common misconception about their ethnic origins.” … Karl Deutsch

Stranger: The parasite is the group of private central bank owners. And they are all Jews. However, remember, not all Jews are private central bank owners.

Bengal: Sure they are a major problem, but they aren’t solely the problem. There are others…..who happen to be JEWS

Central Bankers are not the only class of parasite, there are other classes of parasite too. The point here is: many members of many parasite classes are Jews, but not all Jews are members of any parasite class.

For example:
(1) About .00000001% of Jews are central-bank owners, however
(2) Jews have a disproportionately high representation among DENTISTS.

Also see my Comment 61, for the effect of Jewish sects on this.

Art: Parasite is an appt word to describe the Jews and their culture in the West

Stranger: The parasite is the group of private central bank owners. And they are all Jews. However, remember, not all Jews are private central bank owners.
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COMMENT: CONTROL of its HOST, and DISGUISE of its presence is the goal of every PARASITE

Shamir: “Jews are wannabe Brahmins”

Stranger: Far too broad a generalization. Jews came in all flavors. Qualify your statement.

Similarly with the opposite: “Jews are parasites”. The private central-bank-and-currency owners are certainlty parasites, and most are Jews. However most Jews are NOT private central-bank-and-currency owners.

Stranger
“The whole modern state of Israel is an exercise in a game of self-fulfilling prophecy(1) by the Rothschild family.”

J2: Almost, but with a small change. It was Rothschild in the 19th century and up to the WWI, but it is not the Rothschild family any more. It is the same group but some other people today, less visible. Maybe their money has always been in a sense tribal money. Because Old Testament stories are the original lessons for gaining power everything must follow prophesies: the old plan is never modified.

It has always been a control hierarchy, a control pyramid, with the Rs as the top tier.

pMoney is what makes it work (“grease makes the world go around”). And here is how the money pyramid works:

[[The 12 Federal-Reserve banks are all private corporations, so the shareholder list need not be made public, and it is not. Nevertheless, here is such an ownership hierarchy chart someone sleuthed down..
http://www.land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/federal_reserve.shtml
1) Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin;
2) Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris;
3) Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy;
4) Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam;
5) Lehman Brothers of New York;
6) Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York (Now Shearson American Express);
7) Goldman, Sachs of New York.
And they are all Jewish.
.. Which means first and foremost: the Rothschilds.]]

Top of the pyramid of control.

And now back to the topic of Israel. Israel is one of the R’s victim’s too.

Here is the Rothschild all-seeing-eye Pyramid atop the Israeli Supreme court building they donated to Israel. Same family symbol they put on their Federal Reserve note.jack to Editor

USA and Israel are both Rothschild-Financial-Empire colonies. USA’s role in the Empire is: leader of the Foreign Legion, while Israel’s role is “house pet”, because of the Jewish connection.

The Rothschilds own the Central Bank of Israel, and issue the shekel, just as they own Central Bank of America, and issue the Federal-Reserve Note. The state of Israel does not issue shekels, it gets them by pledging interest-bearing bonds as collateral, then borrowing Shekels from the Rothschilds – the same way as the USA and all the other Rothchild-Empire colonies get their currency. This means: Israel is sliding down the black-hole and yoke of national debt, same as all the other Empire’s colonies.

Israel’s role within the Empire is: their pet colony, like the family dog. The family likes the dog, and the dog likes the family, nevertheless they still had the dog neutered in order to destroy its independence, and the dog doesn’t know it has been neutered.

Nevertheless, when the Rothschilds order their puppet government in Washington to eat their dog’s shit, Washington eats it. And that’s where Netanyahu and AlPAC’s power comes from. Campaign donations are just a manifestation of that power.

The Empire can bring economic collapse, and/or war, upon any colony at any time, for disobedience, Israel included.

The corrupt leaders of Israel want war, for the same reason the corrupt leaders of America want war: BECAUSE THE OWNERS OF ITS CENTRAL-BANK AND CURRENCY, WANT WAR!

… And the owners of the central bank and currency want war because they are playing a game of self-fulfilling prophecy, with the Tanakh, They think they are God.

Twodees: One thing that the zionists haven’t yet solved is the problem of getting jews to inhabit their proposed expanded “homeland”.

Stranger: LOL! Yes, it’s a problem for them, a problem Shlomo Sand identified too..
[[…
From the perspective of Zionism, this country does not belong to its citizens, but rather to the Jewish people. I recognize one definition of a nation: a group of people that wants to live in sovereignty over itself. But most of the Jews in the world have no desire to live in the State of Israel, even though nothing is preventing them from doing so. Therefore, they[Israel] cannot be seen as a nation.”

– Prof. Shlomo Sand, Tel Aviv University historian writing in “Matai ve’ech humtza ha’am hayehudi?” (“When and How the Jewish People Was Invented?”). ]]

The whole modern state of Israel is an exercise in a game of self-fulfilling prophecy(1) by the Rothschild family. They have funded the Zionist movement since Theo Herzl began it in the late 1800s, as a family hobby. Without such funding the movement would never have gotten off the ground.

The Rothschilds are trying to make this happen —
Gen 15:18 “Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt [Nile] unto the great river, the river Euphrates:”
AND
Deuteronomy 30:3 “the Lord your God..will return and gather you from all the nations, where the Lord your God has scattered you..And the Lord your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it;”
REPEATED in
[[Ezekiel 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.]]

(BTW all that means: the Rothschilds think they are “the Lord your God”.)

Their plan is to gather the Jews back to the “Holy Land”, and to expand the “Holy Land” from the Nile river to the Euphrates river(“Greater Israel”].

So all that land must be depopulated of its present natives, and they all happen to be Arab Muslims. 👉This is where Europe’s 3rd world immigration problem comes from!

Not all Jews agree with this plan. For example: most American Reform Jews (especially Alan C Brownfeld), and Neturi Karte. But the central planners don’t care.
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FOOTNOTES:
(1) Self-fulfilling prophecy is where people have read the book and know how the story ends, and then do all they can to nudge current events under their control, in order to make today’s story end like the book ends.

Welton: Israel, other Middle Eastern countries and Japan were adamant that they weren’t going to take any at all. [Netanyahu Rejects Calls for Israel to Accept Syrian Refugees, by Isabel Kershner, NYT, September 6, 2015]

Stranger: Welton acts like the flood of 3rd word refugees out of the Middle-East, just dropped out of the sky, and nations have a free choice or either accept or reject that flood.

When in fact, the flood is planned. George Soros’ network of open-border NGOs exist to coerce nations into providing a dumping ground for all the refugees driven out of the lands earmarked for depopulation by the Zionists, to pave the way for Greater-Israel. That’s all the land between the Nile and the Euphrates.

And that includes Syria. The Zionists have already depopulated southern Syria (the Golan Heights) and now comes the rest of the country. That’s all the war in Syria is about.

The purpose of ISIS is to provide an excuse for wars to depopulate Greater-Israel. The flood of refugees that can be directed to Europe, because
(1) it is handy, and
(2) as an added bonus: Europe is full of high IQers who pose a threat to Jewish supremacy, and the flood of 3rd-world low-IQers will soon defuse that threat.

POSTER: GREATER ISRAEL shows map including exodus of refugees to Europe

Ryckeart: There is not such a thing as “Buddhist jihad”.

Stranger: Yes there is.
[[Buddhism as a justification for colonialism
During the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries a number of Buddhist figures, such as Kimura Shigeyuki and Mitsui Koshi, upheld the Japanese nation not only as the culmination of Buddhist cultural development, but also as a legitimating factor in Japanese imperial policies. In this context Buddhist nationalist movements and key figures such as the Zen teacher Sōen Shaku (1859–1919) often justified Japanese military expansionism in terms of the missionary spread of Buddhist teachings and the “upholding of humanity and civilization” (Soen; see Sharf). ]]
https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/colonialism-and-buddhism

Ryckeart: All Muslim military expansion beyond the Arab peninsula was pure imperialism

Imperialism is just the name given to the territorial expansion that all pack-animals do, when the human animal does it. Religion is just an excuse, and the flavor of the religion varies.

Seraphim quotes Genesis 1: “the Spirit of God moved over the water”
… Ruach Elohim

Stranger: Good example of “ruach” used in the sense of “spirit”!

In more detail:
Looks like the Greek translators already made a judgement call when they translated Hebrew “ruach” רוּחַ as Greek πνεῦμα (spirit), in this context.

The Septuagint uses that word..
Ecclesiastes 12
7 καὶ ἐπιστρέψῃ ὁ χοῦς ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν ὡς ἦν καὶ τὸ πνεῦμα ἐπιστρέψῃ πρὸς τὸν θεόν ὃς ἔδωκεν αὐτό
7 [before] the dust also return to the earth as it was, and the spirit return to God who gave it.
https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/sep/ecc012.htm#007
https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/septuagint/chapter.asp?book=27&page=12

But Google translate https://translate.google.com/?source=gtx_c#auto/en/%CF%80%CE%BD%CE%B5%E1%BF%A6%CE%BC%CE%B1
… Just shows Greek πνεῦμα = English spirit

Nothing about “breath”. Looks like the Greek translators already made a judgement call.

The most common usage of ruach in Judaism is “ruach hakodesh”, which literally means “holy spirit”. When a great Rabbi has some extraordinary insight, its said he has been visited by the “ruach hakodesh”, the holy spirit.

Maybe its the holy breath 🙂

Of course, spirit also means alcohol, so it’s clear that the Holy Spirit in Christianity is merely referring to drinking vodka….

I now understand everything about Europe lol – Laurent has given me the key!

Of course, ruach hakodesh is only used like that for millennia by all the sacred scriptures and great Rabbis, not the secretive elite that Laurent alone has special access to, which, we now know, is really entirely materialistic…

Which of course vindicates Laurents own HBD materialism, and will become the basis for the rejuvenation of the European nations, just as it, err, has been for Jews.

Good times at Unz 🙂

Guyénot: In the quote mentionned by Professional Stranger in comment #4 from Ecclesiastes 12: “And the dust returns to the earth as it was, And the spirit returns to God who gave it,” the right translation for ruah is not “spirit” but “breath”.

The quote came from the JPS
ז וְיָשֹׁב הֶעָפָר עַל-הָאָרֶץ, כְּשֶׁהָיָה; וְהָרוּחַ תָּשׁוּב, אֶל-הָאֱלֹהִים אֲשֶׁר נְתָנָהּ. 7 And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns unto God who gave it.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt3112.htm

Strong’s shows “ruwach” רוּחַ occurs as, number of times:
Spirit or spirit 232, wind 92, breath 27, side 6, mind 5, blast 4, vain 2, air 1, anger 1, cool 1, courage 1, misc 6
NOTE: “spirit” is by far the most common. But of course the translators decide whether the word is being used literally or figuratively. In other words: it is usually used figuratively as “spirit”.

http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H7307&t=KJV
Of course Strong’s searches the xtian KJV, but it is very close to the JPS, and its the best search engine available.

What you are arguing now is that the Hebrew Bible WOULD be materialistic, if people translated it the RIGHT way, YOUR way!

FarrDD: The Triune God .. of Christianity .. is called “polytheism” by Islam

Stranger: Christianity is called polytheism by Judaism, too.
If the trinity doctrine is not enough to convince you that xtianity is polytheism, the fact that xtianity recognizes SEPARATE independent gods of good and evil, should do it!

Satan as “an independent god of evil” is a christian polytheist corruption of the Jewish bible. In the Jewish Bible, “Satan” is always the humble servant of God. God CREATES EVIL and Satan delivers it. Don’t shoot the messenger!

👉Isaiah 45:7. “I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and CREATE EVIL;”

In a monotheistic religion the one god must create evil. If another god did it, the religion would be polytheism. but christianity IS polytheism, so it has no problem with a separate god of evil. xtianity postulates this world as a struggle between the 3 gods of good, and the 1 god of evil.

Stranger wrote in Comment 47 (towards the bottom): The fact that 2 of the 3 quotes above are both from Ecclesiastes, yet give different answers, just goes to show you: the last verse(12) of Ecclesiastes was added by a later editor to make it politically correct.

Anon 210: the Preacher in Ecclesiastes does not believe in the afterlife. Professional Stranger is being disingenuous in quoting it.

You miss the point. The question under discussion is: “Is the Hebrew Bible materialistic?”, and WHO put it the verse in the Hebrew Bible, or WHO agrees with it, has got nothing to do with it. It point is simply that IT IS IN the Hebrew bible. And that’s all it takes to answer the question with a definitive “NO”!

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Folk myths improve with with time, with little additions and improvements, ancient and modern.

Another example from Ecclesiastes:
Ecclesiastes “all is vanity” (vanity = הֶבֶל hebel) A more literally correct translation is “all is nothing” or “everything is useless” – as found in some translations. But “all is vanity” is a big improvement, it adds a new level of meaning.

“All is vanity” has come to mean “all is ego”, as in this famous illusion painting (Charles Gilbert 1892). Is it a young woman preening herself at her vanity mirror, or is it a gruesome skull?]]

The original Hebrew word translated as “vanity” (hebel הֶבֶל) means “vapor” not “puffed-up pride and vanity” or “ego”.

Folk myths grow and evolve over time, same as country folk music. The “holy” books are only folk myths. Don’t try to freeze them. Let them evolve. Same goes for “all is VANITY”. It has improved with time. Like old whiskey.

Dolan: judaism is not remotely universalist

Blind: Judaism needs to be qualified by “Orthodox” and “Reform”.

A huge schism exists within Judaism on the question of Jewish nationalism: Reform, with guys like Alan C. Brownfeld, and Ultra-Orthodox. It’s like 2 different religions, with 2 different gods: one religion worships a universal god and the other a national god.

But tracing the nationalism, via the religious route:
[[In Geiger’s view, “the essence of Judaism was the religious-universal element. All the remainder was the fruit of historical conditions…and..should be abolished.”]] —– Rabbi Abraham Geiger (1810–74) was a leading ideologists of the Reform movement.

That means: it’s OK to cherrypick your old religious myths.

Geiger’s “All the remainder” included Jewish nationalism, and it was the fruit of the historical conditions of defending a set of universal religious principles while living amongst people hostile to it.

In other words: the religious universal element came first, then a religion was needed to carry it, then a nation was needed to defend the religion, “then a KING was needed..” [1 Samuel 8:10.] to rule the nation, then a nation-state was needed to secure the nation, then idolatrous ideas of “holy nation” and “holy state” found their way into the religion. Concepts directly opposed to the original set of universal religious principles!
Then came the final step: the Jewish Zionist Atheist, where defending the nation-state became an end in itself.

However in Reform Judaism, there has been a return to grass roots lately. Pittsburgh Platform 1885 says “we consider ourselves no longer a nation, but a religious community”. And for even more recent updates click this..

http://www.acjna.org/acjna/default.aspx Allan C. Brownfeld explains Reform Judaism’s position on Jewish nationalism – The American Council for Judaism.

How Judaism needed nationalism to defend universalism, is an example of using devices contradictory to your principles in order to defend them. Another example is the US cause in Vietnam: “we had to destroy the village in order to save it”.

AND FINALLY:
Purging Judaism of nationalism is a work in progress. The principle that is evolving is: Nothing is holy but god himself, all else you make holy are idols. The story so far goes something like this..
Moses destroyed the golden calf the Israelites had made, while he was up on the mountain. But then he slipped up himself….. Numbers 21:9. “And Moses made a serpent of brass, and set it upon the pole; and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he looked unto the serpent of brass, he lived.”
An error Hezekiah corrected …. Kings II Chapter 18:1. “Hezekiah..began to reign..he broke in pieces the brazen serpent that Moses had made; for unto those days the children of Israel did offer [sacrifices] to it; and it was called Nehushtan.”

Get the pattern? Destroying idols. No-one and no-thing is immune.

Nevertheless, “holy name”, “holy altar”, “holy nation”, “holy seed”, “holy day” and “holy land” remain. More work needs to be done.

See also: “Israel’s 50-Year Occupation Is Challenging Judaism’s Moral Integrity” – By Rabbi Allan C. Brownfeld http://www.acjna.org/acjna/default.aspx