Again, you just prove my point, with your unhinged nonsense.

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Oh, I see Peter Harris disagrees. OMG! Which part, Mr. Harris? Do you disagree that Miss Coulter is single? Did she tell you personally that she was married? (Pssst, she was blowing you off, man... sorry... there are other tall skinny blonde conservative libertarian chicks out there... go on TSBLC-Cupid.com. Don't link to any of your posts on homeschooling, if you want to get any "Interested"s.)

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Ann Coulter would be more persuasive if she behaved in a manner consistent with her writing; specifically, getting married and having children. It would have been a benefit to her worldview and her writing.

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Really, you just unhinged.
You accuse me of not wanting to talk about the topic, which, if you've read my posts, you'll find that all I wanted to do is talk about this rationally, and provide some science and practical examples to make this argument realistic.

And here you are, going off topic, with a lot of your own asinine and inane talking points.

My description of you as unhinged, and your commentary as asinine and inane will most likely see you stamp your foot and claim that I'm just insulting you, but let's take a look at some of your nonsensical talking points, that raise more questions than answers...



 "It can’t be any worse than the Globohomo religion of the public schools."

"Anyone who really speaks out against the use of “person” instead of known-sex pronouns (just as a small example from my experience – see K-12 LGBT) will be told he’s being a pain-in-the-ass about nothing and should get on with raising money for the Halloween Carnival, excuse me, that was last year, Fall Carnival."

"It was signed to make it law by President Jimmy Carter, since the teacher’s unions helped elect his ass in 1976."

"They want the kids earlier and earlier, to where they are too young to understand the non-Socialist common-sense from their parents. Mo money, mo jobs, mo control!"

"Hmmm .. I wonder if I’ll ever hear back about my grant request from the D.O.E. on my COCK program proposal – that is: Crap Outta the Curriculum – K – 12."

"How old are you, Mr. Harris?"

"...your acting like a dick here in the comments..."

"... parents can get together and arrange things through Facebook."

"So long as we can get the comment-count up a bit, maybe Dr. Paul can be featured higher and bigger on the unz main page, as a counterpoint to the Commies."

"What the fuck is wrong with you? Read people’s comments and LEARN something before you spout off your Statist talking points!"

"Keep the comments flowing, Comrade Harris – I’d like to see Dr. Paul get better billing."

"I’ve seen it myself, Mr. Harris, in ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, for cyrin’ out loud. I just terminated us on one of the reading-comprehension web-sites due to some BS like this (hell, the kid can read 3 levels above anyway, so he’s better off outside – thinking of getting a small fishing boat)."

"...what, on something like Facebook, email, or the damn telephone, to arrange team sports or that these kids are prohibited from ever using any taxpayer paid for science labs or equipment."

"My simple point about the mercury, which you made into some stupid digression into the periodic table, was that you can’t do much anymore anyway, with all the OSHA rules, Material Safety Data Sheets, and all that shit that gets in the way of getting things done."

"...but my 4 year-old understood tire pressure..."

"I just explained to him yesterday how low pressure wears the outsides of the tire tread and vice versa for high pressure and then the pros/cons of having the pressure lower or higher than that recommended."

"Now, if that’s too much for you, I’ll come down to your basic Statist assumption."

"As a matter of fact, it’s government Socialism that makes people stupid and irresponsible."

"...home-schooling, with lots of help now from the internet."

"...get this retired engineer to teach math, get this local writer, some Emily Dickinson wannabe to teach English (you know she needs the money)"

"Work out the money on the back-of-an-envelope or in your head sometime, and you’ll see that $10,000 yearly per student is just an outrage. It can be done for 4 grand per kid."

"Nah. If the middle school is 60% black, and your kid is not as maturely built as 5′ 8″ 8th graders, then he’s liable to get his ass kicked a lot or at least hate having to spend 6 hours a day in a hell-hole."

"That wasn’t Ron Paul’s point, but the indoctrination was. I theorize that the smarter kids may be worse off, in fact. Rather than just think about the football game and/or fishing, these kids not only CAN read well, but LIKE reading."

"They will be served the political agenda that is inserted into all the new books (believe me, if you think this is BS, you are like me telling my Dad in the early 1980s."

"That wasn’t Ron Paul’s point, but the indoctrination was."

"I theorize that the smarter kids may be worse off, in fact."

"Rather than just think about the football game and/or fishing, these kids not only CAN read well, but LIKE reading."

"They will be served the political agenda that is inserted into all the new books (believe me, if you think this is BS, you are like me telling my Dad in the early 1980s..."

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OK, so let's see. Taking the sentences out of all the paragraphs and putting them in different order is proof of this unhingement? Why didn't you read them when they WERE in order? It's a lot easier. That's what I did with your comments.

You took a whole damn day to come up with this retort, Peter? If you really wanted to talk about the topic, you would explain how public schools do not indoctrinate kids, and just refute a few of the points Ron Paul made in his column. All you can come up with is your Statist words to the effect of:

"YOU CAN'T DO THAT! THE GOVERNMENT MUST RUN THIS! PEOPLE JUST CAN'T GO AROUND TEACHING THEIR OWN CHILDREN AND SHIT! THIS IS HIGHLY IRREGULAR!"

Don't worry, Scro, now there are plenty of tards out there living really kick-ass lives. Me ex-wife ... retarded ... she's a pilot now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFfTludf0SU

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No, you're NOT happy to discuss the topic. Let me paste in the title of the article, in case your scroll feature is broken: "Homeschoolers Are Educated, Not Indoctrinated". Got it? Dr. Paul is doing something of an advertisement for his curriculum, granted, but his point, same as a number of the ON-TOPIC comments had, was that the government, aka public schools are indoctrinating kids via this taking off for political causes, slipping in political agendas, etc.

I've seen it myself, Mr. Harris, in ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, for cyrin' out loud. I just terminated us on one of the reading-comprehension web-sites due to some BS like this (hell, the kid can read 3 levels above anyway, so he's better off outside - thinking of getting a small fishing boat). If you ever get around to reading the Peak Stupidity post I linked to, you'll see another small, but illustrative, example of the problem parents have with government schools.

Now, I started writing to you just in correction of your idea that there's no way in hell any parents could possibly GET TOGETHER, what, on something like Facebook, email, or the damn telephone, to arrange team sports or that these kids are prohibited from ever using any taxpayer paid for science labs or equipment. My simple point about the mercury, which you made into some stupid digression into the periodic table, was that you can't do much anymore anyway, with all the OSHA rules, Material Safety Data Sheets, and all that shit that gets in the way of getting things done. It's a different story at home - you may not have all the equipment, but my 4 year-old understood tire pressure, and now (a few years later) why we put more air in the tires in winter to keep the same pressure. I just explained to him yesterday how low pressure wears the outsides of the tire tread and vice versa for high pressure and then the pros/cons of having the pressure lower or higher than that recommended.

Now, if that's too much for you, I'll come down to your basic Statist assumption. You think everybody is stupid. That they need government to take care of them and keep them from being stupid, seems to be your working assumption. As a matter of fact, it's government Socialism that makes people stupid and irresponsible. We don't need government to teach kids, whether we do it via small private schools that evade the heavy hand of Big-Ed or via home-schooling, with lots of help now from the internet.

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Well, talk about getting off-topic.
 

But seeing as though you raise it, you’re forgetting about epigenetics.
 

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Keep the comments flowing, Comrade Harris - I'd like to see Dr. Paul get better billing. Oh, did you ever even bother reading his column or learning about his curriculum?

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Private schools are the answer to…what?
 

To a largely disintegrated culture? To country-wide insanity? It’s going to take a hel of a lot more than style of education! Public/private/homeschooling is probably irrelevant.
 

How your kids “turn out” is largely unknowable but I’d say that heredity is a large factor. Schooling is near the bottom of the list.
 

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First of all, do you think children should not get any religious training?
Does religious training prohibit a good education otherwise?

I have known a lot of home schooled kids over the years. Only one was, ugh, deprived. But he was bright and became a diesel mechanic and is doing well.
His slow poke stepfather was exploiting the kid's labor.
Every other home schooled kid, and I know at least a dozen, did very well. The last just started college, after graduating from High School with flying colors a year early.

I know one family that grouped with other home schoolers. A retired math teacher grandpa taught the whole group a few times a week.
There are online programs . like Khan Academy which I hear is very good.
What gives you the idea that a homeschooling parent is only passing on what he/she knows?

A while back at a restaurant at the table next to us. A family with several children. Very well behaved, very nice, I went over and said, I bet you are home schooled. They asked, how can you tell? It was obvious. BTW, I used to work as a substitute teacher and have been around.

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I am not defending public schools…they are horrible, but homeschooling is not the answer. Private schools are the answer, with choice left to the parents
 

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That is an asinine comment.
You make a fool of yourself as good as you can.

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Periodic Table
gromless(?)
right-wing
diatribe
fact-checked links
plasticine (OK, that's a new one)

There's your word cloud. I am in a different cloud from you, Mr. Harris. We have no "gromless" in our alto-cumulus cloud here up above the stupidity of the statists and the fake "conservatives", here in the Ron Paul Liberty Cloud.

So long as we can get the comment-count up a bit, maybe Dr. Paul can be featured higher and bigger on the unz main page, as a counterpoint to the Commies.

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Oh, I get it! You're a public school teacher and you took this all personally. Is that it?

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I thought that was a pretty civil post of mine and not by any means a diatribe. This one might be though, due to your acting like a dick here in the comments to people who don't agree with your Statist point of view.

I did not get homeshcooled, and I just told you what we did with the chemicals. We noted well the reactivity of those elements up the left side of the periodic table, with those single-electron out shells. That was before the Mommy-State prohibited a lot of the hands-on stuff. We have not homeschooled yet, but, as Peak Stupidity pointed out in "K-12 LGBT", it may be time soon. The "demographics" for lack of a word that won't soil your panties, Peter, of the next school are not as good as the one we're using now, so that's another problem.

Sports leagues, science labs for home-schooled kids, all that, are things that have been around for at least 15 years, based on my experience with a homeschool Mom I knew that long ago. Do you deny that parents can get together and arrange these things in the age of Facebook, Peter? Is it something only a government could possibly do?

What the fuck is wrong with you? Read people's comments and LEARN something before you spout off your Statist talking points!

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For example, do you have Mercury?
 

they felt that their children’s best interests were left in the hands of a education professional in the School of the Air.
 

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I don't have to prove anything to you. Look at the stats for homeschooled students. The results speak for themselves.

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You may have gotten a good education in Australia, but here in the states, most large municipal-run school systems are "bottom of the barrel".
"Well-rounded" educations DO exist in the homeschool environment.
Depending on the "state" to provide a non-biased TRUE education, teaching students HOW to think, rather than WHAT to think is non-existent in the public schools here in the states.
Regards,

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Peter, I bought a chemistry curriculum that had all the necessary equipment and pre-measured chemicals. It was expensive, but not difficult. And the labs were fantastic...gas generation, separation of solids by precipitation, creation of thermal gel, serial dilution, distillation, chemical battery to power two LEDs, etc. Physics was even easier...most of those labs involved common household objects, a stopwatch, etc. The only really expensive item for physics was the frictionless cart for the momentum labs, but I got a used one through a homeschool cooperative and saved a bunch of money. Biology requires a microscope, some prepared slides for the mitosis lab, and some items to dissect. I bought a $100 microscope and for dissection I used grocery store organ meats and large insects that the kids captured. Geology used common household objects. You just have to get creative. And I of course bought all the textbooks used. A college level textbook that is three years old costs practically nothing, because they come out with a new edition every three years so the profs who wrote them can wallet-rape the incoming class.

I find the time by being a stay at home parent, which means we live on one income. It's difficult to live on one income these days, but not impossible if you adjust your standard of living. It also helps if you are not a slave to debt. ;) To do homeschooling properly at the secondary level, you need a minimum of three hours of class/lecture time per day per student, and a minimum of three hours of independent work per day per student. So while one kid was doing a science lab with me, the other two were doing their assigned reading. If both parents have to work, one parent can do the class time with the student while the other cooks dinner. It's just a matter of budgeting what time you have. For some of my homeschooling friends, both parents work, and they rotate the class time according to their schedules. One can do anything with the proper motivation.

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"Props" for science are easily procured, most of them having household items equivalents. As to sports and competition, other neighborhood homeschooled children are usually available.
In many areas, public schools are required to accept homeschool students into their athletic programs.

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I agree with your sentiments regarding this article (all over the place), and I doubt whether the author has ever spent time in Indonesia,
 

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