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  • @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I think what you're saying is correct as far as normal women are concerned. But I'd like to focus on the 25% of women who are apparently beyond salvaging. Actually, I'm sure my estimate is way too high. It's probably more like 10%. But, I am also hearing a large number of women are on track to be single and childless at 40, so I don't know. My contention is that they don't respond to normal masculinity.


    I overheard a couple on a date recently. The girl was in her 20s and fat. She was going on about how some play was "misogynistic". I got the impression it was a first date. I hope the guy runs away because it won't get better.

    My concern is that a lot of these women are concentrated in careers like teaching. They have an outsized impact on the education of our children.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Bardon Kaldian

    “It’s probably more like 10%. But, I am also hearing a large number of women are on track to be single and childless at 40, so I don’t know. My contention is that they don’t respond to normal masculinity.”

    That’s certainly part of it, but I think the whole thing is part of a much more long-range problem which has its fangs sunk much deeper into the culture and people’s minds. Can you possibly guess who we should thank?

    Starting around 1970 or so, young girls began to start getting sold a bill of goods about rejecting traditional sex roles and instead “having it all.” There were also economic developments which began the demolishing of an economic model which made a one-income family possible. But increasingly women were told that motherhood and family/household management were trivial, air-headed pursuits rather than the vital national-interest-serving metier they actually are. Barbie wasn’t a wife and mother, she wasn’t Suzie Homemaker, she lived in a Malibu Dream House and worked as an airline pilot or an astronaut or something. She was an imitation man in heels.

    All of this was a deep psy-op mind-fuck on the minds of America’s girls and young women. They got re-programmed exactly counter to their natural programming, and the general culture supported it. So not all of them are really bitchy viragos, they are more like generation after generation of Patty Hearsts.

    I was fortunate to be a youngster when there was still a sizeable percentage of college women (probably most) who, despite studying all the zany elements of Theory, still were quite feminine and enjoyed being so — and not just in style, but complete with old-timey feminine outlooks and demeanor.

    I think that these days the problem is one of recursion: chicks in my dating days still had the personal and cultural examples of normative womanhood to refer to, whereas young women today have grown up in a “feminine vacuum” where there are no models or examples, either in theory or in real life, except for Girl Boss, Mary Sue the All-Powerful Action Heroine, and various flavors of Andrea Dworkin-approved harridan. And the moral and linguistic gateways have been shuttered so that anything else is rendered Red Alert! or Inconceivable, in the same way that kids are taught that all humanity always thought that Slabery was a categorical moral evil, except for those damn white Southerners, the one historical outlier.

    Hard to turn the Titanic around on a dime, but I would say that a mission-critical thing would be to bring back the one-income family as a viable life model, and the culture would begin to adjust/heal accordingly. Guess who will make sure that never happens — at least not for white people.

    • Agree: Currdog73
    • Thanks: Hail, Old Prude
    • Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    whereas young women today have grown up in a “feminine vacuum” where there are no models or examples, either in theory or in real life, except for Girl Boss, Mary Sue the All-Powerful Action Heroine, and various flavors of Andrea Dworkin-approved harridan.
     
    For sure. It's really sad. They often dress or act inappropriately even when meeting a boyfriend's family. I also notice a fair number of these girls end going for some flavor of Brown guy, I suspect because she thinks she will be the lead (not only do they produce unfortunate children, she doesn't actually get to be the lead).

    The good news is there are still tons of normal White women. It's just good for guys to make that initial cut up front and stay away from the brainwashed head cases.
    , @Almost Missouri
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    Starting around 1970 or so, young girls began to start getting sold a bill of goods about rejecting traditional sex roles and instead “having it all.”
     
    My 1980s concept of "what women want" was strongly formed by a slightly older friend of mine's girlfriend who hung out with me a lot for some reason. She was all about defying what she saw as traditional feminine norms, which in retrospect were mostly Hollywood tropes rather than anything she would have encountered in real life. One thing she said that stood out to me was, "When I get married, I won't wear a wedding dress; my husband and I are wearing tailcoats!" (For younger readers, "tails" means this, not this.)

    Her peers that I met didn't seem too different from her. As an early adolescent, this made me think, "Adult mating is going to be a complicated business with all these taboos, especially the ones about not treating females as if they are feminine."

    When I left school and got out into the world, I was shocked (but delighted) to discover that Not All Women Are Like This. But still, one had to notice that the ones who were like that were usually white American and college educated. (It was just my misfortune to come from that milieu.) And it has only gotten worse and more true since then. And the Hollywood tropes have only gotten worse and more aggressive since then too.

    Too many stories to recount here.

    P.S. Many years later I looked up that high school girl to see what had become of her. Did she get married in tailcoats?

    Taking bets....



    Unmarried.

    Childless.

    Plump.

    But with an Instagrammable career.

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  • @Buzz Mohawk
    @Old Prude

    Mrs. Prude's ravioli sound delicious, especially because of the home-grown tomatoes. Tomatoes are only good and tasty when grown either at home or nearby at an American farm.

    We buy our tomatoes from a farm one mile up the road from us, when they are in season. All kinds, including our favorite, heirloom tomatoes.

    That farm also grows many varieties of apples. My wife likes the sour varieties, so I buy them for her. They grow an unbelievable variety of peppers and onions and potatoes, and etc....

    So, ya know, we are kind of blessed -- and that is why we fucking bought our house and why we fucking live here!

    Oh, you say (and I love this) "Sad. So much effort and pretension."

    Yeah. You don't know, because you feel some need to belittle MY PLEASURE.

    It is MY PLEASURE to drive through the beautiful woods for twenty minutes to visit MY fishmonger. He knows me. He has nicknamed me "Sushi Man" because I buy so much sushi-grade fish from him -- and I KNOW what to do with it! (You don't.)

    It is MY PLEASURE to, muh, put so much sad effort and "pretention" into the food I enjoy fucking making. It is MY PLEASURE to roll sushi! That's what you apparently don't understand: The pleasure is in the doing! It's like sex, young man! Doing it is the fun!

    And there is no way you could enjoy sushi the way we do without doing what I do. Not that you care. One reason I make our own sushi is to make sure that the fish is wild and healthful. That's why I drive twenty minutes through the woods to a fishmonger I personally know. The fish you eat at a restaurant (in your case fried at some place like McDonald's) is most likely farmed -- i.e. grown in its own filth somewhere.) I go to the trouble of making sure our food is actually, ya know, "good."

    Enjoy your Goombah pasta with tomato! Suck up the carbs, man!

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Oh, I don’t doubt you enjoy cooking (and sex) but I think you enjoy the bragging quite a bit more.

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  • @Buzz Mohawk
    @SafeNow

    Yours is, I think, a very intelligent comment, Mr. SafeNow.

    In particular: "True, I guess – – about the “rate” – – but the absolute number is, and will always be, a mere drop in the bucket."

    Yes, indeed. All of the arrests and deportations are shows -- as in showbiz -- that are too small to amount to anything. You get that. It makes me wonder what really is going on.

    If things continue this way, maybe some people will cheer, but nothing will change.

    I like the rest of your comment too. I just doubt that anything like that will ever happen.

    BTW, I made sushi rolls today. I do this sometimes. My wife requested it for our Friday, so I drove to our fishmonger in another town, "through woods for twenty minutes," and I bought sushi-grade, wild-caught Alaska salmon -- and frozen"Hamachi," which is a kind of yellowtail tuna used in sushi.

    I prepared everything in the ways I know how to do, and I rolled those wonderful things, and we enjoyed them with wasabi, pickled ginger, avocado, all rolled up inside seaweed nori, dipped in soy sauce.

    We are just now discussing what our Thanksgiving menu will be -- because YOU have encouraged us to think about it so early!

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Sad. So much effort and pretension.

    Mrs. Prude made mushroom ravioli with our home grown tomatoes and shiitakes.

    It was, as usual, otherworldly.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Old Prude

    Mrs. Prude's ravioli sound delicious, especially because of the home-grown tomatoes. Tomatoes are only good and tasty when grown either at home or nearby at an American farm.

    We buy our tomatoes from a farm one mile up the road from us, when they are in season. All kinds, including our favorite, heirloom tomatoes.

    That farm also grows many varieties of apples. My wife likes the sour varieties, so I buy them for her. They grow an unbelievable variety of peppers and onions and potatoes, and etc....

    So, ya know, we are kind of blessed -- and that is why we fucking bought our house and why we fucking live here!

    Oh, you say (and I love this) "Sad. So much effort and pretension."

    Yeah. You don't know, because you feel some need to belittle MY PLEASURE.

    It is MY PLEASURE to drive through the beautiful woods for twenty minutes to visit MY fishmonger. He knows me. He has nicknamed me "Sushi Man" because I buy so much sushi-grade fish from him -- and I KNOW what to do with it! (You don't.)

    It is MY PLEASURE to, muh, put so much sad effort and "pretention" into the food I enjoy fucking making. It is MY PLEASURE to roll sushi! That's what you apparently don't understand: The pleasure is in the doing! It's like sex, young man! Doing it is the fun!

    And there is no way you could enjoy sushi the way we do without doing what I do. Not that you care. One reason I make our own sushi is to make sure that the fish is wild and healthful. That's why I drive twenty minutes through the woods to a fishmonger I personally know. The fish you eat at a restaurant (in your case fried at some place like McDonald's) is most likely farmed -- i.e. grown in its own filth somewhere.) I go to the trouble of making sure our food is actually, ya know, "good."

    Enjoy your Goombah pasta with tomato! Suck up the carbs, man!

    Replies: @Old Prude

  • @James B. Shearer
    @Mark G.

    "If Whites viewed each other as allies there would be no Ukrainian refugees because we would not be using the Ukraine to fight a proxy war with Russia."

    If the West had not supported Ukraine allowing the Russians to crush them this would have produced a lot of Ukrainian refugees (or at least want to be refugees).

    Replies: @Mark G., @Old Prude

    It is improbable a short war would have produced more refugees than this long slog.

    And everything Mark G said…

    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Old Prude

    "It is improbable a short war would have produced more refugees than this long slog."

    The original claim was that there would have been no refugees. Whether there would have been more or fewer than the current situation is a different question.

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    @WJ

    Agreed!

    , @Roy Rogers
    @WJ

    agree. total bs

    , @Flo
    @WJ

    Yeah, this is just verbal vomit. There's not a dime's-worth of difference between Anglin and Fuentes. They're both occasionally entertaining (in very small doses) but ultimately pointless. All that stupid social media crapola . . .

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  • @Mark G.
    @Mike Tre

    "You want to put Slavs and Celts in proximity"

    Should my WASP ancestors here in America told the Irish Catholics fleeing the potato famine you aren't wanted here and need to go back? According to your way of thinking the answer is "yes".

    That was not done, though. The only immigration restrictions were put on non-Whites. Here in Indianapolis the Italian, Irish and Slav ethnic neighborhoods were all by each other.

    The different Whites need to think less in terms of their own ethnic or religious groups and focus on the flood of non-Whites trying to get into White countries. The purpose of my last comment was not to promote Ukrainian immigration but to highlight the differences between Somali Blacks and Whites like Ukrainians. A beautiful young White Ukrainian girl was recently stabbed by a Black here in America, with it becoming a major story.

    If Whites viewed each other as allies there would be no Ukrainian refugees because we would not be using the Ukraine to fight a proxy war with Russia.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Mike Tre

    “If Whites viewed each other as allies there would be no Ukrainian refugees because we would not be using the Ukraine to fight a proxy war with Russia.”

    If the West had not supported Ukraine allowing the Russians to crush them this would have produced a lot of Ukrainian refugees (or at least want to be refugees).

    • Disagree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @James B. Shearer

    If the West had not moved NATO almost up to the borders of Russia, helped to topple the Ukrainian government in 2014 and replaced it with another government that eventually started shelling ethnic Russians in the Donbass and suppressing their language and religion, and heavily armed the new Ukrainian government the war might not have started. Once the war started, the West sabotaged attempts to make a peace agreement, instead egging on the Ukrainians to fight a war they could not win against a bigger enemy. Now Trump is flip flopping back and forth on whether or not to completely walk away. We will walk away eventually, just like we did in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

    Replies: @James B. Shearer

    , @Old Prude
    @James B. Shearer

    It is improbable a short war would have produced more refugees than this long slog.

    And everything Mark G said…

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  • @Pericles
    @J.Ross

    Somalia might be the prime example of producing fake refugees. It was stupid of the Irish to let them in -- they just had to look at Sweden. Get rid of them as soon as possible.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Mike Tre

    “It was stupid of the Irish to let them in ”

    “The Irish” have nothing to do with the process, and I doubt more than 1 in 10 actually voted yes to resettle Africans in their homeland, if there was ever an actual vote to begin with. The refugee racket is headed by an Irish bureaucracy, international NGO’s, and the EU.

    If anything, “the Irish” have been the most resistant to the importation of African negroes, when compared to other countries.

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  • @epebble
    @Old Prude

    To be fair, the 'belittling' and mockery were over his debate performance and not his achievements in the military. You can see his performance:

    https://youtu.be/bEylDHV761Y?t=356

    Obviously, he is not a well-trained orator. Just as Ross Perot had powerful arguments but weak in personal charisma.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Sure, his debate performance was a mess. The proper response would be regret and mild pity for a great man in decline, not raucous mockery. The fact that SNL and their audience didn’t appreciate or know what Stockdale did for the honor of the POWs is a profoundly shameful indictment of what America had become by 1992.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @Old Prude

    Sadly, our presidential campaigns have seen much worse. There was a whispering campaign suggesting McCain's (adopted) daughter is (his) illegitimate. Hillary Clinton's campaign invented Obama is Kenya born in 2008 primaries. Later, Trump brilliantly exploited it to bootstrap a political career. Earlier, in 1988 campaign, there was much criticism about George H.W. Bush's use of Willie Horton in TV ads. Lee Atwater, the architect of the campaign, apologized for his work just before his death.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/history-political-dirty-tricks-south-carolina/story?id=36864946

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  • @J.Ross
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ukrainian-boy-17-suffered-more-than-100-stab-wounds-during-attack-as-teen-is-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murder/a936748966.html

    According to our sources in the police, the argument between the Somali and the Ukrainian boys may have started over food. The Ukrainian was frying eggs and bacon for breakfast, which outraged the Somali, who does not eat pork for religious reasons. The Somali attacked the Ukrainian with a kitchen knife, viciously slashing him and gouging out his eyes. The boy tried to fight back, but had multiple wounds on his arms, head, and chest,” Irish journalist Stephen Hand told Strana
     

    Replies: @Dmon, @Pericles

    The US is going to have to sanction Ireland over this one. The way I see it, it is entirely legal under international law (as established in Charlotte v. Trump) for a black person to stab to death a Ukrainian refugee. However, Ireland clearly acted in a racist and discriminatory manner in allowing a White gentile person to cook bacon within the olfactory range of a muslim. 200% tariffs on potatoes and overrated stouts with peat in the bottom of the bottle.

    On a side note, if Putin wanted to avoid international opprobrium, he should start employing Somali mercenaries. They could stab as many Ukrainians as they want, and he could get credit for introducing diversity to a clearly racist country. Just as long as he doesn’t try to evade sanctions by exporting vodka made with Irish potatoes.

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  • @Almost Missouri
    @Hail


    Diversity-ideology had put those men in the USA.
     
    Not sure. If you mean the hijackers, they were mostly here on tourist visas, which are not diversity visas. If you mean the deep state screwups, these are people like John Brennan, so I guess we'd have to go back and retcon out potato refugees.

    There was the infamous case of the airline gate agent* who gave himself "a politically correct slap" for thinking Mohammed Atta looked like a terrorist and then letting him board anyway, so there's that.

    To be sure, diversity has a lot worse than 9/11 to answer for. I'm just not sure 9/11 in particular is a good fit as a diversity indictment.

    ---------

    * Another spudster (Touhey)! Maybe the Irish really are to blame...

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Hail, @Mr. Anon, @Old Prude

    If it weren’t for diversity, those Arabs on tourist visas would have been so unusual they would have drawn everyone’s attention. With diversity, it was just more brown crap floating around.

  • @Almost Missouri

    I would also strongly recommend Episode 4 of Tucker Carlson’s new 9/11 series
     
    I listened to all five of Carlson's 9/11 series. Notwithstanding that they're meant for a mass audience, each episode had something that was new to me, even as a well informed citizen.

    IMHO, the big takeaway was that the 9/11 hijackers were much more known to US intel than the Feds had previously admitted, and therefore that 9/11 may be yet another instance of an attempted deep state counterintelligence operation gone wrong. Oklahoma City Bombing, Operation Fast & Furious, and 9/11: in each case the "intel community" geniuses cultivated adverse actors whom they thought they had under control for the deep state's own purposes, and then—OOPS!—it turns out these these guys have agendas of their own that they implement more rapidly and consequentially than the Federal flatfoots. Then the Feds have to go into cover-up mode, not to protect national security, but to prevent exposure of their own incompetence.

    Replies: @Hail, @Mr. Anon, @Sam Hildebrand

    The lesson of September 11, 2001, alluded to often by John Derbyshire and not objected to be Steve Sailer: “The cause was Diversity.”

    Diversity-ideology had put those men in the USA. In most any earlier racial-political dispensation before about the 1990s, maybe, they simply never would’ve been there.

    This seems like a better framing than “nefarious federal conspiracy to use some Arabs as pawns that went wrong,” even if the latter might have truth in it.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Hail


    Diversity-ideology had put those men in the USA.
     
    Not sure. If you mean the hijackers, they were mostly here on tourist visas, which are not diversity visas. If you mean the deep state screwups, these are people like John Brennan, so I guess we'd have to go back and retcon out potato refugees.

    There was the infamous case of the airline gate agent* who gave himself "a politically correct slap" for thinking Mohammed Atta looked like a terrorist and then letting him board anyway, so there's that.

    To be sure, diversity has a lot worse than 9/11 to answer for. I'm just not sure 9/11 in particular is a good fit as a diversity indictment.

    ---------

    * Another spudster (Touhey)! Maybe the Irish really are to blame...

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Hail, @Mr. Anon, @Old Prude

  • I get a kick out of how Ron Unz explained Greta Handle’s time-out. It was kind of like “Listen, fellas: FAFO. Okay?”

    • Replies: @Hail
    @Old Prude


    Ron Unz explained Greta Handle’s time-out
     
    For those who didn't see, it was here:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/isteve-open-thread-13/#comment-7353574


    Ron Unz:

    The problem was that almost none of [Greta Handel's] comments were ever substantive, but instead were filled with complaints about this website and its writers, saying that the good ones had been the fanatic anti-vaxxers who had long since departed.
     

    Addressing Greta Handel, he added:

    Since you disliked this website so much but were still wasting so much of your time complaining about it in comments, I decided to help encourage your departure by severely restricting your commenting.
     

    Replies: @Mark G.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Old Prude

    I think I may go back and change my •Agree to a •Thanks, because I don't necessarily agree with anyone being banned or limited for ragging on anything - full free speech is generally Mr. Unz's way. Also, well, look at my comment above, haha.

    I guess the difference is that I'll engage negatively on occasion with the Sino-Propogandists and such, or the Commies on occasion, but I explain to them how stupid they are, rather than telling them they should write about something else. Greta goes on telling John Derbyshire he should write about this, not that.

    Enough with the negative waves, Moriarity Greta.

    .

    PS: I too have noticed that our host really didn't like the anti-mandatory-vax talk.

  • Here’s a new Open Thread for everyone. For those interested, here are my most recent articles: Tucker Carlson and the Resurrection of the 9/11 Truth Movement, Part I Ron Unz • The Unz Review • September 29, 2025 • 7,400 Words Tucker Carlson and the Resurrection of the 9/11 Truth Movement, Part II The Unz...
  • @Old Prude
    @res

    Admiral Stockdale was mocked for the debate with Gore and Quayle. Think of that: A man who gave almost the entire measure of his life for America, and had not stain on his honor was belittled by the media, and by extension the American public.

    That would have been unthinkable before [and is a permanent mark against country]. And that was, what, thirty-five years ago? Burn it all down.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Mike Tre, @epebble

    And remember, Stockdale was debating Quayle and Gore – two shrill light-weight frat-boys. What kind of country is it where those two worthless duds are held in higher esteem than a genuine war-hero? A country not worth a sh*t, I say.

  • @Mike Tre
    @Old Prude

    Muslims having their own countries hasn't stopped them from coming to Europe and the US by the millions.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Golly. Talk about missing the point.

    Separate countries for separate people does not mean people in shit-hole countries won’t try to get to nice countries where people are self-loathing suckers.

    It means that any ethno-state won’t have to deal with the ructions of inter-racial, inter-ethnic ructions (unless they invite the Other within their borders!).

    Duhhrrr…

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Old Prude

    "It means that any ethno-state won’t have to deal with the ructions of inter-racial, inter-ethnic ructions (unless they invite the Other within their borders!)."

    So exactly my point. Maybe go get your estrogen checked.

  • @res
    @Mark G.


    The quality of Whites was higher then. The first five presidents they voted in were Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison snd Monroe. The most recent five before the current one were Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush and Clinton.
     
    I'm not so sure about that first sentence. Remember how restricted suffrage was in the early years of the US. See details at
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_voting_rights_in_the_United_States

    For example, starting 1789.

    Generally, states limited this right to property-owning or tax-paying White males (about 6% of the population).
     
    The quality of the presidents is a more compelling point. I am trying to decide how much of that is based on the underlying quality of the populace we draw from and how much is structural. Some other candidate explanations. One surprising aspect is with so many more people we can't find better.

    - TV as the primary way most of us interact with our politicians.

    - Campaign funding as a primary driver of success. Also remember these phases of campaigning for president:
    -- The era of reticence (late 1700s–early 1800s)
    -- The shift to active campaigning (early 1800s)
    -- The modern media campaign (late 1800s–present)

    - Government as a route to riches rather than a route to poverty (**Requiring** corruption). Goes along with the loss of an attitude of noblesse oblige.

    - Transition from a more decentralized model of government to more centralized. Along with making things more "democratic" (e.g. suffrage, role of legislators vs. popular vote) A notable example being the direct election of senators starting in 1913. It is interesting how many seeds were sowed during Woodrow Wilson's presidency (e.g. that, the Fed, intervention in WWI).

    - Moving away from a society which requires results to one which tolerates epic levels of incompetence. As long as you look and sound good while failing (or just have powerful enough backers).

    - Moving away from the enlightenment model of education to the ridiculousness we have now.

    I am eliding problems which have always existed (we are humans after all, no matter how perfectible the left thinks we are), but I think it is hard to argue the above effects (and more, suggestions?) have not contributed to a decline in presidential stature.

    Replies: @Hail, @Old Prude, @Mark G.

    Admiral Stockdale was mocked for the debate with Gore and Quayle. Think of that: A man who gave almost the entire measure of his life for America, and had not stain on his honor was belittled by the media, and by extension the American public.

    That would have been unthinkable before [and is a permanent mark against country]. And that was, what, thirty-five years ago? Burn it all down.

    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Old Prude

    And remember, Stockdale was debating Quayle and Gore - two shrill light-weight frat-boys. What kind of country is it where those two worthless duds are held in higher esteem than a genuine war-hero? A country not worth a sh*t, I say.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Old Prude

    "Admiral Stockdale was mocked for the debate with Gore and Quayle."

    This was the reason Dennis Miller gave for the beginning of his shift in political alignment.

    , @epebble
    @Old Prude

    To be fair, the 'belittling' and mockery were over his debate performance and not his achievements in the military. You can see his performance:

    https://youtu.be/bEylDHV761Y?t=356

    Obviously, he is not a well-trained orator. Just as Ross Perot had powerful arguments but weak in personal charisma.

    Replies: @Old Prude

  • @Curle
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Clarke claims that ethnically pure countries are a part of the past in Europe and subsequent to that statement two European countries become more ethnically pure. Seems an open and shut case of erroneous visioning at least as far as the two named countries are concerned which by your quote were the subjects of the original statement. If he’s speaking to Europe as a whole and a larger trend and not those two countries specifically then you can claim he applied a general prediction to the instance where the targets of the comment bucked the trend. But, hard to say his statement as applied wasn’t wrong.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    I work with a number of Serbians. One was complaining how the Muslims bred like mosquitoes. I told him “Then it’s good the have their own country, isn’t it.”

    Think about that. The Yugoslav civil war ended when the Croats, Serbs, and Muslims all got their own countries.

    Duhhrrrr.

    • Thanks: Curle
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Old Prude

    Muslims having their own countries hasn't stopped them from coming to Europe and the US by the millions.

    Replies: @Old Prude

  • @Buzz Mohawk
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah.

    I met a couple of people* many years ago who had frontal lobotomies.

    A bottle-a-front-a-me is definitely better. I should know.

    *One of those people sat next to me at a diner in Albuquerque when I was hitchhiking back to Colorado. He was goofy and he pointed to the scars on his head.

    The other one was an old, Black! photographer** in Boulder who claimed to have known Marilyn Monroe. He told me he was at parties in her apartment in Manhattan and that she had a girlfriend there, as in bisexual. Was that true? IDK. Maybe he was operated on by the Kennedys, or the CIA, or the Mossad, or the Illuminati, or all of them because he knew too much. Or maybe he was just a crazy old Black! guy with a lobotomy.

    ** The funniest part was that somebody had referred me to him to get some head shots. (No, not as in Kennedy head shots, but the kind you use in show business.) What a show! He pulled out his vintage equipment there in his apartment, big lights, stands and screens, and he took some pictures while he told me his story. I still don't know who the fuck that guy was. The photos were so bad I never used them.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    ‘The funniest part was that somebody had referred me to him to get some head shots. (No, not as in Kennedy head shots, but the kind you use in show business.) …The photos were so bad I never used them.”

    I’m sure that both the facts and tenor of what you said are true. I would simply point out that head-shot photos are a very tricky art. They seem sort of simple in theory technically, but because there are so few variables in play, they are very easy to fuck up: get one of only four details wrong, and the thing is ruined.

    I’ve had to wade through mountains of head-shots over the years, and it’s astounding how bad most of them are, and how few good/effective ones there are. They can be screwed up by technical incompetence, sure, but mostly they are screwed up by the subject adopting the wrong attitude or perspective: the subject has only one shot (literally) to make themselves look compelling and worth hiring, and somehow they don’t understand the magic secrets for how to do that. It’s a hard line to walk — if you choose to make yourself look too friendly or appealing, you risk looking like an amateur. But if you try to look to cool and remote, you send off a different bad signal.

    I always tell people who are curious about it all: you have to remember that the people in show-biz who are the decision-makers are generally over-worked and very tired. They have to deal with idiots all day, and so if they have to read a mountain of specs or look at hours of taped audition, what they look for most is the person who comes out of the gate strong on the very first beat. Mostly you don’t get a second chance, so make sure to get the first time right.

    And also, you were smart to not use head shots you didn’t like, rather than just saying well, this’ll have to do. Much better to have no head shot than a bad one.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
  • @Greta Handel
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Sure it’s me - I took time off to consider whether to continue contributing at TUR while squelched. (Beyond the obvious frustrations of being limited to three per day and losing button privileges, it brings out the adolescent mendacity of Sailer boys and trolls who think themselves himself clever for pretending to think I’m female.)

    For anyone who truly cares how this happened, it’s apparent from the long awaited explanation from Ron Unz about a month ago (easily found in my archive) that a comment referencing the COVID crapshots

    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/im-posting-something-about-something-just-to-post-something-thai-cambodia-war/#comment-7237219

    is what put me in the doghouse. His arm probably only hurt for a day, but he still has a very sore ass.

    As to the neoWhimming, in fairness to Unz TUR software may invalidate the Sailer memorial autopass of anyone who’s limited otherwise. Ron may be too proud to admit that, too.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    For anyone who truly cares how this happened, it’s apparent from the long awaited explanation from Ron Unz about a month ago (easily found in my archive) that a comment referencing the COVID crapshots

    Not really.

    The problem was that almost none of your comments were ever substantive, but instead were filled with complaints about this website and its writers, saying that the good ones had been the fanatic anti-vaxxers who had long since departed.

    Since you disliked this website so much but were still wasting so much of your time complaining about it in comments, I decided to help encourage your departure by severely restricting your commenting.

  • @Bardon Kaldian
    @Mr. Anon


    The arrogance of that statement is outrageous. Who is some American general to dictate to European countries what they will or will not be.

     

    This statement is misinterpreted. Clarke was talking about Serbian ethnic cleansing of Kosovo, which led to NATO intervention. Now, there are mostly ethnically "pure" two countries- Serbia and Kosovo.

    It was not about some grand plan for European countries as such.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Curle, @Mr. Anon

    Now, there are mostly ethnically “pure” two countries- Serbia and Kosovo.

    In other words, Clarke was wrong.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    @Curle

    In other words, he was right, as he is right about Russians and Ukraine.

    Replies: @Curle

  • @Curle
    @epebble


    Privacy was not a concept then. Imagine the townsfolk having a discussion on a new carriageway or aqueduct while getting rid of bodily wastes.
     
    In other words, a frat house or military latrine. At work certain men will travel distances in the building to do their business in one of the few totally private toilets (no stalls just a single toilet in a single locking door room). Too shy to evacuate within hearing distance of others I infer. I view this as a negative social development. Girls do this mostly, of course.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    It’s often not privacy, but courtesy that motivates one to find a remote place to do one’s business. And besides, it’s hard to read when other folks are around.

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Old Prude

    Maybe. But, there was a distinct male culture in my younger years that discouraged such hesitancies as feminine in nature. More Gore Vidal and less Hemingway.

  • @epebble
    @Old Prude

    She should visit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesarea_Maritima and see interesting sanitary practices like

    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/xwaC7idwFW-M1CjCm7TInx9A6tw=/0x264:5128x3149/960x540/media/img/mt/2016/01/42_64089355/original.jpg

    Privacy was not a concept then. Imagine the townsfolk having a discussion on a new carriageway or aqueduct while getting rid of bodily wastes.

    When Martin Luther, the founder of Protestant Christianity, wanted to put to bed, forced Celibacy of Priests, he did it literally with quite a flourish. By public consummation of his marriage to Katharina von Bora. Yes, you read it right. The Father of Protestant Christianity had sex with his new wife publicly.

    https://www.1517.org/articles/the-strange-wedding-of-martin-luther-and-katharina-von-bora

    Replies: @Curle

    Privacy was not a concept then. Imagine the townsfolk having a discussion on a new carriageway or aqueduct while getting rid of bodily wastes.

    In other words, a frat house or military latrine. At work certain men will travel distances in the building to do their business in one of the few totally private toilets (no stalls just a single toilet in a single locking door room). Too shy to evacuate within hearing distance of others I infer. I view this as a negative social development. Girls do this mostly, of course.

    • Agree: Currdog73, Old Prude
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Curle

    It’s often not privacy, but courtesy that motivates one to find a remote place to do one’s business. And besides, it’s hard to read when other folks are around.

    Replies: @Curle

  • @Old Prude
    @epebble

    The second picture reminds me of a story. In the factory the men’s bathroom had two large round communal sinks where multiple guys could wash the grime off their hands while bitching about management at the end of the shift.

    For some reason the HR lady had to go in there, escorted by the Maintenance lead. When she saw the sinks she was horrified, thinking they were communal urinals. The Maintenance lead laughed an corrected her misperception.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @epebble

    The Maintenance lead … corrected her misperception.

    Tactical error.

    • LOL: Old Prude
  • @epebble

    The second picture reminds me of a story. In the factory the men’s bathroom had two large round communal sinks where multiple guys could wash the grime off their hands while bitching about management at the end of the shift.

    For some reason the HR lady had to go in there, escorted by the Maintenance lead. When she saw the sinks she was horrified, thinking they were communal urinals. The Maintenance lead laughed an corrected her misperception.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Old Prude


    The Maintenance lead ... corrected her misperception.
     
    Tactical error.
    , @epebble
    @Old Prude

    She should visit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesarea_Maritima and see interesting sanitary practices like

    https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/xwaC7idwFW-M1CjCm7TInx9A6tw=/0x264:5128x3149/960x540/media/img/mt/2016/01/42_64089355/original.jpg

    Privacy was not a concept then. Imagine the townsfolk having a discussion on a new carriageway or aqueduct while getting rid of bodily wastes.

    When Martin Luther, the founder of Protestant Christianity, wanted to put to bed, forced Celibacy of Priests, he did it literally with quite a flourish. By public consummation of his marriage to Katharina von Bora. Yes, you read it right. The Father of Protestant Christianity had sex with his new wife publicly.

    https://www.1517.org/articles/the-strange-wedding-of-martin-luther-and-katharina-von-bora

    Replies: @Curle

  • @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "trying to find some great clips on youtube for you of The Office‘s Michael Scott and the stripper who had her nurse outfit on to collect the big check for the “Race for the Cure”… for Rabies."

    Yeah, this is where it comes into the Kids, DON'T Try This At Home! category.

    What I'm about to say is just from experience, it isn't a firm Dogmatic Opinion, just what always seemed to me like common sense....

    Having known a lot of strippers and a few call-girls as good personal friends (both as personal friends and also, necessarily, as in that "Friend-Zone" thing), I can tell you a few things that might be useful.

    The most important thing is, Do Not Ever get involved with any sort of sex worker from a needy, desperate chess position. You'd be asking to be shot in the head.

    I used to hang out in strip clubs and chat with the dancers because I was going through a rough time and I just wanted some company that didn't have strings attached (my g.f. at the time very much wanted me to marry her, and there was this emotional land-mine where I did not want to become too emotionally dependent on her because I didn't want to feel Like I Owed Her Big-Time; so, strippers were fun company who definitely did NOT want to sleep with me or marry me.)

    The mentally-healthy operating system was...

    1. Behave in such a way that makes it clear you're not a dumb frat boy or a creep. Don't get handsy, and do NOT act like you have a crush and you want to date them.

    2. Make it clear that you do in fact have money to spend, and that it is discretionary income that you're spending for fun, and you have a lot more of it, and you aren't drying out crumpled dollar bills from your laundry machine. Buy lunch for both of you, and tip the waitress well.

    3. Be a clever conversationist. Weed out the girls who just want to complain about their drummer-bassist boyfriends, and find the girls who have weird, interesting life stories or are working on a law degree (and talk like that's really true).

    4. The girls who have weird, interesting life stories can suss out that what you're saying is weird and interesting too, and now they want to know more -- not to make money off you, because fifteen minutes ago they made $400 off some drunk businessman and now they just want to hang out with you for sort of comic relief.

    5. Make it clear that you do NOT want to date them, and that you fully understand that they would never date you, not if you were the last junkie on earth. You both just want to hang, talk about Melville, and make fun of the DJ.

    6. By then it turns into a real friendship relationship and you start hanging out and meeting outside the club, with the clear understanding that it's never a "date," and never will be. The old saw applies that women don't date good-looking men, they date men who are being seen with other good-looking women. So insofar as that is a side benefit, that is it: you are out on the town with this hot chick you could never land in a bar, and she's turning all the right sorts of heads.

    7. And now you have a new, interesting friend, who comes from a weird background that is unlike all your regular fast-track Ivy League type friends, who has a lot of funny things to say and share. Worth it just for itself, no sex involved.

    All you have to do is, in the opening gambit, Do Not Be Needy. Play the Nimzo-Indian, not the lame French Opening.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Old Prude, @Mark G.

    Sounds like a lot of effort for no happy ending. Why not just do the same thing with a woman who has something on the ball rather than a stripper? What, you don’t think concert pianists have any interesting stories ?

  • @James B. Shearer
    @Hail

    "About time, though it’s hard to think of another passing fad that will have done irreversible life-long damage to the people who embraced it. ..."

    Lobotomies :

    "The procedure was modified and championed by Walter Freeman, who performed the first lobotomy at a mental hospital in the United States in 1936. Its use increased dramatically from the early 1940s and into the 1950s; by 1951, almost 20,000 lobotomies had been performed in the US and proportionally more in the United Kingdom.[5] ..."

    ...

    "The purpose of the operation was to reduce the symptoms of mental disorders, and it was recognized that this was accomplished at the expense of a person's personality and intellect. British psychiatrist Maurice Partridge, who conducted a follow-up study of 300 patients, said the treatment achieved its effects by "reducing the complexity of psychic life". Following the operation, spontaneity, responsiveness, self-awareness, and self-control were reduced. Activity was replaced by inertia, and people were mostly left emotionally blunted and restricted in their intellectual range.[15]"

    ...

    "Rosemary Kennedy, sister of US president John F. Kennedy, underwent a lobotomy in 1941 that left her incapacitated and institutionalized for the rest of her life.[164]"

    Replies: @Mr. Anon, @Old Prude, @Achmed E. Newman

    People who got frontal lobotomies didn’t have the power of the State behind them. Neither did anorexics.

    The reason trannies became a national nuisance is because the State declared them a protected class and demanded they be coddled. That wouldn’t have been so bad if it were only girls deciding they were now Ezra instead of Elizabeth, but when guys figured out they could humiliate women and everyone else by forcing them, through the power of the State, to pretend they were women, things got out of hand.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Old Prude


    People who got frontal lobotomies didn’t have the power of the State behind them. Neither did anorexics.

    The reason trannies became a national nuisance is because the State declared them a protected class and demanded they be coddled.
     
    Very important point. Trannies were the battering ram the Leftstate was going to use to sunder every portal.

    That wouldn’t have been so bad if it were only girls deciding they were now Ezra instead of Elizabeth, but when guys figured out they could humiliate women and everyone else by forcing them, through the power of the State, to pretend they were women, things got out of hand.
     
    We may slightly diverge here. It's true that the motive force of Transmania was primarily the men/'ex-men' while the moody/confused teens were mostly just conscripted as rhetorical cover, the actual human damage was much graver for the moody/confused teens Shanghaied into Transworld than for the truculent old perverts ringmastering the show.
  • @epebble
    @Almost Missouri

    he manifestly does not deserve it.

    He could have played GWB and converted Somalia and Yugoslav wars into multidecade multitrillion dollar debacles. He somehow intelligently stopped well before these interventionist wars destroyed the nation (USA).

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Almost Missouri

    He could have played GWB and converted Somalia and Yugoslav wars into multidecade multitrillion dollar debacles.

    As it happens, his launching those useless “interventions” (i.e. foreign wars) did indeed set the precedent for multidecade multitrillion dollar military adventure, especially in missionary (i.e. not even a pretense of US interest) causes.

    Incidentally, we still have troops in the Balkans, and we now have a permanent toxic parasite class of Somalis in the US, almost entirely imported since the Clinton Somalia mission.

    Clinton was a total piece of shit all around. In a way, his personal appetites were fortunate for the US, since they hamstrung him from causing even more damage.

  • @Curle
    @Mark G.

    You contend you are as productive at 65 as you were at 55? If you are you are a rarity (in my experience).

    Replies: @epebble, @Mark G., @Old Prude

    I wouldn’t say I am as productive at 62 as I was at 52, but I can get things done with a lot less effort. Wisdom and experience have a quality all their own.

  • @Achmed E. Newman
    @OilcanFloyd

    Mr. Floyd, owning gold is about keeping one's wealth, period. You and others are discussing how one might spend it at some point. (If you can't ever, I agree, what's the point?) In the middle of a SHTF situation may not be a good time to do this. I agree with the Preppers - and I got into this about the same time as Old Prude, maybe 2 years later - about "Beans, bullets, band-aids", a bunch of other mantras, along with the most important "community, community, community". The latter is what Dmon is talking about in his comment about central-coastal California.

    Yeah, recognizable silver rounds, Eagles in particular, .22LR (though one doesn't know about moisture - may have to test 'em), cans of Campbells Soup, what-have-you, could be temporary currencies. The gold is still where you left it... hopefully... you did pay cash right, or at least make it impossible for the Feral Gov't to do a Roosevelt 2.0 on you?

    At some point, you or your family will be in some sane political situation again, unless this place turns Commie and/or non-White run. At that point, the value of your gold will still be recognized. Not only that, contrary to Dmon's point about red v blue*, if some area bans buying with gold, well, I'm pretty sure you could buy something good with a few oz anyway. Stupid leadership notwithstanding, the people are not all stupid.


    .

    * We REALLY REALLY need to change the colors back to what makes sense. Could Trump get this done? It seems like his kind of thing, like "Gulf of America".

    Replies: @Dmon, @Old Prude

    It is gonna stay the way it is forever now.

    The Cold War is over.

    MAGA hats are red.

    The hair of septum-pierced tatted fatties is blue.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Old Prude

    There are Commies, just the same, but you've got a good point there, especially re: the MAGA hats. I wish they weren't red, but that's probably just what Trump thought looked best on him.

    MCCGA? Make Commie China Great Again?

    https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/MAGA_Hat_Great_Wall.jpg

  • @Mark G.
    @epebble

    Yes, the flood of immigrants coming in are largely illegal and being more aggressive in curtailing that would do a lot to improve the situation.

    The big problem is having large numbers of immigrants coming because the assimilation process breaks down. This is especially the case with Non-Whites but was somewhat even true of Whites outside the original core WASP population of this country. They assimilated eventually but it took a immigration pause to completely do so.

    We are unlikely to ever have high levels of European immigration again since Europe has such low birthrates. The main worry is high levels of non-European immigration. We have several large ethnic neighborhoods here in Indianapolis, mostly Hispanic but also a big one of Burmese refugees, where they primarily talk to each other in their native language, visit their ethnic stores and restaurants and have little contact with us Hoosiers. In a situation like that, the assimilation process breaks down.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Assimilation is a false hope. Italians and Acadians can be, and were assimilated because they are culturally and genetically adjacent to the core population of America.

    Negroes have never assimilated. Asians and Aztecs won’t assimilate. Never. Never ever.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Old Prude

    I saw you disagreed with me and was wondering why since we often agree. In my sixties elementary school, believe it or not, we only had one non-White, an Indonesian girl. She was very much assimilated since she had no Indonesian ethnic community to interact with.

    I think Asians can be assimilated in small numbers. You can let in individuals of unusual ability. We have a problem of a swelling population of thirty thousand Burmese here in Indianapolis, the largest numbers in the country. It started with Burmese refugees followed by family reunification policies and secondary migration increasing the numbers. We need almost none of them. It costs the schools extra money to teach them English and their native born children qualify for welfare benefits. Because of their large numbers they live in an insulated neighborhood together rather than blending in.

    What is true of Burmese is even more true of Africans. I have little problem with keeping them out. Trying to find the hidden gem among them may not be worth it.

    , @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Old Prude

    Genetic assimilation is literal genocide anyway.

    The whole idea of assimilation assigns God-like powers to "culture" to overcome race and genetics. As you said, Blacks as a group never assimilated in 400 years.

    Latinos will turn the Southwest into Mexico in time.

  • @epebble
    @Mark G.

    A big part of the challenge to assimilation is illegal immigration. Had illegal immigration been prevented (say by aggressive employment verification), many of the political problems of today could have been prevented. Inasmuch as public opinion is strongly anti-illegal immigration, it is still strongly pro-legal immigration.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    Yes, the flood of immigrants coming in are largely illegal and being more aggressive in curtailing that would do a lot to improve the situation.

    The big problem is having large numbers of immigrants coming because the assimilation process breaks down. This is especially the case with Non-Whites but was somewhat even true of Whites outside the original core WASP population of this country. They assimilated eventually but it took a immigration pause to completely do so.

    We are unlikely to ever have high levels of European immigration again since Europe has such low birthrates. The main worry is high levels of non-European immigration. We have several large ethnic neighborhoods here in Indianapolis, mostly Hispanic but also a big one of Burmese refugees, where they primarily talk to each other in their native language, visit their ethnic stores and restaurants and have little contact with us Hoosiers. In a situation like that, the assimilation process breaks down.

    • Disagree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Mark G.

    Assimilation is a false hope. Italians and Acadians can be, and were assimilated because they are culturally and genetically adjacent to the core population of America.

    Negroes have never assimilated. Asians and Aztecs won’t assimilate. Never. Never ever.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

  • @James B. Shearer
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "My point was simply that the whole Feral budget looked balanced because the in-the-black SS budget was incorporated into the general one. That was a one time money-shifting fluke, not fiscal responsibility."

    Was it more accurate or less accurate to include SS? Anyway I think it is pretty clear that the Clinton administration was the most fiscally responsible recent administration.

    Replies: @deep anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Old Prude

    I remember at the time, shortly after the end of the Cold War, that we could anticipate a “Peace Dividend” because it no longer would be necessary to squander so many resources on the DOD. Clinton’s Administration actually benefitted from it briefly, but he, and most or all his successors, unfortunately took steps to squander all that dividend and then some. It also was an era exhibiting an unusual political constellation–Republican majorities in Congress from 1995 on, with a Democratic Administration. Those countervailing forces briefly put the brakes on federal spending, but not for long.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  • @James B. Shearer
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "My point was simply that the whole Feral budget looked balanced because the in-the-black SS budget was incorporated into the general one. That was a one time money-shifting fluke, not fiscal responsibility."

    Was it more accurate or less accurate to include SS? Anyway I think it is pretty clear that the Clinton administration was the most fiscally responsible recent administration.

    Replies: @deep anonymous, @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman, @Old Prude

    Clinton was a lucky degenerate. He had Perot in the mix put him in office, then he had what should have been our Peace Dividend to help government finances, and the personal computer revolution and the early internet to boost productivity. He had nothing to do with any of it.

    • Replies: @deep anonymous
    @Old Prude

    Clinton also had a Republican Congress in opposition much of his time in office, which acted as a brake on his spending impulses. His most toxic legacy probably was the collection of rabid leftists he appointed to the Federal Judiciary. Many of them still plague us, since they have lifetime tenure.

    , @James B. Shearer
    @Old Prude

    "Clinton was a lucky degenerate. He had Perot in the mix put him in office, then he had what should have been our Peace Dividend to help government finances, and the personal computer revolution and the early internet to boost productivity. He had nothing to do with any of it."

    As I have said before nobody is willing to give him any credit. But he did have something to do with the relatively responsible fiscal policy. His administration pushed through a tax increase at the beginning of his term. This was fiscally responsible but unpopular. And he didn't short circuit the improving budget situation by cutting taxes or boosting spending. You really think there was no difference between Clinton and GWB from a fiscal responsibility point of view?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  • @OilcanFloyd
    @J.Ross

    Historically speaking, my grandfather paid for his first house in cash, and he was by no means wealthy. The house is still standing across from a small university.

    I'm trying to understand how investing in gold would help the average person. I tend to stay out of the stock market because there are too many variables that I can't know with any business or commodity. I just bought another house after renting for a few years, but I have no other debts, and my mortgage payment on a much nicer house in a much nicer area is about the same as the monthly rent on the house owned by the national corporate slum lord that bought up many homes in my area. I do okay, but I don't know how to get everyone's hands out of my pockets and beat inflation. And I'm not sure that gold is the answer.

    I'm not sure that there is an answer for the average person. I feel the same way about gold as I do about my mother's obsession with antiques. It's great that she can find an immaculate Biedermeier sofa for $200 that she says is really worth thousands of dollars. But when push comes to shove, she'll never get thousands of dollars for the sofa, or any of the other gems she buys. At least she has beautiful house. I'm not sure what hoarding gold would do for me, especially now that it is a record highs.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Old Prude, @Achmed E. Newman

    Agree, Oilcan. I considered gold back in aughty nine, when it looked like that sucker was going down, but I couldn’t figure its utility, so I stocked up on whiskey, toilet paper, and ammo instead.

    After sixteen more years of the banksters figuring out how to keep the game going I’ve used up my stash and am right back where I started (though I do keep extra bath tissue and bullets on hand, just in case).

  • @J.Ross
    @OilcanFloyd

    Historically speaking (meaning, over millennia, as consistent as breathing air) people traded their labor for a bit of day to day currency, to take care of, like, food, but over time they gradually acquired bullion, trading it only for capital like farmland or a shop. So you "sell" gold, but only in a once in a lifetime transaction enabling class mobility ("bought the farm"), and only for something that will yield more money and security. Several major historical events are actually about this in the center but it gets omitted. For example, the "intolerable acts" sparking the American Revolution were intolerable because their fees could only be paid in buillion -- it wasn't a matter of being expensive, it was a matter of kneecapping colonial wealth building. Similarly, the Opium Wars weren't humiliating to Chinese because of drug addiction (have you read Chinese poets talking about getting blasted on wine?) but because the British (hey, there they are again) wanted to be paid for their opium from China's silver bullion reserves, directly impacting sovereign wealth and possibly pushing the middle kingdom into debt.

    Replies: @OilcanFloyd

    Historically speaking, my grandfather paid for his first house in cash, and he was by no means wealthy. The house is still standing across from a small university.

    I’m trying to understand how investing in gold would help the average person. I tend to stay out of the stock market because there are too many variables that I can’t know with any business or commodity. I just bought another house after renting for a few years, but I have no other debts, and my mortgage payment on a much nicer house in a much nicer area is about the same as the monthly rent on the house owned by the national corporate slum lord that bought up many homes in my area. I do okay, but I don’t know how to get everyone’s hands out of my pockets and beat inflation. And I’m not sure that gold is the answer.

    [MORE]

    I’m not sure that there is an answer for the average person. I feel the same way about gold as I do about my mother’s obsession with antiques. It’s great that she can find an immaculate Biedermeier sofa for $200 that she says is really worth thousands of dollars. But when push comes to shove, she’ll never get thousands of dollars for the sofa, or any of the other gems she buys. At least she has beautiful house. I’m not sure what hoarding gold would do for me, especially now that it is a record highs.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @OilcanFloyd

    It doesn't inflate (the skyrocketing price discussed previously is actually the dollar [and other similarly dubious investments] losing money). The value of an ounce of gold is tbe value of an ounce of gold, it's the sun and everything else moves around it, without ever touching it. Now, were we to live in times where inflation wasn't a concern ...
    Also, gold doesn't rust, and silver can be used to purify water.

    , @Old Prude
    @OilcanFloyd

    Agree, Oilcan. I considered gold back in aughty nine, when it looked like that sucker was going down, but I couldn’t figure its utility, so I stocked up on whiskey, toilet paper, and ammo instead.

    After sixteen more years of the banksters figuring out how to keep the game going I’ve used up my stash and am right back where I started (though I do keep extra bath tissue and bullets on hand, just in case).

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @OilcanFloyd

    Mr. Floyd, owning gold is about keeping one's wealth, period. You and others are discussing how one might spend it at some point. (If you can't ever, I agree, what's the point?) In the middle of a SHTF situation may not be a good time to do this. I agree with the Preppers - and I got into this about the same time as Old Prude, maybe 2 years later - about "Beans, bullets, band-aids", a bunch of other mantras, along with the most important "community, community, community". The latter is what Dmon is talking about in his comment about central-coastal California.

    Yeah, recognizable silver rounds, Eagles in particular, .22LR (though one doesn't know about moisture - may have to test 'em), cans of Campbells Soup, what-have-you, could be temporary currencies. The gold is still where you left it... hopefully... you did pay cash right, or at least make it impossible for the Feral Gov't to do a Roosevelt 2.0 on you?

    At some point, you or your family will be in some sane political situation again, unless this place turns Commie and/or non-White run. At that point, the value of your gold will still be recognized. Not only that, contrary to Dmon's point about red v blue*, if some area bans buying with gold, well, I'm pretty sure you could buy something good with a few oz anyway. Stupid leadership notwithstanding, the people are not all stupid.


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    * We REALLY REALLY need to change the colors back to what makes sense. Could Trump get this done? It seems like his kind of thing, like "Gulf of America".

    Replies: @Dmon, @Old Prude

  • @Bardon Kaldian
    @Almost Missouri

    1. pre-1965 law had to go, as was the case with white Australia policy. No such openly racialist policy can exist in a democratic Western country with a mixed population. The US is atypical because it has ditched Anglo-Saxonism, while other democratic countries may have preferences- for instance, India for Hindus- but these are not racial. For Israel, it is not racial because they imported a bunch of coloreds who are supposedly "Jewish"- it is ethno-nationalist. The English speaking world made a mess by abandoning ethno-nationalism, not by ditching racism.

    2. Jewish activists are, as I said, detrimental re immigration. And, I repeat: they are marginal.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Almost Missouri

    pre-1965 law had to go

    Not at all. Everything was fine. It was one of the most epic unforced(?) errors in history.

    In 1965 most of the population of the US “democracy” was healthily race-realist. (The majority still is, it’s just that too many of the white ones are no longer free to express it.) No popular referendum could have produced the post-1965 disaster. Even now.

    If the elites needed to drop explicitly racial terms from their country’s key racial policy, for whatever dumb reason they had—their cocktail party roster or whatever, they could have easily swapped in some simple social-science-y verbiage for the taboo race words: “the immigration quota will be allocated proportionally to the performance of the existing national groups within the US”, for example. Existing Danish immigrants are low crime, low indigence? Denmark gets a larger share of next year’s quota. Somalis doing Somali stuff? Total and complete shutdown of Somalis entering the United States until we can figure out what is going on. (What is going on: blood will tell. No solution short of total rebreeding. So the “figure out” part is already accomplished.) Or they could have taken the approach of Australia and New Zealand: only immigrants who speak English and have useful, pre-identified trade or professional skills, which is race realist in effect if not in name.

    Instead, the elites did more or less the opposite of all that, while lying about it.

    For Israel, it is not racial because they imported a bunch of coloreds who are supposedly “Jewish”

    Which error they have been busily trying to undo by whatever means necessary, up to and including unconsented sterilization.

    The English speaking world made a mess by abandoning ethno-nationalism, not by ditching racism.

    Distinction without a difference.

    I repeat: they are marginal.

    No matter how you slice it, you must at least conclude the Jewish influence has been out of proportion to their numbers .

    • Agree: Dmon, Mark G.
    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @deep anonymous
    @Almost Missouri

    Agree. Ran out of comments. Thanks for your clarity and accuracy.

    , @Corvinus
    @Almost Missouri

    “Not at all. Everything was fine. It was one of the most epic unforced(?) errors in history.”

    Says who?

    “In 1965 most of the population of the US “democracy” was healthily race-realist.”

    First, no need to put democracy in quotes. Second, that is a bold statement, hamster wheel. What specific evidence leads you to this conclusion?

    “(The majority still is, it’s just that too many of the white ones are no longer free to express it.)”

    This is a blend of copium and wishful thinking.

    “No popular referendum could have produced the post-1965 disaster. Even now.”

    Debatable.

    “the immigration quota will be allocated proportionally to the performance of the existing national groups within the US””

    What metrics would have been used to measure this performance? Who would be responsible for making those decisions? How would this process entirely work?

    “Somalis doing Somali stuff?”

    About that…

    https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/local/maine-immigration/i-believed-we-saved-lewiston-how-somali-refugees-paved-the-way-for-todays-asylum-seekers-maine-community-immigration/97-47cda293-5a7c-4474-bdde-712f661774e4

    “Or they could have taken the approach of Australia and New Zealand: only immigrants who speak English and have useful, pre-identified trade or professional skills, which is race realist in effect if not in name.”

    Not race realist, just merit based. Non-whites have the opportunity to emigrate there.

    “Instead, the elites did more or less the opposite of all that, while lying about it.”

    Doubtful.

    “No matter how you slice it, you must at least conclude the Jewish influence has been out of proportion to their numbers “

    OR, their influence has been earned via meritocracy, which has led to jealousy and bitterness among less intelligent whites such as yourself.

    Pray tell, how do you propose to limit this “outsized” influence? Do you suggest some sort of racial/ethnic quota be put into place? If so, how does that work?

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Almost Missouri

    Bardon Kaldian is furiously trying to emit a cloud of squid-ink in defense of his ethnically chauvanistic position, but it isn't working.

    The best indicator that he hasn't a leg to stand on is that his only defender is the spastic idiot known as "Corvinus".

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Mark G.
    @Almost Missouri

    I did a little research on the supporters of the 1965 immigration act one time and found out it included Italian American, Irish American etc. groups. If the 1924 immigration act had just been tweaked a little to let in a little higher number of Southern and Eastern Europeans it would have been acceptable to the majority of Americans, including WASP types like my parents.

    In my early sixties Indianapolis working class neighborhood, the different European ethnic groups got along fairly well. Problems had occurred before 1924 because immigrants were coming in too fast for the assimilation process to work properly. It is harder to assimilate non-European immigrants and the numbers now are way too high to do that successfully.

    Replies: @Corvinus, @epebble

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Almost Missouri

    In the struggle with Soviet communism, the US was always accused of racism. It had to go, any explicit mention of the race, as was the case with prohibition of interracial marriages. No white, nor non-white normal country in 1965 had a racial clause regarding immigration policy. Those like SA were pariah states.

    Then, in 1965 no one really thought that masses of non-whites would come to the US, aided by lunacies of Counter-cultural 60s. And don't forget that pre-1965 did not exclude mixed race Hispanics from the Americas.

    Replies: @deep anonymous

  • @Achmed E. Newman
    @deep anonymous

    Here's my recollection, D.A., which is somewhat different. President Reagan had made a deal (deal?! Haha!) with the D's who overwhelmed the House his whole 8 years in office, that they would bring down domestic spending to match the big increases in the military spending to bankrupt the USSR and win the Cold War. The latter worked, but the D's reneged on the former.

    Reagan threw up his hands and was advised "deficits don't matter."

    However, the fiscal situation of the country WAS discussed at least right up through the mid-1990's. The R's pushed back against the un-elected Hildabeast's attempt at Government Health Care, and that along with other Clinton ideas got a strong R showing in the '94 Congress (starting in '95 the way it works). Led by New Gingrich with his "Contract with America", these guys sounded very promising. They dropped it all, and by sometime in '95, '96, I don't remember so much discussion about fiscal responsibility from then on.*


    Of course, the practical result is that no one in the USG gives a shit about controlling runaway spending anymore.
     
    IMO, that has been the case since the turn of this century.



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    * No, the budget was NOT balanced during Clinton's last years, as that was a bookkeeping deal that shifted still well-in-the-black SS money "on-budget".

    Replies: @James B. Shearer, @Old Prude, @Moshe Def

    Gingrich’s “Contract With America” was a very good idea, but the Reptiles in the Senate, like Olympia Snowe and Arlen Specter made sure it went nowhere, so dimwit voters sneered “See: They never really meant it”. Which in the case of the Senate Reptiles was certainly true.

  • @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "My personal sort of thematic obsession, running all the way from Bergman’s “Persona” and “Smiles” through Apocalypse Now and Disney’s “Frozen” is the thematic conception of the regular down-home person who is somehow forced to confront a celestial, enchanted person, a person with an other-worldly nature: and what the consequences are."

    When you think about it, the real backbone of the Gospels is the idea of this simple-minded naive fisherman schmuck named Simon Peter who through no fault of his own, is forced to deal with the charismatic, wild-eyed, fanatical rabbi Yeshua the Nazarene who goes around telling everyone he is God. And if you believe the stories, he does stuff like walk on water, cast out demons, raise the dead, and get cosmically transfigured on mountain-tops, which, shall we say, Our Hero Simon Peter, the actual hero of the story, finds rather compelling but also just downright crazy.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EKbEP2L32M&list=RDcNzH19D6s_I&index=3

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foqUchQZa1o&list=RDfoqUchQZa1o&start_radio=1

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Neko Case. Now we’re talking. What was PBS good for? Austin City Limits.

    I saw Neko on ACS as the first act, followed by Dolly Parton. Both were in top form. Neko had some nerdy guy on the slide steel who was genius with the instrument. Dolly, in addition to having a top notch plastic surgeon, has kept a sweet voice despite the best efforts of Father Time.

    I keep waiting for a YouTube copy of that episode. It was fabulous. I’ll never forget Dolly introducing Mountain Angel with “Some people were born to suffer.”

    Speaking of Dolly, there are only two of the greats left. Dolly and Willy. And Willy, by the way has kept his voice, too, despite the best efforts of Father Weed.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Old Prude

    There was a man, a Pharisee,
    Who came by night to meet him.
    He said, I know that Teacher
    Came from God,
    Because no man could do
    Such miracles,
    Without the Lord to entreat him.

    God told the Angel,
    Go see about John....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiXrxVoSQDI&list=RDqiXrxVoSQDI&start_radio=1

  • @Buzz Mohawk
    @Pericles

    I mentioned here previously that I knew the first drummer from Saturday Night Live.

    He worked at Trader Joe's next door to my office building. I often just walked over there and bought whatever food I wanted to eat for lunch, so I became friends with this guy who had seen better days.

    He married a young woman who also worked at that store, and the two of them invited my young wife and me to dinner at their home -- a nice house that his father had bought for him.

    He had a signed Andy Warhol in his kitchen. It was a soup can, of course.

    He also tried to sell me his Porsche.

    Guys with show-biz stories and backgrounds are a dime a dozen.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Curle

    Buzz, you left out the part where you “f***ed his wife”.

    You’re slipping, man.

    • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Old Prude

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyV-oTTyIWg

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Old Prude

    That was the professor's wife, not the drummer's.

    I got the drummer's wife a job.

    (I'm always willing to help, one way or another.)

    She couldn't handle the job, so she went back to work at the grocery store.

  • @John Johnson
    @Jenner Ickham Errican


    They would do things like make posts as if they were small town Americans just sharing their opinions. That is fraud.
     
    Is your name really John Johnson? And if not, should you be arrested and tried for fraud?

    Using an anonymous name to express your opinions is not fraud. It is no different than the use of a pen name.

    Employing an office building of full-time online trolls pretending to be citizens of different country in order to flip an election is fraud.

    You are really trying hard to rationalize Putin's interference in our elections.

    Prigozhin admitted to doing it and Trump agreed with the FBI's findings.

    So you are really alone on this one.

    Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Mr. Anon

    Prigozhin admitted to doing it and Trump agreed with the FBI’s findings.

    Trump agrees with the last fawning sycophant he talked to.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. Anon


    Prigozhin admitted to doing it and Trump agreed with the FBI’s findings.

     

    Trump agrees with the last fawning sycophant he talked to.

    Did you have an excuse for other Republicans that agreed with the FBI's findings?

    In any case I will take the word of Prigozhin who ran the troll farm.

    A complete scumbag but an honest scumbag. One of the few Russians that were willing to be honest about the war.

    Thank God that Putin had him killed instead of promoting him over Shoigu. Putin went with the mediocre ass kisser to the benefit for Ukraine.

    Oops I mean it is a tragedy that Prigozhin died in a plane accident involving cocaine and hand grenades.

    When will the world learn? It's a bad idea to get high on cocaine and play with hand grenades. Thank you Putin for getting to the bottom of what happened.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  • @Achmed E. Newman
    @Almost Missouri

    High agreement level here, Mr. Missouri - I prefer "When the music stops", BTW.

    Now, in case readers here have short memories or bad search fu, I will say that we at Peak Stupidity (that is, me, myself, and I) have been writing about this on these threads and on the blog for years. I started writing on the latter with some primers - all of it with the Global Financial Stupidity (it's not just US) starting in early '17.

    As for these threads, you all may recall that as I brought the subject of impending financial pain coming, the former host, Mr. Sailer, and quite a few commenters all blew this off as nonsense. I especially recall AnotherDad* blowing off this worry, but other commenters, well, I've forgotten who they were and don't really care to search it all up.

    So, my comment above in regards to Trump's handling of Federal financial matters is out of place for me. However, that's where we stand now. The public has a terrible political memory, so whoever is in power gets the blame. It'll be epic - along the lines of Old Prude's comment, I wish I could know the exactly quarter-year, at least - to see the public blame it all on a President Gavin Newsome.

    There's a 1967 11 minute live version, but to get in that true mesmerized state from these vocals, Ray Manzerik's keyboards, and the whole gang, it's better to just listen... all the problems will be lost...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry9IeyzMgtE


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    * ... now writing somewhat frequently on the stevesailer.net site. I wish he would write here, as he's a common-sense guy with a lot of good commenting.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Mark G.

    Achmed, I visited Peak Stupidity the last three days to try to find something worth reading since the Zblog shut down, Mark Steyn only writes once a week, and the company servers block UNZ.

    I found it unreadable. The narrow center column is not visually conducive to a quick scan. And your writing on that site doesn’t flow and isn’t cogent. I haven’t analyzed it, but it seems at a glance to have too many cutesy asides.

    I appreciate you make a daily effort, but the output doesn’t seem worth the effort. No offense, brother.

    • Disagree: Achmed E. Newman, Hail
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Old Prude

    You're probably right about "too many cutesy asides", but I don't agree with the rest of this.

    I'll let others here and the 5 to 10,000 (this summer, it's been double that) unique visitors monthly, 10 to 20,000 visits monthly, with 25 to 50,000 page views (ratio of from 2 to 3 1/2, pretty normal) make their own calls.

    Here's what's on the top page as I write:

    Tennessee Coates on Charlie Kirk and the Wiki Effect
    Orwellian AI dream sequence
    Great post by James Kirkpatrick... Greg Hood Kevin DeAnna about Charlie Kirk
    Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, Indentured Servitude has got to go!
    Uber Stupidity follow-up
    ATTENTION ALL USERS: Plandemic Alert!
    ICE Cube mistaken for ICE
    Nice work, President Trump!
    Financial Planning Assumptions in a SHTF-worthy World
    Sombrero Shopping - Are Haberdasheries no long a thing?
    It's the shutdown of the Feral Gov'ment, and I feel fine ...
    Stupidity v Evil: Some men ya' just cain't reach...
    Taking traffic signaling devices too literally
    "Think Nationally, Act Locally" bumper stickers should be issued...
    It's a family tradition
    Stupidity Updates (4)
    The biggest possible University Bubble pin prick
    Meet the new Pope... same as the old Pope..
    Not done avoiding uncomfortable truths in the UK
    Aye, Caramba! Esta ¡¡La Nina!!



    You got me looking into the stats with more than just a glance for the first time in a few years. Those numbers above were ranges, but YoY totals have gone up by 100%, 45%, and 15%, respectively. It doesn't matter that much. I'm writing for my own good. If I can help entertain and enlighten others, that's a big plus ...


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    * That means separate IP numbers over the month, not the number of new people each month.

    Replies: @Corpse Tooth

    , @Adam Smith
    @Old Prude

    Greetings, Old Prude,

    If you click this link to PeakStupidity it should take care of that "center column is not visually conducive to a quick scan" problem you're having. As for the rest of your critique... That's above my pay grade.

    Also... If you leave a comment remember to begin your comment with the capital letters PS or your comment will be lost. (The PS at the beginning of the comment is Achmed's solution for eliminating comments from internet spambots.)

    Happy Friday! ☮️

  • @Pericles
    @vinteuil

    Bill Clinton was a frequent flyer and doesn't seem like the kind of person to hold back at outdated issues of morality. More precisely, we know he isn't.

    What about Obama? He doesn't seem like the kind of person to bang women with much enthusiasm. Though he did have at least one non-black girlfriend, I seem to recall. Ah yes, Beardina. She had to go for strategic reasons. Anyway, the Obama kompromat, if any, had to be handled by someone else. Nobody even tries to, er, tar Obama with this.

    As mentioned, Trump has a different type so that seems unlikely. Though Epstein's benefactor Wexner owned Victoria's Secret, so who knows? Then again, Trump had the Miss Universe contest for a number of years (2006-2015 wikipedia tells me), which might have served equally well to provide contacts with the first-rate. As I recall (from an article) Trump was the only one in the Epstein vicinity who cooperated with the police in the first investigation and was fully cleared and even praised.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    “Beardina”. Very good.

  • @Hypnotoad666
    @epebble


    talking about debt crisis has become taboo topic.
     
    You're definitely right that it's the most under discussed elephant in the room. But I'm not sure that's because it's "taboo." It think it's because it's both incredibly obvious (we have to cut spending and raise taxes until our books balance), and yet it's also infinitely complex (which taxes? Which spending? How much of each?).

    Somehow it's not an interesting or accessible topic (too obvious to be interesting, too big and complex to be accessible).

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mark G., @Old Prude, @Almost Missouri

    The Ukraine-Russia, Israel-Iran etc. conflicts are important, but mainly because one of them might escalate into World War III, nuclear exchanges, and the end of human life on this planet. Us getting involved in overseas wars actually increases the possibility of that.

    Our biggest problems are here at home and excessive attention to ethnic or religious feuds on the other side of the planet distracts us from dealing with them. One big problem is we are living beyond our means as indicated by the high levels of federal government spending and large federal government deficits we run every year. The other biggest problem is probably uncontrolled non-White immigration. Trump has made some good moves on immigration but has done poorly on reducing government spending or becoming less involved in overseas conflicts.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, Old Prude
    • Replies: @Dmon
    @Mark G.

    "Trump has made some good moves on immigration but has done poorly on reducing government spending or becoming less involved in overseas conflicts."

    Trump's actually implementing funding the government through tariffs (on a very small scale), just like before Americans were sold out in 1913.
    Hell - if he announces that the new H-1B fees will be applied to fund WIC, punishing those greedy globalist tech lords to feed the poor black chilluns, he might be the first 5 term president.

    https://www.wcvb.com/article/wic-funding-trump-shutdown-tariff-relief/69003737


    The Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children helps more than 6 million low-income mothers, young children and expectant parents to purchase nutritious staples like fruits and vegetables, low-fat milk and infant formula. The program, known as WIC, was at risk of running out of money this month because of the government shutdown, which occurred right before it was slated to receive its annual appropriation.
    ...
    Officials from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which runs WIC, told congressional staffers they were using $300 million in unspent tariff revenue from the last fiscal year to keep the program afloat, two people briefed on the call told AP. The people declined to be named because they were not authorized to share details from the call.
    Tariff revenue supports many USDA programs. The law permits the administration to transfer money allocated for other programs to WIC.
     

    Replies: @Mark G.

  • @Hypnotoad666
    @epebble


    talking about debt crisis has become taboo topic.
     
    You're definitely right that it's the most under discussed elephant in the room. But I'm not sure that's because it's "taboo." It think it's because it's both incredibly obvious (we have to cut spending and raise taxes until our books balance), and yet it's also infinitely complex (which taxes? Which spending? How much of each?).

    Somehow it's not an interesting or accessible topic (too obvious to be interesting, too big and complex to be accessible).

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mark G., @Old Prude, @Almost Missouri

    The debt is not discussed because the house of cards, built on a foundation of sand, should have collapsed in 2008, but here we are thirteen years later, four times as broke, and still things shamble along.

    Whadya gonna do? If you bet economic collapse was right around the corner you were wrong 4,745 times in a row. Wanna place a bet on tomorrow, chump?

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  • @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Achmed E. Newman

    The ADL hates White people more than they care about their own people. They probably lack the self-awareness to understand that.

    At a time when they should have been building goodwill with Whites, they did the opposite.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    The ADL and SPLC will happily invite millions of Muslims into America to beat up Jews and burn synagogues if it allows them to tar white folks as racist.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Old Prude

    Indeed, that's exactly what happened in Europe.

  • @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jack D


    This completely misses the main point, which is that the man was lynched.
     
    That may be a valid point, Jack, but your whole comment misses the point on a higher level. Nobody would be mentioning this Leo Frank at all but for his role in the formation of the odious Woke, anti-White, ADL. That this org long been given unofficial advisory power to determine who is bad or good is what this is about.

    Again, the power of the ADL is something that Trump, and ONLY Trump, has done something about. This IS starting to get old, I know, but give the guy some credit, people!

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @OilcanFloyd

    The ADL hates White people more than they care about their own people. They probably lack the self-awareness to understand that.

    At a time when they should have been building goodwill with Whites, they did the opposite.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    The ADL and SPLC will happily invite millions of Muslims into America to beat up Jews and burn synagogues if it allows them to tar white folks as racist.

    Replies: @J.Ross

  • @John Johnson
    @Achmed E. Newman


    You’re suggesting we should look the other way on Russia interfering in our elections? Looking the other way on fraud?

     

    You’re one of THOSE guys? Seriously? Yes the Russians spent ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS on twitter or something. (Steve Sailer would have a picture of Dr. Evil – Mike Myers – biting his pinkie here.)

    One of what guys? Someone who repeats the Russian acknowledgment about interfering in the election? Does that bother you? Would you prefer a media source that keeps away Russian statements that make you emotional?

    Did you have a receipt for how much they spent? How would you know the extent of it? Is that something Putin said?

    Russian clowncon apologists then:
    IT ISNT TRUE. MSM LIEZ. PUTIN IS GUD GUY HE WOULD NEVER DO THAT. I SAW HIM ON TEEVEE IN CHURCH. YOU CAN TRUST WHAT HE SAYS.

    Russian clown apologists now:
    OK THEY INTERFERED BUT THEY ONLY SPENT A HUNDRED GRAND. YOU CAN TRUST WHAT HE SAYS.

    Reagan would switch parties if he could see modern clowncons like yourself defending a Russian dictator who oversaw a program that interfered in our election.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman, @Hypnotoad666, @Mr. Anon

    Reagan would switch parties if he could see modern clowncons like yourself defending a Russian dictator who oversaw a program that interfered in our election.

    Ronald Reagan was not a moron. During his Presidency, it was the USSR we were dealing with, not Russia. Do you understand the difference? Containing Communism, which had engulfed half of the non-3rd-World, was THE most important foreign policy for America for 40 years. Reagan (with a whole lot of help) ended the Cold War, so that priority has been forgotten, I guess, or never known of by people under 40 y/o.

    Putin may even be a worse dictator than your paranoid mind can imagine, but were he, why should I care? Why should America care? This ain’t 1985.

    It really helps not to have been glued to the TV. For me, it’s been a quarter century, so I can think straight. Try it.

    • Agree: Mark G., Old Prude
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ronald Reagan was not a moron. During his Presidency, it was the USSR we were dealing with, not Russia. Do you understand the difference?

    Reagan imagined freedom for Eastern Europe and not rule by a tyrant that locks down the media and poisons the opposition.

    Let's hear a quote from Reagan:
    Whatever else history may say about me when I’m gone, I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears; to your confidence rather than your doubts. My dream is that you will travel the road ahead with liberty’s lamp guiding your steps and opportunity’s arm steadying your way

    He was an optimist who imagined freedom for everyone.

    Does Putin hold the lamp of liberty? Of course not. He would keep in the world in complete darkness if he had the choice. He would censor the global internet and limit everyone to Rooshan State TV. A 5'1 control freak who despises the concept of individual freedom. In Russia you can be imprisoned for drawing Putin as a crab. It's some stupid Russian joke that I guess really bothers him. A fucking crab.

    Putin may even be a worse dictator than your paranoid mind can imagine, but were he, why should I care? Why should America care? This ain’t 1985.

    You care enough to defend the vertically challenged crab king and in this thread you tried to downplay their interference in our election.

    We will see what actions of Putin you defend next.

    You clearly care about defending his reputation while Reagan would have despised him.

    Another confused conservative who wed himself to Putin out of spite for Western powers. It's like celebrating HIV because you resent the spread of syphilis.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Mike Tre
    @Achmed E. Newman

    "During his Presidency, it was the USSR we were dealing with, not Russia. Do you understand the difference? ... ...It really helps not to have been glued to the TV. For me, it’s been a quarter century, so I can think straight. Try it. "

    Interestingly enough Hollywood, throughout the duration of the Cold War era, in its movies made sure to refer to the Soviet Union as "Russia" as often as possible. One of many examples is the fact that FFC's Patton, the term "Soviet Union" isn't uttered a single time. Later movies like the Rambo franchise and Red Dawn, made sure to use "Russians" much more often that "Soviets," if they even used the latter term at all.

    It would not surprise me if Jeet Johnson learned English watching syndicated daytime programming.

  • @Mr. Anon
    @John Johnson


    Well that will never happen.
     
    Some people probably said the same thing before Bud Light lost a huge fraction of their sales and were displaced as America's No. 1 selling beer.

    I’ve had White tradcons get upset that I wasn’t interested in a game. It actually bothered them that I would not be taking part. I knew White tradcons that were taking part in a $1200 fantasy football bowl. But that wasn’t gambling to them cause…um…they spend endless hours playing a game of trade Blacks. That makes it somehow different and not gambling. Playing trade Blacks and spending half their waking hours talking about how they totally snagged DeMarcus from that idiot Shawn in accounting.
     
    What do you meen by "tradcon whites"? People who actually watch and believe FOX? I would just call them normies. Maybe conservatards.

    But thanks for making your usual contribution to the discussion: to council surrender and inaction and just generally to be pointlessly argumentative.

    Replies: @William Badwhite

    I’ve had White tradcons get upset that I wasn’t interested in a game. It actually bothered them that I would not be taking part. I knew White tradcons that were taking part in a $1200 fantasy football bowl.

    What do you meen by “tradcon whites”?

    Notice how many of Johnson’s posts involve him making up conversations he had with whoever is convenient. “I have…get upset” or “I’ve had 4 conservatives actually tell me” or “The other day I was talking to three leftist women”.

    That’s why I think he’s a jeet. The utter shamelessness.

    • Agree: Mike Tre, Old Prude
  • @Hail
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    Nobel Lit prize winner
     

    László Krasznahorkai, a Hungarian … with ‘Jewish roots’
     

    it’s known as the Not Thomas Pynchon Prize
     

    One wonders what the purpose of the whole thing is
     
    It could be a signal the Peace Prize will go to a pro-Palestine group, i.e., they're strategically balancing by giving the Literature Prize to an Israel-citizenship-eligible sort.

    The markets however don't think so. A late surge of betting-money has gone to the already-favorite Sudan people. (Also, lots of people lost their Trump-bet nerve:)

    ___________

    Implied %-chance to win Nobel Peace Prize 2025, Polymarket betting-market:

    - 37%: Sudan's Emergency Response Rooms
    - 9% Yulia Navalnaya
    - 9% Doctors Without Borders
    - 8% International Court of Justice
    - 4% Donald Trump
    - 3% Mediterranean Sea Rescue organizations
    - 3% UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees)
    - 2% Greta
    - 2% António Guterres
    - 2% María Corina Machado
    - a number of others had gotten serious levels of bets but have sunk down to 1% or less.

    ___________

    The Nobel Peace Prize will be announced in about14 hours.

    Replies: @Hail

    The winner of the Nobel Peace Prize 2025 is….:

    MARIA CORINA MACHADO.

    She wins because, quote, she “keeps the flame of democracy burning amidst a growing darkness” of the dictatorship in Venezuela.

    She was on the list of contenders, but down at 1% a few days ago and up (only) to 2% yesterday. A few people made good money. (It’s Norway so we assume no insider-trading.)

    This was her entry in my run-down of the the betting-markets’ contendors:

    María Corina Machado (1%), anti-Maduro political dissident in Venezuela, now in hiding.

    Yes, she is a pro-Western Venezuelan.

    She is towards the Mestizo range but, from what I can tell, has a Whiter husband. Her children are what some like to call ‘Castizos’ (near-White or “off-White” by our standards; in practical terms, she would be seen as “Latin-American Hispanic” but her children, if US-raised, might be seen as “White but with something exotic”).
    (Geo)political observations:

    (1.) TRUMP PROBABLY HAPPY. Trump didn’t win. But given that he is now actively trying to topple the Venezuela government using extrajudicial mafia tactics, he and his people might welcome this result. They can spin it to be: “Venezuela are bad guys, so Trump bullying them must be good.”

    (2.) SILENCE ON ISRAEL/PALESTINE. They declined to make any political statement, via the award, to criticize Israel either directly or indirectly.

    (3.) PRO-WESTERN MESSAGE? Politically she could be placed as pro-Western / anti-Third Worldist. It may be a stretch to read a message of “the West is worth fighting for” in this seletion, but it’s a possible reading. Especially given the next observation:

    (4.) REFUGEES. They made a specific point that “millions of Venezuelans have left Venezuela” because of the economic crisis overseen by the Maduro government, and implied this wouldn’t have happened if they’d had democracy. It’s wrapped up in nice-sounding language, but I detect an anti-Migrant tenor in the announcement. So it could well be quite the opposite of a “peace prize to refugee smugglers into Europe”-type award. This is the mid-2020s, not the mid-2010s.

    (5.) RACE and the CASTIZO-ELITE. In “ethnopolitical” terms, Maria Corina Machado’s pro-Western (anti-Chavez, anti-Maduro, “right-wing”) views would probably tip her over, in some eyes, into the Castizo category herself. Because all these things are always flexible in a place like Latin America (and with racial-mixes, phenotype can be misleading; she might have a Mestizo-phenotype but a White, “Castizo”-genotype).

    In effect, the Castizos like Maria Corina Machado are the natural ruling-element of Venezuela and many other Latin-American societies. These places don’t have any meaningful full-White population-stocks anymore, but they do have wealthy, powerful, galvanized, and ethnopolitically-cohesive Castizo population-stocks.

    The Castizo element is the source of many-a “caudillo” of the past, and, as far as I know, the overwhelming source of all Venezuela’s elites before Hugo Chavez (1999-2012). As Steve Sailer had pointed out, traditionally whenever a Nonwhite man in these places made good, he’d marry a White(r) woman and the descendants would fold into the higher-Mestizo or Castizo elements.

    Some will remember that the US attempted to install a guy called Juan Guaido as president of Venezuela, a few years ago. He is also a Castizo.

    (6.) REJECTION OF POST-WHITE TRIUMPHALISM of HUGO CHAVEZ? The Chavez movement, and the Maduro follow-on political force(s), have always been multi-racial, post-White, with anti-White overtones, driven by the charismatic leadership of Chavez.

    The Maduro people’s domestic legitimacy, I assume, continues to rest on these racialist energies. The leaders of the opposition are always conspicuously Whiter-end people (of course, that doesn’t make them good automatically). The Nobel Prize to one of them could be seen as a signal of “post-White racial Messianism is note automatically green-lit anymore.”

    It’s not 2009 with the Barack H. Obama affirmative-action Nobel Peace Prize. Welcome to the second quarter of the 21st century.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Hail

    Not sure if "keeping the flame of democracy" really counts as peace, especially since Venezuela got into the mess that is being protested by democracy too, but there you go. Oslo threaded the needle nicely without awarding Trump and yet not aggravating him too badly either, and that is all that matters. I wonder if the peace talks in Palestine will fall apart now, though.

    PS. Speculations over here whether the winner was leaked because of late betting, but I don't really care.

    PPS. Obama was the nadir, btw. But one of several such.

    Replies: @epebble, @Almost Missouri

  • @Adam Smith
    @Hail

    Greetings, Mr. Hail!



    Forbes 100: 35 of Top 100 U.S. Billionaires Are Jewish...

     

    Despite being 2% of the population, jews own 47.6% of the NBA franchises...


    https://i.ibb.co/6RYJVz1g/despite-being-2-percent-of-the-population-jews-own-46-7-percent-of-the-nba-franchises.jpg

    Cheers! ☮️

    Replies: @Hail, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Attention AI info-supremacy believers. Behold:

    The claim that Jews…own 46.7% of NBA franchises is a widely circulated antisemitic conspiracy theory that is factually incorrect, [is] misleading and draws upon harmful antisemitic stereotypes.

    Here’s a breakdown of the facts behind this claim:

    – …[A]round 14 of the 30 principal owners of NBA teams are Jewish, this is closer to 46% and not “46.7% of NBA franchises.” […]

    – The claim uses…a long-standing antisemitic trope that falsely accuses Jewish people of secretly controlling banks, media, and other industries.

    – […] The NBA’s urban roots and historical Jewish presence in [business and finance] are more nuanced explanations than the conspiratorial framing

    “Case closed.”

    • Agree: Adam Smith, Old Prude
    • LOL: res
    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Hail

    "The crucial 0.7%" LOL

    Replies: @Dmon

    , @EdwardM
    @Hail

    Today's trivial language gripe:


    The claim that Jews…own 46.7% of NBA franchises is a widely circulated antisemitic conspiracy theory that is factually incorrect, [is] misleading and draws upon harmful antisemitic stereotypes.
     
    Thank you for the "[is]"! The failure to use parallel constructions in lists has reached epidemic proportions. The worst abusers are pharma commercials' lists of warnings, e.g., "do not use if you are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant..." Every single one has lists that are grammatically incorrect in this fashion.
  • @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Old Prude


    U.S. Industry will never recover because all the clever white boys are easing into retirement.
     
    Maybe they will become activists for their race.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    LITFLOM, you are a bore. Effective advocates for the interests of whites are not monomaniacs like you, and Jared Taylor and Peter Brimelow (though I really hesitate to put you in the same category of those two real gentlemen). It is folks like Derbyshire, Z-man, and Mark Steyn are who are moving the needle because they don’t just drone on about race, but talk of other items of human interest, Opera, Broadway Musicals, and Pink Floyd eg.

    They come across as relatable and well-rounded and draw a wider audience, who learn to respect their opinions and judgements as sound and well reasoned, which carries over into effective advocacy for the preservation of white civilization.

    I don’t visit AmRen nor Brimelow’s Substack because I already know what they are talking about and already support them.

    I don’t read your comments because you are a one topic bore, who, to be frank, haven’t given any reason to respect your opinions and your judgement.

    • Agree: Currdog73, Mark G.
    • Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Old Prude

    You might want to find out what's happening in the under 70 crowd. The younger you go, the more openly pro-White they are.

    Your argument is that white people concerned about their civilization don't want to hear about RACE? They want more about Taylor Swift and Musicals? LOL.

    It is true that full time pundits who do an hour a day have to talk about all kinds of stuff. (Nick Fuentes does and he is far more radical than Jared Taylor). But nobody comes to this place to read prattle about Pink Floyd. People aren't coming here to "join a 60s rock community". If they care about music, they go to a music blog.

    The truth is, most of you don't want RACE to be discussed because you aren't loyal to your own people. Sailer had the same limp-wristed approach which is why he blew his one chance on Tucker.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  • @John Johnson
    @Mark G.

    John seems to be arguing that the fact that Germany did well after the high inflation of the twenties means we do not need to worry about high inflation.

    Not exclusively that event and I have never said that high inflation is not a worry.

    The point was more that Germany has all kinds of currency changes and yet they remain the economic leader of Europe. That was true before the wars.

    Germany not only had insanely high record inflation after WW1 but were bombed to smithereens in WW2.

    Eastern Germany was completely removed from their economy and yet their Western economy still rebounded within 10 years to become a European leader and the Deutsche Mark was a reserve currency.

    They later dropped the DM for the Euro and yet their economy didn't go into a tailspin.

    But I'm supposed to be concerned with a less than 1 percentage point move per year away from the dollar as a reserve currency even though it was lower in the 1990s.

    Right.

    Well I'm not buying it. The "dollar is doom" bloggers were wrong over Putin's 4d chess. Skepticism should be the normal position on this one. The rapture didn't happen so those of us that were skeptical should be the default. You need to convince the skeptics of your dollar doom scenario, rapture scenario or end of the world.

    Replies: @Mark G.

    “were bombed to smithereens in World War II”

    Yes, Germany hardly had any factories after the war. Now, most of our factories are gone. Here in the Midwest where many of them were there has been declining life expectancy in recent years from what Angus Deaton calls deaths of despair from alcohol and drug abuse along with suicides.

    The dollar is not being replaced by another currency. It is being replaced by gold so you need to look at the dollar in relationship to gold. Gold has doubled in price since we started our proxy war against Russia in the Ukraine.

    When the countries where manufacturing is done now stop taking our increasingly worthless dollars, we are not going to be buying those goods from our factories instead since we no longer have our industrial base. We won’t have the wealth to build all the factories to produce the formerly imported goods. We won’t have a large high IQ White population with the ability to construct factories and repair and operate the machines. People like that are retiring or dying off and being replaced by younger low IQ non-Whites.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @James B. Shearer
    @Mark G.

    "The dollar is not being replaced by another currency. It is being replaced by gold ..."

    Really? So you have lots of examples of new commercial contracts denominated in gold?

    Replies: @Mark G.

  • @John Johnson
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The dollar is losing value though. To an extent that’s probably a good thing, if you want to rebuild exports and bring manufacturing home.

    A separate discussion with a variety of causes.

    My worry is that Trump has 3.5 years, but destroying US industry was a forty year project. And the US of say 1973 (when I worked a summer manufacturing job and was stunned by how good US machine tools were) is not the same in 2025 after fifty years of immigration. Turning round the tanker would be a huge job even for an absolute ruler.

    There is talk of the Feds bailing out soy farmers which is the result of his Chinese tariffs.

    So far it looks like his tariffs will be more of a cost than a net gain.

    Which means we were better off with him sucking his thumb than dicking around with the economy.

    His red hat cult supporters said that the tariffs were needed to bring back manufacturing. They never explained why manufacturing would come back if those same Chinese companies can move to nearby Asian nations with lower tariffs. There was also no explanation of why they wouldn't simply wait four years instead of spending billions to move their infrastructure to the US.

    I wouldn't be against trying to move back some manufacturing but he is completely going at it wrong. You don't start a trade war with half the globe. His tariffs against Canada made zero sense and he never fully explained him. His ass kissing supporters never did either.

    Turning round the tanker would be a huge job even for an absolute ruler.

    Well how about not expanding the debt? Is that a huge job? Is that too much to ask? Clinton balanced the budget so why can't a Republican?

    Trump is expanding both the debt and military spending.

    Under Biden our Republicans said it was irresponsible to raise the cap.

    Under Trump: ON THE DOUBLE SIRRR!!!!!! (fellatio sound effects)

    It just shows that most US conservatives are full of shit and will drop their principles to suck off a spoiled brat billionaire. All he has to do is talk all manly (hur hur) and own them libs with some quips. Sure he is expanding the debt but did you hear his joke about Rosie O'Donnel? THEM LIBS R GUNNA BE PISSED!!!!

    Replies: @Mark G., @Old Prude

    U.S. Industry will never recover because all the clever white boys are easing into retirement. Blacks are worthless. Mestizos are good at putting on roofing tiles fast. Pajeets are good at being self interested weasels. Orientals are good at being busy.

    None of our “New Americans” know how to turn a wrench or run a lathe. It’s tough to build anything without clever, mechanically inclined white boys, and America doesn’t make those anymore.

    • Thanks: Hail
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Old Prude

    We will have a strong defense industry for another generation or two, at least because of size and momentum. But many other fields like auto and semiconductor manufacturing are endangered. Electronic design and software will continue to do well.

    , @John Johnson
    @Old Prude

    U.S. Industry will never recover because all the clever white boys are easing into retirement. Blacks are worthless. Mestizos are good at putting on roofing tiles fast. Pajeets are good at being self interested weasels. Orientals are good at being busy.

    I have never said nor implied that US industry can return to previous levels and certainly not the 1940s or 50s which seems to be the MAGA fantasy.

    But there are certain industries that can be incentivized towards creating jobs in the US. I think that is a worthy goal and better than the traditional GOP/libertarian attitude of "oh fucking well" when it comes to creating family wage jobs that don't require a college degree.

    I think the better route is through improved infrastructure. I don't believe that tax cuts for billionaires will create more economic growth than building highways or nuclear plants. Mainstream Republicans disagree and supported not just tax cuts for billionaires but increased deficit spending in the most recent bill.

    I am a populist and unlike most of our politicians I am fine with discussing these ideas in an open manner.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Old Prude

    Not to sound like Steve Sailer or anything, but it's almost as if you've been reading my blog.

    Running out of Competent Old White Guys, is a post from August of last year. Manufacturing is the most important thing, and you're right about this. My post was about various other "core incompetencies" to borrow from corporate-speak, the mail delivery, auto repair, what-have-you. This thing can cascade, as remaining competent people are not able to work efficiently as those who provide them services or supplies work incompetently.

    You can end up like South Africa if you're not careful.

    (I'd have just put an [AGREE] here, but I hope there will be a way out. What would that require? Just the start of it would be the ability for both competent White men AND most others who aren't to admit that you're not gonna have the same great country without the COW-G's.)

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Old Prude


    U.S. Industry will never recover because all the clever white boys are easing into retirement.
     
    Maybe they will become activists for their race.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    , @John Johnson
    @Old Prude

    None of our “New Americans” know how to turn a wrench or run a lathe. It’s tough to build anything without clever, mechanically inclined white boys, and America doesn’t make those anymore.

    Despite the doom and gloom we are still #2 in manufacturing.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/manufacturing-by-country

    The US is responsible for 30% of global manufacturing.

    "We don't build anything anymore" - Scott "I hate reading" Ritter

    Replies: @Hail

  • @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    Reg Caesar said that he didn't care about the RACIAL problems White people were talking about. He spent 20 years attacking anyone who cried out for our people. He attacked anyone who begged for our children to be valued and given the chance they deserved.

    He responded with sneering comments and anagrams. For whatever reason, that is "cool" with most of the Boomer Fags who post here.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    LITFLOM, you have nothing further to offer here. You’ve said your piece, now, move along, young man.

  • @Mr. Anon
    @Achmed E. Newman


    No matter what ACTUALLY happens with the numbers, you gotta know where Trump’s heart is in this matter – anti-invasion and pro-White.
     
    Unfortunately, I do not believe that to be the case. Trump's heart is in only two things: Trump and the Trump family.

    This was The Donald last year, during the campaign:


    Trump departs from anti-immigrant rhetoric with green card proposal

    https://www.voanews.com/a/trump-departs-from-anti-immigrant-rhetoric-with-green-card-proposal/7665692.html
     

    Now, he has backed off of that and has proposed a $100,000 fee for H1-B visas, which is good (better would be to get Congress to mostly eliminate them). This proposal to restrict refugee admissions is also good. Perhaps Trump is listening more to Stephen Miller and less to whomever he used to listen to.

    He's also calling for the US to reoccupy the Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan. Here's an opinion piece in The Hill in support of this ludicrous idea:


    Why reclaiming an Afghan air base is in America’s national interest

    https://thehill.com/opinion/5530611-reclaim-bagram-air-base/
     

    It was written by Luke Coffey of the Hudson Institute, a reliably pro-Zionist and pro-MIC 'Think Tank'.

    Trump says we need Bagram to counter China (imagine it being said like Trump says it).

    I think it is really intended for a future war against Iran.

    Trump is not to be trusted. If he occasionally does something in our interest, great, but don't imagine that his heart is in it.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Achmed E. Newman

    Well, you’ve got 2 separate policies there. I agree with you completely regarding that stupid idea to open back up that airbase, Mr. Anon. Why is he pushing for this and all the rest of that? Is it for himself and his family? Nope, it’s for the pro-Israel contingent obviously, which means that he has let himself convinced all the warmongering is actually a good thing after all, but only the way he handles it, because he wrote “The Art of the Deal”. He’s listened to them for a long time, so backing off on all would take some long conversations with some other people, not Jewish NeoCons (or any NeoCons).

    Trump is not stupid, but I don’t think he has spent the time to really develop principles and understand what’s going on in the world outside his businesses and friends. So he delegates the thinking. He’s gotten much better, mind you, but that stupid Chinese 1/2 million student visas and the “stapling green cards to diplomas of foreigners”, etc. is stuff that people like Steven Miller probably told him nicely was no good.

    Why don’t some commenters here answer my question, which is, “Would anyone else make the great move that he has on both cutting this refugee racket down by 94% and leaving the rest for White ACTUAL refugees?” I say nobody would have.

    How are these moves done for himself and his family?

    • Agree: Old Prude
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  • @Intelligent Dasein
    @Hail


    (Several of the commenters here, and many more of the non-commenting readers of this Sailer-blog discussion, were active at the Z-Man site. Intelligent Dasein spent a lot of time there...)
     
    Indeed. I actually controlled his output for several months by basically running Inception ops from the comments section. I would disagree with something he wrote and explain why. The disagreement itself would garner from him and his entourage the usual fusillade of insults and gainsayings that I've come to expect from such places; but, being right (as I typically am), the idea would exert some kind of subconscious force on the Z-Man, and---lo and behold!---the next day my "disagreement" would appear as his daily blog entry, suitably worked over in characteristic Z-Man fashion, with both him and his commenters seemingly oblivious to the fact that I had implanted the whole thing in his mind.

    This went on for quite some time---me playing the mini Wurlitzer while the peanut gallery hurled rotten tomatoes in my direction---but it wasn't really the way I wanted it. I kept hoping that he would actually "see" where his ideas were coming from and become conscious of them, so that we could have a real conversation about things. That didn't happen, however, and I had to quit before it got to be too on-the-nose. I don't get any pleasure out of that sort of manipulation, which I wasn't even trying to do in the first place. Now that he's gone, I can only shake my head at the lost opportunities. HBD is a cancerous thought-worm that really blinds the eyes of those whom it infects, rendering them impervious to any kind of criticism or correction.

    The Z-Man had a very odd sort of mind. I think the adjective that best describes it is "backwards." He would talk about well-known people and things as if they were esoteric figments he was struggling to pull out of the ether---"Speaking of lying, there was that guy from back in the '90s who just used to lie with impunity...I think he was a politician from Arkansas or somewhere...who was it?...Ah...Oh well, It doesn't matter...Oh!... Bill Clinton, that was it!"---and meanwhile he would employ his own private lexicon with perfect assurance, as if it were some universal language that we all ought to understand instinctively. Whenever he reached for a commonplace idiom or cliché, he would invariably employ it in exactly the opposite sense that it normally carries. For example, the saying, "Dogs bark and caravans move on," is supposed to mean that the deeper events of life and history progress towards their destined outcome with a serene steadiness that is not deterred by the yapping objections of inconsequential people; but whenever Z-Man used this phrase, he would identify himself with the dogs and deem the Progressive Left the caravan that marches on: the very opposite of the essentially optimistic manner in which a real Traditionalist would take it.

    The Z-Man was not really too bright. He was the kind of person who, in a better world, should have ended up as a middle school English teacher that the students begrudgingly admitted handled the material effectively, despite his tangential stories and monotone delivery; but somehow or another, he got shunted into a "bad timeline" version of himself and became the bellwether for a cadre of internet cranks who only had the intellect and maturity of middle-schoolers. That he was interred with Catholic ceremony despite his atheism, his utter rejection of the faith, and his Norman Greenbaum-level grasp of theology is an ending that only Flannery O'Conner could write---and a merciful repudiation of his work.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Achmed E. Newman, @res, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    You felt so threatened by Z-Man. What a vicious little vermin you are. I am finding that it is the faux religious types, whether you or E Michael Jones, who are the biggest enemies of our race.

    Z-Man’s influence lives on.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  • @Hail
    @deep anonymous

    The blog and other commentary by the writer known as The Z-Man (r.i.p.) gives some useful insights into Greater Baltimore, especially paired up with race data. It tells a localized version of the Great Replacement.

    The Z-Man, a.k.a. Chris Zander (1966-2025), was a native of that general region of Maryland, had extensive family ties there, and lived there most of his life, and I believe in Baltimore City for much of his core-adult working-years. I understand he also, at times, had work ties that brought him into regular contact with the immediate Washington D.C. metropolitan area.

    (The Census counts the two together in its widest economic-regional measure known as Combined Statistical Areas, indicating overlapping economic ties between the two. Obviously-enough so, in the era of the Interstate Highway system and the full normalization of long-commuting by car, an artifact of the Race problem above anything else.)

    Decline -- as from the proverbial "closing of the factory," or any other such cause -- is a process which can be recovered from, to varying degrees. The risk, in a multi-racial society full of Net Takers, is when depressed places create depressed prices and a retreat of public-spiritedness, which by turns attract and encourage the proliferation of elements whose norms are bound to keep prices down (and not in a good way), further incentivizing low-human-capital arrivals. After a few rounds of this, the new people have tended to lock in new norms, in which White families definitely cannot thrive, in which Whites often cannot even function healthily (in many cases) and become mired slowly in psycho-spiritual malaise.

    This process has long since spilled beyond the borders of places like Baltimore City and other "inner cities." (Trump's references to "inner cities" is largely an anachronism, and showing of his age; his points-of-reference are decades old; he's soon to turn 80.)

    Baltimore County, surrounding Baltimore City, has been undergoing a considerable Race Replacement:

    ___________

    [Baltimore County, Maryland]

    White non-Hispanic (% of total)
    - 1980: 586,204 (89.4%)
    - 1990: 582,397 (84.1%)
    - 2000: 553,890 (73.4%)
    - 2010: 504,556 (62.7%)
    - 2020: 443,263 (51.9%)

    Black (incl. "Black Hispanics" before 2000)
    - 1980: 53,955
    - 1990: 85,451
    - 2000: 150,456
    - 2010: 206,913
    - 2020: 252,724

    Others
    - 1980: 15,456
    - 1990: 24,286
    - 2000: 49,946
    - 2010: 93,560
    - 2020: 158,548

    Ratio of White:Black
    - 1980: ca. 1100:100 (11:1) counting only Black Non-Hispanics
    - 1990: ca. 700:100 (7:1) counting only Black non-Hispanics
    - 2000: 368:100 (4:1)
    - 2010: 244:100 (2:1)
    - 2020: 175:100 (under 2:1).

    (For comparison: Baltimore City's longer-term decline extends some decades beyond this 1980-to-2020 window but the overall pattern is the same. As of 1980, Baltimore City still had 342,000 Whites vs. 430,000 Blacks. The 2020 Census counted a paltry 157,000 Whites, 336,000 Blacks, and 93,000 Others. Whites holding on at 27%, down from 85%-White in 1920.)

    ___________

    Some time in the early 2020s, the (once-White) Baltimore County slipped into White-minority status. That's forty-five or fifty years after the same happened in Baltimore City before it.

    (And, by some point around the mid- or late-2010s, "Baltimore City+County" tipped over into Black > White status. Spiritually speaking, the tip-over point will need to be dated earlier, maybe something ten or even twenty years earlier. That's kind of a longer and harder story to tell than this one using Census data.)

    Not so long ago, a lot of communities in Baltimore County were effectively 100%-White. St the 'macro,' county level, the place was near 90% White and only 8% Black in 1980; lots of those Blacks will have been concentrated in a few places, and so many neighborhoods or large areas could be assumed to have trivial numbers of Blacks, many in the <1% range.

    Many localities in Baltimore County within the living memory of someone like the Z-Man, or the parents of the current-day youth, would've been at John Derbyshire-allowed levels of racial diversity. (Mr Derb has counseled the need for a self-confident White supermajority, but, here in (post)modern times, with added allowances for "dashes of spice in the soup." I believe that was his phrasing. A bit of a self-serving caveat, the cynic or racialist might say.)

    Baltimore County gets a lot less attention than the equivalents of the counties immediately adjacent to Washington D.C. because so many media people live in, or are tied to and exposed to, Washington and nearby Baltimore is often something of an afterthought for this opinion-shaping class.

    As for the Z-Man, the pessimism he showed during his blogging career in the 2010s and early 2020s, up to the time of his untimely death before reaching his 60th birthday, is symbolic. The numbers do show a rapid decline in the fortunes of Whites in Greater Baltimore (the %-White within Baltimore City has likewise continued to drop, never stabilizing, always dropping).

    Remembering that the Z-Man was born in 1966, he'll have observed these changes first-hand his lifetime. Place after place that had been huge-White-supermajority communities in his memory, quietly tipping over into Black-heavy places, and some into the shabby status of "places that any Whites with means will tend to leave." The Z-Man referred to the Baltimore City, where he lived, as "Lagos," without affection.

    (Several of the commenters here, and many more of the non-commenting readers of this Sailer-blog discussion, were active at the Z-Man site. Intelligent Dasein spent a lot of time there. John Derbyshire probably isn't reading these comments, but he himself became a kind of partner of the Z-Man's operation, hosting his Radio Derb there. VDare and AmRen gave him speaking slots, and so on.)

    The Z-Man has been eulogized widely, as often happens with unexpected deaths at relatively young ages. If word came out that Pat Buchanan died today, it would be sad and nostalgic for some who remember him when he was active. But he has been fully retired and out of writing and speaking for years, and he is nearing 90. The Z-Man was still in his 50s.

    A tragic irony to the story of the Z-Man was he finally left Baltimore, or "Lagos," around early 2024. I'm not sure where he went first, but eventually he wound up settling in a place in West Virginia, not far from the VDare Castle. I understand Peter Brimelow helped run Z-Man's funeral.

    If the Z-Man had lived to 2030, he'd be among the "missing Whites" that Census-2030 data would pick up. He'd have been counted there in 2020, but gone in 2030. The story of quite a few not just in Baltimore City but also (maybe surprisingly, to some unfamiliar with the area) also once-White Baltimore County. Few of those leaving Baltimore City/County over the years will have become "racialist bloggers" or anything of the sort, like the Z-Man did. But very assuredly the motivation to leave for so many of them has been the same as Z-Man's was to leave "Lagos"-Baltimore.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein, @deep anonymous

    (Several of the commenters here, and many more of the non-commenting readers of this Sailer-blog discussion, were active at the Z-Man site. Intelligent Dasein spent a lot of time there…)

    Indeed. I actually controlled his output for several months by basically running Inception ops from the comments section. I would disagree with something he wrote and explain why. The disagreement itself would garner from him and his entourage the usual fusillade of insults and gainsayings that I’ve come to expect from such places; but, being right (as I typically am), the idea would exert some kind of subconscious force on the Z-Man, and—lo and behold!—the next day my “disagreement” would appear as his daily blog entry, suitably worked over in characteristic Z-Man fashion, with both him and his commenters seemingly oblivious to the fact that I had implanted the whole thing in his mind.

    This went on for quite some time—me playing the mini Wurlitzer while the peanut gallery hurled rotten tomatoes in my direction—but it wasn’t really the way I wanted it. I kept hoping that he would actually “see” where his ideas were coming from and become conscious of them, so that we could have a real conversation about things. That didn’t happen, however, and I had to quit before it got to be too on-the-nose. I don’t get any pleasure out of that sort of manipulation, which I wasn’t even trying to do in the first place. Now that he’s gone, I can only shake my head at the lost opportunities. HBD is a cancerous thought-worm that really blinds the eyes of those whom it infects, rendering them impervious to any kind of criticism or correction.

    The Z-Man had a very odd sort of mind. I think the adjective that best describes it is “backwards.” He would talk about well-known people and things as if they were esoteric figments he was struggling to pull out of the ether—“Speaking of lying, there was that guy from back in the ’90s who just used to lie with impunity…I think he was a politician from Arkansas or somewhere…who was it?…Ah…Oh well, It doesn’t matter…Oh!… Bill Clinton, that was it!”—and meanwhile he would employ his own private lexicon with perfect assurance, as if it were some universal language that we all ought to understand instinctively. Whenever he reached for a commonplace idiom or cliché, he would invariably employ it in exactly the opposite sense that it normally carries. For example, the saying, “Dogs bark and caravans move on,” is supposed to mean that the deeper events of life and history progress towards their destined outcome with a serene steadiness that is not deterred by the yapping objections of inconsequential people; but whenever Z-Man used this phrase, he would identify himself with the dogs and deem the Progressive Left the caravan that marches on: the very opposite of the essentially optimistic manner in which a real Traditionalist would take it.

    The Z-Man was not really too bright. He was the kind of person who, in a better world, should have ended up as a middle school English teacher that the students begrudgingly admitted handled the material effectively, despite his tangential stories and monotone delivery; but somehow or another, he got shunted into a “bad timeline” version of himself and became the bellwether for a cadre of internet cranks who only had the intellect and maturity of middle-schoolers. That he was interred with Catholic ceremony despite his atheism, his utter rejection of the faith, and his Norman Greenbaum-level grasp of theology is an ending that only Flannery O’Conner could write—and a merciful repudiation of his work.

    • Disagree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You felt so threatened by Z-Man. What a vicious little vermin you are. I am finding that it is the faux religious types, whether you or E Michael Jones, who are the biggest enemies of our race.

    Z-Man's influence lives on.

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Can you link us to some examples of your successful Inception Operations, just here on TUR, at least? I want to learn. Do they give you a badge? (I like being able to carry a badge, is all...)

    , @res
    @Intelligent Dasein


    I’ve come to expect from such places; but, being right (as I typically am)
     
    Well, at least that statement was half right (the first part).

    It is interesting to see your bitter side come out. A bit like when Corvinus became nasty.

    But seriously, read your comment again and think how it comes off to others. If you think you are always (or even "typically") right please revisit our past conversations. I might not always be right, but I would be surprised if my percentage was under 50% in those.

    Replies: @Currdog73, @Corvinus

    , @Jenner Ickham Errican
    @Intelligent Dasein


    —and meanwhile he would employ his own private lexicon with perfect assurance, as if it were some universal language that we all ought to understand instinctively.
     
    Hmm. Did you steal that modus operandi from him, or did you first “implant the whole thing in his mind”?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/isteve-open-thread-11/#comment-7302393

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/isteve-open-thread-11/#comment-7303213

    he got shunted into a “bad timeline” version of himself
     
    Haven’t you recently self-published a book that almost no one will ever read? How many copies have sold so far?

    Replies: @res

  • @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Old Prude

    You can always support pro-White causes. There are pundits out there struggling who are on our side.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    As a matter of fact, LITFLOM, the only money I give to folks goes to Am Ren, Vdare/Brimelow, and formerly Derb and Z-man. Some also goes to support The New Criterion, and Maine First

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Old Prude

    Like you I have donated money to Am Ren, Vdare and the Derb. I also gave Steve Sailer a donation a couple times.

    When it comes to voting, I vote to the right of the average Republican in the primaries but then vote for whichever Republican wins the nomination in the general election. I do not vote for far right candidates that would be extremely unpopular with the average White American.

    For example, in the 1992 primaries I voted for Pat Buchanan rather than George Bush to the left or David Duke to the right. In 2008 and 2012 I went for Ron Paul rather than John McCain and Mitt Romney. In 2016 I supported Donald Trump rather than Jeb Bush. In 2028 I would like President Rand Paul, Vice President Thomas Massie and then have Secretary of War Douglas MacGregor, David Stockman as Fed chairman and RFK Jr. still at HHS.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  • @epebble
    @Old Prude

    Our own eight children* are a mess. And none have procreated.

    Since that seems to be an anomalous data set, would you be able to tell their household incomes? A range is OK.

    He’s a hedge fund millionaire with two highly accomplished children. I don’t know what the lesson of all this is

    An obvious answer seems to be, people who are better off can afford to have (multiple) children nowadays.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Old Prude

    An obvious answer seems to be, people who are better off can afford to have (multiple) children nowadays.

    Not an obvious answer when Mexicans have large families regardless of income.

    More likely answer is that Whites Christians and liberals have filled their children with guilt and confusion to where they are unable to act on their natural instincts.

    I’m not a boomer and I’ve known plenty of Christians and liberals with no children. I wouldn’t describe a single one as being able to think clearly.

    What do you think happens when you raise children to believe that race doesn’t exist and that White people ruined Wakanda? You’re teaching them that they are part of a cursed race.

    The Christian version is no better. Race is just paint color which means evil Whites colonized Africa when it could have become a super amazing Christian Africa America. They just need capitalism and Christianity but slaver Whites ruined it. They were probably in league with Satan.

    • Replies: @epebble
    @John Johnson

    Not an obvious answer when Mexicans have large families regardless of income.

    I was limiting my observation to 'affluent' societies. Europe, East Asia and increasingly, even Latin America, South/South-East Asia. Only Sub-Saharan Africa seems to have a large birthrate nowadays. It is decreasing in most other places. "Number of children in a household is proportional to household income/wealth" may become a (near) universal empiricism.

    Everything you wrote after the first sentence is disproved by the fact that birthrates are even lower in (non-Christian, non-White) East Asia than in the West.

    Replies: @Bardon Kaldian

    , @James B. Shearer
    @John Johnson

    "More likely answer is that Whites Christians and liberals have filled their children with guilt and confusion to where they are unable to act on their natural instincts."

    The natural instinct is to have sexual relations. This no longer automatically leads to children.

  • @Felpudinho
    @Torna atrás


    The Chichijima incident (also known as the Ogasawara incident) occurred in late 1944. Japanese soldiers killed eight American airmen on Chichi Jima, in the Bonin Islands, and cannibalized five of them.

    Nine American pilots escaped from their planes after being shot down flying over Chichijima, a tiny island 700 miles (1,100 km) south of Tokyo, in September 1944. Eight of the airmen, Lloyd Woellhof, Grady York, James “Jimmy” Dye, Glenn Frazier Jr., Marvell “Marve” Mershon, Floyd Hall, Warren Earl Vaughn, and Warren Hindenlang were captured and eventually executed. The ninth, and only one to evade capture, was future U.S. President George H. W. Bush, also a 20-year-old pilot.
     

    Back during Bush's presidency I remember having heard that he had been shot down during WWII, but didn't know anything more than that. I certainly didn't know that he was the lone pilot who managed to evade being captured, and that the other US pilots who were captured were cannibalized; I don't remember H.W. Bush or the media ever mentioning anything at all (beyond being shot down) about it during his presidency.

    Now imagine if "bone spurs" Trump had gone through the same ordeal as Bush went through. Hell, you'd never hear the end of it. Another thing about George H.W. Bush: When Bush went to war during Desert Storm it was over in a few days, and the Oil Sheiks footed the entire bill.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Desert Storm begat our entire involvement in the Muslim world. Bush got us mired in Somalia, where we are still dithering around in today, bombing and droning for no apparent benefit.

    Bush made a hash of the end of the Cold War. Instead of bringing the boys home, he sent them to every fly-blown crap hole on the planet, where they remain to this day.

    • Replies: @deep anonymous
    @Old Prude


    Bush got us mired in Somalia, where we are still dithering around in today, bombing and droning for no apparent benefit.
     
    Actually it's worse than that. Bush and his successors brought the Somalis here in large numbers.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Old Prude

    I would say it goes back farther, O.P. Besides the alliance with Israel for Cold War reasons (some time in there, 1970's, Egypt flipped - or was flipped - from the Soviet "sphere" to the 1st World's sphere), there was the attempt to make peace in Lebanon. This was also in support of Israeli action there.

    A couple of hundred US soldiers, sailors, and (mostly)marines got killed, along with 58 French troops in that Beirut truck bombing 42 years ago in 4 days. After a few months of argument about retaliation between the State and "Defense" depts, President Reagan got the American military out in early '84. (BTW, as parting shots, the USS New Jersey fired nearly 300! 16" shells at targets near Beirut.)


    Bush made a hash of the end of the Cold War. Instead of bringing the boys home, he sent them to every fly-blown crap hole on the planet, where they remain to this day.
     
    Agreed! America had built up tons of goodwill from around the world for defending most of the world against Communism for 40 years. Then, there was to be that "peace dividend" (remember that term?) of lots of taxpayer money saves by NOT having to keep the military all over the world. Both the goodwill and the money have been blown to smithereens.

    It wasn't JUST the Bushes. Clinton had that war going on in the former Yugoslavia in the mid-'90s. I remember thinking "What the hell business of our is this?!" Not only that, we were on the side of the Moslems too! That was more than stupid.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  • @epebble
    @Old Prude

    Our own eight children* are a mess. And none have procreated.

    Since that seems to be an anomalous data set, would you be able to tell their household incomes? A range is OK.

    He’s a hedge fund millionaire with two highly accomplished children. I don’t know what the lesson of all this is

    An obvious answer seems to be, people who are better off can afford to have (multiple) children nowadays.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Old Prude

    I don’t know what my nieces and nephews make, but they all were raised in upper middle class households, so had all the advantages necessary to become upper middle class themselves. Hell, the five of us went from living in a trailer park to prosperity, yet these kids barely scrape by, and seem OK with that.

  • @Old Prude
    @Old Prude

    I meant to say my mother waits it in vain to be a Great Grandmother.

    Also, my stepson is a generation older than my nieces and nephews. It's possible the degradation of society has been so quick as ruin the prospects for the younger generations.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    Zen and the Art of Civilization Maintenance is a multi-generational affair. Unfortunately, there is barely time to register the long term effects of radical changes on the current generation, much less to judge the effects of those changes on their children and grandchildren, though those are surely as pertinent if not more so.

    We have to grasp such evidence as we have.

    my mother waits it in vain to be a Great Grandmother.

    I too could relate some stories. A particularly poignant one is five siblings from a family who more or less practiced category 1), above, in an unbroken chain going back to the Middle Ages, perhaps to ancient antiquity. Between the five siblings, two of them had the 20th century’s responsible ideal of two children each. Those four children are now exiting their fertility years with … zero children of their own. In other words, total family extinction in one generation.

    The reasons for the terminality of each of the various branches of this formerly prolific and unbroken line vary, but in every case but one it comes down to some version of liberal theology: it would have been ecologically irresponsible to procreate, one would rather live as an unencumbered playboy, one married a woman who prioritized post-hippie-ish self-actualization (emphasis on self), one has some sort of incel-ish asexual condition, etc.

    The old family home, from which once sprang generations of yeoman boys and winsome maids, will eventually pass into a stranger’s hands, whose investment will likely prove unfruitful, and then the vines and primeval forest will reclaim the site, leaving a little ruin for the archeology of some alien future.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Almost Missouri

    and then the vines and primeval forest will reclaim the site

    It is not all bad news. Here,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vide9qaVqbs

    is a beautiful story of a (part of) metropolis returning to nature.

    Before Bakken was discovered in North Dakota, there was a plan to turn all the low productivity agricultural lands back to prairie and populate them back with buffaloes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Commons

    Urban planning experts even wrote a philosophical essay titled "The Great Plains: From Dust to Dust" on the project.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  • @deep anonymous
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Attempt generally means forming the specific intent to commit a crime and taking a substantial step in preparation to do so. Here is an explanation:

    Attempt: An Overview of Federal Criminal Law

    In this case federal law applies because the defendant traveled across state lines in committing the offense. Although I disagree with the sentencing judge's rationale, I agree that the defendant's change of heart justified a significant downward departure from the Guidelines.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Although I disagree with the sentencing judge’s rationale, I agree that the defendant’s change of heart justified a significant downward departure from the Guidelines.”

    A reasonable argument to be sure. Although (warning: not a lawyer!) I disagree with things like selective enhanced sentencing To Make An Example or to Send A Message, rather than on the specific individual merits of the individual case, plus I even disagree with plea bargains using the leverage of a harsher sentence if one chooses to go to trial (in essence, casino justice), nevertheless it is the system we have, what we are stuck with for the moment. Besides there is this to consider.

    Like it or not, and no one likes it but here we are… We are at war with these evil motherfuckers, and if the situation were reversed they would show no mercy, ever (James Fields, anyone?). They need to be kicked in the balls hard at every conceivable possible opportunity.

    Whatever else is true, this asshole devised a plan to assassinate a sitting Supreme Court justice because he was likely to rule against the Leftist Agenda. Said asshole then completed 4/5 of his plan. I repeat: he intended to slaughter a United States Supreme Court Justice because the judge was not going to rule according to his pre-determined leftist views.

    A serious judge shoulda done a James Fields on his ass, and three times harder. In war you don’t give your enemies college scholarships and fellowships at think tanks. Not fair at all, but neither was Dresden.

    • Replies: @deep anonymous
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You make really good points. In a sane, just world, James Fields would have received a lot less than a 419-year sentence. I remember getting into arguments on this board about that. I think people are quick to forget about what happened to Reginald Denny. It's a scary thing when you are surrounded by a hostile mob. I no longer remember the details, some claim he deliberately ran over the honker. I still do not think it merits the same punishment as a clean, cold-blooded killing. But I am sick of arguing about it. That dude is going to die in prison, sucks to be him.

    You are right that we are in the incipient stages of war.

    Replies: @Pericles

  • @J.Ross
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It's definitely something to throw in his face. Does he want to lose the mid-terms? Would that make his job easier or harder?

    Replies: @deep anonymous, @YetAnotherAnon

    I for one am appalled and pissed that Trump has done a 180 on US involvement in foreign wars. Same as it ever was, I guess.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @deep anonymous

    "I for one am appalled and pissed that Trump has done a 180 on US involvement in foreign wars."

    We walked away from the Vietnam War and it made no difference to America. We should do the same in the Ukraine and Middle East. This is subjective but our Ukraine involvement is reminding me of the last few years of our Vietnam involvement, when we started losing enthusiasm for that war. A recent 50 billion dollar financial assistance package for the Ukraine got no support in Congress and talk of secondary sanctions on Russia ally China has subsided.

    Merz, Macron, Starmer and a number of other European leaders are increasingly unpopular in their countries and their support for continuing the war against Russia is a factor in their unpopularity. The Czechs just elected a new populist leader who wants to move away from supporting the Ukraine and this may be the beginning of a trend.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @Corvinus
    @deep anonymous

    “I for one am appalled and pissed that Trump has done a 180 on US involvement in foreign wars.”

    You are easily duped. This was totally expected. He has a f—- neoconJew who is calling the shots. Just wear the yamaka.

    “That sounds a bit homophobic of you, oh progressive one.”

    It’s called being based, Snowflake.

    Replies: @deep anonymous

  • @Buzz Mohawk
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I took a first date to a Diane Fossey exhibit. Yeah, that's how romantic I am.

    Some guy I don't know was at the exhibit who worked with her. We chatted a bit. There were photographs of gorillas on the wall, and other stuff I don't remember.

    I then took my date to a jazz bar. (I had met her at the El Chapultepec jazz bar in Denver, which is now gone.) She told me that her father was the engineer who led the development of the wide-body jet, the 747 at Boeing. Joe Sutter. He was the guy who went to Juan Tripp of Pan Am at the Chrysler Building to sell him of the idea of a fat fuselage and get a contract for enough giant jets to support the whole Boeing plan. Her dad was part of the beginning of big jets. In fact he practically invented them.


    Now here's the fun part:

    At the jazz bar, in a basement on Pearl Street, she produced a sheaf of papers with lists of sperm donors. She explained to me that she was considering having a child with high-quality sperm. She pointed to her favorite choice: An Olympic kayaker with a degree from Harvard.

    I did not ask her out again, but I remember the Diane Fossey exhibit.

    People are weird.

    Okay, so, that was about 34 years ago. As I have jokingly written here before, from experience, the "decline," as seen through American women of child-bearing age, has been "long and hard." It's not new. Every fucking subject here is old to me -- and funny.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Achmed E. Newman, @Old Prude

    A Diane Fossey exhibit for a date? Well, I have been taking Mrs. Prude with me on Saturday drives to the transfer station. Yeah. I know how to show a gal a good time.

  • @Old Prude
    @Almost Missouri

    I and my four siblings were raised in a trailer park, apartments and rented houses. All went to college, three with advanced degrees and all married. So far so good. Our own eight children* are a mess. And none have procreated.

    My mother waits in vain to be a grandmother. I am thinking of writing a will to leave all my worldly goods, per capita, to the children of my nieces and nephews. Maybe that will provide incentive. It will at least get the slackers thinking more about making babies.

    *I have no offspring. My excuse is I married a woman fifteen years my senior. She raised one son while a single mother. He’s a hedge fund millionaire with two highly accomplished children. I don’t know what the lesson of all this is, or where we go from here.

    Replies: @Old Prude, @Almost Missouri, @epebble, @Corvinus, @Mike Tre, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    I meant to say my mother waits it in vain to be a Great Grandmother.

    Also, my stepson is a generation older than my nieces and nephews. It’s possible the degradation of society has been so quick as ruin the prospects for the younger generations.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Old Prude

    Zen and the Art of Civilization Maintenance is a multi-generational affair. Unfortunately, there is barely time to register the long term effects of radical changes on the current generation, much less to judge the effects of those changes on their children and grandchildren, though those are surely as pertinent if not more so.

    We have to grasp such evidence as we have.


    my mother waits it in vain to be a Great Grandmother.
     
    I too could relate some stories. A particularly poignant one is five siblings from a family who more or less practiced category 1), above, in an unbroken chain going back to the Middle Ages, perhaps to ancient antiquity. Between the five siblings, two of them had the 20th century's responsible ideal of two children each. Those four children are now exiting their fertility years with ... zero children of their own. In other words, total family extinction in one generation.

    The reasons for the terminality of each of the various branches of this formerly prolific and unbroken line vary, but in every case but one it comes down to some version of liberal theology: it would have been ecologically irresponsible to procreate, one would rather live as an unencumbered playboy, one married a woman who prioritized post-hippie-ish self-actualization (emphasis on self), one has some sort of incel-ish asexual condition, etc.

    The old family home, from which once sprang generations of yeoman boys and winsome maids, will eventually pass into a stranger's hands, whose investment will likely prove unfruitful, and then the vines and primeval forest will reclaim the site, leaving a little ruin for the archeology of some alien future.

    Replies: @epebble

  • @Almost Missouri
    @Hypnotoad666

    I know several (white, Gen-X) women who more or less did this, some with one husband/father-of-her-children, some with multiple. One of the latter said this was her actual plan from the start, but that may have been post hoc rationalization. She was also from a European country with a generous welfare state and non-diverse population, so she didn't have to worry about paying the rent while she procreated and was able to get the father of her final children to marry her and live a kinda normal family life, get a post-secondary degree and a professional job.

    The other multi-maters were American and didn't plan it that way, it just happened to them: basically got pregnant at ~20 with a low-commitment mate. Yet they were young and attractive enough to move on to higher-commitment mates and continuing to procreate. Continued commitment and family life varied. Given the weaker US welfare state, they relied more on their mates and family for material support. They didn't manage to get much, if any, post-secondary education or more than low-paid work.

    It's a little early to say how their kids have all turned out, but the results so far aren't distinguished. No great achievers, but no real disasters either. A couple of early procreators. Some "bare branches". Some TBD.

    These families all involved multiple fathers, and eventual marriage but not to the first father. No mulattoes or other mixed raced crossings. Middle class backgrounds, but in non-"Super Zip" locations: more downwardly mobile geographically.

    Of the white, Gen-X women who did this with one husband+father, AFAIK they were all youthful sweethearts who married early and stayed that way. Some did get post-secondary education, some didn't. Some went on to professional work, some didn't. The kids are generally turning out pretty well. Higher incomes, more marriage, more stability, less dysfunction than the multi-father group.

    All of the above women had 3-5 kids. I would describe them all as above average appearance in their prime, and indeed they've all aged remarkably well despite their high birthrates, possibly because they started breeding in their prime, or maybe just "good genes". Some were churchgoing, some were not. Middle class backgrounds, but none from especially blessed zip codes AFAIK.

    I can think of a bunch of edge cases too, but their patterns are less clear or consistent, so harder to summarize.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    I and my four siblings were raised in a trailer park, apartments and rented houses. All went to college, three with advanced degrees and all married. So far so good. Our own eight children* are a mess. And none have procreated.

    My mother waits in vain to be a grandmother. I am thinking of writing a will to leave all my worldly goods, per capita, to the children of my nieces and nephews. Maybe that will provide incentive. It will at least get the slackers thinking more about making babies.

    *I have no offspring. My excuse is I married a woman fifteen years my senior. She raised one son while a single mother. He’s a hedge fund millionaire with two highly accomplished children. I don’t know what the lesson of all this is, or where we go from here.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Old Prude

    I meant to say my mother waits it in vain to be a Great Grandmother.

    Also, my stepson is a generation older than my nieces and nephews. It's possible the degradation of society has been so quick as ruin the prospects for the younger generations.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Old Prude


    I don’t know what the lesson of all this is, or where we go from here.
     
    As you may surmise, the real point of my comment was to assess what is working and what is not, so as to answer where to go from here. As Gen-X is now exiting the fertility envelope, it's fair to judge the reproductive careers of this latest generation.

    As a society, or culture, or civilization, or whatever one calls it, success would be at a minimum to reproduce itself and to have the capacity to increase itself should it choose to. In terms of blood reproduction this means having on average more than the minimum two kids per woman, which, since fractional cases can't occur in real life, means seeing what is going on with women who have three or more kids.

    One thing I didn't mention previously is that though I started life in mostly black public school, my parents (liberals, lol) eventually figured out this was sub-optimal and sent me to a mostly white haute bourgeoisie high school (if you couldn't already tell from the pretentious way I write). I don't know for sure, but something approaching zero percent of the girls I graduated with from this institution of haute bourgeois liberalism went on to have three or more children, and I estimate the lifetime average fertility rate among my female classmates was more like 1.3 children per woman. So by the minimum standard of success above, haute bourgeois liberalism is a total failure. We can cross that off the list of viable, sustainable societies because it's literally barren. It can only continue to exist by parasitizing young blood to itself from other more viable modes of society. (Which might be why the entire educational establishment of the liberal theocracy is turned to that exact purpose.)

    So which (white) women did have three or more kids? As outlined in my previous comment (which was slightly constrained by Hypnotoad's start-by-age-~20 criterion), they primarily fell into two categories: 1) traditional high school sweethearts who married and reproduced early and often, and 2) girls who got into what used to be called "trouble" and carried on from there. The second category might be described as girls who would like to have been in the first category, but whether through misjudgment, carelessness, wishful thinking, or simply lack of suitable partners, ended up in the second category. The individual cases in the second category were often rather harrowing in person at the time—pregnant, unmarried, and with no ready means of support—even if they eventually managed more or less to make good on their situations. So, numerically both 1) and 2) worked, but for reasons both of mothers' comfort and of children's success, 1) is preferable to 2). This seems to apply whether or not there is a generous welfare "safety net" of support for young mothers.

    Lifting the Hypnotoad criterion to include more cases changes the picture slightly, but not much. Something approaching 100% of the Gen-X women I know of who had 3 or more kids started by age ~25. So it's not strictly necessary that they mate with their high school sweetheart, but reproductive women do tend to form longterm attachment with their children's father by their mid-twenties. Since again something approaching 100% of these women mated with/married a man not too much older than themselves, this means that conditions for affordable family formation must be available to the children's father by his late twenties.

    Although I would describe most of these women as above average in intelligence, they probably attended college at slightly below the national average for women at the time. Among the few who undertook post-college studies, all or almost all did it after their main reproductive years were over. So while intelligence may be mildly positively correlated with middle class white women's reproduction, education seemed uncorrelated or even slightly negatively correlated. And certainly the more advanced education was behind reproduction in priority.

    Obviously, at the present moment, society is configured for approximately the opposite result: longterm attachments are disincentivized, credentialism is rampant, family formation is anti-affordable, communities are atomized, and the sexes are mutually hostilized.

    The upside is that pretty much anything to break this logjam is an improvement.

    , @epebble
    @Old Prude

    Our own eight children* are a mess. And none have procreated.

    Since that seems to be an anomalous data set, would you be able to tell their household incomes? A range is OK.

    He’s a hedge fund millionaire with two highly accomplished children. I don’t know what the lesson of all this is

    An obvious answer seems to be, people who are better off can afford to have (multiple) children nowadays.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Old Prude

    , @Corvinus
    @Old Prude

    I do appreciate your honesty, even if it means exposing uncomfortable truths for you and your family.

    “I and my four siblings were raised in a trailer park, apartments and rented houses. All went to college, three with advanced degrees and all married.”

    So, the result of learned behavior on how to behave in the right ways. Nurture over nature. Now, were one or more of your siblings women? If so, why were they allowed to go to college in the first place? I thought universities are indoctrinational death camps.

    “Our own eight children* are a mess. And none have procreated.”

    So now it seems that genetics are the primary factor here. The cycle of idiocy was only temporarily delayed. Perhaps your nieces and nephews should be encouraged NOT to have their own offspring. Otherwise, the white gene pool is further polluted, especially if they make the catastrophic error of procreating with (gasp) a black person**. Better safe than be sorry. Tell your mom it’s in the best interest of white society that she should not expect to be a great grandmother. Inform her that Oliver Wendell Holmes would approve.

    **The departed (as in he no longer comments here) TheAntiGnostic suffered from that fate. A long time ago he let it skip on his now shuttered blog that his oldest daughter burned some coal. He did not want anything to do with the half breed. Fortunately his wife (a schoolteacher) took it upon herself to help raise the little monster, I mean, child. TAG will deny it, of course, but that’s typical of him.

    “I am thinking of writing a will to leave all my worldly goods, per capita, to the children of my nieces and nephews. Maybe that will provide incentive.”

    Why not become more directly involved by teaching them the “right way to live”? Your strong guiding hand is required here. Harsh discipline is a must. Although, your efforts probably are futile. After all, if they are all a “mess” (whatever that means), it’s in their genes. Can’t fix stupid.

    “It will at least get the slackers thinking more about making babies.”

    How? They lack the predisposition required to raise their children properly. Best to leave them “slack” and die without having kids.

    *I have no offspring. My excuse is I married a woman fifteen years my senior”

    So, YOU made a choice not to have white kids despite the alleged genociding of the white race. Interesting. Chateau Heartiste would be flummoxed. But it’s not too late to spread your seed and meaningfully contribute to the future of white society!

    Duty calls for you to divorce your wife, find a young bride (white, of course), marry her, and churn out at least three little Old Prudes. If not, then it appears you are OK with being a biological dead end. AlmostMissouri weeps.

    , @Mike Tre
    @Old Prude

    " He’s a hedge fund millionaire with two highly accomplished children. I don’t know what the lesson of all this is, or where we go from here. "

    So he's jewish and will likely marry the daughter of a future President?

    Replies: @kaganovitch

    , @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Old Prude

    You can always support pro-White causes. There are pundits out there struggling who are on our side.

    Replies: @Old Prude

  • @Hypnotoad666
    @YetAnotherAnon

    A perfectly rational female life strategy would be to get married and have kids at 20. Have a career (if you want one) at about 30 when they are off to school. Then start doing all that self-actualizing, or whatever, at 40 while you are still young (ish). Perhaps with some grandkids to play with by 50.

    Nobody seems to deliberately go with this plan. But every once in a while you meet someone who backed into it by getting knocked up in High School or something. And it often works out pretty well.

    Replies: @Mark G., @The Germ Theory of Disease, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @epebble, @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus

    “Nobody seems to deliberately go with this plan.”

    Well, black people do it all the time; I can’t count how many black women I’ve known who were grandmothers in their 40s.

    The problem with them is that it is not a deliberate rational life plan, it is simply the result of various pathologies and dumb mistakes which leave a woman still in her prime, raising grandchildren who have neither a father nor a grandfather. And lots of visits to prisons, hospitals, morgues and cemeteries. Maybe it is actually not racism, but simply a replica of typical village life in West Africa circa 1500? Probably, but good luck getting anybody to really admit to that.

    As I keep saying, the issue with blacks is that they are not adapted to modernity. Which may be a strong suit in the long run: after all, there are now 1 billion negroes, who all want to come here, and fewer than 500 million whites, who mostly lack the nous or the moral courage to defend their own territory and bloodlines.

    The thing about modernity is that it is, well, modern: it’s a pretty recent invention, which has warped normative human behavior in countless ways. And although it brings with it incredible new material prosperity, in ev-psych terms it is brand spanking new, and so it comes with all sorts of side effects and externalities which we have not even fully identified yet, much less solved for.

    Meanwhile blacks, with their seemingly primitive behavior “failures”, continue to breed like rabbits, while peak-fertility white women go to college and do “queer theory studies” and then go to Africa to dig wells for negroes. Who will win?

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Hail
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    blacks, with their seemingly primitive behavior “failures”, continue to breed like rabbits, while peak-fertility white women go to college and do “queer theory studies” and then go to Africa to dig wells for negroes. Who will win?
     
    Hey. Come to think of it. Steve Sailer has slackened up on mentioning his World's Most Important Graph lately.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    My very broad brush understanding is that if you live somewhere which is always warm and has fertile soil, you'll evolve differently from people who live somewhere with a single growing season and harsh winters. Under the latter circumstance, things like foresight and inventiveness are selected for.

    "Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise"

    This doesn't apply indefinitely - the Arctic isn't a hotbed of invention. And foresight and inventiveness almost seem to have spread north - the Romans, at a time when the European climate was as warm as it is now, were developing central heating, water supplies and impressive stone buildings which weren't replicated for between 1000 and 1500 years.

  • @Dmon
    @Mr. Anon


    Sending in the military is a new rule, and a direct violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. He may be able to make the case for it if they are there to protect federal buildings and other assets. Then there is the fact that the National Guard ought not to be his to mobilize. It’s supposed to be mobilized at the discretion of the governor, except in wartime. Are we fomally at war with Memphis? And will you be cool with President Newsome mobilizing the Texas National Guard to seize guns in Lubbock?
     
    Trump invoked 10 U.S.C. 12406, which authorizes the President to bring National Guard personnel into Federal duty in the event of Actual or threatened rebellion “against the authority of the Government of the United States”; or When the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States. There is a substantial body of legal writing on this statute, dating back to 1971. It is not at all clear that Trump does not have the power to use the national guard to quell anti-ICE protests in Los Angeles - that's working it's way up through the courts. He probably does not have the power to unilaterally send the National Guard to Chicago or Memphis for normal policing, but that's working up through the courts too. Unlike say Obama or Biden, Trump is very good about complying with court decisions, even the ones that are obviously full of sh!t. Trump just doesn't seem to understand how this whole fascist dictator thing is supposed to work.

    Your hypothetical about a President Newsome using federal forces to seize guns in Lubbock is particularly relevant, because in 1993, President Clinton sent federal forces (the ATF) to seize legally owned guns in Waco (on the completely made up pretext of suspected child abuse). No guns were ever seized, because the federal forces managed to incinerate them, along with all the supposedly abused children. So yeah, Democrat politicians of all stripes are constantly trying to seize guns, and I expect they will continue to do so, and they don't need Trump's precedent because they don't pay any attention to any legal authority, constitutional or otherwise.

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    Your hypothetical about a President Newsome using federal forces to seize guns in Lubbock is particularly relevant, because in 1993, President Clinton sent federal forces (the ATF) to seize legally owned guns in Waco.

    It was essentially G.H.W. Bush’s ATF that carried out the raid on Waco. They were afraid that the incoming Clinton administration was going to fold them into the FBI and eliminate their status as an independent law enforcement agency, so they launched the Waco raid to demonstrate how important they were.

    And – yes – they and the FBI murdered a bunch of people, including women and children.

    Which only goes to show how little difference there is between the two “sides” in our phony Kabuki political system. When it gets down to it, there is only one side.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
    @Mr. Anon


    "It was essentially G.H.W. Bush’s ATF that carried out the raid on Waco."
     
    No, that was Bill Clinton's raid. Bush I did enough bad, without counting Clinton's on his ledger.
  • @Corpse Tooth
    @John Johnson

    Despite the strategic failures from the outset like the Strategic Hamlet Program wherein thoughtless and arrogant CIA/State Department WASPs presumed the intensely tribal Vietnamese would want to live in a fortified village with others not of their tribe. Similar to what the WASPs aka enthusiastic Zionists are doing now in Europe and the United States.

    You'll be happy to know however that even as the KMT opium trade was drying up the Lansky organization -- a very successful Zionist espionage/crime operation -- was provided another opium flow from the Golden Triangle courtesy of the CIA/State Department war in Vietnam.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    My position is more that if we are going to get involved in a war like Vietnam or Afghanistan then we need to do it right and not insult the soldiers that do the fighting. US casualties were down at the end of the Vietnam war and the North was ready for peace talks. They were in fact shocked that the US simply left as the bombing campaigns while cruel were in fact working. The US establishment however had decided to pack up and leave with a “good luck” to anyone who had fought the Communists. Good luck being tortured.

    American foreign policy is often a half-assed worst of both worlds. We half colonize a country and then absorb all of the costs. We don’t take the Roman approach nor do we make new friends.

    Afghanistan in part resulted from the Western belief that all people are interchangeable and just need the right cocktail of democracy and freedom. When that didn’t work our leaders were incapable of problem solving outside of that mindset. They just closed the whole thing down and allowed Afghans to be rounded up by the Taliban.

    Beyond the ethics I don’t think our leaders are mentally capable of managing an occupation. Both Republicans and Democrats smoke from the same “we are all one” crack pipe. Admitting that Afghans may need more than a constitution and some strip malls is too much for them. That has too many implications for domestic policy. Better to shut it down and continue the addiction.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @John Johnson

    "Beyond the ethics I don’t think our leaders are mentally capable of managing an occupation. Both Republicans and Democrats smoke from the same “we are all one” crack pipe."

    Part of this at least, stems from the institutional/educational pipeline which funnels all these lazy vermin straight into the power-lines of the system: the easy-road cowards who desire only the soft life, who want to live in conference rooms and hotels and town cars, making power point presentations and position papers. Who dream of living in a self-righteous Aaron Sorkin hour-long. They follow a cursus honorum which has no trace of real honor in it.

    These kids start out in high school, already indoctrinated, already marinated in the correct kind of unquestioned acceptable twaddle. Then they go off to college and do a government or "studies" degree, work on the school paper or volunteer for insane "social justice" orgs and go to all the right protests, and vilify all the right nazis, and never once question their belief system. And never learn to speak a conceptual language other than their own ideological pidgin.

    Then after they graduate after eight years (HS/college) of intellectually treading water, they either go to law school or more "studies" grad school, or else are slotted into an NGO or an internship at a think tank or something similar. To "change the world", into what, they cannot say. Not once do they ever experience the actual world which they are committed to "change".

    There's an old Irish saying, Never trust a man who has never been punched in the face. With these clowns I'd settle for a 'dude' (viz not a man) who once overheard some sharp words spoken in his general direction.

    The blind leading the lazy leading the cowardly leading the stupid. No wonder we always get led into the ditch.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @John Johnson

    , @Almost Missouri
    @John Johnson


    American foreign policy is often a half-assed worst of both worlds. We half colonize a country and then absorb all of the costs. We don’t take the Roman approach nor do we make new friends.

    Afghanistan in part resulted from the Western belief that all people are interchangeable and just need the right cocktail of democracy and freedom. When that didn’t work our leaders were incapable of problem solving outside of that mindset. They just closed the whole thing down and allowed Afghans to be rounded up by the Taliban.

    Beyond the ethics I don’t think our leaders are mentally capable of managing an occupation. Both Republicans and Democrats smoke from the same “we are all one” crack pipe. Admitting that Afghans may need more than a constitution and some strip malls is too much for them. That has too many implications for domestic policy. Better to shut it down and continue the addiction.
     
    This was good.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Hypnotoad666
    @John Johnson


    American foreign policy is often a half-assed worst of both worlds.
     
    Yep. The old British Empire could hold down 10 million wogs with a Regiment or two and some well-placed bribes to local potentates. The American way of doing things somehow requires gazillions of dollars to defense contractors and endless "nation building" to teach Democracy and LGBT values, etc.
  • @Old Prude
    @Brutusale

    Disagree. I don’t need to go into the details, but start with tight, black leather…

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

    If that is what informs your musical taste, you might like Samantha Fish.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Mr. Anon

    It surely informed my musical taste when I was an adolescent. If your musical taste is Rock and Roll, then you have adolescent taste. That’s who most all folks in the HOF were singing for.

  • @John Johnson
    @Mark G.


    Our pro-Russian bloggers made similar proclamations when the invasion started.
     
    Gold was eighteen hundred dollars an ounce when the invasion started and is now thirty eight hundred dollars an ounce, meaning the value of the dollar has dropped by over half compared to gold.

    They did not claim that gold would gain against the dollar and other currencies. They said the dollar would be dropped by the world as an exchange currency thanks to Putin's invasion and 4d chess with his oil sales. This was supposed to cause devaluation of the dollar against other currencies as in paper not gold. There were many "end of the dollar" blog posts here.

    It didn't happen and the Euro vs Dollar is back to where it was in 2021.
    https://www.exchange-rates.org/converter/usd-eur

    Maybe next year. Keep those "end of the dollar" t-shirts ready.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Almost Missouri

    the Euro vs Dollar is back to where it was in 2021

    This is a spurious new third element in the discussion of the dollar vs. gold. Like the price of the dollar, the price of the euro heavily depends on the actions of the relevant central bank—the ECB for the euro. And the ECB usually does whatever the Fed does, so the price of the euro usually tracks the price of the dollar within a few percent, as it has been and likely will continue to do.

    Gold, on the other hand, is a hard, global benchmark, outside the control of central banks. (The price of gold can reflect non-financial events, such as the capture of the Aztec Empire or the invention of steam-powered mining, but since neither of those things happened since 2022, they’re not relevant for the recent price.) Gold shows more clearly where the dollar stands globally.

    The Biden regime’s decision to steal Russia’s money and kick Russia out of SWIFT only weakly had the intended effect of making life hard in Russia, it had no effect at all in making Putin unpopular—somewhat the reverse actually. The big effect it did have was putting every national currency investor on notice that your deposits are not safe in the Western banking system. As a result there has been a massive capital flight out of the dollar and euro and into gold or other investments, as any idiot could have foreseen, but the fools who run things from Washington and Brussels are not just any idiots, they are very special idiots, groomed from birth with particular taboos, trained into advanced superstition, and then released in perfect blindness into the halls of power: “Russia HaS aLrEadY LosT!!1! We wIlL dEfeAt Putin!1!!” Smash cut to next scene: “how did our currency lose half its power…”

    It’s not just the big dogs like the China and Russia who now decline to contribute their surpluses to the Fed-ECB Ponzi scheme, even nominal allies such as the Gulf States started pulling out. Biden belatedly tried sucking up to Mohammed bin Salman to get Saudi funding back, but after getting lambasted by Biden for killing that defected intel asset (“journalist”), the Prince wasn’t in the mood to heed Biden’s slobbering entreaties. There is a reason that Trump made his Grand Gulf Tour a priority at the start of his administration. One can complain about “unseemly baksheesh” or whatever, but the US needs to keep those guys on side to prevent the dollar slipping further. So far, it seems to have worked.

    Keep those “end of the dollar” t-shirts ready.

    No one here is saying that. But the anti-Russia hawks were saying that Biden’s firm response was supposed to collapse Russia and depose Putin, when their actions actually crippled the dollar, solidified the anti-US bloc, and made Putin more popular than ever. It is the “end of Russia” and “end of Putin” t-shirts you should be mocking.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Almost Missouri


    the Euro vs Dollar is back to where it was in 2021

     

    This is a spurious new third element in the discussion of the dollar vs. gold.

    It's not spurious at all and our "dollar is doomed" bloggers did not make proclamations of the dollar losing against gold. They made it clear that the dollar will drop against everything.

    Well that did not happen.

    You can also point out that the Euro has lost against gold and so has the Ruble.

    There has been a global run to gold.

    The Biden regime’s decision to steal Russia’s money and kick Russia out of SWIFT only weakly had the intended effect of making life hard in Russia, it had no effect at all in making Putin unpopular—somewhat the reverse actually.

    Well provide a source on that.

    Russians are less likely to support the war when compared to a few years ago
    https://natyliesbaldwin.com/2025/06/poll-record-number-of-russians-want-the-war-to-end-putin-remains-popular/

    I really doubt the Russians that are waiting in gas lines are more enthused with Putin.

    They also have record inflation for basic foodstuff and their gas prices have gone up. The usual alt-right bloggers who said the attacks on Russian refineries will do nothing were wrong. Gas has gone up and there are diesel shortages at the front.

    As a result there has been a massive capital flight out of the dollar and euro and into gold or other investments, as any idiot could have foreseen

    You'd have provide numbers and show that this was not true for other currencies.

    Go ahead and find a currency basket index that doesn't show a loss against gold.

    But the anti-Russia hawks were saying that Biden’s firm response was supposed to collapse Russia and depose Putin, when their actions actually crippled the dollar, solidified the anti-US bloc, and made Putin more popular than ever. It is the “end of Russia” and “end of Putin” t-shirts you should be mocking.

    How is the dollar crippled? As with the "dollar is doomed" bloggers you aren't looking at data. The dollar and the ruble are about the same as they were in 2020. US profit from Putin's invasion however has increased while Russian oil refineries are bombed weekly. It is Russia that is in a tenuous position from this stupid war. The US has all kinds of financial problems but Putin's invasion is not one of them and his 4d chess has led to a record level of LNG exports for his Yankee enemies. Well played dwarf. Record profits for the US while Russia will have tens of billions worth of oil refineries to rebuild when this is over.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  • @John Johnson
    @WJ

    We won that one also – Petraeus bribed our enemies in 2007 – 2008.

    However, we created a country friendly to Iran

    It was long discussed and accepted that a democratic Iraq could go the path of Iran. That has long been the price of democracy in the Middle East.

    But they should not be described as a friend to Iran. They sometimes side with the US and sometimes with Iran which is how it should be. It shows independence.

    Iraq is a multi-party democracy and is doing quite well. I honestly envy their variety of parties.

    I realize a lot of cynics expected the place to break up into various Muslim factions. Well it didn't happen and US military goals were achieved.

    However, a war being successful and military goals being achieved are different things. In Vietnam, almost all military goals sought after , were achieved. We never lost a battle. Same in Afghanistan.

    South Vietnam completely collapsed so no that would not be the case. The US stated a military goal of stopping the spread of Communism which obviously did not happen.

    The Iraq war was a military success.

    The Vietnamese war was a military failure.

    Replies: @Currdog73, @Wj, @Corpse Tooth

    Call the Iraq war a dog or call it a cat. Sane people would call it a fiasco and a failure and knowing what we know now would never support it. It was painful to watch my fellow Americans fall for the irrational propaganda of 2002 and early 2003, all culminating in Colin Powell at the UN holding a vial of white powder and displaying pictures of a a balsa wood drone that Saddam was going to deploy against us.

    A lot of people got suckered into the post 9 11 patriotism play.

    • Agree: Currdog73, epebble, Old Prude, res
    • Replies: @epebble
    @Wj

    irrational propaganda of 2002

    Aluminum tubes = Missiles, Yellowcake (mineral) = Atom bomb. People who criticize Trump for being an AH should realize how destructive G.W. Bush was to the country and the world. We have had AH presidents before; Nixon and Clinton recently. None as destructive as GWB.

    Replies: @Curle

    , @John Johnson
    @Wj

    Sane people would call it a fiasco and a failure and knowing what we know now would never support it. It was painful to watch my fellow Americans fall for the irrational propaganda of 2002 and early 2003, all culminating in Colin Powell at the UN holding a vial of white powder and displaying pictures of a a balsa wood drone that Saddam was going to deploy against us.

    You're also incorrectly conflating the cost of the war with military goals.

    Military goals were set and achieved. I'm sorry but that does mean it was a success even if it was costly.

    Depicting the human or financial cost doesn't change those goals and their achievement.

    You can state the war was a success without taking pride in the outcome or saying it was worth the cost.

    A war can be regrettable and still a military success.

    The Russian war with Chechnya is a good example. It was a very costly war where a lot of people died and there was a lot of questioning if it was worth it.

    But it was a success. Chechnya is not an independent nation. Calling Putin immoral or the war a waste of lives doesn't change the fact that Russia achieved its primary goal which was to stop the rebellion.

  • @Mr. Anon
    @Old Prude

    If that is what informs your musical taste, you might like Samantha Fish.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    It surely informed my musical taste when I was an adolescent. If your musical taste is Rock and Roll, then you have adolescent taste. That’s who most all folks in the HOF were singing for.

  • @John Johnson
    @WJ

    We won that one also – Petraeus bribed our enemies in 2007 – 2008.

    However, we created a country friendly to Iran

    It was long discussed and accepted that a democratic Iraq could go the path of Iran. That has long been the price of democracy in the Middle East.

    But they should not be described as a friend to Iran. They sometimes side with the US and sometimes with Iran which is how it should be. It shows independence.

    Iraq is a multi-party democracy and is doing quite well. I honestly envy their variety of parties.

    I realize a lot of cynics expected the place to break up into various Muslim factions. Well it didn't happen and US military goals were achieved.

    However, a war being successful and military goals being achieved are different things. In Vietnam, almost all military goals sought after , were achieved. We never lost a battle. Same in Afghanistan.

    South Vietnam completely collapsed so no that would not be the case. The US stated a military goal of stopping the spread of Communism which obviously did not happen.

    The Iraq war was a military success.

    The Vietnamese war was a military failure.

    Replies: @Currdog73, @Wj, @Corpse Tooth

    The Vietnamese war was a political failure. Stop dissing the veterans it was the fucking politicians who screwed the pooch not the grunts.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk, Old Prude
  • @Achmed E. Newman
    @John Johnson


    I’ve known secular liberal women homosexuals that said they hated being attracted to not just men but assholes.
     
    FIFY. No charge.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Tee hee

  • @Curle
    @Mark G.


    I am not saving for retirement
     
    News alert, energy levels decline substantially after age 64. The average person requires more sleep and a forty hour work week becomes more and more taxing. You expecting to beat that trend?

    Replies: @Mark G., @Sam Hildebrand, @kaganovitch

    News alert, energy levels decline substantially after age 64. The average person requires more sleep and a forty hour work week becomes more and more taxing. You expecting to beat that trend?

    Dude, he works at a Govt. job.

    • LOL: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @kaganovitch

    "Govt. job"

    Accounting is not a mentally easy job whether it is in the government or private sector. I went to night school after work for several years to get a degree in it and that was not easy either. I stayed up late a lot of nights studying for tests. After I started in my job, I often worked fifteen to twenty hours of overtime a week, never called in sick and donated my vacation leave to seriously ill coworkers whose leave had run out. This caused the people I worked with to make jokes about how I lived in the office. I take things somewhat easier now that I am nearing seventy but still work.

  • @John Johnson
    @WJ

    The Iraq war made the US no more safe and secure. It provided the Iranians another ally, though at this time, the level of their cooperation appears limited. There were no WMDSs. There was no threat from a Saddam ruled Iraq so by those standards it was catastrophic failure.

    Another poster that is conflating justifications for the war with military goals.

    Stating that the war was a success is not an endorsement of the war or its justifications.

    The military goals were achieved. That is separate from whether or not you think the price was worth it.

    I can point out all the innocent people that were killed in the Chechen war but that doesn't change the fact that it was a success by the Russian government. Chechnya was not allowed to leave. A successful war.

    Replies: @WJ, @Old Prude

    “The military goals were achieved”. There-in lies the failure of the entire bloody expensive mess; Like Afghanistan, the military goals were achieved in three weeks. At that point, the U.S. military should have packed up and gone home, having achieved the most important POLICY goal: FAFO.

    Contrary to what the mid-wit Colin Powell said, if we broke it, we don’t own it. They do. F around and we’ll be back to break it harder and faster – get it?

    • Agree: MEH 0910
  • @John Johnson
    @J.Ross

    Fixing the economy and restoring manufacturing and not going on foreign misdaventures and acknowledging reality (discussing fent) are ideas. You can disagree with them, you can argue they won’t work out, but you can’t pretend they’re not major changes of course.

    I said Iraq was costly but not a failure and you somehow jumped to manufacturing.

    The conservatives without ideas are the Democrats in costume, like Romney and Ryan, who are now without a way back from exile.

    I wouldn't describe Republicans or Democrats as having ideas. Both seem stuck in their own intellectual voids. But the Democrats want to ban AR-15s and the GOP doesn't have a valid counter-strategy. Conservatives can see that the culture is in decline but lack solutions. This is in part from being hamstrung from their belief that the government shouldn't be used to solve social problems. They also rarely criticize Hollywood. I live in Trump country and my neighbors go to all these garbage movies. They pay full price for a movie that mocks Christianity and traditional values. Movies that depict life as a pointless exercise where you might as well take your blood revenge over some slight.

    Nobody ever believed that and you yourself do not believe it now. We killed thousands of innocent people to hand a former ally over to Iran and al-Qaeda, losing billions of dollars in the process.

    That would be questioning if the Iraq war was worth it the price. A very valid question.

    But the goals of the war were achieved. You can't simply decree a war to be a failure because you believe it was too costly or that too many innocent people were killed.

    The Russian war with Chechnya was costly and I would describe it as a brutal waste of lives and resources. But I'm not going to deny it was a success. Chechnya is not independent of Russia. Putin ordered a war to keep the Chechens from having autonomy and that was achieved. Ironically he later decided that a war was required for DPR/LPR autonomy.....that he later rescinded and added them as vanilla territory.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @YetAnotherAnon, @Old Prude, @WJ, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    The Iraq war made the US no more safe and secure. It provided the Iranians another ally, though at this time, the level of their cooperation appears limited. There were no WMDSs. There was no threat from a Saddam ruled Iraq so by those standards it was catastrophic failure.

    If the US had never invaded, the West could have worked with Saddam or we could have worked with the subversives trying to overthrow him.

    2 trillion US tax dollars, 5000 dead and many more wounded, physically and psychologically, hundreds of thousands if Iraqis slaughtered- if this is winning/a success, I would certainly hate to see failure.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @WJ

    The Iraq war made the US no more safe and secure. It provided the Iranians another ally, though at this time, the level of their cooperation appears limited. There were no WMDSs. There was no threat from a Saddam ruled Iraq so by those standards it was catastrophic failure.

    Another poster that is conflating justifications for the war with military goals.

    Stating that the war was a success is not an endorsement of the war or its justifications.

    The military goals were achieved. That is separate from whether or not you think the price was worth it.

    I can point out all the innocent people that were killed in the Chechen war but that doesn't change the fact that it was a success by the Russian government. Chechnya was not allowed to leave. A successful war.

    Replies: @WJ, @Old Prude

  • @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Mark G.

    "The Republican party has to take a middle road where it tries to appeal to working class Whites without alienating too many middle class Whites. I am not so sure filling your convention with rappers, pro wrestlers, porn actresses or insult comics is a really good idea."

    The Republican party was dying in the ICU with all sorts of tubes stuck into it, prepared to journey to Hell still mumbling the same patently false Jeb Bush platitudes and obvious nonsense. Donald Trump single-handedly brought the party's chances back to life simply by openly proclaiming approximately 15% of the actual truth, more truth than anybody had heard in public life for, well, generations.

    Trump does not need rappers and pro wrestlers to reach out to anybody. He would reach out firmly to all white classes and categories, simply by telling the full unvarnished truth about everything, thus cementing his own lame-duck position and also prepping the ground for a successor who is hopefully someone other than Vance.

    The real truth, especially the parts about immigrants, negroes and Jews, is pretty painful, and the Jews might even do another Charlie Kirk on him but it's a calculated risk. People really need and want someone in DC to tell them the whole entire truth, and start to act in accordance with it. Problem is that Trump personally is so unintellectual, clownish and self-absorbed, he is incapable of uncovering the whole truth on his own, someone in his circle is going to have to actually debrief him on what the truth is. That would be a funny meeting to overhear, but only spies in Tel Aviv will be listening in.

    Replies: @Mark G., @Old Prude

    Trump is getting better at remembering what Steven Miller told him five minutes ago. This time, too, he has Miller and others at the microphone to speak cogently about the truth. It won’t get any better than this.

    It is truly remarkable people here are bitching about Trump after four years of Biden crapping his pants in public in front of the world. Trump makes America look bad? Puleeze…

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Old Prude

    Thank you, Old Prude. I agree with you about Joan Jett and leather pants too, but, at this point, Trump is more important to me.

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Old Prude


    Trump is getting better at remembering what Steven Miller told him five minutes ago.
     
    Perhaps. He doesn't have Javanka getting in the way anymore.

    But he is even better at remembering what Miriam Adelson told him the day before.
    , @Corvinus
    @Old Prude

    “Trump is getting better at remembering what Steven Miller told him five minutes ago.”

    So you mean he is taking his orders well from Israel. I thought the bane of your white existence are Jews.

    “This time, too, he has Miller and others at the microphone to speak cogently about the truth.”

    What “truth”?

    “It is truly remarkable people here are bitching about Trump”

    You are an easy mark. Everything he does is transactional.

    “Trump makes America look bad? Puleeze…”

    This is your confirmation bias on warp speed. I’m not surprised.

    Replies: @Curle

  • @Brutusale
    @Curle

    If Joan Jett is HOF worthy, pretty much everyone who ever picked up a guitar is.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    Disagree. I don’t need to go into the details, but start with tight, black leather…

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    @Old Prude

    If that is what informs your musical taste, you might like Samantha Fish.

    Replies: @Old Prude

  • @Curle
    @Currdog73

    Hall of Fame worthy according to Mike Tre.

    Replies: @Brutusale, @Mike Tre

    If Joan Jett is HOF worthy, pretty much everyone who ever picked up a guitar is.

    • Disagree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Brutusale

    Disagree. I don’t need to go into the details, but start with tight, black leather…

    Replies: @Mr. Anon

  • @John Johnson
    @J.Ross

    So you aren't able to explain yourself or mainstream conservatives.

    No worries, that is the norm at the moment.

    Just stick on a red hat and yell something about socialists and the gay agenda.

    Maybe Camacho will come up with some actual ideas.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Your mumbling that an administration that gave a complete 180° on decades of orthodoxy about immigration and tarriffs and so on lacks news ideas is of a piece with Mr Anon’s mumbling that the guy who stood up and shouted “Fight! Fight! Fight!” lacks charisma.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @J.Ross

    Your mumbling that an administration that gave a complete 180° on decades of orthodoxy about immigration and tarriffs and so on lacks news ideas is of a piece with Mr Anon’s mumbling that the guy who stood up and shouted “Fight! Fight! Fight!” lacks charisma.

    Once again you have a hard time with nuanced opinion.

    I've said many times that Trump will be better on immigration.

    That doesn't mean I have to cheer his tax cuts for the wealthy, Israel servitude or idiotic tariffs.

    His fans also massively exaggerate his policies.

    He gave huge exemptions to illegals in agriculture and hospitality.

    Massive sections of the border are still wide open. Remember the wall? What happened to that?

    I will judge his policies based on data and not red hat cult feelies.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Achmed E. Newman, @epebble

  • @Mr. Anon
    @Mark G.


    Voters now pick charisma over competence.
     
    That's true. But is what Trump has "charisma"? If that's charisma, I guess I don't know what the word means. Or, rather, if people think that he is charismatic, then I don't understand those people.

    I guess I have to agree with what John Derbyshire said (I think he was the one who said it) - that despite his deep conservative leanings, he still identifies culturally with liberals. Or least one could say that twenty years ago. Now............I despise elite liberal sentiment with it's phony land-acknowledgements and its caving into the alphabet agenda, and etc.. But I also despise the lumpen-MAGA crowd with their Trump flags and military-worship and the like. What I can say about the latter is that at least they are willing to leave me alone, which is something that the former will not do. And I guess that's enough.

    But when the President talks about hosting MMA fights in the Rose garden and accepts jumbo jets as presents from middle-eastern potentates................that too is "clown world".

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Old Prude

    But is what Trump has “charisma”? If that’s charisma, I guess I don’t know what the word means. [e.a.]

    Your guess would be the way to bet.

    But when the President talks about hosting MMA fights in the Rose garden and accepts jumbo jets as presents from middle-eastern potentates…………….that too is “clown world”.

    But it’s the fun kind of “owning the libs” clown world. Those “libs”, especially the Dem-voting, upper-middle-class NPR-tote-bag crowd (and its aspirants), are aghast at both the “toxic masculinity” of MMA, and the garish golden “Opulence, I has it” Trump aesthetic. Trump making them seethe on a taste/class level is hilarious.

    They couldn’t stop Trump from being president again, and he’s constantly in their face on multiple agita-causing levels. “Not only is he a fascist, he’s a fascist with bad, low-brow taste! The Euro-sophisticates are laughing at us! Noooooo!” It’s the darkest timeline for Trump haters. 🙂

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Jenner Ickham Errican

    But it’s the fun kind of “owning the libs” clown world. Those “libs”, especially the Dem-voting, upper-middle-class NPR-tote-bag crowd (and its aspirants), are aghast at both the “toxic masculinity” of MMA, and the garish golden “Opulence, I has it” Trump aesthetic. Trump making them seethe on a taste/class level is hilarious.

    Do you own any stocks? Just curious.

    I dislike the NPR tote bag crowd as much as anyone but I also wouldn't light my balls on fire just to make them feel uncomfortable.

    Trump is a real threat to the economy.

    This isn't like last time where he stuck to pretty middle Republican policy.

    He has surrounded himself with yes-men and is on record complaining that his previous staff pushed back too hard. He said that Hitler's generals would not have questioned him when in reality the two sides argued all the time. Hitler would have most likely won the Eastern front if he followed the plan of his generals.

    Trump is no Hitler or Stalin. He is not a strategist and has surrounded himself with ass kissers. The Secretary of Defense was a Fox News host. This is not good.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Jenner Ickham Errican

  • @John Johnson
    @J.Ross

    Fixing the economy and restoring manufacturing and not going on foreign misdaventures and acknowledging reality (discussing fent) are ideas. You can disagree with them, you can argue they won’t work out, but you can’t pretend they’re not major changes of course.

    I said Iraq was costly but not a failure and you somehow jumped to manufacturing.

    The conservatives without ideas are the Democrats in costume, like Romney and Ryan, who are now without a way back from exile.

    I wouldn't describe Republicans or Democrats as having ideas. Both seem stuck in their own intellectual voids. But the Democrats want to ban AR-15s and the GOP doesn't have a valid counter-strategy. Conservatives can see that the culture is in decline but lack solutions. This is in part from being hamstrung from their belief that the government shouldn't be used to solve social problems. They also rarely criticize Hollywood. I live in Trump country and my neighbors go to all these garbage movies. They pay full price for a movie that mocks Christianity and traditional values. Movies that depict life as a pointless exercise where you might as well take your blood revenge over some slight.

    Nobody ever believed that and you yourself do not believe it now. We killed thousands of innocent people to hand a former ally over to Iran and al-Qaeda, losing billions of dollars in the process.

    That would be questioning if the Iraq war was worth it the price. A very valid question.

    But the goals of the war were achieved. You can't simply decree a war to be a failure because you believe it was too costly or that too many innocent people were killed.

    The Russian war with Chechnya was costly and I would describe it as a brutal waste of lives and resources. But I'm not going to deny it was a success. Chechnya is not independent of Russia. Putin ordered a war to keep the Chechens from having autonomy and that was achieved. Ironically he later decided that a war was required for DPR/LPR autonomy.....that he later rescinded and added them as vanilla territory.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @YetAnotherAnon, @Old Prude, @WJ, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    Banning ARs. Now there is a serious policy proposal that will fix what’s wrong with society. No more stabbings, Saturday night shoot-outs or driving SUVs into a parade of grannnies. You have the best ideas JJ.

    Immigration moratorium, deporting scofflaws, ending meddling in other countries’ affairs. That’s the core of MAGA.

    And, do tell, what were these “war aims” in Iraq of which you speak? Was W right after all? Mission Accomplished?

    [Honestly, JJ, that kind of “Iraq was a success” comment almost puts you in the same league as Corvina. You don’t want that. Never go full retard…]

    • Agree: Currdog73
  • @John Johnson
    @J.Ross

    mentally disturbed, decorated Marine veterans of our Mesopotamian misadventure, the Hollywood image of our society’s greatest peril. Frankly, this proves nothing, a certain amount of this is baked in to war (especially an unnecessary war which ends in failure)

    They were Iraq war veterans and that war was a success. I'd in fact rather take the current democracy of Iraq than the US. A costly war but not a failure.

    Afghanistan was definitely a failure.

    The only interesting thing here is how the dinosaur media will react, demonstrating change (actually mention much more frequent crime) or plunging back into the Biden era playbook (nonstop coverage of freak events to confect an image of frequency).

    They'll use them to make the case for banning ARs with the implication that our veterans can crack and go on killing sprees. Which two did in the last week. An unfortunate reality. The Mormon psycho crashed his MAGA looking truck into the church and started shooting congregants. Sorry but not a good look and does not help the Con Inc case.

    More states will ban them and conservatives will put their thumbs in their butts.

    It doesn't matter if you think the bans are constitutional or if they will do anything. These types of killing sprees play to the mainstream and conservatives don't have any solutions to our declining culture. America is going the way of California and conservatives lack ideas.

    Replies: @J.Ross

    Fixing the economy and restoring manufacturing and not going on foreign misdaventures and acknowledging reality (discussing fent) are ideas. You can disagree with them, you can argue they won’t work out, but you can’t pretend they’re not major changes of course. The conservatives without ideas are the Democrats in costume, like Romney and Ryan, who are now without a way back from exile.
    Iraq was a success
    Nobody ever believed that and you yourself do not believe it now. We killed thousands of innocent people to hand a former ally over to Iran and al-Qaeda, losing billions of dollars in the process.

    • Thanks: kaganovitch
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @J.Ross

    Fixing the economy and restoring manufacturing and not going on foreign misdaventures and acknowledging reality (discussing fent) are ideas. You can disagree with them, you can argue they won’t work out, but you can’t pretend they’re not major changes of course.

    I said Iraq was costly but not a failure and you somehow jumped to manufacturing.

    The conservatives without ideas are the Democrats in costume, like Romney and Ryan, who are now without a way back from exile.

    I wouldn't describe Republicans or Democrats as having ideas. Both seem stuck in their own intellectual voids. But the Democrats want to ban AR-15s and the GOP doesn't have a valid counter-strategy. Conservatives can see that the culture is in decline but lack solutions. This is in part from being hamstrung from their belief that the government shouldn't be used to solve social problems. They also rarely criticize Hollywood. I live in Trump country and my neighbors go to all these garbage movies. They pay full price for a movie that mocks Christianity and traditional values. Movies that depict life as a pointless exercise where you might as well take your blood revenge over some slight.

    Nobody ever believed that and you yourself do not believe it now. We killed thousands of innocent people to hand a former ally over to Iran and al-Qaeda, losing billions of dollars in the process.

    That would be questioning if the Iraq war was worth it the price. A very valid question.

    But the goals of the war were achieved. You can't simply decree a war to be a failure because you believe it was too costly or that too many innocent people were killed.

    The Russian war with Chechnya was costly and I would describe it as a brutal waste of lives and resources. But I'm not going to deny it was a success. Chechnya is not independent of Russia. Putin ordered a war to keep the Chechens from having autonomy and that was achieved. Ironically he later decided that a war was required for DPR/LPR autonomy.....that he later rescinded and added them as vanilla territory.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @YetAnotherAnon, @Old Prude, @WJ, @Jenner Ickham Errican

    , @Almost Missouri
    @J.Ross


    We killed thousands of innocent people to hand a former ally over to Iran and al-Qaeda, losing billions of dollars in the process.
     
    Israel got an oil corridor out of it, so there's that.

    https://youtu.be/_HVGLCRp3I8?si=kWhwWeb5ZeN8ymBO&t=6400

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  • @Mr. Anon
    @Mark G.


    Voters now pick charisma over competence.
     
    That's true. But is what Trump has "charisma"? If that's charisma, I guess I don't know what the word means. Or, rather, if people think that he is charismatic, then I don't understand those people.

    I guess I have to agree with what John Derbyshire said (I think he was the one who said it) - that despite his deep conservative leanings, he still identifies culturally with liberals. Or least one could say that twenty years ago. Now............I despise elite liberal sentiment with it's phony land-acknowledgements and its caving into the alphabet agenda, and etc.. But I also despise the lumpen-MAGA crowd with their Trump flags and military-worship and the like. What I can say about the latter is that at least they are willing to leave me alone, which is something that the former will not do. And I guess that's enough.

    But when the President talks about hosting MMA fights in the Rose garden and accepts jumbo jets as presents from middle-eastern potentates................that too is "clown world".

    Replies: @kaganovitch, @Jenner Ickham Errican, @Old Prude

    I met Trump in person. He has charisma and a comfortable ease with people, and a sharp sense of humor.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Old Prude

    "He has charisma and a comfortable ease with people"

    My niece did room service at an expensive downtown Indianapolis hotel and said almost all the politicians she met were friendly, even Hillary Clinton. This was largely true of other celebrities too, like Rush Limbaugh who gave her a big tip, or Eric Clapton and Elton John. When she knocked on their doors, they usually opened their own doors too. The one exception was Paul McCartney, who seemed to have a layer of security around him. Being an ex-Beatle is dangerous since John got shot and George got stabbed.

    Replies: @Currdog73

    , @Mr. Anon
    @Old Prude


    I met Trump in person. He has charisma and a comfortable ease with people, and a sharp sense of humor.
     
    If so, it doesn't come across on TV, where he only seems to be an abrasive nincompoop, who says the first idiot thing that pops into his mind.

    He's also going senile, not has fast as droolin' Joe Biden did, but it's still noticeable. He tends to ramble a lot more now than he did before.
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  • @Same old same old
    @Etruscan Film Star


    President Trump has set in motion a benign cycle. The toxic cloud of woke orthodoxy is being dissipated, even if not as fast as we’d like.
     
    What he has done is set a very clear precedent for totalitarian behavior from the presidency, and rubber-stamped it with the help of the supreme court, which will be used by President Newsom in 2-4 years to institute the most "woke" regime in American history.

    Beside, Trump is entirely "woke" - just from a different angle.

    Replies: @Etruscan Film Star

    What he has done is set a very clear precedent for totalitarian behavior from the presidency, and rubber-stamped it with the help of the supreme court, which will be used by President Newsom in 2-4 years to institute the most “woke” regime in American history.

    That’s a possibility, but far from the only one. It’s just as likely the hard left would in turn do the nasty on their opponents if Trump carried on the RINO tradition of speaking loudly and carrying a toothpick. The woke faction has dug its claws so deeply into the Republic that it’s hard to see how Trump could do anything effective without running a risk of setting dangerous precedents.

    I understand your concern and share it to some extent, but don’t want to see him put into a position of being damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.

    Since 1865 the supposedly “United” States has been a Hotel California where a state or group of states can check out any time they like but they can never leave. It sort of worked for a while thanks to patriotism (often war-generated) and periods of prosperity for the majority of citizens. But today it isn’t a country divided; it’s not a country at all. Instead two or more countries occupy the same geography, which history tells us should be frightening.

    The best outcome would be a peaceful separation — sure, very difficult to pull off, but the alternatives will be far worse.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  • anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:

    Kevin Barrett’s smug dismissal of Trump as a ‘clown’ is not any more helpful than his recurring smug lampooning of Christian belief themes, like Barrett’s recent joking about Christians and ‘rapture’

    Sure there are funny buffoonish things in Trump-world, comic fodder for X tweets, but Trump is not ‘crashing and burning’

    Trump’s 2nd term has had hugely important events quite changing the USA and the world, and involving very serious elements of usage of power which Trump’s team continues to hold

    Before getting into critique of Trump’s policies on war / middle east / Ukraine-Russia, one can cite with Trump:

    – a historic 2 million deportations already (!), 400k direct, 1.6 million self-deporting … the beginnings of relief for USA housing prices, and ‘normalising’ the expulsion practices which Europe will follow a bit later
    – calling out the ‘climate change’ and ‘green’ bullshite, getting energy production back on track
    – demolishing much of the woke / DEI / sexual dysphoria inanities that were wrecking normal society
    – economic re-structuring of America being attempted, with a sense of pragmatic ‘options on the table

    Sure there is goofy stuff with Trump, and significant arguments about evil with Israel, Iran etc … and good questions as to whether American lower classes’ economic hardship will be relieved … but dismissing Trump as a ‘clown’ and claiming he is ‘crashing’ is neither genuinely factual nor productive discussion

    • Thanks: Old Prude
    • Replies: @ganainm
    @anonymous

    Trump and RFK seem to have taken some action against vaccines and fluoride. Good news, if true.

    That latest thing he said: 100,000 a year for any imported foreign worker visas is very funny, and if it is implemented would solve the mass migration thing!

    Replies: @Ed Case, @nokangaroos

    , @Etruscan Film Star
    @anonymous


    Trump’s 2nd term has had hugely important events quite changing the USA and the world, and involving very serious elements of usage of power which Trump’s team continues to hold
     
    I don't know about Kevin Barrett, but I for one am glad to acknowledge that on domestic issues like the third-world immigration tsunami, President Trump has set in motion a benign cycle. The toxic cloud of woke orthodoxy is being dissipated, even if not as fast as we'd like.

    Trump can be crude -- oh my my! -- but it's ever so refreshing to hear a high-ranking politician slam devil-spawn leftists with gale force instead of the wet, cringing, focus-group-tested mewling of false-front "conservatives."

    That's the good part. The bad part is that in international relations he has an almost flawless record of being dangerously irresponsible and seduced by an Israeli succubus.

    Replies: @Same old same old, @Carroll Price, @NobodyImportant

    , @ariadna
    @anonymous

    I am surprised you forgot to include on your list of pluses for Trump his essential help in bringing home a few American Israeli hostages from the horrid clutches of Hamas.
    Well, “home” is debatable since it is unclear if that meant the US or their newer and oldest home, the Jewish State. To me that accomplishment alone is worth naming a park after him somewhere n Gaza once that’s turned into Jewish Riviera.

    Replies: @meamjojo

    , @Tennessee Jed
    @anonymous

    Your list of Trump's "hugely important events changing the USA" doesn't minimize the fact that he is using U.S. taxpayer dollars to finance the Palestinian genocide and Zelensky's war.

    , @John Johnson
    @anonymous

    Sure there is goofy stuff with Trump, and significant arguments about evil with Israel, Iran etc … and good questions as to whether American lower classes’ economic hardship will be relieved … but dismissing Trump as a ‘clown’ and claiming he is ‘crashing’ is neither genuinely factual nor productive discussion

    Well of course calling someone a clown is subjective.

    A global vote however would resoundingly decree him to be a clown.

    His own MAGA movement is falling apart.

    He just announced tariffs on imported drugs.

    So seniors will be mad with him. Along with farmers.

    Higher prescription costs and tax cuts for billionaires.

    Some bigley genius moves.

    Replies: @Ed Case

    , @James J. O'Meara
    @anonymous


    Kevin Barrett’s smug dismissal of Trump as a ‘clown’ is not any more helpful than his recurring smug lampooning of Christian belief themes, like Barrett’s recent joking about Christians and ‘rapture’
     
    Joke 'em if they can't take a fuck.
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  • @Dmon
    The following is a public service announcement, possibly about Tylenol and pregnant women. I'm not sure because I haven't turned on the sound any of the 73 times I've watched it so far.

    https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1971639969648464002

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    Is that what a Jugalo is?

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    @Old Prude

    Underneath the top, they have "Goodyear" stenciled on them.

  • @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Hail


    WHY weren’t measures taken immediately in late January 2025 to end H1b? Or, for that matter — in late January 2017?
     
    A critical mass of the managers became convinced their A one code machines had reached liftoff and they didn't need the gypsy traveler coders for anything ever again.

    By the way Elon Musk says F*ck you in the face.

    Replies: @Hail

    By the way Elon Musk says F*ck [native-born White workers] in the face.

    Elon never understood what the MAGA-Trump “thing” was all about.

    In certain important respects, Elon lives in a fantasy-world in which he can dictate reality personally, maybe by money but really by force of will or imagination. Elon doesn’t seem to empathize with, or even understand, real social movements. That may be what people mean by their occasional descriptions of him as autistic.

    Elon’s failure to understand MAGA, and his thinking that he could strong-arm a huge surge in H1Bs then mock and threaten White Americans over it, differs from the real pro-Wokeness ideologues of the Left. The latter DID understand Trump-MAGA, correctly, as (at least originally) a soft White-ethnonationalist movement. The core of MAGA is basically the same as the ethnonationalistic movements seen all across Europe today, probably never stronger than in the mid-2020s.

    (The AfD in Germany: It’s set to take power in two state governments in 2026, several more to come, and potentially entering the national government by 2029, at the least as a junior-partner, at which point mass-deportations would begin (we can hope). Even today, in a snap election they could take up to one-third of the national Bundestag seats, an amazing change-over since the long dreary years of the cordon-sanitaire, firmly in place from 1945-2015. The AfD, and others like it, are really the same ‘basic’ movement as the Trump-MAGA thing, motivated by the same desires of the White population for survival and self-determination against hostile Wokeness, the Diversity-Leviathan, and Western managed-decline/dispossession. Except the AfD is more morally-serious, smarter, and without a clownish narcissist running things as a reality-show.)

    When I think back to it, Elon kind of “trolled” his way into public prominence in the political sphere (or the pro-wrestling-like, hyper social-media version of the political). It’s not clear he ever understood what he was doing or what was happening.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Hail

    Well first of all, people make fun of me for idolizing La Billie, but I'm not the one who actually had a literal child with the nonsense-peddler Grimes. I mean, have you *listened* to any of that crap? And people tell me I'm the one who's tone-deaf.

    Doing a deep dive, in a sense there is a way of viewing this as being, We are all suffering from the hypnosis of living in the Victor's Version of History from the Second World War.

    The white race is being both politically and realistically destroyed because the Victor's Version tells us that the Worst Thing Evah in the World Was Hitler, and white people looking after their own valid interests always Equals Hitler.

    But honestly... who told you this? Why did they teach you that?

    Ask a random person the question: Why do you think Hitler is So Evil?

    -- Because he started World War Two.

    -- But no he didn't. Britain and France declared war on Germany, thus starting World War Two.

    -- B-b-but... Hitler invaded Poland!

    -- So what? Was it worth setting the entire world on fire, just to address a minor centuries-long border dispute between two Eastern European powers who had been squabbling over this crap for generations? Would you have agreed for the United States to start World War Two against the British Empire because of their misdeeds in Ulster? Should Iowa farm boys get their guts blasted out over that? If not, WHY not?

    -- B-b-but... Hitler was mean to the Jews!

    -- So what? Again, should Iowa farm boys get their legs shot off because some guy with a silly haircut and a leather coat was mean to Anne Frank? Would YOU die over that? The Jews were the overt, conscious enemies of the German nation, and then the Germans had the nerve to be Blue Meanie enemies back. This, after the conveniently white-washed and forgotten massive-scale crimes of the Jewish Bolsheviks. And for that, you fire-bombed women and children in Dresden? Explain yourself, lad.

    Please note, I'm not trying to defend Hitler or the NSDAP here, much less the crazy racist psycho Imperial Japanese regime; I'm just pointing out that the historiography we currently live under is selectively edited, ludicrously self-serving, and made of toilet paper.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Curle, @Nicholas Stix, @John Johnson

    , @Brutusale
    @Hail

    You can only win elections that you're allowed to take part in.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/german-mayoral-election-turns-farce-after-afd-candidate-banned-only-29-voters

    Germany is on the autobahn to failed statehood.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/does-porsches-setback-signal-end-german-supremacy-autos

    Hungary says thank you, Krauts.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/safe-haven-hungary-why-companies-chooses-orban-over-brussels

    What is it about the German character that makes them triple down on ideas when they prove untenable? I've read that it always shocked the Soviets at what True Believers in Communism those in the DDR were.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

  • @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @J.Ross

    "What job are you going to get otherwise that you actually won’t get, regardless of your qualifications? What house would you otherwise get? Maybe we’re all cowards... But there exist people, like Trump, who are trying to fix this. Our ancestors and our descendents want us to try to fix it."

    Well it all I think goes back to dishonesty, and also to the basic human problem that there is always a lot of ruin in a successful system which has begun winding down, but people tend not to notice it until it's too late. Look at the difference between the T'ang and the Sung (nobody ever tells you that An Lu-shan was really a Turk, viz a foreigner, not Han, and that this might matter); or the "fitna" which collapsed the otherwise brilliant Cordoba caliphate, and left it to be eaten alive by the petty kingdoms of Christian Galicia to the north and thus eventually to the rise of Isabella.

    J. Ross put his finger on 2008, which is the sort of epicenter of the hurricane of dishonesty which began with the ascent of the ridiculous buffoon George W. Bush in 2000. The absolute disgraceful parade of stupidity and dishonesty began with that jackass and his gang of clownery. Sure, we have hollowed out, sold out, and dis-assembled the greatest industrial undercarriage in human history, but we will now get rich selling each other over-valued houses, giving nonsense loans to illegal Latino paupers and negro imbeciles, and selling off our painstakingly-developed social and cultural capital and real estate to cynical mooching foreigners. Yeah, that'll work.

    So that was the bubble that popped for the first time in 2008, which even the Scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz could have seen coming years before, but it was just one part of the silliest clown show one has ever seen: the absurd response to 9/11, the ridiculous and criminal Iraq war, the turbo-drive immigration, the annihilation of any sort of coherence in the culture, it goes on and on. All of it driven by a hidden power structure composed of people who are at heart foreigners, who hate this country and its people and who have no interest in its long-term well-being. Well go figure.

    Lie down with dogs, get up with Jews.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    If we hadn’t got W in 2000, we would have gotten Gore, with the same trajectory for the nation. I recall watching those two shrill frat boys debate and knew our republic was in peril. 2008 was a bad time, but we stumbled on to 2015, when gay marriage was discovered in the Constitution. 2020 gave us Covid, a stolen election and the Black! Cultural Revolution, along with swamping the country with the dregs of the world.

    It’s like watching a gut-shot squirrel thrashing around until it bleeds out.

    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Old Prude

    People don't remember this but all the political satire of the day was about how there was no meaningful difference between the two. Another thing forgotten: Gore was a massive hawk who never saw a "humanitarian intervention" he didn't endorse. It's possible that the IX/XI human sacrifice opera would have been worse under Gore.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @epebble
    @Old Prude

    Though there is no way to prove that, if Gore had won, he might not have been railroaded by a dominant VP like Dick Cheney to start Iraq war on fake grounds. That was a ruinous war in terms of lives, treasure and loss of prestige/credibility. In that sense, the (inevitable) decline might have been postponed by a few more years. Thinking of Iraq war again, root of that (and 9/11 etc.) was G.H.W. Bush's decision to go to war on behalf of Kuwait. So, if you have to blame a Bush for the downfall, maybe it is Bush I.

  • @Dr. Rock

    May You Live in Interesting Times
     
    With each passing month and year, I'm reminded of this old saying, and I try to tell myself that in many ways, it does beat the alternative, but man...

    Literally everything is just a non-stop stream of crazy, mayhem, anarchy, madness, lunacy... and it still seems to be accelerating everyday.

    I can't help but think that at some point, it all finally collapses.

    I can't see a way that it doesn't.

    Meh. Play On!

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @J.Ross

    Literally everything is just a non-stop stream of crazy, mayhem, anarchy, madness, lunacy… and it still seems to be accelerating everyday.

    That is only what comes into the computer / phone. Hit the off switch and the real world isn’t crazy, isn’t mayhem, isn’t anarchy, isn’t madness, isn’t lunacy. The programming can be ignored. Almost none of it is needed after you take care of the few basic necessities like bills, shopping, &c.

    Go for a walk man. The rabbits and squirrels and the birds and whatnot have not changed at all. The butterflies and the bees are still going strong around my zip code in spite of the internet insisting very loudly that they are in a state of catastrophic decline collapse. It is my deeply held prejudice the people writing that stuff basically never go outside except to take a few steps to where their car is parked.

    • Agree: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Sam Hildebrand
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The butterflies and the bees are still going strong around my zip code
     
    Have you ran into these bad boys? I deal with yellow jackets, wasps and bumble bees on regular basis, usually being stung a couple times a year. I usually leave the nests alone unless they are located next to the house. But these invasive european hornets are nasty. Not only are they huge and aggressive, they are active at night, making it difficult safely eradicate a nest (always hidden in a tree hole).

    I inadvertently got my young dog stung last summer when I hung the training drag in a tree with an active nest. I went back once it was dark to spray the nest and came face to face with five hornets guarding the entry hole. I ended up putting on heavy coveralls and taped a fogger on the end of a 10 foot gig handle and held it to the opening while the hornets swarmed over me.



    https://extension.psu.edu/media/catalog/product/a/8/a80c0f93607b51815caf641de42fe704.jpeg?quality=80&bg-color=248,248,248&fit=bounds&height=427&width=640&canvas=640:427&dpr=2

    https://extension.psu.edu/european-hornet

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Almost Missouri

    , @Buzz Mohawk, @Curle
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Go for a walk man. The rabbits and squirrels and the birds and whatnot have not changed at all.
     
    As far as the dogs go the little buggers are still manipulating us like crazy for their own ends.

    Replies: @Currdog73

    , @Dr. Rock
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Fair points, and worth considering, thanks.

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  • @Frau Katze
    @Almost Missouri

    Russia is going broke. Sorry you won’t read an article by a respected journalist for what I consider a poor reason.

    I hardly read here anymore but your Russian-influenced viewpoint could not go unchallenged.

    Only recently have I become aware of the massive Russian campaign to influence the West. And have they ever succeeded although it’s starting to wane.

    I read some articles on it, two Unz writers were mentioned by name as recipients of Russian attention.

    The campaign is a continuation of work started in the Soviet Union.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hail

    Sorry you won’t read an article by a respected journalist for what I consider a poor reason.

    I did read it. That’s why I spent a couple of paragraphs responding to what would not make sense outside of the context of her article. I’m sorry you didn’t catch that.

    As I tried to explain, even if her writing is from firsthand observation, she is clearly (and perhaps willfully) oblivious to larger logistical and strategic matters. She sees Ukrainians assembling drones, but doesn’t understand that all of the advanced components come from elsewhere. She knows Ukrainians are fighting, but doesn’t understand that their their ammunition, food, their fuel, even their salaries, is paid for by someone else. She cheers for strikes deep into Russia’s civilian interior, but forgets that her side has an open civilian interior too. She is clever, but she’s also a fool, and given her position and the blind belief she engenders, she’s a dangerous fool.

    Only recently have I become aware of the massive Russian campaign to influence the West.

    “Massive”?!? Where is the mass of this campaign? Every major news, media and propaganda outlet across the West is foursquare behind the pro-Ukraine narrative, no matter how it twists and turns. Anyone who dissents risks censure, deplatforming, and disemployment. I see plenty of mass alright, all of it deployed against Russia.

    Unz is one of the few sites on the internet that enjoys relatively free debate on the subject. By an unfortunate coincidence, it is backlisted at Google and therefore basically invisible to anyone who doesn’t already know of its existence.

    • Agree: Old Prude
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    • Replies: @Frau Katze
    @Almost Missouri

    This entire site, including you, are proof of how successful Russian propaganda has been.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Almost Missouri

  • @Mark G.
    @Mike Tre

    I have Corvinus coming at me from the left and Loyalty and Mike coming at me from the right. I am too racist for one side and not racist enough for the other.

    What the Mike and Loyalty types don't understand is that in order for their political coalition to win they need to pick up some moderates in the middle, not alienate them with their hostility. Their movement will remain marginal and doomed to failure.

    This country is undergoing a decline and heading for a collapse. The collapse will not be prevented because of the bad political judgement of the extreme White racialist right in being unable to win people over. I am an old man who will not be around much longer so at least I may be spared watching the end of a once great country.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @epebble, @Old Prude, @Corvinus, @Mike Tre

    “I am too racist for one side and not racist enough for the other.”

    Are the Chinese racists for preferring their own kind and building a culture that prioritizing Chinese interests over all others? You’re using words made up by people that would brainwash you into not prioritizing the interests of your own kind. They succeeded to some extent.

    • Agree: Old Prude, MGB
    • Disagree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Mark G.
    @Mike Tre

    I am on the political side of the majority of actual Whites in this country, not on the side of some self-appointed spokesman for Whites where the same thing is not true

    Replies: @Mike Tre

    , @Corvinus
    @Mike Tre

    “Are the Chinese racists for preferring their own kind and building a culture that prioritizing Chinese interests over all others?”

    Whites determine their “own kind” through freedom of association.

    “You’re using words made up by people that would brainwash you”

    You mean like “anti-white”? Why is that posters here are so afraid to define in their own words this concept and offer specific examples?

  • @Corvinus
    @Almost Missouri

    “I think it is fair to call it a NATO proxy war.”

    Which deprives Ukraine of its agency and suggests it is merely a pawn in a larger geopolitical game. The Ukrainian government and its people made the sovereign decision to resist Russian aggression. It called for military assistance from outside places to defend their nation. Remember, Russia is the aggressor.

    Replies: @Old Prude

    The Ukrainian government was installed and funded by the EU and the US (neocons). They kept jabbing at the bear, and the bear finally got fed up.

    It was an avoidable war, but folks without skin in the game didn’t care.

    My understanding is the Ukrainian people would prefer peace, but the EU and Zelinsky aren’t interested, because it’s not their blood on the ground.

    • Thanks: Mike Tre, MEH 0910
    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Old Prude


    folks without skin in the game didn’t care.
     
    A peculiar thing is that neither the US nor even the EU had "skin in the game" until they put it in.

    The relationship between Russia and the Ukraine, the border location between Russia and Ukraine, and even the existence of an independent Ukraine are all practically speaking a matter of perfect indifference to the US and EU, but somehow the US, EU and NATO all inserted themselves into the question until global thermonuclear war is back on the table, something we otherwise gratefully shelved three decades ago.

    Even now, no state in the US or EU has any discernable material interest in the outcome of the Russia-Ukraine contest, yet the US-EU leaders can't stop escalating even at the risk of global destruction over ... nothing. It's almost as if the leaders are propelled by something else, something hidden from their electorate, something cold, and avaricious, and powerful.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Corvinus
    @Old Prude

    “The Ukrainian government was installed and funded by the EU and the US (neocons).”

    This is Russian disinformation. The revolution was a popular uprising by Ukrainian citizens, and Western support for Ukraine has been aimed at bolstering its democracy and economy.

    “It was an avoidable war, but folks without skin in the game didn’t care.”

    Yes. Putin invaded on the pretext that “Jewish Neo-Nazis” needed to be contained.

    “My understanding is the Ukrainian people would prefer peace”

    Indeed. Putin can make that happen by ordering a ceasefire and negotiate in earnest.

  • @Almost Missouri
    @Frau Katze

    I was going to pass over this in silence, as approvingly quoting neocon warmonger Anne Applebaum might be considered embarrassing. Out of concern for you, I didn't want to call attention to it. OTOH, given your position in the beating heart of mainstream Canada, maybe intra-NATO comity obliges a reply after all.

    Yes, drones are now a crucial weapon on both sides. And I suppose many drones undergo final assembly in Ukraine and there may even be some injection-molding plants in Ukraine that can make plastic propellers or whatnot, but the important drone components, such as the sine qua non of drones—their digital brains, are 100% imported, and anyway both the domestic production and the imports are funded with NATO money, or as you call it "EU funds". Even as the US may decline to fund its own government next month, the US and NATO are paying Ukrainian government and military salaries and even buying Ukrainian farmers their seeds and fertilizer (Ukraine used to be a huge fertilizer exporter).

    Without NATO, this war, whether drone, infantry, or armor, would already be long over. When the war only exists because of NATO, and at this point the government, military, farms and fertilizers only exist because of NATO, I think it is fair to call it a NATO proxy war.

    Additionally, Ukrainian-NATO drone attacks blowing up petroleum plants and airports within Russia's interior may seem like a clever technical achievement, but consider that there are now unidentified drone probes of petroleum plants and airports within NATO's interior. Then consider what happens if Russia decides to go full sauce-for-the-gander. Will flaming oil platforms in the North Sea and flaming airports in Jutland lead to Ukrainian victory? Or will it force a stark choice on NATO: settle now or launch WWIII?

    You and I are far from the front lines so far. My idea of progress doesn't involve bringing the front lines to us.

    Replies: @J.Ross, @Frau Katze, @Corvinus

    “I think it is fair to call it a NATO proxy war.”

    Which deprives Ukraine of its agency and suggests it is merely a pawn in a larger geopolitical game. The Ukrainian government and its people made the sovereign decision to resist Russian aggression. It called for military assistance from outside places to defend their nation. Remember, Russia is the aggressor.

    • LOL: Old Prude
    • Replies: @Old Prude
    @Corvinus

    The Ukrainian government was installed and funded by the EU and the US (neocons). They kept jabbing at the bear, and the bear finally got fed up.

    It was an avoidable war, but folks without skin in the game didn’t care.

    My understanding is the Ukrainian people would prefer peace, but the EU and Zelinsky aren’t interested, because it’s not their blood on the ground.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Corvinus

  • @Frau Katze
    @Almost Missouri

    You’re completely wrong. The war (not a proxy war) is currently being fought with drones. The drones are made in Ukraine and they’re doing well, hitting oil refineries in Russia and creating gasoline shortages.

    Russia is in bad shape, their economy is in tatters, dependent completely on oil sales to India and China.

    The EU is providing funds.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/09/ukraines-strategy-to-win-the-war/684356/

    Archived copy:

    https://archive.ph/DFO0B

    Replies: @epebble, @J.Ross, @Almost Missouri, @Hypnotoad666

    I was going to pass over this in silence, as approvingly quoting neocon warmonger Anne Applebaum might be considered embarrassing. Out of concern for you, I didn’t want to call attention to it. OTOH, given your position in the beating heart of mainstream Canada, maybe intra-NATO comity obliges a reply after all.

    Yes, drones are now a crucial weapon on both sides. And I suppose many drones undergo final assembly in Ukraine and there may even be some injection-molding plants in Ukraine that can make plastic propellers or whatnot, but the important drone components, such as the sine qua non of drones—their digital brains, are 100% imported, and anyway both the domestic production and the imports are funded with NATO money, or as you call it “EU funds”. Even as the US may decline to fund its own government next month, the US and NATO are paying Ukrainian government and military salaries and even buying Ukrainian farmers their seeds and fertilizer (Ukraine used to be a huge fertilizer exporter).

    Without NATO, this war, whether drone, infantry, or armor, would already be long over. When the war only exists because of NATO, and at this point the government, military, farms and fertilizers only exist because of NATO, I think it is fair to call it a NATO proxy war.

    Additionally, Ukrainian-NATO drone attacks blowing up petroleum plants and airports within Russia’s interior may seem like a clever technical achievement, but consider that there are now unidentified drone probes of petroleum plants and airports within NATO’s interior. Then consider what happens if Russia decides to go full sauce-for-the-gander. Will flaming oil platforms in the North Sea and flaming airports in Jutland lead to Ukrainian victory? Or will it force a stark choice on NATO: settle now or launch WWIII?

    You and I are far from the front lines so far. My idea of progress doesn’t involve bringing the front lines to us.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Thanks: deep anonymous, Old Prude
    • Replies: @J.Ross
    @Almost Missouri

    Let's never forget what Appelbaum's husband unwittingly admitted: Poland's interested as a matter of course in making life complex for Russia but absolutely does not want war.

    Replies: @deep anonymous

    , @Frau Katze
    @Almost Missouri

    Russia is going broke. Sorry you won’t read an article by a respected journalist for what I consider a poor reason.

    I hardly read here anymore but your Russian-influenced viewpoint could not go unchallenged.

    Only recently have I become aware of the massive Russian campaign to influence the West. And have they ever succeeded although it’s starting to wane.

    I read some articles on it, two Unz writers were mentioned by name as recipients of Russian attention.

    The campaign is a continuation of work started in the Soviet Union.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Hail

    , @Corvinus
    @Almost Missouri

    “I think it is fair to call it a NATO proxy war.”

    Which deprives Ukraine of its agency and suggests it is merely a pawn in a larger geopolitical game. The Ukrainian government and its people made the sovereign decision to resist Russian aggression. It called for military assistance from outside places to defend their nation. Remember, Russia is the aggressor.

    Replies: @Old Prude

  • @Mark G.
    @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality

    People can walk and chew gum at the same time- except for a retard like you.

    Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @Old Prude

    I guess I should have read more of the thread before posting my previous comment. LITFLOM likes being slapped around.

  • @Mark G.
    @Mike Tre

    I have Corvinus coming at me from the left and Loyalty and Mike coming at me from the right. I am too racist for one side and not racist enough for the other.

    What the Mike and Loyalty types don't understand is that in order for their political coalition to win they need to pick up some moderates in the middle, not alienate them with their hostility. Their movement will remain marginal and doomed to failure.

    This country is undergoing a decline and heading for a collapse. The collapse will not be prevented because of the bad political judgement of the extreme White racialist right in being unable to win people over. I am an old man who will not be around much longer so at least I may be spared watching the end of a once great country.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality, @epebble, @Old Prude, @Corvinus, @Mike Tre

    You are too easy going, so you keep getting pestered by Corvina and LITFLOM. If you were more obstreperous like Buzz Mo, they would stay clear away.

    • LOL: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Loyalty is The First Law of Morality
    @Old Prude

    You don't think saving our people is worth talking about? Just stay on safe topics like budgets and interest rates?