Usually a message as powerful as that being delivered by Dr Sachs requires character assassination to make people doubt its truth. However I’d pay more attention and look more closely into it simply because the messenger is being attacked.
The economic collapse of the Soviet Union was hastened by the greed of people like Cheney who insisted on money owed to the US being paid immediately resulting in the fire sale of many soviet state assets. All of Dr Sachs recommendations were bulldozed over. Had they listened to Dr Sachs’ recommendations, Putin would probably never have got elected and Russia would be on the side of the US facing the rise of China.

So how did it not take off back then, and then far, far away take off in the middle of the PRC?

Remember that no one in the US was looking for an infectious disease at that time in the US when evali was circulating. As we know from studies of covid now, different people had different reactions depending on age, overall health and other existing health conditions. Not all those infected were counted by the CDC as there were some who were infected only realising it months after the event that what they caught, which they thought at the time was a bad flu, actually had the symptoms of covid. In the 2807 number, CDC would only have counted those who vaped if they thought it was a vaping disease.

Also the disease spread more easily in enclosed spaces. So perhaps it was more noticeable in China where it was picked up as a disease caused by new virus, because of the higher number of community events overall as well as such events being held in enclosed spaces in China compared to the US.

Thank you for writing this article Mr Romanov. It makes sense of a lot of historical as well as current events.

Thank you Godfree Roberts! Brilliant work!

Wonderful to refresh memories and see connections between events through a timeline.

US, afaik, has been the only country to delay testing. No one from the CDC has ever offered a good explanation for why that might be the case. Imagine if testing had commenced as soon as test kits through the WHO were available. We would have got data that might have proven something !

How do know if it was China and not the Guo media network?

https://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=2050

It’s also interesting that the Chinese did not notice that COVID was contagious in the beginning. In fact they said there was no human to human transmission for more than a week before then correcting themselves.

I also think that Trump was not totally innocent about what was going on. He was part of 3 unusual events at the beginning of the pandemic.

1. There was few, almost no testing, of the virus being carried out for at least 2 months to the end of February. Despite German developed diagnostic kits being available, through WHO, from early January, the CDC wanted to design their own diagnostic kits. There were constant delays and various excuses, some manufacturing problem which was never explained and CDC wanting to get perfect results before allowing the tests to start. This issue was of great concern to doctors and the delay was unusual, even a former CDC director saying that tests in the past were always produced very quickly. Trump was silent on this.

2. The White House (around March 12) ordered the FHA to treat all meetings on the coroanvirus as classified. This was despite many medical personnel criticising such as move as it was restricting vital information and hampering the government response.

3. On May 29 as the pandemic was starting to take hold, Trump announced that the US will leave the WHO. This went ahead in spite of groups representing infectious disease doctors, pediatricians and GPs all protesting this move.

These are not the actions of an innocent president. These are the actions of someone who has something to hide.

Anyone can Google that.

If so, you obviously couldn’t.

Actually I wold say it is more commonsense, something you are lacking too.

Not just retail, but also retail.

Retail+retail=Retail. What kind of logic makes it expropriating massive amounts?

Sorry that your guru Modi couldn’t do maths either.

The only PPE that the Chinese would have “vacuumed” up would have been those sold in retail shops. At that stage no one expected the virus to spread outside of china, not Pelosi and certainly not Trump!

USG and every 5 eye government usually has an emergency stockpile of PPE in some warehouse in preparation for a pandemic. Are you suggesting that they foolishly gave it all away to China ?

They may have been open about the warmongering but were quick to block all information on the virus outbreak in the US

“We had some very critical people who did not have security clearances who could not go,” one official said. “These should not be classified meetings. It was unnecessary.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive/exclusive-white-house-told-federal-health-agency-to-classify-coronavirus-deliberations-sources-idUSKBN20Y2LM

I would call this a good example of an incoherent brain damaged, brain dead rant.

Perhaps the Chinese are just lying and they knew of the outbreak before DIA knew? Then an American spy inside the Chinese government got info about the outbreak and passed it to the DIA?

Note this, from Ron Unz: After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment.

I can’t imagine the report being officially denied if the DIA were getting second hand information. They would probably have backed it up by saying from ‘anonymous sources’

This seems to be inconsistent with the somewhat “immediate” reactive deaths to Iranian elites.

Unz has explained it :

As a secondary operation, they decided to target Iran’s political elites, possibly deploying a somewhat more deadly variant of the virus. Since political elites generally tend to be elderly, they would anyway suffer far greater fatalities.

Many informed travelers we met in the country made the claim that if Tibet had not been taken over by the Chinese, it would probably look a lot like Bhutan does today.

Interesting observation! Perhaps these same informed travelers might also make the claim that if only China were ruled by the British and became a democracy, it would probably look a lot like India does today.

Kevin Barrett is definitely onto something imho. This article certainly seems to reinforce the earlier article with the interview between Kevin and Meryl Nass.
That had some stunning revelations for me, in particular the idea that the world economy was being destroyed so that they could start again.

So Mearsheimer says that the only way to stop China’s rise is essentially to destroy the global economy. He says even wrecking the U.S. economy along with the global economy would would be worth it because security is more important than prosperity.

I thought that was a bit of a stretch but during the week, a few articles I came across seem to be going in that direction.
From Klaus Schwab who is part of the Davos elites
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-its-time-for-a-massive-reset-of-capitalism/
We see this idea being circulated in other media they “influence”, even down to smaller sites such as interest.co.nz
Then in the Indian paper ET, to get Indian support using india/china rivalry:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/view-china-doesnt-want-a-new-world-order-it-wants-this-one-/articleshow/76223464.cms
Seems like the great big plan is slowly coming into place and coronavirus is all part of it.

They bought up all the PPE early January.

At that time China was the only country afflicted with the virus. Could it be possible that China and the world at that stage did think the virus could be stopped from spreading outside China? Yes, because previous outbreaks (Sars, H1N1, Mers) were largely contained and didn't go global.

They control manufacturing for much of the world.

Not sure what is being implied here, but when the virus eventually spread to countries that faced a shortage of PPE, China was in a position to ramp up production and supply back to the countries that earlier donated/needed PPE.

They stopped travel in China early while allowing citizens of Wuhan to travel out.

This was based on misinformation by Niall Ferguson and spread by the Trump administration. When all Wuhan flight schedules were checked by Daniel A Bell, this was disproven.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1187304.shtml

They controlled it in their country but got the WHO to say in mid January that it couldn’t be transferred person to person.

The virus was certainly not controlled within China by January, more like March although it is only with hindsight we can say it was under control. On 26 January the statement about it not being contagious was changed to say that it was contagious, less than 1 week. Did they try to hide the information in order to make it spread globally or was it because it was a new virus and the information changed upon further study? If China really wanted to hide the virus, why start the infection in Wuhan where there is a biolab, during Lunar new year ? Also why change the contagion statement within a week and not wait another 2 or 3 months?

Who is benefiting the most from this virus? I would argue China.

China’s economy has been hit and it is facing a global backlash from the virus. No country benefits from this virus and certainly, at the start, no country knows how it will end.

Well, hate to say this, but there may be some element of truth to Ron Unz’s theory after all!

https://www.rt.com/news/489783-israel-snubs-china-desalination/

Some governments took full advantage of the early warning and scientific information provided by China.

The US Government was clearly not one of those taking full advantage of the warnings and scientific information. Of particular interest, testing was delayed by a month. And most readers came to the conclusion that it was due to a bumbling government and unprepared officials.

Given that the US is the sole super power and there are very knowledgeable people within the administration, one could ask, how on earth was it not possible for any one from a group of intelligent people not know this could be a problem for the US even if there were some bumbling ones? The US is not a third world country with no knowledge of pandemics. The US has very capable people who have a deep knowledge of viruses and infectious diseases. The US has a top intelligence organisation with very wide networks.

Upon watching Event 201 (a rehersal which would have been fresh on the minds of some very influential people given that it was carried out in October 2019) there were many accurate conclusions made of the chain of events that could unfold from an outbreak. They even foresaw that the disease was so infectious that it was spreading through all the continents. Looking at it from this angle, why was the US not more concerned when news of the disease first broke out? How was it that they were the only country looking for a statement that said there was no human to human transmission. Why did they not even question that statement when the outbreak and deaths were being reported? Why did they delay testing by a month?

New data on antibodies from the US is interesting. The number of infected people are much much higher than reported. Why are the US numbers not lining up with those of other countries? Are they hiding something that might be revealed?

Now with this new information out, Trump is acting even more bumbling and stupid with his remarks on disinfectant. Is Trump really so foolish about disinfectants? Or is it to distract us from looking for the truth?

You know, maybe it was a joint venture between US and China. Everyone knew but us little people.

China and the many involved would then have to be acting out a role when the disease progressed and was discovered. And from their initial reaction, it was more confusion and missteps rather than calculated acting.

I ask also what would China gain by taking part in this ‘joint venture’? Absolutely nothing. It doesn’t have the difficulty that the US has in introducing the monitoring of citizen movements. It has no desire to implant chips into its citizens or vaccinate all citizens with hidden chips. It would have known the economic and political consequences would be severe. And most of all, China no longer trusts the USG.

Hopefully this pandemic is a wake up call to the CCP that there are more than the USG they shouldn’t trust. And taking USAID grants can have dire consequences.

China banned all movement to the rest of China from Wuhan while not only allowing the Wuhan infected to infiltrate the West

The shutdown of public transport and flights would have stopped movement out of Wuhan into the rest of China and other countries. Why did Western media, while it was happening, not point out that the lockdown only stopped movements domestically? Because it stopped ALL travel outside of Wuhan. In fact western media claimed that China was sacrificing Wuhan to save the world.

Th other factor that would have stopped travel from China to most western countries is the need for a visa. Anyone who has had to apply for a visa ought to know how long that process takes.

In any case, the number of travellers from China to US in that period would have been minimal as it was during Chinese New Year when families reunite. The US Government is clutching at straws to try and push this narrative. The most likely reason US has such high numbers of infections is most likely the virus was already circulating in the US.

Where is the evidence that China chose to deliberately infect the rest of the world?

On the contrary, China proceeded with a lockdown the size of which has never been attempted in history.

The possibility of the virus originating in the US now needs a closer look!

Consider the US infection numbers and how large they are. Now the latest antibody testing suggests that the numbers are even larger than US are reporting. If that is true, perhaps the US numbers are not consistent with a virus moving from China to the US but in fact, could even support the possibility of the virus moving from the US to China and other parts of the world.

Italy has suggested that possibility and has requested the US to posthumously investigate the earlier flu deaths in the US, but the US has flatly refused!! Why is the US so fearful of the truth coming out?

Please explain how this might be even possible, o gullible one.

Well done for exposing this lot and their greedy motives!

This is what good journalists do.

Good that you remembered to bring it up. It was a false story apparently made up by none other than Kyle Bass.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/coronavirus-wasnt-sent-by-spy-from-canada/

Miles Guo has connections with Steve Bannon and Kyle Bass both of whom’s aim are to bad mouth the CCP as well as China. Nothing I have listened to or read from them have been objective or backed by facts.

As for Miles Guo, he has a bone to pick with the CCP because he was going to be arrested for bribes, fraud, money laundering amongst other charges before he escaped to the USA. The way he seems to operate is to pick up on a current news event and turn it into an item of insider knowledge against the CCP. If anyone was to check on the dates of each of his ‘revelations’ they will notice that it is never before the event. In the case of the virus, it was several weeks late.

I understand that sites ,such as Zero Hedge, have a mix of articles containing misinformation , disinformation and sometimes the truth

You are right. I have come to realise that Zerohedge is no longer a useful source of information. The amount of truth in the articles is dwindling and the amount of misinformation/disinformation increasing.

as Chinese domestic security agencies surely kept close tabs on all foreign personnel, especially those from hostile countries like America.

This assumption has no basis due to :

1. They could not have known beforehand US military are malevolent enough to use a virus on them

2. Unlike conventional weapons as there is no equipment to scan viruses, and whatever release mechanism employed would most probably have been chosen because it is easy enough to slip pass even the most vigilant of security agents

Another article has been published by Global Research.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196

Japanese and Taiwanese scientists claim that the source of the virus is USA.

So what’s up with the deaths in Iran?

The interesting explanation from the same article is that the Iran strain is different and more deadly.

If Serpentza had an altruistic bone in his body, he would have stayed in South Africa and preached to some there how to treat people!

Its not like he even understands chinese culture in the first place as he keeps judging everyone with stereotyping. If he has met 2 people doing something wrong (and could the first one be his wife?) he thinks it represents all Chinese. Imagine if we are to meet one or two Americans or Australians who are racist and then classify every American or Australian as such?

“Saving face” is meant for how you treat other people – Europeans call it ‘consider their feelings’. If you think “saving face” it is in relation to oneself, that is called SELF PRIDE and it is frowned upon. Most Chinese value humility rather than pride.

OK maybe some Chinese are loud and pushy (most were country folk until recently and only acquired wealth in one generation, please forgive them for not being sophisticated landed gentry like Serpentza ) but there are also many who are not loud and pushy. Chinese are also open to correction and advice, so if it bothers Serpentza greatly why not ask them politely to be quiet instead? His old videos were great but his new videos generate hate against the Chinese people and in particular, the Chinese Govt.
His purpose and agenda has changed. Before starting his new video series, he gave some made up story about him and his mate going to different countries to do biking videos. Instead he went to USA and then started his hate campaign. We also suddenly see lots of people criticising China or Chinese people and then recommending his videos as an organised information campaign.

I definitely would not bother to watch his videos any longer and he has also lost a lot of readers because of the Lies.

How about American drug companies that lie about their painkillers not being addictive?

How about overpriced American services that also trap you via their monthly subscription? There’s always new ways to skim more money off people.

How about the credit card companies (American invention) that get you so deep into debt that it ruins your life because it takes years to get out of debt if you are vulnerable?

Shoddy goods, at least are sold cheaply, and you don’t have to buy it again!

Your NON scientific judgement does not explain anything here. Many societies eat exotic animals, and Iran is likely not one of those, sanctions or not. Chinese do not have any more diseases that other societies. Since the coronavirus outbreak, suddenly we are seeing this “chinese have many diseases ” line repeated by many “dumbos” online.

“The lady doth protests too much, methinks”

There are intelligence leaks regarding this which you will find on the internet. Of course you will not get evidence on a plate as we all know what happens to CIA informants

@ Just Passing Through.

First case detected on Dec. 1st. That doesn’t say when the infection started. Another factor here is that the period between contracting the virus and its becoming symptomatic and detectable is sometimes 30 days, not two weeks. The long and short of it is that the delay between the timing of the games and the timing of the identification of the early cases of COVID-19 fits very well the scenario of USA as source. Its circumstantial of course. The time argument doesn’t on its own prove the US did it.

The other long and short of it is that the public is being messed with by all the obfuscation on where the disease comes from. When someone disagrees, the biggest serial liar media offenders often just say “conspiracy theorist,” as if this cliche actually explains something. Of course there are laws and a UN Convention prohibiting preparation for biological warfare so no national government is likely to volunteer it has been breaking the law, not China or not US.

There is lots on record to suggest US actually does biological warfare, not just studies it. The evidence is considerable, for instance, that the US government was behind the bioweapon attack on Congress in Oct. of 2001 in order to clear aside the resistance of Senators Leahy and Daschle to the passage of the Patriot Act. Of this phenomenon Prof. Francis Boyle has commented

“The Pentagon and the C.I.A. are ready, willing, and able to launch biowarfare when it suits their interests. They already attacked the American People and Congress and disabled our Republic with super-weapons-grade anthrax in October 2001.”

https://worldbeyondwar.org/boyle-charges-u-s-germ-warfare-program-is-criminal-enterprise/

Prof. Boyle has put the anthrax attacks in the context of the 9/11 psy op as follows:

“Could the real culprits behind the terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001, and the immediately-following terrorist anthrax attacks upon Congress ultimately prove to be the same people? Could it truly be coincidental that two of the primary intended victims of the terrorist anthrax attacks – Senators Daschle and Leahy – were holding up the speedy passage of the pre-planned USA Patriot Act … an act which provided the federal government with unprecedented powers in relation to US citizens and institutions?”

http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html#Boyle

Your purpose for commenting here seems to nit pick at the irrelevant. Or do grammar and writing checks. Or possibly some other more sinister reason. Whatever.

So who doesn’t already know that acronyms have hundreds of possibilities? Using some commonsense, one would then search the term ‘PPP basis’ which the author used, and viola, up comes just the one relevant one.

TMI

(Too Much Information) … of the useless type ie. (that is).
Commenters are not here to find out your life story. Sorry to be cruel.

Isn’t it suspicious that Italy has been hit so hard? Isn’t suspicious that South Korea has been hit so hard? Isn’t it suspicious how pro-Chinese Cambodia hasn’t been hit so hard?

If after planting viruses into the 2 enemy territories of China and Iran, the “planter” would hope and expect a lot of direct damage.

As for the indirect damage, it is outside of their control.

The incubation period was 14 to 28 days during which time an infected person was already contagious to others. There is no way the Chinese Government could have known during the incubation period:
1) this is a new strain of virus
2)how lethal the virus was
3)that the incubation period was longer than usual
There was a travel ban issued by the govt against group tours outside of China once 1 and 2 become known.
You seem unnaturally concerned that any goodwill towards Chinese people will be wiped out. Of course ignorant people will find a reason to be hostile and probably didn’t have any goodwill to start off with.

“China and other cheap goods producers will have problems. Without the ability to make and sell junk, how will they pay for imported oil?”

Who says staying home doesn’t save you money? Total Chinese tourists in 2018 was 149 million with total spending at $130 billion. Cutting out international travel will allow them to divert money elsewhere.

No widely read person would rely on the work of Serpentza.
1. He earns his income on YouTube from spinning only negative views of China
2. His qualifications are not clear. He says he used to teach doctors, was it medical knowledge? was it english as a second language? No one knows but he has to keep repeating it to lend credence to his videos.

It seems the information war has now extended to social media and Serpentza seems to be part of it. Why now and why so many commenters try to refer others to him as a credible source of information when much more credible sources exist?

Are you kidding me? You are not familiar with PPP or STEM?
These have been in use widely, were the author to spell them out, it would be an insult to the reader. And a simple search would have helped you too, man.
PPP – purchasing power parity (often used in relation to GDP which can be either PPP or USD)
STEM – science, technology, engineering, mathematics

“I’ve had 43 Chinese students over the current and past semesters. Most of them hate their government.”

Unlucky you! I have had 14 years of meeting chinese students and adults and have never heard that they hate their government. If anything, they usually speak in support of their government and this while outside of china too with no cameras or anyone else one else within earshot

Thank you Metallicman!

You have certainly created a comprehensive picture linking the single incidents into a very plausible scenario as one does with a jigsaw puzzle where each piece gives more clarity.

There has been certainly a lot of noise both real and fake over the past month. As we know, liars tend to make a lot of noise in order to distract and prevent the truth from being found. By separating the relevant facts from the irrelevant details and presenting them here you have given us much food for thought.