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    Not even a week in Moscow, and I get contacted by a Zvezda TV journalist requesting an interview about life in America and why I returned to Russia. In a deserted billiards room, I began talking about my theory that there is a civility-friendliness spectrum, with Britain on one end of it, Russia on the...
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    Thanks. A very Happy New year to you as well!


    How long are you going to be living here in Moscow?
     
    A long time.

    Have you tried out the new Moscow Central Circle railway yet...
     
    No, but it's high on my to-do list.

    Do you use public transport here?
     
    Not sure how you can do without.

    ... because from what you have written earlier, you are living way out of the city centre in a well known Russian Nationalist enclave that has a large population of people from the Caucasus / Central Asian “-stan” republics.
     
    This is no kind of enclave. It is a very typical southern/eastern Moscow prole district. The typical Moscow prole district does indeed have more C. Asian immigrants, and votes relatively more for both the LDPR and the KPRF compared to the richer central and western districts, which are tilted more towards the liberals.

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/russian-elections-2016-moscow-second-place.png

    Have you noticed how greatly the Moscow metro has expanded in recent years?
     
    How could I not? It is indeed expanding very fast - much faster than at the peak Soviet rates of metro expansion. Of course its easier now that there are no strict requirements for the stations to double as bomb shelters.

    How does public transport here compare with that in the USA pricewise and as regards amenability and efficiency?
     
    Well, you could certainly say more about that yourself, being a longtime resident.

    But for the readers the standard flat price of 32 rubles (=$0.5) for a Metro ride is to me reasonable but I can see it being an issue for poorer residents. Certainly it is far more expensive than it used to be.

    The Metro itself is superior to both London and all the US underground systems I have come across. There is free WiFi (which London doesn't have) and the cars are refreshingly wide, a function I suppose of the wider Russian railway gauge.

    However, there is huge strain at peak hours, and it is going to continue becoming worse rather than better - due to failures of city planning, Moscow still only has one central hub, so as its population continues to soar the pressure around that core is going to get worse (I have discussed this at length with a person who spent time as a professional in the city planning department).

    Have you been to Kolomenskoye yet and seen there reconstructed wooden palace of Tsar Alexis Mikhailovich?
     
    No, I'll make a note of it, thanks.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    re. public transport in Moscow:

    “Not sure how you can do without.”

    Quite! But I have met very many “New Russians” who proudly state that it is years since they have used the metro. They seem to like sitting in traffic jams. And of course, to use trolleybuses, buses or trams would be absolutely unthinkable for them.

    I travel to our dacha, situated about 50 miles south west of Moscow, by suburban electric train, and a return ticket there costs 265 rubles. I was on one of my very rare visits to the UK last June (on average I go back there about once every 5 years to see my sister) and my family and I stopped for 4 days in London before heading off north for Manchester, and the cost of transport in the UK shocked me. I have never been out of Europe, so I do not know how US transportation costs compare with those of Russia.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile


    Quite! But I have met very many “New Russians” who proudly state that it is years since they have used the metro.
     
    Although Lyttenburgh's fan fiction about me is amusing enough, I don't recommend taking it at face value.

    ... and the cost of transport in the UK shocked me.
     
    That is correct - railway transport is still vastly cheaper in Russia.

    In the early 2000s, as I recall the second class cabin I took from Moscow to SPB cost somewhere in the region of $10-20.

    I just checked my records and the Amtrak plan I bought to make a round trip across the US in 2013 (no personal bed or cabin because I am hardcore, and cheap) cost exactly $669.
    , @Philip Owen
    @Moscow Exile

    I really get annoyed with Russians who try to drive to meetings in Central Moscow. They know there is a window of error at least equal to the journey times. And they have to find a place to park! It's a big waste of everyone's time.

    The new railway ring opened the day I arrived in Moscow on my last trip. I kicked myself as I had abandoned my usual hotel (near Sportivnaya) due to long journey times to Delovy Tsentr. But, hey presto, the new ring made it very well connected.

    Platzkart prices on long distance trains haven't risen in line with inflation. Airfares can be enormous as most 2nd city routes are monopolies.

  • Happy New Year 2017, Anatoly!

    Welcome back to Russia!

    How long are you going to be living here in Moscow?

    Have you tried out the new Moscow Central Circle railway yet that has been resurrected from the constructed at the turn of the 20th century “Little Ring” railway? I gave it a go when it opened last October and was well impressed.

    Do you use public transport here? I suppose you do, because from what you have written earlier, you are living way out of the city centre in a well known Russian Nationalist enclave that has a large population of people from the Caucasus / Central Asian “-stan” republics.

    Have you noticed how greatly the Moscow metro has expanded in recent years?

    How does public transport here compare with that in the USA pricewise and as regards amenability and efficiency?

    Have you been to Kolomenskoye yet and seen there reconstructed wooden palace of Tsar Alexis Mikhailovich?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    Thanks. A very Happy New year to you as well!


    How long are you going to be living here in Moscow?
     
    A long time.

    Have you tried out the new Moscow Central Circle railway yet...
     
    No, but it's high on my to-do list.

    Do you use public transport here?
     
    Not sure how you can do without.

    ... because from what you have written earlier, you are living way out of the city centre in a well known Russian Nationalist enclave that has a large population of people from the Caucasus / Central Asian “-stan” republics.
     
    This is no kind of enclave. It is a very typical southern/eastern Moscow prole district. The typical Moscow prole district does indeed have more C. Asian immigrants, and votes relatively more for both the LDPR and the KPRF compared to the richer central and western districts, which are tilted more towards the liberals.

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/russian-elections-2016-moscow-second-place.png

    Have you noticed how greatly the Moscow metro has expanded in recent years?
     
    How could I not? It is indeed expanding very fast - much faster than at the peak Soviet rates of metro expansion. Of course its easier now that there are no strict requirements for the stations to double as bomb shelters.

    How does public transport here compare with that in the USA pricewise and as regards amenability and efficiency?
     
    Well, you could certainly say more about that yourself, being a longtime resident.

    But for the readers the standard flat price of 32 rubles (=$0.5) for a Metro ride is to me reasonable but I can see it being an issue for poorer residents. Certainly it is far more expensive than it used to be.

    The Metro itself is superior to both London and all the US underground systems I have come across. There is free WiFi (which London doesn't have) and the cars are refreshingly wide, a function I suppose of the wider Russian railway gauge.

    However, there is huge strain at peak hours, and it is going to continue becoming worse rather than better - due to failures of city planning, Moscow still only has one central hub, so as its population continues to soar the pressure around that core is going to get worse (I have discussed this at length with a person who spent time as a professional in the city planning department).

    Have you been to Kolomenskoye yet and seen there reconstructed wooden palace of Tsar Alexis Mikhailovich?
     
    No, I'll make a note of it, thanks.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

  • In April of 2014 I wrote an article entitled “How the Ukrainian crisis will eventually bring down the AngloZionist Empire” in which I made a list of the similarities between the Soviet Union of the 1980s and Obama's USA and wrote the following: Over two years later, watching the Presidential race between Trump and Hillary...
  • @Moscow Exile
    In archaic (though not in my old neck of the woods) style, the title of the article would have been better as:

    By Way of Deception Shalt Thou Lose Thy Empire

    Subject-verb inversion as the sentence begins with an adverbial clause.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    However, one would only use the second person singular in this way if one were addressing one person who is a close friend or relative, a child or even an animal if one loves it.

    So really, in addressing the powers-that-be in the USA, the US government or the nation seen as a group of individuals one would say:

    By Way of Deception Shall You Lose Your Empire

    unless one were addressing the chief executive of the USA, whom one considers a personal friend and intimate.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @Ivy
    @Moscow Exile

    In this era, we are all presumed to be intimates of the President, as presumptuous and shocking as that may seem.

  • In archaic (though not in my old neck of the woods) style, the title of the article would have been better as:

    By Way of Deception Shalt Thou Lose Thy Empire

    Subject-verb inversion as the sentence begins with an adverbial clause.

    • Replies: @Moscow Exile
    @Moscow Exile

    However, one would only use the second person singular in this way if one were addressing one person who is a close friend or relative, a child or even an animal if one loves it.

    So really, in addressing the powers-that-be in the USA, the US government or the nation seen as a group of individuals one would say:

    By Way of Deception Shall You Lose Your Empire

    unless one were addressing the chief executive of the USA, whom one considers a personal friend and intimate.

    Replies: @Ivy

  • @Economic Sophisms
    I think it should be "thine empire" if we're going to use thee/thou/thine

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    No, “thine” is the second person singular possessive pronoun, thus:

    This is mine and that is thine.

    However, “thy” is the second person singular possessive adjective, thus:

    This is my book and that is thy book.

    The second person singular personal pronoun as the subject of a verb is “thou”:

    Thou art wrong! Thou hast made a mistake!

    The other second person singular pronoun that is not the subject of the verb is “thee”:

    I love thee; I am talking to thee; I shall walk with thee; I shall give thee my love etc.

    Where I lived in the North West of England over 40 years ago, such forms were still in use. I last spoke using “thou”,”thee”, “thy” and “thine” with old friends when visiting the place of my birth 10 years ago.

  • I should have never allowed myself to be talked out of it in the first place. The primary reasons are the same as before: Low activity rates, to the extent that genuine discussions are once again being overtaken by spam in terms of volume. This is in spite of substantially increased security measures since then....
  • @Carlo
    @zmoreira

    That is really good news! Thanks José!

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    Good man!

  • I have no idea what possessed Putin. Did he think that it would spare him Western criticism in the run-up to Sochi? Of course not. Khodorkovsky was on the back-burner. LGBT rights are West's stick du jour to beat up on Russia. Did he think it would improve the legal and investment climate? I sure...
  • @johnUK
    Are you going to do a post on the twin bombing in Russia?

    Wait I forgot state sponsored terrorist attacks in Russia is a subject Russia commentators dare not talk about.

    Replies: @marknesop, @Moscow Exile

    “The assertions that Russian security services are responsible for the bombings is at least partially incorrect, and appears to have given rise to an obscurantist mythology of Russian culpability. At the very least, it is clear that these assertions are incomplete in so far as they have not taken full account of the evidence suggesting the responsibility of Wahhabis under the leadership of Khattab, who may have been seeking retribution for the federal assault upon Dagestan’s Islamic Djamaat.”

    Dr. Robert Bruce Ware of Southern Illinois University

    According to research into the bombings undertaken at the Conflict Studies Research Centre, UK, the conspiracy theory that the FSB was behind the bombings was kept alive by Boris Berezovsky.

    (The CSRC was a component of the Defence Academy of the United Kingdom that arose in 1972 at the British Royal Military Academy from the Soviet Studies Research Centre (SSRC) and whose purpose was to examine any Soviet military threat. In 2006, CSRC was absorbed into the Advanced Research and Assessment Group (ARAG), another component of the Royal Military Academy, which was subsequently disbanded. CSRC is now an independent, privately funded body providing expertise in security issues with a primary focus on relations with Russia, and specialist knowledge on military, domestic political, and cyber security questions.)

    Researcher Gordon Bennett of CSRC has pointed out that neither Berezovsky nor his team (which included Alexander Litvinenko, who was co-author of the book “Bombing Russia”, a book that has been panned far and wide by academics and researchers) provided any evidence to support their claims.

    In the BBC World Hard Talk interview on 8 May 2002, Berezovsky was also unable to present any evidence for his claims, and he did not suggest he was in possession of such evidence which he would be ready to present in a court.

    It should be recalled that Berzovsky’s mendaciousness was strongly reprimanded by a senior British judge during his 2013 case against Abramovich in London. The judge in question, Mrs Justice Gloster, stated in her summing up: “On my analysis of the entirety of the evidence, I found Mr Berezovsky an unimpressive, and inherently unreliable, witness, who regarded truth as a transitory, flexible concept, which could be moulded to suit his current purposes”.

    In other words, she was politely calling Berzovsky a malicious liar.

    Of course, I should imagine that there are very many who would suggest that the FSB has infiltrated CSRC, Southern Illinois University and many other academic institutions and research organizations that have crticized suggestions that “Putin did it”; that this criticism is the result of the machinations of the dastardly FSB and its agents, who are lurking under everyone’s beds in the free world and are always ready to sow seeds of doubt and confusion amongst those who fight for freedom and democracy.

  • @Anonymous
    Does the fact that Vladimir Putin makes special mention of 'evils of genderlessness' in his leatest speech speak volumes about his own insecurity about his masculinity?

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    I shouldn’t think so, though the nature of this enquiry probably speaks volumes about its poser.

  • @johnUK
    Pussy Riot claims release is a PR stunt and calls for boycott of the Olympics.

    http://youtu.be/RYIHh4vvObM

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    The Russian president must be really shitting himself now!

    • Replies: @reggietcs
    @Moscow Exile

    If she truly believes it's a PR stunt, she's probably more than welcomed to return to her cell and serve out the remainder of her sentence.

    How's that for principle?

  • @Jen
    Khodorkovsky's pardon is part of an amnesty for 2,000 prisoners which was timed to coincide with the 20th anniversary of the Russian Constitution. The imprisoned Pussy Riot women will be pardoned as well.

    I can understand the puzzlement at Khodorkovsky's pardon given his behaviour on release: he immediately scarpered off to Germany, supposedly to be at his mum's bedside, only to discover she was already back in Russia. (Did his lawyers not keep him informed of her treatment and her movements?) The German Foreign Minister had lobbied for Khodorkovsky's release and Germany must have fast-tracked his visa application so he could fly out the moment he walked out of prison. It's not so much the fact that Putin has pardoned Khodorkovsky but the peculiar behaviour of the German government in giving him shelter so soon on his release that should merit attention.

    Moscow Exile over at the Kremlin Stooge has noted that Edward Snowden's application for asylum was turned down by Germany on the grounds that he had to be in the country or in a Germany embassy and his application would take months to consider and process. Possibly someone managed to smuggle some grains of German soil through Russian customs into Khodorkovsky's jail cell so he could sit on it while filling out the papers.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    It’s also been stated today that Khodorkovsky knew full well of his mother’s return to Russia from Berlin when he flew poste-haste off to the German capital, where he is now ensconced in the Adler-Kampinsky Hotel, which establishment fits cosily between the embassies of the United States of America and that of the United Kingdom.

    Seems like he had to tend a briefing.

    • Replies: @Alexander Mercouris
    @Moscow Exile

    Dear Jen,

    I don't think it has anything to do with the amnesty because there was never any serious possibility of Khodorkovsky being covered by it. It's just possible that one of the factors that propelled Khodorkovsky to seek a pardon was that he realised that he would not be covered by the amnesty but to be frank I doubt this.

    Khodorkovsky has now given a press conference and an interview for New Times in which he has tried to explain why he applied for a pardon when he consistently said he would not do so.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_12_22/Khodorkovsky-didnt-admit-crimes-in-pardon-plea-5666/

    The trouble is that this explanation actually tells us nothing. He says that he never ruled out a pardon request before and that a request for a pardon is simply a one line request for clemency and does not imply an admission of guilt. He then explains his previous reasons for refusing to apply for a pardon and his decision to apply for a pardon now with these very strange words:

    "My lawyers conveyed to me that a decision on pardoning may be made. And that the confession of guilt is not put forward as a condition for my release. That was a key issue since Medvedev's times. It was absolutely not critical for me to appeal for pardon. The trial was a frame up and everyone realised it perfectly well. To write one false paper (this refers to a pardon request containing a confession of guilt - AM) in reply to another false paper (the verdict in the second Yukos case - AM) - I would not feel any moral discomfort in relation to that. And there was only one problem that was not false in this false paper (the pardon request - AM) - the confession of guilt. Because as soon as I write that I recognise my guilt, plenty of people whom I respect will themselves be in a very difficult situation. Actually any person who used to work for Yukos would become vulnerable".

    Unpacked, what this intricate language says is that Khodorkovsky would have had no compunction openly confessing his guilt in a request for a pardon if that had got him released because as the entirety of the proceedings against him was fraudulent the admission would also have been fraudulent as made in fraudulent proceedings rendering the confession fraudulent as well.

    Khodorkovsky then says the reason he didn't do it was not because he was innocent but because of the impact his confession might have had on other people.

    The first point to say about this is that it is not what Khodorkovsky has said before. What Khodorkovsky is now saying that he would have signed a confession of guilt if this has got him released but he did not do so not because he is innocent but because of the effect this might have had on other people. This is a most extraordinary statement given his longstanding protestations of innocence, which were the reason he previously gave for refusing to request a pardon.

    The second point is that I for one cannot see how Khodorkovsky's admission that he had no moral qualms about signing a pardon request containing a confession of guilt can be anything other than an acknowledgement that the pardon request he has now signed is an admission of guilt, which is of course what the government says it is.

    That this is so is surely the real reason why Khodorkovsky did not make a pardon request minus a confession of guilt before. By Khodorkovsky's own account there would have been nothing to prevent him doing so. Perhaps Medvedev or Putin would have rejected such a request but it would surely have greatly increased the pressure on them to release him. Given that Khodorkovsky now says that he would have no qualms signing a pardon request containing a confession of guilt but for its effect on other people he would have no reason not to make a request for a pardon which did not contain a confession of guilt.

    I am far from sure that Medvedev and Putin would have rejected such a pardon request. All I understood them to say was that they would consider a request for a pardon if Khodorkovsky made one. Paragraph 89(c) of the Russian Constitution does not require a prisoner to apply for a pardon in order for one to be granted. It is a question in Russia of either practice or secondary law that a convict must first request a pardon before one can be granted. As the government has again made clear in connection with the pardon request Khodorkovsky has just made, this is because a request for a pardon is a request for clemency by a convict whom the state has convicted of a crime and is therefore treated as an admission by the convict of his guilt.

    It's difficult to see Khodorkovsky's previous refusal to apply for a pardon - even one that contained no confession of guilt - as anything other than an acceptance of this logic especially in light of his admission that he would have signed a request for a pardon that included a confession of guilt were it not for the effect this would have had on other people. .

    I have to say that Khodorkovsky's complicated comments look to me like a carefully crafted explanation of why he requested a pardon, which he had previously said he would not do. I doubt they will impress the ECHR especially if the ECHR decides that the embezzlement proceedings were not fraudulent as he says. In fact I think the ECHR will find his explanation bizarre and (in light of its previous findings about him) will take particular note of his admission that he would have been prepared to sign a confession of guilt in order to obtain a pardon but did not do so only because of the effect this would have had on other people.

    As to why Khodorkovsky applied for a pardon now when he had previously consistently refused to do so and when he was due to be released in 8 months time despite the fact that the government would treat it as an implicit admission of guilt, we really are none the wiser. His comments may suggest that the Germans have given assurances that he will stay away from Russia, not interfere in its politics and not pursue further litigation in connection with Yukos. He has specifically ruled out legal action to recover Yukos's assets. He has also said that he will not involve himself in Russian politics.

    If there has been a deal (which it seems there has been) it is not clear what the Russians have given in return bearing in mind that Khodorkovsky was due to be released in 8 months anyway. My best guess is still that they promised not to prosecute Yukos 3. If so then given how problematic and politically embarrassing Yukos 3 almost certainly is they have got a good deal.

  • I should have never allowed myself to be talked out of it in the first place. The primary reasons are the same as before: Low activity rates, to the extent that genuine discussions are once again being overtaken by spam in terms of volume. This is in spite of substantially increased security measures since then....
  • Sorry to hear about this, but I saw it coming: who couldn’t have? You were right all along and shouldn’t have heeded the pleas off others not to shut it down.

    And what about “The Russian Spectrum”? Is Weiss going to have no competition?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    The only thing I regret is the quality comments that are going to be lost along with it. I'll think of some way to preserve them e.g. by exporting/uploading an xml file with all the forum postings.

    The Russian Spectrum has, I admit, gone cold for a lack of prospects and a slowdown in my own attention to it. I haven't given up on it however and with the reorganization of RIA it might even have more chances now.

  • RIA Novosti, Russia's main state-run news agency, is going to be dissolved. So is Voice of Russia, a publication that I've written for, and Rossiyskaya Gazeta and its Russia Beyond the Headlines project*. They are to be merged into a new organization confusingly called Rossiya Segodnya ("Russia Today"), which is NOT the same as the...
  • @johnUK
    @Moscow Exile

    “It is a fantasy that members of the “opposition” have not been arrested because of their criminal activities.”

    Pretty convenient when there is a credible political alternative state prosecutors open up criminal charges.

    “See, for example, the ECHR ruling on Khodorkovsky’s conviction.

    Only thing they can say about Khodorkovsky is that it was selective prosecution that they went after him because he opposed Putin which is right after he treasonously tried to sell Russia’s oil rights to western oil companies.

    “Likewise the allegation that there are political prisoners in Russia: who exactly are these people?

    The Bolotnaya protesters?

    Are you serious?”

    Human rights groups have a list of 71 people. I don’t know who they or why they wewre arrested but I would imagine in at least some of the cases

    “Is the head of state responsible for the “general corruption” in Russia?

    Really?”

    Yes he centred all the major political forces and state spending and institutions around him and his party so the buck stops with him.

    “One party rule?

    Is there only one party in Russia?

    Really?”

    There are more than one party but the advantages of being aligned with the Putin party United Russia are so stacked heavily in his favour from access to mass media, state funding, etc if you want any real clout in Russia you have to be a part of the United Russia party.

    “In the UK and its first-past-the-post system for elections, a party that achieves a simple majority effectively dictates policy until the next general election, no matter what Her Majesty’s Opposition may think of said policies, not to mention the opinions of the unelected upper house as regards bills presented to them from the lower house. In effect, majority governments under the UK system – one that has no written constitution, I should like to add – enjoys a one-party dictatorship, something hardly possible in most other European democracies, where proportional representation is the norm.”

    Not actually sure how the parliamentary system in Britain actually functions that as you can guess with the name I am a resident.

    “Interference and aggression against neighbouring states?

    How long has the USA boycotted Cuba and why? Same goes for regime change in the USA’s Central American backyard and elsewhere. Any drone attacks launched by the Russians lately?”

    True but Russia has also supported separatist forces/states since the collapse of the USSR that tend to be authoritarian and economically stagnant compared to US western supported regimes plus there is the issue of the countries being former states of the USSR.

    Have any Russian diplomats attended mass meetings of, say, Scottish nationalists, in a similar way as foreign diplomats have done in their egging on of Kiev protesters on the Maidan of late?Í

    If they did they would not get any support and would do more harm than good that I doubt they would want to be seen with them.

    Scotland is not subjugated or oppressed in anyway like the Russian aligned regime in Ukraine where most people don’t support independence.

    “Oligarchs? You mean people who have become rich through questionable means and who influence government policies?

    Again, are you serious? Do you think this is a feature unique to Russia and , furthermore, something for which the head of state is responsible?”

    Big difference between companies and their bosses like Apple, Microsoft, etc and the oligarchs of Russia.

    “A questionable economic system?

    Please define what is meant by “questionable”.

    Do you mean it doesn’t work?

    Do you mean it is somehow illegal?

    Do you mean it is not a capitalistic one and, therefore,”wrong”?

    Are you saying that the Russian economy is a centrally state planned one?

    What do you mean by “questionable”?”

    Questionable about its transparency that given it huge resources, state industries and educated population still seems to be in an economic quagmire dependent on oil and gas revenues.

    Burgeoning police state?

    What evidence have you for this?

    Seems to have a heavy presence of police whenever there is protests that have to be sanctioned by the state and harassment of political opposition.

    Immigration?

    Again, are you serious?

    Although you have used the term “gotten”, you also have the letters “UK” following your “name”. If you are a British citizen and not a US one, have you ever visited a British city lately… or Rotterdam, or Paris or Berlin for that matter? If you have, have you not noticed anything different in these places as compared with some 25 years go?

    Most of the immigration is economic from the new EU countries like Poles not foreign countries and are still not very substantial.

    Russia has the second largest immigration into the country in the world only after the US but unlike the US most are muslims from the Caucasus and Central Asia each of which has their own islamic groups and have a more militant and tribal clan structure with bigger demographics than Russia.

    So you believe that Putin is running ” what looks like a Soviet state apparatus”?

    Like people within the intelligence service holding public positions of power, sanctioned protests and essentially a one party system.

    “However, I suppose you are one of the millions of Westerners who, having digested one sentence spoken by Putin and reported in the West out of context, that believes that the Russian head of state regrets the collapse of the Soviet Union, which he described as a “catastrophe”.

    Nope I commented at the time that it was during a SCO security summit and he was talking about the post-soviet alignment of countries and the fact that millions of Russians are living outside of Russia proper.

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    Neither having the time nor the desire to counter immediately all your assertions above, which assertions, it seems, you deem adequate proof of your propositions – a common logical fallacy, by the way, in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction until all contradictions dry up, at which point that which is asserted is presented as fact owing to its not being contradicted (argumentum ad nauseam) – I shall for the while take issue with one assertion that you have made above, namely that in answer to my question whether you thought that the oligarchy in Russia is something unique to that country and, furthermore, whether you thought the present Russian head of state was responsible for the existence of such oligarchy, you asserted that there is a “Big difference between companies and their bosses like Apple, Microsoft, etc and the oligarchs of Russia”.

    And how do you intend to back up this assertion with evidence?

    Do you, in fact, intend to do so?

    Furthermore, I should think that comparing the present Russian oligarchs and their rapid increase in wealth from ground zero, within 10 years and less, which burgeoning wealth of theirs was concomitant with a commensurate growth in their political power, with the likes of Gates and Jobs etc., fabulously wealthy though the latter are or, in the case of Jobs, were, is rather like comparing apples with oranges.

    I should think that it would be far more accurate to compare present day Russian oligarchs and their activities with those of US oligarchs who rose to power in the last quarter of the 19th century.

    “Following a major economic Depression beginning in 1873 … powerful American industrial and banking families grouped around J.P. Morgan and John D. Rockefeller concentrated the wealth and control of American industry into their own hands.

    “… the Morgan and Rockefeller interests deployed fraud, deceit, violence, and bribery – and they deliberately manipulated financial panics. Each financial panic, brought about through their calculated control of financial markets and banking credit, allowed them and their closest allies to consolidate ever more power into fewer and fewer hands. It was this concentration of financial power within an elite few wealthy families that created an American plutocracy or, more accurately, an American oligarchy…

    “Whether it was called an oligarchy or a plutocracy – government by a wealthy “class” – the real power in the spectacular rise of the American Century at the end of the 1890s did not rest democratically in the hands of the majority of its citizens. It did not even lie in the hands of a broad, educated and growing middle class. Power, together with control over the nation’s economy, was being ruthlessly centralized in the hands of the wealthy few, every bit as much as it had been in the days of Imperial Rome…

    “[In the late 1800s an American] oligarchy used its immense economic power, often secretly and in coordinated fashion, to orchestrate events that generated waves of bankruptcies and severe economic depressions, even panics. The emerging American oligarchy cynically corrupted and co-opted state legislatures, governors, US Congressmen, judges, newspaper editors and even Presidents to serve their private interests. Those interests were served by wars their captive press helped trigger, wars from which that oligarchy profited while thousands of young Americans perished for causes they knew nothing about…

    “By the 1880s two colossal groups had emerged within the United States’ wealthiest families. Initially they were bitter, hated rivals. In the end they became allies, not out of love but out of practicality, in one of the greatest concentrations of financial and industrial power ever seen. The two families, Rockefeller and Morgan, created a combination of wealth and control so powerful in its influence over the economic and financial life of the United States at the beginning of the 20th Century that Congressional critics named it the Money Trust…”

    “By the end of the 1890s [J.P.] Morgan and [John D.] Rockefeller had become the giants of an increasingly powerful Money Trust controlling American industry and government policy. There was little room for the actual practice of democracy in their world. Power was the commodity of their trade. It was the creation of an American aristocracy of blood and money, every bit as elite and exclusive as the titled nobility of Britain, Germany or France – despite the Constitutional ban on titled nobility in America. It was an oligarchy, a plutocracy in every sense of the word – rule by the wealthiest in their self-interest.

    “Some 60 families – names like Rockefeller, Morgan, Dodge, Mellon, Pratt, Harkness, Whitney, Duke, Harriman, Carnegie, Vanderbilt, DuPont, Guggenheim, Astor, Lehman, Warburg, Taft, Huntington, Baruch and Rosenwald formed a close network of plutocratic wealth that manipulated, bribed, and bullied its way to control the destiny of the United States. At the dawn of the 20th Century, some sixty ultra-rich families, through dynastic intermarriage and corporate, interconnected shareholdings, had gained control of American industry and banking institutions.”

    Source: Gods of Money: Wall Street and the Death of the American Century; Engdahl, F.W.

    All this took place in post-bellum USA, the “shining beacon” of freedom and democracy.

    But after 25 years of what the Germans call “Raubkapitalismus” – “Robber Capitalism”- there arose by the turn of the 20th century winds of change in the US and a general feeling that the political power that these US oligarchs possessed had to be curtailed.

    The president who took these thieves and looters to task was “Teddy” Roosevelt, the “Trust Buster”.

    In Russia, however, 10 years and a financial crisis was time enough to sicken Russian society as a whole of the drunkard Yeltsin and his corrupt coterie of oligarchs. Yeltsin was threatened with multiple impeachments and in a palace coup, as it were, was replaced by his prime minister, Vladimir Putin, who was elected president three months later.

    Most of the rats then fled the Russian ship of state – with one notable exception, who in his hubris decided to soldier on with his accumulation of enormous wealth and political machinations, whilst at the same time attempting a PR job in projecting himself as a man-of-the-people and defender of democracy.

    His bullshit was so good that he probably still believes in it himself right now at his present address – some prison colony in the Far East.

    Which leads me to restate that the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg has stated not once but twice (in 2011 and 2013) that Khodorkovsky’s trial and conviction in Russia was not politically motivated:

    “The Strasbourg-based court, which considered Khodorkovsky’s case together with that of his business partner Platon Lebedev, ruled that the tax-fraud accusations against them had a ‘healthy core’, and ‘corresponded to a common-sense understanding of tax evasion’.”

    See:

    http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2011/05/31/Court-rules-against-Khodorkovsky/UPI-94171306851214/

    http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-european-court-khodorkovsky/25056475.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/26/world/europe/european-court-says-russia-did-not-persecute-ex-tycoon.html?_r=0

    That’s not an assertion on my part: the latest (2013) ECHR ruling on Khodorkovsky, for example, is available on-line and can be downloaded, wherein may be read the following key section:

    “908. The Court’s approach to the present case is similar. The Court is
    prepared to admit that some political groups or government officials had
    their own reasons to push for the applicants’ prosecution. However, it is
    insufficient to conclude that the applicants would not have been convicted
    otherwise. Elements of “improper motivation” which may exist in the
    present case do not make the applicants’ prosecution illegitimate “from the KHODORKOVSKIY AND LEBEDEV v. RUSSIA JUDGMENT 197
    beginning to the end”: the fact remains that the accusations against the
    applicants were serious, that the case against them had a “healthy core”,
    and that even if there was a mixed intent behind their prosecution, this did
    not grant them immunity from answering the accusations. Having said that,
    the Court observes that the present case, which concerned the events of
    2003-2005, does not cover everything which has happened to the
    applicants ever since, in particular their second trial.”

    See: http://khodorkovsky.ru/files/_docs_/c51a2886c76108aac4aa6ed32c5d11c1/CASE_OF_KHODORKOVSKIY_AND_LEBEDEV_v._RUSSIA.pdf

  • @Moscow Exile
    @Moscow Exile

    Error: "It is a fantasy that members of the “opposition” have not been arrested because of their criminal activities" should read It is a fantasy that members of the “opposition” have been arrested because of their criminal activities."

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    PS You forgot to mention the journalists murdered on Putin’s orders for having criticized him and his “regime”, not to mention Putin’s order to murder Litvinenko in London, and then there’s the question of the palaces he’s had built for himself.

  • @Moscow Exile
    @johnUK

    The reason why there isn't a serious discussion about these matters is because they are largely fantasies conjured up in the fevered minds of malicious Western politicians and journalists and swallowed wholesale by the gullible, uneducated masses that need a bogeyman and a bogeyman society in order to reassure themselves that they should be grateful for what little they have in their obviously bountiful "free world".

    It is a fantasy that members of the "opposition" have not been arrested because of their criminal activities.

    See, for example, the ECHR ruling on Khodorkovsky's conviction.

    Likewise the allegation that there are political prisoners in Russia: who exactly are these people?

    The Bolotnaya protesters?

    Are you serious?

    Is the head of state responsible for the "general corruption" in Russia?

    Really?

    One party rule?

    Is there only one party in Russia?

    Really?

    In the UK and its first-past-the-post system for elections, a party that achieves a simple majority effectively dictates policy until the next general election, no matter what Her Majesty's Opposition may think of said policies, not to mention the opinions of the unelected upper house as regards bills presented to them from the lower house. In effect, majority governments under the UK system - one that has no written constitution, I should like to add - enjoys a one-party dictatorship, something hardly possible in most other European democracies, where proportional representation is the norm.

    Human rights issues?

    Russia is not one of those 79 countries in the world in which sodomy between consenting adult males is a criminal offence.

    Why don't you take up this argument with the Saudis, for example, and the Indians?

    Free speech?

    I am writing these words in Moskva (if Westerners insist on "Beijing" and "Kyiiv" as being "politically correct", then this place is called Moskva!) I do not expect a visit from the FSB for penning these words. And I can read a swathe of political articles in the Russian media everyday that endlessly beats the drum about what a shit Putin is.

    Ever hear of Radio Ekho Moskvy and of Yulia Latynina and the opinions emanating from various Western funded think tanks, NGOs and schools of economy here in Moskva? Have you ever read "The Moscow Times"?

    Interference and aggression against neighbouring states?

    How long has the USA boycotted Cuba and why? Same goes for regime change in the USA's Central American backyard and elsewhere. Any drone attacks launched by the Russians lately?

    Have any Russian diplomats attended mass meetings of, say, Scottish nationalists, in a similar way as foreign diplomats have done in their egging on of Kiev protesters on the Maidan of late?

    Oligarchs? You mean people who have become rich through questionable means and who influence government policies?

    Again, are you serious? Do you think this is a feature unique to Russia and , furthermore, something for which the head of state is responsible?

    A questionable economic system?

    Please define what is meant by "questionable".

    Do you mean it doesn't work?

    Do you mean it is somehow illegal?

    Do you mean it is not a capitalistic one and, therefore,"wrong"?

    Are you saying that the Russian economy is a centrally state planned one?

    What do you mean by "questionable"?

    Burgeoning police state?

    What evidence have you for this?

    Are Russian citizens living in constant fear of arrest for crimes unknown? Are Russian citizens vanishing mysteriously into the night after being visited by the KGB? Is living in Rossiya (that's the correct name of this country) some kind of Kafkaesque nightmare?

    I am going to be travelling to work on the metro soon. Will I be accompanied on my journey by gibbering loons who live in mortal terror of the powers that be? Am I going to be observed all day by countless CCTV systems such as exist in the UK?.

    Immigration?

    Again, are you serious?

    Although you have used the term "gotten", you also have the letters "UK" following your "name". If you are a British citizen and not a US one, have you ever visited a British city lately... or Rotterdam, or Paris or Berlin for that matter? If you have, have you not noticed anything different in these places as compared with some 25 years go?

    Or are you only 16?

    So you believe that Putin is running " what looks like a Soviet state apparatus"?

    Were you ever in the Soviet Union?

    Have you ever lived in Russia - post-Soviet Russia that is?

    I lived in the USSR. I have also lived in Russia for 22 years. Of course, you don't have to take my word for it, but I can assure you, present day Russia is not like the Soviet Union. For one thing, there is something that exists now in Russia - in "Putin's Russia" - that was anathema in Soviet times: it's called capitalism.

    However, I suppose you are one of the millions of Westerners who, having digested one sentence spoken by Putin and reported in the West out of context, that believes that the Russian head of state regrets the collapse of the Soviet Union, which he described as a "catastrophe".

    I eagerly await your response.

    I am off to work now.

    I may not return...

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @johnUK, @johnUK

    Error: “It is a fantasy that members of the “opposition” have not been arrested because of their criminal activities” should read It is a fantasy that members of the “opposition” have been arrested because of their criminal activities.”

    • Replies: @Moscow Exile
    @Moscow Exile

    PS You forgot to mention the journalists murdered on Putin's orders for having criticized him and his "regime", not to mention Putin's order to murder Litvinenko in London, and then there's the question of the palaces he's had built for himself.

  • @johnUK
    Isn't really about time there was a serious discussion/evaluation of Putin and his rule that has gotten much worse since he came back to office including the use of law courts to arrest political opposition, political prisoners, general corruption, one party rule and human rights issues, interfering in and being aggressive against neighbouring states, oligarchs and a questionable economic system and perhaps a police state as well as contributing to a burgeoning internal ethnic problem that did not exist to the extent it does under his leadership.

    It is becoming increasingly hard to justify Putin when he is running what looks like a Soviet state apparatus.

    Instead of real and serious issues the criticise the west like Afghan heroin trafficking into Russia, support for Chechen terrorist groups like KavakCenter in Finland, money laundered overseas, etc he focusing and making an issue about nonsense issues like WW2, Russians in the Baltics, etc.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    The reason why there isn’t a serious discussion about these matters is because they are largely fantasies conjured up in the fevered minds of malicious Western politicians and journalists and swallowed wholesale by the gullible, uneducated masses that need a bogeyman and a bogeyman society in order to reassure themselves that they should be grateful for what little they have in their obviously bountiful “free world”.

    It is a fantasy that members of the “opposition” have not been arrested because of their criminal activities.

    See, for example, the ECHR ruling on Khodorkovsky’s conviction.

    Likewise the allegation that there are political prisoners in Russia: who exactly are these people?

    The Bolotnaya protesters?

    Are you serious?

    Is the head of state responsible for the “general corruption” in Russia?

    Really?

    One party rule?

    Is there only one party in Russia?

    Really?

    In the UK and its first-past-the-post system for elections, a party that achieves a simple majority effectively dictates policy until the next general election, no matter what Her Majesty’s Opposition may think of said policies, not to mention the opinions of the unelected upper house as regards bills presented to them from the lower house. In effect, majority governments under the UK system – one that has no written constitution, I should like to add – enjoys a one-party dictatorship, something hardly possible in most other European democracies, where proportional representation is the norm.

    Human rights issues?

    Russia is not one of those 79 countries in the world in which sodomy between consenting adult males is a criminal offence.

    Why don’t you take up this argument with the Saudis, for example, and the Indians?

    Free speech?

    I am writing these words in Moskva (if Westerners insist on “Beijing” and “Kyiiv” as being “politically correct”, then this place is called Moskva!) I do not expect a visit from the FSB for penning these words. And I can read a swathe of political articles in the Russian media everyday that endlessly beats the drum about what a shit Putin is.

    Ever hear of Radio Ekho Moskvy and of Yulia Latynina and the opinions emanating from various Western funded think tanks, NGOs and schools of economy here in Moskva? Have you ever read “The Moscow Times”?

    Interference and aggression against neighbouring states?

    How long has the USA boycotted Cuba and why? Same goes for regime change in the USA’s Central American backyard and elsewhere. Any drone attacks launched by the Russians lately?

    Have any Russian diplomats attended mass meetings of, say, Scottish nationalists, in a similar way as foreign diplomats have done in their egging on of Kiev protesters on the Maidan of late?

    Oligarchs? You mean people who have become rich through questionable means and who influence government policies?

    Again, are you serious? Do you think this is a feature unique to Russia and , furthermore, something for which the head of state is responsible?

    A questionable economic system?

    Please define what is meant by “questionable”.

    Do you mean it doesn’t work?

    Do you mean it is somehow illegal?

    Do you mean it is not a capitalistic one and, therefore,”wrong”?

    Are you saying that the Russian economy is a centrally state planned one?

    What do you mean by “questionable”?

    Burgeoning police state?

    What evidence have you for this?

    Are Russian citizens living in constant fear of arrest for crimes unknown? Are Russian citizens vanishing mysteriously into the night after being visited by the KGB? Is living in Rossiya (that’s the correct name of this country) some kind of Kafkaesque nightmare?

    I am going to be travelling to work on the metro soon. Will I be accompanied on my journey by gibbering loons who live in mortal terror of the powers that be? Am I going to be observed all day by countless CCTV systems such as exist in the UK?.

    Immigration?

    Again, are you serious?

    Although you have used the term “gotten”, you also have the letters “UK” following your “name”. If you are a British citizen and not a US one, have you ever visited a British city lately… or Rotterdam, or Paris or Berlin for that matter? If you have, have you not noticed anything different in these places as compared with some 25 years go?

    Or are you only 16?

    So you believe that Putin is running ” what looks like a Soviet state apparatus”?

    Were you ever in the Soviet Union?

    Have you ever lived in Russia – post-Soviet Russia that is?

    I lived in the USSR. I have also lived in Russia for 22 years. Of course, you don’t have to take my word for it, but I can assure you, present day Russia is not like the Soviet Union. For one thing, there is something that exists now in Russia – in “Putin’s Russia” – that was anathema in Soviet times: it’s called capitalism.

    However, I suppose you are one of the millions of Westerners who, having digested one sentence spoken by Putin and reported in the West out of context, that believes that the Russian head of state regrets the collapse of the Soviet Union, which he described as a “catastrophe”.

    I eagerly await your response.

    I am off to work now.

    I may not return…

    • Replies: @Moscow Exile
    @Moscow Exile

    Error: "It is a fantasy that members of the “opposition” have not been arrested because of their criminal activities" should read It is a fantasy that members of the “opposition” have been arrested because of their criminal activities."

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    , @johnUK
    @Moscow Exile

    I will respond to the points you raised later that I hope Karlin and other Russian commentators who have insight in Russia like AM will also join the discussion. Frankly I would like a separate post on the issue.

    Replies: @Fedia Kriukov

    , @johnUK
    @Moscow Exile

    “It is a fantasy that members of the “opposition” have not been arrested because of their criminal activities.”

    Pretty convenient when there is a credible political alternative state prosecutors open up criminal charges.

    “See, for example, the ECHR ruling on Khodorkovsky’s conviction.

    Only thing they can say about Khodorkovsky is that it was selective prosecution that they went after him because he opposed Putin which is right after he treasonously tried to sell Russia’s oil rights to western oil companies.

    “Likewise the allegation that there are political prisoners in Russia: who exactly are these people?

    The Bolotnaya protesters?

    Are you serious?”

    Human rights groups have a list of 71 people. I don’t know who they or why they wewre arrested but I would imagine in at least some of the cases

    “Is the head of state responsible for the “general corruption” in Russia?

    Really?”

    Yes he centred all the major political forces and state spending and institutions around him and his party so the buck stops with him.

    “One party rule?

    Is there only one party in Russia?

    Really?”

    There are more than one party but the advantages of being aligned with the Putin party United Russia are so stacked heavily in his favour from access to mass media, state funding, etc if you want any real clout in Russia you have to be a part of the United Russia party.

    “In the UK and its first-past-the-post system for elections, a party that achieves a simple majority effectively dictates policy until the next general election, no matter what Her Majesty’s Opposition may think of said policies, not to mention the opinions of the unelected upper house as regards bills presented to them from the lower house. In effect, majority governments under the UK system – one that has no written constitution, I should like to add – enjoys a one-party dictatorship, something hardly possible in most other European democracies, where proportional representation is the norm.”

    Not actually sure how the parliamentary system in Britain actually functions that as you can guess with the name I am a resident.

    “Interference and aggression against neighbouring states?

    How long has the USA boycotted Cuba and why? Same goes for regime change in the USA’s Central American backyard and elsewhere. Any drone attacks launched by the Russians lately?”

    True but Russia has also supported separatist forces/states since the collapse of the USSR that tend to be authoritarian and economically stagnant compared to US western supported regimes plus there is the issue of the countries being former states of the USSR.

    Have any Russian diplomats attended mass meetings of, say, Scottish nationalists, in a similar way as foreign diplomats have done in their egging on of Kiev protesters on the Maidan of late?Í

    If they did they would not get any support and would do more harm than good that I doubt they would want to be seen with them.

    Scotland is not subjugated or oppressed in anyway like the Russian aligned regime in Ukraine where most people don’t support independence.

    “Oligarchs? You mean people who have become rich through questionable means and who influence government policies?

    Again, are you serious? Do you think this is a feature unique to Russia and , furthermore, something for which the head of state is responsible?”

    Big difference between companies and their bosses like Apple, Microsoft, etc and the oligarchs of Russia.

    “A questionable economic system?

    Please define what is meant by “questionable”.

    Do you mean it doesn’t work?

    Do you mean it is somehow illegal?

    Do you mean it is not a capitalistic one and, therefore,”wrong”?

    Are you saying that the Russian economy is a centrally state planned one?

    What do you mean by “questionable”?”

    Questionable about its transparency that given it huge resources, state industries and educated population still seems to be in an economic quagmire dependent on oil and gas revenues.

    Burgeoning police state?

    What evidence have you for this?

    Seems to have a heavy presence of police whenever there is protests that have to be sanctioned by the state and harassment of political opposition.

    Immigration?

    Again, are you serious?

    Although you have used the term “gotten”, you also have the letters “UK” following your “name”. If you are a British citizen and not a US one, have you ever visited a British city lately… or Rotterdam, or Paris or Berlin for that matter? If you have, have you not noticed anything different in these places as compared with some 25 years go?

    Most of the immigration is economic from the new EU countries like Poles not foreign countries and are still not very substantial.

    Russia has the second largest immigration into the country in the world only after the US but unlike the US most are muslims from the Caucasus and Central Asia each of which has their own islamic groups and have a more militant and tribal clan structure with bigger demographics than Russia.

    So you believe that Putin is running ” what looks like a Soviet state apparatus”?

    Like people within the intelligence service holding public positions of power, sanctioned protests and essentially a one party system.

    “However, I suppose you are one of the millions of Westerners who, having digested one sentence spoken by Putin and reported in the West out of context, that believes that the Russian head of state regrets the collapse of the Soviet Union, which he described as a “catastrophe”.

    Nope I commented at the time that it was during a SCO security summit and he was talking about the post-soviet alignment of countries and the fact that millions of Russians are living outside of Russia proper.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

  • Here it is:
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    Returning to an old theme, here is a Russian/Ukrainian language map of Ukraine as per the language settings of Vkontakte. I'm sure no-one who reads Russia blogs has need of being told which color represents which. I found the link via Sputnik i Pogrom, I don't know where they found it but it looks legit.

    A possible rejoinder/caution (made by CJ Willy) is that Vkontakte is culturally Russosphere, so West Ukrainians aren't going to be using it. This is a good point but I don't think it's true. Vkontakte is predominant in Ukraine as a country, just as it is in most of the ex-USSR. So even people in Lvov have a big incentive to use it if only because that is also what most of the people in their environment (aka outside west Ukraine) is going to be using. Even if they primarily use Facebook, the vast majority of them would still have a VK account - which is, after all, the only requirement to appear on this map.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    I have spent some very happy times on holiday with my family in the Ukraine: in the Crimea at Yalta, Evpatoria, and near Kerch, and on the Ukrainian littoral, in what was formerly an Ottoman province seized occassionally by the Russian Empire and most recently, in 1939, by Stalin, in Bessarabia really, at Serhiivka”, and in none of these places have I heard Ukrainian spoken by the natives, though I have heard it spoken on Ukrainian TV channels there and have seen that language written on street signs in those places. When last in Odessa I commented about this to a taxi driver, asking him if anybody spoke Ukrainian in that city. “Nah”, he answered, “only Russian – and Odessian!”

    • Replies: @Leos Tomicek
    @Moscow Exile

    In Odessa region you would have to go deep into the country side to stumble upon a Ukrainian speaking milieu.

  • @Moscow Exile
    The Moscow Times head-banger-in-chief reckons there are a million protesting in Kiev and compares their numbers with that of her buddies, whose numbers in Moscow, she now admits, were at a maximum of 100,000:

    "It turns out that 1 million Ukrainians have no qualms about taking to the streets in protest if they find their president's actions insulting — and that's even after riot police had broken up earlier demonstrations. In Moscow, a city of 14 million, even generous estimates put the maximum number of demonstrators during the peak of the protests in December 2011 at 100,000. After that, a turnout of 30,000 or 40,000 at subsequent protests in 2012 was the most that organizers could muster."

    See: "Yanukovych's Russian Gambit".

    I don't recall her playing down the Moscow white-ribbonist figures at the time of their protests, however.

    Replies: @Hunter, @Moscow Exile

    Wrong link above!

    It should have been this: “Yanukovych Is No Alpha Male”, in which she wrote: “1 million Ukrainians have no qualms about taking to the streets in protest”, which could have meant in the Ukraine as a whole, but then she goes on to write about Moscow “opposition” protests of last year and in December 2012, comparing the numbers that took part in them with the “1 million Ukrainians” who lately have had “no qualms about taking to the streets in protest”.

    Latynina seems to be found of the number “1 million” and its approximation “millions”, for she then goes on to write about the “oil windfall” in Russia that “even trickles down to millions of migrant workers”.

    However, as regards her “1 million Ukrainians” who “have no qualms about taking to the streets in protest” that she wrote about at the beginning of her article, she then makes it abundantly clear that those 1 million protesting Ukrainians are situated in Kiev, for she writes later, when comparing the number of Kiev protesters of recent days with the numbers of 2011-2012 white-ribbon protesters in Moscow: “The 100,000 Russian protesters went home frustrated, but the 1 million in Kiev have stripped Yanukovych of whatever legitimacy he once held”.

    She’s stating that 1 million have protested in Kiev.

    Also, I might point out that In her haste to pump up the figures, it seems that Latynina’s attentiveness to PC has slipped somewhat, for she has written “Kiev”.

    Shouldn’t that be “Kyiv”?

    After all,one should say “Beijing” and not “Peking”, shouldn’t one, and “Mumbai” and not the Eurocentic imperialistic “Bombay”.

    Which is all well and good, but following the same PC “reasoning”, the “Moscow Times” should then be the “Moskva” Times”, shouldn’t it, and “Cologne” and “Munich” and “Warsaw” and “Prague”, for example, should be “Koeln”, “Muenchen”, “Varshava” and “Praga” respectively, shouldn’t they?

  • @T. Greer
    So that is what your voice sounds like.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    Nice to hear Anatoly has not lost some of those Lancashire vowels that he must have picked up during some of his formative years in my home county.

  • The Moscow Times head-banger-in-chief reckons there are a million protesting in Kiev and compares their numbers with that of her buddies, whose numbers in Moscow, she now admits, were at a maximum of 100,000:

    “It turns out that 1 million Ukrainians have no qualms about taking to the streets in protest if they find their president’s actions insulting — and that’s even after riot police had broken up earlier demonstrations. In Moscow, a city of 14 million, even generous estimates put the maximum number of demonstrators during the peak of the protests in December 2011 at 100,000. After that, a turnout of 30,000 or 40,000 at subsequent protests in 2012 was the most that organizers could muster.”

    See: “Yanukovych’s Russian Gambit”.

    I don’t recall her playing down the Moscow white-ribbonist figures at the time of their protests, however.

    • Replies: @Hunter
    @Moscow Exile

    Is she referring to 1 million protestors all across the Ukraine or just in Kiev? Because 1 million across the country could be possible, but even the BBC the other day mentioned 20,000 people protesting in Kiev, down from a weekend peak of about 50,000-100,000 (depending on who your source is).

    Replies: @AP

    , @Moscow Exile
    @Moscow Exile

    Wrong link above!

    It should have been this: "Yanukovych Is No Alpha Male", in which she wrote: "1 million Ukrainians have no qualms about taking to the streets in protest", which could have meant in the Ukraine as a whole, but then she goes on to write about Moscow "opposition" protests of last year and in December 2012, comparing the numbers that took part in them with the "1 million Ukrainians" who lately have had "no qualms about taking to the streets in protest".

    Latynina seems to be found of the number "1 million" and its approximation "millions", for she then goes on to write about the "oil windfall" in Russia that "even trickles down to millions of migrant workers".

    However, as regards her "1 million Ukrainians" who "have no qualms about taking to the streets in protest" that she wrote about at the beginning of her article, she then makes it abundantly clear that those 1 million protesting Ukrainians are situated in Kiev, for she writes later, when comparing the number of Kiev protesters of recent days with the numbers of 2011-2012 white-ribbon protesters in Moscow: "The 100,000 Russian protesters went home frustrated, but the 1 million in Kiev have stripped Yanukovych of whatever legitimacy he once held".

    She's stating that 1 million have protested in Kiev.

    Also, I might point out that In her haste to pump up the figures, it seems that Latynina's attentiveness to PC has slipped somewhat, for she has written "Kiev".

    Shouldn't that be "Kyiv"?

    After all,one should say "Beijing" and not "Peking", shouldn't one, and "Mumbai" and not the Eurocentic imperialistic "Bombay".

    Which is all well and good, but following the same PC "reasoning", the "Moscow Times" should then be the "Moskva" Times", shouldn't it, and "Cologne" and "Munich" and "Warsaw" and "Prague", for example, should be "Koeln", "Muenchen", "Varshava" and "Praga" respectively, shouldn't they?

  • Here is the discussion at this on The Russia Debate. My friend and DR commentator Alexander Mercouris correctly predicted this outcome - that Serdyukov would be charged, but that it is a complex case that will take a long time and likely avoid more the more serious allegations in favor of those that can be...
  • As I’ve said many times before in several other blogs about this corruption in Russia issue, in the course of 21 years’ residence in Russia I have never once paid a bribe, nor has it ever been suggested that I do so.

    Can I really have been so amazingly fortunate over these past 21 years spent in such a corrupt country as this, a country which, according to some Western journalists, is more corrupt than Nigeria and Afghanistan, and never once been asked to pay a bribe? Or is the simple fact of the matter that persons such as I can get along quite nicely without paying any “extras” whatsoever, nor are persons such as I expected to do so?

    The simple fact of the matter is, I believe, that in normal day-to-day-life here corruption is not as dire as it is painted by Western scribes; at least, it has not been so for me.

    The key thing in this matter – that which has led to my not being expected to pay bribes – is that I am not a businessman: I did not come here to pay bribes, to set up business, to corner a market. And I only earn 60,000 rubles a month – a little more than the recently announced present Moscow average of 58,000 rubles.

    However, the ones that wail constantly in the West about how dreadful it is here are, I believe, mostly businessmen. Furthermore, I suspect it is often a fact that these businessmen come here with the intent to pay bribes, only to return back to the squeaky-clean West with their tales of woe because they’ve been too small time in this regard and unable to compete with the big boys, such as Siemens (see: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/2-siemens-execs-guilty-of-corruption/404369.html) and Hewlett-Packard (see: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2012/09/20/germany-says-hp-paid-kickbacks-to-get-russian-contract/).

    As I wrote recently in an opinion page comments section of that rag the Moscow times (see: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/russia-cant-grow-and-steal-at-the-same-time/490264.html):

    “Where I come from, they say: ‘It takes two to tango’. Whenever I hear endless criticism of corruption in Russia, I often think of the contract agreed upon between a prostitute and her client. Of the two parties, which one’s actions are the more reprehensible: those of the prostitute in offering her services for a price, or those of her client who is willing to pay for said services? Or are the actions of both morally reprehensible?

    If I remember rightly, in recent years both the German engineering firm Siemens – the manufacturer of the high-speed Sapsan trains purchased by the Russian government – and Hewlett-Packard of the USA have been accused of participating in hugely corrupt practices in Russia in order to win valuable contracts there.

    Who were the ‘most guilty’ in these deals: the whore or the client?

    And the usual argument in defence of such corrupt practices offered by Western firms is that if they hadn’t done it, another firm would have.”

  • Even a few months ago, it looked as if Ukraine had taken a significant step towards Eurasian integration by signing up as an observer to the Customs Union between Russia, Kazakhstan, and Belarus. However, in the past month, evidence is emerging that it was but a temporary ploy to appease Russia while in reality speeding...
  • @Alexander Mercouris
    Today (19th November 2013) was the day which Knasiewski was saying last week would be the make or break day. Well it has come and gone, the Rada has again failed to agree on a law to send Tymoshenko for medical treatment to Germany, Party of the Region MPs from industrial constituencies are apparently being heavily lobbied by the machine building and engineering industry against voting for the law, the Rada has again postponed consideration of the law for a further two days with the Speaker accusing the opposition of obstruction, Tymoshenko remains in prison and the EU still is not saying whether the signing of the EU association agreement will go ahead in Vilnius or not and has done precisely nothing.

    Meanwhile the US Senate has now weighed in with a unanimous resolution calling for Tymoshenko's release "as required by the Judgment of the European Court of Human Rights".

    These continuous claims that the Judgment of the European Court of Human Rights somehow requires Tymoshenko's release are being continuously made by the Ukrainian opposition, by the EU, by western governments and now by the US Senate. For the record here is a link to the press release the European Court of Human Rights has provided, which summarises its actual Judgment in the Tymoshenko case:

    http://hudoc.echr.coe.int/sites/eng-press/pages/search.aspx?i=003-4343134-5208270#{"itemid":["003-4343134-5208270"]}

    This Judgment is provisional and still subject to appeal.

    As is clear from the text of the Judgment, the European Court of Human Rights has not said that the prosecution against Tymoshenko was politically motivated or selective or that she is innocent or that she is illegally imprisoned or that she was not given a fair trial. All that the European Court of Human Rights has so far said about her case is that she was illegally denied bail before her trial. In saying this the European Court of Human Rights has also said that the failure to administer Tymoshenko's pre trial detention properly is a recurring problem in the Ukraine and one which is not unique to Tymoshenko's case. The European Court of Human Rights also said that the reason why Tymoshenko was refused bail - to punish her for disrespect shown to the Court - which is a wrong and inappropriate reason (in fact she should have been separately charged for contempt of court). The European Court of Human Rights did not however award Tymoshenko compensation since she did not ask for it and nor did it say she should be released either immediately or at all as it is perfectly capable of doing in appropriate cases and as it has just done in the Inez del Rio case.

    In reaching its Judgment the European Court of Human Rights also specifically rejected Tymoshenko's claims that she had been mistreated whilst in pre trial detention.

    This wilful misrepresentation of a Judgment of the European Court of Human Rights is of course hardly unusual in relation to high profile cases in the former USSR (see Khodorkovsky). It is however becoming tiresome and it is very disappointing to see both the European Union and the US Senate engaging in it.

    The European Court of Human Rights will in due course look at whether the case against Tymoshenko is well founded or not and whether there was a political motive behind it and whether or not she received a fair trial. That case (Tymoshenko 2) has only just reached the European Court of Human Rights and the Ukrainian authorities are still in the process of replying to it.

    In the meantime there is now more information about who were "the EU officials" that Yanukovitch spoke to on Friday. It turns out that one was none other than Barroso, the President of the European Commission, with whom he spoke to over the telephone. The other was Jean-Claude Mignon, the President of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe who actually went to Kiev to speak to Yanukovitch in person.

    Mignon's visit to Kiev tells one everything one needs to know about who actually controls Europe's institutions. The Council of Europe of whose Parliamentary Assembly Mignon is President is not an EU institution or a part of the EU. It actually predates the EU and was once proudly independent and separate from it. Russia is a member as is the Ukraine. Going to Kiev to lobby for Tymoshenko's release and to procure the signing of the EU association agreement is therefore none of Mignon's business yet that is what (doubtless on orders from his masters in Washington) Mignon seems to have done.

    Replies: @JLo, @Moscow Exile

  • 1. The CEC results Here they are. The turnout was 32%. Sergey Sobyanin – 51.37% Alexei Navalny – 27.24% Ivan Melnikov – 10.69% Sergey Mitrokhin – 3.51% Mikhail Degtyaryov – 2.86% Nikolai Levichev – 2.79% Invalid ballots – 1.53% 2. Pre-elections opinion polls: Navalny's support - among those who indicated a clear preference for one...
  • @Leos Tomicek
    @John Newcomb

    It is business as usual in the more "relevant" quarters. ;-)
    http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/vladimir-kara-murza/moscow-official-win-big-loss-kremlin

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    “In Yekaterinburg, Russia’s fourth-largest city, residents elected opposition candidate Yevgeny Roizman as their new mayor”, writes Vladimir Kara-Murza.

    No mention, of course, that Roizman is a convicted criminal strongly suspected of having ties with the notorious Uralmash gang.

    The day after Roizman’s election victory, he was summoned to the Investigatory Committee for an interview.

    So they got a thief in Ekaterinburg and narrowly avoided getting another one in Moscow.

  • As I have already commented on “The Russia Debate”, even chief headbanger Latynina at the Moscow Times has stated that the election was kosher in her opinion piece: “Finally, a clean election”, though she does strangely write that “Fair elections have returned to Moscow” .

    This makes me wonder when that loon thinks elections were previously “fair”.

    Back in the USSR? – Surely she doesn’t believe that to have been the case!

    During Putin’s previous ministry or that of Medvedev?

    I somehow don’t think she is implying that.

    Does she mean during the golden Yeltsin years, as Navalny once described them, when Soviet Russia had been transformed into a land flowing with milk and honey, albeit that said rivers of milk and honey mostly flowed into off-shore accounts; when the Moscow White House suffered artillery bombardment because that drunken oaf of a president who ruled by decree did not agree with the opinions of its democratically elected deputies.?

    With one noteable exception, right across the political spectrum the consensus is that they were fair. And the exception is, of course, Team Navalny.

    The Chosen One and friends have already started the ball rolling big fashion in that the have already prepared 50,000 pages of writs to be presented to the Moscow courts demanding that a re-ballot take place.

    See: “Навальный подготовил грузовик жалоб” [Navalny has prepared a truckload of complaints]

    “Opposition leader Alexei Navalny, who in in the election for mayor had the support of over a quarter of Muscovites, has not abandoned his intention to have the election result canceled. In the near future he intends to file a complaint with the Moscow City Court.

    ‘Tomorrow morning, we are serving Moscow City Court: 1) an application to set aside the election results as a whole, and 2) 951 applications to the district court to cancel the election results …

    ‘… We are bringing approximately 50,000 pages on a truck’, he wrote in his blog. According to Navalny, as a basis for the submission of claims was the unequal access of candidates to the media, as well as food packages that were distributed to pensioners…”

    A quarter of Muscovites voted for him says the above linked article.?

    Surely 27% of the 30% of the electorate that voted for him does not represent 25% of Moscow’s population?

  • A couple of polls to provide the fodder for the subsequent discussions. Feel free to provide an exact figure (to one decimal place) for Navalny's percentage share in the comments and we can have a little competition along the lines of the one we had for the Presidential elections. Background - Sobyanin vs. Navalny in...
  • My answers:

    (1) Sobyanin

    (2) 5-10%

    Extra forecast:

    Navalny will lose his appeal and go down for 5.

  • Though I know I missed the train on this news, one point in particular is worth drawing attention to as regard the stabbing of (the half-Tatar) paratrooper Ruslan Morzhanov by a 16-year-old ethnic Chechen, which incited the small town of Pugachev to stage a peaceful mini-revolt against the feds. So. Two murders, committed within the...
  • @Fedia Kriukov
    @Moscow Exile

    To add to your point, it's the word "black" that is racist and offensive in Russian. At least it used to be that way when I was growing up. The reason is that while Negro is simply a technical term (and most Russians have no idea what it means and which language it came from), calling someone "black" zeroes in on the one apparent difference, and is used for discriminatory purposes.

    Just like AK, I find your description of foreign reactions to this utterly bizarre. Are these people really so self-centered and parochial?

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @Yakutiaisnotmuslim

    “Are these people really so self-centered and parochial?”

    In 1995, a colleague of mine, newly arrived from England, took up a teaching post in Moscow. He spoke no Russian at all. He claimed he had been a member of the Communist Party of great Britain. His particular pet subject turned out to be racism.

    Within a few days after his starting work in Moscow a state school as an English language teacher, he began to voice his great displeasure over what he perceived as the inherent racism of all Russians. When I asked him why he believed all Russians to be racist, he said it was because of how the children in his class repeatedly used the term “nigger” without any shame about it at all. Apparently, on starting work at the school, he had immediately set up lecturing his class about the evils of racism. I pointed out to him the the error of his ways after having asked him whether the children in question had actually been saying “nigger” or “negr”. He confirmed that they had been saying “negr”.

    In the end, I persuaded him that the children had not been using the “N-word”. Nevertheless, he told me later that he had forbidden the children to use that word in his presence because to him it sounded like “nigger”.

    One of the children told his father that his English teacher had forbidden the use of “negr” in class. The father reported this fact to the director of the school and the teacher was dismissed.

    The teacher didn’t stay much longer in Russia, As he was preparing to return to the UK, I asked him what he thought of Russia, “Not much”, he replied.

  • Or neither. Well, isn't this a useless post? I am referring to the Global Corruption Barometer released by Transparency International a couple of weeks ago, which I covered at my other blog. For the most part, there were no surprises; the only really strange figures came from Taiwan, where 36% of people claimed to have...
  • @Fedia Kriukov
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Sorry, it'll have to be you, I'm a bit busy this week. :(

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    The translation of a non-native Russian speaker:

    July 24, 2013
    Andrey Kamenetsky

    Dear readers,
    In July there took place two major crashes in Russia. Both of them were very revealing, but only one carried a wide resonance: the “Proton-M”rocket accident. We shall now have a talk about the second crash, which was in its own way also catastrophic.

    The puzzle hasn’t been solved
    I’m talking about the unexpected failure of the now traditional fun and games ratings that annually “equates Russia with Zimbabwe”. One of the leading international human rights organizations that regularly publishes its corruption ratings, Transparency International, has this time not included Russia in its bribe-taking rating because of a “technical fault” caused by the receipt of research information that had not been verified for its authenticity. Because of this, a whole row of data has been removed from the process, and instead of the usual solid news about how everything is terrible in Russia, there has spilled out into the media a whole pile of claims made against one another by the organizers.
    What makes this story piquant is the fact that all the interested parties are organizations of word-wide renown. The research data customer, Transparency International, has come down on its research agent, the international sociological corporation Gallup. Even more interesting is that as the conflict widens, their representatives are beginning to remember things amongst themselves and have even started to talk, which used to be considered quite indecent.
    “Judging by the received data, the question was either misunderstood or incorrectly set by the company that undertook the research”, pointed out Transparency International Research Director, Finn Heinrich.
    Gallup, in the shape of its legal entity “Romir” – its exclusive representative in Russia and the Ukraine – does not accept this claim. Not to be outdone, “Romir” Communications Director Evgeniya Rubtsova has stated:
    “After we had passed on the data, nobody contacted us further and there were no requests for clarifications and amplifications. They (Transparency International) are customers of our research data, so they interpret the data that they receive from us. Unfortunately, we have already experienced precedents, wherein they have shown some data while there has been other data that they have not shown, and on some issues, in comparison with other countries, Russia has come out of this in a not too favourable light.”
    However, the accuracy of the answers to other questions suits the research client. Anton Pominov, deputy director of the Russian branch of Transparency International Research, said that: “It is alarming that no one really believes that the anti-corruption strategy, which was begun by President Medvedev in 2008, is effective. Citizens have now completely cast off their rose-tinted spectacles. For example, 74% of people give civil servants the highest score: 5 points: that is to say, they are “very corrupt”.
    In general, he thinks that “the barometer still shows a situation of some tension in society”. So while the main news fragmented as does a meteor entering the atmosphere, some fragments of the pre-planned number of mandatory headlines about the deep corruption in Russian still reached Earth.

    The explanation is quite simple
    Now let’s just see what data is involved. From Transparency’s final report there were omitted two answers given by Russian citizens to two questions.
    In question number seven, respondents were asked to answer how often during the past year were they or members of their families in contact with some official agency, including the police, the tax authorities, medical services, educational institutions, and whether they had to pay a bribe to them.
    Question number eight specifically asked what the reason for the bribe was. A choice of four answers was given: a gift/gratitude; a service at a lower price; the desire to speed up the solution of a problem; the only way to get the service.

    What are the puzzling answers that Russian citizens gave concerning these choices? Largely thanks to Eugeniya Rubtsova and Anton Pominov we can try to guess what kind of “technical failure” Transparency was talking about and what it consists of.
    “Corruption is not only a bribe: it involves a lot more concepts, including favouritism”, begins Anton, justifying himself for no apparent reason.
    “I do not know how they checked the received data. You need to look at it dynamically. For example, if two years ago a similar study was undertaken, and suddenly, for one question there was a very large and skewed response, the alarms went off. If, for example, people say that the level of corruption has increased, but at the same time the number of people who paid a bribe has gone down, then it is clear that there is a contradiction”, Evgeniya clearly states.
    The final piece to the puzzle: there was an almost identical survey made by the “Public opinion” foundation and conducted in 43 subject states of the Russian Federation in April of this year. It was no less extensive, but we are interested in only two key parameters.
    Firstly, according to the survey, 79% of Russians are not faced with bribery at all. (This number has grown from 60% in 2008). Only 15% paid bribes. (In 2008 it was 29%).

    And secondly, in the opinion of 84% of the respondents, the level of corruption in the country is too high, while 46% believe that it is continuing to rise.

    We’ve arrived
    Of course, if 80% of people rated their country as having the highest rate of corruption but say at the same time that they and their families did not give bribes to anyone last year, then there is something wrong there, and that includes the validation systems used by the Transparency International.
    And that’s why Anton Pominov interprets indicators concerning bribes as evidence of corruption in general – because such indicators are quantifiable. “They spent time and money, and it turned out that something went wrong during data collection. Of course, for us it is very frustrating because it turns out that some of the work that was done has not given the expected results”, he lamented last week.
    The bottom line is that we have a completely crazy situation here, where a reputable rating organization has hammered its ratings so much into its respondents’ brains that it is getting these ratings back as answers that are completely uncritical, have no connection with reality, and do not pass any logical test; they are motivated by the answers of people who have read the news and know about previous ratings. This circus can continue for a long time, especially when you consider their habit of organizing themselves to interpret the data and downplaying their part in creating the “expected result”.

    The real question is, how much longer are we seriously going to interpret our unspeakably terrible problems from the point of view of outsiders, and how effective will be the measures for dealing with the naive ignorance of the population?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    Thanks so much ME!

    I'll be honest, I wouldn't have had time to do it myself. But thanks to you it will go up ASAP.

  • The commentator Дарман, who appears to be from Dagestan, argues that Chechens are quite different from the other North Caucasian nationalities. Apparently, minorities in Russia don't like Chechens much more than do ethnic Russians. (Brings to mind that War Nerd quote, "They seem like one of those tribes that are either going to rule the...
  • @Islam
    Hahahaha this is bullshit chechens and the rest caucasus are brothers i dont know who wrote this article but all of that was lies

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    Brotherly love shown at Beslan then?

    • Replies: @Islam
    @Moscow Exile

    Those who were in Belsan were mostly Ingush and Beslan is in North Ossetia and the ingush and ossetians hate eatcheater but those who did that terrorist attack were islamist u cant bring up islamists when ur talking about ethnic relations chechens and dagis are brothers sure there are sometimes fighting between eathchater but its nothing that big

    (btw sorry for my horrible english)

  • Though I know I missed the train on this news, one point in particular is worth drawing attention to as regard the stabbing of (the half-Tatar) paratrooper Ruslan Morzhanov by a 16-year-old ethnic Chechen, which incited the small town of Pugachev to stage a peaceful mini-revolt against the feds. So. Two murders, committed within the...
  • @Anonymous
    Ha! You think Russians aren't xenophobic? Ask all the African diplomats who are afraid to go out at night because of skinhead attacks. This is by far the most intolerant country I've been to, after travelling through USA, Europe, Latin America, Asia, Middle East.

    Replies: @AP, @Moscow Exile

    The Negroes that can be seen handing out leaflets at the entrances to metro stations all around Moscow to pedestrians must be immensely courageous then. And there’s a big gang of very brave black Cubans, both men and women together with their children, who live at “Old Havana”, a large night club/bar near my house where wedding parties etc. take place (my daughter
    celebrated her 5th birthday there), who go shopping in our local supermarket. And near my metro station there’s a big gated house where many African families live – I think they’re all members of
    the diplomatic corps at various African embassies throughout Moscow – and I see these black people who live at this house, mostly the younger members of the families, both boys and girls, going out at the weekend. They travel by metro and are very often in the carriages on my line heading for the same station where I get off. I’ve never seen any of these black people abused or attacked, though I’m sure there are out and cowardly racists in Moscow, as there are anywhere, who do go around in gangs and assault black people.

    I’ve occasionally seen some white people, usually very old women, staring at black passengers on the trains, though; not out of hatred but purely out of unconcealed curiosity. These gawping whites always appear to me to be country boors (boors – хамы).

    I’ve never noticed any nervous fear amongst black people walking around Moscow or riding around on the metro. And occasionally, I’ve even seen a black African canoodling with a white girl, and the male has never appeared to me as though he felt he was putting his life in danger. I’m quite certain, however, that a black person would very much be putting his life in danger if he came fresh with a Chechen girl. So would a Russian as well.

    However, I’ve heard during the past 20 years that I have lived in Moscow how Muscovites refer to a black person as “negr” (негр), which simply means “Negro”, and is for them an absolutely neutral term but which word, year in, year out, causes comment from some of my squeaky clean PC colleagues from the Anglosphere who arrive here to work and who express their horror at hearing Russians shamelessly using what they think is the Russian cognate of the so-called “N-word”.

    Referring back to a comment above by Дарман about the Chechen attack tactic that he has observed, I couldn’t agree more. I’ve seen it put in operation on a few occasions during disputes in local markets: three in front and two behind. The attacked party in all these incidences that I have witnessed were also what Slavic Russian citizens call “black arses”, though not Chechen. “Black Arse” (Черножопый), by the way, is a Russian “N-word” equivalent usually directed at Caucasians, be they Chechens, Georgian, Armenians, Dagestanis or whatever.

    In my experience, I don’t think Slavic Russian citizens are any more intolerant than any of their non-Slav fellow citizens are; nor are they, in my opinion, more intolerant or xenophobic than most of my fellow countrymen as well. This so-called Russian xenophobia is just another Western russsophobic meme used to beat the Russians (Slavic ones, of course) about their collective heads.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    However, I’ve heard during the past 20 years that I have lived in Moscow how Muscovites refer to a black person as “negr” (негр), which simply means “Negro”, and is for them an absolutely neutral term but which word, year in, year out, causes comment from some of my squeaky clean PC colleagues from the Anglosphere who arrive here to work and who express their horror at hearing Russians shamelessly using what they think is the Russian cognate of the so-called “N-word”.

    I noticed that as well. Of course calling Negroes "blacks" in Russia wouldn't just be strange but a perversion of the language as well. Those colleagues should be told to stuff it. Russia didn't have slavery, it has none of that baggage nor obligation to cater to American complexes on the matter.

    Incidentally, the Russian word for "German" is if anything a lot more offensive. :lol:

    , @Fedia Kriukov
    @Moscow Exile

    To add to your point, it's the word "black" that is racist and offensive in Russian. At least it used to be that way when I was growing up. The reason is that while Negro is simply a technical term (and most Russians have no idea what it means and which language it came from), calling someone "black" zeroes in on the one apparent difference, and is used for discriminatory purposes.

    Just like AK, I find your description of foreign reactions to this utterly bizarre. Are these people really so self-centered and parochial?

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @Yakutiaisnotmuslim

  • See data. For real, this time. While it is perhaps a big strange to start thinking of Russia as a high-income economy, it's not so surprising when looking at concrete statistics such as vehicle consumption, Internet penetration, etc. - all of which are now at typical South European and advanced East-Central European levels (even if...
  • @Moscow Exile
    @AP

    I must be piss poor then, because I earn 60,000 rubles a month, have two school-age children and one that attends kindergarten and I don’t have a car. I am the sole breadwinner in my family.

    I live in central Moscow as well, at Taganka. However, we own our own 3-room flat that is on the third floor of a house built in 1971. We also own a dacha situated 50 miles southwest of Moscow as the crow flies.

    We use public transport. The cost of a one-way elektrichka ticket to our dacha is 132 rubles.

    We do all our grocery shopping at a neighbouring Pyatyorochka or Monetka supermarket. We never eat out.

    As regards travelling abroad, we’ve only done that 3 times since the children started to arrive, namely since 1999: twice to my home country, where we lived at my sister’s, and to Eurodisney near Paris last November. True, we’ve had three holidays in the Ukraine – at Kerch, Evpatoria and Sergieva near Odessa – but I don’t really count that as abroad. This year we spent 3 weeks in Anapa.

    Funny thing is though, I feel better off here than when I lived in my home country. Bear in mind, that was over 25 years ago.

    I never had a foreign holiday until I left England and went on honeymoon to Paris with my wife in 1997, nor did I ever have a car in the UK, where I lived in a rented council house. I never learnt to drive because I used to walk to work. And I only first opened a bank account in the UK two years before I left Merry England. Never had need for an account before that, because what I used to get paid weekly on Fridays for working down the pit was usually gone before the following Tuesday, if not earlier. Bear in mind, I wasn’t wed then and I used to piss most that I earned against a wall. I don’t drink now. Haven’t done for 6 years. Don’t smoke either.

    God, life is hell in the Evil Empire!

    Replies: @AP, @Moscow Exile, @Moscow Exile

    I should also like to add that those people who live in the nearest settlement (Dorokhovo) to where our dacha is situated some 84 kms. from Moscow all seem to live in run-down Krushchevkas and very many of them seem to earn their crust in Moscow, judging by the packed and very frequent elektrichkas that run between Mozhaisk and Moscow early in the morning and in the evening. The first one to Moscow is at 5 a.m. and is full of locals, mostly fast asleep. The market there, however, has been totally re-vamped with new, well-built brick buildings containing all varieties of shops: originally one could only buy local produce there on an open square, This market is frequented mostly by Muscovite dacha dwellers who park their big new vehicles in front of the railway station: the locals drive old bangers. Goods are more expensive in the oblast’ as well. I know Muscovites who have chosen to live in the new dormitory town Odintsovo (Navalny’s neck of the woods) who tell me that prices in the shops there are higher than in Moscow. The air is fresher though.

  • @Moscow Exile
    @AP

    I must be piss poor then, because I earn 60,000 rubles a month, have two school-age children and one that attends kindergarten and I don’t have a car. I am the sole breadwinner in my family.

    I live in central Moscow as well, at Taganka. However, we own our own 3-room flat that is on the third floor of a house built in 1971. We also own a dacha situated 50 miles southwest of Moscow as the crow flies.

    We use public transport. The cost of a one-way elektrichka ticket to our dacha is 132 rubles.

    We do all our grocery shopping at a neighbouring Pyatyorochka or Monetka supermarket. We never eat out.

    As regards travelling abroad, we’ve only done that 3 times since the children started to arrive, namely since 1999: twice to my home country, where we lived at my sister’s, and to Eurodisney near Paris last November. True, we’ve had three holidays in the Ukraine – at Kerch, Evpatoria and Sergieva near Odessa – but I don’t really count that as abroad. This year we spent 3 weeks in Anapa.

    Funny thing is though, I feel better off here than when I lived in my home country. Bear in mind, that was over 25 years ago.

    I never had a foreign holiday until I left England and went on honeymoon to Paris with my wife in 1997, nor did I ever have a car in the UK, where I lived in a rented council house. I never learnt to drive because I used to walk to work. And I only first opened a bank account in the UK two years before I left Merry England. Never had need for an account before that, because what I used to get paid weekly on Fridays for working down the pit was usually gone before the following Tuesday, if not earlier. Bear in mind, I wasn’t wed then and I used to piss most that I earned against a wall. I don’t drink now. Haven’t done for 6 years. Don’t smoke either.

    God, life is hell in the Evil Empire!

    Replies: @AP, @Moscow Exile, @Moscow Exile

    I was thinking of that after reading a previous comment in this thread re. Moscow property values. However, having sold our flat, where should we all live? At our dacha?

    I used to think of this during the house buying boom that occurred when I last lived in England and heard of folk who were continuously buying and selling properties and moving from one property into another and wonder if this were really such a smart thing to do, for if their most recently bought property had been sold for a far greater price than that which they had paid for it, surely the price of the new property into which they had moved had also increased in price; unless, of course, they hadn’t “moved up” but rather “moved down” into some hovel and deposited their “profit” into a bank account.

  • @AP
    @Fedia Kriukov

    I was comparing residents of a sleepy central Ukrainian oblast capital (population around 300,000 - not a big city) with villagers 30 km outside Moscow. You are correct that incomes are probably double in Russia, but everything is much more expensive. This may indeed leave enough extra money for Russians to be more likely to own expensive foreign items such as smartphones (which cost the same regardless of where they are sold), but not enough to lead to a real difference in large items such as type of car or in overall lifestyle.

    Although one often hears about eastern Ukraine being more wealthy than the western part of the country (it certainly is, per capita) I suspect that the typical eastern Ukrainian does not live better his western peer. There is much higher income inequality in the east (ever hear of a western Ukrainian oligarch?). Lviv is loaded with restaurants and cafes - much more than even Kiev per capita - and judging by the Ukrainian language spoken by most customers these are locals going out.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    I must be piss poor then, because I earn 60,000 rubles a month, have two school-age children and one that attends kindergarten and I don’t have a car. I am the sole breadwinner in my family.

    I live in central Moscow as well, at Taganka. However, we own our own 3-room flat that is on the third floor of a house built in 1971. We also own a dacha situated 50 miles southwest of Moscow as the crow flies.

    We use public transport. The cost of a one-way elektrichka ticket to our dacha is 132 rubles.

    We do all our grocery shopping at a neighbouring Pyatyorochka or Monetka supermarket. We never eat out.

    As regards travelling abroad, we’ve only done that 3 times since the children started to arrive, namely since 1999: twice to my home country, where we lived at my sister’s, and to Eurodisney near Paris last November. True, we’ve had three holidays in the Ukraine – at Kerch, Evpatoria and Sergieva near Odessa – but I don’t really count that as abroad. This year we spent 3 weeks in Anapa.

    Funny thing is though, I feel better off here than when I lived in my home country. Bear in mind, that was over 25 years ago.

    I never had a foreign holiday until I left England and went on honeymoon to Paris with my wife in 1997, nor did I ever have a car in the UK, where I lived in a rented council house. I never learnt to drive because I used to walk to work. And I only first opened a bank account in the UK two years before I left Merry England. Never had need for an account before that, because what I used to get paid weekly on Fridays for working down the pit was usually gone before the following Tuesday, if not earlier. Bear in mind, I wasn’t wed then and I used to piss most that I earned against a wall. I don’t drink now. Haven’t done for 6 years. Don’t smoke either.

    God, life is hell in the Evil Empire!

    • Replies: @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    Congratulations, your flat by Taganka may be worth a million dollars, if you choose to sell it.

    , @Moscow Exile
    @Moscow Exile

    I was thinking of that after reading a previous comment in this thread re. Moscow property values. However, having sold our flat, where should we all live? At our dacha?

    I used to think of this during the house buying boom that occurred when I last lived in England and heard of folk who were continuously buying and selling properties and moving from one property into another and wonder if this were really such a smart thing to do, for if their most recently bought property had been sold for a far greater price than that which they had paid for it, surely the price of the new property into which they had moved had also increased in price; unless, of course, they hadn't "moved up" but rather "moved down" into some hovel and deposited their "profit" into a bank account.

    , @Moscow Exile
    @Moscow Exile

    I should also like to add that those people who live in the nearest settlement (Dorokhovo) to where our dacha is situated some 84 kms. from Moscow all seem to live in run-down Krushchevkas and very many of them seem to earn their crust in Moscow, judging by the packed and very frequent elektrichkas that run between Mozhaisk and Moscow early in the morning and in the evening. The first one to Moscow is at 5 a.m. and is full of locals, mostly fast asleep. The market there, however, has been totally re-vamped with new, well-built brick buildings containing all varieties of shops: originally one could only buy local produce there on an open square, This market is frequented mostly by Muscovite dacha dwellers who park their big new vehicles in front of the railway station: the locals drive old bangers. Goods are more expensive in the oblast' as well. I know Muscovites who have chosen to live in the new dormitory town Odintsovo (Navalny's neck of the woods) who tell me that prices in the shops there are higher than in Moscow. The air is fresher though.

  • It is now a staple of "common wisdom" to such an extent that there is little point in digging up specific news items. Bound up in red tape and crushed by the weight of state regulations, the argument goes, the Russian economy is doomed to years of renewed Brezhnevite stagnation - with the government increasing...
  • @peter
    @Moscow Exile


    ... уже в мае сможет начать...
     
    Didn't happen, did it?

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    • Replies: @peter
    @Moscow Exile


    ... уже в мае сможет начать цикл снижения ставок.
     
    Didn't happen in June either. Maybe tomorrow.
  • @peter
    @Alexander Mercouris


    The policy is working. Inflation is now coming down.
     
    Инфляция снизилась, как и ожидалась, из-за действия немонетарных факторов (ослабления влияния крутого повышения акцизов на алкоголь и сигареты в начале года, и хороший урожай, обещающий очередную продовольственную дефляцию в мире, тем более на фоне ожидаемого падения спроса со стороны одного из основных импортеров продовольствия – Египте). Базовая инфляция, очищенная от влияния регулируемых тарифов и акцизов, колеблется вокруг уровня 5.7% год., не обнаруживая какой-либо выраженной тенденции – ни к росту, ни к снижению.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    По последним данным статистики, пик многомесячного роста инфляции, мучившего российскую экономику в конце прошлого – начале этого года, был пройден где-то в феврале. В марте инфляция снизилась в годовом выражении, а по итогам года она может упасть до 5%.

    8 апреля. FINMARKET.RU – Мартовские данные по инфляции преподнесли приятный сюрприз: явно заметен тренд на замедление роста цен. В годовом выражении инфляция даже сократилась.

    Владимир Осаковский из Bank of America Merrill Lynch уверен, что к концу году инфляция замедлится аж до 5%. А ЦБ, получив такие данные, уже в мае сможет начать цикл снижения ставок.

    http://www.interfax.ru/business/txt.asp?id=300274

    You pays your money and you takes your choice!

    http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/You+pays+your+money

    • Replies: @peter
    @Moscow Exile


    ... уже в мае сможет начать...
     
    Didn't happen, did it?

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

  • My latest for VoR/US-Russia Experts panel: I think we have to make a distinction here between "soft" soft power and "hard" soft power. The US' "soft" soft power is, of course, overwhelming. By "soft" soft power, I mean its accumulated cultural capital: The popularity of the English language, Hollywood, the Ivy League, Apple and American...
  • @AM
    @A Nobody

    Goethe Institute in the UK only exists in Glasgow and London. I heard that in the past they used to have many more branches. No idea what happened, but it looks like Germany is also neglecting this side of soft power.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    Yes, when I last lived in the UK there was a Goethe-Institut in Manchester. That was 25 years ago.

  • @A Nobody
    Anatoly one element that also is missing is the Russian language promotion. Russkiy Mir Foundation could do well to learn from the Goethe Institute which has a much broader reach in far more global cities as well as online.

    Sure German is closer to English than Russian but it isn't THAT much easier and both languages are easier for foreigners to grasp than Chinese.

    Looking at it from a long term perspective integrating as many talented Greeks, Spaniards and Italians as possible over the next several years as those economies collapse under the weight of their pensions combined with an inability to devalue could be a historic coup almost on par with the talent injections under Peter the Great and Catherine the Great.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @AM

    This language question is indeed key and a comparison of Russian with German an interesting one.

    The world domination of English as a result of the British Empire followed by the United States empire-in-all-but-name will, I think, last for the forseeable future.The huge majority of published material and emails, faxes etc. are in English. However, last time I checked, the second most published language after English is German, largely because of Germany’s scientific and technical prowess, namely the second highest number of scientific and technical publications after those written in English are in German.

    When I was at school some 50 years ago, students of chemistry who had no knowledge of German had to do an intense course in the German language so as to help them read treatises written in German. As regards science and technology, Russians are no dullards, yet few learn Russian and read Russian works and scientific journals in the original, relying only on translations.

    As regards cultural exchanges andible misunderstandigs, this often leads to problems. Bronsky once said that the reason English speakers cannot discern the differences between the thinking of Tolstoy and Dostoevsky is because they have never read these illustrious writers’ works,.only Constance Garnett’s translations of them.

  • Grigory Yavlinsky, head of the liberal Yabloko party and political old-timer, argues in a Vedomosti editorial that the Kremlin's crackdown on NGOs is not only ethically wrong but ultimately self-crippling. Unfortunately, the Russian nomenklatura has an exceedingly poor understanding of why we need independent public organizations, and the meaning of citizen control and social feedbacks....
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    I do agree that the NGO "crackdown" is overblown (as were the dozen or so other "crackdowns" on them under the Evil One). That said, however...

    (1) What do you make of Yavlinsky's argument that Russia and the US are not comparable in this respect? After all, even leaving aside politics for a minute - though that isn't to Russia's favor either - the pool of disposable wealth in the US is an order of magnitude higher than in Russia. Basically, US NGOs have much less need of foreign financing because they can almost always find enough at home. That doesn't apply to Russia nearly as much.

    (2) Speaking of animals, what do you make of the crane sanctuary that is at risk of being declared a "foreign agent"? Is it a bizarre anomaly, the type that springs up with any law, or is the fact that such a ridiculous case is even possible ground to stop and reconsider?

    Replies: @bydlo, @Moscow Exile

    As regards point (1) of AK’s posting above, I think bydlo answers that question well enough.

    As regards (2): If the bird sanctuary is involved in political activities, then it falls under the categorization of an NGO acting as a foreign agent and is obliged by law to make this fact public and to register itself as a foreign agent, no matter how ludicrous this may seem to be at first sight. For if this is indeed the case, namely that a foreign funded organization involved in political activities is presenting itself as a charitable bird sanctuary, then this presentation of the organization’s activity as being the care and protection of a species of bird is just a sham intended to make ludicrous any accusations that the sanctuary is involved in political activities.

    The purpose of the law is not to punish dumb animals, orphans, homeless people, drunken bums etc. and a host of other humanitarian charities that receive all or part of their funding from foreign sources, and to say that this is the case, as Yavlinsky and many others try to make out, is a smokescreen, a duplicitous attempt to hide the very real fact that the US government funds organizations in other lands, not least in Russia, in order to instigate a change of those countries’ governments to ones that will undertake policies conducive to US interests.

    However, whenever new legislation is passed, there are very often anomalies and loopholes that have to be rectified or, as the case may be, closed. I recall that several years after capital punishment had been abolished in the UK it was discovered that there still remained three offences punishable by the death penalty: arson in Her Majesty’s dockyards, rape of a princess royal and witchcraft. These laws were immediately repealed on their discovery, of course, but technically, if someone had been tried and found guilty of witchcraft before it had been discovered that such an offence not only still existed in English law but was a capital one, then theoretically the guilty party could have been legally hanged. That didn’t happen, of course, and even in the highly unlikely event of anyone being found guilty of witchcraft before the repeal of said witchcraft laws in England, capital punishment of the guilty party would certainly not have taken place.

  • Mr. Yavlinsky and others of his ilk seem to be patently and conveniently unaware of the US 1966 Foreign Agents Registration Act

    The goal of the 1966 Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) was to “minimize foreign intervention” in U.S. elections by establishing a series of limitations on foreign governments and nationals. In 1974, the prohibition was incorporated into the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA), giving the FEC jurisdiction over its enforcement and interpretation.

    According to the FEC, FECA “prohibits any foreign national or government from contributing, donating or spending funds in connection with any federal, state, or local election in the United States, either directly or indirectly. It is also unlawful to help foreign national or government violate that ban or to solicit, receive or accept contributions or donations from them. Persons who knowingly and wilfully engage in these activities may be subject to fines and/or imprisonment.”

    What’s good for the goose is clearly not necessarily good for the gander, or so it would seem when one hears the arguments that Yavlinsky and Alekseeva and many others make concerning “crackdowns” on NGOs. Furthermore, these people also conveniently omit he fact that this legislation that they detest so much is not directed at all NGOs, only those that undertake political activities, so there will be no “crackdown” against, say, a foreign funded charity that finds homes for stray cats and dogs in Russia.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    I do agree that the NGO "crackdown" is overblown (as were the dozen or so other "crackdowns" on them under the Evil One). That said, however...

    (1) What do you make of Yavlinsky's argument that Russia and the US are not comparable in this respect? After all, even leaving aside politics for a minute - though that isn't to Russia's favor either - the pool of disposable wealth in the US is an order of magnitude higher than in Russia. Basically, US NGOs have much less need of foreign financing because they can almost always find enough at home. That doesn't apply to Russia nearly as much.

    (2) Speaking of animals, what do you make of the crane sanctuary that is at risk of being declared a "foreign agent"? Is it a bizarre anomaly, the type that springs up with any law, or is the fact that such a ridiculous case is even possible ground to stop and reconsider?

    Replies: @bydlo, @Moscow Exile

  • You've had to wait too long for this. But it is finally here. The Russian Spectrum - translating everything worth translating from the Russian media. I'll keep it brief. (1) We need translators! If you can proficiently translate from Russian into English, I will be very happy to have you on board. First, the bad...
  • Have you included that Kommersant interview with Konstantin Lebedev and which Yalensis translated and posted on Kremlin Stooge? I’m sure Yalensis won’t mind it being posted on RS. As far as I know, it’s never appeared anywhere in the West apart from my posting of it at Yalensis’s suggestion in the Guardian, which action slammed down a white-ribbonist and his supportive chums in the UK who were commenting at the foot of a Moscow Miriam column. That action of mine was the first posting I’ve made to the Grauniad in almost a year: I just got sick of their “comment is free” hypocrisy.

  • But first, a note about those two articles published here this morning: As I hope many (if not all) of you guessed, it was a scheduling accident. In particular, as regards the piece "Russia’s Economy Is Now Europe’s Largest," this is what I expected to see once the World Bank released its PPP-adjusted GNI figures...
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Sergey

    After all, there were 89 days in 2013Q1 versus 90 days in 2012Q1, or about 1.2% less.

    Good point. So in adjusted terms, the birth rate has actually remained virtually the same from 2012. Though by the same token, the death rate increased more significantly...

    Incidentally, do you have any idea about what constitutes "other causes"? I had a guess at it in the post, but it's really just that - a guess.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @Sergey

    I should think that “death by other cause” is simply a death whose cause is not of high enough recordable frequency to be included in a list such as this.

    For example, my great-grandmother died as the result of bleeding to death in front of an open fire whilst asleep. She was very old, I was told, and in her sleep she had apparently cut her ankle with the sharp edge of a clog-iron. Clogs were the usual footwear for the working classes in my old neck of the woods.

    No doubt, on her death certificate cause of death was given as “exsanguination”; I doubt that her cause of death was given as “bled to death after cutting leg on clog-iron”.

    In any case, I should imagine that in any statistic alanalysis, my great-grandmother’s cause of death would be classified as “other”.

  • re: the wrongly scheduled article on Russia reaching №1 position in the European economies

    I did a check on the available data after reading a comment demanding that AK give links to data supporting his case. For what it’s worth, I agree with AK’s oncoming announcement: the figures available now indicate that, much to the ridicule of many, no doubt, the Evil Empire might well be heading for the top position.

    I was going to post what data I had gleaned in reply to the commentator’s demand that such data be presented, but the article had been removed by then.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    I will (re)post it as soon as the World Bank comes round to releasing the data for 2012. The title *may* have to be changed then, but I doubt it will be, because if the adjustment I mentioned in the post is made then Russia really does become the #1 economy in Europe (and #5 globally).

    Replies: @Fedia Kriukov

  • Hard as it is to believe, but in the wake of the Boston Bombings, many Western commentators actively trying to find the roots of the Tsarnaev brothers' rage in Russia's "aggression" or even "genocide" of Chechnya. This is not to deny that Chechens did not have an exceptionally hard time of it in the 1990s....
  • @Moscow Exile
    @Fedia Kriukov

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc!

    If B follows A, then A must be the cause of B.

    Common logical fallacy.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    In 1981, the elected in 1979 Briitish prime minister Margaret Thatcher was on record as being the least popular PM in parliamentiary history.

    In April 1982, the chief of the ruling the Argentine military junta, General Galtieri, ordered that a British possession, the Falkland Islands, be invaded by Argentine forces. War ensued between Great Britain and Argentina, resulting in a victory for the British forces.

    As a result of this victory, Thatcher’s popularity with the British public increased enormously, she called a general election, which she won easily, and thereafter won two more elections, remaining in power as prime minister until 1990.

    Given as a major reason for the Argentinan attack on the Falklands was the removal of a British Royal Navy presence in the South Atlantic, in that in a 1981 British government defence review it had been decided to permanently withdraw from service in April 1982 the ice patrol vessel HMS Endurance, the sole RN ship patrolling the Falklands area.

    In the light of events subsequent to this decision to withdraw HMS Endurance from service, it must have been Margaret Thatcher that made that decision to decommission the vessel, which decision led to the Argentine-UK war and to British victory and her re-election and subsequent 8 years of premiership.

    Stands to “reason”, doesn’t it?

    • Replies: @Alexander Mercouris
    @Moscow Exile

    Many years ago I had a lengthy argument with someone in Cambridge about the Moscow apartment bombings and I researched for several weeks all the information about them exhaustively. Unfortunately I do not have my notes to hand any more. However there was simply no possible doubt that the Moscow apartment bombings were the work of the jihadi insurgents in the Caucasus. The evidence is overwhelming with all of the individuals involved being identified and a few of them being caught and put on trial and convicted for what they did in cases that the European Court of Human Rights has never expressed any concerns about. Moreover no less a person than Shamil Basayev said at the time in an interview with a Czech radio station that the bombings were the work of jihadis whilst in a handwritten note Basayev gave to the Beslan hostage takers, which was addressed to Putin, Basayev whilst purporting in a rather vague way to distance the jihadis from the Moscow apartment bombings nonetheless offered to take responsibility for them as part of a peace deal. Needless to say Basayev would never have offered to do that if the jihadis had not been responsible for them.

    It was also absolutely clear to me that the person who was most responsible for promoting the myth of Putin's and the FSB's involvement in the Moscow apartment bombings (even if he did not originate it) and who did so as an exercise in pure propaganda was none other than Berezovsky. For what it's worth I have heard from someone who was involved in the Berezovsky v Abramovitch trial (though I cannot confirm this) that even Berezovsky quietly admitted the falsity of the story to his intimates shortly before his death.

    In conclusion any purportedly scholarly work that continues to suggest that the Moscow apartment bombings were the work of Putin and of the FSB is worthless trash and is not worth the paper it's written on whilst the opinions of the author of such a work are obviously not to be taken seriously.

    For the rest, whether ethnically cleansed or not (and there undoubtedly was ethnic cleansing of Russians - I remember television interviews with Chechen militants bragging about it) and though ruled by Kadyrov in his own special way, the indisputable fact is that the jihadi movement in Chechnya has been comprehensively defeated and Chechnya is now once again firmly a republic within the Russian Federation and is basically at peace. As Moscow Exile has pointed out, a Chechen military unit (since disbanded) even participated in the 2008 South Ossetia war. What other country in recent years apart from Russia has succeeded in defeating a jihadi insurgency so completely? None that I can think of. Certainly not the US.

    Replies: @AM, @jputley

  • @Fedia Kriukov
    @jputley

    Let's see... jputley quotes from Amy Knight who reviewed a book by John Dunlop where he cites Anton Orekh who believes that, since the bombings were allegedly convenient for Putin, he must be behind them. It starts with a speculation and grows into certainty with each retelling. And you clowns expect your broken telephone chain of misinformation to be taken seriously?

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc!

    If B follows A, then A must be the cause of B.

    Common logical fallacy.

    • Replies: @Moscow Exile
    @Moscow Exile

    In 1981, the elected in 1979 Briitish prime minister Margaret Thatcher was on record as being the least popular PM in parliamentiary history.

    In April 1982, the chief of the ruling the Argentine military junta, General Galtieri, ordered that a British possession, the Falkland Islands, be invaded by Argentine forces. War ensued between Great Britain and Argentina, resulting in a victory for the British forces.

    As a result of this victory, Thatcher's popularity with the British public increased enormously, she called a general election, which she won easily, and thereafter won two more elections, remaining in power as prime minister until 1990.

    Given as a major reason for the Argentinan attack on the Falklands was the removal of a British Royal Navy presence in the South Atlantic, in that in a 1981 British government defence review it had been decided to permanently withdraw from service in April 1982 the ice patrol vessel HMS Endurance, the sole RN ship patrolling the Falklands area.

    In the light of events subsequent to this decision to withdraw HMS Endurance from service, it must have been Margaret Thatcher that made that decision to decommission the vessel, which decision led to the Argentine-UK war and to British victory and her re-election and subsequent 8 years of premiership.

    Stands to "reason", doesn't it?

    Replies: @Alexander Mercouris

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  • @AP
    @Scowspi

    The consensus among my Ukrainian and Russian facebook friends is amazement that the USA would let Chechens into the country.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    It’s what’s written on the Statue of Liberty pedestal that has gulled many US citizens over the years and has given carte blanche to anyone or group that claim that their freedom and human rights have been infringed upon:

    “Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name,
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
    With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

  • A friend on Facebook said it best: I am personally entirely neutral and indifferent to her. I have British acquaintances who are her fans, as well as those who are very hostile to her. I think both sides overstate her real significance. The coal mines were dead men walking by the 1980's, and any British...
  • She squirmed because she was being exposed as a liar. The Belgrano was not in the war zone and was steaming away from the Falkland Islands when the order was given to torpedo her.

  • Everybody in the Western media seems to have forgotten Pussy Riot. Well, not forgotten, they still wheel them out every so often as symbols of the repressiveness of the Putin regime - but news of actual developments in the affair have come to a standstill. Which is a pity, because they undermine the commonly accepted...
  • @Ildar Adi
    @Moscow Exile

    I've failed to notice anyone claim in the Western MSM that Pussy Riot enjoyed a support of majority of Russians. I think it is fairly often reported that feminism, LGBT-rights and other minority rights, the main themes of Pussy Riot act, are irrelevant, at best, to most Russians.

    Replies: @Alexander Mercouris, @Moscow Exile

    Isn’t the opinion of the majority that which counts, or is this not the case when it comes to Russia?

    If the majority of public opinion outside Russia is supportive of the Pussy Riot “heroines”, whereas the majority of public opinion within Russia is not supportive of them, does this mean that the majority opinion in Russia, the opinion of the citizenship of a sovereign state, is of no import?

    In other words, who makes the decisions when it comes to Russia: the Russians themselves or the opinionated chatterers who are neither Russian citizens nor do
    they live in Russia?

    • Replies: @Ildar Adi
    @Moscow Exile

    I've said it before - if the majority of Russians are happy with the way things are going there now, the only correct policy that the West should have towards Russia is containment in all fronts. Looks increasingly that this is the way things gonna go. Ideas of "strategic partnership", "partnership for modernisation" and "change through entanglement" are being abandoned as we write.

    I also think that those opinionated chatterers and bloggers who are neither Russian citizens nor live in Russia should have no saying in decision making in Russia.

    Replies: @Fedia Kriukov, @AM, @rrtrash

  • A friend on Facebook said it best: I am personally entirely neutral and indifferent to her. I have British acquaintances who are her fans, as well as those who are very hostile to her. I think both sides overstate her real significance. The coal mines were dead men walking by the 1980's, and any British...
  • It was the withdrawal from service of HMS Endurance that certainly gave the green light to the Galtieri regime.

    Thatcher used to have all the sycophant journalists in her thrall and used to bully and hector them into submission and evade answering any questions she chose not to discuss. Only once, and that was during the Falklands War, was she outmanoeuvred by an interviewer, a woman, Mrs. Gould, during a live on air debate.

    Thatcher’s Nemesis ‘phoned in to ask why the Belgrano had been torpedoed against all the conventions and rules laid down (Belgrano was not steaming in the declared by H.M. Government war zone) and who had given the order to sink her.

    Thatcher huffed and puffed, saying that the Belgrano had been in the war zone and tried to talk about her duty to protect “our boys”, but this woman persisted and wouldn’t let go.

    In the chair was the BBC’s Sue Lawley, who dutifully rose in defence of the prime minister, and tried to curtail Mrs. Gould’s persistent questioning. In the end, Thatcher started to appeal to authority (“I know the facts”) and told Mrs. Gould that the truth of the matter (Her Majesty’s Government’s version, that is) would be publicly disclosed in 30 years.

    It was good, for once, to watch Thatcher squirm.

    See:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O184yGKknSQ

  • @Thorfinnsson
    I find many of the comments interesting, but especially those familiar with the English coal mining industry. I had assumed that the mines were economic, fast dwindling, and suffering from rapidly declining EROEI. Based on the comments above, it would seem that is not entirely correct and that many of the mines were either viable or close enough to viable to merit subsidies for social reasons (as in the Ruhr area).

    That said, from my view across the pond the British working classes DESERVED to be crushed. The preceding Callaghan Labour goverment had attempted to replace the adversarial labor relations with a more collaborative German-Scandinavian model (best epitomized by Sweden's “Saltsjöbaden spirit". The unions responded by creating the winter of discontent.

    The UK in 1979 was a half-Sovietized, dilapidated island where nothing worked. The Beatles were shocked upon arriving in America to discover that the telephones always worked. While Thatcherism was in many ways a failure, as Craig Willy has pointed out, the tall poppy syndrome and myopic, militant class hatred of the unions got a deserved come uppance from Margaret Thatcher.

    None of this, of course, excuses bad policies nor the failures of England's commercial classes, who are well-known for a reticence to reinvest a firm's working capital into new, modern machinery and prefer to rely upon antiquated Victorian Scroogenomics to increase earnings by repressing labor.

    As a final note, I have to disagree with Craig Willy that Thatcher was responsible for the financial excesses that came later. It was the Blair government which permitted unlimited rehypothecation which was at the heart of the world financial crisis. Thatcher's financial reforms were largely a success and made London the global center for forex trading, overseas listings, as well as a rival for New York. And this success didn't harm the UK manufacturing industry, which was already uncompetitive when she came to power.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    It was the BRITISH coal mining industry: although the majority of deep coal mines were situated in the English Midlands (Warwickshire, Staffordshire, Leicestershire, Nottinghamshire) and the North West (Lancashire, Cumberland) and the North East of England (Yorkshire, County Durham, Northumberland), as well as there being a small coalfield in the South East in the County of Kent, there were also coalfields in North and South Wales, the latter being of great importance because of the high quality anthracite that is still there, and in
    Scotland.

  • @johnUK
    @Moscow Exile

    Interesting I just assumed that the British coal mining industry was either an outdated source of energy although they still have coal mining firms even in the US I think and that it was lagging behind in productivity and technological innovation due to the power of trade unions who would want to keep existing jobs rather than modernise.

    Why do you think she demolished a vibrant national industry and resource in Britain when she fought for British interests in the Falklands?

    It was constantly remarked that Margret Thatcher helped destroy Britain’s industrial industry do you think this is true?

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    Do I think it’s true?

    Go to the former industrial heartlands of the UK, look around you, then think of the words inscribed on Wren’s tomb in St Paul’s Cathedral:

    SI MONVMENTUM REQVIRIS CIRCUMSPICE

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    Why do you think British coal mines of the 80s needed modernizing?

    Because I was suckered in by neoliberal propaganda? Anyway, I didn't know that British mining was so advanced, and that the Germans spent more on subsidies. I suppose its still true that the industry was a dead man walking - it still needed subsidies, and besides the UK had been mining huge amounts of coal since the 19th century, surely a lot of the seams will have been coming close to exhaustion - but it could have been winded down with a lot less damage and acrimony than it actually was if Thatcher had not been an ideological blowhard.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    AK, not so very far from where you spent part of your youth in the UK they had been mining coal for at least 400 years. With the onset of the industrial revolution in the mid-18th century, south Lancashire was one of the earliest industrialized regions in the world: steam power and the railway transport revolution increased the demand for coal; shafts were sunk deeper because of the ability of steam powered pumps to overcome inundation, and of steam powered ventilation fans on the surface to help sweep the pits of firedamp, whose dangerous presence as the pits became deeper and more “fiery”, was detected by the “Davy” flame safety lamp, invented at the turn of the 19th century. And the coal industry boomed.

    Because of the age of the coalfield and the intensity of the mining there, by the turn of the 20th century, the seams mined in Lancashire were the deepest in the world. I worked in the deepest of them all – the Arley Mine (seams are called “mines” in Lancashire and coal mines there are “pits”) – at nearly a mile below ground. The shafts down which I descended to work were 920 yards deep, and from the pit bottom I had to travel almost a mile, descending to different horizons down steep inclines in order to reach the coal faces where I worked near naked because there it was as hot as the hobs of hell.

    Any miner will tell you that a pit has a “life”: when it is young and the faces are near the pit bottom, a pit is at its most profitable; as it ages and the coal has to be hauled ever further from the faces to the pit bottom, thereby giving rise to the necessity of hiring more and more men, the profitability of the enterprise begins to decline.

    Mechanization was late arriving in the privately owned British mines: labour was plentiful and cheap. In the UK , coal was still mostly won with picks and shovels in my father’s day – the 1930s. After nationalization in 1947, however, there was a massive investment programme for the mechanization of mining. That’s why my pit, deemed a long life colliery with abundant reserves, was thoroughly modernized in 1954. Increased mechanization of the pits also led to a decrease in the workforce. The net outcome of all of this was an increase in the productivity and profitability of the UK deep mining industry. But this investment programme was long term, hence the “Plan For Coal”, a tripartite agreement thrashed out between the National Coal Board, the NUM and successive British governments – including Conservative ones – that had been adhered to for 20 years or so, hence the contraction of the coal industry in the ’60s: the almost exhausted and very old pits were phased out in favour of huge investment in the thick seamed coalfields of South Yorkshire and the East Midlands. That’s why from the mid-’60s you could hear more and more Scots, Welsh and Geordie accents in the Nottingham coalfield: men from the “peripheral coalfields” who wanted to stay in the industry were transferred to the new “super pits”, whereas the old and infirm or just simply indolent were persuaded to leave the industry thanks to attractive redundancy payments commensurate with years of service.

    It was this plan for coal that the Conservatives trashed in 1984. In fact, the plans to destroy the NUM and with it the state coal industry were drawn up before the Conservatives took power in 1979. This was the infamous “Ridley Plan” and economics had nothing to do with it but was used as a cover for wreaking revenge on the NUM, the “Enemy Within”, just as “human rights” and “democracy” are used as a cover for US imperial policy.

    By the way, as regards subsidies: by far the biggest subsidised industry in the UK was and still is agriculture.

    You don’t hear much off the Conservative Party complaining about farmers “holding
    the nation to ransom” though, do you?

  • @Moscow Exile
    @georgesdelatour

    @georgesdelatour:

    As regards your comment concerning miners' co-operatives operating pits, this is exactly what happened at Tower Colliery, South Wales, which was doomed to closure post-strike with all the rest - including, I may add, the whole of the highly profitable, and very modern mines in the Nottinghamshire coalfield, despite the majority of men choosing to work there throughout the strike because of what they deemed to be breach of democratic procedure. The fate of the Notts. coalfield absolutely nails down the Thatcherite lie that the British deep mined coal industry was shut down because of its drain on the national economy. Tower pit, on the other hand, despite being labelled by the National Coal Board as being a hopelessly uneconomic unit, went on under the men's ownership and direction to become not only profitable, but also to have some 20 years of life after the virtual cessation of deep coal mining elsewhere in the UK. That pit was worked by the men until the further working of its seams became economically non-viable.

    I am sure that what happened at Tower would have held true of the majority of collieries in the UK. The pit where I worked had been making huge losses in the early '80s - sunk in 1878, it had been modernised in the '50s, becoming at the time the most modern mine in the UK - because of adverse geological conditions. In 1983, I wanted to move off to the brand new, state-of-the-art Selby coalfield in order to increase my earnings, which had fallen drastically because of low bonus payments at my own pit. My manager persuaded me to stick it out at my local pit, saying that there were at least 30 years of winnable reserves there and once we had broken through the fault that was denying us access to our seams, my earnings would increase and I would be able to work there until my retirement.

    One year later I withdrew my labour; two years later, immediately after the end of the year-long strike the pit was closed and almost obscene haste its three shafts were capped, thereby in effect sterilizing the vast reserves of coal that are still there. And the super modern pits in the Selby coalfield were closed as well.

    Thatcher's attack on the NUM was a political act of pure vengeance for what had happened to her party a decade previously, a vengeance made even more despicable because of her undeniable class hatred.

    And the lie is still being peddled that the miners brought down the Heath government. They didn't: British voters brought down Heath, and even then the result was a hung parliament with a Labour Party government under Wilson.

    More specifically, it was the Ulster Unionists, who decided to ally themselves with the parliamentary Labour Party, that brought about Heath's political demise - ironically those self-same Ulster Unionists whose Irish policies gave rise to the creation of the Conservative and Unionist Party of Great Britain of which Thatcher was a member.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    In 1980 over 80% of UK electricity was generated at coal fired power stations. Thanks to Thatcher, 40% of UK electricity is generated that way, which, no doubt, keeps the Greens happy, but 90% of that coal used to fire present UK power stations is imported.

    Batting for Britain?

    Remember “the dash for gas” after the closure of pits?

    Did the price of electricity decrease after the closure of “uneconomic” deep coal mines?

    They’re putting great faith now, I believe, in the shale-oil gas deposits that they say they have found in that very same county where I mined coal almost 30 years ago.

    Fracking marvellous!

    • Replies: @charly
    @Moscow Exile

    It is more thanks to North Sea gas that it went down to 40%. IMNSHO the conservatives would have gone nuclear if it wasn't for North Sea gas.

  • @georgesdelatour
    Hi Moscow Exile

    I agree with all your comments about the viability of coal in the UK.

    Thatcher's dispute with the National Union of Mineworkers was political, not economic. She'd served in the Heath government, which she believed had been ejected from office by the NUM. In 1984 it was payback time.

    I've not seen opinion polls, but I suspect that, at the time, more people supported Thatcher than the NUM. Of course the Tory press supported her. But even the Labour party leadership was lukewarm towards the NUM, because of Arthur Scargill's refusal to hold a national ballot. Now, with the perspective of time, most people realise the miners had the better case, and that the human cost of the closures was terrible.

    In politics, you have to play the hand that's dealt you. In 1984 Scargill had been dealt a much weaker hand than Joe Gormley had in 1972. That doesn't change the fact that Scargill played his hand very badly. He was a gift to Thatcher.

    Doesn't it suggest that the whole Attlee model of state nationalised industries had a massive glaring flaw? It tacitly assumed that all future governments would be Labour or pseudo-Labour. But when a government came to power with a determination to smash the Trades Unions, the nationalised structure actually gave them more power to do the smashing than they'd have had if the mines were privately owned. Thatcher couldn't appoint the director of Tesco, but she could appoint Ian McGregor to the National Coal Board.

    The Attlee government should have made the mines into workers' co-operatives which elected their own board of directors. There could have been a national forum in which the mines made their case for state subsidies.

    Curious to know your thoughts, since you have first hand experience - which I don't.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    As regards your comment concerning miners’ co-operatives operating pits, this is exactly what happened at Tower Colliery, South Wales, which was doomed to closure post-strike with all the rest – including, I may add, the whole of the highly profitable, and very modern mines in the Nottinghamshire coalfield, despite the majority of men choosing to work there throughout the strike because of what they deemed to be breach of democratic procedure. The fate of the Notts. coalfield absolutely nails down the Thatcherite lie that the British deep mined coal industry was shut down because of its drain on the national economy. Tower pit, on the other hand, despite being labelled by the National Coal Board as being a hopelessly uneconomic unit, went on under the men’s ownership and direction to become not only profitable, but also to have some 20 years of life after the virtual cessation of deep coal mining elsewhere in the UK. That pit was worked by the men until the further working of its seams became economically non-viable.

    I am sure that what happened at Tower would have held true of the majority of collieries in the UK. The pit where I worked had been making huge losses in the early ’80s – sunk in 1878, it had been modernised in the ’50s, becoming at the time the most modern mine in the UK – because of adverse geological conditions. In 1983, I wanted to move off to the brand new, state-of-the-art Selby coalfield in order to increase my earnings, which had fallen drastically because of low bonus payments at my own pit. My manager persuaded me to stick it out at my local pit, saying that there were at least 30 years of winnable reserves there and once we had broken through the fault that was denying us access to our seams, my earnings would increase and I would be able to work there until my retirement.

    One year later I withdrew my labour; two years later, immediately after the end of the year-long strike the pit was closed and almost obscene haste its three shafts were capped, thereby in effect sterilizing the vast reserves of coal that are still there. And the super modern pits in the Selby coalfield were closed as well.

    Thatcher’s attack on the NUM was a political act of pure vengeance for what had happened to her party a decade previously, a vengeance made even more despicable because of her undeniable class hatred.

    And the lie is still being peddled that the miners brought down the Heath government. They didn’t: British voters brought down Heath, and even then the result was a hung parliament with a Labour Party government under Wilson.

    More specifically, it was the Ulster Unionists, who decided to ally themselves with the parliamentary Labour Party, that brought about Heath’s political demise – ironically those self-same Ulster Unionists whose Irish policies gave rise to the creation of the Conservative and Unionist Party of Great Britain of which Thatcher was a member.

    • Replies: @Moscow Exile
    @Moscow Exile

    In 1980 over 80% of UK electricity was generated at coal fired power stations. Thanks to Thatcher, 40% of UK electricity is generated that way, which, no doubt, keeps the Greens happy, but 90% of that coal used to fire present UK power stations is imported.

    Batting for Britain?

    Remember "the dash for gas" after the closure of pits?

    Did the price of electricity decrease after the closure of "uneconomic" deep coal mines?

    They're putting great faith now, I believe, in the shale-oil gas deposits that they say they have found in that very same county where I mined coal almost 30 years ago.

    Fracking marvellous!

    Replies: @charly

  • Why do you think British coal mines of the 80s needed modernizing? British deep mining was the most technological advanced in the world. It is British mining technology that is still used world wide. The first fully automated coal face with a power loading shearer was first utilized at a colliery in my home town: that was in the late ’60s.

    In 1980, a ton of coal had to be won in the UK for £30 in order for a colliery to be efficient. At the same time, coal was being won in the German Federal Republic for £60 a ton in mines that enjoyed a considerably higher state subsidy than did British deep mines. Thatcher stopped the subsidies. The Germans didn’t, choosing to gradually phase out deep mining and to retrain its work force.

    Productivity at British mines had also been increasing year in year out when the Thatcher administration launched its long thought out and well planned attack on the mining industry in 1984.

    There were approximately 200 deep coal mines in the UK in that year with about 180,000 miners, whose average age (35) was the lowest on record. There are now, I believe, only 4 deep coal mines in the UK (open cast “mines” are not mines but quarries), yet the same amount of coal is at present utilized in the UK as was over 30 years ago – only it’s almost all imported now.

    This is the result of the energy policies of a woman who was fond of declaring that she was “batting for Britain”. She wasn’t: she was batting for own class to which she, the millionaire wife of a millionaire husband, belonged.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    Why do you think British coal mines of the 80s needed modernizing?

    Because I was suckered in by neoliberal propaganda? Anyway, I didn't know that British mining was so advanced, and that the Germans spent more on subsidies. I suppose its still true that the industry was a dead man walking - it still needed subsidies, and besides the UK had been mining huge amounts of coal since the 19th century, surely a lot of the seams will have been coming close to exhaustion - but it could have been winded down with a lot less damage and acrimony than it actually was if Thatcher had not been an ideological blowhard.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    , @johnUK
    @Moscow Exile

    Interesting I just assumed that the British coal mining industry was either an outdated source of energy although they still have coal mining firms even in the US I think and that it was lagging behind in productivity and technological innovation due to the power of trade unions who would want to keep existing jobs rather than modernise.

    Why do you think she demolished a vibrant national industry and resource in Britain when she fought for British interests in the Falklands?

    It was constantly remarked that Margret Thatcher helped destroy Britain’s industrial industry do you think this is true?

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

  • Everybody in the Western media seems to have forgotten Pussy Riot. Well, not forgotten, they still wheel them out every so often as symbols of the repressiveness of the Putin regime - but news of actual developments in the affair have come to a standstill. Which is a pity, because they undermine the commonly accepted...
  • Speaking as someone not from the outside looking in through a distorting lens, I should imagine that the vast majority of Russian citizens do not consider Pussy Riot in any way as “heroines”, and it those very Russian citizens who are, as Alexander Mercouris has so rightly in my opinion pointed out, “the only people who ultimately matter” in this instance, .

    • Replies: @Fedia Kriukov
    @Moscow Exile

    Indeed, Ildar Adi is a little late to the party. One of the benefits of Russia's disappointment with the west is that these arguments about the need for Russia to maintain its image in the western media are becoming less and less relevant. Russia should just do what is right by Russians, without paying any attention to the western propaganda machinery. I realize I'm saying something that's obvious, but unfortunately this attitude hasn't always been present in framing Russian domestic policies.

    , @Ildar Adi
    @Moscow Exile

    I've failed to notice anyone claim in the Western MSM that Pussy Riot enjoyed a support of majority of Russians. I think it is fairly often reported that feminism, LGBT-rights and other minority rights, the main themes of Pussy Riot act, are irrelevant, at best, to most Russians.

    Replies: @Alexander Mercouris, @Moscow Exile

  • A friend on Facebook said it best: I am personally entirely neutral and indifferent to her. I have British acquaintances who are her fans, as well as those who are very hostile to her. I think both sides overstate her real significance. The coal mines were dead men walking by the 1980's, and any British...
  • For very personal reasons I loathed her and now find myself extremely grateful to her!

    I loathed her for her being, in my opinion, the root cause of the misery and penury that I endured as a 35-year-old miner during the 12 month miners’ strike of 1984-1985 and for the custodial sentence that I received just two weeks before the end of that dispute.

    I loathed her and her government for the post-strike unemployment that I suffered on being released from prison. In fact, after the strike had ended, I, together with a very large number of former striking miners, were blacklisted and had become unemployable in the UK.

    Thanks to Thatcher’s policies, I had to leave the UK in order to gain employment (as Norman Tebbit, her employment minister advised, I “got on my bike” – to Germany), which venture resulted in the widening of my horizons and my decision to enter higher education, which was partly undertaken in Germany and the Soviet Union. For this, I shall, therefore, be ever grateful to Thatcher.

    In the final analysis, then, I have Thatcher to thank for my having a wonderful Russian wife, three beautiful Russian children and peace and contentment in what the vast majority of Thatcherites would no doubt call a “mafia state” run by criminal former KGB operatives.

    If there had been no Thatcher and no strike; if I had continued working underground in my old workplace which had, according to a 1983 seismological survey, at least 30 years of winnable reserves, I should have probably died long before now or suffered serious injury or a debilitating industrially related illness.

    As regards that woman’s death: so what? She was 87. It happens to all of us.

    She made some right political decisions, not least, in my opinion, her choice not to abandon the Falkland Islands to Galtieri and his Junta. Unfortunately, however, her legacy will not be undone, and it is this legacy that I cannot but fail to judge negatively.

    As Shakespeare has Mark Antony say in Julius Caesar:

    “Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
    I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
    The evil that men do lives after them;
    The good is oft interred with their bones;
    So let it be with Caesar.”

  • My post last week on the increasing visibility of the Russian language on the Internet provoked a heated counter-attack from commentator Ildar Adi, who asserted (without much in the way of proof) that it is actually in significant retreat in Europe, the Near Abroad, and even Russia itself. He believes that whereas there were almost...
  • @Ildar Adi
    @Moscow Exile

    I'm not saying that Ukrainian and Russian are not mutually intelligible. I'd even say that there are some grounds to claim them being the same language (but then you would have to say that from a scientific, linguistic point of view Russian is actually a derivative and dialect of Ukrainian).

    I'm saying that Google language detection obviously fails to detect Ukrainian in a sentence that for a human knowing both Russian and Ukrainian is glaringly obvious; therefore it is extremely likely that the Twitter language map has inaccurate and incomplete information about the usage of Ukrainian; therefore the case for disproving linguistic de-Russification in Ukraine by that map collapses.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    Yes, I should have added that one could argue that Russian is a dialect of Ukrainian, though I should think that it would be more accurate to say that both languages originated as dialects of a common proto-East Slavic one.

    I checked out “дяковать”, the verb that I could not recognize, by the way, and from which one arrives at the first person singular “дякую”. It means “to thank” (благодарить) and evolves from the Polish “dzięk”, giving “dziękować” (“благодарность), Polish loan words not being uncommon in the Ukrainian lexis.

    So the expression translates into English as:

    “I thank Thee, O God, for my not being a Muscovite!”

    More colloquially and in Modern English:

    “Thank God I’m not Russian!”

    Which is what I thought it meant at first glance.

  • @Ildar Adi
    @Natalie

    Well, it definitely is not Russian in any sense, is it? Besides, last time I was in Kyiv I saw T-shirts sold with print everywhere.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    It’s not Russian in any sense?

    Looks like a Russian dialect to me. I can’t speak Ukrainian, but I’m pretty sure I know what it
    means.

    4 words in the expression are identical in meaning to Russian: боже, я, не, москаль;

    two words have slight pronunciation differences to their Russian equivalents (тебе, что), resulting in slight changes in their orthography when compared to their Russian cognates, including the letter (i) no longer used in the Russian Cyrillic alphabet: тобі, що;

    the remaining word I do not know but recognize as a verb, as it has an identical 1st person singular ending of a Russian conjugation: дякую.

    Oh, it’s Ukrainian!

    So it IS a Russian dialect.

    So is this, but it’s a dialect of Russian:

    Че те надо?

    🙂

    • Replies: @Ildar Adi
    @Moscow Exile

    I'm not saying that Ukrainian and Russian are not mutually intelligible. I'd even say that there are some grounds to claim them being the same language (but then you would have to say that from a scientific, linguistic point of view Russian is actually a derivative and dialect of Ukrainian).

    I'm saying that Google language detection obviously fails to detect Ukrainian in a sentence that for a human knowing both Russian and Ukrainian is glaringly obvious; therefore it is extremely likely that the Twitter language map has inaccurate and incomplete information about the usage of Ukrainian; therefore the case for disproving linguistic de-Russification in Ukraine by that map collapses.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

  • Anti-corruption efforts have been significantly stepped up in recent months, both in terms of headline making events (e.g. the dismissal of Serdyukov) and the less heralded progress in the introduction of new laws to combat the source. One of these is a ban on Russian bureaucrats holding foreign bank accounts (this represents a watering down...
  • Adomanis started bleating about Russian police brutality after the so-called Bolotnaya riot last year when planned attacks on the police took place and rioters tried to break through the cordon near Udarnik cinema so as to gain access to the bridge across the Moscow River that affords access to the Borovitsky entrance to the Kremlin.

    I took Adomanis to task about his police brutality allegations and asked him for evidence: he replied that the films showing the police beating the poor white ribbonist freedom fighters was evidence enough of their brutality.

    I then queried how he thought the London Metropolitan Police would react if a police cordon of theirs was attacked and broken by demonstrators.

    I for one know full well how the British police react to such confrontations off protesters, having on several occasional suffered assault from them. You see, they don’t like having half bricks chucked at them from within crowds. They’re funny like that.

    • Replies: @Hunter
    @Moscow Exile

    Yes, I never quite understand this anti-police mentality that is found throughout the world. The police are almost always characterized as brutal thugs who are never there when you need them. I am fully aware that at times policemen can be brutal and sometimes show unprovoked brutality or excessive force. However that doesn't mean ANY time a policeman has to draw his baton or his weapon that it's an instance of police brutality. Most of us wouldn't like it if a group of people rushed us, much less if this group of people rushing us were also throwing heavy objects at us.

    Replies: @Alexander Mercouris

  • "I will either return to the Kremlin on a white horse, or in a black limousine to the Mausoleum." It is customary to say something nice about the recently deceased, so here goes... *ahem.* If not for Berezovsky, Putin probably wouldn't be President. UPDATE: As expected, the conspiracy theories have inevitably began to crawl out...
  • Interestingly, having taken a quick glance at the comments to the Forbes article, a large number of people have stated their opinion that the journalist is a “liar”, that the whole piece is a tissue of lies, that the article smacks of the FSB, that it stinks of the Lubyanka etc., etc.

    As regards Berezovsky’s character, I’ve mentioned on other threads that I am acquainted with someone who knew him well in academia and who disliked him intensely. That acquaintance of mine is no intellectual slouch either: he arrived in Moscow as a 14-year-old Wunderkind in order to study mathematics at MGU. At first I thought his dislike of the man was because of his political intrigues and alleged criminality. Not so: he disliked him, he said, because of his immorality.

    At first I thought my acquaintance was referring to some sexual peccadilloes that Berezovsky may have had, but that was not the case. I then asked if he was really referring to Berezovsky’s possible amorality, to which suggestion my acquaintance again replied in the negative, saying that Berezovsky certainly knew the difference between “right” and “wrong” but didn’t give a damn about such trivialities and that the only criterion in his decision making processes was to how great an extent any action he took would be of benefit to him.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    That would be psychopathy, I believe. A most useful quality in politics and business, but it pays to hide it. (Something that BAB doesn't excel at - as he himself admits, he's not "very good" with people).

    I too have read the comments at Russian Forbes with amusement. What can one say? Typical Londongrad.

    , @JLo
    @Moscow Exile

    Forbes Russia's senior editorial staff is staunchly anti-Putin, the though that they'd work for the FSB is comical.

  • As I write the book, I create a lot of graphs. Here is one of them. So in manufacturing terms, as far as cars are concerned, the "deindustrialization" era is decidedly over. Of course it's also important to note that in 1985 they were producing this whereas today they are producing this as well as...
  • @Anonymous
    Largely due to the growth in the consumer class due to high oil prices and protectionist measures imposed by the Russian government. Take away either of those and watch industrial production dry up.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @Leos Tomicek

    Russian auto industry protectionism an a par with this perhaps?

    Ernst Young has stated in its report “An overview of the Russian and CIS automotive industry February 2012” that “We remain positive about the long-term prospects of the Russian automotive industry and believe that the next few years will bring additional significant investment, particularly in the supplier sector”.

    What’s the matter?

    Don’t you also wish every success to capitalism in Russia as well?

  • Continuing from my previous post (which focused mostly on trends), this one focuses exclusively on international comparisons as per the results of Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer survey of 2010-11. The graphs represent affirmative answers to the question of whether the respondent had paid a bribe in the past 12 months to each of 9...
  • @Alexander Mercouris
    The Supreme Court has provided some statistical data on corruption cases.

    http://www.rapsinews.com/anticorruption_news/20130219/266457341.html

    The fact that the number of corruption convictions has roughly halved from 10,000 to just over 5,000 in a few years does not mean (and is not intended to mean) that corruption is getting less emphasis or is achieving greater impunity. It is more likely to mean that corruption overall is getting less common. This is consistent with what is often said about the growth in the size of bribes. The fact that the size of the average bribe in Russia is said to be growing is more likely to be a sign that corruption is becoming riskier and more difficult and therefore less common than that it is increasing.

    The other point the Supreme Court makes is that corruption in the health care, education and the "penitentiary system" (does the last include police doing shakedowns to get bribes?) is as bad as ever. This is important because I suspect it is precisely within these sectors that Russians are most likely to come across corruption in their everyday lives. In other words corruption overall (for example within the business community and the state administration) may be declining but this may not be noticeable to most Russians because it is at the same level in those sectors where they are most likely to come across it.

    Replies: @AP, @Moscow Exile

    I asked my wife about incidences of her paying bribes in her pre- and post-Soviet life. She said that she has paid small bribes, and infrequently at that, and that they have almost always been paid to doctors in order to receive a better quality medicine than that provided by the state health care system.

    But were these really bribes that she admits paying? She was not being denied treatment unless she made a payment: the doctors in question were, rather, earning something “on the side”, albeit unethically.

    I asked her if she could tell me of a bribe she had paid that was not connected with medicine. She told me that when her mother died and on the undertaker’s suggestion she paid him so that he would put make-up on the deceased party’s face. He did a good job, apparently. I told her that that wasn’t a bribe either. She said it was, because she paid him cash in hand. I countered that he was offering an extra service – unethically, maybe – but that she had chosen to pay.

    She also told me that she knew of plenty of students that had paid bribes to enter the prestigious Bauman Moscow State Technical University that she attended. I agreed with her that that was bribery. She stressed, however, that no bribe was paid so that she could study there: she gained entry to Bauman off her own bat.

    I believe her, because Mrs. Moscow Exile is pretty smart.

  • My latest for the US-Russia.org Expert Discussion Panel. Also as usual it appears at Voice of Russia. The version printed here is a slightly longer one: There are already a lot of opinions on the topic of Russian corruption, and I see no pressing need to add more to that morass. I do however think...
  • @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    The children of parents who gave gifts (money) to teachers got extra attention in school, and after school; those who did not were largely ignored by the teachers. If the kid is smart and doesn't ever need extra help, or has parents with time and ability to tutor them, this doesn't matter. But otherwise, if a kid is struggling with a subject and his parents don't give a gift to the teacher, while the parents of another kid do, the latter gets the extra help.

    I wonder if, not being a native, you are automatically (informally) excluded from this system.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @Moscow Exile

    All men are corruptible; the least corruptible have the highest price.

  • @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    The children of parents who gave gifts (money) to teachers got extra attention in school, and after school; those who did not were largely ignored by the teachers. If the kid is smart and doesn't ever need extra help, or has parents with time and ability to tutor them, this doesn't matter. But otherwise, if a kid is struggling with a subject and his parents don't give a gift to the teacher, while the parents of another kid do, the latter gets the extra help.

    I wonder if, not being a native, you are automatically (informally) excluded from this system.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @Moscow Exile

    It’s not a system. It’s what corrupt people do. My wife spends a lot of time at the school that my children attend. It often seems to me that there is a concert there every month for some “day” or other. The next concert coming up is for “Defenders of the Fatherland Day”, February 23rd. She also goes on school excursions. Last week she went to the Pushkin Museum with my elder daughter’s class. Other mothers and fathers do this voluntary work as well. My wife does not pay the teachers bribes and it has never been suggested that she do so.

  • @JLo
    @Moscow Exile

    Your kids are lucky. A British passport without having to actually live in the UK is like the Holy Grail. It's second only to a US passport in access to countries without a visa. A US passport, on the other hand, is more like a curse. You are taxed on global income no matter where you live and now, with FATCA, it's impossible to even open a bank account.

    Thanks for sharing that story, I personally found it fascinating. Not to be too prodding, but you never answered the original question as to why you, yourself, don't get Russian citizenship. Is it the same reason I have?

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    It’s the relinquishing of British citizenship if I accept Russian citizenship that deters me from becoming a Russian citizen. If I became a Russian citizen, that would mean that any future children (unlikely, but a possibility) would not be British citizens; more importantly, it would mean that after my death my wife would, I should imagine, find it difficult to get a visa to visit the UK – even if my children should choose to live there.

    British bureaucrats make her jump through hoops as it is before granting her a visa whenever we visit the UK as a family, which is the main reason why we seldom go there. They demand to know who her sponsor is (I am) and what relationship, if any, she has to her sponsor (they know full well of our relationship – I had to swear an affidavit at the British consulate and in the presence of the consul during the bureaucratic rigmarole that involved marrying her), how long this relationship has existed (I once angrily told them that I hadn’t picked her up the night before in some bar), how much money she plans to take with her and a full itinerary of her intended travels in the UK and the addresses of the places where she will be staying.

    This interrogation always infuriates me! She is, after all, the wife of a British citizen and the mother of three others. They make it perfectly clear to her that if she overstays the period set by her visa, she may be refused any further issue of one.

    They mean what they say. They did just that to a former girlfriend who applied to stay with me for 3 weeks in the UK but only returned with me to Russia one month after her arrival with me in the UK. She was never given a visa again, even though the visa with which she travelled to the UK with me was valid for 6 months: they said, when refusing her next visa application, that she had lied to them when stating that she was previously going to stay in the UK for 3 weeks. And I have a Russian acquaintance who lives in England and who is married to a British citizen; this person’s mother was refused a visa to visit the UK: she wanted to travel there in order to attend his wedding.

    In short, there would be problems for my wife and me if I relinquished my British citizenship as regards travel to the UK and Western Europe. These problems would mostly stem from the British side. When I explain to other Westerners that I have not applied for Russian citizenship, they always assume that this is because I would become a “prisoner” in the “Evil Empire” if I did so. You see, everyone knows that Russians have no freedom of movement both within and without the Mafia State!

  • @Moscow Exile
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In answer to that question, I should first like to say that the circumstances that led to my taking up residence in Russia were rather unusual: in 1992 I was unemployable in the UK (blacklisted), had recently been awarded a degree in Modern Language studies (German and Russian) and had been offered work in Russia by acquaintances whom I had met whilst studying in the USSR.

    When I took up a teaching position in Moscow 20 years ago, I had no intention of returning to the UK: I do not call myself Moscow Exile for no good reason. I was also no youngster in 1992: I was 43. I met my wife in 1997 and married her three months later in the same year. Our first child was born in 1999 when I was 50.

    At the time of my son's birth, there was, in so far as I had up to then been led to believe, no British/Russian dual citizenship. By British law, my son became a British citizen at the moment of his birth. At the time of the registration of his birth, I had to decide which citizenship he was to have. It was the British consul who told me that, as regards Russian law, I had only an "either/or" choice in this matter. He told me that if I wished my son to have both British and Russian citizenship, then I had to make a statement that I was willing that my son be given Russian citizenship and then, after having him registered, I should bring all the Russian documentation concerning his registration and paternity to the British consulate, where he would be registered as my son and he would be granted a British passport if and when I applied for one.

    One year later I applied for a passport for my son and took him and my wife to the UK. When I was handed my son's passport at the consulate, I was warned not to present it at passport control on leaving Russia lest Russian officials try to seize it, as according to their reckoning he was not a British citizen but a Russian one. My then one-year-old son left Russia on his mother's Russian foreign passport. She, of course, had applied for and received a British visitor's visa in order to accompany us to the UK; my son had no need for a British visa because he is British. However, in order to satisfy demands from Russian passport control that he have a UK entry visa, my wife was given a document by the British consul on which was stated that my son had the right of permanent abode in the UK. In other words, he did not need a British visa even though he was a Russian citizen.

    It was all a bloody silly bureaucratic game, I know: the Russians knew he was in reality a British citizen as well as a Russian one, but the demands of the Russian law concerning the non-existence of dual British/Russian citizenship were satisfied.

    Our second child was born one year and four months after the birth of our first, and the same old silly rigmarole was undertaken as regards her registration as a Russian citizen and her acquiring a British passport.

    The reason why I kept my British citizenship was so that my children could acquire it as well. Having a British passport allows them to travel freely throughout the EU and negates visa requirements in many other states, e.g. my children are rather pleased to know that they need no visa in order to travel to the USA to visit Disneyworld. And when we all went to Eurodisney last year, my wife needed no visa as she is the wife of an EU citizen.

    So I hung on to my British citizenship in order to widen the options for my offspring. And having married late in life, and having also decided to do my little bit in alleviating the Russian demographic crisis, I decided to father as many Anglo-Russians as my wife would allow me.

    Our last child was born 4 years ago. However, when our youngest child was given a British passport before we set off on a visit to the UK in 2010 (my fifth of very short ones there in the course of 20 years), I asked if it was still necessary not to show it at Sheremet'evo passport control, only to be told that all that silly playing around had long ago ceased. So we now travel as a family with a bundle of passports: four British ones and four Russian, and use them where appropriate. Whether this means that there now exists dual Anglo-Russian citizenship, I do not know.

    The strange thing about all of this - and it is the British that are to blame for this stupidity - is that although I and my family can all move to anywhere in the EU to live and work (my children because they are British citizens and my wife because she is married to an EU citizen), my wife cannot move to the UK to live and work there: to do that, she would have to apply for British citizenship. However, if she lived in another EU state for 6 months - and this she can freely do if in my company as my wife - she would then be allowed to live and work in in the UK.

    So although there are plenty of Russians living in the UK who are citizens of the Baltic States - not to mention Berezovsky and Abramovich's divorced wives, who are British citizens because their former husbands are fat cats - my wife is not allowed to live in England because she is a damned foreigner and a bloody Russian to boot!

    Notwithstanding the fact that I possess a British passport, I have no plans in the foreseeable future for returning to the UK in order to live there with my family, though I do often tell my folk "back home" that I shall return when England is a republic.

    In any case, I much prefer living in Russia and I have never been as happy in my life than when I am living at my dacha in summer with my wife and children.

    Freedom is an attitude of mind!

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @JLo

    PS I’ve just checked it out and the Russian state now recognizes dual British/Russian citizenship.

    I remember now that that “right of abode in the UK” document that I mentioned above and which was granted by the British consulate to my son in 2000 was, in fact, a stamp that they put into my wife’s Russian foreign passport next to my son’s name and which read “Indefinite leave to remain in UK”.

    We were told to use my wife’s stamped passport for my son’s Russian exit and his new British passport for entrance into the UK at Heathrow. I remember walking through “UK & EU Citizens” gate there with my son in my arms whilst my wife had to wait in line for ages with the “aliens”.

    When returning to Russia, my son left the UK using his British passport and entered Russia using his mother’s. That was in August 2000.

    In August 2007 we paid our next visit to the UK, but this time with my elder daughter in tow. I remember now that when I asked at the British consul about the indefinite leave stamp, they just said that that there was no longer any need for one. It was the same when we next visited the UK in 2010 with our younger daughter. As for myself, I just present passport control with my residence permit together with my British passport whenever I come back “home” to Russia.

    The last time we all did this multi-passport and, in my case, passport/residence permit travelling was last November after visiting Euro-Disney near Paris: no problems whatsoever, and our outward bound journey was via Riga.

    So the law in Russia as regards dual British/Russian citizenship must have changed between 2000 and 2007, as did the law concerning Russian passports and the issuing of them to minors as well as the removal of the “nationality” entry from them.

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    @ME,

    Out of curiosity, what's stopping you from going the full 9 yards and getting Russian citizenship? I know that there are zero problems with having dual UK/Russian citizenship and plenty of benefits e.g. much easier to visit "rogue" countries like Iran, Syria, Cuba, etc.

    Obviously feel free not to answer this question as it's a bit personal.

    Replies: @JLo, @Moscow Exile

    In answer to that question, I should first like to say that the circumstances that led to my taking up residence in Russia were rather unusual: in 1992 I was unemployable in the UK (blacklisted), had recently been awarded a degree in Modern Language studies (German and Russian) and had been offered work in Russia by acquaintances whom I had met whilst studying in the USSR.

    When I took up a teaching position in Moscow 20 years ago, I had no intention of returning to the UK: I do not call myself Moscow Exile for no good reason. I was also no youngster in 1992: I was 43. I met my wife in 1997 and married her three months later in the same year. Our first child was born in 1999 when I was 50.

    At the time of my son’s birth, there was, in so far as I had up to then been led to believe, no British/Russian dual citizenship. By British law, my son became a British citizen at the moment of his birth. At the time of the registration of his birth, I had to decide which citizenship he was to have. It was the British consul who told me that, as regards Russian law, I had only an “either/or” choice in this matter. He told me that if I wished my son to have both British and Russian citizenship, then I had to make a statement that I was willing that my son be given Russian citizenship and then, after having him registered, I should bring all the Russian documentation concerning his registration and paternity to the British consulate, where he would be registered as my son and he would be granted a British passport if and when I applied for one.

    One year later I applied for a passport for my son and took him and my wife to the UK. When I was handed my son’s passport at the consulate, I was warned not to present it at passport control on leaving Russia lest Russian officials try to seize it, as according to their reckoning he was not a British citizen but a Russian one. My then one-year-old son left Russia on his mother’s Russian foreign passport. She, of course, had applied for and received a British visitor’s visa in order to accompany us to the UK; my son had no need for a British visa because he is British. However, in order to satisfy demands from Russian passport control that he have a UK entry visa, my wife was given a document by the British consul on which was stated that my son had the right of permanent abode in the UK. In other words, he did not need a British visa even though he was a Russian citizen.

    It was all a bloody silly bureaucratic game, I know: the Russians knew he was in reality a British citizen as well as a Russian one, but the demands of the Russian law concerning the non-existence of dual British/Russian citizenship were satisfied.

    Our second child was born one year and four months after the birth of our first, and the same old silly rigmarole was undertaken as regards her registration as a Russian citizen and her acquiring a British passport.

    The reason why I kept my British citizenship was so that my children could acquire it as well. Having a British passport allows them to travel freely throughout the EU and negates visa requirements in many other states, e.g. my children are rather pleased to know that they need no visa in order to travel to the USA to visit Disneyworld. And when we all went to Eurodisney last year, my wife needed no visa as she is the wife of an EU citizen.

    So I hung on to my British citizenship in order to widen the options for my offspring. And having married late in life, and having also decided to do my little bit in alleviating the Russian demographic crisis, I decided to father as many Anglo-Russians as my wife would allow me.

    Our last child was born 4 years ago. However, when our youngest child was given a British passport before we set off on a visit to the UK in 2010 (my fifth of very short ones there in the course of 20 years), I asked if it was still necessary not to show it at Sheremet’evo passport control, only to be told that all that silly playing around had long ago ceased. So we now travel as a family with a bundle of passports: four British ones and four Russian, and use them where appropriate. Whether this means that there now exists dual Anglo-Russian citizenship, I do not know.

    The strange thing about all of this – and it is the British that are to blame for this stupidity – is that although I and my family can all move to anywhere in the EU to live and work (my children because they are British citizens and my wife because she is married to an EU citizen), my wife cannot move to the UK to live and work there: to do that, she would have to apply for British citizenship. However, if she lived in another EU state for 6 months – and this she can freely do if in my company as my wife – she would then be allowed to live and work in in the UK.

    So although there are plenty of Russians living in the UK who are citizens of the Baltic States – not to mention Berezovsky and Abramovich’s divorced wives, who are British citizens because their former husbands are fat cats – my wife is not allowed to live in England because she is a damned foreigner and a bloody Russian to boot!

    Notwithstanding the fact that I possess a British passport, I have no plans in the foreseeable future for returning to the UK in order to live there with my family, though I do often tell my folk “back home” that I shall return when England is a republic.

    In any case, I much prefer living in Russia and I have never been as happy in my life than when I am living at my dacha in summer with my wife and children.

    Freedom is an attitude of mind!

    • Replies: @Moscow Exile
    @Moscow Exile

    PS I've just checked it out and the Russian state now recognizes dual British/Russian citizenship.

    I remember now that that "right of abode in the UK" document that I mentioned above and which was granted by the British consulate to my son in 2000 was, in fact, a stamp that they put into my wife's Russian foreign passport next to my son's name and which read "Indefinite leave to remain in UK".

    We were told to use my wife's stamped passport for my son's Russian exit and his new British passport for entrance into the UK at Heathrow. I remember walking through "UK & EU Citizens" gate there with my son in my arms whilst my wife had to wait in line for ages with the "aliens".

    When returning to Russia, my son left the UK using his British passport and entered Russia using his mother's. That was in August 2000.

    In August 2007 we paid our next visit to the UK, but this time with my elder daughter in tow. I remember now that when I asked at the British consul about the indefinite leave stamp, they just said that that there was no longer any need for one. It was the same when we next visited the UK in 2010 with our younger daughter. As for myself, I just present passport control with my residence permit together with my British passport whenever I come back "home" to Russia.

    The last time we all did this multi-passport and, in my case, passport/residence permit travelling was last November after visiting Euro-Disney near Paris: no problems whatsoever, and our outward bound journey was via Riga.

    So the law in Russia as regards dual British/Russian citizenship must have changed between 2000 and 2007, as did the law concerning Russian passports and the issuing of them to minors as well as the removal of the "nationality" entry from them.

    , @JLo
    @Moscow Exile

    Your kids are lucky. A British passport without having to actually live in the UK is like the Holy Grail. It's second only to a US passport in access to countries without a visa. A US passport, on the other hand, is more like a curse. You are taxed on global income no matter where you live and now, with FATCA, it's impossible to even open a bank account.

    Thanks for sharing that story, I personally found it fascinating. Not to be too prodding, but you never answered the original question as to why you, yourself, don't get Russian citizenship. Is it the same reason I have?

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

  • @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    I was in Moscow for an extended (over 3 month) visit. I would go there at 10:00 AM, and spend the day there until 3 or 4 to obtain a document. I had to take this document to another office in another part of town to get a stamp on the document and return to ovir with that stamp, wasting another day at ovir. This was repeated. The entire process took 4 6-hour days (once after a day at ovir they never got to me so it was a wasted day and I had to return). It wasn't even terribly crowded when I was there. I'm amazed that you were able to do this on your lunchbreaks. Perhaps it was a time-of-year thing. It was quite stupid of me to do go through that lengthy process, of course - in future trips for a couple hundred dollars an agency would obtain a business visa or something like that with zero wait time for me.

    My wife getting a foreign passport was similarly a pain; fortunately a friend of a friend worked in the foreign ministry and she got a passport through them without spending a week of her life in the bureaucracy (and within a month rather than after six months or whatever). This wasn't free.

    I would say that in day-to-day life my friends and in-laws in Moscow don't pay bribes (most of them don't drive). Enough are in medical fields that they don't need to pay money for access to good healthcare, and the kids are smart enough to do well on their own merits although they have to work a lot harder than do those who bribe. The ones in academia don't take bribes, they have economic means outside their professions (giving conferences abroad, publishing books, renting out flats downtown that they inherited when the Soviet state disappeared, and supplementing income with private tutoring). The in-laws are very principled - they even paid their taxes in the 90's, when the tax collector himself told them that they really didn't have to do that.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @AP

    This business you did at Taganka OVIR was such a pain because, I presume, you had to get a temporary residence permit quickly.

    When I have had to go through this residency permit malarkey, I’ve had all the time in the world because I live here with my Russian wife and family.

    I used to get a multi-entry visa every year, but the rules concerning this procedure kept on changing so frequently that in the end I decided to go for the full residency permit for a foreign citizen. The reason why I had not decided to do this earlier was simply because of all the tales I had heard about the tortuous nature of the bureaucracy involved in getting such a permit.

    The first thing I had to do in this respect 9 years ago was to apply at Taganka OVIR for the necessary documentation and prove to them by my tax returns that I was earning at least the minimal income as set annually by Moscow City Hall or that I had in a Russian bank account no less than £17,000 (quoted 800,000 rubles) – a sum which, it seems, varies year in year out. This was to convince them that having received permission to be resident here, I should not be a burden on the state. This money had to be transferred from my account in the UK. I contested this rule with the Taganka OVIR director, asking her if all the Tadzhiks lined up outside in the corridor also had to prove that they had £17,000 in the bank. She got rather irritated at my temerity in posing such a question, but then pulled out a file that contained details of all the foreign residents in the Taganka Moscow district who had permanent residency permits. She pointed out that they all had had to prove their solvency in this way. (Interestingly, I noticed that very many of them were Italian.)

    Getting this money transferred from the UK was a pain – and it cost, of course.

    Then I had to start a trek around Moscow to prove that I was sound in mind and limb.

    My first port of call was Bolshaya Tartarskaya St., where I had to prove that I was employed and had a work permit. I had to take to this place documentation from my employer. I then received a stamped document. It cost me a couple of hundred rubles I think – as did all the subsequent stamped documents. All the fees had to be paid in first at a local Sberbank and the receipt of payment shown in order to receive the appropriately stamped document.

    On another day I went to a dispensary at Bolshaya Gruzinskaya St., where they did blood tests to find out if I had syphilis, if I was HIV positive etc. Again, a stamped document was duly paid for and received a few days later at the same place.

    Another day – another dispensary at Radio St., where I had chest x-rays to prove that I was not suffering from TB. I received a stamped document there right away.

    Another day – yet another dispensary – this time at Bolshaya Ordynka St. to prove that I wasn’t a junkie. (I did not make these diispensary visits on consecutive days, by the way: the whole business took several weeks.) The doctor asked if I was drug dependent. “No”, I replied, “apart from ethyl alcohol”. He just laughed and stamped the document. He seemed more interested in finding out if there were such places in the UK as I found myself in then: outside in the corridor there were lines of youths waiting for their freebie methadone or whatever. I assured him that there were.

    Another day, and again another dispensary – this time on Tatarskaya St. and almost facing Paveletsky Vokzal; its purpose: to find out if I was crazy. The shrink just asked me if I or any of my family were nuts. I said no. He gave me the appropriately stamped document.

    Then on yet another day back to the place on Bolshaya Tatarskaya, where I handed in my collection of stamped documents. In return, I was given a master document, as it were, multi-stamped to show that I had been cleared by all the dispensaries that I had visited and that I wasn’t, amongst other things, a crazy,TB-suffering, HIV-positive syphilitic.

    Then I had to visit a hell-hole on Pokrovka St. in which I seemed to be the only European present. There I had to hand in my master document and my passport. I was told I would be informed in due course concerning my application for a full residence permit for a foreign citizen.

    I received my “Vid na zhitel’stvo inostrannogo grazhdanina” almost 9 months later at the Taganka OVIR. In all, the whole process took me the best part of a year, most of which time being spent in waiting for the announcement of my having been granted a residency permit.

    Three years later I had to undergo the same process once again.

    Last year, I had to re-register my residence permit. I expected to have to undergo the same old trek around Moscow once more. To my great relief, this proved not to be the case. Apart from my having become a father yet again, my circumstances had not changed: they didn’t ask me about my finances either.

    In February 2012 I handed in my documents at OVIR, which documents I had downloaded on line (progress!), and received my extended by five years full residency permit for a foreign citizen last June. On being handed my permit, I told the girl in the office that I hoped to see her in 5 years’ time.

    On no occasion during the processing of my application for a full residency permit was it suggested that there were ways of speeding up the whole procedure. And even if it had been suggested that I make a payment to hurry things up, I should have refused.

    Perhaps they realized this whenever they saw my British passport. Matter of principle, old boy!

    🙂

  • @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    My brother-in-law's experience with his kid was that teachers expected bribes and those that received them spent extra time on the kids, tutoring them if need be, etc. His child is very bright (and both parents, professors, could tutor on their own) and ended up earning a place for a special math secondary school, one of the top in the country, so the extra help wasn't needed. However, for average kids it makes a big difference because there was a very huge discrepancy in how the kids were treated based on whether their parents gave "gifts" to teachers.

    That school and neighborhood has gone Azeri.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    How did he know that teachers “expected” bribes?

    I have never expected bribes to be asked of me by my children’s teachers nor have teachers ever asked me or my wife for bribes: my children go to school, get taught, do their homework, get their marks. This has been the routine for the past 6/7 years – no veiled suggestions, hints, signs or signals that certain payments may be necessary.

    Perhaps some parents are more than willing to offer money to teachers for extra tuition or for the preferential treatment of their children?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    The children of parents who gave gifts (money) to teachers got extra attention in school, and after school; those who did not were largely ignored by the teachers. If the kid is smart and doesn't ever need extra help, or has parents with time and ability to tutor them, this doesn't matter. But otherwise, if a kid is struggling with a subject and his parents don't give a gift to the teacher, while the parents of another kid do, the latter gets the extra help.

    I wonder if, not being a native, you are automatically (informally) excluded from this system.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @Moscow Exile

  • @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    Is the Taganka OVIR near the Proletarska station? I wasted almost a week of my life waiting there during one of my summers in Moscow. It was ridiculous. Maybe you have been lucky, or I have been unlucky. On later trips, for a couple hunded dollars, I did everything through agencies so I didn't have to wait anywhere; this, I assume is a type of bribery (someone gets that money).

    Prowling outside ovir were cops asking for documents. I suspect - but do not know - this was a good hunting ground because some people would want to get a break for fresh air or a bite to eat at a time when their documents were in the building. Caught without docuiments, they might pay a bribe to avoid further trouble. I dont' drive in Moscow so this was the only time I've ever dealt with the police (fortunately, at the time, I had my passport and travel documents on me).

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    That’s the one! Five minutes’ stroll from my house and I’ve never spent more than half an hour there, probably because of the proximity of my house to the place: I get there before it opens at 10 o’clock.

    The place is always packed out with Caucasians and Central Asians, but every time I’ve been there they’ve been on other business than mine – probably applying first time for a Moscow residence permit.

    You have to apply for that at least 6 months in advance, as such permits have a quota that changes year in year out. Being married to a Muscovite, however, I am exempt from the quota. I should imagine that dodging the quota is the purpose of most bribes.

    I applied for my first three-year probationary “permanent” residence permit, 9 years ago, then, 3 years later, for my “permanent” one, and then last year, for my renewed “permanent” residency permit. You have to reapply for a new “permanent” permit every 5 years.

    After my visit there 9 years ago, when I started the ball rolling in order to get my probationary residency permit, I then had to traipse around Moscow visiting assorted “dispensaries”. The whole operation took a couple of weeks as I had to visit these places during windows in my work schedule. Just over a year after my application, I got my “vid na zhitel’stvo inostrannogo grazhdanina”.

    The reason why so many cops are apparent in the vicinity of the Taganka OVIR is because there is a big cop shop across the street from it.

    Funny thing is, I’ve never heard my wife talk about paying bribes. She was born in 1965 and graduated from the Bauman Moscow State Technical University in the late ’80s. She was a member of the Communist Party for about a year – and then it all ended. In short, she was a child of the Soviet Union. I shall ask her how often she paid bribes. As far as I am aware, she has never paid a bribe to anyone during our 16 years of marriage.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    I was in Moscow for an extended (over 3 month) visit. I would go there at 10:00 AM, and spend the day there until 3 or 4 to obtain a document. I had to take this document to another office in another part of town to get a stamp on the document and return to ovir with that stamp, wasting another day at ovir. This was repeated. The entire process took 4 6-hour days (once after a day at ovir they never got to me so it was a wasted day and I had to return). It wasn't even terribly crowded when I was there. I'm amazed that you were able to do this on your lunchbreaks. Perhaps it was a time-of-year thing. It was quite stupid of me to do go through that lengthy process, of course - in future trips for a couple hundred dollars an agency would obtain a business visa or something like that with zero wait time for me.

    My wife getting a foreign passport was similarly a pain; fortunately a friend of a friend worked in the foreign ministry and she got a passport through them without spending a week of her life in the bureaucracy (and within a month rather than after six months or whatever). This wasn't free.

    I would say that in day-to-day life my friends and in-laws in Moscow don't pay bribes (most of them don't drive). Enough are in medical fields that they don't need to pay money for access to good healthcare, and the kids are smart enough to do well on their own merits although they have to work a lot harder than do those who bribe. The ones in academia don't take bribes, they have economic means outside their professions (giving conferences abroad, publishing books, renting out flats downtown that they inherited when the Soviet state disappeared, and supplementing income with private tutoring). The in-laws are very principled - they even paid their taxes in the 90's, when the tax collector himself told them that they really didn't have to do that.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @AP

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    A contributory factor to my never having had to pay a bribe is probably the fact that I do not drive, so I have never experienced the charms of the local traffic cops at the scene of a breach of traffic regulations.

    That sounds correct. It is also, in principle, pretty easy to solve (e.g. make any fines for traffic violations easily payable via Internet), but no-one has come round to doing that.

    I always think as regards this matter of bribery that “it takes two to tango”: both the demander and giver of a bribe are, in my opinion, just as guilty as each other in the degree of their unethical behaviour.

    I completely agree. The only problem is that you are the exception, not the rule, among ordinary Russians. That is because many Russians want to think up excuses for their own myriad moral failings instead of doing something about it.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    I should just like to comment on my experience of Russian education as regards the education of my three children.

    My 13-year-old son and 12-year-old daughter attend a local state secondary school (that’s “middle school” in Russian and “high school” in US English) and the youngest, my 4-year-old daughter, goes to a local state kindergarten.

    I have no complaints whatsoever about the standard of education that they receive and the professional competence of their teachers. (The director of the school, by the way, is from Dagestan.) In fact, I am of the firm conviction that were they attending school in my home country, the standard of education that my children would be receiving there would be much inferior to that which they now enjoy in Russia.

    As regards the kindergarten that my youngest child attends, on several occasions American colleagues of mine have voiced their amazement at finding out that I have not paid a bribe to ensure my daughter’s enrolment there. It seems that they have all done this in order to have their children attend kindergartens. I suspect that the kindergartens that their children attend are so-called elite ones for expatriates’ and New Russians’ offspring.

    The fact is, I have “gone native” and live as a local does. My children attend a state school and, as the case may be, a state kindergarten. If need be, I go to my local state polyclinic for medical and dental treatment. Again, my colleagues often voice their amazement on finding out that when I speak of treatment at a clinic, I do not mean a “foreign” one.

    I have state insurance and get “free” medical treatment. Soon I shall receive a state pension as well.

    I have also been in hospital three times whilst resident in Russia (diphtheria, pneumonia, broken arm) and did not pay for my treatment. I did not pay any bribes there either, nor was it suggested that I do so.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    My brother-in-law's experience with his kid was that teachers expected bribes and those that received them spent extra time on the kids, tutoring them if need be, etc. His child is very bright (and both parents, professors, could tutor on their own) and ended up earning a place for a special math secondary school, one of the top in the country, so the extra help wasn't needed. However, for average kids it makes a big difference because there was a very huge discrepancy in how the kids were treated based on whether their parents gave "gifts" to teachers.

    That school and neighborhood has gone Azeri.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

  • One of the keystones of the "Dying Bear" meme is the factoid that abortions outnumber births in Russia. As Mark Steyn put it, "When it comes to the future, most Russian women are voting with their fetus." The only problem is that there is no causal relation between abortions and demographic health whatsoever - and...
  • @Sergey
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I lived in USSR in 80es and was old enough to think about availability of this consumption good :) What you were told might have been true in Moscow but not elsewhere. Even in large cities. I had to bring a lot of this staff from foreign trips, and they were precious.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    They certainly were precious. I lived in both Soviet and immediate-post Soviet Voronezh, and condoms brought back with me to the USSR/Russia as a result of my toing and froing between that city and the UK were the greatest gifts that I could hand out to my acquaintances.There were Soviet condoms, but they were always deficit. I think they were made in India. I used to joke that they appeared to have been made out of recycled bicycle inner tubes.

  • My latest for the US-Russia.org Expert Discussion Panel. Also as usual it appears at Voice of Russia. The version printed here is a slightly longer one: There are already a lot of opinions on the topic of Russian corruption, and I see no pressing need to add more to that morass. I do however think...
  • @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    Bribery is sometimes optional. One can choose to wait for hours and days at government offices such as Ovir or make the process much quicker with some money in the right hands.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    But I’ve never had to wait for hours and days at OVIR.

    About seven years ago I underwent the lengthy process of becoming a permanent foreign resident of Moscow, which meant my having to visit several “dispensaries” in different parts of the city in order to undergo medical tests. It was all time consuming and tedious and involved pages of documentation, but nothing untoward.

    The whole process had to be repeated three years later as the so-called permanent residence permit for a foreign citizen is only a probationary one of three year’s duration.And even then, the “vid na zhitel’stvo” that I have now has to be reprocessed every 5 years and each year I have to register my place of residence at my district (Taganka) OVIR.

    I’ll be doing this shortly, and when I do, it’ll take half an hour at most. Yet I hear tales off others of how awful Russian bureaucracy is.

    I don’t think it is: it’s just bureaucracy. I’ve experienced similar tedious bureaucratic processing in my home country. I suppose some people don’t want to wait, but even if I’d had to wait for lengthy periods in the past, on point of principle I still would not have considered giving someone a “present” to speed things up. Furthermore, such an option has never been hinted at by any of the many Russian “chinovniki” that I have had to deal with.

    Perhaps I have just been lucky.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    Is the Taganka OVIR near the Proletarska station? I wasted almost a week of my life waiting there during one of my summers in Moscow. It was ridiculous. Maybe you have been lucky, or I have been unlucky. On later trips, for a couple hunded dollars, I did everything through agencies so I didn't have to wait anywhere; this, I assume is a type of bribery (someone gets that money).

    Prowling outside ovir were cops asking for documents. I suspect - but do not know - this was a good hunting ground because some people would want to get a break for fresh air or a bite to eat at a time when their documents were in the building. Caught without docuiments, they might pay a bribe to avoid further trouble. I dont' drive in Moscow so this was the only time I've ever dealt with the police (fortunately, at the time, I had my passport and travel documents on me).

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

  • I’ve made this comment in other threads before and I shall make it here again: I have lived in Russia for almost 20 years and have never paid a bribe to anyone, nor have I ever been asked to pay one.

    Several years ago I made this same comment on redtape.ru, an expats’ site in Moscow, and was immediately set upon upon by expat businessmen, who accused me of being a sock puppet and not an expat.

    I should add that I am not a businessman and I earn an average Moscow income, paid in rubles.

    A contributory factor to my never having had to pay a bribe is probably the fact that I do not drive, so I have never experienced the charms of the local traffic cops at the scene of a breach of traffic regulations.

    I have expat acquaintances here who also tell me that they have never paid a bribe.

    I always think as regards this matter of bribery that “it takes two to tango”: both the demander and giver of a bribe are, in my opinion, just as guilty as each other in the degree of their unethical behaviour.

    Some would perhaps argue metaphorically against this proposition, saying: if there were no prostitutes, there would be no punters. However, I would argue that the corollary is valid as well: if there were no punters, there would be no prostitutes.

    So, using the German Siemens company as an example: who is the most guilty party in the alleged payments made by that respected and prestigious company in Russia in order to win lucrative contracts there: the Russian party or Siemens?

    Siemens, by the way, has already admitted its guilt in paying bribes in many other countries besides Russia.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    Bribery is sometimes optional. One can choose to wait for hours and days at government offices such as Ovir or make the process much quicker with some money in the right hands.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    A contributory factor to my never having had to pay a bribe is probably the fact that I do not drive, so I have never experienced the charms of the local traffic cops at the scene of a breach of traffic regulations.

    That sounds correct. It is also, in principle, pretty easy to solve (e.g. make any fines for traffic violations easily payable via Internet), but no-one has come round to doing that.

    I always think as regards this matter of bribery that “it takes two to tango”: both the demander and giver of a bribe are, in my opinion, just as guilty as each other in the degree of their unethical behaviour.

    I completely agree. The only problem is that you are the exception, not the rule, among ordinary Russians. That is because many Russians want to think up excuses for their own myriad moral failings instead of doing something about it.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    , @JLo
    @Moscow Exile

    I think your experience is the exception but also important proof that one can indeed live and function in a bribe-free Russia. Anecdotal evidence is fairly important in this case because corruption is so difficult to quantify. FWIW, I believe you.

    I'd like to say that I've never paid a bribe in my close to twenty years in Russia, but it wouldn't be the truth. I do take responsibility for my actions and, in most cases, it was for my own expedience and not because I had to (I've owned a car for almost the entire time I've been here.). The one exception, and where I always had the biggest problems and complaints, was at the airport in Sochi where I am a frequent traveler. The cops would systematically extort money from foreigners for registration violations even in cases where there were none.

    All this being said, it's been several years since I've paid a bribe. The situation in the Sochi airport was eliminated and the cops there don't even check everyone's passport anymore like they used to (Russians were checked to see if there were any warrants outstanding). The traffic police have largely been replaced by speed cameras (try paying THEM a bribe). They do check for drunk driving but from what I hear you can't pay your way out of that for any amount of money. When the traffic police do pull you over, everything's on video camera and the discussion simply doesn't come up. Of course, I'm not suggesting that corruption in either the regular or traffic police has disappeared, just that my own anecdotal evidence suggests a real improvement and effort. Even my most hardcore liberal friends grudgingly admit that law enforcement professionalism has gown by leaps over the past several years.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    @ME,

    Out of curiosity, what's stopping you from going the full 9 yards and getting Russian citizenship? I know that there are zero problems with having dual UK/Russian citizenship and plenty of benefits e.g. much easier to visit "rogue" countries like Iran, Syria, Cuba, etc.

    Obviously feel free not to answer this question as it's a bit personal.

    Replies: @JLo, @Moscow Exile

  • Believe it or not but some people call me a Russophobe. Even more shockingly, perhaps, I plead guilty (at least in the sense that I do not have a very high opinion of the Russian people). There are only two logical alternatives: (1) Claims that Russia really is as good as Western Europe and the...
  • @Little Pig
    @Nikita

    Actually I've been thinking about it and I totally agree. My family never behaves like that. To be honest, I've seen only alcoholics throw their garbage everywhere. And I'm not sure that the author was perfectly honest - if you come to the forest, normally you assign "the garbage bag" before you start eating so that by the end everything is well-packed. It seems to me that the author doesn't have the habit of cleaning herself but still wants to feel superior to the others.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    It all depends on how you’ve been brought up. My wife and none of my Russian acquaintances throw garbage around. My children sometimes did, and I always chastized them and told them to go and pick it up and keep hold of it until they had found a suitable place to dispose of it. And that’s what my dad did with me.

  • I had great fun observing the fallout over Depardieu's "defection" to Russia. The reason for the apostrophes is of course because it had nothing to do with it. It was Depardieu trolling Hollande and the French "Socialists", and Putin trolling Westerners and his own homegrown "democratic journalists." (Or maybe not? In any case, I for...
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    Despite a rise of anti-American, anti-Western sentiment in the last year, Russians still revere the Westerner. They solicit his expertise and even grovel in front of him, while periodically stopping to beat their chests with a thin and tinny pride; they want, in some dark, self-annihilating way, to be the Westerner, to dismiss the part of themselves that is not European as somehow shameful and backwards, while still insisting on Russia’s spiritual superiority. - Julia Ioffe, 2012.

    I don't reproach the Russians for being what they are; what I blame them for is their desire to appear to be what we [Europeans] are... They are much less interested in being civilized then in making us believe them so... They would be quite content to be in effect more awful and barbaric than they actually are, if only others could thereby be made to believe them better and more civilized. - The Marquis de Custine, 1839.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    Thus spake a French aristocrat at the time of the so-called Orleanist July monarchy in France, a French monarchy that had been restored in 1814 after over 25 years of war, first revolutionary and then Napoleonic, had raged throughout most of Europe from Cadiz to Moscow.

    In Custine’s imagination, the uncultured French urban mob, “les sans-cullottes”, and peasants that partook in the early part of those tumulteous revolutionary years that resulted in misery for most of Europe no doubt bore more than a passing resemblance to the huge majority of the Russian population that he beheld during his tour of the Russian Empire.

    Most of Custine’s caustic observations, however, were reserved for the Russian nobility: Russia’s aristocracy, he said, had “just enough of the gloss of European civilization to be ‘spoiled as savages’ but not enough to become cultivated men. They were like ‘trained bears who made you long for the wild ones’”.

    Clearly, Custine considered himself to be a “real” aristocrat.

    Custine very likely looked down his nose at what he perceived to be an uncultured people because he was French, a national habit of which nation that is, in my experience, still evident amongst many French citizens, whose culture is mostly consided by themselves to be the epitome of human civilization.

    Speak the words “culture” and “American” in front of most Frenchmen and observe the polite reaction.

    By the way, I’m very fond of France, its culture and its people.

    • Replies: @Alexander Mercouris
    @Moscow Exile

    Maquis de Custine in 1839 and Julia Ioffe in 2012. When it comes to Russophobia it's plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

    PS: What mighty high opinions of themselves these westerners have.

    Replies: @AM

  • In my 20 years of residence in the Evil Empire I have never come across this “self-loathing, bullshit pride of Russians who want so badly to be Western” that Ioffe writes about. No doubt she has met such Russians: it all depends on whom you hang out with. And even then, I feel that more and more of those who were so previously enamoured with all things Western, after having waited for a couple of hours for their first bite into a Big Mac and for their first swig of Coca-Cola, are changing their opinion, not least because of the ceaseless barrage of animosity from the West directed at all things Russian and clear evidence that US Cold War containment policies towards Russia never ended.

    Oh yes, and US girls are also mostly fat and ugly.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    Despite a rise of anti-American, anti-Western sentiment in the last year, Russians still revere the Westerner. They solicit his expertise and even grovel in front of him, while periodically stopping to beat their chests with a thin and tinny pride; they want, in some dark, self-annihilating way, to be the Westerner, to dismiss the part of themselves that is not European as somehow shameful and backwards, while still insisting on Russia’s spiritual superiority. - Julia Ioffe, 2012.

    I don't reproach the Russians for being what they are; what I blame them for is their desire to appear to be what we [Europeans] are... They are much less interested in being civilized then in making us believe them so... They would be quite content to be in effect more awful and barbaric than they actually are, if only others could thereby be made to believe them better and more civilized. - The Marquis de Custine, 1839.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

  • I have recently been cleaning up my old posts. When I moved from Sublime Oblivion to here, the pictures remained hosted at the old site (there were too many of them to auto-import). So I've been going through ancient posts, manually reattaching pictures (so that they are now hosted at wordpress.com) and making the categories...
  • @Mr. X
    That photo on the ski slope with a shaved head makes you look like a young but future Bond villain.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    It’s Udaltsov bez shades!

    🙂

  • This Open Thread is permanently glued to the front page. Anything goes as long as it's connected in some way to Russia (if not then use the Open Thread at AKarlin). From now on all off-topic comments should be posted here, as I will no longer hesitate about deleting them from other posts.
  • @Journalist
    We all know that the English have always wanted to Colonize Continental Europe, just like they did with much of the World.

    Obviously, England had to be more subtle with Continental Europe, and the English Empire found its chance during WW 1, and England devised its Evil Plan.

    We know that centuries ago, the Alliance of Spain, France, and the Netherlands were planning to invade Britain, but Britain managed to successfully deceive them away from England with the illusion of American Independence.

    America is really a Secret and Unofficial Colony of England, regardless of excellent attempts to deceive the World, with uncooperative Irish American President Kennedy to be contrasted with Puppet Irish American Puppet Clinton.

    If England considering its relations with many British Commonwealth of Nations Countries was not a partner with its Puppet of America, then America would be no one and nothing without its English Puppet Master’s cunning and leadership, and so America knows its place under Secret English Domination.

    The English manufactured the illusion of American Independence, because the Allies of Spain, France, and Holland were going to invade Britain.

    England lured Spain, France and Holland to seek to expand their Empires in an ‘Independence’ movement in America, which they did rather than invade Britain, and they expended their Resources, and America eventually became in appearances Independent from England.

    This bankrupted France and they sold their Territories in America Cheaply, and the Americans took Spanish possessions like Philippines, and Britain did not get the blame for the Philippines Unofficially and Secretly belonging to the British (English) Empire.

    Holland had to give up Belgium, and Spain does not own Gibraltar today, and America had the Holocaust of 30 Million Native Americans to perform, and to use slaves to increase the wealth of the English Empire, and the English did not want to be seen to be the ones who were truly responsible for these Genocides and Crimes Against Humanity.

    We know that the English deliberately delayed the end of WW 1, and designed the Treaty of Versailles in order to start a second Continental European War, in order for England to Divide and Rule Continental Europe by means of its Puppet Colony, America, along with the assistance of the Soviet Union.

    Even though the Soviet Union was not a Puppet of the English like America; the English made them do all they wanted because it was in the Soviet Union’s interest.

    The English did not have the Resources or the Acceptability to overtly Colonize Continental Europe, but had to do it subtly by means of America.

    It is said that America stayed away from WW 1 and WW 2 in Europe for as long as it did, because of Public Opinion, but to Anglo-American Politicians; Public Opinion has as much concern and influence on them as Public Opinion did with Hitler, even though they are more cunning, more subtle, and more ‘gentle’ in managing it.

    England only wanted the Western and Northern Part of Continental Europe, and it wanted a Yugoslavia to deny the Soviets sea access to the Adriatic Sea and therefore to the Mediterranean Sea by means of Draza Mihailovic the Chetnik Serb Leader’s post WW 2 Serbian map.

    I could only provide the less reliable Wikipedia maps of what they wrongly call Greater Serbia, and what is more correctly termed Serbia, because it is Traditional Serbian Land, and it was populated by Serbs at that time.

    Compare a map of Serbia today with Kosovo at http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&cp=10&gs_id=19&xhr=t&q=map+of+serbia&pf=p&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&oq=map+of+ser&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1357700187,d.dGY&fp=c409455af118ddbd&biw=1280&bih=600 , with Draza Mihailovic’s map of Serbia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Greater_Serbia_in_Yugoslavia.png ,and look how the Iron Curtain Countries provided access to the Adriatic Sea at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iron_Curtain_map.svg , and see how Yugoslavia prevented easy Soviet access to the Adriatic Sea, and therefore prevented easy access the Mediterranean Sea.

    It was not possible to make a Greater Albania at that time, and the English gave Albania to Stalin to join the so called Global Communist Brotherhood of Man, but the Albanians like the Croats and the Germans and never wanted this brotherhood of man or even believed in the brotherhood of man, but they only wanted a Greater Mono Ethnic Albania, a Greater Croatia, and a Greater Germany.

    The CIA and the West Germans gave those Croat leaders and those Albanian Leaders the lies that they needed to speak, and the act they needed to act, and with England keeping Continental Europe divided, it keep England as the World Power, and it drained Soviet Resources, which helped England.

    The West Germans asked the English to install the Rule of the Dictatorial Colonels in Greece, and to allow Germany’s Traditional Allies, the Turks to invade and occupy Cyprus, as payback for being against Hitler in WW 2.

    England engineered the Spanish Civil War in order to keep the Spaniards busy fighting amongst themselves, so they could keep stolen Gibraltar.

    England will continue to Rule Continental Europe, even as England Rules much of the World, because England is more intelligent when it is asleep, than other what Countries are when they are awake.

    The thing to learn from all of this; is that if it is really good for Anglo-America, then it is not good for other Countries.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    Where do the Scots, Irish and Welsh come into this?

  • Lost in the furor and liberal butthurt over Depardieu's defection has been a development of far greater import: Russia is going to cardinally change its elections system. According to Putin's directive to the Presidential Administration and the Central Elections Committee, they are to come up with a bill that transforms Russia's current proportional system to...
  • @Sergey
    @Moscow Exile

    I believe there is a party of his supporters already - Narodny Alliance, if I'm not mistaken - and Naval'ny has claimed it as party representing his interests.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    That may well be the case, but I cannot find any mention of Navalny on the Narodny Alliance website:

    http://peoplesalliance.ru/

    • Replies: @Sergey
    @Moscow Exile

    Just google Navalny Narodny Alliance and you'll see mid-December announcements from N. Rumors about him and the party started moving around in summer. I guess he's hedging his bets by not officially leading his party - his brand still has an appeal, but none of the new parties is successful so far.

  • Trouble is, “lawyer, politician, and political and financial activist” (Wiki) Navalny has no party and seems to be of far greater importance to Western journalists than he does to Russian citizens.

    • Replies: @Sergey
    @Moscow Exile

    I believe there is a party of his supporters already - Narodny Alliance, if I'm not mistaken - and Naval'ny has claimed it as party representing his interests.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

  • Believe it or not but some people call me a Russophobe. Even more shockingly, perhaps, I plead guilty (at least in the sense that I do not have a very high opinion of the Russian people). There are only two logical alternatives: (1) Claims that Russia really is as good as Western Europe and the...
  • @Glossy
    Giving a damn about public spaces isn't perfectly correlated with intelligence. There's been some discussion on the Web recently of the fact that 72% of the students in NYC's most prestigious public school, the one with the most meritocratically-elitist admission policy, are Asian. I'm sure that a large majority of those 72% are Chinese kids.

    Well, Manhattan's Chinatown is pretty unkempt. There's a disgusting smell all around there from the numerous establishments selling fish. It seems that restaurants and groceries dump spoiled food on the streets. It's just a generally dirty place, dirtier than Brighton (which, sadly, isn't particularly clean either), dirtier than any part of the Soviet Union that my eyes had seen.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    When I returned to the partially re-united Germany (Königsberg, Stettin, Breslau, Danzig etc. are still Kaliningrad, Szczecin, Wrocław, Gdansk respectively) after having lived in the former “West Germany”, I noticed it to be less tidy than it had been before re-unification. Must be the fault of all those damned Slavs flooding into “das Vaterland”. 🙂

    • Replies: @Scowspi
    @Moscow Exile

    Taking the train from Luebeck to Wismar in 2004, it was immediately apparent when I crossed the former East German border: everything was still notably more shabby than in the West, 14 years after reunification.

  • I’ve lived in Russia for 20 years and can largely vouch for what Anatoly says and also feel that what he has translated concerning the Ukraine rings true.

    When I walk through the woods along the path that leads from my dacha to the country railway halt in order to return to Moscow after having spent the weekend with my family at our summer residence, I am often dismayed by the mounds of rubbish that I see dumped in the undergrowth: empty beer cans and vodka bottles, household garbage, old shoes, clothes, broken items of furniture, food containers etc. I’ve even seen people pitching their full plastic binbags into the woods without any apparent shame whatsoever as they walk to the station. And what gets me is this: they are middle-class, well educated people; they keep beatiful gardens and cosy little cottages in the country, yet they think nothing of dumping their trash not 100 metres from their summer homes. True, there are many who don’t do this, and our dacha territory has two containers in a specially allotted place and they become full every week and are removed weekly. Nevertheless, the majority, I believe, think nothing of of dumping their rubbish in the woods whilst on their way back to Moscow: it’s not their wood; out of sight – out of mind, and Russia is such a big country – the biggest, in fact – and anything that is swept under the Russian carpet, as it were, becomes invisible within the great expanse of the Russian land.

    However, I must stress that I have seen exactly the same kind of behaviour in my native England perpetrated by all classes of people: there are always the bone-idle, lethargic, indolent or “fuck-you-why-should-I-be-bothered” types everywhere. Furthermore, many of these anti-social louts have the attitude that to obey “the rules”, to leave the place as you find it, to be neighbourly to those whom you don’t know and perhaps won’t even care for, is a sign of craven weakness. I think this attitude is especially prevalent amongst many Russian males.

    I remember how over 10 years ago I was travelling home quite late by metro, when suddenly I smelt cigarette smoke. Smoking is, of course, forbidden in the metro, and at first I thought the motorman must be smoking in his cab and that there must be a crack in the parittion wall separating it fom the remainder of the first carriage in which i was travelling. And then I saw him. Squatting on his haunches next to the front slide-doors of the carriage was a youth – and he was smoking. At the same time, he was glaring at the passengers, as though saying: “Go on! Try and tell me to stop”. He’d clearly been drinking, but he wasn’t too drunk – not by Russian standards at least.

    He finished his smoke and got off the train. No one told him to quit smoking, No one said a word to him. And I thought, if this were in Germany, there would be a riot! (I have lived for several years in Germany.)

    I said nothing either.

    I suppose I’ve “gone native”.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    Yes, I've noticed the ubiquitous garbage piles while riding the electrichka from Moscow to the in-laws' dacha too (the dacha itself and the neighborhood it's in are a pristine pine forest). I didn't see this when taking an electrichka out of Lviv.

  • This Open Thread is permanently glued to the front page. Anything goes as long as it's connected in some way to Russia (if not then use the Open Thread at AKarlin). From now on all off-topic comments should be posted here, as I will no longer hesitate about deleting them from other posts.
  • @johnUK
    @Alexander Mercouris

    When has Russia ever made a good response?

    Replies: @Alexander Mercouris, @Moscow Exile

    On 7th August, 2008.

  • @johnUK
    Tyrant Putin demolishes Evangelical church.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwUMnblShWw

    Is Putin creating a Russian Orthodox theocracy?

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    No.

  • @johnUK
    @donnyess

    "The PR story is pretty much dead already…the two main offenders will now have to deal with mad dog killers and space paranoids as they fight their way up the gulag pecking order"

    You wish.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/29/us-russia-pussyriot-idUSBRE89S10R20121029

    Replies: @Alexander Mercouris, @Moscow Exile

    From the above link to Reuters:

    “Viewers”, she [Samutsevich] said, “didn’t see us, they didn’t hear us because the federal TV channels have done their best to cut out our speech. They would cut all the episodes from the video (of Pussy Riot performing in the cathedral) where you could hear the lyrics of the songs. And when people hear the lyrics, they immediately understand the purpose of our action”.

    She is being rather untruthful.

    Samutsevich is spinning the lie to Reuters that the West wishes to hear: that there is no free access to information in Russia; that all information is filtered and controlled by the government.

    She is lying through her teeth because she knows full well that the Pussy Riot “performance” that resulted in the imprisonment of two of them can be freely accessed in Russia by anyone anywhere on You Tube. Furthermore, she also knows full well that the words of the lyrics of their “prayer” can be heard on You
    Tube and read on numerous Internet sites. She also knows full well that the those You Tube lyrics were dubbed onto the video after they had caterwauled in the cathedral.

    A video of their cathedral performance can also be seen in some Russian “Kremlin friendly” on line newspapers such as Moskovsky Komsomolets. That
    video recording was clearly shot by a worshipper or visitor on a cellphone
    camera and the only discernable lyrics that one can hear them screeching are “Shit, shit, shit, Our Lord’s shit!” Whilst “performing”, some of them can also be seeen kicking their legs high in the air, thereby exposing their crotches as another repeatedly and mockingly crosses and prostrates herself before being
    hauled off by a security man.

    Of course, they did not intend to offend anyone by their actions – so they claim.

    One of the worshippers witnessing all of this can be heard off camera saying “Why are they doing this?” and another says “Prostitutes!”

    As one of the PR performers rushes past some worshippers on her way to the exit, one old man says “Fools” and a young man who can be seen hurrying off with the “artistes” replies “You’re a fool yourself!”

    I’m sure the young man is Verzilov, Tolokonnikova’s so-called husband, whom she now seems to have distanced herself from.

  • My latest contribution to the US-Russia.org Expert Discussion Panel this one focusing on whether the West foregoes "incalculable benefits" by continuing the Cold War. Unlike previous Panels, on which I aimed for balance, here I make no apologies at pointing a finger straight to where I believe the blame belongs: I recently began reading Martin...
  • @Scowspi
    @AP

    Yes, "Africa begins at the Pyrenees" and all that. (Attributed to A. Dumas, who was part African himself.)

    Interestingly, while googling that phrase, the auto-complete also suggested "Africa begins at Rome" and "Africa begins at Calais."

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    The British racist expression that referred to all except God’s chosen ones, namely the British – more exactly, the English – was, or perhaps still is amongst some: Wogs begin at Calais.

  • @Alexander Mercouris
    Dear Anatoly,

    An excellent article.

    The great difficulty I have explaining or even understanding US and western policy towards Russia is precisely that it is irrational. How to explain or understand what is not rational? I am going however to make a few very tentative points:

    1. Like most people I assumed for much of my life during the Cold War that western hostility to Russia had an ideological cause. The fact that this hostility has actually intensified since the Cold War makes me doubt this. At this point I want to second a comment recently made by the US historian Stephen Cohen in his now famous diatribe against the US media (and Luke Harding). Western media coverage of Russia is actually worse and more hostile than it was during the Cold War. Also during the Cold War there were some leftwing people in the western media who had some residual sympathy with the USSR. There are no such sympathisers for Russia in the western media today.

    2. I do not really know or understand why this hostility to Russia has increased or even intensified since the end of the Cold War. I have to say that I doubt that it is because of the inertia of Cold War thinking. Western policy makers know perfectly well that they are confronting Russia not the USSR and western nations have previously shown flexibility and willingness to accomodate other foes as shown in the quick transformation in attitudes towards Germany and Japan after the end of the Second World War.

    3. I think one reason may be that Russia is simply too big and potentially too rich and too powerful to fit comfortably into the western family. The US does not want Russia in NATO because such a large and powerful country with its own nuclear deterrent would be a challenger to the US's unquestioned leadership of NATO. The US cannot bully Russia in the UN Security Council. Imagine if it had to deal with Russia in NATO! The European countries for their part do not want Russia in the EU because as by far the biggest European country and also potentially the richest and the one with by far greatest supplies of energy, food and raw materials Russia would ulltimately come to dominate it far more completely than Germany has now done. Since Russia cannot be included in the western family it therefore has to be kept outside. Since there is however no real philosophical or ideological justification for excluding Russia given the extent to which Russia is a "European" "Christian" country (and is much more "European" and "Christian" than countries like Albania and Turkey, which are members of NATO and supposedly future members of the EU) Russia inevitably has to be demonised in order to justify its exclusion.

    4. Excluding Russia however also poses a special set of problems for the US and the west given the extent to which Russia is a "European" "Christian" country. The NATO/EU combine is supposed to bring together all the major "European" "Christian" (in a cultural sense) "democracies" in north America and Europe under US leadership. However Russia apart from the US is by far the biggest "European" "Christian" country. A Russia that achieves prosperity and worse still democracy and social justice outside this combine therefore represents an existential threat to US leadership of the "democratic" "European" and "Christian" world. Arguably it is precisely because Russia poses an existential threat to the US in a way that China as a non "European" non "Christian" and non "democratic" country does not that Russia comes in for so much more hostility than China.

    Replies: @R.C., @Moscow Exile, @Anatoly Karlin

    And there is also the barely hidden racist attitude of the Western media towards Russians, in that they are “different”, not Europeans, are Asian, outsiders, barbaric, cruel, not to be trusted, dirty (the “Moscow metro stinks” is a regular Russian meme), drunkards, degenerates, lazy, idiotic, sexually perverted etc., etc. One can, it seems, say anything about “Russians” without any censure whatsoever. I have heard them on more than one occasion being referred to by US citizens here in Moscow as “snow niggers”.

    • Replies: @Scowspi
    @Moscow Exile

    "not Europeans, are Asian,"

    I'm wondering why this should be construed as an insult. Should one assume that being European automatically makes one superior? Also, in this day and age when Asia is the most dynamic part of the world, what's wrong with being Asian?

    Personally I've always thought of Russians as Eurasian - a fitting designation for a country which has most of its population in Europe and most of its land in Asia, which as far as I know makes it unique in the world.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Hunter
    @Moscow Exile

    Well the "snow niggers" insult fits in well with other denigrating names developed in the US such as "sand niggers" (referring to Arabs) and to the original meaning of "white niggers" (which originally referred to the Irish).

    Replies: @johnUK

  • It's already a pretty big list, so I won't be taking nominations for more. I hope to write reviews of all of them as they're (re)read. The Return (Daniel Treisman) - the best Russian politics books out there. 5/5 Armageddon Averted (Stephen Kotkin) - TBR (to be read) Putin (Chris Hutchins, Alexander Korobko) - TBR,...
  • In its twilight days the Exile featured lengthy articles where Ames simply described in crude detail how he had picked up “dyevs” and seduced them. He made no secret of the very young age of some of these girls and in his articles he was often ridiculing their naivity. For a while he lived in Moscow near where I live and one of his seduction venues was a small local eatery eatery called the American Bar (its now a pelmeni house). I used to keep my eyes open for his presence whenever I was near the place to check out the age of his latest conquest. Never caught sight of him though. He was a criminal for sure and should have been apprehended for seduction of minors.

  • According to the latest data, in Jan-Aug 2012 there were 1,253,000 births (2011 - 1,171,000); 1,274,200 deaths (2011 - 1,299,800). Therefore, the rate of natural decrease plummeted from 128,800 in 2011 to just 21,200 this year. Bearing in mind that natural growth was about zero for the September-December period last year, this means that even...
  • This post is a continuation of the last, and can otherwise be called "Konstantin von Eggert: A Case Study In Democratic Journalism (part 2)." Alternatively, one might view it as a refutation of claims that the Kremlin controls or censors the Russian media (Eggert's own protestations, hilarious and Orwellian in the context of what follows,...
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    There are all of course interesting facts, but I question the wisdom of making an issue of them. IMO what Eggert said (and continues to say) is far more relevant to the analysis of democratic journalism, not to say damning.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    I agree: he writes shit. But I find it annoying that his addition of a title to his name, whether bogus or not, and the granting of a title to him by the British government, for some seems to add lustre and authority to the dreck that he writes.

    You can’t polish a turd!

  • @Moscow Exile
    @Ken Macaulay

    So von Eggert and Adamkus have joined those honoured ranks also occupied by the Russian traitor and former Colonel of the KGB Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky, who was appointed Companion of the Most Distinguished Order of St Michael and St George (CMG) for "services to the security of the United Kingdom" in the 2007 Queen's Birthday Honours.

    Somebody somewhere in Whitehall has a wry sense of humour: the CMG is the same award that fictional true-Brit hero James Bond was awarded.

    Adamkus, by the way, has the not so-honourable record of being the last living European head of state to have served in the Wehrmacht:

    See: http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20050511/39967058.html

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Moscow Exile

    Come to think of it, there still is in office a European head of state who, although by all accounts unwillingly, served in the Wehrmacht in WWII: Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger, otherwise known as the Pope Benedict XVI.

  • @Ken Macaulay
    Von Eggert does actually have some connection to Royalty, according to http://ceness-russia.org/index.php?id=300

    "In 2008 Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has created Konstantin Honorary Member of the Civic Division of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire."

    He also got in "same year President Valdas Adamkus awarded him Commander's Cross of the Order of Merits to Lithuania." although I don't think that one allows to him any fancy titles.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    So von Eggert and Adamkus have joined those honoured ranks also occupied by the Russian traitor and former Colonel of the KGB Oleg Antonovich Gordievsky, who was appointed Companion of the Most Distinguished Order of St Michael and St George (CMG) for “services to the security of the United Kingdom” in the 2007 Queen’s Birthday Honours.

    Somebody somewhere in Whitehall has a wry sense of humour: the CMG is the same award that fictional true-Brit hero James Bond was awarded.

    Adamkus, by the way, has the not so-honourable record of being the last living European head of state to have served in the Wehrmacht:

    See: http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20050511/39967058.html

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Moscow Exile

    There are all of course interesting facts, but I question the wisdom of making an issue of them. IMO what Eggert said (and continues to say) is far more relevant to the analysis of democratic journalism, not to say damning.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    , @Moscow Exile
    @Moscow Exile

    Come to think of it, there still is in office a European head of state who, although by all accounts unwillingly, served in the Wehrmacht in WWII: Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger, otherwise known as the Pope Benedict XVI.

  • @Alexander Mercouris
    @AP

    As Jennifer says the brothers Dominic and Anatole Lieven are a case in point. Both are genuine aristocrats. A friend of mine who was Dominic's student tells me that he is very proud of his ancestry and likes to tease his students about it by saying for example when he is travelling to Turkey that he is "going to Byzantium". Neither brother would however dream of using the "von".

    To get an idea of how obsolete the "von" has become, think how many pre war Germans one knows who used it and compare that with how rarely one comes across it in the names of important Germans today.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    Of all the German presidents of the German Federal Republic and of the Weimar Republic before that, only one, Richard Karl Freiherr von Weizsäcker (1984-1994), had the “von” in his name – and he didn’t use the title “Freiherr”, literally “free lord” and 2nd in the German rank of nobility, being above “Ritter” (knight) and below “Graf” (Count).

    In the Bismarck Reich there were no presidents, the head of state being the Kaiser. The Kanzler (Cnancellor) was (and still is) chief of the executive. These were Graf Otto von Bismarck, Graf Leo von Caprivi, Fürst (Prince) Chlodwig zu Hohenlohe-Schillingsfürst, Fürst Bernhard von Bülow, and Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg. After Bethmann-Hollweg came revolution and the abdication of the Kaiser.

    Since that time there have only been three chancellors who were either an aristocrat or of the nobility: Fürst Maximilian of Baden, who was chancellor for one month in 1918; Franz von Papen (1932); and Kurt von Schleicher
    (1933). After Scleicher came the Austrian corporal who soon took upon himself the title of Führer.

  • @AP
    @Leos Tomicek

    Nope. An example:

    http://pl.linkedin.com/pub/witold-de-sas-zubr/5/617/79a

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @Leos Tomicek, @AP

    I once knew of a working girl called Fifi de Filth. She was neither French nor noble.

  • In 2008, Commissar of Transitionology Michael McFaul and his lab assistant Kathryn Stoner-Weiss wrote: "The myth of Putinism is that Russians are safer, more secure, and generally living better than in the 1990s—and that Putin himself deserves the credit... In terms of public safety, health, corruption, and the security of property rights, Russians are actually...
  • @Glossy
    That's an interesting graph. I remember Gorbachov's anti-alcohol campaign very well. At school we were shown a movie of retarded kids, the kind of thing that you watch while covering your eyes. They told us that if we drank, our kids would turn out like that. There were also long lectures without pictures. I remember adults talking about coupons on alcohol, stories of people drinking cologne, bug spray and machine alcohol.

    The graph shows a huge drop in alcohol poisoning deaths in the late 1980s. Dope enthusiasts love to say that banning doesn't work. Lefty American historians always say that Prohibition didn't work in the US, yet I don't remember them ever citing any numbers. Recently I saw an ad for a Ken Burns documentary about the Prohibition subtitled "how can everyone have been so wrong?" or something like that. If Ken Burns puts his weight behind an idea, how can that idea not be wrong?

    That graph says that Gorbachov's anti-alcohol campaign, which I remember so well, worked. It wasn't a ban of course, just a severe restriction in supply, an increase in price and lots of propaganda. But the graph suggests that it worked spectacularly. Fewer people died. I'm keeping my "banning works" assumption.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Scowspi, @Moscow Exile

    I lived in Voronezh during the final year of the Soviet Union and Gorbachev’s booze regulation was resented by virtually everyone. Word used to get round when and where the next delivery of vodka was to take place (“Gastronom No.37 – tomorrow morning, 8 o’clock!”) and huge queues used to appear at the designated venue with the alkies at the front battling away for the limited supply of spirits. I say “limited”, but there used to be a wagon load delivered – only it was for the whole city. Most of it was vodka “Rossiya”, the locally distilled stuff,
    but top quality “Zolotoye Koltso” (Golden Ring) used to appear as well. Few could afford that because it cost 12 rubles for 75 cc. I could because I was stinking rich at the time, recieving 400 rubles grant each month off the bountiful
    Soviet government, whereas Soviet students were lucky if they got 40 rubles a
    month. Samagon (hooch) was plentiful, though, as was Russian Eau de Cologne, which wasn’t dabbed behind of one’s ears.

  • This post is a continuation of the last, and can otherwise be called "Konstantin von Eggert: A Case Study In Democratic Journalism (part 2)." Alternatively, one might view it as a refutation of claims that the Kremlin controls or censors the Russian media (Eggert's own protestations, hilarious and Orwellian in the context of what follows,...
  • @Jennifer Hor
    @Scowspi

    In a public library where I used to work years ago, we had a book on the Baltic states written by the British journalist Anatol Lieven whose family used to be part of the Baltic German aristocracy. The family traces its lineage back to a Livonian chief who lived nearly a thousand years ago. There is a Wikipedia article on the Lieven family (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieven) and some of their number used "von" as part of their surname in the past but current members have dropped it.

    In Tsarist Russia if you reached a certain level of public service and income, you were entitled to own property and have tenants working for you, and you became part of the aristocracy. Vladimir Lenin's father Ilya Ulyanov reached the level of Actual Civil Counsellor in the Table of Ranks (see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actual_Civil_Councellor) and technically could call himself a noble; born of poor parents of Tatar or Kalmyk background, he really was a self-made man and proof that upward social mobility did exist in Russia in the 1800s. The British actress Helen Mirren's family (originally Mironov) attained aristocratic status in Russia some time in the 1700s.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    As regards Lenin being the son of a hereditary noble, which he was after his father, having become state schools inspector for the governership, had been moved up in the table of ranks to the position of Actual Civil Counsellor (the rank system resembled the present British system in that there were equivalents to life peers and hereditary ones), Vladimir Ilyich was not averse to using his nobility whenever it suited. After his elder brother had been hanged for his
    association with the plotters of tsar Alexander II’s assassination, Lenin, like all other radical students, was thrown off his degree course on the orders of
    Alexander II’s son, Alexander III. The young Lenin and his doting mother spent a great deal of time appealing for his re-instatement. In the letters that the young Ulyanov wrote appealing for re-instatement, he signed them “Hereditary
    nobleman V.I.Ulyanov”. His pulling of rank failed, however, and he eventually graduated from an extra-mural law course.

    There’s a Russian nobility organization in London as well. The last time I was in London was at eastertide many years ago and I attended the Easter vigil there at the Russian Orthodox cathedral in Kensington. That was in 1991 and I became acquainted with several there who claim to be descendants of the Russian nobility, though none of them had visited Russia or could speak Russian (though I dare say there are many who have done so and who can).
    They have an annual nobility ball in London. The same happens in Moscow now each year as well.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    ...And in New York.

    Replies: @Alexander Mercouris

  • @Alexander Mercouris
    @Scowspi

    Dear Scowpsi,

    The legal position is that in Austria use of the "von" was formally abolished in 1919. Thus since Webern was Austrian after 1919 he became legally "Anton Webern" not "Anton von Webern". It was not formally abolished in Germany but as I can vouch for myself it is nowadays very rarely used even by members of the aristocracy.

    "Von" as Moscow Exile says is not a Russian title and Russia anyway has not had titles since 1917 though as AP correctly says it was used by some Baltic German nobles and some German noble families that had settled in Russia to serve the Tsar. Eggert's only reason for using it is to show off his supposed aristocratic ancestry. Doubtless he has some sort of family claim to it. I find his use of it bizarre coming as it does from a self proclaimed moderniser and besotted admirer of the US which of course has no titles. However it is entirely in keeping with Eggert's ridiculous snobbishness and pomposity for which he is rightly mocked and for which Anatoly expertly takes him apart in his two articles.

    Replies: @Leos Tomicek, @Moscow Exile, @Moscow Exile

    From US constitution:

    Article I, Section 9, Clause 8:

    No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.

    As far as I am aware, there is no similar article in the present Russian constitution. Needless to say, the Russian nobility and its titles were abolished totally and finally in 1917 – in Russia.

    This site may prove to be of interest to some:

    http://www.almanachdegotha.org/id222.html

    • Replies: @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    There is an organization of Russian nobility in Russia; my mother-in-law was invited by them to join and become "ennobled."

  • @Alexander Mercouris
    @Scowspi

    Dear Scowpsi,

    The legal position is that in Austria use of the "von" was formally abolished in 1919. Thus since Webern was Austrian after 1919 he became legally "Anton Webern" not "Anton von Webern". It was not formally abolished in Germany but as I can vouch for myself it is nowadays very rarely used even by members of the aristocracy.

    "Von" as Moscow Exile says is not a Russian title and Russia anyway has not had titles since 1917 though as AP correctly says it was used by some Baltic German nobles and some German noble families that had settled in Russia to serve the Tsar. Eggert's only reason for using it is to show off his supposed aristocratic ancestry. Doubtless he has some sort of family claim to it. I find his use of it bizarre coming as it does from a self proclaimed moderniser and besotted admirer of the US which of course has no titles. However it is entirely in keeping with Eggert's ridiculous snobbishness and pomposity for which he is rightly mocked and for which Anatoly expertly takes him apart in his two articles.

    Replies: @Leos Tomicek, @Moscow Exile, @Moscow Exile

    The only “von” in Russian history that immediately sprang to my mind when reading about von Eggert was von Bennigsen, a Hannoverian general in the service of the tsar who saw action at Friedland, Borodino, Leipzig etc. during the Napoleonic Wars. But after his retirement he went back to Germany: he never became a subject of the tsar. And there was his contemporary, General Barclay de Tolly, who was a subject of the tsar born in Russia and who, despite his aristocratic French “de”, was of Scottish descent, a member of the Barclay clan.

    There was no marker term for nobility in Russian: you could be a prince or a count or a baron, but there was nothing like the “de” or “von” as there is/was in France and Germany and no great multiple barrelled names of royal “houses” as there were in Germany and still are in the UK, such as the mouthful possessed by the British head of state’s husband, namely Prince Philip, who was born in Corfu as Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark (hence the term “Phil the Greek” used in the UK) but is of the Danish/German royal house of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg. His in-laws are of
    Saxe-Coburg und Gotha, but they changed their house title to Windsor during WWI.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    I have come across western Ukrainian and Polish nobles who used "de" although this is rare.

    Replies: @Leos Tomicek

  • @Leos Tomicek
    @AP

    Why don't you google it? Do you know Russian, there should be a lot of information out there for people who do. ;-)

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @Leos Tomicek

    Dear Leos,
    I have searched everywhere in Yandex and other Russian search engines for “фон Эггерт”: nothing, apart from references to the pompous twat who is under discussion here. And even if von Eggert were a descendent of some German aristocratic line, he is a Russian citizen and Russia is a republic. I should imagine that there are plenty of descendants of Russian author Count Tolstoy around: I don’t think any of them calls himself “Count Tolstoy”.

    Bear mind, if “von Eggert” is a poseur, then in his line of business that would be nothing new. English journalist, political pamphleteer, government agent and novelist Daniel Defoe was just plain old Mr. Foe before he decided to add on to his surname the French aristocratic “de”‘, thus: de Foe, which typesetters soon adjusted to “Defoe”.

    There is another “von” active in Russian journalism, namely Nikolaus von Twickel of the Moscow Times, but he’s the real deal: he was born in Munich and comes from a German aristocratic line. Nevertheless, Germany is a republic, so why the “von”? Perhaps he dreams of a rebirth of the Reich or, at the very least, the Kingdom of Bavaria; in my opinion, the vast majority of Germans don’t.

    Yours sincerely,

    Moscow Exile

    Earl of Northumbria

  • @Alexander Mercouris
    @Moscow Exile

    Dear Moscow Exile,

    Peter has said that he is the grandson of the famous actor Konstantin Eggert. You can see Eggert the grandfather in the Soviet silent film Aelita Queen of Mars where he plays the role of the Ruler of Mars.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @Jennifer Hor

    Eggart the Soviet actor has no “von” before his surname: Eggert the journalist does. If Eggert the journalist is Eggert the actor’s grandson, that means that the “von” in his name is a load of BS.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Moscow Exile

    ...Or, the actor did not use "von" during Soviet times as it denotes nobility and/or links to Germany (I know nothng abut Eggert's family background; was he Baltic German?)

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  • @Craig James Willy
    By the way, are there any good voices condemning these tools in Russian?

    Replies: @Moscow Exile

    Craig James Willy asks: “By the way, are there any good voices condemning these tools in Russian?”

    See: http://rublogers.ru/2011/12/16/ee-velichestva-fon-eggert.html

    As regards Eggert’s origins, I’ve searched high and low on the net for info concerning this matter: nothing. His biography only starts with the fact that he attended Moscow school № 20.

    Is he really a “von”? I should imagine that most Russians would consider any fellow countryman that sports the German aristocratic “von” before his family name to be an insufferable prick.

    The conceit of the man is clearly of oustanding proportions.

    One small point: the pompous prick probably doesn’t realize it, or would not even dream of admitting it even if he were to do so, that his English at times would merit a little attention, e.g. “Perhaps after your present us with your ten interviews with politicians, and even ‘revolutionaries’ that RT promise, you will finally understand what is journalism” and “everyone has already began to forget about you”.

    Viele Grüsse aus Moskau!

    Von Moskauer Exil

    • Replies: @Alexander Mercouris
    @Moscow Exile

    Dear Moscow Exile,

    Peter has said that he is the grandson of the famous actor Konstantin Eggert. You can see Eggert the grandfather in the Soviet silent film Aelita Queen of Mars where he plays the role of the Ruler of Mars.

    Replies: @Moscow Exile, @Jennifer Hor

    , @геннадий гум
    @Moscow Exile

    One may find it helpful on the subject of K.von Eggert-101 the screenshot published by well "sourced and connected" Russian blogger "politrash" http://politrash-ru.livejournal.com/66831.html