1. It’s Hu Xijin, ex editor in chief from a Chinese nespaper, posted on his twitter that China’s People’s Liberation Army should shot down American army airplane carrying Pelosi into Taiwan, which is regarded as invasion as US recognise Taiwan as part of China.

Twitter then locked his twitter account and he was forced to delete his twitter in order to unlock it.

2. If China’s Prime Minister is flying in Hawaii in Chinese army airplane to visit Hawaii independent movement activists, sell billions of chinese fight jets and missiles to support their indenpent movement and pledge to defend them if US dares to intervene, do you think it is legitimate for US army to denounce China and vow to intervene?

Don’t forget CIA has been providing financial and military training to Dalai Lama and his followers to start uprising against CPC, to destablise China via gurrilla wars along China-India borders from later 1950s till 70s when US decided to make alliance with China against USSR, and to provide media propaganda/coverage from wall to wall to brainwash its people and to discredit PRC/CPC .

CIA helped and coodinated Dalai Lama’s escape to India in 1959, paid Dalai Lama 180,000 USD per year, gave (now is done through NED) 2-3 million USD to so-called Tibetan exile government annually.

There are tons of video and documents about CIA’r role in abetting the Tibetan separatists.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU9FKVd-rv0

Korea war started on June 25th June, US entered the war on June 27th and bombed Northeast (Manchuria) on 27th and 29th, August. MacArthur wanted to invade China, even thinking to nuke China to submission. This is one of the main reason he was later fired. This is why China took part in Korean War becasue of its own national sovereignty under attacks from US and its allies.

Mao had expressed his desire to work US but was turned down due to US’s allegic reaction to commies. The Western did what they could to put embargos and sanctions against China, just like what they did to Iraq, Iran and North Korea.

US did not even recognise PRC offically until 1979!

Few Westerners know the evil and shameful role their governments played in trying to kill off PRC.

The key persons responsible for the designing and building of Beijing’s Forbidden City were Cai Xin (蔡信) , Lu Xiang (陆祥), Kuai Xiang (蒯祥).

The long reply of 193 is for @Linh Dinh

Yet a man with supposed great knowledge and wolrd view such as @Linh Dinh glorifies and attributes the victories to the unique Vienamese sheer determination without any acknowledgement of many contributions from the ethnic Chinese and the military, finanacial and food aids China provided to Vietnam’s wars against France and US.

Btw, @ Linh Dinh, let’s get some of the facts straight: 1). The design of Beijing’s Fobidden City was a copy of the Nanjing Forbidden City (Ming Palace).

2)Key persons who were on historical records in supervising, designing, organiseing, coordinateing and building of Beijing’s Forbidden City were the followings:

– Chen Gui (泰宁侯陈珪，Marquis of Taining): Chief-in-charge from 1406 -1419 (till his death).

– Cai Xin (蔡信) : chief planner and designer, drew the blueprint of Forbidden City.

– Lu Xiang (陆祥): in charge of designing, calculating and implmenting the stone works

– Yang Qing (杨青) : responsible for mananging and carrying out the brick mason.

– Kuai Xiang (蒯祥): designed and participated the building of Beijing Forbidden City in later stage, Tiananmen (天安门) and Ming Emperor Tombs (十三陵,裕陵). At Palace Mueseum, there is a painting about inpection of the Fobidden City with Kuai Xiang in it (in red robe): http://img1.gtimg.com/cul/pics/hv1/61/35/2082/135391036.jpg.

The Kuai family and their fellowmen were from Xiangshan (香山) nearby Nanjing. The famous Xiangshan Group (香山帮) is wellknown for its architecture skills and stlyes, today there are still archteture/building firms from this area put “Xiangshan” as prefix before their firm’s names to show their pedigree.

– Wang Shun (王顺) and Hu Liang (胡良)：Master of painting, brushing and drawing on ceilings and columns.

– Others with names left on historical records: Jin Heng (金珩): master carpenter, Chen Guo (陈果), etc.

Yongle Emperor Zhu Di took Nanjing, ascended to the throne through ursurping and killed many who wouldn’t regard him as the legitimate ruler, Fang Xiaoru was one of the loyalists to the former emperor. He was killed when he refused to write the formal issue/announcement for Zhu Di’s ascending to the throne, not so dramtised as the way you put it.

From 1406, many craftmen from Nanjing and the South went to Beijing to prepare and build the new Forbidden City. 1420 it was complete. Then some of the front part was rebuilt due to fire and was rebuilt/repaired partially duing the next few hundreds of year under both Ming and Qing Emperors.

Ruan An (Nguyen An, 阮安) worked with Kuai Xiang (蒯祥) in rebuilding the front three Palace Halls which had been burnt. He was surely not one of the key original architects of Beijing’s Forbidden City as you and your compatriots claimed, but he was definitely the key player in building/re-fortifying gate towers and the moat around Beijing.

If you are really intested in Chinese antique artifacts, I’d suggest you take a look of this documentary which shows some of the most exquisite and beautiful collections (range from 7800/9000 to 2000 years old) in Chinese mueseums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=378&v=Oeb_4VgCBFo.

There are 696,344 pieces of stolen’ art treasures in Taipei.

There are 1,862, 690 pieces of art collections at Palace Museum in Beijing, of which 1,683,336 pieces are first class collections. The curator says that the problem he has now is lack of enough place to exhibit all of them. The Palace Museum is trying to move out all adminstration out of the Palace so as to get some extra space.

Apart Palace Museum, there are at least dozens of museums in China with world class collections, such as:

–Shaanxi History Museum (one of my favorite museums).

–Hubei Musuem (more than 2000 year old music instrument, which can still be used to play music).

–Sichuan Jinsha Site Museum ( Golden Sun Bird – 3000 year old).

– Henan Museum : Human Head Pottery Jar – 6000 year old, Jiahu Bone Flute made from the bone of crane, ca 7,800-9,000 old)

Those talk that many art and antique treasures would have been destroyed in ‘Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution’ is exaggeration, IMHO. It is an useful excuse for Westen and Taipei musuems e.g.Brtish Museum & Co to justify their stealing and pilferage of the treasures from China.

Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution was not about destroying Chinese culture heritage but about the corrupted and entitled officals.

Mao stepped down as President of PRC at second National People’s Congress in spring of 1959, since he had already been President for terms starting from 1949. Therefore Liu Shaoqi was elected as President in 1959.

In March 1953, Stalin died with no heir. Khrushchev finally took the power after a bloody struggle.This prompted Mao to propose in the second half of 1953 to divide the power structure of the government into two levels in order to groom the suitable successor to avoid what happened in Soviet:

-Level 1 leaders, i.e. Liu Shaoqi and Deng Xiaopin responsible for daily business.

-Level 2 leaders for advisor roles. Mao concentrated more on philosophy/ideology and military because he was worried KMT would try to wage a war and India was very agressive along the borders. From April 1959, Mao, Zhu De, Dong Biwu, etc. retired formally to level 2.

When talking about GLF and its consequence, people seldom mention the roles Liu Shaoqi and Deng Xiaoping played, who were actually running the daily management of economy in 1958. Neither Liu nor Deng has working expierence with grain production in the countryside. So they took the exaggerated/falsified havest figures from the local officials as truth and foolishly encouraged them to continue.

For exmple, Liu Shaoqi started his first “Communist Expriemental Commune” in Xu Shui County, Hebei Provincce, from which came the first exaggeration of havest figures, e.g. a cabbage weighted 250 kilo, wheat 6000 kilo/mu. (1 mu=0.067 hectare), etc.

Li Shaoqi encouraged the peasants to speed up to upgrade from collective co-ops to communes, to run public canteens, to set up local steel furnaces.

Li Jinquan, Governor of Sichuan Province and Deng’s inner circle loyalist, boasted the rice havest in Chengdu suburb was 1200 kilo/mu, in fact 400 kilo/mu maximum. The actual output of rice in 1959 in Sichuan was 15.82 million tons，but Li exaggerated the figure to 35 million tons, 49% of which then should go to the central government. When he couldn’t fulfill his quota, he used all sorts of cruel methods to extort/expropriate the rice from the peasants and local cadres. That’s why Sichuan was one of the worst hit areas duing GLF.

People from Sichuan hated his guts, they beat him almost to death during Culture Revolution because of his cruelness. However, after Deng became the top boss again, Li got promotion.

Here is link of photo of Deng standing on the grain stacks of an exaggerated havest field 08.10.1958: http://www.djzhj.com/Item/31873.aspx. You can use google to translate the whole letter that Mao wrote to some officials, in which he expressed his doubts about the exaggerated harvest figures all around China.

Mao wrote: “Last year the havest per mu was 300 jin, it would be very good to increase it by 100 or 200 jin. To say it to 800 or 1000 or even more is simply exaggeration. What’s point (by exaggeration)?”

TT,

Please allow me to take the liberty to give you some tips on how to decipher Western MSM news/reports:

– If most of the Western MSM heaps all sorts of praises on a leader of a US-unfriendly (perceived or real) foreign country, you can be sure that this leader fits the US ideology and strategic agenda, i.e. his/her policy will be very benenfitial to US establishment.

Example: Mikhail Gorbachev, Boris Yeltsin (US’ useful fool)

– If most of the Western MSM comes out with a sh!t-storm and smearing campaign against a leader of a US-unfriendly (perceived or real) foreign country, you can be sure that this leader probably puts his/her country’s interest more in the heart of his/her policy ahead of the interests of US establishment.

Example: Putin, Xi

So we’d see MSM & US government were all supporting Saddam when he went to war against Iran, the most hated enemy of US establishment; then CNN & Co turned 180 degree to condemn him as the butcher of Baghdad when Bush family started to invad Iraq.

Both Xi and Bascher Assad at the begining of their term were regarded as “reformer” who’d bring hope and changes to their respective country by US State Department & MSM, and now they both are dictator/authoritarian in the eyes of MSM & USG.

So all the praise you quoted from Western MSM about Zhu should be analysed and understood in this manner, if you ever want to get some true information from MSM. This is my personal reading experience of Westen media.

Now back to Zhu Rongji. No doubt he very compete and one of the few top world leaders who really has a grasp of Western economic theoreishe. He is also extreme smart and knows when and how to put on some public stunt to polish his image. Still remeber his famous saying “prepare me 100 coffins.”

Yet both his left and right men Zhu Xiaohua, Vice Governor of People’s Bank of China (China’s Central Bank) and Chairman of Board Directors of China Everbright Group (one of the biggest financial groups in China), and Wang Xuebing, CEO of Bank of China, were sent to jail for corruption and neglecting of duty, which had caused billions of loss to the state-owned banks.

His son, Zhu Yunlai who used to work at Credit Swiss First Boston as analyst went to work and became CEO of China International Capital Corporation Limited (CICC), the first joint venture investment bank in China. CICC monoplised basically all big SOE companies’ IPO in US and HK stock markets in cooperate with JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs & Co. It is rumoured that his salary was as high as one billion RMB.

His sister is now Vice President of Bank of China Holding HK.

Zhu was typical mandarin/bureaucrat: competent, impatient and lack of empathy. That’s why he had no qualm to force tens of millions of workers out of job overnight without any social net in place, selling their factories dirty cheap and destroying their lives. You have to know for those workers that the factories were not merely their working place but also their whole world: kindgarden service, schools, health service, etc.

What I wrote in my previous post @201 is not some “unjust comment” but FACTS basing on the personal experience from friends and relatives who have been through the ordeal, about which no MSM (Western and Chinese alike) would want to do deep reports because that would taint the bright image of Deng’s reform and scratch the shining image of capitalism.

Btw, do you know why Zhu had to fight the most infamous corruption Yuan Hua Case？ Thanks to Deng’s white-cat-black-cat ideaology, people with connections, high ranking officials, heads of custom and police as well as army all went to make money , they effectively formed a smuggling ring in 2 to 3 year’s time with a turnover of 50 billion RMB, tax aversion of 30 billion RMB.

The rampage of corruption and hiking prices are the main reasons for students and ordinary citizens to street to protest in 1989. Deng is pragmatic but did not know how to run an economy.

Chaiman Mao once said “Satellite goes up to the sky, red flag goes down to the dirt.” That’s what I would call a man with vision and strategic thinking.

Premier Li Keqiang is a graduate of Economics from Beida (Beijing University aka China’s Harvard) , center of neoliberal. He’s a follower of American neoliberal IMHO. The neoliberal economic policy proves to be disatrous for ordinary people while beneficial to the rich-and-richer few.

His attempt to reform of finance brings quite some fluctuation into the stock resulting some huge financial scandals. I agree with you that the reation of China’s government about 2015 stockmarket meltdown was stupid/suspicious. Now CEOs and managers of some Chinese financial groups and funds are now under investigations and some top officials of the supervision board of China’s stock markets are also arrested for corruption. (One of those under investigation is the husband of Deng’s granddaughter.)

His proposal for “financial innovation” ends up with tons of online usury loans to the young people, esp students at universities. Some of the scams have real interest rates as high as 50%. There are some young students who can’t pay back the loans and can’t bear the high pressure from the loan sharks committed suicide. Big problem for social stability.

His push of PPP, euphemism for privatisation, of public services and asset-rich SOEs are not popular with average Chinese who have seen what happened in USSR and/or experienced in China under Zhu Rongji.

Zhu Rongji is a darling in Western and among China’s nouveau riche because he offered them the super chances to make huge amount of money in China and to steal the public assets to become millionaire overnight.

He sold the state-owned enterprises (SOE) at fire-fight price, which enriched the well-connected ones and opened the gate to the rampage of corruptions that spread to all levels of governments, even to the army, and still saddles the society. He ruthlessly closed hundres of thousands of SOEs no matter wheather they were in healthy economic status or not and forced tens of millions of workers out of job without social net in place. Womens out of job from the Northeast China went to become prostitutes to support their families. Some out-of-job workers’ could not afford to have meat once in a month. In some extrem cases the whole family committed suicide by jumping off the top of the building.

His policy totally destructed the industry of Northeast of China, where used to be the industry base for China, and it yet recovers. The traumatic psychological shock is still haunting the ordinary workers, their families as well the local society.

Zhu is obviously very competent but equally ruthless. Millions of workers whose lives and famlies were ruined by him will never forget nor forgive him.

Deng’s grandson, Deng Zuo Di, mentioned in the WaPo article you mentioned, was sent to work at one of the local county governments in Guang Xi between 2013-2016 in the same fashion as Xi had done with his “aprenticeship” in the destitute village and county adminstration. Obviously it is a bit too hard for the US-born & US-educated younger Deng, he quitted it and is now playing bridge in Beijing.

Even if you are born into the “red aristocratic family”, there is no gurantee that you can become the head of the country if you can’t take the bitter and bite the dirt.

Btw, John Derbyshire, do you know why Monglio got part of herself (Outer Mongolia, Inner Mongolia still remains part of China) independent? Thanks to Joseph Stalin! Outer Mongolia became the “People’s Republic of Mongolia” – the first Soviet satellite.

Have a good read “The Truth About Mongolia’s Independence 70 Years Ago”: https://thediplomat.com/2015/10/the-truth-about-mongolias-independence-70-years-ago/

The short-lived Second East Turkestan Republic was another Soviet-backed socialist people’s republic that USSR tried to carve up China

In fact, tname “East Turkestan” was created by Russian sinologist Hyacinth to replace the term “Chinese Turkestan” in 1829.[a] “East Turkestan” was used traditionally to only refer to the Tarim Basin in the south, as modern Xinjiang area with Dzungaria being excluded.

China had its own name for an overlapping area since the Han Dynasty (2BC-2AD) as Xiyu, with the parts controlled by China termed Xinjiang from the 18th century onward. The historical Uyghur name for the Tarim Basin is Altishahr, which means “six cities” in Uyghur. Starting in the 20th century, Uyghur separatists and their supporters used East Turkestan (or “Uyghurstan”) as an appellation for the whole of Xinjiang.

I thought that people writing for/reading this website should have already known what a gigantic propoganda machine the Western MSM is, but clearly when it come to China, some people like John Derbyshire gladly buy in the spoon-fed “truth” from MSM.

Juat take a look at the twitter of this Uighur student Salih Hudayar, who is in America now, in the AP article quoted by @JohnDerbyshire :https://twitter.com/Salih_Hudayar, he even denies the ETIM (East Turkistan Islamic Movement) ever existed, designated terrorist group by USG, ” no such group officially exists by that name”.

In another AP article quoted by @JohnDerbyshire in this article: “On the outskirts of Kayseri in central Anatolia, a fenced compound of five-story concrete towers represents Tumturk’s vision of Uighur freedom — and everything China is not.

Young Uighur boys take Quranic lessons that are forbidden for children in China. Girls are taught by women wearing conservative niqab face veils banned back home. Uighur, a Turkic language often written in a modified Arabic script, is taught here while Chinese schools in Xinjiang are increasingly enforcing Mandarin-only education.

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When her girl asked why they fled China to still live as second-class citizens in Turkey, she put on a brave face.

“Turkey will protect our freedom and our religion,” she said. “This life is better.” — (AP)

– Uighur boys take Quranic lessons – rember the infamous TIP(Turkistan Islamic Party) jihadist cub video?

– Girls are taught by women wearing conservative niqab face veils – niqab wearing is NEVER a tradition of Uighur women/girls. Go check it by yourself.

– Turkey will protect our freedom and our religion – Turkey protect your freedom?

Last but not least, Uighur was not obriginal folks in Xinjiang, actually they came to Xinjiang in 9th century after Uighur Khaganate collapsed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_Khaganatefrom.

Han Chinese first came to Xinjiang around 2. AD, Anxi Protectorate (640–c.790) was a protectorate established by the Tang Dynasty in 640 to control the Tarim Basin.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectorate_General_to_Pacify_the_West

Ironically, the capital of Xinjiang, Ürümqi (a Monglian name), was originally a Han and Hui (Tungan, Han Muslim) city with few Uyghur people before recent Uyghur migration to the city.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang#East_Turkestan_independence_movement

One more question to @Linh Dinh : can average Vietnamese nowdays read some Chinese characters and your history book written in Chinese? Or do you need to get high education/specific training to read all those historic records written in Chinese?

Have you noticed that those Hong Kong & Taiwan people you encountered, who liked to mock Mainland Chinese, are all people who have been subjected to Western brainwash all those years?

Some of Vietnamese greatest dynasties, such as Lý Dynasty, were created by kings who were Chinese descendents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BD_Th%C3%A1i_T%E1%BB%95. One of the greatest Vietnamese King “borrowed”/copied Chinese laws from Tang Dynasty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BD_Th%C3%A1i_T%C3%B4ng.

Chinese was lingua franco in Vietnam for quite a long time. Till 20th century, the formal writing in Vietnam was done in literary Chinese. Some of the Vietnamese kings even tried to claim that Vietnam was the righteous heir of China.

Maybe that explains partially the IQ/competitiveness of Vietnamese vs that of other your so-called brown ppl?