You are wrong. What I am describing happened Sunday at the Arc de Triomphe, on the eleventh day of the eleventh month. President and Mrs. Trump were sitting right there.

Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

Troll.

Kit - did you actually read "The Handmaid's Tale" all the way through?

Not only one, but two victim groups! How incredibly holy! What an incredible ability to substitute fiction for actual history.

At the current rate of progressive misery, I'll say that Jim Crow laws are a significant improvement. And despite the surprising lack of pro-feminist laws in the 1950s, not only did women find employment, but they had higher overall happiness and much reduced suicide rates. Amazing as it might be, perhaps treating everyone as an equivalent and soulless unit of economic output is both untrue, socially destructive, and existentially miserable? The mind wonders.

And oh, yeah, no Handmaiden's Tale. And blacks such as Booker T Washington, etc, continued to exist and contribute.

I realize none of you Hard Scientists think very much of the study of history, but if you’d crack a popular history book about, oh, the Jim Crow era, you would learn one very good example of something that gets repeated throughout history — humans treat those they perceive as inferior like shit, and will use all the power of the government to enforce that shit-state.
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The equalists treat working white class like shit. They selectively enforce anti-discrimination laws and overlook uncivilized behavior by activists because they believe they are doing god's work. During Jim Crow blacks were never prevented from forming blacks only organizations. If a private employer group of people want to use IQ tests then why make a federal case out of it? The activists don't believe in equality for a second - they believe in payback. My ancestors were Italian and Native American and Eastern European and had nothing to do with the slave trade or jim crow and I have to listen to the most disgusting rhetoric aimed at me. For things neither me nor my ancestors had anything to do with! And all because people such as yourself want to virtue signal themselves into secular heaven!

Replies: @Corvinus, @syonredux

So to summarize, it's okay to lie as long as it's for a good cause and we should all close our eyes to biological reality (assuming for the sake of argument Murray is correct) to make sure everyone feels good. Wonderful ethics you have there...

Also, any unironic suggestion that the Handmaiden's Tale could become reality anytime soon suggests a dangerous detachment from reality. Can't you at least come up with a non-trendy literary reference? Or, I'll see your Handmaiden's Tale and raise you a Harrison Bergeron.

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"If Murray is correct and people with significant sub-Saharan ancestry really do have less cognitive ability than those of European or Asian, the smarter groups will start imposing painful legal restrictions on the dumber groups."
No they won't. They'll just stop expecting those groups to perform at the same level and forcing equal outcomes. The brightest would still succeed, society would simply stop forcing artificial equal outcomes above the abilities of the mediocre and the slow.

"He’s writing the script for the reintroduction of Jim Crow laws."
No he's not. Jim Crow was used for the purpose of restricting criminal behavior. Compare and contrast Selma Alabama, or any of a hundred other cities, in 1962 and today. Your statement

"The Handmaid’s Tale,” as his views of women are, if anything, worse than his views of blacks. We’re only good as breeders and floor-scrubbers and not one other thing. If you read the end of Atwood’s novel, she describes a character based on Murray as one of the architects of Gilead. "
Read the book again. The society is indistinguishable from those run by Islamic fundamentalists like ISIS and the Taliban except without the violence, but Muslims tend to be browner than Europeans, so Atwood made them Christians in a fine display of Crimestop.

You are projecting your own pathologies and misanthropy on other people.

Replies: @J.Ross, @Corvinus

It's vanishingly unlikely that Atwood knew who Murray was in 1985, when she wrote the book

>We’re only good as breeders and floor-scrubbers

Not at all. Some of you can cook too

humans treat those they perceive as inferior like shit, and will use all the power of the government to enforce that shit-state. [35 words later] For one example, the death penalty cannot be imposed on someone with an IQ below 70.

Just be glad that you do not reside in the dozens of Muslim majority nations where blacks are still held as slaves , female genital mutilation is the order of the day , homosexually is punishable by the death penalty , women's testimony is worth half a man's testimony in court , conversion from Islam to Christianity is punishable by the death penalty and atheism is punishable by the death penalty. Talk about hateful , bigoted and abusive. And they are a cishet patriarchy to boot, bacha bazzi not withstanding.

Fine, but pay for them and police them, and keep them out of sight.

That means no magic negro media bs as well, and no disparate impact lack of enforcement/lack of standards/frivolous lawsuit bs

I think there's something to be said for the claim that advantaged people will use the legal and political process to leverage their own advantage. For instance, in the Roman empire, the wealthy moneylenders, who were literally rolling in wealth, used their power in the Senate to pass draconian laws of indebtedness, including permanent enslavement, imprisonment, and death. At least one historian attributes the effect of these laws as the widely-known depopulation of vast tracts of land and the non-replacement birthrate. The depopulation, by the way, was widely recognized as a problem at the time, but they never developed any effective counter-measures.

Human biology being what it is, you can expect all means, fair and foul, to be used to benefit those who have the power to implement laws.

The existence of a problem, however, does not validate all means employed to address the problem. Before affirmative-action laws, there were quite real instances of qualified blacks being denied professional licenses, or women being denied positions for which they were individually qualified. The existence of that problem does not justify affirmative action, which is a by-the-numbers requirement for proportionality, qualified or not.

The framers of the Constitution attempted to address the problem by having two legislative houses: one through popular election, and one appointed through elites. It didn't remove inequities by any means, but it provided a powerful check on the ability of wealthy and politically-connected elites to bend the state to their interests. I think that was a far better solution than what we have now as a result of legislative and judicial tampering to solve marginal so-called problems.

Again, the key is not when the plays were produced on stage, but when they were written. And no one, certainly not you, can say when the plays were written. Mainstream scholars have disagreed with each other for two centuries arguing over the dating of the plays. All anyone can say for sure is that they were written during the latter part of the 16th century and the very early 17th century.

The shipwreck description in "The Tempest" is too vague to be certain that it refers to an event after Vere was dead. The 1609/10 dating of an actual event was picked by 20th century Stratfordians in a (lame) attempt to disprove the Oxfordians. The Oxfordian case is so strong the Stratfordians had to resort to the weakest arguments, including the cliché "snobbery".

Whatever.

We do agree that the author of the Canon was a genius, and high school kids do appreciate him.

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Well the median IQ in West Virginia is 98 or 99, so income is not a reliable indicator of intelligence, and 18-year old Essex blonde Lauren Marbe, who has an IQ of 163, has a taxi cab driver as a father. And remember that a 160 IQ Nobel Prize in physics winner has a 50 percent chance of producing a 100 IQ kid, so encouraging high IQ whites to have more children may also have a large margin of error. But then the problem with IQ is that it does not measure EQ, common sense, or craftiness, which are more important than IQ in daily life.

Replies: @Hail, @Kit, @Spoons, @Hippopotamusdrome, @Romanian

Does anybody really believe that people who refuse to say the word deportation will deport anybody? That is the choice - Do you vote for the guy who says he will or vote for the guy who you know won't?

FWIW, what is high art?

Negative 5 for combining bad logic with hysteria. BTW who do plan to vote for? (watch, I will get no reply)

Admit it, you have never read anything by Sailer before.

"Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve."

In point of fact, that's most decidedly NOT part of the "definition" of socio-political conservatism, you jackass. Perhaps your professors led you to believe that, but someone who's ostensibly an adult, should have the ability to discern the difference between being informed, and being indoctrinated.

Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people?
 

I don't think you are familiar with the conservatives on this site. Also no one here obsesses about how rough non-whites supposedly have it.

"Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve."

If your definition of conservative is one who thinks that poor people get what they deserve your opinions aren't worth a smile pile of fresh dog excrement.

Replies: @AndrewR

pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.

You can't be serious.
The "safety net" for today's lower income folks and "poor" (not the same thing) is somehow LESS than what was available to previous generations?

Have you considered the fact that almost all of that rise occurred among lower class white people? Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve. If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

In order to see things like this, you have to be open to the idea that the system is rigged against anyone, of whatever skin color, who isn’t a billionaire. Quit obsessing about how unfair it is to notice that people with darker skin than you have it rough and pay attention to how much we have eroded the safety net for everyone.
 

Conservatives, among whom you number yourself, by definition think that poor people get what they deserve.
 

If these people had wanted to live longer, they would have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.
 

The economy hasn't been great for people at the lower end of the economic scale - globalization and the import of lots of immigrant labor has meant that wages (adjusted for inflation) haven't risen for decades now. But your money goes a lot further if you aren't snorting it up your nose, wouldn't you say? You're more likely to hold down a job if you don't drink a six-pack before breakfast, no?

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