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    The conservative French-Jewish pundit Éric Zemmour may well become France’s next president. The centerpiece of his campaign is opposition to the Great Replacement. The latter means the ongoing trend of substitution of the indigenous populations of France and Europe by non-European immigrants, in particular by Africans and Muslims. In his most recent book, Zemmour writes...
  • @frankie p
    Mr. Durocher,

    A serious question: what is the position of the canceled French nationalists on Zemmour? What is the official position of Equality and Reconciliation? Has Soral written much on Zemmour? What is his viewpoint? Has Ryssen spoken out about him? What about Dieudonne?

    Thanks to any French speakers who may have information on this.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Soral and Dieudonné are hostile. Others – Jean-Yves Le Gallou, Renaud Camus, indeed several RN cadres defecting to Zemmour – are favorable.

    Dieudonné’s position seems motivated by Zemmour’s opposition to Islam. He asks: if Islam is incompatible with France and the Republic, what about Judaism? He has a point. Many of the attacks on Zemmour by Dieudonné’s supporters are frankly unworthy – I think of the preface to Dieudonné’s book against Zemmour, which was just vulgar ad hominem.

    Soral and Zemmour had some discrete dialogue in previous years. Now Soral seems to be on the warpath against Zemmour, making again some very unworthy and irrelevant personal claims, that I won’t even dignify by repeating.

    Soral’s political claim is that the System/Zionists are making Zemmour rise in order to foster gentile-Muslim conflict and break France through civil war. This doesn’t strike me as credible. The System has different factions within it and does not wholly control political and narrative developments. In this sense, Zemmour’s situation strikes me as analogous to Trump’s in 2016.

    • Thanks: frankie p
    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
    @Guillaume Durocher

    “ In this sense, Zemmour’s situation strikes me as analogous to Trump’s in 2016.”

    In the end, Zemmour will hardly fare better than Trump. All politicians are just the puppets of the PTB. Dieudonne and Soral are two of my most admired Frenchmen; their scepticism with respect to Zemmour could very well be motivated by the persecution that they both suffered at the hands of CRIF. Napoleon gathered the Sanhedrin to resolve the Jewish question in France and failed. I doubt that Zemmour’s Jewishness will be much of an asset at this impossible endeavour. Like everywhere in the West under Zionist domination, there will be two standards for freedom of speech: one for the Jews who can express anything they want and another for the goys, be they Soral, Dieudonne, E. Michael Jones , Michael Hoffman, Guillaume Durocher or any other commoner, who all have to apply self censorship or face the consequences.

    , @A123
    @Guillaume Durocher


    Soral and Dieudonné are hostile. Others – Jean-Yves Le Gallou, Renaud Camus, indeed several RN cadres defecting to Zemmour – are favorable.
     
    The FN ➔ RN rebranding has not served the party well. Becoming softer gained no friends in the hostile media conglomerates and opened political space for a less squishy candidate. (1)

    Three months before France's presidential vote, Jerome Riviere made a blunt calculation: Marine Le Pen, long the leader of the traditional far-right, had lost her anti-establishment edge and veered too close to the mainstream to win the election.

    He defected and rallied behind the campaign of Eric Zemmour, the writer-turned-presidential challenger whose nationalist agenda echoes the one-time aspiration of former U.S. President Donald Trump to "Make America Great Again". Riviere, who was Le Pen's top lawmaker in the European Parliament before he jumped ship earlier this month, said Le Pen had become too soft on immigration and compromised the party's tough eurosceptic stance with her tack towards the mainstream.

    "Eric Zemmour says things as they are. It's black or white, he doesn't use shades of grey to describe reality," Riviere, now vice president of Zemmour's Reconquete (Reconquest) party, told Reuters. His defection illustrates how Le Pen's strategy to make her party more acceptable to traditional centre-right voters is alienating core supporters and has left her out-flanked further to the right by Zemmour's burst into the political arena.

    Meanwhile, conservative candidate Valerie Pecresse's own talk on immigration, identity and security has toughened at a time political discourse in France drifts to the right. The result is that Le Pen, 53, is being squeezed from both sides. Le Pen, Zemmour and Pecresse are all vying to win a second round runoff spot in April's elections, with President Emmanuel Macron currently leading opinion polls and expected to take the other runoff place.
     
    Zemmour's breakthrough is rather surprising. One helpful factor. He cannot targeted by the usual media cheap shots. No one would believe accusations of White Nationalism or Neo-Nazi group membership.

    The real questions are:
    --A-- Can the Populists - Le Pen, Zemmour and Pecresse - remain civil with each other?
    --B-- Will their backers set aside differences and unify for the run off?

    Le Pen's biggest problem is B. After her failed courtship with the French Left, how can any return to formerly held positions be seen as sincere? Trust, once lost, cannot readily be regained. One has to believe that many voters will stay home rather than risk being betrayed by Le Pen.

    The real hope seems to be Zemmour or Pecresse obtaining the Populist run off slot. They would be able to attract voters and work with RN legislators. Either would be better than Macron.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/politics/1899734-a-defection-reveals-le-pens-achilles-heel-she-looks-too-mainstream
  • The Québécois are a unique people, for the most part descending from a relatively small founder-population hailing from various parts of France, creating a besieged nation of 8 million French-speakers surviving for centuries in an Anglophone sea. I recently learned of a new menace to Québécois survival: the French. Indeed, the Québécois nationalist Alexandre Cormier-Denis...
  • @Stebbing Heuer
    Fascinating article. Thank you.

    Not having had much exposure to contemporary French thought, I'm enjoying the articles that you and Laurent Gúyenot are writing for us.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Thank you sir!

  • In previous articles, we have seen how French pollster Jérôme Fourquet in his The French Archipelago has statistically documented the rise of social liberalism, the growing presence and character of Muslims, and the general decline of shared identity in France. Another crucial phenomenon is what Fourquet calls “the cultural, geographical, and ideological secession of the...
  • @Morton's toes
    1. when I worked for a multi-national corp we had expats of every nationality. Virtually no French. The only one I can recall was from Alsace. So absolutely no Parisians. A Dutch co-worker had a sister who was married to a Parisian and he explained to me "they have the best country and he [his brother-in-law] knows it."

    2. is there a French equivalent to Spiegel International? I would read a Le Monde English edition if they would publish it. Or maybe they started one since the last time I searched.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Can’t think of anything like Spiegel English, but there is:

    More left-wing/high-brow: Le Monde diplomatique in English: https://mondediplo.com/

    The Local France: https://www.thelocal.fr/

    • Thanks: Badger Down
  • Culture wars seem to be everywhere across the West these days. American politics has notoriously been plagued for decades by divisive conflicts over guns, abortion, and gay marriage (now replaced by the exotic trans phenomenon). Europe is also no stranger to such conflicts, whether within or between countries, though in the postwar era these appeared...
  • @Laurent Guyénot
    A beautiful article. It addresses the crucial question, and puts words on it that I had not thought of : biopolitics, archeofuturists... I can’t agree more with this analysis :

    Conservative culture wars are essentially defensive in nature …and tend to lose in the end.
    In any event, there is no point being backward-looking and nostalgic. This is the path of sterility.
     
    This is why I have insisted, and will continue to insist, no matter how much insults it attracts, that betting on a return to good old Christianity is equivalent to parading with a banner marked « loser ». Yet, as I have argued here: https://www.unz.com/article/blood-and-soul/, I think Darwinism is a hopeless substitute. Darwinism is dead. Darwinism is a thing of the past. Darwinism is a conservative, fossilized pseudo-science. How could Darwinism, which is based on the denial of soul, infuse new soul to our peoples? Darwinism is death. I am not claiming to know what should be the philosophy of a powerful archeofuturist movement, but I know that Darwinism is not it.
    I see this article as opening the debate nicely. Let’s keep the debate open, and not be stupidly conservative, but revolutionaries.

    Replies: @Schuetze, @Jack McArthur, @Laurent Guyénot, @Anonymous, @Guillaume Durocher

    Thank you for your comment Laurent. I would argue Darwinism is not conservative but descriptive, scientific, with insights that are fertile and forward-looking. It is not however in itself a politics, let alone a spirituality, which might animate a human civilization. It must evidently be allied with something more spiritual but I am not sure what that might be.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Darwinism is a speculative theory how species might have evolved from one another, backed by no evidence whatsoever (as Darwin acknowledged), and disproved by modern genetics (as Darwin would have acknowledged, being less dogmatic than his sectarian disciples). It is no more descriptive or scientific than lamarckism or vitalism, or any other theory based on phylogenetic classification. And, as said Stephen Jay Gould in 1980, "the synthetic theory [neo-Darwinism], ... as a general proposition, is effectively dead, despite its persistence as textbook orthodoxy.” Besides, it is largely responsible for the moral destruction of the White race. To me, your article, at least, has clarified this last point. I wish you would read and consider seriously my arguments in "Blood and Soul": https://www.unz.com/article/blood-and-soul/
    This debate over Darwinism is, I think, of utmost importance.

  • @Skeptikal
    "and of the astonishing ability of new technologies to grant us ever-greater levels of power, self-knowledge, and self-mastery. "

    the obvious crux of this whole business is: Who has the power to decide?
    Er, the power to enforce?

    there is an obvious difference between a woman decided to have an abortion---for whatever reasons---and a state or a corporation or any other entity deciding she will 0r will not have a baby.
    Mainly because so far it is the woman who bears the actual costs, in dollars and in her own body and personal fate. Which is basically the way it should be. When other powers have power over a woman's fertiilty then she is really just a baby producer, no different in essence from a farm animal that is bred to produce offspring for commercial purposes.

    (this is in fact how slave women were viewed in the American South in Virginia, which became a "breeder" state to fill the needs of plantations in the Mississippi Delta after the slave trade was abolished. Frederick Law Olmstead wrote about this in The Cotton Kingdom. Many of the "sires" were of course their owners, who thus increased their "livestock" holdings. Mixed-blood slaves were more valuable than pure black ones.)

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    The woman and, if married, the father are the first concerned. But it is obvious that society also has a stake in the child – who may be an opportunity for the society, a burden if the child is misfit, or simply represents society’s perpetuation. The ancients understood this as so much modern individualist sophistry does not.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    @Guillaume Durocher

    "The ancients" routinely killed off a lot of their girl children. The Greeks of Sparta killed the lower classes for sport. [See: Helot Revolt.)

    Replies: @Jack McArthur

  • @songbird

    America has long been big enough to sustain different television stations catering to liberal and conservative sensibilities; this media pluralism thus heightening the polarization of the population.
     
    I would say that this is only true to a limited extent.

    There may have been affiliate stations in the South that balked at showing Star Trek's interracial kiss - the market may have long been there for conservative stations - but on the production end, every major station has long had a leftist ideological tilt.

    For example, take Fox. Fox was really the first broadcast competitor to show up in the late '80s. (I am speaking of the regular channel, not news). While it may have made some jokes about feminists, it was highly subversive about the family and/or Christianity, in shows like Married with Children and The Simpsons. Later on, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly promoted a sort of semi or psuedo-populism. But I don't believe he was ever much of a true conservative.

    And the seeming ideological split of cable news is somewhat a more recent phenomenon. About 15 years ago or so, each station had a populist show in a different time slot. CNN had Lou Dobbs who railed about illegal immigration every night. MSNBC actually had Tucker Carlson, who has long questioned the education industry. PBS had The McLaughlin Group which was a roundtable discussion including lefties, but which often included Pat Buchanan.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Very interesting. What would you say makes the culture wars seemingly so much vitriolic in America than in other Western countries?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Guillaume Durocher

    I believe the main cause of the vitriol is America's advanced stage of diversity. Especially, the fact that it has more blacks.

    As I see it, white leftists are not evolved to live in a diverse environment, and their natural egalitarian impulses just make them go crazy when exposed to diversity. Skin color is something that is always on display - I don't think there was anything like it before; you can buy a man in rags new clothes, or feed a hungry man, but you cannot buy a man a new skin. (some qualification here, as it is possible or was possible before mass communications, for limited, local cultural adaptations, like in the South, if they had a long history.) Sometimes, when statues are being taking down, it almost seems like a sea of angry (leftist) white faces.

    Though, I will allow that there may be several minor effects, that make the situation worse without a color angle. (Mississippi often isn't as woke, though the situation there may be tense) :

    1.) The perception, more than the reality, that Fox News is ideologically committed to the Right on a corporate level. Or The Wall Street Journal, etc.
    2.) The fact that several power centers are located in America. Like, cultural production via Hollywood. Or the MIC, or arguably America has a larger news-media footprint.
    3.) two-party system
    4.) larger outlay in universities
    5.) a stronger Jewish influence than any other country, after Israel. And on a power level, undoubtedly greater than Israel.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    , @Morton's toes
    @Guillaume Durocher


    Very interesting. What would you say makes the culture wars seemingly so much vitriolic in America than in other Western countries?
     
    Who benefits?

    There are individuals with large resources investing in conflict.

    The BLM mucky muck just bought a 1.4 million dollar house in Topanga Canyon. The people who supplied her funds expect a return. Go back to the first liberation movements in the 1960's. You can find documents under the sponsorship of foundations like Rockefeller promoting it and they go way back before that. Progress!
    , @animalogic
    @Guillaume Durocher

    "What would you say makes the culture wars seemingly so much vitriolic in America than in other Western countries?"
    The worst Class polarisation in the 1st world, which is then, for Elite benefit, camoflauged behind various "culture war" issues.

    , @dfordoom
    @Guillaume Durocher


    What would you say makes the culture wars seemingly so much vitriolic in America than in other Western countries?
     
    Could it be the fact that American national identity was based right from the start on ideology? The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights - all profoundly ideological foundations for a national identity.

    American is very unusual in having a national identity that has no basis in ethnicity or culture or shared history or a shared religion. If you have a national identity based on ideology then every ideological battle has to be a fight to the death.

    Replies: @Based Lad

    , @dimples
    @Guillaume Durocher

    America seems to have a greater number of really extremist types than other cultures, perhaps it is the Jewish influence I don't know. Americans could be really, really good, like gods almost, but others could be really, really evil. This conclusion struck me greatly on overseas travel in the past.

    Consider as an example the Cold War and the extremist right wing anti-communist type of American. This type was extraordinary to behold and not found anywhere else on the planet.


    "Most will not like to think about biopolitics at all, but the question will inevitably be posed: who will survive and thrive?"

    It appears that those who will survive and thrive in the modern era are the globohomos.

    , @Svevlad
    @Guillaume Durocher

    There are fundamental factors:

    1. Is a proposition nation
    2. Religious ultra-diversity
    3. Puritanism-ultrasecularism schizophrenia, probably a result of 2
    4. Is a product of a culture war itself
    5. Low assimilationist pressure (this is a surprise, but the only way America avoided the current bullshit is not by having ridiculous assimilationist pressures, but having a hilariously exclusive immigration system despite the high population growth it gained from it)

    And acute/current/temporary ones:
    1. Insane polarization
    2. Global hegemon status
    3. Ludicrous influx of foreigners at a rate that can't be assimilated

    These can all be solved, but at horrific costs. The ethnic issues would require Soviet style internal passports and deportations to desolate states like Alaska, Wyoming or West Virginia and making sure every black family is so far from another they can't make meaningful contact and be forced to disappear in every possible way

    , @AndrewR
    @Guillaume Durocher

    All the "diversity." Duh. Even "white people," not counting Jews, have very diverse origins. Even the English do. Read Albion's Seed.

    But mainly it comes down to Jews and blacks. Deadly combo for any country.

    , @Mulga Mumblebrain
    @Guillaume Durocher

    It's just Divide and Rule imposed by an oligarchy with very strong class consciousness against serfs who have had their class consciousness beaten and brainwashed out of them, to the extent that they worship the parasites who exploit them mercilessly, and really imagine that they will be rich, too, one day. And as I listened to a black employee of Amazon explaining why she voted against unionisation in Alabama warehouses, it came readily to mind that centuries of slavery and oppression really leave their marks on groups and individuals in craven submissiveness.

  • The times they are a changin’. Just last week I wrote that “we are witnessing a racialization of French politics as increasingly colorful and woke youths reject the old generation’s quaint commitment to colorblind secularism as the bedrock of national identity.” The latest sign of this is provided by Audrey Pulvar, a prominent TV journalist...
  • @German_reader

    Indeed, uber-gentrified Paris is currently governed by a Socialist-Green-Communist coalition with strong Zionist
     
    Could you expand a bit on how this Zionism manifests itself?
    (a genuine question, I'm not trolling; I agree that there's a surprising amount of pro-Zionist leftism, normie right-wingers who think the left is "antisemitic" and unfairly bashing Israel suffer from a myopic perception).

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    A good question. Zionism manifests in French politics in a few major ways:
    * Influence of Jewish activist organizations (CRIF, LICRA, B’nai B’rith) before which French politicians genuflect (e.g. senior politicians’ attendance of these lobbies events is a good marker of ethnic power, ~1000 politicians will go to CRIF dinners, whereas only ~200 will go to the black lobby’s [CRAN]).
    * A general shift in French foreign policy from a pro-Arab or balanced stance to a pro-Israel one since Nicolas Sarkozy. This is also the standard position among senior left-wing politicians, despite the (substantially Muslim/colorful) base being pro-Palestinian. Witnessed in the change of position of politicians like Manuel Valls as they rose up the ladder.
    * Strong lobbying in favor of holocaustian and anti-racist censorship legislation.
    * The cordon sanitaire barring the conservatives from allying with the Front/Rassemblement National – even though the Socialists happily work with the Communists – which Jacques Chirac instituted at the specific request of the B’nai B’rith.

    So, as a general rule, Zionist lobbies in France distort French politics in the direction of pro-Israel foreign policy and anti-nationalist, multiculturalist domestic policy, backed by censorious legislation; over and above native French trends in these directions (which do exist). Jewish privilege in France, it seems to me, manifests in a less transparent and more insecure way than in the United States. American Jews have a very comfortable position in elite American “civil society”: financing of political parties, top media, Ivy Leagues, elite law firms.. In France, things seem much more dependent on these ethnic lobbies’ relationship with the ruling party. Their influence seems much more insecure.

    You can find more in my early articles for The Occidental Observer.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Thanks, that was interesting. I'm still perplexed by left-wing pro-Zionism though (which is a real phenomenon that seems to be underappreciated, since many mainstream conservatives like to go on about alleged left-wing antisemitism). I kind of get why normie "conservatives" and the like are pro-Israel, they want to seem respectable, feel a sort of vicarious nationalism towards Israel (since their own has become illegitimate) as a way of getting at Muslims etc. But Israel as an openly nationalist state should be totally anathema to the values of the modern left. Yet there still seem to be plenty of gentile left-wingers who somehow seem to frame Zionists as a persecuted minority deserving of sympathy, and ignore all the things Israel actually does with its settlements programme (one would have to be stupid at this point to still believe Israel is seriously working towards a 2-state solution...nor do the Israelis obviously have any intention of granting citizenship rights to occupied Palestinians). Paradoxically I get the impression that Israel has actually become more popular with left-wingers compared to 20 years or so ago, despite the collapse of the Israeli left and the increasing distance in time of the Holocaust. I find that difficult to understand.

    , @Iris
    @Guillaume Durocher


    In France, things seem much more dependent on these ethnic lobbies’ relationship with the ruling party. Their influence seems much more insecure.
     
    Except that the entire core of French politics is decided in the background almost exclusively by Tribal actors: Alain Minc for economics, Jacques Attali for long-term planning and prospective, and Bernard Henry Levy for military interventions.

    We, also, have had 9/11 replicas many times over, every time a politician tried to deviate from the Israeli line. The 2015 series of bloody terrorist massacres occurred after the French parliament envisaged applying a timid form of boycott on products from Israeli colonies in occupied Palestine.

    Stating that the Zionist lobby in France is somewhat less powerful than the Zionist lobby in the USA is laughable. France is no less an Israeli colony now, just for slightly different reasons .

  • A specter is haunting Europe: the specter of basic statistical literacy. As a law-abiding French citizen, I do not engage in any conspiracy theories or really any thoughts disapproved of by my democratically-elected politicians in the National Assembly and by public-spirited ethno-religious lobbying organizations like the LICRA and the CRIF. According to Wikipédia, the Great...
  • But how good are the actual policies in Denmark? How great are European and non-European immigration?

    In my evaluation the Danish state generally pursues an assimilative “Liberalism in One Country” policy.

    As part of this the government tries to break up parallel societies and manage the negative outcomes of foreign residents.

    One policy is to designate a maximum of ethnic minority pupils not only each school but also, IIRC, in each classroom.

    Another is the infamous “Ghetto law”:

    Denmark has compiled this “ghetto list” annually since 2010; the criteria are higher than average jobless and crime rates, lower than average educational attainment and, controversially, more than half of the population being first or second-generation migrants. The government essentially sees these neighbourhoods as irremediable urban disasters, and in May 2018 it proposed dealing with them by mass eviction and reconstruction. The homes of up to 11,000 social housing tenants could be on the chopping block.

    […]

    In addition, the law itself applies differently in these neighbourhoods. The first stage of the government’s so-called ghetto deal set higher penalties for crimes, and allowed for collective punishment – by eviction – of entire families if one of their members commits a criminal act.

    Other laws seem designed to force the integration in Danish society of immigrant communities. Pre-school children must spend at least 25 hours a week in state kindergartens with a maximum migrant intake of 30%, and face language tests. Otherwise their families’ benefits can be revoked.

    But the most stringent part of the plan came into force on 1 January 2020, when these areas must slash their public housing stock to no more than 40%. To achieve this within 10 years, entire blocks will be emptied and converted into private and co-operative housing, from which people on low incomes will be barred. In some cities (though not Copenhagen) the blocks will simply be demolished.

    Current tenants will be offered alternative accommodation, but no control over its location, quality or cost. Those who refuse can now simply be evicted. Adding insult to injury, the eviction and renovation plans will be paid for from proceeds from a fund paid into by public housing tenants themselves.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/how-denmarks-ghetto-list-is-ripping-apart-migrant-communities

    Recently there is increased funding for apartments and social workers for victims of “negative social control”, meaning Muslim honour culture, a measure having been pushed for by the Leftist parties.

    https://www.bt.dk/politik/fire-exit-boliger-oprettes-i-ny-aftale-mod-social-kontrol

    A prohibition on niqab and burka and other face coverings in public, introduced in 2018.

    https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/nu-er-det-vedtaget-fremover-udloeser-det-en-boede-baere-burka-og-niqab-paa-gaden

    The government has also recently voiced criticism of the social services lack of reaction to the domestic mistreatment of immigrant children including corporal punishment and forcible veiling.

    https://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/danmark/regeringen-vil-anbringe-flere-indvandrerborn

    —-

    As for Danish demographics, the state has for years divided up immigrants into Western and non-Western origin.

    A note on how the Danish government defines “Western” and “Non-Western” groups:

    Western – Anglosphere +EU and associated states like Norway, Switzerland, Andorra, etc.

    Non-Western: Ex-Yugoslavia minus Slovenia and Croatia, Russia, Ukraine, Bielorussia, rest of the world.

    Not perfect since there are some false positives and negatives but capable for working measures.

    Currently the definition of “Danish origin” is: At least one parent is born in Denmark and possesses Danish citizenship (born or acquired) as well as no dual citizenship.

    I thought that would lead to false positives where Non-Western decendants are classified as Danish but this chart seems to separate them into “Children of decendants: Danish origin” (the red part). (I remember there was some debate over how to prevent the false positives, but was not aware that it was implemented).

    I don’t think there is much in English but the statistics themselves are available here.

    https://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/emner/befolkning-og-valg/indvandrere-og-efterkommere/indvandrere-og-efterkommere

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-106/#comment-3978079

    A few months ago the government announced a further clarification on the demographic state statistics:

    Denmark currently sorts immigrants into those of ‘Western’ (EU, UK, US, Canada and Australia) and ‘Non-Western’ (everywhere else) origin in immigration and other population statistics.

    However, Immigration and Integration Minister Mattias Tesfaye has now announced the introduction of the so-called MENAPT group (Middle East, North Africa, Pakistan and Turkey), a separate category in official statistics.

    “We need more honest numbers, and I think it will benefit and qualify the integration debate if we get these figures out in the open, because fundamentally, they show that we in Denmark don’t really have problems with people from Latin America and the Far East. We have problems with people from the Middle East and North Africa,” Tesfaye said.

    […]

    In 2018, 4.6 percent of young men from MENAPT countries were convicted of committing a crime, compared with 1.8 percent from all the other 190 non-Western countries on the list combined.

    The same year, MENAPT women had a 41.9 percent employment rate while women from other non-Western, non-MENAPT countries boasted a 61.6 employment rate.

    Descendants of immigrants will now also be classified as foreign under the new statistical regime, despite being born in Denmark. Curiously, Tesfaye, who describes himself as “half Ethiopian and 100 percent Danish,” falls under this category, and insists “I think you should be proud of who you are.”

    Immigrants and their descendants account for roughly 14 percent of Denmark’s 5.8 million population, while those from the MENAPT group specifically account for 54.5 percent of the total 516,000 non-Western classification.

    “These new figures will provide a more honest political discussion about the minority of immigrants who create very great challenges for our society,” Tesfaye claims.

    […]

    Tesfaye added that the creation of new designations for immigrant groups is not a tool in and of itself, but merely a means by which politicians can make better-informed policy decisions in future.

    https://www.rt.com/news/509712-denmark-mena-immigrant-crime-statistics/

    While I would have liked the break up some of the remaining non-Western groups into more specific categories like Sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America, South Asia and the Far East, it is an overall significant improvement in its statistical utility.

    ——

    So to summarise (presumably pre-Coronavirus situation) near-contemporary Danish demographics:

    Western immigrants 5.1%

    MENAPT immigrants – 4.8%

    Remaining non-Western immigrants – 4.0%

    Ethnic Danes – 86.1%

    • Replies: @Peter Lund
    @Hyperborean

    More fine-grained stats are available:

    https://www.dst.dk/Site/Dst/Udgivelser/GetPubFile.aspx?id=29445&sid=indv2018

    Look at page 112, for example. Unfortunately, they only published "corrected" crime indexes, giving you a choice of 4 different "corrections". You can get the raw crime numbers if you go back a couple of pages but then you have to find the number of people in each immigrant group elsewhere in the document (and I didn't bother to figure out where).

    The way "descendants" and "natives" are defined does of course mean that many descendants are counted as native Danes. Some of the recent EU immigration is also Muslim immigration in disguise.

    I have no idea what the real numbers are. All I know is that the official numbers are grossly misleading. Representative extracts from the court lists used to be published on the web -- "such and such is accused of having committed crime X" -- and they were overwhelmingly full of Muslim names (+ some Turkish and non-Muslim African names). The police districts also used to publish extracts from "døgnrapporten" (a log of all the stuff that happens in the district). Again, full of Muslim names and full of descriptions of "Southern looking men who spoke Danish with an accent". Maybe that's why they stopped publishing them...

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Hyperborean

    Thank you for taking the time to provide such detailed information. As to these Danish policies and classifications, however: they will do nothing to prevent the African/Arab and Islamic takeover of Denmark and the consequent subjugation, absorption, or displacement of the Danish people.

    So long as Danes keep having children at a rate that is below replacement rate AND lower than the African, Arab, and Muslim rates, they (Danes) will become a minority — and a disrespected, persecuted, physically unsafe minority at that.

    Laughably ineffective measures like limiting the percentage of nonDanes in each school or classroom, prohibiting niqab or burka in public, and the like can and will be repealed or disregarded as the Muslims and Africans colonizing Denmark become more numerous and more aggressive.

  • The “conspiracy” seems to be believing that this process is intentionally done to dilute the power of native Europeans in their homelands. It is hard to know if this is really the case or if it is just another byproduct of Finance Capitalism and a desire for more debtors, but the end results are the same. A more realistic scenario would be that there are multiple interests, you have the Capitalists who have tunnel vision and chase after economic growth at all costs, you have native Leftists who have some weird ethno-masochist tendencies and are willing to shaft their ethnic compatriots in order to spite the Rightists, and then of course you have the various ethnic activists who really are pursuing demographic warfare, to promote their own group’s genetic interests.

    • Replies: @MarkU
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    You are right in suggesting that multiple interests are in play, things rarely happen for just the one reason.

    , @Dieter Kief
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell


    have native Leftists who have some weird ethno-masochist tendencies and are willing to shaft their ethnic compatriots in order to spite the Rightists
     
    Yes, they exist - and they come with something attached to them which is an old concept now and part of the philosophical universalism they maintain - and that is: Their traditional internationalism. Don't underestimate that. It is the precise equivalent of -- God (for those prone to linguistic jokes: They are never frustrated by the real-world outcomes of their idealism (in Marxism masked as materialism) because the most important part of it is that it is a place-holder for God in that it represents - - - - - -

    - - - - - - the unexpected, the inexplicable = transcendence & translucent dialectical transgressions of all imaginable kinds (for a shortcut here: think of PARADISE (including sexual liberation (Wilhelm Reich, Herbert Marcuse, Masters/Johnson, Lennon/Ono, Bhagwan/Osho...) and boundless pleasures an' all that)). In other words: The left's heaven is internationalism****. And this heaven should not be underestimated since whishes are - cf. Deleuze/Guattari - what (cf. Freud) drives our bodies (=our souls / deep down inside.... = us human beings).

    **** and internationalism stands in here for: It is always more pleasurable elsewhere than where we are right now (that's the deepest secret of the left's internationalism).

    , @Bill Jones
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    The replacement is a goal not a side effect of other policies.
    Native born whites witnessing the destruction of their culture and demeaning of their living standards are far more likely to be obstacles than semi-literate at best, immigrants just gifted a ten fold increase in theirs, but the whites would be much more likely to resist a totalitarian restructuring of their countries regardless of economic factors.

    , @No Expert
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    M. Durocher, these figures are frankly terrifying.


    The “conspiracy” seems to be believing that this process is intentionally done to dilute the power of native Europeans in their homelands. It is hard to know if this is really the case
     
    The root problem is liberalism, specifically second wave feminism and birth control. Without a major cultural shift promoting marriage and family formation as the preferred activity for White Europeans in their twenties this ship is not going to turn around. It could be done if the propaganda organs were to be seized.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    , @Hillaire
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Your ignorance is somewhat understandable, some fools wish to seem reasonable even when dealing with the unreasonable..

    The aim is most certainly to dilute and ultimately destroy native ethnic cohesion, how that may be attained points more to your aimless musings, all projects may I add, rolled out in sympathy in support of the larger work.

    'the abdication of the white man'

    refer to churchills jewish handler and fake aristocrat, architect of bombing terror campaigns..

    frederick lindemann, viscount cherwell

    also that 'mongrel bastard kalergi' etc etc.. all private plans by groups of men are conspiracies.

    , @Intensifier
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Basically, you are right Enoch. It is not a "plot" as such. It is a confluence of various issues many you mention and of course, another is the reality that atheist/agnostics in welfare states don't reproduce and this means the apostate European natives are withering on the vine anyway.

    , @geokat62
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell


    The “conspiracy” seems to be believing that this process is intentionally done to dilute the power of native Europeans in their homelands. It is hard to know if this is really the case...
     
    As Barbara Lerner Spectre reminded us all, there is one pivotal driver for this catastrophic phenomenon....

    Never again! means saying goodbye to blood and soil and hello to multiculti.
  • @Dieter Kief
    Danemarks President Mette frederiksen seems to oppose muslim immigration gruite strongly - from The Telegraph, 23rd of Jan. 2021 (my italics)

    "Denmark's Social Democrat prime minister has declared that she wants the country to receive "zero asylum seekers", relaunching her party's drive to be as restrictive on immigration as the populist right.

    "That is our goal," Mette Frederiksen told Denmark's parliament on Friday afternoon. "We cannot promise zero asylum seekers. But we can set up that vision."

    Just 1,547 people have applied for asylum in Denmark 2020, the lowest number since 1998, thanks in part to the Covid pandemic and in part to the country's tough immigration system.

    But, according to Ms Frederiksen, even this is too many.

    "We must make sure that not too many people come to our country, otherwise our social cohesion cannot exist. It is already under threat," she said.

    She told parliament that Denmark had in the past made too few demands on the foreigners, allowing them to live on benefits while failing to adopt Danish cultural values.

    Replies: @SS-The Independent, @Guillaume Durocher, @oliver elkington, @Peter Lund, @Dieter Kief, @Philip

    Hello Dieter, thanks for your comment. Noteworthy that this is mainstream Danish political discourse. Contrast Sweden! But how good are the actual policies in Denmark? How great are European and non-European immigration?

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Thilo Sarrazin was delighted when he read the Danish news****.
    Mette Frederiksen is the head of the Danish government and she does what she says. European immigration is a factor but can be handled appropriately, I'd think.

    Ahh - Swiss grass-root news from lefties living there: They don't attack me personally for my positions as they did before - and: They say that a consensus is building up in Switzerland, that immigration has to be regulated (=cut back) in order to keep the country on track. - Even in the left-leaning daily Tages-Anzeiger (the most read in Switzerland by a long shot) you can read, that open borders are no goal in itself - and that the discussion thereof should be de-ideologized. The union-wing of the left makes the point, that open borders bring down wages (that can't be overestimated not least because lots of union leaders and spokespersons are secondos - kids of immigrants - and have thus a strong standing in the Swiss public).



    *****
    the German Social Democrats are still trying to throw him out - but what shall they do in the Socialist International with their icon (A Social Democratic Women President!) Mette Frederiksen? - They are really stuck! I like that.

    , @Peter Lund
    @Guillaume Durocher


    Contrast Sweden! But how good are the actual policies in Denmark?
     
    They have recently improved a lot when it comes to certain kinds of crime.
    A bunch of "Swedes" (Somalis) killed a couple of other "Swedes" (Somalis) and tried to kill a third in Denmark in 2019.

    https://www.berlingske.dk/samfund/svenskere-faar-historisk-dom-for-bandedrab-i-herlev

    That ended with 20 years each for the youngest killers and life for the rest.

    The previous government (now in opposition) made a deal with the Social Democrats (Mette Frederikseen's party) and Dansk Folkeparti (one of the anti-immigration parties) in 2017 about harsher measures against gangs. We have a few homegrown gangs ("rockere"/bikers) but most of them are immigrant gangs and even the homegrown ones have immigrant members as well.

    https://www.regeringen.dk/nyheder/2017/aftale-om-bandepakke-iii/

    Note item 1: 50% longer punishments if guns or explosives are used in public as part of a crime.

    We used to have 16 years as our max time-limited punishment and then life (which usually meant a bit less than 16 years unless you killed police officers) and "forvaring på ubestemt tid" (indefinite detainment) for dangerous psychopaths who the psychiatrists claimed were mentally sane (I kid you not) and then finally "behandlingsdom" (treatment judgment) for people who are obviously crazy.

    Note that not a single party from Frederiksen's parliamentary support was in favour of that deal.

    https://www.ft.dk/samling/20161/lovforslag/l190/index.htm

    As you can see, EL, ALT, and RV voted against the law changes. EL = Enhedslisten = The Unity List (Communists), ALT = Alternativet = The Alternative (Weakly socialist party for innumerate Champagne Socialists who love the local variant of the Grauniad and other people's tax money), RV = Radikale Venstre = The Radical Left, which used to be a misleading name for that party. It is mostly a party for school teachers, people with long math-free university degrees or who are dreaming of getting such a degree, and people who have office jobs in the state.

    Those parties are the parliamentary support for Frederiksen, together with SF...
    SF = Socialistisk Folkeparti = Socialist People's Party is another semi-Communist party for innumerate school teachers who think they are well educated. It is quite weird that they actually voted in favour of that law.

    Replies: @Dieter Kief, @RadicalCenter

  • In my working life, I regularly encounter people in public affairs with a total lack of interest in history. Even officials with PhDs who swear by democracy and the rule of law, and who claim to promote them, will tell me that a man like Alexis de Tocqueville is too ancient to be of any...
  • @Marshall Lentini
    We don't need ancient historians to understand current events.

    Ancient historians themselves would not have understood all of this.

    What will you do when the Feds come at you - "console" yourself with a head full of anecdotes and parallels?

    Bookwormism is dead. It's prison planet now. Do some pushups.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    I’d say we need cultured thugs, as Jonathan Bowden said. It’s no good having brawn without brains (and vice versa).

  • @Skeptikal
    "Among European officialdom, economics and law are the surest paths to rising above the rabble of poli-sci graduates."


    Yep, and that is precisely why the EU is such a mess.

    As explained clearly by Perry Anderson in his series of articles in the London Review of Books in which he deconstructs the EU (two have appeared; the third is still TK).

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Dieter Kief

    Indeed, Perry Anderson’s knowledge of the EU and major national political cultures – British, French, Italian, German – is remarkable.

    I agree you need to speak the language of whatever nation you are studying. Jon Toland got away with not speaking German and was still interesting because he directly interviewed so many of the participants, but knowledge certainly would have helped (e.g. he had to rely on questionable English translation of the Table Talk).

  • @silviosilver
    Re Youtube history series, I have enjoyed the channels "Military History Visualized" and "TIK." The first has a heavy focus on WW2, while the second is, as far as I know, exclusively devoted to it. They both delve into finer details of battles and military affairs that more general histories necessarily leave out. Neither is really revisionist, but both (particularly TIK) present the German side objectively enough that you can listen without having to roll your eyes at all the throat clearing and denouncing more mainstream channels consider obligatory.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Thanks for the suggestions, these both look interesting!

  • @RoatanBill
    History is well aged propaganda, nothing more. History is written by the winners, because most of history revolves around conflicts.

    If you want to get a one sided view of things then study history and believe it. If you want to have an open mind, then peruse history with a skeptical eye.

    If you want to become a state propagandist, then become a history teacher. If you want to become a productive member of society, then get a STEM degree. The Humanities and Social Sciences aren't worth spit.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Sirius, @John Regan, @lloyd, @animalogic, @SeekerofthePresence, @Marshal Marlow, @Begemot, @Alden, @Dumbo, @Ugetit, @Temporary Insanity, @Anonymous, @Joe Levantine

    While I see where you are coming from, I have to strongly disagree:
    1) Typically there is considerable debate among historians. There isn’t, on most issues, just one narrative but a debate. The problem usually isn’t that you’re getting only one story, but many, and cannot come to any firm conclusion but “who knows?”
    2) I value STEM but it’s not much good if it’s narrow and ignorant of wider human issues. Many of best commentators, I find, are those that are both scientifically literate and cultured in the wider sense. In particular, the humanities and social sciences need to be informed by the latest human life sciences (evolutionary psychology, genetics). In fact, there’s often a wonderful congruence between the two: the issues explored by life scientists were already explored and compellingly expressed by Homer, Shakespeare, etc. Conversely, I know too many STEM educated ignoramuses.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    @Guillaume Durocher

    While I see where you are coming from, I have to strongly disagree:
    The Humanities and Social Sciences can't prove, via empirical evidence, the bulk of what they preach. It's all opinion based with a smattering of evidence that may or may not have been manufactured ages ago. Some professor came up with something that sounds reasonable, without verifiable evidence, and it becomes an accepted fact to be repeated endlessly to the next crop of students who suck it up as gospel.

    If Historians are still debating issues, then call me up when you arrive at a conclusion and you can prove what you say.

    Economists are outright frauds. They can't even do a decent autopsy on an economy that's tanked. Their advice is anything their client (bank, gov't, corporation, etc) wants to hear. They are the whores willing to defend any position that will pay them a stipend.

    Political Science - the name alone yells fraud as there's no science in it.

    Gender studies, sociology, psychology, etc are all opinions and those opinions are wrecking the society because the terminally stupid believe what those faux experts have to say.

    It goes beyond just the Humanities and Social Sciences. Even the STEM fields have been polluted by opinionated nonsense. Cosmology sees black holes, neutron stars, dark matter, dark energy, etc and gets to spend billions on colliders looking for unicorns. Space missions to comets have verifiable evidence that comets are blacker than coal burned rocks devoid of water and ice but the dirty snowball nonsense is still pushed on to the public.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when those opinions are published as truth to be digested by all, then that's a problem.

    History would be a wonderful thing, if it were only true.
    Leo Tolstoy

    Replies: @silviosilver, @animalogic, @Emslander, @Bert, @Anonymous, @anon

    , @TG
    @Guillaume Durocher

    I must disagree about the idea that there is considerable debate amongst historians - there is, but only in a narrow range. There is plenty of information on things that do not touch the main drivers, it gives the false impression of debate. Like when a parent tries to get their kid to go to sleep by offering the false choice: 'do you want to go to bed with the red blanket or the blue one?'

    For example: the recent Syrian civil war. The government had a policy of maximizing population growth, they criminalized the sale and possessions of contraceptive, all dissenting views were eliminated, and they got the population to quadruple from 5 million to 20 million in 36 years. But before it could octuple, the aquifers ran dry and things fell apart - and no, rainfall was consistent, there was no meteorological drought.

    So in Syria there is massive debate: was it the Russians? The Israelis? The Americans? ISIS? Or "Global Warming'? But nothing at all about the simple logical fact that with a massively growing population and trending constant rainfall, the idea of 'global warming' is a lie. So not too much information per se: a great deal of information yes but also massive blind spots, not enough of the IMPORTANT information.

    Remember, information in its purest form is just noise, like static on a radio. It is knowledge of the important factors that is key, and this is often lacking.

    Replies: @Anon53

    , @The Soft Parade
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Dear Mr. Durocher,

    To understand why you intuitively recoil at Lil' Bill's thought-disprocess, look no further than the conning tower atop the first molehill in south america flying the banner "Home of the Brave Loudmouth Who For Sake of Protection Lives Among the Peons."

    Bill 'specially loves pontificating over any story he thinks allows him to denigrate what's left of the United States--that is, when he and his hyena buddy Fred Reed aren't otherwise occupied with handing out "I Told You So" cards, or clamoring joyously over the intended wishbone of America's total destruction.

    Read here an honest rant from Bill's bleak home of like minded sycophants hindered with the same genealogical cowardice as lil' Bill, wherein he tells us what it means to have "balls"


    "I’m cautious enough to get out of the way should nukes start to fly due to the US constantly pissing off China and Russia. The US military hasn’t won a war since WW-II and even in that one, Russia did most of the fighting with the US taking the bulk of the credit. . .My calculations say I’m doing more than you are because you haven’t the balls to do what I’ve already done."
     
    , @Dieter Kief
    @Guillaume Durocher

    I'd add some sort of aesthetic competence and the insights of (social) psychology and - oh: Philosophy.
    And - to make the circle complete: Some kind of bodily - exercise.

    , @Miro23
    @Guillaume Durocher


    1) Typically there is considerable debate among historians. There isn’t, on most issues, just one narrative but a debate. The problem usually isn’t that you’re getting only one story, but many, and cannot come to any firm conclusion but “who knows?”
     
    This seems to be mostly due to the subsequent "weaponization" of history to help further political aims.

    A way to avoid the problem, is to write history using primarily contemporary sources/documentation in an open minded way. For example:

    Stanley G. Payne "The Spanish Civil War" Cambridge University Press 2012 or David Irving's "Hitler's War" Hodder& Staughton Ltd. 1977 and "Warpath" Michael Joseph Ltd. 1978

    Also everything done by Oleg Khlevniuk using Russian state archives (for example "Master of the House: Stalin and His Inner Circle" Yale University Press 2008).

    Original sources are effective because they can seriously interfere with the dominant propaganda. For example, by showing the "Holocaust" to be such a feeble travesty of history that it has to be legally elevated to religious status with questioning defined as criminal heresy ( and that's in supposedly enlightened free speech Western democracies).

    , @Anon
    @Guillaume Durocher

    It's as easy for humans to be silly, or unable to think critically, objectively, and with a wide horizon, whether their minds have a humanities or science bias.
    Surely the most common weak points of the two groups aren't exactly the same, but mostly, yes.

    It's unavoidable to run, frequently too, into comments saying only science matters, or demanding, more or less self-awarely, that humanities should be functional to technical/scientific goals.
    It's the other side of the coin where people who believe themselves thinkers, artists, open-minded, fire words against "Trumpers", "fascists", and set categories of people or specific individuals.

    Tolerant (really open-minded, that is), intellectually curious (really intellectual, that is) people will always be on short count. Especially among the socially-visible, and culturally "authoritative" ranks and files, which include the academic environment. Where power comes into play, neither real scientists, thinkers, or artists can be really at ease, it's not the place for them.

    You too have biases, "horizon limits", and the like, which, I'd guess, you aren't aware of.
    Like when you write on Christianity, and handle it as a tool in a workshop, who must help you do your job, serve the goals you like, or get out of the way (and disappear from both your workshop, and your horizon). Never does it cross your mind that it could be something else than you imagine, and that the "Christianity" you blame because you judge it not conducive to your political and social likes has nothing to do with actual Christianity, just unjustly borrowing a real faith's name.
    You should blame what some do using the name "Christianity" for those troubles (or perceived troubles), not Christ and its teaching, and who genuinely follows them.

    , @stevennonemaker88
    @Guillaume Durocher

    great comment, and great article! I appreciate how you pointed out that reading history helps us discover our place in the great tapestry that is life.

  • The European Union and China have agreed “in principle” to a deal on investment after seven long years of negotiation, pointedly ignoring the concerns of the incoming Biden administration. The economic consequences of the so-called Comprehensive Agreement on Investment (CAI) remain unclear, but the political signals are telling: the EU is following an essentially German...
  • @Showmethereal
    The writer seems to lack understanding of economic terms. Both the EU and China are larger "markets" than the US. Nominal GDP has nothing to do with it. More goods are sold in either. For instance Japan is "the largest market for importex natural gas" doesnt mean Japan uses the most energy.
    And by PPP - both the EU and China are bigger economies than the US.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    China and the EU each have more consumers than the U.S., but their purchasing power on international markets (and those of European business and governments) are inferior because nominal GDP.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Guillaume Durocher


    China and the EU each have more consumers than the U.S., but their purchasing power on international markets (and those of European business and governments) are inferior because nominal GDP.
     
    True.

    But as a layman, I have to ask:

    Is not the somewhat obvious solution to this the bypassing of the "international" (U.S. Dollar denominated) markets, in favor of accepting each others' currency, or at least doing direct goods-for-goods trade?

    Why allow the middleman his cut, using the middleman's currency, when you don't have to?

    Exhibit A: China-Russia trade.
    Exhibit B: China-Iran trade

    There are many more instances. No need to price goods (yours or his) in U.S. Dollars, especially when trading in Dollars per se, adds nothing to the transaction.
    , @showmethereal
    @Guillaume Durocher

    I respectfully disagree. US nominal GDP is very much intertwined with the financial economy and not the real economy. When it comes to selling actual goods - overall the EU and China are both bigger. Look at cars as an example. The US nominal GDP is trillions above China. Yet many millions more cars are sold in China than the US. Real tangible goods. The EU is a little different because of the different countries... But overall it holds true.
    Both the EU and China are larger trading blocks than the US as well - because they are both larger markets.

  • The year 2020 has seen signification changes and further centralization of power in the European Union. There appear to be three major causes for this: British withdrawal from the EU which occurred on February 1, 2020. The coronavirus crisis, whose lockdowns have inflicted tremendous damage on the European economy, particularly in southern Europe, annihilating in...
  • @Vaterland
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Ultimately it doesn't matter what the borders look like as long as we are dominated and colonized by the USA. When Jews in America can dictate what Europeans are allowed to say, what do borders matter to them? The German government arrests its own citizens for 'holocaust denial', the law of the victors of WW 2. Its mortal enemies dictate its history books and its mainstream culture; enslavement is the norm, true freedom an impossibility. We live in a state in which every degradation and insult against its own people is not only permitted by the state, but a sign of good conduct of its citizens. But insult a 'protected group' and you become unpersoned. And every alien, imported ideology which is full of hatred for Europe and its people becomes political mainstream. BLM being the last cultural revolution export from the Great Satan.

    Do we have a domestic cultural industry rooted in our own history and genuine European values to rival and out-compete Hollywood and Netflix? No.

    Do we have European companies which control the flow of internet information with laws that guarantee our freedom of speech? No.

    Do we have an economic enthusiasm and capabilities only somewhere near China? No.

    Common European foreign policy independent from the USA and Israel? No.

    And there is something new identitarians do not seem to understand: there are no nations anymore! There is no America. There is no unified Europe. There is no rising China (which America's real elite built up in the first place). There is no Russia. There is a global system of systems, the global capital system and its cosmopolitan elite; a global class of people. Larry Fink and Klaus Schwab are the same category. These are a people that know no homeland, let alone a fatherland. That jet today to Paris and tomorrow to New York, then to Shanghai and another day to London. Those are a people that are at home everywhere and nowhere. And the people will follow them as human resources. While a Merkel owes more allegiance to the Open Society Foundation, or only the headlines of the New York Times than to any notion of organic German history that wasn't already synthesized into absolute evil by its worst enemies. The mentor of Klaus Schwab was Henry Kissinger, that of Joschka Fischer was Madeleine Albright.

    We have a trans-Atlantic and in reality already global elite of Davos and Bilderberg; Polish, Hungarian and Russian nationalism are pure illusions. Poland and Hungary are tolerated, for now, because they are irrelevant! And very, very kosher. Even in China I cannot see a true anti-thesis and real competitor for an entirely different world order. Power games by Sheldon Adelson and Huawei, or the Trump admin and Macron not once have challenged the primary paradigms and foundational principles of this world order. Neither has Brexit. All of these governments, ultimately, are nothing but the managerial class of the real and permanent elite. There is a vision for the world... and you're not in it!

    How many divisions do the identitarians have? In which major European country is any group ready and truly capable to take on the global institutions of power and come out victories? Golden Dawn? Ricoed and jailed. Sebastian Kurz? Honored guest at AIPAC and ally to Moshe Kantor. Macron? Rothschild banker. Nordic Resistance Movement? Can't even keep their bitchute channel. The New Right, Alt-Right? It's all just podcasting and blogging by people who have no institutional power and no political influence, but get occasionally used by foreign ics, all talk and some media events. Sellner didn't gain the AfD a single %. Instead the AfD, Zionist in the first place, and by copying the US retard right, lost on all fronts. From years of Alt-Right and Identitarian activity absolutely nothing has materialized. Not one policy was changed. Not one non-European was kept out. And not one war was stopped. The culture? Hegemonic leftist-liberal globalism. Not one truly meaningful institution was established, of just the size of Fox News while our mortal enemies control all of the state media.

    I know of a time when Europe was truly sovereign and we could speak of European world politics. When there was a group ready to take on the world, if it had to be and with the army, the system and the faith to carry it. Maybe the most advanced state in the entire world with some of the best engineers and soldiers it had ever seen. 92% of Americans were against participating in WW 2. And yet the masters of media and money and of real political influence managed to get millions of Americans and its entire military machine to fight at the side of Stalin to the death and kill and kill and kill until it was done. The ruins of Berlin in 1945 do tell a story, the story of the people who are truly in power and who are in power today and have only gotten stronger.

    Again right this moment German citizens are in jail, jailed by their in name only own government, by decree of a foreign, hostile power, for nothing but speech. In the case of Horst Mahler a more severe sentence than rapists and most murderers receive. And as long as only that is the case, moving fantasy borders around, is like moving phantom divisions. The old right has mostly given up and are waiting for a collapse that never comes. Conservatives root for the king of Israel. Nazbol types foolishly root for China: ask Tibet how ethno-nationalists or "ethno-pluralists" are doing there. And the European identitarians and political New Right have no answers, no solutions, not even a real strategy! Except as a European tool to be used and discarded by Bannon, Dugin, Likud or the Kushners, I suppose. But they ended defeated, demonized and ultimately outlawed like the old post war NS which they looked down upon. Although Hans Ulrich Rudel and the DVU had achieved more than Dugin fanboy Sellner ever will. While the tower of Babel of the Bernard Baruch and Coudenhove-Kalergi EU grows and is here to stay. Unsurprisingly in growing alliance with communist China. While Bibi and Kushner create Middle Eastern facts. It is honestly shocking how utterly weak the right has become and how gullible the masses.

    All I can see is a great kabuki theater to give the plundered and disenfranchised masses the illusion of choice and participation, as they are being replaced, and that leaves room for snake oil salesmen of all flavors. Including the New Right which was in many instances a big scam by failed existences. Including people I actually had reason to have hopes in, like Frauke Petry. And who of us is even truly ready to die for something he believes in? And for what? From Otto Skorzeny to shamefully posting merchant and coomer memes, utterly terrified of being doxxed? It's pathetic!


    Hitler was defeated, but Europe lost the war.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    I sadly mostly agree with you. One nuance: globalism-egalitarianism seems to have largely become an autonomous European phenomenon. Let’s imagine the United States were to vanish tomorrow: would Europe then self-correct? Not clear at all.

  • @German_reader
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Carolingian Europe would certainly have been more viable than adding ever more members of dubious worth (imo Romania and Bulgaria with all their organized crime and corruption should never have been admitted...also too many of their gypsies have taken the chance to move to Western Europe. And if one is honest Spain, Portugal and Greece are pretty useless too). But since the EU is nowadays to be supposed to be all about spreading liberal values, not about anything actually rooted in history or culture (let alone biology), one can't of course argue for such exclusion.
    And unfortunately Carolingian Europe isn't exactly what it once was either and increasingly populated by people of non-European origin.


    Though whether it is desirable will also depend on one’s values and priorities.
     
    I'm of two minds on this. I actually think some sort of pan-European cooperation is crucially important for the survival of European nations in the world of the 21st century. Not sure though what form this should take. And I'm sceptical whether any meaningful European identity that doesn't degenerate into just liberal cosmopolitanism is possible. I always suspect that the European commitments of even groups like the identitarians with their ostentatious pro-Europeanism are only very superficial (all the more so since many of them seem to be plugged so deeply into American alt-right discourse, instead of really learning about their neighbours and forming organic connections with them). More mainstream right-wingers are of course even worse, readily resorting to old-fashioned national enmities which one can ill afford today.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Guillaume Durocher

    You are very demanding! I can only speak of the French identitarians. The Identitaires are not particularly Americanized and could teach the U.S. movement a thing or two. The people around Institut Iliade are also working in a French and European tradition.

    Inevitably, these movements are adapting to a global frame of reference. There’s no reason for French (or other) patriots to ignore successful Anglo movements or memes. And we need to be authentic: you can wear a peasant outfit or swear by cross and altar, but does this correspond to any lived reality? And we two, after all, are also writing in English.. Nationalism is also becoming globalized to some extent.

    I share your reticences on European unity. On the one hand, the EU is an often poorly-designed and soulless entity. This is naturally alienating and thus anti-EU sentiment is quite understandable and often even a healthy sign. On the other, most criticisms of the EU are not that important in the grand scheme of things (e.g. arguing over transfers that add up maybe 0.3% of GDP). The main demographic downside is shared citizenship with Gypsies.

    The sociological dynamics of our electoral regimes are such that dissident/populist parties naturally tend to a demagogic small-state civic nationalism. However, this “nationalism” is utterly sterile. Therefore, it is important that we at least intellectually make the case for a grander movement based on shared ancestry and civilization, whatever form such unity might ultimately take.

  • @German_reader
    @Catiline


    not all Italians are fascists
     
    It would be better if Italians were fascists (who actually got things done) instead of voting for retarded left-wing populists who'll just piss away money on useless nonsense, not spend it on actually useful infrastructure and the like. Spain of course is even worse with its rotten Marxist parties.
    Anyway, I have no desire to get into another shouting match with you. I don't even care that much, the whole EU project will end in disaster and mutual recriminations anyway (your habitual resort to insults is good evidence btw for what I wrote in my original comment). Durocher's pan-European dreams have no basis in reality.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Anonymous, @Catiline

    Out of curiosity, what would say if these were the borders of the European Union?

    Seems to me this would be quite viable. Though whether it is desirable will also depend on one’s values and priorities.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Carolingian Europe would certainly have been more viable than adding ever more members of dubious worth (imo Romania and Bulgaria with all their organized crime and corruption should never have been admitted...also too many of their gypsies have taken the chance to move to Western Europe. And if one is honest Spain, Portugal and Greece are pretty useless too). But since the EU is nowadays to be supposed to be all about spreading liberal values, not about anything actually rooted in history or culture (let alone biology), one can't of course argue for such exclusion.
    And unfortunately Carolingian Europe isn't exactly what it once was either and increasingly populated by people of non-European origin.


    Though whether it is desirable will also depend on one’s values and priorities.
     
    I'm of two minds on this. I actually think some sort of pan-European cooperation is crucially important for the survival of European nations in the world of the 21st century. Not sure though what form this should take. And I'm sceptical whether any meaningful European identity that doesn't degenerate into just liberal cosmopolitanism is possible. I always suspect that the European commitments of even groups like the identitarians with their ostentatious pro-Europeanism are only very superficial (all the more so since many of them seem to be plugged so deeply into American alt-right discourse, instead of really learning about their neighbours and forming organic connections with them). More mainstream right-wingers are of course even worse, readily resorting to old-fashioned national enmities which one can ill afford today.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @Guillaume Durocher

    , @Catiline
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Third rate Gobineau.

    , @Vaterland
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Ultimately it doesn't matter what the borders look like as long as we are dominated and colonized by the USA. When Jews in America can dictate what Europeans are allowed to say, what do borders matter to them? The German government arrests its own citizens for 'holocaust denial', the law of the victors of WW 2. Its mortal enemies dictate its history books and its mainstream culture; enslavement is the norm, true freedom an impossibility. We live in a state in which every degradation and insult against its own people is not only permitted by the state, but a sign of good conduct of its citizens. But insult a 'protected group' and you become unpersoned. And every alien, imported ideology which is full of hatred for Europe and its people becomes political mainstream. BLM being the last cultural revolution export from the Great Satan.

    Do we have a domestic cultural industry rooted in our own history and genuine European values to rival and out-compete Hollywood and Netflix? No.

    Do we have European companies which control the flow of internet information with laws that guarantee our freedom of speech? No.

    Do we have an economic enthusiasm and capabilities only somewhere near China? No.

    Common European foreign policy independent from the USA and Israel? No.

    And there is something new identitarians do not seem to understand: there are no nations anymore! There is no America. There is no unified Europe. There is no rising China (which America's real elite built up in the first place). There is no Russia. There is a global system of systems, the global capital system and its cosmopolitan elite; a global class of people. Larry Fink and Klaus Schwab are the same category. These are a people that know no homeland, let alone a fatherland. That jet today to Paris and tomorrow to New York, then to Shanghai and another day to London. Those are a people that are at home everywhere and nowhere. And the people will follow them as human resources. While a Merkel owes more allegiance to the Open Society Foundation, or only the headlines of the New York Times than to any notion of organic German history that wasn't already synthesized into absolute evil by its worst enemies. The mentor of Klaus Schwab was Henry Kissinger, that of Joschka Fischer was Madeleine Albright.

    We have a trans-Atlantic and in reality already global elite of Davos and Bilderberg; Polish, Hungarian and Russian nationalism are pure illusions. Poland and Hungary are tolerated, for now, because they are irrelevant! And very, very kosher. Even in China I cannot see a true anti-thesis and real competitor for an entirely different world order. Power games by Sheldon Adelson and Huawei, or the Trump admin and Macron not once have challenged the primary paradigms and foundational principles of this world order. Neither has Brexit. All of these governments, ultimately, are nothing but the managerial class of the real and permanent elite. There is a vision for the world... and you're not in it!

    How many divisions do the identitarians have? In which major European country is any group ready and truly capable to take on the global institutions of power and come out victories? Golden Dawn? Ricoed and jailed. Sebastian Kurz? Honored guest at AIPAC and ally to Moshe Kantor. Macron? Rothschild banker. Nordic Resistance Movement? Can't even keep their bitchute channel. The New Right, Alt-Right? It's all just podcasting and blogging by people who have no institutional power and no political influence, but get occasionally used by foreign ics, all talk and some media events. Sellner didn't gain the AfD a single %. Instead the AfD, Zionist in the first place, and by copying the US retard right, lost on all fronts. From years of Alt-Right and Identitarian activity absolutely nothing has materialized. Not one policy was changed. Not one non-European was kept out. And not one war was stopped. The culture? Hegemonic leftist-liberal globalism. Not one truly meaningful institution was established, of just the size of Fox News while our mortal enemies control all of the state media.

    I know of a time when Europe was truly sovereign and we could speak of European world politics. When there was a group ready to take on the world, if it had to be and with the army, the system and the faith to carry it. Maybe the most advanced state in the entire world with some of the best engineers and soldiers it had ever seen. 92% of Americans were against participating in WW 2. And yet the masters of media and money and of real political influence managed to get millions of Americans and its entire military machine to fight at the side of Stalin to the death and kill and kill and kill until it was done. The ruins of Berlin in 1945 do tell a story, the story of the people who are truly in power and who are in power today and have only gotten stronger.

    Again right this moment German citizens are in jail, jailed by their in name only own government, by decree of a foreign, hostile power, for nothing but speech. In the case of Horst Mahler a more severe sentence than rapists and most murderers receive. And as long as only that is the case, moving fantasy borders around, is like moving phantom divisions. The old right has mostly given up and are waiting for a collapse that never comes. Conservatives root for the king of Israel. Nazbol types foolishly root for China: ask Tibet how ethno-nationalists or "ethno-pluralists" are doing there. And the European identitarians and political New Right have no answers, no solutions, not even a real strategy! Except as a European tool to be used and discarded by Bannon, Dugin, Likud or the Kushners, I suppose. But they ended defeated, demonized and ultimately outlawed like the old post war NS which they looked down upon. Although Hans Ulrich Rudel and the DVU had achieved more than Dugin fanboy Sellner ever will. While the tower of Babel of the Bernard Baruch and Coudenhove-Kalergi EU grows and is here to stay. Unsurprisingly in growing alliance with communist China. While Bibi and Kushner create Middle Eastern facts. It is honestly shocking how utterly weak the right has become and how gullible the masses.

    All I can see is a great kabuki theater to give the plundered and disenfranchised masses the illusion of choice and participation, as they are being replaced, and that leaves room for snake oil salesmen of all flavors. Including the New Right which was in many instances a big scam by failed existences. Including people I actually had reason to have hopes in, like Frauke Petry. And who of us is even truly ready to die for something he believes in? And for what? From Otto Skorzeny to shamefully posting merchant and coomer memes, utterly terrified of being doxxed? It's pathetic!


    Hitler was defeated, but Europe lost the war.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

  • @Rahan
    With the UK gone, the EU lost not only a budget generator, but also a GloboHomo generator. The moment London left, EE's influence, culturally became stronger.

    If the EU, in the near future, starts taking in more former Yugoslav and Soviet republics, or even Albania, then the values balance will shift even more. If right now the EU admits for example Montenegro, Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Moldova, and the Ukraine, this will stretch the budget, but the value balance will shift quite strongly away from mandatory kid trannies.

    A near future expansion of the EU makes no sense economically, but could be a major long-term foundation for a functional United States of Europe.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Further enlargement would indeed tilt the European center-of-gravity to the cultural right, but the Union would lose yet more in cohesion and coherence. So another catch-22.

  • @HyperDupont
    In the US, the federal government has gained powers over the States well beyond the original constitutional design through vehicles which have their equivalent in the EU: (i) the commerce clause - competition law in the EU, (ii) subsidies with strings attached and compliance requirements, (iii) civil rights with an ever expanding domain: race, gender, handicap, sexual orientation... (iv) environnemental protection, and (v) the central bank. Of course, the Union would have been undone without four years of combat to prevent Southern secession. The EU doesn’t have an army and seems to hold together primarily because of inertia and the ECB.
    The public opinions of most (all?) European countries are fairly skeptical about the EU and have been so for a while. European construction was from the beginning an elite project. The problem is that European elites don’t really seem to believe in Europe that much anymore: they are globalized and Americanized.
    The US is a great power in an advanced state of institutional decay. The EU is also presenting clear signs of bureaucratic decay before having achieved any great power status.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    I find the theory and practice of U.S. federalism quite interesting. “Cooperative federalism,” “coercive federalism,” though perhaps should be called “bribed federalism,” “unfunded mandates”.. all have their analogues in European integration, though typically these are not glorified in America as the Way of the Future, but rather often alienating and inefficient bureaucratic realities.

    • Replies: @HyperDupont
    @Guillaume Durocher

    The EU pretended to be the Way of the Future in 2000 with the Lisbon agenda: « make Europe, by 2010, the most competitive and the most dynamic knowledge-based economy in the world ». This embarrassing episode for the EU has been memory-holed. I suspect the European Green Deal will last a bit longer but end the same way.

  • @Anon
    Er, we might not have left the EU had our EU net contribution been as low as €3.5bn. Try £11bn or €12bn. See the Uk Office of National Statistics on this: https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    You are correct, I used an incorrect source and have adjusted the figure to a 2018 estimate.

  • Over a century after Marx, a specter is indeed haunting Europe: the specter of nationalism. For the latest proof, we turn to Romania where a new nationalist party has burst into parliament with 9% of the vote. Romanian liberals, who very much form a minority sensibility in the country, are in shock at the nationalists’...
  • @Romanian
    @yuri

    I would say that, on the contrary, Romania is a model in the region for how few actual regional divisions there are. Sure, the narcissism of small differences still reigns and jokes about the varieties of Romanians abound, but we have never had regional or separatist parties in our entire history, not just the post-Communist one. Every Romanian party is well represented in every region, even though there are political affinities like the South and the East for the so-called socialists, the West for the so-called liberals, rural vs urban etc. UDMR is the exception but, even, there, its ties to Romanian parties are so great that, when it risked not getting 5% in the European Parliament elections, the social-democrats used their machine politics to get Romanians and Gypsies in other regions to vote for them. You say counties with a few dozen Hungarians send thousands of votes to UDMR. It is astounding how little traction autonomist and separatist discourse have achieved (I mean the Romanian one), much of it sponsored from abroad by our allies as much as our enemies (if not more). There is a visceral feeling in even the most educated Romanians against such talk and the traitor intellectuals are a small, if vocal minority. For instance, the President of the Romanian Academy is a model of benign nationalist sentiment (the Romanian version of cuckservatism).

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Is there Romanian autonomist sentiment in Transylvania? It seems this more-liberal region has more dynamic cities (Cluj, Brașov, Sibiu..). Cioran, a Transylvanian, already commented on the cultural differences between his region and the “old kingdom,” considering it “the Prussia of Romania.”

    • Replies: @Romanian
    @Guillaume Durocher

    There are some grumblings from local media figures, but I do not pay them much attention for various reasons.


    They emphasize the idea that Transylvania having more control over its affairs would be more prosperous. There is a claim of better governance there in the now, which is not sufficiently warranted to justify the hypothesis that some sort of autonomy would lead to much better outcomes as opposed to the likely costs and heartaches. In my opinion, this is another instance of the narcissism of small differences. There are just as many corruption scandals, instances of ill spent money and so on. What there is, in fact, is another degree of the West to East shift in governance quality to related to the historical Ostsiedlung, patterns of earlier urbanization, higher literacy, higher prosperity with investment in culture. The first printed Romanian texts came from Transylvania. But it is gradual, just like Western Romania seamlessly crosses over into Eastern Hungary in economic terms. Basically, it is all a function of historical distance from Germany, moderated by terrain and pre-existing infrastructure (which is why the Carpathians were a political border for so long, in many ways, including Transylvania not becoming integrated in the Ottoman Empire like South and East Romania, but also like Eastern Hungary, or not getting ripped to shreds by mongols).

    Why I think autonomist talk exists and persists, despite the inexistent traction at higher level and among the normies:
    - Firstly, a change of tactics from Hungary and its "agents" (some of whom are useful idiots) once they realized that autonomy for Szekely Land would be highly unlikely. Afterwards, there was a switch to the multicultural blend of Transylvania, a unique Transylvanian identity that earlier Hungarians local leadership sought to preserve and which Romania betrayed by allegedly not adhering to its covenant in Alba Iulia with the minorities (which Romanians insist consisted of political representation, and cultural, educational and administrative rights in their own language wherever present beyond a certain percentage, not of autonomy). That Transylvania is unique is true, but heavy magyarization policies starting in the mid 19th century (aimed at everybody, including Germans) show the lie of it. Including policies that were quickly resumed after the Diktat of Vienna, when Northern Transylvania was awarded by our ally, Nazi Germany, to our ally, Hungary.
    - So, now, Romanian think tanks and the MFA speak of attempts by Hungary to create a situation of co-sovereignty in Transylvania (or de-sovereignization of Romania) not just through cultural and economic involvement, which is not per se objectionable to the milksops in Bucharest, but done without consultation, agreement and approval from the national authorities as if it were not the territory of another sovereign. One interesting example is the Kos Karoly Plan (a turn of the century Hungarian supremacist, respectable enough in my eyes, but now being whitewashed into a flaming liberal for multiethnic Transylvania), which became the umbrella strategy for economic involvement in Romania. Another example are the quite frequent unannounced visits by high ranking Hungarian officials to the region, without prior notification or coordination with Bucharest, as well as their declarations. A good article on this can be found here
    https://larics.ro/dan-dungaciu-ce-inseamna-de-suveranizarea-romaniei-in-transilvania-o-clarificare-pentru-presa-de-la-budapesta/
    Whatever faults anyone might find with it, remember that this is an internal group of the Romanian Academy, so they are likely representative of what is being said inside Romanian institutions.
    - The money pumped by Hungary buys a lot of goodwill. Ever since some of the more vociferous protests of the Romanian government, the Romanian minority in the central region has also benefited from agricultural investment etc.
    - The persistent idea that governance is MUCH better in Transylvania than elsewhere, attributing its better fortunes to their own merits rather than a privileged geographical position closer to Western markets, the heavy German/Austrian investment that prefers the area due also to the largest still extant network of German language schools from the former Ostsiedlung (a German businessman told me this and my own boss grew up as the only Romanian in a German school and became fluent as a result) and the Romanian state's prioritization of this area for investment in highways and in railways, it being the logical thing to do. There is an up to date map here of highways under construction in Romania http://www.130km.ro/harta.html The Northern Black portions are now being bid on and will soon enter construction as well. The future European railway corridor is another example. One of the most persistent national conspiracy theories is that Hungary (along with Germany and Austria) sabotage efforts aimed at cross-Carpathian infrastructure tying the historical regions together, in order to effect an eventual dismemberment of the country. The Moldovans have expressed very high frustration at the prioritization of Transylvania for infrastructure, especially since connecting the regions via highways is especially difficult. In Moldova, there is the road with the highest number of fatalities in Romania because of how crowded it is.
    - Local resentment at the high number of Moldovans (from Romanian Moldova, but also the Republic) moving in because of the low unemployment, higher economic growth etc. Cluj and other areas are some of the hottest and unaffordable real estate markets in Romania. And Cluj had, for a brief while, higher rents than Bucharest, a city officially 6-7 times its size. Transylvania, the whole of it, is becoming more Romanian because of its economic growth, which will happen even to the majority Hungarian counties as they become better connected. An autonomous or federal subject Transylvania is basically Canada, and can impose a sort of binationalism which, in Canada, led to an overrepresentation of the French among the elites (being the more likely bilinguals) and the reversal of Anglicization trends in cities like Montreal.
    - The usual douchebaggery between neighboring regions, just like neighboring cities and neighboring villages

    Why I think the talk will just stay that way:
    - Transylvanians are overrepresented among Romanian political and business elites. The current mayor of Cluj was the former Prime Minister. The current President is from Sibiu. Including the very many minorities (not just Hungarian) who hold or have held power at the level of the Romanian state. There are three types of elites - those who are satisfied with the status quo (most in Romania), those who want a bigger stage for their careers and their egos (the EU federalists) and those who want to amplify their power by having a smaller pond in which they will be the bigger fish (the autonomists, who are in the extreme minority, and the decentralists, who are quite numerous but want to see a lot more financial power devolved at local and county levels, not to have their own Parliaments and Presidents). This latter group is made up of local elites, but not just ethnic elites, also the "local barons" who have increased their power within the national parties (Liviu Dragnea is a Southern local baron transplanted to national politics). You can tell the local barons by having a grip on machine politics at city and commune level, by having business interests in construction, agriculture, animal rearing, tourism, and by either being uneducated, or being educated in fields like agronomy, engineering, oil etc. UDMR has failed at securing autonomy because it has steadily been absorbed into Romanian national politics as a near constant governing partner. They are local elites who have become national elites. UDMR gained the richest Romanian ministry in the current coalition government (the Ministry for Development).
    - UDMR is seen as a fifth column for Hungary, with its leader flying to Budapest for talks with Orban right after the recent elections. However, under the surface, there is resentment at Budapest throwing its weight around and thinking its money makes them their boss. The money may be icing on the cake, but the cake is provided by the Romanian state, especially in the poor Hungarian areas, which are heavy net tax recipients. An indication of this was the former UDMR leader, Marko Bela (apparently on the outs with Orban), writing an op-ed in the Hungarian press (in Hungary) in which he warned that they should take their minds off of Transylvania and seek a better economic partnership with Romania through real cooperation with Bucharest. Writing this article is a sort of third rail, because every Hungarian liberal I have met is resentful at Fidesz's electoral strength through its vote farms in the surrounding countries, especially Romania. UDMR will get more inducements, including symbolic gestures like the recent abandonment of the initiative to make the 4th of June (Trianon) a national holiday in Romania.
    - Romanians talk shit about each other, especially in public (I admire Bulgaria for how it presents itself to Europe like its shit does not stink - you will not catch Bulgarian euro-parliamentarians proposing Art. 7 sanctions against their own country like one Romanian liberal did). But there is an essential, atavistic, ethnic solidarity that sadly does not translate into real elite rearing and policy making but does make for excellent survival reflexes. Getting the country torn asunder will make even Romanian liberals cross-eyed, though they will start by saying that adding another layer of bureaucracy is not the way, Romania needs top down reform through central institutions, the "provinces" are too underdeveloped and immature as polities etc etc. All true, but all excuses for a visceral dread of getting torn apart which was learned the hard way.
    - Resentment at the Hungarians. Essentially, the big mouthed Moldovans and Wallachians don't really care about the Hungarians as long as the country is safe and the perceived insults are minimized. The quiet, unflappable and diligent Transylvanians, while admiring the Hungarians as their former overlords (but even more for the Austrians), have a deep distrust of them as a group (not as individuals). They still remember how they could not have churches in town, how 1848 saw the last vestiges of serfdom removed, how their ancestors could not build stone houses and were sold with the land, and how their grandfathers got beat up and renamed Istvan after the Diktate of Vienna. To this day, aside from the Gypsies, the weirdest names in Romania are found in Transylvania, where a habit was formed to give people awful and old fashioned names that could not be magyarized - Romeliu, Flavius, Ieronim, Decebal, Traian. Sure, they are a minority, but still much more common than elsewhere. Moving the passions of Balkans politics to provincial level through autonomy in this complicated area is stupid beyond belief. They would have terrorist groups in a few years. It is bad enough for the state to keep finding Hungarian wannabe paramilitaries training in Romania. Imagine when our guys get in on the action, especially, since, by Communist design (and military pragmatism concerning the vulnerable East and West), the Hungarian regions are surrounded by military bases which today host our special forces. Therefore, the region is also full of military retirees. No region in Romania has quite the same volatile mix as Transylvania. Of course, it is not at Balkans level, but it has been, to the surprise of many, a very quiet country. Another Romanian conspiracy theory is that Romania was slated for the same dismemberment as Yugoslavia after 1989 but had better diplomacy in the end.
    - Every time the autonomist thing picks up steam, something happens to crap on it and remind people of the past. One example is the trend of former Hungarian noblemen claiming back land from the Romanian state which was never confiscated by the Communists, but by the Kingdom during a period of agrarian reform. Romania has very generous and open ended policies regarding full restitution of property to all legitimate descendants (much better than Hungary ever had), but there is some sort of loop hole or unaddressed issue whereby these people are getting back property which their ancestors had already been compensated for. Romania had two big precommunist agricultural reforms (expropriation for distribution to landless peasants) - one during the union of Wallachia and Moldova, in 1863-1864 aimed at church land (Romania only gained a Patriarchate in the 1920s and a quarter of the arable land of the country belonged to Greek controlled churches). The second was in 1921 (actually the year of land distribution, the reform had been in the making since before the war and the unification) and was aimed at all big landowning families, the Royal Family and the subjects of foreign princes. In Transylvania, that meant Hungarian landowners, many of them noble. The peasants that received property were three quarters Romanian, one quarter Hungarian, about half a million families in total. The Hungarian noblemen took the state to international court and Romania was forced in Paris to pay 100 tonnes of gold over what had already been paid, following which the case would be considered closed. An article is here
    https://adevarul.ro/locale/alba-iulia/afacerea-necurata-optantilor-unguri-ardeal-fost-tarata-romania-procese-internationale-grofi-conti-detinut-proprietati-aici-1_5571aad6cfbe376e35f61f6f/index.html
    Now, after Communism, somehow, the descendants of the Hungarian landowners are claiming back the land, rather than the peasants from whom the Communists took it in the first place. Imagine the headlines in the national media - "the grof returns", grof being the local version of graf and is basically an obscenity to Romanian ears (it resembles the sound the pig makes, which might not be an accident; in our irreverent streak, the word sleahta, which has common roots with the Polish slazchta nobility, means a group of rogues and ne'er-do-wells). It's probably somewhat like "massa" sounds to American Blacks and how they use it.
    - Aside from the great starfish itself, Bucharest, Transylvania (or rather, its cities) is the big skimmer of the national cream, is the big beneficiary of whatever infrastructure investment the government manages to get right. The country's talent, workers and ideas that do not go abroad go there. While people are always upset with the slow pace of things (but let's remember our economy is at least 8 times bigger than it was in 1992, with 16% less population), the status quo is pretty good to a lot of people in the elite categories. Why risk it for something you don't even truly believe in?

    Hope it illuminates more than it obscures. Sorry for the long post.

    , @Romanian
    @Guillaume Durocher

    As for Prussia, I never really understood Cioran there. If anything, we would be Habsburg and look towards Austria. Sure, by comparison to the Balkans, many people look positively Prussian. But I think I am not mistaken in saying that Austria represented, at least through its own propaganda, a softer and more liberal germanism than the Prussian militarism that was later pegged as the spiritual ancestor of the Nazis (finished reading Iron Kingdom recently). The main difference was, of course, in how society was structured. The really old Prussianism was based on the East-Elbian Junckers like Bismarck, big conservative landowners who begat a military elite and a certain ethos. We did not have that in Transylvania, the Germans were a quite small and mostly urban minority, and, if some resemblance could be found in the big landowners there, like the guys I mentioned in my other post, it certainly did not apply to the Romanians. Some things definitely rubbed off on them but I think Cioran was just tooting his own horn by appealing to the epitome of efficiency as contrasted to Balkan slovenliness. Vienna was the good cop in the Austro-Hungarian "buddy act", especially the idea of the rich, sophisticated, urban, refined Vienna as a model, as well as its role as an enlightened arbiter to which the Romanians could appeal for rights and for emancipation. To this day, there is a Habsburg nostalgia and idealization among many people I spoke with. We were always too intimate with the Hungarians to view them in the same way.
    As for the region's liberalism, it comes with the older pattern of urbanization. The components of Romania were not just under different imperial influences and sometimes bootheels, but literally also under different social hierarchies and patterns of social relations. The cities you cited (and more beside them) are also much closer, in geographic and in real terms, to the economic dynamo of Central Europe and always have been. The real question is why the Royals never thought to move the capital to Alba Iulia or Brasov (Kronstadt in German, from its latin name, Corona, literally Crown). Maybe they did not have time. Had they moved the capital, the pattern would be even more striking without Bucharest in the South at its current size (attained during Communism).

  • @Andrei
    @Guillaume Durocher

    There is no ghettoization of Hungarians. In fact the opposite is the problem for Hungarian nationalists. Hungarians assimilate all too well, in urban areas there are tons of interethnic marriages and most of the time the resulting children identify as Romanian (as it's both practically and psychologically easier to side with the majority).

    This is one of the reasons why heavily Hungarian-majority cities in 1920 like Oradea and Cluj now have clear Romanian majorities. In 1920 of the top 10 cities in Transylvania none had a Romanian majority, whereas now they all have Romanian majorities, and except for Targu Mures, Hungarians aren't even close in the rest.

    As for gypsies, ironically they aren't the issue they used to be (the worst was arguably the 1980s and 90s). There are several reasons: a lot of them (including the more energetic/criminal-prone among them) are now in the West, there is more welfare, thus they don't need to resort to petty crime as much, there are simple jobs like cashiers that they can perform, and also a lot of them have been pushed (through various legal schemes by local politicians) from the cities back into the countryside, where they form enclaves which don't really bother Romanians. Better nutrition has likely helped their IQ and looks somewhat as well, though I'm not 100% on this one. But theoretically, the Flynn effect should work on them as well.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Romanian

    Very interesting and informative, thank you!

    • Replies: @Simple Pseudonym
    @Guillaume Durocher

    During the Austro-Hungarian occupation of Transylvania most Romanians lived in the rural areas.
    Even though they were the majority, they didn't have the same rights as the Szekelies, the Hungarians or the Saxons did. They were second hand citizens. In the Saxon towns the Romanians were allowed to enter only if they paid a special tax, but under no circumstance they were allowed to walk on the pavement (they had to walk on the road) or spend the night there. The Hungarians even passed laws forbidding Romanians to give Romanian names to their children or to use stone or mortar when building their houses.

    The ghettoization exists in the areas were the Hungarians are the majority (Harghita&Covasna). There the Romanians are very much discriminated against and they could even get in trouble if they speak Romanian.

    , @Seraphim
    @Guillaume Durocher

    An occurrence that is generally glossed over, was the policy of forced Magyarisation undertaken by the Hungarians in Transylvania after its annexation to the Kingdom of Hungary in 1867 (the only period when Transylvania 'belonged' to Hungary), which resulted in a growing opposition from the absolute Romanian majority which militated for the autonomy of Transylvania, and in the growing 'nationalist' drive to unite with the Romanian 'Old' Kingdom of all the Romanians of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, a desire expressed since the Revolution of 1848 and fulfilled at the end of WW1. The parents of both Corneliu Codreanu and Ion Moța have been Romanian Orthodox 'irredentist' fighters from Transylvania and Bukovina.
    The Magyars in Transylvania became overnight from an oppressing minority, an 'oppressed, discriminated' minority by a 'xenophobic, racist, antisemitic' Romania, agitating with fervor for the revision of the 'System of Versailles', therefore attracting the sympathies and support of the Nazis, Italian Fascists and Catholics. One shouldn't be surprised that this anti-Romanian and anti-Orthodox animus animated the Soros' 'open society' NGOs and his payees (even among Romanian oh-so-'European' intellectuals).

  • @Simple Pseudonym
    @Guillaume Durocher

    ” Romania can only be ruled only with the machine gun” Yeah, but why did he said that? What was he talking about? What was the context? Probably he was talking about coruption. This kind of retoric is not something unsual for a writer and a poet, which he was.

    You should know that Recorder is the Romanian version of TYT. This says it all.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Dacian Julien Soros

    I tried to provide some context, but please enlighten me then on why he said it.

    • Replies: @Simple Pseudonym
    @Guillaume Durocher

    I don't know why he said it. Most probably it was a figure of speech. He was a christian and he was the kind of guy who loved children and animals (I believe he raised almost 10 dogs). He wouldn't have hurt a fly. Not even his worst enemies expected him to shoot anybody if he would have had the chance to do it. But he had a big mouth and the ones who hated him knew how the exploit this weakness of his.

  • @Brooklyn Dave
    What exactly is their position on the Romany and the Hungarians in Transylvania?

    Replies: @ariadna, @Simple Pseudonym, @Guillaume Durocher

    Honestly I cannot find much on either. Gypsies are widely recognized as a social problem by Romanians, but there does not seem to be much political campaigning in this area. AUR is opposed to the ethnic Hungarian party (UDMR) which effectively acts as a kingmaker in Romanian parliamentary politics (almost always finding a deal with the new ruling party in exchange for pork). AUR says it is opposed to the “ghettoization” of Hungarians in Romania.

    • Replies: @Andrei
    @Guillaume Durocher

    There is no ghettoization of Hungarians. In fact the opposite is the problem for Hungarian nationalists. Hungarians assimilate all too well, in urban areas there are tons of interethnic marriages and most of the time the resulting children identify as Romanian (as it's both practically and psychologically easier to side with the majority).

    This is one of the reasons why heavily Hungarian-majority cities in 1920 like Oradea and Cluj now have clear Romanian majorities. In 1920 of the top 10 cities in Transylvania none had a Romanian majority, whereas now they all have Romanian majorities, and except for Targu Mures, Hungarians aren't even close in the rest.

    As for gypsies, ironically they aren't the issue they used to be (the worst was arguably the 1980s and 90s). There are several reasons: a lot of them (including the more energetic/criminal-prone among them) are now in the West, there is more welfare, thus they don't need to resort to petty crime as much, there are simple jobs like cashiers that they can perform, and also a lot of them have been pushed (through various legal schemes by local politicians) from the cities back into the countryside, where they form enclaves which don't really bother Romanians. Better nutrition has likely helped their IQ and looks somewhat as well, though I'm not 100% on this one. But theoretically, the Flynn effect should work on them as well.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Romanian

    , @Brooklyn Dave
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Thank you Guillaume. I feel privileged to receive a reply from you. I do enjoy your articles -on this site and elsewhere. I really didn't know what the situation was concerning Hungarians in Romania. Yes, Gypsies are quite the treat wherever they wind up. We have them here in New York, but they are lost in the vibrancy of so many other groups. The only thing I can say about them from a long ago interaction is that you would not want them in your bar if you owned one.

  • @Simple Pseudonym
    Vadim Tudor never said that “Romania is to be governed with a machine gun!”
    I guess in 10 years you will believe everything NY Times wrote about Trump too.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    The source for the quote is footage of Tudor in this documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=6030&v=uUbN6DXJwFg

    • Replies: @Simple Pseudonym
    @Guillaume Durocher

    ” Romania can only be ruled only with the machine gun” Yeah, but why did he said that? What was he talking about? What was the context? Probably he was talking about coruption. This kind of retoric is not something unsual for a writer and a poet, which he was.

    You should know that Recorder is the Romanian version of TYT. This says it all.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Dacian Julien Soros

  • Jérôme Fourquet’s The French Archipelago provides a kind of dynamic radioscopy of the French nation as she has developed in recent decades. The picture, as detailed in my review of the book, is one of the fading away of the old sociological left and right, leaving behind a fragmented subcultural and political landscape, divided in...
  • @anon
    That Danish sperm bank has rather multicultural donors, so you are coping too much.

    Reason of popularity of that particular sperm bank is that Denmark laws allows donors to stay anonymous, for example when UK made option that children could find out who are their fathers, donations pretty much stopped, and UK women now order sperm from Denmark, since there is simply none in UK. But they still can choose British man, or Congolese, or whatever. I mean freaking thing is called Cryos International.

    That being said it seems rather based, since they have this as question : 'Have you had sex with a man, who has had sex with another man?' At their application.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @anon

    Is there data on preferred donors?

  • @Digital Samizdat

    ... nor Pope Paul VI’s July 1968 encyclical Humanae vitae recalling of the ban on contraception seem to have had much impact.
     
    Recall? Didn't Humanae Vitae reaffirm the church's ban on contraception?

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Ambiguous choice of words: I mean “recalled” as in “reminded” people about the ban.

  • @AaronB
    @AaronB

    Also, sociologically speaking, the rise of science, may substitute for social convention in creating that feeling of security.

    Science and convention may serve the same human need - dealing with a risky world, to ultimately survive and flourish.

    But the rise of science may have provided an alternative source of security, and thus "loosened" the need for social convention as the primary source of security.

    What I have noticed about "scientistic" people, transhumanists, IQists, and the like, is that they treat it sort of like a strict social convention against which you cannot transgress, rather than a free pursuit of truth. This makes sense if science for them answers the need traditional social convention uses to, the need for security, and isnt the bold, exhilirating pursuit of the unknown that the best scientists understood it to be.

    In other words, science as a sociological phenomena and social institution, filling the old role of tradition and convention, and not as a flight into the unknown.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Very interesting comments. Thank you!

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Thanks: AaronB
    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Sorry to emote but you really always have struck me as a Jew in spirit and the satanic bilge you find interesting confirms it but then again some Greeks also claimed a relationship with Jews being "family" (Hyksos perhaps) no matter the hatred for the Greeks in the bible. Its is not an intellectual thing but rather of the spirit, You could read and discuss for all eternity and never get it.

  • @Vehmic Juryman
    The author seems to have cognitive dissonance when it comes to abortion. He acknowledges that it is part of the social liberalism which is associated with the death of western countries but he seems to be in favor of it anyways. The overwhelmingly vast majority of abortions have nothing to do with eugenics. I don't know about France, but in the US less than 1% of abortions are due to genetic defects. As for the supposed benefits of embryo selection, the psychological benefit of the "sacralization of fetuses" on the family outweighs the cost. Eugenicists don't have children. Trad Caths do.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Verymuchalive

    Abortion is disproportionately used by low IQ individuals.

    In the United States, almost half of abortions involve Black women and one third of Black fetuses are aborted. Admittedly, we do not have such statistics for France and it is possible Muslims are less likely to use it because of their comparative social conservatism.

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
    @Guillaume Durocher

    And promoted by high IQ people who con the simple into doing what is evil and contrary to nature.

    , @Rattus Norwegius
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Abortion is merely the last resort, most people take use of other forms of birth controll prior to needing a abortion. Some people may be more prone to use abortion as birth controll for reasons such as cultural norms and self discipline.

  • There is a striking contrast for the historian between how popular culture portrays National Socialism and how the historians present it. In popular culture, the portrayal is uniformly negative, to the point that National Socialism becomes a wholly incomprehensible phenomenon. At the same time, Nazi aesthetics and themes - whether or not these are framed...
  • @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Did I miss it or was their no mention of Lothrop Stoddard's Into The Darkness ?

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    An excellent book!

  • @lysias
    @Peter Frost

    Robert Michels's Iron Law of Oligarchy holds that, whatever the ostensible form of government, in fact an elite governs. Josiah Ober in his book "Knowledge and Democracy" argues that Athenian democracy, with its use of sortition (the lot) to appoint average citizens to government functions and offices, was an exception to Michels's rule. Athens of course had an elite, but its power was limited and it was often overruled. And the elite resented this, as we can see from the writings of people like Plato and Thucydides.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Athens is an interesting case of an often quite effective direct democracy. Arguably Athens also had a political elite. Especially those with the rhetorical skills to sway the Assembly or jurors. Pericles first among them.

  • @Peter Frost
    Alexis Carrel had a strong influence on Pierre Trudeau (a former Canadian prime minister). While at college, he described Carrel's book L'homme, cet inconnu as "a summary of all the sciences and the philosophies. For that it's arduous [to read] but it's passionately interesting. ... It's a book one must completely assimilate."

    There are parallel's between Trudeau's writings and Carrel's. In his manifesto for a national revolution, Trudeau wrote:


    Human equality being considered neither desirable nor possible, an aristocracy or an elite may form freely, deriving its worth not so much from wealth, which will be limited by legislation, as from the more human qualities of moral and intellectual excellence.
     
    This corresponds closely, even in the wording, to Carrel's book:

    It is chiefly the intellectual and moral deficiencies of the political leaders, and their ignorance, which endanger modern nations. … But, despite the immense sums spent on education, we have failed to develop completely their intellectual and moral activities. Even in the elite of the population, consciousness often lacks harmony and strength. … Indeed, human beings are equal. But individuals are not. … To disregard all these inequalities is very dangerous. The democratic principle has contributed to the collapse of civilization in opposing the development of an elite. (Carrel, 1939, pp. 22, 140, 271.)
     
    We see this same thinking after the war, in an article written by Trudeau in 1948 for the Montreal weekly Notre temps. In it, he criticized Canada's participation in the war:

    Thus our leaders believed in government of the people for the people but not by the people. They nursed a secret thought that the people can err, that the elite’s duty is to save this formless mass that is led by passion rather than reason and which may not want to be saved [malgré elle]. Certainly, there are things to say in favor of that theory, which is called elite theory, and against the convention that 51% of the population always has a monopoly on wisdom. But we could not help but be astonished that we were being called up to serve under the flag (God knows which one!) precisely to fight theories in other places that were being brazenly applied at home. And we had to conclude that our “elite” was seeking to save by force of arms something else than democracy, and perhaps something less honorable.
     
    Essentially, Trudeau was arguing that elites are inevitable. The question is whether the elite serves the nation or itself

    Were other postwar leaders influenced by Alexis Carrel?

    Replies: @lysias, @Guillaume Durocher, @Rob McX

    I had no idea. Very interesting!

  • @Diversity Heretic
    @Old and Grumpy

    Hitler was, after all, Austrian; born in Branau am Inn and spending a considerable portion of his youth in Vienna. He did not want, however, to serve in the polyglot Austro-Hungarian Army when World War I began, so he petitioned the King of Bavaria to be allowed to serve in a Bavarian unit within the German Army. The Third Reich had little interest in an Italian alliance--German net assessors before the war concluded that German interests would be better served by Italian neutrality than belligerance on the German side--a point of view that proved true. Hitler was more interested in an alliance with Franco's Spain but El Caudillo had better geopolitical sense than to ally with the Third Reich;

    Your characterization of Hitler as seeking somehow to recreate and expand the Austro-Hungarian Empire strikes me as intriguing; a point of view that I had never considered. It might even have been a factor in his decision to turn the Panzer divisions to the south in August 1941 rather than drive on Moscow.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Wielgus, @Skeptikal

    With the caveat: Hitler hated the Habsburg monarchy and its perpetual attempts to find messy compromises between its component ethnies. He was clearly shaped and shocked by German-Austrians’ decline from hegemony in Austria-Hungary and gradual subjection to a non-German majority. In that sense German hegemony over a multiethnic Reich came very naturally to Hitler and probably his Austrian experience also accounts for his obsession with Czechoslovakia. A more ecumenical approach probably would have yielded an Axis victory.

    • Agree: Skeptikal
  • @gotmituns
    Anyone who really wants to get to the root of National Socialism must read Alfred Rosenberg's, "Myth of the Twentieth Century," no comic book. Take notes as you read, read more than once. Hitler panned the book only because as a man working to bring his nation out of a depression he had no time to sit and actually digest what Rosenberg was saying. But over a million other people took the book seriously, including the allies, who executed Rosenberg for writing it and refusing to recant.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Carolyn Yeager

    tl/dr? Chapoutot takes the book quite seriously.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Thanks much sir, Through googling Chapoutot, I came up with "The Politics of Despair" authored by Fritz Stern. I'll give that a try.

  • @Wally
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Conditioned a la Pavlov's dog, you said:

    "The historians – while virtually all acknowledging the great scale of Nazi atrocities in Poland and the Soviet Union ... "

    - But there is no proof of your "great scale of Nazi atrocities".

    - If you really believed it you would at least attempt to proof it.

    https://www.historiography-project.com/assets/img/cartoons/house_of_cards.gif

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Ugetit

    There’s much more to the matter of Nazi atrocities than just the Jews. I think it’s fair to say that, on the whole, German occupation of Western Europe was no more brutal than, say, that of Napoleon. The East is different, just have a look at the annihilation of the elite and population policies in occupied Poland.

    I am of course open to alternative sources and accounts.

    • Agree: frontier
    • Replies: @Wally
    @Guillaume Durocher

    - IOW, you still cannot present the requested proof for your claimed "great scale of Nazi atrocities", so you dodge.

    - I remind you, Gillaume, that it's your mentioned "historians" who claim that millions upon millions of Jews & ‘others’ human remains exist in known locations, yet there are no such human remains.

    you said: "I am of course open to alternative sources and accounts."

    - OK then, good for you, here is just one of your "great Nazi atrocities" utterly debunked, once again, no claimed human remains:

    Babi Yar: The [alleged] Einsatzgruppen 'Killings': https://www.unz.com/article/babi-yar/
    !! Excavation Result: No Human Remains of alleged 34,000 Jews as claimed at Babi Yar !! In fact, no remains period.': https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314
    79th anniversary of 'Babi Yar Massacre' Fraud: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13562
    plus
    What Happened to Jews Sent to the Aktion Reinhardt Camps?: by John Wear : https://www.unz.com/article/what-happened-to-jews-sent-to-the-aktion-reinhardt-camps/
    much more at:
    https://www.unz.com/topic/holocaust/feature/
    More where those came from.

    , @utu
    @Guillaume Durocher


    "The East is different, just have a look at the annihilation of the elite and population policies in occupied Poland."
     
    Exactly. German actions (AB-Aktion and Intelligenzaktion) starting on the day one of the occupation of Poland were unprecedented in the history of Europe except for the actions of Bolsheviks in Russia and they were pretty well known. French politicians who negotiated the armistice and surrender in 1940 were very much aware of what Germans were capable of and wanted to avoid the 'polonization' of France.

    THE RECONSTRUCTION OF FRANCE: MARSHAL PETAIN'S POLICIES, 1940-1942, AS EVALUATED BY AMERICAN JOURNALISTS AND SCHOLARS
    https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/215275781.pdf

    At the time of the French defeat, too short a time had elapsed since the beginning of the war for a general assessment to develop regarding German occupation patterns or to predict the effects of the German occupation on the conquered states; only from the case of Poland could conclusions be drawn. In some respects, the situation of Poland bore similarities to that of France. Both countries had German minorities and had received territories from Germany in the Treaty of Versailles which were by culture and language German. Poland therefore could serve as a precedent for the French government as it groped for clues regarding German policies after conquest. While Germany's annexation of its pre-World War I territory in Poland had been expected, nobody anticipated the destruction of the Polish elite and the expropriation, expulsion, and resettlement of one million Poles. International law was violated. While annexation in the case of total conquest and in the absence of a functioning government was permissible, the expropriation of private property was not.
     

    Replies: @Colin Wright, @Colin Wright

  • @Carolyn Yeager
    @saggy

    As soon as I saw this, right at the beginning of the article, I knew I had to call Durocher on it. Thanks for doing it, saggy. This is a big problem Durocher has - his belief, or his position anyway, that the Slavs were innocent victims of the Germans. He can't defend it, and doesn't try, but just states it as a fact, and uses the word "atrocities" without specifying what they are. He is no historian and he admits it. I guess he's some kind of entertainer.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Jaxa, @Jaxa

    Mrs. Yeager, what do you think of German policies towards occupied Poland? Or the various Soviet territories?

    I would be happy to look at your suggested sources on the matter.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Thank you, Guillaume. (By the way, I'm not "Mrs. Yeager," since that would mean Yeager is my married name. It is my birth name; the Yeager's in my life are my blood relatives.)

    Please look at the following sources for a start - I think they would help you understand the larger situation in which the war developed as it did. Very important. The anti-Nazis would have us focus only on what took place after war was unleashed. Once at war, attitudes are hardened. But we must understand why war was unleashed and who wanted it, for what purposes. Yes?

    Podcasts
    https://carolynyeager.net/hitler-and-slavs
    with special attention to Part 3 and 4:
    Poland – the Great Pretender https://carolynyeager.net/heretics-hour-hitler-and-slavs-3
    How Poland became such a regional troublemaker https://carolynyeager.net/heretics-hour-hitler-and-slavs-4
    Ukrainian nationalism
    https://carolynyeager.net/heretics-hour-hitler-and-slavs-6

    Articles
    How the Poles conspired with the Americans to falsely blame Germany for “aggression” against Poland in 1939.
    https://carolynyeager.net/gleiwitz-%E2%80%9Cfalse-flag%E2%80%9D-incident-pure-fiction
    Poland claims 6 million of its citizens were killed during WWII, half (3 million) of them Jews. This is a lie. https://carolynyeager.net/search-wwii-mass-graves

    Auschwitz
    https://carolynyeager.net/auschwitz-underground-guided-tour

    Poland now demands “reparations”
    https://carolynyeager.net/shameless-poles-use-falsified-history-demand-more-money-hard-working-germans

    From The Scriptorium
    The Polish Atrocities Against the German Minority in Poland
    https://wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/atrocities/pagmp000.html
    Poland from the Inside
    https://wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/polandinside/pfi00.html
    Unknown History of the 1939 German-Polish Conflict
    https://wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/wrsynopsis.html
    Death in Poland: The Fate of the Ethnic Germans
    https://wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/deathinpoland/dp00.html
    Long Night's Journey Into Day
    https://wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/longnightsjourney/lnjid00.html

    Soviet Union
    https://carolynyeager.net/goebbels-vlasov-irving-question
    https://carolynyeager.net/goebbels-vlasov-irving-question-part-2

    , @Jaxa
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Guillaume, your reader here, great article, as always.

    Here's a Wermacht soldier reminiscing on German atrocities against Polish civilians during the Warsaw Uprising in 1944, Beyond horrifying. In Polish (narrator) and German (subtitles). Hope you'll find it interesting.

    "When bodies are on fire, they move. There are noises like moans. Back then I thought they were really still alive. And those flies, worms. How many people were killed in Warsaw? Probably 350 thousand. Yes?"

    https://youtu.be/UD-TXVuHjXE

  • @Colin Wright
    One interesting theme to look at in what might be called the demonology of Nazism is how what is considered 'demonic' has evolved in accord with the changing ethical fashions of the West.

    I can remember -- back when sexual degeneracy was a bad thing -- that it was common to accuse Nazis and the Nazi leadership of various rather improbable forms of sexual deviance and abnormality.

    Then of course increasing emphasis was laid on their racism as we moved into the Sixties and racism became a bad thing. Come the Seventies and Eighties, and it was their sexism that received attention.

    Finally, we traveled full circle. From having been bad because they themselves were supposedly sexual degenerates, Nazis became bad because they persecuted sexual degenerates. Once, Ernst Rohm's frank homosexuality would have been emphasized. Now, it would probably be considered in bad taste to point it out.

    What the Nazis actually were has become almost irrelevant. We make them into whatever we wish, and what becomes significant is what we make them into. The Nazis become whatever we seek to cast out, to mark as beyond the pale. They become a kind of reverse ideal, the epitomy of what we would not be -- and so they keep changing to fit.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Wielgus, @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    True!

  • @Commentator Mike

    In our popular culture and intellectual discourse, there is little serious engagement with the Darwinian biological realities underpinning National-Socialist ideology or with the failings of parliamentary democracy, which led many people in the interwar years, even mainstream figures like the godfather of the EU Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi, to pine for a different system of government.
     
    I very much doubt that Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi was a mainstream figure in the interwar years or even widely known. A better case could be made for the Nazi origins of the EEC/EU and that the real godfather of the EU was Walter Hallstein:

    https://www.dr-rath-foundation.org/2016/06/the-hidden-nazi-background-of-walter-hallstein-founding-president-of-the-brussels-eu-commission/

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    It’s interesting to know that the vaunted EU’s origins aren’t squeaky clean.

    That’s said, bureaucrats believe in nothing & effortlessly bend with the wind. In this sense they are not the “origin” of anything.

  • @James O'Meara
    "A “biocracy” in which actual life scientists were “central for the regime in both word and deed”!"

    Well, there's the problem. Here at Unz we know that "Life sciences" are pseudo-sciences favored by girls who can't do math. Our manly hard science, physics, produced the weapons that ended the war. Science!

    http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/blogs/uploads/2014/02/Nazi-German-Girls-cheering-for-Hitler.jpg

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @jamie b., @37, @DastardlyDooright

    I am not sure what you are getting at. Care to elaborate?

  • @The Spirit of Enoch Powell
    Another excellent article by Durocher, I've always looked forward to reading pieces by this columnist not merely because of his analysis but also because he links a wealth of information for the reader to explore themselves, many interesting books were referenced in this article that I had not heard of before.

    In regards to the last picture of the Brazilian sperm donation story, it would be a supreme irony if instead of the world populace becoming a "European-Negroid race" of Kalergi fame, it become fully "Aryan", a sort of reverse White genocide.

    This would certainly end racism for good, within 10 generations, the whole world would be White if non-White groups were provided and made use of European eggs and sperm.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Metropole, @Anonymice

    Thank you sir!

    • Replies: @Wally
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Conditioned a la Pavlov's dog, you said:

    "The historians – while virtually all acknowledging the great scale of Nazi atrocities in Poland and the Soviet Union ... "

    - But there is no proof of your "great scale of Nazi atrocities".

    - If you really believed it you would at least attempt to proof it.

    https://www.historiography-project.com/assets/img/cartoons/house_of_cards.gif

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Ugetit

  • French President Emmanuel Macron came to attention recently with a long interview in which he criticized the German Defense Minister Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer. “AKK,” who is also the leader of the ruling Christian-Democratic Union (CDU) and heir-apparent to replace Angela Merkel, had written in an op-ed for Politico: “Illusions of European strategic autonomy must come to...
  • @Hyperborean
    Mr. Durocher, do you have an opinion on the Total Security Law and the proposed Law on Strengthening Republican Principles?

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    I don’t know what the Total Security Law refers to.

    The anti-separatism law is a vague attempt to eliminate forms of Islam deemed unacceptable to the French State. For the centrist Macron, the point is to attract right-wing ethnocentric voters (and perhaps some left-wing secularists). The practical effect will probably be annoy the growing Muslim community and consolidate them as a parallel society with its own distinct values and group pride.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @Guillaume Durocher


    I don’t know what the Total Security Law refers to.
     
    Perhaps I translated it poorly, I meant the law against maliciously documenting the police.
  • @German_reader

    “AKK,” who is also the leader of the ruling Christian-Democratic Union (CDU) and heir-apparent to replace Angela Merkel
     
    AKK is pretty much out of the running for Merkel's succession, the next chancellor will probably be Armin Laschet (incompetent pro-Islamic uber-cuck from North-Rhine-Westphalia), or maybe Bavaria's Markus Söder (unprincipled opportunist, has tried to adopt an image as competent crisis manager in Corona times, but it's pretty ridiculous). Doesn't really matter which one, both will enter into a coalition with the Greens after the next federal elections in fall 2021, which will let even more Africans and Muslims into Germany and increase repression of dissent to new levels.
    All that talk of European "strategic autonomy" is pretty meaningless given the demographic realities ably pointed out in Durocher's article.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Fluesterwitz, @Guillaume Durocher

    Thanks for the insights!

  • Jérôme Fourquet is a mainstream pollster with the venerable French Institute of Public Opinion (IFOP), the nation’s leading polling agency. He made a splash last year with his book, The French Archipelago: The Birth of a Multiple and Divided Nation, which presented a fine-grain statistical analysis of socio-cultural changes in French society and, in particular,...
  • @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ

    Don't know for sure (I'm not French after all), but I doubt she does it in explicit terms, both because she wants to appeal to normies and because of the legal situation restricting speech about such subjects.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Marine Le Pen wants net immigration reduced to negligible levels. But, when prompted by the media, she agrees with them that the Great Replacement is a hoax…

  • @TGD
    I understand that French school children are taught English as their first foreign language starting at 11 years old. It used to be German first. This is what will change France more than anything else.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Indeed. As late as the 70s around 15% of French high-schoolers learned German as their first foreign language (80% English, the rest negligible). Today, 99% learn English and Spanish has risen to be by far the most popular second foreign language (47%, against German’s 15%).

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Somewhat OT, but do pupils still learn Latin in the French school system or is that seen as too elitist nowadays?

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  • @Lot
    Great article.

    "Given the travails of the Brexit and Trump experiences, one wonders how an eventual National Rally administration would or could govern"

    I hope and expect that Marine would not display the sheer incompetence of Trump. She has stronger views than him, and based on deeply held principles. We in the USA ended up in a situation where the competent figures on the right wouldn't work for Trump because they'd quit their old job, move to DC, get attacked by the elites for working for him, and then he's promptly crap on them and fire them. Or to keep their job, they'd have to submit to absurd and constant humiliation.

    This is a Trump-specific problem, fortunately for the French!

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @silviosilver, @Dieter Kief

    I hate to disillusion people, but I doubt Marine Le Pen has many strong principles, though she certainly has more of an ideology than Trump. Unfortunately, much of that ideology is anti-EU civic nationalism. If Brexit is any indication, that means any Le Pen administration would likely waste a lot of energy theatrically clawing back bits of legal sovereignty from Brussels, with arguably little result.

    Le Pen is not an outrageous reality-TV celebrity like Trump. However, she has also performed regular purges of her party, whether for reasons of personality, tight control (she has a very narrow party line), or ideology (removes those too politically-incorrect).

    A big difference is that the central State plays a much more important role in French democracy and this is much more intertwined with the executive. To some extent there would then be less opportunities for the kind of sabotage Trump has faced. And admittedly, Salvini was able to achieve quite a lot even in coalition government in Italy, as has Orbán’s government in Hungary. Perhaps France will be able to replicate there success.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Guillaume Durocher


    Unfortunately, much of that ideology is anti-EU civic nationalism.
     
    I suppose if Le Pen ever got into power she would spend much of her time bashing Germany (because that's what "the EU" is mostly code for, in the end it always comes down to "Germany is trying to dominate Europe again")? I certainly noticed that her niece Marion Maréchal proposed a "Latin alliance" of France and the Southern Europeans against an alleged threat of German domination (also interesting that she pals around with people like Yoram Hazony and various American Enterprise Institute types). So just like with Brexit demographic displacement might continue to be a taboo subject while the world wars are refought, if only on a verbal level.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Rob McX
    @Guillaume Durocher


    Unfortunately, much of that ideology is anti-EU civic nationalism. If Brexit is any indication, that means any Le Pen administration would likely waste a lot of energy theatrically clawing back bits of legal sovereignty from Brussels, with arguably little result.
     
    Very similar to British Brexiters, then. Stopping non-white immigration is infinitely more important than getting control back from Brussels (and handing it over to British bureaucrats who will do the same as their EU counterparts). In retrospect, I think it would have been better if British patriots had stayed in the EU and concentrated all their efforts on stopping immigration.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  • @Agathoklis
    Thanks Guillaume. Very interesting. Fourquet's work suggests a France divided among several increasingly separate blocs but I would have thought the new development is really the growth of the Afro-Islamic bloc. Don't you think the elite versus poor urban/rural native French divide has always been present in one form of another going back to the Ancien Regime i.e. nobility/Church and peasants. Granted, today's elite in anti-French/globalist compared to the elites of the past. But, the Afro-Islamic bloc is a totally new element which indicators suggest, that as their numbers increase, they are less likely to assimilate to French ways.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Hello Agathoklis. There have always been economic divisions in France. However, there was considerable more social mixing in previous decades. What’s more, the left and the right used to unite people of difficult classes: progressive bourgeois might lead workers, while pious peasants and small business might readily side with the nobility. This is less and less the case. The Afro-Islamic presence represents the biggest change however, as it changes the very character of the people.

  • Paul Valéry was a French poet and essayist, famous in the first half of the last century. Growing up in France, I knew Valéry chiefly because of a somewhat trite slogan attributed to him. He more recently came to my attention by the praise of the Romanian philosopher Emil Cioran. Valéry is one of the...
  • @Lars Porsena
    Europe’s decline was caused, or perhaps accelerated, by her division.

    Meh.

    Europe spent the whole of post-Roman history as a bunch of tiny city states at constant (mostly ineffective, low level) war with their neighbors, and it produced that European explosion of advancement.

    Then they started consolidating into giant multi-ethnic empires around the same time they began to stagnate (and utterly annihilated each other in the world wars). Now they want to consolidate into one mega-state covering the whole continent where the most important issue will be how to pay for the healthcare and welfare so they can decline comfortably.

    Anyone chalking up the decline of Europe to it's division is being completely ahistorical on that note. Everything it ever achieved it achieved divided.

    Hell, even the Roman empire produced most of it's growth and advancement prior to most of it's conquest, and mainly stagnated and declined after it had unified 2/3rds or so of Europe.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    I completely agree.

  • @Seraphim
    @Guillaume Durocher

    As I mentioned, his books were banned in Communist Romania for their alleged 'anti-Communist' and 'mistico-fascist' content. Now, you know that Communism was equated (officially) with atheism. Reality is that atheism failed in Romania, due of course, to the 'backwardness' of the people and partly to the half-hearted application by the Party of the Soviet modes of 'convincing' people to abandon their deep seated 'obscurantist' modes of thinking (people viewed atheism and communism as an imposition by the Soviet occupants). In short, people remained Orthodox and Orthodoxy's outlook is completely alien to the kind of 'Job's' ruminations to which the 'West' is so adept to, believing that is proof of the heroic courage of man to 'think with his own head'. It actually perceive them as a symptom of the decadence and putrefaction of the 'West' which lost its faith. Orthodoxy takes for granted the answer for Job's ruminations.
    But, misinformed about the real exploits of Cioran, they believed the propaganda that he was a 'mistic-obscurantist' (which was in the Party's parlance the essence of Orthodoxy) of the kind that filled to the brim the islands of the Romanian GULAG, to be 're-educated' in atheism.
    The disappointment came when they realized that the 'anti-communist', 'mistic' was speaking the same language as the 're-educators' (actually that he spoke it always: "I agree with many of the things I’ve seen here, and I am persuaded that our native good-for-nothingness could be stifled, if not eradicated, by a dictatorial regime. In Romania, only terror, brutality and infinite anxiety could still lead to some change. All Romanians should be arrested and beaten to a pulp; only after such a beating could a superficial people make history" -1933!). That he was not what he was made to be.
    It was hard to understand how and why the son of a priest, born and brought up in a region were Orthodoxy was welded with Romanian nationalism, were Orthodoxy was the source of strength, hope and optimism in the future of the nation which just completed its state unity (Romania Mare), for long believed to be a 'fighter' from the 'Free World' for the liberation from the yoke of the atheist communists (scores of people crammed the jails only for suspicion that they had contacts with him) got the burning complex of inferiority that tortured him all his life. Romanians may be a small and insignificant nation, with a small and insignificant culture in the eyes of the West, but they are not in their own eyes and although they are not indifferent when they are treated with the contempt that the West reserves for the 'orientals', 'balkaniks', they don't lose much sleep about it. As a famous French (Raymond Poincaré) who happened to have an experience of Romania before WW1 put it: ""Que voulez-vous, nous sommes ici aux portes de l'Orient, où tout est pris à la légère".

    Replies: @SeekerofthePresence, @Guillaume Durocher

    That’s quite fine. Cioran was obviously a bloodthirsty bookworm, apparently compensating personal feebleness by scribbling dark dreams of NazBol tyranny. Though he proved wiser when rubber hit the road (i.e. when communism actually approached Romania). He was idiosyncratic and tortured by excess.. objectivity. He hated cope.

    Also, calling to bludgeon a nation into shape is not exactly extermination. Though I’m personally wary of such methods. Actually, Ceaușesquism can be considered an actuation of some of the youthful Cioran’s inane fantasies… But I can understand what he meant. None of the measures typically discussed will turn Romania into a noteworthy or even particularly functional nation. One likely needs a century of good breeding.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Actually the methods we talk about were applied in the first decades of Communism in Romania when Ceausescu was a second plan figure in the Party, by the 'internationalist-anti-fascist' (Comintern) flotsam that occupied key positions in the Party and State and filled the ranks of the Securitate, in majority non-ethnic Romanians (Hungarian Jews, Russian Jews), with grudges against the ethnic Romanians and who were still adepts of the Comintern's plans to partition Romania among its 'worthy' neighbors.
    Ceausescu, with all his faults was a peasant, instinctively nationalist and patriot (anathema for the 'globalists' of the 'International Community'). He got rid of many of the internationalists and turned to a 'nationalistic' line which upset the 'anti-fascists' who reverted illico presto to accusations of 'anti-semitism', 'xenophobia', 'persecution of minorities' (the 'West' was incensed by the 'treatment of Hungarian minority'), sentiments deep-seated into the psyche of an unworthy and dysfunctional nation (actually the 'West' has difficulties to recognize that Romanians are a nation) because of the nefarious influence of the Orthodox Church.
    Cioran certainly did not advocate the 'extermination' of Romanians. Anyhow, it would be hard to make sense of Cioran not having an inkling about the 'cafe culture' that Cioran frequented assiduously in the inter-war Bucharest: "In Bucharest I met lots of people, many interesting people, especially losers, who would show up at the cafe, talking endlessly and doing nothing. I have to say that, for me, these were the most interesting people there. People who did nothing all their lives, but who otherwise were brilliant".
    What is curious (and not so) is that he was assiduously promoted in post-communist Romania by the intellectual mercenaries of the Soros gang.

  • @AaronB
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Yes, I definitely think we can be happy, if we accept life as it is and stop trying to be other than we are, and dont take ourselves or the world too seriously!

    But this seems to be so far at least, a hard task for humanity. Probably, only individuals at any given time can really do this, although I think some societies can be more influenced by this attitude than others, and more conducive to happiness.

    Please continue with your excellent series on the French moralistes. This "skeptical" philosophic tradition is to my mind the most profound in Europe - Neitzsche thought likewise. It attempts to "see through" life, while the Germans, even pessimists like Schopenhauer, are really at bottom superficially optimistic. And forget about the Anglos....

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Guillaume Durocher

    Cheers! I am afraid I can’t even begin to paraphrase Montaigne and La Rochefoucauld, both excellent, but the latter in particular is underrated, very important.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Agree about La Rochefoucauld. One cannot have illusions about human progress after reading him, a seminal writer in the education of every Buddhist and cheerful nihilist.

    British philosopher John Gray manages to combine La Rochefoucauld with a kind of mystic Taoism and is a modern exemplar of the school of cheerful disillusion.

    Replies: @Agathoklis

  • @Seraphim
    @ariadna

    Cioran made a pact with the devil in order not to be expelled from France, where he was a student, after the war. I want to believe that his 'amertumes' are an expression of the disgust for his cowardice (including 'dobbing' on his former friends which led to their arrest and 'show trials'), but I wouldn't bet on it. That he turned 'anti-fascist' may be understandable (even without the special conditions which obtained in the post-war era of the 'purges'). Even his books published in Romania were not exactly in tune with what is purported to have been the 'ideology of the Legionary Movement' and have been criticized even in legionary papers.
    What is harder to understand was the unnecessary anti-Christian stand he took, playing the Nietzsches. He was the son of an Orthodox priest from a profoundly Orthodox region of Romania. His works have been banned in Communist Romania, but even after the fall of Communism, when he was published with much fanfare, he failed to attract any sympathy, precisely for his attacks on Orthodoxy.
    But trying to hard to imitate Nietzsche, he ended by losing his mind like his model. Karma is a bitch.

    Replies: @ariadna, @Guillaume Durocher

    Cioran made a pact with the devil in order not to be expelled from France, where he was a student, after the war. I want to believe that his ‘amertumes’ are an expression of the disgust for his cowardice (including ‘dobbing’ on his former friends which led to their arrest and ‘show trials’), but I wouldn’t bet on it. That he turned ‘anti-fascist’ may be understandable (even without the special conditions which obtained in the post-war era of the ‘purges’). Even his books published in Romania were not exactly in tune with what is purported to have been the ‘ideology of the Legionary Movement’ and have been criticized even in legionary papers.

    Agreed.

    What is harder to understand was the unnecessary anti-Christian stand he took, playing the Nietzsches. He was the son of an Orthodox priest from a profoundly Orthodox region of Romania. His works have been banned in Communist Romania, but even after the fall of Communism, when he was published with much fanfare, he failed to attract any sympathy, precisely for his attacks on Orthodoxy.

    What is hard to understand? He did not believe in the existence of God and rejected the whole Christian world-view as false and sterile. He could be sincere.. and that point. Though one might say his bitter, disappointed ruminations resemble.. Job’s.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @Guillaume Durocher

    As I mentioned, his books were banned in Communist Romania for their alleged 'anti-Communist' and 'mistico-fascist' content. Now, you know that Communism was equated (officially) with atheism. Reality is that atheism failed in Romania, due of course, to the 'backwardness' of the people and partly to the half-hearted application by the Party of the Soviet modes of 'convincing' people to abandon their deep seated 'obscurantist' modes of thinking (people viewed atheism and communism as an imposition by the Soviet occupants). In short, people remained Orthodox and Orthodoxy's outlook is completely alien to the kind of 'Job's' ruminations to which the 'West' is so adept to, believing that is proof of the heroic courage of man to 'think with his own head'. It actually perceive them as a symptom of the decadence and putrefaction of the 'West' which lost its faith. Orthodoxy takes for granted the answer for Job's ruminations.
    But, misinformed about the real exploits of Cioran, they believed the propaganda that he was a 'mistic-obscurantist' (which was in the Party's parlance the essence of Orthodoxy) of the kind that filled to the brim the islands of the Romanian GULAG, to be 're-educated' in atheism.
    The disappointment came when they realized that the 'anti-communist', 'mistic' was speaking the same language as the 're-educators' (actually that he spoke it always: "I agree with many of the things I’ve seen here, and I am persuaded that our native good-for-nothingness could be stifled, if not eradicated, by a dictatorial regime. In Romania, only terror, brutality and infinite anxiety could still lead to some change. All Romanians should be arrested and beaten to a pulp; only after such a beating could a superficial people make history" -1933!). That he was not what he was made to be.
    It was hard to understand how and why the son of a priest, born and brought up in a region were Orthodoxy was welded with Romanian nationalism, were Orthodoxy was the source of strength, hope and optimism in the future of the nation which just completed its state unity (Romania Mare), for long believed to be a 'fighter' from the 'Free World' for the liberation from the yoke of the atheist communists (scores of people crammed the jails only for suspicion that they had contacts with him) got the burning complex of inferiority that tortured him all his life. Romanians may be a small and insignificant nation, with a small and insignificant culture in the eyes of the West, but they are not in their own eyes and although they are not indifferent when they are treated with the contempt that the West reserves for the 'orientals', 'balkaniks', they don't lose much sleep about it. As a famous French (Raymond Poincaré) who happened to have an experience of Romania before WW1 put it: ""Que voulez-vous, nous sommes ici aux portes de l'Orient, où tout est pris à la légère".

    Replies: @SeekerofthePresence, @Guillaume Durocher

  • @ariadna
    I wish I could believe that "our critical and idealistic spirit, which has in many ways led to our current sad state of decomposition, may yet enable another unsuspected great enterprise of renewal.”
    I don’t. I believe that men like you will be fewer and fewer as time goes by, and so effectively “canceled” that they will no longer be heard, not even in alt media venues like this one, also cancelled by then. To the future generations raised to be zombies, “European” will be a term often confused with “Etruscan” (no monuments left, only pottery shards).

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/505089-lockdowns-masks-children-develop/

    I have no respect for Cioran as a man, once a professed admirer of NS and an ardent nationalist who repented vocally later, when convenient, and who vigorously tried "purging himself of the stigmata of his birthplace, including its language, which he rarely deigned to speak even when among Romanian expats. Cioran felt humiliated by the fact of being Romanian. In his early, notoriously fascistic book, The Transfiguration of Romania and in letters to his friends, he called for three quarters of the nation’s population to be exterminated.” The abomination of having been born had only one cure for him: suicide and he made a suicide pact with his companion but he did not keep his word. Perhaps because he was a gourmet and had an abiding attachment to a parfait well made.
    This however does not take anything away from the elegance and acuity of his aphorisms, veritable fleurs du mal he chiseled to perfection in a language not his own (and not even his first foreign language).
    The only solace I find in them about the darkness of today is this: "‘Nous somme tous au fond d’un enfer dont chaque instant est un miracle.’

    Replies: @Seraphim, @Guillaume Durocher

    Where does Cioran call for extermination 3/4 Romanians? Cioran is a manic depressive, oscillating between a deathly lucidity and vitalist exhortations.. between Buddha and Führer..

    • Replies: @ariadna
    @Guillaume Durocher

    See Seraphim #53.

  • @PetrOldSack
    Meaningful detour to explain one´s own impressions of what Europe stands for. A visionary glance that soothes one´s own sensory of Euro history. Great dig of the author Durocher.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Thank you sir!

  • @AaronB
    Excellent essay.

    For a while now, I have been explaining to the good commenters on Unz that European pessimism and decline was already in a highly advanced state among the intellectual elite in the 19th century. In their view, the West was as healthy, optimistic, and vibrant as ever until Jews suddenly appeared on the scene after 1950 and convinced the White intellectual elite to turn against Eutopean civilization.

    I agree with Valery that the defining trait of European man that has given him such an interesting history is his restlessness and discontent; in a word, his unhappiness.

    In my youth I admired European achievements and progress. But I now see it was all just a mask for a very deep unhappiness.

    These days I am more Taoistic and Buddhistic- all achievement and progress are inherently unsatisfying, and are masks for fear and unhappiness. The man of action is escaping from something. Happiness is not to be found in the relentless pursuit of ptogress - the worship of time, the worship of tomorrow. Happiness is in the now.

    Replies: @Stan, @PetrOldSack, @Kratoklastes, @Amerimutt Golems, @Guillaume Durocher, @El Dato, @Bert

    Thank you for the kind words! Can we be personally happy and leave a healthy biological legacy? I should think so.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Yes, I definitely think we can be happy, if we accept life as it is and stop trying to be other than we are, and dont take ourselves or the world too seriously!

    But this seems to be so far at least, a hard task for humanity. Probably, only individuals at any given time can really do this, although I think some societies can be more influenced by this attitude than others, and more conducive to happiness.

    Please continue with your excellent series on the French moralistes. This "skeptical" philosophic tradition is to my mind the most profound in Europe - Neitzsche thought likewise. It attempts to "see through" life, while the Germans, even pessimists like Schopenhauer, are really at bottom superficially optimistic. And forget about the Anglos....

    Replies: @James O'Meara, @Guillaume Durocher

  • @Agathoklis
    Isn't reading Valery pointless now given the collapse has already occurred in France, Belgium and the UK? It would be better for Mr Durocher to provide areas of France where the natives can retreat and eke out a living away from the new ruling class. How feasible is each area? Can they be self sufficient in the provision of water , food and basic goods? Where can classic French books be stored safely for future generations? How will the native French still hear Berlioz or Debussy? Will the new ruling class allow relations with the outside world? These are the important questions now.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    I am skeptical of such projects. The White Nationalist website Démocratie Participative publicly promotes the plan of “Greater Burgundy” as a White racial enclave within France. Actually, their analysis of French demographics is both lucid and long-term: the cities are lost, nationalists are a minority within an ethnic population that is itself becoming a minority, and life will have to be rebuilt from the countryside, with control of food production playing a critical role.

    However, in the immediate, I am skeptical of any public plans for “nationalist communes.” If these things have any scale and organization, say beyond 20 people, it’s quite likely they will get found out by the security services. Total self-reliance is unrealistic given the standards of living people expect. People’s needs are more prosaic: Do you have a job that lets you support a family? Will this job be kept if you get found out as a 1488er? (Probably not.) So best be discrete.

    Longer term things can change of course as the demographic and subcultural situation further polarizes and radicalizes.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Honestly, we've been fucked over so well and truly by The Economist/political establishment, that we have to accept our fate and defeat - as hard as this sounds.

    Personally, I'm happy of the fact that I am childless and approaching the autumn of my life. Bringing my kin into this Economist run world is, to me, the ultimate act of evil.

    As I mentioned on another thread, the only hope, a forlorn one at that, of the white race is to form a respectful cohabitation with the Chinese masters of the future.

    Sorry to depress you all, but I really, truly, honestly can't see another way out of this political/Economist created cataclysm.

    , @Agathoklis
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Guillaume, I am actually thinking of the Druze in Syria/Lebanon, the Alawites in Syria, the Zoroastrians in Yazd or Yezidi in Nineveh. Over the centuries, the authorities seemed to have tolerated them as long as they stayed in their mountain refuges or isolated desert communities. Of course, there was the occasional massacre or mass rape by an over-zealous Caliph or Pasha but generally they were left alone. Granted, this perhaps not feasible in the modern age.

  • In the absence of official statistics, observers interested in the ethno-religious changes of France society must resort to creative methods. One such method is to use the French statistical agency’s (INSEE) annual database of first names given to newborns. Using this data, the French identitarian news aggregator Fdesouche has charted the dramatic growth of newborns...
  • @Adûnâi
    @Guillaume Durocher

    An amazing article! I wish to live to the 2040s to see this future come into being!

    Have you noticed that the term Eurabia has fallen out of use?
    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F02m17s

    My geographical vision of that time:
    https://i.postimg.cc/2C9wkNtn/The-World-in-2100-CE-by-Ad-n-i-2.png
    The Crusaders of tomorrow are the warriors of Tawheed eager to wrestle Jerusalem out of Shia hands. Only the might of the Turkish and Aryan Empires is the guarantor of peace.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Love the creativity, shared.

  • As the judicial persecution of French dissidents intensifies, it is becoming more difficult to keep track of even the most punitive measures. Thus, I only recently learned that the French civic nationalist and publisher Alain Soral was sentenced last month to pay €134,400 ($158,500) to the International League Against Racism and Anti-Semitism (LICRA), the French...
  • @anon
    Alain Soral should move to a country that he can publish his books legally and still be a pain in the side of the zionists. Perhaps Iran would be a good place to go. Probably lots of places with a good climate and a lot safer than France, crimewise.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Soral is now legally resident in Switzerland however he seems to still live in France. Many French patriots are now émigrés: Vincent Reynouard in England, Boris Le Lay in Japan, Daniel Conversano in Romania..

  • In the absence of official statistics, observers interested in the ethno-religious changes of France society must resort to creative methods. One such method is to use the French statistical agency’s (INSEE) annual database of first names given to newborns. Using this data, the French identitarian news aggregator Fdesouche has charted the dramatic growth of newborns...
  • @Achmed E. Newman
    There was always an excuse to bring these groups of culturally-foreign people into the country in the first place. For European nations it was it's only right that the let in the people from their former colonies due to guilt. For America, it's that we've been bombing them over there so we won't be fighting 'em over here, except now we need to invite them over here, cause we've been bombing their families to install democracy, but I don't see any reason they should be mad at us ... or something.

    I'm curious, Mr. Durocher, if you have read Michel Houellebecq's novel Submission, reviewed by Peak Stupidity last year. My take was that the protagonist of the book, a literature professor, was pretty OK with Islam, once he realized it meant he could get the hot young chicks without any stigma attached. Is that a reason to give up your whole country, though? It'd be cheaper and better to just include semi-yearly free vouchers for Oriental sex tours for male residents, as part of the welfare state... seems eminently fair anyway.

    Replies: @Hrw-500, @Guillaume Durocher, @Dieter Kief, @Talha

    Indeed I have previously reviewed Soumission here: https://counter-currents.com/2015/02/michel-houellebecq-soumission/

    The protagonist is most likely a stand-in for Houellebecq himself. I take it accepting Islam-for-babes as one of the book’s many wry jokes. He also rationalizes polygamy on eugenic grounds.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    @Guillaume Durocher

    An amazing article! I wish to live to the 2040s to see this future come into being!

    Have you noticed that the term Eurabia has fallen out of use?
    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F02m17s

    My geographical vision of that time:
    https://i.postimg.cc/2C9wkNtn/The-World-in-2100-CE-by-Ad-n-i-2.png
    The Crusaders of tomorrow are the warriors of Tawheed eager to wrestle Jerusalem out of Shia hands. Only the might of the Turkish and Aryan Empires is the guarantor of peace.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

  • The French identitarian writer and critic of Jewish power Hervé Ryssen was jailed on 18 September after having been found guilty of hate speech on three occasions. He has exhausted his right to appeal. He faces 17 months in jail and potentially more as he has other trials awaiting him. Ryssen was found guilty of...
  • @lysias
    Would Voltaire now be put in jail in France for things that he said about the Jews?

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Vojkan, @Tom Welsh, @anon

    Yes.

    • Agree: Biff, chris
    • Replies: @Anon
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Well, but they did écrasé l’infâme, didn’t they?

  • I recently had the pleasure of speaking with Fróði Midjord and Andrew Joyce on Edmund Burke’s classic counter-revolutionary text, Reflections on the Revolution in France. I invite you all to have a listen as Burke’s work, in particular his psychological analysis of the Left, has stood the test of time and remains uncannily insightful in...
  • @David of Arizona
    The essence of Burke's wisdom and of conservatism in general:

    Humans are too stupid and too ignorant of human nature and the universe to design a radically new society. Therefore, we must procede slowly, using trial and error to make needed changes. Mistakes must be humbly admitted and reversed.

    All practical people admit this. Even engineers, using the most settled science, are rightly averse to attempting radical new designs for bridges, buildings or complex machines. In the real world, too many unforseen processes and events can bring disaster on an untested design.

    Such humility is not found on the left. When reality contradicts their theories, they deny reality and punish those who state the most obvious facts of nature.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Amerimutt Golems

    Well put!

  • @Anon
    @Lot

    It's not 'ancient regime', it's traditional regime. The French word does not translate as 'ancient'.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Indeed, “ancien régime” means “old” or “former” régime.

  • @Lot
    The problem with both Burke and this article is that, full of criticism of the revolutionaries, there’s not a negative word about the awful ancient regime. Louis might have been a good constitutional monarch of a great nation. But like Charles and James, he made another choice.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Grand Inquisitor, @Anon, @TomSchmidt

    How was the Ancien Régime “awful”? Burke does, in fact, say that it was imperfect and had to be improved upon.

    He says however:
    1) Reform should be gradual and respect existing institutions such as the king, church, aristocracy, and parlements.
    2) The old French monarchy in fact was already something of a mixed régime of checks and balances, witness the king’s inability to get his reforms through the parlements.

    There was some social mobility between the bourgeoisie and the aristocracy, however obviously not as much as the bourgeois would like. It would be interesting to compare such “passing” between European nations, which might explain why England was able to liberalize gradually but France did so brutally.

    • Agree: Pop Warner
    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
    @Guillaume Durocher


    How was the Ancien Régime “awful”?
     
    Considering it ended with the French Revolution, I should say it was pretty awful, or not awful at all, depending on how one regards that event.

    Replies: @John Gruskos

  • @Kouroi
    The strife for justice is rather inherent to all humans, not only something that the Western Man struggles with. In fact, fairness is something more intelligent mammals seem to be angling for as well, and there are many behavioral studies in animals to prove this fact.

    I do like how in all this discussion there is absolutely no mention of the issue of property...private property... I guess it comes without saying that it is sacrosanct and that it supersedes the rights of property held in commons...

    Replies: @paranoid goy, @Malla, @Guillaume Durocher, @sally, @PolarBear

    The other civilizations of the Earth – particularly the Islamic, Hindu, and Sinic – seem to accept the injustices of hierarchy more easily than Westerners, leading to centuries of relative stability (or, for a critic, stagnation).

    In the West, whether in the ancient Greek city-states, the Roman empire, or the whole modern era, there seems to me to be a great deal more questioning of authority and transformations of culture and institutions. The lower classes and Plebs are constantly agitating against the elite, demanding more right, the idealists (Socrates, Luther) condemning a culture or an elite’s failure to adhere to that culture’s ideals. Indeed, the whole notion of citizenship – as against subjecthood – seems uniquely Western (or “Indo-European”).

  • Due to the lack of official ethnic statistics in France, it’s quite difficult to precisely gauge demographic developments. Among newborns, our best proxy up to now has been the testing for sickle-cell disease, a procedure largely limited to populations susceptible to this illness, that is to say those from the Middle East, Africa, India, and...
  • @Tono Bungay
    Pour M. Durocher : Une amie française m’a raconté tout à l’heure d’avoir écouté une interview avec Michel Onfray (sur ThinkerView). Ce type a beaucoup de présence médiatique, comme vous savez, et il dit que l’Europe est dans un état de décadence … et voilà tout. Mon amie est d’accord. Rien à faire. Tout est foutu. Je ne peux me tenir calme en face de cette lâcheté. J’aimerais suggérer que vous écoutiez Onfray et trouver la faille dans son élégante défense de la résignation. Je ne peux pas ; j’en suis trop révolté. Merci.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Joe Levantine

    Je suppose qu’Onfray peut passer à la télé parce que, justement, il ne prône pas la résistance. Que dire de plus ? C’est une sorte de Jordan Peterson à la française et je ne vois pas trop l’intérêt. J’ai tout de même parcouru un de ses livres et je dois admettre que c’est effectivement un homme cultivé.

    • Agree: The Alarmist
    • Replies: @cutler
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Guillaume in your opinion what percentage of France is European/ White ?
    I recall Jean Yves Le Gallou estimating France is 80% European would that be accurate also I read that Michelle Tribalat estimated France at 85% European.

    Also with regards to 3rd generation immigrants would most of them be Europeans ?

    Finally Twitter demographer Cicerone iirc estimated Ethnic French to make up 65% of total births nationwide with Other Europeans another 10%. Any thoughts.

    Thanks

    Replies: @Some Guy

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Pointing out that Onfray is only permitted on television precisely because he preaches passivity instead of resistance is a pretty good refutation.

  • Bad news for southern Europe. It looks like coronavirus will further entrench the European Union’s long-standing disparities between north and south. According to the European Commission’s estimates, the economies of Italy, Spain, and Greece will all shrink over 9%. By comparison, the EU average is 7.4%. France will shrink 8.2%, while most Nordic/Germanic countries will...
  • @Vaterland
    I was going to say "good article", but the conclusion

    In the long run, I am talking 30-40 years, we can expect that northern Europe will become so dysfunctional that people prefer living in southern or eastern Europe. Non-Whites currently make up around 20% of the north-west European population. When this rises to 40 or 50%, we can expect the situation to get very unstable indeed.
     
    is totally absurd. Especially 40% non-white NW Europe is crossing into David Icke territory. This invites crackpot conspiracy theorists. I can't speak for France, which seems demographically worst off, although that has been the case for decades now, but Germany has around 2.4 million Turks - we even have about the same or even slightly more Poles now, depending on which statistic you look at - which are not only immune to islamist terrorism, but would be counted as white in countries like the USA. And we have well below a million S.S. Africans. The refugee crisis of 2015 will remain a singular event, which only brought 400k Syrians into this country anyway. Far left and diversity ideology will remain a threat, but its influence will increasingly shrink through the rise of nativist populism, the EU adapting to it and the rift to the Anglosphere, including the USA, and a greater integration with Russia and China. It takes much longer than many had hoped, but it's happening. And none of the conditions we have would even remotely suggest an actual "collapse" or "total dysfunction" of our nation. Or a future great attraction to Southern Europe, let alone Eastern Europe.

    Europe will generally continue its path of further integration, fortunately and without a real alternative in the age of global empires, become a supra-national union. The damage which nationalistic chauvinism has done to the continent and cost us our world leadership in both World Wars is behind us and both Brexit and Trump were striking examples against such tendencies. And Bolsonaro. There will be economic and demographic concentration in one spot or another like there is in the USA, but further harmonization will increasingly smooth things out. And the political chaos, debt and somewhat dysfunctional system in Italy is nothing new at all. More business as usual.

    It's a better time for Pan-European thinking peoples now who see a common destiny for the European people as a whole, a not so good time for national chauvinists. And that's a good thing. Anyone who undermines European solidarity and integration was, is and will remain a useful idiot of Europe's enemies.

    Replies: @Oliver Elkington, @Che Guava, @Z-man, @Anonymous, @Guillaume Durocher

    I beg you look at the data. Mainstream estimates suggest the U.S. will become majority non-White in the 2040s, Great Britain in the 2060s, and presumably the rest of north-west Europe around the same time.

    And indigenous Europeans will make up the *older* and less fertile half of that population..

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
    @Guillaume Durocher

    That's what they in the 1990's about 2020. Anyways Europeans have a history of genocide and ethnic cleansing remember?

    We do.

    Replies: @Anonymous

  • Results of second round of French municipal elections in selected cities. Image credit: Visactu. Under the shadow of coronavirus, the French people people have elected their mayors and local councilors for the next six years. Well, some of them did, as a vast wave of apathy swept the nation, leading to a turnout of just...
  • @Calvin Hobbes
    OT question:
    Are the French not creeped out by the weird Macron marriage? She was his high school teacher, married with 3 children (one a classmate of Macron) and 25 years older. Many people are creeped out by Woody Allen's marriage, but I think Macron's marriage is much weirder.

    Is Macron gay, so that he doesn't care about his wife being an ancient crone as long as he's getting it in the butt from his bodyguards?

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Quite possibly, yes. He once defended himself from accusations that he had unduly promoted and protected his security guard Alexandre Benalla – who was filmed manhandling protesters – saying: “He’s not my lover!” He also has a few cokehead mannerisms, as did the head of Sciences Po Richard Descoings – another very “switched on”/globalist figure – before being found dead in a Manhattan hotel, after having been drugged up and frequented two male prostitutes.

    • Replies: @Swarthy Greek
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Selon Juan Branco (ex-collaborateur de Descoings, c'est lui qui avait révélé l'homosexualité de Gabriel Attal il y a deux ans) , Brigitte Macron aurait, en 2016, payé Mimi Marchand, la paparazzi en chef de Xavier Niel, pour vérifier si son mari était homosexuel. Elle n'aurait trouvé aucune preuve accablante. À mon avis, il est très probable que Macron soit un homosexuel réprimé, et que Brigitte lui serve de figure maternelle.

    , @Buck Ransom
    @Guillaume Durocher

    If I remember correctly, Brigitte was Macron's drama teacher when he was a young lad in high school and she probably still coaches him on his stage and television appearances today.

    Beyond all that, doesn't Brigitte's family have money and important connections -- attributes that have been very useful throughout Macron's rise from high school thespian to Rothschild banker to president of the French Republic?

    Replies: @Alfred

    , @Leon Haller
    @Guillaume Durocher

    But wouldn't being gay have been a political plus for Macron? He was never a man of the Right (as far as I've read). Why hide?

    Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki

  • Bad news for southern Europe. It looks like coronavirus will further entrench the European Union’s long-standing disparities between north and south. According to the European Commission’s estimates, the economies of Italy, Spain, and Greece will all shrink over 9%. By comparison, the EU average is 7.4%. France will shrink 8.2%, while most Nordic/Germanic countries will...
  • @Baxter
    I’m going to ask a question. If anybody knows the answer I’d like to hear it. The question is this.
    Is the welfare system in the European Union part of one big system, or is it different for each country. By that I mean is the money from Swedish or German tax payers going into a giant fund serving all the countries in the E.U? Or are the welfare systems different and separated by country?

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Ali Choudhury, @Billkills, @Welfare systems

    These are all separate. EU social legislation amounts to trying to “harmonize” common standards and give European citizens access to the other nations’ systems (if they they work). There is no welfare redistribution, though there is some (macroeconomically modest) redistribution for the EU budget, mostly for farming subsidies and regional development for poorer territories.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Would you please repair the one great omission I see in your analysis.

    You say nothing of the voting power of immigrants and their children and grandchildren. Nor is the time it takes to become a citizen and any qualifications required. The Gulf States aren't threatened by their imported labour forces. Why should democracy open themselves up to change by fertility or ease of becoming voting citizens.

    After WW2 Australia made citizenship ridiculously easy to obtain but got away with it and it's selective immigration seems to be continuing its luck.

    My formula would be to require 10 or 15 years of net taxpaying and English language proficiency before Anyone in a family became a full citizen with the vote.. indeed my solution to Israel's problem with over fertile Palestinians is to include them in a single state but create a powerful sencond chamber of the Knesset for which only met taxpayers of 15 years standing could vote. That should put the problem off for 100 years.

  • @James N. Kennett

    Italy has strong prospects for decisively flipping to a national-populist regime in the coming years and joining the ranks of Visegrád. (I am less optimistic for France.)
     
    A lot depends on the 2022 presidential election. Can Marine Le Pen win this time?

    All it needs is one Western European country to end mass immigration from the Third World. The "liberal" predictions are either that such a country would collapse, or its citizens would start building gas chambers. When these grim outcomes fail to materialise, the entire Western world will realise that we have been told lies, and will choose more sensible immigration policies.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Probably not, really. (And I say that as someone who thought both Brexit and Trump were possible.)

    • Replies: @Z-man
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Yes, La Pen is a flawed and inferior standard barer. France needs a Salvini or even a Meloni type. Both have more carisma and political skills than La Pen.

  • In the great capitals of Western Europe, thousands of people have been protesting against the death of George Floyd and in support of the Black Lives Matter movement. In the Netherlands: In Copenhagen: And in front of the U.S. Embassy in Berlin: There is a long history of Europeans shaming Americans for mistreating Negroes. For...
  • @Priss Factor
    Talk about lack of self-awareness.

    The top two themes of US globalist imperialism is Black Supremacism and Globo-Homo, but Koreans who oppose US Imperialism are promoting black supremacy and globo-homo.

    https://twitter.com/reclaimkorea/status/1268268464092983297

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @gsjackson, @suicidal_canadian

    Ugh.

  • France and Germany recently agreed in principle to create a €500 billion three-year fund to relaunch the European economy after the coronavirus crisis. This would be funded by the EU raising funds on financial markets and then using these to invest in those countries and sectors worst-hit by the crisis. This represents a great leap...
  • @Dieter Kief
    @Guillaume Durocher

    L'allemangne Disparait - Deutschland schafft sich ab (= Germany Does Away with Itself, Steve Sailer) has been translated in French, you're right. But the one I spoke about: Germany Doesn't Need the Euro - no. And there are no other translations of any of his numerous books - all of them great.

    - The German publisher DVA, owned by the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, is ashamed of its - by far! - most successful author - that might explain this translation-failure at least in part. There is nobody working in that direction.

    I'm sure, his books will be translated though, just because there's nobody around who would be as good in analyzing the economy (and society, and politics) of modern-day Europe (and Germany - and Angela Merkel (best essay about Merkel I've come across so far - by Thilo Sarrazin in: Angela Merkel - Eine kritische Bilanz, hrsg. von Phlipp Plickert, München 2017).

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    A shame we are so disconnected from much of the German discourse!

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Usually, I don't care. I have mostly given up explaining Jean Paul to the world or Wilhelm Busch, or Johan Jacob Christoffel von Grimmelshausen. But in the case of Thilo Sarrazin, there is something happening here, and I don't know what it is. I'm baffled and - curious.

    You find quite a few articles about an - interesting, ok - author like Jean-Claude Michéa in the German press by Jürg Alwegg in the FAZ and Martina Meister in die weLT for example. The Berlin press revue Perlentaucher wrote about him in April. His latest book has been translated in German and has been published by Matthes & Seitz, no nobody in the German public. - Whereas a writer like Thilo Sarrazin goes almost completely unnoticed in France with one of his five rather brilliant books translated (none of them in English or any other language I'd know of with the one exception of his first book being translated in French. I could name you quite easily a dozen French writers on politics, who are vividly discussed in Germany - the same for the English speaking world of course, - which is something different altogether, ok).

    Thilo Sarrazin is the most interesting German writer on politics and economics in the last ten or so years, and he did get across to a huge audience - so this should spark some interest - but it hardly does. As I said: I'm curious, I would really like to understand what is going on here.

    Replies: @German_reader

  • @Dieter Kief
    Matteo Salvini is all in for EU-transfer-money. Marine Le Pen, head of the Rassemblement National in France is analytically not (yet?) up to the task to understand the EU financial dynamics and policies.
    The big EU-idea is that state-debt is less toxic than it was since negative interest rates balance it always out at practically no cost. - Thing is: Those hurt most by this policy (regular folks in Germany and Austria, for example, who are saving some money for hard times or to build a house etc.) - those regular folks are still doing way better in Austria and Germany than they do in Spain or in Italy. Best analysis of the whole conundrum I've come across is Thilo Sarrazin's Euro-sceptic book "Deutschland braucht den Euro nicht" (Germany does not need the Euro).

    It says a  lot about the European discourse on these basic and quite important subjects, that Sarrazins book is not even translated. Whereas old leftist jack-o-lanterns like Thomas Piketty are discussed worldwide.

    Btw. -Nassim Nicholas Taleb did a good job in analyzing the weaknesses of the European financial policy - there is a quite informative interview with him online with Swiss Television - especially interesting section starting at 18:30 minutes inhttps://www.srf.ch/play/tv/sternstunde-philosophie/video/nassim-taleb---der-mit-dem-schwarzen-schwan-tanzt?id=6d03b632-38e5-4445-9073-b3b3c93605a9

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Sarrazin’s book has been translated in French, as has David Engels’ Le Déclin.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    @Guillaume Durocher

    L'allemangne Disparait - Deutschland schafft sich ab (= Germany Does Away with Itself, Steve Sailer) has been translated in French, you're right. But the one I spoke about: Germany Doesn't Need the Euro - no. And there are no other translations of any of his numerous books - all of them great.

    - The German publisher DVA, owned by the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, is ashamed of its - by far! - most successful author - that might explain this translation-failure at least in part. There is nobody working in that direction.

    I'm sure, his books will be translated though, just because there's nobody around who would be as good in analyzing the economy (and society, and politics) of modern-day Europe (and Germany - and Angela Merkel (best essay about Merkel I've come across so far - by Thilo Sarrazin in: Angela Merkel - Eine kritische Bilanz, hrsg. von Phlipp Plickert, München 2017).

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

  • Alain Peyrefitte, a former minister and close collaborator of Charles de Gaulle, meticulously maintained notebooks in which he recorded his many meetings with the great French president. The recordings are gathered in his monumental memoirs, C’était de Gaulle (“That Was De Gaulle”), stretching out to over 1800 pages of sayings and discussions. The work thus...
  • @Bartolo
    Re Zemmour: Yes, he actually criticises Jewish shenanigans (although not with the intensity and obsessive one-mindedness of a Soral or a Bourbon) and has been opposing immigration for a very long time, which makes the accusations against him all the more unfair.

    Re Soral: Exactly. Marxists/communists often offer great critiques, but their practical proposals are almost invariably hare-brained. Or maybe colibri-brained, in this case. But one has to admit that Soral is extremely entertaining to listen to.

    Replies: @Sean, @Guillaume Durocher

    Agreed!

  • @Bartolo
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Here is a very interesting article by a very brilliant guy I didn´t even know about. It´s about two different conceptions of universalism and their radically different consequences. It was written in response to a comment by Eric Zemmour on the topic. I am sure you will find it interesting:

    http://www.autochtonisme.com/2020/01/la-france-et-l-universel-une-reponse-a-eric-zemmour.html

    Comme bonus, voilà un article très intéressant du même type sur le Katechon, les cosmogonies des différentes religions, etc:
    http://www.autochtonisme.com/2019/02/effondrement-civilisationnel-et-katechon.html

    Also, it would be interesting to see your thoughts on the controversy Soral-Zemmour. Many claim (Jérôme Bourbon, for instance) that Zemmour is just a zionist agent and even that he´s as thick as thieves with BHL (!). I strongly tend to think that Zemmour is sincere. I know, this is too "franco-français". But one of the main subjects of the Unz Review is Jewish Power, so why not write about that?
    Also, I think it´s terrible that Soral seems to have resigned himself to massive afro-muslim presence in France. In his view, all we have to do is get rid of Jewish Power (les fauteurs de guerre), and the Muslim and Christian French (!) children of Abraham will live a paradise of vivre-tous-ensemble characterised, you guessed it, by "equality and reconciliation". I normally agree with or at least can see where Alain Soral is coming from. But this is so retarded and incoherent that it lends credence (at least superficially) to claims that he is some kind of Iranian (?) agent of influence (all the more likely if we consider that the man barely has any money and the French state takes every penny he earns to give it to Jewish organisations). He made very revealing comments in response to a question by a listener in Soral répond. The said listener brought up the question of the great replacement and possible violence down the line. But Soral immediately avoided the question (after saying that, yes, migration had been a great mistake and that Mélenchon would have to stop it if he were serious about the social question) and started attacking the Jews (of course), going so far as to say that bringing up the question of migration was useful in Le Pen´s time (because it was "preventive"), but not now (you see, once you have millions of foreigners in France, it´s too late, and complaining about it turns you into a fauteur de guerre like Zemmour). With him, it´s all about thwarting the Jews, with the interest of France coming in at a distant second place.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Very interesting.

    I cannot judge Zemmour myself. He doesn’t exactly claim to be a rebel (like Soral) and much of what he says is very relevant. He covers the misdeeds of Jewish lobbying organizations in Le Suicide français but does not talk about it much (at all?) on audiovisual media.

    Soral is a NazBol punk . . . This makes him very independent and courageous, hence willing to cover issues (like Jewish-Zionist power) which others flinch from. Like many Marxists, his critiques are often very incisive and cogent. That doesn’t mean his counter-proposals are always very credible . . .

  • @Anonymous
    So, the French of the late 19th century were told to disregard their Germanic heritage and to accentuate their Celtic roots.

    Surely, the whole concept of 'France' - the language, the laws, the culture, the structure etc, owes more to ancient Rome than to anyone else.

    So, why has the Italian contribution to France - we must remember that large portions of southern France are really Italian by culture and ethnicity - been entirely ignored and deliberately downplayed by generations of French leaders?

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Kratoklastes

    The French are famously proud of their (Latin-based) language and acknowledge the Roman heritage. They do not consider themselves heirs to the modern-day Italians though.. much as we appreciate them. A sliver of southeast France, including Nice and Corsica (which also has its own identity), are formerly Italian. The bulk of southern France spoke quite different Latin-based dialects: Occitan, including Catalan and Provençal.

    The latter was exterminated during France’s consolidation as a nation-state in the modern era. Ezra Pound waxed lyrical about medieval Provençal ballads and poetry and indeed, as a kind of intermediary between French and Italian, it is quite beautiful. e.g.:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Surely, the greatest ever son of Gallia - Napoleon - was an Italian man.

    , @Diversity Heretic
    @Guillaume Durocher

    You forgot to include Breton, which is enjoying a resurgence of interest in France's Brittany. My wife's late father spoke fluent Breton.

  • @anon
    There's that funny meme about Hitler on a cloud laughing while Stalin is shocked at what the modern left has become (LGBTQ etc.)...someone should do the same about Hitler and De Gaulle. Would actually be even more appropriate, since Hitler predicted that France would eventually become a nigger state. He was fairly prescient in that at least.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Cyrano, @Just Passing Through, @Svevlad

    Very true.

    I shat a proverbial brick when I learned that one of De Gaulle’s first policies in newly-liberated France was instituting a MORE NORDIC IMMIGRATION POLICY!

    • Replies: @Bartolo
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Here is a very interesting article by a very brilliant guy I didn´t even know about. It´s about two different conceptions of universalism and their radically different consequences. It was written in response to a comment by Eric Zemmour on the topic. I am sure you will find it interesting:

    http://www.autochtonisme.com/2020/01/la-france-et-l-universel-une-reponse-a-eric-zemmour.html

    Comme bonus, voilà un article très intéressant du même type sur le Katechon, les cosmogonies des différentes religions, etc:
    http://www.autochtonisme.com/2019/02/effondrement-civilisationnel-et-katechon.html

    Also, it would be interesting to see your thoughts on the controversy Soral-Zemmour. Many claim (Jérôme Bourbon, for instance) that Zemmour is just a zionist agent and even that he´s as thick as thieves with BHL (!). I strongly tend to think that Zemmour is sincere. I know, this is too "franco-français". But one of the main subjects of the Unz Review is Jewish Power, so why not write about that?
    Also, I think it´s terrible that Soral seems to have resigned himself to massive afro-muslim presence in France. In his view, all we have to do is get rid of Jewish Power (les fauteurs de guerre), and the Muslim and Christian French (!) children of Abraham will live a paradise of vivre-tous-ensemble characterised, you guessed it, by "equality and reconciliation". I normally agree with or at least can see where Alain Soral is coming from. But this is so retarded and incoherent that it lends credence (at least superficially) to claims that he is some kind of Iranian (?) agent of influence (all the more likely if we consider that the man barely has any money and the French state takes every penny he earns to give it to Jewish organisations). He made very revealing comments in response to a question by a listener in Soral répond. The said listener brought up the question of the great replacement and possible violence down the line. But Soral immediately avoided the question (after saying that, yes, migration had been a great mistake and that Mélenchon would have to stop it if he were serious about the social question) and started attacking the Jews (of course), going so far as to say that bringing up the question of migration was useful in Le Pen´s time (because it was "preventive"), but not now (you see, once you have millions of foreigners in France, it´s too late, and complaining about it turns you into a fauteur de guerre like Zemmour). With him, it´s all about thwarting the Jews, with the interest of France coming in at a distant second place.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

  • I recently had the pleasure of participating in a podcast with Fróði Midjord discussing the classic 1966 film by Italian director Gillo Pentecorvo, The Battle of Algiers. This was part of Guide to Kulchur’s excellent “Decameron Film Festival,” which is taking advantage of confinement to interview a range of prestigious speakers, from Jared Taylor to...
  • @LondonBob
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Civilisation was diffused from Mesopotamia, as each peoples acquired that learning they displaced the previous dominant culture. So Greeks supplanted the Levantines, the Romans them and then the Germans and Nordics after that. Early on, due to the climate, survival was the priority for the Northern peoples, however technological advances enabled a more diversified lifestyle in due course. Warmer climates are now doing better as air conditioning makes productive enterprise possible.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Anon

    Sounds like a plausible part of the answer.

  • @Bardon Kaldian
    My opinion is that Gilo Pontecorvo was a bit of a hypocrite. The premise of the film is: European settlers are oppressing the natives, who are "the people"- so, at the end, natives are right because, after all, it's their land.

    Just- and Pontecorvo was Jewish: this is virtually the same with Jews & Arabs in Israel. I don't know whether he denounced the very existence of Jewish Israel- I doubt it.

    Don't get me wrong- I am not against settlers (French, Israeli Jews). Arabs are history's backwater (forget about the Golden Age, it was long ago). What was realistically possible was a partition of Algeria, as is was the case with Israel & Palestine. That would have created enough tension between the French and the Arabs, leading to permanent war (as is the case with Israel) & thus prevent Arabs & other Muslims to migrate into France.

    You just cannot reason with Muslims & Africans. You have to keep them at distance. Let them have a nice life in their own historic lands- and stay there. Otherwise, nasty things will happen...

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @DinoN

    I had not realized Pontecorvo was Jewish. Thanks for the information!

    • Replies: @glib
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Guillaume, Italian Jews have most often the name of the city they come from (Pontecorvo is in SE Lazio). Many of them are named Ferrara or Ferrari, as Ferrara was the center of Jewish life in the 1500 (they abandoned the city after the 1574 earthquake). Others have their family name ending in certain ways.

    Tangential to all this, in 1992 I had the pleasure and honor to have dinner with the brother, Bruno Pontecorvo. He was already very weak from Parkinson, and needed assistance to move around. Nevertheless, he spoke at length, with barely audible voice, perhaps due to my evident interest.

    Brief summary of what Bruno did: a Fermi student, he started lines of neutrino research that led to four Nobel prizes (actually more, as some were awarded to more than one person). But in 1948 he defected to the USSR where he participated in the program that led to the soviet atom bomb. Needless to say, he never was awarded a Nobel he easily deserved (in the same discussion, he mentioned in passing that Fermi should have won 8, and Occhialini, 2).

    But we also touched on other subjects, including the 1948 defection, and his cultural origins. I have no doubt that the family is/was communist first, and Jewish second. By 1992, he also admitted that he had become disillusioned with the USSR sometime in the 1970, but still had beliefs of how a society should be organized. Iris representation of what Gillo did is very much on target. The whole film is the product of an ideology that regards colonialism as the original sin. It does use true facts and prioritizes them over other facts.

    Replies: @Iris

  • @Tusk
    @Iris

    Thanks for the correction. It's simply a quote I read a while ago that it liked that I thought was on topic, so your deranged ranting about the alt-right is simply embarassing. I have always interpreted it as he prefers his mother to justice, at the same time he would prefer his mother to Algeria.

    Replies: @Iris, @Guillaume Durocher

    Camus never supported an independent Algeria. He also wanted peace and a non-colonial regime, which understandably led radical leftists to consider him a wet.

    • Thanks: Tusk
  • @obwandiyag
    It wasn't a fucking race war. How ridiculous. It was a separation of a colony from the mother country. Which is exactly, precisely, indubitably what the mis-named "American Revolution" was.

    Replies: @songbird, @Guillaume Durocher, @Anonymous

    The pieds-noirs were the equivalent of the American colonists. The Algerians are the Amerindians in this comparison, people who, if memory serves, were annihilated by the Americans.

    • Replies: @Alden
    @Guillaume Durocher

    The American Indians were not annihilated by the Whites. Their population has tripled in the last 300 years. Several Indian autonomous territories known as reservations are larger than France. The tribal governments are supported by the federal government. As individuals each Indian gets a government check every month. It’s not considered welfare. It’s something like a perpetual hereditary mortgage payment for the lands taken by the American government from their tribe since 1790. They are both American citizens and tribal members.

    They’re all over the country. For instance, there are 12 tribal autonomous territories Reservations in New York State, within a short drive from America’s largest city.

    Replies: @Anonymous, @anonymous

  • @Agathoklis
    @Guillaume Durocher

    But there is little genetic overlap. It is ironic how the latest genetic research is upending Nordicist infantile fantasies often peddled by people like you, Guillaume. For example, we now know with a high level of confidence that modern Greeks are actually more northern than ancient Greeks due to probably some Slavic intrusion 1400-1200 years ago. The ancient's skin were probably a little darker and definitely had mostly black/brown eyes and hair based on ancientDNA samples.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Malla

    That’s very interesting. It leaves open the question of why modern Greeks – who behave very much like an intermediate population between Europeans and Mideasterners (with their clannishness and corruption) – have proven so much less gifted than their illustrious predecessors.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Likewise, you could say some similar things about the modern French. Their achievements are Islamic mass migration, homosexuality, smoking, French 'philosophy', homosexuality, pederasty, record breaking Smurf festivals, homosexuality, homosexuality; and guess what, homosexaulity.

    The Alt-Right will never achieve anything when their so called writers/thinkers like Durocher peddle Nordicist theories that are easily refuted by science.

    Replies: @anon, @dimples, @Dave Bowman

    , @LondonBob
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Civilisation was diffused from Mesopotamia, as each peoples acquired that learning they displaced the previous dominant culture. So Greeks supplanted the Levantines, the Romans them and then the Germans and Nordics after that. Early on, due to the climate, survival was the priority for the Northern peoples, however technological advances enabled a more diversified lifestyle in due course. Warmer climates are now doing better as air conditioning makes productive enterprise possible.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Anon

  • @songbird
    Another curious part of the conflict was how young women who looked French were used to smuggle and plant bombs, near women and children who actually were French.

    Exactly from where they derived their ancestry is an interesting question with many possibilities. If any are alive today, it would be fascinating to track them down and give them a DNA test. One explanation of their lighter phenotype might be white slavery, but, of course, there are other possible explanations.

    Whatever the answer is, I think it weighs heavily on the often obnoxious question: who is white? This question can be answered easily - you need the phenotype, the culture, and the self-identification to be white. Swedes who think that anyone who isn't a sub-Saharan is white are deeply deluded. Similarly, people who think Chechens are white are deeply foolish. I wouldn't call Turks white either. And I don't believe Bosniaks can be trusted not to twist the diversity knife for their own benefit.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @eggplant

    There’s plenty of phenotypic overlap between inhabitants of the Mediterranean’s southern and northern shores.

    • Agree: Niebelheim
    • Replies: @Agathoklis
    @Guillaume Durocher

    But there is little genetic overlap. It is ironic how the latest genetic research is upending Nordicist infantile fantasies often peddled by people like you, Guillaume. For example, we now know with a high level of confidence that modern Greeks are actually more northern than ancient Greeks due to probably some Slavic intrusion 1400-1200 years ago. The ancient's skin were probably a little darker and definitely had mostly black/brown eyes and hair based on ancientDNA samples.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Malla

  • @Colin Wright
    While I think Battle of Algiers is a brilliant film, it is not ' straight, balanced, and brutally honest.'

    Most egregiously, in the opening act of the 'battle,' the Arab guerrillas are portrayed as attacking only soldiers and police. In fact, see Alister Horne's classic history of the conflict, A Savage War of Peace: the guerrillas began by indiscriminately shooting any European male. I suppose they should get some credit for not shooting women and children as well, but...

    Then too, the bombing in the Rue Thebes, if I recall the name aright, is unequivocally shown as being carried out by the police. That's possible, but in fact, no one ever did figure out who perpetrated that attack. Obviously, someone did, but it remains a genuine mystery. This portrayal of the police as the definite perpetrators serves a purpose: the subsequent Arab bomb outrages become justified retaliation.

    This is part of the problem with the 'documentary' style. One uncritically accepts what one is being shown as 'fact.' If the whole thing was a polished color film, with developed characters with home lives, etc, one would take the portrayal offered with a grain of salt: we know Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid existed, but no one would be shocked to learn that their characters and careers weren't precisely as shown in the the Robert Redford/Paul Newman vehicle.

    Not so with Battle of Algiers. It's assumed that this is how things were: the film is in black and white, shot in a documentary style: it is, therefore, 'straight, balanced, and brutally honest.'

    No it's not. It's a good movie, but it has a pronounced and obvious bias, and it freely alters the facts to give that bias an aura of truth.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Iris, @hhsiii

    Thank you for these clarifications!

  • @songbird
    Wasn't de Gaulle just talking out of both sides of his mouth? Didn't he preside over the invasion of France in its early and most easily avoidable stage, when there was the proof of Algiers to know better? Wasn't he just like Merkel saying multiculturalism has failed and then importing a horde?

    I read the book My Battle of Algiers a number of years ago. I thought it was interesting because I wasn't very familiar with conflict. One point that the author made is that, contrary to many people's emotional claims, torture works. Often just the threat of it is enough to get the type of people who tend to be involved in bombing to talk. If you get an address, then you can test it with surveillance. I suspect that terrorism also works, though nobody is willing to admit it either.

    One thing I've always wondered about the French colonies in North Africa is how much the Jews were involved and how many came to France afterward, having never been there before the colonies, or before the conflict with the Arabs. And also how much were they involved in the continued invasion process. I believe the propaganda film The Intouchables which romanticizes black Africans in France was created by Jews who arrived via the colonies. The film was just a rip-off of Driving Miss Daisy, but it was so wonderfully pozzed that Hollywood fell in love with it and did a remake.

    Replies: @anon, @Guillaume Durocher, @JEANNOT

    Indeed. He did not, as far as I am aware, take measures to prevent further Afro-Islamic immigration to France.

    The film is quite clear that terrorism and torture both work.

    The 35,000 Jews of Algeria were made into French citizens through their co-ethnics’ lobbying by the Décret Crémieux of 1870. By 1962, these Jews numbered 200,000 and fled to France along with the Europeans.

    Indeed, the makers of Intouchables are North African Sephardic Jews. Many such cases!

    It must also be said that some of these Jews are “nationalist”: associating France with security and being understandably fearful of the Arabs/Muslims. I met one whose family had fled and, to this day, defended French Algeria and said that the Arabs could have been integrated (. . .). Éric Zemmour, the most “nationalist” pundit allowed on French television and who often says interesting things, is also of Algerian Jewish origin, his parents having come to France during the war.

    • Thanks: songbird
  • People are now planting bombs in the tramways of Algiers. My mother might be on one of those tramways. If that is justice, then I prefer my mother.
    – Camus, 1957.

    • Agree: Niebelheim, AceDeuce
    • Thanks: Guillaume Durocher
    • Replies: @Iris
    @Tusk

    This quotation is wrong and translated incorrectly (as per the very late (1997) version of a Swedish speaker).

    During a press conference at Stockholm in 1957, Albert Camus was questioned in public by an Arab Algerian student, who asked why the illustre author was not denouncing the large scale institutionalised torture that was taking place in Algiers at the time, and later object of the film "The Battle of Algiers".

    Camus, instead of justifying the crimes of the colonial system, which of course he did NOT support, replied verbally, witnessed at the time by French-speaking journalist Dominique Birman who was accompanying him and reported straightaway in leading newspaper "Le Monde". The quote is still available in this newspapers' archives.

    https://dicocitations.lemonde.fr/citations/citation-162951.php


    « J’ai toujours condamné la terreur. Je dois condamner aussi un terrorisme qui s’exerce aveuglément, dans les rues d’Alger par exemple, et qui un jour peut frapper ma mère ou ma famille. Je crois à la justice, mais je défendrai ma mère avant la justice. »
     
    "I have always condemned terror. I must also condemn a terrorism that exerts itself blindly, in the streets of Algiers, and which could someday hit my mother or my family. I believe in Justice, but I would defend my mother before Justice".

    Camus is saying two things:
    - that he always condemned terror but ... thus unequivocally and clearly condemning the initial French terror attack in Algiers ' "Rue de Thebes", which took 70+ lives and countless wounded, and to which Algerian FLN terrorism only replied.

    - that the Algerian insurrection is morally "Justice", his own words.

    It is very little reported, but Albert Camus actually attempted to stop the war and reconcile the French and Arab communities by launching his 1956 appeal for a Civil Ceasefire.

    He tried to explain the content of his pacifist appeal in conference held in downtown Algiers. His pacifist initiative was supported by the Algerian Independence party (FLN), who sent delegates in support.. He was met by the French OAS settlers who tried to lynch him.

    This facts were reported by equally famous and fellow French Algerian author Emmanuel Robles, who was a witness accompanying Albert Camus all along the events. ( In Robles' books "Les rives du fleuve bleu" and "Camus, frère de soleil")

    https://histoirecoloniale.net/Albert-Camus-en-Algerie-la-treve.html

    So Albert Camus was NOT the colonialist supporter some blinded losers want him to be.

    Your comment is a good illustration of the sad state of the so-called Alt-Right, which neither is able to produce a valid ideology, nor even capable of understanding that produced by others.

    Replies: @Tusk

  • @anno nimus
    monsieur,

    you reminded me the work of fiction, the jackal, which might be based on true story.
    may i ask you,
    i. could the french have remained in independent, muslim-ruled algeria like boers of SA? would they have if they could? why not?
    ii. immigration to france/europe is normally explained by need of labor to rebuild ww2 destruction. is this true? after work visa expires, how did the workers turn into immigrants?
    iii. if the French abandon the Church, will not another sect or cult fill the void? can't you see you are personally assisting such outcome?

    De Gaulle was certainly a wise man for bringing his people home. in the end, colonialism turned out to be terrible to the colonists too who invade and invite.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    i. could the french have remained in independent, muslim-ruled algeria like boers of SA? would they have if they could? why not?

    In principle, yes, albeit in a highly insecure position. As things happened, there was far too much bad blood between the French and the Algerians by 1962. The Europeans realized by then their alternative was “the suitcase or the coffin.”

    ii. immigration to france/europe is normally explained by need of labor to rebuild ww2 destruction. is this true? after work visa expires, how did the workers turn into immigrants?

    Nah. I mean, initially, sure, but then came family reunification via the courts, the left, and the pseudo-patriotic right, etc.

    iii. if the French abandon the Church, will not another sect or cult fill the void? can’t you see you are personally assisting such outcome?

    Indeed.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Guillaume Durocher


    Indeed.
     
    ? What does this mean? Do you intend to replace Christianity and its morality with some other belief system which is more suitable for an ethnonationalist project?
    , @Malla
    @Guillaume Durocher


    As things happened, there was far too much bad blood between the French and the Algerians by 1962. The Europeans realized by then their alternative was “the suitcase or the coffin.”
     
    And why was there bad blood in between the French and natives? Why because that was one of the MAIN AIMS of the FLN terrorists all along. Destroy the relationship in between the two communities.

    https://crc-internet.org/our-doctrine/national-restoration/algerian-war/4-rebellion-accomplices.html

    "The FLN was a movement that came from the Organisation spécial (OS; Special Organisation), the terrorist branch of Messali Hadj’s Marxist movement : the “ Mouvement pour le Triomphe des Libertés Démocratiques ” (MTLD; Movement for the Triumph of Democratic Liberties). Shortly before, in the spring of 1954, twenty-two activists of the OS had decided to split away and chose a directory : the “ Committee of Nine ”. These men proclaimed themselves the historical leaders of the FLN. The Front inherited from the OS its revolutionary character and its method : terror. It always excluded Communists to avoid having to submit to them, but nevertheless it kept their methods and their Marxist dialectic. The FLN also used the ulemas to rouse the peasant masses to fanaticism and to justify the acts of slaughter that they would commit in the name of Islam. Finally, the “ Union Démocratique du Manifeste Algérien ” (UDMA; Democratic Union of the Algerian Manifesto) led by Ferhat Abbas, also contributed to the expansion of the FLN by stirring up the Muslim middle-class and awakening French public opinion to its claims."

    ...snip....

    "THE PHILIPPEVILLE MASSACRE
    For French Muslims, nothing was more unnatural than this bloody rebellion. There is nothing more opposed to historical truth than a massive uprising of the Algerian people against colonial France.

    The FLN leaders could but take note of this strong reluctance that their co-religionists showed towards them. Zighout Youssef, the rebel leader in the area (or wilaya) of North Constantine, a fanatical supporter of jihad, understood that it would be necessary to dig a gulf of blood between Muslims and Europeans so as to create an irreparable situation and to make any rapprochement between the two communities forever impossible. On August 20, 1955, in Philippeville, 51 Muslins and 71 Europeans, the elderly, women and babies included, had their throats slit, were disembowelled or dismembered. And what can be said of the El Hadia slaughter on the same day ? Dreadful... The police intervened but were unable to prevent reprisals by the Europeans, who were tried beyond endurance. 1,273 deaths were registered. Europeans were gripped by fear and Muslims with resentment.

    For the FLN, it was a victory. It then had to enlarge the wound by organising other acts of pillage and slaughter. In May 1957, it had been responsible for 1,800 cases of arson on farms, slitting the throats of or stealing 80,000 head of cattle, and the destruction of 12,000,000 grapevines. The FLN wanted first to kill Europeans and the Muslims whose spirit of justice and qualities of heart were factors that contributed to harmony existing between the communities. This conduct would acquire such an official character that in 1959 Krim Belkacem, who became the FLN’s “ Minister of War ”, declared cynically to journalists : « Assassination is proof of the preparation and the aptitude of new recruits : a new recruit must kill at least one colonialist or known traitor ». Such was the infernal mechanism that the FLN set in motion."

    , @buzzwar
    @Guillaume Durocher

    "The suitcase or the coffin " is a propaganda slogan initiated by the terrorist organisation the OAS and perpetuated by colonialists. Despite the extremist propaganda conveyed by guillaume durocher and the likes of him, which want make us believe that all the french had left Algeria, the truth is that after 1962 more than 200.000 french stayed in Algeria. And some till this day are still leaving in Algeria.
    This is fully documented in Pierre Daum book "without suitcase or coffin".
    (https://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2008/05/DAUM/15870)
    If you want to understand what happened in Algeria during the french rule look at what is happening now in palestine.

  • I have a distinct dislike for the journalistic class as a whole. They do not so much report news as collectively make the news, according to a peculiar pack mentality, which combines commonly-agreed designated good guys and bad guys, but also sometimes brutal and erratic shifts collective opinion, not according to the whims of an...
  • @Carolyn Yeager
    @Carolyn Yeager


    I recall seeing Hamann described as Jewish [...] I will have to get back to you on that.

     

    My memory is at fault. I think what happened is that it was another German woman writer I looked up and found she was indeed Jewish, and transposed that memory onto Brigette Hamann. Mea Culpa.

    I'm not in the habit of calling people Jews based on the merest suspicion or because I don't like them, so I appreciate that you brought it up. In fact, I complain to others about that, so I try not to do it myself. Lately though I get lazy, don't want to trouble myself, so am more prone to let myself slide. It doesn't save any time in the long run. I do think being Jewish is relevant though. I think all ethnicities are relevant. It's something I put a lot of importance on.

    Why I don't like Hamann without even reading her? She is praised and rewarded by mainstream media and publishing, etc. which means she reflects their world view no matter how well she writes. I have tried to read mainstream historians about Adolf Hitler and I just can't do it. I have even gone back to books from the thirties, like John Gunther's "Inside Europe", 1938 edition, but there are just so many lies and blatant anti-Nazi propaganda - even just the use of the word Nazi all the time. I mean, do I choose to be brainwashed? If I have to disregard every other sentence, why read it at all? I would rather spend my time working at writing what I believe than spend it reading books by my enemies. The fact that you respect all these authors, or believe it's necessary to be familiar with their ideas, doesn't recommend your writing to me. Probably the reason I'm so dismissive toward you. I realize I'm overly blunt, due to impatience and ?. But there's also your connection to Counter-Currents and what that says about you. For the life of me, I don't see what the average white man sees in that site. Personal aspects like that play a role in my thinking, I lose respect and and am satisfied to follow my own path.

    Replies: @Mike P, @Guillaume Durocher

    Well, I recommend Hamann. She does not seem to have an axe to grind. I agree many mainstream historians are openly hostile and deprecating. Gunther is indeed completely hostile and, besides the factoids he reports, is interesting to know how hostile Western journalists already were.

  • @Guillaume Durocher
    @Eugene Norman

    Thanks for your comment. If you are interested, have a look at a couple of Carrier's lectures, which are a quite cogent exposition of the Christ myth hypothesis: e.g.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTllC7TbM8M

    There are also several interesting online debates between him and mainstream scholars.

    I do not find however that the most common mainstream academic narrative makes complete sense. They will claim Jesus was an earthly preacher who gradually became deified by successive generations of followers. Very plausible hypothesis, from a secular perspective, and which matches the pattern of the Gospels (assuming you accept their rough dating from Mark to John). As Jesus was not very important in his lifetime, it would not be surprising if non-Christian sources would make no reference to him. Richard Smoley (a Gnostic) has a nice summary of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xxhnwpu-PQ

    The problem is with the Letters of Paul. There, the earliest source, Jesus is very much a divine being and there is virtually no reference to his earthly teachings and the barest references to life-events (Carrier, with his Greek, even contests these, arguing that dying-and-rising gods are a common mythological motif). Thus Carrier reverses the hypothesis: Jesus was a dying-and-rising divine being who later became humanized (not by Paul) in the Gospels, starting from Mark, and then riffing on him. Mark in effect provides Christian missionaries a model for their life and behavior, a model indeed which has been very successful right up to the present day! Mark's Jesus would have been much more relatable to the masses than the rather mysterious being described in Paul (or whatever the being the pre-Pauline Christians believed in, of which no contemporary record survives).

    Anyway, I am not taking a side myself. I don't read ancient Greek and am not a New Testament scholar. I found Carrier's arguments however to be in some ways better at accounting for all of the evidence than the standard mainstream argument.

    On making things up: It's not unusual for ancient spiritual traditions to simply completely make things up, according to their institutional interests and what emotionally resonates with them (inspiration!). Cobbling things together, retconning, very common. All people had to go on for their traditional beliefs was oral tradition and/or a text. Obviously, this is extremely easy to falsify or evolve organically, and people had absolutely no way of verifying. And "falsifiers" did not necessarily consider they were doing wrong: consider Plato's "noble lie."

    Scholars today consider Lycurgus, Sparta's great lawgiver, a "semi-legendary" figure. A polite way of saying they have no idea if he existed or not. The idea of Lycurgus, in any event, played a very important and powerful role, by associating Sparta's (evolving) customs and regime with a revered personality.

    Or consider Mahayana Buddhism (which I practice in the form of Zen): it is known that the founding Mahayana scriptures featuring the Buddha were written centuries after the original Indic scriptures (e.g. Pali Canon), which in turn were written centuries after the historical Buddha would have lived.

    And what do the Mahayana scriptures claim? That Buddha secretly and wordlessly taught the true way through a nod to one of his disciples, who then passed this on to the Mahayana. As history and transmission, this sounds utterly contrived. The institutional message is very clear however: we Mahayana follow the true way, not the lesser Buddhists of the Theravada ("Lesser Vehicle"). Even though, Theravada Buddhism of Southeast Asia looks to be more traditional and archaic.

    Some clever monkeys (Evola, Stephen Batchelor) will argue that the historical Buddha was more philosophical and less "superstitious/religious/institutional", and hence in a way secularized Zen is closer to the original Buddhist spirit before it became a rigid institutionalized religion. WHO KNOWS!

    An important role of any institutional religious scripture is to legitimize one's own teachings and institution (with greater-or-lesser degrees of delegitimization of other traditions, ranging from "tolerant" polytheistic syncretism to the Abrahamic traditions' total disavowal of other traditions).

    So often, a traditional religion will make claims which appear to us utterly arbitrary, except if we hear the underlying institutional or even power-political message. It is very interesting to analyze the various religious traditions from this viewpoint: each in effect has different reproductive/memetic and political strategies in their competition and/or coexistence with other religions.

    Replies: @Eugene Norman, @David

    Thanks for the reply. The reason that I tend to believe the actual existence of Jesus as a real historical figure is because, as I said, Paul is writing to existing Christian congregations. He does reference the resurrection of Jesus which means Jesus lived as a human. The letters are theological so they don’t tend to expound on the life of Jesus which was probably known in other sources, oral or not.

    You also elided over who wrote or caused to be written the gospels and the very specific and detailed acts of the apostles, with its large cast of characters. If Paul is the inventor of Christianity it means that the subsequent writers of the gospels were ploughing their own path, making up a historical figure from a divine one, creating a large cast of characters (including Paul himself) and throwing in references to historical characters, like Pontius Pilate. Why is this necessary and why bother if a divine Christ is already believed in? Why have him crucified at all? The crucifixion would be seem to be shameful, the death of a common criminal rather than a king.

    The writers have clearly retrospectively added in some additions, like Jesus being born in Bethlehem, necessary for the theology of a messiah. Most historians doubt the historicity of this – as the accounts of Luke and Matthew are totally different. However if you are making up a figure you don’t need the excuse of a census or an angel causing somebody to flee Nazareth for Bethlehem, since you can just say he was born and grew up in Bethlehem as the prophecy suggests. The lie reveals the underlying truth, the historical Jesus was born and grew up in Nazareth, and the evangelists has to retrofit a birth in Bethlehem into that.

    • Thanks: Guillaume Durocher
  • @Carolyn Yeager
    @lloyd

    You are confusing Hitler's Last Will and Testament [which Traudl Junge (the stenographer) typed up and which is signed by Martin Bormann and AF aide Nicholas von Below, and is authentic] with the much longer fake called Hitler's Last Testament. Durocher should have distinguished between the two. Did he not do so on purpose or because he doesn't know? Either one is believable.

    Durocher keeps writing about Hitler, a subject on which he's not competent since he has no sympathy for the man. It's rather because anything with Hitler's name gets reads and comments. I take issue with this paragraph:


    Brigitte Hamman’s Hitler’s Vienna, which focuses on the future German dictator’s desultory youth, manages to wonderfully bring together fin-de-siècle Viennese culture, contemporary newspapers, the German-Austrian nationalist subculture, the few documents from Hitler’s youth, Mein Kampf, and even the wartime Table Talk. One gets a sense of Hitler the irresponsible Bohemian, an unteachable slave to his Muse, his overpoweringly vivid imagination and already-emerging inflexible will.
     
    Brigitte Hamman the Jew is just the right person, in Durocher's eyes, to paint Hitler as destined for failure right from the beginning. That is what Frenchman Guilluame Durocher sets out to accomplish in every Hitler article he writes.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN, @Guillaume Durocher

    A) I explicitly distinguish between the two “testaments” in the article.

    B) While your speculation about my motives is interesting, the truth is I write about Hitler because I find him to be a fascinating and extremely important historical personality. I believe we should learn from the past to act in the present for the sake of the future, etc.

    C) I did not know Hamman was Jewish. Source? Her ethnicity in any case is of no bearing to my estimation of her work, but I take it you do not rate it highly? Do you have a critical review of her work? Perhaps I am unaware of some defects.

    D) Hitler was a tragically flawed figure. It’s obvious that great forces were gathered against him. All the same, it is also obvious to me that both his successes and his failures were, to a large extent, driven above all by the very particular features of his own personality.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Guillaume Durocher

    C_1) I did not know Hamman was Jewish. Source?

    First: she is Brigitte Hamann, not Hamman, thus no connection with "hammamm"
    (turkish public bath for ladies) and via Turkey to the Near East and its religions. German family names ending with -mann (engl. "man") are quite down to earth German... But Hamann is her husband's name, her birth name was Deitert. Asking Google for other famous Deiterts I found a very short list of people in a very small spot in the Rhineland, Kreis Borken. Sounds like totally judenfrei.

    Looking for her at Wiki - a quick move that can be telling a lot - one finds that in her life full of a heap of academic research she received some prizes, but not one Jewish or Israeli. Compare that with the avalanche of distinctions which Angela Hitl..., uh, "Merkel", received for making plausible that she absolutely MUST be Germany's eternal fuehreress.

    C_2) estimation of her work

    Again, have a look at wiki, or, via Google, at
    https://www.geschichtewiki.wien.gv.at/Brigitte_Hamann

    Her work is immense and outstanding, she is one of the rare persons who was able to write (in German language and environment) academic works in good, plainly understandable German (which, yes, in German literature was often done by German Jews and rarely by deutsche volksgenossen).

    Her first book was about crown prince Rudolph - who as an anonymous journalist wrote vitriolic articles against his father, Kaiser Franz, and ended together with a lady of his choice with an imperial revolver in Mayerling... a repetition as it were of the death of German playwright - and also political journalist - Heinrich von Kleist roughly 80 years earlier at the Kleine Wannsee near Berlin.

    Based on her book about Rudolph I concluded that in early 1889, Old Europe and its eternal überfuehrerdom, the Habsburgs, retired through Rudolf's ostentative giving up on 1889-1-30, and made place for the dynasty of the Rotschild-Schickelgruber-Hitler/"Merkel"s starting their political branch with the birth of Adolf Rotschild-Schickelgruber on 1889-4-20. In that family the name "Angela" is endemic, our present fuehreress is already the fifth with that name.

    "Angela" may point to The Angels in Heaven, but also or mainly to Anglia aka "Engellant". Yes, Desert Fox (comm. #161): both were/are tools of 'them', yes, but steered from their European base, Engellant. When and how Angela was produced in Argentina and then "disappeared" in Eva Braun-Hitler's belly... is mentioned, not in detail, in Gerrard Williams' and Simon Dunstan's book "Grey Wolf".

    , @Carolyn Yeager
    @Guillaume Durocher


    I explicitly distinguish between the two “testaments” in the article.
     
    Which two testaments? There is Hitler's Last Will and Testament and his Political Testament, which you relegated to a footnote (maybe added later to "fix" your omission). You actually discuss at some length the fake testament that you call the "last testament." This is what confused your reader Lloyd, and I'm sure many others were confused by it too, or misled. Here's the quote:

    Another major written document we have is Hitler’s so-called “last testament.”[1]

    The “last testament” is significant as a fake because it is one of the few documents where Hitler explicitly speaks of the extermination of the Jews.
     

    If this document is fake, why discuss it? Oh, I know, because of the way it presents Hitler as an exterminationist, plus you're also considering it may not be fake:

    However, many of the major Hitler historians, and others, used the document in their work, including Allan Bullock, Joachim Fest, and Jon Toland. John Lewis Gaddis, the dean of Cold War historians, quotes this document as well as Tocqueville in the opening of his major history.
     
    So much for "major Hitler historians." You're also doing a good job confusing the Unz Review readers here:

    The Toland biography is a good case in point. This is a balanced and respected work comes from a historian who, remarkably, did not speak German.
     
    ... even though he takes into consideration fake documents in coming to his "balanced and respected" conclusions.
    I did not actually look at your footnotes for this article because I first just wanted to get an impression of it as I'm familiar with your style and opinions. Then I just scanned through the comments for any that stood out for me. I'm sure that's the case with Lloyd and most of the readers here too, so I don't think depending on footnotes for essential information is adequate.
    Here's your second footnote:

    [2] The historian Mikael Nilsson presents the latest evidence on the “last testament”: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13507486.2018.1532983
     
    Only the last line of this long research article is really necessary to your article: “Historians should therefore refrain from using this source, and should treat it as if it was a forgery.”
    Bottom line: I'm always left with the impression that you intentionally present negative opinions about Hitler hoping to disguise them as your 'fascination with the man." The proof of this is your starting "belief" already set in stone before you begin writing whatever you write

    Hitler was a tragically flawed figure.
     
    I recall seeing Hamman described as Jewish in what I considered a generally reliable source for this type of information. It sticks in my mind as something like Wiki or Amazon, but it may have been changed (scrubbed) since. Or my memory is at fault. I will have to get back to you on that as I don't want to hold up this comment.

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  • @Seraphim
    @Eugene Norman

    Mr. Durocher is clearly on the 'Christ myth' bandwagon when he refuses to do in the case of Christianity what he pretends to do in the case of Hitler: read the primary documents instead of relying on journalists like Carrier. In that case the New Testament and the Apostolic Fathers.

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    It’s quite possible Carrier is wrong and I am giving him too much credit.

    Carrier has brought to light the fact that the Table Talk is unreliable, especially the English version, and cannot be reliably quoted as a source on Hitler’s religious beliefs, which are his main interest. I don’t agree with him that Hitler was much of a Christian. His references to the “Almighty” and, more commonly “Providence,” mark him as more of a deist and pantheist. Hitler was obviously a politician: Nietzsche’s critique of Christianity was widespread but he was after all the head of a State of a majority-Christian country.

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    @Guillaume Durocher

    Carrier is plain wrong (on the rabid side of Judeo-Islamic-Atheist anti-Christianity) and you shouldn't give him any credit whatsoever if you want to be taken seriously yourself. You do because it resonates with your own beliefs. The 'unreliability' of some 'sources' of Hitler's history has nothing to do with 'Jesus biography'.
    He brought to light the fact that Hitler's Table Talk are unreliable (which was nothing new) only as a 'proof' of the 'unreliability' of the Gospels, as a prop for his attacks against the Church and an occasion to denounce at every turn the 'corruption' of true Christianity (his affirmation that "The horrors of the holocaust were a Christian-imagined, Christian-enacted, Christian-led atrocity" laid bare his real agenda, showing also who finances his 'scholarship').
    But he doesn't doubt the reliability of Hitler's views on Christianity that match so well with his own views. One shouldn't wonder, Hitler's views on Christianity are flatly the same as those of the Protestant 'high criticism' which infected the German universities and were mainstream in the German 'philosophy' and of the 'Aryan' caricature of Christianity called 'Positive Christianity'.

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  • @Eugene Norman
    @Guillaume Durocher


    Still, lack of interest in the earthly life and teachings of Jesus in the letters of Paul, the earliest Christian written documents, is downright puzzling.
     
    I’m no scholar of Christianity or the bible but I did go to mass as a youngster and two things are clear. One is that Paul is writing to existing Christians across the empire, not all of them congregations he set up. The other is that, he clearly talks about the resurrection. In corinthians 1 he says.

    “3For I handed on to you as of first importance what I in turn had received:
    that Christ died for our sins
    in accordance with the scriptures,
    4and that he was buried,
    and that he was raised on the third day
    in accordance with the scriptures,
    5and that he appeared to Cephas,
    then to the twelve.”

    This is the first statement of this creed in writing, preceding the gospels. For a man to die he has to have lived.

    In any case if Paul did invent Jesus then who wrote the gospels and where did they get their information? Paul was dead by then and the acts of the apostles aren’t favourable to him. The most obvious explanation is an existing oral or written history was used as source material.

    Is Paul the guy who invented both Christianity and Jesus? Then he must have written the source material for the gospels. If it was written by somebody else then who was this mysterious other person?

    Occam’s razor would suggest that a cult leader did exist and was written about, rather than somebody mysteriously inventing him fooling Paul, or Paul inventing him trying to fool everybody else, first with letters that barely mention the life of Jesus and then with a source material that does, and in minute detail.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Seraphim, @Guillaume Durocher

    Thanks for your comment. If you are interested, have a look at a couple of Carrier’s lectures, which are a quite cogent exposition of the Christ myth hypothesis: e.g.:

    There are also several interesting online debates between him and mainstream scholars.

    I do not find however that the most common mainstream academic narrative makes complete sense. They will claim Jesus was an earthly preacher who gradually became deified by successive generations of followers. Very plausible hypothesis, from a secular perspective, and which matches the pattern of the Gospels (assuming you accept their rough dating from Mark to John). As Jesus was not very important in his lifetime, it would not be surprising if non-Christian sources would make no reference to him. Richard Smoley (a Gnostic) has a nice summary of this:

    The problem is with the Letters of Paul. There, the earliest source, Jesus is very much a divine being and there is virtually no reference to his earthly teachings and the barest references to life-events (Carrier, with his Greek, even contests these, arguing that dying-and-rising gods are a common mythological motif). Thus Carrier reverses the hypothesis: Jesus was a dying-and-rising divine being who later became humanized (not by Paul) in the Gospels, starting from Mark, and then riffing on him. Mark in effect provides Christian missionaries a model for their life and behavior, a model indeed which has been very successful right up to the present day! Mark’s Jesus would have been much more relatable to the masses than the rather mysterious being described in Paul (or whatever the being the pre-Pauline Christians believed in, of which no contemporary record survives).

    Anyway, I am not taking a side myself. I don’t read ancient Greek and am not a New Testament scholar. I found Carrier’s arguments however to be in some ways better at accounting for all of the evidence than the standard mainstream argument.

    On making things up: It’s not unusual for ancient spiritual traditions to simply completely make things up, according to their institutional interests and what emotionally resonates with them (inspiration!). Cobbling things together, retconning, very common. All people had to go on for their traditional beliefs was oral tradition and/or a text. Obviously, this is extremely easy to falsify or evolve organically, and people had absolutely no way of verifying. And “falsifiers” did not necessarily consider they were doing wrong: consider Plato’s “noble lie.”

    Scholars today consider Lycurgus, Sparta’s great lawgiver, a “semi-legendary” figure. A polite way of saying they have no idea if he existed or not. The idea of Lycurgus, in any event, played a very important and powerful role, by associating Sparta’s (evolving) customs and regime with a revered personality.

    Or consider Mahayana Buddhism (which I practice in the form of Zen): it is known that the founding Mahayana scriptures featuring the Buddha were written centuries after the original Indic scriptures (e.g. Pali Canon), which in turn were written centuries after the historical Buddha would have lived.

    And what do the Mahayana scriptures claim? That Buddha secretly and wordlessly taught the true way through a nod to one of his disciples, who then passed this on to the Mahayana. As history and transmission, this sounds utterly contrived. The institutional message is very clear however: we Mahayana follow the true way, not the lesser Buddhists of the Theravada (“Lesser Vehicle”). Even though, Theravada Buddhism of Southeast Asia looks to be more traditional and archaic.

    Some clever monkeys (Evola, Stephen Batchelor) will argue that the historical Buddha was more philosophical and less “superstitious/religious/institutional”, and hence in a way secularized Zen is closer to the original Buddhist spirit before it became a rigid institutionalized religion. WHO KNOWS!

    An important role of any institutional religious scripture is to legitimize one’s own teachings and institution (with greater-or-lesser degrees of delegitimization of other traditions, ranging from “tolerant” polytheistic syncretism to the Abrahamic traditions’ total disavowal of other traditions).

    So often, a traditional religion will make claims which appear to us utterly arbitrary, except if we hear the underlying institutional or even power-political message. It is very interesting to analyze the various religious traditions from this viewpoint: each in effect has different reproductive/memetic and political strategies in their competition and/or coexistence with other religions.

    • Replies: @Eugene Norman
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Thanks for the reply. The reason that I tend to believe the actual existence of Jesus as a real historical figure is because, as I said, Paul is writing to existing Christian congregations. He does reference the resurrection of Jesus which means Jesus lived as a human. The letters are theological so they don’t tend to expound on the life of Jesus which was probably known in other sources, oral or not.

    You also elided over who wrote or caused to be written the gospels and the very specific and detailed acts of the apostles, with its large cast of characters. If Paul is the inventor of Christianity it means that the subsequent writers of the gospels were ploughing their own path, making up a historical figure from a divine one, creating a large cast of characters (including Paul himself) and throwing in references to historical characters, like Pontius Pilate. Why is this necessary and why bother if a divine Christ is already believed in? Why have him crucified at all? The crucifixion would be seem to be shameful, the death of a common criminal rather than a king.

    The writers have clearly retrospectively added in some additions, like Jesus being born in Bethlehem, necessary for the theology of a messiah. Most historians doubt the historicity of this - as the accounts of Luke and Matthew are totally different. However if you are making up a figure you don’t need the excuse of a census or an angel causing somebody to flee Nazareth for Bethlehem, since you can just say he was born and grew up in Bethlehem as the prophecy suggests. The lie reveals the underlying truth, the historical Jesus was born and grew up in Nazareth, and the evangelists has to retrofit a birth in Bethlehem into that.

    , @David
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Interesting discussion. But again, Carrier has an agenda. He completely dismisses the Gospels. I agree that 95% of statements in the Gospels are not historical but I think that there was a Jesus movement, he was executed under Roman law, and the movement continued.

    As an early example of Carrier's ridiculousness, he says "all other evidence from the first eighty years was conveniently not preserved, not even in quotation of refutation. In other words, a great deal of other literary activity that would have been happening including tons of other letters don't survive. Not only do they not survive, we don't even have mention of them. So the evidence has been pretty well scrubbed."

    So all the real, true evidence that "would have" existed but has never been evidenced in any form is missing, so we know it must have been scrubbed. "Conveniently" for those behind the Jesus hoax.

    Replies: @David

  • @Bardon Kaldian
    Having read his Mein Kampf, Table Talk & some- not most- speeches & letters I’ve long since come to the conclusion, moralizing apart:

    1. Hitler was perhaps the most charismatic world-leader, surpassing Caesar & Napoleon. Evidently the most”philosophical”conqueror, working according a few basic ideas.

    2. he was not nearly close to Caesar or Napoleon in genius or energy (Alexander the Great & Genghis Khan we don’t know enough about). Mentally, he was explicit that he has more affinity with eastern Emperors in ancient China and Japan (he could as well had added Genghis Khan, because he also shared some similarities with world’s greatest conqueror).

    3. his world-view is frequently confusing: sometimes, he seems to think that Nazism will result in flourishing of individuality; on the other hand, he’s more inclined to zombification of individuals & turning them into fighting robots & nothing more.

    4. his spiritual dimension is also not well thought through: as a Christian, Hitler is proponent of masculine Christianity, the Crusader (with Aryan Christ). Providence governs his star, and we cannot decide whether he believed in the afterlife or not. He didn’t deny it, but also didn’t pay much attention to it. Providence was his Dharma, Tao… He expressed admiration for the Chinese, Japanese…whose history is replete with millions & tends of millions of dead during upheavals. But, he was, if we count Mongols, applying alien moral & mental criteria to the most civilized & creative people in the world in past 200 years- total lack of historical & cultural perspective. Mongols were a wild bunch of militarily controlled, but otherwise raving alcoholics without Bach, Gauss or Goethe.

    5. his historiosophy is sorely lacking. He ascribed the invention of “conscience” to “Jewish subversion”. What about Socrates, most pre-Socratics & even more, Stoics? Or, with China- Confucius (500 BC)?

    6. Hitler wanted to destroy-not only subdue, but to annihilate, ultimately, Poles, Ukrainians, Belorussians & Russians until the Urals. Most Indians in Hispanic and Anglo America died of diseases, not as the result of a huge extermination plan.This is the only time in history when massive continental extermination was the one great thing planned.

    7. He was, although cunning as a diplomatic tactician, wholly devoted to extreme war as the chief means of spiritual rebirth, similar to Maennerbuende in archaic Teutonic societies (see Mircea Eliade on initiation). Aggression, death, destruction, violence…. were central to his world-view; he couldn’t accept something like Sun-Tzu on warfare (even if he knew of it, which is unlikely).

    8. he hated Jews with cold passion. Actually, his dogmatism prevented him to realistically assess that Jews don’t control Stalin’s USSR, nor Chamberlain’s Britain, nor FDR’s US. He got Abwehr reports, but hadn’t drawn any conclusion from them. His obsession with “stab-in-the-back” myth is also impossible to decipher- his accomplice Ludendorff was the man who surrendered Imperial Germany to Allies & could not name a single Jewish person in German government, diplomacy, finances, everything …that could be guilty of high treason. And yet, he proceeded with his antisemitic obsessions which, among other things, resulted in extermination of Jewish communities in Greece or Belgium. Hitler fantasized about some enormous Jewish power, but couldn’t tell when it had begun, nor where was it manifested.

    9. Hitler considered eastern Slavs to be subhumans. And then, astonishingly so, subhumans had produced perhaps the best WWII tank, T-34. How so? Time to correct his policy & show some elasticity in his strategies? Perhaps to radically alter many elements in his world-view? No, nothing…

    10. at the end, he envisioned complete annihilation of German people. The people who could not have prevailed over three empires (British, Soviet, American- just check populations, production & the military). Not questioning that his entire concept, in its clearly defined megalomaniac version was, from the outset- absolutely lunatic & war simply unwinnable.

    So much about Irving’s hero who was, by duplicitous Anglo-Zionist scheming, lured into war he- basically- didn’t want…

    Replies: @John Johnson

    his spiritual dimension is also not well thought through: as a Christian, Hitler is proponent of masculine Christianity, the Crusader (with Aryan Christ). Providence governs his star, and we cannot decide whether he believed in the afterlife or not.

    He endorsed a re-write of Christianity which involved dropping the old testament and making Christ an Aryan. But I think he would have promoted a Germanic pagan religion if it was politically viable. Germany was a Christian nation so as with all politicians he can’t deviate that far from the norm.

    I think he mostly gave thought to religion in the context of how it serves the people. He spoke of having divine providence but clearly didn’t believe in the God of the Christian Bible. He obviously didn’t believe that the Jews were God’s chosen people.

    Hitler considered eastern Slavs to be subhumans. And then, astonishingly so, subhumans had produced perhaps the best WWII tank, T-34. How so? Time to correct his policy & show some elasticity in his strategies? Perhaps to radically alter many elements in his world-view? No, nothing…

    The German underestimation of the Slavs was disastrous.

    You can see this is in the battle of Kursk where the Germans show up for a battle under Soviet terms. They basically show up with a massive amount of armor knowing full well that the Soviets are ready and have been preparing defenses. All under the arrogant German assumption that ‘one more battle’ should do it.

    The Germans had the attitude that the Soviet state would collapse at any moment. As you said Hitler and his Generals never changed their world view. Their intelligence was also awful as seen in table talk. They completely underestimated Soviet productive capacity.

    • Agree: Wielgus
    • Thanks: Guillaume Durocher
    • Replies: @Wally
    @John Johnson

    ignorantly said:
    "Hitler considered eastern Slavs to be subhumans. And then, astonishingly so, subhumans had produced perhaps the best WWII tank, T-34. How so? Time to correct his policy & show some elasticity in his strategies? Perhaps to radically alter many elements in his world-view? No, nothing…"

    - Hitler never called Slavs "sub-human". You're merely reciting Zionist propaganda

    - The T-34 was cheap to make, but the best tank was the German Mark IV Panther, the one Russians & Americans later copied

    - Germany had little time to assess the USSR military as the Communist invasion was forthcoming,

    more:
    “Master Race” / Herrenrasse / Herrenvolk – a deliberate mistranslation: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12400'
    Fraudulent Nazi Quotations: http://www.ihr.org/other/weber2011fakequotations.html

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    , @AnonFromTN
    @John Johnson


    perhaps the best WWII tank, T-34
     
    T34 was not the best WWII tank in many ways. But it served its purpose best because it was relatively cheap, relatively simple, easy to mass-produce, easy to repair in the field (instead of sending it back to the factory, as was the case with German tanks), and highly maneuverable. Its cannon was much weaker than the cannon of German tanks, but it overwhelmed German armor due to numbers and easy repairability.

    The Germans had the attitude that the Soviet state would collapse at any moment.
    Their intelligence was also awful
     
    Hard to dispute either. What’s more, there is direct connection: poor intelligence (low cognitive ability) was the reason German leadership expected the Soviet state to collapse.

    Interestingly, current “leaders” of Ukraine demonstrate the same stupidity: they expect Russia to collapse any day now. They will be disappointed, just like Germans.

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  • David Irving claimed in 1977 “there is no archival evidence that Hitler even knew of the Final Solution of the Jewish Problem, let alone ordered the liquidation of millions of Jews.” This obviously got Irving into an inhuman amount of trouble.

    This refers to publication of Irving’s book Hitler’s War (in 1977) — but Irving’s ‘troubles’ increased dramatically after he testified to the lack of evidence linking Hitler to the ‘Holocaust’ at the second Zündel trial in 1988 — Irving was impressed with the Leuchter report, introduced by the defense (Zündel) at that trial — afterward, in a number of speeches/appearances, Irving made statements more or less repudiating the heart of the conventional ‘Holocaust’ narrative, i.e. that the Germans planned and then attempted the extermination of Jews via gas chambers located in “death camps” — in a number of speeches he says something like this: ‘I privately advise my Jewish friends that the game is up — they’ve already seen how stories like soap made from the fat of Jews, and collections of shrunken Jewish heads, have been shown to be lies — now it’s only a matter of time until the whole gas chamber story is similarly exposed as a lie’ — in one instance he gives it another 18 months or 2 years — you can find these speeches online.

    • Thanks: Guillaume Durocher
  • @Allen
    Sorry but I find it hard to take your article seriously when you have kind words for Richard Carrier, (one of the Christ-mythers who argue that Jesus never exited for those unfamiliar). New Testament Scholarship is a weird and wild world where you can build a career arguing almost anything as long as it's slightly historically plausible. Crossan can argue that Jesus is best understood as a Cynic philosopher who happened to be Jewish. Meier can argue Jesus is best understood as a unique Rabbi. Koester can argue Jesus was non-apocalyptic while N.T. Wright can argue Jesus was apocalyptic (albeit apocalyptic in a way completely different from typical "end of the world" understanding). Point is you can get tenure and get published if you present a plausible argument and frankly the more controversial your opinion is the more it will be welcomed. (for the record I tend toward the more orthodox N.T. Wright side of things if that wasn't obvious).

    Despite this tolerance for a wide variety of opinions the ideas of Carrier and other Christ-myther pseudoscholars are not taken seriously by anyone who has actually earned a Phd in the field and teaches at a reputable institution. Considering all that you can get away with in New Testament scholarship that says a lot. Point being if you see anyone citing Carrier, Price, or Harpur as "authorities" on anything it's best to ignore whatever the person is saying. At best they are peddling ideas that were outdated in the 1910s ,when people still thought Frazer's Golden Bough was a legitimate work of anthropology.

    Forgive me for the tangent but I can't help but have a strong opinion about Carrier given his treatment of the now-deceased scholar Larry Hurtado. Dr. Hurtado, who taught at University of Edinburgh, was one of the kindest and most erudite scholars I've ever encountered. He regularly posted on his blog about developments in New Testament research and always responded questions posed by readers even if they were fairly simple or frivolous. After discussing why Carrier's opinions are not taken seriously by anyone within the field, Carrier proceeded to launch a series of vitriolic attacks and name-calling in the comments of Dr. Hurtado's post. To his credit Hurtado did not stoop to Carrier's level but calmly dismantled his arguments as unsupportable by the evidence. Nevertheless, I won't forget Carrier's childish attacks on one of the most learned scholars I've ever had the pleasure to interact with.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @David, @Seraphim, @Archangel

    Thanks for your comment. Indeed, I was getting at the ability of historians to come up with just about any Jesus

    I haven’t found Bart Ehrman’s rebuttals very compelling. I have not heard of Dr. Hurtado.

    Carrier admits his thesis is probabilistic. An absence of evidence is not proof of absence, given Jesus’ lack of prominence during his lifetime. Still, lack of interest in the earthly life and teachings of Jesus in the letters of Paul, the earliest Christian written documents, is downright puzzling.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @St-Germain
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Some years ago I decided to settle the Jesus question for myself by mining the knowledge distilled by the holy man perched atop the mother lode of archived documents. So, I read the book


    Jesus von Nazareth
     
    by Joseph Ratzinger, Pabst Benedikt XVI., published in German by Herder in 2012 as part of a trilogy on the life of Christ. It covers what the pope had learned of his subject's childhood years, namely not much.

    Although no bestseller, this thin book is still astonishing for what it doesn't reveal. We know next to nothing about the early years of Jesus, sources conflict and what little may be deemed reliable comes through the writing of Matthew and Luke. The pope's treatment is quite scholarly and sometimes even skeptical of various legends, such as the historic date of Christ's birth, which he tries hard to pin down to a year. In the end one is left to wonder whether the pope is actually convinced of all this or has prudently decided to treat the inscrutable childhood of Jesus as just a matter of faith.

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    , @Eugene Norman
    @Guillaume Durocher


    Still, lack of interest in the earthly life and teachings of Jesus in the letters of Paul, the earliest Christian written documents, is downright puzzling.
     
    I’m no scholar of Christianity or the bible but I did go to mass as a youngster and two things are clear. One is that Paul is writing to existing Christians across the empire, not all of them congregations he set up. The other is that, he clearly talks about the resurrection. In corinthians 1 he says.

    “3For I handed on to you as of first importance what I in turn had received:
    that Christ died for our sins
    in accordance with the scriptures,
    4and that he was buried,
    and that he was raised on the third day
    in accordance with the scriptures,
    5and that he appeared to Cephas,
    then to the twelve.”

    This is the first statement of this creed in writing, preceding the gospels. For a man to die he has to have lived.

    In any case if Paul did invent Jesus then who wrote the gospels and where did they get their information? Paul was dead by then and the acts of the apostles aren’t favourable to him. The most obvious explanation is an existing oral or written history was used as source material.

    Is Paul the guy who invented both Christianity and Jesus? Then he must have written the source material for the gospels. If it was written by somebody else then who was this mysterious other person?

    Occam’s razor would suggest that a cult leader did exist and was written about, rather than somebody mysteriously inventing him fooling Paul, or Paul inventing him trying to fool everybody else, first with letters that barely mention the life of Jesus and then with a source material that does, and in minute detail.

    Replies: @Diversity Heretic, @Seraphim, @Guillaume Durocher

  • One of my favorite World War II historians is Paul Fussell. He was not an approved history professor, but an English professor who served with the US Army during World War II. This allowed him to write things like:

    “I would read accounts of so-called battles I had been in, and they had no relation whatever to what had happened. ”

    His book “Doing Battle” didn’t sell nearly as well as books by Stephen Ambrose, who somehow missed military service but became wealthy writing about brave and brilliant American troops in World War II. Perhaps Fussell’s work wasn’t popular because he insisted on writing:

    “In the opinion of British military historian Max Hastings, the American forces were so bad (and actually so were most of the British) ‘that when Allied troops met Germans on anything like equal terms, the Germans almost always prevailed.’ Thank God the troops, most of them, didn’t know how bad we were. It’s hard enough to be asked to die in the midst of heroes, but to die in the midst of stumblebums led by fools — intolerable. And I include myself in this indictment.”

    Fussell wrote that of the 12 million Americans who served during World War II, only one million volunteered. The rest entered “kicking and screaming” with the threat of imprisonment and spent the war scheming to avoid combat. His short book “The Boys’ Crusade”, is about infantrymen fighting in Europe during World War II where he served as a lieutenant. He noted many great books on the war, but wrote that all missed key elements, such as:

    – Most fighting was done by American infantrymen, who were just out of high school. They were drafted and didn’t want to be in the war or the Army. The Army’s official tally was 19,000 deserters in Europe.

    – Self-inflicted wounds (a downward bullet wound to a leg or arm) were so common that the Army kept a tally and used it to measure unit morale.

    – When the U.S. Army’s new 106th Infantry Division was attacked at the beginning of the Battle of the Bulge, it didn’t put up a fight. Its boys were so startled by the unexpected appearance of large numbers of German panzers that officers jumped into jeeps and fled while 8000 GIs threw up their hands and surrendered.

    – The “platoon guide” was a junior sergeant added to each infantry platoon whose duty was the trail the platoon and confront anyone who attempted to desert.

    – During the Battle of the Bulge, the Germans sent 150 English speaking commandos dressed in US Army uniforms to infiltrate American frontlines and cause chaos. They were quickly captured because American MPs guarded all roadways. Any healthy soldier heading toward the rear was presumed a deserter and arrested and interrogated.

    More in this video:

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Carlton Meyer

    Paul Fussell was more revealing than Ambrose, although I have read both. He also had a less lofty view of the "greatest generation".
    Watching for deserters is what all military police forces do, especially in wartime. In itself this was not special to the USA in WW2. One way German infiltrators were detected was that they rode four to a jeep. Because of traffic accident casualties Americans were not supposed to do that.
    Max Hastings in his book on the Korean War is also pretty scathing about US troops, although he is less objective about British ones, it seems to me.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @dearieme
    @Carlton Meyer

    when Allied troops met Germans on anything like equal terms, the Germans almost always prevailed

    That was my father's view. He said that the Germans were better soldiers than the soldiers of the democracies - better trained, and having a greater appetite for battle.

    In particular the Germans had been trained to take the initiative rather than wait for orders.

    We won by dint of control of the air, much more artillery, and much, much more materiel.

    Replies: @St-Germain, @Bookish1

    , @Digital Samizdat
    @Carlton Meyer


    – The “platoon guide” was a junior sergeant added to each infantry platoon whose duty was the trail the platoon and confront anyone who attempted to desert.
     
    The Union Army did the same thing during the Civil War. That's why, to this very day, platoon sergeants and company first-sergeants always march behind their respective elements when in formation. During the Civil War, in fact, they had standing order to shoot any soldier who tried to desert in combat.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @RVBlake
    @Carlton Meyer

    I've always enjoyed Fussell's writings. In his discussion of American GIs in England prior to the invasion, however, he said that the English considered Negro troops to be more polite than White GIs. I wasn't there, I can't refute the statement from personal experience. I am skeptical.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @lloyd

  • The posters and trailers for today’s films and TV series generally look awful to me. I occasionally give them a chance, against my better judgment, and find I have wasted my time. All these pope dramas and even Emir Kusturica’s documentary with Uruguayan President Peje Mujica: meh.[1] So I look to the past. I’ve recently...
  • @Pericles
    @Seraphim


    Montaigne could afford his ‘simple life, without luster’ of an early retirement from burdensome public affairs in very dangerous times, to pursue his desire to become a celebrated sage, from the ‘detachment’ of his ivory tower at the Chateau de Montaigne, and with the help of a ‘simple’ wast wealth. Who wouldn’t like to imitate his life-style? But, alas, how many can afford it? Can you?

     

    I'd estimate 90% or more of white humanity wouldn't want to imitate Montaigne, judging from how people behave. They don't want to write essays in a simple life without luster, they want to party, travel, have fun. Furthermore, when they have retired here in clown world, people persist in not writing essays or becoming sages (though they do want us to listen to them).

    I would say it's actually fairly easy to imitate the lifestyle of Montaigne today, except if you really want that chateau of course. Books are basically free, good books are definitely free, walks in the forest or the city are free, and a modest NEET lifestyle in a small but comfortable apartment might even be covered by unemployment or disability or similar, if you can't get into academia.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @JackOH, @AaronB

    Correct!

  • My take on modern Star Trek compared to the old: Star Trek very much embodied what liberal American white males of the 1980s and 1990s thought the future would (or should) look like: secular, sexually liberated, humanistic, meritocratic, equitable, and technological – a man’s world, basically. In this world, religion plays practically no role in...
  • @Tusk
    I would love to hear Divine Right's, or anyone elses, take on The Orville which felt like "true" Star Trek in a sense when I watched it. It is more modern (diverse cast, genius black guy+dumb white guy, black female dr, interspecies relationships) but it wasn't complete garbage and disrespectful to the whole premise. Some of the episodes were a little forced in their philosophical dilemmas but nontheless it was certainly better than Picard.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Fart jokes.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @Guillaume Durocher

    "Fart jokes."

    A carefully-timed fart at a stifled dinner party or a stuffy business meeting can be a real icebreaker.

  • In an address to the nation and the wider francophone world on Thursday (April 16), the Franco-Cameroonian[1] comedian Dieudonné M’bala M’bala called for peace and reconciliation in these anxious times of confinement and coronavirus. Opening his video with his customary “may peace be with you and with your spirit,” Dieudonné recalled the many world leaders...
  • @Diversity Heretic
    Jerome Adams is a vice-admiral in the Public Health Service, not the United States Navy, Despite his status as Surgeon General, he has naval rank, probably for historical reasons.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    Very curious. Thanks for the correction!

  • The posters and trailers for today’s films and TV series generally look awful to me. I occasionally give them a chance, against my better judgment, and find I have wasted my time. All these pope dramas and even Emir Kusturica’s documentary with Uruguayan President Peje Mujica: meh.[1] So I look to the past. I’ve recently...
  • @Sollipsist
    As a pre-adolescent nerd, nothing could have prepared me better for an adult world of left vs right as Star Trek TNG and C. S. Lewis' twin fantasy series (Narnia and the Space Trilogy).

    At the time, I accepted all of Star Trek's ideological premises and utopianism, and found Lewis' religion and conservatism troubling. For me, being troubled -- and generally rebellious or contrarian-- inspired taking a closer look at my own views and getting a better understanding of what I assumed was 'the opposition.' I was never tempted to become a Christian believer, but at least Lewis helped me to abandon my obnoxious preteen atheism in favor of a more nuanced respect for both simple faith and more intellectual theological arguments. And I certainly have nothing but sympathy for his defense of a more traditional and pastoral life amidst overwhelmingly relativist and modernist trends.

    Since then, I've come full circle and now find TNG to be the more troubling narrative -- in the sense that I assume countless young viewers were propagandized in the same way that I was, but many failed to become aware of it, or to recognize it as merely quaintly idealistic young adult escapism. For decades, Trekkies were still objects of ridicule (albeit often somewhat fondly). It's a bit disturbing that their subculture now seems like a clear precursor to a world in which fandom, a fetish for technology, and "liberal" values are basic and widespread adult characteristics.

    I'm happy that my fellow nerds are enjoying more sympathy, but at the same time I wish that more of them realized how much of their worldview is essentially retarded adolescence. And that maybe less time should be spent on extracting superficial values from escapist entertainment... he says, after spending time responding at length to a discussion about Star Trek...

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher, @Mr. Hack

    Very interesting! And worth talking about! Pop culture has an impact on everyone.

  • @Lars Porsena
    Now do Babylon 5.

    Replies: @Guillaume Durocher

    IIRC the second episode is ham-fisted Nazi allegory.

    • Replies: @Lars Porsena
    @Guillaume Durocher

    I don't recall the 2nd episode specifically, but there was a lot of allegory for a lot of things in the series. I thought it was better than the Star Trek version which would be Deep Space 9. Babylon 5 actually has an overarching plot, a war between order and chaos over 5 seasons or so, and is not as episodal as Star Trek. It's definitely way less of a liberal utopia than Star Trek. There's lot of bad blood between various species, war, politics, religion, some alcoholism/drug addiction, and an eon long sort of cold war between the two oldest races using the younger races to wage proxy wars over their deep philosophical differences. The ultimate intergalactic nanny-staters vs the ultimate nietzschean social darwinists, both hegemons trying to pull the younger races in their direction through infiltration and manipulation. The latter are the bad guys but in the end they are both bad guys. There are also a few different civil wars including a human one where Mars revolts against Earth I think. It was a long time ago that I saw it (back when it was airing). Everybody is not on the same page in a multicultural utopia. A bit more realistic in that regard and way more dramatic.

    It does have fairly liberal sensibilities on the whole I guess, but not anywhere near as much as any of the Star Treks.

    The special effects and production quality are as dated as TNG now but it's got some great drama.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJaQtZty5M

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6GhW1dFDVs

    Picard was a good character though. I thought most of the other ones sucked. TNG gave us Wesley Crusher. Troy and Riker also sucked. Picard was the best character in the whole series. I thought Picard was at his best when he was anything but cool and dispassionate though, like when he dropped his composure and cosmopolitan values and fought the borg like Captain Ahab.

    Replies: @Rational Rabbit, @songbird

    , @WWHD
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Warhammer 40k is the ultimate right wing sci-fi. If we ever get power it needs to be a tv series

    Replies: @Lars Porsena