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    I have become weary of the dancing around by politicians and denial by Jewish organizations over what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians. That anyone can with a straight face deny that there is anything wrong with a nearly fifty year occupation and strangling of the Palestinians because they have been demonized as “terrorists”...
  • @Avery
    @GroundhogObserver

    { If every “palestinian” in the world died tomorrow, the world will have lost…nothing. No symphonies lost, no great novels lost, no world-changing inventions lost}

    That is really low.
    By your logic, Nazis should have been allowed to exterminate all the Jews, right ?
    Since Nazi German scientists created some of the technological breakthroughs that are used today by everyone: jet engine, rockets,…
    If the 1000 year Reich was allowed to exist, imagine all the technological wonders we'd be enjoying today.

    { Contrast with Israel, who makes significant contributions to the world economy, technology and culture.}

    There is no doubt that Israel is technologically advanced.
    But to compare contributions/creations of Israeli Jews vs Palestinians living in open air prisons of Gaza and West Bank is desperate.
    Israel benefits from about $10 billion in transfers from US annually.
    Israel borrows, copies, steals technology developed in US that costs US taxpayers 10s of billions annually.
    So how well would Israel do without the massive support from US.

    Israel tried to develop their own jet fighter, the Lavi.
    Even with massive US-taxpayer financing of the project, the Israeli pride&joy went up like a lead balloon.
    The useless Iron Dome, which Israel keeps boasting about, is a copy US Patriot.

    About a million Jews emigrated from USSR to Israel.
    Amongst those were 10s of 1000s of high caliber engineers, scientists, etc.
    Ready made, highly educated talent: educated at the expense of Soviet taxpayers.
    With all its economic faults, USSR’s education system was world class.

    And Jewish intellectuals have done well in Western societies, _because_ of Western (Christian) societies.
    How many world class Jewish intellectuals have been produced by Jewish communities residing for generations in Muslim majority countries (…Iran, Turkey, etc).

    And, again, by your own logic: if Israel disappeared tomorrow - which I do not wish - its contributions to world economy would not even be a blip.
    Nobody would care.
    Some other country would fill the tiny economic void.

    Replies: @Sherman, @GroundhogObserver

    Poor Avery, trapped in a prison of ignorance.

    “By your logic, Nazis should have been allowed to exterminate all the Jews, right ?”

    Quite the opposite. See reply to “Adolph” above.

    “But to compare contributions/creations of Israeli Jews vs Palestinians living in open air prisons of Gaza and West Bank is desperate.”

    See reply to Anti-Republocrat above. The “palestinians” live in conditions far better than those that Solzhenitsyn suffered under in the gulag, yet he wrote books that affected a superpower. So what have they accomplished? Faked “atrocities” and rioting? They are ethnically Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese and Jordanian, yet their homelands won’t take them back so as to inconvenience Israel. Those are the nations to be angry with, not Israel.

    “Israel borrows, copies, steals technology developed in US that costs US taxpayers 10s of billions annually.”

    An unproven claim. Yet the USSR (then) and Russia (now) are well documented as having relied upon stolen technology & patents to get their economy to function at all. And, you seem enamored of the USSR…why?

    “Israel tried to develop their own jet fighter, the Lavi.”

    It was a homegrown F-16 clone. And the economics of the situation made it more economically feasible to simply buy F-16s customized to Israeli specifications than to build their own plane.

    “The useless Iron Dome, which Israel keeps boasting about, is a copy US Patriot. “

    LOL, no. Not even close. Different purpose, different environment, different targets, different engagement envelope. They are both defensive systems that use radars and missiles, but that’s as far as the similarities go. You really don’t know much about military hardware, do you?

    And Iron Dome works very well in actual use. I realize that you’re angry about that and would rather have dead Israeli civilians than a working defensive system, but I am glad that you are disappointed.

    “With all its economic faults, USSR’s education system was world class.”

    Now that’s funny. A country based on credentialism where no one is held accountable, yet somehow their education system was “world class”? I think we define that term differently.

    “How many world class Jewish intellectuals have been produced by Jewish communities residing for generations in Muslim majority countries (…Iran, Turkey, etc). “

    Um, that question proves my point! Muslims are violent ignorant savages who ruin everything they come into contact with. The fact that Jews can even manage to survive in muslim nations is a testament to their discipline and work ethic.

    “And, again, by your own logic: if Israel disappeared tomorrow – which I do not wish – its contributions to world economy would not even be a blip.”

    What is the GDP of Israel and its neighbors? How about Israel and Europe? Israel is far more than a blip.

    And, music would take a hit too: http://www.ranker.com/list/famous-conductors-from-israel/reference?page=2

    It takes a lot of water to grow oranges. Yet Israel, which is a desert, is the largest exporter of oranges in the world. It takes brains to make that possible and hard work to make it happen.

    Compare and contrast with the achievements of the “palestinians”…which I am still waiting to have presented to me by one of the people who are so vigorous in defending them.

    • Disagree: Orville H. Larson
    • Replies: @Avery
    @GroundhogObserver

    {An unproven claim. }

    Yes, proven.

    I know you like and trust him very much, so will cite your favourite Israel expert:
    http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2010/01/27/stealing-success-tel-aviv-style/
    [It adds that Israel recruits spies, uses electronic methods, and carries out computer intrusion to gain the information. The 2005 report concluded that the thefts eroded US military advantage, enabling foreign powers to obtain expensive technologies that had taken years to develop.]
    [A 1996 Defense Investigative Service report noted that Israel has great success stealing technology by exploiting the numerous co-production projects that it has with the Pentagon.]
    [In June 2006, a Pentagon administrative judge overruled an appeal by an Israeli who had been denied a security clearance, stating, "The Israeli government is actively engaged in military and industrial espionage in the United States. An Israeli citizen working in the US who has access to proprietary information is likely to be a target of such espionage." ]

    You can enjoy the rest of Mr. Giraldi’s article proving the claim I originally made: “Israel borrows, copies, steals technology developed in US”

    {Yet the USSR (then) and Russia (now) are well documented as having relied upon stolen technology & patents to get their economy to function at all. And, you seem enamored of the USSR…why?}

    Yes, of course.
    That is why USSR was the first to send a satellite into orbit.
    Also they stole the technology of sending the first human into outer space.
    They also stole the technology of pioneering the robotic exploration of space, Lunokhod: about 25 years _before_ US's Mars Pathfinder, another remote-controlled vehicle, was put on an extraterrestrial body.
    Well documented ? by whom: the same people why deny Israel steals technology from US ?

    { A country based on credentialism where no one is held accountable, yet somehow their education system was “world class”? I think we define that term differently.}

    See the NY Times article I referenced above about Soviet Jewish scientists in Israel.
    Read the entire article: you will enjoy it.

    { Israel is far more than a blip.}

    As far as the world’s economy is concerned, it is a blip.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

    If Israel’s economy went down to zero, nobody but Israelis would notice or care.

    , @annamaria
    @GroundhogObserver

    "It takes a lot of water to grow oranges." Sure. But the true statement should be worded this way: "It takes a lot of stolen water to grow oranges."
    Apart from stealing the land, Israel has been stealing Palestinian water as well:
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2014/03/israel-water-miracle-palestine-20143247252981587.html

    , @Quercusalba
    @GroundhogObserver

    Israel is NOT the largest exporter of oranges in the world. Without even looking for the statistics that claim is patently absurd considering the geographic size of its competitors, e.g., the U.S., Brazil, Italy. Where in the hell did you get that information?
    Even if true, we're supposed to be impressed by orange production? Be serious!

    Replies: @RobinG, @Old Jew

  • @anti_republocrat
    @GroundhogObserver


    If every “palestinian” in the world died tomorrow, the world will have lost…nothing. No symphonies lost, no great novels lost, no world-changing inventions lost. But look at you, working yourself into a lather to defend that human detritus.
     
    Thank you for your candid expression of typical Zionist bigotry, racism and just plain ignorance.

    Replies: @GroundhogObserver

    So, since Israel was drawn into existence, creating the “palestinian” problem, what exactly have the “palestinians” accomplished?

    Surely you can point to something substantial, anti-republocrat? I mean, if Solzhenitsyn can write books that shake a superpower to its foundation while inside that superpower’s own gulags, the “palestinians” who are clearly not in a gulag must have created something of value to society in the last 68 years, right?

    So name them.

    • Replies: @anti_republocrat
    @GroundhogObserver

    It's not my responsibility to educate a racist, bigoted clown. Why don't you try searching the web for 'Palestinian' and 'author'. There's a lot out there, not just Edward Said, whom you clearly would denigrate. Oh, WTF, I'll make it simple as it's good educational practice to differentiate for those who are differently abled: http://www.goodreads.com/list/show/15627.Best_Books_about_Palestine

    Take a look there. It's not just all hate for Israel. There are poets listed. You could also search for Palestinian musicians and artists. Take your time.

    , @anti_republocrat
    @GroundhogObserver

    I was reluctant to mention Khalil Jibran in my earlier responses to your racist hate, because he was Lebanese or Syrian, not Palestinian. However, in view of


    there is no such thing as a “palestinian”, merely Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese and Jordanians who were abandoned in “palestine,”
     
    it's apparent that by your definition there is no difference between Palestinians and Arabs in general. So if not for the unbearable conditions Israel has imposed on them, Palestinians might realistically be expected to contribute to the world as much as any other of the Arabs. Let's see, there's algebra, zero, the decimal numbering and place value system. They invented the harp, lyre, zither, drum, tambourine, flute, oboe and bagpipe. You know, there weren't a lot of symphonies written by inmates of Nazi concentration camps, either. Anne Frank's diary was written before her internment and tragic death from Typhus.

    It's certainly true that Israel has produced numerous artists, authors, musicians and academics. Unortunately, many of them, like Theodore Bikel and Gilad Atzmon, were so disgusted with Israeli racism and victim-hood that they emigrated. The well-respected historian, Ilan Pappe, was hounded out of Israel for telling the truth about Israel's original sin. Of course, Benny Morris also told the truth but Pappe lamented it and called for atonement, while Morris apparently revels in it, like any good, racist Zionist.

    Replies: @Bruce D

    , @JoaoAlfaiate
    @GroundhogObserver

    Given the military and financial strength of the Zionist enterprise and it's control of the US media and Congress, with all the diplomatic, financial and military power that implies, that the Palestinians are continuing to resist is quite an accomplishment. And with BDS making significant inroads with israeli trading partners in Europe the game is changing. And not in favor of israel.

  • @Adolph
    @GroundhogObserver

    GroundhogObserver gets an A+. He or she presented Nazi propaganda themes to perfection. "Superior races" must stick together it would seem. EAH only gets an A.

    Replies: @GroundhogObserver

    Nazi’s said the Jews were subhuman and defective.

    The results of IQ testing, and the actual artistic, technological and economic achievements of Jews prove otherwise.

    So, how can I be presenting Nazi propaganda themes when the facts clearly invalidate those Nazi themes?

    Nice demonstration of Godwin’s Law, though. Thx for that, “Adolph”.

  • I have grown accustomed to seeing cleverly-shaded anti-Semitism from Giraldi. So it goes. He has a right to his opinions.

    But there’s a special kind of stupidity required to not know who the “palestinians” are, where they came from, and what violent actions they have been engaged in. (Hint: there is no such thing as a “palestinian”, merely Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese and Jordanians who were abandoned in “palestine” when the map of the middle east was redrawn after WW2.) The faking of “atrocities” against “palestinians” for fawning left-wing journalists is well documented if one makes the effort of googling for them.

    And since Giraldi is not stupid…his clear bias towards the “palestinians” is not a matter of ignorance but rather deliberate deception in furtherance of his anti-Israel beliefs.

    Quite a telling choice of allies you have made, Giraldi. If every “palestinian” in the world died tomorrow, the world will have lost…nothing. No symphonies lost, no great novels lost, no world-changing inventions lost. But look at you, working yourself into a lather to defend that human detritus. Not that you would ever actually take in a “palestinian” as a refugee.

    Contrast with Israel, who makes significant contributions to the world economy, technology and culture. But who needs any of that?

    Time to move on, Phil. This particular windmill is dented up from all of your tilting at it.

    • Replies: @Adolph
    @GroundhogObserver

    GroundhogObserver gets an A+. He or she presented Nazi propaganda themes to perfection. "Superior races" must stick together it would seem. EAH only gets an A.

    Replies: @GroundhogObserver

    , @anti_republocrat
    @GroundhogObserver


    If every “palestinian” in the world died tomorrow, the world will have lost…nothing. No symphonies lost, no great novels lost, no world-changing inventions lost. But look at you, working yourself into a lather to defend that human detritus.
     
    Thank you for your candid expression of typical Zionist bigotry, racism and just plain ignorance.

    Replies: @GroundhogObserver

    , @Avery
    @GroundhogObserver

    { If every “palestinian” in the world died tomorrow, the world will have lost…nothing. No symphonies lost, no great novels lost, no world-changing inventions lost}

    That is really low.
    By your logic, Nazis should have been allowed to exterminate all the Jews, right ?
    Since Nazi German scientists created some of the technological breakthroughs that are used today by everyone: jet engine, rockets,…
    If the 1000 year Reich was allowed to exist, imagine all the technological wonders we'd be enjoying today.

    { Contrast with Israel, who makes significant contributions to the world economy, technology and culture.}

    There is no doubt that Israel is technologically advanced.
    But to compare contributions/creations of Israeli Jews vs Palestinians living in open air prisons of Gaza and West Bank is desperate.
    Israel benefits from about $10 billion in transfers from US annually.
    Israel borrows, copies, steals technology developed in US that costs US taxpayers 10s of billions annually.
    So how well would Israel do without the massive support from US.

    Israel tried to develop their own jet fighter, the Lavi.
    Even with massive US-taxpayer financing of the project, the Israeli pride&joy went up like a lead balloon.
    The useless Iron Dome, which Israel keeps boasting about, is a copy US Patriot.

    About a million Jews emigrated from USSR to Israel.
    Amongst those were 10s of 1000s of high caliber engineers, scientists, etc.
    Ready made, highly educated talent: educated at the expense of Soviet taxpayers.
    With all its economic faults, USSR’s education system was world class.

    And Jewish intellectuals have done well in Western societies, _because_ of Western (Christian) societies.
    How many world class Jewish intellectuals have been produced by Jewish communities residing for generations in Muslim majority countries (…Iran, Turkey, etc).

    And, again, by your own logic: if Israel disappeared tomorrow - which I do not wish - its contributions to world economy would not even be a blip.
    Nobody would care.
    Some other country would fill the tiny economic void.

    Replies: @Sherman, @GroundhogObserver

    , @annamaria
    @GroundhogObserver

    "Historian Salo Baron has noted that an immensely disproportionate number of Jews joined the new Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka... "Anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka," wrote Jewish historian Leonard Schapiro, "stood a very good chance of finding himself confronted with, and possibly shot by, a Jewish investigator." In Ukraine, "Jews made up nearly 80 percent of the rank-and-file Cheka agents," reports W. Bruce Lincoln, an American professor of Russian history. Beginning as the Cheka (or Vecheka) the Soviet secret police was later known as the GPU, OGPU, NKVD, MVD and KGB. In light of all this, it should not be surprising that Yakov M. Yurovksy, the leader of the Bolshevik squad that carried out the murder of the Tsar and his family, was Jewish, as was Sverdlov, the Soviet chief who co-signed Lenin's execution order." http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

    Any questions about anti-Semitism in Ukraine? By the way, check the careers of those Jews that had emigrated to Israel and the US from the USSR; many of them had excellent jobs in the USSR, often the leading positions in sciences and industries - despite the constant wailing about the alleged discrimination agains Jews there. Do you know the names and ethnicity of the leading oligarchs in Russia and Ukraine today? Does the name Kolomojsky ring anything for you? Perhaps, in relation to financing the neo-Nazis in Ukraine? Or maybe re his recent heist of $1.8 billion dollars intended for helping the ordinary people in the neocon-ravaged Ukraine?

    You live in a house of glass. Until very recently, the rather homogenous Soviet society was reluctant to discuss the disproportionate number of Jews in the first Bolshevik government and secret police. But the times are changing. Solzhenitsyn, an honest historian wrote a book, "Two hundred years together," where he documented the contribution of the Jewish population to Russian civilization. This book was banished by the US publishers. Do you have any idea why?
    There were the truly outstanding scientists, engineers, and artists of Jewish descent in the USSR, but along with the best a brightest, there was also the worst scum like the sadistic leaders of the Soviet secret police and such unbelievable monster as Ms. Zemlyachka (Rozalia Zalkind), one of the leaders of Red Terror: https://enigmachannel.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/the-worlds-most-evil-woman/

    Your hymns to the Jewish genius do not take into account a simple fact: There were no great scientific and artistic achievements by the ancient Israelis (in part because the ancient state of Israel had a minuscule duration). All the universally-revered accomplishments by the people of Jewish descent have been due, to some extend, to other peoples' civilizations.

    , @Art
    @GroundhogObserver

    “But there’s a special kind of stupidity required to not know who the “Palestinians” are, where they came from, and what violent actions they have been engaged in. ”

    Unbelievable – the nerve of these Jews – this evil tribe of squatters steal people’s land and then blame them when they fight back. The Jews have the nerve to call their victims wrong for objecting. Good god, what moral garbage these Jews are.

    These Palestinians have lived there for thousands of years – in that time, they have been ruled a dozen different occupiers. The difference between the other rulers and the Jews is that only the Jews have thrown them out of their homes in mass.

    After all that they have done to the Palestinian people how can anyone in good conscience respect a Jew?