Well argued, Frederick. Yours is the same as mine was before I read Jared Taylor's analysis of the trial. Now I'm leaning your way again. Glad I'm not a juror anywhere.

Look who straggled in, the prodigal son who poured water on Ron's favorite theories.

I have to agree with the old coot this time, the McMichaels overstepped their boundaries. The elder McMichael did a poor job of knowing the law--inexcusable since he used to be the law himself.

The smarter thing would have been to follow jogger boy down the road with their cameras rolling, shouting at him that all this footage would be going to the po-po. He'd have been scared shitless, and probably found a new cul-de-sac to terrorize.

Or they could have set some sort of primitive trap like an open container of paint perched above a door left ajar. The sight of Arbery running away with white paint all over him would be priceless.

Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @AbrahamSteinblattbaumstein, @SaneClownPosse

Arbery knew that his pursuers knew that he was up to no good. That is why he kept running, euphemistically called "jogging". If he had not done anything wrong , anyone with an IQ of 70 would have stopped and explained himself. The McMichaels would have let him go on his way. They certainly come across as reasonable people.

The McMichaels certainly had probable cause to do a citizens arrest. That is the key point. The fact that Arbery was in that house under constructions uninvited on several occasions is a burglay felony even tho nothing was taken. Under Georgia law you don't have to take anything. What was his intent is the issue. Arbery was no carpenter, plumber or electrician. There is nothing in his record that he did any type of construction work. So you can easily infer that he wanted to steal something.

In any case, all of the above becomes irrelevant when he decided to attack Travis. It became a life and death struggle over the shotgun, which resulted in Arbery dying. It was a justifiable homicide. The trial was a show trial staged for political purposes and is a travesty of justice. I hope it is reversed on appeal. I wish all 3 of these convicted men the best.

Replies: @Bragadocious, @KeaponLaffin

They didn't attack Arbery, you fool.....Arbery attacked THEM.

The Deep South and Long Island are different places.
 

'...I don’t think I can reasonably be charged with being soft on crime by blacks, or anyone else...'

But we can perhaps charge you with living in a bygone era. I would disagree with you about the legalities of the case, but perhaps that's become a red herring.

Perhaps the legal argument is no longer relevant. In case you haven't noticed, the only sense in which we're not having a race war is that we're not fighting back. That needs to change, not continue. Eleven of those jurors were white. They should not have voted to convict.

You remind me of the British cabinet minister in the winter of 1939-40, who, when asked why Bomber Command wasn't dropping incendiaries on the Black Forest, retorted that the land in question was private property.

Catch up with what's going on.

At last a sane voice.
Like Chauvin the justice system rid society of really ignorant and stupid people.
The Gene pool thanks the system.
What happened to "It has got nothing to do with you. Phuq Off. Mind your own business."
Everybody wants to get involved in everything.

Good to hear from you Mr Reed. I wasn't too worried about you i figured you were hiding out in the open somewhere.
I enjoyed the last column of yours i read. It was a few weeks ago.
Happy holidays to you and the family, Sir.
Take care look forward to reading moar columns from you

Whatever you state "the law" says does not make it right. Hiding the facts of Arbery's career as a criminal is the law--but that does not make the hiding of his past the right thing to do.
"That Arbury was a known criminal with a violent past means the law didn’t do its job of segregating him from society permanently. The law is the major problem in this situation since had it done the required job, none of this would have happened. It put that POS back on the street where he could continue being a problem and left him on the street after he proved beyond doubt that he can’t be trusted.

That his pursuers had no cause to go after him is a small matter of bad judgement that in and of itself would not have harmed anyone. When the low life Arbury committed unintentional suicide by pulling on the barrel of a shotgun that should have been the end of the matter. A decent prosecutor would have held off any prosecutions as part of a deal to not give the pursuers a medal for helping clean up the town."

Many commenting on the adventure seem unable to distinguish between evidence and assumption, suspicion, and wish.
 

Everything, most times, seem perfectly logical to real lawyers and wannabee lawyers. However we live in a world of emotion and one today where self preservation is paramount when blacks are seen consistently loitering around. Lawyers are essentially word engineers, twisting narratives to achieve their goals which are : To satisfy the people PAYING THEM. This is clearly evident when we look at any case in Court. Both the Prosecution and Defence have far different spins on the "evidence and assumption, suspicion, and wish". Our country is run by Lawyers and given the state of the place this gives one a view of what they are all about.

Now as you pointed out :

He Arbery allegedly entered the house five times, consistently leaving without stealing anything. Not stealing is not evidence of stealing.

I ask you Freddy, what if he had entered YOUR house in a similar manner. He may have left 5 times without stealing but what about the 6th time ? Maybe there would have been something to steal AND if the owner was around a murder added to the equation.

That is just one example. If we look at all your other assertions and ask WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE DONE we would get a different answer. You would not be so "logical" with your lawyer like B/S.

The self-defense defense has no basis in law. If you attack someone, as by chasing him with trucks which you use to herd him in desired directions—this is ADW—and at some point he turns to fight, you cannot kill him and claim self-defense
 

Hence your commentary is BUNK more so when we take into consideration Arbery;s past bad behaviours and brushes with the law. Arbery was an accident waiting to happen. Luckily this time it happened to him.

As time passes and the public (black especially) loses interest, these three whites will be released. They had every justification for capping this wretched character depicted in his photos one way, as a smiling "about to enter University" scholar but in reality a hard faced loser with a criminal mentality and past.

Replies: @Mackie Messer

As the prosecutor told the jury—I presume you watched the video—the only question before them was whether the three were conducting a legitimate citizen’s arrest.
 

As has already been said by some great criminal defense and civil rights attorneys but juries should not be left to their own devices in interpreting the applicable laws. The judge should have instructed them on how to interpret the law and should have applied the concept of lenity to favor the defense given the contradictions and ambiguities in the citizens arrest law.

Replies: @Curmudgeon

The actions of the McMichaels -- chasing after a suspected trespasser on someone else's property to make an armed citizen's arrest -- might have been unwise, but they hardly constituted "malice murder" worthy of guaranteed life without parole.

They may have been liable for creating a situation where an armed confrontation could end badly, but in a sane world that's manslaughter at worst.

The biggest mistake McMichael made was forgetting that he was no longer a cop and no longer indemnified by his department -- and engaging in a pursuit for which he could be held personally liable.

That being said, what the court did to Bryan was absolutely obscene. The unarmed Bryan was found guilty of murder simply for being present and taking a cell phone video of the incident.

The Arbery case was not cut-and-dried for either side. However it was clear that the defendants were crucified by the court and given the maximum becuse they were white and the deceased was black.

I don't care to live in Fred's society.

Fred's OK with a society in which Armed Robbery can prey on a neighborhood and get away with it. He's OK with punishing citizens doing the job that police won't do.

I'm not going into the Talmudic weeds re: what Georgia law required. If Georgia law mandated this result, Georgia law is an ass. It's a dubious proposition - multiple prosecutors declined to charge the McMichaels.

Anti-White media drove the eventual prosecution and the result.

I haven't read Fred's posts for a long time because of his dishonest contrarian BS like this. If he's now going to sh*t up threads outside his containment area, it's a disservice to Unz readers who've learned to distrust and avoid his low-effort trolling.

Fred, if you have something to say, especially on a subject that's somewhat off-topic to this thread, you have a corner here at Unz to p*ss in. Say it there and stop shilling for attention in Derb's space.

You hit the nail on the head with every point.

Anyone thinking otherwise in agreement with the author of this trash is proving their synapses have have terminaslly shortcircuited.

The answer is the mainstream narrative you believe in is impossible, ergo the conspiracy theory that explosives were planted. What we know as fact is that your belief is impossible, ergo something else, even if unknown, happened. Respectfully.

Write on AMLO’s view of Covid vaccines and Ivermectin, please. That would be wonderful to read about, if you happen to be idle. CELAC too.

Let´s see ... GABA is a neurotransmitter, Salvarsan was too good for the
Tuskegee airpersons, and I doubt they gave you C-4 (1,3,5-trinitro-1,3,5-triazinane).
In both the army (assault engineer) and the profession
(mining geology) things that go boom were my daily bread - do not try to scare
your grandmother with your bodily nakedness.
I have not used nukuler explosives (duh) but have a reasonable idea what such
cratering looks like.

- As in the Beirut harbor case no clear evidence of, erm, help is visible
in the videos (nukes I rule out in both cases); then again, it wouldn´t be expected.
The only thing that raises one eyebrow is the symmetrical pulverization
(i.e. the things did not topple) of the central column at the beginning of the
collapse - for which pancaking is not implausible
(inside the column would be the logical point to place (shaped) charges,
but that´s not as easy as it sounds and there´s no reason for the column to go
at the height of the impact).
All the rest can be safely left to gravity (cf. G.K.Chesterton, "The Hammer of God").
The heat is part from the collapse, part from unlikely combustibles (Al, Mg, Zn, Be).

Nothing to see here - but the circumstances are still damning :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvC5A3K-0fY

Why does nobody answer the question of how it was done?
 

Replies: @Pat Kittle

This recent paper seems reasonably specific:



Investigating the Mechanics of Destruction at the Twin Towers on 9/11:
The Case for Propelled Demolition
By Wayne H. Coste, PE

http://www.scientistsfor911truth.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/WTC_Propelled_Demolition_Paper.pdf

Congratulations Fred. Your casual contempt - well disrespect at least - has really brought out Ron's dimwitted, semiliterate groupies who repeat over and over agan the most elementry errors (free fall, footprints, steel melting come immediately to mind) and share blustering absurdities. And you've even got to Ron. Mind you on the central lot of nonsense about how the WTC buildings came down it would have made sense to be more careful. I don't think it is claimed that there would have been collapses without fire weakening of more than the outer frame.

Replies: @Ron Unz

Fred, I don’t know anything about demolishing skyscrapers but I can spot a logical fallacy when I see one. You are claiming that either a very complicated and hard to conceal installation of explosives brought the towers down or it was entirely the result of two aircraft flying into them: A or B. When in fact it’s either a question of A or A+B, that is, whether the shearing force of impact and the subsequent fire were sufficient to neatly destroy the buildings. I don’t have an informed opinion on that, however, if I were making a point to discredit all conspiracy theorist I wouldn’t begin with a very sloppy argument.

You wrote your column out of animus for conspiracy theorists - well I don’t like you either. I think for the sake of balance Ron Unz should allow me to write an article psycho-analyzing aged, profane but pompous writers.

Why does nobody answer the question of how it was done?
 

Replies: @Gordon K. Shumway

How many of your favorite "serious journalists" have a degree in structural engineering and metallurgy? https://www.voltairenet.org/article213935.html

To date, there is no physical explanation for the collapse of three of the World Trade Center towers onto their own footprints (i.e. vertically). The Twin Towers were hit by two planes, but were not shaken. ... A third tower was destabilised by the fall of the first two to its side. It too collapsed, not laterally, but vertically.

It should be noted that no explanation was given for the lateral explosions heard by the firemen and widely filmed, nor for the vertical beams that were severed and not melted; two pieces of evidence attesting not to an accidental but to controlled demolition.

It should also be noted that no collapse of skyscrapers has ever been observed, either before or after 9/11, following a large-scale fire... and that no one has learned the lessons of this attack and therefore changed the way such buildings are constructed to prevent such a catastrophe. Finally, the photographs taken by firefighters of "pools" of molten steel and those taken by FEMA of the melting rocks in which the foundations were built are inexplicable according to the official version.
 

Serious journalists dismiss Truthers because they are silly cranks, like fifty or sixty other varieties of onspiracy theorists who believe that there are microchips in vaccines, space aliens in Roswell,FEMA, black helicopters, and (no doubt) dinosaurs being grown by the Pentagon as bio weapons. The cranks, being ignored, see this as further proof of conspiracy
 

Circular reasoning.

Microchips in vaccines, dinosaurs being grown in the pentagon are on the same level of Dick Cheney refusing to let jets intercept the "highjacked" planes.

Riiiight. You people(see post 44) know exactly what you're doing when you pull this crap.

How did fire make the twin towers explode?

Why did Cheney refuse to intercept the planes?
https://youtu.be/bDfdOwt2v3Y

PS

I just found a incredible resource for 911 truthers

https://archive.org/details/911/day/20010911#/

You can watch media response to 911 in real time as it was.

Replies: @Desert Fox, @Sparkon

"Serious journalists dismiss Truthers because they are sill cranks"
 

Mr. Reed, you write columns for Ron Unz, whose friend you also claim to be. Are you really sure you want to go on record rather gratuitously calling your friend and boss a "silly crank"?

My two most important conclusions are that the Israeli Mossad was probably behind both the JFK Assassination and the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
 

Serious journalists dismiss Truthers because they are silly cranks
 

Yer as naked as a jaybird, Shlomo.

good to see Tokyo Rose has weighed in

Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert

Reed, disingenuous a*hole
watch this video which shows a side by side comparison of building 7 and a similar building controlled demolition and explain using laws of physics particularly the free fall.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2drbj7

"...(c)onspiracy theorists who believe that there are microchips in vaccines, space aliens in Roswell,FEMA, black helicopters, and (no doubt) dinosaurs being grown by the Pentagon as bio weapons..."

Typical strawman tactic.

Ferd Reedovitch strikes(out) again.

I would like to nominate Fredo V. Reed for the Walter Duranty Unz Pulitzer prize.

In the 1930s, as the Jewish Bolsheviks were busy imposing a state-enforced starvation famine on millions of Ukraine's most successful farmers and their families, Duranty was sent there by the ((NYT)) to tell the world lies about the famine. He could see with his own eyes the unimaginable suffering and death and misery, as millions of the regions best and brightest were systematically starved to an excruciating death, (because they were the best and brightest), Duranty wrote that the whole thing was a nothing burger, and there was only a bit of disgruntled farmers who were too selfish to share what they produced.

He lied about the worst genocide of the 20th century, for lucre and perks, and won a Pulitzer prize!

Well, today the spirit of the Walter Duranty Unz Prize in Whornalism most foul, has obviously been honed to a fine art by the Whorenalist of the Century ~ Fredo V. Reed!

In the last century, Duranty used his skills to shill for the world's most callous and cruel ethnically megalomaniacal, genocidal fiends on the planet. The ones who caused the Boer war and Russian- descent into hell- Revolution, and both World Wars, and all the consequent suffering.

In this century, it is none other than Fredo V. (for venal), Reed, who is the most shameless and obeisant liar and shill for the fiends on the world's stage, who (obviously) perpetrated 9/11 in order to plunge the world into Eternal Wars for Israel, and all of it for a few contemptuously tossed shekels.

Consider..

Has Fredo ever even mentioned the USS Liberty?

This is a guy who writes about wars and their folly for a living. And often uses his poison pen to deconstruct the American service member, (like the ones on the Liberty), for their crass ineptitude.

But to this day, I don't think Fredo has even heard of the USS Liberty, or the men who were murdered by ((cowards)) on that day.

So congratulations Fredo!

That is really some remarkable accomplishment.

You are now in a very elite group of notable personages.

Walter Duranty, of the 20th Century. And now Fredo V. Reed, for the 21st!

Remarkably to the point (I ran out of my “agree” allowance).

Hood is all upset, oh poor thing, about the savages who did Nine Eleven, a pinprick compared to what American savages did to Iraq, ....
 

Replies: @GeneralRipper

Missed your name in my previous comment.

Mr. Hood’s not alone. The race-baiting columnists on this website are overwhelmingly Exceptional! when it comes to their Uncle Sam. Mr. Derbyshire is an obvious example, while Mr. Sailer likely knows better but won’t go beyond “Invade the World, Invite the World.”

This isn’t merely coincidental. Their shtick, after all, is to reassure readers that whites are better than blacks and browns, including those interrogated at Abu Ghraib or droned at the weddings and funerals. Deeper thinking about “foreign policy” they leave to Pat Buchanan.

Replies: @GeneralRipper

Yes, and Hood swallows the standard stories about 9-11 and Bin Laden, hook, line and sinker...I'm curious as to his evidence that Bin Laden was killed, given the fact that the "body" was thrown in the ocean to avoid the problem of its identity....

Now you write crap!

You forgot, the amerimutts couldnt even organinze an op in Venezuela without being busted by some fisherman.

But they sure did show us whatsup in Haiti after they did a drive by on the late President of the struggling island, and made a great, publicly known escape to the taiwanese embassy.

Lol

For what it’s worth, methinks Ron by a wide margin got the better of the debate.
 

And for the icing on the cake, he reassures us by implication: my gringo fren says “take the jab, you’ll be glad!”

Everything Derbyshire says is true, but his pretending to be an American annoys me. He is an Englishman, born and raised. I have lived for almost twenty years in Mexico, and could easily get citizenship. Would anyone then regard me as a Mexican?

I would if you renounced your American citizenship.

You can be a White Mexican transplant. Racially you would still be White but Mexicans can be any race.

Replies: @Colin Wright

Way to totally miss the entire concept of being an American. Good one. Thanks for the laugh. Funny, but that people don't know what it means to be an American is actually our problem.

'Everything Derbyshire says is true, but his pretending to be an American annoys me. He is an Englishman, born and raised. I have lived for almost twenty years in Mexico, and could easily get citizenship. Would anyone then regard me as a Mexican? I would not, Mexicans would not, and Americans would not. Derbyshire rails against non-whites yet has brought a non-white wife into America and fathered two half-white children. This does not bother me even slightly since I greatly like the Chinese and do not doubt that his kids are good citizens. But the sheer hypocrisy grates.'

Identity is also -- within limits -- also a matter of how one chooses to identify.

I'm reminded of English bigots of a hundred years ago who would sneer at second-generation foreign Jews referring to 'we Englishmen...'

Well, it could get a bit farcical. But America and Airstrip One really are pretty similar. Basically, if I go there and act exactly as if I'm at home, there'll be the odd bump and hiccup -- but it'll work (just don't try driving.)

I'm not exactly outraged at Derbyshire coming to see himself as American. It's fine with me. He can even have an Asian wife. Indeed, somewhat oddly, that makes him more American, not less. It would seem stranger if he still identified as English.

In any case, the fight is getting serious. Past a point, I'm going to make common cause with anyone who's close enough. We need to win, not stay intellectually pure.

Replies: @3g4me

I have lived for almost twenty years in Mexico, and could easily get citizenship. Would anyone then regard me as a Mexican? I would not, Mexicans would not, and Americans would not.
 

There's the matter of genetics, and there's the matter of assimilation. Mr. Derbyshire has assimilated very well in the 25 or more years he's been here compared to lots of other Europeans. I would say that the British are a special case who ought to be the quickest to assimilate due to things like the original US having been created by the British people.

For his Chinese wife, it was probably a long time before she was close to assimilated. The kids are undoubtably very well assimilated due to the influence of their Dad and not living in a Chinatown or LA Chinese suburb. Assimilation works in small numbers, a family, wife, an occasional ex-pat here and there. Even for the closest of peoples genetically it doesn't work in large numbers though.

Mr. Derbyshire rails against the large numbers. Yes, his wife is part of these large numbers, but then fiance/marriage visas are not a big proportion of the numbers of immigration visas, especially after you subtract out all the fraudulent ones. I also reckon that he did not see the importance of this immigration issue way back in the mid-1990s.

Lay off, Mr. Reed. You are both good writers, but I get a lot more truth from John Derbyshire's writing than from yours.

Replies: @Chinaman, @Rex Little

...Derbyshire...pretending to be an American annoys me. He is an Englishman, born and raised. I have lived for almost twenty years in Mexico, and could easily get citizenship. Would anyone then regard me as a Mexican? I would not, Mexicans would not, and Americans would not...
 

Derbyshire rails against non-whites...
 

...yet has brought a non-white wife into America and fathered two half-white children...the sheer hypocrisy grates.
 

Multiple Numerical Mass Immigration v Singular Personal Choice ?

The heart wants what the heart wants and as Tony Soprano added , "the dick wants what the dick wants".

Military hospitals are a world away from VA, agree.

An emergency situation that put me into Portsmouth Naval Hospital gave me a look at the most professional medicos America has produced, but then I was on active duty at the time.

A friend going to a nearby VA facility in '18 did mention to me that the Trump administration was trying to upgrade and improve veterans facilities. He said they were getting better, at least the one he was going to. If so, under Joe/Kamal I'm sure any progress will all be erased. But I have no firsthand knowledge if Trump was cracking the whip or not.

Sorry Fred, I thought the guy that pulled sutures off your cornea wrecking it for life was a VA doc. Did they at least throw ya the 100 percent?

The correct word is offense.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331559473_Language_as_an_oppressive_device_in_Orwell's_1984

Wildly overpriced, no Kindle edition. I would like to have been able to read it..
 

While this is all good fun, note that, if there actually is a dangerous virus, encouraging people to ignore it will lead to many deaths.
 

On one hand, the virus does not exist and, on the other, it is a tool of depopulation.
 

Replies: @theMann, @Bill Jones

My crystal ball is broken. How many deaths are you predicting?

Replies: @acementhead

First of all, it is not 'federally' designed, but deep-state designed, which is to say worldwide. All governments except perhaps Belarus are in on it.
And you're saying you believe the CIA version of Kennedy's murder?
Read 1984 again, you may learn something of how government works.

Cockamamie overreaction can cause a lot of hurt too. Global lockdown on "behalf" of public health can also be evaluated in these terms:

--> education for hundreds of millions of children stalled;
--> national economies derailed plunging hundreds of millions into poverty;
--> political exploitation including election malfeasance + mass censorship eroding voter confidence, civil liberties... risking if not instigating civil unrest;
--> vast vaccination mandates w/o clear long term safety data..,

The negative health effects almost certainly induced in each one of these realms of our society is humungous. Yet dissent alone keeps getting treated as the only risk. Why?

Replies: @Dumbo

gee, the 'right answer'





gee, the 'right answer' (i.e. PC) must be "white, conservative, Republican employers" - after all, liberal Democrat employers (just about all big corp.'s now) wouldn't dream of doing that would they? lol

Clearly, the answer is "both."

Do illegal aliens take the jobs of whites, or do white, conservative, Republican employers give them the jobs,knowing they are illegals, to make more money?
 

https://twitter.com/NBCLatino/status/1353790266369564672

https://twitter.com/nytpolitics/status/1364621650780635137

At the Department of Homeland Security, the phrase “illegal alien” is being replaced with “noncitizen.” The Interior Department now makes sure that mentions of its stakeholders include “Tribal” people (with a capital “T” as preferred by Native Americans, it said). The most unpopular two words in the Trump lexicon — “climate change” — are once again appearing on government websites and in documents; officials at the Environmental Protection Agency have even begun using the hashtag #climatecrisis on Twitter.

And across the government, L.G.B.T.Q. references are popping up everywhere. Visitors to the White House website are now asked whether they want to provide their pronouns when they fill out a contact form: she/her, he/him or they/them.
 

On one hand, the fatality rate is close to zero. On the other hand, it is going to depopulate the world.
 

With Russian columnists and RT.com enthusiastically supporting Trump

I have news for you. :-)

Putin says Hunter Biden ‘made very good money’ in Ukraine, but Moscow isn’t aware of ‘anything criminal’ in his dealings with Kiev (RT)

Russia's Putin appears to defend Hunter Biden business dealings in Ukraine: 'I don't see anything criminal' (Fox)

RT.com stopped living up to its "question more" motto long ago when it became anti-"conspiracist" to be able to operate in the US/UK market. There was a time where they allowed people to openly question the BS 9/11 script of the US regime for an example. Despite it being an established fact that the regimes dominated by Ziocorporate terrorist globalism conspire to destroy nations, like in Iraq's case, or to spite and attack rivals like the recent OPCW conspiracy against Syria/Russia, allowing the questioning of such things would've inevitably led to questioning other historical points of controversy like the "Holocaust" and the role of Western banksters, industrialists and financiers and Zionist Bolsheviks in setting it all in motion, which is central to the Allied dogma on WW2. All in all, it would harm the Kremlin's policy of "business and partnership" with US/EU, so it's better to let it turn into an open forum for opinions of the fake circus reality show that's US "democracy/elections".

Replies: @Alfred

"If Trump’s control of anarchy in his second term equals that of his first—no control as, for example, he was trapped in the White House while the mob vandalized a statue just across the street and set fire to the church, with later looting and arson being unopposed across the country—we would get better results by electing Tinker Belle."
 

"The Empire firmly controls Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, and Australia, controls Europe nearly as firmly, has forced the world to stop trading with Iran against the wishes of everybody else..."
 

You’re not American, Fred.

Fuck off and be happy in Mexico.

Thanks in advance.

Replies: @Biff

What is the cure? What specific, concrete policy do we need to follow?
 

What is the cure? What specific, concrete policy do we need to follow?
 

What's this "we" business, anyway? What "policy" do rats leaving a sinking ship follow? That policy seems to work for some and if some reports are credible, that's what's happening in many big cities in the US as we type.

That's one, of many, possible courses an individual can take but it ain't a cure and I doubt if there is one, especially one acceptable to the vast majority.

Hey Fred!

Am mindful of the supreme Zionist Divide & Conquer strategy.

So, all those places are as safe as Mexico?

Right?

http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/102010/all_the_cops_in_town_have_quit.jpg

Replies: @neutral, @Tor597

I agree with Fred.

If we are to carve out some of the problematic low IQ groups that are known for trouble, shouldn't we send back or block Irish and Italian immigrants from coming to America in addition to Latinos as many white nationalists want to do?

People used to say the same thing about Italians and the Irish as they are now saying about hispanics but it looks like these lower iq whites did just fine.

Replies: @Robert Dolan

Grand, but this is not relevant to the question of whether they should be allowed in the United States or not. In my view, only white people can be Americans. Once Americans lose the demographic high ground; you'll see a very different side to these "friendly", "civil" people. However, the complacent s-heads who created this problems in the 1960's; won't have to live very long with the consequences of their complacency.

Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert

Racialists sometimes seem to be uniquely unfamiliar withi heir subject.
 

You found the Mexicans to be intelligent, Fred? Any explanation as to why Mexican populations show that intelligence neither here nor in Mexico? Why they routinely test near the bottom of international comparisons and in the U.S. near the bottom of U.S. groups, and why real-world results show those test scores are valid.

Yes, Mexicans and other third-world Hispanics aren't blacks. But neither are they whites or East Asians. We don't find many Hispanic engineers, computer programers, doctors, or even business owners beyond those operating struggling Tex-Mex restaurants and mercados that really nobody wants or needs outside the Mexican community.

Ron likes to talk about the wonderful vibrancy of Hispanics in the Silicon Valley, but that vibrancy is pretty much restricted to janitorial services and those Tex-Mex restaurants you find so emblematic of Mexican entrepreneurship. I can think of many East and Southerners Asians who own and operate the cutting-edge companies in the South Bay and Peninsula; I can't think of single Hispanic who does.

As for violence in Mexico, are you kidding me? The Mexicans are killing each other off at rates that would make any homicidal American black proud. And many Central American countries outdo even Mexico at killing each other. And the violence is usually quite florid. Why just put a bullet to the head when you can cut off the head? Thank God that violence has until now managed to stay in Mexico and not crossed the border, but it clearly shows what Hispanics in that part of the world are capable of when they put their mind to it.

Do you have some theory about what went wrong with the Hispanics of Albuquerque?

https://twitter.com/gcochran99/status/1285836518028800002

Remind me, what’s the Mestizo-White SAT gap?

I have a relative that teaches in a small town (West Coast) public school that has seen a huge influx of Mexican immigrants over the last few decades. Their academic performance is abysmal, to say the least. And this is compared to the local rural White population. This relative has also taught immigrant Chinese - ie this is NOT a language-barrier issue. (Again, national testing stats are clear on this - “let me Google that for you”). And yes, she also says that her Mexican students are overwhelmingly well behaved and very respectful. Fine. But they won’t build a first rate Western economy. I’ll be the first to admit that (drug wars aside) Mexico ain’t that bad, even in my very limited experience as a gringo tourist. But they do not have enough high IQ people for American-level innovation. I worked in the Bay Area for many years. Lots of nice Mexicans, but tech is driven almost exclusively by Whites and high IQ Asians and Hindus. (We had a sole Mexican in accounting, and like 50 making us lunch).

Mestizos ain’t Black, but they’re not White either.

Well, Fred,
My ophthalmologist, Dr. Mark Schneider, is a graduate of U. of Guadalajara Medical School.
He has received numerous awards over many years in practice here in SoCal.
I am about to let him carve on my one "good(?)" eyeball.
Wish me luck..

I see you’re catching a lot of flak for your post, but what others don’t understand, is that there is more than one demographic to the Mexican population; in fact, maybe dozens. The educated middle class Mexican people with deep seated roots in their communities be it Mexico or the U.S.(people you seem to identify with) are a much different demographic group than the poor, severely un-educated, drifting immigrant that so many of your detractors refer too, but this is what racists are inclined to do - they see the racial features and lump all groups into their very narrow understanding of the entire demographic spectrum.

Until a person lives within that population and learns all the different variables of said society(something that takes years) they have little chance of understanding the dynamics involved. In essence, they don’t know, that they don’t know what they are talking about.

Replies: @Pincher Martin

The bioweapons people who would have had to design the virus would have known...(B) that America was not prepared to deal with it.
 

Replies: @Parfois1

The bioweapons people who would have had to design the virus would have known (a) that it would immediately come back to America on the hundreds of weekly flight, and (b) that America was not prepared to deal with it. Is this an unreasonable question?

 

More generally you seem to be asking your questions on the basis that the USG and/or its controllers are persons of sound mind, or that they would even care about the suffering inflicted on the US masses. I would suggest, that by now you ought to have been disillusioned, on both these points and for some considerable time at that.

"...A matter I would appreciate having discussed: The bioweapons people who would have had to design the virus would have known (a) that it would immediately come back to America on the hundreds of weekly flight, and (B) that America was not prepared to deal with it. .."

I'll discuss it. The Jews did it and they don't care how many bodies they pile up. They are the only ones that benefit. They punished China for working with Iran, spread it to Iran and got their banking buddies free cash to the tune of trillions.

s soon as you avail yourself of the possibility of the "idea" that the Jews have a large mass of psychopaths in their population then you begin to see events in a totally different way. I'm not saying every single Jew is a psychopath but I am saying that there is no measurable difference between a bunch of Jews moving to your country and a tribe of psychopaths. This with a little minor study has been the case for thousands of years. It's also been the case that the special pleadings of the Jews are in no way different from psychopaths and their actions are the same also in aggregate.

Please could you summarise the article's criticisms of HBD, just to prove you actually read it.

I've reached my limit on "Thanks," but thank you for stopping by. This was an Isaiah's Job, and you were specifically among the remnant I had in mind.

No logical cohesive theory was put forth by the author! HBD is science not religion or philosophy! Religion and philosophy are not VERIFIABLE! Your comment is as meaningless and pointless as the article! If you are not going to deal with HBD in strictly scientific terms you are not to be taken seriously!

That would be a shattering admission that the American wave was receding. Where would it begin
 

How fast would it go, and how far?
 

You can still see it here:

https://banned.video/watch?id=5ea4994ea881fd00808e95ad

*assuming the decision makers give any fuck for the prolls. Not that Nero was in Rome to watch Rome burn, but as a bad joke - like Nero watching Rome burn!

Not only does it make sense to release this into China fully knowing that America is vulnerable, it is actually a prerequisite for a successful American operation.

If American was not gravely hurt by Corona Virus there would be only mild interest in taking on China militarily or economically.

Also, the elites in America aren't harmed at all. They will in fact come out ahead of this since they were bailed out. The stock market was a bubble anyways, but now instead of collapsing and taking the hit they get to blame Corona Virus and get bailed out.

Hi Fred. Having found you once more in sheer boring common sense mode may I ask for your informed insights into what it would have taken for some totally loose cannon in the US bio warfare/defense community to have achieved what has happened? Your weighting of the probabilities on aspects of the possible scenarios would be of special value. Your starting points would be just one, two, three and four co-conspirators would it not (WAGs not included)? Any more and your probability of running into mundane sanity would be 99% despite the Jim Jones and Waco experiences???

If anyone knows where Irving’s book can be found in electronic format, I would be grateful to know where.

I had the same problem. I am traveling and I cannot carry books around with me.

I suspect the Zionists have also removed it from all libraries. It is a common tactic.

On Amazon.com, the first volume is priced at $125 hardcover and $662 paperback. Strange.

Churchill's War, Volume One : The Struggle for Power (1987)

Irving went to Imperial College to study physics. Luckily for us, he was unable to remain as he could not afford it. He was obliged to leave without qualifying. So different from that Ferguson scumbag. A different generation with a different set of values.

Replies: @Jack McArthur

You can download Irving's books at
Library Genesis
Libgen.is

Then you can convert the PDF's using
Calibre to kindle format

The Internet Archive has all of Irving’s book in PDF format. You can download all of them here:

https://archive.org/details/DavidIrvingHistorianAndPoliticalPrisonerBorn19381/mode/2up

You are the tedious one (and I hate comment bickering) Derb has been nothing but a gentleman to you. I trust his learned judgment a million times over your we Todd id, incoherent rants.

Do you really believe that in America blacks are being harassed in "ghettos"? Whites don't care about "ghettos", would leave them to the blacks and never look back. The problem is your black criminals leaving the "ghetto" to do mayhem to the law abiding. You should spend a day or two looking into the stats about the enormous number of violent crimes committed by blacks throughout the US, before you start defending them like some lily-White liberal from the 60s who only knew blacks from TV and the movies.

You can't be the Fred Reed who writes at Unz, that guy at least has a little common sense, or at least I though he did.

Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Godfree Roberts, @Jeff Stryker

Mr. Reed, I didn't not mash [AGREE] out of spite, as I just don't think you've read enough John Derbyshire. I think you are partially right, but I also know that he knows a whole lot about China. I have been there 11 times, and spoken to lots of Chinese people frankly. I enjoyed your first 2 columns about what you saw on your recent trip there - those 2 are were some good reporting.

I am very sorry about your eyesight. I did read your recent column and didn't know what to say yet. No matter how much I disagree, I do think you write well and enjoy writing. I hope you can figure out a way to handle this.

And your straw-hombres are equally tedious, Kiko.

Please stay in Mexico with all the Mexican rapists and drug dealers you swear don't exist but whom you also think are such harder worker than Americans, ya traitorous bitch.

I am puzzled ...
While the media and politicians promote the sensational, do we really believe that the great majority of epidemiologists, scientists all, are knowingly promoting a scare that threatens to cripple economies?
 

I am puzzled by your puzzlement. Stocking up on toilet paper in Mexico, of all places, would seem to be as prudent as remembering not to breathe underwater.

I am no authority.
 

Why did the Chinese respond so drastically to what appears to be little more than normal flu?
 

Most confusing.
 

"Doubters make interesting points, yet…are the reports of trucks carrying large numbers of dead in Italy,"

The argument for the lockdown is not the small number of deaths but the growth rate coupled with the claim that hospital ventilator machines are a kind of choke point.

Here are some back of the envelope calcs that imply so far the death numbers are not unusual.

The CIA says estimates that there will be 10.7 x 62,402,659 /1000 = 667,708 in 2020 using I assume pre corona data.
62,402,659 (July 2020 est.)
10.7 deaths/1,000 population (2020 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/it.html

To date in Italy it is claimed 10,000 Covid deaths and probably more like 5000 when the trucks claim was made. So maybe covid resulted at that point in 1% extra deaths.

There was no need to bring in the military to move a few extra corpses except maybe the lockdown or hysteria meant they could not hire properly refrigerated trucks.

LiveLeak is not considered reliable but this post shows the trucks and claims 30 trucks carried 70 coffins.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=9daF8_1584588554

NYC has so far had 517 total covid deaths. The refrigerated trucks might be in preparation for what is to predicted to come, but they have not been filled.

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths.pdf

Back to the real issues growth rate, the doubling time of the death rate is said to be about 3 days, which implies a huge number. 30 days would be 10 doublings or about 1000 times. So in a month NYC should see 517x1000=517,000 deaths.

reports of trucks carrying large numbers of dead in Italy
 

kill perhaps a million of the French to make money
 

Replies: @Alfred

What's the matter, Freddie Boy? I guess too many hot tamales last night ... that's what you get when you start munching on the wrong things.

Actually it is fun stirring them up,and I confess to minor sadism in doing so.
 

Ha, earlier today when I read this column, with no time for a real reply, I had you, Mr. Reed in mind. Do you feel in good company with the pundit class, looking down on these deranged commenters that pester you so? Have you not noticed that lots of them are quite a bit smarter than you are, or are you just skimming for the cusswords?

It's not that it's fun, but I'm sure you all get lots of more page views, which Mr. Unz likes, when you have long, argumentative comment threads. (It's not linear either - often the last 50 comments are 5 people arguing, and checking the page every 1/2 hour - "let me see if that asshole wrote back!") Hey, I'm a part of this, I'll admit right here.

What I'm gonna do in a few minutes is post my impression (yes, I do impressions too) of Fred Reed and his bit about railing on all problems and all people who get off their asses to try to solve said problems. But, he is a clever gonzo journalisto, so that's just what he does. Stupidity is right there in the job description.

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PS: I'm sure if any actual Mensa member, like the Authentic Jazz Man, wrote back, you'd have an insult about that too.

Found it. The question is: are you sadistic enough to read it?

[Fred Reed mode] America is decaying. There is no unified American culture anymore. There are lots of people mixed together from all over the world. There are bad ignorant Americans that are trying to prevent people from coming in from all over the world. Things don’t work well anymore. The new foreigners are better than those ignorant foreigner-hating Americans at working. America has changed for the worse from back when I was a kid when it was 90% white.

Trump is a clown. The TV news that I watch all day is full of people criticizing the President for everything and making fun of him. TV sucks. Americans should see how bad their country is on the TV. Trump wants a wall built. Bad ignorant Americans want a border barrier built. Walls don’t work. Americans just don’t want we Mexicans to assimilate and exchange bodily fluids with them. Mexicans don’t want to assimilate and be part of the crass, new, sick American culture that I watch on TV. Mexican culture is better and we have great engineering schools and gated communities. Mexico is better, so Mexicans don’t want to go to America. There is no need for a wall, but they don’t work anyway. Bodily fluids! [/Fred Reed mode]
 

Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso

My only question is whether Bolton and Pompeo are stupid enough not to realize that the virus would end up in the US, where it is wreaking hell.
 

Fred, my opinion is that the US wants the outbreak to spread here and through the world.

The main motive would be to cause an outbreak that is so devastating that the whole world turns against China. If America was spared from harm, there would be no motive to despise the Chinese.

There is no other reason to explain why the US botched things so throughly. Why would Trump not want to heavily test or crack down on public gatherings?

He could easily put the blame on China. But now that he and suspiciously the UK choose to just let it happen, that time has passed.

This is similar to 9/11. It required the sacrifice of over 3,000 American lives. Once you cross that path, this is not much of a leap.

Replies: @Ron Unz

Well Fred, having done some hard work yourself to mock and discredit those people who have questioned the official narratives of some important events that paved the way for this, by labelling them as conspiracy theorists, I would say that you've been complicit in this outcome. The term useful idiot comes to mind...

US Commerce Secretary is on record stating that he believed that the "Wuhan Virus" will benefit US by causing the global supply chain to shift to the US. What kind of briefing did he get?

This point seems to have been forgotten. Or is my memory 'faulty' aka Mandela Effect.

My only question is whether Bolton and Pompeo are stupid enough not to realize that the virus would end up in the US...
 

Replies: @9/11 Inside job

Many Men of UNZ believe the Miles Mathis website.

It is no conspiracy theory that blacks in Tuskegee and Guatemalans by the US government. It has been admitted... It is fact.

Replies: @9/11 Inside job

This sounds like the birthing of a conspiracy theory.
 

"Switch off" or "disappear" amounts to exactly the same, unless one is an automation engineer trying to be pedantic.

Does [Mr Giraldi] know anythng about elctronic warfare? This sounds like the birthing of a conspiracy theory.
 

Replies: @Wally, @Ilyana_Rozumova, @Jeshurun Tsarfat

Don't be silly. Conspiracies don't exist, especially in freedom loving democracies. What are you doing here anyway? Shouldn't you be reading the New York Times or the New Yorker where you will learn the truth? Stick to your own kind.

“ .. conspiracy theory.”

Your 65th comment on TUR, yet none under your own columns, where you also like to call names (“Truther,” etc.) and then slink off.

Seriously, Mr. Reed, what the hell?

plus:

Anti-Regime Protests by University Students in Tehran Over the Downing of Ukrainian Plane
https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/iran-protests/27206-anti-regime-protests-by-university-students-in-tehran-over-the-downing-of-ukrainian-plane

Since neither would have occurred without the military aggressiveness of America, the US is culpable for both
 

Replies: @Sean, @Parfois1

The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was a direct result of a deliberate attack on a misidentified craft - a mere substitution of imaginary heroes with imaginary enemies. If you don't agree perhaps you need medication.

The masters just staged a false flag but that's only the start of the ill effects. The entire conversation is now filled with illogical realities delivered by the usual suspects on social media.

Of whom, you would fall into the former, Fred "La Raza" Reed. However, many on the Dissident Right would likely settle for partitioning the country, allowing everyone to go their separate ways. Do you think the same applies to SJWs?

Waaaay better. I found that breakout a few years ago and sent it to my (Australian, hem, hem) brothers who felt thoroughly justified in continuing to send boat people back to wherever they came from. I will try to dig it up.

Steve Sailer just wrote about it: https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-new-2018-pisa-school-test-scores-usa-usa/

"U.S. white students outscored Japan and South Korea."

https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1202722271418146817

Replies: @AaronB, @Jackjack, @Anon, @Anon, @Anon

This is all a semantic confusion stemming from epistemic inattention and ontological neglect. What is IQ and in what sense does it exist because the only thing that we can be sure is that a specific individual took the so-called IQ test that yielded an IQ score. So it is possible that Juan Sanchez, your neighbor took an IQ test in 1987 and he had IQ score of X. Karlins of this world would like us to believe that this X is something that exists thereafter and can be called IQ of Juan Sanchez however all that is known for sure is that Juan Sanchez in 1987 scored X on IQ test. The semantic confusion is solidified by careless linguistic usage. What phrases does IQ appear in? These phrases are trying to smuggle in and solidify properties of IQ that actually do not exist. This is when the construction of social reality begins. The constructors might be huckster or true believers themselves being the victims of hucksterism.

I think they should call it welfare - for the rich and the not rich

It has a dangerous set of nukes. The tripwires are and have always been easy-sinkers like our surface ships. The psychos that run our policy have subs and silos with missiles with lots of nukes.

It's a dangerous game to consider a dopey thought like that Fred. Bet your ass Russia sees plenty of military here to defend against. Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, to them it was impossible, we killed millions. There's enough military here that Israel wants and has harnessed it. In what universe do you reside Fred? Ah yes, the moon name of Tequila. Fred? Go drink something. Jesus.

America's only need is to defend against itself.

Bravo to Ron Unz for posting this piece
 

The puzzle of low IQ test score despite normal functional intelligence among those of African origin does not seem much of a puzzle in light of the Flynn effect, i.e., the fact that Europeans of two generations ago had mean IQ test scores of around 70 by today's standard.

What that means is that IQ test scores are not a measure of innate intelligence, but of some small subsgroup of the faculties that constitute intelligence as modified by culture, whether Igbo, Luo, or that of US inner city blacks, or the white Harvard scholar's farm-boy ancestors of two generations ago.

Chanda Chisala does a good job of deconstructing the convoluted HBD explanation for superior immigrant black academic performance, but for those simply curious to know how come those dumb niggers are outperforming we bright whites the explanation is fairly simple.

Africans ain't dumb, they just live in a culture that yields low IQ test scores, just like the grandparents of the current generation of bright whites. But the difference between this generation of whites and their grandparents is no more genetically determined or, more importantly, indicative of a difference in intelligence, than in the case of the difference in IQ test scores between present day African and English children.

That accepted, it is easy to understand why African kids in England do better at school, on average, than the English. They are the children of migrants and migrants of any origin will be among the more energetic, motivated, and physically and mentally fit than the average for their population. Therefore, African immigrants to Europe, originating as they do from populations with the same basic intelligence as Europeans, will be somewhat above the European average intelligence.

Moreover, because they are drawn from a population that is innately more or less as intelligent as the European population, their children's intelligence will regress to a mean that is similar to the European mean. That means that despite regression to the mean, the children of African immigrants will tend to have IQ's and corresponding academic performance somewhat above the mean for the indigenous population.

Replies: @GS

Fred easily nullifies decades of research statistics by personal experience - we all know that, and it's great that such people like you exist, Frank What would humanity be without its rare geniuses. It's a pity th method only works for those easily impressed by verbal redundancy vectors.
Descriptions like "sharp" and "cogent" are also much more sexily didactic than dry numbers IQ science produces. In any case Chandala is a regular contributor to this site and his theory has been around for awhile (@Bardon).
Onward, Fred ! Give everything.
You just proved beyond any doubt that "IQ theory is shaky."
I wonder what will be next in the series.

Replies: @CanSpeccy

American blacks are very fluent. They do have a way with words. And the criminals are great talkers as they are skilled at BS ing. But if their IQs were tested at 70, that means they really can’t read or multiply.

Did you ever ask them to read a 4th 5th grade level magazine like People or Ebony? They wouldn’t be able to.

I spoke with thousands of black criminals over the years. They talk and talk and talk. But there’s endless repetition, illogic, wandering and blathering.

Replies: @CanSpeccy

Cool story, bro.

You, of course, are right. Not even Sweden is socialist. Volvo, for example, is a private company. In the United States, even the "defense" contractors on the government dole (the warfare state) are privately owned. What Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders actually favor is not socialism but rather an expanded social welfare system.

Replies: @follyofwar

Socialism= govt. control of the economy.
Of which the subset is:
Fascism = indirect govt. control of the economy i.e. what we have now/corporatism/crony capitalism etc.
Communism = direct govt. ownership of the means of production/companies etc.
IOW college level and high school level socialism.

(HT Tom Rose, Grove City College Economics prof. )

Her expanded welfare state would result in an economic system in which the means of production of more than 50% of the economy would belong to the government. It walks and quacks like a socialist duck, so it doesn't really matter what it's called.

Replies: @Justvisiting

Why don’t people learn what words mean?
 

means of production belong to the government.
 

Replies: @schnellandine

Just as suggesting that differences in racial intelligence exist can end a career, so can questions about the infallibility of doctrinaire evolution. Both arouse cries of pseudoscience and both involve suppression of evidence. Both are a type of political correctness
 

Replies: @Poupon Marx

Fred,
Kindly support your assertion with several examples.

Well... every sector, not only in finance or business but also in "knowledge", tends to be full of, and run by, ambitious people.
Ambitious people love sense of power to begin with, and have a very marked tendency to developed addiction to sense power once they meet some success.

Now you see... sense of power, in turn, is addicted to "being right"... so the people who love to "be right" will join the mainstream/majority group, whenever and about whatever. And of course sense of power demands that they demean anyone questioning what they claim is true... which, for the way their ambition makes things be for them, is an attack to their ego, personal worth, or to use the same words as before, sense of power.

It is mostly all about that, thus most debates and discussions about even academic subjects are a form of wrestling suiting a particular subset of people.
Look into the etymology of words like "debate" (beat, batter, abate, ...), discuss (concuss, ...), they already warn us about what it is, mostly, about.
And indeed, debates are "won" by someone and "lost" by someone else, aren't they?

Replies: @CanSpeccy

[Sincere apologies for the off-topic]

Hello Fred!

I was just thinking and talking about you the other day. I'm sure that you can help assist us in answering some mysteries about Mexican safety and advancement. Please note the below:

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/el-chapos-cartel-launches-military-style-assault-on-mexican-forces-securing-his-sons-release-from-custody

There was a bit of analysis here:

https://claireberlinski.substack.com/p/on-mexican-state-collapse-a-guest

Perhaps you could help us understand this particular evolution of a hihgly intelligent, civilized people and rapid approach toward psychoactively fueled anarchy? I particularly wish to understand how mass illegal entry by the same stock of population will help contribute to the stability and sanity of Brazil Del Nort...oops, I meant America. Your unshakable reason and sanity is a breath of Luddite air in this benighted place.

AK: I am sure Fred will be happy to answer that on a separate blog post.

Well, thanks. FWIW I'd put perhaps a 2% chance of the Katechon Hypothesis being correct (I think the banal likeliest scenario is that life really is very rare and improbable).

However, as Robin Hanson has noted, even if chance of a particular future scenario is low, it's still worth looking at it closely given the numbers of future lives that it would affect.

Pretty easy Fred, 9/11 needed to be based around the central core not all over the building, which is where the lifts were. Just make it look like maintenance.

Your Chaimstream version of 9-11 bankrupted all demolition companies, because that day proved that all one needs to drop a building into its foundational footprint is a simple office fire with papers, an accelerant, and a couple hours. There is nothing a demolition company does that cannot be accomplished much more easily and economically by an arsonist with a match.

Replies: @Iris

explain how the buildings were rigged
 

Replies: @Anon, @vagabondtheelder, @2stateshmustate

The elevator shafts offered easy access to the core columns. People who worked in the Towers were heavily inconvenienced by the unusual amount of "elevator work" that transpired in 2001. A minor and allegedly mobbed up elevator company called Ace Elevator, rather than the standard big companies, did the work. Highly suspicious details are at http://aneta.org/911experiments_com/AceElevator/ .

Replies: @Zumbuddi, @Desert Fox, @Saggy

Something people may not have connected, when the World Trade Center was truckbombed in 1993
the same culprits were no doubt involved.
I don’t know if my understanding is incorrect, wasn’t the whole place shut down ( closed)for almost a whole year? This was for maintenance ,repairs ,safety . I could be wrong ,but this would provide ample time to wire the buildings for demolition. Only thing after that is a little patience.

It’s also true that our enemies definitely are playing a long game. They have patience , it’s ours that is getting short.

"A crucial step in removing the Nine-Eleven conspiracy from the crackpot ledger would be to explain how the buildings were rigged for demo without it being noticed. This would require knowing something about controlled demolition. If the truthers do not demonstrate plausibility, reasonable people will assume that they cannot."

You do not need to know anything about commercial controlled demolition in order to produce an explanation that is better than the official explanation and explains your concerns. All you need to know is a well-known military pioneer trick that all armies know.

We start from this that you support the official theory: thus you believe that if one floor in a WTC building burns because of the airplane crash, the fire weakens steel pillars and the result is the collapse that was seen. So, let us assume fire can weaken pillars and the building then crashes down, but let us assume the fire was not jet fuel and office stuff burning but that it was made by placing to one floor incendiatory devices next to steel columns. As this is an old way military brings down power lines, the expertise (the little of it what is needed here) was easy to find. It requires only a few men, a number of incenditory devices and little time. Assuming that the official theory that fire can bring down the building just as was seen in the videos, this modification can do it just as or better well as a plane. As you can calculate the burning time and energy, you get all columns to collapse at the same time. Additionally you have enough material that burns with a very high temperature to explain the high temperatures of Ground Zero.

Replies: @ploni almoni

That's easy...anyone who knows anything about building maintenance is aware that there are all kinds of "maintenance people" running around in any large building, and that they remain relatively unnoticed.
Not "rocket science"...

“There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact.”
― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Boscombe Valley Mystery

“How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?” ― Arthur Conan Doyle, The Sign of Four

“Crime is common. Logic is rare. Therefore it is upon the logic rather than upon the crime that you should dwell.”
― Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, The Adventure of the Copper Beeches

“A crucial step in removing the Nine-Eleven conspiracy from the crackpot ledger would be to explain how the buildings were rigged for demo without it being noticed.”

One thing is certain. It wasn’t Klingons. Claims 15 of 19 “swarthy humanoids characterized by prideful ruthlessness and brutality” are long disproved, another shameful Deep State red herring. It/they/whatever never happened.

Hint: check out Romulans. Arch-enemies of the Federation. The cloaking device is key (nudge/nudge/wink/wink).

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+romulan+cloaking+device&view=detail&mid=D0146C7DFB27C4839228D0146C7DFB27C4839228&FORM=VIRE

“It will be our secret.” Enough said.

Meanwhile, send your dollars to Richard Gage and ae911truth. His website’s a going concern. 3122 architects and engineers so far, in eighteen (18) years. Of 933,554 architects and engineers in the US [113,554 RAs + 820,000 PEs - source NCARB, NCEES].

Sure, 99.65% haven’t signed his petition. They’re unpatriotic shills, part of the conspiracy, (whisper) Romulans (?).

Critics say it’s even worse. Many listed in Gage’s list aren’t licensed professionals, un-credentialed (have no standing) in the USA. So what? Can any doubt their (expertise)?

Not to worry. “Anyone who knows anything about building maintenance” knows “all kinds of “maintenance people” run “around in any large building” and “remain relatively unnoticed”. Inside tenant space? At grade mining freestanding columns?

Also “elevator shafts offered easy access to the core columns” and “A minor and allegedly mobbed up elevator company called Ace Elevator, rather than the standard big companies, did the work”.

Golly. How many core columns (toilet rooms, utility shafts, stairwells, etc.) weren’t accessible from elevator shafts? No matter.

It’s the thought that counts.

A crucial step in removing the Nine-Eleven conspiracy from the crackpot ledger would be to explain how the buildings were rigged for demo without it being noticed.
 

Replies: @ploni almoni

Except that the WTC was closed while "elevator repairs were being done".

Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis

Wasn’t exactly the same parody of logic (practically word to word) aired in a quite recent
article here ?
With the same reasoning similar to “This man definitely died from repeatedly
(9 times) slipping on a banana peel and falling on a sharp kitchen knife. Any other
version is a conspiracy theory by definition, unless approved by the authors of
"banana version"...
I understand, it’s not an easy task to sell the ears of a dead donkey as a bouquet of roses,
but shouldn’t you guys at least try to diversify your efforts ?
For example, once in a while, try to justify a pure nonsense related to physics or math by
insisting that under certain extreme circumstances (like in times of war) sin(X) may
reach values of 2, 3, or even higher...
That may also be a good training for inevitably and fast approaching need to explain a
lot of things, related not so much to the physics of events (including 9/11) but to their
math. You may start practicing already by adding up “WTC2, 10:05am + ... + ...”.

After you shat the cognitive bed in your recent article, why would anyone bother?

Ask Revusky. You'll bond like brothers.

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Do you get paid to be stupid, or are you doing it out of the goodness of your heart?

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Explosives were planted in the three buildings weeks before 9/11. On that date the explosives were detonated and the buildings were destroyed. That's how it was done.

' It is like Muslims insisting that Allah is the one true god.'

'Allah' is merely the Arabic word for 'God.' For example, the people of Malta are Christian but speak an Arabic language. They call God 'Allah.'

So yeah; Allah is the one true God. God is God. It's not a particularly controversial idea.

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The journalist "Saker"whose reference and evidence is a hyperlink back to his OWN opinion piece on his website.

Further, any reporting that starts with: A New Jersey housewife saw.... No vetting required there!

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. None is proffered.

Saddam's Iraq was stridently secular, and posed no immediate danger to Israel. Saddam kept his boot on the Shia neck. This pleased Israel. Same with Afghanistan. To frame Iran as the perpetrators of 9/11- that would have some traction. But was not the case.

To be sure- real Moussad agents would never be seen, caught or interviewed. They are deadly ghosts.

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I presume you mean Ignore all of the evidence and format the circumstances into bits of mother Hubbard's wisdom, and twist and crank the wisdom-bits into "practical terms"? I think it necessary for you to tell us (define in no uncertain terms what you mean by "practical terms"). Until now, I was unaware that fake news is one of many methods used to repress evidence. Apparently evidence is shred into practical terms and packed into fake news and fake histories?

What could be more pragmatic then that the evidence does not support the official story.. in fact it supports the beginning of an outcome which is still worsening: homeland security, spying on everyone, government in secret, selected removable of websites that prevent facts that contract official lies, a privately owned public media, a court system that operates in secret.. three and four letter agencies that amount to nothing, but corrupt bastards, and federalism enforced by an army instead of integrated, negotiated compliance..wars that have no meaning but to loot the invaded nation, regime changes in foreign lands that benefit absolutely no governed American, missing trillions in government contract areas, and on and on.. if you do a look back to 9/11 your see in practical terms the outcome of 9/11.. so now we look at
who benefits from such draconian uncalled for and unjustified set of outcomes. and the only suspects the evidence suggest thus far seem to be bankers and the corporations in several nations. Virtually cleared by the evidence are Iraq, Russia, China, Iran, Georgia, Ukraine, Cuba, Libya, Santa Claus, Afghanistan, Pakistan, South Africa, Syria, or Venezuela Now it could be someone else..maybe some guy on the moon but no evidence has surfaced yet to add any one else to possible suspect list. One point, there are many corporations that should be on the possible suspect list, people tend to name countries instead of corporations by name..

and to answer how it could have been done in practical terms three things come to mind.
1. if the airplanes were autopilot driven decoy drones <=explains how
fake pilots got past the security gates (no pilots, no gate security)
and how the planes did maneuvers in excessive G-forces and survived
2. if the planes that hit the buildings were mere decoy's time to hide demolition;
professor Jones, a physicist " the best job of building demolition he had seen (sulfur cutter tools &
explosives were used). even explains how the building that contained all of the records that would
explain missing trillions (a building not even hit by a plane, was still taken down as well).
3. if the private media, military and government officials were complicit ...

The following link is fairly detailed and cites numerous sources. A good primer, all in all: https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

Why do those purporting to believe that Nine Eleven was an Israeli plot never make even a minor effort to explain in practical terms how it could have been done?
 

Fred Reed: "Unsupported assertion..."
__vs.__
Dr. Alan Sabroski (former Director at US Army War College): "The U.S. military knows that Israel did 9/11, and if the American people ever figure this out, they will scrub Israel off the Earth, and they should!"

The 9/11, without any doubt was a FALSE FLAG OPERATION designed and implemented by the zionist neocons, Bush regime and Israel. NO DOUBT.

The criminal neocons and zionist Bush appointed another zionist Jew, Henry Kissinger, to deceive the dummies and bury the truth about 9/11 where carried out by Bush regime and Israel.

[The White House insisted that it was to appoint the commission's chair, leading some to question the commission's "independence". The initial person appointed to head the commission, Henry Kissinger, has been accused by many of having been involved in past government coverups in South America (specifically, the overthrow of the Allende government in Chile), and of having on-going business relationships with members of the bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia. ]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_9/11_Commission

Whoever is trying to make people to believe the Jewish mafia hoax story, 19 Arab men with box opener, is either a dummy or the agent of the Jewish mafia mass murderers.

Death to zionist mass murderers and its extension. People are NOT dumb. You will be destroyed soon. You existence is nothing but evil. Only dumb people accept the story of the zionist mass murderers and their stooges.

MAJORITY OF THE US AIRPORTS ARE UNDER MOSAD CONTROL like the treasury, intelligence, presidency, congress, media, casino, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, organ trafficking, sport & games, Hollywood, music, 'fashion' and whore houses. Real Estate is becoming Jewish mafia control. Capitalism, usury, and slave trade, Drug trade are all Jewish where is the base of the Jewish mafia power. This base must be destroyed.

READ The jews and Modern Capitalism by Werner Sombart

https://socialsciences.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/sombart/jews.pdf

Trump family is owned by the criminal Jewish mafia and Trump is a member of criminal Jewish mafia. He is directed and led by zionist Jews at the WH. He is an illiterate zionist, advised by the criminal Jewish zionists.

He let to the WH by the Jewish mafia bankers, lawyers, sex offenders, pimps, and casino owners.
Only dummies support him.

Now this is an idiotic line of defense as no other:

Judge: your story is bullshit, much of the available evidence flies in the face of it. I don't believe this is how it all happened.

Counselor Reed: Now judge, explain then in "practical terms" how it could have been done?

Judge: Go fuck yourself dummy shill. It is not the work of a judge to come up with hypotheses.

Counselor Reed goes home and, from then on, writes one idiotic post about "conspiracy theories" twice a year because he still does not understand, retard as he is, that the work of a judge or a researcher is not to come up with alternative hypotheses, but to examine the evidence and to determine which entity was more likely to commit the crime, be it because of geopolitical gains (Israel) revenge (Iraq fired 42 scud missiles, 40 feet tall and 11k lbs each to Israel in 1991) circumstancial evidence (mossad operatives arrested driving vans to which explosive trained dogs reacted on inspection, mossad operatives ready to film before the planes crashed on a roof, arrested for 2 months and quetly released and deported etc) or declarations of an Italian ex president (Cossiga) in an Italian most read newspaper, that 911 was joint CIA-Mossad operation.

Israel did it? Could be

Is there solid proof of it? Nope

Is there *reason* to believe Mossad operatives could have played a part in the operation? YES

Am I supposed to speculate about how big of a role they played, their motivations and a detailed description of their MO so you, Fred Reed-tard can dismiss the whole thing as unbelievable balooney? No, you manchild retard, no need to do that.

Did I just read correctly you think people who claim Mossad behind 9/11 to have no proof?
Seriously?
Jew control of all western nations, their politicians, security services, academia, msm.....I could name more. In fact why bother as I'd only be regurgitating what's been stated already.
However there are three overwhelming pieces of evidence that prove Israeli involvement.

1. Five "Dancing", Israelis, set up cameras, pointing at the towers long before the attacks and on Israeli TV stated "we were there to DOCUMENT THE EVENT" proving foreknowledge. The fact they were extradited to Israel in the first place proves Jewish power and not only that, had it been any other country, where these men went on national TV and said what they did, the USA would have bombed them immediately.

2. A group of Mossad agents, disguised as artists, just happened to rent out whole floors in one of the Towers, where the planes hit. Pictures taken, by them, show them in construction gear, in front of hundreds of boxes with a code on, in the business known to be DETONATION TRIGGERS! They were extradited back to Israel. Like the above point shows INSANE Jewish power to have them released and forgotten about. Again had this been another nation the USA would have bombed them immediately.

3. Israeli texting service texted all Jews not to go to work, in the towers, on 9/11.

All these points would be enough for everyone involved, up on terrorism and mass murder charges, facing the death penalty. The fact all are free and forgotten about shows Jewish control of politics (no one called for these people to be extradited), the police (suspects released), judiciary (no call for trial of suspects), security services (almost non existant investigation whitewashed) and msm (very little reported on the matter.

There are much more obvious points but I really can't be bothered. The afforementioned points are enough. Any law abiding coutry would have arrested these people an most certainly tortured them to find their leaders. Jewish power is the power to stop discussion on Jewish power.

LMAO!

Yay! Fred Reed! Always love your stuff I read at Lew Rockwell's site over many years. Thanks so much, very funny stuff. [And screw all these snotty statist Brits - "bugger off" indeed! ]

Regards, onebornfree

FYI, Derb has been a US Citizen since he took the Oath of Citizenship on April 19, 2002, when I believe he did in fact buy a flag. His wife is also a naturalized US citizen. His children are US citizens, his son served a hitch in the US Army.

He has renounced and abjured all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, etc, etc, including Elizabeth II, the UK, and and especially the EU.

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(1) This is a strawman. No one has constructed an entire case on the assertion that 'Hispanic' crime rates are x% higher than non-Hispanic crime rates (anyway, they are certainly higher than a "White, Vermont" baseline ideal to which the USA was once not far off).

(2) There are many good 'Hispanics' just as there are many good Blacks, but in population terms they are a liability to a (post-)industrial White, Northwest-European-derived society. Our society becomes racially incoherent, culturally Latin Americanized.

(3) The term we should be using is "Mestizos," which may never catch on. A population with a substantial share of Amerindian ancestry will be a liability; true, non-euphemistic 'White Hispanics' much less so. The problem with the latter is they "go Vicente Fox" and become vectors of the Mestizo colonial enterprise in the USA.

(4) Does anyone actually want a scenario by which there are more K-to-12-age Mestizos resident in the USA than White ethnic-core Americans (Northwest European), on target for circa the 2040s? Even if their crime rates were half those of the "White, Vermont baseline"?

Replies: @llloyd, @Old fogey

Mestizo countries are probably the most violent and crime-ridden hellholes on the planet. Doubt you or Ron Unz would relish moving to live with the hoi polloi in Rio de Janeiro. You know what would be great? If the Fed gov was instead used a weapon against your type to settle a cross-section of Somalians in government-funded housing in your areas. See how well that goes for you.

That's the thing, though. Ensconced in a bubble of the Silicon Shtetl, you don't need to see nor care about any of this. You still have enough wealth to pretend things are great by paying a premium to not live near the overwhelming majority of these non-Europeans and hey, maybe even some of the blacks and browns you live around are the talented 0.1% so aren't misery to be around. Great for you. The reality of course is a lot different for the white masses. Ron Unz lives in a highly segregated area where alien elites (mostly east Asian and Brahmin Indians) still tolerate whites but will move to get rid of them and give nepotistic gigs to Sundar Pichai's retarded cousin Pajeet who can't stop asking to show bobs and vegana as soon as possible, if it's not already happening.

When whites are an absolute minority, we already know what we have to look forward to by looking at both South Africa today and what's happening in our countries now. Increasing violence against us, more gradual dispossession, more anti-white race laws and policies, intensifying affirmative action, quotas, set-asides that use Orwellian terminology like "legacy majority" or "majority-minority" "race-conscious admissions) and whatever else they come up with to claim this state of affairs MUST continue indefinitely until the last white man has been murdered or made by the government deciding the winners and losers into an invisible loser unable to attract his own group's women and then there are no more actual whites left, just as the jew writer Eric Kaufmann stated, a bunch of brown people who claim to be white and do a We Wuz The Founding Fathers, We Wuz Englishmen etc. mass of le 56% faces who "identify" with the people who actually created the now-decayed husk of a civilization.

Worse is to come down the pipe, though. The various forms of redistribution from white to non-white can't continue apace indefinitely. So eventually those somewhat pacified Mestizos you think are so peaceful won't be getting as much free stuff to keep them in these better-than-where-they-came-from conditions and then it'll be just like any other central or south American shithole, except that the whites forced to live near them by the government deciding the winners and losers in life won't even be able to raise a finger in self-defense, and will be constantly chased down by government policies to forcibly "diversify" everywhere we live.

I mean look at what's happening now, lawfare-instituted struggle sessions in the courtroom because someone pointed out that this banana-in-a-noose thing was a hoax.

https://apnews.com/51b6ed10e4654426a2855a42ad58ba0d

Think things like this will get better or worse when we have less demographic power and worse than the no political representation we have now? The anti-white policies and rhetoric have been intensifying as we are ethnically cleansed, NOT softening. We have no reason to believe it will and if history is a barometer, every reason to believe it will reach violent genocide levels.

In any case EVEN if--and we know this isn't true, but for the sake of argument--even if these people were all wonderful and it wasn't just wealth transfer from us to them and dispossession into racial genocide, what do we get out of this? Even if they were 100% the same as us and everything carried on, except without us, why is ethnic cleansing a moral good and what do we even get out of this? We know they aren't equal to us in ability and that things won't carry on, obviously, but no one can explain how we and our descendants somehow benefit from any of this. Did we and our ancestors give our blood, sweat and tears and toil away to hand it away to ungrateful foreigners who hate our guts, want us dead and to take our stuff? Probably not.

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Per Hispanic crime rates, we are told people are fleeing Honduras because of high-crime rates. The US State Department warns:

"Since 2010, Honduras has had one of the highest murder rates in the world. Credit card skimming is common. Many people report receiving threatening phone calls or extortion attempts, especially during Christmas and Easter holidays. Gangs are not reluctant to use violence and specialize in murder-for-hire, carjacking, extortion, and other violent street crime. They are also known to control some of the taxi services. Violent transnational criminal organizations also conduct narcotics trafficking and other illicit commerce."

https://www.osac.gov/Pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=23798

So who thinks crossing the US border makes them all saints? Wanted criminals are wise to head north to cross the US border. Those released from prison have records and face police harassment and employment problems, so heading north also makes sense. Any immigrant who arrives penniless will steal what they can to survive. That's why a focus on Hispanic crime rates is misleading. Stats on impoverished illegal immigrant crimes rates of any race would be shocking, but are not publicized for that reason.

If you want a graphic display of Hispanic crime, just look at the current LAPD most wanted list to learn why whites fear Hispanic crime.

http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

As President Trump noted, illegal immigrants are not the best from Latin American nations, but the worst, the unwanted. Latin American nations have shipped their unwanteds to the USA for decades. Our media ignored the recent "caravans" from Central America arrived at the USA on chartered buses, paid for by Mexicans. They are furious that North Americans want this dumping stopped. So is Mr. Reed, who doesn't want these surplus people filling the streets in his nice Mexican retirement town where he lives like king off his monthly government checks from the USA.

Replies: @anon, @Patricus

Does anyone actually want a scenario by which there are more K-to-12-age Mestizos resident in the USA than White ethnic-core Americans (Northwest European), on target for circa the 2040s?
 

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Good points. All Mexicans are open to Mexico being a Chinese and Indian country. They are not affilicted by the racism of whites.

At this point in time, seventeen years after the events of 9/11/2001, there is a huge literature on this event, probably surpassing what existed on the Kennedy assassination at a comparable point in time.

Surely you have read some of it, Mr. Reed. Could you provide a bibliography of the books you have read on the topic and a short precis on why you found a given book convincing (or not)?

Or heck, how about for even one book you tag on the topic? Can you do that?

Well, to put it bluntly, I'm accusing you of intellectual fraud, which should be considered a serious matter and merit a reply.

A failure to reply to this would constitute a tacit admission that my accusation is correct.

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The Nine-Eleven conspiracy theory will remain a fringe curiosity until the CATs show that it was physically possible.
 

For example, most organic explosives (like TNT or nitroglycerin) will burn up without a trace, unlike nanothermite. So, if nanothermite is all we find, that doesn't mean that nothing else was used - but without cooperation from the actual perpetrators, we have no way of knowing what additional explosives may have been used. However, the abundance of nanothermite in the dust clearly proves that explosives were used.

Anyone who, in light of these facts, still honestly believes the official fairy tale is obviously feeble-minded.

Take heart. Two hundred years after Magellan had circumnavigated the world proving it round, 80% of the world's population continued believing it was flat. Some still do.

All you have to do is open your eyes.

do the basic research

Actually, what I will call 'The Duck Law' is perhaps relevant here: 'If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck' -- metaphorically speaking, in the current context WTC-7 is the duck -- re the twin towers: man, for two buildings just supposedly falling down, that was a helluva lot of dust.

If I ever decide to burn my house down to collect insurance money, after publicly going on record telling people that it might happen; after neighbors witness me acting suspiciously beforehand; after neighbors complain of a strong kerosene smell in the area beforehand; after getting caught telling lies and acting suspiciously after the fact; after having the debris hauled away before the state police fire marshal can examine the scene; etc., I want you on the jury when they put me on trial for arson.

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Reed wrote this in Unz on September 15, 2016

https://www.unz.com/freed/legion-of-the-tinfoil-hat/

It was an obvious disinfo attempt to discredit the 9/11 truth movement.
Many readers here on Unz remember it. It destroyed his reputation among many here.

Many commentators here on Unz have different theories as to why Reed is putting out false information on 9/11 as well as his pro Mexican open borders stance.

Well at least things are beginning to turn (not holding my breath), but here is an update to the Lawyer's Committee for 9/11 Inquiry:

Breakthrough: U.S. Attorney Agrees to Present Evidence of World Trade Center Demolition to Federal Grand Jury

Finally, after 17 long years, the 9/11 Truth Movement has opened an avenue to prosecuting those responsible for the shocking destruction of the World Trade Center and the horrible loss of life that resulted.

Last spring, the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry — together with more than a dozen 9/11 family members and with help from AE911Truth — filed a petition with the U.S. Attorney in Manhattan demanding that he present evidence of unprosecuted federal crimes at the World Trade Center to a special grand jury.

Then, in November, came the big news: The U.S. Attorney notified the Lawyers’ Committee in writing that he would comply with the provisions of 18 U.S.C. § 3332 requiring him to relay their report to a special grand jury.

Now the Lawyers’ Committee and AE911Truth need your support so we can work to ensure a thorough and successful grand jury investigation.

https://lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/2018/12/10/10-dec-2018-grand-jury-investigation-project-launches/

 

I view willful ignorance as a subset of stupidity. That's why we call them useful idiots.

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but diversity is always troulbe.
 

The open borders people are not actually stupid. So why do they do it?
 

I have friends in South Africa who tell a horrible story of what goes. MS |3 is almost as bad. Why do the googoos do this? My impression is that they are mad at their parents andthis is their way of getting evern. No?
 

" Why do the googoos do this"

Very simple : Because they are insane, and they are pushing relentlessly towards a communist "Workers paradise", which of course will never manifest, and instead will lead to pandemonia, bloodshed and the end of the US, and westen Europe.

Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro Jazz performer.

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You are growing surprisingly philosophical for someone who's written that philosophy is a disease :).

However, yes: technology and techno-science already rule humans while the latter still think they rule. So, anything that becomes capable of being attempted, will.
The only discrimination is between doing it publicly or unofficially and behind the curtains.

In China, as well as in the US and elsewhere.

Using this logic, why try to stop anything since it's going to happen anyway?

The fact of the matter is that there are serious issues to contend with here and just saying 'it's going to happen anyway so why do anything' doesn't make sense.

Should immoral actions be stopped? Why or why not?

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Regarding Nine-Eleven: Until someone who actually knows anything at all about the Laws of physics shows specifically just how low intensity fires could cause the explosions that produced the collapses all the way to the ground, it will remain just another infantile coincidence theory.

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Regarding the article, been there, done that, have the Court Martial to prove it.

How to Defeat the US Army in Your Underpants
http://thescalpel.net/underpantsl.html

Agree with Fred. Every large controlled demolition I witnessed shows massive explosions at ground level. If that had happened it would have shown on the videos that were taken. In addition no one would have been able to escape from the buildings as hundreds did before the collapse. Why didn't the Empire State building collapse when it was struck by a B-25? The B-25 is about a tenth as large as a Boeing 737 and only carries 600 gallons of fuel fully loaded.

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It is just one of the ridiculous pseudo-arguments of the 9/11-deniers or false-flag-deniers that you demand some explanation that somehow you claim has not been given.

It is totally obvious and undeniable that WTC1, 2 and 7 were destroyed by pre-placed explosives.

Re WTC7 a controlled demolition is the only way a building can “collapse” in free-fall.

Re WTC 1+2 you can SEE and HEAR the demolition in the video footage. Plus constant acceleration an 2/3 of gravity, lateral and upward ejections of huge steel elements, total pulverisation of the concrete, destruction without a trace of a lot of the victims inside the buildings, bone fragments on top of adjacent buildings, fires that burned for months, ... give me a break.

Specifically we even know about the use of Nano-Thermite as one of the tools used, because traced of it and masses of its reaction-products have been found in the dust of 9/11 in NY.

I think only a person who is totally uneducated or ignorant, or brain-washed, or simply stupid can believe the “official” narrative.

"Regarding Nine-Eleven: Until someone who actually know the business of controlled demolition shows what specifically would have been needed, used how without being noticed, to produce the collapse, it will remain just another empty conspiracy theory."

If it's an "empty conspiracy theory" then it obviously doesn't need an investigation, right? And without an investigation no details as to exactly how when, where, why, etc., will likely be forthcoming, thus it's just an "empty conspiracy theory"...and being that it's just an empty conspiracy theory it obviously doesn't need an investigation, and without an investigation no details as to exactly how when, where, why, etc., will likely be forthcoming, thus it's just an "empty conspiracy theory"...and being that it's just an empty conspiracy theory it obviously doesn't need an investigation, and without an investigation no details as to exactly how when, where, why, etc., will likely be forthcoming, thus it's just an "empty conspiracy theory"...and on and on forever.

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"Regarding Nine-Eleven: Until someone who actually know the business of controlled demolition shows what specifically would have been needed, used how without being noticed, to produce the collapse, it will remain just another empty conspiracy theory."

I wonder if Fred's house burnt down under suspicious circumstances, e.g., there was some evidence that an accelerant was involved; and neighbors reported suspicious activity near the house before the fire started; and then Fred had the debris hauled away before it could be examined; and as a matter of public record Fred announced beforehand that his house might burn down; and Fred was known to be having financial problems; and Fred was caught telling a lie about the circumstances; and Fred sought to collect a huge insurance payment, etc.; would the state police fire marshal dismiss it all as an "empty conspiracy theory". I think not; rather, I think Fred would be in some serious trouble.

The only interesting question remaining about 911 is whether the same group who planned the destruction of the twin towers also demolished WTC 7. Even though all three supposedly succumbed to fire, WTC 7 resembles a classic demolition while 1 and 2 exploded. These were obviously different techniques at work.

I began to wonder if some rival faction within the establishment demolished WTC 7 just to spoil the cover story for the Bin Laden angle for leverage in other areas, or the did the perpetrators themselves do it so the American people would have no plausible deniability when the day of reckoning finally comes? After all, what sort of infantile and wicked population could allow the crimes committed by its government after such a preposterous false flag operation? Surely, they deserve to be stripped of everything they have (especially Social Security ;).

For a controlled demolition you need access to the site (easy when you own it), explosives and know how. Much easier than flying planes into buildings where you have to get past NORAD. Also controlled demolitions are done all the time to buildings which are not up to code and un-needed. For an illegal demolition it would be clever to make it look like an act of terrorism. There, that was not so difficult to understand, was it? People set fires for insurance money all the time. What it is special is when the government is involved, but we understand the world we live in, don't we?

it will remain just another empty conspiracy theory.
 

Replies: @NoseytheDuke

You are correct that it raises a lot of policy questions. Better to make policy based on the facts than on myths, though.

The obvious is always what can't be said — hence there is some merit in certifying it, I'd say.

As to get-out-of-jail free cards, you reason as if people were to be imprisoned for the sake of administering punishment to them. It seems to me that in our time they are imprisoned to prevent them from committing other outlaw actions (outlaw actions being the sort of crimes a wide enough majority of people have evolved past committing, thus want to be outlawed. Offences a high enough number of people still want to commit are safe from being outlawed, of course, as are they from being labeled crimes).

It sounds like a Get out of jail free card.
 

Replies: @HallParvey

But then you have to say that American blacks, mean IQ 85, can also do these things. Then why don’t they? We are left with cultural and societal explanations, such as April touts.
 

A look at history could be rewarding.

Why did these Native American peoples build great civilizations (Olmecs, Mayas, Mixtecs, Toltecs, Aztecs, Incas,..)? And, sub-Saharan blacks- none?

A country with an average IQ of 84 can still produce a minority with an IQ high enough to run a modern society, provided it makes the formulation of its directives simple enough for its lower personnel to follow.

African countries don't have the same average IQ as American Blacks, which is 85, but run the gamut from 59 (Equatorial Guinea) to 77 (Zambia). For such countries to produce an elite with an IQ high enough to run a modern society is far more difficult.

I know only about two relatively successful Black countries : Barbados (average IQ 78) and Botswana (average IQ 72). One has to take into account special circumstances in these cases. Probably good advice from a small White minority.

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