This is a scam like Witch Doctors operate. They identify a terrible single malevolent entity that is capable of causing all illness in humans, and then offer a remedy to it.
 

Re: "The woke agenda is all about inculcating hatred of whites in all “people of colour”, you completely miss the point again. "

The globalists and NWO are telegraphing whom they fear the most by whom they are attacking the hardest and most-persistently. They fear that real and strong resistance to their plans for global domination will come from European (Western) civilization, in particular the Anglophone world, in particular the "Five Eyes" nations of the U.S., Great Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Which are among the most-heavily surveilled on earth, by the way.

Their end-game is to whip the masses of black, brown and other darker-skinned peoples into such a fury that these dupes/useful idiots will do their work for them, i.e., of eliminating their would-be rivals and opponents. This is of a piece, too, with open-borders. One way to reduce the effectiveness of a counter-offensive by traditional westerners would be to dumb them down, dilute their genetic heritage, hybridize them out of existence. The billionaire oligarchs have decided that lower-IQ people will be more-easy to rule, regardless of their race, ethnicity, or original nationality. Once enough of humanity has been taken down far-enough, and is dim-witted and poor-enough, they figure that controlling them won't be too big a deal. It's an evil thing they're doing, but they are doing it anyway.

to any non-whites reading this article.

don’t let this article turn you against whites.
 

From the other side of the planet, it is painfully apparent what is now underway in the USA.

there are so many good whites who don’t but into this garbage.
 

Here's a counter for you - there are many good blacks (seeing as how we're distinguishing skin colours here) who can see what's going on, and are probably dismayed at the exploitation of their race to undermine and destroy the American Republic.

nonsense,to arms.

Isn't it caring about what non-Whites think that has led to the need for articles like this? We can no longer afford the luxury of caring about what they think. They certainly don't care what we think.

Replies: @Bruce Arney

don’t let this article turn you against whites. there are so many good whites who don’t but into this garbage.
 

Replies: @Alfa158

Joggers read?

@anyone with a brain, You're surely missing at least half of your brain! Take it from a non-white who has read this article in it's entirety.

I eyerolled all the way through this article, and so did my Italian girlfriend. And, no, I don't think all or even a substantial subset of whites are "evil". There are just as many, or few, despicable whites as in any other so called "race", a term that's ipso facto ridiculous in this day and age. And all the anti Jewish animus? Except for the minority of Sephardic Jews, they're as white as the people foaming at the mouth against them. And in Occupied Palestine, since the onset of the zionist project, they have seen themselves as white, and nothing else.

Apart, of course, from the risible notion that all non whites

1. Are incompetent and

2. Owe any success they have to "Social engineering".

This article is important, though, in that it clearly depicts the fascist mindset of the author/s. In fact it is very much like some of old Adolf's logorrhoea in Mein Kampf. Ye Olde Apple falleth not far from ye tree.

Replies: @TKK

Go K!ll Yourself.

Hey Ron Unz
How did this comment get to be #1?
Just a cohencidence right? Sure. Totally believable, Mr. GiveTheUSMoreHispanics.
You guys are really going to find out the hard way this time.

This goat/sheep dumb jew/ass/kissing WHITE liberals attitude will doomed THE WHITE RACE and ALL THE GOYIM ..whites/non whites..christian/nonchristians...

Unfortunately, you are exactly the audience for whom this article was written. You speak of "anyone with a brain", but in reality it should be anyone with eyes. I don't hate you for what you think. I just think that you aren't thinking. I hope you are able to waken to the danger without having to experience the diversity induced despair that many whites have suffered. Anyhow, good luck on your journey.

Unladen Swallow - I think you missed the ironic intent of Fatmanscoop's comment.

How? Any practical suggestions?

Replies: @The Real World, @johnnyuinta

"...doesn’t negate the fact that ZOG promotes blacks and supports their interests to a huge degree."
Sure. While it's convenient....while those interests never to any degree conflict with Zionist interests.
Blacks are eminently expendable....

Only if there is an economic pull. Blowing up the pull and push factors removes any need for movement. Set up a border with moratorium at Panama and call it a day. Set a minimum wage too while at it, and abolish corn subsidies or give then to Mexican farmers too. Add industrial jobs being brought from Asia to the Mexican states, and the ending of drug trafficking through the central Americas, there will be no North American migrant population flows. Again, these things happen because of the current economic and political situation.

You could do this without unification, of course, (good to start by fixing here first) but I figure with the connected economies and overlap of peoples, it's a good deal overall. Plus, we can focus all our Empire building here.

Have you SEEN the increase in market cap for the oligarchs? They don't need any more money from the harvest. They have it all already. They've moved higher in Maslow's hierarchy. Control.

Replies: @paranoid goy, @The Alarmist, @GrimFandango

Unfortunately 'their' business has collapsed...... so expect a different kind of harvest.
No doubt the peons and hard of thinking will be waving their noahide flags as they are dropped into the combine..

Replies: @omegabooks

Actually, one of the keys to understanding the events of 2020 and future years is that institutions are no longer funded by the ordinary public. Governments are funded from debt, not tax revenue, and what tax revenue they get is mostly (and voluntary) contributions from the oligarchs. Companies are funded also mainly by debt and various stock market scams, not purchases by ordinary consumers. Goods and services sold by companies have been getting shoddier for years.

Its not clear what exactly has replaced tax revenue and consumer purchases. Narcotics seems to play a large roll. It could be just a matter of creating large amounts of money in the appropriate bank accounts, that can be used to purchase actual goods and services as long as ordinary people still accept the currency, which ordinary people will still do so since the alternative is turning to barter and losing any savings they may still have.

Replies: @Franz, @Levtraro, @Digital Samizdat, @Anon

Increasingly, GloboCap won't need people to produce wealth. Automation is destroying jobs by the millions - whole classes of jobs. When they figure out autonomous vehicles - not there yet, but it will happen - millions of drivers (delivery vans, long-haul trucks, etc.) will be thrown out of work. There will be a lot of surplus labor, who will be bought off with UBI, which will be just enough to pay for a crummy rental (maybe even a shipping container - it's been proposed), "food", booze, drugs, and netflix. I don't think it's coincidental that there have been major initiatives to legalize drugs, many of which were funded by billionaires such as George Soros. The surplus population will be kept dependent, poor, entertained, and stoned. Perhaps receipt of payments will eventually be conditioned on their sterilization.

The rich don't want the hoi-polloi to travel. They don't want middle and lower-class people cluttering up the beaches, seas, and ski-slopes of the World. As far as the rich are concerned, those are their beaches and their ski-slopes. They want a mostly empty World that they can enjoy without all those icky people. Bio-security restrictions and climate change austerity will be used to destroy the mass travel industry. Of course, the upper middle-class - the technocrats and managers who are the servitors of the rich - will continue to travel. It will be a perk for them - a reward for being good servants. I can even forsee that airlines will refit their fleets, stripping out coach class altogether, as the people who buy the cheap seats won't be flying anymore anyway. A lot of industries will down-size so as to only serve the quality customers.

And rich people are buying up land - lots of it. They are becoming what they already deem themselves to be: an aristocracy, and a hereditary one at that.

Neo-liberal GloboCap is morping into neo-feudalism.

They'll own everthing, and they'll be happy.

You'll own nothing and you'll be happy (or else).

Replies: @cronkitsche, @Levtraro

So the attempted totalitarian socialist coup underway is really capitalism!

Replies: @Polemos, @Supply and Demand, @cronkitsche, @anti_republocrat

The business of GloboCap is the control AND harvest of human populations. Not just the control, also the harvest.
 

Just wait till they reveal how the new harvesting will happen. What do you think all the taxes are besides the profit margin of slavery? What “redistribution of wealth” means? What the Fed money copy/pasting to the wealthiest means? They’ve literally tapped every single person through hidden inflation. What do you think that is, if not harvesting? And they’re only going to increase the gain once you’re used to the new tap, just like they did when they pivoted from high cost and bothersome physical slavery to tax based financial slavery.

You've lost your cotton-pickin' (almost literally) mind.

You don't pay attention to what psychopaths like Gates and Klaus Schwab are saying, apparently...' The Great Reset ' it's here to stay, no matter who's the puppet in the ' Gray House ' ( if ever was ' white house ' ). More than that ( and I don't want to offend you, or anybody else ), you don't know how the ' economic and financial scam ' works '...that we are at the peak of their Ponzi scheme ( debt/usury ) and there are not too many natural resources left ( not counting the pollution/poisoning of the Planet ). Henry Ford Quotes " It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning ".

I don’t claim to know every detail, but one thing seems abundantly clear and that is that C.J. Hopkins is perfectly fine with all of it because he fits right in.

That's why he refers to the hostile elite as an almighty, unstoppable force, when of course it isn't. Empires are run by people and, like people, they come and go.

Speaking of power, Nietzsche was right when he said that power makes people stupid. It doesn't have to. Meaning, there's no absolute cause and effect. But there's clearly a pattern. He also said that stupidity is the shadow of conformity.

So when you have a power center that demands absolute conformity, both to it and within it, then you have one big, fat, steaming pile of world-historic stupid. The kind of stupid that's unsustainable.

You know, like The Empire of Stupid currently in power now.

Airlines, tourism, bars and restaurants, cinemas, church inc., etc, too many industries and tax revenue depend on letting normal private productive people move around a bit.

The business of GloboCap is the control AND harvest of human populations.

Not just the control, also the harvest.
 

The word harvest in the above is subsumed by the word control. The harvest is simply part of how, or, the means by which, GloboCap controls populations. In other words, to put it in question form:

Q: What do you control?
A: We control human populations by, in part, harvesting them.

The key word is control. Just as they control the explanations that control the behavior. And, when it comes to governing, all explanations are and must be backed by force.

The idea when it comes to governing is that we at least try to circumnavigate the use of force. Because, if force fails, there's no alternative. From this perspective, what GloboCap is doing couldn't be more obvious. There's no circumnavigation. This is why it is why it's a just judgment to describe what we're witnessing as nothing less than

The Pyrrhic Victory of The Hostile Elite.

Because their entire Explanatory System upon which all that they say and do rests is itself The Ponzi Scheme. It is foundationless and, therefore, can only be backed by force. But force destablizes the explanation and the social institutions that explanation controls. And, to repeat, when force fails there's no alternative. So, down she goes. Or, to be more precise, down she's going - fast.

Gee, Bee, you wanna be my president? As I was reading the article, the one thought that kept cropping up, was; "Good writing, but this guy knows nothing of history, keeps regurgitating the Bolshevik lies". Thank gods he didn't invoke the Sixmillions too, I would have thrown up.

Replies: @GeeBee

"National Socialist Germany was the only credible threat to the final victory of the masters of our modern, Judaised world, over that which we Europeans had painstakingly built up over many centuries of sacrifice and toil."
Thank you, GeeBee! As an ethnic Pole, I find it horrible that the muppets (both Catholics and cryptos) in Poland's "nationalconservative" government, actually along with "true nationalists" who otherwise oppose the govermnent's politics, shout them hoarse about Germany's "obligation" to give Poland war reparations. When leaving Poland in 1973, I wouldn't have believed if someone told me that corruption and Mammon-worship would increase after the "liberation" from communism.

Yet another believer in ‘the Good war’, who therefore has no clue at all that today’s nightmare became inevitable the moment National Socialist Germany died.
 

that they believe will help them create a new Reich of righteousness with an ease that Hitler would have envied.
 

They have convinced themselves that a special operations strike team comprised of bartenders, former Olympic athletes, and buffalo-hatted conspiracy theorists drove them from the high seat of congressional power onto the dusty seat of their pants under a desk
 

nazis were co-opted. borman and hitler etc. worked for the NWO bankers as all the nazi abwehr, gestapo, nsdap, SS intelligence testified after the war and detailed in their memoirs. So did Stalin as unsealed KGB files revealed. IG Farben had openly jewish directors and among hitlers best friends were jews. Hence Dunkirk "failure" and Stalingrad unopposition "failure" and japanese lured into Pearl Harbor False Flag etc etc etc. War and mass murder exterminations is always goal, eugenics the coverup ideology. Christian, muslim, jewish, asian ad nauseum banker mass murderer eugenists are pulling puppet strings until the heroes of the masses seize their machinery and exterminate them and their admirers branch and root.

Replies: @Munga Bulga

How the hell I could agree completely with Mr. Champlagne is what I want to know. Agree.

Replies: @Jack Armstrong

Title IX combined with the fact that men are better a sports means that a woman gets more sports program and scholarship funding than an equally skilled man.
 

Replies: @Jonathan Mason, @TelfoedJohn, @ben tillman, @GamecockJerry, @Mike Tre, @Alec Leamas (hard at work), @TheMan, @Guy De Champlagne, @Paperback Writer, @JR Ewing

And then there’s a whole bunch of other reasons that men should hate feminism so that even if they don’t care about sports or hate jocks they should still be opposed to Title IX.
 

Replies: @Getaclue

Title IX combined with the fact that men are better a sports means that a woman gets more sports program and scholarship funding than an equally skilled man.
 

And, what disturbs even more people, is that Title IX combined with the fact that men are more interested in sports results in male teams getting cut entirely.
 

Replies: @Alice in Wonderland

It's not about spending on or promoting women's sports, it's about defunding and canceling men's sports.

In the feminism rule book, any advantage men have, relative to women, is unfair, per se discrimination, and must be eliminated. Any advantage women have, relative to men, is due to the natural superiority of women--and should be encouraged.

Replies: @Jim Don Bob

True.

All you have to do is look at golf. College golf scholarships are given out to women who pretty much can't break 80. Men who don't average 74 or 75 have no chance for a free ride and may end up as servers at Olive Garden. This is discrimination. And since golf isn't solely about power, and women get to play from forward tees, you can't blame this on biology or the male strength advantage.

Late last year the WHO sent out new suggestions regarding PCR testing - stop running so many cycles! That directly affects the number of "new cases" as well as "asymptomatic cases", because apparently even now there's not really such a thing as a "false positive COVID test".

Healing! Nothing more than healing!

Replies: @JimB

"Covid is over".

Do you relish being delusional?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/01/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s

Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen

Steve, Biden is president now. Covid is over. Time to move on. Why do you think they keep saying the “healing” will start?
 

I see your Kippah.

Replies: @frontier

Dear Mr. Unz,

We need an "ASS" button when "TROLL" just won't do. See comment #66(6).

Respectfully,

Ugetit

@frontier How about you go fornicate yourself with a six-pointed star there,Schlomey.

"Do you happen to be a failed artist too? If you do, stop any political activities immediately, it’s for your own good, we know how that ends…"

Which part irritates your jewish sensibilities more? The artistic depiction of beautiful scenes of nature and historic buildings created in line with those natural artifacts and principles,or the political suppression by morally decent White men of the filthy jewish instinct to stamp all of that out and replace it with bizarre and perverted depictions of gray squares or whatever it is that speaks to your pedophilia-inclined "mind"?

Do we know how it ends? If that's the case,then why don't you call on your (((fellow whites))) to abolish the hate speech laws in Europe and Canada and hate crimes bill in the U.S. and we'll just see what happens.

Actually,I don't think you believe the outcome is certain or you wouldn't be making veiled threats. I mean,in typical jewish fashion,even when you're trying to intimidate someone you come off sounding like a pussy.

If any of you had an ounce of testosterone,I'd be happy to settle these questions with you in a high-stakes bareknuckle boxing match,but all of you know that you have feminine physiques and various genetic illnesses from cousin-humping and you'd probably just keel over dead from one good well-placed punch to the head.

You'd be wise to take the offer,though,because one day the repercussions will be much more serious than a mean-spirited comment or two,which you already seem to be unable to handle. The truth is,many of us consider Adolf Hitler to be far too compassionate towards jews in light of their behavior after their war and wouldn't even bother putting jews in camps if we had the power to decide their fate.

@Frontier. Before reading your comment I believed that idiots like yourself only were to be found in my adopted country, Sweden (resultat of social justice propaganda) and in Poland - where I was born and raised (resultat of Catholic brainwash and chosenite influence). Alas, ignorance often marches together with arrogance.

Seth Rich – all info

Best answer so far.

Replies: @Corvinus

The Las Vegas shooting. TPTB didn't even have the decency to feed us a semi-convincing lie; they just stopped talking about it.

2) Declassified does not mean published. You'd probably have to file a bunch of FOIAs.

Ron is a stupid little bitch, low T, small package, never had a woman, loves the male anus.

In point of fact, Ashli was one hundred times the man Ron is.....she served our military for many years while Ron was offering little boys cookies to get into his car.

Replies: @mark green

If you actually research -- the conclusion is inescapable that these "Elite" behind this Great Reset and NWO Agenda are "Occultists" -- there is Masonic symbolism always interwined with them and their plans -- their "god" is Lucifer -- it doesn't take very much research to figure this out.

Bill Gates had a well known "artist" Satanist as an ad spokesperson the last Good Friday during this Pandemic -- she was quickly withdrawn due to the very negative public reaction -- but why would he do that? It is well known these Occultist "Elites" like to "message" us who they are and their nasty plans for us.

Gates' wife around that same time went on National Television wearing an upside down Crucifix. The "Elite" do this type of thing all the time --people don't want to see it but it is clearly there.... VigilantCitizen.com website documents this "signaling" -- it is so obvious when you wake up to it....Ex-Satanist Wizard Zachary King flat out said he worked with Gates and he is a Satanist.

Replies: @John Fisher

residents in old peoples homes go unattended due to quarantines and are dying in their feces.
 

This is true ... outside Egypt. Hippolytus does seem to be the Patristic author who pushed for Saturnalia season to be Christian season among the northern Roman citizenry. I think that Clement of Alexandria had witnessed rival dates for Christ's Mass up the Nile however.

Replies: @Seraphim

Sorry, but you're the victim of a lot of Jewish misinformation.

Christians are first recorded celebrating Christmas on the 25th Dec some 75 years after Christ's birth - before coming in contact with Nordic paganism. Of course it wasn't codified before the 4th century because that's when the Church itself was for the first time codified (btw, Santa was there and punched another guy in the face because he was spreading heresy - awesome dude!).

It became such a popular holiday that 50 years later, the Roman pagans invented the Saturnalia to counterbalance it, but were unsuccessful in the end.

English Christmas traditions are indeed extremely garbled, mixing a variety of legends (such as elves from Nordic countries) into the story of Santa Claus (St Nicolás)

German Tradition is much clearer in that regard, St Nikolas comes on the 6th December, on the evening of the 24th we receive the Christkind (Christ the child) who knocks on doors and windows to be let in and escape the cold outside. Father Christmas also comes, but seems to be prevalent in Protestant families, which leads me to believe that they tried to transplant St Nikolas visit to Christmas or something.

There's no elves, both St Nikolas and the Christ child have a workshop in heaven that naturally is staffed by angels.

The tree, likewise, goes back to St Boniface, who evangelized in Germany. We chopped down an oak dedicated to Thor, and advised people of they wanted to wish a tree, it should be the concert, which at least points to heaven. It was later or in the middle of villages for Christmas, decorated with a star, hung apples to, and life cakes, representing the life Christ gives.

The only memory of heathen practices is Knecht Ruprecht (Rupert, the servant) who was the son of a forest worker and offered himself to St Nikolas as a servant. Henceforth, he sleeps in the forest for most of the year and awakes only in December to serve St Nikolas and the Christkind.

I'm totally fine with Nordic pagans, I just don't get why you guys adopt this Jewish hatred of Christianity, thereby furthering their cause of destroying our people. Get a grip.

Replies: @zimriel, @gay troll, @Showmethereal, @Angharad, @Reaper, @Vojkan, @Aardvark-Gnosis, @map

The same old schtick about Jesus being a Jew. Gay Boy, honesty and clear thinking are both beyond your reach. How sad.

Replies: @GeeBee

Watch this, dumbass:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1166827/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

Replies: @gar manar nar

At least your name is fitting

Homosexuality is the most unnatural, civilization wrecking mental illness in existence. The moral thing for all homosexuals to do is to either submit themselves for voluntary castration or simply kill themselves.

As with negroes and Jews, fear of government retribution has given homosexuals a sense of power that again does not naturally exist. When the state no longer has the means to protect you feces obsessed degenerates, nature will correct itself, harshly.

And you weren’t born that way. You were very likely sexually abused as a child and you no doubt will seek opportunities to continue the pattern with children yourself. That’s is the legacy of the homo: child buggery.

Replies: @Trickster, @Oemiktlob, @gay troll, @TKK

I told UR readers many times Gay Troll was GAY, was a TROLL and was a JUJU. No one believed the Trickster. Now you have the confirmation from the Gay's own mouth.

Dont say you were not warned about this Quisling, this snoop lurking around UR, sticking his big nose into every article, reading the comments with his beady rodent eyes, and playing with his curls.

Thank you for coming out of your closet. The truth will set you free ! What;s the weather like on the Mediterranean coast this time of year.

Replies: @gay troll

Mazel Tov. You know the rules say you have to reveal yourself as Satan first. Can't help it, can you?

Rebutting the pagan shibboleth: In Defense of Christmas
by Brother André Marie June 27, 2005 http://catholicism.org/defense-of-christmas.html



Today’s skeptics, who seem to reject something traditional just because it’s traditional, cannot sit still during the holy season of Christmas without mocking the notion that Christ would have been born on December 25th. If it were just the unbelievers who engaged in this mockery, it would be expected, since unbelievers, by their very nature, are not expected to believe. More troubling is the fact that, like evolution and all other modern atheistic fantasies, this one has seeped through the all-too narrow wall separating Catholics from the rest of the world. The anti-Christmas myth, which makes a myth out of Christmas, is being foisted on Catholic children as fact. To benefit these, and any Christian who respects piety, history, Scripture, and Tradition, we present our defense of Christmas.



Since there is no date for the Nativity recorded in Holy Scripture, we rely on the testimony of the Church Fathers and of history to get an answer to the question, “When did Christmas take place?”



First, let us see the essential significance of the Savior’s birth at the time usually attributed to it. The winter solstice, the astronomical event which recurs every year, is traditionally said to be the birthday of the Messias. To elucidate the meaning of this fact, we will turn to Saint Gregory of Nyssa (+ 385 or 386): “On this day, which the Lord hath made, darkness decreases, light increases, and night is driven back again. No, brethren, it is not by chance, nor by any created will, that this natural change begins on the day when He shows Himself in the brightness of His coming, which is the spiritual Life of the world. It is Nature revealing, under this symbol, a secret to them whose eye is quick enough to see it; to them, I mean, who are able to appreciate this circumstance, of our Savior’s coming. Nature seems to me to say: “Know, oh man! that under the things which I show thee, mysteries lie concealed. Hast thou not seen the night, that had grown so long, suddenly checked? Learn hence, that the black night of Sin, which had reached its height, by the accumulation of every guilty device, is this day, stopped in its course. Yes, from this day forward, its duration shall be shortened until at length there shall be naught but Light. Look, I pray thee, on the Sun; and see how his rays are stronger and his position higher in the heavens: Learn from that how the other Light, the Light of the Gospel, is now shedding itself over the whole earth.” (Homily On the Nativity)



Saint Augustine, a Western Father, concurs with Gregory, the Easterner: “Let us, my brethren, rejoice, this day is sacred, not because of the visible sun, but because of the Birth of Him Who is the invisible Creator of the sun. He chose this day whereon to be born, as He chose the Mother of whom to be born, and He made both the day and the Mother. The day He chose was that on which the light begins to increase, and it typifies the work of Christ, who renews our interior man day by day. For the eternal Creator, having willed to be born in time, His birthday would necessarily be in harmony with the rest of creation.” (Sermon On the Nativity of Our Lord iii) Similar sentiments are echoed by St. Ambrose, St. Leo, St. Maximus of Turin, and St. Cyprian.



To further the beauty of this mysterious agreement between grace and nature, Catholic commentators have shown this to be a marvelous fulfillment of the utterance of St. John the Baptist, the Voice who heralded the Word: “He must increase, but I must decrease.” Literally fulfilled by the ending of the Precursor’s mission and the beginning of the Savior’s, this passage had its spiritual fulfillment in the celebration of John’s feast on the 24th of June, three days after the summer solstice. As St. Augustine put it: “John came into this world at the season of the year when the length of the day decreases; Jesus was born in the season when the length of the day increases.” (Sermon In Natali Domini xi).



Lest anyone find all this Astronomy to reek of paganism, we remind him that in Genesis, it is recorded: “And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years: To shine in the firmament of heaven, and to give light upon the earth. ” Further, the Magi, those holy men from the East, who came to greet the Expectation of the Nations, were led thence by a star.



“But,” you may say, “the winter solstice is on the 21st of December, not the 25th.” Correct. But if, from the time of the Council of Nicea (325) to that of Gregory XIII’s reform of the calendar (1582), there was a 10 day discrepancy between the calendar and the actual astronomical pattern governing it, then it is entirely possible that a four-day discrepancy had occurred between our Lord’s birth and the Council. We illustrate this possibility as follows: The calendar that many of the Greek schismatics still follow (the Julian calendar), is presently fourteen days off from the Gregorian. This additional four day discrepancy from Gregory’s time has happened over about 400 years.



But now for the meat of the issue: when did it happen? According to St. John Chrysostom, the foundation for the Nativity occurring on the 25th of December is a strong one. In a Christmas Sermon, he shows that the Western Chruches had, from the very commencement of Christianity, kept the Feast on that day. This fact bears great weight to the Doctor, who adds that the Romans, having full access to the census taken by Augustus Caesar (Luke 2, 1) — which was in the public archives of the city of Rome — were well versed in their history on this point. A second argument he adduces thusly: The priest Zachary offered incense in the month of Tisri, the seventh of the Hebrew calendar, corresponding with the end of our September or the beginning of our October. (This he most likely knew from details of the temple rites which were transmitted to him by a living tradition, supported by Holy Scripture.) At that same time, St. Luke tells us that Elizabeth conceived John the Baptist. Since, according to the Bible, Our Blessed Lady conceived in the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy (the end of March: when we celebrate the Feast of the Incarnation), then she gave birth nine months later: the end of December.



Having no reason to doubt the great Chrysostom, or any of the other Fathers mentioned; in fact, seeing objections issued only by heretics and cynics, we agree with the learned Doctor and conclude that, by God’s Providence, His Church has correctly commemorated the Feast of His Nativity.



Further, as the continuity of the Old Testament with the New Testament was preserved in two of the principal feasts of the New: Easter corresponding to the Pasch and Pentecost to Pentecost (same name in both dispensations), it would have been unlikely for the Birth of the Eternal God into our world not to have had a corresponding feast in the Old Testament. Until the time of the Machabees, when the temple was re-dedicated after its desecration by the Greek Antiochus IV, Antiochus Epiphanes (see 1 Machabees 4). One hundred and sixty-seven years before Jesus, the commemoration was instituted according to what was written: “And Judas, and his brethren, and all the church of Israel decreed, that the day of the dedication of the altar should be kept in its season from year to year for eight days, from the five and twentieth day of the month of Casleu, with joy and gladness.” (I Macc. 4, 59) To this day, Jews celebrate the twenty-fifth of Casleu (or Kislev, as they say) as the first night of Hannukah. This year (5757 in the Jewish calendar), 25 Casleu was on December 12. Even though the two calendars are not in sync, Christmas and Hannukah are always in close vicinity. With the Festival of Lights instituted less than two centuries before Our Lord’s advent, the Old Testament calendar joined nature in welcoming the Light of the world on his birthday.



As for the objection, “Jesus couldn’t have been born in the winter, since the shepherds were watching their flocks, which they couldn’t have done in winter”: This is really no objection. Palestine has a very mild climate, and December 25 is early enough in winter for the flocks and the shepherds to be out. The superior of our monastery, Brother Francis Maluf, grew up 30 miles from Beirut, which has the same climate as Bethlehem, both being near the Mediterranean coast, and he has personally testified to this fact.

Replies: @Rocha

It is about the strength of love, the New Covenant, and joy of communion with friends and loved ones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9l0sMNh3Sg

The Christians stole Yuletide is nonsense anyway (Celts largely celebrated mid solstice/mid equinox for instance) but even if they did that’s still 1,500 years of tradition to not abandon with added syncretism from the past.

Hating Christianity is hardly a pro western position. Even if you are not religious if you don’t recognise the choral music, the churches, the cathedrals and the influence in general as being an important part of our history then what exactly of the West are you preserving? The last ten years?

Replies: @Reaper

I imagine this is how Hebe pillow biters talked in Viennese coffee shops in the late 1800s.

Replies: @gay troll

The winter solstice is December 21st, dumbass.

Replies: @James O'Meara, @gay troll, @Seraphim

Folks, the Black Metal pagan Larper has entered the chat!

You are a dirty, filthy sodomite who has sex with other men. Until 1975 that was classified as a mental illness....lol

You're essentially a walking talking bio-hazard. A truly pitiful excuse for a human being, much less a man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8KL63r9Zcw

Replies: @gay troll

If you can't see how your rampant disrespect and blasphemy of Christmas for the past

40 odd years leads

to deserved anti Semitism , you have to be deaf blind and dumb. We agree to be tolerant

in this Country , but your hatred of American Christianity is totally irrational ungrateful ,


and thankless . Hundreds of Christian Americans , New Zealanders , Canadians , Australians ,

British , gave their lives to fight the Nazis and save your lives . It Hitler had won , there would

be no successive Jewish generations .

Wasn't the reality that Inuit in the far North only ate fish as a last resort?
The Aborigines of Flinders Island also didn't eat fish, even though it was abundant.

Replies: @Voltarde, @glib

It's pretty telling that guys who subscribe more-or-less wholeheartedly to Darwinian evolution theory are very susceptible to believing this nonsense. It's probably because, like Darwin, they have a very narrow view of data, and are intellectually unwilling to question the assumptions upon which the data they are analyzing is based. As such, they attribute too much explanatory power to what is, in the final analysis, a very small amount of information.

Replies: @John Fisher, @Peripatetic Itch

Here is an actual expert, "with high IQ", on "variances":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC8ObD2W4Rk

Replies: @James Thompson, @dux.ie, @dux.ie

Agreed. Its not as if the scam is not Very Obvious and in your face.
I can only assume these people have at a moment of great deception
reverted to cowardice and willful ignorance

Sailer is bought-and-paid-for controlled opposition. How I know this is a long story but I'm quite sure of it. So he isn't falling for anything in spite of his continuous vaccine promotion.
Thompson is an interesting case. Go back and reread the last three paragraphs of this essay. Is this tongue in cheek? It's like a neoliberal manifesto. No regulation, just rule by GloboCap. It's too over the top. The appeal to IQ snobbery is suspicious too. So no, I don't think Thompson is an "intelligent fool". He's just another paid liar.

“That bastard won’t get away with this! What’s going on in this country when a scumsucker like Polite Derelict can get away with sandbagging a doctor of IQ?” -- Dr. Hunter S. Biden, "STEM and Loathing on Unz.com"

Extremely well said. Any Awoke Ethnic European knows exactly what you speak.

The Khazarian Genociders have plans for us that have been moving deliberately but expeditiously for a very long time. We have been groomed for the South African model of European Genocide, 80,000 "White" farmers there have been tortured to death. If only the tallies of American Whites that have been murdered by the Bolshevik's Mud soldiers could easily be so easily cited. We re already there and now at the onset of the American Holodomor

Historic injustices seem to be the way of the world...
We do allow much worse, and, worse than that. Then-
whose fault is it? Why,as usual,is the question.
We got it, to here, so,maybe, we'll learn from history,and,
one day, soon,...etc. Good luck to all, of us, and them.

Gawd, you are delusional. The lame flake that did nothing for whites but promote blacks and hispanics for four years is your patriotic hero? Kushner..."our voters aren’t going anywhere, the trailer parks are are rock-solid". You like being called "Trailer Park trash"? Trump was the exact opposite of a White Nationalist. Trump was soundly defeated because the smart whites figured out what a obnoxious empty suit he was and stayed home. Your black and hispanic hero needs to go away in disgrace.

Replies: @Rurik, @Just another serf, @Curmudgeon

I can only hope that large swathes of white Americans are developing a clue before it’s just too late for action.
 

If we allow this, much worse is ahead.
 

And, unfortunately, the Americans who are being targeted for destruction, literal and figurative, seem willing to put up with quite a lot. A rather unpleasant fact that only fans the flames of The Revenge Agenda.

Speaking of which, though The Revenge Agenda is, at least in part, about the revenge of a vengeful people, it's not the real reason. The real reason is conceal their incompetence.

The Revenge Agenda = Thou Shalt Not Be Aware!

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That sounds like historic JUSTICE to me: everything you are is something wrong, and bring it right on yourselves. This is why serfs must be quiet and stand down in the presence of their betters.

You will do WHAT you are told, and WHEN you are told. Amirite? Has it even been different?

much worse is certain-whether the election fraud is ignored or not.

That comment of yours is going to be rather unpopular and ignored, because it points to the direction of truth, and real progress, which are uncomfortable things.

Bullshit.

"WASPS" are not in charge of anything at this point.

Sure, there will always be a few shabbos goy traitors like Paul Ryan, John McCain, Dan Crenshaw.....but the money and power is Jewish.

WASPS do not control the media. WASPS do not control Wall St. and the Federal Reserve. WASPS do not own and run all of social media, newpapers, magazines, movies, TV, and news channels. WASPS do not run academia. WASPS do not run both "sides" of the fake political parties.

All of the above are owned and run by organized Jewry.

If you can't see this obvious truth then you lack pattern recognition, which is a key component of real intelligence.

Aye, the true fenian hate of yet another catholic who by means of his religious policy struggles with blood lust for protestants while attempting to disassociate the fruition of his own religion as something other rampant pedophilia. Aye for these reasons Jake should not to abandon or divert attention from two specific aspects of modern roman catholics which the so-called "Jews" greatly admire: the revolutionary change in the hooooly father's relationship with the "Jewish" people and "Judaism", and his remarkable and steadfast commitment to "social justice". [gulp]

For example, in June 1963, hooly john the bishop of rome XXIII took a dirt nap and was succeeded by paul the bishop of rome VI who continued his predecessor's efforts to adopt a strong declaration about the so called "Jews" and "Judaism".

In September 1964, the vellly vellly reverend cardinal cushing demanded the long delayed council statement be "more positive, less timid, more charitable." Cooshy said, "We cannot dare attribute to later generations of Jews the guilt of the crucifixion … (There is) universal guilt. … We must deny that the Jews are guilty of the death (of Jesus)…"

....aye but there's plenty more, Jake me boy, for yoor cushing did now jam the box, sayin

"There is no Christian rationale — neither theological nor historical — for any iniquity, hatred or persecution of our Jewish brothers. … In this our age (of the Holocaust), how many Jews have suffered! How many have died because of the indifference of Christians, because of silence! ... Let our voices humbly cry out now!"

Aya boya! your man's powerful speech was widely reported and he was next featured on a Time magazine cover. And sooo, getting only to October 1965, when all of your boy lovers around the world voted on whether they'd accept the Nostra Aetate ("In Our Time") statement, wouldn't you know it boya, your powerful hooked-nosed statement-cum love song insured that the vote wasn't even close: 2,221 to 81.

Glory O Glory O if but only since 1965 there have been more positive encounters between Catholics and "Jews" than there were during the first 1,900 years of the "bishop in rome" scam. Ooh and its an achievement that remains a model for all protestant groups to emulate wouldn't ya know. Hence a sad calamity it would be, boya, if the "Jewish" gains of yoor blessed WASP-hating catholics for the past half century were relegated to the sidelines by small affairs of wholesale pedophilia, gay marriage and papal resignations.

What's the idiotic part?

Hopkins is not a Trump loyalist, nor a Trump admirer, nor a Trump follower.

I'm not even sure Hopkins is "right" or part of "the right."

All humans are a collection of fools. We do not comprehend what we cannot understand.

Replies: @J West, @Che Guava

A lot more, I hope.

How much more of this idiocy does Unz plan to publish?
 

Replies: @Digital Samizdat

You are an Agent Provocateur, I presume. You chaps in the NSA certainly are on top of things! Best of luck in all your endeavors and a Merry Christmas! 🙂

Is that you Hillary?
Lol..

Troll or idiot?

Replies: @Trickster

According to the much-vaunted CDC, the COVID-19 survival rate for middle-aged individuals is 99.98 percent. By contrast, a US resident only has a 99.92 percent chance of not being murdered in the next 10 years (for the many innumerate out there, that means you're four times more likely to be offed). If government officials were acting rationally and in good faith, they would be more concerned about crime than this particular cold virus. However, officials have decreed the end of ordinary life while releasing criminals, with a special focus on releasing black criminals, these being responsible for at least 56 percent of all murders despite being merely 13 percent of the population.

If you meant something else by your post, I apologize in advance, but anyone who says it's "idiocy" to dispute that COVID-19 is some catastrophic plague that justifies the hysterical actions taken by government officials is a craven, irrational ninny.

Your brain is SAGGY.

Hopkins or UR cannot be accused of writing and publishing idiocy. However, we can safely say that we accuse YOU of publishing idiotic comments.

Take 2 aspirin and go to bed. Your feverish comments are not needed here.

Ron

Just a quick feature request - can you please add in a 'Fucking Toolbag' response button?

Thanks in advance

And just what was so different under "left" Obama and Clinton, and what do you expect to be different with demented man in charge?To be clear I hate Trump as much as anybody with sane mind, but that doesn't mean I have to like Biden and Clintons!

Guess the nurse forgot to give you your MEDS today. Are your hiding them under your tongue again or behind your saggy balls?

How much are they paying you for such lame trolling?

Steve survived stage 4 cancer because of cancer treatments developed by the pharmaceutical companies. His trust in their competence comes from experience.

Replies: @AndrewR

Steve also seems unwilling to dig too deeply into the election that was just stolen right in front of everyone.

I think boomers saw enough of America at its greatest that they can't bring themselves to admit that America has become basically as corrupt as Ukraine.

Replies: @Ian M., @Ray Huffman

Let's not forget that in February and early March, the Democrats were telling everyone to go French kiss random Chinese people to fight xenophobia.

Now they're saying we have to extend these absurd restrictions forever unless everyone gets vaccinated (possibly annually). And even that won't be enough, because they'll use flu outbreaks to justify tyrannical measures. Tens of thousands of Americans have died of the flu annually for generations. No one seemed to care that much but Democrats will rabidly insist on eliminating flu deaths just like they treat every mass shooting (outside of the ghetto) as apocalyptic. At some point we will have to do things to stand up to the Democrats that would make Steve reach for the smelling salts.

Replies: @Reg Cæsar

"Naive" might be too strong because Steve really gives all these statistics a serious crunching in search of some meaning, rather than just accepting the pre-digested conventional wisdom. But while I enjoy a steaming pile of stats as much as anyone, I'm especially skeptical of the mountain of numbers that COVID has generated. Call me vile but there are so many ambiguities and perverse incentives. So what can Steve hope to find when the source material cannot entirely be trusted. Reading berween the lines can help, but still ...

Steve the naive Nerd is showing in this. He has been frightened and wants to believe that Big Pharma and Big Tech and Big Government are all basically honest and concerned with people’s suffering and quite competent at things other than gouging for profits and power.
 

Maybe once we all get our vaccines Steve will finally cover the statistical anomalies from the election.

Steve the naive Nerd is showing in this. He has been frightened and wants to believe that Big Pharma and Big Tech and Big Government are all basically honest and concerned with people’s suffering and quite competent at things other than gouging for profits and power.
 

Maybe there's more than one reason for his response, maybe not. Maybe he simply believes it's a real and is responding accordingly.

But one thing I thought might be possible is that, in spite of his better judgment, he still yearns for mainstream respectability. Can't say that I blame him, He should be mainstream. And in a reasonably sane world he would be.

It's the mainstream who should be thrown in the As Irrelevant As A Giant Pile Of Rotary Phones bin.

I knew three people who died of Covid-19. One was a relative by marriage, in his early 60s, another, a college friend about the same age, and the third, a 93 year old father of another college buddy. All were well, and had no medical issues or chronic conditions prior to their illness.

Replies: @Buck Ransom, @Old Prude, @Hippopotamusdrome

Dunbar's number is 150. You know 150 people, that you can plausibly keep track of give or take. Covid has killed 1 out of 1000 people in the US. Most folks don't know anyone who died. Once we get to 1 in 300, 50% of people will have someone in their network who has died. It's worse than that though, most peoples 150 is not random, so how many actually over 70 folks are in your network. If you are young not too many.

The numbers don't lie, my wife is a nurse, hospital is full, people are dying, I only know friends of friends who've died. But the CDC is not making this shit up. Maybe you have a someone in your network who works at a hospital? Ask them.

Replies: @Anonymous, @Hippopotamusdrome

Anecdote alert! I work in an extended group of over 100 people, some were furloughed for a while but other than that we worked all year mixing with the public. None of us have got ill and tested positive. None of us have died. I was sent home with a cold for a day or two in March - just in case.

Of all those excess deaths due to Covid how many can be attributed to Cuomo forcing old geyzers out of hospitals and back into nursing homes? I don't remember but weren't other Governors also quilty of this practice? Whitmer and Wolf? I think it might be better to label those deaths as murdered by Governor instead of dying of Covid.

Also, weren't quite a few folks murdered earlier in the year when people were placed on ventilators destroying their lung function? So, maybe we should subtract those deaths from the official statistics since they died by ventilator, or shall we just say physician malpractice?

Wouldn't it also be appropriate to separate out the people that may have tested positive for Covid at some point in the year but then later died asymptomatic? I mean if you didn't have any symptoms did your really die of Covid? You know, like you died in an automobile accident on the way home from the Covid testing center but your results came back positive?

Now, shouldn't we also subtract out all the people that died as a result of BLM/Antifa peaceful protests? Is that guy that had the statue dropped on him still alive? Didn't you like the way the white chick that was instrumental in helping bring down the statue slinked out of the area instead of sticking around to make sure the poor shlub was still ok?

I mean Rittenhouse is responsible for two. Did they count those as Covid deaths also?

And, how can we count anyone that died that had more than one co-morbidity as a Covid death? Can we really ascertain with certainty that they actually died of Covid and not their co-morbidity?

Luckily with hospitals shut down and doctors not seeing patients we should be able to subtract the approximate 250k they kill a year. But, as others point out in the comments the toll taken on the mental and physical health of people out of work should really be subtracted off the totals as well. (But, that shouldn't stop us from including them in the indictments of Crimes Against Humanity for the top perpetrators of this technocratic nightmare like Bill Gates, Fauci, Cuomo, Wolf, Whitmer, Newsome, etc.)

I'm sure if we apply the appropriate filters we can get the count of possible actual Corona Virus deaths down to less than 20K this year. But, that would go against the narrative of this being the most deadly pandemic well since the 1918 Spanish Flu.


Now, if anyone wants to see a film showcasing the coming Technocratic Fascist State they should watch the movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still". I watched it last night on TCM and the parallels with whats going on today were pretty much evident in a film from the 50's.

The ramping of fear over some unknown external event, military takeover of police functions, politicians being subordinated, all the while the brilliant minds of the time would provide the answers. You know them as technocrats. You'll be surprised how it parallels with what's going on today sans the face diapers. And, it did cover depopulation if the people of Earth didn't fall into line with the all knowing all powerful Cosmic Technocrats.

It's not the black death, but it's also not the flu. All of western Europe (UK, Netherlands, France, belgium, Spain, Italy) tried hard to ignore the virus ("less severe than the flu") and do essentially nothing. but it didn't work, there is a point when in fact everyone knows someone who is in hospital, when care homes are no longer functioning because staff are off sick or are too scared to treat the sick (no one wore masks and distanced so viral loads in the average infection were high), when hospitals get overwhelmed.
Whether you take official measures or not, about one third of the population severely restricted their contacts and their free time activities, and that's what brings the economy down. My parents, who are great travellers, haven' travelled at all this years, although most of the year they would have been able to, and istead of 5 times per month the went to a restaurant only two or three times during this whole years, and than was in summer when incidences were very low in Germany and they could sit outside.

Warm Countries with young populations and low rates of A blood type can easily ignore COVID, for others, it's more difficult.

I gave a definition of the *activity* of ethnic colonisation which is neutral and which must necessarily describe your ethnic ancestors’ actions as well as my own.
 

No you were wrong and you condemned your original stance at length in your previous post. You said that the word “colonisation” can refer to an action which is morally legitimate in your view. It refers, in outline, to the activity of an ethnic group settling in a new territory. You said that this action is not a priori immoral, in your view. I.e. the term “colonisation” should not carry a de facto moral weighting. Yes. Thank you.
 

In any case you tried to impose your narrow definition of colonialism on me so that you could try to force me into conceding that “everyone colonizes” or something to that effect. The problem however is that I never consented to using your narrow definition of colonialism. You were going on about how if you can’t condone colonialism (your singular narrow definition of it) then there is no basis for anyone to defend their territory and then I correctly demonstrated how not all colonialism is equal and how there are different situation under which people could condone or not condone colonialism in order to justify their own existence/guard their territory. In other words you were wrong
 

I took it that you’d asked me (for the first time) the basis upon which I’d condone colonisation if I was American. You dribble on about these idea having “no basis in reality”
 

Again you seem imbued with a belief that American whites are morally inferior to you because their ancestors were colonists of a particular territory.
 

hahahaha. So you insist on speaking for american whites, as in all american whites huh. ok, lets play this game. Lets dig into your point a little bit. So according to you, all american whites are entitled to live in the united states because a specific group of whites forcefully settled this territory hundreds of years ago...
 

No you weren’t. You’ve made the same blockhead error in the above. You say that “imperialism” came “into fruition” as a result of the foundation of the USA. It’s just a completely brainless statement, as human empires and human empire-building have occurred throughout human history...
 

You keep on mixing up ‘colonisation’ with ‘imperialism’. As per previously, whites must necessarily justify the fact that they established themselves in North America, otherwise they are submitting to rationale which can only justify their genocide.

American white nationalists don’t tend to celebrate imperialism, as their dominant national mythology is that they are descended from settlers who were pushed out of western Europe and who then went to break free of the yoke of British imperialism (Empire)…
 

sure “colonialism”and “imperialism” are two different concepts, however they’re not completely separate in practice. I think its more accurate to say that all colonialism is a form of (cultural and ethnic) imperialism while not all imperialism is a form of colonialism. So I think there is a point where the two concepts merge, but its a one directional relationship. Its hardly as clearcut as you’re acting like it is. Additionally all subsequent things like imperialism, globalization, mass immigration etc ALL flow from the original colonization of the americas. The united states has played a pivotal role in imperialism, globalization and mass immigration and none of these things would have been as easily possible if the united states had never existed in the first place. So yeah, good job, you didnt disprove my point at all. You just tried to split hairs and argue semantics while avoiding addressing the actual point
 

I said to you that WNs don’t support the idea of an extensive American Empire, which crushes all in its path. You get mixed up because you don’t understand the term “imperialism”, so you then think that the fact that a WN might consider (e.g.) the British Empire, the French Empire etc to have been beneficial in net terms to those affected by it, that this then means they support “Imperialism” unconditionally in all contexts.
 

In any case, this is incredibly ingenuous. Do you really think I havent heard white nationalists use this one before? Ive debated with plenty of white nationalists, they always make excuses for prior western imperialism, they like to refer to it as “civilizing the savages”. Its rich hearing you try to pass off this pablum about white nationalists being “not celebrating” imperialism and think I would believe that bullshit. My extensive history of debating with white nationalists says otherwise
 

Your state that the nature of whites’ colonisation of America means that they should not “complain” about the invasion of the US territory by those who either have no potential to join the majority white ethnicity, or who have no interest in joining it/are under no compulsion to join.
 

whites arent allowed to complain about their displacement due to the way in which the americas was colonized
 

My entire point was asking why do white nationalists complain about their own displacement while condoning how whites have historically treated other people. The solution here is simple, you’re entitled to complain about white displacement all you want, thats not the problem, but if you do choose to complain about white displacement then you should be consistent and refrain from condoning past instances where whites have displaced other cultures.
 

If I was American white, I would be for “colonisation” (immigration and settlement of foreigners) on the grounds I laid out above. I would not want “colonisation” to be “condoned” on other grounds.
 

It’s impossible for a group of people to support their claim that their group should not be displaced if they can’t justify (“condone”. in your dreary Brown/Jew/Yellow Nationalist rhetoric) why they are dominant in that particular territory in the first place.
 

White nationalists aren't ever coming to power. They're rejected at the ballot box. Cosmetic white nationalism (aka right wing populism) that is more electorally palatable is also a failure. It made some gains in the 2010s but is now on the decline throughout Europe. Parties like Alternative for Germany, Swedish Democrats, National Rally etc have dropped in the opinion polls. Reality is, the vast majority of people don't give a crap about race and the irrational "it's da Jooz" conspiracy theories spouted on this website.

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So again you confirm that it has nothing to do with morality but only power. So if WNs do come to power, and reverse immigration, the moral question will not/cannot be raised then, I hope. Lets make that clear
 

Like if the US wasnt being deluged with mass immigration and was in a strong position then white nationalists could brag and celebrate the colonial history of the west all they wanted to, I really wouldnt give a fuck, im just bothered by white nationalists bragging and celebrating about colonialism while they complain about experiencing this exact same kind of treatment.
 

Replies: @Malla, @Malla

Immigrants replacing whites by any and whatever means, even to the point of extinction, is not termed genocide but should whites rise up and expel the immigrants back to wherever they came from then all would scream its evil genocide. It's pointless arguing with some people.

you are outlining a point of view which is that no human group should attempt to defend their territory from invasion
 

Replies: @Sir Launcelot Canning, @fatmanscoop, @GeneralRipper

I have given a definition of the action of “colonisation” which does not ascribe any moral weighting to the action. This is the action of an ethnic group in establishing itself in an area. This is in recognition of what you’ve typed above.
 

I take “colonization” to mean the “the action of an ethnic group of establishing itself in an area”. I fail to see why the colonization of any area by ‘white people’ (your “European colonialism”) is de facto more morally obscene to you than, e.g., the colonization of any area by Bantu-origin black people in a part of Africa. Perhaps you’re a black, I don’t know. All areas of the planet that are inhabited and controlled have been colonized.
 

My view would be something like this. There was an original ethnic group which formed the US nation. They (I think) basically came to refer to themselves as “whites” and this term had genetic significance ...

 

Again you seem imbued with a belief that American whites are morally inferior to you because their ancestors were colonists of a particular territory.
 

This does not mean that an ‘xx’ newcomer has to have a genetic link to the descendants of New England puritan settlers or whatever....
 

If I was American white, I would be for “colonisation” (immigration and settlement of foreigners) on the grounds I laid out above. I would not want “colonisation” to be “condoned” on other grounds....
 

Again, if I was an American, I would wish for the govt to “condone colonisation” on the basis I’ve outlined above (melting pot with single dominant ethnicity etc).
 

I’ve tried to tell you that the logic of your PC “colonisation” ideology is ultimately that no tribe of people has a right to separately define its boundaries anywhere on this planet. This is a double-edged sword that will lead to mass dispossession as per the Soviet ideology, but you don’t want to acknowledge it.
 

But the idea that the colonisation of North America by white people means that the USA has played a “pivotal role” in empire building (per se) doesn’t make sense. It denotes the degree to which the concept of empire-building is racialised in your mind.
 

When I identify hypocrisy among a political group and get annoyed about it, it’s because I dislike the group in question. E.g. I strongly dislike PC whites and can identify their hypocrosies very quickly. So stop pretending that you’re disinterested, it’s pathetic.
 

Replies: @Fatmanscoop

No you’re getting mixed up. Human groups can justify their colonization of a particular territory on any grounds…

 

No, as a prerequisite for any ideological justification advocating white ethnic control of the territory, whites must believe their presence in a territory to be justified (“condone colonization”)...
 

Again you seem imbued with a belief that American whites are morally inferior to you because their ancestors were colonists of a particular territory.
 

It’s different anyway because your talking about North America. The white settlers were independent settlers.
 

You keep on mixing up ‘colonisation’ with ‘imperialism’. As per previously, whites must necessarily justify the fact that they established themselves in North America, otherwise they are submitting to rationale which can only justify their genocide.

American white nationalists don’t tend to celebrate imperialism, as their dominant national mythology is that they are descended from settlers who were pushed out of western Europe and who then went to break free of the yoke of British imperialism (Empire)...

 

AGAIN I don’t agree with you that white people should form communal beliefs that they have no right to be in the territory which they inhabit, because this will be a successful strategy towards us gaining allies. That is close to insane, and a strategy that is a nailed-on failure.
 

Again, the word means approving of something that is immoral. In which case you must not condone your own colonisation of the area in which you are stituated and remove yourself from this planet. Given you’re so keen on hypocrisy.
 

When do you think you’re going to be able to do that? The logic of the current system means that you won’t be able to separate via your own identity and assert that in any meaningful sense. Because clearly the current Jew/White leadership has no interest in granting you separate territory. Their interest is in having subdued dependents and they think browns fit the bill.
 

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By saying that any group of people should not “condone” (accept something that is immoral) their “colonization” (the apparently immoral act in question) of an area by then taking subsequent steps to justify and establish their continued control over that area , you are saying that *any* ethnic colonization of an area with subsequent control techniques (borders, national history, military, etc) is immoral. Therefore no group of people should colonize an area and establish borders to safeguard that territory.
 

Condoning colonization as the justification for why whites should be able to control the policies of this country only works when youre in a position of power. Condoning colonialism by itself isnt bad, rather its just a stupid thing to do when youre simultaneously complaining about your own poor treatment and the massive amounts of immigration in this country (thus suggesting youre in a position of weakness). Defending colonialism in your current position is a poor choice, youll just alienate people and have more people use your own logic against you. Youre better off being more reconciliatory, accommodating and willing to compromise and work with others in order to win people to your side.

When you lack power this is your reality. You have to find other ways to convince people to help you achieve your goals since you lack the power to do achieve things by yourself. If you disagree with me then tell me where’s your power? You and I both know that white nationalists are basically powerless, so whats the point in talking big and boasting when you cant back it up? When youre weak its better to not boast and not be pushy so that you reduce the chances of revealing your own weak position, this is opposed to coming out swinging but then be revealed to be a paper tiger which is exactly what white nationalists do. So besides boasting about the west’s past colonial exploits what else can you do? wheres your power? You can say that youre justified to be in this land because your ancestors colonized it until youre blue in the face but it wont matter to someone or something that is more powerful than you:

you: “im justified to be here because my ancestors conquered the place!”

the government: “ok lol, heres another 500,000 immigrants”

wheres your justification now? a whole lot of good that did you. If youre in a weak position and unable to back up your rhetoric with force then passionately defending colonialism is a bad idea, especially when you consider that it was colonialism which made the world much much smaller in the first place (it was the first iteration of modern globalization) which in turn helped created the conditions under which mass immigration could subsequently occur. So by celebrating colonialism you also justify mass immigration and globalization as well. Western colonialism was the proverbial pandoras box, the west opened it and now they cant close it again even though white nationalists wish that they could

One last thing, im using condone in the sense of actively approving of as opposed to condone in the sense of reluctantly acknowledging. My original argument is that white nationalists should stop condoning (in the sense of actively approving of something) colonialism if they insist on complaining about their current situation. I was never making the argument that whites should not condone (this time in the sense of reluctantly acknowledging something) european colonialism in order to justify their existence. The only slack im willing to give you is that I do agree that there was some semantic confusion in what we meant by the use of the word "condone".

Although this wasnt my original position, I will honor the effort you put into writing your response by giving you my thoughts on the matter and to clarify my position on this topic, I’m ok with whites condoning (in the sense of reluctantly acknowledging) colonialism in order to justify their existence on this territory. I have no problems with that because its common sense, its an imperfect but understandable compromise. Modern whites arent responsible for the actions of their ancestors and it would be impracticable to demand that all whites move back to europe or whatever, whats done is done. Furthermore whites justify their own presence via force in numbers, therefore whites dont need any kind of rhetoric to justify their existence in this territory. To simply exist in a territory is justification in itself. Its politically impossible to deport all whites back to europe and all whites no matter what their political orientations are are going to stay in the US and not allow themselves to be deported back to europe. theres your justification right there.

Whites already have all the justification they need to exist in this territory, if whites choose not to have enough kids or have kids with partners from different races then this goes far beyond whites needing some kind of justification to exist in this area and is actually an entirely different topic altogether. OTOH I dont support white nationalists condoning (in the sense of readily or happily approving of) colonialism if they insist on complaining about how unfair the current situation is. It's just hypocritical really, why would you be so eager about defending how people were mistreated in the past but then start complaining when it starts happening to you? isnt that stupid? Besides its a really really bad idea to be supporting the notion that might makes right when you're in a position of weakness because obviously your support of the notion that might makes right can easily be turned around and used on you too if you're not strong enough to prevent it. The problems that white nationalists discuss go far far beyond simply needing some kind of justification for whites being present in this continent, and ultimately like I said it all comes down to power or lack thereof

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You are saying that whites should not offer justification for (“condone”) why we dominate in a particular territory, but at the same time we should complain about being displaced. That is of course fundarmentally useless and would remove our ability to logically justify our existence in a particular territory.
 

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They/we complain because they/we do not want it to happen and because they/we would like to force out and humiliate Jews – rather than it being the way it currently is. The first step to reversing the trend is to talk about it in complaining terms. Isn’t that simple? Your tedious id-ing of hypocrisy is like asking why Native Americans complain about Whites’ actions, given that these Native American groups must themselves have replaced competitor Indian groups at some point in their history. By that principle, every human group alive should forbid themselves from complaining about their condition, because that complainant group must necessarily have out-competed another at some point during its history.
 

Exactly, those deemed innocent are the ones without a written history so nobody knows who they displaced. The idea of a "Native American" is silly anyway. Is someone from a tribe that lived in Brazil more native to Alaska than I am? It's nonsense, being native to two huge continents is about the same as being native to earth.

They/we complain because they/we do not want it to happen and because they/we would like to force out and humiliate Jews – rather than it being the way it currently is. The first step to reversing the trend is to talk about it in complaining terms. Isn’t that simple?
 

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