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    If you have been wondering when the twenty Democratic aspirants for the presidency will begin a serious discussion of American foreign policy in the Middle East, where Washington has been bogged down in both current and impending wars, you are not alone. With the honorable exception of Tulsi Gabbard, no one seems keen to touch...
  • @mark green
    @Henry_Bowman U.C.

    The 'squad' are something of an exception. This swarthy gang is seen by most voters as being slightly deranged. Their radical and emotional positions on so many other issues (immigration, Trump, free everything) actually sully their bold (and reasonable) criticisms of Israel.

    For this reason, the 'squad' are (almost) good for Israel since their anti-Zionism is conflated with primitive, anti-white, Third World extremism.

    What the Zionist establishment fears most is the emergence of a sensible, charismatic, intelligent, patriotic, pro-white male candidate who dares to run the ruthless gauntlet of Zionist gatekeepers.

    Replies: @Double Down

    What the Zionist establishment fears most is the emergence of a sensible, charismatic, intelligent, patriotic, pro-white male candidate who dares to run the ruthless gauntlet of Zionist gatekeepers.

    Actually, they do not fear this at all, since the odds of this occurring are nil in the short-term. But Israeli Jews have been fairly explicit about what they do fear:

    “The growing Haredi radicalization [fundamentalist, anti-Zionist Jewish movement] poses a bigger risk [to Israel] than Ahmadinejad.” — Efraim Halevy, former Head of Mossad

    Intermarriage among US Jews is the demographic equivalent of “a second Holocaust.” — Rafi Peretz, Israeli Minister of Education

    Intelligent Jews fear the loss of the high-IQ, Ashkenazi population, who blend in well with the upper echelons of Western society, while still keeping their tribal loyalties. They dread a world in which the only Jews are low-IQ Orthodox Jews, who stick out like sore thumbs. For some perspective, the poorest two towns in all of New York are both Orthodox Jewish communities. The same rule holds in Israel, which has among the highest poverty rates of any OCED country.

    People are ascribing too much competence to Kushner, Bolton, et al. Even if they wished to help Israel, they probably wouldn’t know how, much in the same way the Bush and Obama administrations attempted to help the Middle East and ended up destroying much of the region.

    I wouldn’t wish Bolton’s “help” on our worst enemies.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    @Double Down


    much in the same way the Bush and Obama administrations attempted to help the Middle East
     
    You were close, but your statement needs to be revised as follows to be factually correct:

    ... much in the same way the Bush and Obama administrations attempted to help Supremacist Jews remake the Middle East to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle
     
  • @AnonStarter
    @Double Down

    All right, I grant you're not a bot, and your logic actually looks good, but I wouldn't put it past much of the Ultra-Orthodox rabbinate to change course with respect to military service at some point in the near future, particularly when the demographic shift all but necessitates it. This could be rationalized with an appeal to messianic apocalyptic dementia.

    The Orthodox already have a sizeable serving constituency acting upon the imperatives of The King's Torah. When push comes to shove, there's no reason to think others won't be made to join their ranks, however much some might protest.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Double Down

    Of course, at some point, there will be a greater presence of the ultra orthodox in the military.

    But an Israel, run by ultra orthodox, will be incapable of fielding a modern army or supporting an economy to back it up. Ultra orthodox men attend Yeshiva for education, where they spend their day studying Jewish texts, without any exposure to Western subjects, like history, science or math. The education is similar to a Pakistani madras. Once a population spends several decades going down this path — basically, divorcing itself from the modern world — there is no going back.

  • @silviosilver
    @Double Down


    By arming Israel, it allows their leadership to procrastinate on the issue of Orthodox Jews
     
    Otherwise what? If America ceased paying tribute to Israel and refused to provide it with arms, what would Israel do any differently that would be of any consequence to critics of Jewish power on this thread?

    Replies: @Double Down

    It would bolster the Israeli center-left’s (Blue and White Party) claim, that there should be immediate, aggressive efforts to secularize ultra-orthodox Jews, including mandatory conscription for the military and non-religious education. This is currently the biggest issue in Israeli politics, and causing a rift in the current government. But the public is fairly divided on how to act.

    The quickest way to ensure this happens is for Israel’s center-left to make the legitimate claim that the US is no longer a reliable ally, as evidenced by younger Democrats populist shift away from pro-Jewish stances, and increasing Republican isolationism (at least in the Middle East).

    If Israel succeeds in reigning in the ultra orthodox, they can turn it around. If they wait fifteen years, the high birth rates among the ultra orthodox make it implausible. If they wait another birth cycle, it makes it impossible, as the ultra orthodox will hit a political plurality, dictating Israeli politics more than any other group.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Double Down


    It would bolster the Israeli center-left’s (Blue and White Party)
     
    Netanyahu and Gantz seem to have very similar positions, so it is not really a left-right election. The center-right will obtain the most votes either way. The problem is that neither center-right party will form a coalition with the other one. Gantz seemed to open the door for a compromise on that front, but within 24 hours slammed it shut again (1).

    If there is another stalemate election where the center-right top vote getter needs Orthodox parties and Avigdor's support -- The most likely finesse move will be requiring orthodox youth to serve, but allowing them to do so in orthodox only units. There are plenty of high manpower needs, such as patrolling fence lines, that orthodox units can fill.

    Whether such a finesse will succeed.... I'd give it 50%/50%.
    _______

    Islamic 'one state' conquest plans are all about outnumbering Jews, and the only counter to that is maintaining favorable demographics. Thus, Israel cannot start working on the issue of population growth among Palestinian Jews until the population growth of foreign occupiers comes down or stops. Iranian al'Hamas destruction of the fresh water supply in Gaza will eventually impose sharp limits on population growth there. However, that may still be years away.

    PEACE 😇

    _____

    (1) https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Gantz-confuses-with-coalition-flip-flop-597420

    Replies: @Colin Wright

  • @AnonStarter
    @Double Down

    "Double Down," another sockpuppet with a grand total of one post.

    Looks like the usual suspects just can't muster the numbers they need here to overwhelm their opposition.

    Replies: @Double Down

    Yep, a Mossad bot, that’s me.

    The point still stands. The cleanest, most feasible way to handle the Israel problem (as well as the disproportionate Jewish influence in the US) is to attempt to speed up the process that is already occurring. Secular Ashkenazi Jews (i.e., the intelligent, influential ones) are rapidly waning demographically, while Orthodox, disproportionately Shepardic Jews are exploding population-wise.

    It is the secular, left-leaning Ashkenazi that have been a consistent problem in US politics, leading to domestic and foreign policy boondoggles. But the idea that Tulsi Gabbard or any single person can buck this trend is naive. Trump is an anomaly in that he is a billionaire, but he still needs their financial support for downstream candidates. Additionally, there is pro-Israel inertia among conservative whites, which won’t change.

    But this support can be redirected toward deemphasizing the Ashkenazi and promoting the Orthodox. Your average Republican politician or voter is oblvious to all of this: they think they are supporting Israel either way, so they’re good. Additionally, it deflates any charge of anti-Semitism.

    To a certain degree, Trump is doing this. I don’t think he is conscious of it, but the pattern is there: on strategic issues (like judgeships, military intervention, etc) he is quietly keeping Ashkenazi influence contained, but on high-profile, symbolic issues (embassy in Jerusalem!) he tends to side with the Conservative Orthodox. Secular Jews view this ambivalently, to put it mildly.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    @Double Down

    All right, I grant you're not a bot, and your logic actually looks good, but I wouldn't put it past much of the Ultra-Orthodox rabbinate to change course with respect to military service at some point in the near future, particularly when the demographic shift all but necessitates it. This could be rationalized with an appeal to messianic apocalyptic dementia.

    The Orthodox already have a sizeable serving constituency acting upon the imperatives of The King's Torah. When push comes to shove, there's no reason to think others won't be made to join their ranks, however much some might protest.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Double Down

    , @Desert Fox
    @Double Down

    Trump is a controlled agent of zionism.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Z-man

  • If US leaders were being truly Machiavellian, they would double down on their support for Netanyahu, while simultaneously arming Israel with conventional weapons.

    Netanyahu gets a large portion of his support from backward, ultra orthodox Jews, who have exceptionally high birth rates (around 7 children per woman) and are extremely politically active. They are expected to be around 1/4th of the Israeli population in twenty years. If this continues, it will turn Israel into a 3rd world country by mid-century, since secular Jews only have slightly-above-replacement birth rates and the ultra orthodox do not have the human capital to support a modern economy.

    By arming Israel, it allows their leadership to procrastinate on the issue of Orthodox Jews (who do not serve in the military), allowing the problem to metastasize demographically. Israel has around 30 years to solve the issue before it’s too late, and they are reduced to a regional, third world nation.

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    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    @Double Down

    "Double Down," another sockpuppet with a grand total of one post.

    Looks like the usual suspects just can't muster the numbers they need here to overwhelm their opposition.

    Replies: @Double Down

    , @silviosilver
    @Double Down


    By arming Israel, it allows their leadership to procrastinate on the issue of Orthodox Jews
     
    Otherwise what? If America ceased paying tribute to Israel and refused to provide it with arms, what would Israel do any differently that would be of any consequence to critics of Jewish power on this thread?

    Replies: @Double Down

    , @joesey
    @Double Down

    NOT 30 YEARS.....ONLY 12 YEARS LEFT FOR THEM.