1.) Third and higher generation Americans includes both whites and blacks. How does the number compare to third and higher generation whites?

2.) Regardless, this is not an economic issue. This is a cultural issue. I would rather take an economic hit and keep my forefather's America than have Mexico Norte and a few extra dollars in my pocket.

Replies: @ben tillman

What planet do you live on? The only hysteria I see is the left’s insane reaction to the enforcement of immigration policy and regulation.

All these sorts of "facts" on the superiority of immigrants relative to natives boil down to "immigrants are better than blacks".

Furthermore these "less welfare" "facts" are highly dependent on what is considered "welfare". Is free schooling considered welfare? If so then the answer becomes a firm "no".

Then if you move from just expenditure to the question "are immigrants net taxpayers or tax-eaters", then it's not even close. The Asians in general--at least the ones on salary where they can't easily hide their incomes--are net taxpayers. But the big Mexican/Central American/Caribbean "Hispanic" influx are overwhelmingly net tax-eaters. They simply don't have incomes high enough to pay taxes commensurate with their share.

Replies: @Alden

Jordan Peterson is a fool or a knave who's happy to repeat the stupid lies of others if he thinks they'll help establish the reasonableness of his position on the sexes.

And that tweet is a stupid lie.

Jordan Peterson is classic controlled opposition. They get a guy with an authoritative voice, and promote the hell out of him. The first stuff he says when he is building his reputation is 100% spot on, with some omissions usually. And then it's 90% right but 10% is a big, steaming pile of crap. Half smart people will say, "I really like a lot of what X says, maybe he's not 100% on all things but he says a lot of good stuff." And I'm like, no, you idiot, he's just another Judas Goat leading you towards the slaughterhouse.

ZAZ does this to good effect in movies like Airplane. They get actors with authoritative voices to start saying nonsensical stuff but in character, which makes the joke. In propaganda, they stay in character, tell the truth most of the time but work in lies when necessary, and the rubes once lulled into a false sense of security, don't question.

Replies: @Harry Baldwin

'The words of Jose Antonio Vargas" lolz

CATO logic: the Social Security system, paid for in whole by third-and-higher-generation Americans, from which low-income immigrants benefit the most, is welfare when the white middle class cashes in at retirement. This anti-migrant hysteria won't be ending until the entire population of those added to the US population since 1990 is stuffed in a giant Trump catapult and flung over the wall. Then, we shall recover our senses. You can help by starting a Patreon account for your poor immigrant friends. They'll need luggage.

So if Hispanics (ie Mestizos) are so successful than we can take away Affirmative Action, correct? The data from all kinds of tests is pretty clear: the children and grandchildren of low-skilled Latin American immigrants under perform the White average by a significant margin. Wealth production, IQ, every academic test known to man. IIRC, they have higher welfare rates than White Americans, but you're welcome to link to data if you think I'm wrong.

The White elites of Mexico are unloading their low-IQ Indio peasants on the US. Most of these people aren't bad, but most of these people aren't high achieving either. On top of that, the most common low-skilled job, driver, is on the verge of disappearing due to automation. We obviously don't need tens of millions of 93-IQ Indios, even if they do have generally agreeable dispositions.

On top of all this there's the matter of assimilation and national identity.

So no, we don't need any more of them and they don't improve our country.

"Uncomfortable honesty and radical empathy" would give us something far different from what Jose imagines.

This is just more dreary fantasy where "immigrants" are now some special ethnic group: better than the natives! less welfare! what we so badly need!

Let's reword the tweet and see how it is received:

Jordan B Peterson
✔
@jordanbpeterson

Asian/White Americans and Their Children Use Less Welfare than Third-and-Higher Generation non-Asian/White Americans http://noticing.
 

Except for the fact that immigrants are, in the main, neither virtuous, nor persecuted. And BTW equality before the law precludes standing for your claim.

But hey, let us house 25 of them in your home. And let us make you responsible for them. Yes, you will vouchsafe their character, and if not, you will pay for all harm they do.

How about that Spanky?

America is dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. It’s in the declaration of independence.
 

"...the proposition that all men are created equal."

And after that you're on your own, baby.

h/t WSJ ad circa 1985-1995

And read in context with the rest of the document--a document that was a declaration to dissolve the political bonds with the British Crown, denying the royal prerogative of the Monarch to rule other men.

Context.
The rights of Englishmen, colonists creating civilization out of wilderness, asking their King back in England to recognize their rights equal to Englishmen in the Mother Country.
To read universalism into TJ's phrase is not valid.
We are English by blood, language, culture. We are settlers, colonists, homesteaders, pioneers.
The "proposition nation" is a modern rumor. Check the web tool for word use through time. Americans self identified as pioneers, settlers, homesteaders since the beginning.

Replies: @Corvinus

Rough week for White Supremacy…
 

Replies: @Pericles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIinyYwmB04

The n of that study is under 50

Replies: @Steve Sailer

A large number of actual scientific studies have shown that environment has virtually no effect on IQ. Socioeconomic status does, however, have an significant effect on success in life, given the power of the connected to favor their own relatives...

Chimpanzees have races and so do gorillas, but humans are claimed to be creatures above the natural world for whom there are no races only 'social constructs'. This is some vaguely Victorian quasi-religious doctrine. Similarly everyone everywhere has always recognized that some people are more able mentally than others, yet we are served up this fantasy that its all a mistake and an illusion and that all people are equally clever.

Why would anyone believe this crap? Just so no one will call you a racist? There is a simple remedy.

I used to call myself a race realist. But I'm too tired for all the BS now. I'm a racist. I of course mean the term racist denotatively - races are real and they have different attributes, Somehow everyone uses the term racist connotatively - meaning being like Hitler or Bull Connor or some other disagreeable guy.

It's time to sink the euphemism of "Race Realist". We need plain speech and the acceptance of the obvious. There's nothing wrong with being a racist.

Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country

"..erosion of White privilege..." said the man who lives in an all-White neighborhood of Seattle.

Delete your account.

A prog POS safely ensconced in Seattle spews his smug hatred over conservatives. Big whoop. Apparently also tweets dreamily about Stalin-era size wind turbines.

This one was funny though:

If NYT really wants to expose its readers to the right, it should give Dinesh D'Souza, Dana Loesch, or Ben Shapiro a column. Let readers see, up close & personal, the crude tribalism & resentment that animate the RW base.

 

Replies: @anonymous, @AndrewR, @Jack Hanson, @J.Ross

How is it that this particular characterization of "the right" is always true? Isn't that odd? It's almost as if this characterization is a puzzle piece that fits into a particular hole in the SJW brain rather than an actual description of an external reality.

'The contemporary right-wing in the US has become, in Lionel Trilling's immortal words, a bundle of "irritable mental gestures which seek to resemble ideas." It's just a tangle of resentments & bigotries, driven by the erosion of white privilege.'

Beautiful. What a pitch-perfect display of psychological projection!

Now let's convert this gibberish into TrueFact:

The contemporary left wing in the US has become, in Lionel Trilling's immortal words, a bundle of irritable mental gestures which seek to resemble ideas. It's just a tangle of resentments & bigotries, driven by the erosion of white confidence.

The vast majority of economists disagree with your view of immigration.
 

The destruction of American jobs has taken place over decades. American workers used to do this work and can do it again, but the employer selected this location and created a culture for Mexicans. Do you expect workers who where forced out of their jobs 5, 10 or 15 years ago to be hanging around ready to jump in and take a job from such an employer?

Some of the people who would have filled these jobs have, indeed, become drug addicts or are in jail, or have simply moved on. So, I'm not going to cry for an employer who has to adapt to finally being forced to do the right thing by hiring citizens or legal temporary workers.

Meat packing plants in the midwest are importing African workers. Again, it's not that they couldn't find Americans to fill those jobs, they don't try. Some jobs will have to pay more, will have to make English speakers welcome, will have to show some loyalty to their work force before they can fill those positions with citizens.

Liberals support this kind of scab activity of undercutting workers' wages, but only when it comes to the white people they hate. As a liberal, I assume you support the unions, so it's kind of hypocritical to not notice that illegal immigrants undercut the nonunion working man. Oh, that's right, unions are like a big fence or wall that protects them from "unfair" competition. Good for them, bad for us.

Illegal immigrants have taken jobs from citizens I know who wanted and needed them. They have kept down wages for the working class. They have raised property taxes for schools. They have done plenty of bad. I only wish one had taken your job, whatever it is.

Cactus, TX is an American s**thole. I used to have the city government as a client and worked there twice a year. In addition to the slaughterhouse there used to be a tanning company; I don’t know whether it is still operating. Its rendering plant was the foulest smelling facility I’ve ever been in.

The city’s waste water treatment facility had to take on all the waste that went down the drain from the slaughterhouse and tanning facility. The waste pond had a layer of scum that was literally a foot thick that had to be dredged several times a year by an outside contractor. Their nightmare fear was falling in, which they viewed as a fate worse than death.

The town’s entertainment venue was a bar, the name of which was Satan’s Palace. I’m not kidding. I don’t remember seeing it the last time I drove through town.

Towns all over the Midwest were sold a bill of goods in allowing slaughterhouses to be built. Most of the promised jobs went to illegal aliens and the increased tax base was more than offset by the rising costs of police, public schools, and social services, while the quality of life took a huge nosedive. Crime, litter, illegitimacy, and drug use all went up; social trust went down.

Smart towns have learned their lesson; I read about a couple of small towns in Nebraska that said “no thanks” to slaughterhouses in the last few years.

Believe me; no reader on this site would want to live in Cactus. It has been absolutely ruined by immigration, both legal and illegal.

Replies: @Steve Sailer

Oh, and one bad thing done to me by an illegal? How about the one who ran a red light and broadsided me? He had no registration, no license, and no insurance. I had no recourse and have had 20 years of pain and medical bills from the neck injuries I sustained.

And then there were the two burglars that hit my apartment when I was in college. At least one of them was an illegal, if I remember correctly. I got in a knock-down, drag-out fight with one of them, while my roommate took off after the other. That resulted in my getting kicked through a bannister and a very nasty sliced artery in one leg that curtailed my activities for a couple of months. At least that one had a happy ending; my roommate brought the one he chased back to our apartment, where we presented the gospel to him. Then we drove him home on the way to the hospital to get my leg patched up. The other run returned the next day and we presented the gospel to him. Both made professions of faith, joined a Spanish speaking Baptist church, and made restitution to our landlord for the damage done.

Two of my adult kids have also been hit in vehicle accidents by illegals , both with no license and no insurance. My daughter still suffers 15 years later from the back injury she had as a result. My son was the only one who received any compensation; he took the guy’s wallet and took out all of the money to help with the deductible on his car. My son had gotten out of boot camp about a month before and still felt two meters tall and covered with hair, so felt perfectly at ease shaking down the guy.

I'm guessing the Cactus plant was not "kosher."

http://fortune.com/2017/12/21/trump-commute-sentence-sholom-rubashkin/

No history of migration between Egypt and Israel? There’s a whole book of the Bible about it.

USA is to Mexico as Israel is to Egypt is not a valid analogy.
 

When you are drowning, any little breath helps.

Patriotic Correctness is causing us to leave trillion dollar bills on the sidewalk.
 

You tell 'em: never give up on your noble dream to sell more diapers and toilet-paper, son.

CL, My wife and I traveled across the Sinai from Tel Aviv to Cairo by bus, on the first bus to do that after the Six Day War. There is nothing but burning dessert between the two cities. It took us a full day and the only notable sights along the way were burned out wreckage from the war. Not too many illegals sneaking from the US to Canada or vice versa at this end of the country. Well secured bridge crossings or mile of open lakes, Erie and Ontario.

Hispanic/Immigrant crime is vastly overstated by “race realists”.
 

Replies: @Pat Kittle, @Jefferson

Look at this page:

http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

Replies: @Hare Krishna

Got anything from the past couple years? In 2010 they were still self-deporting due to the 2008 crash.

Totally agree. Check out all these honkies:

https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/Fugitives

https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/sexOffenders

https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/stillWanted

Replies: @Big Bill

You are correct. Also, "race realists" are in denial about how much Trump is cucked - he wants black approval so he's willing to look the other way at black dysfunction and crime

Because 25 years ago no one wore a hijab in all of Canada let alone covered their face. Now this excrement is everywhere!!!!

Canada, the retarded step child of Sweden.

I grew up where this happened, by the way.... Scarborough is a sh!thole!!!

It becomes a problem when she identifies as a Canadian by proclaiming, "This is not who we are".

Hey, Mom, where do you get this "we" shit?

Replies: @Johnbeck

If nothing else, it suggests that immigrants don't assimilate as readily as some people claim.

And exactly where is Trump if he loses a third of his support? His most vocal and committed third at that. And how many more will he lose when all the details come out?

Keep in mind that Trump can't even afford to lose 5% of his support, let alone 30.

Daniel Dale is one of the biggest D bags in the pro immigrant movement, which is saying a lot.

Historians will one day list the failure of the US to effectively close its border to Latin America's peasant class and take the steps needed to remove most of its illegal population (look to Israel for an example!) as a key factor in its demise.
You're posting shows an obvious ignorance about human biodiversity and the low human capital of most illegals. The bulk of these "dreamers" are Mestizos and Mesoamerican Indians- Mestizos and Amerindians have consistently higher rates of poverty, illegitimacy, welfare use and crime, extending across multiple generations, than either Jews, Asians or whites (including those Hispanics of Spanish or other Euro descent). Due to our gov't's foolish immigration policies this demographic is exploding in size, something that apparently doesn't bother you in the least.
So only a lunatic would consider turning the richest and most technologically advanced country in human history into a Third World hellhole due to immigration policies that could easily be changed to be on the "right side of history."

Replies: @War for Blair Mountain, @Anonymous

A baldfaced lie...I don't know a single Trump voter (and I know dozens) who supports amnesty in any form...You idiots have been cooking polls since FDR, but it won't work.

Yes, in the same sense the Romans were on the wrong side of history when they incorporated the various Germanic and Frankic barbarians into their realm.

> You guys are on the wrong side of history.

It's hard to communicate nuance on the internet. Are you saying that with glee, regret, disdain, sorrow, or delight?

A glance at America's ruling elites shows the character of your "right side". The public virtues are at historic lows, and still sinking.

Everything about that tweet -- the overreliance on polls, the "with us" litmus test logic, the simplification of the position of a proven master negotiator -- shows "not one step [forward]" since the election by the Clintoniots.

Brilliant. All we have to do is create a bunch more of the very most unique city in the world. How do we start?

Replies: @Chase

Owned.

We need criminal justice reform now.
 

Or you could just live in an almost totally white city. Or one in Japan.

Liberalism, classical or whatever, means 'whatever I feel like at any moment is good and right' to women. JS Mill proposes that only that which injures others should be restricted by the state. Which only applies to men, who injure women by their very existence, in word and deed. Mill himself with his creepy muse would be with the feminists now. Classical liberalism is a recipe for feminocracy. Exactly as we are seeing. It's not an answer, it's the cause of the current problem.

Great win tonight for common sense immigration reform.
 

This article says that the brain drain suffered in a "Trumpist Racial Nationalist" America would be on a par with that suffered by Nazi Germany (I take it this presumes Trump really is Literally Hitler & the US Whitopia's policies would resemble those of Nazi Germany).

And of course pre-WW2 Nazi Germany was famously scientifically incompetent and economically depressed, unable to build roads or maintain infrastructure, unable to compete with Britain or France. By the time of WW2 they were a complete laughing stock, and no challenge at all to their enemies.

Because if that was not true, the article would be full of crap.

Replies: @Anonym, @Alfa158, @Anonymous

Do you seriously think that was a good article?

The argument was:
1. Some places (North Korea) that care about racial homogeneity are bad
2. Some places with lots of white people (Ukraine) are bad
These points are completely insubstantial since some places since the main reasons for both of those places being bad is unrelated to their concern for racial homogeneity/the proportion of white people.

3. Intelligent white people would leave a racially homogenous America
This seems very dubious to me. In such situations people, of whatever background generally gravitate to their own side. The author cites some non-Jewish Germans who fled Nazi Germany, but this number was clearly insignificant compared to the total German population.
Secondly intelligent white people very much like living in very white areas whatever their political views (e.g. suburbs, Oregon).
Thirdly, the alternatives would be unattractive; I very much doubt that many white people would want to live in the rump ethnic portion of the US (especially given the people living there would hate them) or a third-world country and it's not guaranteed that Australia or Canada would accept them.
Fourthly, the IQ difference between conservative and liberal whites is not so vast that even if all whites left it would significantly reduce the nation's intelligence
http://anepigone.blogspot.fr/2008/11/politics-and-iq-conservative-democrats.html

4. There would not be intelligent non-white immigrants
There are many places with few Asian immigrants that managed just fine without them (e.g. Iceland)

5. Creating an all-white state would require a civil war
This isn't necessarily true. Americans move extremely frequently and non-white Americans are in very large part recent immigrants without deeply rooted attachments to their land.

6.An all-white state created via ethnic cleansing would be an unpleasant place to live.
There are several points about this. The first is that the proper comparison is not to the US as of today, but of a majority non-white US. There's good reason to think that this would be an unpleasant place to live. Firstly, majority non-white, non-Asian places are almost always unpleasant places to live, secondly ethnically divided countries (at least those with significant ethnic resentments, as a future US would have) are very often unpleasant places to live and thirdly it is unpleasant to live as a rich, intelligent minority in a non-white country.

The second is that, even if it were in the short-term (e.g. a decade), there's no reason to think it would remain so. Ethnically homogeneous countries (Germany, Japan, Russia) have been able to bounce back within decades from utter destruction (contrast diverse Lebanon/Iraq).
This is relevant to the comparison; a choice between living for twenty years in a poorer but then recovered white state, or living as a hated, shrinking minority in a non-white state for the rest of your life (as will your children or grandchildren). This is without even weighing the importance of your people's continued existence or their annihilation forever.

Replies: @AnotherDad

About to respond in that thread. Noah Smith is about to get a dose of uh Lee Kuan Yew style Confucian wisdom.

You can tell how great a piece it is because it contains the line:

Richard Florida has been following smart Americans around for a long time, and he has repeatedly noted how they like to live in diverse places.

First of all, no they don't. They like living in places where they can control how much diversity they're exposed to, and what kind of diversity it is. You don't see too many of them voluntarily moving to the barrio.

Second, I can't see the actual Florida article, but he appears to be talking about cities as a whole. As you and Noah Smith and Richard Florida know perfectly well, a city as a whole can be diverse, whereas the places people actually live are often quite segregated. If you were around here more often, you'd know how often we make fun of famous pro-diversity people who choose to live in nearly all-white places as soon as they get some money saved up.

Plus, does it actually ring true for all types of diversity? Where do you think your stereotypical smart person would prefer to live? Vermont or Mississippi? Washington state or Alabama? For nearly all of American history, the deep south was the most racially diverse part of the country, and I don't seem to recall the intellectual class flocking to live there. What they typically did, instead, was mock the people living there as backwards and ignorant, without getting into too many details about who it was who actually lives there. You see this even today, when libs talk about how violent places like Louisiana and Mississippi are, and just sort of assume that this is all because of dumb rednecks (note: it isn't).

I think what Florida actually found was that smart people like to live in wealthy areas, which also attract a lot of wealthy immigrants. To which I say "Well, duh.".

I also can't help but wonder why he thinks it is that famously diverse countries like Brazil aren't technological wonders. But I realize asking for that level of honesty from Smith would be too much.

Replies: @NOTA

If even business leaders - who are mostly rich white men - abandon an administration with even a whiff of white nationalism, imagine who would be in charge in a Whitopia. It would not be the Tim Cooks and Larry Pages and Elon Musks of the world.
 

This Noah Smith must be a very educated and intelligent fellow to write such stupid piece.

Tiny Duck appears to have revealed at least one, perhaps two, additional aliases. Way to go TD!

Smart people like Smith make assertions like the ones in the linked piece all the time, because they're certain most people don't understand that coorelation does not necessarily imply causation. So they get away with making purposely misleading statements all the time, e.g. smart upper middle class people seek out diversity, rather than noting the direction the arrow really points, which is that diversity seeks out prosperous upper middle class people. Now, those upper middle class people may live in close proximity to "diversity," but they erect all sorts of barriers, both seen and unseen, so that they can pick and choose when and how they experience diversity. In their kids' private schools not so much, but you know, affordable nannies and gardeners and maids are de rigueur, along with interesting ethnic restaurants, the kind that Frank Luntz enjoys.

And Smith obviously did not think things through when he wrote that any sort of "ethnic cleansing," i.e. partitioning would necessarily be violent. White flight to the suburbs in the 50s and 60s was anything but violent, and there is no reason to assume a similar migration today or in the future would be otherwise. Now, if the government steps in and actively prevents people from moving, or uses policies like Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing to force the middle class to absorb large numbers of poor, dysfunctional people into stable neighborhoods, then yes the chances for friction and confrontation go up.

First, a simple observation: Racial homogeneity is no guarantee of wealth. Don't believe me? Just look at a night photo of North Korea and South Korea:
 

OK, so North and South Korea are an experiment. They prove that institutions matter - that a homogeneous society can either be rich and happy or poor and hellish, depending on how well it's run.
 

Alt-righters explicitly call for America to be a white racial nation-state. Some cite Japan as an example of a successful ethnostate. Japan is great, there's no denying it. But I know Japan, and let me assure you, an American Whitopia would not be able to be Japan. It definitely wouldn't be Sweden or Denmark or Finland. It couldn't even be Hungary or Czech or Poland. It would probably end up more like Ukraine.
 

So here's the thing: Smart Americans have no desire to live in a Whitopia.
 

There's a clear precedent for this: Nazi Germany. Hitler's persecution of Jews made Jewish scientists leave. But it also prompted an exodus of non-Jewish scientists who weren't Jewish but who didn't like seeing their Jewish colleagues, friends, and spouses get persecuted - Erwin Schroedinger, for example, and Enrico Fermi. This resulted in a bonanza of talent for America, and it starved Nazi Germany of critical expertise in World War 2. Guess who built the atom bomb?
 

Throughout the entire article he consistently makes an error in his thinking.

He argues that an all-white America would be impoverished by the loss of its immigrant intellectual over-class. Nowhere does he discuss the effect upon our society wrought by the recent immigrant underclass.

He argues that were the Trumpian countryside to separate from Hilary's cities then, since the bulk of America's wealth is generated by an urban intellectual value-adding elite (himself!), the homespun ignoramuses of Ohio, clinging to their economy based on brute manufacture of big chunks of steel would fail to hold their own as one of the world's premier manufacturing and trading partners. They would falter and starve.

To back up this line of reasoning one would think that he would demonstrate that American lathes can no longer turn out symmetric, balanced, finely polished driveshafts for ships or precisely balanced turbine blades for electric generators but "one" would be disappointed. Instead he points to the opioid epidemic that currently plagues just those areas hardest hit by deindustrialization as evidence of the fecklessness of our working class, their helplessness when cut loose from the benevolent rule by their coastal urban overlords.

He doesn't see the opioid epidemic as a consequence of the policies enacted by union-busting scab labor imported by Hilary's Elite.

He shows himself to be living in a bubble, far removed from the concerns of the people he writes off. He doesn’t give a hoot about them--worse, he actively wishes them ill. He regards them as a true underclass--untouchables. What else does "deplorable" mean if not untouchable? The entire article is an exercise in malevolent wishful thinking reflecting the mindset of this new generation of information-age, social gossip-rich, skills-poor billionaires.

What kind of moron thinks that America was not a leading nation in innovation that produced plenty of wealth long before the arrival of today's wave of immigrants?

Just another know-nothing, humble genius who believes that without people like him, the world would turn to dung.

"Make of your life an experiment!" said Nietzsche in one of his existential moods. If Noah Smith really believes that we can't get along without him, then to prove his point he should leave.

As German recovery from WWII amply demonstrates, Germany really didn't need the Jews in order to run an advanced economy and create prosperous society. (What was done to Jews was wrong and inexcusable but that's entirely a different matter,. irrelevant to the argument made by Noah).

In the exact same way, America was doing fine without Jews, Hindu and Chinese. Many of these newcomers are indeed quite talented, competitive and contribute productively. Still, they also contribute significantly to an increasing lack of cohesion in the society. Chances are quite high that that a small differential between the select new elite and native whites fails to compensate for the existing discord. Ergo, in a long run American whites would be better off running their own society for themselves.

Replies: @Jack D

Beat it troll.

You do know this immigrant was here illegally and was a felon in possession of a handgun, right? That was before he fired the gun, killing an American citizen.

It's a little more serious than an undocumented immigrant making a boo boo that hurt some random white girl.

Don't waste your time. These morons probably think you shouldn't be allowed to fire a stolen gun at a crowded tourist site.

Wow you guys are pathetic.
 

Sounds like something The Economist would say. They too constantly refer to themselves as "classical liberals", which is why they are the media world's biggest champion of open borders. They are owned by the Rothschild family, Jewish libtards pretending to be "classical liberals".

Your referenced Library of Economics and Liberty and parent Liberty Fund describes itself as “founded in 1960 by Pierre F. Goodrich, an Indianapolis lawyer and businessman, to the end that some hopeful contribution may be made to the preservation, restoration, and development of individual liberty....”

No “preservation, restoration, and development of individual liberty” is possible when a repeat offender illegal alien kills you, even if it “wasn't intentional.” Rest in Peace Kate Steinle.

The best you can come up with for a case of “immigrant crime” is...
 

Wow you guys are pathetic. The best you can come up with for a case of “immigrant crime” is a guy who fired a gun where the bullet hit the ground and ricocheted. So it clearly wasn’t intentional.
 

I don't quite get the ricochet defense. I've read U.S. Army manuals that talked about using ricochets off of buildings to hit enemy troops under cover in urban areas.

Lol, that's indeed a classic 'liberal'.

Involuntary manslaughter is not intentional, but still a crime. A driver losing control of a vehicle killing a pedestrian will likely be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. A hunter missing his target and the bullet ricochets, killing likely will be convicted of involuntary manslaughter. How in hell can an illegal alien stealing a firearm and deliberately discharging a firearm in order to shoot a "seal", not be?

Had not heard that one.

Certainly changes the tenor of the story if true.

But wouldn't manslaughter still be the crime even if the hapless fool was shooting off a gun in front of a lot of people?

He admitted he shot the gun libtard. In a crowded place. It doesn't matter idiot if it was an "accident" or not. It being an accident is not an element of the crime (although an awfully weak defence). Shooting a gun off in a crowd that results in a death is criminally negligent. I realize you're a complete fool-but surely gun confiscating libtards should surely grasp this kindergarten grade concept. Now fuck off.

>>Read Bryan Caplan.

OK, now I get it. You've really gone into troll zone. We've had our laughs, now move on.

Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

Read Bryan Caplan.
 

Bam! Case closed.

For extra credit, see if you can get close enough to knock on the door of his bubble.

http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2012/03/my_beautiful_bu.html
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2013/04/make_your_own_b.html

"I'm hardly autarchic." - Bryan Caplan

Argument from authority is not a strong one in these parts. Economists have some blind spots on this topic, one big one of which is the HBD angle.

While it's true that a lot of prosperity in human history has been built on various forms of low-wage labor, these have always taken advantage of disparities--between in and out group, between free and slave. The direction the world is moving in is the elimination of these disparities. In a future theoretical world in which development is more evenly distributed, there won't be any more growth blood to be squeezed out of the disparity stone. That means current growth strategies are unsustainable, and people ought to be figuring out other ways to organize the economy. A utilitarian like Bryan Caplan ought to realize that.

Read this! Read that! You sound like old Tarleton in Shaw’s “Misalliance”.

Japan has a falling population. So, Japan's *per capita* growth rate hasn't been all that different from the US.

A lot of the debt is actually held by the public sector too. Net debt is about 140% of gdp. Again, not hugely different to the US.


And there are advantages to a falling population on a crowded island - their housing costs are declining. Japanese used to live in tiny apartments - that is now changing.

The main point, of course, is that Japan is Japanese and is going to stay that way.

It's a damn nice place. You should visit it. Seeing a high trust, low crime, high average IQ, homogenous society in action is quite a revelation.

How else could a country possibly thrive economically and technologically without boatloads of illiterate third worlders? I mean, how do you think the us put a man on the moon, and won ww 2? Thank goodness we have hondurans and somalis here and who helped us emerge from our caves.

I don't think you read that article, or you simply have poor comprehension skills. Noah Smith is not arguing for increasing unskilled immigration. In fact, he argues for a shift in Japanese immigration toward skilled labor. And anyhow, the article is about the way Japan is dealing with its immigrants, not a call for a massive increase in immigration.

While acknowledging that Japan's economy has problems, these have less to do with its declining population than with the rise of China. Just like in the US and Europe, the decision to increase unskilled immigration is accepting long-term impoverishment for growth gains in the short-term.

"Japan is a dying society. The economy isn’t growing and the national debt is twice GDP."

Ha ha ha, I'm dying myself. Of laughter.

Have you ever looked at a graph of world population over time? You'll notice it goes massively exponential after the agricultural revolution.

Japan has > 100m people on an island. And here you are, caterwauling about a decline in population levels after an exponential runup. I'm pretty sure the Japanese have a FAR better chance of their 'society' surviving, compared to the French or Swedes. There are zero parts of Japan that are off limits to police and firefighters.

I worked as both a dishwasher and prep cook full time while getting my undergrad degree. Sure it didn't pay much, but in a college town not much did. College towns are a great example of huge surplus of low skilled labor keeping wages low.

What about Japan's restaurant scene? No real immigration and high wage economy.

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Shut up nerd

I have to admit that you are probably right about that. The incontrovertible proof is the historical fact that there were no farms, restaurants, or hotels in the United States prior to the 1965 Hart-Cellar act that opened the US to mass third world immigration.

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A few marginal chain burger joints would close and a few less patels would buy beat up old roachy chain motels and they will be bulldozed. But the benefits to society so outweigh that that no one with any sense cares. For every marginal burger joint or motel Americans as taxpayers pay millions in costs and have more and more permanent Democrats thrown into our midst.


Indeed, we should be thinking up ways to make businesses that tend to drive immigration less attractive. Chinese restaurants, for example.

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>>Do any of you nativists really think any Americans would want to work as prep cooks or dishwashers in a kitchen?

I don't mind such work. I've done it before and am doing it now.

As an eminent Frenchman of the Enlightenment might have put it, men will never be free until the last classic liberal is strangled with the entrails of the last migrant.

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Do any of you nativists really think any Americans would want to work as prep cooks or dishwashers in a kitchen?
 

If any of the immigration laws you wanted passed you would put large numbers of hotels and restaurants et al. out of business. The wages they would have to offer would be too high to make a profit.
 

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If any of the immigration laws you wanted passed you would put large numbers of hotels and restaurants et al. out of business.
 

As long as there are enough workers to do the essential stuff like maintain roads, fix drains and repair vehicles (still very much white dominated jobs) it doesn't matter if there is a shortage of non-essential hospitality workers.

One of my younger half-brothers worked as a cook in a diner for years. Another of them worked as an itinerant fruit-picker. An uncle was a roofer. All native-born Americans. All doing jobs that Americans won’t do.

If any of the immigration laws you wanted passed you would put large numbers of hotels and restaurants et al. out of business. The wages they would have to offer would be too high to make a profitt

LoL. Then how does China do it? The only immigration they allow is for things that Chinese cannot do themselves. For example, teaching English.

Things like sweeping floors and cleaning restrooms, and working as a Cook, are done by Chinese themselves.

How about Japan? They manage with native workers.

it's nonsense but it's probably increasing hbd awareness so it's all good

Lame.

As if the points in this video (at least the ones I had the patience to watch) hadn't been answered a hundred times over already.

If you got something, show it. Otherwise, shut up.

Did someone listen to this PC-dogmatic drivel and find themselves scientifically convinced? If so, they have no wisdom about how to interpret statistical data from a scientific perspective. This video gives a dogmatic ideology posing as scientific thinking.