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    One of the most astonishing news stories I have read of late appeared in Business Insider at the beginning of February entitled “ ' The Russians are going to have a cow’: the U.S.’s message to Putin ‘is a really big deal.’” The article described how the Barack Obama Administration has decided to build up...
  • @Kiza
    @Willem Hendrik

    Well, the US military is the most expensive military ever on the planet Earth. This is why the US debt is already somewhere in the Milky Way and beyond, where no man has gone before.

    Humanoids from another galaxy are wondering who is using this expensive contraption and for what? Defense? Of whose interests?

    Replies: @edNels, @Camillus MacGillycuddy

    The most expensive yes, and one of the most corrupt, considering the entire process from policy through procurement to operations. That means any evaluation of it as the “most powerful military in the world”, or history, or some other extravagant claim is delusional. What matters in that regard is how effective it is in a fight against an even roughly serious adversary. Just because it cost the most doesn’t mean it is the best.

    And you only have to ask service people from allied militaries all around the world and you will find a uniformly low opinion of the US military. Firepower is not the same as military prowess and is only useful to a point. Never believe your own BS.

    In fact a good case can be made that the primary purpose of the US military is to siphon wealth from taxpayers to the rich. What a surprise!

  • In 1999, a big hit movie was The Matrix. I went and saw it but I don't recall it making much of an impression on me. At the time, my understanding of the world was pretty conventional. I believed the things I was told -- for example, that a lone nut by the name of...
  • @alexander
    @utu

    Right-O, utu, right-O !

    Replies: @Camillus MacGillycuddy

    So how do you explain people of lower IQ that are also good but not “easily duped and defrauded”? Also people of high IQ and that are good but also not easily duped? Does the word “illogical” mean anything to you?

    Because you seem to be saying that if one is good then one is easily duped. Or are you trying to say that to be “good” one must be able to be easily duped and defrauded?

    For myself I will stick with the particular flavor of idiocy described in the article as a more plausible explanation, as a working hypothesis at least, especially as the ability to be duped seems to persist beyond the presentation of contradictory facts. Or are you saying that highly intelligent people are so good they are immune to reason? In other words, they are so smart, they are dumb! Albeit because of their goodness. But that sounds like . . .

    • Replies: @alexander
    @Camillus MacGillycuddy

    What I am suggesting, Camillus,

    Is that the parameters of own own moral conscience, do restrict our ability to see the deliberate evil behind events, when it strikes, not our intelligence.

    Consider your impression (as I consider mine) when the first airliner exploded into the twin tower on 9-11, could either of us ( or any of us) really imagine ourselves (or anyone)flying that plane, deliberately, into the building ?

    Could we ?

    Is it really a question of how intelligent we are.....that we can't imagine it ?

    Isn't the deliberate, and pre-planned nature of such an event, such as 9-11, what has so shocked us, and in fact, shocked the whole world ?

    We are shocked not because we are smart or stupid, we are shocked because it represents a breach in the fabric of our collective moral conscience.

    Our expectations of basic human decency, which binds us, is what is ruptured....not our(respective) levels of intelligence.

    Who , among us, could imagine such a thing ?

    Which curiously enough, Camillus, as I filter through all the events and narratives provided for us since that time, the one which seems most stubbornly, cloyingly resistant to debunking, no matter how many times, I try, in my mind, to rationally debunk it......

    Is the narrative of the five dancing Israelis.

    Who sets up a camera to record such a horrific and sinister attack.........before the attack has occurred ?

    Who does a dance, a jig of celebration, after the planes have successfully struck their mark ?

    When the entire collective moral conscience of all humanity is beside itself in total shock and disbelief...what does it say about the celebratory nature of these few men, seemingly ecstatic in their recording of this heinous event ?

    What does it say, Camillus ?

    I am all ears ?

    Replies: @anonymous

    , @Santoculto
    @Camillus MacGillycuddy

    We all have strengths and weaknesses, from the macro to the micro-features, for example, mathematics or be conscientious.

    There is a myth that the higher are the scores in IQ, more rational, wiser, more accurate will be the individuals. is a myth because we're all stupid and smart, it depends on the cognitive function, for what, for whom ...

    There is a clear correlation between high IQ and wisdom but this is likely to be unusually non-linear.

    This mythology between linearity between IQ and fundamental-intelligent behavior (long term and holistic) is largely responsible for this blind faith in the cognitive ''elites''.

    It's not, to be, or not to be,

    ''to be smart OR not''

    is, '' we are and we are not, '' it depends on which perspective you're looking.

    ''you're amazing on maths but sucks in realist logics''

    It also depends on the social dynamics in which you are located and how holistically conscious you are about reality.

    Until recently, the opposition was left. They were more aware of the problems of society while nowadays, contextual opposition is right. The ''eternal'' opposition is wise.

    There are minds that are much more prodigious to understand the reality than others, just as there are minds that are best to learn many languages.

  • @Biff
    My LPM came in the 1990's when Noam Chomsky(not shilling for him, please) pointed out a tactic of counting how many times a media story is reprinted, and where it appears in news cast, or in print(front page, buried in the middle, in the back). It basically got me looking, and paying attention.
    A few years later there was the Hainan Island incident.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident

    I counted, and read all U.S. Media reports(on a budding Internet) and I read media reports from other countries, and they were different in one major regard - the submarine. The Chinese submarine in the water below the fighter squadron was, across the board, omitted from all the U.S. Media. Was it by chance, or was it a concerted effort? If the latter then it renders the U.S. Media into the realm of pure propaganda. And if it was a concerted effort, why do it in the first place? Would the presence of that submarine in the story have changed American public opinion of the story? Since then I have ever looked at the media the same way - a few months later I was watching the towers in NY come down. A few short hours after the first plane hit, it was obvious the moment I heard it, that the narrative was written LONG before the incident happened, and it hasn't changed in style, wording, or form since.

    Replies: @Camillus MacGillycuddy

    That is a telling point Biff. I can’t recall seeing it before and I’ve always thought it surprising.

    After 14 years there has been no development in the official narrative. Nothing new has come to light, nothing uncovered by further research or investigation. No amendments or clarifications as would be expected in any complex matter over time.

    That fact alone is stunningly implausible.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
    @Camillus MacGillycuddy


    After 14 years there has been no development in the official narrative. Nothing new has come to light, nothing uncovered by further research or investigation.
     
    Yes, that is actually a very good point. To me, the canonical example would be the JFK hit. The president is shot, they nab this guy Oswald. He was just a lone nut. He did it. No conspiracy of any sort. They know what happened immediately and the official story never changes after that. (The patsy is conveniently dead, killed by a another lone nut who was not part of any conspiracy. If you can believe that!!)

    Same with 9/11. You have huge evidence (that I don't even mention in the essay actually) of foreknowledge. Patterns of options trading in the days ahead of the attacks that indicate some people were trading on foreknowledge. Other people were warned not to visit New York.

    AND the dancing Israelis setting up the camera BEFORE the event. Obviously they have foreknowledge. No investigation of any of these leads.

    So there is a cover story ahead of time and that is the story within a day of the event and basically never changes.

    So, yes, good point. This is a basic element in terms of the pattern recognition I was referring to.

    Replies: @NoseytheDuke

  • @Rurik
    @vinteuil

    from the article:


    Now it does seem that there really are these thug/mercenary/gangster types controlling large parts of Syria and Iraq. It is also possible that they do execute people, maybe even a lot of people.
     
    he's not saying it never happens, just that so many of the videos we see are faked

    so please, give your distraction a rest

    if you think Osama and his henchmen did 911 and you have better proof than Dick Cheney said so, then please edify us. Otherwise you're just looking petty and puerile - at best.

    Replies: @vinteuil, @Camillus MacGillycuddy

    Pointless arguing with a HIQI, I’d say Rurik. You are in a fact-and-logic-free zone.

  • @Wizard of Oz
    @TuneyLoons

    Are you saying that the appearance of aircraft flying into the Twin Towers (and Pentagon presumably) was faked? How do you account for what people in the street saw?

    As to the force required to "break the steel structure" are you just amusing yourself by irritating trolling or do you really not know, as another commenter hss just explained wrt the heat generated by jet fuel, that the explanation you need to counter if you are a truther is that there was enough heat to weaken the steel frame because it lost its rigidity?

    Replies: @Camillus MacGillycuddy

    How on earth do you “know” what “people in the street” saw? You read it in the Commission’s report? Saw it on TV? Ha! There is evidence that very few individuals actually claim to have seen the impacts and try tracking one down now. Ripe for the “planting” of “testimony”.

    The videos can however be studied as evidence.

    You seem to have missed the point of the article you just read. One RRA invalidates the entire RR narrative. And with 911 there are numerous such. Tuneyloons doesn’t “need” to explain anything about “witnesses” when he is discussing the video evidence. You need to show why he has that wrong, if he has. As far as the Pentagon goes, I’d have to say that there is no actual evidence I’ve ever seen that a plane was involved. As for Manhattan the video evidence is hardly better than dubious in terms of the official conspiracy theory.

    You need to put up your own evidence, or at least a claim thereto, rather than reverting to the cheap rhetorical device you have used here in dismissing the comments about studying the videos. You even stooped to an ad hominem fallacy! Did you even read or understand this piece?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    @Camillus MacGillycuddy

    Excuse me not finding time to engage with what seems to me insane rubbish but let me briefly offer the fact that when I was in New York in April 2002 for two weeks for reasons totally unrelated to geo-politics I spoke to at least five sophisticated educated people who had been looking at the Twin Towers when one or both of the aircraft flew into them. I prefer their evidence to that of loony theorizers.

    Replies: @Whoiwasthelasttime, @Jonathan Revusky

  • @Gk0821
    Wow, this essay was awesome and rang true on many levels. I especially appreciated what you termed the LPM, and I can say mine was the Ukraine crisis, and my eyes were opened by a podcaster no less. Ever since I started following politics in my sophomore year in 2011, it was completely obvious that the media was heavily biased in a partisan way, but I took for granted that some of the basic elements on foreign affairs and some issues were generally true. While looking for non-partisan analysis, I started listening to some political podcasts, including and especially Common Sense with Dan Carlin. Although he doesn't completely throw out the traditional narratives, he's generally reliable and is equally dismissive of both parties. So after gaining some trust in him, his analysis of the 2014 coup in Ukraine, and how it was so radically different from the NYT, WSJ mainstream consensus, really opened my eyes to a whole world of alternative media and was definitely my personal LPM moment.

    What's also fascinating is the HIQI phenomenon. I grew up in an NYC suburb with both parents working in Manhattan, and one of my neighbors who also worked there had a "9/11 was an inside job" bumper sticker on his car. Even though he was by far the wealthiest of the already affluent neighborhood, my friends and I, as well as my law school educated, corporate parents all thought he was nuts. They still are all in, and I guess at this point they've decided on the blue pill and that's not going to change, but I'm just shocked at how many people from the presumably high IQ professional class so easily manipulated by the media.

    And the one question I'd ask is how do you think the mainstream media so uniform in its control over narratives. Is it out and out corruption where corporate interests tell basically all the journalists what to write? Or do you think it's more just group-think where maybe there's a little collusion with the government and the NYT and then everyone just follows their lead. Or is it perhaps just that the incentives so strongly punish outside the box ideas they're not even suggested. I guess my point is do you think that most journalists at the Washington Post or NYT for instance, are aware of how they are manipulating the public, or are they themselves being manipulated as well. (I feel like there have to be a few people at the top that are aware, but I'm curious if you think most are just typical HIQI professionals)?

    Replies: @Ursa Major, @Camillus MacGillycuddy

    There is no better analysis of how the mainstream media (dys)functions at the level of social institution than Herman and Chomsky’s “Manufacturing Consent”. It is in fact true that by the standards of the social sciences their “Propaganda Model” is proven beyond any reasonable doubt, certainly far more so than any competing model such as “the free press” or something like that, which are in fact simply asserted, no proof ever being offered. The most obvious untruth they explain is that media companies sell news to readers. Wrong. Generally speaking no media business can survive if the “cover price” was their only revenue. Advertising is what the business is about. They in fact sell not news to audiences but audiences to advertisers. Think about who the advertisers are (Governments, MIC, big pharma, etc) and it explains a lot about what they include and what they exclude. The MSM’s role in social control and mass conditioning is crucial, of course. Historically it has proven impossible to hold a population subservient by force for ever, you can never have enough force to make them do what you want indefinitely. If you can make that population THINK what you want, however . . .

    It really is essential reading for reality/conspiracy theorists as it illuminates the mechanism and some of the proximal motives – wealth, power, control. For more in the way of ultimate causes, that’s a lot harder. Personally, “The Controversy of Zion” (you can torrent a pdf) explained a lot that was previously impenetrable. But ultimately, if you follow the rabbit far enough, one can’t avoid the spiritual aspect of the position we are in. Which ties in quite well with mystical insight from whatever age or culture and quantum insights like Campbell’s “My Big TOE”.