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  • @Thorfinnsson
    @AP



    You hear this from Russian nationalists, who are motivated to lie. Ukrainian is about as distant from Russian as Dutch is from German. Norwegian is closer to Swedish than Ukrainian is to Russian.
     
    It is true that Russian nationalists have a motivation to downgrade the status of Ukrainian, but it is also true that Ukrainian nationalists have an incentive to upgrade the status of Ukrainian.

    Norwegian and Swedish are not very different, though the former is somewhat more similar to Danish (also not that different). A complication compared to the East Slavic case is that meritorious literature exists in all three major Scandinavian languages.

    Dutch is a hideous language. Fortunately the Dutch themselves now speak so many languages that it hardly matters.


    Ukrainian language sounds a lot nicer than does Russian. Smoother, more melodic. It makes for more beautiful folk songs. Russian sounds rougher, harsher and vulgar.
     
    To a non-Slavic speaker, the harshness of Russian can be an asset especially considering the stereotypical national character of Russians. Thus Russian hard rock music for instance often has a kind of violent glamor that is attractive.


    This is just lazy. Diversity and beauty are good things. And necessary. Lack of genetic diversity can lead to extinction of a species, this is probably true of cultures also. If the Germanic peoples had been reduced to only one (say, the Visigoths in 400 AD) would that one had achieved what the others collectively would? It is always good to have a reserve of peoples.
     
    It is often claimed that a major reason that European civilization overtook Chinese is because political disunity within Europe resulted in endemic warfare which drove innovation. This thesis is probably exaggerated, but none the less it reflects positively on the concept you've introduced.

    That said, I would submit that (re)integrating the Ukraine into Russia would in fact increase global diversity. A modest amount of linguistic diversity would be lost in exchange for helping to insure the viability of a geopolitically sovereign space outside of either the Western and Sinic spheres.

    The corollary of this is that while Ukrainian independence increases linguistic diversity, the political outcome is the convergence of Ukraine with Western political and cultural models. And needless to say, contemporary Western culture may prize "diversity" (of the vibrant kind...) but is diametrically opposed to beauty.


    Plus, politically Ukrainian culture clashes with Russian. Russians are politically an Asiatic people. I do not mean this in a pejorative sense, China and Singapore work fine. But Europeans shouldn’t live under a system that is unnatural for them. That is perversity. Only a pervert would want Europeans such as Poles or Ukrainians to live under a Eurasian despot. Ukrainians belong alongside Poles and other Visegrad peoples.
     
    I'm highly skeptical of this claim. Ukraine has almost no history of statehood by which this could be assessed. During the '90s Ukraine and Russia had similar trajectories of state disintegration and oligarch capture, but then followed different trajectories. This might be down to pure luck rather than any essential differences.

    It should also be noted that China and Singapore are far better governed than European states, which have degenerated into almost purely destructive projects. Nearly everything that is nice about Europe is the product of the past. And, to be fair, China and Singapore are also far better governed than the Russian Federation.

    If the Visegrad peoples formed a geopolitically independent project distinct from either the West or Russia, I would be highly inclined to support it. But this is not the case, and I'm pessimistic on the prospects of the so-called "populist" regimes in this region to survive Western pressure and subversion.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @AP

    If the Visegrad peoples formed a geopolitically independent project distinct from either the West or Russia, I would be highly inclined to support it. But this is not the case, and I’m pessimistic on the prospects of the so-called “populist” regimes in this region to survive Western pressure and subversion.

    Just to add a bit to this last point. Visegrad+/”Intermarium” has an Iran sized population, which is in principle sustainable, but is in practice fully enmeshed within the Western noosphere (e.g. no Big Tech ecosystem of their own) and economically dependent on it (those no LGBT zone mayors in Poland reverse their positions rather rapidly whenever the EU threatens their gibs). That is without going into the numerous historical issues between them that puts the stability of the project under question, e.g. Hungary’s relatively uncooperative stance on Russia, understandable in light of Ukraine’s treatment of its Hungarian minority.

    Energy independent, noospherically self-contained, politically unitary 180M Great Russia seems to have better prospects as a sustainable civilizational pole than a hypothetical 90M Intermarium.

    Poland since it identifies with the West is free to try its luck influencing its course, I’m quite skeptical about its chances of success, but still probably more productive that trying to provoke a war that could take all the main European civilizational poles bar Latin America out of the game. Happily the Americans have an actual strategic culture in contrast to histrionic, senile/infantile Europeans and are merely paying lip service to these Polish games.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Just to add a bit to this last point. Visegrad+/”Intermarium” has an Iran sized population, which is in principle sustainable, but is in practice fully enmeshed within the Western noosphere (e.g. no Big Tech ecosystem of their own) and economically dependent on it (those no LGBT zone mayors in Poland reverse their positions rather rapidly whenever the EU threatens their gibs).
     
    Most of the world is economically interdependent. And the West is not monolithically lost. Visegrad/Intermarium can find a partner in Italy, for example when fighting within the West for the West's direction. That's 90 million plus 60 million.

    Poland since it identifies with the West is free to try its luck influencing its course, I’m quite skeptical about its chances of success
     
    Poland alone won't be able to do it. Poland in partnership with 30 million Ukrainians, millions of Balts, Czechs, Slovaks etc. OTOH have a chance. 90-100 million people have much better prospects than only 40.

    Energy independent, noospherically self-contained, politically unitary 180M Great Russia
     
    Russia with Ukraine wouldn't really be 180 million politically unitary but 144 million trying to keep 25-30 million down, incurring casualties while doing so. In 1921 Poles thought they had "won" and increased their state's population by conquering annexing 4.5 million furious Ukrainians. That made their state less strong, not more strong, and those people never became Poles as had been hoped.

    Replies: @216, @Coconuts

    , @Philip Owen
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Add Turkey to the Intermarium.

    , @Eurangutan Anon
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Energy independent, noospherically self-contained, politically unitary 180M Great Russia seems to have better prospects as a sustainable civilizational pole than a hypothetical 90M Intermarium.
     
    It's difficult to see how this war, even if succesful, is going to be a civilizational game changer for Russia. How many Ukrainians are going to be integrated into Russia? Western Ukraine seemed unlikely even before the start of the war. Suppose Russia takes the rest of Ukraine (which seems increasingly dubious, too). Many Ukrainian refugees, among them lots of young women and children, will not be willing to return to a Ukraine controlled by a sanctioned Russia but instead stay in the West.

    That leaves us with what, 25 million gained under optimistic assumptions? To put it into perspective, that's less than a generation of natural population loss at 1.6 fertility in a 145 million country.

    It seems questionable wether the economic benefits (economies of scale) of this rather moderate population increase are worth the economic cost of this war (which could also have some immediate adverse impact on emigration and fertility rates, altough that's not easy to assess at this point).
  • @Thorfinnsson
    @Europe Europa

    Australia might as well be England with a better climate. Depending on how you want to date it Australia wasn't even sovereign until 1986.

    There's a lot more of a distance between America and Great Britain, but if hypothetically the UK had a "based and redpilled" government that was seeking to reassert sovereignty over the USA, the right choice would be to drop the stars and stripes for the union jack. I don't think driving on the wrong side of the road and sipping tea would be the end of the world if it meant a restoration of sanity.

    And of course you didn't bring up New Zealand or Canada, which are much better equivalents to the Ukraine in terms of fakeness.

    The basic problem is that fundamentally the Ukrainians are fighting for the "right" to be objectively wrong. Or more precisely, for the right to join the GAE (Gay American Empire). The only way in which this wouldn't be true is if the Ukrainian hard right has some kind of secret yet credible plan to seize the Ukrainian state after somehow kicking the Russians out.

    Returning to your original point, what exactly makes the Ukraine a nation? To just about everyone outside of Ukraine itself, no one can figure out what distinguishes Ukrainians from Russians. I'm not a Slavic language speaker, but I frequently hear about Ukrainian simply being a dialect of Russian or at least mutually intelligible. It should also be pointed out that English-language transliterations of Ukrainian words consistently look much worse than their Russian equivalents, and this is now ruining maps all over the world. Just from the standpoint of not wanting to ever see the cringe term "Kyiv" again one should avoid supporting the Ukrainians.

    Now, it's true that any LARP sustained long enough eventually becomes real. The Netherlands for instance was once German, and there's even a parallel there with how Dutch consistently looks and sounds worse than German. So an independent Ukraine could, over time, become a real country. But to what end? Do we really need another mediocre Slavic country? It reminds me of Latin America, where you have dozens of barely distinguishable nonentity countries serving no real purpose. The entire region should be consolidated into maybe five states at most. Russia, Poland, and Serbia are the only Slavic states needed by the world.

    The most "natural" way to organize states is around nationality, especially since the rise of mass communication. Where a state departs from this, it should be to realize some kind of interesting, cool, and distinct concept. Switzerland for instance is a confederation made up of pieces of three other nations, but the Swiss have created a highly interesting and distinct polity based on extreme decentralization, direct democracy, neutrality, and universal militia. For Switzerland to disappear would impoverish the world. But what is the objective in Ukraine? It is to become just another gay western democracy.

    AP has the take that Visegrad shows the way. Integrating with the West to enjoy its security guarantees and material benefits, but developing your own civilization instead of destroying it. Press X for doubt. Viktor Orban might go down in the next election, and Polish conservatives appear to be doubling down on all of the dumbest mistakes of American Republicans.

    So at the end of the day the Ukraine is fighting for the right to be objectively wrong, whereas Russia might be fighting to (re)establish a distinct civilizational space.

    Note that none of this indicates that Russia made a wise decision (too soon to say), nor do I wish to denigrate current Ukrainian resistance. Most people do not choose their beliefs anymore than they choose where they were born, and in the event of an invasion the natural response is to fight. Even assuming that some Ukrainians were able to reach correct conclusions about the many reasons why their country should not exist, it would be very personally unwise for them to share these opinions or act on them at this time.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Anatoly Karlin, @Blinky Bill, @Mr. Hack, @Wielgus, @AP, @sb

    • Agree: Thorfinnsson
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Still holding on to most of the country after 30 days of the invasion. Pretty good, I would say, for a "fake and gay" country. Kind of surprised that Thorfinnsson would agree with you though, but he always was mesmerized by the Russian tri-color flag.

    Replies: @Thorfinnsson

  • @Europe Europa
    Russian justification of the invasion seems to amount to "Ukrainians speak Russian, therefore they are Russian".

    What a stupid argument, that's like saying Americans and Australians speak English therefore they're English people, except EVEN MORE stupid as Ukrainians actually do have their own language even though Russian is more common because of being ruled by them for years.

    Replies: @SimplePseudonymicHandle, @Thorfinnsson

    Australia might as well be England with a better climate. Depending on how you want to date it Australia wasn’t even sovereign until 1986.

    There’s a lot more of a distance between America and Great Britain, but if hypothetically the UK had a “based and redpilled” government that was seeking to reassert sovereignty over the USA, the right choice would be to drop the stars and stripes for the union jack. I don’t think driving on the wrong side of the road and sipping tea would be the end of the world if it meant a restoration of sanity.

    And of course you didn’t bring up New Zealand or Canada, which are much better equivalents to the Ukraine in terms of fakeness.

    The basic problem is that fundamentally the Ukrainians are fighting for the “right” to be objectively wrong. Or more precisely, for the right to join the GAE (Gay American Empire). The only way in which this wouldn’t be true is if the Ukrainian hard right has some kind of secret yet credible plan to seize the Ukrainian state after somehow kicking the Russians out.

    Returning to your original point, what exactly makes the Ukraine a nation? To just about everyone outside of Ukraine itself, no one can figure out what distinguishes Ukrainians from Russians. I’m not a Slavic language speaker, but I frequently hear about Ukrainian simply being a dialect of Russian or at least mutually intelligible. It should also be pointed out that English-language transliterations of Ukrainian words consistently look much worse than their Russian equivalents, and this is now ruining maps all over the world. Just from the standpoint of not wanting to ever see the cringe term “Kyiv” again one should avoid supporting the Ukrainians.

    Now, it’s true that any LARP sustained long enough eventually becomes real. The Netherlands for instance was once German, and there’s even a parallel there with how Dutch consistently looks and sounds worse than German. So an independent Ukraine could, over time, become a real country. But to what end? Do we really need another mediocre Slavic country? It reminds me of Latin America, where you have dozens of barely distinguishable nonentity countries serving no real purpose. The entire region should be consolidated into maybe five states at most. Russia, Poland, and Serbia are the only Slavic states needed by the world.

    The most “natural” way to organize states is around nationality, especially since the rise of mass communication. Where a state departs from this, it should be to realize some kind of interesting, cool, and distinct concept. Switzerland for instance is a confederation made up of pieces of three other nations, but the Swiss have created a highly interesting and distinct polity based on extreme decentralization, direct democracy, neutrality, and universal militia. For Switzerland to disappear would impoverish the world. But what is the objective in Ukraine? It is to become just another gay western democracy.

    AP has the take that Visegrad shows the way. Integrating with the West to enjoy its security guarantees and material benefits, but developing your own civilization instead of destroying it. Press X for doubt. Viktor Orban might go down in the next election, and Polish conservatives appear to be doubling down on all of the dumbest mistakes of American Republicans.

    So at the end of the day the Ukraine is fighting for the right to be objectively wrong, whereas Russia might be fighting to (re)establish a distinct civilizational space.

    Note that none of this indicates that Russia made a wise decision (too soon to say), nor do I wish to denigrate current Ukrainian resistance. Most people do not choose their beliefs anymore than they choose where they were born, and in the event of an invasion the natural response is to fight. Even assuming that some Ukrainians were able to reach correct conclusions about the many reasons why their country should not exist, it would be very personally unwise for them to share these opinions or act on them at this time.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Troll: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Thorfinnsson

    You might say all this about Swedes and Danes too, or Scandinavian area in general, which nevertheless fought for centuries exactly for the “right” to be objectively wrong according to such kind of logic ;)

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Thorfinnsson

    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1323209211581550592

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Blinky Bill
    @Thorfinnsson


    Depending on how you want to date it Australia wasn’t even sovereign until 1986.
     

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Crocodile_Dundee_original_Australian_New_Zealand_poster.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Thorfinnsson

    I wont even waste my time, taking apart your Ukrainophobic sentiments here, point by point. I always knew that you were a little bit strange, but now I'm convinced that you're an unabashed idiot too.

    , @Wielgus
    @Thorfinnsson

    A character in a British 1980s comedy once dismissed Australia as "Croydon in the sun". Croydon being a somewhat boring South London suburb.

    , @AP
    @Thorfinnsson


    I’m not a Slavic language speaker, but I frequently hear about Ukrainian simply being a dialect of Russian or at least mutually intelligible.
     
    You hear this from Russian nationalists, who are motivated to lie. Ukrainian is about as distant from Russian as Dutch is from German. Norwegian is closer to Swedish than Ukrainian is to Russian.

    It should also be pointed out that English-language transliterations of Ukrainian words consistently look much worse than their Russian equivalents
     
    Ukrainian language sounds a lot nicer than does Russian. Smoother, more melodic. It makes for more beautiful folk songs. Russian sounds rougher, harsher and vulgar.

    Russia, Poland, and Serbia are the only Slavic states needed by the world.
     
    This is just lazy. Diversity and beauty are good things. And necessary. Lack of genetic diversity can lead to extinction of a species, this is probably true of cultures also. If the Germanic peoples had been reduced to only one (say, the Visigoths in 400 AD) would that one had achieved what the others collectively would? It is always good to have a reserve of peoples.

    Plus, politically Ukrainian culture clashes with Russian. Russians are politically an Asiatic people. I do not mean this in a pejorative sense, China and Singapore work fine. But Europeans shouldn’t live under a system that is unnatural for them. That is perversity. Only a pervert would want Europeans such as Poles or Ukrainians to live under a Eurasian despot. Ukrainians belong alongside Poles and other Visegrad peoples.

    Replies: @iffen, @Thorfinnsson, @Yevardian, @Strasser

    , @sb
    @Thorfinnsson

    I guess your reference to Australia achieving sovereignty in 1986 refers to the Australia Act 1986.
    No constitutional scholar shares you view .
    This Act was about tying up some loose ends re the States -which were creations of the British Imperial Parliament before Australia as a federation existed .Some possible ambiguities were cleared up
    But I acknowledge that this site wouldn't be the same without it's many commentators with their peculiar views on everything

    Replies: @Yevardian

  • @Dmitry
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Xinhua is bland CCP

     

    China is ruled by the CCP. So, only what the CCP thinks, is relevant for international relations.

    I'm sure you can find less bland resources from non-official sources, based on people using VPNs, but the official media for international relations, for the ordinary herd in China, are what I was asking about.

    Russian culture, there is no dislike of African Americans.”
     
    That's just how it is. It's more in the opposite of dislike, African American culture is a fashionable one. It's not the same as saying that African culture is fashionable. Third world culture is not fashionable.

    We're talking about African American, Tupac, Jazz, Will Smith, etc. Not, Africa - Somalia, Senegal, Ethiopia, etc.


    you to translate from Russian when there are perfectly good software available? Show some etiquette
     
    Yes I can paraphrase Russian resources if you asked politely.

    Translation software often reverses the meaning in sentences, so I would avoid it, unless you would just want to understand the general theme or topic.


    , gossip some more about how Karlin is “not white enough”.
     
    I'm sure that there is nothing especially better or worse, to be white, or brown, or yellow, or black.

    I don't dislike that a person is "not white enough". My views are anti-racist. Hopefully nothing is misunderstood. I'm not criticizing Karlin for his ethnicity. I am personally anti-racist and against narrow categorization of people on superficial aspects of their life.

    The funny thing about Karlin's ethnicity/Middle Eastern appearance, is only when he says he is a Russian nationalist, apparently as a Dada performance art. It is the "Black klansman" joke of David Chapelle. The primary focus of Russian nationalists is hatred of people of his racial appearance, with desire to beat them (or even kill them, as seen in many videos of the 2000s, which have traumatized a generation). It's similar to the local version of "white nationalism" movements in the USA, but a lot more violent and quite dispersed over the country for a time.


    Operation Bagration was named after the hero of Battle of Borodino who was a Caucasian.
     
    Yes of course Georgian elite, is contributing many princes and elites in joining to the Russian Empire. Although, there is always tension with the Georgian nobility in the 19th century. In the long term, one of the regions where you can see a car crash of imperialism (and not only of Russian imperialism).

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    The only type of Russian (pseudo-)nationalist who might potentially have an issue with someone being 30% non-Slavic:

    Happily many of these scum are currently being “utilized” in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    That guy looks like he is from one of those inside Russia prisons reality shows.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Perhaps the Nazis that are buzzing around inside of your head Anatoly, are closer to your home than you think?

    https://www.theweek.in/content/dam/week/news/world/images/2022/2/25/hitler_putinf.jpg.transform/schema-16x9/image.jpg

  • I noticed that Anatoly had created a new thread, which is fine, but he also said that he would be trashing all comments providing "Ukrainian disinformation," which concerned me. I also noticed that he'd trashed quite a few comments on his previous thread, even comments that had already gotten replies and generated further debate. That...
  • So how is the China ukrocope going these days?

    Shock and disbelief.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The "West" does seem to think it is dealing with idiots.

  • @songbird
    @German_reader

    Can't say I feel very optimistic about negotiations.

    My impression is that Zelensky is playing for time. He's been encouraged by the arms shipments and thinks that he can get bigger weapons or more support. IMO, he should have tested Putin's willingness to reach a deal, by almost immediately agreeing to his more reasonable demands - Crimea recognition, the two republics being independent, and no NATO.

    But the further Russia makes inroads, the more of their dead that pile up, as well as equipment losses, if they have to street fight in more cities, the less willing Putin will be to make a deal.

    I'm not even sure if the West is willing to pivot from sanctions. Rather than using them as a bargaining chip, I think they might be ideologically committed to them. There's been too much signaling going on. Without the prospect of them being lifted, or without a change in rhetoric, it is hard to see what could motivate Putin to reach a deal.

    I think what may eventually happen is Russia takes Kiev and makes a deal with the locals. Meanwhile, Zelensksy and his group flee (if they have not already) and become a government in exile. It is said that the CIA has been training Ukrainians in insurgency tactics for a number of years now.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin, @LondonBob

    It is rather curious that increasing numbers of commenters, including even Thulean Fraud, are coming around to my assessment, which I consistently made since the very beginning of the conflict, that all negotiations are a charade.

    https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Aakarlin0%20charade&src=typed_query&f=live

    Granted, they will never acknowledge this, but that is fine.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I give Thulean points for having a realistic power view of the situation and never having advocated for a no-fly-zone.

  • @German_reader
    @songbird


    The charity he set up frankly has genocidal goals about the Irish people.
     
    This is one of the reasons why I have mixed feelings about all of this pro-Ukrainian sentiment in the west.
    Not that I think Russia was justified in invading, and obviously the deaths of civilians through shelling of residential areas are appalling. But all this Western propaganda about how liberal democracy is at stake in this conflict is nauseating, because we all know (or should) what is meant by that. It's kind of telling that much of Western commentary is framing Putin as an ethnic nationalist, someone with a völkisch view of the world, to use of the favourite words of German shitlib journos. If Ukraine manages to stave off defeat, it will be framed not as a victory for national self-determination or nationalism, but as a win for globohomo values.
    And then you've got stuff like this (which is what the Ukrainian creep from the Heinrich Böll Stiftung posted):

    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1504425763017310209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3Aakarlin0%7Ctwgr%5EeyJ0ZndfZXhwZXJpbWVudHNfY29va2llX2V4cGlyYXRpb24iOnsiYnVja2V0IjoxMjA5NjAwLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X2hvcml6b25fdHdlZXRfZW1iZWRfOTU1NSI6eyJidWNrZXQiOiJodGUiLCJ2ZXJzaW9uIjpudWxsfSwidGZ3X3NrZWxldG9uX2xvYWRpbmdfMTMzOTgiOnsiYnVja2V0IjoiY3RhIiwidmVyc2lvbiI6bnVsbH0sInRmd19zcGFjZV9jYXJkIjp7ImJ1Y2tldCI6Im9mZiIsInZlcnNpb24iOm51bGx9fQ%3D%3D%7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.unz.com%2Fakarlin%2Fopen-thread-181-russia-ukraine%2F

    Some of its "suggestions" might even be sensible if Russians themselves decided on them, but on the whole it's clearly modeled on what was imposed on Germany. And given Germany's likely future trajectory (or indeed that of all of Western Europe, it's not like the "victors" are off that much better), I can't agree with such sentiments at all.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry, @Coconuts

    I agree with it. A Russia hypothetically defeated by Ukraine will be proven to be a very weak nation, and one that that would not deserve to be long for this world (indeed, the combination of denuclearization and NATO alignment has some chance of realizing the otherwise fantastical neocon scenario of the Chinese taking back Outer Manchuria, which would be perfectly fine by me, because they would likely make better use of those territories and resources while denying them to the Western Supremacy).

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anatoly Karlin


    A Russia hypothetically defeated by Ukraine will be proven to be a very weak nation, and one that that would not deserve to be long for this world
     
    That last part has more than a whiff of Hitler railing against the Germans as a people unworthy of victory (and presumably his genius leadership) as the Soviets closed in on Berlin.
    , @Johann Ricke
    @Anatoly Karlin


    A Russia hypothetically defeated by Ukraine will be proven to be a very weak nation, and one that that would not deserve to be long for this world
     
    That's a head-scratcher. Russia was defeated by Poland and Finland. It happens. Heck, it was defeated by Afghanistan, joining a select group of foreign powers that found this particular wasteland not worth the candle. The idea that Russia doesn't deserve to exist as a nation because it is defeated in battle is mind-boggling. We need Russia to remain a unitary nation, if only to ward off the possibility of China tripling in territorial extent, by acquiring the Russian Far East and the stans. China's gulags for Uighurs are a dry run for what will probably happen when it acquires the Muslim nations on its border.
  • @Yevardian
    Just in. State Duma MP Vitaliy Milonov (representing the 'state Orthodoxy' faction) is apparently now residing in Armenia. It seems emigration has spread from professionals to the smaller members of government (I suppose larger ones can't leave).

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    It seems emigration has spread from professionals to the smaller members of government.

    First search result on Milonov/Armenia: https://govoritmoskva.ru/news/308306/

    «Для меня Армения — это родное место. Я был в Армении не только в какие-то тяжёлые времена для России, в тяжёлые времена для Армении я тоже там бываю, и во время Карабахской войны был. В Армении я чувствую себя абсолютно дома.

    Всё-таки мой прадедушка был судьёй в городе Ереване во время государя императора, мои сёстры там живут и мои друзья-депутаты. У меня даже помощник есть официальный, который сейчас живёт в Ереване и занимается гуманитарными исследованиями. В Армении всё хорошо. И те россияне, которые сейчас прибывают в Армению по различным обстоятельствам, я не говорю сейчас какие, они разные бывают, в их случае я говорю, чтобы наши армянские партнёры помогали этим людям. Чтобы для людей, которые какое-то время хотят побыть в Ереване, были условия нормальные, никто не обманывал, чтобы было комфортно. Я сам уже в России».

    You should probably spend less time parroting whatever’s on his svidomist social media feed, and like Dmitry, focus more on your core competencies, such as projecting your own presumed urges onto your online interlocutors.

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well if that's indeed the case, I'm glad. I heard it from Armenian media first, what can I say. Despite Milonov's extremely 'powerful' views on all sorts of topics, he was one of the only really strong voices for Armenia during the 2nd Artsakh War (and consistently before). Of course, the Duma is largely symbolic, so that's mute, but it was widely appreciated.

    As I think I've made clear several times here, I've considered this invasion a catastrophic blunder and unfolding disaster for all involved, but the collapse of the Russian government, even as it exists now, would lead to an even greater one. Its not as if I'm taking any joy in watching the Russian media show first stirrings of national panic, while people are being killed in Ukraine everyday.

    Ditto Oliver D Smith, I don't envy you being stalked by a such psychos, but play in the dirt, get dirty, I guess.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

  • @Dmitry
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You don't have to try to dig yourself deeper. I'm not saying whether you are lying or making the honest mistake, who cares. Although as general advice, if you more honestly admitted you wrote a mistake, it would give people a better impression.


    made no comment on the likelihood of him winning, but the mere fact that the complaint
     
    He has sent an application to complain to the authorities, that he is being discriminated under Chapter 2 of the constitution, because of use of Oriental and African models in the advertising by the brand Nike. Lawyers say he will 100% not win. While you write that the authorities are the one who is choosing to open the investigation, i.e. that the authorities are complaining, while in reality he is complaining to the authorities. You reversed the story for some reason.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1493177927390871553


    mere fact that the complaint was accepted and the complainant in question was not defenestrated by the media and activists (as would happen in any Western country) is telling alone.
     
    Not really, if you write the forms correctly, they have to accept the application by law. This is your right in the constitution law. It is what taxpayer pays for.

    only people on the planet this will offend are Eurofags and Amerimutts, not any actual humans.
     
    If it was publicized in their country, Chinese and African governments would be sensitive if their nationality was removed from advertising in Russia, as it would be bad public relations. Imagine how they would report this in South Africa, which is one of the more supportive countries for the Russian government.

    These countries' sensitivities, were partly how the Soviet Union was able to build strong relations with the third world countries, in contrast to Western bloc, during the second half of the 20th century. Fruit of this investment in these relations have still continued to some extent today and we saw that with the voting in relation to Ukraine invasion in the UN last month.

    If you would read books or learn about the 20th century history, then your posts could be more interesting than being only clickbait or Dada performance art. I'm not the right person to recommend about history. But there are people here like Yevardian and German Reader who are educated people and could probably give recommendations .

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Indeed, I might conceivably consult you for advice on box unpacking methods, Nike shoe shopping, and stalking the children of famous people on Instagram and Facebook. Your primary and indeed only areas of competency.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well you did reverse the news story, which you must understand how this would create "fake news" impression for your audience. Whether you were lying to create clickbait or just an honest mistake? I think it is obvious it was an unintentional mistake, otherwise you would not post it to me, as you know I would check. I also don't think you are someone who would intentionally lies to make clickbait. I have a more high opinion of you than that. Generally you seem more in the other direction, almost too honest.

    As for giving you advice (not about shoes, which is just people showing off money i.e. monkeys with trinkets), but more important things, of course I would be happy to. However, at moment you seem a little prickly and defensive, so it can wait until you are more calm. Geopolitical events have raised your blood pressure and you have been behaving like the internet version of Renfield in Bram Stoker's "Dracula" when Dracula is approaching London. Probably in a couple of months you will be more calm and hopefully normally again, like "old Karlin" of the past.

  • @HenryBaker
    @iffen

    If Anatolys ramping up of his rhetoric is representative of the Kremlin, at this point, we'll be bathing in nuclear fire in a week.

    Also pretty funny that Anatoly is talking about racial war, Russians being almost genetically indistuingishable from other Europeans. I suppose the 3d world larp is the new way to go- we did push the Russians there again, but it's bizarre that we always end up in this spot.

    Seems safe to say that it's over for this 'community', however. There's no way any sort of cordiality will be re-established here between AK and everyone else (us Westoids). All things must come to pass...

    Replies: @sudden death, @iffen, @Anatoly Karlin, @Pharmakon, @Coconuts

    It’s accurate, at a global level, it is overwhelmingly Whitoids who hate Russia, POCs either support Russia or doesn’t care.

    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Most POC countries seem to be hedging their bets. Japan and South Korea are the same loyal satrapies as the EU countries are. The only true Russia supporter, for now, seems to be China. As far as I can tell. This seems to me to have more to do with revisionism, superpower allegiance, and a shared type of government, than any real racial motive. 'Whitoid' is a misleading world, you should have said 'Westoid', which means USA aligned. If Russia had not been so simply big, if would have been a normal white US satrapy like any other. The third world LARP is simply that.

    By the way, I've heard multiple friends tell me 'what Russia is doing is even worse because they're a civilized European country like us'. Most of my literate friends enjoy Tolstoy and Dostojevski, the latter in particular is seen as one of the greatest authors to have ever existed. If this is somehow a 'race war' (I must assume against Slavs?) then why is the entirety of Europe declaring its willingness to save 'fellow European Ukrainian refugees'?

    However, since Russia and the West seem doomed to be perpetually at odds, the dumb race stuff is dragged in by the hair to give cultural legitimation to what is really more of a geopolitical conflict. The reason Russophobia exists is because the country is big and therefore 'scary'. That's it. As there is only room for one superpower in Eurasia, the US would never countenance Russia being in the same alliance (NATO) as Russia could subvert it from within by working with sympathethic Eastern Euro countries.

    I recently saw one more chart showing that Germans and Russians are (on a global scale) almost genetically identical. You calling us 'whitoids' is simply ridiculous unless you mean a sort of cultural degeneration. Likewise, the adamant nazi claims of Slavs being Untermenschen were pure fantasies as genetic evidence would have proved that they were shooting themselves in the foot. Otherwise it has nothing to do with race; it's all simple revisionism. If you declare a race war, you are, objectively speaking, declaring it against your own race. Good luck with all that.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @sher singh, @Barbarossa

    , @Mikel
    @Anatoly Karlin


    it is overwhelmingly Whitoids who hate Russia, POCs either support Russia or doesn’t care.
     
    That may actually be starting to have an effect in woke circles.

    This morning I was listening to NPR in my car (the only radio station in this area that is likely to talk to me about issues other than sports, religion or scammy retirement plans) and after the daily roundup of Russian atrocities in Ukraine they mentioned South Africa's president's statements about NATO being responsible for this war. They even put a short segment with his voice in English explaining his views. I've listened to NPR for enough time to know that they would have never aired that opinion if it had been expressed by anyone in the West (except maybe to try to expose him as a Putin shill).

    Replies: @S

  • @sudden death
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Shock and disbelief.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Well said. Shock and disbelief indeed. This is a racial holy war against Western Supremacy.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • LOL: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @iffen
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well said. Shock and disbelief indeed. This is a racial holy war against Western Supremacy

    Are you doing hallucinogenics again?

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    , @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinas-ambassador-support-ukraine

    Despite fears that China may help Russia avoid economic sanctions and may even provide military support to Russian President Vladimir Putin's regime, China's ambassador to Ukraine told officials in the western city of Lviv this week that his country will support Ukraine both economically and politically.

    "We will always respect your state, we will develop relations on the basis of equality and mutual benefit. We will respect the path chosen by Ukrainians, because this is the sovereign right of every nation," Fan Xiangong, who relocated with the Chinese embassy from Kyiv to Lviv after Russian forces invaded on Feb. 24, told Lviv officials on Monday, according to the Lviv regional government.

    "In this situation, which you have now, we will act responsibly. We have seen how great the unity of the Ukrainian people is, and that means its strength," Fan added.

    https://theprint.in/world/chinas-foreign-ministry-endorses-envoys-comments-on-ukraine-talks-of-political-settlement/877736/

    China’s foreign ministry endorses envoy’s comments on Ukraine, talks of ‘political settlement’

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    China will be happy to have Russia as its vassal (what choice does Russia have?) so will not needlessly antagonize it, but is keeping its options open regarding Ukraine, now that it is clear that Russia will not defeat Ukraine quickly and potentially may not do so at all.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @sudden death
    @Anatoly Karlin


    99% chance this is just the latest fake and gay Ukrainian psy-op.
     
    LOL

    Asked about Fan’s comments at a news conference Thursday, Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said: “China surely supports these remarks by our ambassador in Ukraine. China supports all efforts that are conducive to easing the situation and for a political settlement.”
     
    https://theprint.in/world/chinas-foreign-ministry-endorses-envoys-comments-on-ukraine-talks-of-political-settlement/877736/
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Hey Mr. Karlin,

    I'm having a hard time trying to understand why the cowardly Russian troops that have invaded Ukraine continually bomb and attack civilian centers?

    Also, why do they so mercilessly bomb and attack cities in Eastern and Southern Ukraine, areas that have historically included more Russians and Russian speaking Ukrainians than other parts of Ukraine?

    If this is the way that they treat people that might actually be open to some of their stupid ideas, no wonder that the whole world thinks that Putin and his followers are a bunch of morons. And you seem to be his main cheerleader?

    https://s.abcnews.com/images/GMA/surrogate-babies-rt-rc-220316_1647440026767_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg

    "Shock and Disgust"

  • @utu
    @Mikel

    Make your appeals and supplications to Putin. He started the war and he can stop it. He is who threatened nuclear strikes. It is Russia which has the doctrine of deescalation of conventional conflict through escalation via nuclear strike. If you are concerned with nuclear weapons and wars write letters to Putin and appeal to his conscience but do not put morals blackmail on people who are right now fighting to defend their country against Putin aggression. The West will not be the first to use the nuclear weapon. It will be Russia. They have said it so. The West eventually will impose the no-fly zone but it will be up to Russia to escalate.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    The West eventually will impose the no-fly zone but it will be up to Russia to escalate.

    Бабахнем.

    Remember what Putin said: We (Russians) will go to Heaven, but you will not even have time to repent.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Meanwhile Pu is mortally afraid even to get a mere coronavirus, so in practice oldie does not believe chanches of himself going there or does not want go at all ;)

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  • @sudden death
    @sudden death

    So after preparatory US-China talks have been completed, Biden-Xi call is announced, Lavrov allegedly in midflight to Beijing abruptly returns to Moscow and Chinese diplomat in Lvov does this:



    China on Thursday has "affirmed" its "friendship" with Ukraine, vowing to never attack, according to Bloomberg:

    Ambassador Fan Xianrong had told Lviv Governor Maksym Kozytskyi during a meeting Monday that China was a “friendly country for the Ukrainian people” and would “never attack Ukraine,” according to a summary posted on the Lviv government’s website. He went on to praise the strength and unity demonstrated by the Ukrainian people, in an apparent reference to their efforts to resist Russia’s ongoing invasion.
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-speak-chinas-xi-friday-ukraine

    Replies: @A123, @Anatoly Karlin, @songbird

    99% chance this is just the latest fake and gay Ukrainian psy-op.

    Americans spent 7 hours trying to browbeat China into stopping its support for Russia the other day, the Chinese sent the burgers packing.

    Literally all the China FUD to date from you and AP has been proven false.

    Glory to Russia! Glory to China!

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Shock and disbelief.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  • @In Lulz We Trust
    @songbird

    I don't think anyone has claimed with certainty they're the same person, rather, Welton does (or did) Emil Kirkegaard's dirty work for him. All of Kirkegaard's enemies ended up being doxed with hit-pieces written about them in 2018-2020 by Welton e.g., Ben Van Der Merwe
    https://www.unz.com/article/ben-van-der-merwe/
    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2019/11/the-many-lies-of-ben-van-der-merwe/

    Welton seems to have stopped writing these hit-pieces around the same time when Kirkegaard was shown to be tens of thousands in legal debt, in contempt of court and being sued by creditors.
    https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2021/08/13/its-evil-dont-touch-it/

    https://oliveratlantishome.files.wordpress.com/2021/12/emil-kirkegaard-costs-certificate.png

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    • Replies: @In Lulz We Trust
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You have a lot of psychological projection issues to say the least...

    Here's you claiming you find 14 year girls "hot" -

    https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Anatoly_Karlin#Sexual_attraction_to_young_teenage_girls
    https://trad-news.blogspot.com/2021/10/14-year-old-girl-respecter-anatoly.html

    Why is it you've spent ~3 years smearing ODS as a pedophile across the internet but can't provide a single shred of evidence, not even a single quote?

    You're also projecting on the incel smear on your blog:

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#.22Pseudo-rape.22_apologism


    Karlin's controversial views on rape are nonsurprisingly shared by incels and his writings are quoted by incel, MRM and manosphere bloggers.[112]

    He has been described as an "original incel theorist".
     

    Your odious posts are literally quoted with approval on incel and manospere blogs.

    Replies: @Official AK biographer, @Asi.

    , @Official AK biographer
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I find it amusing you attack Lord ODS here but are highly influenced by him and have been adopting his views for the past few years-

    1. You criticised veganism/vegetarianism for years but recently have adopted a more sympathetic attitude to plant-based diets and suddenly claim to love Indian cuisine (most Indian recipes are plant-based), this is despite the fact you were claiming in the 2010s you wanted to ban vegetarianism in India and described vegetarianism as a malnourished diet which lowers IQ.
    2. Distancing yourself, at least cosmetically, from the alt-right/WN in response to the RationalWiki page ODS wrote in 2019.
    3. No public usage anymore of racist slurs (the last ones you made such as the n-word were in 2019). This was after ODS quoted them on RW and you came close to an apology on your blog claiming they were too harsh.

    You have a long way to go, but my predictions -

    2025 - Anatoly Karlin will distance himself from HBD crackpottery.

    2030 - Anatoly Karlin's diet will be plant-based and he will be an antinatalist.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  • @In Lulz we Trust
    @In Lulz we Trust

    It's amusing to watch so many of Karlin's regular article commentators turn against him here. People have finally realised he's a mentally unstable political grifter who has no independent thoughts and jumps on any bandwagon or 'movement' - he was a MAGA Trumptard in 2015-2016, then flirted with the alt-right was at its height and was a shill for Richard Spencer and now he's joined the online 'Z' fad (I noticed he changed his name on Twitter to include a 'Z') . In a few years there will be another movement he will join. Watch him ditch the 'Z' Russian ultranationalism like he did MAGA & alt-right.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @songbird

  • @Thulean Friend
    @Dmitry

    A man was complaining to the authorities, that there are too many Oriental and African models used in Nike adverts in Russia. He is claiming the adverts will violate section 1, chapter 2, in the Russian constitution, against discrimination on ” rights of citizens on social, racial, national, linguistic or religious grounds”, as most of the population in Russia are not Oriental or African.

    Karlin has misreported this story, claiming that the authorities themselves are complaining about the use of the Oriental and African models in Nike adverts. When the story is about a man complaining to the authorities, and the article predict he will “100% lose”.

    I’m not sure why Karlin is reversing the story
     

    As GR pointed out, he's basically just a propagandist at this point and he has spent years trying to convince people of "Based Russia". So outright lying/spinning stories to fit the narrative is not something that's beyond Karlin, as your comment demonstrates.

    That's also why I depreciate everything he says about Russia, because he has a proven track record of being willing to bend the truth to push narratives. Or outright deleting comments in the case of UKR/RUS war, as we've seen.

    Personally, I don't find it very worthwhile trying to convince people your country is the most regressive and backwards on the planet, but it's even more hilarious when it's far from true. Your comments over the years have made that abundantly clear, and have indirectly undercut Karlin's narrative. That is likely one of the reasons why he resents you. He doesn't like it when someone factchecks him on his wild tales.

    What's even more hilarious is given his own substantial non-European ancestry, it's not even in his interest to push for a superchud version of Russia. As you've pointed out many times, if a true nationalist takeover really happens then folks like him will be a soft target.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Yevardian, @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin

    Get hit by a bus.

    • Thanks: Yevardian
    • Troll: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @In Lulz we Trust
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Calm down political grifter.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/729094509816991744


    Richard Spencer on the left, accompanied by 3 fellow supporters of white nationalism
     
    https://thetab.com/us/uc-berkeley/2016/05/07/white-supremacists-1133

    Replies: @In Lulz we Trust

  • @Dmitry
    @for-the-record

    Lol I notice that Chinese have a good sense of humor.

    This story in the Moscow news, is that a man has complaining to the authorities, that there are too many Oriental and African models used in Nike adverts in Russia. He is claiming the adverts will violate section 1, chapter 2, in the Russian constitution, against discrimination on " rights of citizens on social, racial, national, linguistic or religious grounds", as most of the population in Russia are not Oriental or African.

    Karlin has misreported this story, claiming that the authorities themselves are complaining about the use of the Oriental and African models in Nike adverts. When the story is about a man complaining to the authorities, and the article predict he will "100% lose".

    I'm not sure why Karlin is reversing the story (it is not like Russia needs some anti-advertising based on fake news), but of course, those are geopolitically exactly the two nationalities that the authorities in Russia, will be careful to not offend sensitivities nowadays - Oriental and African nationalities.

    Geopolitically, for the authorities, Oriental and Africa nationalities, are main nationalities to support or not condemn Russia in the UN for an invasion of Ukraine. It's like an alignment of support, or at least a non-alignment, from the Third World has been one of the more reliable inheritances from Soviet times. (There had been decades of investment, with many African and Asian students educated in universities in the Soviet Union.)

    https://i.imgur.com/XjdAYRP.png

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @Anatoly Karlin

    The article in question is literally titled “Investigative Committee will check Nike due to the lack of white models on the Russian-language website.” https://ruposters.ru/news/14-02-2022/proverit-izza-otsutstviya-belih-modelei

    I made no comment on the likelihood of him winning, but the mere fact that the complaint was accepted and the complainant in question was not defenestrated by the media and activists (as would happen in any Western country) is telling alone.

    … but of course, those are geopolitically exactly the two nationalities that the authorities in Russia, will be careful to not offend sensitivities nowadays – Oriental and African nationalities.

    Literally the only people on the planet this will offend are Eurofags and Amerimutts, not any actual humans. Go watch and review more unboxing videos, they are your appropriate level of discourse.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You don't have to try to dig yourself deeper. I'm not saying whether you are lying or making the honest mistake, who cares. Although as general advice, if you more honestly admitted you wrote a mistake, it would give people a better impression.


    made no comment on the likelihood of him winning, but the mere fact that the complaint
     
    He has sent an application to complain to the authorities, that he is being discriminated under Chapter 2 of the constitution, because of use of Oriental and African models in the advertising by the brand Nike. Lawyers say he will 100% not win. While you write that the authorities are the one who is choosing to open the investigation, i.e. that the authorities are complaining, while in reality he is complaining to the authorities. You reversed the story for some reason.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1493177927390871553


    mere fact that the complaint was accepted and the complainant in question was not defenestrated by the media and activists (as would happen in any Western country) is telling alone.
     
    Not really, if you write the forms correctly, they have to accept the application by law. This is your right in the constitution law. It is what taxpayer pays for.

    only people on the planet this will offend are Eurofags and Amerimutts, not any actual humans.
     
    If it was publicized in their country, Chinese and African governments would be sensitive if their nationality was removed from advertising in Russia, as it would be bad public relations. Imagine how they would report this in South Africa, which is one of the more supportive countries for the Russian government.

    These countries' sensitivities, were partly how the Soviet Union was able to build strong relations with the third world countries, in contrast to Western bloc, during the second half of the 20th century. Fruit of this investment in these relations have still continued to some extent today and we saw that with the voting in relation to Ukraine invasion in the UN last month.

    If you would read books or learn about the 20th century history, then your posts could be more interesting than being only clickbait or Dada performance art. I'm not the right person to recommend about history. But there are people here like Yevardian and German Reader who are educated people and could probably give recommendations .

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  • @Gerard1234
    Master Karlin, I feel willing to go on the rampage here in terms of comments on the Lenin-Stalin-Gerard Butler created fake-state shithole called (for now, with the 70% that remains of it) the "Ukraine". To be able to do this I request all Gerard accounts to be unbanned please.

    Many thanks for your compliance

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    I haven’t had access to the ban list for ages, but I would be open to Ron Unz simply deleting it.

  • @sher singh
    @Dmitry

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/953078784544899092/unknown.png

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Dmitry is long in shock and disbelief, his entire world is crumbling all around him.

    • LOL: sher singh
  • @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    Russia now stands for
     
    It's not "Russia stands for", but what is one of the politically correct narratives allowed by the government. Everything is just "top-down", i.e. from a few people's decisions. This is about pro-government narratives.

    cosmic vision” that is emerging to justify Russian imperialism.
     
    In Soviet times, there was a ideology, for the imperialism (Marxism–Leninism is self-interested trash i.e. ideology, unlike real Marxism which aspired for philosophy), whereas today there is only the dream of Timati opening a Black Star Burger in your home city after shelling has ended.

    But in most of history, there is no need for ideology to justify a conquest. Rather, conquest is a result of violence and you can invent some excuse after, and people can call your excuse ideology, while you are really appropriating the resources and slaves from the conquered land. I'm not even sure the British Empire has much of an ideology during most of its early expansion. Ideology about British imperialism, seems more an aspect of the second half of the 19th century.


    ssian Cosmism
     
    Lol your interest from New age, Madame Blavatsky, etc.

    modern China by reference to it’s traditional
     
    But if the population are excited to have a washing machine, a new car, a refrigerator. This is the historical stage of China. Their population is enjoying rising to the middle income countries, unlike in the 20th century when they experienced poverty and political repressions.

    in China, there is also perhaps some indication their political class can be going in the postsoviet way of attaining and needing to hide larger profits than should be official allowed within the society.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpxx4

    Replies: @sher singh

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @sher singh

    Dmitry is long in shock and disbelief, his entire world is crumbling all around him.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1493177927390871553

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    Since Russia are about to ban VPNs, it seems that the final layer of the Putin Shroud is going into place. Russia will be bleeding out in Ukraine and will not even know about it. Instead, they will be congratulating each other on stopping the ever so definite Ukrainian super nuclear space weapons programme. Meanwhile, their country returns to the 90s, but without the sense of hope or Western support that was very real. Or even the novelty. Just depression, bathtub vodka and empty rhetoric.

    At least until Putin goes.

    This is a very sad day, because, although they are currently murdering Ukrainians and destroying with vicious cruelty holy Kiev, mother city of the Eastern Slavs, the Russians are trying their best to find their place in the world. Tragedy is not that people do evil because they want to, but because they do evil while trying to be their most good selves.

    China, if it goes on for years, will not be a kind master. It never is. Not even to Chinese who do not absolutely conform. This is why, in such large lands, there are now most only Han Chinese. Russians, with their poverty, bungled operations, and white skin, will be at the bottom of the pile. Not even acknowledged, but mostly used as exotic prostitutes in high-end hotels across the Chinese East. For the moment, they'll settle for scamming for what material they can.

    This also means that Anatoly Karlin will no longer be able to comment here, most likely, and that his life with get a lot poorer in other ways. I am sorry for you AK and wish you individually the best. Patriotism is a result of many virtues, but it can also end up a trap, as the government which ends up defining you is corrupted by power and resentment.

    Putin, and therefore, by now, everyone who doesn't resist him, was desperate to save Mother Russia, and to rebuild her strong and eternal, but through that desperation corruption has seeped in, and now everything he does is to destroy it, whether he knows or not. And once done, he will feel little but scorn, contempt and rage that Russia and Russians were too weak for his pride. That other Eastern Slavs were brainwashed. That they all got the misery they deserved.

    In truth, this is when someone's soul meets hell. And when they break through into the infernal realm, they will agree that they too deserve it.

    Having made this clear, I look forward to the day when Russia rejoins Europe and again offers her unique talents and textures to the continent. For just as someone enters hell by their own deep desire to suffer, they exit just as much by their volition.

    Best wishes Anatoly, you're in for a terrible ride. None of it will be good, but let's pray that the Ukrainians can win so that at least it is short.

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin, @Anatoly Karlin

    Since Russia are about to ban VPNs, it seems that the final layer of the Putin Shroud is going into place.

    Still waiting for martial law to be imposed:

    Still waiting for the “Great Kremlin Firewall”:

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I'm glad you enjoyed my scenario in the other comment, but your soace-faring piece was a bit half-hearted. The only thing that looks like it harmonising with India soon is your development level, in the direction of theirs.

    As for this comment of yours, the lack of those two things you identify just means that Putin doesn't have the will to "win."

    This is good, because "winning" would be losing awfully in the long-run, as per the scenario I laid out.

    If this stuff really doesn't happen then I guess we'll get a negotiated solution as soon as Wednesday, because you're not even winning the easy part of the war (the invasion and field battles.) You still have the difficult part to go (conquering cities.) And the impossible part (pacifying Ukraine.) You seem to have no theatre reserve, no other troops to call in and you're attriting fast. You are on multiple axes, stretched thin, and having your supply lines hit. Meanwhile, the population in the few places you have "secured" is already having minor riots against your goons. This bodes very badly for you. Every day you stay there, is a day you're even less welcome.

    Other than an already nascent insurgency, I'd also worry about those vehicles up around Kyiv. It doesn't seem like they are being sustained in the field. You might be facing a mass surrender, which could lead to a withdrawal under fire on other axes and disaster.

    Perhaps you'll advoid this as you seem to have adopted yet another strategy. This is of sitting where you shove reached and blowing up civilians with artillery. The problem with this is that it doesn't gain you anything. It just adds to your blood debt. Yes, it will slow the shockingly fast degradation of your forces, but it isn't risk free and it achieves nothing. It also invites eventual true NATO intervention, and you must now know that the Russian military would be completely helpless in that scenario.

    In other words, the Russian forces have still yet to achieve anything that matters. They have only advanced into positions where they are much more vulnerable, suffered horrendous casualties to their most motivated troops and seen Ukrainian forces surge in manpower, equipment and morale.

    I could not imagine how it could be going worse.

    I still think the negotiated position I outlined at the beginning of the Russian invasion is the best result for everyone, but I less and less see why Ukrainians would agree. Have we seen an organised military that is more committed to its course in decades? I don't think so. They seem extremely willing to fight until they win, and they will eventually win, because they live there and Russians do not. The only question is how much damage is done to Russia, her military, her economy and, most importantly, her society and spirit in the meantime.

    Some US politician or someone said, long before the war, that Russia would get what it wants in Ukraine because it cares so much more about Ukraine than the US did. That sounded very convincing at the time, but the truth is that the people who really care about Ukraine, much, much more than the Russians, are the Ukrainians.

    As soon as that became obvious, Putin should have found a way out. And this is why war has changed. I thought Russia, of all places, had realised this change. Perhaps your government has, but is just panicked in its incompetence?

    Anyway, sorry about the black pill, but it'll be ok. Russia is now the antagonist in the Ukrainian Great Patriotic War, however with certain manouvres it can be Putinists in that role and Russians as having undergone a journey and been redeemed. It is possible.



    How's the invasion truly going? Looks like Ukraine is not even losing territory so much as using a little of their depth for defence, just as they should.

    https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1503401312754577408?t=ec7PtxcS1xUCPrZQ97l-Jw&s=19

    Also, will most Russians abroad now pretend to be Ukrainian? Forever?

    Replies: @sher singh, @Brás Cubas

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    Since Russia are about to ban VPNs, it seems that the final layer of the Putin Shroud is going into place. Russia will be bleeding out in Ukraine and will not even know about it. Instead, they will be congratulating each other on stopping the ever so definite Ukrainian super nuclear space weapons programme. Meanwhile, their country returns to the 90s, but without the sense of hope or Western support that was very real. Or even the novelty. Just depression, bathtub vodka and empty rhetoric.

    At least until Putin goes.

    This is a very sad day, because, although they are currently murdering Ukrainians and destroying with vicious cruelty holy Kiev, mother city of the Eastern Slavs, the Russians are trying their best to find their place in the world. Tragedy is not that people do evil because they want to, but because they do evil while trying to be their most good selves.

    China, if it goes on for years, will not be a kind master. It never is. Not even to Chinese who do not absolutely conform. This is why, in such large lands, there are now most only Han Chinese. Russians, with their poverty, bungled operations, and white skin, will be at the bottom of the pile. Not even acknowledged, but mostly used as exotic prostitutes in high-end hotels across the Chinese East. For the moment, they'll settle for scamming for what material they can.

    This also means that Anatoly Karlin will no longer be able to comment here, most likely, and that his life with get a lot poorer in other ways. I am sorry for you AK and wish you individually the best. Patriotism is a result of many virtues, but it can also end up a trap, as the government which ends up defining you is corrupted by power and resentment.

    Putin, and therefore, by now, everyone who doesn't resist him, was desperate to save Mother Russia, and to rebuild her strong and eternal, but through that desperation corruption has seeped in, and now everything he does is to destroy it, whether he knows or not. And once done, he will feel little but scorn, contempt and rage that Russia and Russians were too weak for his pride. That other Eastern Slavs were brainwashed. That they all got the misery they deserved.

    In truth, this is when someone's soul meets hell. And when they break through into the infernal realm, they will agree that they too deserve it.

    Having made this clear, I look forward to the day when Russia rejoins Europe and again offers her unique talents and textures to the continent. For just as someone enters hell by their own deep desire to suffer, they exit just as much by their volition.

    Best wishes Anatoly, you're in for a terrible ride. None of it will be good, but let's pray that the Ukrainians can win so that at least it is short.

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin, @Anatoly Karlin

    Like it or not, but what is actually going to happen is that Russia is going to return its rightful demesnes and build a great space-faring Empire, in civilizational harmony with India and the Celestial Empire.

    Meanwhile, Western Supremacists will stew in their cesspit of BLM and the 69 genders, papering over their failures with impotent Russophobia and Sinophobia, for at least the rest of this century, a fitting punishment for their innumerable sins.

    • Thanks: Pharmakon
    • LOL: prime noticer
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    a great space-faring Empire
     
    space-faring Empire? Like a space empire with extraterrestrial colonies? I think you have to admit that this part at least comes close to trolling.
    Rest of your prediction may of course contain quite a bit of truth.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    , @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Western Supremacists will stew in their cesspit of BLM and the 69 genders, papering over their failures with impotent Russophobia and Sinophobia, for at least the rest of this century, a fitting punishment for their innumerable sins.
     
    Your obituary is mis-focused.

    SJW, anti-Christian Globalism is indeed doomed. Not-The-President Biden is a closing act on the failure of a racial spoils system.

    Christian Populism will rise from the ruins created by European Davos Elites. A new and better West will be reborn like the phoenix rising from the fire.

    Backing Merkel's attempt to break Christianity with gas via NS2 was a mistake. Russia's 2nd mistake is Sinophilia. Han Chinese outnumber Russians by ~10:1, and there is no chance of converting them to Christianity. Hopefully, Christian Russia will change course in time. As a Christian nation, joining the rightful demesnes of God is the path to salvation.

    PEACE 😇
  • @Twinkie
    @Barbarossa

    I didn't read Anatoly Karlin regularly, but checked in once in a while. I bemoaned his leaving on record, especially coming right after Audacious Epigone shutting down his blog.

    But I am surprised by the change in his online demeanor since he moved on to Substack. My impression was that he had his strong and unusual opinions, but they were often backed by data and evidence, and he usually seemed congenial enough to debate those who differed with him.

    His last several comments on Unz seem extremely ungracious, especially to his previous audience who helped to grow whatever prominence he has now. It smacks of burning bridges with a past employer now that he has a new employer (so to speak), i.e. "All the readers who pay to read me moved with me to Substack, so screw the rest of you on Unz who criticize my writings - you are all just a bunch of Ukrainian Fascist shills!"

    He also seems to have gone "full Putin," writing Baghdad Bob-like propaganda such as attributing Russian failures or difficulties to naivete or "Christ-like" gentleness of the Russian politico-military leaders rather than tactical/operational failures or strategic miscalculations.

    Although I was not sympatico with many of his views, I previously held him in relatively high regard as a truth-seeker, so I am disappointed in his latest online iteration. Nonetheless, I wish him well and hope he comes out well of the end of whatever is going on in Russia today.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Anatoly Karlin

    Please don’t lie. The Discord is free, Substack is not my employer, and my relations with Ron are perfectly fine so far as I’m aware.

    While somewhat appreciated, I have no need for your well-wishes, save them for those who need them.

    As I keep saying, shock and disbelief: https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/367103075

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Please don’t lie. The Discord is free, Substack is not my employer
     
    What exactly about did I lie? I did not mean that Substack was literally your new employer. Rather I wrote of my impression of your recent comments - that, allegorically, it appears now that you have paying customers at Substack (who are presumably more "loyal" to you and more sympathetic to your views), you seem to describe your old audience left at Unz in the most uncharitable and disdainful terms, even though this old audience contributed to the rise in your profile and perhaps even enabled your move to other platforms. After all, even the most vituperative critic of yours on Unz helped you build readership and influence.

    Perhaps I am incorrect in my impression, but it is not a lie. I have no desire to have any kind of silly online feud with you, so kindly direct such accusations elsewhere.


    While somewhat appreciated, I have no need for your well-wishes, save them for those who need them.
     
    My well-wishes were graciously given. Pity it was not graciously accepted.

    As I keep saying, shock and disbelief
     
    No doubt many people, commenters here included, will be dismayed by their desired outcomes not coming to fruition in the future. Only the most arrogant and deluded, however, would exempt themselves from the prospect that such might occur to them too (I am reminded of the Melian Dialogue).

    https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/367103075

     

    I don't know what that is and what it's supposed to prove.
  • @Yevardian
    @sher singh


    Ask on the discord
     
    A haven for unwashed NEETs, teenage gamers, trannies, glowies and schizos. I'll pass.
    With it, feels like Akarlin's return to his ideological roots with the likes of Oliver D Smith, Mark Steyn readers and that 'PUA' women-respecter with a head like Red Dwarf's Kryten.

    https://alchetron.com/cdn/kryten-8f09c27e-cd80-4070-8a5c-9a4cc500bca-resize-750.jpeg

    It is odd though. Karlin abandons his blog, and a short while later, echoes the same uncritical triumphalism he mocked in writers like 'The Saker' for years. I mean a lot of people who wish the best for an independent Russia immediately saw the commencement of this invasion as an unavoidable castastrophe.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Anatoly Karlin, @Lolcow of the day

    My mistake not to have kept you banned after your inexcusable smears about me in relation to a certain film review. Yet another demonstration of how no good deed (forgiveness in this case) ever goes unpunished.

    But also a vindication of my decision to distance myself from this absolute viper’s den.

    • Agree: sher singh
  • @sudden death
    @Gerard1234

    haha, nothing better to see in the morning than neverending lamentations about impeached RF puppet who also happens to be wife beater alcholic, lol

    https://c.tenor.com/AqDQXMOsNd4AAAAd/let-me-taste-your-tears-scott-cartman.gif

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    American prostitute dickhead from Stalingrad ( “Vilnius” is not the name now for that average city. I have renamed it after the man who, generously, gave it to Lithuanian prostitutes)…….. will you answer my point?

    Because your worthless POS country, with the capital city of Stalingrad, staged a false flag that lead to closing of EU flights to Belarus, restrictions on Belavia and other sanctions…….. Lukashenko was motivated to be able to give Russia an extra point of attack through their own border, one which if it didnt exist then Operation Z certainly wouldn’t have happened.

    I realise you have no free media in Lithuania and too many dumb, suicidal and alcoholic imbeciles to question the unexplained actions of Stalingrad ATC, transcripts or ANY interest in what the pilots had to say……. but this is quite an important issue for a population like yours to be willfully retarded on.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    I had assumed 'suddendeath' was American.
    Anyway, ditto Ukraine, but Lithuania has a long history and very distinct identity (with closest existing language to Proto Indo-European in grammar/phonology), after Balts were annexed in the Great Northern War they kept (or rather, their German overlords) far-ranging autonomy and local institutions. Not fair to compare them with something as manufactured as the modern Ukrainian state.


    Lukashenko was motivated to be able to give Russia an extra point of attack through their own border, one which if it didnt exist then Operation Z certainly wouldn’t have happened.
     
    All the same Luka has been very cautious (or rather, Putin has be careful not to embarrass him), although as Dmitri pointed out, the Belarusian army has zero combat experience.

    Unclear his patriot-level, but even “neutral” level is a huge improvement on the deluge of cretinism that anglo/western audiences are being brainwashed with.
     
    Well, he's lived outside of Russia for a very long time, and apparently has absolutely zero desire to return (as you don't either?), for understandable reasons. It's clear enough he was horrified and blindsided by the outbreak of kinetic war, as any sensible person would be, but doesn't care much for the Ukrainian kakistocracy either. I also don't really see any winners in this.

    @Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg


    Here’s something scoffers are trying to sort out: Why did Putin play along with the COVID scam? IF he’s such a rebel and enemy of the WEF total control scheme, why did he never question it until now and only in the context of what really amounts to an intra-Russo-Slavic civil war?
     
    Based retard.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Dmitry, @Yellowface Anon

    , @sudden death
    @Gerard1234

    Looks like you share the same psycho drugs dealer with Karlin now, lol

    Anyways even if living in fantasy land it shows your lowly ungrateful inner nature - instead being respectfuly thankful to us for being the cause to implement oh so succesful impressive victorious superbly planned and executed Operation Z, you're angrily hallucinating instead when seeing this great RF march ;)

    Such lack of joyous enthusiasm at the cusp of crushing victory is very typical to Western recruited double spies so all seeing eyes and hands of RF motherland agencies should very deservedly bring you under trial soon.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  • Like it or not, but shock and disbelief is inevitable.
  • @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Anatoly Karlin


    5,000 deaths or 15,000 deaths or even 100,000 deaths is a modest price to pay for resolving this question sooner rather later.

     

    In August of 1945, after Hiroshima, Soviet entry and Nagasaki, the slogan of the IJA hawks remained:

    The sooner the Americans come the better, one hundred million shattered jewel.

    一億玉砕 Ichi oku gyokusai

     

    Leader of the hawks was Anami Korechika 阿南 惟幾. Until Hirohito intervenes on the part of the Doves. A coup by young hothead Army officers starts, to kill the Doves and kidnap Hirohito.

    Anami stops the coup and ordered young officers to obey the Emperor. He then went home and committed seppuku. Leaving the note--

    一死以て大罪を謝し奉る 神州不滅を確信しつつ

    I—with my death—humbly apologize to the Emperor for the great crime. While convinced that Shinshū* is immortal.
     
    *神州 (c: shénzhōu, j: shinshū) Deital Land is a poetic term used to refer to Japan. It’s borrowed from hanzi and used also to refer to China.

    This is called talking the talk and walking the walk. You are of military age, if you believe in your cause you should enlist and go fight in the front.

    I've respected and supported you before in so far as ideas and blogger. You've gone too far.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    The Russian Army doesn’t need and isn’t accepting new recruits. The special military operation is fought by the 0.2% subset of the Russian population that wants to be there, is paid well above average salaries to be there, and has spent years training for such scenarios. It is the Ukrainians who are fighting like sovoks, press-ganging men off the streets.

    I couldn’t care less for your respect and support, so kindly shove them along with your lectures back where they came from.

  • I noticed that Anatoly had created a new thread, which is fine, but he also said that he would be trashing all comments providing "Ukrainian disinformation," which concerned me. I also noticed that he'd trashed quite a few comments on his previous thread, even comments that had already gotten replies and generated further debate. That...
  • @German_reader
    @iffen


    Now, unless you can come up with some categorical denunciation of nationalism, one that applies to me, you and AK, then your attacks on AK are mere partisanship on your part.
     
    imo a lot of Karlin's recent statements are verging on caricature, like a recycling of the dumbest talking points of early 20th century nationalists. Sure, it's possible Russia will succeed in her current enterprise, maybe everything will work out to Karlin's satisfaction and lead to a glorious rebirth of the Russian empire. But still..."national rejuvenation through war", lol, what could possibly go wrong with such an approach, not like it's ever been tried before. I don't think one has to categorically reject nationalism in its entirety to be irritated by this kind of all-or-nothing risk-taking (and its implication that Russia is worthless if the present war doesn't lead to a glorious future).
    Also comes across as really in poor taste that Karlin writes these things while apparently still living his comfortable bourgeois hipster life (in another thread he just mused how 100 000 deaths in the Ukraine war might not be too high a price, which caused the entirely legitimate question by an East Asian commenter "Why don't you volunteer and go fight yourself?").
    And finally, his writing has also gotten really boring (apart from his grandiose pronouncements, which are oscillating somewhere between creepy and unintentionally hilarious). If you've reached the pedestrian level of "Russia is fighting Nazi terrorists in Ukraine", you're not really saying anything original or worth listening to anymore.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @silviosilver, @iffen

    It’s not a legitimate question, it’s a moronic and bad faith one. About 70% of Russians support the special military operation, but only about 0.2% of them are participating in it. Why don’t you go round asking the other 69.8% the same thing? The 0.2% that are fighting are people who want to be there, who are paid well above average Russian salaries to be there (funded by taxes collected from the 69.8%), and who have specifically trained for years for scenarios like this.

    It’s also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    And we're to believe your fairy tales that the Russians never bombed anything within Donbas?

    , @Philip Owen
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Let me put that right "When the Ukrainians were counter bombarding the occupying mercenaries using civilian shields. A necessary tactic to maintain Russian control of the population."

    , @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    It’s also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.
     
    I'm not a pacifist, but imo this is mostly propaganda. Number of civilian deaths in Donbass has declined strongly in recent years, and even if one thinks Russia needed to act against possible Ukrainian designs for reconquest and incorporate Donbass, the current operation seems over the top. The maximalist aims you're advocating (annexing most of Ukraine) certainly are.

    The 0.2% that are fighting are people who want to be there, who are paid well above average Russian salaries to be there (funded by taxes collected from the 69.8%), and who have specifically trained for years for scenarios like this.
     
    That kind of sentiment is absurdly at odds with the militant stuff you've been posting about how the war will lead to national rejuvenation and joy. If it's such a great enterprise where people can transcend their bugman lives, the number of participants should be maximized.
    , @Jim Christian
    @Anatoly Karlin


    It’s also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.
     
    Hey, Anatoly! Best point on the 'thread', or whatever this thing is now. No one was paying attention the past eight years in the Donbass. Those lives had no value? Indeed, where were the pacifists? There ARE no pacifists. Those are crocodile tears and shills picking at Russia's hide. Since they didn't give voice to the Donbass, I accord them no voice now.

    Lots of new voices around here picking at YOUR hide lately, Anatoly. Consider them fleas. I for one miss your insights and information and photography. Your voice counts especially because you've been over there. Be well, young man.
    , @AKAHorace
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Karlin,

    is this for real ? The timing seems a bit convenient and there is no snow, but perhaps they efficiently remove snow as well as dissidents.


    https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/tddlnc/two_words_moscov_2022/

    , @Philip Owen
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Since doing this Tweet I have found slightly more up to date figures (18 dead in 2021 was 7 months. The final figure was 25).

    https://twitter.com/PCOwen_a/status/1503900958367133697?s=20&t=zhJjDKwwFZ_8tP9by_A3KA

  • Free speech is good and I commend Ron Unz, but on the other hand I also understand Anatoly – it’s really tiresome reading Ukrainians on the internet. Or pro-EU/NATO Nazis – the most pathetic existence I can imagine.

    If they refuse to self-moderate, they should be compelled to curb their retardation via military-technical means.

    The moderation of Ukraine will be completed soon.

    But as unfortunately most of the Ukrainian commenters here post from the US all day instead of doing anything productive, I think surgical nuclear strikes on known locations of Ukrainian posters in the continental United States are in order.

    • Agree: Gerard1234
    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Spisarevski

    Using your own logic, it seems that moderation of various miloseviches was not done thoroughly enough though and NATO moderators were too lenient so far ;)

  • @Philip Owen
    @Coconuts

    Exactly my point. The Orthodoxy is fake. There is no Christian virtue in them.

    Replies: @Spisarevski

    What do you even know about Orthodox Christianity?

    Hint: it’s not about being a gay nigger as you probably imagine.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Thanks: Pharmakon
  • @sudden death
    @A123


    overthrow of Ukraine’s government in 2014 and the installment of its current leader, a former comedic actor named Volodymyr Zelenskyy
     
    Instead of reading and citing such tripe, it would be better just google the year when Zelensky was elected as a president of Ukraine, lol

    The hint - it was not in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 or 2018.

    Replies: @A123, @Gerard1234

    Ukraine does not have actual elections you despicable retard. Didn’t shithole Lithuania have effectively an unconstitutional coup, with the (sane) President replaced by some USAID Nazi excrement?

    Anyway, you do realise, idiot, that Operation Z, as beautiful as it is, would never have happened without Lukashenko’s assistance……and he only allowed assistance via Belarus border, because Belarus flights and airlines were banned by Gayropa a year before.

    Why? Because dying, alcoholic, suicide retard Litva staged a false flag provocation making a flight carrying a Belarus dissident liberast cretin on a plane from Athens to Vilnius, get diverted to land in Minsk where he was immediately arrested.
    Absolutely zero logical explanation for Vilnius ATC actions, transcripts for them or Pilot or ANY statement by the pilot in public after.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Gerard1234

    haha, nothing better to see in the morning than neverending lamentations about impeached RF puppet who also happens to be wife beater alcholic, lol

    https://c.tenor.com/AqDQXMOsNd4AAAAd/let-me-taste-your-tears-scott-cartman.gif

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  • @Ron Unz
    @Thulean Friend


    The space for open discourse is narrowing everywhere, so we must cherish the few places where actual free speech still exists. This is one of them.
     
    Glad to help and also glad that this approach seems satisfactory to almost everyone.

    On a more substantive matter, those who have the time might want to watch an hour-long Glenn Greenwald presentation on America's biowarfare programs and the game-playing denials about those Ukraine biolabs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn_HZ3Ta-5w

    And the short Rumble video interview from last month outlining my analysis that the Covid outbreak was an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran) just broke 100,000 views, far more than I expected given the total recent focus on Russia/Ukraine:

    https://rumble.com/embed/vsi3d0/ .

    Replies: @Yahya, @Gerard1234

    Ron Unz,

    You should be totally ashamed of yourself. Karlin (NYT-listed writer) should not have his methods infringed on like this.

    Ukraine or Ukrainianism is solely a Deathcult. Nothing else .
    By definition there is nothing “pro-ukrainan” to be censored, because “supporting” something by willing it to deathcult itself out of existence, and be “proud” of its history – as a constant, loser deathcult – is oxymoronic. So Karlin is not doing any censorship.

    Ukraine is a fake, failed state created by Lenin and Stalin – its 2 historic “enemies” who they blame for everything

    It has a fake moronic National Orthodox church……..created by Americans and Catholics

    As a retard, it views itself as a “victim” of Russian “imperialism” – an idiotic nonsensical statement because 404 is a gift receiver FROM Russia of about EIGHT different sections of land fron SIX different countries that they did not ask, fight or even lobby for. Its as artificial as a botched Michael Jackson facelift

    Its freakshow “ideology” is taken from the west of the fake country – even though Galicia has absolutely ZERO connection to “Ukrainian” architecture, cuisine, folksongs, dances, clothing, Dnieper, Black sea coast, Zaporozhian Cossacks or anything

    In light of this and much more, plus the idioticly high amount of fakes by ukrops/CIA /MI6 of military “peremoga” these last 2 weeks, and that there is basically no English-language pro-ukraine, or galician-reject blogger on the Internet, exactly because they know they would have to do mass censorship because of the ease it is to disintegrate their BS…….. should give special allowance to (NYT-listed) Karlin.

    • Agree: sher singh, Anatoly Karlin
    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • LOL: Adept
    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @Gerard1234


    Ukraine is a fake, failed state created by Lenin and Stalin – its 2 historic “enemies” who they blame for everything
     
    Algeria is a creation of the French, Indonesia was created by the Dutch. Didn't help us win the war. When Indonesia rose up we called nationalism there fake as countless languages are spoken there and Indonesia had had no national existence before us. Yet the uprising against us was massive and Indonesia still exists.
  • @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    1. I have not seen any transhumanist so whacko they want to dig up human remains and bring dead people back to life. It says something about them that they are even more whacko than the transhumanists.

    2. The cosmist movement was obliterated totally by the commies. Except one guy whose name escapes me. One of the biggest Russian rocket scientists before they got German technology after 1945 began his career as a prominent cosmist. He turned over a new leaf when he got the big job in rockets.

    3. Cosmism is arcane. Think Hegel, Heidegger. If K knows more about it than they had a great name I would be surprised.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @songbird, @Bill, @Philip Owen

    You’re both clueless.

  • @Gerard1234
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ENOUGH.

    This is wartime, this means wartime blogging moderation........ which means there must be a wartime alliance between you, the New York Times - listed writer, Anatoly Karlin..... and myself.

    I have been too busy, or engaged on ru.net to participate on your blog/SM - but very impressed with your Operation Z performance.

    Now, of course you know my opinions and facts about you, but this is all irrelevant now. Think of this as alliance between Putin and Akhmad Kadyrov ( I am designated as Putin in this dynamic)

    I will refer to you as Master from now onwards.

    Alliance?

    # ISTANDWITHTOLYA (New-York/Jew-york Times listed bestselling author)

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Anatoly Karlin

    I accept the olive branch and must acknowledge that I was incorrect to repress you so, despite your penchant for uncouthness, I now see that it was driven by an underlying moral clarity that shines like the Sun at a time now when it matters.

    As regards Yevardian’s suggestion below, I would be honored and privileged to have Gerard take over the running of the Russian Reaction blog if he would be so interested.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Thanks: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    How touching, Karlin passing the baton to his erstwhile protege Geraldina. "Birds of a feather flock together".

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/[email protected]_V1_.jpg

    Geraldina, now not only the intellectual heir of the Karlin legacy, but the spiritual one as well! :-)

    , @Gerard1234
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Master,

    Much appreciated and many, many thanks!

    If Vitaly Milonov is not available, then I would choose Dmitry as a perfect candidate to take over the blog, ahead of myself. Individual comments he makes way down the page here are easily worthy of being a blog post, he's even more mild-mannered and polite on here than I am to all the commentators, more prolific and with good knowledge. Unclear his patriot-level, but even "neutral" level is a huge improvement on the deluge of cretinism that anglo/western audiences are being brainwashed with.

    Thanks for the offer though

    Replies: @sher singh

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Thulean Friend

    Casting snide aspersions on me, not backing up your words when called out on it, then being very surprised about my attitude towards you. Especially considering this was not a new pattern, you having engaged in a very long history of dissimulation and smears directed against me, for which almost anyone else would have long since banned you and your previous alter egos.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    ENOUGH.

    This is wartime, this means wartime blogging moderation…….. which means there must be a wartime alliance between you, the New York Times – listed writer, Anatoly Karlin….. and myself.

    I have been too busy, or engaged on ru.net to participate on your blog/SM – but very impressed with your Operation Z performance.

    Now, of course you know my opinions and facts about you, but this is all irrelevant now. Think of this as alliance between Putin and Akhmad Kadyrov ( I am designated as Putin in this dynamic)

    I will refer to you as Master from now onwards.

    Alliance?

    # ISTANDWITHTOLYA (New-York/Jew-york Times listed bestselling author)

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    Shock and disbelief.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Gerard1234

    I accept the olive branch and must acknowledge that I was incorrect to repress you so, despite your penchant for uncouthness, I now see that it was driven by an underlying moral clarity that shines like the Sun at a time now when it matters.

    As regards Yevardian's suggestion below, I would be honored and privileged to have Gerard take over the running of the Russian Reaction blog if he would be so interested.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

  • Like it or not, but shock and disbelief is inevitable.
  • @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I view it as a heroic
     
    It was not heroic but tragic.

    The powers that had inherited the leadership of the West (America, and its Anglo sidekicks) have been becoming more decadent and weaker. But they are still capable of much destruction when stirred. Russia could have just waited them out. The time for the West to be dominated by the Slavs was coming (and Russia's Eurasian tinge wouldn't have changed that, Spain had been similar with its partial Moorish heritage). It only required patience.

    France was eclipsed by the English and the Germans, after the early 1800s that has-been power had become irrelevant as those two Germanic peoples competed for ownership of the West. The English/Americans won and ruled the world for awhile. But they have become mired in self-hatred, laziness, and self-absorbed obscurantism. The time for Poland, Ukraine, Russia to be the dominant face of the West was coming. Putin fucked it up. You sort out which Slavic group will be in control of the West after the ones whom the Slavs replace have become irrelevant. Now you will just kill a bunch of Slavs in a war that you might not even win, you have alerted the Germanics to the danger and they will crush you because they still can and because you have weakened yourself. Nukes will prevent you for being invaded outright but it looks like the only hope of some semblance of survival will be Chinese vassalage.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Coconuts

    The Germanics no longer have that kind of power, their % of global GDP is too small, and they will not fight an apocalyptic nuclear war over Russia’s claims on its own historical demesne (Zelensky’s rabid psychopathic attempts to provoke WW3 regardless). Basically all non-Whites on this planet support Russia.

    Neither Poland by itself or even some kind of schizo Intermarium (as if those peoples would ever get along organically) does not have the weight to be its own civilizational pole, nor do they have the will to be one, running a little clerical Shire that barks at Russia from under the American nuclear umbrella is the limit of Polish ambitions.

    Russia does (just about) have the demographic, economic, and ideological weight to be its own world-civilization complete with segregated noosphere and space program. In time, many Ukrainians will serve it loyally.

    Does this maek u mad?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    The Germanics no longer have that kind of power, their % of global GDP is too small,
     
    Anglo world + Germany + Scandinavia (the Germanics) have about 40% of the global GDP. China has 17%. Japan has 5%. India and France each have 3%. Italy has 2%. Russia has a little under 2%.

    Neither Poland by itself or even some kind of schizo Intermarium (as if those peoples would ever get along organically) does not have the weight to be its own civilizational pole,
     
    Who knows? They are part of the West but have not succumbed to self-hatred and nihilism. So they will be left after the others fall. And then we can see more, how a Slavic West looks like.

    Russia does (just about) have the demographic, economic, and ideological weight to be its own world-civilization
     
    Russia has not recovered from its 1914 and 1917 self-owns. It has fewer people than Nigeria and Bangladesh. Mexico is catching up. It was much too soon to try to provoke the Germanics now, as it has done. And it not only provoked the dominant powers but did so by murdering other Slavs and trying to take them down too. So in addition to it being stupid, it is disgusting.
  • @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    This is highly unlikely. Is Australia, much more dependent on Chinese trade, at “China’s mercy”?
     
    Australia hasn't been sanctioned by the entire Western world and is far from China.

    However, even on the freak chance you are correct, a Russia that does fit that description will massively augment Chinese power, tipping the scales in its struggle with the US and its colonies for world dominance this century.
     
    I doubt it would tip the scales and produce a Chinese-dominated unipolar world but it would certainly insure China's total independence vis a vis the West and ability to compete as an equal peer globally. And China would make sure that Russia would not spoil this arrangement.

    A world in which Russians are relatively privileged satraps of China (having pledged fealty to it first) is better for Russians than one in which they are at best third-class citizens within the West
     
    Each of these negative possibilities have relative advantages or disadvantages, I suppose it's a matter of taste which one is preferable. Being a part of the West (even as a sort of step-brother) would have provided possibilities because the West, dominated by the tired and defeatist Germanics, has been stumbling.

    which is clearly the fate that Western Supremacists have marked out for the Eastern Slavs.
     
    Or, a Russia and Eastern Europe free of poisonous self-hatred would inherit the role of being the main Western powers, in the same way that the Anglo-Germans took over from declining France and as France had earlier eclipsed the Meds.

    I will always remember Moscow as a gleaming and wonderful city, confident, optimistic, wealthy, European in face and proud of it. There was a future to it, compared to, say, dirty New York.

    But that's gone now. Russia has locked itself into poverty and Chinese dependence. Another self-own, another slamming of the door in its own face, as in 1914 and 1917. I hope that the Chinese yoke will not extend to Ukraine and that this new world will be more like 1450 rather than 1250, though Russia is desperately trying to drag Ukraine down into the abyss it has stumbled into.

    BTW, is it true that several FSB leaders have been arrested? That Putin was misinformed about what was waiting for him in Ukraine? If so, that would confirm that this whole clusterfuck was based on a fundamental error and misunderstanding. Or maybe Putin was reading the wrong person here.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Another self-own, another slamming of the door in its own face, as in 1914 and 1917.

    I view it as a heroic and indeed deeply thymotic roll of the dice to determine whether Russia survives as an autonomous world-civilization pursuing a Cosmic destiny or fades into obscurancy, the twilight phrase of its abortive history.

    5,000 deaths or 15,000 deaths or even 100,000 deaths is a modest price to pay for resolving this question sooner rather later.

    If it loses, and ends up under either the Western Supremacist or the Chinese yoke if it comes to that, is quite irrelevant. The precise fates of losers are irrelevant and uninteresting in principle. For my own part, I will simply transfer over my allegiance to either the Celestial Empire or the dharmic cause, whichever I judge has the higher chance of smashing Western Supremacism, the prime adversary of all humanity.

    That Putin was misinformed about what was waiting for him in Ukraine?

    No idea, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was true. The FSB doesn’t recruit the best people as I have pointed out. Ironically, though, it might be for the best anyway. This heroic leap towards finality, regardless of whether it ends in greatness or ruin, is highly uncharacteristic in light of Putin’s prior record of (excessive) caution.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I view it as a heroic
     
    It was not heroic but tragic.

    The powers that had inherited the leadership of the West (America, and its Anglo sidekicks) have been becoming more decadent and weaker. But they are still capable of much destruction when stirred. Russia could have just waited them out. The time for the West to be dominated by the Slavs was coming (and Russia's Eurasian tinge wouldn't have changed that, Spain had been similar with its partial Moorish heritage). It only required patience.

    France was eclipsed by the English and the Germans, after the early 1800s that has-been power had become irrelevant as those two Germanic peoples competed for ownership of the West. The English/Americans won and ruled the world for awhile. But they have become mired in self-hatred, laziness, and self-absorbed obscurantism. The time for Poland, Ukraine, Russia to be the dominant face of the West was coming. Putin fucked it up. You sort out which Slavic group will be in control of the West after the ones whom the Slavs replace have become irrelevant. Now you will just kill a bunch of Slavs in a war that you might not even win, you have alerted the Germanics to the danger and they will crush you because they still can and because you have weakened yourself. Nukes will prevent you for being invaded outright but it looks like the only hope of some semblance of survival will be Chinese vassalage.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Coconuts

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Anatoly Karlin


    5,000 deaths or 15,000 deaths or even 100,000 deaths is a modest price to pay for resolving this question sooner rather later.

     

    In August of 1945, after Hiroshima, Soviet entry and Nagasaki, the slogan of the IJA hawks remained:

    The sooner the Americans come the better, one hundred million shattered jewel.

    一億玉砕 Ichi oku gyokusai

     

    Leader of the hawks was Anami Korechika 阿南 惟幾. Until Hirohito intervenes on the part of the Doves. A coup by young hothead Army officers starts, to kill the Doves and kidnap Hirohito.

    Anami stops the coup and ordered young officers to obey the Emperor. He then went home and committed seppuku. Leaving the note--

    一死以て大罪を謝し奉る 神州不滅を確信しつつ

    I—with my death—humbly apologize to the Emperor for the great crime. While convinced that Shinshū* is immortal.
     
    *神州 (c: shénzhōu, j: shinshū) Deital Land is a poetic term used to refer to Japan. It’s borrowed from hanzi and used also to refer to China.

    This is called talking the talk and walking the walk. You are of military age, if you believe in your cause you should enlist and go fight in the front.

    I've respected and supported you before in so far as ideas and blogger. You've gone too far.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  • @AP
    @mal


    Russia can turn Kiev into Aleppo, they will just become modern martyrs.
     
    Russia wouldn't nuke Kiev and destroy some of the holiest places in Orthodoxy though. It would unfortunately reduce much of the city to Aleppo though if it could. Could it though? That would result in thousands if not over 10,000 Russian casualties.

    guy acting like a Russian nationalist would not

    Too bad i’m not a Russia “nationalist”. I had my disagreements with Karlin, and I admitted I was wrong. I’m a Russian Cosmist, and I believe that Russian World has the right to exist in the future.
     
    Fortunately Russia is not in the hands of people with a psychopathic, degenerative ideology willing to kill millions but is in the hands of a more garden variety war criminal and old fashioned imperialist.

    The prospects of the Russian World existing as an independent global pole has already declined as Russia has placed itself much more at China's mercy than had been the case earlier. Adding 25 million angry Ukrainians won't make a positive difference but will probably be a hindrance. Ask the Poles how forcing a few million angry Galicians into their country worked out last century. Thanks to Putin's killings, Kievans and Kharkovites now feel towards Russia what Galicians had felt toward Poland. If it weren't utterly tragic due to the death and misery, it would almost be dark comedy - Russia throwing so much of its treasure and so many of its soldiers down the toilet, in a desperate attempt to swallow a poison pill.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    This is highly unlikely. Is Australia, much more dependent on Chinese trade, at “China’s mercy”? Is even North Korea? KJU’s uncle found the answer to that question the hard way.

    Russia is obviously far too big and self-contained to ever become a Chinese dependency.

    However, even on the freak chance you are correct, a Russia that does fit that description will massively augment Chinese power, tipping the scales in its struggle with the US and its colonies for world dominance this century. A world in which Russians are relatively privileged satraps of China (having pledged fealty to it first) is better for Russians than one in which they are at best third-class citizens within the West which is clearly the fate that Western Supremacists have marked out for the Eastern Slavs.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    This is highly unlikely. Is Australia, much more dependent on Chinese trade, at “China’s mercy”?
     
    Australia hasn't been sanctioned by the entire Western world and is far from China.

    However, even on the freak chance you are correct, a Russia that does fit that description will massively augment Chinese power, tipping the scales in its struggle with the US and its colonies for world dominance this century.
     
    I doubt it would tip the scales and produce a Chinese-dominated unipolar world but it would certainly insure China's total independence vis a vis the West and ability to compete as an equal peer globally. And China would make sure that Russia would not spoil this arrangement.

    A world in which Russians are relatively privileged satraps of China (having pledged fealty to it first) is better for Russians than one in which they are at best third-class citizens within the West
     
    Each of these negative possibilities have relative advantages or disadvantages, I suppose it's a matter of taste which one is preferable. Being a part of the West (even as a sort of step-brother) would have provided possibilities because the West, dominated by the tired and defeatist Germanics, has been stumbling.

    which is clearly the fate that Western Supremacists have marked out for the Eastern Slavs.
     
    Or, a Russia and Eastern Europe free of poisonous self-hatred would inherit the role of being the main Western powers, in the same way that the Anglo-Germans took over from declining France and as France had earlier eclipsed the Meds.

    I will always remember Moscow as a gleaming and wonderful city, confident, optimistic, wealthy, European in face and proud of it. There was a future to it, compared to, say, dirty New York.

    But that's gone now. Russia has locked itself into poverty and Chinese dependence. Another self-own, another slamming of the door in its own face, as in 1914 and 1917. I hope that the Chinese yoke will not extend to Ukraine and that this new world will be more like 1450 rather than 1250, though Russia is desperately trying to drag Ukraine down into the abyss it has stumbled into.

    BTW, is it true that several FSB leaders have been arrested? That Putin was misinformed about what was waiting for him in Ukraine? If so, that would confirm that this whole clusterfuck was based on a fundamental error and misunderstanding. Or maybe Putin was reading the wrong person here.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Russia is obviously far too big and self-contained to ever become a Chinese dependency.

    However, even on the freak chance you are correct, a Russia that does fit that description will massively augment Chinese power,
     

    That is the "best case" scenario. There are others.

    The "worst case" scenario is a struggle between Moscow and Beijing to control the duopoly. Both the Kremlin and the CCP have a built in assumption that they will be "The Central Authority".


    tipping the scales in its struggle with the US and its colonies for world dominance this century.
     
    The U.S. does not have colonies. The WEF Elites of Davos inflict their SJW Globalist rule on the U.S.

    The Christian people of Russia and the Christian people of the U.S. are logical allies in the struggle against anti-Christian UN/NWO Authoritarianism.

    PEACE 😇

  • I noticed that Anatoly had created a new thread, which is fine, but he also said that he would be trashing all comments providing "Ukrainian disinformation," which concerned me. I also noticed that he'd trashed quite a few comments on his previous thread, even comments that had already gotten replies and generated further debate. That...
  • @Thulean Friend
    Thanks to Unz for providing this space, as Karlin has becoming increasingly deranged in his censorship and personal attacks. Not to mention his endless "I quit" only to creep back to this blog.

    I am frequently disagreeing with the pro-Ukraine side, I've called Zelensky a NATO puppet and I largely absolve Putin of the responsibility of this crisis. But I would never want to censor people who disagree with me. Unz.com is a free speech oasis and I am more than elated than Ron himself is fighting to keep it that way.

    The space for open discourse is narrowing everywhere, so we must cherish the few places where actual free speech still exists. This is one of them.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Ron Unz, @Jidvei

    Casting snide aspersions on me, not backing up your words when called out on it, then being very surprised about my attitude towards you. Especially considering this was not a new pattern, you having engaged in a very long history of dissimulation and smears directed against me, for which almost anyone else would have long since banned you and your previous alter egos.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ENOUGH.

    This is wartime, this means wartime blogging moderation........ which means there must be a wartime alliance between you, the New York Times - listed writer, Anatoly Karlin..... and myself.

    I have been too busy, or engaged on ru.net to participate on your blog/SM - but very impressed with your Operation Z performance.

    Now, of course you know my opinions and facts about you, but this is all irrelevant now. Think of this as alliance between Putin and Akhmad Kadyrov ( I am designated as Putin in this dynamic)

    I will refer to you as Master from now onwards.

    Alliance?

    # ISTANDWITHTOLYA (New-York/Jew-york Times listed bestselling author)

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Anatoly Karlin

  • I think it would have been more efficient to simply archive the blog and open up a new “Russian Reaction Community” section (perhaps transferring over the last Open Threads since the war began) so long as demand for and interest in it existed, but I am sufficiently satisfied with this compromise.

    On that note, I would also be perfectly fine with being stripped of the ability to make new threads and to no longer have my comments highlighted. Since it’s now a post-AK community blog, indeed one whose commentariat is extremely hostile to its founder (the wages of my past tolerance… no good deed ever goes unpunished), it doesn’t make much sense to continue to privilege me here above any other commenter.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Less than six months ago:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/

    : (

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  • Discussion continues at the next Open Thread. Please note that I am no longer involved in any capacity with this blog, which is henceforth known as the Russian Reaction Community. It will presumably be maintained at The Unz Review for as long as demand for it exists. As I mentioned before, all my "serious" commentary...
  • @AaronB
    Am I crazy, or is Putin's decision to bring in Syrian mercenaries the worst thing he could do from an optics point of view - I mean, it suggests that the Russian army can't get the job done and he has to bring in foreign mercenaries, and not just foreign fighters, but not particularly good ones from a third world country.

    It's embarrassing. Russia is supposed to be this overwhelmingly strong power that has just modernized it's army etc etc. I'm sure the Syrian fighters will get chewed up in Ukraine - but still, it looks so bad for Putin.

    And then the whole let's bring Muslims to kill fellow white Christians - my God, how much worse can it get from an optics point of view.

    Of course, the alt-right won't reconsider their support for Putin and Muslims killing white Christians, but we know by now that the alt-right is just another flavor of post-modern nihilistic decadence, and not in any way pro-West, so that's no surprise.



    It's noteworthy that the foreign fighters Ukraine is getting are not mercenaries but volunteers, and not from a foreign civilizational sphere. But for Russia to need to bring in foreign mercenaries is so cringe - that's not the look you want.

    Anyways, why do the Russians seem to be doing literally everything so terribly from an optics point of view, down to their propoganda - as I said before, showing respect for Ukrainian bravery would actually look so much better than calling it things like "fanatical resistance" that must be punished etc, as Karlin does.

    What all this suggests to me is that something about the "mental space" occupied by Russia's leaders and their supporters is very weird and unique, and involves a kind of blindness that can't see very basic things and is insulated from reality in a weird way.

    I don't think they are being illogical, but obeying a different logic according to a different set of values, where all that matters is power, for instance, and the bad look of needing shoddy, cheap mercenaries to win for you doesn't matter because your success means you're "powerful" or something, etc etc.

    When I stop to think of it, really the whole way Russia and it's supporters talk about this war is deeply weird - Karlins "fanatical resistance". I mean, what? It's a war, of course they'll fight back. This is bad? And the whole manipulation thing, the whole we'll force you to be our brothers thing...

    This language can only occur in a weird post-modern setting like ours, and moreover is the language of psychopathic manipulation that is so characteristic of our times.

    One yearns for a good clean war out in the open, with opponents who respect each other.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Philip Owen

    Of course, the alt-right won’t reconsider their support for Putin and Muslims killing white Christians, but we know by now that the alt-right is just another flavor of post-modern nihilistic decadence, and not in any way pro-West, so that’s no surprise.

    The Nazis support Ukraine.

    There’s Chechen terrorists fighting for Ukraine as well.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Anatoly Karlin

    In just about all relationships I've observed the woman adopts the political views of her man. Not doing so usually means she doesn't really respect him. When Spencer was with a Russian he appeared on RT, repeated Russian government boilerplate, published the most anti-American pro-Russian writers, and censored pro-Ukrainian comments (including those of Greg Johnson) at Alternative Right. Now that he's married (I think) to an American Democrat he's a Biden-supporting, LGBT-friendly, liberal warhawk who calls people traitors for criticising the US. Seems like he's a weak man who never wears the pants in his relationships.

  • Like it or not, but shock and disbelief is inevitable.
  • This is the safe space in unz.com where the “brave” ukro shitheads come to huff large amounts of pixelated copium.

    Hey Mr. Hack, how would you explain what your ukro-ISIL brethren have done to Volnovaha? Why destroy apartment blocks? Why fight from and inside kindergartens and hospitals? Do you not count the Russian speaking Ukranians as one of your own? Answer me, you ukie coward?

    You’re lower than vermin

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Troll: Mr. Hack
  • Shock and disbelief.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Shock and disbelief when Pizza Hut is no longer available in Russia.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNmcxiWXoAs3W6E.jpg

  • @Commentator Mike
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Shock and disbelief.
     
    Putin has approved foreign volunteers to go and fight on the Russian side in Ukraine and tens of thousands of Middle Easterners are getting ready to go to the fronts. Does that qualify?

    Any comments on this new development. Are we going to see all the world's extremists heading to the Ukraine to fight it out over the next ... days, months, years and help keep their numbers down elsewhere?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Well they want to fight, why not let them, they will not be as gentle as Russians (they will likely just shoot civilians throwing Molotov cocktails at their vehicles instead of exercising Christ-like restraint) but that is on the Ukrainians for their irrational fanaticism.

    Certainly all kinds of far more dubious characters are fighting on Ukraine’s side, and for that matter historical personages such as, say, Franco were not above using Moroccans in their conflicts.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Anatoly Karlin

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNEFJhWaAAIjz3O.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNCwBCXacAE8xy9.jpg

  • Shock and disbelief.

    That is again all I have to say today.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Anatoly Karlin

    19.6K Followers

    Do you think the ban hammer will soon fall?

    ASBMilitary was eliminated at 200K Followers.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @sudden death
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Self-awareness and self-criticism are very positive useful traits ;)

    , @Barbarossa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    It is certain that one of the true believer partisan sides is going to be shocked and disbelieving so I guess that your prediction is destined to be 100% accurate.

    Either that, or an ultimately unsatisfying outcome for both sides will be spun as a big win by both sides.

    How's that for hedging my bets?

    I appreciate your resolute certainty, but the only sure bet that I can come to is that all the people who "know" are ultimately posing. They may or may not have an educated reason for their pose, but any vindication or not will probably be a matter of chance or chosen perception. This isn't only directed at you specifically, but at the highly assured people on both sides around here.

    , @Commentator Mike
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Shock and disbelief.
     
    Putin has approved foreign volunteers to go and fight on the Russian side in Ukraine and tens of thousands of Middle Easterners are getting ready to go to the fronts. Does that qualify?

    Any comments on this new development. Are we going to see all the world's extremists heading to the Ukraine to fight it out over the next ... days, months, years and help keep their numbers down elsewhere?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  • Daily reminder: Shock and disbelief is inevitable.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    @Anatoly Karlin

    That's if they ever tell them the truth. Now they've banned Russian media in the West and the information superhighway is jammed with Western propaganda we're entering the Orwellian 1984 situation with regard to what news the public is served. Even if some speck of truth gets through it'll be dismissed as lies and Russian propaganda. And the minute of hate is now all day long, day in day out.

    Replies: @Aedib

  • @AP
    @Twinkie

    Thank you. You are by far the most knowledgeable military expert writing around here (perhaps the only military expert), your comment is much appreciated.


    even if Russia were to win (which is not in any way guaranteed), what will a Russian occupation look like? Israeli military theorist Martin van Creveld once wrote that, in a post-modern world, when the strong fights the weak in a long war, the strong loses. Having failed to topple Ukraine in a lightning attack, Russia will have to use much more destructive means to achieve victory, which will only embitter the population it was supposed to “liberate,” even setting aside the enormous international opprobrium. Although hardly assured one way or another, the prospect of a Russian victory being Pyrrhic and the conquest of Ukraine being a poisoned pill cannot be dismissed easily.
     
    I have one very strongly Russian nationalist family branch in Ukraine (children of an uncle who lived in Russia and returned to Ukraine with a Russian wife). The usual stuff - “Ukrainians and Russians are one people”, staunch members of the Russian Orthodox Church, had opposed Maidan, etc. They are now messaging me about if I’ve heard if America will close the skies so that the murderous Russians will stop killing our people.

    I came across a very true comment - Putin managed to do what Ukrainian nationalists had failed to do in 30 years - convince even Eastern Ukrainians that Bandera was correct about the Russians.

    Replies: @sudden death, @utu, @Anatoly Karlin, @Pharmakon, @Twinkie

    They are not nationalists, they are normies. No matter. Normie opinions are as irrelevant as they are malleable.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Opinions are not so malleable when blood is involved. Putin has managed to even lose eastern Ukrainians to Russia for a generation.

    Replies: @iffen, @Aedib

  • @Mr. Hack

    The weaklings get weeded out by history, while the truly Great Men make their own fortune.
     
    https://youtu.be/RAZXogewXBo

    To be great, one needs to weed out a children's hospital? Real valiant stuff Karlin...hope you derive great satisfaction from your "fortune". :-(

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Hospital that was occupied by Azov for 3 days beforehand, having dispersed the hospital staff and patients.

    So, yet another Banderist gayop.

    https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/366337610

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Yet, more Russian fake news:

    "Russia claims without evidence that the maternity hospital it bombed — which killed a child — was a Ukrainian militia base"

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-says-mariupol-maternity-hospital-militia-base-no-evidence-2022-3

    In any case, at the time of the bombing, were any Azov members inside of the hospital?

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Philip Owen

  • If Putin and his generals were reading these comments he would have won the war within 24 hours of it starting, I am sure.

    So many arm-chair generals so willing to offer advice!

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  • @yakushimaru
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Have you read Sailer's "What Lessons Will Xi Draw From Putin's War"?

    Just curious, given that you seem to have high opinon of him. ;)

    Recently the DrudgeReport headlines also make interesting read. It got me wondering how much I can trust the impression I got there regarding American domestic issues. 😂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    While I do have a high opinion of Sailer, he didn’t know who Soleimani was before his assassination, geopolitics isn’t his forte and his takes on it are highly cartoonish and informed by Twitter journo/OSINT nincompoops.

    The best lesson for China is to strike first and strike hard.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Anatoly Karlin


    The best lesson for China is to strike first and strike hard.
     
    Strike first
    Strike hard
    No mercy
    - Kobra Kai

    Replies: @songbird, @Aedib

    , @Twinkie
    @Anatoly Karlin


    his [Steve Sailer's] takes on it are highly cartoonish
     

    The main lesson China actually learns from Russia/Ukraine is to strike the US military bases at Guam and Japan when invading Taiwan FROM THE OUTSET.
     
    And you think Mr. Sailer's takes are "cartoonish"?

    In what reality do you think China will actually strike "US military bases at Guam and Japan when invading Taiwan"? I can't think of a worse strategy for China, which will, in a stroke, eliminate any anti-war, pro-China business lobby in the U.S., hugely inflame both American and Japanese populations and likely draw all American Pacific allies into a larger regional war against China, even if China were able to occupy Taiwan quickly.

    Do you get your ideas on international conflicts from video games?

    I think this is a deeply wishful, and indeed "cartoonish," thinking on your part as a Russian nationalist.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @yakushimaru
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I don't believe pulling off a Pearl Harbor would be the lesson learned by China.

    Actually, the lesson for China should've been pretty straight forward. It is to make preparations, more preparations. And if it is made to align with general development instead of a bunker attitude, then it should be settled. The other parties can do not much at all.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  • @Aedib
    @Anatoly Karlin

    While you description is mostly true, you should concede that your “Powerful takes" claims were over-optimistic. You predicted the end of the coherent Ukrainian resistance in just 1 week. Also, the Russian side suffered a considerably number of losses, and although the Ukrainians losses are way higher, the end body-count will be quite high. In addition there is a pretty low number of deserters. I don’t buy the inflated propaganda that AP place here but the Ukrainians are still fighting. I must concede that the lost “operational mobility” and are mostly entrenched in cities. Anyway, the mess will last at least two more months. Not a cheap victory (and I’m only referring to the military dimension).

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Pretty minor compared to the world-historical significance of incorporating at least 25M more people into your empire.

    The weaklings get weeded out by history, while the truly Great Men make their own fortune.

    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Your true disappointment may come in the form of Russia leaving Ukraine after some sort of treaty. Be careful that the 'shock and disbelief' you talk of won't be your own! You're very invested in both the annexation, and ultimate Russian victory points of view. I think you're leaving too many uncertainties out of your analysis here- that's probably the nationalism. Your nationalist biases were imo quite clear in your idea that Ukraine (as a 'fake state') would not resist much and roll over quickly, which is more or less the same sentiment as held by colonizing European powers during the decolonization wars.

    However, I will admit that if the Eastern front collapses, it's probably over for the Ukies, at least on the conventional front.

    , @silviosilver
    @Anatoly Karlin


    The weaklings get weeded out by history, while the truly Great Men make their own fortune.
     
    Quite the transformation (into... I know not what).
    , @Aedib
    @Anatoly Karlin

    It would be interesting to read your description of the economic conditions in Russia after that USA launched all its “economic nuclear ICBMs”. They launched their entire arsenal. What is happening and what do you expect to happen?
    I think many readers share my curiosity about this sensitive issue.

    Replies: @AP

  • @silviosilver
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I'm not competent to judge how well or poorly the war is going for either side, but I do find it astonishing how ready some people are to believe their own side's propaganda (this is aimed more at the Uke side). It reminds me of Serbian claims that NATO planes were dropping like flies in 1999 (and all the dopey, desperate Serbs who fell for it) and that goofball Iraqi information minister in 2003. I guess no matter how badly you're losing, there's no upside to admitting the truth so why not lie. (To repeat: not saying this is definitely the case for Ukraine. Maybe they're doing just as well - or even better - than they claim. I'm just wary of believing it.)

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Veteran of the Memic Wars

    I am not a coping liar, unlike some, so I’ll freely admit my early speculations about a very fast victory (predicated on Ukrainians disintegrating under shock and awe) were highly incorrect. In my defense, it was a delusion apparently shared by the Russian General Staff.

    Ironically, I would have been better served by relying on my own CMP (2020): https://www.unz.com/akarlin/cmp-2021/

    Russia/USSR: 32.8
    Ukraine: 4.0

    Still no real chance for Ukraine with ~70% of Russian military power concentrated against it.

    For comparison, in 1991:

    United States: 92.2
    Iraq: 2.1

    So it went much more quickly and more smoothly.

    ***

    Nonetheless, while I might have been temporarily humiliated, it is Russia whose final victory is all but assured.

    • Thanks: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Have you seen Gonzo Lira's report in the Unz newslinks section today? He lives in Khirkov but only has second hand sources as he is Chilean and does not speak or read Russian or Ukrainian.

    1. he says the Russian report that they have document proof Americans were operating biological weapons facilities is solid.
    2. he says the Russian report that they have document proof that major Ukraine army incursion into Donbas was imminent on Feb 22 is solid.
    3. he says the civilian safe passage corridor strategy is something they hashed out in Syria and that the great tactical result is it makes it trivial for uncommitted enemy soldiers to readily desert their post.

    I am on the other side of the planet and I have no idea how authentic these claims are but he is presenting them at some risk to his own safety so I have very small doubt that he believes it.

    , @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin



    I would have been better served by relying on my own CMP (2020): https://www.unz.com/akarlin/cmp-2021/
    -- Russia/USSR: 32.8
    -- Ukraine: 4.0

    For comparison, in 1991:
    -- United States: 92.2
    -- Iraq: 2.1
     

     
    I largely concur.

    Russia can grind out a War Win via their logistics & material advantage over Ukraine. What strategy will Russia use? Especially for dense urban areas, such as Kiev:

    -A- Infantry led approach would incur high casualties.
    -B- Extensive artillery use before the infantry goes in would devastate infrastructure.
    -C- Surround & besiege without entering. This could tie up huge #'s of troops for an extended period of time.

    It would appear that Putin is thinking long term. He wants to Win The Peace. All of the options (A, B, & C) are unappealing choices. The best way forward is:

    -D- Negotiating a deal that ends the offensive.

    Both sides need to pull back from their initial demands. Admittedly, that is an easy phrase for an outsider like myself to write. Much harder for the participants.

    Zelensky's less than friendly words about about NATO (1) is a first step, though a small one, towards the Russian position. Russian needs to make a roughly similar magnitude, symbolic gesture to keep the ball rolling and build up some good will.

    If forced to put numbers on it, I would guess a 50%/50% split on the negotiations working. However, I concede that may be overly optimistic on my part.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-8
    , @Twinkie
    @Anatoly Karlin


    For comparison, in 1991:

    United States: 92.2
    Iraq: 2.1

    So it went much more quickly and more smoothly.
     
    What were the comparative numbers in 2003 (or 2011)?

    And how smoothly do you think OIF went in the end?

    Numbers matter, but there are many intangible elements in war. A lot of banana peels. We Americans learned that the hard way more than once. It appears the Russians need to learn it more than once too.

    Nonetheless, while I might have been temporarily humiliated, it is Russia whose final victory is all but assured.
     
    That sounds more sober than before. Here is a more interesting use of your intellect, instead of bombastic Russian neo-imperialist slogans: what plausible conditions do you think would lead to the "but" outcomes?
  • Prescient. Prophetic.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    @Anatoly Karlin

    A single phrase explains the fanatical 'international support' for the 'sovereignty and territorial integrity' of 'Ukraine', the abject worship of the clown Zelenski by the chorus of clowns of the "UK Parliament'' under the direction of the clown in chief Blojo: ''the most important of groups in Ukraine: the Jews''.

    , @Wielgus
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I thought Dmowski was an asshole (albeit post-1945 Poland is strangely similar to his vision in some respects) but this quote is quite insightful.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  • @Twinkie
    @inertial


    I remember 20 years ago, in the first weeks of the second Gulf War, there was a lot of talk that American offensive had stalled and that America was losing in Iraq.
     
    1. That all ended in tears for us Americans. We did lose in Iraq in the end.

    2. We had a complete and total control of the air and a whole host of advantages that the Russian military does not enjoy currently.

    3. That doesn't mean Russians would not prevail ultimately, but using historical analogies that bear little resemblance to different combatants in very different conditions isn't very fruitful.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP, @Anatoly Karlin, @inertial

    Americans softened up the 85 IQ Iraqi military with no outside support after a month of heavy bombing including civilian infrastructure.

    Russia launched a small number of missile strikes on military objects before going up against a 95 IQ military, and yet that regardless, its rate of advance has been comparable. (In retrospect, there certainly wasn’t near enough shock and awe at the beginning, naive and humane Russians underestimated the degree to which Ukrainians had been brainwashed into their Banderist cult).

    • Replies: @Veteran of the Memic Wars
    @Anatoly Karlin

    "Naive" and "Russians" never really sound good together on the lips, IMO. I think Russia calculated that they were willing to lose more of their own soldiers to minimize the "shock and awe" they have to lay down to pacify Ukraine (thus generating the minimum of hatred necessary among the Ukrainian people). They may have figured that if they give logic, Russian messaging (they may not be winning the internet war, but I think they're probably working the bullhorns and the radios pretty hard at the tactical level), Ukrainian word of mouth time to work, and USkraine brainwashing time to wear off, they'll be doing what they can to minimize lemming-like behavior from the population. That kind of thing tends to slow down an advance (making it, I dunno, almost "police action"-like, eh?).

    But I know a lot less about Russia than you do so...

    , @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Americans softened up the 85 IQ Iraqi military with no outside support after a month of heavy bombing including civilian infrastructure.
     
    It was more like a couple of days of heavy bombing.

    Missile strikes began March 19th. Army rolled in March 22nd.

    My March 27th, the Americans had established control over Nasiriyah (population 500,000 at the time). That's after only 8 days.

    After 13 days, the largest city the Russians control is Kherson (population 300,000).

    American + Brits lost only 200 troops during the entire Iraq invasion.

    Russians already have lost at least 1,000 by Russian estimates (they estimated 500 a few days ago), most likely 2,000 or so.

    naive and humane Russians
     
    So far, according to UN estimates, Russians have killed about 500 Ukrainian civilians yesterday.

    Entire Iraq invasion had 3,200 to 7,000 civilian deaths so Russia is on track to kill as many Ukrainian civilians as the low estimate of Iraqi civilian deaths.

    So Russians are killing about as many civilians in Ukraine as Americans did in Iraq, but are losing an order of magnitude more soldiers while gaining population centers more slowly. And they are managing to do this not on another continent but right next door to their homeland. What a senseless debacle.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Twinkie
    @Anatoly Karlin


    its rate of advance has been comparable
     
    Maybe. But what remained of Iraq's air defense system was eliminated in the first week (not that there was much left after the first Gulf War) and the Iraqi command structure pretty much evaporated overnight (partly because the Iraqis weren't planning to fight conventionally in the second go, having watched our plight in Somalia compared to their own utter destruction in Desert Storm).

    In any case, you know what's not comparable? The respective casualty rates.


    Russians underestimated the degree to which Ukrainians had been brainwashed into their Banderist cult
     
    That sounds suspiciously like a back-handed acknowledgement of the grit and courage of the Ukrainians. Morale seems to matter after all, no? ;)

    naive and humane Russians
     
    Are you selling the rest of us something or are you trying to convince yourself?

    Mr. Karlin, I thought you were an open-eyed, cold-calculating realist. This kind of a sloganeering is more Baghdad Bob than a sober analyst. You disappoint me.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  • It’s all over for the ukrocels.

    While they rhapsodize over maps deluding themselves Russians only control “main roads” and trumpet individual Ukrainian victories (about 75% fake) and alleged Russian atrocities (99% fake and gay… Russia has conducted this war with truly Christ-like humaneness, American military fighting Neo-Nazi terrorists who shelter in kindergartens would have produced 5,000 civilian deaths by now instead of 500), the Donbass punishers are being progressively encircled with Mariupol fully encircled and reduced daily, the logistical hub of Izyum in particular now under Russian control, and the Lugansk forces on the verge of being completely surrounded, the ring of steel around Kiev is tightening with the main road west to Zhitomir cut off as of yesterday latest, meanwhile another armored spearhead races unopposed to encircle Nikolaev. Ukrainian air assets, AA, and armor have been progressively attritioned to very low levels, such that they no longer even bother with ridiculous claims like 30 helicopter kills and the like.

    All of this will become progressively more and more obvious to the deluded and low IQ here over the next ten days. As I keep saying, the greater the delusion, the greater the resulting shock and disbelief once the inevitable comes to fruition.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    This is a good attempt to be positive, but let's be serious: these are Russian tasks in order of difficulty. The further down the list is the harder they will be to achieve. Basically increasing by orders of magnitude.

    1. Achieve air supremacy.

    2. Occupy Mariupol.

    It seems like Russia will get here in a week, though it is hardly guaranteed.

    3. Occupy Kharkiv.

    4. Defeat all Ukrainian forces outside of cities.

    5. Occupy Odesa.

    6. Occupy Kyiv.

    This was supposed to happen in 48 hours. It has no chance of happening any time soon. Can the Russian army be combat effective that long? Probably not.

    7. Occupy Lviv

    How's this going to happen?

    8. Maintain order in Russia, Belarus, Chechnya etc. under crushing economic depression.

    Good luck!

    9. Pacify infinitely supplied Ukrainian insurgencies.

    Literally a 0% chance of this happening.

    Since you're still struggling with "1" and have no plans for anything above "4", I would wish you luck but the endeavour is rotten and Lavrov will be sweating buckets to make something approaching a non-losers' peace tonight.

    Honestly, though, I do prefer your attempts at propaganda to someone like Pepe Escobar's. You seem to be an honest patriot doing your best for a completely insane endeavour. People like Pepe Escobar however are just about the most cringe I can imagine. He doesn't just write geopolitical fan fiction, he writes geo political fan fiction for late middle-aged male incels - the ultimate in cringe demographics.

    And that's before I get to Ron Unz, whose "contribution" to Putin's propoganda was to argue that he really is like Hitler and that's why he is great.

    Anybody who isn't Russian, isn't directly paid money and is still on the Putin train has outed themselves as manipulatable mush-brained morons.

    I respect your efforts as you've been dealt an awful hand, but some of your commenters are among the world's most tragic people. Not because they suffer, but because they're insufferable.

    Anyway, I still think that Russia could play a blinder by somehow joining the EU with Belarus and Ukraine. Don't ask me how they achieve it, but some sort of perfunctory regime change, false hope and change agenda and riding the wave of Western public elief might actually get you somewhere. At that point, the conservative Slavs really would control Europe. From defeat to victory in a few wonder manouervres.

    This is also my favoured option. Probably a fantasy, but a lot more fun than pretending that this war and the sanctions are going as planned.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Philip Owen

    , @silviosilver
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I'm not competent to judge how well or poorly the war is going for either side, but I do find it astonishing how ready some people are to believe their own side's propaganda (this is aimed more at the Uke side). It reminds me of Serbian claims that NATO planes were dropping like flies in 1999 (and all the dopey, desperate Serbs who fell for it) and that goofball Iraqi information minister in 2003. I guess no matter how badly you're losing, there's no upside to admitting the truth so why not lie. (To repeat: not saying this is definitely the case for Ukraine. Maybe they're doing just as well - or even better - than they claim. I'm just wary of believing it.)

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Veteran of the Memic Wars

    , @Aedib
    @Anatoly Karlin

    While you description is mostly true, you should concede that your “Powerful takes" claims were over-optimistic. You predicted the end of the coherent Ukrainian resistance in just 1 week. Also, the Russian side suffered a considerably number of losses, and although the Ukrainians losses are way higher, the end body-count will be quite high. In addition there is a pretty low number of deserters. I don’t buy the inflated propaganda that AP place here but the Ukrainians are still fighting. I must concede that the lost “operational mobility” and are mostly entrenched in cities. Anyway, the mess will last at least two more months. Not a cheap victory (and I’m only referring to the military dimension).

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @yakushimaru
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Have you read Sailer's "What Lessons Will Xi Draw From Putin's War"?

    Just curious, given that you seem to have high opinon of him. ;)

    Recently the DrudgeReport headlines also make interesting read. It got me wondering how much I can trust the impression I got there regarding American domestic issues. 😂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  • The last Open Thread is getting very sluggish, so here's another one. Again, please use the MORE Tag to hide all but your first Tweet and otherwise keep the thread load manageable as long as possible. --- Ron Unz
  • Daily reminder: Shock and disbelief is inevitable.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Your childlike responses are meant to impress whom? Even Michael Averko offers more nourishment for the intellect to consume than you. I thought that you've already made your swan song departure from here several times already? Maybe if you ask real nicely, Ron Unz will put you back on his payroll? I'd hate to have to stand in the long unemployment line in Moscow today, which I hear is growing exponentially.

    , @Bomb Moscow
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Lol. It's hilarious how people Google your name.

    https://twitter.com/InvestigadoraP/status/1501423482407727105

    , @Mikel
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Any estimate of when we will be consumed by shock and disbelief? Weeks, months, years?

    I'm asking because I'd actually like this war to end as fast as possible, whatever the outcome, but, having trusted your predictions at the beginning, I see them coming apart with no end in sight.

  • Daily reminder: Shock and disbelief.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Anatoly Karlin

    https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1501304203725217792?s=20&t=KGnJ15FRc1xc2PrYUJWJpQ

  • @Barbarossa
    @Russian Antifa

    Powerful Take...
    All these unknown commenters trash talking Karlin are actually AK as he trolls his despised vestigial commentariat by pretending to troll himself.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Too bad. I figured it was a low chance of accuracy but I liked the way my theory sounded.

    Oliver D. Smith seems like a very special character. If you are finding yourself shadowed on the internet and trolled by such a lowlife, you have my sincerest condolences.

  • @Yevardian
    So, is anyone more connected with Russian popular culture (Our unboxing video afficionado?) than I going to comment on this new 'Z' cult that started 'spontaneously' appearing everywhere in the past few days? Naturally, Karlin adopted it immediately.
    I really don't like where this is going, you have Russia that seems to be actually sliding towards some sort of fascism versus the Americans, with all their hubris and LGBTXQKPOP insanity, again, I see no winners.
    After decades of stagnation, this is looking to become the conflict that Chinese historians will look back as ending ~500 years of European (in the broad sense) hegemony once and for all.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin, @Blinky Bill

    Good, death to all Wh*toids.

  • @Triteleia Laxa
    Looks like Putin is desperate for a way out. Russia will immediately stop their aggression if Ukraine:

    1. Recognises Crimea as Russia.

    2. Allows independence for the twin republics.

    3. Ukraine agrees not to join any blocs.

    I said that he should have offered this before the invasion, and wrote here that he should have offered it 48 hours in, but Putin the Bungler has only just gotten round to reality, but quite possibly too late. Why would the Ukrainians cede sovereignty now, when they know they can win?

    And please no Russian trolls pipe up to say that they should do so to save lives, as if the the threat of suffering casualties should make all proud people immediately surrender to imperial aggression.

    Anyway, I think that Ukraine should agree, but they should get in return:

    1. A written security guarantee that no Russian forces will enter Ukraine again.

    2. That the definition of a "bloc" does not include the EU.

    3. That the twin Republics gain independence on their pre-Russian aggression borders.

    Obviously an apology and compensation should also be sought.

    Or Ukraine could just keep Russia involved in an unwinnable war, where the Russian regime loses credibility by the day and the Russian military moves in the direction of zero combat effectiveness just as fast?

    After all, the Ukrainian military is much stronger now than when the war began, while the Russian military is much weaker and there is zero chance of Russia conducting a successful occupation of Ukraine.

    Anatoly, thoughts?

    Not that I know why I ask. Anything but "Putin is a glorious warlord who is winning this not a war" might well get you arrested.

    Famous Russian leaders:

    Peter the Great
    Catherine the Great
    Putin the Bungler

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Mikhail, @Boethiuss, @iffen

    Shock and disbelief.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Anatoly Karlin

    https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1500839485642194944?s=20&t=vl0-aRKeGnfRGKOKGMHtbw

  • Looks like Putin is desperate for a way out. Russia will immediately stop their aggression if Ukraine:

    1. Recognises Crimea as Russia.

    2. Allows independence for the twin republics.

    3. Ukraine agrees not to join any blocs.

    I said that he should have offered this before the invasion, and wrote here that he should have offered it 48 hours in, but Putin the Bungler has only just gotten round to reality, but quite possibly too late. Why would the Ukrainians cede sovereignty now, when they know they can win?

    And please no Russian trolls pipe up to say that they should do so to save lives, as if the the threat of suffering casualties should make all proud people immediately surrender to imperial aggression.

    Anyway, I think that Ukraine should agree, but they should get in return:

    1. A written security guarantee that no Russian forces will enter Ukraine again.

    2. That the definition of a “bloc” does not include the EU.

    3. That the twin Republics gain independence on their pre-Russian aggression borders.

    Obviously an apology and compensation should also be sought.

    Or Ukraine could just keep Russia involved in an unwinnable war, where the Russian regime loses credibility by the day and the Russian military moves in the direction of zero combat effectiveness just as fast?

    After all, the Ukrainian military is much stronger now than when the war began, while the Russian military is much weaker and there is zero chance of Russia conducting a successful occupation of Ukraine.

    Anatoly, thoughts?

    Not that I know why I ask. Anything but “Putin is a glorious warlord who is winning this not a war” might well get you arrested.

    Famous Russian leaders:

    Peter the Great
    Catherine the Great
    Putin the Bungler

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Shock and disbelief.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    , @Mikhail
    @Triteleia Laxa

    For the record a peace proposal along that line was made earlier at this thread by yours truly as well as beforehand elsewhere.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-178-russia-ukraine/#comment-5214656


    Over the past 24 hours, what I proposed relative to this US political establishment handshakeworthy Putin/Russia bashing prose that will get you on CNN, PBS and NPR:

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/03/03/how-to-get-to-a-place-of-peace-for-ukraine/

    – Ukraine formally becomes neutral, with a limited military capability and gets back all of Donbass as a loose affiliate, while recognizing Crimea as a part of Russia. Along with the rest of the former Ukrainian SSR (minus Crimea, which has seen vast improvement since reunifying with Russia), Donbass is given an economic sweetener to go along with this arrangement.

    – Quite possibly, a similar scenario can be reached with Georgia. Given an economic sweetener, Abkhazia and South Ossetia become very loosely affiliated with an economically sweetened Georgia, in exchange for a neutral Georgia.

    – Georgia and Ukraine can join the EU, while being barred NATO membership, in accordance with international agreements, noting that the expansion of one military alliance shouldn’t sacrifice the security of another country.

    – In turn, the hypocritically warped sanctions against Russia (influenced by Western governments) end (including the blatantly bigoted ones in sports and culture), preferably with cooler Western establishment heads acknowledging the arrogantly, ignorant, hypocritical and in some instances bigoted stances taken against Russia/Russians.

    If implemented, this plan serves to improve the global economy.

    Along the way, Russia improves at Western English language PR and media. Moscow can start by reviewing some of the people they’ve utilized from the West (Liz Wahl, et al) over others (ahem). Making the same mistakes are counterproductive.

    Agree or disagree with Putin’s call, he gave seven years to see the Minsk Protocol implemented. Nothing! His call for a new security arrangement dissed since 2007.
     
    , @Boethiuss
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Looks like Putin is desperate for a way out. Russia will immediately stop their aggression if Ukraine:.....
     
    I'd be inclined to support something like this, my guess is the United States would as well. The problem is that it really doesn't solve Russia's biggest problem, which is the sanctions, and the underlying reality behind them, which is that Russia has lost 10 (20, 50?) years worth of economic grown and standard of living improvements in just a week or so.

    Some of the sanctions against Russia could be withdrawn, maybe, but a lot of them won't be. Specifically, a lot of the really nasty sanctions against Russia aren't state sanctions at all anyway. Eg, Rolls Royce says they won't repair or sell spare parts for their aircraft engines. Whoops, there goes half of Russia's commercial airplanes our of service. Mastercard won't process payments for merchants in Russia. There goes Russia's tourism industry. Etc etc.

    It's a delicate thing to talk about regime change in Russia because potentially, at least, it's a very inflammatory subject. But I think we will be talking about it soon enough because I don't think Russia will be anything other than a pariah state while Putin is still in charge. I don't know if Putin has figured this out or not, or even if he cares, but at least for me, I don't see any way for Putin to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

    Replies: @sudden death, @utu

    , @iffen
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Do you also write A123?

  • @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin

    2022 looks to be another Russian self-own, like 1914 or 1917. Many Russians were optimistic at the beginning of those disastrous misadventures, also. You have a lot of company.

    Only question is how bad it will be. Sad.


    The consolation is that on the truly freak chance that Russia loses to a fake and gay country, it will prove itself to be an even faker and gayer country, and will deserve everything it gets from a vengeful and embittered West.
     
    If Russia wins it will be the same result, except the number of people living in misery will be greater by 25-30 million and Russians will be even poorer still due to having to maintain an occupation force and having to massively rebuild under conditions of heavy sanctions.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    By misery you presumably mean joy, vigor, and national rejuvenation. The past weeklist has seen most of Russian nationalists’ remaining goals accomplished turbo.

    Russia is not in the same weight class as Iran, let alone North Korea, so the effects of Western sanctions (and they are Western; not just China, but BRICS, couldn’t care less) will be much more limited. Furthermore, Russia has plenty of leverage of its own, natural gas to Germany has been cut off today, fertilizer exports have been drastically cut (Russia and Ukraine account for 1/3 of the world’s wheat exports), etc. The world economy crashing with no survivors will mitigate any public discontent with Putin over the Russian economy’s own short-term collapse.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin


    fertilizer exports have been drastically cut (Russia and Ukraine account for 1/3 of the world’s wheat exports), etc.
     
    There are three types of countries:

    -1- Food & Energy independent
    -2- Independent for only one of the two
    -3- Dependant on both food & energy imports

    You are correct that Russia is in Category 1. The U.S. is also Category 1, very long on food calories, and can easily turn up the knobs on hydrocarbon production once Not-The-President Biden departs.

    Much of Europe is Category 2. The French have insisted on the expensive Common Agricultural Policy [CAP] production level for foodstuffs. That subsidy is now a huge win. However, Europe could be short on energy until other gas transport lines are finished, most notably EastMed.

    The Category 3 country that immediately springs to mind is China. It imports both hydrocarbons and food calories. Short-term Ukraine is going to lose one or more planting seasons due to the fighting. While I am generally cynical about Elite CCP arrogance, apparently XI sees the problem coming. While he is not enthusiastic about sanctions, he is staying in the global agricultural and banking system that will have a calorie surplus available for purchase.

    A planned decoupling that takes a decade or more, could be a win for Chinese workers. A sudden decoupling that creates a food calorie shortfall, would be catastrophic for low income Chinese.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Blinky Bill
    @Anatoly Karlin


    https://twitter.com/Dragondescendan/status/1500655326021894147?s=20&t=1cY9BgpA3_704aYnftTQuQ

  • @Yevardian
    @Anatoly Karlin

    It might also have been better to not gamble literally the whole of the Russian cultural world's future existence for the next century on a single dice roll instead.
    What makes me so angry and gloomy is that is doesn't even look it was intended that way (Putin has always been cautious, I doubt this was intended as some imperial reconquestica, rather a collosal miscalculation), but after such a step has been taken there's no turning back.

    I mean, this analogy will easily be misquoted or misinterpreted, but look at Germany in 1939.. re-armament had only just started, I didn't even switch to a full war-economy until the 1943 or so.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Anatoly Karlin

    Eh, as per above, on the freak chance that Russia “loses” to Ukraine, it was never going to succeed anyway, it will have proved itself a loser civilization that might as well put it out of its misery sooner rather than later.

    2022 is the best year to solve this problem after 2014, it is unlikely there would have ever been a more favorable confluence for many reasons I have repeatedly pointed out. That Ukrainian combat effectiveness turned out higher than expected just confirms this point.

    I mean, this analogy will easily be misquoted or misinterpreted, but look at Germany in 1939.. re-armament had only just started, I didn’t even switch to a full war-economy until the 1943 or so.

    No, this is an urban legend, it started years earlier, military spending was at 10% of GDP by 1936.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    @Anatoly Karlin

    AK (2022)
    . . . on the freak chance that Russia “loses” to Ukraine, it was never going to succeed anyway, it will have proved itself a loser civilization that might as well put it out of its misery sooner rather than later.

    AH (1944)

    If the German people cannot wrest victory from the enemy, then they shall be destroyed… they deserve to perish, for the best of Germany’s manhood will have fallen in battle. Germany’s end will be horrible, and the German people will have deserved it.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    No, Putin's government is a loser government. You see, if I worked for him and believed him when he said there was no chance of him invading Ukraine, I would have lied to him and told him Russians would be welcomed and it would be over in 2 days too. This is why open and democratic will always beat closed and controlled in the long run. Yes, it looks more chaotic, but that is just superficial. In reality, by getting the chaos all out in the open, it creates better results.

    To paraphrase Augustine of Hippo: if you're going to sin or makes mistakes, do at least do it consciously or honestly.

    Amusingly, the only "Empire of Lies" that has been haunting Putin turned out to be his own bureaucracy and that is entirely his fault.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  • @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    There really doesn’t seem to be any way out of this mess, unless Putin moderates his demands at least somewhat (which seems unlikely).
     
    Well, unfortunately, on the general ground facts, I don't disagree. But now, after Russia has been reckless enough to initiate a full-scale war (perhaps not intended or expected as such, but in some sense, the incompetence implied by this is even worse) there's simply no way of backing out of this without closing without uncontestable military victory, without revolution and anarchy breaking out in Russia itself. It would be the 1990s collapse all over again, except this time, absolutely no mercy would be given. Russia as a country would be comprehensively destroyed, to be totally Americanised, its corpse asset-stripped and flooded with pajeets and assorted Bantu tribesmen.

    That's why I said least bad. Only the US ultimately benefits from this, people say China, but thinking on it more, the country is could seriously suffer internationally from after losing Russia as a credible diplomatic ally, far more so if the Russian government itself gets toppled by a colour revolution, with horrific likely consequences.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yellowface Anon, @Anatoly Karlin, @Dmitry, @LondonBob, @iffen, @Pharmakon

    It would be the 1990s collapse all over again, except this time, absolutely no mercy would be given. Russia as a country would be comprehensively destroyed, to be totally Americanised, its corpse asset-stripped and flooded with pajeets and assorted Bantu tribesmen.

    Correct. The consolation is that on the truly freak chance that Russia loses to a fake and gay country, it will prove itself to be an even faker and gayer country, and will deserve everything it gets from a vengeful and embittered West. Those who would refuse to walk the path of glory will instead crawl along the path of pain, broken and humiliated, as is the eternal fate of cowards and traitors.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The sad thing is that Russia's future fate will be the same (comprehensively destroyed) no matter what the outcome in Ukraine. If it manages to take over some of Ukraine's cities, think of all of the time and resources it will consume in trying to subdue the insurgent countryside (that will spill over into the cities as well). Imagine the very worst IRA scenarios imaginable, that is what probably awaits Russia. Drat! There goes your comfy position as a director of some transhumanist research facility.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @yakushimaru

    , @Yevardian
    @Anatoly Karlin

    It might also have been better to not gamble literally the whole of the Russian cultural world's future existence for the next century on a single dice roll instead.
    What makes me so angry and gloomy is that is doesn't even look it was intended that way (Putin has always been cautious, I doubt this was intended as some imperial reconquestica, rather a collosal miscalculation), but after such a step has been taken there's no turning back.

    I mean, this analogy will easily be misquoted or misinterpreted, but look at Germany in 1939.. re-armament had only just started, I didn't even switch to a full war-economy until the 1943 or so.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Anatoly Karlin

    , @AaronB
    @Anatoly Karlin

    What about loyalty to tribe, family, and nation even unto death and defeat?

    What about the long game - where ultimate victory means many temporary defeats?

    I suppose this kind of shallow opportunistic thinking is the ultimate logical result of materialism - one is "loyal" only to gross power and success, and only in it's immediate short term manifestation.

    Of course, this level of "commitment" never succeeds in the long run. Only uncompromising long term commitment - unconditional and "illogical" - does. If this is the calibre of "loyalty" Russia is attracting, I now see it has no chance of long term success.

    This attitude is in such stark contrast to the "illogical" commitment, loyalty, and resistance of the Ukrainians.

    But then, I have already noted that it's an illusion Russia is in any way healthier on fundamentals than the West.

    Oh, and one more thing - this attitude that mere failure is so terrible a thing, this fear of mere failure, is the small minded attitude that makes sure glory and success never come.

    And yet, a materialist cannot help but fear failure as the worst thing, and cannot help but be defeated by setback.

    , @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin

    2022 looks to be another Russian self-own, like 1914 or 1917. Many Russians were optimistic at the beginning of those disastrous misadventures, also. You have a lot of company.

    Only question is how bad it will be. Sad.


    The consolation is that on the truly freak chance that Russia loses to a fake and gay country, it will prove itself to be an even faker and gayer country, and will deserve everything it gets from a vengeful and embittered West.
     
    If Russia wins it will be the same result, except the number of people living in misery will be greater by 25-30 million and Russians will be even poorer still due to having to maintain an occupation force and having to massively rebuild under conditions of heavy sanctions.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  • @AP
    @Mikhail

    Using Donbas war and Kiev's actions in Donbas to justify the invasion and bombing of Ukraine proper is the moral equivalent of using Russia's behavior in Grozny to justify the murder of people in Moscow of schoolchildren in Beslan by Chechen terrorists. It's actually worse, because the Russian state has murdered more people than Chechens terrorists have. And because what was done to Grozny by Russia was much wore than what was done to Donbas by Kiev.

    Congratulations for demonstrating the depths of your moral depravity.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Anatoly Karlin

    Ukraine was bombing Donbass for 8 years and was ready to bomb it for another 80 years or however long it took until conquering it. This is not a war that Russia started, but it is one that Russia will end, very mercifully and quickly by comparison.

    • Agree: sher singh, Aedib, mal, RadicalCenter
    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Ukraine was bombing Donbass for 8 years and was ready to bomb it for another 80 years or however long it took until conquering it.
     
    Most of the civilian deaths in Donbas (less than 4,000) occurred in 2014-2015.

    By 2021 that number was down to 18 from January to October of that year:

    https://ukraine.un.org/en/151093-conflict-related-civilian-casualties-ukraine-8-october-2021

    Most but not all of these happened in rebel territory; some were killed by Donbas militants in government-controlled territory.

    In 2020, it had been 21 deaths, so the number was decreasing.

    To put that in perspective, this is lower than the number of automobile accident deaths in a mid-size American city, Pittsburgh (23 deaths in 2019):

    https://www.city-data.com/accidents/acc-Pittsburgh-Pennsylvania.html

    The civilian deaths almost always occurred when Donbas militants fired on Ukrainian positions and the Ukrainians returned fire. The way to end them would be to end the rebellion, either by stopping support for it or by annexing the territories and destroying Ukrainian artillery positions within range of Donbas. Invading all of Ukraine and slaughtering civilians in Kharkiv, Kiev and other cities is unnecessary for that.

    There is no moral difference between disgusting filth such as Averko trying to excuse the invasion of Ukraine by pointing out Donbas civilian deaths, and the filth that justifies killings of Muscovites and Beslan children by Chechens who lost 10,000s of civilians from Russian bombs in Grozny.

    So yes, it is morally depraved to seek to avenge the deaths in Donbas by bombing and murdering civilians in Kiev, such as this family (parents and child) who had been killed while trying to escape Irpen, a Kiev suburb:



    https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1500510896619237382?s=20&t=BCFcJwj0W0feW3JIuA8PZg
    , @Philip Owen
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Bullshit. In 2012 I was asked to supply 30,000 pairs of army boots to a military surplus dealer in Taganarog.With hindsight clearly intended for Malofeev's army. The scenario planning was published in 2005. 80,000 men were thought to be required to take Novorossiya. In the end they went for Donbass with 25,000. Russia via irregulars very very definitely started this war and planned it a decade before Maidan. It is not in doubt. The Third Empire even descirbes a Maidan pushed by Russia.

    When the Ukrainian army thrashed them, they retreated to civilian areas. Since then they have regularly shell Ukrainian positions from civilian cover. When a man dies the Ukrainians shoot back.

    The fascist mercenaries need this reaction. Conflict keeps their hold on the civilian population. Most of the dead are soldiers anyway, the largest number being Ukrainian.

  • Well these threads have become more or less useless (read: overrun by paid trolls). I guess that’s the price for Mr. Unz’s leniency.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Well as I stated before I would be very happy if Ron Unz was to archive this blog and open separate Open Threads on Ukraine (or whichever other topics). The blog is supposedly under my name but I don't even have moderation powers under posts not started by myself.

    Replies: @Beckow, @iffen

  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    Well these threads have become more or less useless (read: overrun by paid trolls). I guess that’s the price for Mr. Unz’s leniency.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Well as I stated before I would be very happy if Ron Unz was to archive this blog and open separate Open Threads on Ukraine (or whichever other topics). The blog is supposedly under my name but I don’t even have moderation powers under posts not started by myself.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Anatoly Karlin

    We are seeing the limits of rational discussion when extreme emotions take over. It should help us understand why some events in the past happened - and how easy it is to descend into one-sided madness.

    Creating a fake hysteria over 'attack on nuclear power plant' is so over the top that only people raised in the retarded Hollywood world could buy it. I hope they did it consciously, if they are really that dumb God help us. When the music stops and dancing cholas go home, where will Mr.Hack go? How many booster shots will the latter-day Nazi 'unz' pump into himself?

    Keep the blog for now. The story needs an ending, here too. There will be enough time to archive it once this is over.

    , @iffen
    @Anatoly Karlin

    under my name but I don’t even have moderation powers

    Peter, Peter, pumpkin eater has lost his moderation theatre.

    I remember you defending R. Unz vis-a-vis this issue with Peter Frost.

    Serves you right.

  • Looking forwards to seeing the cockroaches scuttling about my blog writhing in shock and disbelief a week hence.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Troll: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @utu
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Man-child is throwing a tantrum.


    Rantrums run through three phases:

    Yelling and screaming. During this initial phase, a child asserts his or her will mostly vocally, often disagreeing with a directive.

    Physical action. This is when the child may push furniture or throw toys, ultimately tiring out and bringing on the final stage.

    Crying, whining and fussing. The more physical part of the tantrum over, bigger histrionics give way to tears and the child can be consoled.
     

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Yevardian
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well, I personally think least bad option at this stage, is a quick and overwhelming Russian victory, to end what is looking to become a horrific meatgrinder close to the heart of Europe, but nonetheless I still find your blatantly imperialist attitude quite disgusting, not to mention extremely vulgar, the I think only word that describes it adequately is пошлость.
    But either way, the only 'upside' of this, in the next week, it will either be Akarlin, Pharmakon, Mike Whitney and his Asian Attack-Panda all seething and writhing uncontrollably, or the other equally emotional and hyper-partisan side doing the same (Laxa, utu and Mr. Hack etc).

    The evidence points at this stage that Russia severely miscalculated on the level of Ukrainian resistance, but it's still far too early for any Armchair Generals to make any confident prediction, imo.
    If I had to guess, I'd say Russia will take Ukraine in the next fortnight, at costs far more severe than anticipated, with immense damage to its military reputation, but ultimately achieving its goals, if not its maximalist ones. Like Finland.
    And overall, I still don't see how Russia will benefit from annexing an intensely hostile population of an utterly ruined land either. Any 'demographic' wins will easily be cancelled out by the accompanying emigration of skilled people and a dramatic drop in birthrates (which like the Russian economy, were bad already).

    Replies: @sher singh, @German_reader, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Do you even yet know that you're the one in shock and disbelief?

    And yes "cockroaches", such as the many bungled invasion apologists here, are stuck in that place with you.

    Replies: @utu

  • @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    Jewish oligarch, Oleg Deripaska. “Peace is very important!
     
    Not to say that he doesn't have human considerations, (any person who is not completely corrupt, evil and stupid, is opposed to this invasion of Ukraine), but he is also particularly vulnerable to the sanctions and has in recent years made his workers protest against sanctions.

    Apparently, GAZ was very badly damaged by the sanctions against Deripaska (from the Trump administration?).

    In 2019, oligarch Deripaska made his workers produce a "music video", to protest (Trump's?) sanctions against him.

    Here Deripaska's workers' "spontaneous" 2019 anti-sanction song was based on a classic "Coolio" song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRK0mibI_Dc

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    Wagies Posting Ls.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill

    33 Revolutions per Minute

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlroADDjDQHdP21Iz8IvVEZHnfT1kXmsU6zA&usqp.jpg






    https://youtu.be/48Kk7kobMQY

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Blinky Bill

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzfLgrmsuqk

    , @JL
    @Blinky Bill

    Not just a wagie, but a Russian eurocel (it's all over for you guys, so sorry). One would think after assuring us for so long that this would never happen because all of Russia's elite children study in the West, he'd own his L. Instead, he just keeps digging deeper down the hole, lashing out at people being corrupt, stupid and evil.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Dmitry

    , @Dmitry
    @Blinky Bill

    Yes they have to build the wagon, but Deripaska takes the profits. When Trump then gives sanctions on Deripaska, he makes them record "Coolio" songs about supporting the working class. It's something fallen from the mainstream timeline of history, in the stage between bourgeois capitalism and feudalism.

  • JL says:
    @Blinky Bill
    @Dmitry

    Wagies Posting Ls.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Thulean Friend, @JL, @Dmitry

    Not just a wagie, but a Russian eurocel (it’s all over for you guys, so sorry). One would think after assuring us for so long that this would never happen because all of Russia’s elite children study in the West, he’d own his L. Instead, he just keeps digging deeper down the hole, lashing out at people being corrupt, stupid and evil.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @JL


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNC4Qx7XsAEyM15.jpg

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    , @Dmitry
    @JL

    Are you writing about Deripaska's factory workers or myself?

    I don't think I'm interesting to discuss, but for whatever reasons (pessimistic instincts about politics) I have been "prepping" for a decade from such kind of situation.

    Being a "prepper" is somewhere halfway between cowardice and wisdom.

    If you want to feel sorry for someone, feel sorry for likely ten thousand people killed in Ukraine already, refugees from Ukraine who will soon be millions, people who will lose their family, never see friends again, young people never enjoy life again, etc.


    eurocel (it’s all over for you guys, so sorry).

     

    I have to google these words, as I'm not 13 years old. But I remember discussing with you when you said that inflation was not a problem, even without the geopolitical contribution. You still didn't reply to the last comment when I was discussing about rising inflation.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/based-putler/#comment-3249440 That said, people complaining about inflation while living in a safe country sounds a bit selfish and trivial in context of war.

    of Russia’s elite
     
    Yes, some people I know are trying to arrange to help fund for refugees, it seems like most people are not slave to demons of corruption and nihilism, even if a lot of original source of wealth had been ultimately derived with their assistance.
  • The previous Open Thread focused on the Russia-Ukraine war has nearly reached 800 comments, and the large volume of Tweets and other embedded material has led to complaints of sluggishness, so I'm opening this new thread. In order to minimize such problems in the future, it's probably a good idea to use the MORE tag...
  • @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Did you see the article by Lukyanov subtly alluding to the end of the Putin era on RT?

    A smart elite knows when one of them needs to take a fall. Internal scapegoats and apologies are what are needed.

    The operation in Ukraine is a complete disaster for Russia. The international reaction could not have been predicted as less favourable than it has been and is only getting worse. China is now backing away and will if this thing continues.

    The military part is a joke, and Russia hasn't even attempted anything difficult yet. Just wait until your failing forces try to pacify Kyiv.

    The only way out is peace, but you've lost every facet of this war and it has been less than a week. What is Russia going to do? A war of attrition with 150,000 poorly motivated troops against 30 million highly motivated people? With all of the people continually rearmed by the richest countries in the world via a border that Russia couldn't hope to close even if that was their only aim?

    Putin lost the hybrid war for Ukraine. Threw a tantrum over his loss. Rolled in the tanks. But now is finding out why exactly hybrid warfare replaced rolling in the tanks. The 1970s want their military doctrine back and the 1940s want their technology.

    Smart Russians should be working out ways to save the Russian nationalist project in the face of this complete disaster. As I said, I suggest the scapegoating route. Ritually sacrifice your leader and make things normal again. You lost Ukraine over the last decade. This war is just revealing that fact to the obtuse. Don't hitch your wagon to an old, dying horse. Putin can be rehabilitated in a couple of decades as a memory if need be.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    No offense, but you have a /r/worldnews-tier understanding of war. Reality itself will brutally refute your fantasies over the next several days.

    Shock and disbelief.

    • Agree: Beckow, Pharmakon, mal
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Putin's armoured advance reminds me of the scene at the end of The Last Samurai, but with one difference. The Samurai knew that they had already lost the war.

    What do you hope it achieves?

    That they encircle Ukrainian cities? This should be easy, but it only puts Russia in a worse position. Vulnerable and stuck in a war of attrition against an infinite and infinitely supplied enemy. How will you even pay for it?

    Or that they enter Ukrainian cities and establish positions? Again, that puts them in a much worse position. Where else would Russia's opponents want Russia's armies than in ridiculously vulnerable positions trying to govern obviously hostile cities?

    What are you going to do? Sick the Chechens on them? This idea is somehow more idiotic than it is even repulsive. Chechens can't do counter-insurgency in Ukraine. You literally could not pick a worse force for that. They know nothing and are hated and uncontrolled. Moronic.

    Meanwhile, on the Hybrid War front, Russia is eviscerated. You could not have been more obviously defeated.

    Putin was already not a glorious "victorious warlord." He lost in Ukraine over the last decade. Idiots can whinge about "Empire of Lies" or "psychopathic Nuland", but those institutions won. This is why they will remain popular and in power.

    Meanwhile, Putin had a fig leaf of respect because he had not yet thrown everything away on one last and completely pointless and hopeless charge. But now he has signed, sealed and delivered total victory to the US and wrecked everything that he stood for.

    Let me say again, the only option for Russians who want to save something of their project is to scapegoat Putin. Apologise. Withdraw. Recognise that you already lost Ukraine and move on.

    Putinism is swiftly becoming the loser ideology that it pretends to counter. What way is victory? What are your goals? Every Russian killed in this war is soil heaped on the coffin of your project, as is every Ukrainian killed. No matter who dies, you only lose harder. There is no end to the losses Russia might sustain if this continues. Things can get much worse for you. The country could be dismembered. And for what? So your youth can sit in armoured positions in hostile cities, getting shot whenever they break cover? Or getting NLAWed?

    F*CK me. This is the stupidest and most ridiculously tragic decision of my life...

    And all of this is before we get to the fact that Russia is going around murdering Ukrainians...which is a blood that will not wash off, no matter how much you try to pretend that it isn't there or is somehow justified. No joke, if speaking figuratively, but this mission is damned by heaven and the only result for its perpetrators is hell.

    (Finally, I know that you know that everyone in Russia, including Putin, desperately wishes they could turn the clock back to before the invasion. You could have gotten sanctions lifted, Crimea recognised and maybe more. But now you're stuck in a snowballing situation without even a concept of victory. The only question is whether you get out now and the avalanche only takes out Putin and other token heads, or later, and you risk most of Russia. There is no limit to how much this might cost you if you continue. It could be a collapse of the Soviet Union, but without the international goodwill and worse, even with an opportunistic China. Get a f*ckng grip. Even Hitler knew the Anschluss wouldn't work if he wasn't welcomed.)

    , @Pharmakon
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Mr. Karlin, let us be clear on something:

    Even though Mother Russia is on the way of achieving what, to my knowledge, has never been achieved before, she (and, by extension, you) will not get commended. They can't give her that. They'll always sour the sweet victory by pointing out at real or imaginary deficiencies.

    Yes, the Ukraine is the largest European state. Its army - the largest in Europe. An army with years of real combat experience. Moreover, an army which has been trained, for years now, by the US and other NATO members. All those facts matter not, because the West/Globohomo has no valor - it's just the way it is.

    Meanwhile, accept Russia's "Web" defeat and, when the time comes, enjoy her sweet vitory in the Real World.

    If I were Putin, I'd have Vitory Day Parade in Kiev on the 9th of May. Victory must be celebrated and communicated to, both, friends and foes alike.

  • @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    What's really insane about AK's views imo is that after all he wants to annex large parts of Ukraine and re-educate 30 million or so into being good, patriots loyally serving the cause of the Russian empire...and apparently thinks the way to do this is by totally unrestrained use of military force, war crimes and secret police actions.

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Anatoly Karlin

    What’s really insane is your and Yevardian’s lack of basic reading comprehension and contextualization skills. (Hack’s problem not so insane, he’s a known moron).

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Keep it up Mr. High IQ. I see that "my work" on your blog has finally hit some dividends, even though I've managed to remain rather quiet so far. Good to know.

    , @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I don't see how several comments (or re-tweets, about "unsustainable strategy") of yours on Twitter can be interpreted except as a call for Russia's armed forces to give up all restraints in their conduct of the war. Which obviously would be at odds with the "liberation"/"re-union of the Russian world" narrative if Russia just starts indiscriminately levelling urban areas. This operation doesn't seem to have been that well-planned, apparently there were faulty assumptions about the level of resistance to be encountered. Sure, you're certainly right that Ukraine will in the end be defeated militarily (unless this turns into some wider war, which I really hope it won't). But the political costs will be higher than anticipated.

    Replies: @Beckow

  • @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Putin won’t be assassinated by a Russian for reconquering the Black Sea.

    Replies: @A123, @Pharmakon

    You seem to be one of the very few people here who understand what is going on, thank you for that! The majority of the comments project such astonishing levels of immaturity, I’m starting to wonder if this has turned into a kindergarten but no – even my 5-yo has a better grasp on basic military matters. I guess, Globohomo’s “education” has done a great job, after all.

    I don’t have time for a detailed post but here it goes:

    It is not just linking up South Ukraine/sea of Azov to Russia – the whole Southeast will collapse after the Southern and Northern groupings link up – this places a dilemma on the the Ukrainian grouping that is dug in in the Donbass (the Ukraine’s the most battle-hardened and capable units) – get into a pocket and feed the meatgrinder or retreat towards Dnepropetrovsk and get massacred by the VKS. Since elements of the Crimean grouping are already near Zaporozhye, the Ukrainians must decide quickly. Either way, the Southeast will be Russian in a matter of days.

    After Harkov falls – the whole leftbank/Eastern Ukraine will be in Russian hands. But Harkov is the home of the most radical wackos, so things might turn hairy. There’s a rumor that the city administration prefers to surrender, but this is just a rumor and the Pravoseki radicals might not go with that – they’ve got nothing to lose anyways.

    The left wing of the Crimean grouping is, already, at Nikolaev’s gates. This forces a dilemma on the Odessa garrison – keep digging in and risk getting surrounded or send a sizable detachment to help reinforce the river Buk crossings at Nikolaev.

    I have no idea of the force size in Transnistria/Pridnestrovye but if I were Ukrainian, I’d be really worried – the Pridnestrovye could be used as offensive launch pad in multiple directions: 1. Towards Odessa/Black sea coast clean up. 2. Towards Kiev, thus sever Western Ukraine from the rest of the country. 3. Towards the West, for example – Vinitsa.

    Kiev is surrounded from the West, the North and the East. Its complete encirclement will be accomplished very soon.

    Since there are multiple indicators that the USA will fight Russia ’till the last Ukrainian (the scorched earth policy of arming criminals, not letting people leave town, etc), the Ukraine’s capitulation depends on how quickly and bloodlessly Kiev and Harkov are taken. Given the RoE, this will be a very complex and difficult task to achieve but it must be done within 7-10 days. Otherwise, a humanitarian crisis would develop which will be gleefully utilized by Russia’s enemies – the Russians know that.

    Finally, instead of watching videos with no context, reading Twitter-“experts” and watching TV, it would be much more useful to focus on the OPERATIONAL picture – for that you, simply, need a map which is relatively representative of the situation on the ground – hell, even the Wiki map is good enough to see what is going on – the Russians are thinking big and they are going after the WHOLE of Ukraine – this is perfectly clear now.

    Have a good day/night!

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Pharmakon

    The critical question is whether Russia will leave Western Ukraine (Galicia + Volyn) alone or if their plans include marching up to the Polish/Slovak border.

    Replies: @Pharmakon

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Pharmakon

    Thanks for keeping the flame of rationality alive in this Godforsaken hole.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Agathoklis
    @Pharmakon

    Good comment. Well done.

    Let's hope the Greeks of southern Russia remain safe and will soon be able to recover their commercial dominance of northern Black Sea when this is over. Next stop Constantinople.

    Replies: @Pharmakon

  • @Pharmakon
    @Wokechoke

    You seem to be one of the very few people here who understand what is going on, thank you for that! The majority of the comments project such astonishing levels of immaturity, I'm starting to wonder if this has turned into a kindergarten but no - even my 5-yo has a better grasp on basic military matters. I guess, Globohomo's "education" has done a great job, after all.

    I don't have time for a detailed post but here it goes:

    It is not just linking up South Ukraine/sea of Azov to Russia - the whole Southeast will collapse after the Southern and Northern groupings link up - this places a dilemma on the the Ukrainian grouping that is dug in in the Donbass (the Ukraine's the most battle-hardened and capable units) - get into a pocket and feed the meatgrinder or retreat towards Dnepropetrovsk and get massacred by the VKS. Since elements of the Crimean grouping are already near Zaporozhye, the Ukrainians must decide quickly. Either way, the Southeast will be Russian in a matter of days.

    After Harkov falls - the whole leftbank/Eastern Ukraine will be in Russian hands. But Harkov is the home of the most radical wackos, so things might turn hairy. There's a rumor that the city administration prefers to surrender, but this is just a rumor and the Pravoseki radicals might not go with that - they've got nothing to lose anyways.

    The left wing of the Crimean grouping is, already, at Nikolaev's gates. This forces a dilemma on the Odessa garrison - keep digging in and risk getting surrounded or send a sizable detachment to help reinforce the river Buk crossings at Nikolaev.

    I have no idea of the force size in Transnistria/Pridnestrovye but if I were Ukrainian, I'd be really worried - the Pridnestrovye could be used as offensive launch pad in multiple directions: 1. Towards Odessa/Black sea coast clean up. 2. Towards Kiev, thus sever Western Ukraine from the rest of the country. 3. Towards the West, for example - Vinitsa.

    Kiev is surrounded from the West, the North and the East. Its complete encirclement will be accomplished very soon.

    Since there are multiple indicators that the USA will fight Russia 'till the last Ukrainian (the scorched earth policy of arming criminals, not letting people leave town, etc), the Ukraine's capitulation depends on how quickly and bloodlessly Kiev and Harkov are taken. Given the RoE, this will be a very complex and difficult task to achieve but it must be done within 7-10 days. Otherwise, a humanitarian crisis would develop which will be gleefully utilized by Russia's enemies - the Russians know that.

    Finally, instead of watching videos with no context, reading Twitter-"experts" and watching TV, it would be much more useful to focus on the OPERATIONAL picture - for that you, simply, need a map which is relatively representative of the situation on the ground - hell, even the Wiki map is good enough to see what is going on - the Russians are thinking big and they are going after the WHOLE of Ukraine - this is perfectly clear now.

    Have a good day/night!

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg#/media/File:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine.svg

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Anatoly Karlin, @Agathoklis

    Thanks for keeping the flame of rationality alive in this Godforsaken hole.

    • Thanks: Pharmakon
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Stage 2 of Kubler-Ross model?

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Did you see the article by Lukyanov subtly alluding to the end of the Putin era on RT?

    A smart elite knows when one of them needs to take a fall. Internal scapegoats and apologies are what are needed.

    The operation in Ukraine is a complete disaster for Russia. The international reaction could not have been predicted as less favourable than it has been and is only getting worse. China is now backing away and will if this thing continues.

    The military part is a joke, and Russia hasn't even attempted anything difficult yet. Just wait until your failing forces try to pacify Kyiv.

    The only way out is peace, but you've lost every facet of this war and it has been less than a week. What is Russia going to do? A war of attrition with 150,000 poorly motivated troops against 30 million highly motivated people? With all of the people continually rearmed by the richest countries in the world via a border that Russia couldn't hope to close even if that was their only aim?

    Putin lost the hybrid war for Ukraine. Threw a tantrum over his loss. Rolled in the tanks. But now is finding out why exactly hybrid warfare replaced rolling in the tanks. The 1970s want their military doctrine back and the 1940s want their technology.

    Smart Russians should be working out ways to save the Russian nationalist project in the face of this complete disaster. As I said, I suggest the scapegoating route. Ritually sacrifice your leader and make things normal again. You lost Ukraine over the last decade. This war is just revealing that fact to the obtuse. Don't hitch your wagon to an old, dying horse. Putin can be rehabilitated in a couple of decades as a memory if need be.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

  • @Svidomyatheart
    And with this type of stuff Putin is gonna get branded a war criminal asap and the west will double down on him....

    Idk what Putin is thinking lol

    Endangering whole Russia...


    https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1498548312848453638

    https://twitter.com/ignis_fatum/status/1498548594529472513

    I even checked Strelkov's VK page where the most ardent Putinists lurk

    https://vk.com/igoristrelkov

    Very good comment under the Страна Z with the most upvotes...

    Эта война - наитупейшее безумие.
    Они делают ровно тоже самое, за что восемь лет обвиняли украинцев - военным образом штурмуют города, которые не хотят им подчиняться. И делают это в чужой стране, и в гораздо бОльшем масштабе. После такого на бедствия русских Донбасса уже точно будет всем плевать.
    Я боюсь, что ситуация может пойти по самому катастрофическому сценарию для России и русского народа.

    ppl can hit it into google translate

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @sudden death, @LondonBob, @Anatoly Karlin, @Wokechoke

    Bombed an Azov recruiting center early in the morning with zero deaths.

    But in principle yes, this too will get branded a war crime, I don’t know why Russia bothers by this point.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Anatoly Karlin


    But in principle yes, this too will get branded a war crime, I don’t know why Russia bothers by this point.
     
    *NICE.* I think utu's <30 years estimate of gulag-time for AK's spiritual redemption may have been overly generous.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Bombed an Azov recruiting center early in the morning with zero deaths.

    But in principle yes, this too will get branded a war crime, I don’t know why Russia bothers by this point.

     
    AK,

    While the Fake Stream Media is fully deranged, viewership is plummeting. Their ability to misrepresent something as a War Crime is quite limited. Putin is winning the immediate war by refusing to provide anything that can be considered a "massacre".

    Killary Clinton and George IslamoSoros are openly backing Ukraine. Clearly, Putin must be doing something right.

     
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/soros-clinton-Ukraine-text-messages.jpg
     

    Multipolar geopolitics are much harder to read.
    ___

    -A- Banking SJW Globalists are defiantly losing.

    Debanking average Russians will backfire (1)

    A recent image attributed to the Moscow subway system presents some consideration for a potentially larger problem.

    Increasingly, people everywhere have stopped using cash to pay for simple purchases. The electronic payment systems shifted to credit cards and debit cards, and then, eventually as technology merged with phone platforms, the linking of your portable transponder to your financial institution in order to make purchases became an efficient way to make transactions.

    However, as governments start using definitions of who is good and who is bad to create sanctions against the bad actors, and with Russia representing the most expansive modern targeting of the global financial system, the control of monetary transactions enters the sphere of integrated payment systems like VISA, Mastercard, Apple Pay, Google Pay and others. With Russia being essentially “de-banked” on the world stage, this happens:
     
     
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Ukraine-Digital-Currency-1.jpg
     

    Much of "crypto currency" was driven by small numbers of people willing to make technical leaps. This type of fiasco creates opportunities for simpler solutions to be produced on a much wider scale.

    Perhaps an open source backbone that allows interoperability with multiple firms in multiple jurisdictions? If one specific end user app falls to foreign intervention, other tools in the open source tree can be used instead.
    ___

    -B- Populism is winning.

    Run away inflation in the U.S. has driven the Globalist regime's numbers to unprecedented lows. No one bought the SJW attempt to blame yesterday's inflation on today's war.
    ___

    -C- Decoupling is winning.

    -- America will be less reliant on China.
    -- Europe will be less reliant on Russia.

    To the extent this creates a Russian-China alignment is unfortunate for the much lower population of Russia. However there does not seem to be any way to avoid this fate.

    Simplified supply chains will help both Chinese and America workers. Elite exploiters will no longer be able to blame low pay and poor conditions on a vague and distant foe. State Owned Enterprises controlled by CCP Elites will no longer be able to hide their abusive nature.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/28/as-the-world-debanks-the-country-of-russia-theres-some-individual-lessons-to-be-learned/
  • @Anatoly Karlin
    As I noted before, I am sorry to have left this literally Reddit-tier community of soylings, limitrophes, and box unpacking video connoisseurs turned overnight military experts as my last legacy to UR. Bizarre that it remains under my name.

    Anyhow, the Ukrainian collapse is days away. The level of shock and disbelief here and on Reddit will be biblical.

    https://i.imgur.com/DPgcNtw.png

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @Max Payne, @Barbarossa, @Beckow

    AK, your legacy is safe: open discussions are rare and now the West is shutting down any diverging views. There goes the bedrock value of the West. It is not a good sign for any civilization to suppress its core values.

    Regarding the soy-boys: one should never show half-done work to a moron. We now see what happens. Poor Mr. Hack is so giddy that I am worried about him once the reality hits and the dancing cholas go home.

    It is always like that, Napoleon declared a glorious victory and held a banquet. Germans and their allies (almost all of Europe as always, including many Ukrainians) were winning till the bitter end. It is in their blood, they resent the horrible defeats by Russia – this is visible among the giggling Germans like that fool Olaf.

    After 5 days: Black See coast and Dnieper estuary are in the Russian hands, Ukies in the east have no way to retreat with weapons, Kiev and Kharkov are surrounded.

    Strategically any hope of Ukraine in NATO or reoccupying Donbas by force is gone. The cost for Russia is isolation and lost fortunes by the ‘oligarchs’. Nobody in Russia cares about the oligarchs, they hate them and want them gone. You cannot manipulate a country or slow down its internal development when you isolate yourself from it – as the West has just done with Russia. The massive natural resources and lands are still there. This is an unfolding loss-loss for Europe and Russia, but they will talk again after this is over. They really don’t have much of a choice.

  • As I noted before, I am sorry to have left this literally Reddit-tier community of soylings, limitrophes, and box unpacking video connoisseurs turned overnight military experts as my last legacy to UR. Bizarre that it remains under my name.

    Anyhow, the Ukrainian collapse is days away. The level of shock and disbelief here and on Reddit will be biblical.

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Thanks: Max Payne
    • LOL: sher singh, songbird
    • Replies: @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin

    AK,

    Does that mean that you agree with Fox News guest Col. Douglas Macgregor: (1)


    Macgregor’s perspective reconciles the disparity between what the U.S. government, State Dept, and corporate media are saying -vs- what is visible.

    Essentially, Macgregor is saying that Russia does not want to engage a civilian population and is making every effort to avoid civilian conflict in those population centers. In part this is because Putin knows the Western approach is a propaganda war that would be fueled by what it would look like if population carnage took place. However, if Ukraine President Zelensky does not acquiesce to terms, Putin could easily crush those centers with artillery and rockets.

    What Macgregor outlines would explain why these skirmishes always seem ‘off in the distance’.

    The western government and media perspective is to make it seem like Volodymyr Zelenski and the rebellious civilian misfits are beating the Russian army because that frames a better story. However, what Macgregor outlines is Putin not wanting to fuel the United Nations, NATO and State Dept narrative engineering, thus the absence of visible fighting
     

    It is hard to find any scenario that leads to a Ukrainian military win.
    ___

    My big question is, "How much will Russia and Putin have to pay?"

    Peace is not an inexpensive proposition. The result initial round of "non-sanctions" [MORE] that exempt energy are a joke. However, substantial casualties are more likely to produce real sanctions.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/27/col-douglas-macgregor-has-a-slightly-different-take-on-russia-ukraine-conflict/

    Even "WOOD" energy is exempt from U.S. sanctions.

     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMb4sHlXMCseVCS.jpg

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    If you're "sorry to have left", feel free to reappear whenever the mood strikes. Nobody here ever chased you away, in the first place? There's alway room for one more "soyling" more or less. :-)

    , @Max Payne
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Man don't act all innocent. You did this.

    You brought these people here from your social media adventures.
    Then you left after starting a substack.
    Then you didn't write anything on substack.

    And after all that time you pop up at a crisis and advertise a discord, which is not lost on many of us is probably a crypto-based discord that is only topically cumming over the current situation (laden with bots, pajeets, and 15 year olds dreaming of NFT fortunes).

    WE ALL CAME IN HERE BECAUSE every Russian website from RT, Tass to nobodies like TheSaker are being DDoS'd to oblivion (or steamrolled in traffic).

    Israel Shamir is barely typing. SmoothieX12, who now youtubes, decided to take a vacation on the eve of all this. And twitter is so useless I can probably find tweets proving that all this was actually a secret Majestic-12 psyop and Ukraine and Russia don't actually exist (because the Earth if flat, of course).

    Unz has been the only place that hasn't given me some awkward ddos guard or captcha that flops.

    You know what.... congratulations on predicting the exact date of this operation. You can go back to twitter.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Barbarossa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Your trolling attitude aside, I have found the level of blow by blow military parsing to be somewhat amusing. The high levels of propaganda from all sides along with the general fog of war means that 90%+ is straight up BS or cripplingly tendentious.

    Unless one is a hardcore tactics and hardware nerd, what's the point?

    The only thing that really matters is the West's response and the possibility of escalation.

    P.S. I see that you left the Bug-men out of your indictment this time. Have you successfully driven them out of the forum?!

    Replies: @RSDB

    , @Beckow
    @Anatoly Karlin

    AK, your legacy is safe: open discussions are rare and now the West is shutting down any diverging views. There goes the bedrock value of the West. It is not a good sign for any civilization to suppress its core values.

    Regarding the soy-boys: one should never show half-done work to a moron. We now see what happens. Poor Mr. Hack is so giddy that I am worried about him once the reality hits and the dancing cholas go home.

    It is always like that, Napoleon declared a glorious victory and held a banquet. Germans and their allies (almost all of Europe as always, including many Ukrainians) were winning till the bitter end. It is in their blood, they resent the horrible defeats by Russia - this is visible among the giggling Germans like that fool Olaf.

    After 5 days: Black See coast and Dnieper estuary are in the Russian hands, Ukies in the east have no way to retreat with weapons, Kiev and Kharkov are surrounded.

    Strategically any hope of Ukraine in NATO or reoccupying Donbas by force is gone. The cost for Russia is isolation and lost fortunes by the 'oligarchs'. Nobody in Russia cares about the oligarchs, they hate them and want them gone. You cannot manipulate a country or slow down its internal development when you isolate yourself from it - as the West has just done with Russia. The massive natural resources and lands are still there. This is an unfolding loss-loss for Europe and Russia, but they will talk again after this is over. They really don't have much of a choice.

  • Doxing myself a bit, but don’t care – senpai has noticed me!

    Margarita Simonyan screenshots my post in Telegram along with a few others, says thank you.
    The day wasn’t completely bad 😀

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
  • 1. Russia has a 4th rate military that cannot even operate at night. France, by themselves, would comprehensively destroy them. Their tempo of operations would be at least twice as fast.

    2. A Russian nationalism that rests of murdering Ukrainians is doomed.

    3. Ukraine may have been a fake country but it isn’t now and any Ukrainians who sided with Russia are the sort of traitors and scumbags which would make Ghani look honourable.

    4. All political careers end in failure and Putin’s has ended in epic failure. It is fitting given how successful it was previously.

    5. Russia should have negotiated recognition of Crimea and the Republics and been at peace. NATO never actually threatened Russia militarily. That’s a paranoid fantasy.

    6. Ukraine will join NATO. Possibly even the EU! Russia should join too and force it all in a conservative direction with Poland etc.

    7. Russia may also now lose Chechnya, Belorus et al. It is not the West that has been revealed as the paper tiger.

    8. Democracies are plenty warlike and good at fighting. Idiots always forget this. America got hit with one terrorist attack on 9/11 and then invaded a country on the side of the world and terrorised the Taliban for 2 decades. They also flatten Iraq and would have flattened a bunch of other countries had their vengeful spirit not been directed to hopeless nation building. Democracies fight and fight well. France only didn’t resist German occupation in WW2 because it was too short a time and French could go off and join the free French to resist from war not internally.

    9. Somehow a Ukrainian TV clown is now a warrior President and will be the face of the decade. Lol at Putin and Russian military for being so humiliated. Come on guys, you should have just developed Siberia etc.

    10. This is all very sad. The Russian establishment and nationalists need to forge a new narrative without Putin and he should fall on his sword to save the movement. Join NATO, save Europe from within

    • LOL: mal, Anatoly Karlin
    • Troll: Yevardian
    • Replies: @utu
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Great comment. Pretty much agree with all points except I do not see Russia in NATO or EU for a long time.

    Replies: @thamesandhudson

    , @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    A good one :). You have descended into a parody. I recall your defense of how West was "sincere" in Iraq, Serbia etc... believing its own lies. Maybe you do too.

    Some counter-points:

    1. It was NATO military that run away like a bunch of scared teenage girls in the last month. Not Russia.

    2. There was no offer to recognize Crimea and Donbas by the West, or to pull back its forces from Ukraine. Just the opposite: they doubled down. So your suggestion is hot air.

    3. French can't even subdue Mali. They wouldn't last against a real enemy 2 weeks. They could go nuclear, but so could their enemies - and France is not that big. (Your WWII French collapse 'explanation' is just hilarious, beyond anyone ability to comment. Really funny.)

    4. "NATO never actually threatened Russia militarily"

    Right. And how do you define "actually"? NATO repeatedly declared that Russia is its primary enemy - way back 10 years ago and before Maidan in Ukraine. Placing bases, weapons and missiles on Russia's border, arming Ukraine and saying that it will be in NATO (officially already way back in 2008) - that is not a threat? How about if Russia would do the same in Ireland against UK, or in Mexico?

    You are wrong about your predictions:
    - Ukraine will not be in NATO; they were never going to be in EU, so that hasn't changed
    - Russia has consolidated as it does every now and then. With no Western access, Putin is stronger than he was before. The liberal pro-Western Russians are the real losers - maybe 5-10% of population.
    - Ukrainians will go with the winner, that always happens and it will happen this time too. The ones who hate it can now leave easily. The rest will adapt, they are fatalistic people. But their folklore, ballads and self-pity will continue, you are right there.

    The real loser is Europe: they had a chance to make it work by publicly announcing that Ukraine will not be in NATO and not a single leader had the guts to go against Washington and say it. They whispered it in secret like silly girls, look at those fools Macron and Sholtz. Now for the consequences.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Yevardian

    , @Corporal Punishment
    @Triteleia Laxa


    1. Russia has a 4th rate military that cannot even operate at night. France, by themselves, would comprehensively destroy them. Their tempo of operations would be at least twice as fast.
     
    Indeed. It's shocking that the Russians still can't fight at night! Especially when you used to be able to buy decent Russian-made night-vision equipment at Walmart a decade ago. I'm guessing the real problem is that Russian generals had no real plans for fighting at night? Whatever...their meager advances come to a complete halt once the sun goes down. The over-hyped "modern" Russian military is pretty embarrassing.

    It's also true that France has come a long way militarily. I've heard nothing but good things about their special forces and air force. They also did a good job fighting a bloody military campaign against ISIS in central Africa for the last 10 years. They've been ordered to leave by corrupt Africans but at least the French were able to fight at night, supply their troops adequately and hold ground with its airborne forces. Meanwhile the Russian military (and Russian mercenaries in Africa) are running around liked a bunch of pissed-on chickens.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Yevardian
    @Triteleia Laxa


    10. This is all very sad. The Russian establishment and nationalists need to forge a new narrative without Putin and he should fall on his sword to save the movement. Join NATO, save Europe from within
     
    LOL, any gestures Russia made regarding joining NATO were laughed out of the room, even under that alcoholic stooge Yeltsin. There was no reason for NATO to exist after 1991.
    I think Putin has made a historic mistake in taking this massive and extremely rash gamble, and I greatly fear what will happen to Russia (and by extension, Armenia) after this, but your comment is in bad faith as usual.

    Replies: @Astuteobservor II

    , @Barbarossa
    @Triteleia Laxa

    As Yevardian mentioned, there was interest by Putin in joining NATO, which was not taken seriously. It's not as though Russia is just imagining that NATO is at core an anti-Russian alliance. It's rather silly to imagine that Russia's security concerns were all imaginary.

    Putin may well have made a critical mistake in recent moves, it's too soon to really tell with so many factors in play. Either way, he's made his decisive move and the chips will fall where they may.

    , @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    @Triteleia Laxa


    5. Russia should have negotiated recognition of Crimea and the Republics and been at peace. NATO never actually threatened Russia militarily. That’s a paranoid fantasy.
     
    What Putin has done is expose Russia to systematic deconstruction and disembowelment. He is an utter fossil. The fanboyness on display here and elsewhere should be: automatically disqualifying to service to the Russian people and state.

    To Davos and the WEF - oooooo, what juicy bits those Russian oligarchs look like!

  • @Yellowface Anon
    @Levtraro

    Bearish for TradFi, bullish for cryptos to evade sanctions like this, as Russia represents a major part of crypto market/development and especially as everyone sees how (along with Trudeau freezing dissident bank accounts) TradFi is under America's iron fist.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Plausible but I suspect sooner the opposite will be true. Regulators will be clamping down on crypto hard.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Anatoly Karlin

    So they are speeding up their own CBDC then?

  • @mal
    And also, for the record, I got the current situation wrong, and Karlin was right.

    I expected Russia to bomb Ukraine, and I advocated for it like a year ago. I wanted ballistic missile strikes on Ukrainian warehouses of extra military equipment. This happened in like first 12 hours of our current adventure. It was good and proper. But i expected those strikes to compel Ukraine to fulfill the Minsk agreements.

    What i didn't see was ground invasion and far more importantly, Russia giving up on Minsk process that Russia was calling for for the past 8 years. I thought Minsk was the key. With Russia giving up on Minsk, it means global Western dictated diplomacy is dead and we are off into a new bright and glorious future.

    There is no turning back. It will be a fight to the death, and new global order will be born one way or another. Putin's 2007 vision will come true or nukes will fly. Maybe both, but like 5 years sooner than expected.

    So as a Russian Cosmist and accelerationist, all i have to say is well, it'll certainly be an adventure of a lifetime, whether we like it or not :)

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Mikhail

    Based and posadistpilled.

    • Agree: mal
  • And also, for the record, I got the current situation wrong, and Karlin was right.

    I expected Russia to bomb Ukraine, and I advocated for it like a year ago. I wanted ballistic missile strikes on Ukrainian warehouses of extra military equipment. This happened in like first 12 hours of our current adventure. It was good and proper. But i expected those strikes to compel Ukraine to fulfill the Minsk agreements.

    What i didn’t see was ground invasion and far more importantly, Russia giving up on Minsk process that Russia was calling for for the past 8 years. I thought Minsk was the key. With Russia giving up on Minsk, it means global Western dictated diplomacy is dead and we are off into a new bright and glorious future.

    There is no turning back. It will be a fight to the death, and new global order will be born one way or another. Putin’s 2007 vision will come true or nukes will fly. Maybe both, but like 5 years sooner than expected.

    So as a Russian Cosmist and accelerationist, all i have to say is well, it’ll certainly be an adventure of a lifetime, whether we like it or not 🙂

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @mal

    Based and posadistpilled.

    , @Mikhail
    @mal

    Who actually got it completely right?

    Who predicted that Putin would first formally recognize Lugansk and Donetsk, followed by his answering their request?

    While I'm here, this is a good one:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/02/27/constructive-destruction-of-russia-model-of-relations-with-west/

    EU has banned RT and sanctioned its CEO. Apparently (at least where I am), you can only get into that venue by having a linked article from that site.

  • Russia has just recognized the LNR and DNR, the logical culmination of Russia's "Nationalist Turn" that identified as having been initiated under Putin by the late 2010s, as well as shorter-term predictions. As things stand now, we have: We have Putin openly calling Ukraine a Bolshevik-created fake state to universal Western shock and disbelief, openly...
  • @songbird
    @A123

    Seems obvious that AK does not want to make the time commitment necessary for maintaining this forum, and opening this thread was an effort on his part to try to remove such expectations. Nor should he reasonably feel the obligation, as he has already proposed and supported an alternative, and has had the accomplishment of opening some 170 odd open threads.

    Of course, I am an Unz AK open thread partisan and hope it continues forever, but believe it will have to find some other modus operandi, than asking him or Mr. Unz to make new open threads.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Yes, this. Also, while I repeat that I greatly appreciate many of the commenters, it has become on the whole a space that is highly hostile not just to my corpus of work and to my core values but to me personally (https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-176/#comment-5188687), up to the point of one particular commenter calling for my execution, which is perfectly fine and based, but also rather absurd to continue to associate with me.

    I requested Ron Unz to archive this blog and, if there is sufficient interest, to create a new/separate Open Threads section for the post-RR commentariat.

    • Thanks: songbird, Barbarossa, sher singh
    • Replies: @iffen
    @Anatoly Karlin

    "Shane! Shane! Come back!"

    "A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."

  • @A123
    @Jatt Aryaa

    You are correct. This thread is badly technologically broken/nuked. Normal site features features are no longer available.

    Multiposting Twitter links seems to be the immediate cause. I tried to report this to AK, but without explanation he marked the technology nuking / broken site issue "disagree".

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    Seems obvious that AK does not want to make the time commitment necessary for maintaining this forum, and opening this thread was an effort on his part to try to remove such expectations. Nor should he reasonably feel the obligation, as he has already proposed and supported an alternative, and has had the accomplishment of opening some 170 odd open threads.

    Of course, I am an Unz AK open thread partisan and hope it continues forever, but believe it will have to find some other modus operandi, than asking him or Mr. Unz to make new open threads.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @songbird

    Yes, this. Also, while I repeat that I greatly appreciate many of the commenters, it has become on the whole a space that is highly hostile not just to my corpus of work and to my core values but to me personally (https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-176/#comment-5188687), up to the point of one particular commenter calling for my execution, which is perfectly fine and based, but also rather absurd to continue to associate with me.

    I requested Ron Unz to archive this blog and, if there is sufficient interest, to create a new/separate Open Threads section for the post-RR commentariat.

    Replies: @iffen

  • @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    As I recall, that was pretty much the only such example.
     
    In addition to Mariupol I think you said that Ukraine's air defenses were eliminated right away (like within half a day), which was clearly wrong.

    That said, apart from the downed Russian bomber, there were several other such cases on your part, the encirclement and destruction of the paratroopers at Gostome
     
    Gostomel was retaken by the Ukrainians and then lost again IIRC.

    AFAIK there’s still no evidence of the 2 shot down transport planes,
     
    American DOD conformed it, so it's not just the Ukrainians making the claim.

    On the broader points, I was extremely accurate. Timed the invasion to within two days
     
    You were absolutely right when it came to the Russian side and predicting what it would do, one of the few who was so accurate.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Beckow

    Here are Russian-speaking locals berating a poor captured Russian conscript in their own language

    This proves nothing. There are also videos of very positive local reactions.

    In addition to Mariupol I think you said that Ukraine’s air defenses were eliminated right away (like within half a day), which was clearly wrong.

    A critical mass of them were, since Russia has total air dominance, and to date all the most stunning Ukrainian AA successes have either been refuted or remain unconfirmed.

    Gostomel was retaken by the Ukrainians and then lost again IIRC.

    The paratroopers retreated to a more defensible perimeter, and held off the Ukrainian counter-attacks with air support. Then ground forces linked up with them.

    Incidentally, looks like the Snake Island saga was indeed a total larp designed for credulous Westerners and svidomy. I am glad they are alive.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Felix Keverich
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I must have seen 20+ threads on reddit alone in just the last 10 hours about heroic snake island.

    And it is all just a lie. As usual.

    , @Beckow
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The Snake Island fiasco was manufactured propaganda. It tells us a lot about what the West wants to see. It was a guide to "martyr" themselves for the hapless Ukrainians. With a proviso that as they are about to die, they should film it and say some quotable stuff. Cool, but then you are dead.

    This is absolutely astounding: the West starts an unnecessary fight by refusing a compromise on minor and abstract points. Then they run away before the shooting starts. But they go ape-shit about the Ukrainians who must die and also film it if possible.

    Is this in any way normal? Like a snuff movie to help West with their domestic PR. At least Swedes, Poles, Turks, Napoleon and Nazis put their skins on the line and bled, the Anglos are too precious. How evil is that?

    But the gullibility of a large portion of Ukrainians made it possible - a failed Darwin test. I hope it is true that most are simply hiding, the Snake Island survivors are an encouraging sign.

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @Thulean Friend

    Put up or get banned. You have 24 hours.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Anatoly Karlin

    I have decided to give Thulean Friend a reprieve in my unlimited mercy and compassion but he will henceforth have to comment here as Thulean Fraud.

  • @AP
    @Aedib

    The fighting stopped at dawn. It was probably small groups probing, perhaps retreating with daylight if they didn't get liquidated. Not that I haven't also believed "good" news that turned out to have been false (such as the shoot down of a Russian bomber which turned out to have been a Ukrainian fighter in reality), but AK also has a history of believing things optimistically. He had believed that Mariupol was taken in the first 2 hours (Ukrainians still control it), and that Ukraine's air defenses were all taken out in about half a day of bombing. It looks like the Ukrainian shooting down of two huge IL-76 transport planes is confirmed, so some Ukrainian air defenses are still operating (Russians may have destroyed decoys):

    https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1497440267829399553?s=20&t=tI91iWstpGEy1_dlXI5DwQ

    These planes may have carried heavy equipment or may have each carried 150 Russian paratroopers.

    This morning Zelensky is still in Kiev:

    https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1497450853380280320?s=20&t=tI91iWstpGEy1_dlXI5DwQ

    That having been said, I'm not going to predict he is wrong though I hope so. Apparently, heavily armed Russian forces (tanks and motorized rifle units) are moving their way down to Kiev and may reach the city later today, in which case the city may or may not fall.

    Crypto has been good for Ukrainians:

    https://twitter.com/SlawomirDebski/status/1497449397747130372?s=20&t=tI91iWstpGEy1_dlXI5DwQ

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Not that I haven’t also believed “good” news that turned out to have been false (such as the shoot down of a Russian bomber which turned out to have been a Ukrainian fighter in reality), but AK also has a history of believing things optimistically.

    As I recall, that was pretty much the only such example. (I ascribed some small chance that Ukrainians would surrender immediately as in 2014. To my pleasant surprise, that seemed to be unironically happening 2 hours in, whereas in reality, it was just a good Russian psyops operations. You are certainly right I should have been more skeptical).

    That said, apart from the downed Russian bomber, there were several other such cases on your part, the encirclement and destruction of the paratroopers at Gostomel. (There’s also increasing evidence the Snake Island affair was PR, and AFAIK there’s still no evidence of the 2 shot down transport planes, I suppose we’ll know sooner rather than later).

    On the broader points, I was extremely accurate. Timed the invasion to within two days (to the hour, if you count LDNR recognition/formal entry of Russian troops there as the start). The speed of the advance also currently tallying with my projections.

    [MORE]

    Certainly more so than the journalists and “experts” in “shock and disbelief”, Western Russophiles, Ukrainian activists, and so forth, as well as virtually all my seething critics on this comments thread.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    As I recall, that was pretty much the only such example.
     
    In addition to Mariupol I think you said that Ukraine's air defenses were eliminated right away (like within half a day), which was clearly wrong.

    That said, apart from the downed Russian bomber, there were several other such cases on your part, the encirclement and destruction of the paratroopers at Gostome
     
    Gostomel was retaken by the Ukrainians and then lost again IIRC.

    AFAIK there’s still no evidence of the 2 shot down transport planes,
     
    American DOD conformed it, so it's not just the Ukrainians making the claim.

    On the broader points, I was extremely accurate. Timed the invasion to within two days
     
    You were absolutely right when it came to the Russian side and predicting what it would do, one of the few who was so accurate.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Beckow

  • Looks like there’s fighting in downtown Kiev now. My prediction of Kiev liberation on Feb 26 might well come true to the day and there’s absolutely nothing any of you can do about it except cope, seethe, and dilate.

    Putin has truly immortalized his legacy, cementing his place at least at the level of Ivan III or Catherine the Great in the history books.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh, Beckow, sher singh
    • Thanks: Pharmakon
    • LOL: German_reader, Yevardian
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Anatoly Karlin

    see ya tomorrow, my prediction - street battles will still be going inside Kiev or even calm down without clear winner, but Kharkov may be taken instead after heavy previous bombardment of the defensive positions at the outskirts.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I am going to do penis yoga.

    (Actually that video is retarded marketing like MAGA. I scrolled through it. It's a plain vanilla core workout.

    glute bridge
    ass boat
    plank
    bird dog
    standing side bend
    warrior
    squat)

    He has 400 000 subscribers. How many have you got?

    Replies: @sher singh

    , @Aedib
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Is already ending? If the rumors are true, this will be the real “shock and awe”.

    Replies: @sudden death, @AP

  • @Europe Europa
    Apparently Lavrov tried to justify the invasion today by implying that if Ireland banned use of the English language the UK would invade as well.

    To me this sums up how deranged and out of touch with reality the Russian leadership is, does he honestly believe British people would give a shit what language the Irish government makes official?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Pharmakon, @LondonBob, @Coconuts

    What you wrote is almost retarded in its simplicity. How about Ireland joining an alliance with let say Iran (or Russia, China) and planning to place missiles (“defensive” no less) as close to England as possible. Then they would start calling Ulster a “terrorist separatist state” armed and supported by UK and bomb it intermittently for 8 years killing 5k civilians. The people in Ulster would shoot back – the horror!

    The Irish would also corner 40-50 English speakers in Galway and burn them to dead as Ukies did in Odessa. IRA militants would march in Dublin yelling “kill the English”. Then the Irish Premier would announce that they will go for nuclear weapons.

    How long would it take for UK to invade? Try to be honest. And all the bleating about “Ireland can’t threaten UK, they are too weak” would mean nothing. Maybe they are weak, but they are also quite stupid and that makes them dangerous. It is not only about banning a language. Think.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin, sher singh
    • Thanks: Pharmakon
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Beckow


    The Irish would also corner 40-50 English speakers in Galway and burn them to dead as Ukies did in Odessa.
     
    Based, although on any consistent linguistic logic the Irish would also need to liquidate about 98% of their own population alongside them.

    How come you are so defensive about a simple question?
     
    Perhaps your reasoning is just a product of simple idiocy and lack of real interest in Eastern Europe?
    Perhaps Dutch, Norwegian and Danish rejection (admittedly, it was hardly vituperative) of German overlordship was a product of self-hatred regarding their common Germanic roots?

    Anyway, is generally assumed utu is Czech, based on comments on past comments on books or geography. An early-industralising, Protestant country, which other than common linguistic (not genetic) descent (over 1000 years ago) shares almost nothing with Russia culturally, historically or behaviourally, other than less than a single lifetime of Communist rule.

    I do think Ukraine on the other hand is extremely similar to Russia, but that's not the point. Slavic countries as a whole don't a common identity any more than 'Romance' countries, actually, probably quite significantly less.

  • @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Ukrainians who yearn to larp as Israelis might love Israel, but the Israelis don't care so much for Ukraine.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1494986580179787778

    On a separate note, doubts forming over that Snake Island "Russian warship go fuck yourself" story:



    https://twitter.com/phl43/status/1497326008806125569

    Replies: @A123

    AK,

    This OT is becoming unstable. Would you please consider starting a new thread?

    Given current events, posting volume is likely to remain high.

    PEACE 😇

    • Disagree: Anatoly Karlin
    • LOL: sher singh
  • @silviosilver
    @utu

    I was obviously talking about worse for Europe. Even if one thinks Russia had a good moral and strategic case, their actions have still caused difficulties for Europe. So the point for Europeans to not make a bad situation even worse for themselves through rash but emotionally satisfying action. (Again, if there some reason to think there is a window of opportunity to hurt Russia by acting swiftly - heh, pardon the pun - I'd like to hear it.)

    Replies: @utu

    Again, if there some reason to think there is a window of opportunity to hurt Russia by acting swiftly – heh, pardon the pun – I’d like to hear it.

    (1) Strike while the iron is hot. So we do not get too soft and lazy and succumb down the road to pro Russian subversion like that of yours.

    (2) Cumulative effect of action will be higher if they begin sooner. For instance Karlin and other hangers on propagandists may have trouble with their bank account or bitcoin wallet already tomorrow and not two weeks later. It may somewhat cool their heads sooner. Some silovik who really matter in Kremlin decisions may have reason to pause and think if his kid is expelled from some fancy school in the West.

    (3) To demonstrate to the world an other wannabe Putins that the West is united and can act swiftly.

    And then should also begin talking about Nuremberg 2 and whether death penalty would be on the table also for Russian Julius Streichers like Karlin. But with this we do not have to hurry because we do not have custody of the perpetrators yet.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @thamesandhudson
    @utu

    If you don't mind me asking, what is your ethnicity?

    I ask because, and I don't mean any disrespect, I'm just being frank, you come across as a Pole or some other eastern European Slav who has ethnic insecurities about being a Slav in the West and thus compelled to be extra hostile to Russia.

    Replies: @AP, @utu, @Pharmakon

    , @sudden death
    @utu


    And then should also begin talking about Nuremberg 2 and whether death penalty would be on the table also for Russian Julius Streichers like Karlin. But with this we do not have to hurry because we do not have custody of the perpetrators yet.
     
    Being myself a russophobe (it's stupid for the hare to be a wolfophile) still have to admit that AK has admiredly thick skin for tolerating us here, especially now. Looking at the future, we might be even shooting at each in real world somewhere in the dirty mud while mobilized, but he just sneers, but yet still didn't ban me or you, lol. Kudos for this ;)

    Replies: @utu

  • @AP
    Exchange on Israeli news (for Dmitry) in Kiev, with a guy who just got his government-issued gun and is on his way to defend his city:

    https://twitter.com/TarasKuzio/status/1497322597926813700?s=20&t=Mm0zn02ZxKpQXMOQlCVtiA

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Ukrainians who yearn to larp as Israelis might love Israel, but the Israelis don’t care so much for Ukraine.

    On a separate note, doubts forming over that Snake Island “Russian warship go fuck yourself” story:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin

    AK,

    This OT is becoming unstable. Would you please consider starting a new thread?

    Given current events, posting volume is likely to remain high.

    PEACE 😇

  • @AP
    @Beckow

    You didn't specify. But you wrote:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-176/#comment-5192470


    Based on the simple human psychology in 2022 (not in some mythical past), fewer than 50% of the assembled Ukrainian soldiers would fight given the odds. It could actually be fewer if the thunder and noise are overwhelming. People are not suicidal. Given that the Kiev elites would be visibly trying to escape to Lviv and further west,
     
    Deserters are rare, at most 10%. Despite extremely heavy fighting. Nobody of importance has fled Kiev. Government is still all there:

    https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1497276585426178049?s=20&t=0fPxNY3rIk-W5kEU_TcF1g

    Poroshenko is in the city, in some territorial defense group:

    https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1497189957395488778?s=20&t=0fPxNY3rIk-W5kEU_TcF1g

    Beckow, an opportunistic worm, assumes that others are the same as he is.

    Replies: @Beckow

    We are 2 days into it, early. Some are fighting, others are not. My estimate of about half looking for a way out holds.

    About escaping, I specifically said: the elites. They are gone, the oligarchs are all gone except Kolomoisky, half of the members of Parliament are gone, foreign advisors are gone. Zelensky was designated as a sacrifice, surrounded by “bodyguards” assigned to him by (well, figure that out), he cannot move, he cannot negotiate, he is there to cry on TV.

    Today 7k Ukrainians crossed into Slovakia to move into tents prepared for 5k – in one day, and almost all in cars from Lviv, Kiev,… (Men 18-60 are held back, we are getting all women just as the last C19 restrictions are being lifted. This is getting interesting…).

    Kharkov is burning. Looks like it will be over in 10 days.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    They are gone, the oligarchs are all gone
     
    Poroshenko is there.

    half of the members of Parliament are gone
     
    Are they? Initially it was just 23 of them, most from Opposition Bloc.

    Today 7k Ukrainians crossed into Slovakia to move into tents prepared for 5k
     
    The ones coming to Poland are just women, kids and old people. Few men are even trying, they are staying to defend their homes.

    Men 18-60 are held back
     
    Few are being held back. Most are staying behind voluntarily. I personally know such cases. Send the wife and kids to safety and choose to stay behind. Like this guy who stayed behind before the travel ban on fighting age men:

    https://twitter.com/ObjctRelations/status/1496850824366075908?s=20&t=Mm0zn02ZxKpQXMOQlCVtiA
  • @Thorfinnsson
    @German_reader

    The Ukraine is done for, and short of an immediate mobilization of the Polish army (still too late) and European air forces anything that's done is just signaling. It should be recalled that signaling is part of what caused this mess. A few weeks ago European leaders were bleating about how it is each sovereign country's "choice" about whether or not to enter into foreign military alliances.

    The EU should instead carefully assess how its security environment has changed as a result. This will depend on the postwar settlement, but in the worst case it means that Russian human and industrial potential increase by one-quarter and that the Russian ability to project power into Central Europe and the Balkans is substantially enhanced.

    The good news is that the Russian invasion was preceded by a slow buildup of forces, which would seem at least to enhance the relative security of exposed EU states as there would at least be ample warning in the future (no guarantee of course).

    The biggest change I could see that would increase European deterrence and which could be done in a reasonable period of time is to conduct regular, large-scale army exercises over large geographic theaters like what Russia itself does. In particular this exercises should develop and credibly test the ability to move army formations on land by upwards of 500 km per day. The demonstrated ability to field a large European army in Poland within a weak would have a strong deterrent effect, and it requires a minimum of new spending.

    Longer term Europe needs to reassess its ties with the United States, its confused foreign policy(ies), and of course its energy policy. If there's a specific goal of weakening Russian power than relatively open migration policy to skilled, young Russians would be highly detrimental to the Russian Federation and politically painful to counter.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LondonBob, @Anatoly Karlin, @iffen

    If there’s a specific goal of weakening Russian power than relatively open migration policy to skilled, young Russians would be highly detrimental to the Russian Federation and politically painful to counter.

    Bullish for Russia. Those are precisely the people Europeans want to hurt most:

    • Agree: Thorfinnsson
  • @silviosilver
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Aren't you being a bit defensive? That quote from Ron looks kinda damning - assuming it's not taken out of context (cbf checking) - so are you going to threaten him with a ban too?

    Anyway, TF can be rather trollish, especially when responding to you, so I don't think your reputation among readers here as a generally sound analyst is under any real threat by his comments.

    As far as accuracy of predictions goes, who cares? If one were to treat your "percentages" quantitatively, every one of them could fail to materialize and yet they would not necessarily be "wrong," just as rolling a 5 would not disprove the statement that there is 67% chance of rolling a 1, 2, 3 or 4. Imo, precisely such randomness factors attach to human affairs, all the way down to the assessment of which antecedents are even present.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Ron only demonstrated he apparently didn’t read past the title and first paragraph, which is fine. Apparently a problem you have as well.

    Thulean Friend has made what I demonstrated to be specifically false claims and pointedly refused to engage with them, preferring instead to “subtweet” me by Agreeing with Ron.

  • @Thulean Friend
    @Ron Unz


    Well, Anatoly, the title of your column was “Regathering of the Russian Lands” with the subtitle “The Empire, Long Divided, Must Unite,” and your first sentence included the phrase “a speed run towards Russian Empire 2.0.”
     
    He's doing damage control, already began on Twitter and trying to continue it here. Karlin doesn't like to admit when he got something wrong, so he changes his predictions after the fact and then pretends nothing changed. When it gets pointed out, he gets amusingly angry.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Put up or get banned. You have 24 hours.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Aren't you being a bit defensive? That quote from Ron looks kinda damning - assuming it's not taken out of context (cbf checking) - so are you going to threaten him with a ban too?

    Anyway, TF can be rather trollish, especially when responding to you, so I don't think your reputation among readers here as a generally sound analyst is under any real threat by his comments.

    As far as accuracy of predictions goes, who cares? If one were to treat your "percentages" quantitatively, every one of them could fail to materialize and yet they would not necessarily be "wrong," just as rolling a 5 would not disprove the statement that there is 67% chance of rolling a 1, 2, 3 or 4. Imo, precisely such randomness factors attach to human affairs, all the way down to the assessment of which antecedents are even present.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I have decided to give Thulean Friend a reprieve in my unlimited mercy and compassion but he will henceforth have to comment here as Thulean Fraud.

  • @Ron Unz
    @Anatoly Karlin



    Also, Karlin’s main argument had been that Putin’s goal was to conquer Ukraine and “reintegrate” it into Russia...
     
    No, my main argument was that the Russians would attack Ukraine including the capture of Kiev and quite soon.
     
    Well, Anatoly, the title of your column was "Regathering of the Russian Lands" with the subtitle "The Empire, Long Divided, Must Unite," and your first sentence included the phrase "a speed run towards Russian Empire 2.0." Given all of that, I think it was reasonable for me to consider the "reintegration" of Ukraine as one of your main themes.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Well, Anatoly, the title of your column was “Regathering of the Russian Lands” with the subtitle “The Empire, Long Divided, Must Unite,” and your first sentence included the phrase “a speed run towards Russian Empire 2.0.”

    He’s doing damage control, already began on Twitter and trying to continue it here. Karlin doesn’t like to admit when he got something wrong, so he changes his predictions after the fact and then pretends nothing changed. When it gets pointed out, he gets amusingly angry.

    • Troll: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Thulean Friend

    Put up or get banned. You have 24 hours.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Anatoly Karlin

  • @Mr. Hack
    @Thorfinnsson

    Day 1 casualties:

    Ukrainian: 137 mixed military and civilian

    Russian: 800 military

    But who's counting?

    BTW, I've read somewhere that it was going to be a cakewalk for Russia. These can't be numbers that brings the kremlins any joy. Less joy for all 937 families. Lots and lots of demonstrations by Russians against the war in scores of Russian cities met with quick reprisals by the loyal Putlerite police. One can only imagine how folks will react if these sorts of numbers continue....

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @iffen

    You’re a moron, but we knew that already.

    • Agree: Seraphim
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Oh my, am I really?....

  • While we’re on the topic of predictive accuracy, I will note that there was no false flag terrorist attack as called for by unboxing video aficionado Dmitry.

    Perhaps it is appropriate to treat his various other claims about Russian realities with the requisite amount of skepticism.

    • LOL: German_reader
  • @Ron Unz
    @utu


    This comment by Ron Unz on Karlin article should be framed to remind everybody how poor his judgment is, how easily it is clouded by his preconceptions and wishful thinking...I wrote “This might be a good sign” expressing hope against hope which is what any decent person would feel confronted with looming war while Unz was shilling for Putin repeating Russia Today and Zacharova’s talking points
     
    Sure, some of that is valid criticism.

    But in my defense, I should emphasize that unlike most of the people on this thread, I hadn't really been paying any attention to the issue. Aside from looking at my morning newspapers, I doubt I was spending even 5% of my time on the matter, and I certainly wasn't watching RT or repeating its arguments. Indeed, with the exception of the one or two comments on this blog, I don't think I'd said a word about the situation in any website comment.

    Moreover, many perhaps most of the Karlin commenters, who had been following the situation far more closely, seemed to agree with me, so my opinion wasn't so totally ridiculous.

    Meanwhile, most of the MSM people yelling about a looming Russian invasion had been the same people who'd previously spent years peddling the Russiagate nonsense, while the more sensible observers I checked with were very skeptical of any large invasion. So after various supposed D-Days came and went, I wrongly concluded it was all just more American propaganda.

    Also, Karlin's main argument had been that Putin's goal was to conquer Ukraine and "reintegrate" it into Russia, and that's part of what I described as "total lunacy." But at this point, it's still not at all clear that will actually happen. My impression is the Russians have mostly been using their stand-off weapons to destroy Ukraine's military capabilities, which is something quite different.

    One very applicable lesson is the danger of Crying Wolf once too often. Another lesson, emphasized by Diana Johnstone's excellent column this morning on the dangers of the last seven or eight years of "Bear Baiting"...

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @silviosilver

    Also, Karlin’s main argument had been that Putin’s goal was to conquer Ukraine and “reintegrate” it into Russia, and that’s part of what I described as “total lunacy.” But at this point, it’s still not at all clear that will actually happen. My impression is the Russians have mostly been using their stand-off weapons to destroy Ukraine’s military capabilities, which is something quite different.

    No, my main argument was that the Russians would attack Ukraine including the capture of Kiev and quite soon.

    Wide-ranging annexations is something I am convinced will happen (possibly not directly but through various convoluted operations, though perhaps not, relations with the West are dead for a decade either way so there’s no particular to even respect appearances).

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Anatoly Karlin



    Also, Karlin’s main argument had been that Putin’s goal was to conquer Ukraine and “reintegrate” it into Russia...
     
    No, my main argument was that the Russians would attack Ukraine including the capture of Kiev and quite soon.
     
    Well, Anatoly, the title of your column was "Regathering of the Russian Lands" with the subtitle "The Empire, Long Divided, Must Unite," and your first sentence included the phrase "a speed run towards Russian Empire 2.0." Given all of that, I think it was reasonable for me to consider the "reintegration" of Ukraine as one of your main themes.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend