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    My Romania post will hopefully be up in a few days. In the meantime, I'll share my impressions of the Sukhoi Superjet 100, which I flew for the first time on the way back from Bucharest. Overall impressions: Meh. As densely packed as any Airbus, and way more vibrations and creaking sounds than the average...
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    a good example of how AP keep making excuses for the Ukraine


    AP probably expects Jesus to swoop down and heal the tanks.

    Says the guy who rejects empirically demonstrated facts (Christians basically ended global slavery) because they don’t conform to his irrational beliefs.

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    I don’t think so. If I read iffen correctly, he stated that Christians get lion’s share credit for ending slavery, but not Christianity itself.

    Iffen can correct me if I’m wrong.

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    @Felix Keverich
    Karlin's post was linking to your original "explanation" of the Ukraine's failure, and it was full of bullshit excuses.

    I do not have time to keep up with your evolving excuses, and, since neither of us is an expert in tank warfare, technical details are not the point. What is instructive is your instinct to rush to the Ukraine's defence, writing silly crap such as this:

    Ukrainian tanks have lower height than Abrams, so in one important exercise (defense) they lost all points, because their tanks can’t be used as a height for observing surroundings
     
    LOL

    “Bullshit” is making stuff up that isn’t true.

    Like when you claimed Kharkiv-based Azov were western Ukrainians. Or Ukrainians in diaspora have been “mediocre” in income (they have among the highest family incomes of white ethnic groups). These claims of yours were simply false.

    As for:

    “Ukrainian tanks have lower height than Abrams, so in one important exercise (defense) they lost all points, because their tanks can’t be used as a height for observing surroundings”

    This wasn’t my claim originally. I posted to the original claim. And this “excuse” is corroborated elsewhere.

    Another commenter, who is hardly pro-Ukrainian, provided:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-45/#comment-2370507

    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305&page=2#entry1372477

    Poor performance of pro-Ukrainian team partly explained by T-84 fire control system failure during first day (“assault”). Defense day video – From about 2:00 tanker complain about dugouts too deep (as designed for Abrams) and T-84 was unable to see targets from it – so they were firing from open positions

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    So take your problems up with them, you proven liar.

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  • @Greasy William
    I've looked it up and apparently what happened is that the little guy started the fight with the big guy. The big guy was a weight lifting champion but by all accounts a bit of a gentle giant so the little guy, who is a professional MMA fighter, kept goading him until the big guy finally agreed to fight.

    The big guy died from his injuries and the little guy is still at large. The little guys older brother is currently serving a 4 year prison sentence for doing basically the same thing: he goaded an unaware bigger guy into a street fight and then killed him.

    So the dead big guys are Russians and the little guys who killed them as Caucasians and the latter either have not been punished or been given light sentences. This in the Russian country.

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    Anybody who has ever boxed or wrestled would agree that American whites and American blacks are about the same in strength, with whites probably being a little stronger.

    Some Russian friends from university got into a brawl at a bar with some blacks. They said they were shocked at how the more muscular-looking black guys seemed a lot weaker than themselves.

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  • My Romania post will hopefully be up in a few days. In the meantime, I'll share my impressions of the Sukhoi Superjet 100, which I flew for the first time on the way back from Bucharest. Overall impressions: Meh. As densely packed as any Airbus, and way more vibrations and creaking sounds than the average...
  • AP says:
    @Felix Keverich

    * Ukraine comes dead last out of eight in Strong Europe Tank Challenge 2018 (an explanation from AP). Germany wins as usual.
     
    I think this is a good example of how AP keep making excuses for the Ukraine, and is therefore full is shit.

    Ukrainian officer, who participated in the competition was more honest:

    Участник команды из 14-й волынской механизированной бригады ВСУ капитан Роман Багаев рассказал, почему украинские танкисты заняли последнее место в танковом соревновании Strong Europe Tank Challenge в Германии.

    В беседе с изданием «Новинарня» военный раскритиковал техническое состояние новейшего украинского танка Т-84 «Оплот», который ВСУ получили вместо Т-64.

    «А ничего не удалось сделать. Мы поехали на четырёх машинах. Во время «операции в наступлении» выстрелил только один танк. На остальных трёх снаряд или не до конца загрузился в пушку, либо не сработали датчики. Система показала, что танк не до конца зарядился, поэтому пушка с гидростопора не снялась, пришлось дозаряжать вручную», — сказал Багаев.

    Среди других причин поражения он назвал незнание натовской специфики, языковые проблемы и отставание в тактике.
     

    https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/523662-ukraina-proval-tanki-germaniya

    If you don't understand Russian, basically he says that 3 out of 4 Oplot tanks malfunctioned and failed to fire. The Ukraine built a tank, which doesn't work.

    I think this is a good example of how AP keep making excuses for the Ukraine

    Already mentioned:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-45/#comment-2370507

    I posted that the tanks didn’t shoot in the first section:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-45/#comment-2370547

    Those two problems were worth about 150 lost points, which would place Ukraine where it was last year – about the same as Poland (a little worse this year, while it actually beat Poland last year). Ukraine would have been ahead of the UK and the US.

    There’s a photo of results for the first 2 of 13 parts (the ones where Ukraine was affected by technical problems and too-deep dugout, respectively) here:

    https://aw.my.com/en/forum/showthread.php?199458-Strong-Europe-Tank-Challenge-2018

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-45/#comment-2370831

    “You are correct, it is indeed scandalous that the soldiers were given tanks that couldn’t shoot at at the beginning, costing a lot of points. The Ukrainian soldiers were really outraged by that. It doesn’t reflect badly on the troops, at least.

    But the bottom line, if not for those two problems it looks like Ukrainians would have outperformed the Brits and the Americans, and come close to the Poles whom they beat last year when they didn’t have that problem.”

    ::::::::::::::

    Explanations aren’t excuses.

    And you, of course, simply lie about Ukraine.

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    Karlin's post was linking to your original "explanation" of the Ukraine's failure, and it was full of bullshit excuses.

    I do not have time to keep up with your evolving excuses, and, since neither of us is an expert in tank warfare, technical details are not the point. What is instructive is your instinct to rush to the Ukraine's defence, writing silly crap such as this:

    Ukrainian tanks have lower height than Abrams, so in one important exercise (defense) they lost all points, because their tanks can’t be used as a height for observing surroundings
     
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  • utu says:
    @AP

    Well, I think there is a kind of barbarism of reason
     
    There is a charming chapter in Musil's book about this -

    Science smiling into its beard, or first full-dress encounter with Evil

    A few words must now be said about a smile, a masculine smile at that, with a beard attached to it, whereby the general activity of smiling in one’s sleeve was transposed into the masculine one of smiling into one’s beard. It was the smiling of the men of science and learning who had accepted Diotima’s invitation and were listening to the celebrated men of the arts. Although they smiled, it must on no account whatever be believed that they did so ironically. On the contrary, it was their way of expressing homage and incompetence, a matter that has already been mentioned. But one must not let oneself be deceived by that either. It was true enough where their conscious mind was concerned; yet in their subconscious—to make use of this customary word—or, to put it more exactly, in the sum total of their being, they were people in whom a propensity to Evil crackled like the fire under a cauldron.

    Now that, of course, looks like a paradoxical remark, and any professor at a university, if it were made in his presence, would presumably retort that he simply serves the cause of truth and progress and has no other concerns: for that is his professional ideology. But all professional ideologies are high-minded. Hunters, for instance, would not dream of calling themselves the butchers of the woods; they prefer to call themselves the real friends of animals and Nature, just as business men uphold the principle of fair profit, and the god that thieves also take for their own is the business men’s god, that distinguished promotor of international concord, Mercury. So not much importance need be attached to the way an activity is mirrored in the consciousness of those who practise it.

    If one asks oneself in an unprejudiced way how science came to have its present-day aspect (which is in itself important, since after all it dominates us, not even an illiterate being safe from it, because he learns to live together with countless things that are born of science) one gets a quite different picture. According to credible traditions it was in the sixteenth century, an age of very intense spiritual emotions, that people gradually ceased trying, as they had been trying all through two thousand years of religious and philosophic speculation, to penetrate into the secrets of Nature, and instead contented themselves, in a way that can only be called superficial, with investigations of its surface. The great Galileo, who is always the first to be mentioned in this connection, did away with the problem, for instance, of the intrinsic reasons why Nature abhors a vacuum, so that it will cause a falling body to enter into and occupy space after space until it finally comes to rest on solid ground, and contented himself with a much more general observation: he simply established the speed at which such a body falls, what course it takes, what time it takes, and what its rate of acceleration is. The Catholic Church made a grave mistake in threatening this man with death and forcing him to recant, instead of exterminating him without more ado. For from his way of looking at things, and that of those whose outlook was similar, there sprang—in almost no time at all, if one applies historical measurements—railway time-tables, factory machines, physiological psychology, and the moral ruin of the present age, against which the Church no longer stands a chance. It probably made this mistake from an excess of shrewdness, for Galileo was, after all, not only the discoverer of the law of gravitation and of the earth’s motion, but also an inventor in whom, as one would put it today, high finance took an interest; and he was, besides, not the only one at that time seized by the new spirit. On the contrary, the historical reports show that the matter-offactness that inspired him spread and raged like an infection. And however disconcerting it may sound today to speak of anyone’s being inspired with matter-of-factness, when we think we have too much of it already, at that time the awakening out of metaphysics to clear-cut scrutiny of things must, to judge by all the evidence, have been an out-and-out intoxication, a very fire of matter-of-factness!

    But if one asks oneself why humanity took it into its head to change in this manner, the answer is that all it was doing was what every sensible child does when it has tried to walk too soon: it sat down on the ground, making the contact with a dependable and not really dignified part of the body, in other words, precisely the part on which one does sit. And the remarkable thing is that the earth has shown itself uncommonly susceptible, and since that contact took place has let inventions, conveniences and discoveries be wormed out of it in downright miraculous quantities.

    After such a history one might think, and not quite without justification, it was the miracle of the Anti-Christ that we find ourselves in the midst of now. For the ‘contact’ simile that has just been used is to be interpreted with reference not only to the dependability of the part of the body that is involved, but also to its aspect of the unseemly and taboo. The point is, before intellectual man discovered his delight in facts, the only people who had such a delight were warriors, hunters and merchants, that is to say, the people whose nature it was to be cunning and violent. In the struggle for existence there are no philosophical sentimentalities, but only the wish to kill off one’s opponent by the shortest and most practical method. There everyone is a positivist. Nor would it be a virtue, in commerce, to let oneself be taken in instead of putting one’s trust in solid facts, profit being in the last resort a psychological vanquishing of one’s opponent, arising out of the particular circumstances. However, if one investigates what qualities it is that lead to discoveries, what one finds is freedom from traditional scruples and inhibitions, courage, as much initiative as destructive spirit, the exclusion of moral considerations, patient bargaining for the smallest advantage, dogged endurance on the way to the goal, if necessary, and a veneration for measure and number amounting to the most acute mistrust of all uncertainty; in other words, one sees nothing but the old hunter’s, soldier’s and merchant’s vices, simply transposed into intellectual terms and re-interpreted as virtues. And though by this means they are raised above the urge for personal and comparatively vulgar advantage, yet the element of primal Evil, as it might be called, is something they do not lose even in undergoing this trans formation. It is apparently indestructible and eternal, or at least as eternal as everything humanly sublime, since it consists in nothing less, nothing other, than the pleasure of tripping that sublimity up and watching it fall flat on its face. Who does not know the malicious temptation—when contemplating a beautifully glazed vase, all voluptuous curves— that lies in the thought that one could smash it to smithereens with a single blow of one’s stick? Intensified into the heroically bitter realisation that one cannot rely on anything in life except what is clinched and riveted, it is a basic emotion enclosed within the soberness of science, and even if, for reasons of respect, one does not want to call it the Devil, the fact remains that it brings with it a faint whiff of brimstone.

    Well, I think there is a kind of barbarism of reason

    This and Musil made me think of Paul Feyerabend and what he said about physicists of Feynman’s generation:

    The withdrawal of philosophy into a “professional” shell of its own has had disastrous consequences. The younger generation of physicists, the Feynmans, the Schwingers, etc., may be very bright; they may be more intelligent than their predecessors, than Bohr, Einstein, Schrodinger, Boltzmann, Mach and so on. But they are uncivilized savages, they lack in philosophical depth — and this is the fault of the very same idea of professionalism which you are now defending.

    The hidden dichotomy here is between the continental Europe on one side and British empiricism and American pragmatism on the other side. Musil to make his point went all the way back to Galileo and emphasized the triumph of empiricism and its negative cost. Then there is another dividing lines of pre and post classic education and Greek and Latin in schools we were talking about before. Bohr, Einstein, Schrodinger, Boltzmann, Mach went to schools in a different era than ‘the Feynmans [and] the Schwingers.’ And it showed.

    Ernst Mach was the last great philosopher-physicist. Robert Musil was writing his Ph.D on Ernst Mach. Not sure if he finished.

    Mach, Musil and Feyerabend were all Austrians.

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  • AP says:
    @ussr andy

    Well, I think there is a kind of barbarism of reason – Leopardi invented the term.
     

    With astonishing prescience, he diagnosed the sickness of our time: a dangerous intoxication with the knowledge and power given by science, mixed with an inability to accept the humanly meaningless world that science has revealed. Faced with emptiness, modern humanity has taken refuge in schemes of world improvement, which all too often – as in the savage revolutions of the 20th century and the no less savage humanitarian warfare of the 21st – involve mass slaughter. The irrationalities of earlier times have been replaced by what Leopardi calls “the barbarism of reason”. -- www.newstatesman.com/books/2013/09/barbarism-reason
     

    YAWN.

    Obviously too much ignorance and irrationality is barbaric, but too much reason is also barbaric.
     
    hardcore trad Catholic Michael E Jones and every Muslim cleric appeals to "reason." Are they barbaric?

    there can't be too much reason. you can misapply reason (for example, I've a suspicion that all of the POZ that has been foisted on society wouldn't have worked if they didn't systematically deconstruct, censor and mock people's moral intuitions. Xtians and other religionists intuitively understand this, but lack the vocabulary to express it in a way that doesn't scare away people.)

    all of the utopianist schemes are not due to reason but - wait for it - utopianism. In the past, they used religion for that. What's the difference between "we must free the proletariat and spark a world socialist revolution" and "god wills it"? At least you can debate Marxism. Many people did, found it wanting and their countries didn't get it.

    They will use anything to justify their schemes,gods, no gods, science, reason, etc. That's not a problem with"too much reason."

    BTW, the reason trad religions look so unbearably larpy (like a CPGB rally) is because it's reason, but from an earlier time with different standards of intellectual rigor and different social engineering objectives (consolidation of tribes into feudal statelets etc.) Powerful using the intellectual toolkit of the time for their ends.


    I advocate a “multi-layered” approach to life – logic has its place but so do our other faculties.
     
    dude, when you say "crush the loathsome thing" (meaning the Enlightenment), that's not multi-layered, that's all-out obscurantist and a call to return to "g'd wants a bigger goat!!!1"-type mysticism and feudal conditions (most of) humanity has luckily grown out of.

    You, who advocate ceaseless questioning of everything, are a mere barbarian.
     
    Let me quote what I said:

    the solution is keeping sh**y, manufactured science (...) from informing public policy and also recognizing what things we simply don’t yet have good scientific theories about.
     

    Well, I think there is a kind of barbarism of reason

    There is a charming chapter in Musil’s book about this –

    Science smiling into its beard, or first full-dress encounter with Evil

    A few words must now be said about a smile, a masculine smile at that, with a beard attached to it, whereby the general activity of smiling in one’s sleeve was transposed into the masculine one of smiling into one’s beard. It was the smiling of the men of science and learning who had accepted Diotima’s invitation and were listening to the celebrated men of the arts. Although they smiled, it must on no account whatever be believed that they did so ironically. On the contrary, it was their way of expressing homage and incompetence, a matter that has already been mentioned. But one must not let oneself be deceived by that either. It was true enough where their conscious mind was concerned; yet in their subconscious—to make use of this customary word—or, to put it more exactly, in the sum total of their being, they were people in whom a propensity to Evil crackled like the fire under a cauldron.

    Now that, of course, looks like a paradoxical remark, and any professor at a university, if it were made in his presence, would presumably retort that he simply serves the cause of truth and progress and has no other concerns: for that is his professional ideology. But all professional ideologies are high-minded. Hunters, for instance, would not dream of calling themselves the butchers of the woods; they prefer to call themselves the real friends of animals and Nature, just as business men uphold the principle of fair profit, and the god that thieves also take for their own is the business men’s god, that distinguished promotor of international concord, Mercury. So not much importance need be attached to the way an activity is mirrored in the consciousness of those who practise it.

    If one asks oneself in an unprejudiced way how science came to have its present-day aspect (which is in itself important, since after all it dominates us, not even an illiterate being safe from it, because he learns to live together with countless things that are born of science) one gets a quite different picture. According to credible traditions it was in the sixteenth century, an age of very intense spiritual emotions, that people gradually ceased trying, as they had been trying all through two thousand years of religious and philosophic speculation, to penetrate into the secrets of Nature, and instead contented themselves, in a way that can only be called superficial, with investigations of its surface. The great Galileo, who is always the first to be mentioned in this connection, did away with the problem, for instance, of the intrinsic reasons why Nature abhors a vacuum, so that it will cause a falling body to enter into and occupy space after space until it finally comes to rest on solid ground, and contented himself with a much more general observation: he simply established the speed at which such a body falls, what course it takes, what time it takes, and what its rate of acceleration is. The Catholic Church made a grave mistake in threatening this man with death and forcing him to recant, instead of exterminating him without more ado. For from his way of looking at things, and that of those whose outlook was similar, there sprang—in almost no time at all, if one applies historical measurements—railway time-tables, factory machines, physiological psychology, and the moral ruin of the present age, against which the Church no longer stands a chance. It probably made this mistake from an excess of shrewdness, for Galileo was, after all, not only the discoverer of the law of gravitation and of the earth’s motion, but also an inventor in whom, as one would put it today, high finance took an interest; and he was, besides, not the only one at that time seized by the new spirit. On the contrary, the historical reports show that the matter-offactness that inspired him spread and raged like an infection. And however disconcerting it may sound today to speak of anyone’s being inspired with matter-of-factness, when we think we have too much of it already, at that time the awakening out of metaphysics to clear-cut scrutiny of things must, to judge by all the evidence, have been an out-and-out intoxication, a very fire of matter-of-factness!

    But if one asks oneself why humanity took it into its head to change in this manner, the answer is that all it was doing was what every sensible child does when it has tried to walk too soon: it sat down on the ground, making the contact with a dependable and not really dignified part of the body, in other words, precisely the part on which one does sit. And the remarkable thing is that the earth has shown itself uncommonly susceptible, and since that contact took place has let inventions, conveniences and discoveries be wormed out of it in downright miraculous quantities.

    After such a history one might think, and not quite without justification, it was the miracle of the Anti-Christ that we find ourselves in the midst of now. For the ‘contact’ simile that has just been used is to be interpreted with reference not only to the dependability of the part of the body that is involved, but also to its aspect of the unseemly and taboo. The point is, before intellectual man discovered his delight in facts, the only people who had such a delight were warriors, hunters and merchants, that is to say, the people whose nature it was to be cunning and violent. In the struggle for existence there are no philosophical sentimentalities, but only the wish to kill off one’s opponent by the shortest and most practical method. There everyone is a positivist. Nor would it be a virtue, in commerce, to let oneself be taken in instead of putting one’s trust in solid facts, profit being in the last resort a psychological vanquishing of one’s opponent, arising out of the particular circumstances. However, if one investigates what qualities it is that lead to discoveries, what one finds is freedom from traditional scruples and inhibitions, courage, as much initiative as destructive spirit, the exclusion of moral considerations, patient bargaining for the smallest advantage, dogged endurance on the way to the goal, if necessary, and a veneration for measure and number amounting to the most acute mistrust of all uncertainty; in other words, one sees nothing but the old hunter’s, soldier’s and merchant’s vices, simply transposed into intellectual terms and re-interpreted as virtues. And though by this means they are raised above the urge for personal and comparatively vulgar advantage, yet the element of primal Evil, as it might be called, is something they do not lose even in undergoing this trans formation. It is apparently indestructible and eternal, or at least as eternal as everything humanly sublime, since it consists in nothing less, nothing other, than the pleasure of tripping that sublimity up and watching it fall flat on its face. Who does not know the malicious temptation—when contemplating a beautifully glazed vase, all voluptuous curves— that lies in the thought that one could smash it to smithereens with a single blow of one’s stick? Intensified into the heroically bitter realisation that one cannot rely on anything in life except what is clinched and riveted, it is a basic emotion enclosed within the soberness of science, and even if, for reasons of respect, one does not want to call it the Devil, the fact remains that it brings with it a faint whiff of brimstone.

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    I have to read Musil.
    , @utu
    Thanks for bringing him up. When I discovered him many years ago I was fascinated with his book but now after reading this passage I just thought: OK, Musil I know what you are trying to say but does it have to be that long? Or is that long because if what you are trying to say was distilled to its essence it would be trite or possibly not true for everybody to see?
    , @utu

    Well, I think there is a kind of barbarism of reason
     
    This and Musil made me think of Paul Feyerabend and what he said about physicists of Feynman's generation:

    The withdrawal of philosophy into a "professional" shell of its own has had disastrous consequences. The younger generation of physicists, the Feynmans, the Schwingers, etc., may be very bright; they may be more intelligent than their predecessors, than Bohr, Einstein, Schrodinger, Boltzmann, Mach and so on. But they are uncivilized savages, they lack in philosophical depth -- and this is the fault of the very same idea of professionalism which you are now defending.
     
    The hidden dichotomy here is between the continental Europe on one side and British empiricism and American pragmatism on the other side. Musil to make his point went all the way back to Galileo and emphasized the triumph of empiricism and its negative cost. Then there is another dividing lines of pre and post classic education and Greek and Latin in schools we were talking about before. Bohr, Einstein, Schrodinger, Boltzmann, Mach went to schools in a different era than 'the Feynmans [and] the Schwingers.' And it showed.

    Ernst Mach was the last great philosopher-physicist. Robert Musil was writing his Ph.D on Ernst Mach. Not sure if he finished.

    Mach, Musil and Feyerabend were all Austrians.

    , @ussr andy
    This is witty and all but pretty dildo as far as philosophy and anti-science sentiment goes. Also I sense class hang-ups and bitterness for the "Austria that we lost" (when was this written?) and physics envy. Anyway, there's better philosophy in NRx. Or CS Lewis in The Abolition of Man. Or the SETI people. Am I barbarian? No, the harpies who scream "dead white may-uhls!!!" are barbarians, I just DGAF and in any case my own capacity to visit barbarism on Western civ. is limited. And also the aesthetics of the Dual monarchy were top-notch, if they had programmable electronic computers I'd regard it for all purposes as peak civilization.
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  • @ussr andy
    Anna German is claimed by some Volga Germans (in Germany) as their and they get very triggered when she's identified as Polish.

    You forgot Barbara Brylska from the cult comedy film Irony of Fate.

    You forgot Barbara Brylska from the cult comedy film Irony of Fate

    That wasn’t a cult film it was very popular and a holiday classic, like It’s a Wonderful Life, or Miracle on 34th Street in the USA.

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    okay. I forgot for a moment "cult film" had a precise definition.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_film

    One that is fit by MLP (unintentionally, to the mild disapproval of the producer) and Green Elephant alike, btw.

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  • AP says:
    @Anon 2
    That's what I suspected - unlike in Berlin, there are very few Poles living
    currently in Moscow. Karlin just dismissed my comment which confirms
    my suspicions that being a newcomer (and v. young) his knowledge of Moscow has a lot
    of holes. For example, I occasionally have read about Polish actors and actresses
    participating in the Russian/Soviet show business. Not a lot but it happens.

    Two examples: Edita Piekha (1937- ), raised in Poland as Edyta Piecha. In 1955 she
    went to study in Russia, which was not uncommon in those days, and remained in Russia
    becoming a well-known singer. Anna German (1936-82) was a famous Polish
    singer who was extremely popular in the 1960s-'70s throughout the Eastern Bloc,
    including the Soviet Union.

    When I was in Moscow this April there was a show on the culture channel about Polish actresses famous in Russia (such as the star of Irony of Fate, the cherished New Years movie). The actresses were of course saying pretty much only nice things about Russia and Russians. Apparently some of their careers suffered in Poland, as “revenge” for becoming popular in Russia.

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    There was also a Polish actor playing a foreign spy in a Russian
    TV series recently but his name escapes me.

    Back to the Polish fellow married to a Russian woman. He worked
    in Norway for several years but was utterly bored there. He said,
    "Nothing ever happens in Norway. The beauty of the fjords gets
    old after a while." (Parenthetically, I have a sneaking suspicion
    that one reason the Swedes brought in a lot of migrants is to make
    their lives more interesting. Sweden is cold, dark, and boring much of the year
    so at least now they have some excitement!). This is an argument against
    SJW's who presumably want to create a perfect society. As Pascal already
    warned us, perfect societies are boring, and boredom is a vastly underappreciated
    motivator. I think one reason for the exploration of space is that we've become
    bored with the Earth. One solution: Explore the inner space - there's an infinity
    of expanded states of consciousness to investigate. You'll never be bored.

    What he loves about Moscow is that he is never bored. It's a very interesting
    city (although a little too cold for his (and his wife's) taste. His wife's family
    have a dacha so they can escape the city whenever they feel like it. One thing
    he warns against is buying a snack from a street vendor. The hygiene standards
    are still not up to par so one has to exercise judgment in such matters.
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  • My Romania post will hopefully be up in a few days. In the meantime, I'll share my impressions of the Sukhoi Superjet 100, which I flew for the first time on the way back from Bucharest. Overall impressions: Meh. As densely packed as any Airbus, and way more vibrations and creaking sounds than the average...
  • AP says:
    @German_reader

    And abstract intellectual topics like religion and ideology tend to attract nerds and autists who will belabor points in great detail.
     
    Those great christological controversies in late antiquity seem to have been a big deal though for the masses as well, not just for a few unusual enthusiasts like the people on this blog.
    I've always wondered how that worked, did the average man on the street in Antiochia or Alexandria, or somewhere in the countryside in Syria really think in detail about those different conceptions of Christ, with their minute differences (at least they seem like that to me), and their theological implications? Or was it merely a vehicle for tribalism based on issues of class or ethnicity to assert itself, as many moderns would suspect?
    Regarding Remove Kebab: One doesn't even have to be especially right-wing or nationalistic for that. In a few years it might be just common sense.

    I’ve always wondered how that worked, did the average man on the street in Antiochia or Alexandria, or somewhere in the countryside in Syria really think in detail about those different conceptions of Christ, with their minute differences (at least they seem like that to me), and their theological implications?

    Well,, in America there are passionate Democrats and Republicans who argue and sometimes even fight. To someone completely alien to this culture such as an Amazonian tribesman or ancient Egyptian it would also seem bizarre to argue over such (relative to oneself) slight and obscure differences.

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    There were religious divisions though (possibly related to ethno-linguistic ones), with all those Eastern churches of people who spoke Aramaic, Coptic etc. in conflict with the imperial (Melkite) church of Greek-speakers. I always forget the details since as a non-believer it baffles me people could get worked up over those obscure Christological issues.

    Sure, but the bottom line is that they were all Christians before the Muslim conquest.

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    Yes, but it was originally about Taleb, who as a Greek Orthodox (if that's what he is) would prsumably be descended from Greek-speaking city dwellers. I think that's what reiner tor meant.
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  • Untold billions of dollars spent on new football stadiums. Lavish spending on football players. The hiring of some of Europe's most expensive and prestigious coaches. Results? Russia is 45th in the football Elo rankings Russia is 70th in the FIFA rankings The Russian team has never been weaker in its entire history. My guess is...
  • AP says:
    @Anon 2
    There is a young Polish fellow who is married to a beautiful Russian
    woman. They met, of all places, in Brazil, and based on their PDAs,
    seem very much in love. They are currently residing in Moscow but
    he sent her far away for the duration of the World Cup, presumably
    for the sake of her safety. Is this happening a lot right now in Russia?

    There are at present 10-15,000 Russians in Poland. This number probably
    does not include the guest workers (I recall how in the mid-'90s when over
    100,000 Soviet troops, stationed in western Poland, were finally being
    sent back to Russia and Ukraine, they were extremely reluctant to
    leave Poland, and behaved like they were being sent back to Mordor). Those
    Russians who move to Poland are usually pleasantly surprised because
    in Russia people tell them they hate us over there, whereas they experience
    no such thing in Poland. My sources tell me that it is the Russian Jews who
    are very prominent on TV in Moscow who, due to their anti-Polish bigotry,
    try to sow dissension between the two Slavic nations. Does anybody know
    how large is the Polish community in Moscow? I know of a number of
    Polish actors and actresses in Russian TV shows and movies, but that's about it.

    Does anybody know how large is the Polish community in Moscow?

    My wife’s mother is one, though she was deported to the middle of Eurasia as a kid and speaks Polish poorly. Other than occasionally going to a Roman Catholic church, she almost never sees Poles and doesn’t socialize with them. She even supports Russia in any Poland-Russia conflicts, despite her solid Roman Catholicism and dislike of the Orthodox Church.

    My impression, admittedly based on limited data, is that there is no organized sort of Polish “community.”

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    That's what I suspected - unlike in Berlin, there are very few Poles living
    currently in Moscow. Karlin just dismissed my comment which confirms
    my suspicions that being a newcomer (and v. young) his knowledge of Moscow has a lot
    of holes. For example, I occasionally have read about Polish actors and actresses
    participating in the Russian/Soviet show business. Not a lot but it happens.

    Two examples: Edita Piekha (1937- ), raised in Poland as Edyta Piecha. In 1955 she
    went to study in Russia, which was not uncommon in those days, and remained in Russia
    becoming a well-known singer. Anna German (1936-82) was a famous Polish
    singer who was extremely popular in the 1960s-'70s throughout the Eastern Bloc,
    including the Soviet Union.
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  • @Bliss

    I have the strong impression that at least in Germany having a half-westafrican child makes people rather look UP to you.
     
    That actually makes sense if you think about it. Just look at the greatest “Germans”, whose names will never be forgotten: Beethoven, Einstein, Marx. What did they have in common? They were all part african:

    https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lypdk5KnkH1qglqe6.jpg

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/05/03/16/4BCD9CDB00000578-5687445-A_16_year_old_Albert_Einstein_in_1895-a-64_1525359896736.jpg

    https://i1.wp.com/thecharnelhouse.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/le_jeune_karl_marx_01-copy.jpeg?fit=440%2C476&ssl=1

    Don’t forget other Africans, like Jerry Seinfeld:

    Emperor Hirohito of Japan:

    Rose McGowan:

    Etc.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    One of the war aims of Japan was to conquer the rich watermelon-growing land of SE Asia.
    , @Mr. Hack
    Woody Allen's Zelig did a fine transformation (chameleon like) when in the company of a New Orleans jazz band. :-)
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  • My Romania post will hopefully be up in a few days. In the meantime, I'll share my impressions of the Sukhoi Superjet 100, which I flew for the first time on the way back from Bucharest. Overall impressions: Meh. As densely packed as any Airbus, and way more vibrations and creaking sounds than the average...
  • @Duke of Qin
    That's optimistic considering Trump actually lost the popular vote by 2% to Clinton of all people, the platonic essence of the shrill hectoring school marm no on likes. It was only thanks to the weird electoral College situation that Trump became president. Unfortunately that same system is going to come back and bite the Republicans in the ass once the Democrats flip Texas via demographic change and then you are looking forward to eternal lefty rule of the US executive branch.

    Democrats may run up the score in California thanks to the immigration policy, but that won’t matter. Gettting more of the black vote will strengthen Trump in the Rust Belt. If the Democrats run Biden they have a chance, but if they go Kamala they don’t.

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    • Replies: @songbird
    I think the GOP may have exactly one more presidential election that is winnable. Beyond that... Though it is true they didn't do a lot of good in general when they won. Maybe there is hope for the Democrats to fracture into more than one party, but I wouldn't bet on it happening anytime soon.

    What is left? I don't know. I guess there is always hope of a technological revolution for freedom. But technology is kind of a double edged sword.
    , @LondonBob
    Trump will definitely flip Minnesota, and probably take NH in 2000. Suspect more blacks won't vote rather than actually voting for Trump.
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  • @Mr. Hack
    For some reason, I thought that you still lived in the area?...Do you think that Trump Jr. was correct in his assessment?

    I think he was.

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    I wonder, although I don't think that he was 'Putin's man' by any means, he still seems to exhibit an inordinate love affair with Russia, and seems willing to overlook a lot. Whatever his true relations with Russia were, they haven't seemed to help his cause to this point?...
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  • Transylvanian Morning. I have been unable to follow most of the last week's comments, and probably won't catch up. But FWIW, I enjoyed the gearhead debates at Thorfinnsson's Take on Tesla, the Dmitry vs. Polish Perspective debate on who was or was not in Israel, and reiner Tor's instructions on cold showers. Now that I...
  • AP says:
    @for-the-record
    The bottom line is that Christianity led to a dramatic decrease and virtual disappearance in slavery in Christian areas,

    I believe the nearly can be said of Islam: Islam led to a dramatic decrease and virtual disappearance in slavery in Islamicized populations.

    Islam was the place for mass slave markets, with vast numbers of slaves coming form the Balkans, sub-Saharan Africa, Eastern Europe, India, etc. Muslim Mauritania is one of the few places where slavery is still practiced.

    From wiki:

    The Arab slave trade was most active in West Asia, North Africa, and Southeast Africa. In the early 20th century (post World War I), slavery was gradually outlawed and suppressed in Muslim lands, largely due to pressure exerted by Western nations such as Britain and France.[5] For example, Saudi Arabia and Yemen only abolished slavery in 1962 under pressure from Britain; Oman followed suit in 1970, and Mauritania in 1905, 1981, and again in August 2007.[12] However, slavery claiming the sanction of Islam is documented presently in the predominantly Islamic countries of Chad, Mauritania, Niger, Mali, and Sudan.

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  • @Daniel Chieh
    IIRC his familial background involves a lot of Southern Baptist who were very, very Christian in speech, mannerism, and declaration who then proceeded to do absolutely nothing to help them survive the many downturns in the US economy(as well as post-Civil War misery).

    His bitterness is understandable.

    Okay, makes sense.

    Protestantism in general seems to have been the path to atheism (and thus self-destruction) in Europe.

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  • My Romania post will hopefully be up in a few days. In the meantime, I'll share my impressions of the Sukhoi Superjet 100, which I flew for the first time on the way back from Bucharest. Overall impressions: Meh. As densely packed as any Airbus, and way more vibrations and creaking sounds than the average...
  • @Thorfinnsson
    Refer to: "get some money" :)

    Not everyone can, or wants to, run a factory.

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  • AP says:
    @Mr. Hack
    I'm curious, how you and your family have integrated into the Ukrainian community in Michigan? Are the malankas still as popular as back in the day when they were packing them into the Cultural Center? How about during the warmer months, is the Dibrova Oselia still a popular destination? Plenty of churches to visit (and join!)? Lot's of Ukies used to live in Warren, Fenton, Flint, Hamtraken,they're probably even further north now...

    I didn’t grow up there, just spent some time while at the medical center for my internship/residency, so didn’t integrate other than going to church and having shashliks at Dibrova.

    I left long ago, but Trump Jr. came to the Ukrainian cultural center in Warren and promised that his dad would be better for Ukraine than Obama was.

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    For some reason, I thought that you still lived in the area?...Do you think that Trump Jr. was correct in his assessment?
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  • AP says:
    @Thorfinnsson
    It will happen on Boeings and the CRAIC CR929 when it appears.

    Aircraft manufacturers are currently experimenting with staggered cabin layouts which will allow them to cram even more people in cattle class.

    Solution: get some money and fly business class.

    I’m willing to put up with a few hours of discomfort for the sake of $1500 roundtrip, the cost of an upgrade to business class. And then multiply it by three, the number of people travelling. That’s almost 2 weeks of personal income – not worth it.

    But this Airbus was very annoying.

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    Refer to: "get some money" :)
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  • Untold billions of dollars spent on new football stadiums. Lavish spending on football players. The hiring of some of Europe's most expensive and prestigious coaches. Results? Russia is 45th in the football Elo rankings Russia is 70th in the FIFA rankings The Russian team has never been weaker in its entire history. My guess is...
  • @Dmitry
    It's mainly domestic tourism, so the money is just moving from one part of the country to another.

    The important is to get foreign tourists to visit (moving money from one country to another).

    For this, actually it is cultural sites Moscow and Peter which are the largest destinations (as in France, it is Paris which is the largest tourist attraction).

    The secret here has a lot in relation to image and marketing. Paris is the world's most popular tourist destination, because of an amazing success of France in marketing the image of Paris as a dream and romance city.

    France itself attracts 89 million foreign tourists last year and Paris received 40 million tourists. Moscow gets 21 million tourists (mainly domestic).

    It’s mainly domestic tourism, so the money is just moving from one part of the country to another.

    This is an incorrect analysis, money that would move from Russia to another country is now staying in Russia.

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  • My Romania post will hopefully be up in a few days. In the meantime, I'll share my impressions of the Sukhoi Superjet 100, which I flew for the first time on the way back from Bucharest. Overall impressions: Meh. As densely packed as any Airbus, and way more vibrations and creaking sounds than the average...
  • AP says:
    @reiner Tor
    What kind of Boeing and Airbus those were? What year they were produced?

    I think it was A330 Airbus and Boeing 777.

    Generally Aeroflot is very comfortable and spacious, for “cattle class” flights. I prefer Aeroflot to Lufthansa or Delta when flying to Moscow. The Airbus experience was shocking – my knees were jammed against the seat in front. Never happened on the old Soviet planes nor Boeing.

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    It will happen on Boeings and the CRAIC CR929 when it appears.

    Aircraft manufacturers are currently experimenting with staggered cabin layouts which will allow them to cram even more people in cattle class.

    Solution: get some money and fly business class.
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  • Transylvanian Morning. I have been unable to follow most of the last week's comments, and probably won't catch up. But FWIW, I enjoyed the gearhead debates at Thorfinnsson's Take on Tesla, the Dmitry vs. Polish Perspective debate on who was or was not in Israel, and reiner Tor's instructions on cold showers. Now that I...
  • AP says:
    @iffen
    Some Wiki tidbits:

    In 1545 Paul repealed an ancient law that allowed slaves to claim their freedom under the Emperor's statue on Capitol Hill, in view of the number of homeless people and tramps in the city of Rome.[107] The decree included those who had become Christians after their enslavement and those born to Christian slaves. The right of inhabitants of Rome to publicly buy and sell slaves of both sexes was affirmed.[108]

    In 1639 Pope Urban VIII forbade the slavery of the Indians of Brazil, Paraguay, and the West Indies, yet he purchased non-Indian slaves for himself from the Knights of Malta,[97] probably for the Papal galleys. The Knights of Malta attacked pirates and Muslim shipping, and their base became a centre for slave trading, selling captured North Africans and Turks. Malta remained a slave market until well into the late 18th century. It required a thousand slaves to equip merely the galleys of the Order.[98][99]

    In 1866 The Holy Office of Pope Pius IX affirmed that, subject to conditions, it was not against divine law for a slave to be sold, bought or exchanged.[13]

    … Nonetheless, Catholic missionaries such as the Jesuits, who also owned slaves ...
     

    Notice I used the term “chattel.” Chattel slavery was different in form and operation from the slavery practiced by the Indians. As a matter of fact, proto Americans in North America induced (by creating a market where there was none) some tribes into becoming slave capturing and supplying tribes as their main economic activity.

    The fact that the enslavement of the American Indians was not profitable and was replaced by the extremely profitable importation of Africans should not be profaned and twisted into some kind of obscene plaudit for “better” European “treatment” of the Indians.

    Exactly how many people have the Popes sent to hell for owning slaves?

    Your justification of African slavery in the New World by the fact that Africans practiced slavery themselves is sad indeed.

    If you want to take Christian credit for Christian fanatics abolishing slavery then you have to take credit for everything Christians fanatics have done over the two millennia, and that is a very long list.

    Your Ukrainian project is in a hell of a mess if you don’t have a better grip on reality than this nonsense indicates.

    You seem to desperately grasp at trees in order to ignore the forest.

    The bottom line is that Christianity led to a dramatic decrease and virtual disappearance in slavery in Christian areas, that it persisted primarily in the context of interactions with non-Christians who practiced it widely, such as sub-Saharan Africans and Muslims (you mention isolated cases of slavery in Malta and Rome, generally linked to interactions with the Muslim world – care to compare extent of slavery in 16th century Italy vs. 2nd century pre-Christian Italy?), and that ultimately it was Christians who had it abolished globally.

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    IIRC his familial background involves a lot of Southern Baptist who were very, very Christian in speech, mannerism, and declaration who then proceeded to do absolutely nothing to help them survive the many downturns in the US economy(as well as post-Civil War misery).

    His bitterness is understandable.
    , @for-the-record
    The bottom line is that Christianity led to a dramatic decrease and virtual disappearance in slavery in Christian areas,

    I believe the nearly can be said of Islam: Islam led to a dramatic decrease and virtual disappearance in slavery in Islamicized populations.
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  • My Romania post will hopefully be up in a few days. In the meantime, I'll share my impressions of the Sukhoi Superjet 100, which I flew for the first time on the way back from Bucharest. Overall impressions: Meh. As densely packed as any Airbus, and way more vibrations and creaking sounds than the average...
  • @Vishnugupta
    Sukhoi Superjet is comparable to Embraer not Airbus A320/Boeing 737 which are bigger planes and would be comparable to the upcoming MC 21.

    The interiors are the choice of the airline so can't blame Sukhoi for that.

    The vibration/creaking noise well as a thumb rule the larger the plane the less likely it will be tossed around while in flight due to inertia So 747 will be more comfortable than 737 which will be better than an Embraer.I think it is as quiet as the Embraer E series jets which is in the same class size wise.

    The one serious mistake Sukhoi made was going for French Engines SaM 146 instead of US/UK Ones.

    Jet engines is one area of manufacturing where the Anglos reign supreme(GE,PW,RR).

    Russia has not made the same mistake with the MC 21 whose international version will have Pratt and Whitney GTF engines.These is an indigenous engine option as well PD 14 but that will not be competitive internationally vis a vis fuel efficiency

    I flew to Moscow on Aeroflot in an Airbus and flew out in a Boeing. Difference is night and day. Airbus is cramped and terrible.

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    What kind of Boeing and Airbus those were? What year they were produced?
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  • @DFH
    And Romans and Medieval Britons believed they were descended from the Trojans

    Chaldeans may be right, though. Their ancestors converted to Christianity under the Persians, not after the Arab invasion. Although it is likely that their Arab neighbors aren’t all invaders but locals whose ancestors converted to Islam over the years.

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  • AP says:
    @gate666
    what was their estimated iq.

    Probably a lot higher than those of Arabs. There are many in Detroit. They live in wealthier areas, tend to work as professionals. They are rather materialistic, one of my friends dated one – 20-something professional in finance or something, but still living at home so she can afford a new higher-end Mercedes, only wore designer clothes (Armani store is full of them). But superstitious, afraid of the “evil eye.” Contemptuous of Arabs who live in poorer areas.

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    I'm curious, how you and your family have integrated into the Ukrainian community in Michigan? Are the malankas still as popular as back in the day when they were packing them into the Cultural Center? How about during the warmer months, is the Dibrova Oselia still a popular destination? Plenty of churches to visit (and join!)? Lot's of Ukies used to live in Warren, Fenton, Flint, Hamtraken,they're probably even further north now...
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  • @Thorfinnsson
    Taleb incorporates North Africa into his definition. He wants them to stop identifying as "Arabs".

    Well, Iraqi Christians often don’t identify as Arabs, but as Chaldeans. They claim to be descendants of the original Babylonians who were conquered and swamped by the dirty Arabs coming from the south.

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    Ethnically they refer to themselves as Assyrians, same as their neighbors in northwestern Iran and northeastern Syria. Chaldean is just a term for those whose churches are in communion with Rome after splitting from the Church of the East (the so-called Nestorian church) back in the 16th century. I think the only MENA Christians that call themselves Arabs these days are the Palestinians; traditionally the Orthodox in Lebanon and Syria were associated with pan-Arabism, but lately with stuff like Operation Antioch they've been focusing more on their Hellenic roots.
    , @gate666
    what was their estimated iq.
    , @DFH
    And Romans and Medieval Britons believed they were descended from the Trojans
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  • Vladislav Pravdin - GREAT STALIN (1949). It is our joy that during the hard years of the war the Red Army and the Soviet people were led by the wise and experienced leader of the Soviet Union - the GREAT STALIN. And now for something completely different. Instead of snippets from larger works, here’s Egor...
  • @Thorfinnsson
    The USSR suffered more casualties during Operation Barbarossa than the size of the entire German Army. Wrap your head around that for a second.

    The Axis had superiority in manpower during the opening phase of Operation Barbarossa, something which was not to occur again for the rest of the war. And they were outnumbered in tanks and aircraft, though admittedly most of the Soviet tanks and aircraft in 1941 were obsolete.

    In 1942 the Germans launched Operation Blue with numerical inferiority.

    Germany's allies on the Eastern Front other than Finland weren't worth much either--generally all inferior to Soviet units. Some of the foreign Waffen SS units were excellent however, such as the 5th SS Panzer Division Wiking.

    I don't mean to disparage the USSR or Russians in saying this either. Fighting the German Army is serious business, as Konstantin Rokossovsky said.

    So if it was strictly Germany vs. USSR, no Brits, no Italians and Romanians, no American suppliers, Germany devotes 100% of its military to the war – likely Germany wins.

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    That is my position on the matter, but it is not certain.

    For some reason Russians consider this an insult.
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  • AP says:
    @Gerard2

    I suppose in Sovok-world not getting executed or sent to the gulag qualifies as not being persecuted.
     
    errrr.....that is the same for every country on the planet you idiot....not least America where the actual repression would classify as real and much worse than the fantasist "repression" in the USSR.

    A country that hadn' t lost million in WW2 was banning , arresting, blacklisting, blackmailing pretty much all the great negro jazz musicians, singers (look at Paul Robeson), numerous successful film directors, actors, and civil rights activists you idiot

    Bulgakov was a great Soviet writer you cretin with numerous successes during the Soviet time ( and the achievements of Russian classical music when much further into the 20th century than any other country....Russian Popular music itself was fantastic, for the time, during the Stalin era....a million miles superior to British ,germany,Italian and french popular music....only second to America's)

    By that measure every single black American jazz musician, numerous famous Hollywood film directors and musicians.....and singers were persecuted

    He started writing before the Soviets, was persecuted by him, did not like them, and you somehow use him as an example of Soviet literature or literary tradition.
     
    Wow...Charles Dickens wrote about the abusive industrialist-capitalist system and it's effect on society........does that disqualify him from being classified as a great Victorian writer you thick POS?

    Steinbeck wrote critically of the exploitative forms of capitalist America that lead to the Great Depression in his book "Grapes of Wrath"...by your retarded idiot reasoning that disqualifies him from being classified as a great 20th century American writer

    The Soviet Union itself probably contributed more to human rights than any country ever

    A country that hadn’ t lost million in WW2 was banning , arresting, blacklisting, blackmailing pretty much all the great negro jazz musicians

    LOL, Sovok makes the classic Soviet “but you lynch Negros” argument:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

    Persecution of blacks in America is not linked to persecution of Bulgakov in Russia.

    But I guess because for Soviets living materially the same as poor blacks in housing projects is normal and acceptable, they probably think the treating Bulgakov like a black jazz musician in 1930s America is also normal and acceptable. He was actually treated worse, because his works were banned for a time. Black jazz musicians were only banned from certain clubs.

    Bulgakov was a great Soviet writer

    Just because you are a Sharikov does not mean that everyone else stuck in the Sovok nightmare was one too.

    Steinbeck wrote critically of the exploitative forms of capitalist America..that disqualifies him from being classified as a great 20th century American writer

    It might disqualify him from being an American capitalist writer.

    Bulgakov was a Russian writer, not a Soviet one. Sovoks want everyone to be a Sovok. Sorry, Sharikov, Bulgakov was not one of yours. He despised your kind, and rightly so.

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  • Transylvanian Morning. I have been unable to follow most of the last week's comments, and probably won't catch up. But FWIW, I enjoyed the gearhead debates at Thorfinnsson's Take on Tesla, the Dmitry vs. Polish Perspective debate on who was or was not in Israel, and reiner Tor's instructions on cold showers. Now that I...
  • AP says:
    @iffen
    taking it from other peoples they encountered along the way

    Bullshit!

    European Christians brought chattel slavery to the New World. Those “Padres” in New Spain tried to make do with Indians as slaves and it didn’t work out so Africans were imported by the millions by Christians and worked to their death by Christians.

    Abolitionists were Christian religious fanatics.

    No less than the Christian slave owners and defenders.

    Bullshit!

    European Christians brought chattel slavery to the New World.

    Slavery existed in the New World before the Christian got there.

    Those “Padres” in New Spain tried to make do with Indians as slaves

    Wiki:

    “Initially, forced labor represented a means by which the conquistadores mobilized native labor and met production quotas, with disastrous effects on the population. Unlike the Portuguese Crown’s support for the slave trade, los Reyes Católicos (English: Catholic Monarchs) at first opposed the introduction of slavery in the newly conquered lands on religious grounds. When Columbus returned with indigenous slaves, they ordered many of the survivors to be returned to their homelands. The papal bull Sublimus Dei of 1537, to which Spain was committed, also officially banned enslavement of indigenous people, but it was rescinded a year after its promulgation. The other major form of coerced labor in their colonies, the encomienda system, was also abolished, despite the considerable anger this caused in local criollo elites. It was replaced by the repartimiento system.[15][16][17]

    After passage of the 1542 New Laws, the Spanish greatly restricted the power of the encomienda system. The statutes of 1573, within the “Ordinances Concerning Discoveries,” forbade certain kinds of coerced labor and regulated treatment of the local population. It required appointment of a “protector de indios”, an ecclesiastical representative who acted as the protector of the Indians and represented them in formal litigation.[18][19][19] Later in the 16th century, in the viceroyalties of New Spain and Peru, thousands of indigenous people were forced to hard work as underground miners in the mines of Potosi, Guanajuato, and Zacatecas, in Peru, by means of the continuation of the pre-Hispanic Inca mita tradition.

    The New Laws of 1542 abolished the slavery of Indigenous people from then.”

    Slavery was, of course, well-established in Africa before the European Christians got there. They simply expanded African slavery across the ocean due to their technology.

    So Christians, having banned slavery in their home countries, used it when they found it in non-Christian lands they conquered and came in contact with, and weren’t fast about abolishing it, although they eventually got around to doing so. And because Christians ruled the world, this meant slavery was done in the world.*

    Abolitionists were Christian religious fanatics.

    No less than the Christian slave owners and defenders.

    So? Second sentence doesn’t nullify the first. Slavery, which existed for thousands of years throughout the world across various civilizations, was ultimately abolished from the world* by Christian fanatics motivated by their Christian faith and doctrines.

    *Yes, I know – it still exists in isolated pockets the Christians did not get to

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    And when slavery is reintroduced by our benevolent new overlords, will it take another thousand years to eliminate it?
    , @iffen
    Some Wiki tidbits:

    In 1545 Paul repealed an ancient law that allowed slaves to claim their freedom under the Emperor's statue on Capitol Hill, in view of the number of homeless people and tramps in the city of Rome.[107] The decree included those who had become Christians after their enslavement and those born to Christian slaves. The right of inhabitants of Rome to publicly buy and sell slaves of both sexes was affirmed.[108]

    In 1639 Pope Urban VIII forbade the slavery of the Indians of Brazil, Paraguay, and the West Indies, yet he purchased non-Indian slaves for himself from the Knights of Malta,[97] probably for the Papal galleys. The Knights of Malta attacked pirates and Muslim shipping, and their base became a centre for slave trading, selling captured North Africans and Turks. Malta remained a slave market until well into the late 18th century. It required a thousand slaves to equip merely the galleys of the Order.[98][99]

    In 1866 The Holy Office of Pope Pius IX affirmed that, subject to conditions, it was not against divine law for a slave to be sold, bought or exchanged.[13]

    … Nonetheless, Catholic missionaries such as the Jesuits, who also owned slaves ...
     

    Notice I used the term “chattel.” Chattel slavery was different in form and operation from the slavery practiced by the Indians. As a matter of fact, proto Americans in North America induced (by creating a market where there was none) some tribes into becoming slave capturing and supplying tribes as their main economic activity.

    The fact that the enslavement of the American Indians was not profitable and was replaced by the extremely profitable importation of Africans should not be profaned and twisted into some kind of obscene plaudit for “better” European “treatment” of the Indians.

    Exactly how many people have the Popes sent to hell for owning slaves?

    Your justification of African slavery in the New World by the fact that Africans practiced slavery themselves is sad indeed.

    If you want to take Christian credit for Christian fanatics abolishing slavery then you have to take credit for everything Christians fanatics have done over the two millennia, and that is a very long list.

    Your Ukrainian project is in a hell of a mess if you don’t have a better grip on reality than this nonsense indicates.

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  • Vladislav Pravdin - GREAT STALIN (1949). It is our joy that during the hard years of the war the Red Army and the Soviet people were led by the wise and experienced leader of the Soviet Union - the GREAT STALIN. And now for something completely different. Instead of snippets from larger works, here’s Egor...
  • @Gerard2
    Thanks Cyrano!



    The freak has it's uncomfortable PMT phase everytime this video is shown... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G82mQeFKak ...effectively showing Rivne as a second Russian exclave after Kaliningrad

    Not that facts have any relevance to the freak...it just messes up the spam algorithm for the POS.

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    Video is in Ukrainian, incompetent Sovok.

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  • AP says:
    @iffen
    I see Bliss’s point. Christianity was okay with slavery for almost two thousand years. To give it credit for the abolition of slavery is ludicrous. The fact that the early abolitionists in England were Christians is of no value. What were they going to be, left-handed Buddhists?

    I see Bliss’s point. Christianity was okay with slavery for almost two thousand years.

    Not really. Slavery ended in the Roman Empire due to Christianity (it had been a staple of pre-Christian Europe). Some high % of Rome and Greece were slaves. The Rus used to sell Slavs as slaves to the Arabs in huge numbers, until they converted to Christianity. Slavery was common in non-Christian Islamic societies, as well as in sub-Saharan Africa.

    Christians picked it up again when they left Europe and conquered the world, taking it from other peoples they encountered along the way, before eventually abolishing it everywhere. It still exists in pockets isolated from Christians.

    Do you think there would be no slavery in the world if Christianity had not existed, or if it had disappeared due to a successful Muslim conquest of Europe in the middle ages?

    To give it credit for the abolition of slavery is ludicrous.

    Christianity certainly gets credit for abolishing slavery in Europe. In terms of globally abolishing slavery – the Abolitionists were Christian religious fanatics.

    The fact that the early abolitionists in England were Christians is of no value

    Why? Christian belief explicitly guided their abolitionism.

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    taking it from other peoples they encountered along the way

    Bullshit!

    European Christians brought chattel slavery to the New World. Those “Padres” in New Spain tried to make do with Indians as slaves and it didn’t work out so Africans were imported by the millions by Christians and worked to their death by Christians.

    Abolitionists were Christian religious fanatics.

    No less than the Christian slave owners and defenders.
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  • Vladislav Pravdin - GREAT STALIN (1949). It is our joy that during the hard years of the war the Red Army and the Soviet people were led by the wise and experienced leader of the Soviet Union - the GREAT STALIN. And now for something completely different. Instead of snippets from larger works, here’s Egor...
  • AP says:
    @Anon

    So a country with only 40% of USSR’s population was busy occupying much of Europe
     
    You deliberately misplace the facts and numbers. Nazi Germany had allies that invaded USSR, and together their forces outnumbered Red Army (about twice). Population of Nazi Germany + only allied Austria-Italy-Romania-Hungary-Finland was about 80% of USSR population. And with willing collaborators from Poland to Spain - 200% of USSR population. GDP of Germany + Allies + Collaborators was at least 3 times larger than of USSR.

    Please grow up from your petty Russophobia. Either you or your ancestors chose to leave our land. Enjoy and keep what you have. You have no need to blame us and find any reason why you stay there.

    You deliberately misplace the facts and numbers. Nazi Germany had allies that invaded USSR, and together their forces outnumbered Red Army (about twice). Population of Nazi Germany + only allied Austria-Italy-Romania-Hungary-Finland was about 80% of USSR population

    If you are going to add those countries than add the population of the allied British Empire and later the USA.

    And with willing collaborators from Poland to Spain – 200% of USSR population.

    Germany had to use resources to occupy those countries. This makes Sovok poor performance even worse.

    Please grow up from your petty Russophobia

    Russophobia is to equate the disgusting Sovok monstrosity with beautiful Russia. That is what you do.

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    If you are going to add those countries than add the population of the allied British Empire and later the USA.
     
    errrmmmm......British and American forces didn't step foot in the USSR you laughably retarded lowlife....Italians and Romanians did...with huge armies......much larger than the armies of Italy and Germany encountered by the British in the North African desert.....you insidious retarded attentionwhore POS . Sheesh you are dumb as well as being a nutjob loser

    Germany had to use resources to occupy those countries. This makes Sovok poor performance even worse.
     
    Actually the Soviet performance was the most beautiful and miraculous comeback in miliary history.....your cowardly, fuckedup Nazi grandfather idiot was probably destroyed because of the brilliance of Stalin and the red army....no suprise a sick freak as you has to make 1000s of posts each day on here to try and pathetically disinform on here
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  • AP says:
    @Dmitry
    Implying a concept of adopting 'pick and choose' religions, with factors including the healthy appearance of the women within the religion, or the desirable geography of the town.

    I'm not criticizing this perspective, or saying that the facts are uninteresting. Please post more information about Mormons, it was interesting.

    But for religious issues, it makes even me feel an old-minded person (to be concerned in either believing a religion or not - and if the religion is actually true, all other factors - political impact, etc, - should be irrelevant).

    Implying a concept of adopting ‘pick and choose’ religions, with factors including the healthy appearance of the women within the religion, or the desirable geography of the town.

    I’m not criticizing this perspective, or saying that the facts are uninteresting.

    I agree with you, we are writing from a material perspective and so I followed the discussion on that level. I would seem profane to try to describe the “religious experience” here. Of course Christianity is true and will be true even if its adherents are poor and weak.

    Empirically speaking, Europe was at it height when it was devoutly Christian. This is true of every country in Europe. At best, countries may have continued being great for a few decades after losing their faith, running on fumes. When was Russia expanding and producing the greatest literature in the world? When was Spain spreading its culture throughout the world? When did Britain rule the waves? Under what faith did peoples living like jungle savages rise to rule the world in only about 1,000 years, while other savages stayed in their forests and jungles, and older civilizations just existed in their somnolence?

    Please post more information about Mormons, it was interesting.

    I’m not an expert on them, I’ve merely visited Utah a few times (I love hiking in deserts). You should visit.

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  • AP says:
    @Anon

    allowed a country with 40% its population
     
    Returned to the start? Most of continental Europe vs. USSR => overwhelming manpower, resources and industry combined from the West.

    did so without the general population living in poverty
     
    Somehow other countries robbed other nations off their resources and human potential. Somehow USSR citizens received better education and healthcare with all basic needs supplied by the system since 1930s. They had no coca-cola and Star wars, or some top-notch home appliances, living in much colder climate. An average American physician lived in a wooden panel house paying mortgage, returning education loan to work and car loan just to reach his clinic. For an average Soviet physician USSR provided free education and granted him monolith or concrete condo (with almost free electricity, gas and heating), and built a new clinic next to his door, or he got almost free public transportation. The same was provided FOR ALL, e.g. like in USA it would be provided for Hispanics, Afro-Americans, White Trash, fresh immigrants etc. even regardless of their working performance.

    70 years of failure?
     
    Like defeating Europe and sending human to space?

    Most of continental Europe vs. USSR

    So a country with only 40% of USSR’s population was busy occupying much of Europe, fighting Britain, and still killed 30 million Soviet people. Even more pathetic.

    Somehow other countries robbed other nations off their resources and human potential

    And Sovoks robbed their own people.

    Whom did Austria rob after World War II, while Hungry and Czechoslovakia (largely equal to Austria prior to Soviet rule) got progressively poorer and shabbier under Soviet rule.

    Somehow USSR citizens received better education and healthcare

    As Karlin has pointed out, Soviet life expectancy declined under Soviets. Somuch for better healthcare. Education is a plus, I will give you that. Lots of education people in Sovok living materially like American blacks in housing projects.

    An average American physician lived in a wooden panel house paying mortgage, returning education loan to work and car loan just to reach his clinic. For an average Soviet physician USSR provided free education and granted him monolith or concrete condo (with almost free electricity, gas and heating), and built a new clinic next to his door, or he got almost free public transportation.

    LOL, Sovok thinks physician in USSR had it better than one in USA. Did you know poor people in USA also get free healthcare, free housing, free utilities and free transportation?

    The same was provided FOR ALL

    That’s true. In Sovok all (or nearly all) lived like poor Americans. But it was more or less equal.

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    So a country with only 40% of USSR’s population was busy occupying much of Europe
     
    You deliberately misplace the facts and numbers. Nazi Germany had allies that invaded USSR, and together their forces outnumbered Red Army (about twice). Population of Nazi Germany + only allied Austria-Italy-Romania-Hungary-Finland was about 80% of USSR population. And with willing collaborators from Poland to Spain - 200% of USSR population. GDP of Germany + Allies + Collaborators was at least 3 times larger than of USSR.

    Please grow up from your petty Russophobia. Either you or your ancestors chose to leave our land. Enjoy and keep what you have. You have no need to blame us and find any reason why you stay there.

    , @Anatoly Karlin

    As Karlin has pointed out, Soviet life expectancy declined under Soviets...
     
    I agree with you on almost everything.

    However, more specifically, Soviet LE peaked in the mid-60s, then slowly declined; peaked again at about the same level in the late 80s (Gorby's anti-alcohol campaign), then collapsed in the 1990s.

    Middle-aged mortality, especially male, deteriorated hugely after the mid-1960s. This was primarily a function of the late USSR's alcoholization crisis, not the medical system (it is more accurate to say that it stagnated than declined). Meanwhile, Western medicine saw huge progress during the period and Westerners adopted healthier habits, with the result that Russia went from having near equal LE with the West in the 60s, to severely lagging by the 80s (to say nothing of the 90s).
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  • AP says:

    By 1950s, Russia have repelled direct Western agression.

    Shambling Sovok state allowed a country with 40% its population to kill 30 million or so Sovoks…after killing 9 million of its own people itself.

    By 1980s, it have built a nuclear shield and since that all conventional forces and wast lands were kept only by inertia, they had certain probability of departing away.

    Somehow other countries did so without the general population living in poverty and ugliness. Middle class Sovoks were living, materially, about as badly as blacks in American housing projects. The top 1% were living, perhaps, as well as an average run-of-the-mill American physician. Though not even.

    It is ways better than Western aggressive individualism and self-imposed belief of supremacy

    Is that what you tell yourself to feel better about 70 years of failure? Sad.

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    allowed a country with 40% its population
     
    Returned to the start? Most of continental Europe vs. USSR => overwhelming manpower, resources and industry combined from the West.

    did so without the general population living in poverty
     
    Somehow other countries robbed other nations off their resources and human potential. Somehow USSR citizens received better education and healthcare with all basic needs supplied by the system since 1930s. They had no coca-cola and Star wars, or some top-notch home appliances, living in much colder climate. An average American physician lived in a wooden panel house paying mortgage, returning education loan to work and car loan just to reach his clinic. For an average Soviet physician USSR provided free education and granted him monolith or concrete condo (with almost free electricity, gas and heating), and built a new clinic next to his door, or he got almost free public transportation. The same was provided FOR ALL, e.g. like in USA it would be provided for Hispanics, Afro-Americans, White Trash, fresh immigrants etc. even regardless of their working performance.

    70 years of failure?
     
    Like defeating Europe and sending human to space?
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  • AP says:
    @Anon
    Sorry for touching you emigre feelings, inciting a burst of resentment and jealosy for us Russians. I recommend you reading Korolenko's 'Without tongue' about Western Russia's immigrants in New York. Their gnashing of teeth is almost the same as 100 years ago - but today with Soviet myths battling with Western myths in the same brain.

    Losing your own identity is indeed a tragedy. As we stay in 'Sovok', we still enjoy many things free, low taxation, lands and condos granted by the state, paid 28-36 days leave, maternity 1,5-3 year leave, free communal transportation, zero vehicle tax and parking, and many other discounts, tax deductions and money bonuses for having 3 kids, and for every kid - free kindergartens, schools, vocational activities, ternary education. Elders enjoy lowest retirement age, free transportation, holiday trips etc. etc. etc. We let you enjoy the benefits of Free World and free enterprize in the West yet with no jealosy and resentment at all.

    Sorry for touching you emigre feelings, inciting a burst of resentment and jealosy for us Russians.

    No reason to project. I could have lived in Moscow, where my wife owns properties in the city center, but chose not to. I can still move any time, but I like my career more. It’s a wonderful place to visit, beautiful, excellent theater, nice shopping.

    As we stay in ‘Sovok’

    You are no longer in Sovok. Actually I would never have even considered moving until at least 10 years after Sovok was finished. No normal person would have done so. What an ugly and shabby place your ilk had made of Russia, by the 1980s.

    But yes, 25 years after the failed Soviet experiment came crashing down, Russia has become a very nice place. Despite Sovok attitudes of many people.

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    What an ugly and shabby place your ilk had made of Russia, by the 1980s.
    after the failed Soviet experiment came crashing down
     
    Either narrow-mindness or Western propaganda prevents connecting modern state of Russian society and economics to developments of USSR. By 1950s, Russia have repelled direct Western agression. By 1980s, it have built a nuclear shield and since that all conventional forces and wast lands were kept only by inertia, they had certain probability of departing away, including Warsaw Pact. By 1990s, the carbon export industy was completed, and all people got their basic housing (a condo and a small piece of land). Soviet project had fulfilled its task - the large, diverse and cold territory was finally protected, inhabited and supplied by energy.

    What you call Sovok attitude is only morals of society reflecting the epoch and its challenges. It is ways better than Western aggressive individualism and self-imposed belief of supremacy that caused WW2, gave rise to Hitler and killed millions. Without 'Sovok', many people including yourself, may never exist.

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  • AP says:

    Users like Aaronb, Talha and AP are sounding quite ‘post-modern’ above when they justify religion instrumentally or as politically/economically useful (this is not saintly or godfearing motivation).

    I’m communicating with non-believers on terms they can probably appreciate, and what I write is correct, what does it have to do with post-modernism?

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    Implying a concept of adopting 'pick and choose' religions, with factors including the healthy appearance of the women within the religion, or the desirable geography of the town.

    I'm not criticizing this perspective, or saying that the facts are uninteresting. Please post more information about Mormons, it was interesting.

    But for religious issues, it makes even me feel an old-minded person (to be concerned in either believing a religion or not - and if the religion is actually true, all other factors - political impact, etc, - should be irrelevant).

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  • @German_reader

    Very nice people, btw, your views of them my change if you ever have the chance to spend some time in Utah
     
    I actually was once approached by a Mormon missionary on public transport in my city. Very polite guy, and certainly there's a lot to be said in favour of the Mormon lifestyle. I still think their beliefs are bizarre though, since Joseph Smith was quite obviously a con man. Much better than Islam though, I guess.

    As for why the Greco-Roman world was eclipsed, I highly recommend the Eastern Orthodox scholar Hart’s book : Atheist Delusions.
     
    I may look into it, though frankly it sounds a bit too much like Christian apologetics for my taste. I don't doubt that Christianity in some ways brought changes that could be seen as a moral advance, like greater concern for the poor or a moderation (and in the longer term abolition) of slavery, or the end of the gladiatorial games. I just think Christians ignore the more dubious sides rather too much, and talk too much about things like Christians rescuing exposed infants (which is impossible to quantify), while downplaying issues like religious violence and the increasingly harsh legislation of the Christian emperors against other beliefs.
    But thanks for the recommendation, always welcome.

    Another interesting thing about Mormons is that they are highly technophilic and indeed have an outsized presence in transhumanism.

    Robin Hanson wrote about it here: http://www.overcomingbias.com/2017/04/mormon-transhumanists.html

    My comment there:

    I think there are many Mormon transhumanists for the same reason that there are many Mormon sci-fi writers: Mormon cosmology pretty much *is* sci-fi.

    For instance, this whole idea that after after death you become the god-emperor of your own little world/universe ties in well with things like the simulation hypothesis.

    I once raised this issue in a discussion with Brandon Sanderson. Although he is a fantasy writer, he takes pains to make sure his metaphysics is internally consistent in a very sci-fi’ish way: “My own question was possibly (hopefully) one Sanderson doesn’t get asked too often. I had noticed that his concept of the cosmere – the general idea of there being multiple connected worlds, and virtuous men and women becoming Gods in those various worlds and universes – seems remarkably similar to Mormon eschatology. So I asked to what extent Mormonism influenced his worldbuilding. The answer was fairly predictable and reasonable: He said that while he did not consciously borrow from Mormonism, obviously its core ideas and concepts were rather intrinsic to his identity and worldview, so it was inevitable that it would seep through to some extent into his creative work.”

    Stupid beliefs… but good aesthetics, healthy lifestyle, high fertility, and not too much progress-stifling religious obscurantism. A seemingly adaptive combination.

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  • Vladislav Pravdin - GREAT STALIN (1949). It is our joy that during the hard years of the war the Red Army and the Soviet people were led by the wise and experienced leader of the Soviet Union - the GREAT STALIN. And now for something completely different. Instead of snippets from larger works, here’s Egor...
  • AP says:
    @Gerard2

    Strange argument from a Russian. Remind me who started Donetsk? How about famous Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg? All those Baltic Germans and their outsized role? Guess who started the Russian oil industry, in Baku?
     
    lol...Bizarre, retard argument.



    Russia has independently started and built plenty of it's own industries/cities you idiot. All your cretinism shows is that any westernisation Ukraine has had was because of either Russian impulses or Russian money from Saint Peterburg.

    All those projects you list were done from RUSSIAN MONEY you cretin, same as all of Ukraine has either Russians or Russian money to thank, as was the case in the first bridge of the river Dnieper which was built by the Irish and British, with payment witheld because just after finishing the Bridge the Crimean war started. So Russian money, not straightforward parasitism ,as was the case of in Poland/Latvia/Estonia ,where all it's infrastructure was because of CONQUERING powers, not their own initiative you idiot.

    Now compare the great Russian engineers, scientists ,classical music composers, artists, novelists ( is there even such a thing as Polish "literature"), architects, performance artists....now compare all these spheres of intellectual achievement from Russia....and compare it to the pitifully inept and low tally from Poland, way out of disproportion to its population you thick POS.
    Chopin and Curie got by most of their live pretending they were French, so the list of Polish ability at intellectualism is practically nil.

    All those projects you list were done from RUSSIAN MONEY ….. So Russian money, not straightforward parasitism ,as was the case of in Poland/Latvia/Estonia ,where all it’s infrastructure was because of CONQUERING powers, not their own initiative you idiot.

    So Sharikov understands that Russia was independent and Poland was not.

    It’s good that you at least know something. This may be the first correct thing you have written.

    Although you screwed it up by using the word parasite. A parasite prospers from its relationship. but as we have seen, Soviet rule caused places ruled by Soviets to fall behind:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/stalin-is-not-great/#comment-2371632

    975 per capita GDP PPP, in 2010 dollars:

    Austria: $20,193
    Czechoslovakia: $14,306
    Hungary: $14,125

    Before Communism, 1929:

    Austria: $6,413
    Czechoslovakia: $5,704
    Hungary: $6,024

    So before Communism, Hungary had 94% of Austria’s GDP PPP per capita.

    In 1975 Hungary had only had 70% of Austria’s GDP PPP per capita.

    Before Communism Czechoslovakia had 89% of Austria’s GDP PPP per capita.

    In 1975 Czechoslovakia had only 71% of Austria’s GDP PPP per capita.

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    Before Communism, Galicia was wealthier than Russia. After Communism, it was much poorer than Russia.

    So clearly, Sovok, you were the parasite.

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    Most likely true. The Rusnake families arrived (were brought) from Galizien to my Bukowina town, somewhere between 1750 and 1800. How far south of Lemberg (Lviv) were their villages of origin, I do not know.

    Correct, the region was sparsely settled and under Austria there was a large wave of Galician immigration. In 1775 Bukovyna had only about 75,000 people, 80% of whom were Romanians. In 1880 it was 580,000 people and only 33.4% Romanian, vs. 42.2% Rusnak/Ukrainian.

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  • AP says:
    @Gerard2

    No, I listened and it was in Ukrainian
     
    Another straightforward lie.....that rather shameless you keep this up as befits a spambot troll f**tard ( that OK Anatoly?)

    Quite shameful

    AK: At least AP is capable of writing in a civilized manner that doesn't repel anybody who reads him. Perhaps you could take the hint? Then I won't have to trim your comments.


    The one where you tried to prove that Polish, Russian and Ukrainian are the same language? Very funny, Sharikov.

     

    Again ,fantasist drivel.

    Maybe you can be useful though for once in your POS non-existence.....do you know if there was an outbreak of beubonic plague, or something like that, which made all foreign teams refuse to be based in Lvov for Euro 2012? in a quite exceedingly embarassing circumstance for the people of Lvov and "Ukraine"

    Another straightforward lie…..that rather shameless you keep this up

    You write about yourself now. You posted a video that is in the Ukrainian language and claim it is not. Very funny :-)

    You know anyone can just scroll up and see it for themselves.

    The one where you tried to prove that Polish, Russian and Ukrainian are the same language? Very funny, Sharikov.

    Again ,fantasist drivel.

    LOL, here is the link to how you tried to stupidly prove that Ukrainian, Polish and Russian are the same language:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/netanyahu-was-in-moscow-so-what/#comment-2334356

    You had previously written “Yushchenko though doing something useful for once and proving that Ukrainian can’t seriously be considered a language but merely a dialect of Russian”

    Yushchenko’s speech:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-43611547/viktor-yushchenko-ukraine-s-ex-president-on-being-poisoned

    First sentence:

    Ukrainian (Yushchenko) – “Koly ya pishov do domu, potsiluvavsya z druzhynoyu*..”

    Russian would be”Kogda ya paishol domoy, potseloval zhenu”

    Polish would be “Kiedy poszedłem do domu, pocałowałem żonę”

    Every single word in this phrase is the same in Polish as in Russian. It is merely pronounced differently.

    By your “logic”, Polish must be a dialect of Russian too!

    This video is the one you have spammed on the comment section to “prove” that Ukrainian is a dialect of Russian.

    Pathetic and funny. :-)

    *Yushchenko could have used the word zhinkoyu instead. Which would make the phrase use all the same words in all three languages.

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    By the way Sharikov, why have you not responded to the comment where it was shown to you that by 1975 Communist Czechoslovakia and Hungary had already slipped far behind non-Communist Austria? :-)

    The comment is here:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/stalin-is-not-great/#comment-2371632

    Why are you afraid, Sovok?

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    do you know if there was an outbreak of beubonic plague, or something like that, which made all foreign teams refuse to be based in Lvov for Euro 2012

    Same one that prevented them from being based in Kharkiv?

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    By your “logic”, Polish must be a dialect of Russian too!
     
    ......for any non-lunatic....in other words you invented the part where you claimed I said Polish was a dialect of Russian......

    You also stupidly don't go past the first sentence, again I made this point at the time.

    AK: Note where I started trimming your comment. Not where you attack the argument by calling it stupid (it's a very poor argument, but legitimate), but where you begin the personal attacks.



    Whole sentences in this video are Russian you useless POS ( even more so on the Sky video I linked)

    Same one that prevented them from being based in Kharkiv?
     
    So what?...one of the worlds most prestigious teams were based in Donetsk you twat........absolute zilch decided to soil themselves in the shithole Lvov........must be because they could smell the rubbish tip from their prospective hotel.

    For more of Ukraine being Russia watch this... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44141852 ......in it's short time from the virulently russophobic pricks of the BBC, it shows the rich cultural heritage of Russia and the Soviet Union...the beautiful art, music, architecture, science that intertwines Tsarist and Soviet era's...utterly beautiful

    now on the other side of things compare the woeful intro by the same people, the BBC, and also ITV for the Euro 2012 in Poland and Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTq9Jo9GEXw. Obviously it cant give a full history but it should be able to encapsulate something about a countries culture/history etcetera...they're paid millions to be able to do so. The only thing they can do is show the hideous Nazi-like Tryzub....at a stretch maybe that's supposed to be the Carpathian mountains...but I doubt it.

    Now compare these two intro's - Maybe they could have "branched out" with some dickhead showing off a Khokhol cut or one of the "Cyborgs" getting annihilated as they defended an Airport ( by destroying it's 400 million value) that wasn't part of their territory in the first Minsk Agreement, as part of Ukrainian "culture"....but as you can see ,it's a pitifully low amount they show as "Ukrainian".

    Why is this? Because to do a pure Ukrainian video would be one involving art, people, singing, landmarks identical to Russia , from Tsarist and Soviet time you clowning POS cretin! That's because Ukraine is Russia you spambot sewerrat lowlife.
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  • @Anon

    Each of these countries produced writers in 1920s-30s that can equal Bulgakov ... Look at Jaroslav Hasek.
     
    Hey, look on the map - he was not from the countries I mentioned, and Czapek with Kafka too. Please name at least one from these.

    to be some kind of provincial erudite.
     
    That's you who dwell in periphery, on the sidelines of history. Many cultural things simply cannot be comprehended from your point. Our nation is creating culture and making history, you just use it and make the background. Please do it wise and enjoy :-)

    Hasek was used as an example of a great writer largely unknown outside his country due to translation issues, not as an example of a Polish or Romanian writer. You should read more carefully.

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    Sorry for touching you emigre feelings, inciting a burst of resentment and jealosy for us Russians. I recommend you reading Korolenko's 'Without tongue' about Western Russia's immigrants in New York. Their gnashing of teeth is almost the same as 100 years ago - but today with Soviet myths battling with Western myths in the same brain.

    Losing your own identity is indeed a tragedy. As we stay in 'Sovok', we still enjoy many things free, low taxation, lands and condos granted by the state, paid 28-36 days leave, maternity 1,5-3 year leave, free communal transportation, zero vehicle tax and parking, and many other discounts, tax deductions and money bonuses for having 3 kids, and for every kid - free kindergartens, schools, vocational activities, ternary education. Elders enjoy lowest retirement age, free transportation, holiday trips etc. etc. etc. We let you enjoy the benefits of Free World and free enterprize in the West yet with no jealosy and resentment at all.

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  • AP says:
    @Anon

    you know as little about Russian culture
     
    Dear, I am a bearer of this culture and live here in the midst of it, like my ancestors. Despite 'horrors of bolshevism' they somehow enjoyed their life, won the war and gave life to me and many decent people. So did Bulgakov, Gagarin, Korolev - their lives were not easy living, yet few of them would prefer another one. We don't cry victims and blame somebody else. When compared with other nations of Europe, we have almost no nation-wide sins to repent. Please stop using wikipedia to parry the obvious things we try to communicate.

    Bulgakov made money under Socialism, just for staging his plays, had three beautiful wives, drank and played cards and pool with Mayakovsky and all the leftist writers who pretended to oppose him. Enjoy your current life and do not blame us Russians, the benefactors of Poland and savers of humanity. For we always come back :-)

    Dear, I am a bearer of this culture and live here in the midst of it, like my ancestors

    You do it little credit.

    Despite ‘horrors of bolshevism’ they somehow enjoyed their life, won the war and gave life to me and many decent people.

    Did you know some people even survived concentration camps?

    So did Bulgakov, Gagarin, Korolev – their lives were not easy living, yet few of them would prefer another one.

    Bulgakov despised Sovok and tried to leave but was denied.

    We don’t cry victims and blame somebody else.

    You don’t blame the West for what your Sovok elite did to its and your country in the 1990s?

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  • @Gerard2

    Everyone in the video in Rivne speaks Ukrainian. You failed again, Sharikov.
     
    hahahahaha you dumb prick.......you didn't listen ( or rather, can't understand Ukrainian or Russian) to the video, did you you dumb POS?

    Conclusive ( and about a billion other things on top of that) proof of Russian as dominant language in an "Ukrainian" heartland

    Do you want the Yushchenko video's posted again also?

    No, I listened and it was in Ukrainian. Maybe Sovok didn’t post the right video?

    Do you want the Yushchenko video’s posted again also?

    The one where you tried to prove that Polish, Russian and Ukrainian are the same language? Very funny, Sharikov.

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    No, I listened and it was in Ukrainian
     
    Another straightforward lie.....that rather shameless you keep this up as befits a spambot troll f**tard ( that OK Anatoly?)

    Quite shameful

    AK: At least AP is capable of writing in a civilized manner that doesn't repel anybody who reads him. Perhaps you could take the hint? Then I won't have to trim your comments.


    The one where you tried to prove that Polish, Russian and Ukrainian are the same language? Very funny, Sharikov.

     

    Again ,fantasist drivel.

    Maybe you can be useful though for once in your POS non-existence.....do you know if there was an outbreak of beubonic plague, or something like that, which made all foreign teams refuse to be based in Lvov for Euro 2012? in a quite exceedingly embarassing circumstance for the people of Lvov and "Ukraine"
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  • Transylvanian Morning. I have been unable to follow most of the last week's comments, and probably won't catch up. But FWIW, I enjoyed the gearhead debates at Thorfinnsson's Take on Tesla, the Dmitry vs. Polish Perspective debate on who was or was not in Israel, and reiner Tor's instructions on cold showers. Now that I...
  • @AP
    Was the monument to the conquest n 1939? If so I can understand it. Hungarians shot a bunch of Ukrainians back then. It would be like Hungarians tolerating a monument to the Soviet invaders of 1956 in Hungary.

    Nevermind, I looked it up. Yeah, vandalizing it is simply wrong.

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  • @reiner Tor
    It contributes, but Ukrainian nationalists have repeatedly damaged the monument to the Hungarian conquest of the Carpathian basin long before that, it needed to be repaired in 2008, for example. What I don’t get is that they won: there’s little chance of a border change in Hungary’s favor. So why can’t they be a little magnanimous?

    Was the monument to the conquest n 1939? If so I can understand it. Hungarians shot a bunch of Ukrainians back then. It would be like Hungarians tolerating a monument to the Soviet invaders of 1956 in Hungary.

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    Nevermind, I looked it up. Yeah, vandalizing it is simply wrong.
    , @reiner Tor
    Well, there were two separate monuments, both commemorating the Hungarian conquest in the late 9th century. The Verecke Pass was where the nomads came in, so that's where the monuments were placed.

    The first monument was put there in the late 19th century, but it was destroyed by the Soviets in the late 1940s. Another monument was put in place (still there) commemorating the Ukrainians (members of the Carpathian Sich) shot by Hungarians in 1939. By the way the Hungarian Wikipedia claims (I didn't check) that actually it's a myth created by the Soviets. The Hungarian version of events is that no prisoners were shot, all who were killed were killed in action, and there were Hungarian casualties, too. It'd be interesting to find out the facts, especially Hungarian historians should look into this deeper. In any event, the leaders and members of the Carpathian Sich were amnestied in Hungary, even those who fled to Poland were allowed to return, but then the Soviets searched for them and sent to the Gulag anyone they could find. (It didn't prevent them from erecting the monument to the Sich members ostensibly killed by Hungary, whether true or not.)

    Then in the 1990s a new monument was erected a few kilometers from the original (as part of the Ukrainian-Hungarian friendship treaty back in the early 1990s, paid for by Hungary), but it was regularly vandalized, probably by Ukrainian nationalists.

    I don't think any monument is needed for the 1939 "conquest," especially since it was so short-lived, nothing good came out of it for Hungary or anyone else.
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  • AP says:
    @reiner Tor
    Humans are very good ultra-runners. Very few other animals are even capable of running for 12 hours with little interruptions, even running a marathon in under 4 hours is a difficulty for most animals. I’m not saying humans are the very best long distance runners, but we’re close enough to the top.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_versus_Horse_Marathon?wprov=sfti1

    This video is well worth watching: an African hunter from a very primitive tribe hunting as was done prior to the invention of bows and arrows. Essentially he spends hours and hours tracking and chasing the prey until it finally collapses from exhaustion and he walks up to it and kills it:

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    The San are an interesting people who were almost wiped out by the Bantu. Their original break was about 300,000 years ago, with some admixture since then. That means that language is at least 300,000 years old.
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  • @Bliss

    And Nazism did have significant anti-Christian strains, with the most extreme views regarding Christianity as a Jewish plot to weaken the Aryan race.
     
    Please show us where and when Hitler denigrated Christianity as a “Jewish plot”. Instead in his own recorded words he was invariably pro-Christian:

    We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.

    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Passau, 27 October 1928, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]


    We are determined, as leaders of the nation, to fulfill as a national government the task which has been given to us, swearing fidelity only to God, our conscience, and our Volk.... This the national government will regard its first and foremost duty to restore the unity of spirit and purpose of our Volk. It will preserve and defend the foundations upon which the power of our nation rests. It will take Christianity, as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus of our Volk and state, under its firm protection....May God Almighty take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our insight, and endow us with the trust of our Volk.

    -Adolf Hitler, on 1 Feb. 1933, addressing the German nation as Chancellor for the first time, Volkischer Beobachter, 5 Aug. 1935, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich]


    We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933


    We will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us.

    -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept. 1938.

    So all public speeches.

    You really are gullible, aren’t you?

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  • @reiner Tor
    These Ukrainians are really insecure. Hungary has no army to speak of. No plans to develop that army. It has a quarter of the population of Ukraine. The Hungarian minority is only 150,000 people (and probably less) in a country of 40 million. Any separatism or border changing military action could easily be dealt with by sending in a platoon of Ukrainian riot police. But they have to be assholes with the Hungarian minority.

    I agree, that is a rotten thing to do. Reaction to Hungary making a big deal out of the school language reforms?

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    It contributes, but Ukrainian nationalists have repeatedly damaged the monument to the Hungarian conquest of the Carpathian basin long before that, it needed to be repaired in 2008, for example. What I don’t get is that they won: there’s little chance of a border change in Hungary’s favor. So why can’t they be a little magnanimous?
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  • AP says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    The distances between New York and Florida, Texas, Arizona, and California didn't prevent all of these states from experiencing massive population growth in the 20th and early 21st centuries, though.

    The other thing is that places like Moldova are hardly a “sunbelt.” In January Chisinau’s average high temperature is only 33.4 degrees F, it’s average low is 24 degrees. In Odessa it is 36 and 27 degrees, respectively. In Sevastopol – 41 and 29 degrees, respectively. Sevastopol is about the same as Washington DC in winter (indeed, slightly colder), which is no Sun Belt.

    While this is much warmer than Moscow, it is no Florida and California.

    Central Asia isn’t much better. Tashkent has a high of 44.4 and low of 29.3 in winter. And in summer average highs are in the mid 90s.

    The only true “Sun Belt” in Russia or on Slavic areas was in a narrow strip of land around Sochi.

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  • @German_reader

    Very nice people, btw, your views of them my change if you ever have the chance to spend some time in Utah
     
    I actually was once approached by a Mormon missionary on public transport in my city. Very polite guy, and certainly there's a lot to be said in favour of the Mormon lifestyle. I still think their beliefs are bizarre though, since Joseph Smith was quite obviously a con man. Much better than Islam though, I guess.

    As for why the Greco-Roman world was eclipsed, I highly recommend the Eastern Orthodox scholar Hart’s book : Atheist Delusions.
     
    I may look into it, though frankly it sounds a bit too much like Christian apologetics for my taste. I don't doubt that Christianity in some ways brought changes that could be seen as a moral advance, like greater concern for the poor or a moderation (and in the longer term abolition) of slavery, or the end of the gladiatorial games. I just think Christians ignore the more dubious sides rather too much, and talk too much about things like Christians rescuing exposed infants (which is impossible to quantify), while downplaying issues like religious violence and the increasingly harsh legislation of the Christian emperors against other beliefs.
    But thanks for the recommendation, always welcome.

    Another random article about Mormons and beauty:

    https://www.allure.com/story/why-so-many-beauty-bloggers-are-mormon

    I remember in some diner in Utah my wife observed that every one of the waitresses looked like a contestant in a beauty pageant, as one would imagine from the early 60s.

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    I’d say that becoming nihilistic atheists and purposeless hedonists obviously did us a lot of harm, but Europe was not exactly at its most religious when it ruled the world. So maybe not much correlation.

    It was still rather religious in the 19th century. Spain peaked in the 16th century. The Spain of that time was the only place in history to totally de-Islamify a place. Not even the tsars like Ivan the Terrible nor Bolsheviks had the will to do that.

    France was the first to go secular and unsurprisingly the first to fall.

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    @German_reader

    Very nice people, btw, your views of them my change if you ever have the chance to spend some time in Utah
     
    I actually was once approached by a Mormon missionary on public transport in my city. Very polite guy, and certainly there's a lot to be said in favour of the Mormon lifestyle. I still think their beliefs are bizarre though, since Joseph Smith was quite obviously a con man. Much better than Islam though, I guess.

    As for why the Greco-Roman world was eclipsed, I highly recommend the Eastern Orthodox scholar Hart’s book : Atheist Delusions.
     
    I may look into it, though frankly it sounds a bit too much like Christian apologetics for my taste. I don't doubt that Christianity in some ways brought changes that could be seen as a moral advance, like greater concern for the poor or a moderation (and in the longer term abolition) of slavery, or the end of the gladiatorial games. I just think Christians ignore the more dubious sides rather too much, and talk too much about things like Christians rescuing exposed infants (which is impossible to quantify), while downplaying issues like religious violence and the increasingly harsh legislation of the Christian emperors against other beliefs.
    But thanks for the recommendation, always welcome.

    I actually was once approached by a Mormon missionary on public transport in my city. Very polite guy, and certainly there’s a lot to be said in favour of the Mormon lifestyle.

    Imagine a state of such people, built in one of the most naturally beautiful places on Earth. I would also say that the girls there are among the nicest in North America. Healthy and in good shape (all those outdoors activities) but also traditionally feminine, who know how to use makeup well, etc.

    I just googled this and it’s very true:

    https://www.mormonwiki.com/Those_Beautiful_Mormon_Girls

    There is indeed a Mormon “glow.”

    Men are tall and healthy too but I wasn’t looking at them so much.

    The people are quite religious and conversion and marriage is probably the only way to be with one of them. But they are outgoing and friendly with visitors.

    Joseph Smith was quite obviously a con man.

    That he was. Perhaps God works in mysterious ways.

    I may look into it, though frankly it sounds a bit too much like Christian apologetics for my taste. I don’t doubt that Christianity in some ways brought changes that could be seen as a moral advance, like greater concern for the poor or a moderation (and in the longer term abolition) of slavery, or the end of the gladiatorial games

    The book begins by skewering the New Atheists and the false stories they peddle but them moves on the describe the fundamental way that Christianity changed how people view the world and their place in it. It isn’t simply a catalog of great things Christians have done, but much more interesting than that.

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  • @Polish Perspective
    Ethnic Russians as a percentage of the population in the former USSR - then and now.

    https://i.redd.it/mi48yq52tk311.jpg

    Did many of these people simply migrate out of the Russian sphere not to come back? I'm aware that many people who get citizenship from Kazakhstan today are ethnic Russians, but I wonder to what extent the same is true for the others. Nevertheless, if most had migrated to Russia, I would have expected the ethnic Russian share to be higher. Also, the ethnic Russian share in 1989 seems higher than I thought it was. I had read somewhere that it was only 50-60% during the USSR. The sources used are the national censuses, as can be seen in the bottom left.

    I had read somewhere that it was only 50-60% during the USSR.

    That would have been of the entire USSR, not the Russian SSR.

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  • AP says:
    @German_reader

    Really Christian areas such as Poland and Utah are doing fine in the modern world.
     
    Poland still has a birthrate well below replacement, and Mormons in Utah aren't real Christians, but weirdo cultists with beliefs that are absolutely heretical from a Christian perspective.

    Also paganism was a failure, prior to Christianity northern Europeans were rather useless savages
     
    True, but you'd have a much harder case arguing that for some of the Greco-Roman pagans of late antiquity like the emperor Julian (influenced by Christianity insofar as he wanted to reform paganism to take greater care of the poor). Christianity didn't win because everybody suddenly found it absolutely convincing, but because its adherents managed to control key positions of the state and to discriminate all other beliefs, apart from the Jews, out of existence. That's not an especially edifying story imo.

    Really Christian areas such as Poland and Utah are doing fine in the modern world.

    Poland still has a birthrate well below replacement

    Partially because a lot of young people are abroad and raising the birth rate there. IIRC Poles in Britain have replacement birth rate (or close to it).

    Mormons in Utah aren’t real Christians, but weirdo cultists with beliefs

    They are heretics but sort of a weird offshoot of Protestantism. Very nice people, btw, your views of them my change if you ever have the chance to spend some time in Utah. Well-run, prosperous, civilized place full of conservatively attractive, friendly and hardworking people. I imagine the 1950s in America was similar.

    As for why the Greco-Roman world was eclipsed, I highly recommend the Eastern Orthodox scholar Hart’s book : Atheist Delusions. Don’t be put off by its title, it’s not some ranting polemic but contains a thoughtful, well-written description of that process:

    https://www.amazon.com/Atheist-Delusions-Christian-Revolution-Fashionable/dp/0300164297/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1528859579&sr=1-1&keywords=atheist+delusions

    I wouldn’t do it justice by summarizing it here, but I highly recommend it.

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    Very nice people, btw, your views of them my change if you ever have the chance to spend some time in Utah
     
    I actually was once approached by a Mormon missionary on public transport in my city. Very polite guy, and certainly there's a lot to be said in favour of the Mormon lifestyle. I still think their beliefs are bizarre though, since Joseph Smith was quite obviously a con man. Much better than Islam though, I guess.

    As for why the Greco-Roman world was eclipsed, I highly recommend the Eastern Orthodox scholar Hart’s book : Atheist Delusions.
     
    I may look into it, though frankly it sounds a bit too much like Christian apologetics for my taste. I don't doubt that Christianity in some ways brought changes that could be seen as a moral advance, like greater concern for the poor or a moderation (and in the longer term abolition) of slavery, or the end of the gladiatorial games. I just think Christians ignore the more dubious sides rather too much, and talk too much about things like Christians rescuing exposed infants (which is impossible to quantify), while downplaying issues like religious violence and the increasingly harsh legislation of the Christian emperors against other beliefs.
    But thanks for the recommendation, always welcome.
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  • @Bliss

    If Hitler believed in G-d, which I doubt, then he was talking about something more like Baal (translates into “Lord”), not Yahweh.
     
    Don’t make things up. Hitler was a baptized Catholic and he was never excommunicated. He was talking about the God of the New Testament, not “Baal”:

    My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.......In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.

    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

    You believe politicians are sincere when they give public speeches. Very cute.

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  • @Gerard2

    provided numbers for 1991, Sharikov. Again:

    In 1991 GDP PPP in 2011 dollars:

    Austria: $29,999
    Czechoslovakia: $13,947
    Hungary: $ $13,847

    Even then the only big difference in wealth, living standards happened around about after 1975

    LOL no, Sharikov.

    1975, in 2010 dollars:

    Austria: $20,193
    Czechoslovakia: $14,306
    Hungary: $14,125

    Remember that all three were about the same prior to Communism:

    In 1929 GDP PPP in 2011 dollars:

    Austria: $6,413
    Czechoslovakia: $5,704
    Hungary: $6,024
     
    LOL even with your moronic lies and misdirection and timewasting garbage you still manage to inadvertently prove exactly what I said in my post you cretin!


    You are getting very desperate now, it’s quite funn
     
    The usual projection from a freak who somehow wrote about 20 spambot algorithm non-life posts in the hour after I post one to Thorfinsson ( and the 200 you did on this thread before then---each more insidious and braindead that the previous one)

    I would think a whole failed, lunatic area of a country being effectively boycotted for one of the worlds most prestigious tournaments is actually a serious matter you cunt

    But there's billions of more things that could be said, but wasted on a sack of faeces freak as you.....like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G82mQeFKak

    how even in Rivne it's near impossible to find somebody who actually wants to speak Ukrainian. That's just one popular video randomly linked to me on Youtube suggestions today...but I could talk from experience, and people I know.........you're a messed up freak who could "talk" from fantasy.....and of course Wikipedia, the Motyl-retard section

    I assume the comments to the video are also about 80%+Russian, with the "Ukrainian" posts still done in the most Russian style possible.

    A simple thing but only the tip of the iceberg and perfect microcosm of Ukraine.

    how even in Rivne it’s near impossible to find somebody who actually wants to speak Ukrainian.

    Everyone in the video in Rivne speaks Ukrainian. You failed again, Sharikov.

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    Everyone in the video in Rivne speaks Ukrainian. You failed again, Sharikov.
     
    hahahahaha you dumb prick.......you didn't listen ( or rather, can't understand Ukrainian or Russian) to the video, did you you dumb POS?

    Conclusive ( and about a billion other things on top of that) proof of Russian as dominant language in an "Ukrainian" heartland

    Do you want the Yushchenko video's posted again also?
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  • @Old Jew
    Bolshoe Spasibo (Russian)

    Ghekuyu Faino (Rusyn)

    sf

    “Rusyn” you demonstrate is simply the Galician dialect, spoken in villages in Lviv region. The cities speak standard Ukrainian, based on the speech in Poltava in central-eastern Ukraine.

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    Most likely true. The Rusnake families arrived (were brought) from Galizien to my Bukowina town, somewhere between 1750 and 1800. How far south of Lemberg (Lviv) were their villages of origin, I do not know.
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  • AP says:
    @Gerard2

    provided numbers for 1991, Sharikov. Again:

    In 1991 GDP PPP in 2011 dollars:

    Austria: $29,999
    Czechoslovakia: $13,947
    Hungary: $ $13,847

    Even then the only big difference in wealth, living standards happened around about after 1975

    LOL no, Sharikov.

    1975, in 2010 dollars:

    Austria: $20,193
    Czechoslovakia: $14,306
    Hungary: $14,125

    Remember that all three were about the same prior to Communism:

    In 1929 GDP PPP in 2011 dollars:

    Austria: $6,413
    Czechoslovakia: $5,704
    Hungary: $6,024
     
    LOL even with your moronic lies and misdirection and timewasting garbage you still manage to inadvertently prove exactly what I said in my post you cretin!


    You are getting very desperate now, it’s quite funn
     
    The usual projection from a freak who somehow wrote about 20 spambot algorithm non-life posts in the hour after I post one to Thorfinsson ( and the 200 you did on this thread before then---each more insidious and braindead that the previous one)

    I would think a whole failed, lunatic area of a country being effectively boycotted for one of the worlds most prestigious tournaments is actually a serious matter you cunt

    But there's billions of more things that could be said, but wasted on a sack of faeces freak as you.....like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G82mQeFKak

    how even in Rivne it's near impossible to find somebody who actually wants to speak Ukrainian. That's just one popular video randomly linked to me on Youtube suggestions today...but I could talk from experience, and people I know.........you're a messed up freak who could "talk" from fantasy.....and of course Wikipedia, the Motyl-retard section

    I assume the comments to the video are also about 80%+Russian, with the "Ukrainian" posts still done in the most Russian style possible.

    A simple thing but only the tip of the iceberg and perfect microcosm of Ukraine.

    LOL even with your moronic lies and misdirection and timewasting garbage you still manage to inadvertently prove exactly what I said in my post

    Sovok can’t’ do simple math. Or read. don’t worry, I’ll teach you, Sharikov.

    Your post:

    “main divergence between the two has been AFTER the fall of communism”

    1991 was soon after Communism ended and before any supposed divergence.

    In 1991 GDP PPP in 2011 dollars:

    Austria: $29,999
    Czechoslovakia: $13,947
    Hungary: $ $13,847

    So, already diverged.

    You then wrote:

    “the only big difference in wealth, living standards happened around about after 1975″

    Already diverged in 1975:

    1975 per capita GDP PPP, in 2010 dollars:

    Austria: $20,193
    Czechoslovakia: $14,306
    Hungary: $14,125

    Before Communism, 1929:

    Austria: $6,413
    Czechoslovakia: $5,704
    Hungary: $6,024

    So before Communism, Hungary had 94% of Austria’s GDP PPP per capita.

    In 1975 Hungary had only had 70% of Austria’s GDP PPP per capita.

    Before Communism Czechoslovakia had 89% of Austria’s GDP PPP per capita.

    In 1975 Czechoslovakia had only 71% of Austria’s GDP PPP per capita.

    Of course, the longer the Communism, the bigger the divergence.

    Understand now, Sharikov?

    The usual projection from a freak who somehow wrote about 20 spambot algorithm non-life posts in the hour

    Poor Sovok is triggered :-)

    Do you need a safe space?

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    @Gerard2

    But if you like, you can ignore Poland and just compare Austria to Hungary and Czechoslovakia. All three were about the same in 1929, and diverged markedly in 1991. That’s the effect of Soviet rule and being “fed” by the USSR.
     
    hahaha- the main divergence between the two has been AFTER the fall of communism you retarded prick.
    Even then the only big difference in wealth, living standards happened around about after 1975 you dumb twat- from this period to 1991 is when the problems started to develop, until then from 1945- the 1970's then it was one big gigantic glorious leap in living standards and prosperity thanks to Stalin and others. Czechoslavakia had had their industry totally destroyed by Hitler and Austria was probably always ahead of Hungary in terms of wealth for the 200 years preceding this you dipshit freak.

    Galicia while poor by Austrian standards was richer than the Russian average (Galicia 1890 income $1,947 in 2010 dollars, compared to $1,550 for Russia that year), having achieved full literacy of students (not not population) by 1910.
     
    Again , retarded fantasist garbage.
    One thing amusing about shithole Galicia, still after all these years entirely reliant on Russians and Russian money:_ it had the ignominy of all the teams in the Euro 2012 football tournament REFUSING to base themselves there. France very willingly enjoyed staying at their base in the high-class facility and city of Donetsk, absolutely NONE of the teams stayed in Western Ukraine , Lvov.

    Quite unheard of in a football tournament for there to be an empty city/region like that.

    So, France stayed in Donetsk, Ukraine I supposed, reluctantly had to base themselves in Ukraine.....and Sweden were the only other team that stayed in Ukraine ( Kiev)...and that was because they had unusually been drawn to play all their matches in Kiev, I suspect if this had not been the case ( 1 match in Kiev and 2 in Lvov), then they would have just stayed in poland, or thought about flying from Stockholm for each match



    This humiliation of Galician retards at a prestigious event ( one of the few opportunities to boost tourism, that of course failed to materialise there) is like a flower shop that doesn't sell any flowers on Valentines Day or a pub not selling any Guinness in Ireland or New York on Saint Patrick's Day

    hahaha- the main divergence between the two has been AFTER the fall of communism you retarded prick.

    I provided numbers for 1991, Sharikov. Again:

    In 1991 GDP PPP in 2011 dollars:

    Austria: $29,999
    Czechoslovakia: $13,947
    Hungary: $ $13,847

    Even then the only big difference in wealth, living standards happened around about after 1975

    LOL no, Sharikov.

    1975, in 2010 dollars:

    Austria: $20,193
    Czechoslovakia: $14,306
    Hungary: $14,125

    Remember that all three were about the same prior to Communism:

    In 1929 GDP PPP in 2011 dollars:

    Austria: $6,413
    Czechoslovakia: $5,704
    Hungary: $6,024

    It’s just a story of ongoing degradation under Communism.

    France very willingly enjoyed staying at their base in the high-class facility and city of Donetsk, absolutely NONE of the teams stayed in Western Ukraine , Lvov

    You are getting very desperate now, it’s quite funny :-)

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    provided numbers for 1991, Sharikov. Again:

    In 1991 GDP PPP in 2011 dollars:

    Austria: $29,999
    Czechoslovakia: $13,947
    Hungary: $ $13,847

    Even then the only big difference in wealth, living standards happened around about after 1975

    LOL no, Sharikov.

    1975, in 2010 dollars:

    Austria: $20,193
    Czechoslovakia: $14,306
    Hungary: $14,125

    Remember that all three were about the same prior to Communism:

    In 1929 GDP PPP in 2011 dollars:

    Austria: $6,413
    Czechoslovakia: $5,704
    Hungary: $6,024
     
    LOL even with your moronic lies and misdirection and timewasting garbage you still manage to inadvertently prove exactly what I said in my post you cretin!


    You are getting very desperate now, it’s quite funn
     
    The usual projection from a freak who somehow wrote about 20 spambot algorithm non-life posts in the hour after I post one to Thorfinsson ( and the 200 you did on this thread before then---each more insidious and braindead that the previous one)

    I would think a whole failed, lunatic area of a country being effectively boycotted for one of the worlds most prestigious tournaments is actually a serious matter you cunt

    But there's billions of more things that could be said, but wasted on a sack of faeces freak as you.....like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G82mQeFKak

    how even in Rivne it's near impossible to find somebody who actually wants to speak Ukrainian. That's just one popular video randomly linked to me on Youtube suggestions today...but I could talk from experience, and people I know.........you're a messed up freak who could "talk" from fantasy.....and of course Wikipedia, the Motyl-retard section

    I assume the comments to the video are also about 80%+Russian, with the "Ukrainian" posts still done in the most Russian style possible.

    A simple thing but only the tip of the iceberg and perfect microcosm of Ukraine.
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  • AP says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    Could you please respond to my question in the last paragraph of post #619?

    Indeed, I’ll repost this question right here:

    “Also, as a side note, had Russia permanently been able to keep Novorossiya and Bessarabia, do you think that these territories–along with Central Asia–would have eventually become Russia’s version of the Sun Belt? Indeed, here in the U.S., the states in the Sun Belt (southern U.S.) experienced extremely massive growth over the last 70 years whereas most of the other U.S. states didn’t grow anywhere near as fast. In turn, I am wondering if Russians could have likewise flocked en masse to sunny areas throughout the 20th and 21st centuries had Russia avoided going Bolshevik in 1917.”

    Indeed, here in the U.S., the states in the Sun Belt (southern U.S.) experienced extremely massive growth over the last 70 years whereas most of the other U.S. states didn’t grow anywhere near as fast. In turn, I am wondering if Russians could have likewise flocked en masse to sunny areas throughout the 20th and 21st centuries had Russia avoided going Bolshevik in 1917.

    Maybe. Although the distances from these places to the industrial and established commercial zones may have been too great. The Carolinas are still only a days drive from New York City, after all.

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    The distances between New York and Florida, Texas, Arizona, and California didn't prevent all of these states from experiencing massive population growth in the 20th and early 21st centuries, though.
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  • Transylvanian Morning. I have been unable to follow most of the last week's comments, and probably won't catch up. But FWIW, I enjoyed the gearhead debates at Thorfinnsson's Take on Tesla, the Dmitry vs. Polish Perspective debate on who was or was not in Israel, and reiner Tor's instructions on cold showers. Now that I...
  • AP says:
    @German_reader
    On some level you're right, but the kind of society some Christian right-wingers long for (everybody believes, and it's completely uncontroversial that everything is ordered according to Christian morality) is impossible imo under modern conditions. It's no less a fantasy than the ideas of people who think one could just go back to paganism. And I very much doubt Christian belief would be a magical solution to all of Europe's problems either.

    On some level you’re right, but the kind of society some Christian right-wingers long for (everybody believes, and it’s completely uncontroversial that everything is ordered according to Christian morality) is impossible imo under modern conditions.

    Why? Really Christian areas such as Poland and Utah (okay Mormonism is a rather wild heresy but still..) are doing fine in the modern world. And there are still plenty of real practicing Christians in fallen places too.

    It’s no less a fantasy than the ideas of people who think one could just go back to paganism.

    Completely different, because paganism has not existed for 1000-1600 years. So the modern version is total fake reconstruction. Also paganism was a failure, prior to Christianity northern Europeans were rather useless savages.

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    Really Christian areas such as Poland and Utah are doing fine in the modern world.
     
    Poland still has a birthrate well below replacement, and Mormons in Utah aren't real Christians, but weirdo cultists with beliefs that are absolutely heretical from a Christian perspective.

    Also paganism was a failure, prior to Christianity northern Europeans were rather useless savages
     
    True, but you'd have a much harder case arguing that for some of the Greco-Roman pagans of late antiquity like the emperor Julian (influenced by Christianity insofar as he wanted to reform paganism to take greater care of the poor). Christianity didn't win because everybody suddenly found it absolutely convincing, but because its adherents managed to control key positions of the state and to discriminate all other beliefs, apart from the Jews, out of existence. That's not an especially edifying story imo.
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  • Vladislav Pravdin - GREAT STALIN (1949). It is our joy that during the hard years of the war the Red Army and the Soviet people were led by the wise and experienced leader of the Soviet Union - the GREAT STALIN. And now for something completely different. Instead of snippets from larger works, here’s Egor...
  • AP says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Bulgakov was personally protected by Stalin. Even the worst people have their redeeming points. He wrote more than “Heart of a Dog”, his “The fatal Eggs” are just as revealing, although “The Master and Margarita” is more balanced.
    BTW, Animal farm is pro-Trotskyite, if you take it literally. But in reality it is much more than that. Better than “1984”, if you ask me, although “newspeak” and comrade Ogilvy story describes current US propaganda better than anything.

    Bulgakov was personally protected by Stalin. Even the worst people have their redeeming points.

    Agreed. He was still persecuted by the system, Stalin intervened to keep him alive.

    BTW, Animal farm is pro-Trotskyite, if you take it literally.

    Yes, which is why I like Heart of a Dog more. I read Master and Margarita in my late teens, that book and Dostoyevsky helped me to regain my faith.

    Better than “1984”, if you ask me, although “newspeak” and comrade Ogilvy story describes current US propaganda better than anything.

    I generally agree with this also.

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    Could you please respond to my question in the last paragraph of post #619?

    Indeed, I’ll repost this question right here:

    “Also, as a side note, had Russia permanently been able to keep Novorossiya and Bessarabia, do you think that these territories–along with Central Asia–would have eventually become Russia’s version of the Sun Belt? Indeed, here in the U.S., the states in the Sun Belt (southern U.S.) experienced extremely massive growth over the last 70 years whereas most of the other U.S. states didn’t grow anywhere near as fast. In turn, I am wondering if Russians could have likewise flocked en masse to sunny areas throughout the 20th and 21st centuries had Russia avoided going Bolshevik in 1917.”
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  • AP says:
    @AnonFromTN
    As a matter of fact, Bulgakov was never persecuted. He knew what can and cannot be published, though, so he kept “The Master and Margarita” in the table, so to speak. He started writing before Bolsheviks (Doctor’s tales), but his talent blossomed after 1917 (that does not mean that it blossomed due to 1917). In fact, Bolshevik/Soviet regime failed to kill the literary tradition in Russia, whereas after 1991 the field is essentially barren. Go figure.

    As a matter of fact, Bulgakov was never persecuted

    His works were censored and he was banned from participating in the theater. He asked o be allowed to move West but was prevented from doing so.

    I suppose in Sovok-world not getting executed or sent to the gulag qualifies as not being persecuted.

    He started writing before the Soviets, was persecuted by him, did not like them, and you somehow use him as an example of Soviet literature or literary tradition.

    In fact, Bolshevik/Soviet regime failed to kill the literary tradition in Russia

    I wrote largely killed – not completely. Even they couldn’t manage to do that. The literary product of the Soviet union was a pale shadow of pre-Commie Golden and Silver ages of Russian literature.

    whereas after 1991 the field is essentially barren

    Bykov or Pelevin aren’t worse than Soviet-era literature.

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    In my book, Bykov and Pelevin are midgets next to Prilepin. Next to Bulgakov or Sholokhov (or whoever wrote “And quiet flows the Don”) they would be invisible microbes. Even Chkhartishvili (Akunin) writes better prose (although by Belinski’s classification it is belletristik, rather than literature).
    , @reiner Tor

    More than half of Millennials expect to be millionaires someday, according to a new study
     
    I first read Master and Margarita in my parents’ 1970s first Hungarian edition. My brother told me that the last sentence in the book was “the cruel fifth Procurator of Judea, the rider Pontius Pilate,” and I checked, but it was an epilogue written by a Hungarian literature professor, and the last sentence was something like “Bulgakov is considered one of the greatest figures of Soviet literature.” I couldn’t stop laughing.
    , @Gerard2

    I suppose in Sovok-world not getting executed or sent to the gulag qualifies as not being persecuted.
     
    errrr.....that is the same for every country on the planet you idiot....not least America where the actual repression would classify as real and much worse than the fantasist "repression" in the USSR.

    A country that hadn' t lost million in WW2 was banning , arresting, blacklisting, blackmailing pretty much all the great negro jazz musicians, singers (look at Paul Robeson), numerous successful film directors, actors, and civil rights activists you idiot

    Bulgakov was a great Soviet writer you cretin with numerous successes during the Soviet time ( and the achievements of Russian classical music when much further into the 20th century than any other country....Russian Popular music itself was fantastic, for the time, during the Stalin era....a million miles superior to British ,germany,Italian and french popular music....only second to America's)

    By that measure every single black American jazz musician, numerous famous Hollywood film directors and musicians.....and singers were persecuted

    He started writing before the Soviets, was persecuted by him, did not like them, and you somehow use him as an example of Soviet literature or literary tradition.
     
    Wow...Charles Dickens wrote about the abusive industrialist-capitalist system and it's effect on society........does that disqualify him from being classified as a great Victorian writer you thick POS?

    Steinbeck wrote critically of the exploitative forms of capitalist America that lead to the Great Depression in his book "Grapes of Wrath"...by your retarded idiot reasoning that disqualifies him from being classified as a great 20th century American writer

    The Soviet Union itself probably contributed more to human rights than any country ever
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  • AP says:
    @Anon

    Actually the Soviets largely killed what had been the finest literary radition
     
    Bulgakov, a Russian nationalist, was somehow oppressed by Comintern-aligned left wing (may qualify as trotskysts). Yet, even before being supported personally by Stalin, Bulgakov met his success in USSR, his plays were staged, and many books published. He wrote 'White guards', opposed bolshevism in Civil War and had two brothers in emigration - still no jail no execution.

    Soviet system gave birth to Soviet, Czech and Polish cinema - part of Socialist heritage and cultural pearls in general. Nothing close exists today.

    Bulgakov, a Russian nationalist, was somehow oppressed by Comintern-aligned left wing (may qualify as trotskysts). Yet, even before being supported personally by Stalin, Bulgakov met his success in USSR, his plays were staged, and many books published.

    And his works were also banned, and he was also banned from participating in the theater, a torture for him. He was also prevented from seeing his brothers despite begging to do so.

    It seems you know as little about Russian culture as you do about Ukraine, Poland, etc.

    Or perhaps your sense of morality is so twisted, that you believe that not getting arrested and executed means he was treated well and should have been grateful? You are Sharikov?

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    you know as little about Russian culture
     
    Dear, I am a bearer of this culture and live here in the midst of it, like my ancestors. Despite 'horrors of bolshevism' they somehow enjoyed their life, won the war and gave life to me and many decent people. So did Bulgakov, Gagarin, Korolev - their lives were not easy living, yet few of them would prefer another one. We don't cry victims and blame somebody else. When compared with other nations of Europe, we have almost no nation-wide sins to repent. Please stop using wikipedia to parry the obvious things we try to communicate.

    Bulgakov made money under Socialism, just for staging his plays, had three beautiful wives, drank and played cards and pool with Mayakovsky and all the leftist writers who pretended to oppose him. Enjoy your current life and do not blame us Russians, the benefactors of Poland and savers of humanity. For we always come back :-)

    , @reiner Tor

    not getting arrested and executed means he was treated well and should have been grateful?
     
    Here’s a communist joke about Lenin. I heard it in Hungarian, but I assume it originated in the USSR, like most such jokes.

    Lenin was a very nice person.

    Once children were playing outside his office, and suddenly a ball flew in the open window and landed on his desk. He was outraged and leaned out the window and started yelling at the children: “You little c*nts, go the f*ck elsewhere, I don’t f*ckin’ want to see any of you anywhere here, f*ckers!”

    It just shows how nice person Lenin was. He could’ve had them shot on the spot!
     
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  • AP says:
    @Mikhail
    How so?

    Plenty of folks there to the contrary, with no Bandera monuments - at least the level of Galicia.

    You are just demonstrating your cluelessness. Kharkiv is the home of neo-Nazi (actual ones) like Azov battalion:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

    The Azov Battalion has its roots in a group of Ultras of FC Metalist Kharkiv named “Sect 82″ (1982 is the year of the founding of the group).[18] “Sect 82″ was (at least until September 2013) allied with FC Spartak Moscow Ultras.[18] Late February 2014, during the 2014 Ukrainian crisis when a separatist movement was active in Kharkiv, “Sect 82″ occupied the Kharkiv Oblast regional administration building in Kharkiv and served as a local “self-defense”-force.[18] Soon, on the basis of “Sect 82″ there was formed a volunteer militia called “Eastern Corps”.[18]

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    Not all. I'm perfectly aware of what your bring up. Notwithstanding, in proportionate terms, Kharkov isn't as svido as Galicia.
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  • @Anon

    Without interruption by the scumbag Americans
     
    That socialism is for losers is American ideology of success, imposed by Hollywood and dehumanizing mass culture. Even most depraved, poor and exploited still think of personal advancement only but never of equal and just society. Such ideology helps to exploit the masses, wage wars and drink the blood of the poor.

    When Ilf and Petrov (authors of '12 chairs' and 'Golden calf') visited USA in 1936, they met an old man, true 'loser' in American terminology, a poor guy with no future. When asked about social fairness, he proposed to strip the rich off their wealth, leaving only 5 mln dollars for each. That's because he still planned to become rich, despite obvious incapacity - due to American dream imposed on him.

    Why would a just society be equal?

    Justice means getting what you deserve. As men different in talents and effort, an equal society is necessarily unjust.

    What exactly is fair of stripping the rich of their wealth?

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    What exactly is fair of stripping the rich of their wealth?

    As a generality, wealth is acquired within a framework of rules. Usually those rules are made for and by the wealthy. Those rules are biased, unfair. The guillotine institutes new rules, rules that are more fair.

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  • AP says:
    @AnonFromTN
    I am talking about talent, rather than inspiration. BTW, both were quite successful in Stalin’s Russia, although the best Bulgakov’s novel, “The Master and Margarita”, was published only after Stalin’s death. The funniest thing is that Uki Nazis hate Bulgakov, as he described their ideological predecessors brutally honestly with his characteristic humor in “The White Guard”.

    . BTW, both were quite successful in Stalin’s Russia,

    Bulgakov had periods of success and he avoided being executed by Stalin liked his works, but he was also censored and his works banned at times, and he was generally made miserable by the Soviets.

    Heart of a Dog is the best novel about the Soviet experience ever, even better than Animal Farm. Sovoks are all Sharikov, of course.

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    Bulgakov was personally protected by Stalin. Even the worst people have their redeeming points. He wrote more than “Heart of a Dog”, his “The fatal Eggs” are just as revealing, although “The Master and Margarita” is more balanced.
    BTW, Animal farm is pro-Trotskyite, if you take it literally. But in reality it is much more than that. Better than “1984”, if you ask me, although “newspeak” and comrade Ogilvy story describes current US propaganda better than anything.
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  • Transylvanian Morning. I have been unable to follow most of the last week's comments, and probably won't catch up. But FWIW, I enjoyed the gearhead debates at Thorfinnsson's Take on Tesla, the Dmitry vs. Polish Perspective debate on who was or was not in Israel, and reiner Tor's instructions on cold showers. Now that I...
  • AP says:
    @German_reader
    I tend to agree with you insofar as "Europe is the faith and the faith is Europe" right-wingers get on my nerves, in their own way they're no less larping imo than people who are into Norse paganism as part of their politics. I also have a lot of issues with Christianity and can't regard its influence, especially today, as completely positive. That being said, if one wants to construct a new kind of ethics one would have to take great care not to just descend into nihilistic power worship.

    I tend to agree with you insofar as “Europe is the faith and the faith is Europe” right-wingers get on my nerves

    Why? They are correct. Europe’s greatness cannot be separated from its faith. And all of its problems stem from the erosion of this faith. I don’t think that one needs to be a believer to recognize this.

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    all of its problems stem from the erosion of this faith.

    99.9% pure bullshit
    , @German_reader
    On some level you're right, but the kind of society some Christian right-wingers long for (everybody believes, and it's completely uncontroversial that everything is ordered according to Christian morality) is impossible imo under modern conditions. It's no less a fantasy than the ideas of people who think one could just go back to paganism. And I very much doubt Christian belief would be a magical solution to all of Europe's problems either.
    , @reiner Tor
    I’d say that becoming nihilistic atheists and purposeless hedonists obviously did us a lot of harm, but Europe was not exactly at its most religious when it ruled the world. So maybe not much correlation.
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  • Vladislav Pravdin - GREAT STALIN (1949). It is our joy that during the hard years of the war the Red Army and the Soviet people were led by the wise and experienced leader of the Soviet Union - the GREAT STALIN. And now for something completely different. Instead of snippets from larger works, here’s Egor...
  • @AnonFromTN
    Soviet Russia also generated a lot of talent. Bulgakov, Blok, Mandelsham, Sholokhov, and many others in literature, Kapitsa and Landau in physics, Shostakovitch and Khachaturyan in music immediately come to mind. To the best of my knowledge post-Soviet Russia so far did not produce anything comparable (I can name only one high-class writer, Prilepin).

    Bulgakov,

    Bulgakov was generated by pre-Soviet Russia and was persecuted by Sovok. Actually the Soviets largely killed what had been the finest literary tradition in the world.

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    As a matter of fact, Bulgakov was never persecuted. He knew what can and cannot be published, though, so he kept “The Master and Margarita” in the table, so to speak. He started writing before Bolsheviks (Doctor’s tales), but his talent blossomed after 1917 (that does not mean that it blossomed due to 1917). In fact, Bolshevik/Soviet regime failed to kill the literary tradition in Russia, whereas after 1991 the field is essentially barren. Go figure.
    , @Anon

    Actually the Soviets largely killed what had been the finest literary radition
     
    Bulgakov, a Russian nationalist, was somehow oppressed by Comintern-aligned left wing (may qualify as trotskysts). Yet, even before being supported personally by Stalin, Bulgakov met his success in USSR, his plays were staged, and many books published. He wrote 'White guards', opposed bolshevism in Civil War and had two brothers in emigration - still no jail no execution.

    Soviet system gave birth to Soviet, Czech and Polish cinema - part of Socialist heritage and cultural pearls in general. Nothing close exists today.

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  • AP says:
    @Anon

    By 1910, there were about 2,000 Ukrainian-language elementary schools
     
    That means, Austrian monarchy had deliberatly constructed artificial Ukrainian language medium for future war with Russian empire. This played well in Russian civil war and beyond. Polish emigres from 1863-5 rebellion were instrumental in growing future Ukrainians de novo. They have paid dearly for their seeds of discord (massacre of 1944).

    Remind me who started Donetsk?
     
    Actually, Russian Don Cossacks and then count Vorontsov. It was built with Russian money by Russians for Russian Empire, as well as railroad in Poland or ports in Danzig or Eastern Prussia - not for independent Poland or sole Polish use.

    an originally German industrialist family in Poland.
     
    The same may be said of German officers with Polish surname, or Red Army officers and NKVD. All inhabitants of Russian Imperial Poland were somehow polonized, and enjoyed Polish culture as we do today.

    I doubt althouth that Jews in Lodz were Polonized: the local officials spoke Russsian, engineers and trade patners - either Russians or neighboring Germans. Patriotic Poles in Red Army fought with 2nd Polish republic and in Soviet courts they sentenced persons of Polish origins. They were serving the state or their ideals.


    All those Baltic Germans
     
    Major infrastructure like ports and railroads were all built by either Russian Empire or USSR. Neither Balts nor local German landlords were incapable of such major developments.

    Russian oil industry
     
    It was venture capitalism with many parts involved. Сommercial oil cracking was invented and patented by Russian engineer Shukhov in 1891.

    Yet it started from you mentioning Polish GDP as a national product created by Poles themselves through history. I have shown you that it is not so. We do not know, how developed Poland could be today or during interbellum if it had preserved its kingdom in 1974, or be a part of Napoleonic Empire, USSR, 3rd Reich etc.


    Poznan was 57% Polish
     
    Nice to hear it. But who made more affluent strata, owned buildings and industries?

    That means, Austrian monarchy had deliberatly constructed artificial Ukrainian language medium for future war with Russian empire.

    Austrians only funded the schools. Work, from standardizing the language teaching in the schools, was done by Ukrainians.

    Same thing as Russians funding Latvian schools, in order to limit the power of German barons in the Baltics. Russian monarchy didn’t “artificially create” Latvian language.

    I see you have much to learn.

    Remind me who started Donetsk?

    Actually, Russian Don Cossacks and then count Vorontsov.

    Donetsk industry was started by a Welshman, Hughes. Donetsk was originally named after him, Yuzivka.

    Russian oil industry

    It was venture capitalism with many parts involved. Сommercial oil cracking was invented and patented by Russian engineer Shukhov in 1891.

    https://www.rbth.com/business/326217-black-gold-how-russian-oil

    Oil has been extracted since ancient times, primarily for construction and medical purposes. As for the modern petroleum industry, it was born in the Russian Empire: the world’s first oil well was drilled on the Absheron Peninsula near Baku way back in 1846.

    Baku Region attracted leading petroleum companies from around the world. Here, enterprises run by the Rothschild family and the Nobel brothers vied ruthlessly with each other for supremacy. Winston Churchill once said that “if oil is a queen, Baku is her throne.”

    In the early 20th century, the Russian Empire was one of the globe’s top oil producers, occupying 30% of the market. The Revolution of 1917, Civil War and nationalization of the oil companies hit the industry hard. Still, the foreign capital didn’t leave Russia. The Rothschilds and Nobels were replaced with Standard Oil of New York and Vacuum (later known as Mobil).

    :::::::::::::::

    Nothing wrong with that. But it prove how silly you are when you point out German or Jewish families in Poland and try to say that Poles were mostly just peasants. As if Russians weren’t, either.

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  • @AP

    There were no Galician kids. There were German ruling class kids, Jewish kids going to heder, Rusin intelligentia kids going to their church schools to learn Russian, and the local peasantry learning whatever church basic education was.
     
    By 1910, there were about 2,000 Ukrainian-language elementary schools in Galicia, in addition to reading rooms and church schools. School attendance in Galicia increased from 15.5% in 1855 to 71% in 1900 to basically full attendance by 1910. Literacy of the adult population improved from 17.3% of men and 10.3% of women in 1880 to 44% in 1900 and 59% in 1910; it was most likely in the low 60s by the start of World War I. Ukrainians were about 40% of Galicia's population but about 50% of the new schools built in the early 20th century were Ukrainian-language schools.

    Consult a map.

    You can list Russian governancies yourself.
     
    And you can see that the Poland of the 1920s was not limited to those.

    There were Russian railroad, German shipbuilding, Jewish textile factories – islands in the sea of Polish villages.
     
    Strange argument from a Russian. Remind me who started Donetsk? How about famous Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg? All those Baltic Germans and their outsized role? Guess who started the Russian oil industry, in Baku?

    Most of whom were Polonized

    Polonized to be betrayed, gassed and burned in 1942-1944.
     
    One of my friends comes from an originally German industrialist family in Poland. He has the German surname but the family married into Polish nobility on the 19th century, were fully Polonized, and indeed were patriotic Poles, fighting against the Germans.

    By 1910, there were about 2,000 Ukrainian-language elementary schools in Galicia

    Actually about 2,500. This doesn’t include church schools, reading rooms, etc.

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  • AP says:
    @Anon
    Were these technical problems due to chance? To me this doesn't seem to reflect well on the Ukrainian military.

    The dugout thing is strange and reflects badly on the test as an aid to eventual combat operations; something should be done about that.

    Were these technical problems due to chance? To me this doesn’t seem to reflect well on the Ukrainian military.

    You are correct, it is indeed scandalous that the soldiers were given tanks that couldn’t shoot at at the beginning, costing a lot of points. The Ukrainian soldiers were really outraged by that. It doesn’t reflect badly on the troops, at least.

    But the bottom line, if not for those two problems it looks like Ukrainians would have outperformed the Brits and the Americans, and come close to the Poles whom they beat last year when they didn’t have that problem.

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  • Vladislav Pravdin - GREAT STALIN (1949). It is our joy that during the hard years of the war the Red Army and the Soviet people were led by the wise and experienced leader of the Soviet Union - the GREAT STALIN. And now for something completely different. Instead of snippets from larger works, here’s Egor...
  • @Anon

    after WW2, not in 1919
     
    OK, take Poznan (Pozen). Same rathaus, churches, German streets and buildings, nostalgic grandpas. Go visit it yourself to see. It is quite amusing that in German Breslau Poles placed 'Raclawitska panorama', a fantasy painting of how Kostiuzsko defeated the Russians. Running and crying bearded cossacks, surrendered Russians officers, picturesque manly Poles are in abundance. All this fantasy was sponsored by Austrian intelligence in Lvov circa 1894 (as preparation to WW1), center of vile anti-Russian polonism and ukrainism. The results are Ukro-Polish divide and UPA atrocities with Polish exodus from Western Ukraine.

    OK, take Poznan (Pozen). Same rathaus, churches, German streets and buildings, nostalgic grandpas.

    In 1910 Poznan was 57% Polish.

    Your cluelessness is endless, apparently.

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  • AP says:
    @Anon

    By 1910 all Galician kids were literate.
     
    There were no Galician kids. There were German ruling class kids, Jewish kids going to heder, Rusin intelligentia kids going to their church schools to learn Russian, and the local peasantry learning whatever church basic education was.

    Consult a map.
     
    You can list Russian governancies yourself. Lodz, being industrially developed by Imperial Russia, was one of the primary targets of German invasion, and even temporarily capital of postwar Poland. There were Russian railroad, German shipbuilding, Jewish textile factories - islands in the sea of Polish villages.

    Most of whom were Polonized
     
    Polonized to be betrayed, gassed and burned in 1942-1944.

    There were no Galician kids. There were German ruling class kids, Jewish kids going to heder, Rusin intelligentia kids going to their church schools to learn Russian, and the local peasantry learning whatever church basic education was.

    By 1910, there were about 2,000 Ukrainian-language elementary schools in Galicia, in addition to reading rooms and church schools. School attendance in Galicia increased from 15.5% in 1855 to 71% in 1900 to basically full attendance by 1910. Literacy of the adult population improved from 17.3% of men and 10.3% of women in 1880 to 44% in 1900 and 59% in 1910; it was most likely in the low 60s by the start of World War I. Ukrainians were about 40% of Galicia’s population but about 50% of the new schools built in the early 20th century were Ukrainian-language schools.

    Consult a map.

    You can list Russian governancies yourself.

    And you can see that the Poland of the 1920s was not limited to those.

    There were Russian railroad, German shipbuilding, Jewish textile factories – islands in the sea of Polish villages.

    Strange argument from a Russian. Remind me who started Donetsk? How about famous Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg? All those Baltic Germans and their outsized role? Guess who started the Russian oil industry, in Baku?

    Most of whom were Polonized

    Polonized to be betrayed, gassed and burned in 1942-1944.

    One of my friends comes from an originally German industrialist family in Poland. He has the German surname but the family married into Polish nobility on the 19th century, were fully Polonized, and indeed were patriotic Poles, fighting against the Germans.

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    By 1910, there were about 2,000 Ukrainian-language elementary schools in Galicia
     
    Actually about 2,500. This doesn't include church schools, reading rooms, etc.
    , @Anon

    By 1910, there were about 2,000 Ukrainian-language elementary schools
     
    That means, Austrian monarchy had deliberatly constructed artificial Ukrainian language medium for future war with Russian empire. This played well in Russian civil war and beyond. Polish emigres from 1863-5 rebellion were instrumental in growing future Ukrainians de novo. They have paid dearly for their seeds of discord (massacre of 1944).

    Remind me who started Donetsk?
     
    Actually, Russian Don Cossacks and then count Vorontsov. It was built with Russian money by Russians for Russian Empire, as well as railroad in Poland or ports in Danzig or Eastern Prussia - not for independent Poland or sole Polish use.

    an originally German industrialist family in Poland.
     
    The same may be said of German officers with Polish surname, or Red Army officers and NKVD. All inhabitants of Russian Imperial Poland were somehow polonized, and enjoyed Polish culture as we do today.

    I doubt althouth that Jews in Lodz were Polonized: the local officials spoke Russsian, engineers and trade patners - either Russians or neighboring Germans. Patriotic Poles in Red Army fought with 2nd Polish republic and in Soviet courts they sentenced persons of Polish origins. They were serving the state or their ideals.


    All those Baltic Germans
     
    Major infrastructure like ports and railroads were all built by either Russian Empire or USSR. Neither Balts nor local German landlords were incapable of such major developments.

    Russian oil industry
     
    It was venture capitalism with many parts involved. Сommercial oil cracking was invented and patented by Russian engineer Shukhov in 1891.

    Yet it started from you mentioning Polish GDP as a national product created by Poles themselves through history. I have shown you that it is not so. We do not know, how developed Poland could be today or during interbellum if it had preserved its kingdom in 1974, or be a part of Napoleonic Empire, USSR, 3rd Reich etc.


    Poznan was 57% Polish
     
    Nice to hear it. But who made more affluent strata, owned buildings and industries?
    , @Gerard2

    Strange argument from a Russian. Remind me who started Donetsk? How about famous Baltic Shipyard in St. Petersburg? All those Baltic Germans and their outsized role? Guess who started the Russian oil industry, in Baku?
     
    lol...Bizarre, retard argument.



    Russia has independently started and built plenty of it's own industries/cities you idiot. All your cretinism shows is that any westernisation Ukraine has had was because of either Russian impulses or Russian money from Saint Peterburg.

    All those projects you list were done from RUSSIAN MONEY you cretin, same as all of Ukraine has either Russians or Russian money to thank, as was the case in the first bridge of the river Dnieper which was built by the Irish and British, with payment witheld because just after finishing the Bridge the Crimean war started. So Russian money, not straightforward parasitism ,as was the case of in Poland/Latvia/Estonia ,where all it's infrastructure was because of CONQUERING powers, not their own initiative you idiot.

    Now compare the great Russian engineers, scientists ,classical music composers, artists, novelists ( is there even such a thing as Polish "literature"), architects, performance artists....now compare all these spheres of intellectual achievement from Russia....and compare it to the pitifully inept and low tally from Poland, way out of disproportion to its population you thick POS.
    Chopin and Curie got by most of their live pretending they were French, so the list of Polish ability at intellectualism is practically nil.
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  • @reiner Tor

    What I find noteworthy about lend-lease isn’t the actual weapons the USSR received (which other than the P-39 Airacobra they generally didn’t like and relegated to secondary fronts)
     
    Sherman medium battle tanks were deployed with Guards units. I think they must've liked them more than the T-34/85.

    the Germans also had allies
     
    Hungary sent one corps in 1941, which was withdrawn by November. Then one army (with roughly 200,000 troops) in 1942. It was poorly led and trained (Hungary was under a much stricter armament restrictions regime than Germany, because the country was smaller and secret armament programs much harder to hide, it was also poorer, and the restrictions only ended in 1938), and was destroyed by a numerically not superior Soviet force in January 1943.

    After that, until the summer of 1944, several hundred thousands served as occupying troops in the East. They were usually quite brutal to the population, but also ineffective against armed partisans, so kinda the worst of both worlds.

    Hungarian troops were also used in Poland, and they weren't brutal there, in fact, they were fraternizing with the population and the Armia Krajowa, and actually gave weapons and ammunition to the latter. Some Hungarian troops were also sent to suppress the Warsaw Uprising, but the idea of fighting the Poles was highly unpopular. The troops refused to shoot at the Polish soldiers/insurgents, and instead occasionally shot at the Germans. The Hungarian high command sent them strict orders prohibiting them to shoot at the Germans or provide weapons or ammunition to the Poles, ordering them to actually fight the Poles seemed unrealistic even to the collaborationist high command in Budapest.

    Anyway, I'd guess Hungary was worth something to Hitler. But not nearly as much as a similar sized (population 14 million) chunk of the USSR to Stalin.

    Romania allocated more resources to the front (I think more than half of their troops were fighting the Soviets until August 1944), but even they kept a third of their troops on the Hungarian border (half the Hungarian army was opposed to it), and of course their troops were probably worse in terms of quality or equipment than Soviet troops. Definitely not worth as much as a similarly sized part of the USSR.

    Then there was Finland, which was poorer than Germany, but its troops were great. But it was very small.

    Bulgaria didn't fight the USSR. Other countries at most sent one division (maybe Slovakia two divisions?), those were basically rounding errors.

    The armament industry in France ground to a standstill after 1940, and they effectively sabotaged production.

    Mark Harrison
     
    In my opinion he's quite optimistic regarding whether lend-lease could've been replaced, but perhaps it would've been possible (at the price of starving to death a large portion of the population). But the big problem would've been not lend-lease, but the tens of thousands of 88mm (8,8 cm in then German terminology) tubes and thousands of aircraft etc. appearing on the Eastern Front. Not to mention that some troops could've been demobilized (and sent to the armaments industry) or sent to the Eastern Front, etc.

    Hungarian troops were also used in Poland, and they weren’t brutal there, in fact, they were fraternizing with the population and the Armia Krajowa, and actually gave weapons and ammunition to the latter.

    Hungarians were also a source of weapons for UPA.

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  • AP says:
    @Anon

    achieved full literacy of students
     
    Excuse me, what?

    former Russian parts of Poland
     
    There were no Russian 'parts' of Poland, whole future independent Poland from Lodz to Warsaw was Russian with major industries and railways constructed by Imperial Russia. Poland was more densely populated and multi-national, and under Russian Empire the relatively small lands of 'near-Vistula region' were divided in surprisingly many governances (gubernias). Many Jews lived there before the war, and those millions were mostly slaughtered in local deathcamps. E.g. famous factories of Lodz were founded and managed by Jews. The same is true for Cracow with major Jewish district completely depopulated in ww2. Poles expelled Germans in 1919, then together they 'finally solved the Jewish issue', and then Poles again expelled Germans from Western Poland, and settled in parts of Eastern Prussia. Needles to say, in former Imperial German and Austrian regions of Polish republic, industries were founded by Germans and Jews. So one may conclude that

    Poland’s poorest and most backward parts were the ones
     
    inhabited by Poles themselves (rural areas).

    achieved full literacy of students

    Excuse me, what?

    By 1910 all Galician kids were literate. Overall literacy was in the 60s %. Galicia was more literate than ethnic Russia.

    You didn’t know that? :-)

    former Russian parts of Poland

    There were no Russian ‘parts’ of Poland, whole future independent Poland from Lodz to Warsaw was Russian

    Consult a map.

    Needles to say, in former Imperial German and Austrian regions of Polish republic, industries were founded by Germans and Jews.

    Most of whom were Polonized, particularly the Germans.

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    By 1910 all Galician kids were literate.
     
    There were no Galician kids. There were German ruling class kids, Jewish kids going to heder, Rusin intelligentia kids going to their church schools to learn Russian, and the local peasantry learning whatever church basic education was.

    Consult a map.
     
    You can list Russian governancies yourself. Lodz, being industrially developed by Imperial Russia, was one of the primary targets of German invasion, and even temporarily capital of postwar Poland. There were Russian railroad, German shipbuilding, Jewish textile factories - islands in the sea of Polish villages.

    Most of whom were Polonized
     
    Polonized to be betrayed, gassed and burned in 1942-1944.
    , @Mikhail

    By 1910 all Galician kids were literate. Overall literacy was in the 60s %. Galicia was more literate than ethnic Russia.
     
    Goes in the oh and so category of svido talking points. Galicia did such as part of a non non-Ukrainian ruled empire. Russia being a much larger area.

    Yesterday, I came across a stat saying that Russia now has a higher literacy rate than the US.

    Concerning the present, Galicia seems to have a greater per capita number of crackpot nationalists than ethnic Russia, as evidenced by the number of commemorations to Bandera.

    Pre-Soviet Russia has a rich literary tradition, which includes having nurtured such great technically inclined individuals like the Kiev born Russian Igor Sikorsky.

    , @Mikhail

    By 1910 all Galician kids were literate. Overall literacy was in the 60s %. Galicia was more literate than ethnic Russia.
     
    Goes in the oh and so category of svido talking points. Galicia did such as part of a non-Ukrainian ruled empire, with Russia being a much larger area. It's has been universally observed that on a number of issues, larger areas with a greater population can be more difficult to advance/manage.

    Yesterday, I came across a stat saying that Russia now has a higher literacy rate than the US.

    Concerning the present, Galicia seems to have a greater per capita number of crackpot nationalists than ethnic Russia, as evidenced by the number of commemorations to Bandera.

    Pre-Soviet Russia has a rich literary tradition, which includes having nurtured such great technically inclined individuals like the Kiev born Russian Igor Sikorsky.
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  • Transylvanian Morning. I have been unable to follow most of the last week's comments, and probably won't catch up. But FWIW, I enjoyed the gearhead debates at Thorfinnsson's Take on Tesla, the Dmitry vs. Polish Perspective debate on who was or was not in Israel, and reiner Tor's instructions on cold showers. Now that I...
  • AP says:
    @Mitleser

    Scores according to a French twitter user:


    1st: Germany (Leopard 2A6) 1450 points

    2nd: Sweden (Stridsvagn 122) 1411

    3rd: Austria (Leopard 2A4) 1321

    4th: France (AMX-56 Leclerc) 1186

    5th: Poland (Leopard 2A5) 1151

    6th: UK (Challenger II) 1140

    7th: US (M1A2 SEP) 1100

    8th: Ukraine (T-84U) 950
     
    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305&page=2#entry1372477

    Poor performance of pro-Ukrainian team partly explained by T-84 fire control system failure during first day ("assault"). Defense day video - From about 2:00 tanker complain about dugouts too deep (as designed for Abrams) and T-84 was unable to see targets from it - so they were firing from open positions
     
    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305#entry1372060

    Ukrops complain too much. Should ditch their tanks for superior Leo 2.

    Sweden managed a honourable second place after Germany and ahead of Austria. Well done! :) All three countries used various versions of the Leopard 2 which, I guess, means it is a really god tank.
     
    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=43305#entry1372237

    Thanks for this post.

    Those two problems were worth about 150 lost points, which would place Ukraine where it was last year – about the same as Poland (a little worse this year, while it actually beat Poland last year). Ukraine would have been ahead of the UK and the US.

    There’s a photo of results for the first 2 of 13 parts (the ones where Ukraine was affected by technical problems and too-deep dugout, respectively) here:

    https://aw.my.com/en/forum/showthread.php?199458-Strong-Europe-Tank-Challenge-2018

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    Were these technical problems due to chance? To me this doesn't seem to reflect well on the Ukrainian military.

    The dugout thing is strange and reflects badly on the test as an aid to eventual combat operations; something should be done about that.
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  • AP says:
    @Greasy William
    yeah.

    For me I love what I call "Nintendo" games. I don't how old you are or what games were like in Germany when you were growing up, but when I was kid there was only one home gaming system, the "Nintendo".

    Actually, it was the Nintendo Entertainment System or NES and today it is always referred to either as "the nes (pronounced 'nez') or "the N.E.S.". If you were to say "Nintendo" today, people would think you were talking about whatever their latest piece of shit system was.

    The first ultra successful home console was the Atari 2600, but by the time I was old enough to be interested in video games, that system was already an afterthought. To this day I have never seen an Atari 2600 in person.

    The NES did, in fact, have competitors in the same gaming generation: The Sega Master System and the Atari 7800. Not only have I never seen one of those systems in person but I didn't even become aware of their existence until 3 years ago. Surprisingly, both the Master System and the 7800 were commercially successful, as in, they turned a profit. But they didn't bring in the ridiculous amounts of cash that the NES did.

    So anyway, since the NES was my first system I think a lot of people would say, "oh, your just nostalgic for it so that is why you like it's games the best". But I don't think that's it at all. After all, I had a Sega Genesis, and then a Sega Saturn and then a Sega Dreamcast and while I do feel nostalgic for those years sometimes, I never have any inclination to go back and play those games again.

    To me, the side scrolling, NES platformers and beat em ups are the pinnacle of gaming. I absolutely hate the first person shooters that dominate gaming now. I was at my friend's apartment about 8 years ago and they were playing Call of Duty and when I tried I couldn't even get past the practice level. I remember thinking that that actually doing the obstacle course in real life would have been easier then trying to get through the level, but supposedly most people don't find it difficult at all.

    When I was a senior in high school, emulators were becoming a thing. I was rarely going to class by then so I spent a lot of the year playing games that I got stuck on as a small child. Here are some of the NES games I ended up beating: Robocop, Batman (generally regarded as one of the greatest games of all time), Megaman and Megaman II. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure that I beat any games besides those so I don't really know what I did the rest of the year. I remember playing old NES games on my computer and watching a lot of Blind Date but the rest of the year is kinda a blur. In hindsight, I'm not sure I was particularly sober for much of the time in those days.

    ::weeps for lost youth::

    The first ultra successful home console was the Atari 2600, but by the time I was old enough to be interested in video games, that system was already an afterthought. To this day I have never seen an Atari 2600 in person.

    I got one when it was brand new. Still have it, in mint condition. I wonder how much it is worth?

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    like 5 bucks, probably. You can get a new NES for about 15.
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  • Vladislav Pravdin - GREAT STALIN (1949). It is our joy that during the hard years of the war the Red Army and the Soviet people were led by the wise and experienced leader of the Soviet Union - the GREAT STALIN. And now for something completely different. Instead of snippets from larger works, here’s Egor...
  • AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Latest release of Maddison has quite a few strange figures.

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/latest-release-of-maddison-project-was-russia-richer-than-previously-thought/

    I think it is impossible that Poland (equivalent to Russia's richer provinces) and Finland (industrialization since the 1860s, IIRC nearly fully literate by 1914) were close to each other in 1929.

    That said, obviously the relative positive of ECE was closer to that of Western Europe then, than in 1991.

    I think it is impossible that Poland (equivalent to Russia’s richer provinces) and Finland (industrialization since the 1860s, IIRC nearly fully literate by 1914) were close to each other in 1929.

    Poland’s poorest and most backward parts were the ones that had been part of the Russian Empire. However it also included Silesia and Galicia. Silesia was rich coal country (like Donbas in Ukraine) and Galicia while poor by Austrian standards was richer than the Russian average (Galicia 1890 income $1,947 in 2010 dollars, compared to $1,550 for Russia that year), having achieved full literacy of students (not not population) by 1910.

    Even now, the former Russian parts of Poland, other than Warsaw for obvious reasons, have a reputation as being the poorest parts.

    Thus the Polish state overall would have been wealthier than just its Russian parts; it does not seem odd that the average of the poorer post-Russian parts combined with the richer Silesian and Galician parts would be about equal to Finland in the 1920s.

    But if you like, you can ignore Poland and just compare Austria to Hungary and Czechoslovakia. All three were about the same in 1929, and diverged markedly in 1991. That’s the effect of Soviet rule and being “fed” by the USSR.

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    achieved full literacy of students
     
    Excuse me, what?

    former Russian parts of Poland
     
    There were no Russian 'parts' of Poland, whole future independent Poland from Lodz to Warsaw was Russian with major industries and railways constructed by Imperial Russia. Poland was more densely populated and multi-national, and under Russian Empire the relatively small lands of 'near-Vistula region' were divided in surprisingly many governances (gubernias). Many Jews lived there before the war, and those millions were mostly slaughtered in local deathcamps. E.g. famous factories of Lodz were founded and managed by Jews. The same is true for Cracow with major Jewish district completely depopulated in ww2. Poles expelled Germans in 1919, then together they 'finally solved the Jewish issue', and then Poles again expelled Germans from Western Poland, and settled in parts of Eastern Prussia. Needles to say, in former Imperial German and Austrian regions of Polish republic, industries were founded by Germans and Jews. So one may conclude that

    Poland’s poorest and most backward parts were the ones
     
    inhabited by Poles themselves (rural areas).
    , @Gerard2

    But if you like, you can ignore Poland and just compare Austria to Hungary and Czechoslovakia. All three were about the same in 1929, and diverged markedly in 1991. That’s the effect of Soviet rule and being “fed” by the USSR.
     
    hahaha- the main divergence between the two has been AFTER the fall of communism you retarded prick.
    Even then the only big difference in wealth, living standards happened around about after 1975 you dumb twat- from this period to 1991 is when the problems started to develop, until then from 1945- the 1970's then it was one big gigantic glorious leap in living standards and prosperity thanks to Stalin and others. Czechoslavakia had had their industry totally destroyed by Hitler and Austria was probably always ahead of Hungary in terms of wealth for the 200 years preceding this you dipshit freak.

    Galicia while poor by Austrian standards was richer than the Russian average (Galicia 1890 income $1,947 in 2010 dollars, compared to $1,550 for Russia that year), having achieved full literacy of students (not not population) by 1910.
     
    Again , retarded fantasist garbage.
    One thing amusing about shithole Galicia, still after all these years entirely reliant on Russians and Russian money:_ it had the ignominy of all the teams in the Euro 2012 football tournament REFUSING to base themselves there. France very willingly enjoyed staying at their base in the high-class facility and city of Donetsk, absolutely NONE of the teams stayed in Western Ukraine , Lvov.

    Quite unheard of in a football tournament for there to be an empty city/region like that.

    So, France stayed in Donetsk, Ukraine I supposed, reluctantly had to base themselves in Ukraine.....and Sweden were the only other team that stayed in Ukraine ( Kiev)...and that was because they had unusually been drawn to play all their matches in Kiev, I suspect if this had not been the case ( 1 match in Kiev and 2 in Lvov), then they would have just stayed in poland, or thought about flying from Stockholm for each match



    This humiliation of Galician retards at a prestigious event ( one of the few opportunities to boost tourism, that of course failed to materialise there) is like a flower shop that doesn't sell any flowers on Valentines Day or a pub not selling any Guinness in Ireland or New York on Saint Patrick's Day
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  • @Anon

    as often the old aristocracy who led the way, like any good lord of the manor
     
    The tale of good shepherd? Thats what they want you to believe, the official British myth. In such fake universe, Francis Drake is a national hero who obliterated the Great Armada, Shakespeare is world-class genius of drama, Guy Fawkes is an ultimate criminal, and queen Victoria a benevolent monarch. British aristocracy robbed the land from peasants, traded slaves, sponsored piracy, pillaged India and imported opium to China like mafia family with royal bosses and power inheritance. And there is always a plenty of British professors writing history books that promote impeccable England and its landowners. Human trafficking was always ok in UK - from slaves to indentured servants, or jailing for poverty and hanging for begging or using child labor. Charles Dickens writings on victorian childhood is only a portion of truth. If British aristocracy treated their own soldiers like scum, they had no reason for mercy to underpaid scum offsprings.

    British aristocracy made friend with Hitler. Info on Hess flight to England in 1941 is still classified by UK.

    British aristocracy made friend with Hitler

    Britain was fighting against Germany when Soviet Union was de facto a German ally under Molotov-Ribbentropp and busy butchering elites in eastern Poland/the Baltic states and trying to oppress Finland.
    Your fairytale version of history (“Polish death camps”?) is beyond ridiculous.

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    Britain was fighting against
     
    And Edward VIII the Nazi sympathizer visited Hitler just to handshake him in 1938, a year before the war. You re-start the cycle spreading BS of how USSR 'allied' with Hitler and 'butchered' 'elites' in former lands of Russian Empire (petty Nazi henchmen).

    Polish death camps
     
    Look on the map to see locations of major camps.
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  • AP says:
    @Avery
    {USSR almost lost a war to a country with 40% of its population, that was also fighting the British, also busy occupying Europe, and was then fighting the Americns and getting bombed by them.}

    'Almost' is as good as nonsense: you don't 'almost' win a medal, do example.
    You either win or lose.
    Nazi Germany lost and USSR won.
    You can say 'almost' this or that about anything.

    Nazi Germany conquered pretty much all of Europe in a matter of months.
    The British expeditionary force was chased ignominiously to the Channel in tatters.
    According to war records of Germans themselves, Wehrmacht lost about 80% of their men and materiel on the Eastern front. Their best and toughest units were sent to the Eastern front, because that was the main reason for starting the war for Hitler: annihilation of USSR and extermination of Slavic peoples.

    The number of German KIA and WIA on the Eastern front vs the rest of theaters is proof as to who was doing the lion's share of destroying the Nazi war machine.

    Yeah, Nazi Germany 'almost' won: sure they did.
    The same way Napoleon's Grand Grande Armée 'almost' won.
    Napoleon's tactics and strategy was as revolutionary for his time as was Wehrmacht's Blitzkrieg that vanquished France in less than two months. French army at the time had more and better tanks, more artillery pieces and the same number of divisions as Nazi Germany.


    Oh, btw: unlike Hitler, Napoleon managed to invade and occupy Moscow. Yet his Grande Armée of ~700,000 was still ground down to ~30,000 by the time the pitiful remnants escaped Russia.
    Wehrmacht would have been similarly ground to dust with or without England or US.
    It would have taken maybe 1-2 years longer, but the result would have been the same.
    After Stalingrad (1942 to early 1943), the Wehrmacht was broken*, but USSR war production was ramping up, and SU had practically an exhaustible supply of fighting age men.

    -----
    * I read an article recently where the author posits that the decisive battle was not Stalingrad but the Battle of Moscow. (don't remember where I read it.)

    ‘Almost’ is as good as nonsense: you don’t ‘almost’ win a medal, do example.
    You either win or lose.
    Nazi Germany lost and USSR won.
    You can say ‘almost’ this or that about anything.

    No. France did not “almost” defeat Germany in that war.

    Nazi Germany conquered pretty much all of Europe in a matter of months.
    The British expeditionary force was chased ignominiously to the Channel in tatters.

    They ran out of room. Soviets did not.

    The number of German KIA and WIA on the Eastern front vs the rest of theaters is proof as to who was doing the lion’s share of destroying the Nazi war machine.

    Which doesn’t contradict what I wrote.

    Germany came close to defeating the USSR. An indictment of the pathetic performance of the Soviet state.

    Yeah, Nazi Germany ‘almost’ won: sure they did.

    Reality is hard for some people. Sorry.

    After Stalingrad (1942 to early 1943), the Wehrmacht was broken*, but USSR war production was ramping up, and SU had practically an exhaustible supply of fighting age men.

    Wehrmacht was broken after Kursk in summer 1943. In early 1943 the Germans retook Kharkiv in a battle that saw 10 Soviets killed for every German killed. Their generals wanted to continue such tactics, that would have eventually bled the Soviets dry, but Hitler overruled them due to his obsession with holding ground at all cost, which effectively crushed the German war effort.

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  • AP says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    I have absolutely no doubt that the Soviets could have performed much better in World War II. That said, though, a better measure of comparison would probably be total industrial might. In 1938, Germany's industrial potential was 214 (relative to 100 for the U.K. in 1900) whereas the Soviet Union's was 152:

    http://www.beaconschool.org/~bfaithfu/greatdivergencecharts.pdf

    True, the Soviet Union had Britain and the U.S. as allies, but the bulk of the fighting was done by the Soviet Union--especially before 1944. Plus, this is not to mention that Germany had the opportunity to loot the parts of Europe that it controlled--thus allowing Germany to acquire more tanks, et cetera.

    Thus, looking purely at population data is misleading. Rather, one should look at total industrial potential since industrial might often determines one's potential military might--which explains why Britain and the U.S. were able to build such powerful militaries in both World Wars.

    As you mentioned, through Lend Lease the Soviets enjoyed some of the USA’s industrial potential. I’m not sure if it was enough to cover the difference. So Soviets had their manpower plus Lend Lease.
    Also, I wonder of Soviet population was younger due to larger family sizes which would magnify the population advantage.

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    You may not have read the Suvarov based discussion started by Ron Unz. It seems that Stalin had effectively geared up Soviet industry to produce military hardware very substantially, especially from 1939 onward. Still I haven't seen any figures for the cost in production of having to shift industry out of harms way after the Germans invaded. On the other hand I have seen no follow up on statements that Hitler allowed some demobilization in 1940. Or the effect of Hitler's failure to mobilize domestic production and manpower - especially womanpower - for war in the way the UK did almost from the word go. Of course Hitler had the productive resources of the occupied territories to allow him to keep his own population cushioned until 1942.

    What actually prompted me to reply to you was your reference to family sizes and a possible age advantage. Perhaps someone can fill us in on comparative demographics. I often start by pointing out to people that there were 2 million Germans and 5 million Russians born in 1913 so Hitler and Stalin could ignore WW1 losses: they both had enough bodies to play with. But you are probably right about bigger Russian family sizes - maybe offsetting the Holomodor?? - because Protestant Germany at least would have been well on the way to emulating Britain in its smaller family sizes as birth control became accepted. Mind you I worked when very young with an 81 year old who was one of 8 boys and 4 girls in an English family when he went off to Mons as a hussar in 1914!
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    I’m not sure if it was enough to cover the difference. So Soviets had their manpower plus Lend Lease.
     
    According to Mark Harrison's calculations, LL accounted for the equivalent of 5% of Soviet industrial production in 1941, and 10% in 1942-43, declining thereafter.

    Although small, the precarious position of the USSR in 1941-42 means that it may well have made a crucial difference.

    Also, I wonder of Soviet population was younger due to larger family sizes which would magnify the population advantage.
     
    Probably not; as a society only beginning its demographic transition, the bulk of that youth would have been concentrated in the youngest age brackets.
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  • AP says:
    @Cyrano
    To me what the Serbs did in WW1 is equally awe inspiring as what the Russians did in WW2. They repelled 3 attacks by AH empire – which was 10 times their size. Now in all fairness, high percentage of AH population were Slavs and their heart wasn’t in it – to fight fellow Slavs. But still, the Serbs repelled 3 offensives by AH, and finally Germany had to intervene in order to defeat them. The defeated Serbian army evacuated Serbia, spent almost 3 years on a desolate Greek island (Corfu) and came back to fight another day, Stuff of legends.

    To me what the Serbs did in WW1 is equally awe inspiring as what the Russians did in WW2.

    USSR almost lost a war to a country with 40% of its population, that was also fighting the British, also busy occupying Europe, and was then fighting the Americns and getting bombed by them.

    Awe-inspiring in terms of how shambolic the victory was.

    They repelled 3 attacks by AH empire – which was 10 times their size.

    AH empire was also at war with Russia, and indeed was broken by Russia – a country with about 4 times AH’s population.

    According to wiki, in 1914 370,000 AH troops went to war against 250,000 Serbian troops and 50,000 Montenegrin allies.

    That the Serbs repelled the AH despite being more poorly armed is a credit to them (and to some stupid decisions by AH’s generals) but don’t pretend it’s something spectacular against 10x as many troops.

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    I have absolutely no doubt that the Soviets could have performed much better in World War II. That said, though, a better measure of comparison would probably be total industrial might. In 1938, Germany's industrial potential was 214 (relative to 100 for the U.K. in 1900) whereas the Soviet Union's was 152:

    http://www.beaconschool.org/~bfaithfu/greatdivergencecharts.pdf

    True, the Soviet Union had Britain and the U.S. as allies, but the bulk of the fighting was done by the Soviet Union--especially before 1944. Plus, this is not to mention that Germany had the opportunity to loot the parts of Europe that it controlled--thus allowing Germany to acquire more tanks, et cetera.

    Thus, looking purely at population data is misleading. Rather, one should look at total industrial potential since industrial might often determines one's potential military might--which explains why Britain and the U.S. were able to build such powerful militaries in both World Wars.

    , @Avery
    {USSR almost lost a war to a country with 40% of its population, that was also fighting the British, also busy occupying Europe, and was then fighting the Americns and getting bombed by them.}

    'Almost' is as good as nonsense: you don't 'almost' win a medal, do example.
    You either win or lose.
    Nazi Germany lost and USSR won.
    You can say 'almost' this or that about anything.

    Nazi Germany conquered pretty much all of Europe in a matter of months.
    The British expeditionary force was chased ignominiously to the Channel in tatters.
    According to war records of Germans themselves, Wehrmacht lost about 80% of their men and materiel on the Eastern front. Their best and toughest units were sent to the Eastern front, because that was the main reason for starting the war for Hitler: annihilation of USSR and extermination of Slavic peoples.

    The number of German KIA and WIA on the Eastern front vs the rest of theaters is proof as to who was doing the lion's share of destroying the Nazi war machine.

    Yeah, Nazi Germany 'almost' won: sure they did.
    The same way Napoleon's Grand Grande Armée 'almost' won.
    Napoleon's tactics and strategy was as revolutionary for his time as was Wehrmacht's Blitzkrieg that vanquished France in less than two months. French army at the time had more and better tanks, more artillery pieces and the same number of divisions as Nazi Germany.


    Oh, btw: unlike Hitler, Napoleon managed to invade and occupy Moscow. Yet his Grande Armée of ~700,000 was still ground down to ~30,000 by the time the pitiful remnants escaped Russia.
    Wehrmacht would have been similarly ground to dust with or without England or US.
    It would have taken maybe 1-2 years longer, but the result would have been the same.
    After Stalingrad (1942 to early 1943), the Wehrmacht was broken*, but USSR war production was ramping up, and SU had practically an exhaustible supply of fighting age men.

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    * I read an article recently where the author posits that the decisive battle was not Stalingrad but the Battle of Moscow. (don't remember where I read it.)
    , @Jon Halpenny
    Firstly, the Germans seem to have had a significant initial numerical superiority which they maintained for most of 1941(see my previous posts).

    Also the Germans were able to concentrate almost their entire strength against the USSR in 1941. Britain was essentially not a factor in the war on land at that point. And America was neutral. While the USSR had to keep many troops in Siberia to face the Japanese.

    The Germans had suffered few casualties in their adventures in Poland and France, while German generals and lower officers had gained massive experience in conducting modern mobile warfare. So the Wehrmacht was at an absolute peak of effectiveness. And German allies added significant numbers of extra soldiers.

    Despite the advantages, some modern historical researchers,e.g. David Stahel, argue that Operation Barbarossa was already facing failure by August 1941. In other words, the Germans could not achieve their objectives at any point after that date.

    The Wehrmacht was an awesomely effective army, but if it is true that Barbarossa was facing failure just two months after its beginning, then we must change our perspective on the war in the East.
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  • @AnonFromTN
    The reform of the alphabet was prepared under the tsar, it was only implemented by the Bolsheviks after the revolution.

    So, 20th century.

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    @Anon

    Shakespeare was epigynous with respect to whom?
     
    Epigonous to Italian renaissance novels from Romeo and Juliet to Otello and Merchant of Venice. He (or the entity working in his name) was a mediocre playwrite adaptor and translator.

    and the USSR could not engage in construction of their language
     
    Apart from invention of Ukrainian language by Polish dissidents and Austrian intelligence, USSR was the main sponsor of Ukrainisation and their invented literacy.

    Shakespeare was epigynous with respect to whom?

    Epigonous to Italian renaissance novels from Romeo and Juliet to Otello and Merchant of Venice. He (or the entity working in his name) was a mediocre playwrite adaptor and translator.

    Your comments about Shevchenko’s alleged mediocrity can now be understood in full context.

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  • @Mikhail

    No more than any other language. And it is considerably less artificial than Russian. It is closer to the traditional actual vernacular speech of the people in Ukraine than is literary Russian was to actual Russian.
     
    Bullshit.

    One case in point being that the modern Ukrainian alphabet is a relatively new development which involved Soviet and former Habsburg Empire Ukrainian collaboration.

    The modern day standard Ukrainian language was motivated to take words that weren't Russian. That explains why Rusyn has some words that are Russian and not Ukrainian. The Rusyns have been described as people who never accepted Ukrainian as their identity.

    You speak neither Ukrainian nor Russian and repeat things others have fed you.

    Modern Russian alphabet was set after the Revolution.

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    The reform of the alphabet was prepared under the tsar, it was only implemented by the Bolsheviks after the revolution.
    , @Mikhail
    You spout BS (some of which is brought up by others), in addition to bringing up matters that don't successfully deal with the specific issues at hand.
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  • AP says:
    @LatW
    Sorry for interrupting, but I have a question for you (if you have time).

    I've been reading Yuri Lipa lately and he keeps calling Ukrainians the "Dinaric race". I notice some interesting looking brunettes, however, they do not look entirely Mediterranean. They are not in the majority, of course. But they are there and look distinct. Why are Ukrainians called "Dinaric" then?

    Btw, Mr Hack mentioned something about Varyags, but I gotta say that the Ukrainian blondes don't really look facially Nordic (they have Slavic features, although some could pass).

    I’ve been reading Yuri Lipa lately and he keeps calling Ukrainians the “Dinaric race”. I notice some interesting looking brunettes, however, they do not look entirely Mediterranean. They are not in the majority, of course. But they are there and look distinct. Why are Ukrainians called “Dinaric” then

    Before genetics people looked to phenotype to classify peoples. IIRC “Dynaric” was a combination of northern and southern types, often seen in the Balkans. Ukrainians do tend to be darker than either Poles or Russians, and they do actually have a little bit of Balkan ancestry.

    Btw, Mr Hack mentioned something about Varyags, but I gotta say that the Ukrainian blondes don’t really look facially Nordic (they have Slavic features, although some could pass)

    Very few Ukrainians including blonde ones actually look Nordic. Varangian decent is not that common, though it exists.

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    Yea, I know they're darker (although there is a lot of variety, with even some redheads or some red in the beard, it's a big population). Some of those Dinaric types look interesting, because they don't look entirely Balkan. The blondes look very much "boy/girl next door", similar to Belarusians.
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  • @AP
    Latvia has no oil and according to you it has lost its industry, yet is still manages to have about the same per capita GDP PPP as Russia. Good for Latvia, clever people.

    I'm not sure what you have against EU subsidies. Is it less honorable or somehow worse than the advantage of happening to have oil under one's ground? Eastern European countries got EU subsidies whole avoiding taking migrants - good for them.

    You previously said that Germany should have a moral duty to give subsidies to countries such as Poland without any conditions on these other countries’ part due to Germany’s legacy of destruction in regards to these countries, correct?

    If so, it appears to make sense (though it is worth noting that the idea of reacquiring the Polish Corridor was not exclusively a Nazi idea; indeed, mainstream German politicians such as Gustav Stresemann also subscribed to it in the Weimar era). After all, importing large numbers of Muslims (as in, not high-IQ Muslims) into countries such as Poland is almost certainly going to create a permanent underclass there similar to how, say, many Blacks are in the U.S.

    Also, you appear to have previously made a point that Eastern Europeans have a stronger sense of national self-preservation than Western Europeans have due to the fact that they have endured tyranny for a longer time period (for instance, compare 2-4 years of Nazi occupation in France to 6 years of Nazi and 45 years of Communist occupation in Poland). I certainly think that there is a lot of truth in that statement.

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    @Anon
    Again, citing Polish version of wiki.

    Poland did not kill a million or two people as Lenin did.
     
    Lenin is personally guilty of killing millions to the lesser extent than Poles killing millions of Jews in their deathcaps. 20 million Poles could easily liberate at least one of them in 1942-1944.

    brutalized enslaved Poland,
     
    Enslaved means granting PRP large chunks of Germany, and brutalizing, as I presume, is supplying with gas, oil and keeping the industry and employment up and running. E.g. outsorcing luxurios industries to Poland e.g. ES computers, Mi-2 helicopters, shipbuilding, and offering all possible trade preferences?

    Again, citing Polish version of wiki.

    Numbers are referenced to other sources.

    So 100,000s Poles murders and deported by Soviets. You think Poles should be grateful to the Soviets because it was not millions as the Nazis had done.

    Lenin is personally guilty of killing millions to the lesser extent than Poles killing millions of Jews in their deathcaps.

    Lenin had more connection to the Soviet state and its organs who killed those people than Poles did to the Nazi state that killed people on Polish soil.

    Enslaved means granting PRP large chunks of Germany, and brutalizing, as I presume, is supplying with gas, oil and keeping the industry and employment up and running.

    African American slaves were also fed and given houses to live in. I guess they should be grateful? But at least in the end, their descendants live better than their brothers in Africa. Soviet rule, in contrast, resulted in relative impoverishment. Hungary and Czechoslovakia had once been almost the same as Austria. Poland had been about the same as Finland, and a lot richer than Portugal. What did Soviet misrule lead to? Here you go:

    https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/historicaldevelopment/maddison/releases/maddison-project-database-2018

    In 1929 GDP PPP in 2011 dollars:

    Poland :$4,119
    Czechoslovakia: $5,704
    Hungary: $6,024

    Portugal: $2,786
    Finland: $4,398
    Austria: $6,413

    In 1991 GDP PPP in 2011 dollars:

    Poland: $9,218
    Czechoslovakia: $13,947
    Hungary: $ $13,847

    Portugal: $19,411
    Finland: $25,551
    Austria: $29,999

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    murders and deported by Soviets.
     
    Deported where exactly? There were no Polish citizens in USSR, only Soviet citizens of Polish descent. They were displaced on par with Russians and any other nationals. No ethnic Poles from Poland were exiled to Siberia etc. (if not being outright war criminals and renowned Nazi henchmen).

    In 1929 GDP PPP in 2011 dollars
     
    You mean, industries built under Imperial Russia, Austria and Prussia, expropriated by nationalist Polish republic? Counting western GDP is counting credit i.e. usury, not manufacturing or real goods production. It depends on population density also.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Latest release of Maddison has quite a few strange figures.

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/latest-release-of-maddison-project-was-russia-richer-than-previously-thought/

    I think it is impossible that Poland (equivalent to Russia's richer provinces) and Finland (industrialization since the 1860s, IIRC nearly fully literate by 1914) were close to each other in 1929.

    That said, obviously the relative positive of ECE was closer to that of Western Europe then, than in 1991.
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  • AP says:
    @AnonFromTN
    Regarding your point #1 – EU has decided to redirect subsidies from Eastern Europe to Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Italy. Apparently, EU realized that they are making the same mistake as the USSR. Considering how fast Baltic statelets are losing population, in 20 years there would be lots of free land for “refugees”.
    As to the “successful” economic development of Latvia, it’s a myth. Their per capita GDP by PPP is lower than that of Russia ($27,291 vs $27,890; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita). Poland, Lithuania, and Estonia aren’t doing much better, either, even with current EU subsidies.
    Reminds me of a saying “be careful what you ask for, your with might be granted”.

    Latvia has no oil and according to you it has lost its industry, yet is still manages to have about the same per capita GDP PPP as Russia. Good for Latvia, clever people.

    I’m not sure what you have against EU subsidies. Is it less honorable or somehow worse than the advantage of happening to have oil under one’s ground? Eastern European countries got EU subsidies whole avoiding taking migrants – good for them.

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    You previously said that Germany should have a moral duty to give subsidies to countries such as Poland without any conditions on these other countries' part due to Germany's legacy of destruction in regards to these countries, correct?

    If so, it appears to make sense (though it is worth noting that the idea of reacquiring the Polish Corridor was not exclusively a Nazi idea; indeed, mainstream German politicians such as Gustav Stresemann also subscribed to it in the Weimar era). After all, importing large numbers of Muslims (as in, not high-IQ Muslims) into countries such as Poland is almost certainly going to create a permanent underclass there similar to how, say, many Blacks are in the U.S.

    Also, you appear to have previously made a point that Eastern Europeans have a stronger sense of national self-preservation than Western Europeans have due to the fact that they have endured tyranny for a longer time period (for instance, compare 2-4 years of Nazi occupation in France to 6 years of Nazi and 45 years of Communist occupation in Poland). I certainly think that there is a lot of truth in that statement.
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  • AP says:
    @Anon

    The first literary work written in it appeared in 1798 – Eneide by Kotlyarevsky
     
    'Eneide' was a mockery intended to ridiculize the Small Russian dialect. It was treated as such to the extent that speaking of Virgil was considered an offense by nobility of Southern (Small Russian or Ukrainian) origin - like mentioning together watermelons, basketball and KFC in modern USA.
    It was the same as if today someone retells Pushkin's 'Eugene Onegin' in obscene words or memes.

    sound harsh and unpleasant, in contrast to quite melodious Ukrainian.
     
    Literary Ukrainian is a fresh artificial construct. Some words originate from Polish including germanisms, some - from Serbian because of the Serbian settlers brought in by Catherine the Great, and something is nomadic. All this may be traced back to XIX century, and Ukraine relative to Russia is akin to Bavaria relative to Germany.

    Literary Ukrainian is a fresh artificial construct.

    No more than any other language. And it is considerably less artificial than Russian. It is closer to the traditional actual vernacular speech of the people in Ukraine than is literary Russian was to actual Russian.

    I’ll quote something written by someone else:

    Compared to Ukrainian, Russian is a poor and underdeveloped language from every linguistic point of reference, particularly in terms of its vocabulary and grammar. It’s understandable, as modern Russian, from the historic perspective, is a very young and largely artificially created language, a sort of Esperanto; and it hasn’t had enough time, unlike Ukrainian, to develop the variety of linguistic forms and shortcuts that emerge only when a language is used naturally and for a long period of time by common people communicating with one another daily , rather than via being concocted in an ivory tower. As a result, there’re thousands of Ukrainian shortcut adverbs (e.g.: торік, чимдуж, etc.) that can be expressed in Russian only by using a combination of three separate words. Likewise, Ukrainian has three single-word superlative degrees, while Russian has only one. Ukrainian has two Infinitive forms for every verb (e.g.: робити/робить) versus a single form in Russian. Ukrainian has single-word forms of Future Imperfect (e.g. матиму, матимемо, матимеш, матиме, матимуть) completely absent from Russian. Ukrainian has the Plus Quam Perfectum tense (e.g. він почав був читати, та його зупинили); Russian doesn’t. And the list goes on and on.

    U has thousands of single-word shortcut adverbs absent from R, such as торік, чимдуж, здебільш, навшпиньки, насамперед, завдальшe, etc. absent from R, all of which require two or three R words to express the same.

    U has three forms of superlative adjectives and adverbs (e.g., найвищий/якнайвищий/щоякнайвищий) vs one in R (e.g., наивысший).

    While in U, all of the above forms were present in common everyday speech in the 1700′s (that’s the speech and vocabulary Kotliarevsky used to write “The Aeneid” published in 1798), R at the time was a mere rudiment of what it has become after Pushkin and is today.

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    Sorry for interrupting, but I have a question for you (if you have time).

    I've been reading Yuri Lipa lately and he keeps calling Ukrainians the "Dinaric race". I notice some interesting looking brunettes, however, they do not look entirely Mediterranean. They are not in the majority, of course. But they are there and look distinct. Why are Ukrainians called "Dinaric" then?

    Btw, Mr Hack mentioned something about Varyags, but I gotta say that the Ukrainian blondes don't really look facially Nordic (they have Slavic features, although some could pass).
    , @DFH
    Literary Russian was invented by an octaroon foot fetishist to please Petersburg thots
    , @Mikhail

    No more than any other language. And it is considerably less artificial than Russian. It is closer to the traditional actual vernacular speech of the people in Ukraine than is literary Russian was to actual Russian.
     
    Bullshit.

    One case in point being that the modern Ukrainian alphabet is a relatively new development which involved Soviet and former Habsburg Empire Ukrainian collaboration.

    The modern day standard Ukrainian language was motivated to take words that weren't Russian. That explains why Rusyn has some words that are Russian and not Ukrainian. The Rusyns have been described as people who never accepted Ukrainian as their identity.
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  • AP says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    Very interesting!

    That said, though, would Moldova have actually wanted to secede from Russia in this scenario? After all, its lower average IQ and lack of natural resources suggests that it might benefit from continued Russian rule (assuming that its population wouldn't be oppressed, that is).

    Also, what's interesting is that an independence vote in northern Kherson Guberniya, northern Taurida Guerbiya, and Yekaterinoslav Guberniya might have very well been extremely close in 1917 (assuming that very few of the people who voted against Ukrainian parties would have voted for Ukrainian independence in 1917). Indeed, a lot might have depended on turnout. Of course, a split decision would have been possible.

    That said, though, would Moldova have actually wanted to secede from Russia in this scenario? After all, its lower average IQ and lack of natural resources suggests that it might benefit from continued Russian rule (assuming that its population wouldn’t be oppressed, that is).

    It was pretty backward so I suspect the people didn’t care either way about nationalistic things.

    Also, what’s interesting is that an independence vote in northern Kherson Guberniya, northern Taurida Guerbiya, and Yekaterinoslav Guberniya might have very well been extremely close in 1917 (assuming that very few of the people who voted against Ukrainian parties would have voted for Ukrainian independence in 1917). Indeed, a lot might have depended on turnout. Of course, a split decision would have been possible.

    Correct.

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    In regards to Moldova, it is worth noting that, if I recall correctly, the Russian Socialist Revolutionaries won the 1917 elections there. I don't know if there was a Romanian nationalistic party on the ballot in Moldova in 1917, though.

    In any case, though, if Russia gets to keep Moldova and Odessa, I still don't think that it would be very happy about the fact that these territories would be cut off from Russia. Still, this should be manageable if Russia and Ukraine would have agreed to free passage for Russians to and from these territories.

    As for your last point here, I wonder if this could have motivated Russia to try getting more ethnic Russians to settle in these territories. After all, as the ethnic Russian percentage will increase in these territories, support for independence will probably decrease in these territories.

    Also, as a side note, had Russia permanently been able to keep Novorossiya and Bessarabia, do you think that these territories--along with Central Asia--would have eventually become Russia's version of the Sun Belt? Indeed, here in the U.S., the states in the Sun Belt (southern U.S.) experienced extremely massive growth over the last 70 years whereas most of the other U.S. states didn't grow anywhere near as fast. In turn, I am wondering if Russians could have likewise flocked en masse to sunny areas throughout the 20th and 21st centuries had Russia avoided going Bolshevik in 1917.
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  • AP says:
    @Anon

    killed/deported 100,000s of Poles
     
    Please provide any statistic. With 1oo00o deported, there should be whole regions in Russia inhabited by Poles, and this is not true. There was no Bolshevik party in Poland, and USSR never declared a state of war, nor killed such masses of Poles (even POWs). All native Poles interned in 1939 were returned from Belarussia and Ukraine to the Polish proper. All Polish citizens proscribed by USSR in 1940-s were treated in the same way as Russian native citizens of USSR. We were equal in our limited human rights, unlike you under Nazis.

    a sadistic murderer attacks another sadistic murderer.
     
    Poland itself was no less sadistic murder, a brute and agressor in 1920s, a vulture in 1938, a scheming villain in 1939, a coward and henchman until 1944, and the keeper of the loot in 1945. Portraying USSR an equal villain with Third Reich is a typical Polish myth. Slaves are not provided equal rights with their masters, and all product of the slave's work goes to master. The product of Polish works went to Nazis under Hitler, stayed in Poland being a member of Eastern Bloc, and goes back to Germany and the West today. And yes, you are again free to serve the coffee and clean toilets in EU.

    With 1oo00o deported, there should be whole regions in Russia inhabited by Poles, and this is not true. There was no Bolshevik party in Poland, and USSR never declared a state of war, nor killed such masses of Poles (even POWs).

    Prior to World War II Stalin killed about 110,000 Poles who had been stranded in the USSR. though number may be higher:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD#Killing_process_and_death_toll

    During World War II about 320,000 Poles were deported (my mother-in-law ended up in the Urals as a little kid) and 150,000 murdered:

    https://www.expatica.com/de/news/country-news/Polish-experts-lower-nations-WWII-death-toll_164804.html

    I don’t have time to look up the numbers for the post-war purges and arrests.

    Poland itself was no less sadistic murder, a brute and agressor in 1920s,

    Poland did not kill a million or two people as Lenin did.

    Portraying USSR an equal villain with Third Reich is a typical Polish myth.

    I didn’t write equal. USSR “merely” brutalized enslaved Poland, but did not kill it as Nazi Germany would likely have done.

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    Again, citing Polish version of wiki.

    Poland did not kill a million or two people as Lenin did.
     
    Lenin is personally guilty of killing millions to the lesser extent than Poles killing millions of Jews in their deathcaps. 20 million Poles could easily liberate at least one of them in 1942-1944.

    brutalized enslaved Poland,
     
    Enslaved means granting PRP large chunks of Germany, and brutalizing, as I presume, is supplying with gas, oil and keeping the industry and employment up and running. E.g. outsorcing luxurios industries to Poland e.g. ES computers, Mi-2 helicopters, shipbuilding, and offering all possible trade preferences?
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Indeed, as the descendant of convicts sent to Australia in 1796, 1798 and 1820 [this one pardoned but he stayed on] I find it hard to believe that those previously sent to North America to serve sentences or as indentured labour can sensibly be called slaves.

    You can claim your ancestors were slaves and get “victim points” or whatever, given that victimhood is now one of the greatest virtues in the modern West. I suspect this is what motivates some people to make such claims.

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    Great idea. I could set up a Compo for Convicts group to run interference for the 0.1 per cent who are always in severe danger of being victimised if they don't stick together and spend up on good tax lawyers. Actually my Chinese friends tell me Oz would be mad to give up its comparative advantage in having no immediate inheritance tax (capital gains tax can catch up with you though I can give tips for postponing it if you are rich enough for 100 years or so without even a corporate structure).
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  • AP says:
    @Anon
    Another treatise from British scientists. Kurt Vonnegut wrote, that all Europeans descend from Charles the Great. There are also Ukrainian scientists claiming that Ukrainians were first Europeans and they dug out the Black Sea.

    There are also Ukrainian scientists claiming that Ukrainians were first Europeans and they dug out the Black Sea.

    This appeared on some Ukrainian comedy show making fun of super-patriots, was repeated somewhere on some Russian blog or tv show as an example of what they teach in Ukraine, and gullible Russian nationalists actually believe it.

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  • @Anon

    We never expect gifts from the steppe people. The point was that the soviets looted and mismanaged Romania and other Eastern European countries
     
    Just whom do you call steppe people? Ethnic Romanians are outperformed by Russians in most IQ, maths and school tests. There are no well-known Romanian scientific and cultural developments. Most famous Romanian in history is count Dracula. Back in Soviet times, Romanian movies were considered most stupid. Internationally, their Daci movie is an example.

    The Soviets could not loot and mismanage Romania - a true Ruritania then and now - and half-Gypsy land. There were no USSR forces stationed there after ww2. The current 'shithole' state of Romania producing nothing other than cheap labor force is a direct result of Romanian relative independence in Eastern Bloc. They tried to manage on their own, play unalignment like Yugoslavia, and got only infamy. Their luck no bombs and partitions yet, but playing NATO games makes nothing predictable.

    Romania had about 30% of Russia’s per capita GDP after Communism ended but now has about 60% of Russia’s per capita GDP (in PPP terms), so it is doing something right.

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    per capita GDP after Communism
     
    There was no Communism yet - since under Communism, money is extinct. Western corporations own most industries in modern Romania. Depopulation due to labor force ouflow adds to the GDP growth, but commercial sex and drug trade - all add to GDP in Western world.
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  • AP says:
    @Anon

    The notion of ingratitude of the liberated and the occupied and the subsequent resentment on the part of Russian nationalists
     
    It is just obvious, that Nazis (the Germans) occupied Poland and Czechia, discriminated their population vs. Germans (forbad intermarriages, political leadership), moved millions of e.g. Polish population to Germany for slave labor, and owned all major local industries.

    USSR - the Russians - have liberated Poles and Czechs from Nazis and installed local governments. There were no general-governorates or direct Soviet rule. USSR stationed it troops, but in closed garrisons. It did not moved millions of Poles to work in Siberia or owned Skoda and Gdansk shipbuilding, or discriminated Poles and Czechs vs. USSR citizens. No Soviet officer could walk by the street and beat e.g. a Pole, or harrass Polish women. There were no ghettos and death camps. You still cry about 'occupation' and there is no ingratitude to Russians or no gratitude may have a reason to be expected. If you feel like slave when you are treated as friend, that's your own problem, not your friend's.

    What about today? NATO stations its troops as well as USSR, even in the same locations. NATO military treats the locals as inferiors, especially in the Baltics, and in Czech republic Prague is considered a place for Western sex tourism. Millions of Poles migrate to the West for almost the same occupations that their ancestors performed under Nazis (Polish plumbers and chambermaids, Rumanian seasoned peasants etc.). There are NATO concentration camps and US secret prisons in Poland and Lithuania. On top of that, all major industries e.g. Skoda now do not belong to Poles and Czechs, but to the Western corporations. And you still feel so much gratitude to the West, and cry of another occupation that wasn't.

    Soviets imposed the Bolshevik regime on Poland, killed/deported 100,000s of Poles, and made sure that for about 50 years Poland did what Moscow wanted. And this occurred only after the Germans had attacked the Soviets first, and the Soviets had to march through Poland to defeat the Germans.

    Yes, this is better than what the Nazis had planned for Poland. But so what?

    An analogy: a sadistic murderer attacks another sadistic murderer. The latter fights him off, chases him to his lair and kills him. In the lair he finds a victim tied up and ready for slaughter. He doesn’t kill the victim. But rather than set him free, he just beats him, keeps him tied up and uses him as a personal slave for a few decades. Eventually the victim escapes. By your (and Russian nationalist) logic, victim should be forever grateful to the guy who beat him and enslaved him simply because he is alive.

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    killed/deported 100,000s of Poles
     
    Please provide any statistic. With 1oo00o deported, there should be whole regions in Russia inhabited by Poles, and this is not true. There was no Bolshevik party in Poland, and USSR never declared a state of war, nor killed such masses of Poles (even POWs). All native Poles interned in 1939 were returned from Belarussia and Ukraine to the Polish proper. All Polish citizens proscribed by USSR in 1940-s were treated in the same way as Russian native citizens of USSR. We were equal in our limited human rights, unlike you under Nazis.

    a sadistic murderer attacks another sadistic murderer.
     
    Poland itself was no less sadistic murder, a brute and agressor in 1920s, a vulture in 1938, a scheming villain in 1939, a coward and henchman until 1944, and the keeper of the loot in 1945. Portraying USSR an equal villain with Third Reich is a typical Polish myth. Slaves are not provided equal rights with their masters, and all product of the slave's work goes to master. The product of Polish works went to Nazis under Hitler, stayed in Poland being a member of Eastern Bloc, and goes back to Germany and the West today. And yes, you are again free to serve the coffee and clean toilets in EU.
    , @iffen
    Disagree, being alive and surviving is a big deal, for individuals, peoples and nation states.
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  • AP says:
    @Jon Halpenny
    In fairness, it should be said the Soviet performance in WW II was much better than the Russian performance in WW I. In WW I the Germans were facing pressure from huge French and English armies on the western Front. In WW II, however, the Germans were able to concentrate almost their entire strength against the USSR in 1941. And they enjoyed all the benefits of a surprise attack into the bargain. Nonetheless, historian David Stahel argues that Barbarossa was already failing by September 1941. And by December the Germans took a huge defeat in front of Moscow.

    So at least Stalin must get some credit for the improved performance in WW II.

    In fairness, it should be said the Soviet performance in WW II was much better than the Russian performance in WW I

    Russia was undergoing rapid improvement in the decades prior to World War I. So further improvement did not depend on Stalin. Indeed, the disruptions of the Revolution and Civil War caused by the Bolsheviks probably set Russia back 10 years.

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  • AP says:
    @Pseudonymic Handle

    communist incompetence was “brought on” by Germans and “imposed on” Russia by Latvian rifles
     
    My reaction (not SWJ-ism) was triggered by this type of nonsense. How the hell did the german enemies brought on communism in Russia and how did tiny latvia imposed it on giant Russia? Nothing is ever russia's fault.

    even so, expecting gibsmedats instead of reparations after your DEFEAT really would constitute some new peak of presumption
     
    Lol. We never expect gifts from the steppe people. The point was that the soviets looted and mismanaged Romania and other Eastern European countries, so complaining about these countries being poor after you ruined them is idiotic.

    I have no problem with Romania fighting for the Axis. It was a just war and it's a shame we lost it.

    In any case you have less to complain of than almost anyone else, with Romania having gone de facto independent of the USSR in the 1960s.
     
    Nonsense. Romania was still part of the Warsaw Treaty and COMECON, even if a mostly passive one, and was still under the threat of the Brezhnev Doctrine that explicitly rejected any move away from communism in any communist country.

    The simplicity of current romanian cuisine is another result of the poverty of communism (something you said about russia as well) Other closely related post-ottoman cuisines like greek, turkish and lebanese fared much better as they escaped 50 years of food rationing.

    I assume you’re Romanian, based on your offer to meet up with me in Bucharest, which I had fortunately forgotten about and not followed up on
     
    Whatever. Your point about the right having low human capital is correct, so I normally avoid meeting anyone from this crowd in meat space anyway.
    But you seem under the impression that I'm a SJW out to get you, and that's just your paranoia speaking. I've been reading Sailer for at least 10 years and I even posted some of your stuff in the r/SSC Culture War thread.

    My reaction (not SWJ-ism) was triggered by this type of nonsense. How the hell did the german enemies brought on communism in Russia and how did tiny latvia imposed it on giant Russia?

    In 1917-early 1918 the Russian people were collectively passive and a small, determined and ruthless minority had room to achieve “great” things. In the case of the Bolsheviks, their victory at certain crucial points early on would not have been possible if not for the Latvian riflemen (how many were there – 20,000?), who were more disciplined and better soldiers than were the Reds’ enemies. It is generally accepted that if not for the Red Riflemen the Bolsheviks would have failed to keep Moscow which revolted against them. Limited to St. Petersburg, the Revolution would have failed.

    Nothing is ever russia’s fault.

    To the extent that Russia bears some responsibility – it was perhaps too passive to resist the Bolshevik minority. But this is like, for example, blaming the passengers on the hijacked planes on 9-11 because they did not overpower the small number of hijackers armed with box-cutters.

    The point was that the soviets looted and mismanaged Romania and other Eastern European countries, so complaining about these countries being poor after you ruined them is idiotic.

    Correct with regard to the Eastern European countries that did not attack the USSR. Though Romania was taking back Moldova (OTOH Bukovyna was not populated by mostly Romanians).

    Nonsense. Romania was still part of the Warsaw Treaty and COMECON, even if a mostly passive one, and was still under the threat of the Brezhnev Doctrine that explicitly rejected any move away from communism in any communist country.

    The simplicity of current romanian cuisine is another result of the poverty of communism (something you said about russia as well) Other closely related post-ottoman cuisines like greek, turkish and lebanese fared much better as they escaped 50 years of food rationing.

    Agree with first paragraph.

    Not sure about second. Poland was also under communism, yet pre-Communist culinary traditions have been revived; there are excellent restaurants in Poland that serve delicacies according to old recipes. Once can find excellent Hungarian food. And Lviv has some of the best pastries and desserts anywhere. There should be such in Romania if such a tradition had been strong pre-Communism, although perhaps AK did not find them?

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    if not for the Red Riflemen the Bolsheviks would have failed to keep Moscow which revolted against them.

    Maybe the reason AK demands control of the Baltics for his Russian Empire is to extract revenge on the Latvians. Sort of like sewer pond scum Romney running for Senator so that he will be in a better position to punish and extract revenge on the American people for rejecting his Presidential bid.

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  • Transylvanian Morning. I have been unable to follow most of the last week's comments, and probably won't catch up. But FWIW, I enjoyed the gearhead debates at Thorfinnsson's Take on Tesla, the Dmitry vs. Polish Perspective debate on who was or was not in Israel, and reiner Tor's instructions on cold showers. Now that I...
  • AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    ambrazura is a... Ukrainian patriot, with no apparent military experience; 9A4172 is an officer in the Serbian Army who served during the Yugoslav wars.

    So I would generally privilege the latter's opinion:

    This is literally Tank Tactics 101, I'm sure it's taught even in the Ukrainian army. Firing from a hull down position, then driving back to turret down/defilade and observing, either through commander optics, or with the commander standing on the turret and using his binoculars.

    If they failed to do that, it's because they either failed at precisely positioning the tank, or at choosing the spot from which to do that.

    This has jack shit to do with the height of the tank. I did this very exercise in an M-84 (T-72) as a tank commander, and later as a a platoon commander.

    A smaller tank is easier to fit into the position, that's an advantage. It's easier to to this in a T-80, than in a Leopard 2, or an Abrams.

    In real combat, the Russians used this tactic when they were kicking the shit out of the Ukrainian army. They call it the carousel: One tank pops up and shoots, drives back, eventually changes position. When it's going back, another pops up to shoot. It's usually done on a platoon level.
     

    I looked at 9A4172 ‘s posts – Serbian nationalist Russian cheerleader, probably not so credible either.

    This has jack shit to do with the height of the tank. I did this very exercise in an M-84 (T-72) as a tank commander, and later as a a platoon commander.

    Supposedly the test settingwas the specific problem, however. Presumably the Serbian officer didn’t do that on the test grounds used in this competition.

    According to wiki, the Ukrainian tank was 2.215 meters tall – the others ranged from 2.44 (Abrams) to 3 meters tall (the Leopards). So the course could have been designed in such a way that a particularly short tank would have a problem.

    That having been said – it looks like Ukrainian tanks weren’t in working order initially, also, causing large loss of points on the first day, which speaks poorly:

    https://www.facebook.com/bobovnikov/posts/1802333786472677

    Guy was actually more positive on the last day:

    https://www.facebook.com/bobovnikov/videos/1806624886043567/

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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    ambrazura is a... Ukrainian patriot, with no apparent military experience; 9A4172 is an officer in the Serbian Army who served during the Yugoslav wars.

    So I would generally privilege the latter's opinion:

    This is literally Tank Tactics 101, I'm sure it's taught even in the Ukrainian army. Firing from a hull down position, then driving back to turret down/defilade and observing, either through commander optics, or with the commander standing on the turret and using his binoculars.

    If they failed to do that, it's because they either failed at precisely positioning the tank, or at choosing the spot from which to do that.

    This has jack shit to do with the height of the tank. I did this very exercise in an M-84 (T-72) as a tank commander, and later as a a platoon commander.

    A smaller tank is easier to fit into the position, that's an advantage. It's easier to to this in a T-80, than in a Leopard 2, or an Abrams.

    In real combat, the Russians used this tactic when they were kicking the shit out of the Ukrainian army. They call it the carousel: One tank pops up and shoots, drives back, eventually changes position. When it's going back, another pops up to shoot. It's usually done on a platoon level.
     

    Maybe. The same issue was brought up here:

    https://aw.my.com/en/forum/showthread.php?199458-Strong-Europe-Tank-Challenge-2018/page2

    Ukraine’s technical problems are allegedly that the shooting dugouts were made for taller tanks and their vision was impaired.

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