Lance, Right Wing people while slow to change can manage it.

Larry Correia put it this way on his blog

A friend of mine who is a political activist said something interesting the other day, and that was for most people on the left political violence is a knob, and they can turn the heat up and down, with things like protests, and riots, all the way up to destruction of property, and sometimes murder… But for the vast majority of folks on the right, it’s an off and on switch. And the settings are Vote or Shoot Fucking Everybody. And believe me, you really don’t want that switch to get flipped, because Civil War 2.0 would make Bosnia look like a trip to Disneyworld.

Its probably not going to happen but a preference cascade can occur in rapid time and as fragile as the system is, a very few rebels could create mass death.

Otherwise as for leave me alone, this is very true and its why if the Right is to survive its going to have to move into dissident right territory and be willing to exercise power.

Liberty Mike

You sound jealous. Napoleon was an Emperor of France who nearly conquered Europe. That makes up for a lot of shabby things.

And seriously? State employee? Private Sector? . He was the State. Come back when you get close.

Your liberty movement bullshit is kissing cousins with the anarchists and Anarcho-syndicalists and the rest of the jackasses anyway. Look at your ideology and you'll find out you have more in common with AntiFa than the Right

You are commenting on the wrong blog I'm afraid.

All that aside I'd like to disabuse you of a notion I'm sure you have there are no such things as rights much less god granted ones. Power is truth in this world

the exercise of it by great men like Napoleon or anyone else is something to admire and respect for those of us who lack the ability to do it or who disagree with the civic ideals they have

I live in a Blue State , California and no Right Wing person would be clamoring to get in here. Its all 3rd world types and wealthy Leftists that want in.

That said no way can the Right allow strategic for valuable land to be the hands of enemies and the Left will be thinking this as well. At most partition will be buying time before the continent wide war

Worse even if the left and foreigners /non complaints are expelled partition will be complicated by very different strains of Conservatism. I'm not interested nor will I tolerate a Neo Liberal economy if I have just fought to be rid of a liberal tyranny. Its just substituting State for Corporation

I also don't want would be theocrats , Deus Volt types deciding on laws I live under either.

This means either a lot of negotiation or a lot of strife

Its is still a better outcome than the Commies but its not easy, more of a last ditch effort to prevent hundreds of millions dead.

Epigone, I suspect the reason religion plays a part in fertility at the State level is that the US is not socially a developed nation.

Its a younger, less developed nation more on par with Latin America than Europe even without demographic issues.

Its also much less crowded, my favorite example is Oregon. When I was a lad there people were bemoaning population growth when it hit 1/15th the population of Germany!

The US even now has room for large families whereas Europe is basically full to the rim and has been for a hundred years

This makes it doubly insane to bring in migrants but the West's leaders are all status/virtue signalling junkies and think no more reasonably than a crackhead looking for a fix.

Another thing , US elite were very European in the recent past, still are to a high degree but this is shifting and as our elected come to represent the actual people who live here, its going to get interesting in the Chinese curse sense

Those parties are going to want spoils for their constituencies and when they can't get them will as you noted come looking for money.

They certainly won't give a crap about Europe, its not their old country or most of the other places.

This might mean a reduction to US global occupation and the military budget which is not an unfettered good despite what some think.

My personal opinion is the US will be toast by the mid 2030's or so yes a couple of decades or less out . Any idea no matter how loony can be sustained for a 75 years or so and we've been under increasing Cultural Marxism for quite a while , figure the Long March started in the 60's and 75 years is the 2030's.

Alternately if you feel its a century ala the Aztecs, start with Roosevelt and you get the same result.

The only question in my mind is this going to be an economic collapse, a civil war, USSR style fizzle or a combo of them. I don't think anyone really knows though as I noted above I'm betting USSR style with a smattering of war which is for me rather optimistic

The GOP leaders are feckless as seen by the actual lack of Obamacare repeal. They want the corporate money but know they can't win without at least lip service to the base so they are constantly triangulating and dodging responsibility

The only option is to primary every time and replace them with people with the stones to change the party leadership . The problem though is they have so little loyalty they'll throw elections to the Democrats either by running as an "independent " or just switching parties

They care only about getting what they want not the nation,.

So a removal would require a very motivated electorate. It can work after all the Never Trump crowd tired the same strategy but President Trump is unusual in many respects

Still worth trying to vote miracles happen but who really thinks that we can vote our way out of the mess? Seriously much better odds are its collapse into many nations, dealing in lead or some of each not "put in the right guys"

As the confiscating Boomer accounts, not likely. Assuming the US somehow survives the next few decades with collapse or war, the youngest boomers will be 69 by the 2030's .
Most of the money was already spent and many Boomers have no savings anyway.

More likely as its easier is massive money printing. The Feds print/borrow something like at least 1/3 of the budget now which is like 10% of the GDP.

This is how 3rd workers do it and so will we.

Its also possible we may try confiscatory taxes but no matter how they go, they won't get much more money . The US is subject to a specially brutal iteration of the Laffer Curve called Hauser's Law by which the Feds can get no more than 20% of GDP in revenue no matter what the rates are

All societies have such a limit its just higher in some others .

Long term bet on collapse from internal contradictions with maybe a smattering of war.

What happens when too many men are unattached is drug abuse not war. Weed is legal here in So Cal and there are so many people stoned on something its not even note worthy The illegal stuff , heroin , meth and quasi legal bath salts are also ubiquitous

If they didn't have those it would be all booze all the time.

This is probably better but honestly the roads get closed or traffic delayed do to accidents by these wasters I don't think I'd notice an insurgency doing it om purpose.

As for male/female it will stay screwed up until either the economy gets bad or Left dies off. This is no guarantee of higher fertility though

The fertility rate in modernity is tied strongly to the economy as see in the declines in the 30's, 70's, 80's and so on each a different culture but with economic malaise or decline as part of all of them. And do note most people have had no economic benefit from the GDP growth, actual non tax gains are concentrated in a 10% range . Jobs are also much less stable. Parenting takes two decades of costs and if jobs aren't, people will think twice about that extra kid

And note modern divorce was not ubiquitous in 1972 neither was abortion, Roe was a year out and No Fault was 3 years old.The TFR was basically the same as now

Until the economy is fixed and housing costs decline, which will require mass repatriation and regulation of banks, don't expect much if any stability much less growth

Even a harder life and more religiosity as in Eastern Europe has zero impact . In fact White Germans and Scandinavians have a higher fertility that any part of Eastern Europe

All that aside in the long term, that is we'll all be dead long term the population decline will stop as the most fertile religious people will be most of the population

1st, Joshua, L.D.S. theology is whack but as the Bible says "By their fruits ye shall know them." and I've spent a lot of time with the L.D.S. and in Utah. Its a highly fertile, moral , trusting and generally ethically Christian place. The White fertility rate is higher there than in any other state in fact.

And while yes L.D.S. people kind of our Jew like, so what? Compared to most of Christendom,in the US they are doing it right

Sectarian jealousy doesn't change the fact that the Mormons out-Christian many of the the property gospel Pharisees, the Not of the World crowd and ever single mainline Protestant denomination

Jig:

The LDS are no more responsible for the FLDS a groups who practices are illegal and whose members are excommunicate than Evangelicals are for people like David Koresh . Utah has strict laws on polygamy that are enforced

Trump's been mouthing off about more gun control and whining about his AG not doing things he needs to do instead of giving orders to get it done or resign

I'm hard pressed to see anything in the way of "guts" here especially the kind that would provoke immediate succession by a good chunk of country and and old fashioned civil war. Hell Texas might see this as "them next" right after the Democrats get control and leave the union

Don't get me wrong, being rid of the progs would be good for the sane part is the country but the Republicans are looter cucks and as long as most of them get to loot, they don't care about the country any more than the Left does and wouldn't tolerate it . Trump would have to decale martial law first and its not in him.

President Trump's a deal maker and while being as shrewd as he is he'll come out a bit ahead , he isn't a gutsy leader . He just looks like one because the last leaders have been so weak

And yes he got a lot done, its all doctrinaire Republican stuff most of it what the Oligarchs desire anyway with a few things thrown in otherwise. Getting that through a Republican house and Senate isn't hard and being praised by the Heritage Foundation is no sign of bravery

And no ignoring insults isn't a sign of a war leader either Trump in his heart is a wrestling heel just like he played in the WWF back in the day . He thrives on it

Its good and fine to count on Generation Z but that kid David Hogg is a Zyklon too as were his wannabe gun grabbing classmates , its hopeful to count on President Trump but he's mouthing off about executive order gun control

Fact is its up to us and baring a miracle, its going to be ugly and baring two miracles, CONUS as a union is a goner

The trick is though instead of being a reactionary like nearly all Conservatives , do what the Left does figure out what a post Leftist society is going to be and to work to make that happen

The Right reacts but its always defensive and that's why they always lose. Vision matter and they ain't got one.

Just an aside, the first time the total fertility rate in the US hit its current just below replacement level was the 1930's

I strongly doubt that hedonism was the cause nor was "people getting nerdy" although they assuredly are, frigging Old Spice (yes the cologne) produced a Dungeons and Dragons supplement after all!

In fact low fertility may be the norm once a certain level of development is achieved and the baby boom an anomaly caused by non repeatable conditions (delayed desire for family formation and unprecedented economic growth)

I'd suggest there is a very strong economic component , urbanism and taxes making it too hard to have large families, throw in the fact that all the wealth is owned by a few people or institutions and you have the recipe for a disaster.

Basically wages are too low (half what they were as percentage GDP in 1973) society is too expensive to maintain, taxes and expenses go up something has to give so its extra fertility.

And note taxes are crazy now compared to the past and while yes absolute tax rates at the high end were very high during the baby boom, most people didn't pay much as in taxes as they do now

Energy was cheaper, housing was cheaper per square foot and these are big expenses

Some goods were much cheaper as well a comic books say Spiderman cost about 97 cents modern money during the baby boom

As for the psychology, I'm guess that .3 (that is 1/3 of 1) reduction is caused by feminism and the rest is caused by all other cultural and economic trends

Its not self indulgence, self indulgence unlike child rearing expenses is something that can be done when money allows. Its not an ongoing expense

If any technology could be blamed its television. Brazil as able to achieve western fertility rates with carefully constructed programming and a nation TV roll out. Its about the same as the US now

Last luke jones, that's not accurate

There are about 14 million Mormons world wide and its very unlikely that between 700,000 and 1.4 million are polygamous

The FLDS who are a polygamous offshoot number around 7000-10k members and assuming globally there are 10x that many which is unlikely its at most 1% probably less than that

This would mean at most polygamy is 10x more common among Muslims than LDS , 20x is more probable

Dissident Right re: Roman and Greeks

Unnatural ? They were far closer to natural instincts than we are.

Anyway where is there Imperial faith now? Maybe 10,000 people give credence to those Gods and Goddesses when millions once did ? A tiny percentage .

And what do you think happened when people stopped following them and the empire died . A few became Christian and the other went back to family Gods, spirits and sacred places till the Christians became numerous enough through conversion, force and assimilation to replace them

Nothing much stops Christianity from going down that route

Now re: Neopgananism

I share your opinion on that, very few of the Heathens believe in Heathenry. Doesn't mean they won't fake it till they make it but its pretty unlikely . Wiccans actually believe what they preach but its worthless as a faith for most people.

I'll guess we'll get dispersed religion and a myriad of localized beliefs, cults and faiths. maybe one will become the main one (even Christianity could pull it off) The main beliefs will include spirits, some kind of afterlife and for Whites a sense that some parts of nature are sacred

This is my guess and truth is I could be wrong

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Collapse is not predicated on oil. The US despite being awash in oil is already collapsing , roads eroding, infrastructure falling apart (D+ according to American society of civil engineers) GLOBAL IQ in decline do to low IQ fertility, mass immigration and low fertility among smart people, worse. we can't even maintain the pretense of a functional Republic

You might get a dystopia for some time , a long time or a civil war but collapse is inevitable and while I agree the guys waiting for the Z Poc are as you say Ghost Dancing , the world is a mess and getting worse. It has no recovery option

The free energy Space future isn't 't going to happen. Fusion power is always twenty years away
Hell the brilliant Elon Musk makes a good chunk of his money with hats and gimmicky drip torches pretending to be flamethrowers when he isn't getting government gravy

You are living in start of Idiocracy

And Tashkent Lustow

We have very little evidence that despite higher fertility rates the industrialized world is getting more religious and plenty that its getting less so. Agreed that highly religious people have larger families but they often don't stay that way and gradually over time become more secularized. The LDS is spot on example, Utah has the highest White Christian fertility around is a state that supports religious values , has an OK economy and the Mormon church is heavy into recruiting

They basically are able to hold the line

The lower IQ, High Time preference sorts will get more religious a but they can't sustain complexity.

So yeah, 86 IQ Muslims and African Christians an the like are not going to space and may have trouble maintaining the numbers they have now.

On the whole all human populations even in the MENA regions are having lower fertility. Iran has a TFR a smidgen above Germany and Brazil a smidgen above the US. Both are not secular nations, Iran being an actual Islamic theocracy

This is IMO a natural response to overpopulation. 7 Billion is unsustainable. we probably can't sustain 4 except in uniform poverty. This will change over longer periods of time that none oif us will see.

That said I generally agree that people will be getting more religious . They may not have any organized religion or bother with church though but instead a set of folks and spiritual beliefs . Something more akin to the New Age without the hokum.

This is ample to suit human needs

Anonymous, being recently tech obsessed or tech addicted is perfectly compatible with a natural tendency to see the sacred in nature and to believe in spirits and the like rather than an organized religion

The tech thing is pretty new anyway and synthetic . Its waning now

In any case go into a national forest in the US sometimes or look at who goes camping or does other "nature" based activities (excluding weed of course) . Its largely Whites and a few Hispanics and others

health food, ecological charities, animal welfare, a mania for pets all that stuff while other have it is quite implicitly White and driven by this impulse .

As for those nations, all Asian and not really germane . That said they are all even more crowded than the West is and not hugely lower than most parts of Eastern Europe, 1/10 of a child per couple doesn't count for much

Germany is a whopping 1/3 child per couple over Singapore as of 2015 anyway.

The only exception is Macau which really is crazy low

Also matriarchal polygamy? Not likely or really relevant since I'm not taking Mariam Gimbutas's approach to things. In any case Christianity isn't natural to Europe , it an import from the Middle East that got modified in Rome and later the rest of Europe

Our "leaders" are hungry for it or something like it as is if you'll forgive a clumsy metaphor, software that helps them control larger numbers of people. Its reduces tribalism and encourages behaviors that benefit a stronger state

It civilizes people and domesticates them basically.

Understandable they'd like it and a muscular Christianity isn't bad. Modern Christianity though is a, over bred lap dog vs a German Shepherd and its toxic heresy leads to the Progressivism and to Soy Boys

Barbarism is coming though in few centuries maybe much much sooner and if you want to hazard a guess as to what it will be it will be either very local religion and customs or whatever the warlords impose.

It won't be Christianity in most places and it won't be our tech/progress obsession either. That's a new thing compared to custom and tradition and while not a flash in the pan , not permanent either

Heck people are already turning of social media, TV and the like and replacing it with a more individualized experience

Functionally as the globe goes deeper into its catabloic collapse or possibly dystopia for a while, the love of tech will end as we won't have as much

It is possible Islam could force itself on Europe but that is conquest and its unnatural and doesn't seem to have widespread appeal.

The natural religion for European derived peoples is something akin to Animism and Nature Worship

Its why those lands are packed with so many sacred sights, stone monoliths, sacred wells and the like.

Its also explains some of the zealotry about global warming, environmentalism and to a degree the population collapse in the sterile urban areas .

European people generally don't seem to like sterile cities very much and don't do well in them, in order to put more people on the land so the elite can use them as consumers, we push urban development and this creates a condition where the natural fertility rate declines.

Once the remaining shards of Christianity fizzle out I suspect that most people will start to believe in spirits of all stripes instead of organized religion .

I tend to see inklings of this on American cable of all things where Destination America which used to be a travel channel has become "all ghost, all the time" with episode after episode of 95% White people having spiritual experiences

That and some nature worship is IMO our natural religion reasserting itself.

It also suggest a possible solution to the breeding problem, well beyond policy changes and that is making cities more organic and life more down to Earth.

Something like moving farms closer to town, more parks and trees in even working class White neighborhoods and jobs/work policies that get people outside might have some beneficial effect

So will population decline by the way, take the UK nearly 60 million in a place the size of a moderate US state is absurd. Historically the population was 5 or 10% of this and peak UK (say mid Victorian era) was half this

The only reason the elite are freaking out over it is that they can't cope with healthy population decline for a lot of bad reasons, mainly they see everyone as something more akin to cattle

Truth is we in the West aren't suffering a population decline but from a pathological elite and invasion. Deal with that, let the population decline and it will stabilize with a healthier stock anyway

One of the few channels with any growth is the Hallmark Channel which is growing 10% a year and went from 1 channel to 3 channels in a short time and given it only reaches 1/6 of the market its doing quite well fro itself

Its programming implicitly White, sentimental , clean and not too dark I describe it as kind of what the world would be if diverse areas were 80% White and the rest 90%+ and people were basically decent

The most interesting thing is that its viewers are not as old as you'd expect with big growth in the 25-44 range on top of the seniors, its doing demographically about as well as network TV and only has room to grow

This tells me the man who can promise a world more like that to his followers and looks like he can deliver it will have an army to fight for him. That is something worth fighting for and even dying for so your kids can live in it