RSSI don't trust Vance for most of the reasons listed here, but this is bs. Four years is one enlistment tour and lots of us signed up with that in mind. The "11 years" figure is arrived at as an average because lifers do a minimum of 20 to get a pension, and there are (or were back in the day) three year and five year contracts. Indeed, if he had spent 11 years in the service that would be suspect, because it's too long for a short-timer and too short for a lifer, so you'd wonder if he got kicked out.Replies: @Thomas Zaja
Even before delving into his fluctuating political views, one can see from Vance’s biographical details that he is not a man of stable character. Vance lasted four years in the military while the average service time is 11 years.
Fair enough, it’s more the free-loading; firstly on the Marine title when he just shuffled papers, then getting to study via G.I. Bill.
That's your idea of 'free-loading', for a poor working-class kid with no other prospects?I have my doubts about this Vance guy, but you're disparaging him for his virtues. Back when he joined the marines it wasn't obvious that all ZOG's wars were all based on lies, and so he could be forgiven for his enlistment, (Pat Tillman is a stone-cold American hero, [RIP]), particularly when it was all about getting funds for college, something that is generally beyond the financial wherewithal of working-class white kids in the ZUSA. I can't imagine why you would imply these things are character flaws, when I see them as the opposite. Yes, he's a scoundrel and a whore. Anyone who's a U.S. Senator is a scoundrel and a whore. But there are degrees of that, and Senators like Rand Paul are far less treasonous than most Senators. This is from his Wiki page, and we all know Wiki is hard leftist
it’s more the free-loading; firstly on the Marine title when he just shuffled papers, then getting to study via G.I. Bill.
Political positionsDuring his time in the U.S. Senate, JD Vance has been described as national conservative,[169][170] right-wing populist,[169][171] and an ideological successor to paleoconservatives such as Pat Buchanan.[172] Vance describes himself, and has been described by others, as a member of the postliberal right.[173][174][175][176] He is known for his ties to Silicon Valley.[177] Vance has said he is "plugged into a lot of weird, right-wing subcultures" online.[175] Vance has endorsed books written by Heritage Foundation leader Kevin Roberts and far-right conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec.[178][179]On social issues, Vance is considered conservative.[180] He opposes abortion,[181][182] same-sex marriage,[180] and gun control.[183][184][185] He has taken a number of natalist positions. He has repeatedly expressed his belief that childlessness is linked to sociopathy, and advocated that parents have more voting power than non-parents.[186][187] In August 2024, he backtracked from that suggestion.[188] Vance has lamented that increased divorces adversely affect children of divorced parents.[189] He has proposed federal criminalization of gender-affirming care for minors.[190] He opposes continued American military aid to Ukraine during the ongoing Russian invasion.[191][192][193] Vance has argued that the country's largest and most powerful institutions have united against the right and has called for "a de-woke-ification program".[194][195] He is critical of universities, which he has called "the enemy".[196] Vance is also critical of both the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.[197]I don't agree with Vance on his stance on abortion and rape, but for whatever reason, he seems to hold to it. And that, I suspect, will be the undoing of Trump's campaign, because, (leaving aside the very real possibility that the whole thing is a fraud and a farce), it will be the abortion issue that will motivate a critical mass of females to the election booth, in order to protect their prerogative to kill their babies.Replies: @Truth Vigilante
Most of my articles, going back to 2014, are on TOO. Ron decided on marquee, not me. Unz Review is not supposed to be an echo chamber of sychophantism.
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/author/thomas-zaja/
Most of my articles, going back to 2014, are on TOO.
You think raped women should be forced to continue the pregnancy?
Vance's post (screencap link) was clearly meant as sarcasm -- even Snopes is honest enough to admit that -- in fact, it appears Vance consistently and publicly opposed COVID vaccine mandates, including one imposed by Ohio State.
During the COVID-19 pandemic, Vance tweeted that nurses should be fired by the thousands if they refused the vaccine.
Thanks for picking this up. It was a late addition to the article, just working off memory. I asked Ron to remove it.
@thegeezer @buster-the-body-crab
Due to the influx (and reflux) of acerbic grumbling from several commentators, I thought I would address and reiterate some points.
It certainly was a hit piece. Guilty as charged. The target was you, dear reader, if you are one of those reflexive MAGA loyalists with a siege mentality, who’s focused more on the war-paint than the weaponry. So many of you are just smitten with this turncoat Vance because his contingent loyalty happens to currently align with yours. All it took was for Vance to personally meet Trump in 2021 for him to change his mind! Of course, people deserve second chances, but not in front of so many other people who didn’t have their first chance, and especially not with such stakes in play. Neophytes deserve a quarantine period of ten years, not three.
No, I do not believe all politicians are such debased mercenaries who jump ship when the winds of fortune change. There were many competent alternatives whom could have been selected and were loyal to Trump from the start and didn’t have such glaring skeletons in their closets. Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Vivek Ramaswamy and Kari Lake come to mind. The last two may not have served any time in office, but then again neither did Trump. I chose to mention Kari, simply because I believe she would have made a massive dent in the woman vote and also she ran on deporting illegals without federal approval. She also topped a CPAC and TPA poll in 2023 for VP pick. Gaining votes is the number one priority in selecting the VP. Most of the pundits seemed to forget that. I’ve not heard a single constituency that Vance brings in that Trump didn’t already carry well.
Almost all of the criticism to my article was reduced to quibbling over minor details, rather than disproving the central thesis. He himself questioned whether he was gay when he was young, an anecdote mentioned in his memoir. People might be interested to see a photograph with his „friend“ on Vance’s wedding day no less:
Someone said Vance’s family has a genetic condition another said he wears eyeliner, Vance’s wife said his eyes are natural – I don’t believe any of these but either way it’s weird. Regarding COVID, Vance may have opposed mandates but he took the experimental vaccine without any shred of skepticism or self-respect.
Regarding the military, I don’t believe his enlistment had anything to do with patriotism, rather he joined it to pad his CV, get the title of Marine and enjoy the perks of being a veteran. The military has become a giant social program. In whose interest is it that the system does not thoroughly disambiguate combat vs. non-combat? All part of the inclusivity and equality agenda. Officially, he was a military journalist in Iraq – I’ve not been able to find a single article, just a screenshot of one article. There’s not much genuinely marine about him, except maybe the blubber. If he was drafted to fight I’ve little doubt he’d develop asthma or diabetes overnight. Yet for someone who was allegedly in Iraq for six months and supposedly became disillusioned by foreign interventions, he’s not made his anti-war position clear, because of course he’s amenable. He’s only said he’s against funding the Ukraine war (…to focus on others).
Vance won because he had powerful backers and because Trump ran an Apprentice-style competition for the role, for which this smarty pants motor mouth was well suited. We may as well have selected Ben Shapiro. What use are debating skills and prodigious memorizing of current right-wing talking points if the Achilles heel is loyalty? If this status-obsessed careerist is loyal to Trump for the entire term, it would only be because he had calculated that it was in his best interests to do so. No doubt there’s a chance that the first opportunity that comes his way when the men in dark suits show up, the poor little hillbilly will take it, with very little cognitive massaging required. Et tu, Cletus?
You’re a loon if you think there’s something ‘weird’ with his eyes. That or YOU are second guessing your sexuality. Whatever, the American South is cram packed with people who look like Vance eyes and all. I’m related to some of them and we’ve been around this part of North America without running into too many Zaja’s for many, many generations. Maybe the people of Zaja-land do think historic stock Americans look weird but I think you should assume that’s a problem with you not him.
Someone said Vance’s family has a genetic condition another said he wears eyeliner,
Incomprehensible and made in a vacuum of logic, and components that are linked to reinforcing evidence.
So many of you are just smitten with this turncoat Vance because his contingent loyalty happens to currently align with yours. All it took was for Vance to personally meet Trump in 2021 for him to change his mind! Of course, people deserve second chances, but not in front of so many other people who didn’t have their first chance, and especially not with such stakes in play. Neophytes deserve a quarantine period of ten years, not three.
Shallow and specious. Trump's choice of VP weighs in several factors. His range of advisors are pollsters, pundits, intellectuals, billionaires, working people, and of course his wife. Only one thing matters, and that is to win. Since you appear bound by over-simplification and unwarranted hubris, take this as a gift from me.
No, I do not believe all politicians are such debased mercenaries who jump ship when the winds of fortune change. There were many competent alternatives whom could have been selected and were loyal to Trump from the start and didn’t have such glaring skeletons in their closets. Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Vivek Ramaswamy and Kari Lake come to mind. The last two may not have served any time in office, but then again neither did Trump. I chose to mention Kari, simply because I believe she would have made a massive dent in the woman vote and also she ran on deporting illegals without federal approval. She also topped a CPAC and TPA poll in 2023 for VP pick. Gaining votes is the number one priority in selecting the VP. Most of the pundits seemed to forget that. I’ve not heard a single constituency that Vance brings in that Trump didn’t already carry well.
Due to the influx (and reflux) of acerbic grumbling from several commentators, I thought I would address and reiterate some points.
It certainly was a hit piece. Guilty as charged. The target was you, dear reader, if you are one of those reflexive MAGA loyalists with a siege mentality, who’s focused more on the war-paint than the weaponry.
Loyalty??? LMFAO!!!!! You mean like Mike Pence's loyalty to Trump??? Or Johnson's Loyalty to JKF? Or the 60 Senator's Loyalty to Julius Cezar?
What use are debating skills and prodigious memorizing of current right-wing talking points if the Achilles heel is loyalty?
Agree completely, HIV is a harmless passenger virus turned into a scapegoat by the HIVe mind medical establishment. Though there were hundreds, maybe thousands of experts on the record who dissented. As Duesberg used to say, there’s no such thing as a slow virus — only slow virologists.
What I never understood is that there’s been no country to officially rejected the narrative. Even North Korea accepts it, but claims to have never had a single case. Nor will they, because they don’t have the bogus “tests”. I suppose it’s always been in the interests of authoritarian regimes to socially engineer against promiscuity. The West may not be concerned with that, there’s too much money to be made on AIDS drugs.
Funny about that
What I never understood is that there’s been no country to officially rejected the narrative.
Really? The Nazis had the Lebensborn program for unwed mothers, for one. Need children for the Wehrmacht!
it’s always been in the interests of authoritarian regimes to socially engineer against promiscuity.
East Turkestan (Xinjiang) is being Sinofied through sheer demographic swamping and this is no accident. There are even explicit policies to encourage miscegenation between Han Chinese and Uyghurs through financial incentives. One of the weddings shown by Katherine was a mixed one. And I doubt very much she would get her hands dirty and start asking questions from locals about who has gone missing and who is currently internment camping. Just another free spirit roaming the countryside to have a good time.
Ron does not mention the Uyghur Human Rights Project, but their reporting seems credible to me.
So, can we at least call it a passive genocide or perhaps a soft genocide?
https://uhrp.org/report/forced-marriage-of-uyghur-women/
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-uighur-monitor-home-shared-bed-report-2019-11
Unless you bother to spend a minute to search for their source of funding:
Ron does not mention the Uyghur Human Rights Project, but their reporting seems credible to me.
So, can we at least call it a passive genocide or perhaps a soft genocide?
I’m vicious? What a hysterical reply. First of all, I am in Europe. Are you by any chance Chinese… and where do you live?
You completely missed the point about citizen journalists and travel bloggers not reporting on anything negative. The disincentives to do are huge. China is an authoritarian and paranoid panopticon of a state that monitors people like mad and restricts their ability to work, get a loan or travel if they don’t tow the party line. It doesn’t even allow Facebook or Youtube while their domestic social media is so tightly controlled that keywords and names are insta-blocked on a large scale. You internment camps are open to the public for inspection? Westerners who’ve filmed much less have had their footage destroyed at the airport. I’m simply amazed that people don’t find it a red flag that freedom of religion is not even tolerated. Uyghur Muslims aren’t even allowed to have long beards. Christianity is banned and the Ten Commandments must be replaced with a portrait of Xi in every household. I think we know who the apologist here is.
As for your instruction to “give back the USA to the red man” that is one of the dumbest anachronisms for obvious reasons, but, let’s make this interesting and argue the moral point. Why is the USA such a magnet for all of the colored people of the world in a way that China is not? Why is USA so free and China not free? Why do thousands of Chinese fly to Guam to give birth and get citizenship for their offspring? Why do Chinese commit so much espionage and patent theft? Why are so many things in China fake and counterfeited? Why does China have to import baby milk formula from high-trust countries? When will Uyghurs and Tibetans get sovereign reservations, casino licenses and other perks? Is White Americans “stealing” undeveloped land centuries ago that bad compared to Chinese annexation of ancient Xinjiang and Tibet in 1946-50? Looking forward to your answers.
Huh? I didn't accuse you of being vicious. I did accuse you of have a "bleeding heart" for the Uighurs. If you don't know the difference, I suggest you google it.
I’m vicious?
Then I apologise for getting your location wrong. Instead you should be preparing space to receive back all the descendents of the colonists that the Europeans have sent out all over the world. Your people went on to dominate 4 out of the world's 6 inhabitable continents.Now like a hypocrite, you wag your finger at China.
I am in Europe.
and where do you live?I live in Southeast Asia. In a country that was colonised by Britain. Before that, my region was colonised by the Dutch. Before that my people was colonised by the Portuguese. Before that, we traded with the Chinese for 2000 years and they never once tried to conquer us. But within 50 years of contact with Europe, you had already begun stealing our cities and colonising us.To hear you hypocritical Europeans now accusing the Chinese of ill treating the Uighurs, just makes me want to vomit!
They upload their videos when they are outside China. What can the Chinese government do to them after they have left?
The disincentives to do are huge.
This is the very kind of indoctrination that Unz is writing about. You have concluded that China is a hellhole without even bothered to go to see for yourself.And when the accounts of other people that have actually been to China contradict with your view, you simply toss them out with trite dismissals.
The disincentives to do are huge. China is an authoritarian and paranoid panopticon
freedom of religion is not even tolerated.WTF?????????????
Huh? I didn't accuse you of being vicious. I did accuse you of have a "bleeding heart" for the Uighurs. If you don't know the difference, I suggest you google it.
I’m vicious?
Then I apologise for getting your location wrong. Instead you should be preparing space to receive back all the descendents of the colonists that the Europeans have sent out all over the world. Your people went on to dominate 4 out of the world's 6 inhabitable continents.Now like a hypocrite, you wag your finger at China.
I am in Europe.
and where do you live?I live in Southeast Asia. In a country that was colonised by Britain. Before that, my region was colonised by the Dutch. Before that my people was colonised by the Portuguese. Before that, we traded with the Chinese for 2000 years and they never once tried to conquer us. But within 50 years of contact with Europe, you had already begun stealing our cities and colonising us.To hear you hypocritical Europeans now accusing the Chinese of ill treating the Uighurs, just makes me want to vomit!
They upload their videos when they are outside China. What can the Chinese government do to them after they have left?
The disincentives to do are huge.
This is the very kind of indoctrination that Unz is writing about. You have concluded that China is a hellhole without even bothered to go to see for yourself.And when the accounts of other people that have actually been to China contradict with your view, you simply toss them out with trite dismissals.
The disincentives to do are huge. China is an authoritarian and paranoid panopticon
freedom of religion is not even tolerated.WTF?????????????
Mulga used the word vicious. I can’t tag multiple people at once unfortunately.
You could not answer any of my questions, especially why so many colored people of the world want to move to the USA and take advantage of this terrible example of colonialism. You ought to learn a bit of the difference between colonialists and settlers. Building a country from lands still stuck in the stone age is not the same as conquering ancient civilizations in Eurasia. They’ve also opened up the West through incredibly generous immigration policies, which of course the Chinese have taken advantage of. You never answered why almost all the instances of espionage and patent theft in the West are perpetrated by Chinese.
The British relinquished India, but China keeps its empire because it’s contiguous? Who is the hypocrite? It’s not just Tibet and East Turkestan. It’s Inner Mongolia, Manchuria. Taiwan’s indigenous were Maori related, but I suppose that conquering happened long ago. You feel personally aggrieved that your country (+ region) was colonialised by Brits, Dutch and Portuguese, without really explaining why. We are not living in the past we are living now.
While you are apologizing for getting my continent wrong, you go on to smear all Europeans as colonialists. Europe has 53 countries and perhaps 8 did colonialism, with some positive and negative outcomes from that. I am not from a country that did any colonialism, in fact if you want to make this personal it was “You” Asiatics that did the murdering, raping, enslaving and imperialism in Eastern Europe through the Mongol Empire, Ottoman Turkish Empire, Hunnic Empire, plus various other invaders like Tatars and Avars who were East Asian and Central Asian
If China’s so good at treating its Uyghurs, why not just let them rule their own country, like they once did less than a hundred years ago? I think we know why you don’t want that.
You think that by posting videos of mosque visits that proves much? Looks like you don’t understand the concept of freedom. You can’t have half-freedom, half restrictions. Why are beards illegal or churches shut down? The Chinese government even oversees the reincarnation process now for tulkus. Why is the Dalai Lama in exile? You think these realities can be outweighed by counter-evidence that you post of travel bloggers having a merry old time with regime friendly content so their visa isn’t cancelled?
You couldn’t answer any of my questions, for obvious reasons. You just have a spammy bot-like approach of posting content like “but wait look at this over here” and clogging the comments sections. Stay angry, you ought to be.
Chiming in, hopefully my approach is more neutral.
If China’s so good at treating its Uyghurs, why not just let them rule their own country,
Unless you bother to spend a minute to search for their source of funding:
Ron does not mention the Uyghur Human Rights Project, but their reporting seems credible to me.
So, can we at least call it a passive genocide or perhaps a soft genocide?
The source for funding doesn’t mean that the data is bad. Just from the stuff that’s out in the open like official government policy should set alarm bells off:
“China has deployed more than a million spies – most of them male and part of the country’s Han ethnic majority – to stay in Uighur households every two months as part of what it calls the “Pair Up and Become Family” programme. During their visits, the officials – who the government describes as “relatives” of the monitored families – work, eat, and often share a bed with their “hosts”, one Communist party officer told RFA.”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/muslim-china-uighur-forced-share-beds-male-officials-detention-camps-a9185861.html
Nothing to see here. Not at all creepy big brother on steroids.
The 2022 UN report on Uyghurs claims 2 million are in internment camps and the fertility rate has dropped sharply compared to the rest of China. Is all of this CIA-funded propaganda? Please tell us the real figures. And that’s the thing with China… you can’t get any figures that are reliable, just like you can’t trust that the lion in the zoo is really that and not a dog.
You seem like the sort of total idiot who believes every undocumented claim that a US government funded propaganda-outfit makes. I'm sure you also believed in Saddam's WMDs as well, not to mention the forty beheaded Israeli babies.
The source for funding doesn’t mean that the data is bad. Just from the stuff that’s out in the open like official government policy should set alarm bells off:
I'm pretty skeptical about your claim. For example, all our MSM outlets had previously declared that the UN claimed a million Uighurs were being held in camps, but that turned out to be a hoax, merely based upon the statements of an American official who was working at the UN . Here's the Grayzone article revealing the fraud:
The 2022 UN report on Uyghurs claims 2 million are in internment camps and the fertility rate has dropped sharply compared to the rest of China. Is all of this CIA-funded propaganda?
You didn't bother to provide a link to that report. Here it is:
The 2022 UN report on Uyghurs claims 2 million are in internment camps
11. Historically, the population of XUAR is one of the poorest in China. It has been the focus of numerous development and poverty alleviation policies by the central authorities.20 According to State media, 2.3 million people in XUAR emerged from poverty between 2014 and 2018, of which 1.9 million were from southern Xinjiang, which has the highest population of ethnic groups.21 According to official Government information, in 2021, Xinjiang registered seven per cent growth in gross domestic product (GDP) and an increase of per capita disposable income for urban and rural residents of eight per cent and 10.8 per cent.22 Moreover, 1.69 million rural houses and 1.56 million government-subsidized housing projects in cities and towns have reportedly been constructed.23
You seem like the sort of total idiot who believes every undocumented claim that a US government funded propaganda-outfit makes. I'm sure you also believed in Saddam's WMDs as well, not to mention the forty beheaded Israeli babies.
The source for funding doesn’t mean that the data is bad. Just from the stuff that’s out in the open like official government policy should set alarm bells off:
I'm pretty skeptical about your claim. For example, all our MSM outlets had previously declared that the UN claimed a million Uighurs were being held in camps, but that turned out to be a hoax, merely based upon the statements of an American official who was working at the UN . Here's the Grayzone article revealing the fraud:
The 2022 UN report on Uyghurs claims 2 million are in internment camps and the fertility rate has dropped sharply compared to the rest of China. Is all of this CIA-funded propaganda?
That the MSM were deceptive about the UN report in 2018 is not the fault of the UN.
The 2022 UN report has not been debunked, not even by the two guys who run the Grayzone. China’s official response was that it was “distorted.” Only 2 million in re-education camps and plunging birth-rates… so which part of that is distorted and by how much I don’t know. As I said, I am just interested to know the real figures… from the folks who watch some ditzy American princess on Youtube as she travels the countryside on a moped, dropping in on weddings and teaching ESL. What expert sleuthing behind enemy lines.
I don’t claim to be an arbiter of truth. I just really don’t understand giving the benefit of the doubt to a culture that has lying baked into its bread. That ranks at the very bottom of low-trust behavior (this has been empirically shown through lost wallet experiments). That needs to censor and control information to such an extreme degree. If you can’t trust the baby formula to be free of lead than you can’t trust anything. They cheat at everything, and I’m not talking about just counterfeiting. Why not believe the many Uyghurs who have escaped China? Why is the Dalai Lama in exile too?
Never believed WMD, nor pro-Israel victimologies. Which UN report confirmed those?
Well, I've never paid much attention to those propagandistic Uighur genocide claims, which I regarded as ridiculous. But since you've been pressing the issue, I spent five minutes Googling around and completely confirmed my impressions.
That the MSM were deceptive about the UN report in 2018 is not the fault of the UN.
The 2022 UN report has not been debunked, not even by the two guys who run the Grayzone. China’s official response was that it was “distorted.”
The previous year, de Zayas and Prof. Richard Falk, another very highly regarded international human rights expert whose work I have followed for decades had said similar things, focusing on the enormous pressure being exerted on the UN by American officials:
On 31 August 2022, the last day of Michelle Bachelet’s 4-year tenure as UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, the Office released a 46-page document, which I believe should be discarded as propagandistic, biased, and methodologically flawed. This document, which was not mandated by the Human Rights Council and responds to pressures on OHCHR by Washington and Brussels, bears the superficially neutral title “ Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region”
No one can doubt China’s economic development and industrial ethic. They’re just quite adept at hiding the bad stuff, including their internal colonialism and demographic swamping. Their preferred M.O. is death by a thousands cuts.
American organs are not nearly as anti-China as they could be, considering that top officials frequently identify China as the number one adversary. Too busy demonizing Russia and Middle East countries as they are easier pickings. China own a lot of US debt, while there’s also much economic dependence on Chinese manufacturing…
Well, I've never paid much attention to those propagandistic Uighur genocide claims, which I regarded as ridiculous. But since you've been pressing the issue, I spent five minutes Googling around and completely confirmed my impressions.
That the MSM were deceptive about the UN report in 2018 is not the fault of the UN.
The 2022 UN report has not been debunked, not even by the two guys who run the Grayzone. China’s official response was that it was “distorted.”
The previous year, de Zayas and Prof. Richard Falk, another very highly regarded international human rights expert whose work I have followed for decades had said similar things, focusing on the enormous pressure being exerted on the UN by American officials:
On 31 August 2022, the last day of Michelle Bachelet’s 4-year tenure as UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, the Office released a 46-page document, which I believe should be discarded as propagandistic, biased, and methodologically flawed. This document, which was not mandated by the Human Rights Council and responds to pressures on OHCHR by Washington and Brussels, bears the superficially neutral title “ Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region”
That is a rather small cadre of pen-pushers quibbling over clerical matters like methodology, sources and semantics. Not a convincing rebuttal at all, rather predicated upon “we better be 100% sure before we accuse them of something nasty” — unrealistic standard. The report stands, the only point of contention is over the use of the word genocide, because anything outside of killing is going to be a gray zone.
Human rights lawyers are hesitant about the demographic angle, because they realize there’s a fine line between intent and outcome. Have white British been genocided from London or ethnic French from Paris? No, not completely and not intentionally! And neither will the Uyghurs as they dwindle away under the supervision of their government assigned house-sitters flown in from 3,000 miles away.
I never accused the Chinese of genocide, rather internal imperialism, demographic swamping, religious intolerance, etc., if you don’t like the term soft genocide that’s fine. By the way, it is actually the Chinese side who is using the WMD line because they justify their extreme crackdown on the need to counter Uyghur terrorism…
Look, you're just some random rightwing guy on the Internet, who has zero credibility in my mind. I doubt you speak Mandarin let alone Uyghur and it's not clear whether you've ever been to China.
That is a rather small cadre of pen-pushers quibbling over clerical matters like methodology, sources and semantics.
Look, you're just some random rightwing guy on the Internet, who has zero credibility in my mind. I doubt you speak Mandarin let alone Uyghur and it's not clear whether you've ever been to China.
That is a rather small cadre of pen-pushers quibbling over clerical matters like methodology, sources and semantics.
You may be surprised to learn that the majority of Han Chinese (64% in 2007) were not subject to the so-called one child policy due to exemptions like family history and geographic region. Those that were simply paid the “fee” for the additional children. Complete misnomer from the Western lexicon (who believes CIA talking points now?). It was a eugenic policy designed to keep the poorer and less intelligent from having more children. It was even called the eugenic policy in Chinese before Western whining implored them to change the name. The policy ended in 2013, and you are dragging it into the question of current Uyghur treatment? Xi is now the leader and yes he is an absolute hardliner and Han supremacist.
Sorry to be a stickler but the Grayzone did not call the 2018 UN report garbage… they said that the MSM’s interpretations of it were.
I have not been to China, but not all of it is open for public inspection. Don’t you think that if 2 million (or whatever the number) of your tougher men were in “re-education camps” that what would be left behind would be far more docile, both by nature and circumstance? It’s an artificially created compliance. The Chinese are masters at good cop, bad cop, with an emphasis on the latter.
I am still waiting to hear the Sinophiles in the comments section answer some basic questions. Does a country with perennial fake meat scandals and gutter oil cuisine deserve to be trusted on anything? Why will an injured person lying in the street be ignored by passers-by for hours (or even reversed on by drivers so that they don’t have to pay restitution)? Why is European overseas colonialism from the past bad, but landlocked Chinese colonialism from 1950 to present good? Why is the Dalai Lama in exile? Does a regime that bans men from having beards deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt? If Christians are banned from having a portrait of Jesus in their own home (while Xi’s is mandatory) what else is happening in that country that we can’t fully know about?
The way NOT to answer these questions is to say “But did you know Mosque ABC or Cathedral XYZ is open to tourists?” The neo-Ottoman Sultan Erdogan also has one of Christianity’s greatest edifices as an open museum (and planned to turn it into a mosque). A lot of you like posting video-blogging presentations from happy-go-lucky Western liberals who in the USA could be gullible enough to support BLM, LGBT or other pro-regime ideologies. If I am not mistaken, the number one China-related streamer in the West is now the “China fakes everything” guy.
LOL. You probably should read one of my short articles from a dozen years ago. Perhaps it would help you overcome some of your FoxNews brainwashing.
I am still waiting to hear the Sinophiles in the comments section answer some basic questions. Does a country with perennial fake meat scandals and gutter oil cuisine deserve to be trusted on anything?
LOL. You probably should read one of my short articles from a dozen years ago. Perhaps it would help you overcome some of your FoxNews brainwashing.
I am still waiting to hear the Sinophiles in the comments section answer some basic questions. Does a country with perennial fake meat scandals and gutter oil cuisine deserve to be trusted on anything?
I’m not in America so I don’t watch Fox News.
Your article relativized the tainted food scandals in China by pointing to milder instances of corporate cost-cutting in America. That’s your argument? Whataboutism? And the problem of too much sugar, salt, preservatives, aspartame etc. is not exactly unknown, not even to the Americans who gladly ingest processed junk. In China the main ingredient itself is counterfeited, so there’s just no comparison.
A few years back you might recall the story of the Chinese restaurant that was lacing its food with opium from poppies so that its diners would become addicted. It worked too. This isn’t Fox News, this was reported in Chinese media as well as Western. The astonishing thing is that after the news coverage there were dozens of restaurateurs caught emulating the tactic, such is the business acumen and bottomless greed in China.
As for America’s food scandals I wonder just how many are actually perpetrated by traditional Americans. Are you aware that the largest vintage wine fraud in history was perpetrated in California by a Chinese guy from Malaysia? Rudy Kurniawan. What’s next? Documenting all of the financial criminals like Marc Rich, Pincus Green, Bernie Madoff and Sam Bankman-Fried and concluding that they’re just as American as Billy-Jake and Bobby-Sue?
The only people praising this article are ethnic Chinese and those who are misplacing a (somewhat deserved) cynicism of the West. I think Ron has developed a sweet tooth for the Brix — pardon I mean BRICS — alliance which has been overly romanticized in recent years. It seems a lot like when it comes to American Pravda vs Chinese Pravda, Unz sooner believes the latter. I think the Russians, who have long disliked the Chinese, take the right approach in making it a minimally trustful cooperation of convenience.
Since people are in the habit of posting digital pamphlets all over the comments section I am going to recommend David Zhang, a non-employee of Fox News, as I think his hours of video assemblage is much more convincing than ditzy Americans on Spling Bleak picking berries on the roadside in Urumqi.
You’re not in America but you’re definitely American.
I’m not in America so I don’t watch Fox News.
You're just an idiotic anti-China troll and not worth any more of my time.
Your article relativized the tainted food scandals in China by pointing to milder instances of corporate cost-cutting in America. That’s your argument?
You're just an idiotic anti-China troll and not worth any more of my time.
Your article relativized the tainted food scandals in China by pointing to milder instances of corporate cost-cutting in America. That’s your argument?
My good man you are comparing apples and orangutans. To counter China’s horrid record on food safety you bring up America’s pharmaceutical industry in your case study that hypothetically calculates elevated deaths (among sick people over the age of 65). Mike Sheridan (The Times) hypothesized that in Shanghai alone 1 in 20 children could have gotten kidney damage from tainted milk. Extrapolate on those numbers. Up to 90% of Australia’s infant formula is still exported to China, and that’s data from just a few years ago. I guess a lot of folks in China are watching too much Fox News or still don’t trust their own market. Actually, the Chinese government ordered the media to minimize coverage of the scandal to “avoid civil unrest.”
Here’s another beauty: injecting rancid pondwater into mutton to counterfeit the weight. https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-01/06/content_17218563.htm These things just don’t happen in the West. The real question is how much more happens in China that is never uncovered. America has such a stronger culture of consumer protection, watchdogs, well-funded lawsuits, class actions and a freer media. How many buildings collapse in China because the builders use putty cement in parts to save money? Did you know there are fake beggar rackets that fly in to Australian cities to take advantage of high-trust, high-empathy whites? https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/inside-the-police-bust-that-ended-chinese-begging-ring/news-story/9be067a7b5605372ed194a270190174b It would be good to get into every single aspect of industry and society for our comparisons but I’ve noticed that you haven’t got any more time and you’re sticking with your two case studies. I’m sorry you think that you wasted time on someone “idiotic” and “a troll” but why not instead think of how much time you saved by ignoring 90% of the points that I brought up? You’ve also misread me as “gullible”… we share views on most things but because we happen to differ on what’s happening behind the Amsterdam shop window of Uyghuristan… out come the slurs. You’re now five exchanges deep with someone you consider “too stupid”… I guess it’s time to stop either way or it’ll be ironic.
It’s true, I am pro-Uyghur and anti-Chinese. The conclusion of some commenters here? That I’m racist! By which metric are we going on here, skin tone or epicanthic fold? I’ll confess it’s the Japanese who truly have the apple of my eye as far as Asia goes…
As for the white retirees and young travel bloggers being treated well in China – I’m simply flummoxed. Stop the presses. But I thought the issue we were discussing is how the Uyghurs are being treated. I’ve still heard no rebuttals on indisputable policies in force as we speak. One can’t hypothesize about what’s happening in the dark if one refuses to see what’s happening in broad daylight. Do people think it’s normal that the Chinese government offers cash incentives (10,000 yuan) for Han to intermarry with Uyghurs? But of course it’s all for the good cause of “ethnic harmony and unity.” Mr Unz has left the building, but perhaps he can come back since I am stupid with numbers. 12 million Uyghurs, 7 million Tibetans and 1.4 billion Han Chinese… can someone run a simulation to see who wins? Does the CIA control South China Morning Post? https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1583806/xinjiang-county-offers-10000-yuan-reward-uygurs-who-marry-han-chinese
I always wondered why the Podesta brothers were so interested in UFOs.
The I read Ron’s description of the Grays as “somewhat child-like beings” and it all made sense.
Scientists strike me as rather slovenly inclined, introverted and risk-aversive. They all got paychecks and that buys a lot of people’s conscience. Add to that the fact that the Cold War, while not exactly on par with WWII and the Manhattan Project, was a war nonetheless and America was a much more patriotic country back then.
A popular view in Russia is that the Soviet government collaborated with the Americans in the Moon landing hoax because they had their own failed missions that they lied to their population about. Some believe Yuri Gagarin did not survive his mission and a doppelganger was found, etc. In the year 2000, 28% of Russians did not believe Americans went to the Moon. By 2020, it was 49%. The tide is turning in the Sea of Tranquility.
Yet during all those years, no one seems to have ever published a single Moon Hoax book, and apparently the first and only such book ever published came out in 2005, long after the overwhelming majority of the tens of thousands of direct Apollo participants had died or otherwise left the scene.
Poorly researched. In 1976, Bill Kaysing and Randy Reid published “We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle!”
I am not at all convinced by footage of Yankee lunar pedestrianism as it looks totally lackluster and lackadaisical – that is enough of a reason for me. They filmed The Wizard of Oz in 1938 yet the Moon landing looks like it was filmed in 1908 not ’69… that’s how grainy the video is. It’s not just the pitch black sky at all times, it’s anything in the far-ground. There’s some major perspective issue, I almost get claustrophobic watching it. How much curvature of the Moon could there possibly be? It’s not a lighting issue… In fact all Moon landings supposedly took place during the day. They never even pointed the video camera back at Earth to show what it looks like. Maybe take a selfie with the Earth in background??? Nope. All they ever show is Anders’ photo from orbit in 1968, which has enough detail to pick up Earth’s clouds but not any stars! Laughable.
The real explanation why the Soviets kept their mouth shut about the fake "Moon landings" was actually detailed, in public, on the Russian state-owned RT TV channel, by a Russian emeritus Physics academic.
A popular view in Russia is that the Soviet government collaborated with the Americans in the Moon landing hoax because they had their own failed missions that they lied to their population about.
You evidently don't know a whit about the general disposition of peoples in the ex- Warsaw pact. Zelensky is viewed as a hero who saved Ukraine from defeat by refusing Biden's offer to evacuate by American plane & to form a government in exile.
Volodymyr Zelensky remains widely loathed and ridiculed in Europe, especially in the East where he is the subject of several local jokes.
You’re a fanboy of Zelensky and call Putin a midget? Thanks for the laugh.
I know a lot of people have begun using this phrase, apparently to seem profound, but it is nonsense. There is a word for what you seem to mean. The word is "now".Replies: @ariadna, @Thomas Zaja
at this point in history
Never has anyone accused me of me of waffling too much when I write. What are you doing reading long-form articles such as this? Back to Breitbart you go, and take your CliffsNotes brain with you.
Hindu is a religious term. It started out as a geographic term, it was originally the Persian word for the Sindhu River aka Indus River. That led to calling India "Hindustan," the land of the Indus, since that and the nearby but now defunct Sarasvati River, is where the "Indus Valley Civilization" was centered. The people in Hindustan were therefore called by outsiders Hindustanis or Hindus for short, regardless of their religion. They called themselves arya, or aryan. Much later after the Muslim conquests Hindu only referred to people who followed some sort of related Vedic faith. Tulsi btw is not Indian. And anyways there are more Jewish people in Trump's cabinet than Indians.Replies: @Thomas Zaja
Joining Ramaswamy are Kash Patel, Sriram Krishnan, Jay Bhattacharya and Tulsi Gabbard – making Hindus the most overrepresented ethno-religious group in the Trump administration.
I didn’t say there were more Hindus than Jews in the administration, I said that they were the most overrepresented ethno-religious group. Most Hindus share a common ancestry, so that’s the ethno part.
I also didn’t say Tulsi is Indian. But she was born a Hindu, that’s why her given name is Hindu and she’s still a practicing Hindu. I worded everything correctly, precisely to avoid haggling pajeets.
You are policing the semantic validity of the colloquial expression “at this point in history”? I don’t think even Neil deGrass Tyson has ever been this insufferable. History is being made… whoops
Will never understand the fixation with Palestine, a patch of real estate the size of Delaware. Millions of Palestinians have no problem living large in Sweden, Germany, etc. – while of course the remaining corpus holds the fort with insane birth rates (so much for living in an open air prison and apartheid). At some point it becomes consensual.
Maybe tell them a new giant airport or dam needs to be constructed? Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals, Chagos Islanders or Germans post WWII were transported longer distances than going to Jordan or Egypt. Holy temples my ass. They are in Mecca and Medina.
The number of people who non-facetiously refer to China as practising communism is astonishing. They must also think North Korea and Congo are democratic.
My article from January 19 projected an era of Trumpian “Eretz Yamerica”… this is taking it to a new level. Of course the idea is to hold it in escrow.
Here’s data about your “legitimate refugees” from Palestine who now live in Denmark:
– 64% were involved in serious crimes
– Huge proportion received welfare, especially the pension for physically/mentally disabled
– They have way more children than average — 34% of whom committed serious crimes
Source: https://www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/palestinians-in-your-country-what
Refugees are supposed to go to nearby countries where they fit in better. That is according to the UN convention on asylum.
A century ago there were roughly 700,000 Muslims in Israel/Palestine… now there are more are 6.7 million there and another 7 million abroad. Kind of ridiculous isn’t it? When Israel was founded in 1948, most of the Palestinians were relocated, but 150,000 remained. Had they been internally relocated within the Mandate of Palestine to the part that is now called Jordan, this neverending hell would not be burdening the entire world. And Lebanon is more or less the same cultural entity. Any decent sized modern country has more variance than going from Gaza to Beirut. As I said earlier, many examples exist of peoples being transported much farther distances. Sick to death of this unending sob-story, all because of a territory ten times smaller than the largest Native American Reserve.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee perhaps?
You are embarrassingly petty. Croats are not the subject of this essay. You also haven’t learned to use timemap.org if you cannot locate the relevant maps.
In the space you took to tell us that you don’t have enough time, you could have just named one forgery or illogical statement that I am guilty of. The historical accounts are not mine, the sources are quoted and cited, my interpretations are minimal. Put up or shut up.
Oops.
@ Odyssey
Put up or shut up.
You are technically correct but it was the Dorians who made Athens democratic, like the cities that they founded. Dorian invasion in 12th century BC, democracy in Athens from 5th century, you get the idea.
Manchurians are people from the region that is now Manchuria… do you understand the point of keeping things simple for a readership that is mostly political? Evidently not. This essay is about Slavic identity and you are getting fastidious about trivialities. The Mongols conquered just about every Turkic race and several other Altaic peoples, then mobilized them to fight in all parts of the empire… do you understand the meaning of the phrase “under their yoke”?
Indo-Europeans did not go to Mongolia or Manchuria, understand? Northern India is not part of the Eurasian Steppe and as mentioned Indo-Europeans were endemic to central Asia, they migrated westward and never went back.
I’m a fan of Mel Gibson but not because of his acting and directing. Passion of the Christ does not feel like a film… more like a documentary or livestream. The style is post-modern cinematic, which is not what you want when trying to portray a very different time and place. Dry and has no atmosphere.
I’ve not watched most films in this list, I’m just not a bookworm or a filmworm, but the early Bond films are a glaring ommission rightly pointed out by other commentors. The Great Escape (1963) is a bit cliche but a classic worthy of mention, as is Grease (1978) even if it’s a musical.
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls? You must be on crystal meth to include this.
Then why are you a fan, curious minds want to know. Are you a close personal friend?
I’m a fan of Mel Gibson but not because of his acting and directing.
Can we get sanctions against Chinese restaurants IN THE WEST?
One in Spain recently caught serving pigeon meat.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14586871/Chinese-restaurant-shut-roast-duck-dead-street-pigeons.html
Fox News and CIA propaganda strikes again!
Nitpicker patrol — Assemble!
I have known people from Kazakhstan tell me the latter is false. I don't believe them but I would be interested in seeing what others have written. It sounds almost nearly exactly identically the same.Replies: @Che Guava
The Cossack name is almost certainly cognate with the Khazar of old and the Kazakh of the present, but since names can diversify over time, along with their meanings, linguists choose their own adventure.
Those physiognomies are a dime a dozen in the Balkans. That's not a call to love them (perish the thought), only to point out that they're hardly unique to 'Khazarians,' and that the principles (such as they are) that you have attempted to elucidate in this, if I may say, rather discursive essay consequently apply to lands well beyond the boundaries of 'Khazaria.'
Consider the archetype of a Mikhail Tal, the Klitschko brothers, Glenn Greenwald or Konstantin Kisin — which I can only describe as a frog-like physiognomy.
I await it with bated breath, for perhaps then the point of this exercise will finally reveal itself to me.Replies: @Thomas Zaja, @Sonja
My final piece in this series will make a deeper foray into the onomastics and HBD of the contemporary Ukrainian population, including prominent members of its large diaspora.
Congratulations on discovering gene flow. You have correctly identified a common link with Balkan South Slavs … now you have to think about whether the Khazars and kin are the ones who spread it. The addition of the Konstantin photograph was not my decision, but that of the editor of TOO, as I wanted to focus on Greenwald, who is the ultimate Khazarian archetype — what is nowhere to be found in the Balkans. As I mentioned, Ashkenazis are heterogeneous and Khazar empire ended 1,000 years ago. Your quibblesome observations are what go beyond the boundaries.
My writing style packs a punch and I cover a lot of ground without much waffle. What you call “discursive.” At what stage of reading the entire 3,000 word article did you realize that it wasn’t your thing, that you couldn’t see the point of it, and that you wanted your money back? Enough readers are able to find meaning in my writing for me to discard your self-pitying sarcasm.
I explained in the first piece in this series what the inspiration was to examining Ukrainian identity, but in any case there’s a lot of variety here on Unz, perhaps you can go read about Israel v Palestine for the millionth time with Mr Giraldi, or, be swept up in the contemporary erudition of Mr Anglin.
Not everything has to be a political bunga-bunga party for your sensibilities.
Interesting music video… Fiddlers on the Roof — Khazar edition.
My understanding of the song is that it is an homage to Israel, while claiming Ukraine is their home too… a standard neocon anthem of sorts. Released in 2020…
Gerhard Schroeder was the last leader who you could consider to not be submissive. These dissident parties in Europe just seem so sluggish and frankly too little too late.
That scumbag led the charge to break up Yugoslavia and bomb Serbia. Then he is Putin's good friend.Replies: @chris
Gerhard Schroeder was the last leader who you could consider to not be submissive.
Fair point, though I think that using Slavic grammar is overkill in this case and would be confusing / interfere with the satirical nature of the slogan for English speakers
Rise above.
Sound advice, especially in light of the laudably scholarly tone of the author's essay.
Rise above.
Rise above.
Sound advice, especially in light of the laudably scholarly tone of the author’s essay.
Whatever one’s disagreements, however many or few they are, and whether politely or rudely voiced, Mr. Zaja’s article constitutes, I think, a remarkable piece of research and exposition. I congratulate and thank him sincerely.
This account provides some decent attention to the drawbacks of Chinese culture but was still quite biased. And Mr Unz is part of this bias, as he is not going out looking for experts and material to post from the other side of the argument. Rather indicative of selection bias and confirmation bias.
If the author considers the 1950 annexation of Tibet to be an invasion, and other disputes as mere “border arguments” – where does Uyghuristan fit on this scale? Sinophiles keep citing the population growth of Uyghurs from 1975 to 2015… and? Those days are over. We never hear why the birthrate has plummeted since, well below China’s average, or why the Chinese government is providing cash incentives to miscegenate the Uyghurs out of existence. I am flummoxed that people think it is a valid argument to cite some obviously fake and tokenistic diorama of social relations as the “Splendid China Folk Village” exhibit. Reminds me of those who say Christianity is unmolested in China because there are some officially designated cathedrals open for inspection. Why are there so many “underground” churches? Can I finally get a response on whether portraits of Jesus are banned in people’s homes and the Ten Commandments forcibly replaced with quotes from Xi?
The Palestine T-shirt anecdote is pretty irrelevant outside of perhaps some US universities. The real test in China would be if you could wear anything to do with Tibet, Taiwan or Uyghuristan. And China uses its leverage well beyond its borders to bully and intimidate those sympathetic to these causes, including Western governments, being the insecure behemoth it is.
For 13,500 words I think the author could have dedicated more attention to settling some of the more contentious issues that reach Western audiences. Can the author confirm whether kitchen knives in people’s homes have been tied to the counter top? Genuinely curious. Also no mention of China’s notorious culture of fakery and imitation. How much of the content of the China Fakes Everything guy (David Zhang) is accurate? It’s not just merchandise, it’s food and people themselves. The BBC recently ran a story on plastic surgery… it’s getting completely out of control. Check out this Chinese-operated hotel in Thailand marketing a fake balcony as a sea-view: https://www.tiktok.com/@enjoy991991/video/7418158765674892564… just incredible. The issue I am always harping on about is food. There really is no parallel. Dyed citrus, meat pumped with rancid pond water, the opium scandal which hundreds of restaurants got in on, gutter oil recycling, counterfeiting meat… earlier this month a Chinese restaurant in SPAIN was shut down because they were using pigeon meat. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14586871/Chinese-restaurant-shut-roast-duck-dead-street-pigeons.html
Hasn’t virtually every case of espionage in the last decade involved a Chinese-American? Total liability in high-tech and military. No mention of why China ignores intellectual property completely. But this low-trust dishonesty is ultimately an endemic trait and related to a classically Chinese selfishness. That anecdote about the man trying to end his life by crashing into some strangers… why am I not surprised. It’s almost like there’s an abnormally lower ability in theory of mind. The wallet-return study is something people may want to look into also… China ranked dead last. As for the author’s anecdote about he and is wife’s usage of those food delivery couriers, in spite of being very well off and her previously having a tough life, it was recounted without much empathy at all. I despise people who overuse this service staffed of underpaid street butlers. Well at least they aren’t importing them from the third world. The author talks about how workers’ conditions and living standards are now good. That would be a welcome change from those electronics factories who installed suicide nets around their premises.
While China has done a lot to modernize technologically, and humanize culturally, I am left wondering actually how much of that too is just copying the West. It certainly didn’t come intrinsically. There is an aspect of extreme competitiveness, jealousy and inferiority complex that makes me wonder what China would be like if they weren’t concerned about their image abroad, international gossip, and trying to be #1 at everything…
A few things I left off:
Public restrooms are filthy. The men’s restrooms always have piss all over the floor as the Chinamen refuse to stand close enough the urinals. Some are latrines where you collectively squat over a trench. There can be no water in the trench so everyone’s shit just piles up, smelling to high heaven until some poor soul comes to clean it out. This even exists in the old Hutaung neighborhoods in Beijing and is not just rural. I have seen it.
The air is terribly polluted outside the major showcase Potemkin Village cities. I have see it and breathed it.
People drive without regard for other human beings and the roads are thus dangerous. I have seen it.
There is practically no wildlife left in the country as they destroy, pollute and eat everything. I have seen it.
I probably left off a few things again.
It was Kevin who added the word “Jewish” several times in the article. Obviously it’s overkill and I didn’t want that but he has executive privilege without consultation. In fact this article was submitted as a draft copy and he went ahead and published it unilaterally.
You have a lot to say about who “knows very little.” From your profile, you have written 3,629 comments but zero articles. Why is that?
It was Kevin ...
What kind of relationship is this? Is Kevin a good master of yours? LOL
... I didn’t want that but he has executive privilege without consultation.
Irving, David. Hitler's War
The sheer complexity of that character is evident from a comparison of his brutality in some respects with his almost maudlin sentimentality and stubborn adherence to military conventions that others had long abandoned. We find him cold bloodedly ordering a hundred hostages executed for every German occupation soldier killed; dictating the massacre of Italian officers who had turned their weapons against German troops in 1943; ordering the liquidation of Red Army commissars, Allied commando troops, and captured Allied aircrews; in 1942 he announced that the male populations of Stalingrad and Leningrad were to be exterminated. He justified all these orders by the expediencies of war. Yet the same Hitler indignantly exclaimed, in the last week of his life, that Soviet tanks were flying the Nazi swastika as a ruse during street fighting in Berlin, and he flatly forbade his Wehrmacht to violate flag rules. He had opposed every suggestion for the use of poison gases, as that would violate the Geneva Protocol; at that time Germany alone had manufactured the potentially war winning lethal nerve gases Sarin and Tabun. In an age in which the governments of the democracies attempted, engineered, or condoned the assassinations, successfully or otherwise, of the inconvenient[1] – from General Sikorski, Admiral Darlan, Field Marshal Rommel, and King Boris of Bulgaria to Fidel Castro, Patrice Lumumba, and Salvador Allende – we learn that Hitler, the world’s most unscrupulous dictator, not only never resorted to the assassination of foreign opponents but flatly forbade his Abwehr to attempt it. In particular he rejected Admiral Canaris’s plans to assassinate the Red Army General Staff.
Pretty sure Hitler’s opposition to political assassination was a principle of self-interest…
A few hours away…
Will Putin be fashionably late as he often is?
Will Trump try one of his famous hand jerks?
A snowflake’s chance in the Alaskan summer.
Vladivostok is more than 10,400 km from Washington D.C., very far from Moscow and has no historical link to the West.
St. Petersburg makes most sense, maybe Kaliningrad.
Except for the Siberian Intervention that resulted from World War I and the October Revolution. The US Army were among the occupiers in Vladivostok, mainly to secure American business interests in the region and help to extract local resources.
no historical link to the West
Vladivostok is opposite Anchorage across the ocean. The fact that it is far from the West means that it is secure from the meddling of the usual suspects that would like to see both Putin and Trump dead. I would advise Vladivostok for the Trump and Putin meeting on Russian soil. Any meetings of the two with Zelensky would have to be in a third country like Turkey or UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc.
Vladivostok is more than 10,400 km from Washington D.C., very far from Moscow and has no historical link to the West.
Think celebrities of Hollywood / L.A.
No, he isn’t.
Dalton and Skrbina are the same person, not exactly a secret. He lost his job at the University of Helsinki because of this. He is American born, surname is of Croatian or Slovene origin, possibly written “Škrbina”
re: “Go back to your cesspit in Britain or Ireland.” Reply: The most bonafide Australians are of 3 to 7 generations in Australia. Even if they are of 100% British Irish heritage they cannot qualify for citizenship in Britain or Ireland as those nations require you have a parent or grandparent born in those nations. So it is silly to say what you say. The people with 3 to 7 generations of ancestry in Australia are “native inhabitants”. It was their British Irish ancestors who built the nation to become one of the most peaceful prosperous societies that has ever existed. And tens of millions of people know that and seek to make Australia their home.
re: “You decimated an entire continent with its native inhabitants.” Firstly, there are more people alive now who claim to be “First Nation” than there were in 1788. Every one of them, like every Australian, exists because history was exactly as it was. British settlement altered the timeline so that specific ancestors met and mated when they did and raised children who did likewise. If the British had not settled and created “Australia” then none of the current people would exist. Every “First Nation” Aboriginal person in Australia who has existed since about 1810 owes their ancestral lineage and birth to British settlement. It is dim-witted for anyone to complain about historical occurrences that led to their existence.
As for “You decimated an entire continent” yes a great deal of the Australian landscape was damaged by the mass logging of forests, after British settlement. Industrial scale agriculture has damaged a great deal of the land. Just like humans have been doing and are doing all over the planet: in Africa, throughout Asia and of course Europe and the Americas.
In case you did not know: the prior waves of human settlement, whom you refer to as “native inhabitants”, they similarly “decimated” what existed prior. The Aboriginal people changed a great amount of the forested country to grassland through frequent mass burnings of landscapes. The Aboriginals decimated the mega fauna, the numerous large animals, by changing the landscape so much and by hunting and eating them to extinction. Just as the Maori did in a short time in New Zealand. Those races exploited and decimated the environment to their full IQ potential. So it is like racist cherry-picking of you to single out Europeans, the British and Irish of 100-240 years ago who arrived in Australia, when it is well-known that people of perhaps all races have decimated large areas that they inhabited. Indeed those with higher IQ, with technology that deploys leverage, they can cause more damage to environments in a short period of time. If the Aboriginals had higher IQs and technology they would have decimated a great deal more than they could.
I know we live in the Clown World but this is something even there.
....Aborigines.....act as guardians by managing their traditional lands and waters through community-based programs that combine traditional teachings with modern environmental stewardship. These guardians monitor wildlife, implement land management plans, revitalize cultural practices, and protect heritage sites, often as part of formal programs supported by government funding. This approach centers Indigenous leadership and knowledge in conservation and land management, which in turn creates employment and supports community well-being. ....
And Iryna Zarutska as the right wing’s Rosa Parks?
The Huns very likely spoke a Turkic language originally. Following their defeat at the Battle of Nedao c. 454 they became Avars and Bolgars (Dulo clan).
Ms Stalzer apparently has a husband who was away on a business trip at the time, though his identity is not known.
Yes, I foresaw that issue, the original headline was just “Kinder Surprise” — unfortunately the editor of the Occidental Observer altered the headline in a way that I do not prefer.
Germany’s biggest cultural export in this century is probably supermodel Heidi KlumNo, that would be Claudia Schiffer, legions above the low-rent Klum, and who at least maintained pride in her heritage and is known to have been well-raised and well-mannered personally and professionally.Replies: @Thomas Zaja, @atlantis_dweller
Claudia Schiffer was more 1990s but yes technically active in both centuries.
I am guilty of the hyperbole.
Regarding some of the nature vs nurture comments on adoption, people should remember that there is a large selection bias. i.e. Children who are orphaned in modern times are not genetically random or average, but are more likely to carry the genes of low-conscientious and psychopathy which they inherited from their reckless progenitors.
In older times there was not such a problem with foster children because 1) They were genetically more similar to foster parents, and 2) Their parents typically died in wars / famines / diseases, not because they were R-selected “spray and pray” types.
“Chancellor Friedrich Merz like predecessor Merkel has Polish ancestry”
???
His father Joachim Merz was from Breslau, which is now Polish but was German until 1945.
I said “ancestry,” you said “father” – not the same is it? Anything deeper?
Before Wroclaw was “Breslau” (a bad Germanic corruption of Vratislav) it was part of the Kingdom of Poland and before that it was Bohemian.
It may be anecdotal, but does this man look to have German or Polish ancestry:

What subsidy? To whom/what?Replies: @Thomas Zaja
no longer able to support the annual 2.15 billion euro subsidy
What subsidy? To whom/what?
The Max Planck Society gets 2.15 billion euro. That paragraph is confusing because it was altered by the Editor of Occidental Observer who wanted to mention Salter is active in the Anglo-Australia movement. He then forgot to close the paranthetical, and when I told Editor of Unz (who reposts the original), he mistakenly closed the paranthetical on the next sentence.
The history of Wroclaw is mostly Slavic, hence even the Germanic name Breslau is a corruption of Vratislav. While there was a period of German suzerainty, before that it was the Kingdom of Poland and before that it was Bohemia/Czechia. Do you think if we looked at Merz’s entire genealogy we would uncover nothing but German surnames?
You are talking about identity, I am talking about ancestry — one is categorical the other is pluralistic and a bit more speculative but I think my claim is conservative enough. Be thankful I haven’t yet made claims about the pedigree of East Germany proper and the etymologies of Berlin, Leipzig etc.
Please less quibbling and more accuracy in comprehension and context.

Again, you are rattling away numbers that merely reflect identity of the times, which of course change when the rulers and borders change. Yes Germans were there before Slavs, but going back to 1,200 BC is somewhat extraneous to my mention of history since they recorded nothing in these early times. You are surely aware that the westward expansion of Slavs happened peacefully into virtually empty land, as attested by Procopius and Jordanes. The Germans left to settle the Roman territories of Lombardy, Gaul, Britain… your fellow Scandinavian Hakon Stang summarizes this well in his tome “The naming of Russia.”
I will reiterate that I referred to ancestry, i.e. blood, not identity which for me is ink on paper. I suppose I could have written Slavic instead of Polish for Merz, but that would not work with my Merkel reference. Why quibble when this is a color commentary piece not an anthropology essay. You still didn’t comment on Merz’s portrait, nor have you explained why there is no Germanic endonym for Wroclaw. The region of “Schleisen” that you mention also isn’t Germanic by etymology, rather probably an old European hydronym. Although “slza, слеза” means dew, waterdrop or teardrop in Slavic tongues.
Of course these border areas are going to have mixed populations, but as to the proportions you cannot have much confidence from the fact that the four largest cities in East Germany have Slavic etymologies. Not to mention all of the smaller towns whose names end with -itz or -ow. As for Konigsberg, the older settlement name is the Prussian (Balto-Slavonic) “Tvangsta.”