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    After a confident and competent few months of settling into his undeserved role, JD Vance is the golden boy with the silver tongue who’s got one foot in the White House. Like a cuckoo chick whose masterful mimicry has managed to hoodwink the top feeders of Republican politics, Vance’s cool demeanor and folksy overtures have...
  • @Dennis Dale

    Even before delving into his fluctuating political views, one can see from Vance’s biographical details that he is not a man of stable character. Vance lasted four years in the military while the average service time is 11 years.
     
    I don't trust Vance for most of the reasons listed here, but this is bs. Four years is one enlistment tour and lots of us signed up with that in mind. The "11 years" figure is arrived at as an average because lifers do a minimum of 20 to get a pension, and there are (or were back in the day) three year and five year contracts. Indeed, if he had spent 11 years in the service that would be suspect, because it's too long for a short-timer and too short for a lifer, so you'd wonder if he got kicked out.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    Fair enough, it’s more the free-loading; firstly on the Marine title when he just shuffled papers, then getting to study via G.I. Bill.

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
    @Thomas Zaja

    I doubt that this will surprise you but a huge number of people in the military only sign up because they want college money. Do you think they care about riding roughshod over the next small, helpless country?

    As far as MOS, Vance may not have chosen his but was given it based on his ASVAB score. It is often the case that enlistees don't get to choose their specialty.

    But, it's a good list you've compiled. I also don't trust Vance and think he could be another wolf in guard dog's clothing. We could be wrong but there is something off about his meteoric rise without any real accomplishment to justify it.

    Replies: @EL_Kabong

    , @Rurik
    @Thomas Zaja


    it’s more the free-loading; firstly on the Marine title when he just shuffled papers, then getting to study via G.I. Bill.
     
    That's your idea of 'free-loading', for a poor working-class kid with no other prospects?

    I have my doubts about this Vance guy, but you're disparaging him for his virtues.

    Back when he joined the marines it wasn't obvious that all ZOG's wars were all based on lies, and so he could be forgiven for his enlistment, (Pat Tillman is a stone-cold American hero, [RIP]), particularly when it was all about getting funds for college, something that is generally beyond the financial wherewithal of working-class white kids in the ZUSA.

    I can't imagine why you would imply these things are character flaws, when I see them as the opposite.

    Yes, he's a scoundrel and a whore. Anyone who's a U.S. Senator is a scoundrel and a whore.

    But there are degrees of that, and Senators like Rand Paul are far less treasonous than most Senators.

    This is from his Wiki page, and we all know Wiki is hard leftist

    Political positions

    During his time in the U.S. Senate, JD Vance has been described as national conservative,[169][170] right-wing populist,[169][171] and an ideological successor to paleoconservatives such as Pat Buchanan.[172] Vance describes himself, and has been described by others, as a member of the postliberal right.[173][174][175][176] He is known for his ties to Silicon Valley.[177] Vance has said he is "plugged into a lot of weird, right-wing subcultures" online.[175] Vance has endorsed books written by Heritage Foundation leader Kevin Roberts and far-right conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec.[178][179]

    On social issues, Vance is considered conservative.[180] He opposes abortion,[181][182] same-sex marriage,[180] and gun control.[183][184][185] He has taken a number of natalist positions. He has repeatedly expressed his belief that childlessness is linked to sociopathy, and advocated that parents have more voting power than non-parents.[186][187] In August 2024, he backtracked from that suggestion.[188] Vance has lamented that increased divorces adversely affect children of divorced parents.[189] He has proposed federal criminalization of gender-affirming care for minors.[190] He opposes continued American military aid to Ukraine during the ongoing Russian invasion.[191][192][193] Vance has argued that the country's largest and most powerful institutions have united against the right and has called for "a de-woke-ification program".[194][195] He is critical of universities, which he has called "the enemy".[196] Vance is also critical of both the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.[197]
     

    I don't agree with Vance on his stance on abortion and rape, but for whatever reason, he seems to hold to it.

    And that, I suspect, will be the undoing of Trump's campaign, because, (leaving aside the very real possibility that the whole thing is a fraud and a farce), it will be the abortion issue that will motivate a critical mass of females to the election booth, in order to protect their prerogative to kill their babies.

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Thomas Zaja

    I don't like Vance at all, but not for the half-arsed reasons you provide. And among all your silly objections, this one betrays the most dumb-as-a-box-of-bricks indication that you just don't know anything about how the world works.

  • @Carlton Meyer
    This is an obvious hit piece, to an extreme degree. Nothing new or interesting, but gets the marquee!

    Who is this hit man, Thomas Zaja, an internet search turns up nothing?

    Very odd and unprofessional for Unz.com. Did this site get hacked by the Dems?

    Replies: @Robert Bruce, @Goldgettin, @Odyssey, @Renard, @R.G. Camara, @Thomas Zaja, @Anonymous534, @Ron West, @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    Most of my articles, going back to 2014, are on TOO. Ron decided on marquee, not me. Unz Review is not supposed to be an echo chamber of sychophantism.

    • Agree: Annacat, TKK
    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    @Thomas Zaja


    Most of my articles, going back to 2014, are on TOO.
     
    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/author/thomas-zaja/
  • @CJII
    When I got to the bit about "anti-abortion fundamentalism", I had to double check the address bar to make sure I didn't accidentally stumble upon The Atlantic.

    Thankfully, it was early in the piece, and spared myself of reading the rest.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    You think raped women should be forced to continue the pregnancy?

    • Troll: JPS
    • Replies: @Tiptoethrutulips
    @Thomas Zaja

    Well, I don’t, but women have got to stop selecting a political candidate based on abortion policy.

    How about an ounce of pregnancy prevention? Birth control is widely available, or they could just abstain, God forbid!

    Replies: @Old and Grumpy

    , @Linus
    @Thomas Zaja

    Yes, of course.

  • @eah
    @eah

    And speaking of stupidity:


    During the COVID-19 pandemic, Vance tweeted that nurses should be fired by the thousands if they refused the vaccine.
     
    Vance's post (screencap link) was clearly meant as sarcasm -- even Snopes is honest enough to admit that -- in fact, it appears Vance consistently and publicly opposed COVID vaccine mandates, including one imposed by Ohio State.

    J.D. Vance: Ohio State's vaccine mandate is outrageous 'invasion of medical privacy'

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    Thanks for picking this up. It was a late addition to the article, just working off memory. I asked Ron to remove it.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    @Thomas Zaja

    "Just working off memory"? In an article expected to be published? Oh, that's right, you mentioned that you didn't expect it to be featured, therefore odds of it being read w0uld be very low. Now you have to answer for it.

    To your previous comment, I looked for your name at Occidental Observer in the "Author" drop-down -- wasn't there. Can't find it anywhere else. I would like to see some of your previous articles, since 2016.

    Replies: @Liza

    , @eah
    @Thomas Zaja

    Mistakes can happen -- but I think you're trying too hard to find fault with Vance -- Trump could've done a lot worse.

    Could you suggest someone you would've preferred?

    Replies: @Truth Vigilante

  • @thegeezer @buster-the-body-crab

    Due to the influx (and reflux) of acerbic grumbling from several commentators, I thought I would address and reiterate some points.

    It certainly was a hit piece. Guilty as charged. The target was you, dear reader, if you are one of those reflexive MAGA loyalists with a siege mentality, who’s focused more on the war-paint than the weaponry. So many of you are just smitten with this turncoat Vance because his contingent loyalty happens to currently align with yours. All it took was for Vance to personally meet Trump in 2021 for him to change his mind! Of course, people deserve second chances, but not in front of so many other people who didn’t have their first chance, and especially not with such stakes in play. Neophytes deserve a quarantine period of ten years, not three.

    No, I do not believe all politicians are such debased mercenaries who jump ship when the winds of fortune change. There were many competent alternatives whom could have been selected and were loyal to Trump from the start and didn’t have such glaring skeletons in their closets. Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Vivek Ramaswamy and Kari Lake come to mind. The last two may not have served any time in office, but then again neither did Trump. I chose to mention Kari, simply because I believe she would have made a massive dent in the woman vote and also she ran on deporting illegals without federal approval. She also topped a CPAC and TPA poll in 2023 for VP pick. Gaining votes is the number one priority in selecting the VP. Most of the pundits seemed to forget that. I’ve not heard a single constituency that Vance brings in that Trump didn’t already carry well.

    Almost all of the criticism to my article was reduced to quibbling over minor details, rather than disproving the central thesis. He himself questioned whether he was gay when he was young, an anecdote mentioned in his memoir. People might be interested to see a photograph with his „friend“ on Vance’s wedding day no less:Someone said Vance’s family has a genetic condition another said he wears eyeliner, Vance’s wife said his eyes are natural – I don’t believe any of these but either way it’s weird. Regarding COVID, Vance may have opposed mandates but he took the experimental vaccine without any shred of skepticism or self-respect.

    Regarding the military, I don’t believe his enlistment had anything to do with patriotism, rather he joined it to pad his CV, get the title of Marine and enjoy the perks of being a veteran. The military has become a giant social program. In whose interest is it that the system does not thoroughly disambiguate combat vs. non-combat? All part of the inclusivity and equality agenda. Officially, he was a military journalist in Iraq – I’ve not been able to find a single article, just a screenshot of one article. There’s not much genuinely marine about him, except maybe the blubber. If he was drafted to fight I’ve little doubt he’d develop asthma or diabetes overnight. Yet for someone who was allegedly in Iraq for six months and supposedly became disillusioned by foreign interventions, he’s not made his anti-war position clear, because of course he’s amenable. He’s only said he’s against funding the Ukraine war (…to focus on others).

    Vance won because he had powerful backers and because Trump ran an Apprentice-style competition for the role, for which this smarty pants motor mouth was well suited. We may as well have selected Ben Shapiro. What use are debating skills and prodigious memorizing of current right-wing talking points if the Achilles heel is loyalty? If this status-obsessed careerist is loyal to Trump for the entire term, it would only be because he had calculated that it was in his best interests to do so. No doubt there’s a chance that the first opportunity that comes his way when the men in dark suits show up, the poor little hillbilly will take it, with very little cognitive massaging required. Et tu, Cletus?

    • Replies: @Curle
    @Thomas Zaja


    Someone said Vance’s family has a genetic condition another said he wears eyeliner,
     
    You’re a loon if you think there’s something ‘weird’ with his eyes. That or YOU are second guessing your sexuality. Whatever, the American South is cram packed with people who look like Vance eyes and all. I’m related to some of them and we’ve been around this part of North America without running into too many Zaja’s for many, many generations. Maybe the people of Zaja-land do think historic stock Americans look weird but I think you should assume that’s a problem with you not him.
    , @Poupon Marx
    @Thomas Zaja


    So many of you are just smitten with this turncoat Vance because his contingent loyalty happens to currently align with yours. All it took was for Vance to personally meet Trump in 2021 for him to change his mind! Of course, people deserve second chances, but not in front of so many other people who didn’t have their first chance, and especially not with such stakes in play. Neophytes deserve a quarantine period of ten years, not three.
     
    Incomprehensible and made in a vacuum of logic, and components that are linked to reinforcing evidence.

    No, I do not believe all politicians are such debased mercenaries who jump ship when the winds of fortune change. There were many competent alternatives whom could have been selected and were loyal to Trump from the start and didn’t have such glaring skeletons in their closets. Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, Vivek Ramaswamy and Kari Lake come to mind. The last two may not have served any time in office, but then again neither did Trump. I chose to mention Kari, simply because I believe she would have made a massive dent in the woman vote and also she ran on deporting illegals without federal approval. She also topped a CPAC and TPA poll in 2023 for VP pick. Gaining votes is the number one priority in selecting the VP. Most of the pundits seemed to forget that. I’ve not heard a single constituency that Vance brings in that Trump didn’t already carry well.
     
    Shallow and specious. Trump's choice of VP weighs in several factors. His range of advisors are pollsters, pundits, intellectuals, billionaires, working people, and of course his wife. Only one thing matters, and that is to win. Since you appear bound by over-simplification and unwarranted hubris, take this as a gift from me.

    Your opinion of his military career is evidently based on the usual and mediocre references of "unnamed sources", and "someone told me", or a superficial and cursory lack of attention to detail and verification. This exudes sloth and laziness.
    I put you overall in the college freshman/sophomore category, where after one or two survey courses in a behavioral science course, the lower division student is ready to analyze individuals and judge the world.

    I give you an Incomplete, where your essay is given back for rewrite to match the norm in rhetoric, composition, logic, standards of exposition. I regret spending a second on your less than mediocre scribbling.

    Replies: @Alden

    , @MarLuc7
    @Thomas Zaja


    Due to the influx (and reflux) of acerbic grumbling from several commentators, I thought I would address and reiterate some points.

    It certainly was a hit piece. Guilty as charged. The target was you, dear reader, if you are one of those reflexive MAGA loyalists with a siege mentality, who’s focused more on the war-paint than the weaponry.
     


    Duuuuude , your bias is exposed bare for the world to see. Here on Unz, we "dear readers" do not tolerate such polarized, unsubstantiated dribble.

    We used to have time tested remedies for malcontents spewing Propaganda:

    https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-yzgoj/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/1544575/3848689/api5ujwz3__36752.1626751642.jpg

    The thing about American Politics is that one must be very very careful in selecting a running mate. Especially true for Republicans ---for most all of Mainstream Media leans horribly left. The Media would have a field day with any VP Selection that had skeletons.

    JD Vance was thoroughly vetted before selection. I agree with you, Thomas Massie would have been awesome. But Massie probably did not want the job of VP. I think Trump will fold him into his administration at some level though.

    JD Vance compliments Trump. Trump is a horrible orator, JD Vance is very skilled in this area. Trump is a Billionaire with some 500 companies but he can't paint a cogent picture of any argument. He is not trained in Rhetoric, Argumentation...etc. Further Trump can't even identify the form of attack being used against him by Mainstream Media Propagandist. He is not that quick on his feet when debating. But he is a Billionaire ....a true winner, highly competitive and has a gift for incredible Insight, Intuition, Gut Feeling, He can Read the Room. He knows "The Art of the Deal". He knows how to drive hard negotiations and he is a workaholic.

    JD Vance is also young, tall, handsome, strong and forthright. So Trump now has some young blood to add to his overall image.

    JD Vance may also be the person Trump passes the torch too in 2028. Trust me, Trump has an exit strategy.

    What use are debating skills and prodigious memorizing of current right-wing talking points if the Achilles heel is loyalty?
     
    Loyalty??? LMFAO!!!!! You mean like Mike Pence's loyalty to Trump??? Or Johnson's Loyalty to JKF? Or the 60 Senator's Loyalty to Julius Cezar?

    https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1200/1*Zlq9HFAjo0omg3_B3TBxcg.png


    There is no TRUE loyalty in Politics dude. There is only calculations and relationships built on mutual benefit. Look at the DNC -----Kamala Harris cannibalized her boss....literally feeding on his flesh. Same in the Business world. Only Profit matters. Machinations and Conspiracies abound.

    I hope this helps. You are welcome. Please do better....you can be more.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Alden
    @Thomas Zaja

    What makes you think I’m a MAGA loyalist? Just because I pointed out some things , but not everything you wrote that was completely incorrect??

  • There's a famous, apparently true story regarding the aftermath of the purge and summary execution of NKVD chief Lavrenti Beria in the old Soviet Union. Beria had spent many years at the pinnacle of Soviet power and naturally had been given a long and glowing entry in the Great Soviet Encyclopedia, copies of which were...
  • Agree completely, HIV is a harmless passenger virus turned into a scapegoat by the HIVe mind medical establishment. Though there were hundreds, maybe thousands of experts on the record who dissented. As Duesberg used to say, there’s no such thing as a slow virus — only slow virologists.

    What I never understood is that there’s been no country to officially rejected the narrative. Even North Korea accepts it, but claims to have never had a single case. Nor will they, because they don’t have the bogus “tests”. I suppose it’s always been in the interests of authoritarian regimes to socially engineer against promiscuity. The West may not be concerned with that, there’s too much money to be made on AIDS drugs.

    • Replies: @Vagrant Rightist
    @Thomas Zaja


    What I never understood is that there’s been no country to officially rejected the narrative.
     
    Funny about that
    , @N. Joseph Potts
    @Thomas Zaja


    it’s always been in the interests of authoritarian regimes to socially engineer against promiscuity.
     
    Really? The Nazis had the Lebensborn program for unwed mothers, for one. Need children for the Wehrmacht!
  • Last week I published an article discussing former Ambassador Chas Freeman, one of America's most highly-regarded professional diplomats of the last half-century. Very early in his career, Freeman had been the personal interpreter for President Richard Nixon during his historic 1972 trip to China and meetings with Mao, and that country remained one of his...
  • East Turkestan (Xinjiang) is being Sinofied through sheer demographic swamping and this is no accident. There are even explicit policies to encourage miscegenation between Han Chinese and Uyghurs through financial incentives. One of the weddings shown by Katherine was a mixed one. And I doubt very much she would get her hands dirty and start asking questions from locals about who has gone missing and who is currently internment camping. Just another free spirit roaming the countryside to have a good time.

    Ron does not mention the Uyghur Human Rights Project, but their reporting seems credible to me.

    So, can we at least call it a passive genocide or perhaps a soft genocide?

    https://uhrp.org/report/forced-marriage-of-uyghur-women/
    https://www.businessinsider.com/china-uighur-monitor-home-shared-bed-report-2019-11

    • Replies: @littlereddot
    @Thomas Zaja

    My, such a bleeding heart for the Uighurs.

    Perhaps you should set a good example for the "CCP" and move back to your mother country in Europe, and return the USA to the Red Man?

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    , @mulga mumblebrain
    @Thomas Zaja

    The only people guilty of miscegenation were your parents, you vicious, racist, jihadist apologist. TENS of millions of Chinese and foreign tourists visit Xinjiang, and NONE report oppression. That is ZERO, you dirty swine. 'Forced marriage'??!! A new lie. How humans come as filthy as the likes of you still amazes me.

    , @Carlton Meyer
    @Thomas Zaja


    Ron does not mention the Uyghur Human Rights Project, but their reporting seems credible to me.

    So, can we at least call it a passive genocide or perhaps a soft genocide?
     
    Unless you bother to spend a minute to search for their source of funding:

    "Uyghur Human Rights Project is funded by individual donations and foundation grants. 21 UHRP was initially founded by a grant from the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). The organization has received funding from NED since its founding. 6"

    As you should know, the NED is an arm of the CIA focused on promoting regime change in nations that oppose our empire. It's somewhat successful at fooling fools.

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  • @littlereddot
    @Thomas Zaja

    My, such a bleeding heart for the Uighurs.

    Perhaps you should set a good example for the "CCP" and move back to your mother country in Europe, and return the USA to the Red Man?

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    I’m vicious? What a hysterical reply. First of all, I am in Europe. Are you by any chance Chinese… and where do you live?

    You completely missed the point about citizen journalists and travel bloggers not reporting on anything negative. The disincentives to do are huge. China is an authoritarian and paranoid panopticon of a state that monitors people like mad and restricts their ability to work, get a loan or travel if they don’t tow the party line. It doesn’t even allow Facebook or Youtube while their domestic social media is so tightly controlled that keywords and names are insta-blocked on a large scale. You internment camps are open to the public for inspection? Westerners who’ve filmed much less have had their footage destroyed at the airport. I’m simply amazed that people don’t find it a red flag that freedom of religion is not even tolerated. Uyghur Muslims aren’t even allowed to have long beards. Christianity is banned and the Ten Commandments must be replaced with a portrait of Xi in every household. I think we know who the apologist here is.

    As for your instruction to “give back the USA to the red man” that is one of the dumbest anachronisms for obvious reasons, but, let’s make this interesting and argue the moral point. Why is the USA such a magnet for all of the colored people of the world in a way that China is not? Why is USA so free and China not free? Why do thousands of Chinese fly to Guam to give birth and get citizenship for their offspring? Why do Chinese commit so much espionage and patent theft? Why are so many things in China fake and counterfeited? Why does China have to import baby milk formula from high-trust countries? When will Uyghurs and Tibetans get sovereign reservations, casino licenses and other perks? Is White Americans “stealing” undeveloped land centuries ago that bad compared to Chinese annexation of ancient Xinjiang and Tibet in 1946-50? Looking forward to your answers.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
    @Thomas Zaja


    I’m vicious?
     
    Huh? I didn't accuse you of being vicious.

    I did accuse you of have a "bleeding heart" for the Uighurs. If you don't know the difference, I suggest you google it.


    I am in Europe.
     
    Then I apologise for getting your location wrong.

    Instead you should be preparing space to receive back all the descendents of the colonists that the Europeans have sent out all over the world. Your people went on to dominate 4 out of the world's 6 inhabitable continents.

    Now like a hypocrite, you wag your finger at China.

    and where do you live?
     

    I live in Southeast Asia. In a country that was colonised by Britain. Before that, my region was colonised by the Dutch. Before that my people was colonised by the Portuguese. Before that, we traded with the Chinese for 2000 years and they never once tried to conquer us. But within 50 years of contact with Europe, you had already begun stealing our cities and colonising us.

    To hear you hypocritical Europeans now accusing the Chinese of ill treating the Uighurs, just makes me want to vomit!


    The disincentives to do are huge.
     
    They upload their videos when they are outside China. What can the Chinese government do to them after they have left?

    The disincentives to do are huge. China is an authoritarian and paranoid panopticon
     
    This is the very kind of indoctrination that Unz is writing about. You have concluded that China is a hellhole without even bothered to go to see for yourself.

    And when the accounts of other people that have actually been to China contradict with your view, you simply toss them out with trite dismissals.

    freedom of religion is not even tolerated.
     

    WTF?????????????
    Did you even bother to watch the videos?

    I can't be bothered to interact more with you. I just leave you with some more videos.
    If you have any humanity in you, as you claim you do..............at least have the decency to spend a few minutes to watch these videos.

    Muslim dude from Pakistan goes Xinjiang. He visits a mosque at 3:55
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvbhHsrZW6A

    American dude goes to Xinjiang. He visits a mosque at 20:20
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=682eaEmust0

    British family go to Xinjiang, They visit a mosque at 10:10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6HJ8XOSvQ

    Muslim dude goes to Beijing and visits a Mosque
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa_z1c_QztA

    American dude goes to Tibet and visits a Buddhist temple at 4:10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGhBrXc5Df8

    American girl goes to Tibet and visits a Buddhist temple at 0:35
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WetplXVVUo

    American dude visits a Taoist temple
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHIX3n7CQAU

    American couple visit a Taoist temple
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFVJbvsetcU

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Thomas Zaja, @Walt King

    , @antibeast
    @Thomas Zaja

    You sound like a US Deep State troll pretending to be from Europe. Now if you’re really European, which country in Europe are you from? And can you write in your native European language here just to prove yourself as European?

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Thomas Zaja

    The USA is so free? We’ll have to let our friends know whose entire life’s work — their small business and savings — was destroyed by totalitarian “lockdowns” here in the land of the free.

    We’ll have to inform our acquaintance of the good news; you know, the lady who was fired from her job at the LAUSD school district, despite excellent and dedicated work for the children, two years short of her pension, for refusing to take an inadequately tested and experimental injection (for which manufacturers are shielded from direct lawsuit and liability).

    How about my colleague and me, who had to endure an intimidating, threatening conversation with a higher-level person for not attending the Sodomy Pride event at our workplace, and are likely marked for non-promotion and, when possible, termination.

    Neither Fatmerica nor China is free, by any stretch of the imagination. It’s just that Fatmericans are so willfully ignorant and ill-informed, immature, unrealistic, and wishful thinking, that they need to keep telling themselves and the world about how “free” we are compared to China and Russia. Give me a fucking break.

  • @littlereddot
    @Thomas Zaja


    I’m vicious?
     
    Huh? I didn't accuse you of being vicious.

    I did accuse you of have a "bleeding heart" for the Uighurs. If you don't know the difference, I suggest you google it.


    I am in Europe.
     
    Then I apologise for getting your location wrong.

    Instead you should be preparing space to receive back all the descendents of the colonists that the Europeans have sent out all over the world. Your people went on to dominate 4 out of the world's 6 inhabitable continents.

    Now like a hypocrite, you wag your finger at China.

    and where do you live?
     

    I live in Southeast Asia. In a country that was colonised by Britain. Before that, my region was colonised by the Dutch. Before that my people was colonised by the Portuguese. Before that, we traded with the Chinese for 2000 years and they never once tried to conquer us. But within 50 years of contact with Europe, you had already begun stealing our cities and colonising us.

    To hear you hypocritical Europeans now accusing the Chinese of ill treating the Uighurs, just makes me want to vomit!


    The disincentives to do are huge.
     
    They upload their videos when they are outside China. What can the Chinese government do to them after they have left?

    The disincentives to do are huge. China is an authoritarian and paranoid panopticon
     
    This is the very kind of indoctrination that Unz is writing about. You have concluded that China is a hellhole without even bothered to go to see for yourself.

    And when the accounts of other people that have actually been to China contradict with your view, you simply toss them out with trite dismissals.

    freedom of religion is not even tolerated.
     

    WTF?????????????
    Did you even bother to watch the videos?

    I can't be bothered to interact more with you. I just leave you with some more videos.
    If you have any humanity in you, as you claim you do..............at least have the decency to spend a few minutes to watch these videos.

    Muslim dude from Pakistan goes Xinjiang. He visits a mosque at 3:55
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvbhHsrZW6A

    American dude goes to Xinjiang. He visits a mosque at 20:20
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=682eaEmust0

    British family go to Xinjiang, They visit a mosque at 10:10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6HJ8XOSvQ

    Muslim dude goes to Beijing and visits a Mosque
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa_z1c_QztA

    American dude goes to Tibet and visits a Buddhist temple at 4:10
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGhBrXc5Df8

    American girl goes to Tibet and visits a Buddhist temple at 0:35
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WetplXVVUo

    American dude visits a Taoist temple
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHIX3n7CQAU

    American couple visit a Taoist temple
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFVJbvsetcU

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Thomas Zaja, @Walt King

    Mulga used the word vicious. I can’t tag multiple people at once unfortunately.

    You could not answer any of my questions, especially why so many colored people of the world want to move to the USA and take advantage of this terrible example of colonialism. You ought to learn a bit of the difference between colonialists and settlers. Building a country from lands still stuck in the stone age is not the same as conquering ancient civilizations in Eurasia. They’ve also opened up the West through incredibly generous immigration policies, which of course the Chinese have taken advantage of. You never answered why almost all the instances of espionage and patent theft in the West are perpetrated by Chinese.

    The British relinquished India, but China keeps its empire because it’s contiguous? Who is the hypocrite? It’s not just Tibet and East Turkestan. It’s Inner Mongolia, Manchuria. Taiwan’s indigenous were Maori related, but I suppose that conquering happened long ago. You feel personally aggrieved that your country (+ region) was colonialised by Brits, Dutch and Portuguese, without really explaining why. We are not living in the past we are living now.

    While you are apologizing for getting my continent wrong, you go on to smear all Europeans as colonialists. Europe has 53 countries and perhaps 8 did colonialism, with some positive and negative outcomes from that. I am not from a country that did any colonialism, in fact if you want to make this personal it was “You” Asiatics that did the murdering, raping, enslaving and imperialism in Eastern Europe through the Mongol Empire, Ottoman Turkish Empire, Hunnic Empire, plus various other invaders like Tatars and Avars who were East Asian and Central Asian

    If China’s so good at treating its Uyghurs, why not just let them rule their own country, like they once did less than a hundred years ago? I think we know why you don’t want that.

    You think that by posting videos of mosque visits that proves much? Looks like you don’t understand the concept of freedom. You can’t have half-freedom, half restrictions. Why are beards illegal or churches shut down? The Chinese government even oversees the reincarnation process now for tulkus. Why is the Dalai Lama in exile? You think these realities can be outweighed by counter-evidence that you post of travel bloggers having a merry old time with regime friendly content so their visa isn’t cancelled?

    You couldn’t answer any of my questions, for obvious reasons. You just have a spammy bot-like approach of posting content like “but wait look at this over here” and clogging the comments sections. Stay angry, you ought to be.

    • LOL: littlereddot
    • Replies: @Rahan
    @Thomas Zaja


    If China’s so good at treating its Uyghurs, why not just let them rule their own country,
     
    Chiming in, hopefully my approach is more neutral.

    Continental empires, such as China and Russia, expanded gradually, swallowing up and subsuming neighboring tribes and nations. Hence the "federal republics" and "autonomous regions" of which the Russian Federation is made up, for example.

    Unlike oversea colony empires, the continental empire cannot simply hop on a ship and escape any problems. The new territory is part of its body, physically. You either genocide the conquered, or incorporate them in some way, usually by giving them some sort of autonomy with the expectation that in return they don't act up.

    If Russia starts giving independence to Chechnya or Dagestan or others, this will be the start of the end of Russia. Fragmentation will start and not stop.

    Russia dealt with Chechnya by war, and installing a loyalist king who can run it like his fiefdom. China dealt with the same by reeducation camps and beard clampdowns.

    There is not third choice in this situation. Once the dynamite has been ignited, it's either a) war, b) clampdowns, or c) accept the dissolution of your country on your watch.

    Replies: @ltlee1

    , @BlackFlag
    @Thomas Zaja

    Yes well, European countries are also on the chopping block. They've has a fun time with their halfhearted EU project but the wimpy way in which it has been carried out has only been possible due to their massive civilizational capital. Now that it is rapidly being drawn down, it's time to draw and quarter the countries of Europe. How about Esperanto for a European language? Or maybe Latin? Nah, just use English.

    https://www.ft.com/content/bc1b6eaf-dd5f-4e63-b4dc-90a30e9bec58

    , @Nagasintertwinedinadeathspiral
    @Thomas Zaja

    I salute you for exposing the despicable fraud that is littlereddot.

  • @Carlton Meyer
    @Thomas Zaja


    Ron does not mention the Uyghur Human Rights Project, but their reporting seems credible to me.

    So, can we at least call it a passive genocide or perhaps a soft genocide?
     
    Unless you bother to spend a minute to search for their source of funding:

    "Uyghur Human Rights Project is funded by individual donations and foundation grants. 21 UHRP was initially founded by a grant from the National Endowment for Democracy (NED). The organization has received funding from NED since its founding. 6"

    As you should know, the NED is an arm of the CIA focused on promoting regime change in nations that oppose our empire. It's somewhat successful at fooling fools.

    Replies: @J, @Thomas Zaja

    The source for funding doesn’t mean that the data is bad. Just from the stuff that’s out in the open like official government policy should set alarm bells off:

    “China has deployed more than a million spies – most of them male and part of the country’s Han ethnic majority – to stay in Uighur households every two months as part of what it calls the “Pair Up and Become Family” programme. During their visits, the officials – who the government describes as “relatives” of the monitored families – work, eat, and often share a bed with their “hosts”, one Communist party officer told RFA.”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/muslim-china-uighur-forced-share-beds-male-officials-detention-camps-a9185861.html
    Nothing to see here. Not at all creepy big brother on steroids.

    The 2022 UN report on Uyghurs claims 2 million are in internment camps and the fertility rate has dropped sharply compared to the rest of China. Is all of this CIA-funded propaganda? Please tell us the real figures. And that’s the thing with China… you can’t get any figures that are reliable, just like you can’t trust that the lion in the zoo is really that and not a dog.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Thomas Zaja


    The source for funding doesn’t mean that the data is bad. Just from the stuff that’s out in the open like official government policy should set alarm bells off:
     
    You seem like the sort of total idiot who believes every undocumented claim that a US government funded propaganda-outfit makes. I'm sure you also believed in Saddam's WMDs as well, not to mention the forty beheaded Israeli babies.

    The 2022 UN report on Uyghurs claims 2 million are in internment camps and the fertility rate has dropped sharply compared to the rest of China. Is all of this CIA-funded propaganda?
     
    I'm pretty skeptical about your claim. For example, all our MSM outlets had previously declared that the UN claimed a million Uighurs were being held in camps, but that turned out to be a hoax, merely based upon the statements of an American official who was working at the UN . Here's the Grayzone article revealing the fraud:

    https://thegrayzone.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/

    Like I said, you seem like a very stupid, gullible person who believes whatever nonsense our dishonest media and government tell you.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    , @Carlton Meyer
    @Thomas Zaja

    You are a relentless propagandist, but overpaid. You wrote.


    The 2022 UN report on Uyghurs claims 2 million are in internment camps
     
    You didn't bother to provide a link to that report. Here it is:

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf

    It says nothing about 2 million in camps! It covers investigations into allegations and finds some troubling incidents, as can be found in any nation on Earth. The report does note:

    11. Historically, the population of XUAR is one of the poorest in China. It has been the focus of numerous development and poverty alleviation policies by the central authorities.20 According to State media, 2.3 million people in XUAR emerged from poverty between 2014 and 2018, of which 1.9 million were from southern Xinjiang, which has the highest population of ethnic groups.21 According to official Government information, in 2021, Xinjiang registered seven per cent growth in gross domestic product (GDP) and an increase of per capita disposable income for urban and rural residents of eight per cent and 10.8 per cent.22 Moreover, 1.69 million rural houses and 1.56 million government-subsidized housing projects in cities and towns have reportedly been constructed.23
     
  • @Ron Unz
    @Thomas Zaja


    The source for funding doesn’t mean that the data is bad. Just from the stuff that’s out in the open like official government policy should set alarm bells off:
     
    You seem like the sort of total idiot who believes every undocumented claim that a US government funded propaganda-outfit makes. I'm sure you also believed in Saddam's WMDs as well, not to mention the forty beheaded Israeli babies.

    The 2022 UN report on Uyghurs claims 2 million are in internment camps and the fertility rate has dropped sharply compared to the rest of China. Is all of this CIA-funded propaganda?
     
    I'm pretty skeptical about your claim. For example, all our MSM outlets had previously declared that the UN claimed a million Uighurs were being held in camps, but that turned out to be a hoax, merely based upon the statements of an American official who was working at the UN . Here's the Grayzone article revealing the fraud:

    https://thegrayzone.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/

    Like I said, you seem like a very stupid, gullible person who believes whatever nonsense our dishonest media and government tell you.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    That the MSM were deceptive about the UN report in 2018 is not the fault of the UN.

    The 2022 UN report has not been debunked, not even by the two guys who run the Grayzone. China’s official response was that it was “distorted.” Only 2 million in re-education camps and plunging birth-rates… so which part of that is distorted and by how much I don’t know. As I said, I am just interested to know the real figures… from the folks who watch some ditzy American princess on Youtube as she travels the countryside on a moped, dropping in on weddings and teaching ESL. What expert sleuthing behind enemy lines.

    I don’t claim to be an arbiter of truth. I just really don’t understand giving the benefit of the doubt to a culture that has lying baked into its bread. That ranks at the very bottom of low-trust behavior (this has been empirically shown through lost wallet experiments). That needs to censor and control information to such an extreme degree. If you can’t trust the baby formula to be free of lead than you can’t trust anything. They cheat at everything, and I’m not talking about just counterfeiting. Why not believe the many Uyghurs who have escaped China? Why is the Dalai Lama in exile too?

    Never believed WMD, nor pro-Israel victimologies. Which UN report confirmed those?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Thomas Zaja


    That the MSM were deceptive about the UN report in 2018 is not the fault of the UN.

    The 2022 UN report has not been debunked, not even by the two guys who run the Grayzone. China’s official response was that it was “distorted.”
     
    Well, I've never paid much attention to those propagandistic Uighur genocide claims, which I regarded as ridiculous. But since you've been pressing the issue, I spent five minutes Googling around and completely confirmed my impressions.

    Alfred de Zayas served for decades as a very senior UN Human Rights official and I've read several of his excellent books. He's an individual of enormous integrity, so I take his views very seriously. Here's what he said about that UN Report that you seem to find so convincing:

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/06/the-flaws-in-the-assessment-report-of-the-office-of-the-high-commissioner-for-human-rights-on-china/

    Here is the opening paragraph:

    On 31 August 2022, the last day of Michelle Bachelet’s 4-year tenure as UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, the Office released a 46-page document, which I believe should be discarded as propagandistic, biased, and methodologically flawed. This document, which was not mandated by the Human Rights Council and responds to pressures on OHCHR by Washington and Brussels, bears the superficially neutral title “ Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region”
     
    The previous year, de Zayas and Prof. Richard Falk, another very highly regarded international human rights expert whose work I have followed for decades had said similar things, focusing on the enormous pressure being exerted on the UN by American officials:

    https://johnmenadue.com/alfred-de-zayas-and-richard-falk-the-unjustified-criticism-of-high-commissioner-michelle-bachelets-visit-to-xinjiang-in-china/

    I similarly have a great deal of respect for Prof. Jeffrey Sachs, and he'd co-authored a column entitled: "The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified"

    https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/biden-should-withdraw-unjustified-xinjiang-genocide-allegation-by-jeffrey-d-sachs-and-william-schabas-2021-04

    Perhaps you can explain to me why de Zayas, Falk, and Sachs would all be lying about these important matters. Otherwise, I trust their judgment and my verdict stands: you're just a gullible idiot, ranting about Saddam's WMDs and forty beheaded Israeli babies.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

  • No one can doubt China’s economic development and industrial ethic. They’re just quite adept at hiding the bad stuff, including their internal colonialism and demographic swamping. Their preferred M.O. is death by a thousands cuts.

    American organs are not nearly as anti-China as they could be, considering that top officials frequently identify China as the number one adversary. Too busy demonizing Russia and Middle East countries as they are easier pickings. China own a lot of US debt, while there’s also much economic dependence on Chinese manufacturing…

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    @Thomas Zaja

    They don't 'hide' anything, you lying racist pos. Tens of millions of tourists visit China every year, and produce NO, NIL, ZERO evidence of any 'bad' stuff of the kind you lyingly insinuate. As for the Western MSM, you lie again, ludicrously. I cannot recall a SINGLE positive story regarding the PRC in any Western MSM organ, for decades. Christ, I hate racists.

  • @Ron Unz
    @Thomas Zaja


    That the MSM were deceptive about the UN report in 2018 is not the fault of the UN.

    The 2022 UN report has not been debunked, not even by the two guys who run the Grayzone. China’s official response was that it was “distorted.”
     
    Well, I've never paid much attention to those propagandistic Uighur genocide claims, which I regarded as ridiculous. But since you've been pressing the issue, I spent five minutes Googling around and completely confirmed my impressions.

    Alfred de Zayas served for decades as a very senior UN Human Rights official and I've read several of his excellent books. He's an individual of enormous integrity, so I take his views very seriously. Here's what he said about that UN Report that you seem to find so convincing:

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/09/06/the-flaws-in-the-assessment-report-of-the-office-of-the-high-commissioner-for-human-rights-on-china/

    Here is the opening paragraph:

    On 31 August 2022, the last day of Michelle Bachelet’s 4-year tenure as UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, the Office released a 46-page document, which I believe should be discarded as propagandistic, biased, and methodologically flawed. This document, which was not mandated by the Human Rights Council and responds to pressures on OHCHR by Washington and Brussels, bears the superficially neutral title “ Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region”
     
    The previous year, de Zayas and Prof. Richard Falk, another very highly regarded international human rights expert whose work I have followed for decades had said similar things, focusing on the enormous pressure being exerted on the UN by American officials:

    https://johnmenadue.com/alfred-de-zayas-and-richard-falk-the-unjustified-criticism-of-high-commissioner-michelle-bachelets-visit-to-xinjiang-in-china/

    I similarly have a great deal of respect for Prof. Jeffrey Sachs, and he'd co-authored a column entitled: "The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified"

    https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/biden-should-withdraw-unjustified-xinjiang-genocide-allegation-by-jeffrey-d-sachs-and-william-schabas-2021-04

    Perhaps you can explain to me why de Zayas, Falk, and Sachs would all be lying about these important matters. Otherwise, I trust their judgment and my verdict stands: you're just a gullible idiot, ranting about Saddam's WMDs and forty beheaded Israeli babies.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    That is a rather small cadre of pen-pushers quibbling over clerical matters like methodology, sources and semantics. Not a convincing rebuttal at all, rather predicated upon “we better be 100% sure before we accuse them of something nasty” — unrealistic standard. The report stands, the only point of contention is over the use of the word genocide, because anything outside of killing is going to be a gray zone.

    Human rights lawyers are hesitant about the demographic angle, because they realize there’s a fine line between intent and outcome. Have white British been genocided from London or ethnic French from Paris? No, not completely and not intentionally! And neither will the Uyghurs as they dwindle away under the supervision of their government assigned house-sitters flown in from 3,000 miles away.

    I never accused the Chinese of genocide, rather internal imperialism, demographic swamping, religious intolerance, etc., if you don’t like the term soft genocide that’s fine. By the way, it is actually the Chinese side who is using the WMD line because they justify their extreme crackdown on the need to counter Uyghur terrorism…

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Thomas Zaja


    That is a rather small cadre of pen-pushers quibbling over clerical matters like methodology, sources and semantics.
     
    Look, you're just some random rightwing guy on the Internet, who has zero credibility in my mind. I doubt you speak Mandarin let alone Uyghur and it's not clear whether you've ever been to China.

    All those apolitical Western visitors traveled around Uyghur cities and talked with lots of Uyghurs on camera, including children. None of them seemed coached or fearful, but instead they all seemed happy, friendly, and prosperous.

    All the Uyghurs were freely speaking their own language, wearing their traditional clothes, following their traditional customs, practicing their Muslim religion, and using their Arabic script. If all of that is freely permitted, what does "cultural genocide" mean?

    If you hunt around YouTube, you can probably find dozens or even hundreds of videos by other Western visitors. None of them look like they're lying.

    Meanwhile, you believe some alleged UN Report saying something entirely different. As everyone knows from the Ukraine and Gaza conflicts, international organizations are overwhelmingly under Western government control. Putin was quickly indicted as a war criminal for rescuing Russian children from Ukraine. Meanwhile, Israel's ongoing, televised genocidal rampage in Gaza has been almost totally ignored for more than a year.

    I trust the Grayzone. They looked at one of the UN reports and said it was garbage. I greatly trust international human rights experts such as de Zayas and Falk. They were extremely skeptical of the UN report. I trust Jeffrey Sachs and he said the same thing.

    It sounds like your main focus is the "genocide" that British whites are currently suffering due to foreign immigration. So go ahead and rant about that all you want, but stop focusing upon topics about which you obviously know nothing.

    You may or may not be aware that for decades, Han Chinese were restricted to having only a single child, while Uyghurs and other Chinese minorities could have as many as they wanted. I guess that's what you call "Uyghur genocide."

    Replies: @Levtraro, @Thomas Zaja

    , @Anonymous
    @Thomas Zaja

    Your use of the phrase "religious intolerance" already shows that you don't know what you're talking about. Chinese culture, and East Asian culture in general, are not uptight about religion. So, there is nothing to be intolerant about when it comes to religion. In case you don't know, there has never been a religious war or even religious tension in the entire history of East Asia, and there’s a reason for it.

    Imagine an alien culture where people are very uptight about their choice of soft drinks. Some people prefer Coke, some prefer Pepsi. Historically, the Coke-drinking people and the Pepsi-drinking people were at each other's throats, and both groups held contempt for the Mountain Dew drinkers. Over the years, the people in this culture wised up and realized it was silly to fight over their choice of drinks, so they started educating their people about soft drink tolerance.

    One day, this alien culture lands on planet Earth and starts lecturing Europeans on the need for soft drink tolerance. This is how absurd it is.

    A picture is worth a thousand words.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Huxisanxiaotu.jpg


    Three Men Laughing by Tiger Creek

    Here is the description of the picture:

    Song Dynasty painting in the Litang style illustrating the theme "Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism are one". Depicts Taoist Lu Xiujing (left), official Tao Yuanming (right) and Buddhist monk Huiyuan (center, founder of Pure Land) by the Tiger stream. The stream borders a zone infested by tigers that they just crossed without fear, engrossed as they were in their discussion. Realizing what they just did, they laugh together, hence the name of the picture, Three laughing men by the Tiger stream.

    Replies: @The_Masterwang

    , @mulga mumblebrain
    @Thomas Zaja

    Look, troll-you read like that lunatic Adrian Zenz. In other words a Sinophobic, racist LIAR. Just why you do it, whether you are a die-hard racist, a Western supremacist furious at China's rise or a jihadist propagandist, or some melange of those abominations, who cares. Perhaps, like Zenz, you are a 'born-again (once was too much) 'Christian' 'led by God', ie a deranged narcissist. If evil scum like you have your way, and the West attacks China, that will be it for the West.

  • @Ron Unz
    @Thomas Zaja


    That is a rather small cadre of pen-pushers quibbling over clerical matters like methodology, sources and semantics.
     
    Look, you're just some random rightwing guy on the Internet, who has zero credibility in my mind. I doubt you speak Mandarin let alone Uyghur and it's not clear whether you've ever been to China.

    All those apolitical Western visitors traveled around Uyghur cities and talked with lots of Uyghurs on camera, including children. None of them seemed coached or fearful, but instead they all seemed happy, friendly, and prosperous.

    All the Uyghurs were freely speaking their own language, wearing their traditional clothes, following their traditional customs, practicing their Muslim religion, and using their Arabic script. If all of that is freely permitted, what does "cultural genocide" mean?

    If you hunt around YouTube, you can probably find dozens or even hundreds of videos by other Western visitors. None of them look like they're lying.

    Meanwhile, you believe some alleged UN Report saying something entirely different. As everyone knows from the Ukraine and Gaza conflicts, international organizations are overwhelmingly under Western government control. Putin was quickly indicted as a war criminal for rescuing Russian children from Ukraine. Meanwhile, Israel's ongoing, televised genocidal rampage in Gaza has been almost totally ignored for more than a year.

    I trust the Grayzone. They looked at one of the UN reports and said it was garbage. I greatly trust international human rights experts such as de Zayas and Falk. They were extremely skeptical of the UN report. I trust Jeffrey Sachs and he said the same thing.

    It sounds like your main focus is the "genocide" that British whites are currently suffering due to foreign immigration. So go ahead and rant about that all you want, but stop focusing upon topics about which you obviously know nothing.

    You may or may not be aware that for decades, Han Chinese were restricted to having only a single child, while Uyghurs and other Chinese minorities could have as many as they wanted. I guess that's what you call "Uyghur genocide."

    Replies: @Levtraro, @Thomas Zaja

    You may be surprised to learn that the majority of Han Chinese (64% in 2007) were not subject to the so-called one child policy due to exemptions like family history and geographic region. Those that were simply paid the “fee” for the additional children. Complete misnomer from the Western lexicon (who believes CIA talking points now?). It was a eugenic policy designed to keep the poorer and less intelligent from having more children. It was even called the eugenic policy in Chinese before Western whining implored them to change the name. The policy ended in 2013, and you are dragging it into the question of current Uyghur treatment? Xi is now the leader and yes he is an absolute hardliner and Han supremacist.

    Sorry to be a stickler but the Grayzone did not call the 2018 UN report garbage… they said that the MSM’s interpretations of it were.

    I have not been to China, but not all of it is open for public inspection. Don’t you think that if 2 million (or whatever the number) of your tougher men were in “re-education camps” that what would be left behind would be far more docile, both by nature and circumstance? It’s an artificially created compliance. The Chinese are masters at good cop, bad cop, with an emphasis on the latter.

    I am still waiting to hear the Sinophiles in the comments section answer some basic questions. Does a country with perennial fake meat scandals and gutter oil cuisine deserve to be trusted on anything? Why will an injured person lying in the street be ignored by passers-by for hours (or even reversed on by drivers so that they don’t have to pay restitution)? Why is European overseas colonialism from the past bad, but landlocked Chinese colonialism from 1950 to present good? Why is the Dalai Lama in exile? Does a regime that bans men from having beards deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt? If Christians are banned from having a portrait of Jesus in their own home (while Xi’s is mandatory) what else is happening in that country that we can’t fully know about?

    The way NOT to answer these questions is to say “But did you know Mosque ABC or Cathedral XYZ is open to tourists?” The neo-Ottoman Sultan Erdogan also has one of Christianity’s greatest edifices as an open museum (and planned to turn it into a mosque). A lot of you like posting video-blogging presentations from happy-go-lucky Western liberals who in the USA could be gullible enough to support BLM, LGBT or other pro-regime ideologies. If I am not mistaken, the number one China-related streamer in the West is now the “China fakes everything” guy.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Thomas Zaja


    I am still waiting to hear the Sinophiles in the comments section answer some basic questions. Does a country with perennial fake meat scandals and gutter oil cuisine deserve to be trusted on anything?
     
    LOL. You probably should read one of my short articles from a dozen years ago. Perhaps it would help you overcome some of your FoxNews brainwashing.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    This much more recent article might also help:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-dangerous-foods/

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

  • @Ron Unz
    @Thomas Zaja


    I am still waiting to hear the Sinophiles in the comments section answer some basic questions. Does a country with perennial fake meat scandals and gutter oil cuisine deserve to be trusted on anything?
     
    LOL. You probably should read one of my short articles from a dozen years ago. Perhaps it would help you overcome some of your FoxNews brainwashing.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

    This much more recent article might also help:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-dangerous-foods/

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    I’m not in America so I don’t watch Fox News.

    Your article relativized the tainted food scandals in China by pointing to milder instances of corporate cost-cutting in America. That’s your argument? Whataboutism? And the problem of too much sugar, salt, preservatives, aspartame etc. is not exactly unknown, not even to the Americans who gladly ingest processed junk. In China the main ingredient itself is counterfeited, so there’s just no comparison.

    A few years back you might recall the story of the Chinese restaurant that was lacing its food with opium from poppies so that its diners would become addicted. It worked too. This isn’t Fox News, this was reported in Chinese media as well as Western. The astonishing thing is that after the news coverage there were dozens of restaurateurs caught emulating the tactic, such is the business acumen and bottomless greed in China.

    As for America’s food scandals I wonder just how many are actually perpetrated by traditional Americans. Are you aware that the largest vintage wine fraud in history was perpetrated in California by a Chinese guy from Malaysia? Rudy Kurniawan. What’s next? Documenting all of the financial criminals like Marc Rich, Pincus Green, Bernie Madoff and Sam Bankman-Fried and concluding that they’re just as American as Billy-Jake and Bobby-Sue?

    The only people praising this article are ethnic Chinese and those who are misplacing a (somewhat deserved) cynicism of the West. I think Ron has developed a sweet tooth for the Brix — pardon I mean BRICS — alliance which has been overly romanticized in recent years. It seems a lot like when it comes to American Pravda vs Chinese Pravda, Unz sooner believes the latter. I think the Russians, who have long disliked the Chinese, take the right approach in making it a minimally trustful cooperation of convenience.

    Since people are in the habit of posting digital pamphlets all over the comments section I am going to recommend David Zhang, a non-employee of Fox News, as I think his hours of video assemblage is much more convincing than ditzy Americans on Spling Bleak picking berries on the roadside in Urumqi.

    Video Linkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoqYzXXYQi4

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
    @Thomas Zaja

    Using a single incident (fake or not) to stereotype China is rule # 1 in the CIA or Western media playbook to demonize China. The title of the video "China Fakes Everything' by China Insider with David Zhang should raise the alarm right away for his dubious and unscrupulous intention like the old day compradors selling their own kind down the drain for their personal gains or score some kinds of personal grudges.

    If you did not notice the whole video is a series of poorly made staged fake incidents, then indeed you can troll racial hatred so blindly.

    BTW the decline of Germany is German's own doing just like the Americans, it is the result of their blinding racist arrogance, complacency, laziness, and cult-like ideology. The western zero-sum, beggar-thy-neighbour, the dog in the manger, greed, and barbarism finally do them in, the chicken has come home to roost.

    Bad-mouthing China is not going to help you and your nation progress and overcome difficulties. You need to look into the mirror, bite the bullet, and move on like China.

    , @antibeast
    @Thomas Zaja



    I’m not in America so I don’t watch Fox News.

     

    You’re not in America but you’re definitely American.
    , @Ron Unz
    @Thomas Zaja


    Your article relativized the tainted food scandals in China by pointing to milder instances of corporate cost-cutting in America. That’s your argument?
     
    You're just an idiotic anti-China troll and not worth any more of my time.

    My 2012 article contrasted two different cases, the Melamine scandal in China, which resulted in a half-dozen deaths and became a gigantic national controversy both in that country and also in our own, such that Americans were still endlessly citing it as proof of horrific Chinese corruption almost a decade later. The Chinese severely punished the individuals responsible, executing one or two of them.

    Meanwhile, around roughly the same time, the Vioxx scandal in America caused tens of thousands of American deaths according to our official government study, and perhaps actually hundreds of thousands according to my own analysis. But it was quickly covered up and totally forgotten with none of the executives responsible being punished.

    Since you used the term "milder," you obviously didn't read my article, or perhaps you're just too stupid to understand that 50,000 deaths is larger than 6 deaths.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

  • @Ron Unz
    @Thomas Zaja


    Your article relativized the tainted food scandals in China by pointing to milder instances of corporate cost-cutting in America. That’s your argument?
     
    You're just an idiotic anti-China troll and not worth any more of my time.

    My 2012 article contrasted two different cases, the Melamine scandal in China, which resulted in a half-dozen deaths and became a gigantic national controversy both in that country and also in our own, such that Americans were still endlessly citing it as proof of horrific Chinese corruption almost a decade later. The Chinese severely punished the individuals responsible, executing one or two of them.

    Meanwhile, around roughly the same time, the Vioxx scandal in America caused tens of thousands of American deaths according to our official government study, and perhaps actually hundreds of thousands according to my own analysis. But it was quickly covered up and totally forgotten with none of the executives responsible being punished.

    Since you used the term "milder," you obviously didn't read my article, or perhaps you're just too stupid to understand that 50,000 deaths is larger than 6 deaths.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    My good man you are comparing apples and orangutans. To counter China’s horrid record on food safety you bring up America’s pharmaceutical industry in your case study that hypothetically calculates elevated deaths (among sick people over the age of 65). Mike Sheridan (The Times) hypothesized that in Shanghai alone 1 in 20 children could have gotten kidney damage from tainted milk. Extrapolate on those numbers. Up to 90% of Australia’s infant formula is still exported to China, and that’s data from just a few years ago. I guess a lot of folks in China are watching too much Fox News or still don’t trust their own market. Actually, the Chinese government ordered the media to minimize coverage of the scandal to “avoid civil unrest.”

    Here’s another beauty: injecting rancid pondwater into mutton to counterfeit the weight. https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-01/06/content_17218563.htm These things just don’t happen in the West. The real question is how much more happens in China that is never uncovered. America has such a stronger culture of consumer protection, watchdogs, well-funded lawsuits, class actions and a freer media. How many buildings collapse in China because the builders use putty cement in parts to save money? Did you know there are fake beggar rackets that fly in to Australian cities to take advantage of high-trust, high-empathy whites? https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/inside-the-police-bust-that-ended-chinese-begging-ring/news-story/9be067a7b5605372ed194a270190174b It would be good to get into every single aspect of industry and society for our comparisons but I’ve noticed that you haven’t got any more time and you’re sticking with your two case studies. I’m sorry you think that you wasted time on someone “idiotic” and “a troll” but why not instead think of how much time you saved by ignoring 90% of the points that I brought up? You’ve also misread me as “gullible”… we share views on most things but because we happen to differ on what’s happening behind the Amsterdam shop window of Uyghuristan… out come the slurs. You’re now five exchanges deep with someone you consider “too stupid”… I guess it’s time to stop either way or it’ll be ironic.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    @Thomas Zaja

    As usual with filthy, Sinophobe, racist liars like you, you insect, you concentrate on a problem in China, and then lie that it is widespread and unresolved. You're an evil toad, to be sure.
    China rectifies problems. Food quality has greatly improved, and you have the gall to quote a Western MSM presstitute regarding damage to children from tainted milk, whose employment DEPENDS entirely on being relentlessly negative concerning China, every single time.
    The tainted milk scandal was in 2008, and was used as a propaganda weapon against China, as ever. The Chinese punished the guilty and tightened food safety considerably. And, as if food contamination scandals do not occur outside China, even in the glorious West, you villainous, hate-crazed, racist hypocrite. The existence of hatred like yours is why humanity really has no chance of long survival.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

  • @mulga mumblebrain
    @Thomas Zaja

    As usual with filthy, Sinophobe, racist liars like you, you insect, you concentrate on a problem in China, and then lie that it is widespread and unresolved. You're an evil toad, to be sure.
    China rectifies problems. Food quality has greatly improved, and you have the gall to quote a Western MSM presstitute regarding damage to children from tainted milk, whose employment DEPENDS entirely on being relentlessly negative concerning China, every single time.
    The tainted milk scandal was in 2008, and was used as a propaganda weapon against China, as ever. The Chinese punished the guilty and tightened food safety considerably. And, as if food contamination scandals do not occur outside China, even in the glorious West, you villainous, hate-crazed, racist hypocrite. The existence of hatred like yours is why humanity really has no chance of long survival.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    It’s true, I am pro-Uyghur and anti-Chinese. The conclusion of some commenters here? That I’m racist! By which metric are we going on here, skin tone or epicanthic fold? I’ll confess it’s the Japanese who truly have the apple of my eye as far as Asia goes…

    As for the white retirees and young travel bloggers being treated well in China – I’m simply flummoxed. Stop the presses. But I thought the issue we were discussing is how the Uyghurs are being treated. I’ve still heard no rebuttals on indisputable policies in force as we speak. One can’t hypothesize about what’s happening in the dark if one refuses to see what’s happening in broad daylight. Do people think it’s normal that the Chinese government offers cash incentives (10,000 yuan) for Han to intermarry with Uyghurs? But of course it’s all for the good cause of “ethnic harmony and unity.” Mr Unz has left the building, but perhaps he can come back since I am stupid with numbers. 12 million Uyghurs, 7 million Tibetans and 1.4 billion Han Chinese… can someone run a simulation to see who wins? Does the CIA control South China Morning Post? https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1583806/xinjiang-county-offers-10000-yuan-reward-uygurs-who-marry-han-chinese

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    @Thomas Zaja

    You're NOT 'pro-Uighur'. You're anti-Chinese, a racist thug, and pro-jihadist terrorist. Like the Uighur butchers in Syria with a reputation for particular savagery, now proclaiming their aim to attack China ie defenceless civilians. With you, scum-bag, as a willing accomplice.
    You're just a typical Sinophobe racist. You'll believe ANYTHING anti-Chinese and ignore Xinjiang's remarkable progress, China's success in defeating Uighur terrorists paid and trained by the West, and China's two thousand years (from the Han) history in Xinjiang. You're an evil shit, and would love to see terrorist bombs explode in China again, and people massacred by knife-wielding psychos at railway stations, far from Xinjiang.

  • Decades ago I became fully convinced that UFOs were real. I even accepted that past visits to our planet of such space aliens had been the basis for many of the religious myths of different societies all around the world, just as Erich von Däniken had argued in his massive 1971 bestseller Chariots of the...
  • I always wondered why the Podesta brothers were so interested in UFOs.

    The I read Ron’s description of the Grays as “somewhat child-like beings” and it all made sense.

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  • Scientists strike me as rather slovenly inclined, introverted and risk-aversive. They all got paychecks and that buys a lot of people’s conscience. Add to that the fact that the Cold War, while not exactly on par with WWII and the Manhattan Project, was a war nonetheless and America was a much more patriotic country back then.

    A popular view in Russia is that the Soviet government collaborated with the Americans in the Moon landing hoax because they had their own failed missions that they lied to their population about. Some believe Yuri Gagarin did not survive his mission and a doppelganger was found, etc. In the year 2000, 28% of Russians did not believe Americans went to the Moon. By 2020, it was 49%. The tide is turning in the Sea of Tranquility.

    Yet during all those years, no one seems to have ever published a single Moon Hoax book, and apparently the first and only such book ever published came out in 2005, long after the overwhelming majority of the tens of thousands of direct Apollo participants had died or otherwise left the scene.

    Poorly researched. In 1976, Bill Kaysing and Randy Reid published “We Never Went to the Moon: America’s Thirty Billion Dollar Swindle!”

    I am not at all convinced by footage of Yankee lunar pedestrianism as it looks totally lackluster and lackadaisical – that is enough of a reason for me. They filmed The Wizard of Oz in 1938 yet the Moon landing looks like it was filmed in 1908 not ’69… that’s how grainy the video is. It’s not just the pitch black sky at all times, it’s anything in the far-ground. There’s some major perspective issue, I almost get claustrophobic watching it. How much curvature of the Moon could there possibly be? It’s not a lighting issue… In fact all Moon landings supposedly took place during the day. They never even pointed the video camera back at Earth to show what it looks like. Maybe take a selfie with the Earth in background??? Nope. All they ever show is Anders’ photo from orbit in 1968, which has enough detail to pick up Earth’s clouds but not any stars! Laughable.

    • Replies: @Iris
    @Thomas Zaja


    A popular view in Russia is that the Soviet government collaborated with the Americans in the Moon landing hoax because they had their own failed missions that they lied to their population about.
     
    The real explanation why the Soviets kept their mouth shut about the fake "Moon landings" was actually detailed, in public, on the Russian state-owned RT TV channel, by a Russian emeritus Physics academic.
    The broadcast was watched by 4+ millions, me including, before being taken down by Jew-Tube.

    In short, the Soviets knew straightaway that the Apollo rockets were not even reaching Low Earth Orbit and were crashing into the ocean instead.
    So they calculated the ballistic trajectory of Apollo 13 and sent a nuclear submarine to pick up the empty, sealed Control Module, and used it to blackmail the USA, with arbitration from the Hungarians. The US sent an icebreaker to retrieve the incriminating CM from Murmansk. In exchange, the Soviets got a bounty of loans, commercial agreements, massive grain supply, economic investments such as the first American truck and food factories in the USSR. They also got more favourable terms in bilateral political and weapon treaties.

    After a few years however, considering what great sacrifices it was simultaneously demanding from its population towards facing the USA foe, the USSR regime became itself embroiled in its lies and could not admit to having had a secret honeymoon with the enemy, So they shut up on their dirty state secret forever.
  • In the dying embers of the Biden presidency, the laws of entropy seem to be channeling all of the energy toward the incoming administration. Trump has already promised a flurry of up to 100 executive orders on day 1, but some heat is still emanating from the not-so-friendly fire between the two factions of the...
  • @Bardon Kaldian

    Volodymyr Zelensky remains widely loathed and ridiculed in Europe, especially in the East where he is the subject of several local jokes.
     
    You evidently don't know a whit about the general disposition of peoples in the ex- Warsaw pact. Zelensky is viewed as a hero who saved Ukraine from defeat by refusing Biden's offer to evacuate by American plane & to form a government in exile.

    With basically small American help (0.2% of US budget as compared with FDR's help to Stalin's Soviet Union from 1941-1944 amounting to 6% of American budget yearly) & lagging EU donations, he succeeded in repelling Russian aggression which now holds ca. 20% of Ukrainian territory and, even more, has intruded into Russia to take & keep the Kursk pocket despite all suicidal Russian & Korean efforts. Now, Ukrainians are massively destroying oil reservoirs & missile factories in Russia proper, and a few days ago, they destroyed radar system worth $ 100 million.

    Zelensky has earned respect by constantly inspecting the front-line, sleepless for days in crucial periods & is a hero in normal Europeans' eyes (and normal Americans').

    Shills for the Kremlin psychotic midget, of course, cannot comprehend that.

    I doubt you're on a Russian payroll. Ingrained native stupidity & a lack of moral, legal and political compass are more than enough.

    Most of Putin’s cheerleaders fall into two-three camps: they are rooting for bullies because that’s how they function in the world; they hate the Globohomo agenda & are delusional that Putin, who in some aspects is against it too, is their “natural ally” (perhaps “leader”); they despise Ukrainians because they are, to them, insignificant people somewhere in the east- and fail to see that contemporary Ukrainian heroic fight is a true birth of a nation, whichever has been the state of Ukrainian society before that (corruption, prostitution,…).

    Essentially, Putin’s cheerleaders are betrayers of what is the essential West. Orwell wrote somewhere about Jack the Giant killer as the central myth of the Western world. It is basically being on the side of the underdog.

    Putinists betrayed that.

    Replies: @Boiling the Frog, @NeverTrustaWizard, @Thomas Zaja

    You’re a fanboy of Zelensky and call Putin a midget? Thanks for the laugh.

  • @Sew Crates Hymerschniffen

    at this point in history
     
    I know a lot of people have begun using this phrase, apparently to seem profound, but it is nonsense. There is a word for what you seem to mean. The word is "now".

    Replies: @ariadna, @Thomas Zaja

    Never has anyone accused me of me of waffling too much when I write. What are you doing reading long-form articles such as this? Back to Breitbart you go, and take your CliffsNotes brain with you.

    • Agree: NeverTrustaWizard
    • Replies: @Sew Crates Hymerschniffen
    @Thomas Zaja

    You completely missed the point, strawman killer. "History" is past. You'd appear more capable if you did not use it to refer to the present. Get it this time?

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

  • @Kali El
    Zaja says:

    Joining Ramaswamy are Kash Patel, Sriram Krishnan, Jay Bhattacharya and Tulsi Gabbard – making Hindus the most overrepresented ethno-religious group in the Trump administration.
     
    Hindu is a religious term. It started out as a geographic term, it was originally the Persian word for the Sindhu River aka Indus River. That led to calling India "Hindustan," the land of the Indus, since that and the nearby but now defunct Sarasvati River, is where the "Indus Valley Civilization" was centered. The people in Hindustan were therefore called by outsiders Hindustanis or Hindus for short, regardless of their religion. They called themselves arya, or aryan. Much later after the Muslim conquests Hindu only referred to people who followed some sort of related Vedic faith. Tulsi btw is not Indian. And anyways there are more Jewish people in Trump's cabinet than Indians.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    I didn’t say there were more Hindus than Jews in the administration, I said that they were the most overrepresented ethno-religious group. Most Hindus share a common ancestry, so that’s the ethno part.

    I also didn’t say Tulsi is Indian. But she was born a Hindu, that’s why her given name is Hindu and she’s still a practicing Hindu. I worded everything correctly, precisely to avoid haggling pajeets.

  • @Sew Crates Hymerschniffen
    @Thomas Zaja

    You completely missed the point, strawman killer. "History" is past. You'd appear more capable if you did not use it to refer to the present. Get it this time?

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    You are policing the semantic validity of the colloquial expression “at this point in history”? I don’t think even Neil deGrass Tyson has ever been this insufferable. History is being made… whoops

    • Replies: @Sew Crates Hymerschniffen
    @Thomas Zaja

    Free editorial advice about a logical problem, rather. Beware colloquial expressions when men can have babies and girls can be boys. You are the one being petty here. This is a comments section, Nancy.

  • The story: Did you believe it 30 years ago when they told you that the Oslo Accords would bring peace to the Middle East? That Israel would finally withdraw from the Palestinian territories it had illegally occupied for decades, end its brutal repression of the Palestinian people, and allow a Palestinian state to be created...
  • Will never understand the fixation with Palestine, a patch of real estate the size of Delaware. Millions of Palestinians have no problem living large in Sweden, Germany, etc. – while of course the remaining corpus holds the fort with insane birth rates (so much for living in an open air prison and apartheid). At some point it becomes consensual.

    Maybe tell them a new giant airport or dam needs to be constructed? Native Americans, Australian Aboriginals, Chagos Islanders or Germans post WWII were transported longer distances than going to Jordan or Egypt. Holy temples my ass. They are in Mecca and Medina.

    • Troll: Jim H
    • Replies: @it's another unz poster
    @Thomas Zaja

    Palestinians are one of the few groups in Europe, Australia, etc. who are genuine refugees. They are an oppressed and stateless people. Every other nationality has a homeland to return to.

    Replies: @NobodyImportant, @Thomas Zaja

    , @Old Brown Fool
    @Thomas Zaja

    Who is fixated with Gaza - those who live there, or those who want to capture that?

  • Is the western media even-handed in its coverage of China? And how has this impacted public perception of China in America? Ron Unz---I think the Western media has been overwhelmingly biased against China, a bias that stretches back for decades but has steadily grown worse during the 2010s and especially the last few years. Coverage...
  • The number of people who non-facetiously refer to China as practising communism is astonishing. They must also think North Korea and Congo are democratic.

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  • From the time it became obvious that Donald Trump was going to win the 2024 election, I said that this whole thing was going to be about Israel. We’d be lucky to get a few things from him, but it would be the Israel administration. However, when he came in, he made a point to...
  • My article from January 19 projected an era of Trumpian “Eretz Yamerica”… this is taking it to a new level. Of course the idea is to hold it in escrow.

    https://www.unz.com/article/occupy-mars-a-lago/

  • The story: Did you believe it 30 years ago when they told you that the Oslo Accords would bring peace to the Middle East? That Israel would finally withdraw from the Palestinian territories it had illegally occupied for decades, end its brutal repression of the Palestinian people, and allow a Palestinian state to be created...
  • @it's another unz poster
    @Thomas Zaja

    Palestinians are one of the few groups in Europe, Australia, etc. who are genuine refugees. They are an oppressed and stateless people. Every other nationality has a homeland to return to.

    Replies: @NobodyImportant, @Thomas Zaja

    Here’s data about your “legitimate refugees” from Palestine who now live in Denmark:
    – 64% were involved in serious crimes
    – Huge proportion received welfare, especially the pension for physically/mentally disabled
    – They have way more children than average — 34% of whom committed serious crimes

    Source: https://www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/palestinians-in-your-country-what

    Refugees are supposed to go to nearby countries where they fit in better. That is according to the UN convention on asylum.

    A century ago there were roughly 700,000 Muslims in Israel/Palestine… now there are more are 6.7 million there and another 7 million abroad. Kind of ridiculous isn’t it? When Israel was founded in 1948, most of the Palestinians were relocated, but 150,000 remained. Had they been internally relocated within the Mandate of Palestine to the part that is now called Jordan, this neverending hell would not be burdening the entire world. And Lebanon is more or less the same cultural entity. Any decent sized modern country has more variance than going from Gaza to Beirut. As I said earlier, many examples exist of peoples being transported much farther distances. Sick to death of this unending sob-story, all because of a territory ten times smaller than the largest Native American Reserve.

    Time to wake up and smell the coffee perhaps?

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  • The Trump Administration, in place for only a little over three weeks, has gone full speed ahead in its advocacy for Israel. Donald Trump’s invitation to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to visit him at the White House, the first foreign head of state to be honored in that fashion, set the stage for a...
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  • @Odyssey
    What an incredible pile of nonsense that goes beyond mere forgeries. Not a single text has appeared here so far where almost every line presents the most superficial nonsense and lies without any logic. Peoples and groups appear out of nowhere and disappear overnight. It is not known which languages they spoke and where their languages ​​​​were created.

    It is no wonder if we have Croatian authors who are known for an incredible amount of forgeries where they even invented their non-existent existence in antiquity, dozens of non-existent kings and medieval Croatian states, although even on the referenced 3D map the Croatian name does not appear anywhere, but in the place of present-day Croatia there is an empty (perhaps uninhabited?) territory, whose ownership is unknown. If I have time, I may highlight a couple of the greatest pearls among the presented nonsense.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Thomas Zaja, @nosquat loquat

    You are embarrassingly petty. Croats are not the subject of this essay. You also haven’t learned to use timemap.org if you cannot locate the relevant maps.

    In the space you took to tell us that you don’t have enough time, you could have just named one forgery or illogical statement that I am guilty of. The historical accounts are not mine, the sources are quoted and cited, my interpretations are minimal. Put up or shut up.

    • Disagree: Miroslav
    • Replies: @emil nikola richard
    @Thomas Zaja


    @ Odyssey
    Put up or shut up.
     
    Oops.
    , @Odyssey
    @Thomas Zaja

    Wow! Your excuse is that you just quoted some sources (and 'carried out orders') and don't go into whether they are forgeries or not. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. Why are you even getting into something you have no idea about?

    You say that Croats are not the topic of the text. You mentioned that Croats assimilated the Avars? Funny. That's why I mentioned Croats because just one sentence would destroy the entire construction of forgeries in the text. I know that you are not allowed to say that Croats are Slavs, nor that Croats are the natives of Europe, nor what language they spoke, nor when they appeared in history, nor the fact that they happen to have the same genetics as Serbs.

    You are implicitly mentioning Germans and their relationship with the newly arrived Slavs. By the way, the term Slavs does not exist before the 6th-7th century and cannot be backdated. You don't say (nor do the sources you cite) when the Germans came to present-day Germany and from where. Who lived in present-day Germany before the arrival of the Germans from Asia.

    I already summarized it in the question - what is the meaning of the word German, which no one knows and which even tulip couldn't answer (spearmen? lol). It's obvious that you don't know that the Germans were not Goths (nor were they Aryans), which even tulip confirmed. I said that almost every other sentence is a forgery and that there's simply no point in analyzing each of them, but I'll maybe highlight some, but it might be more interesting to find what's true in your text.

    I don't blame you for your ignorance because you grew up on forgeries, but I blame you for your lack of will to learn anything. Well, maybe you know who the Aryans were, at least cite some of your sources and I'll prove to you that they're forgeries?

    In general, the thesis about some Ukrainians is meaningless because they did not exist before Lenin. What kind of artificial distinction is this between them and the Russians? When Serbian colonists founded colonies in present-day Ukraine in 1750 (and gave it a name), there were no Ukrainians or the Ukrainian language. Nations are not created overnight, especially their languages, and this applies to both Croats and Galicians/Ukrainians.

    Here's another opportunity for you. There is not a single primary source (for example, in the 200 years following elusive migration) that some so-called Slavs moved to the Balkans in the 7th century. It is a Vatican fabrication from the 17th century. It is the cornerstone of world history and the source of almost all subsequent forgeries. So, there is not a single source from any historian, writer, literary figure, poet, philosopher, state official, Roman legionnaire, or random passerby who recorded the migration of some Slavs (i.e. Serbs, because there were no other Slavs) to the Balkans, which, according to logistical calculations, should have been a column 1,500 km long.

    So, give us a single source that testifies to that migration.

  • @obwandiyag
    "Ancient Dorians of the Danubian Basin may have evolved in similar conditions before going on to invade Pelasgic Greece, founding the militaristic city-states of Sparta, Athens and Corinth".

    I'm sorry, but Athens was not Dorian. It was Ionian.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    You are technically correct but it was the Dorians who made Athens democratic, like the cities that they founded. Dorian invasion in 12th century BC, democracy in Athens from 5th century, you get the idea.

    Manchurians are people from the region that is now Manchuria… do you understand the point of keeping things simple for a readership that is mostly political? Evidently not. This essay is about Slavic identity and you are getting fastidious about trivialities. The Mongols conquered just about every Turkic race and several other Altaic peoples, then mobilized them to fight in all parts of the empire… do you understand the meaning of the phrase “under their yoke”?

    Indo-Europeans did not go to Mongolia or Manchuria, understand? Northern India is not part of the Eurasian Steppe and as mentioned Indo-Europeans were endemic to central Asia, they migrated westward and never went back.

    • Replies: @Odyssey
    @Thomas Zaja

    “Ancient Dorians of the Danubian Basin may have evolved in similar conditions before going on to invade Pelasgic Greece, founding the militaristic city-states of Sparta, Athens and Corinth”.

    Do you read what you wrote? If the Dorians came from the Danube, it means they were not Greeks. They could not have been because the term 'Greek' originates from the 3rd century BC (900 years later!!) and was used after the Roman conquests in the 2nd century BC.

    Therefore, there is no Pelasgian Greece because no Greece existed at that time (it was created only in 1829 by the English and Austrians). From this quote it also follows that the Spartans were not Greeks either, which is correct.

    So you said three correct things: (1) the Dorians came from the Danube (2) they founded Sparta (3) the Pelasgians lived in present-day Greece. Okay, I will ignore the mention of 'Greece', which may have been by inertia. Your conclusion is against the law of logic which says that from wrong premises a correct answer can (accidentally) turn out, but from right premises a wrong conclusion cannot be drawn.

    If you knew what language the Dorians and Pelasgians (and Phrygians and Dardanians and Trojans) spoke, then everything would be clear to you. There is also the story about Athenian 'democracy'. What is that? In contrast to Spartan meritocracy, we have Athenian democracy, i.e. rule by the tribes (similar to the current democracy in the US, lol), which is based on the slave system since there were more slaves than free people and widespread corruption where money could buy everything (as, for example, Demosthenes bought the position of mayor of Athens), which is again a model of American democracy.

    You obviously don't know who the non-existent 'Indo-Europeans' were, and if you mean the Aryans (who weren't IE!!), they did come to what is now China (later they were even paid by the Chinese to protect their villages from the Mongols) and all the way to the Pacific. In the previous comment I assumed you didn't know who the Aryans were and here you confirmed it. What language did the so-called Indo-Europeans speak and where did that language originate?

    Or, with just one answer that no one (not even the Barefoot) has answered so far (when did the future Greeks come to Europe, where did they come from and what were their names then) you will answer many other questions and expose a sea of ​​forgeries.

    Replies: @Odyssey

  • Every year has its yield of worthy movies. A casual viewer can list ten(or even more) good works in any given year, but the great films are few and far between. In most years, there are maybe one to three films of greatness. There are also dry spells, bereft of not even one great film...
  • I’m a fan of Mel Gibson but not because of his acting and directing. Passion of the Christ does not feel like a film… more like a documentary or livestream. The style is post-modern cinematic, which is not what you want when trying to portray a very different time and place. Dry and has no atmosphere.

    I’ve not watched most films in this list, I’m just not a bookworm or a filmworm, but the early Bond films are a glaring ommission rightly pointed out by other commentors. The Great Escape (1963) is a bit cliche but a classic worthy of mention, as is Grease (1978) even if it’s a musical.

    Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls? You must be on crystal meth to include this.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    @Thomas Zaja


    I’m a fan of Mel Gibson but not because of his acting and directing.
     
    Then why are you a fan, curious minds want to know. Are you a close personal friend?

    The Passion of the Christ does not feel like a film… more like a documentary or livestream.

    The art in that film (except for an actor vaguely resembling Marilyn Manson as Satan in the early scenes) is so well done, it is perfect. The Pope at the time, Benedictus XVI, watched it and said 'It is as it was.' Vatican liars soon moved to negate his statement, then to negate him.

    For a Catholic, it has a precise and well-done Stations of the Cross.

    For any Christian, it is a great work of art.

    Some moron, possibly not in this thread, said 'Who is Caravaggio?' He was a great artist, and Gibson brings his work to life on the screen.

    I saw it in Tokyo, on initial cinema release. At a guess, fewer than the national average 2% there were Christian. Most were there just as fans of Mel Gibson.

    It was really moving for most people watching, even the majority of
    non-Christians. Many hiding tears when leaving.

    Replies: @Priss Factor

  • In an amusing display of British pride and solipsism, the venerable Times of London once ran the headline "Fog in Channel - Continent Cut Off." Overly arrogant individuals sometimes find it difficult to recognize that they are not the center of the universe, and that instead they might actually be considerably less large and powerful...
  • Can we get sanctions against Chinese restaurants IN THE WEST?

    One in Spain recently caught serving pigeon meat.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14586871/Chinese-restaurant-shut-roast-duck-dead-street-pigeons.html

    Fox News and CIA propaganda strikes again!

  • See also: What race(s) are Ukrainians? — From tall timbers to the Pontic Steppe When Soviet Russia and Finland agreed to properly define their border in 1920, so the story goes, an old man whose remote cabin sat squarely on the proposed line of demarcation was asked which country he’d rather be a part of....
  • Nitpicker patrol — Assemble!

    • Replies: @emil nikola richard
    @Thomas Zaja


    The Cossack name is almost certainly cognate with the Khazar of old and the Kazakh of the present, but since names can diversify over time, along with their meanings, linguists choose their own adventure.
     
    I have known people from Kazakhstan tell me the latter is false. I don't believe them but I would be interested in seeing what others have written. It sounds almost nearly exactly identically the same.

    Replies: @Che Guava

    , @John Dael
    @Thomas Zaja

    Today's converted Jews are NOT remotely descendants of Abraham, hence NOT the semitic chosen People and NOT the Israelites of the bible and NOT the inheritors of the land of Palestine.

    The Ashkenazis (aka Turkic people) are Eurasians and the Sephardim (aka Mizrahi) are Iranians:

    http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/07/14/are-jews-the-israelites-of-the-bible/

    http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2014/09/10/a-brief-history-of-the-kingdoms-of-israel-and-judah/

    Replies: @Pierre de Craon, @Pop Warner

  • @silviosilver

    Consider the archetype of a Mikhail Tal, the Klitschko brothers, Glenn Greenwald or Konstantin Kisin — which I can only describe as a frog-like physiognomy.
     
    Those physiognomies are a dime a dozen in the Balkans. That's not a call to love them (perish the thought), only to point out that they're hardly unique to 'Khazarians,' and that the principles (such as they are) that you have attempted to elucidate in this, if I may say, rather discursive essay consequently apply to lands well beyond the boundaries of 'Khazaria.'

    My final piece in this series will make a deeper foray into the onomastics and HBD of the contemporary Ukrainian population, including prominent members of its large diaspora.
     
    I await it with bated breath, for perhaps then the point of this exercise will finally reveal itself to me.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja, @Sonja

    Congratulations on discovering gene flow. You have correctly identified a common link with Balkan South Slavs … now you have to think about whether the Khazars and kin are the ones who spread it. The addition of the Konstantin photograph was not my decision, but that of the editor of TOO, as I wanted to focus on Greenwald, who is the ultimate Khazarian archetype — what is nowhere to be found in the Balkans. As I mentioned, Ashkenazis are heterogeneous and Khazar empire ended 1,000 years ago. Your quibblesome observations are what go beyond the boundaries.

    My writing style packs a punch and I cover a lot of ground without much waffle. What you call “discursive.” At what stage of reading the entire 3,000 word article did you realize that it wasn’t your thing, that you couldn’t see the point of it, and that you wanted your money back? Enough readers are able to find meaning in my writing for me to discard your self-pitying sarcasm.

    I explained in the first piece in this series what the inspiration was to examining Ukrainian identity, but in any case there’s a lot of variety here on Unz, perhaps you can go read about Israel v Palestine for the millionth time with Mr Giraldi, or, be swept up in the contemporary erudition of Mr Anglin.

    Not everything has to be a political bunga-bunga party for your sensibilities.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Thomas Zaja

    Rise above.

    Replies: @Pierre de Craon

    , @Odyssey
    @Thomas Zaja

    South Slavs?
    Mainstream claims that some Slavs (the term did not yet exist) migrated to the Balkans in the 7th century from an unknown location (one version mentions swamps in Ukraine).
    Who were these South Slavs in the 7th century who migrated to the Balkans (or were they even the original inhabitants of the Balkans) and what language did they speak?

    Replies: @Bert

  • @Mike_from_Russia
    From the roof of the Dnepropetrovsk synagogue, Jews are already openly singing that Ukraine is their land."Independent" Ukraine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWUzPXMUAFg

    Replies: @ariadna, @QCIC, @Thomas Zaja, @wlindsaywheeler

    Interesting music video… Fiddlers on the Roof — Khazar edition.

    My understanding of the song is that it is an homage to Israel, while claiming Ukraine is their home too… a standard neocon anthem of sorts. Released in 2020…

    • Replies: @Mike_from_Russia
    @Thomas Zaja

    When Jews wave their hands around and declare that this is all our property, which we will always own, or at least be able to sell it all, it looks like arrogance.
    The content of the song is very interesting to review.

  • This is the third of four reports on Germany in crisis. Part 1 of this series is here and Part 2 here. BERLIN— I return briefly to those singular moments when Olaf Scholz stood next to President Joe Biden at a press conference on Feb. 7, 2022, after concluding private talks in the Oval Office....
  • Gerhard Schroeder was the last leader who you could consider to not be submissive. These dissident parties in Europe just seem so sluggish and frankly too little too late.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Thomas Zaja

    The word “emasculated” comes to mind. However, at that press conference what could Olaf really say that wouldn’t have ignited a firestorm? “Hey, this guy is senile and has no clue as to what he’s saying, because if he did he wouldn’t be saying it live on TV!”… I don’t think the common person understood how far gone Biden really was, no doubt world leaders like Olaf knew about 30 seconds after talking with him, which makes the whole situation even worse I suppose, as you know you’re being ruled over by a man with dementia and shadow puppet masters pulling the strings. The German people and their politicians have been cucked into oblivion and the result is what we see now.

    -Rooster

    Replies: @Liosnagcat

    , @Commentator Mike
    @Thomas Zaja


    Gerhard Schroeder was the last leader who you could consider to not be submissive.
     
    That scumbag led the charge to break up Yugoslavia and bomb Serbia. Then he is Putin's good friend.

    Replies: @chris

  • See also: What race(s) are Ukrainians? — From tall timbers to the Pontic Steppe When Soviet Russia and Finland agreed to properly define their border in 1920, so the story goes, an old man whose remote cabin sat squarely on the proposed line of demarcation was asked which country he’d rather be a part of....
  • @ariadna
    Nitpicking suggestion:
    the title should be Slava Khazarii because "slava" ("glory to) requires the dative case for 'Khazaria,' as it does, for exmaple in 'Slava Rossii.'

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    Fair point, though I think that using Slavic grammar is overkill in this case and would be confusing / interfere with the satirical nature of the slogan for English speakers

    • Thanks: James of Africa
    • Replies: @ariadna
    @Thomas Zaja

    "using Slavic grammar is overkill in this case and would be confusing / interfere with the satirical nature of the slogan for English speakers"

    "satirical nature"??????? You're like the kid who falls and says he meant to go down

    Replies: @Sonja

  • @Thomas Zaja
    @silviosilver

    Congratulations on discovering gene flow. You have correctly identified a common link with Balkan South Slavs ... now you have to think about whether the Khazars and kin are the ones who spread it. The addition of the Konstantin photograph was not my decision, but that of the editor of TOO, as I wanted to focus on Greenwald, who is the ultimate Khazarian archetype -- what is nowhere to be found in the Balkans. As I mentioned, Ashkenazis are heterogeneous and Khazar empire ended 1,000 years ago. Your quibblesome observations are what go beyond the boundaries.

    My writing style packs a punch and I cover a lot of ground without much waffle. What you call "discursive." At what stage of reading the entire 3,000 word article did you realize that it wasn't your thing, that you couldn't see the point of it, and that you wanted your money back? Enough readers are able to find meaning in my writing for me to discard your self-pitying sarcasm.

    I explained in the first piece in this series what the inspiration was to examining Ukrainian identity, but in any case there's a lot of variety here on Unz, perhaps you can go read about Israel v Palestine for the millionth time with Mr Giraldi, or, be swept up in the contemporary erudition of Mr Anglin.

    Not everything has to be a political bunga-bunga party for your sensibilities.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Odyssey

    Rise above.

    • LOL: Thomas Zaja
    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
    @QCIC


    Rise above.
     
    Sound advice, especially in light of the laudably scholarly tone of the author's essay.

    Whatever one's disagreements, however many or few they are, and whether politely or rudely voiced, Mr. Zaja's article constitutes, I think, a remarkable piece of research and exposition. I congratulate and thank him sincerely.
  • @QCIC
    @Thomas Zaja

    Rise above.

    Replies: @Pierre de Craon

    Rise above.

    Sound advice, especially in light of the laudably scholarly tone of the author’s essay.

    Whatever one’s disagreements, however many or few they are, and whether politely or rudely voiced, Mr. Zaja’s article constitutes, I think, a remarkable piece of research and exposition. I congratulate and thank him sincerely.

    • Agree: wlindsaywheeler
    • Thanks: Thomas Zaja
  • When you hear the name of the country “China”, what is your immediate reaction? It’s an authoritarian, aggressive state that oppresses its citizens, perhaps. If so, you are responding with a knee-jerk, ill-informed reaction, not really your fault, it’s the diet you have been fed, and the purpose of this article is first to try...
  • This account provides some decent attention to the drawbacks of Chinese culture but was still quite biased. And Mr Unz is part of this bias, as he is not going out looking for experts and material to post from the other side of the argument. Rather indicative of selection bias and confirmation bias.

    If the author considers the 1950 annexation of Tibet to be an invasion, and other disputes as mere “border arguments” – where does Uyghuristan fit on this scale? Sinophiles keep citing the population growth of Uyghurs from 1975 to 2015… and? Those days are over. We never hear why the birthrate has plummeted since, well below China’s average, or why the Chinese government is providing cash incentives to miscegenate the Uyghurs out of existence. I am flummoxed that people think it is a valid argument to cite some obviously fake and tokenistic diorama of social relations as the “Splendid China Folk Village” exhibit. Reminds me of those who say Christianity is unmolested in China because there are some officially designated cathedrals open for inspection. Why are there so many “underground” churches? Can I finally get a response on whether portraits of Jesus are banned in people’s homes and the Ten Commandments forcibly replaced with quotes from Xi?

    The Palestine T-shirt anecdote is pretty irrelevant outside of perhaps some US universities. The real test in China would be if you could wear anything to do with Tibet, Taiwan or Uyghuristan. And China uses its leverage well beyond its borders to bully and intimidate those sympathetic to these causes, including Western governments, being the insecure behemoth it is.

    For 13,500 words I think the author could have dedicated more attention to settling some of the more contentious issues that reach Western audiences. Can the author confirm whether kitchen knives in people’s homes have been tied to the counter top? Genuinely curious. Also no mention of China’s notorious culture of fakery and imitation. How much of the content of the China Fakes Everything guy (David Zhang) is accurate? It’s not just merchandise, it’s food and people themselves. The BBC recently ran a story on plastic surgery… it’s getting completely out of control. Check out this Chinese-operated hotel in Thailand marketing a fake balcony as a sea-view: https://www.tiktok.com/@enjoy991991/video/7418158765674892564… just incredible. The issue I am always harping on about is food. There really is no parallel. Dyed citrus, meat pumped with rancid pond water, the opium scandal which hundreds of restaurants got in on, gutter oil recycling, counterfeiting meat… earlier this month a Chinese restaurant in SPAIN was shut down because they were using pigeon meat. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14586871/Chinese-restaurant-shut-roast-duck-dead-street-pigeons.html

    Hasn’t virtually every case of espionage in the last decade involved a Chinese-American? Total liability in high-tech and military. No mention of why China ignores intellectual property completely. But this low-trust dishonesty is ultimately an endemic trait and related to a classically Chinese selfishness. That anecdote about the man trying to end his life by crashing into some strangers… why am I not surprised. It’s almost like there’s an abnormally lower ability in theory of mind. The wallet-return study is something people may want to look into also… China ranked dead last. As for the author’s anecdote about he and is wife’s usage of those food delivery couriers, in spite of being very well off and her previously having a tough life, it was recounted without much empathy at all. I despise people who overuse this service staffed of underpaid street butlers. Well at least they aren’t importing them from the third world. The author talks about how workers’ conditions and living standards are now good. That would be a welcome change from those electronics factories who installed suicide nets around their premises.

    While China has done a lot to modernize technologically, and humanize culturally, I am left wondering actually how much of that too is just copying the West. It certainly didn’t come intrinsically. There is an aspect of extreme competitiveness, jealousy and inferiority complex that makes me wonder what China would be like if they weren’t concerned about their image abroad, international gossip, and trying to be #1 at everything…

    • Replies: @Walt King
    @Thomas Zaja

    Can the author confirm whether kitchen knives in people’s homes have been tied to the counter top?
    I really have no idea what you are talking about.


    No mention of why China ignores intellectual property completely.
    Our company has obtained several patents in China. The latest one was quite a struggle but eventually we persuaded the examiners of its validity.

    There is an aspect of extreme competitiveness, jealousy and inferiority complex that makes me wonder what China would be like if they weren’t concerned about their image abroad,
    In my experience. the Chinese are totally unconcerned. But I just live there are know Chinese people.

  • A few things I left off:

    Public restrooms are filthy. The men’s restrooms always have piss all over the floor as the Chinamen refuse to stand close enough the urinals. Some are latrines where you collectively squat over a trench. There can be no water in the trench so everyone’s shit just piles up, smelling to high heaven until some poor soul comes to clean it out. This even exists in the old Hutaung neighborhoods in Beijing and is not just rural. I have seen it.

    The air is terribly polluted outside the major showcase Potemkin Village cities. I have see it and breathed it.

    People drive without regard for other human beings and the roads are thus dangerous. I have seen it.

    There is practically no wildlife left in the country as they destroy, pollute and eat everything. I have seen it.

    I probably left off a few things again.

    • Thanks: Half Norwegian
    • Replies: @JR Foley
    @craicaassmofo

    Dead Wrong--come here and I will take you to public washrooms along main street or truck stops where you could virtually eat your meal off the floor --spotlessly clean, odor free and yes--an attendant working 24/7 whose job is to keep this place spotless......

    Replies: @littlereddot, @craicaassmofo

  • An English couple, an American couple and a Ukrainian couple were dining in a high-end restaurant. The Englishman asks his wife: “Could you pass me the honey, honey?” A little later, the American asks his wife: “Could you pass me the sugar, sugar?” Upon seeing this, the Ukrainian says to his wife: “Pass me the...
  • @Odyssey
    It is unclear to me why the author insists on writing about Ukraine when he knows very little about it. Maybe because he himself belongs to an artificial nation like the Ukrainians, who try to backdate events and find themselves in antiquity.

    What does it matter to write about names in the context of Ukrainian languages ​​that never existed. Ukrainians do not even have their own name, and this was created by the Serbs of the Borderland (Ukraine = Borderland) who received uninhabited land in present-day Ukraine from the Russian Empress.

    What does it matter to write about many Jews and Ukrainians? Jews are Jews and Ukrainians are Ukrainians (i.e. Russians). Or maybe they are not? Maybe Ron can say something since he also has origins there. The confusion is the result of not knowing who the Ashkenazi are, where their language originates from, who the Ukrainians are, where their (and also the Russian) language originates from, etc.

    Only when this series of names is listed does the absurdity of the various mainstream theories (including the origin of the Ashkenazi) become apparent. Can Ron find someone competent to try to untangle this knot, or is it perhaps best to try to do it himself by correcting the errors in his own Punic hypothesis?

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja, @anon

    It was Kevin who added the word “Jewish” several times in the article. Obviously it’s overkill and I didn’t want that but he has executive privilege without consultation. In fact this article was submitted as a draft copy and he went ahead and published it unilaterally.

    You have a lot to say about who “knows very little.” From your profile, you have written 3,629 comments but zero articles. Why is that?

    • Thanks: Odyssey
    • Replies: @Brooklyn Dave
    @Thomas Zaja

    Yes, going on about Ukrainian-JEWS was totally unnecessary -I would even as overkill. Jews never identify as either Ukrainians or Russians (only if born there). They are just Jews who happened to be born in a place caled Russia or Ukraine --that's it. They do not share in the ethnos of Ukrainians, Russian nor even Poles. Otherwise an interesting article. It is true that Ukrainian identity has been buoyed largely by the Ukrainian Diaspora. I live in a Ukrainian neighborhood --or what's left of it. These folks, even the American born, eat, breath & fart in Ukrainian. A large percentage go to Ukrainian parochial schools, belong to youth organizations such as PLAST & SUM, are very proficient iu the Ukrainian language and other cultural expressions such as dancing. It is not uncommon for them to have disdain for Russians (even before 2014) and Poles (the immigrant generation). After this war is over, will what is left of Ukraine or Ukrainians have the stamina or even the capability to continue on as an ethnos. Some would argue that Ukrainiaans (& Belarussians) are just part of the largre family of RUS, In certain ways this is true, in others it is not. Regionalism definitely has a part to play - as you mentioned with the Rusyn. I have always been against this war -the roots of it, its instigation by Western powers, and knowing that it would be pure suicide on part of the Ukrainian people as they shouted Slava Ukraina all over the place.

    , @Odyssey
    @Thomas Zaja

    The fact is that you still don't know things from the very beginning, and that is very important. Because, no Ukrainians existed until recently and nations and languages ​​cannot arise overnight.

    For example, it takes several thousand years for a language to develop organically from a proto-language unless it arose recently by separating from some other language. The so-called Ukrainian and Russian are almost identical, which means that they were one language. It is similar with the so-called Croatian and Serbian languages (not to mention the so-called Bosnian, Montenegrin and Macedonian political languages). A nation must have some prerogatives in order to exist (separate history, culture, language, very often genetics and mythology, etc.). Neither Ukrainians nor Croats have that.

    It is a good question why there are no articles of mine, but it is not essential. Almost every comment of mine has something in it that almost no one or hardly anyone knows (you probably already saw under your previous article). That's why I try to open the eyes of readers with an open mind instead of chewing over some topics for the hundredth time. There are personal reasons (e.g. busyness and others) but also the unwillingness or lack of courage or knowledge of the editors to open some topics and discuss them openly, so hardly anything gets through the narrow pipe in the comments.

    One of those topics is precisely the origin of the Ashkenazim (92% of the total number of Jews before WW2) even though it has an impact on almost the entire world and there are unlimited resources for its clarification (even the Jews themselves do not know the meaning of the derogatory word - kike).

    That's why here, for the umpteenth time, we have a mention that Jews (100%) are converted Khazars, but there is no attempt from the top to archive this illogicality once and for all (or at least to invite the author of OH [Odyssey Hypothesis] to present his theory and explain the Penelope Paradox.

    Of course, there are many other topics related to, for example, the period of the Roman Empire, the beginnings of early Christianity, the separation of the Catholic mafia sect from the mother church and Christianity, etc. I am critical of everyone (mostly of myself), but I also recognize good thoughts, and that applies to you too.

    Replies: @Anti-Talmud Former Rabbi

    , @Anon001
    @Thomas Zaja


    It was Kevin ...
     

    ... I didn’t want that but he has executive privilege without consultation.
     
    What kind of relationship is this? Is Kevin a good master of yours? LOL

    Do you have to bow down before Kevin and say some Islamic prayers before you submit an article, that he then butchers to fit his Jihad agenda? LOL

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    BTW, Kevin, aka shaytan's servant, supports NATO (aka Joint Criminal Enterprise) when targets are non-Muslims, like Orthodox Christian Serbs or Armenians or even Ukrainians as cannon fodder. Most authors on TUR cry bloody murder when Muslims are killed, but when non-Muslims are the targets, especially when Islam/Jihad benefits from it as in territory theft like Occupied Kosovo or Bosnia, most of those authors suddenly either support NATO or just do not comment.

    When was the last time you heard these people mention how many Armenians were murdered in the Nagorno-Karabakh region by Azeri Muslims or the genocide Armenians suffered by the Turks or how many Ukrainians have died, but they just could not shut up about even one Muslim being killed.

    For the details on this non-Muslims-as-ok-targets approach in their articles, please see my comments [1][2][3] talking about Philip Giraldi, shaytan's servant Kevin Barrett, NATO-when-killing-Christians supporters like Jonathan Cook, Steve Sailer, and many other unfortunate TUR authors, including half-Albanian Eric Margolis. [1][2][3].

    That of course includes Chris Hedges first and foremost, who publicly admitted accompanying Muslim Albanians/Shqiptars terrorists while they were invading Serbia by crossing the border into Serbia's Province of Kosovo from Albania [5]. Quote from [5]: "I was in their sights traveling from northern Albania into Kosovo with 600 fighters from the Kosovo Liberation Army." At the time, he wrote propaganda pieces for the NYT, and as such, is part of the MSM criminal gang.

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    [1] Comment #9 under Washington Loves War Criminals by Philip Giraldi – The Unz Review
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/washington-loves-war-criminals/?showcomments#comment-6030467

    [2] Comment # 169 under How Fascism Came by Chris Hedges - The Unz Review
    https://www.unz.com/article/how-fascism-came/?showcomments#comment-6918157

    [3] Comment # 168 under Soldiers in Women’s Clothing by Kevin Barrett - The Unz Review
    https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/israeli-soldiers-in-womens-clothing-whats-wrong-with-these-people/?showcomments#comment-6846433

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    [4] Comment # 7 under American Pravda: Major Mysteries of the 1990s, by Ron Unz - The Unz Review
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-major-mysteries-of-the-1990s/?showcomments#comment-5702196

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    [5] On the Precipice of Darkness, by Chris Hedges - The Unz Review
    https://www.unz.com/article/on-the-precipice-of-darkness

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    850+ Anon001 Comments Archive @ The Unz Review | TUR
    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=anon001
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  • Ten days ago a sudden surprise Israeli attack inflicted a terrible, decapitating blow upon the leadership of the Islamic Republic of Iran, successfully assassinating the country's top military commanders, its chief nuclear weapons negotiator, and nearly all of its most prominent nuclear scientists. Many of these victims were killed in their own homes together with...
  • 10:54 What accent pronounces “analyst” that way? Fascinating.

  • A few weeks ago I published an article noting that the State of Israel and the Zionist movement that gave rise to it have probably employed assassination as a tool of statecraft more heavily than any other political entity in recorded history. Indeed, their deadly activities had easily eclipsed those of the notorious Muslim sect...
  • @Brás Cubas
    I provide (under the 'more' tag) the full paragraph of David Irving's Hitler's War which was the source for the allegation (which I'm not questioning) that Hitler refused to allow assassinations of foreign leaders. One thing that pops right out of it is that Unz's claim that political assassinations were very uncommon until recently is not backed by Irving, who says the exact opposite and cites an assortment of people "from General Sikorski, Admiral Darlan, Field Marshal Rommel, and King Boris of Bulgaria to Fidel Castro, Patrice Lumumba, and Salvador Allende" as counter-examples.
    Also, it's worth pointing out that Irving does not claim that Hitler was a civilized person. He labels him as complex, pointing out, among other cruel acts, that "in 1942 he announced that the male populations of Stalingrad and Leningrad were to be exterminated".
    When someone seems "complex", perhaps one should look for alternative motives or reasons for his behaviors. Why would Hitler refuse to use methods which could increase the probability of victory, while allowing even more horrendous acts which did little or nothing to increase such probability?
    And what about the 'Nero Decree' (fortunately not enacted), which ordered Germany's infrastructure to be destroyed when victory seemed impossible? That could only be issued by someone who was either deeply mentally deranged or perhaps something else which would fall into conspiracy theory territory.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero_Decree

    The sheer complexity of that character is evident from a comparison of his brutality in some respects with his almost maudlin sentimentality and stubborn adherence to military conventions that others had long abandoned. We find him cold bloodedly ordering a hundred hostages executed for every German occupation soldier killed; dictating the massacre of Italian officers who had turned their weapons against German troops in 1943; ordering the liquidation of Red Army commissars, Allied commando troops, and captured Allied aircrews; in 1942 he announced that the male populations of Stalingrad and Leningrad were to be exterminated. He justified all these orders by the expediencies of war. Yet the same Hitler indignantly exclaimed, in the last week of his life, that Soviet tanks were flying the Nazi swastika as a ruse during street fighting in Berlin, and he flatly forbade his Wehrmacht to violate flag rules. He had opposed every suggestion for the use of poison gases, as that would violate the Geneva Protocol; at that time Germany alone had manufactured the potentially war winning lethal nerve gases Sarin and Tabun. In an age in which the governments of the democracies attempted, engineered, or condoned the assassinations, successfully or otherwise, of the inconvenient[1] – from General Sikorski, Admiral Darlan, Field Marshal Rommel, and King Boris of Bulgaria to Fidel Castro, Patrice Lumumba, and Salvador Allende – we learn that Hitler, the world’s most unscrupulous dictator, not only never resorted to the assassination of foreign opponents but flatly forbade his Abwehr to attempt it. In particular he rejected Admiral Canaris’s plans to assassinate the Red Army General Staff.
     
    Irving, David. Hitler's War
    https://www.unz.com/book/david_irving__hitlers-war/#introduction

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja, @Petermx, @Lackadaisical Reader, @Patrick McNally

    Pretty sure Hitler’s opposition to political assassination was a principle of self-interest…

  • The on-again off-again meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin is set to take place in Alaska this Friday. This formerly Russian possession is a most symbolic setting if indeed territorial exchanges are to be discussed. The form guide, however, suggests that it will be mostly a publicity stunt — a summit of mutually unrealistic...
  • A few hours away…

    Will Putin be fashionably late as he often is?

    Will Trump try one of his famous hand jerks?

    A snowflake’s chance in the Alaskan summer.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
    @Thomas Zaja

    trump is the master of the hand job jerk, having majored in it at penn. putin should stick his hand out first, when trump reaches out, putin should pull his hand back and over his head, giving him a nyuk, nyuk, nyuk. then he should reach out and to shake his hand with both hands, while positioning himself in his most stable judo stance.

  • @Commentator Mike
    The peace press conference.

    https://youtu.be/mAJiRd-MehE?si=CkyQQp1ESVVnvJuN

    I'd suggest the next meeting to be in Vladivostok rather than Moscow.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    Vladivostok is more than 10,400 km from Washington D.C., very far from Moscow and has no historical link to the West.

    St. Petersburg makes most sense, maybe Kaliningrad.

    • Replies: @NPP
    @Thomas Zaja


    no historical link to the West
     
    Except for the Siberian Intervention that resulted from World War I and the October Revolution. The US Army were among the occupiers in Vladivostok, mainly to secure American business interests in the region and help to extract local resources.
    , @Commentator Mike
    @Thomas Zaja


    Vladivostok is more than 10,400 km from Washington D.C., very far from Moscow and has no historical link to the West.
     
    Vladivostok is opposite Anchorage across the ocean. The fact that it is far from the West means that it is secure from the meddling of the usual suspects that would like to see both Putin and Trump dead. I would advise Vladivostok for the Trump and Putin meeting on Russian soil. Any meetings of the two with Zelensky would have to be in a third country like Turkey or UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc.
  • @MUPH
    "...2028 Ozempic Games..." . Is someone trying to lose weight?

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    Think celebrities of Hollywood / L.A.

  • The following are excerpts from an interview with Bob Carr, former Australian premier for New South Wales—the largest state in Australia and home of that nation’s largest city, Sydney. Carr, 77, served as premier from 1995 to 2005, and then later as Foreign Minister (2012–2013). He is a member of the Labor Party, which leans...
  • @Odyssey
    Thomas Dalton aka David Skrbina is an Australian? Fair Dinkum.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja, @J, @anon

    No, he isn’t.

    • Replies: @Odyssey
    @Thomas Zaja

    Ultimately, it doesn't matter, what matters is the content of the text. Someone wrote earlier that TD and DS are the same person. I'm interested in this for a different reason. I think the text must have been written by someone who is Australian and who knows about dingo farting. Now we have the appearance of the eponymous TZ (=TD? King Thomas-es?) who seems to be part of the previous story.

    Replies: @James J. O'Meara

  • @James J. O'Meara
    @Odyssey

    Only an illiterate would think the writings of Dalton and Skrbina were produced by the same person.

    Not only does it not matter, but every minute you fool someone into thinking about it, is a minute not devoted to addressing the Jewish meanace.

    Right, Col. Schlomo?

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja, @Odyssey

    Dalton and Skrbina are the same person, not exactly a secret. He lost his job at the University of Helsinki because of this. He is American born, surname is of Croatian or Slovene origin, possibly written “Škrbina”

    • Replies: @Fourth Horseman
    @Thomas Zaja

    Actually, I heard it was more like an unpaid internship that expired without renewal. Hardly a "job" to lose.

    Not sure what this has to do with the Australian Jewish Lobby, tho.

    , @Common Time
    @Thomas Zaja

    If David Skrbina is Thomas D., then
    Thomas Zaja= Odyssey

    Replies: @Odyssey

  • Anon[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @gaze
    @Australia Infelix

    Stop claiming to be superior. Go back to your cesspit in Britain or Ireland. You decimated an entire continent with its native inhabitants.

    Replies: @anonymous, @Australia Infelix, @Anon, @Bombercommand, @William Gruff

    re: “Go back to your cesspit in Britain or Ireland.” Reply: The most bonafide Australians are of 3 to 7 generations in Australia. Even if they are of 100% British Irish heritage they cannot qualify for citizenship in Britain or Ireland as those nations require you have a parent or grandparent born in those nations. So it is silly to say what you say. The people with 3 to 7 generations of ancestry in Australia are “native inhabitants”. It was their British Irish ancestors who built the nation to become one of the most peaceful prosperous societies that has ever existed. And tens of millions of people know that and seek to make Australia their home.

    re: “You decimated an entire continent with its native inhabitants.” Firstly, there are more people alive now who claim to be “First Nation” than there were in 1788. Every one of them, like every Australian, exists because history was exactly as it was. British settlement altered the timeline so that specific ancestors met and mated when they did and raised children who did likewise. If the British had not settled and created “Australia” then none of the current people would exist. Every “First Nation” Aboriginal person in Australia who has existed since about 1810 owes their ancestral lineage and birth to British settlement. It is dim-witted for anyone to complain about historical occurrences that led to their existence.

    As for “You decimated an entire continent” yes a great deal of the Australian landscape was damaged by the mass logging of forests, after British settlement. Industrial scale agriculture has damaged a great deal of the land. Just like humans have been doing and are doing all over the planet: in Africa, throughout Asia and of course Europe and the Americas.
    In case you did not know: the prior waves of human settlement, whom you refer to as “native inhabitants”, they similarly “decimated” what existed prior. The Aboriginal people changed a great amount of the forested country to grassland through frequent mass burnings of landscapes. The Aboriginals decimated the mega fauna, the numerous large animals, by changing the landscape so much and by hunting and eating them to extinction. Just as the Maori did in a short time in New Zealand. Those races exploited and decimated the environment to their full IQ potential. So it is like racist cherry-picking of you to single out Europeans, the British and Irish of 100-240 years ago who arrived in Australia, when it is well-known that people of perhaps all races have decimated large areas that they inhabited. Indeed those with higher IQ, with technology that deploys leverage, they can cause more damage to environments in a short period of time. If the Aboriginals had higher IQs and technology they would have decimated a great deal more than they could.

    • Agree: Thomas Zaja, peterAUS
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    • Replies: @peterAUS
    @Anon

    What's your take on this:
    Quick AI summary


    ....Aborigines.....act as guardians by managing their traditional lands and waters through community-based programs that combine traditional teachings with modern environmental stewardship. These guardians monitor wildlife, implement land management plans, revitalize cultural practices, and protect heritage sites, often as part of formal programs supported by government funding. This approach centers Indigenous leadership and knowledge in conservation and land management, which in turn creates employment and supports community well-being. ....
     
    I know we live in the Clown World but this is something even there.
    What's going on, and why?

    Replies: @Felpudinho, @mulga mumblebrain

  • I don't spend any time on social media nor do I have any interest in the mainstream conservative movement, so I'd only been very slightly aware of Charlie Kirk prior to his sudden assassination on Wednesday, shot dead at the age of 31 by a sniper while speaking at the University of Utah Utah Valley...
  • @AnonUnz
    I think Spencer Quinn said it best. Let's exploit Kirk's name as the right wings MLK and invoke his memory in the name of nationalist/populist limited government cause. Kirk was far from perfect, but it's fair game

    Replies: @gaze, @Thomas Zaja, @DigitalSamizdat, @notbe mk 2, @Steve in Dallas, @anon, @niteranger, @obwandiyag

    And Iryna Zarutska as the right wing’s Rosa Parks?

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  • To understand how Israel has gained a near-total control over the American ruling class today, we must understand Israel of course, but we must also study the principles by which any ruling class operates. The perfect book for that is The Ruling Class, by Italian political scientist Gaetano Mosca (1858–1941). Mosca begins by establishing the...
  • The Huns very likely spoke a Turkic language originally. Following their defeat at the Battle of Nedao c. 454 they became Avars and Bolgars (Dulo clan).

  • News from the small German town of Herdecke this past week has sent cognitive dissonances into overdrive after jousting reports finally settled on what many had dreaded. The stabbing of newly elected mayor Iris Stalzer was perpetrated by her own children (daughter, 17 and son, 15), who were adopted from Mali and Haiti respectively. In...
  • @QCIC
    What about Iris's husband? I expect this story to get worse if more details come to light.

    Maybe she bought the kids from the Clinton Foundation.

    Replies: @Thomas Faber, @Thomas Zaja

    Ms Stalzer apparently has a husband who was away on a business trip at the time, though his identity is not known.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Thomas Zaja

    The kids probably got him (or her?) first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDSeBGjidag

    , @Brooklyn Dave
    @Thomas Zaja

    I wonder if they were unable to have children of their own or were so over-wrought with white guilt that they needed to adopt some black babies from Africa and Haiti.? This is the way these kind of people think. If they were not able to have their own children, I'm wondering if they could find a healthy young German woman to rent her womb for a nice piece of change? Even if they could, they are so woke, so white guilt ridden, so virtue signaling that they would have taken the route that have already taken no matter what.

  • @Gbyut
    Upon seeing the headline I thought, “another nigger crime story” and yawned. Indeed it is just another nigger crime story but also more. It shows how a segment of Whites have no internal mechanism for survival.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja, @Guest Perfect

    Yes, I foresaw that issue, the original headline was just “Kinder Surprise” — unfortunately the editor of the Occidental Observer altered the headline in a way that I do not prefer.

  • @Exile in Paradise

    Germany’s biggest cultural export in this century is probably supermodel Heidi Klum
     

    No, that would be Claudia Schiffer, legions above the low-rent Klum, and who at least maintained pride in her heritage and is known to have been well-raised and well-mannered personally and professionally.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja, @atlantis_dweller

    Claudia Schiffer was more 1990s but yes technically active in both centuries.

    • Replies: @Exile in Paradise
    @Thomas Zaja

    Rather a frivolous point I mentioned, to be sure. Otherwise, thank you for the excellent article.

  • @Liza
    Re that "makeshift blowtorch".

    In addition to multiple stab wounds, Stalzer reportedly suffered burns from deodorant spray that was ignited with a lighter.


    (From Hungarian Conservative.)

    I wonder whose idea it was to describe that silly weapon as a "blowtorch".

    In any case, I am amazed that the woman survived the attack. Burned repeatedly + 13 stabs.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja, @anon

    I am guilty of the hyperbole.

    • Thanks: Liza
  • @Solutions
    @xcd

    Agreed. Unfortunately most kids up for adoption are damaged goods, how can they not be.
    Add race mixing to the equation and the opportunity for social adjustment problems multiply.
    Adopted babies when grown have to deal with abandonment issues, regardless of the love and benefits they may receive from their adoptive parents compared to their failed natural parents whom most will never even meet.

    Replies: @littlereddot, @Thomas Zaja, @anonymouseperson

    Regarding some of the nature vs nurture comments on adoption, people should remember that there is a large selection bias. i.e. Children who are orphaned in modern times are not genetically random or average, but are more likely to carry the genes of low-conscientious and psychopathy which they inherited from their reckless progenitors.

    In older times there was not such a problem with foster children because 1) They were genetically more similar to foster parents, and 2) Their parents typically died in wars / famines / diseases, not because they were R-selected “spray and pray” types.

    • Replies: @Solutions
    @Thomas Zaja

    Agree. Also in older times children would be adopted or taken in by the extended family if possible.

    Then adoption became just another business enterprise. Like here in the USA, a by product of a certain demographic's lifestyle choice - as in baby momma syndrome - supply and demand I guess.

  • @Tarnhari
    "Chancellor Friedrich Merz like predecessor Merkel has Polish ancestry"

    ???

    His father Joachim Merz was from Breslau, which is now Polish but was German until 1945.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    “Chancellor Friedrich Merz like predecessor Merkel has Polish ancestry”

    ???

    His father Joachim Merz was from Breslau, which is now Polish but was German until 1945.

    I said “ancestry,” you said “father” – not the same is it? Anything deeper?

    Before Wroclaw was “Breslau” (a bad Germanic corruption of Vratislav) it was part of the Kingdom of Poland and before that it was Bohemian.

    It may be anecdotal, but does this man look to have German or Polish ancestry:

    • Replies: @anonymous123asdbd
    @Thomas Zaja

    Wroclaw had a German community since at least the 11th-12th century. Though I did not do a thorough search (his mother was apparently of French ancestry), if you mean to imply by "anything deeper" his ancestry can be proven to be from some other ethnicity rather than presumed to be of the one he is, you should do it rather than rely on your opinion of what you think he looks like in a photo.

    It sounds like you have confused ethnicity for nation state borders and your superficial feeling (without rational explanation) of whether or not they "look German." No wonder Germany is doomed and the criteria for what it means to be German so easily altered.

    Typical European Christian thought process. I would not be surprised if Germans consider Merz more foreign than the rapefugees. Though anything is to be expected from Germans who have favoured fighting and killing other whites for a millennium in the name of a desert religion, and still celebrate it: they even resisted National Socialist correction of Karl der Große to Karl der Schlächter. Can anyone be surprised they now adopt black and brown children that leave them black and blue? German morality is slave morality, par excellence.

  • @N. Joseph Potts

    no longer able to support the annual 2.15 billion euro subsidy
     
    What subsidy? To whom/what?

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    What subsidy? To whom/what?

    The Max Planck Society gets 2.15 billion euro. That paragraph is confusing because it was altered by the Editor of Occidental Observer who wanted to mention Salter is active in the Anglo-Australia movement. He then forgot to close the paranthetical, and when I told Editor of Unz (who reposts the original), he mistakenly closed the paranthetical on the next sentence.

    • Thanks: N. Joseph Potts
    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
    @Thomas Zaja

    Please change "paranthetical" to "parenthetical". (You used it twice; I fear it may become a habit.) You are not a native anglophone, so I am fully sympathetic to you.

    Also, please do not hate me (as some Visigoths on this site seem to do) for playing the role of "the Little Dutch Boy", standing with his finger in the dyke, vainly trying to hold back the cold North Sea of Creeping Illiteracy from swamping the Tulip Fields of English Orthography. 🌷🌷🌷

    I simply feel that somebody ought to do it.

  • @Leif
    "Chancellor Friedrich Merz like predecessor Merkel has Polish ancestry, "

    - False.

    While Angela Merkel does indeed have one polish grandfather (https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/kanzlerin-merkel-hat-polnische-wurzeln-a-888674.html).

    Friedrich Merz does not have any polish ancestry, his family (as Millions of others, violently expelled in 1945 from their homeland) simply stems from the -then still German- area of Silesia. Simply google "friedrich merz polnische vorfahren" or something to that effect.

    Please more accuracy. Thanks.

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    The history of Wroclaw is mostly Slavic, hence even the Germanic name Breslau is a corruption of Vratislav. While there was a period of German suzerainty, before that it was the Kingdom of Poland and before that it was Bohemia/Czechia. Do you think if we looked at Merz’s entire genealogy we would uncover nothing but German surnames?

    You are talking about identity, I am talking about ancestry — one is categorical the other is pluralistic and a bit more speculative but I think my claim is conservative enough. Be thankful I haven’t yet made claims about the pedigree of East Germany proper and the etymologies of Berlin, Leipzig etc.

    Please less quibbling and more accuracy in comprehension and context.

    • Replies: @Leif
    @Thomas Zaja

    Ok, could of course be that I am the one lacking accuracy/comprehension.
    If we take a short (and just a little obsessive pedantic for fun) test:

    1) You : "The history of Wroclaw is mostly Slavic"

    Leif the Great:

    "The history of Breslau/Schlesien (where Merz`s father came from):

    Area settled by Germanic people since:

    1200 BC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusatian_culture
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomeranian_culture

    First Slavic settlements:

    600 AD

    = The region (+everything west to it, meaning all of today`s Germany, as described by Tacitus as Germania magna) had been Germanic for around 1800 years before the first Slavs arrived.

    In the 12hundreds, after 600 years of Slavic people slowly moving westwards and stopping, the Germanic ones returned, moving eastwards again (and the Slavs retreated):

    Regarding specifically Breslau: following roughly 400 year under Slavic (Czech) Premysliden rule, 4/5 (i.e.80%) of ALL of Breslau`s inhabitants were eradicated by the Mongol-invasion (1220-40)and the city destroyed.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlesien

    The entire region was then re-settled and overtaken by German people, who re-build the city of Breslau (on a location where a German enclave had existed already before and had had an official German mayor -Schultheiss- from 1214 on), under exclusive German Town Law already in 1242 and with German(and Latin-as usual at that time) as its official language.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breslau

    The entire overall region of Bohemia and thus Breslau were/became part of the First German Reich (Holy Roman Empire of German Nation)from 1307/35 on and were exclusively under German rule (except for a short 68 year stint of confused first Czech-which the Breslau inhabitants rebelled against- and then Hungarian/Lithuanian interim succesions from 1458-1526) all the way until 1945 (Habsburg/Meinhardiner/Limburg/Hohenzollern/2nd Reich/Weimar/3rd German Reich), for 555 years in total.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_b%C3%B6hmischen_Herrscher#Herz%C3%B6ge_von_B%C3%B6hmen

    So to sum up:

    Years the area Merz`ancestors came from was inhabited and ruled by German people:

    1200 BC-600 AD = 1800 years
    1307- 1457(-14 years absence of sovereignty 1439-1453)= 136 years
    1526- 1945 = 419

    Total = 2355 years

    Years the area was inhabited and ruled by Slavic people:

    600-1306 (+68 years at least ruled 1458-1526)= Total 774 years
    (= Three times less than the German side)

    And even if leaving out the entire pre 900 AD history, since the first appearance of state-ship and slavic (czech) rule in Breslau:

    Slav:
    875-1306 (+68 years 1458-1526) = total 499 years
    German:
    (1307- 1457 (-14 years absence of sovereignty 1439-1453)= 136 years
    1526- 1945 = 419)
    = total 555 years

    In short: when that area was taken from Germany in 1945 not only had the German people been in that area for more than 1 and a half millennia before the Slavs came, but also since the very first Slavic state/government appeared still ruled it for longer than the Slavs ever had.

    Sorry Thomas, but to sum all these facts up with "It was mostly slavic" and "While there was a period of German suzerainty, before that it was the Kingdom of Poland and before that it was Bohemia/Czechia" , I think the critique of "more accuracy please" still stands.


    2) You: "Do you think if we looked at Merz’s entire genealogy we would uncover nothing but German surnames?"

    LtG: "Regarding the demographics:

    Firstly as said before, not only were unfortunately 80% of Breslau`s entire population erased in the 13 hundreds and then the area resettled by German people, who became the absolute majority, but again in the 1640`s around half of Breslau`s entire (now majority German) population was killed by the plague (22 000 remaining).

    During the following 200 years again its population was stocked up, refilled again by German immigration from the -2nd- German Reich and interestingly we actually have the exact demographic numbers both according to ethnic and lingual groups from the Prussian archives that those movements of people lead to:

    In 1819, Regierungsbezirk (county) Breslau had 833,253 inhabitants: 755,553 Germans (90.1%); 66,500 Poles (7.9%); 3,900 Czechs (1.1%) and 7,300 Jews (0.9%)

    And lingually the majority of German-speakers was even higher (around 96%):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breslau_(region)#Ethnolinguistic_structure

    Again, fact remains, you claim something there which is pure speculation with nothing to back it up, since No, the hard demographic numbers in fact support nothing of your claim that any random person like Merz (i.e. at least 51%) coming from Silesia/Breslau means Slavic ancestry, in fact rather the exact opposit. "

    3) You: "hence even the Germanic name Breslau is a corruption of Vratislav"+"Be thankful I haven’t yet made claims about the pedigree of East Germany proper and the etymologies of Berlin, Leipzig etc"

    LtG: "So let me get this straight- since according to your logic names of places prove who the inhabitants are hundreds of years later:

    - Russians in Königsberg are all half German
    - Slovenes in Maiburg and Ljubljana are half German
    - Germans in Trier and Köln half Italian
    etc.,etc...
    ?

    Interesting theory...Come on, man...
    The above cited history of Germanic versus Slav population movements of all these places and case of Breslau specifically proves this just nonsense.

    As all records show, the Germanic people were there ages before Slavs first came, the latter then happened to be there when written records became more widely used and thus it was their name that was first "officially" written down and stuck. And as they retreated and the former took over the area again they lazily also took over the names and just Germanized them somewhat instead of inventing completely new ones.

    Exactly as the Slovenes and Russians did in above examples and so many other places around the world...
    We have dozens of villages and locations here in Northern-Scandinavia bearing German and Finnish names (stemming from 17th-19th centuries` and temporary settling of peoples of that ethnicity there, before they went back to their countries) and no, that does not mean at all that the inhabitants today there have any German/Finnish blood or those places were "mostly German/Finnish"

    I am sorry, I do not mean this insulting, but I have come across a very sad phenomenon many times when researching this part of history and that is that people -and even scientists especially with Czech and Polish background seem to often go to almost ludicrous length in attempts to skew the simple archeological data to fit their ethnocentric views/justifications and to prevent them from ever having to look at their own country`s behavior as critically as they love to do with Germany.

    They often appear to artificially and dishonestly cut their preferred time-lines from the whole greater context, try to find even remotest pseudo-arguments for why maybe their people-Slavs- could have been further west than records actually show and hide in obscure formulations etc..., something which I find simply sad, because it really hinders any full honest dialogue and in the end true re-conciliation among those different peoples...?

    Am not saying you belong to that group of course, just came to think of that experience somehow..
    Sorry long -and critical- post.

    Forgot to mention that in last comment (and that was socially stupid of me of course come to think of it):

    Your article is overall a good one, good to read informative articles with insider information from Germany, keep up the good work!"

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

  • @Leif
    @Thomas Zaja

    Ok, could of course be that I am the one lacking accuracy/comprehension.
    If we take a short (and just a little obsessive pedantic for fun) test:

    1) You : "The history of Wroclaw is mostly Slavic"

    Leif the Great:

    "The history of Breslau/Schlesien (where Merz`s father came from):

    Area settled by Germanic people since:

    1200 BC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusatian_culture
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomeranian_culture

    First Slavic settlements:

    600 AD

    = The region (+everything west to it, meaning all of today`s Germany, as described by Tacitus as Germania magna) had been Germanic for around 1800 years before the first Slavs arrived.

    In the 12hundreds, after 600 years of Slavic people slowly moving westwards and stopping, the Germanic ones returned, moving eastwards again (and the Slavs retreated):

    Regarding specifically Breslau: following roughly 400 year under Slavic (Czech) Premysliden rule, 4/5 (i.e.80%) of ALL of Breslau`s inhabitants were eradicated by the Mongol-invasion (1220-40)and the city destroyed.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlesien

    The entire region was then re-settled and overtaken by German people, who re-build the city of Breslau (on a location where a German enclave had existed already before and had had an official German mayor -Schultheiss- from 1214 on), under exclusive German Town Law already in 1242 and with German(and Latin-as usual at that time) as its official language.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breslau

    The entire overall region of Bohemia and thus Breslau were/became part of the First German Reich (Holy Roman Empire of German Nation)from 1307/35 on and were exclusively under German rule (except for a short 68 year stint of confused first Czech-which the Breslau inhabitants rebelled against- and then Hungarian/Lithuanian interim succesions from 1458-1526) all the way until 1945 (Habsburg/Meinhardiner/Limburg/Hohenzollern/2nd Reich/Weimar/3rd German Reich), for 555 years in total.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_b%C3%B6hmischen_Herrscher#Herz%C3%B6ge_von_B%C3%B6hmen

    So to sum up:

    Years the area Merz`ancestors came from was inhabited and ruled by German people:

    1200 BC-600 AD = 1800 years
    1307- 1457(-14 years absence of sovereignty 1439-1453)= 136 years
    1526- 1945 = 419

    Total = 2355 years

    Years the area was inhabited and ruled by Slavic people:

    600-1306 (+68 years at least ruled 1458-1526)= Total 774 years
    (= Three times less than the German side)

    And even if leaving out the entire pre 900 AD history, since the first appearance of state-ship and slavic (czech) rule in Breslau:

    Slav:
    875-1306 (+68 years 1458-1526) = total 499 years
    German:
    (1307- 1457 (-14 years absence of sovereignty 1439-1453)= 136 years
    1526- 1945 = 419)
    = total 555 years

    In short: when that area was taken from Germany in 1945 not only had the German people been in that area for more than 1 and a half millennia before the Slavs came, but also since the very first Slavic state/government appeared still ruled it for longer than the Slavs ever had.

    Sorry Thomas, but to sum all these facts up with "It was mostly slavic" and "While there was a period of German suzerainty, before that it was the Kingdom of Poland and before that it was Bohemia/Czechia" , I think the critique of "more accuracy please" still stands.


    2) You: "Do you think if we looked at Merz’s entire genealogy we would uncover nothing but German surnames?"

    LtG: "Regarding the demographics:

    Firstly as said before, not only were unfortunately 80% of Breslau`s entire population erased in the 13 hundreds and then the area resettled by German people, who became the absolute majority, but again in the 1640`s around half of Breslau`s entire (now majority German) population was killed by the plague (22 000 remaining).

    During the following 200 years again its population was stocked up, refilled again by German immigration from the -2nd- German Reich and interestingly we actually have the exact demographic numbers both according to ethnic and lingual groups from the Prussian archives that those movements of people lead to:

    In 1819, Regierungsbezirk (county) Breslau had 833,253 inhabitants: 755,553 Germans (90.1%); 66,500 Poles (7.9%); 3,900 Czechs (1.1%) and 7,300 Jews (0.9%)

    And lingually the majority of German-speakers was even higher (around 96%):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breslau_(region)#Ethnolinguistic_structure

    Again, fact remains, you claim something there which is pure speculation with nothing to back it up, since No, the hard demographic numbers in fact support nothing of your claim that any random person like Merz (i.e. at least 51%) coming from Silesia/Breslau means Slavic ancestry, in fact rather the exact opposit. "

    3) You: "hence even the Germanic name Breslau is a corruption of Vratislav"+"Be thankful I haven’t yet made claims about the pedigree of East Germany proper and the etymologies of Berlin, Leipzig etc"

    LtG: "So let me get this straight- since according to your logic names of places prove who the inhabitants are hundreds of years later:

    - Russians in Königsberg are all half German
    - Slovenes in Maiburg and Ljubljana are half German
    - Germans in Trier and Köln half Italian
    etc.,etc...
    ?

    Interesting theory...Come on, man...
    The above cited history of Germanic versus Slav population movements of all these places and case of Breslau specifically proves this just nonsense.

    As all records show, the Germanic people were there ages before Slavs first came, the latter then happened to be there when written records became more widely used and thus it was their name that was first "officially" written down and stuck. And as they retreated and the former took over the area again they lazily also took over the names and just Germanized them somewhat instead of inventing completely new ones.

    Exactly as the Slovenes and Russians did in above examples and so many other places around the world...
    We have dozens of villages and locations here in Northern-Scandinavia bearing German and Finnish names (stemming from 17th-19th centuries` and temporary settling of peoples of that ethnicity there, before they went back to their countries) and no, that does not mean at all that the inhabitants today there have any German/Finnish blood or those places were "mostly German/Finnish"

    I am sorry, I do not mean this insulting, but I have come across a very sad phenomenon many times when researching this part of history and that is that people -and even scientists especially with Czech and Polish background seem to often go to almost ludicrous length in attempts to skew the simple archeological data to fit their ethnocentric views/justifications and to prevent them from ever having to look at their own country`s behavior as critically as they love to do with Germany.

    They often appear to artificially and dishonestly cut their preferred time-lines from the whole greater context, try to find even remotest pseudo-arguments for why maybe their people-Slavs- could have been further west than records actually show and hide in obscure formulations etc..., something which I find simply sad, because it really hinders any full honest dialogue and in the end true re-conciliation among those different peoples...?

    Am not saying you belong to that group of course, just came to think of that experience somehow..
    Sorry long -and critical- post.

    Forgot to mention that in last comment (and that was socially stupid of me of course come to think of it):

    Your article is overall a good one, good to read informative articles with insider information from Germany, keep up the good work!"

    Replies: @Thomas Zaja

    Again, you are rattling away numbers that merely reflect identity of the times, which of course change when the rulers and borders change. Yes Germans were there before Slavs, but going back to 1,200 BC is somewhat extraneous to my mention of history since they recorded nothing in these early times. You are surely aware that the westward expansion of Slavs happened peacefully into virtually empty land, as attested by Procopius and Jordanes. The Germans left to settle the Roman territories of Lombardy, Gaul, Britain… your fellow Scandinavian Hakon Stang summarizes this well in his tome “The naming of Russia.”

    I will reiterate that I referred to ancestry, i.e. blood, not identity which for me is ink on paper. I suppose I could have written Slavic instead of Polish for Merz, but that would not work with my Merkel reference. Why quibble when this is a color commentary piece not an anthropology essay. You still didn’t comment on Merz’s portrait, nor have you explained why there is no Germanic endonym for Wroclaw. The region of “Schleisen” that you mention also isn’t Germanic by etymology, rather probably an old European hydronym. Although “slza, слеза” means dew, waterdrop or teardrop in Slavic tongues.

    Of course these border areas are going to have mixed populations, but as to the proportions you cannot have much confidence from the fact that the four largest cities in East Germany have Slavic etymologies. Not to mention all of the smaller towns whose names end with -itz or -ow. As for Konigsberg, the older settlement name is the Prussian (Balto-Slavonic) “Tvangsta.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    @Thomas Zaja

    This question was settled, scientifically, back in 2023 by the geneticists Messrs Ralph and Coop in a landmark paper.

    Apparently, a 'random German' (of course, in this day and age this really means a person whose roots in Germany go back to at least 1900), is a closer genetic relative of a 'random Pole' than he is to another 'random German'.